From guitronics at comcast.net  Thu Dec  1 02:20:38 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:20:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
In-Reply-To: <003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net><004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>	<438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>
	<003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <438ECE76.2090905@comcast.net>

I apologize to the group for including my "Info. Card" or whatever it is 
called....I done burnt HAL's rear with my 'uppityness'....but that's 
OK.I think he either wanted a showdown, or misunderstood me.

I've been on the list for several months, but didn't feel the need to 
chime in until that happened. No offense was ever my intention,yet I do 
want to voice my opinion on some things from time to time.I enjoy the 
discourse and range of opinions.

I learned to reply at the top, and not the bottom of a posting.
I sometimes get on here after working (10+ hours, 5PM start)
and make (IMHO) small mistakes.

I enjoy the list(s),and am particularly interested in the "Listeroids" 
and "Changfa's" that George sells on his website.

After looking at his site (which is a no-no to post)?  I did a Google 
search and kept seeing the SEL  mentioned, so that's how  I became aware 
of ya's.       
                  sincerely, Michael


From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Dec  1 04:18:01 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:18:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
Russell

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 05:42:01 2005
From: fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk (Fred)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:42:01 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001901c5f67d$028f2e50$0200a8c0@athlon64>

Hello Russell
One place is: 
http://www.kelsey-books.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cat=Stationary_Engines&item=STE02

Fred

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines


> G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
> Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
> Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
> Russell
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec  1 05:47:54 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:47:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
Message-ID: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>

What is Kwik-Poly and what is it used for?

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> Hola, amigos!
> I just got off the phone with Dale Portell.  He's the guy who manufactures
> Kwik-Poly to the same specifications using the same suppliers that Harold used.
> He seems like a nice guy and a gentleman.  AND... his stuff resists gasoline
> just like the Kwik-Poly from years ago.  At least that's what I've been told.  
> 
> Dale welcomes orders from antique engine enthusiasts.  You can call him
> directly.  
> 
> Dale Portell
> 4123 Chartley Drive 
> Bridgeton , MO  63044 
> 
> (314) 344-8881     
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec  1 05:48:37 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:48:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c5f67d$ef867b00$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines


> G'day all, the A to Z of british stationary engines the the pommies 
> Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
> Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
> Russell Gilbert

Hi Russell, Be brave like me and pay for the hardback book covering both editions!
See http://www.stationary-engine-magazine.co.uk/cgi-bin/purchase.cgi?s=books
I don't know what the postage is for transportation to Australia.
I know years ago "Steal a loaf" & it was free. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 06:32:01 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:01 EST
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
Message-ID: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>

Hi List,
Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you 
know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the inter 
pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits onto a 
slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the 
sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing metal 
plate touches the rotor.
Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and 
needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I was 
still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the 
replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house personnel where I 
buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced along 
with the pads.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 07:13:02 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:13:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
References: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <002601c5f689$b9a26fb0$b24f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Tom,

Kwik Poly is the best stuff going for sealing leaky gas tanks.  It has not 
been made for several years which is why all of the talk about it.  An 
excellent product.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mullt at att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik-Poly


What is Kwik-Poly and what is it used for?

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> Hola, amigos!
> I just got off the phone with Dale Portell.  He's the guy who manufactures
> Kwik-Poly to the same specifications using the same suppliers that Harold 
> used.
> He seems like a nice guy and a gentleman.  AND... his stuff resists 
> gasoline
> just like the Kwik-Poly from years ago.  At least that's what I've been 
> told.
>
> Dale welcomes orders from antique engine enthusiasts.  You can call him
> directly.
>
> Dale Portell
> 4123 Chartley Drive
> Bridgeton , MO  63044
>
> (314) 344-8881
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec  1 07:36:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:36:31 -0700
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
References: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1AEBAF5E97021AD454B83BB4D0@phx.gbl>

That sounds about right Francis.  I always thot the squeakers worked just 
fine.

Take Care,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information


> Hi List,
> Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you
> know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the 
> inter
> pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits 
> onto a
> slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the
> sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing 
> metal
> plate touches the rotor.
> Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and
> needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I 
> was
> still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the
> replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house 
> personnel where I
> buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced 
> along
> with the pads.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec  1 07:40:54 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:40:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <04fa01c5f68d$9f2a2c50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> What is Kwik-Poly and what is it used for?

Hi Tom,
KP is an epoxy type product that comes in pint, quart, half, and gallon sizes.
It's consistency is that of water, so it flows very easily.  It's set up time is
about five minutes.  

The use which is of primary interest to old engine restorers is for tank repair.
Let's say you have a tank that has a couple tiny pin hole leaks.  Repairing
individual leaks is usually impractical, because if there are pin holes that you
see, there are probably plenty of other areas that are "almost" pin holes.

To repair, you clean out most of the big chunks of debris in the tank with
gravel, acetone, or whatever.  If there are tiny pinholes, cover them with tape.
Big holes might be repaired with JB Weld or some other means.  Threaded
fittings, inlets, outlets are plugged up.  

Mix up an amount of KP, pour it in the tank, and slosh it around for a few
minutes.  Pour out the residual, walk away.  I like to do two coats, and if the
metal is thin, rather than pour out the residual, let it settle on the thin
side.  

An added benefit is now the entire interior of the tank is coated in KP.
Neither fuel nor water come into contact with the metal, so it should last a
long, long time.  Also, if the inside of the tank had loose bits of rust,
they'll now be locked in place and prevented from entering your fuel system.

Bottom line:  KP is superior to those "solvent based" fuel tank restoration
products.


Another use for KP that I've found amazing is for wood restoration.  We have a
cider press with original wood that had been left out for many years.  The
end-grain of the wood was crumbly and weak, and there were some large splits.
Replacement of the beautiful original wood would have been a shame.  I taped up
the sides of the wood for about six inches from the end, covering the spilts.
Then I poured KP down into the end grain as long as the wood continued to soak
it up.  After it set up and hardened, the wood is like a rock.  

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec  1 07:43:19 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:43:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>

  G'day all..little chilly here;

  Thot I'd post this to the SEL and maybe get more ideas.

  Off and on I get requests from someone looking for a casting.  Lately it's 
a belt tensioner for a Galloway Sawing Outfit.  Now I'm more than willing to 
remove this and send it to Rowlands so he can use it for a 
pattern/mold..whatever.  But isn't there an easier way???

  Could I make a mold out of say expanding type foam insulation and send it 
to you Rick???


  Seems like this would be a good idea and terrifically reduce the shipping 
costs plus I'd keep my iron.


  Any comments??

  RickinMt. 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec  1 07:40:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:40:44 -0500
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
Message-ID: <20051201.104101.820.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Whatever happened to the "Squeakers"  technology?

They are just a bent piece of metal that makes contact with the rotor
when the pads wear to far.

When that happens, they would squeak telling you it's time to replace.

I know my Merk doesn't have them but I wish it would.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec  1 09:01:29 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:01:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Calendar Tractor Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512011158270.68524@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I have a question for those of you who have one of the Portland calendars
and who are knowlegable about tractors.

What is that funky, streamlined blue tractor on the December page?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 10:40:55 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:40:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet? 
Message-ID: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I do not have my book with me right now but where is
the swap meet in Florida in January? Is it Avon Park
or Zolfo Springs?

Thanks, Jim

Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


	
		
__________________________________ 
Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 
http://mail.yahoo.com


From ottawa at pa.net  Thu Dec  1 11:16:35 2005
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:16:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet?
References: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <066901c5f6ab$bffa4e60$11753b42@HONDESKTOP>

That is at Avon Park.....Helen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Yost 
  To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:40 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet?


  I do not have my book with me right now but where is
  the swap meet in Florida in January? Is it Avon Park
  or Zolfo Springs?

  Thanks, Jim

  Jim and Janna Yost
  Utica, Ohio
  USA
  jnyost at yahoo.com






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Dec  1 11:50:43 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:50:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <200512011700.jB1H035Q020982@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051201201450.00a7c118@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hello List,

         I have just returned from a trip and was very shocked and saddened 
to hear of John's passing. I never met him personally but we did have a 
fair amount of "off list" contact.
         He was always so ready to help with information - a friend 
recently restored 3 "M's" and I regularly asked John for information which 
was always gladly and promptly given.
         He also often went out of his way to provide me with artwork for 
engine logo's and gave me detailed pictures with measurements for the IHC 
spec. plates which I now reproduce.
         John was also always ready to praise someone's work and for a 
"newbie" like me this was very encouraging.
         Also, as a "newbie" one tends to "rate" list members on their 
input and knowledge - John was high in my "Top 10".
         His web pages were excellent and I sincerely hope that they will 
remain in place as a tribute to him.
         I do not know his family and also do not know if they read these 
lists but my sympathy goes out to them - they (and us) really have lost 
someone special.
         R.I.P. John - you will be missed.



Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 11:56:03 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:56:03 EST
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
Message-ID: <21e.45a1ae7.30c0af53@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:17:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jlb94 at juno.com writes:

Whatever  happened to the "Squeakers"  technology?


I forgot to mention that the outer brake pad has one as the inner  brake has 
the electronic sensor mounted.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Dec  1 15:09:58 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:09:58 -0800
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1AEBAF5E97021AD454B83BB4D0@phx.gbl>
References: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051201150757.01bd4100@mail.pennswoods.net>

Rick that is why they replaced them with some thing more expensive. The 
auto industry can't let any thing that works and is not expensive remain.
R Fink
PA







At 08:36 AM 12/1/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>That sounds about right Francis.  I always thot the squeakers worked just
>fine.
>
>Take Care,
>RickinMt.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:32 AM
>Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
>
>
> > Hi List,
> > Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you
> > know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the
> > inter
> > pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits
> > onto a
> > slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the
> > sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing
> > metal
> > plate touches the rotor.
> > Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and
> > needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I
> > was
> > still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the
> > replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house
> > personnel where I
> > buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced
> > along
> > with the pads.
> >
> > Francis  Maciel
> > Santa Maria, CA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 14:12:38 2005
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:12:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>

Hi Russell,
Try Greg Mc Neice at Rally Badges thats where I got my books from..
Brian in Melbourne.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines


> G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
> Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
> Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
> Russell
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  1 13:51:08 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:51:08 -0500
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20051201150757.01bd4100@mail.pennswoods.net>
References: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>
	<4.2.0.58.20051201150757.01bd4100@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201164433.0ccbb4a8@mail.alltel.net>

Hell, the sensors do NOT have to be expensive. My MB '79, '84 and '86 had 
them on the front pads. They cost about $1.40 each when the time came to 
replace the pads. All they did is ground in order to complete the circuit 
when the pads needed to be replaced. It's about time that other car 
manufacturers came into the 20th century!
         Dave
PS, Next lets talk about the wipers on the headlights. I laughed like hell 
when I first bought that MB--but after driving it for one winter I realized 
just how good those MB engineers were!

At 06:09 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote:
>Rick that is why they replaced them with some thing more expensive. The 
>auto industry can't let any thing that works and is not expensive remain.
>R Fink
>PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 08:36 AM 12/1/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>>That sounds about right Francis.  I always thot the squeakers worked just
>>fine.
>>
>>Take Care,
>>RickinMt.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:32 AM
>>Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
>>
>>
>> > Hi List,
>> > Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you
>> > know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the
>> > inter
>> > pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits
>> > onto a
>> > slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the
>> > sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing
>> > metal
>> > plate touches the rotor.
>> > Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and
>> > needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I
>> > was
>> > still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the
>> > replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house
>> > personnel where I
>> > buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced
>> > along
>> > with the pads.
>> >
>> > Francis  Maciel
>> > Santa Maria, CA
>> >
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  1 12:44:23 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:44:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet? 
In-Reply-To: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201153007.0cc38480@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jim,
         Pioneer Park Days is held each year at Zolfo Springs. Last year 
(ie 2005) the dates were March 2-6. Avon Park is about 19 miles west of 
Zolfo Springs. I know of no show or swap meet in Avon Park--and there is no 
such listing in either the 2004 or 2005 Show Directory. The FL Flywheelers 
has one of their shows in Ft. Meade FL the week before the Zolfo show. 
(Those dates were Feb 24-27 last year--ie 2005.) I just talked to the 
people at Zolfo and Pioneer Park Days in March 2006 will be March 1-5.
         Dave

At 01:40 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote:
>I do not have my book with me right now but where is
>the swap meet in Florida in January? Is it Avon Park
>or Zolfo Springs?
>
>Thanks, Jim
>
>Jim and Janna Yost
>Utica, Ohio
>USA
>jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Dec  1 15:25:32 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor
	Technology/Information
Message-ID: <4gvsq4$1hspk8q@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>


> jlb94 at juno.com writes:
> 
> Whatever  happened to the "Squeakers"  technology?
> 
> 
> I forgot to mention that the outer brake pad has one as the inner  brake has 
> the electronic sensor mounted.  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
> 
Sounds like a BMW, Bring Money Withya.
J.B. Castagnos


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Dec  1 15:48:48 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:48:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>

Rick,

I suppose that you could use urethane, make a mold then use it to make an 
exact replica of the part out of urethane and send me that replica.  However 
that stuff is quite expensive and some pieces aren't easy to replicate in 
that way.

One other thing to consider is that I would be working from a second 
generation.  Ever make a photocopy of a photocopy?  As you copy copies the 
quality of the image deteriorates.  Same principle applies to castings.  The 
best quality casting will always be the one made from a well built pattern. 
Now in many cases I can make castings from castings but those pieces are 
always a bit inferior in quality from the original. The further away I get 
from the pattern the worse the quality is going to be.

I've never lost a customer's part and I've never returned the parts in worse 
condition than they were sent to me.  If you send more pieces and pack them 
with as much care as that first group of castings and ask for delivery 
confirmation we won't have any problems.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands


>  G'day all..little chilly here;
>
>  Thot I'd post this to the SEL and maybe get more ideas.
>
>  Off and on I get requests from someone looking for a casting.  Lately 
> it's a belt tensioner for a Galloway Sawing Outfit.  Now I'm more than 
> willing to remove this and send it to Rowlands so he can use it for a 
> pattern/mold..whatever.  But isn't there an easier way???
>
>  Could I make a mold out of say expanding type foam insulation and send it 
> to you Rick???
>
>
>  Seems like this would be a good idea and terrifically reduce the shipping 
> costs plus I'd keep my iron.
>
>
>  Any comments??
>
>  RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oldengin at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:54:02 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:54:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
Message-ID: <438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>

Gday
    After a nice thread about models on Jim's list and after some 
discussion on salesmen samples here I now have some questions. What size 
makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? 
Can any of us tell the difference? Why are these not looked at as bering 
a "MODEL"? after all they are just toys?  I have seen old models that 
are rough enough that I could have maybe been convinced that they where 
Salesmen samples. Any one else? Let me hear what you think and why  you 
agree or disagree. And what about size? when is a model no longer a 
model? I have an Ideal with 10 inch flywheels and it is real, yet I 
build models with 10 inch flywheels and I have a Flywheel off of a 1 1/2 
"M" that is going onto a MODEL. Is this wrong Curt seen the little 
Brunner air compressor that has been changed into a model engin and if 
you did not know better you would think it to be a salesman sample of an 
engin that did not cut the mustard?


-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec  1 17:05:57 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:05:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
	<438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>

Leroy,
    I generally think of a "model" as a reproduced, scaled version of an 
original engine.  The scale could be 1/4, 1/2 or even full.  In my book, 
a model would be as accurate as possible including detail.  A salesman 
sample would probably fit my definition of a model.  However, a 
salesman's sample would be different in that it would have been 
constructed by the original engine manufacturer (the Callahan salesman 
sample that was discussed was actually made by the WP Callahan Co.).  I 
made a gent mad at a show last year.  He had one of the Emory Campbell 
built Springfields (a full scale reproduction of the 1 HP's).  I said 
"Oh, you have one of Emory's Springfield models".  His comment was "its 
not a model, its a real engine".  My comment then to him was, "you can 
call it an engine, but its not a real one".  He sulled up and didn't say 
anything else.  But, in my book, its a model.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Leroy wrote:

> Gday
>    After a nice thread about models on Jim's list and after some 
> discussion on salesmen samples here I now have some questions. What 
> size makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" 
> sample? Can any of us tell the difference? Why are these not looked at 
> as bering a "MODEL"? after all they are just toys?  I have seen old 
> models that are rough enough that I could have maybe been convinced 
> that they where Salesmen samples. Any one else? Let me hear what you 
> think and why  you agree or disagree. And what about size? when is a 
> model no longer a model? I have an Ideal with 10 inch flywheels and it 
> is real, yet I build models with 10 inch flywheels and I have a 
> Flywheel off of a 1 1/2 "M" that is going onto a MODEL. Is this wrong 
> Curt seen the little Brunner air compressor that has been changed into 
> a model engin and if you did not know better you would think it to be 
> a salesman sample of an engin that did not cut the mustard?
>
>




From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 19:12:08 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:12:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20051202031208.27733.qmail@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Leroy

I would say that Models are reproductions, usually to a scale smaller than the Full Size object,
be it engine or anything else.

The degree of fidelity to the original is up to the builder, but modern tendency is for the purist
to have everything in exact reduced scale to the Full Size, and that includes things like the size
of nuts and bolt heads.  And also all parts made from the same materials as the original.

In days of yore, as long as the model looked somewhat like the full size object, then it was
considered to be 'Good Enough'.  Usually this was because of the limited equipment and facilities
of the model builder.  True Scale was the exception rather than the rule, so a lot of the 'blobs
and gadgets' were not deemed to be necessary.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Leroy  wrote:

What size 
> makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? 
> Can any of us tell the difference? 


		
___________________________________________________________ 
WIN ONE OF THREE YAHOO! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/competitions/vespa.html


From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 19:52:02 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:52:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <86.351af938.30c11ee2@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk writes:


> --- Leroy  wrote:
> 
> What size 
> > makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? 
> > Can any of us tell the difference? 
> 
> 

My Ginger said I was a "Model husband" .......till I found out a model is "a 
small imitation of the real thing"!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  1 17:44:39 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:44:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
	<438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net> <438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201202400.0cd0ddd8@mail.alltel.net>


>   His comment was "its not a model, its a real engine".  My comment then 
> to him was, "you can call it an engine, but its not a real one".
>Tommy Turner

Hi Tommy,
         Are you saying that there is a metaphysical difference between the 
original and the after market version? Or is it that "real" (read that 
"reality") is in the mind of the beholder? If the latter, could it be that 
the item the man had was BOTH an engine and NOT an engine--an engine for 
him and NOT an engine for you? On the other hand, have you ever considered 
that the real/not real engine exists (and has a consciousness) and both you 
and the other man are simply figments of it's imagination? If so, it would 
be you and the other man who are not "real."
         Dave
PS, I'm sure that I'll think of other possibilities tonight and will try to 
straighten it all out tomorrow while on my way to NJ to pick up a Witte 
drag saw I recently bought on e-bay.
PPS, I sure hope the drag saw is REAL!
PPPS, If it's not real and I kill the seller (after bringing him to KY) 
because it's not real can we straighten all this out in your courtroom?
PPPPS, Since God made man first and then used him as prototype in order to 
make woman, does this mean that women are not real?
PPPPPS, So many questions, so few answers!
PPPPPPS, I sure hope that all this can be resolved before next show season. 
I'd hate to take an "unreal" item to a show next year!



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Dec  1 23:13:57 2005
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:13:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Calendar Tractor Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512011158270.68524@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20051202020601.00b64e60@pop3.accnorwalk.com>


>
>What is that funky, streamlined blue tractor on the December page?
Arnie,  that is a Ford prototype owned by Wayne Coffman of Tiffin, OH. It 
was designed by Ferdinand Porsche if I remember right. It has an opposed 
engine that remnds me of an early VW. Wayne purchased this tractor when 
they had the auction of surplus "stuff" at the Henry Ford museum several 
years ago. The tractor that is shown at the top of June is another one 
Wayne bought at the auction. It's now owned by my buddy, Rocky Fowler. 
Rocky hauled both of them to Portland for the Ford feature.


                                                                                      Doug 
Tallman
                                                                                      dtallman at accnorwalk.com 

                                                                                      VGTCOA 
Ohio Regional Director
                                                                                       Greenwich, 
OH USA



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 00:54:25 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:54:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Message from Ria
Message-ID: <43900BC1.2090609@insulate.co.uk>

Hi All

I received a message from Ria and family last night which I'm sure she'd 
want me to pass on to you:

*********

We would like to thank you, as wel as all the listmembers who joined in, 
for the beautiful flowers.
We appreciate all the attention and simpaty. It's so heartwarming to 
read that so many people learned from his deep knowledge of
engines and all kinds of things mechanical.
Tomorrow will be a day of great sadness when we have to say goodbye for 
the very last time...

Kind regards,

Ria
Simone, Klaas & Sten
Jeroen, Esther


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec  2 04:52:54 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:52:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201202400.0cd0ddd8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>	<438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
	<438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051201202400.0cd0ddd8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <439043A6.4020200@scrtc.com>

Dave,

    Not sure if I'm real or not.  Based on some of the comments that 
have been said about me here at the courthouse, its questionable 
(although I think I'm real as I've had a few tell me "you're a 
real....*&$%#").  So, based on that, I think I would fall in the real 
category.  As for old iron, its not a "real" antique as it appeared 
there was an effort to pass it off as such.  Now the question could 
arise of whether or not I'm a real antique or not.  I think not but my 
wife more and more thinks so....... Dave, are you a real "antique"?  (I 
understand that Viagra has done somewhat of a "restoration" on some.....).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

>
>>   His comment was "its not a model, its a real engine".  My comment 
>> then to him was, "you can call it an engine, but its not a real one".
>> Tommy Turner
>
>
> Hi Tommy,
>         Are you saying that there is a metaphysical difference between 
> the original and the after market version? Or is it that "real" (read 
> that "reality") is in the mind of the beholder? If the latter, could 
> it be that the item the man had was BOTH an engine and NOT an 
> engine--an engine for him and NOT an engine for you? On the other 
> hand, have you ever considered that the real/not real engine exists 
> (and has a consciousness) and both you and the other man are simply 
> figments of it's imagination? If so, it would be you and the other man 
> who are not "real."
>         Dave
> PS, I'm sure that I'll think of other possibilities tonight and will 
> try to straighten it all out tomorrow while on my way to NJ to pick up 
> a Witte drag saw I recently bought on e-bay.
> PPS, I sure hope the drag saw is REAL!
> PPPS, If it's not real and I kill the seller (after bringing him to 
> KY) because it's not real can we straighten all this out in your 
> courtroom?
> PPPPS, Since God made man first and then used him as prototype in 
> order to make woman, does this mean that women are not real?
> PPPPPS, So many questions, so few answers!
> PPPPPPS, I sure hope that all this can be resolved before next show 
> season. I'd hate to take an "unreal" item to a show next year!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 05:08:24 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:08:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <24b.2b55288.30c1a148@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:24:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
oldengin at verizon.net writes:

<< what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? >>
Leroy,

Not being an expert of any kind but rather looking and studying the Callahan 
"salesman's sample" a number of times it appeared that everything was scaled 
down including such things as the  mag/chain drive/oiler.  It was a fascinating 
great piece of workmanship!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec  2 05:49:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:49:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV3BF87FF8A9045BDD47C8CBB4C0@phx.gbl>




>
> I've never lost a customer's part and I've never returned the parts in 
> worse
> condition than they were sent to me.  If you send more pieces and pack 
> them
> with as much care as that first group of castings and ask for delivery
> confirmation we won't have any problems.


  That's the only way I can see to do it, unless they were a friend/list 
member.

  Thanks for the comeback Rick


  RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec  2 06:55:34 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:55:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
In-Reply-To: <001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>

Rick S.,
I'd like to add my experience with the urethanes. When I was making the 
Stickney patterns I decided to use the urethane product to make the 
corebox for the fuel site gage. I made the wooden male part with all the 
correct drafts and slicked it up smooth as glass with primer surfacer 
and lots of sanding.
Per the urethanes instructions I put on 3 coats of carnoba wax and 
sprayed the special release agent on the part too.
Then I loaded the part in the core box and poured the 2 part urethane 
in. It set up just as it was supposed too.
However, getting the male part back out proved a hell of a challenge! I 
screwed in lags and used a slide hammer on it in several places. No go. 
Eventually I had to break the wood male form out of the urethane. It 
fought me the entire way and when I was done I had nothing but a pile of 
splinters on the floor. Thank goodness the resulting female core box 
turned out perfect with no blemishes so it all worked out.

Long story I know, but that is my experience with urethane. This was a 
super slick finish and it still didn't release.

Here is a belt tensioner pattern and follow board for the IHC Famous 
sawrig. Whip up a pattern of your belt tensioner in wood and you'll be 
able to make all the new ones you and your buddies want. It's really not 
bad one you get into it. Use something soft like poplar or mahogany and 
you'll have an easy job.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Patterns/8Famous/Fork2.htm

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I suppose that you could use urethane, make a mold then use it to make 
> an exact replica of the part out of urethane and send me that 
> replica.  However that stuff is quite expensive and some pieces aren't 
> easy to replicate in that way.
>
> One other thing to consider is that I would be working from a second 
> generation.  Ever make a photocopy of a photocopy?  As you copy copies 
> the quality of the image deteriorates.  Same principle applies to 
> castings.  The best quality casting will always be the one made from a 
> well built pattern. Now in many cases I can make castings from 
> castings but those pieces are always a bit inferior in quality from 
> the original. The further away I get from the pattern the worse the 
> quality is going to be.
>
> I've never lost a customer's part and I've never returned the parts in 
> worse condition than they were sent to me.  If you send more pieces 
> and pack them with as much care as that first group of castings and 
> ask for delivery confirmation we won't have any problems.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" 
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:43 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
>
>
>>  G'day all..little chilly here;
>>
>>  Thot I'd post this to the SEL and maybe get more ideas.
>>
>>  Off and on I get requests from someone looking for a casting.  
>> Lately it's a belt tensioner for a Galloway Sawing Outfit.  Now I'm 
>> more than willing to remove this and send it to Rowlands so he can 
>> use it for a pattern/mold..whatever.  But isn't there an easier way???
>>
>>  Could I make a mold out of say expanding type foam insulation and 
>> send it to you Rick???
>>
>>
>>  Seems like this would be a good idea and terrifically reduce the 
>> shipping costs plus I'd keep my iron.
>>
>>
>>  Any comments??
>>
>>  RickinMt. _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec  2 08:00:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:00:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl><001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV61476A51ED9D48D596CC2BB4C0@phx.gbl>




>
> Here is a belt tensioner pattern and follow board for the IHC Famous
> sawrig. Whip up a pattern of your belt tensioner in wood and you'll be
> able to make all the new ones you and your buddies want. It's really not
> bad one you get into it. Use something soft like poplar or mahogany and
> you'll have an easy job.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Patterns/8Famous/Fork2.htm
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


  You do GOOD work, Curt.  Don't think I have the patience.  Having the 
right tools sure helps.

  As far as my belt tensioner goes, that subject is on that other list and 
he hasn't replied.

  The New Way is coming also fine, ready for the top coat of paint.  This 
engine is sure an education for me.  Closed, wet, crankcase, the cc vent 
(for lack of a better word), goes thru a checkvalve and then up to lube the 
fan shaft.  Some say to put an oiler up there also, which I'll do if I need 
to.

  This engine has 5 rings with one way below the wrist pin.  I wonder if 
that ring is to prevent excessive blow by and thus increased cc pressure.

  Ah yes..what fun it is...even at 5 above zero

  Well headed for the shed..thanks much


RickinMt. 


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 04:03:34 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:03:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
References: <BAY109-DAV2166343D27CDC803FE53E1BB480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003a01c5f738$6b9fa120$4672a418@pengy>

Rickinmt,

What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the finger 
back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.

Rickinoh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


>  Howdy all;
>
>  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of 
> whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat looking 
> fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the 
> blade is riveted to.
>
> Pix at:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
>
> Thanks gang
> RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 10:53:19 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:53:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet? 
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201153007.0cc38480@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051202185319.58441.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

SEL,

Thanks to all that responded on and off list. Any one
going to the swap meet? This was on the
http://www.floridaflywheelers.org site.
 

 SWAP MEET 
Jan. 11-15, 2006 
  19th Annual Old Engine
  and Tractor show with 
  special swap meet
Gates open: 8AM-5PM
Days open: Wed - Sun

Thanks, Jim

> 




Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


		
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 14:40:19 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:40:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<BAY109-DAV61476A51ED9D48D596CC2BB4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c5f791$5fb2f750$4672a418@pengy>

Hey Curt when you sending me that belt tensioner pattern?  Looks like 
something I could really sink my teeth into!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for Rowlands


>
>
>
>>
>> Here is a belt tensioner pattern and follow board for the IHC Famous
>> sawrig. Whip up a pattern of your belt tensioner in wood and you'll be
>> able to make all the new ones you and your buddies want. It's really not
>> bad one you get into it. Use something soft like poplar or mahogany and
>> you'll have an easy job.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Patterns/8Famous/Fork2.htm
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>  You do GOOD work, Curt.  Don't think I have the patience.  Having the 
> right tools sure helps.
>
>  As far as my belt tensioner goes, that subject is on that other list and 
> he hasn't replied.
>
>  The New Way is coming also fine, ready for the top coat of paint.  This 
> engine is sure an education for me.  Closed, wet, crankcase, the cc vent 
> (for lack of a better word), goes thru a checkvalve and then up to lube 
> the fan shaft.  Some say to put an oiler up there also, which I'll do if I 
> need to.
>
>  This engine has 5 rings with one way below the wrist pin.  I wonder if 
> that ring is to prevent excessive blow by and thus increased cc pressure.
>
>  Ah yes..what fun it is...even at 5 above zero
>
>  Well headed for the shed..thanks much
>
>
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 15:22:59 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>

A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling foundry 
operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at work 
using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod Engine 
building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.

We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' x 
28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at 
least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 480VAC 
3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been 
cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an 
overhead service to the building.

I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly 
acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction 
furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and 
workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the 
capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of 
carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum. 
The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the 
largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.

I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been 
acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set 
up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to 
get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has 
quite a collection of oilfield engines.

Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 pound 
induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work. 
http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2

A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me the 
idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the 
Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go 
toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which 
we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from 
New York state.
http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec  2 15:36:02 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:36:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <20051202.153603.1380.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Well Wink, you are smaller than you used to be.  But very real.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:52:02 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
> 
> My Ginger said I was a "Model husband" .......till I found out a 
> model is "a 
> small imitation of the real thing"!


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 16:04:40 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <20051202.153603.1380.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20051203000440.45995.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

You may be interested to know that I once starred in an X-rated movie....Shallow Throat.
  JM

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:  Well Wink, you are smaller than you used to be.  But very real.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:52:02 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
> 
> My Ginger said I was a "Model husband" .......till I found out a 
> model is "a 
> small imitation of the real thing"!
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Dec  2 17:40:04 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:40:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <4e53tr$1efa8tq@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net>


I would call the Springfield a copy, it's certainly real but not an original. A copy of the Mona Lisa is nice but not worth what the original is. Copy's of old manuals and literature are nice to have but not as valuable as the original. If it's being passed as an original then it's a counterfit, much like counterfit money.
J.B. Castagnos


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Fri Dec  2 21:42:52 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (jswaite)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:42:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 1
References: <200512011700.jB1H035Q020982@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00d801c5f7cc$6743c1d0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>


Subject: Fwd: A Christmas poem

'Twas the night before Christmas,
And Santa's a wreck...
How to live in a world
That's "Politically Correct"?

His workers no longer
Would answer to "Elves",
"Vertically Challenged",
They're calling themselves.

And labour conditions
At the North Pole,
Were alleged by their union
To stifle the soul!

Four reindeer had vanished,
(Without much propriety),
Released to the wilds
By the Humane Society.

The runners had been
Removed from the sleigh,
The ruts were termed "Dangerous!"
By the Australian E.P.A.

And people had started
To call up the cops,
When they heard sleigh noises
Upon their rooftops.

Second hand pipe smoke
Had Santa's staff frightened,
His fur-trimmed red suit
Was called "Unenlightened".

And as for the gifts,
Why he'd never had the notion,
That him making a choice,
Could cause such commotion!

Nothing of leather,
Nothing of fur,
Which meant nothing for him'
And nothing for her!

Nothing that might be
Construed to pollute;
Nothing to aim,
And nothing to shoot.

Nothing that clamoured,
Or made a loud noise;
Nothing for just girls,
Or nothing just for boys.

Nothing that claimed
To be gender-specific;
Nothing that's war-like,
Or deemed non-pacific.

No candy or sweets,
They are bad for the tooth;
Nothing that seemed
To embellish the truth.

No baseball, no football,
Someone could get hurt!
Besides, playing sports
Exposed kids to dirt.

So Santa just stood there,
Dishevelled, perplexed,
He could not figure out
Just what to do next.

He tried to be merry,
He tried to be gay,
But you've got to be careful
With "That Word" today!

His sack was quite empty,
And limp to the ground,
Nothing fully acceptable
Was there to be found.

Something special was needed,
A gift that he might,
Give to all, without angering
The Left or the Right.

So here is that gift,
It's price beyond worth:
"May you and your loved ones
Enjoy Peace on Earth!"




Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Fri Dec  2 11:32:03 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:32:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Message from Ria
References: <43900BC1.2090609@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002301c5f777$127f51f0$3775833e@amd>

Hi all,

I'm just back from John's funeral.
It was good to see how many people were there to say goodbey.
There were so many people that there weren't even enough chairs.
I saw the flowers from SEL and old-engine list. 
Right now I have no words left.
It was a sad day......

Harry,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] Message from Ria


> Hi All
> 
> I received a message from Ria and family last night which I'm sure she'd 
> want me to pass on to you:
> 
> *********
> 
> We would like to thank you, as wel as all the listmembers who joined in, 
> for the beautiful flowers.
> We appreciate all the attention and simpaty. It's so heartwarming to 
> read that so many people learned from his deep knowledge of
> engines and all kinds of things mechanical.
> Tomorrow will be a day of great sadness when we have to say goodbye for 
> the very last time...
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ria
> Simone, Klaas & Sten
> Jeroen, Esther
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 07:23:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:23:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
References: <BAY109-DAV2166343D27CDC803FE53E1BB480@phx.gbl>
	<003a01c5f738$6b9fa120$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17BC98551DE252D067A5C4BB4F0@phx.gbl>

I haven't tried to straighten it yet Rick.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


> Rickinmt,
>
> What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the finger
> back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.
>
> Rickinoh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
>
> >  Howdy all;
> >
> >  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of
> > whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat 
> > looking
> > fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the
> > blade is riveted to.
> >
> > Pix at:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
> >
> > Thanks gang
> > RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 08:42:40 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:42:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <001201c5f828$93fae1c0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Rick,

A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and 
pour steel and iron?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling foundry
operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at work
using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod Engine
building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.

We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' x
28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 480VAC
3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
overhead service to the building.

I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.

I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
quite a collection of oilfield engines.

Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 pound
induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2

A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me the
idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
New York state.
http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oiseming at moscow.com  Sat Dec  3 08:43:13 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:43:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV17BC98551DE252D067A5C4BB4F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200512031643.jB3GhJMY097469@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Rick, some iron castings I got for building a hot air engine were badly
warped right out of the foundry.  I straightened them by heating them
red-hot, then clamping them to a fire brick.  

I'm sure you could do the same with yours.  Remember, not all castings are
iron; some are steel.  If your part was bent cold, I seriously doubt it is
cast iron.  I've never known it to bend significantly without breaking.  

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:24 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast

I haven't tried to straighten it yet Rick.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


> Rickinmt,
>
> What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the finger
> back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.
>
> Rickinoh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
>
> >  Howdy all;
> >
> >  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of
> > whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat 
> > looking
> > fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the
> > blade is riveted to.
> >
> > Pix at:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
> >
> > Thanks gang
> > RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 09:04:03 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:04:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
References: <200512031643.jB3GhJMY097469@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1855300494C94605E547FABB4F0@phx.gbl>

Ok, thanks Orrin.  I thought I'd better ask first as I've had the experience 
with several types of metal where one only gets "One Bend," and then the 
sinking feeling sets in.  I think I can get that small area red hot with a 
propane torch.

  Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


> Rick, some iron castings I got for building a hot air engine were badly
> warped right out of the foundry.  I straightened them by heating them
> red-hot, then clamping them to a fire brick.
>
> I'm sure you could do the same with yours.  Remember, not all castings are
> iron; some are steel.  If your part was bent cold, I seriously doubt it is
> cast iron.  I've never known it to bend significantly without breaking.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:24 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
> I haven't tried to straighten it yet Rick.
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
>
> > Rickinmt,
> >
> > What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the 
> > finger
> > back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.
> >
> > Rickinoh
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
> >
> >
> > >  Howdy all;
> > >
> > >  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of
> > > whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat
> > > looking
> > > fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what 
> > > the
> > > blade is riveted to.
> > >
> > > Pix at:
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
> > >
> > > Thanks gang
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From dotto at velocitus.net  Sat Dec  3 09:07:28 2005
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:07:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <001801c5f82c$0d829bc0$0200a8c0@DD1BF421>

Rick,

That building has a lot of class, looks like with a little work it will
make a nice foundry.

I have a couple of small rocker arm castings I will need to have cast.
The brass reproductions that I have are really lousy and I'm not too
fired up about using them. I'm going to attempt to make patterns for
them; we'll see how that goes.


Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Rowlands
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry

A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling
foundry 
operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at
work 
using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod
Engine 
building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.






From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Dec  3 10:30:35 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
	<001201c5f828$93fae1c0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <02ed01c5f837$a6de3f80$4672a418@pengy>

Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> Hi Rick,
>
> A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
> pour steel and iron?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
> A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
> foundry
> operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
> work
> using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
> Engine
> building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>
> We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' 
> x
> 28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
> least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
> 480VAC
> 3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
> cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
> overhead service to the building.
>
> I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
> acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
> furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
> workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
> capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
> carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
> The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
> largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>
> I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
> acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
> up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
> get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
> quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>
> Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
> pound
> induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>
> A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
> the
> idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
> Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
> toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
> we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
> New York state.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 10:58:57 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:58:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
	<001201c5f828$93fae1c0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
	<02ed01c5f837$a6de3f80$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <005801c5f83b$9d9e66d0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Thanks Rick, I appreciate the answer!
Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> Hi Rick,
>
> A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
> pour steel and iron?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
> A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling
> foundry
> operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at
> work
> using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod
> Engine
> building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>
> We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25'
> x
> 28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
> least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had
> 480VAC
> 3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
> cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
> overhead service to the building.
>
> I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
> acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
> furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
> workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
> capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
> carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
> The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
> largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>
> I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
> acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
> up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
> get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
> quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>
> Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300
> pound
> induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>
> A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me
> the
> idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
> Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
> toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
> we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
> New York state.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

_______________________________________________
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 12:18:49 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:18:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
Message-ID: <243.2ca3d6b.30c357a9@aol.com>

Rick, what are the vats made from, so they don't melt with the  iron ?
 
Thanks, Bill Miller


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  3 12:36:04 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:36:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <02ed01c5f837$a6de3f80$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F19AF256113ED14B5405586954F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick, Can you explain how an induction furnace works? Is that big coil 
heated with electricity? Thanks, Steve


>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
>
>Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>>Hi Rick,
>>
>>A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
>>pour steel and iron?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>>Hemet, CA
>>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>
>>
>>A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
>>foundry
>>operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
>>work
>>using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
>>Engine
>>building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>>
>>We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' 
>>x
>>28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
>>least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
>>480VAC
>>3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
>>cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
>>overhead service to the building.
>>
>>I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
>>acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
>>furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
>>workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
>>capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
>>carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
>>The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
>>largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>>
>>I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
>>acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
>>up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
>>get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
>>quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>>
>>Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
>>pound
>>induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
>>http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>>
>>A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
>>the
>>idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
>>Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
>>toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
>>we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
>>New York state.
>>http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>>
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Tod Engine Works
>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>>and nonferrous castings
>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>330-728-2799
>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec  3 13:25:06 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:25:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
In-Reply-To: <001901c5f67d$028f2e50$0200a8c0@athlon64>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051204082247.02684ab0@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day List, sorry to take a while to reply. Thanks for the tips on  finding 
the second half of the A to Z's. Just always seem to be out of stock here 
on Oz; well at least every time I try to get one. Will give the locals one 
more go and see.
Regards Russell

PS: Hey Brian, hows you tank!


At 01:42 PM 1/12/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello Russell
>One place is: 
>http://www.kelsey-books.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cat=Stationary_Engines&item=STE02
>
>Fred
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:18 PM
>Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
>
>
>>G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
>>Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
>>Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
>>Russell
>>
>>Russell Gilbert
>>Sunny Sunraysia
>>russell at ncable.com.au
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec  3 15:49:02 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:49:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <04fa01c5f68d$9f2a2c50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>
	<04fa01c5f68d$9f2a2c50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203184634.04418148@mail.alltel.net>


>  I like to do two coats, and if the
>metal is thin, rather than pour out the residual, let it settle on the thin
>side.  Rob

Hi Rob, You may want to check with Dale, but I believe that TWO COATS are 
not good since QP will not adhere to itself.
         Dave 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Dec  3 17:45:15 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:45:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY108-F19AF256113ED14B5405586954F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <032601c5f874$5ff47c00$4672a418@pengy>

Picture an electrical transformer with the secondary leads (the wires that 
electricity come out of) wired together and short circuited.  Gets hot 
pretty quick right!  That is an induction furnace.  The primary coil is the 
copper coil which encircles the furnace crucible.  The secondary windings is 
the metal that you want to melt.  As you put power to the coil the magnetic 
fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of times per 
second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth creates heat 
and continues to make heat until the metal melts.

The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through 
the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up to 
3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 O3

The advantage of induction melting over any other form of melting is that 
there are no products of combustion to contaminate the metal.  So what you 
put in is what comes out, nothing more nothing less.  It is possible to very 
accurately produce certain grades of steel with an induction furnace.

The disadvantage of induction melting is the three big copper wires that 
come in from the road.  On my furnace the motor generator is driven by a 
motor which draws 93 amps at 480 volts.  My minimum electric bill will be 
$500 per month.  The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC 
60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> Hi Rick, Can you explain how an induction furnace works? Is that big coil 
> heated with electricity? Thanks, Steve
>
>
>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
>>
>>Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>
>>
>>>Hi Rick,
>>>
>>>A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
>>>pour steel and iron?
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>>>Hemet, CA
>>>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" 
>>><jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>>>Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>
>>>
>>>A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
>>>foundry
>>>operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
>>>work
>>>using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
>>>Engine
>>>building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>>>
>>>We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' 
>>>x
>>>28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
>>>least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
>>>480VAC
>>>3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
>>>cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
>>>overhead service to the building.
>>>
>>>I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a 
>>>newly
>>>acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
>>>furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
>>>workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
>>>capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
>>>carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and 
>>>aluminum.
>>>The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
>>>largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>>>
>>>I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
>>>acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could 
>>>set
>>>up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment 
>>>to
>>>get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
>>>quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>>>
>>>Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
>>>pound
>>>induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>>>
>>>A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
>>>the
>>>idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
>>>Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
>>>toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines 
>>>which
>>>we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
>>>New York state.
>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>>>
>>>Rick Rowlands
>>>Tod Engine Works
>>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>>>and nonferrous castings
>>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>>330-728-2799
>>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>>
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>>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Dec  3 19:31:37 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:31:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
Message-ID: <4ik1e3$1o1144@mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net>



>  As you put power to the coil the magnetic 
> fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of times per 
> second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth creates heat 
> and continues to make heat until the metal melts.
> 
> The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through 
> the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up to 
> 3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 O3

You could turn on an induction furnace, reach in and touch the bottom, but if you have a ring on your finger it will melt off before you get to the bottom.
J.B. Castagnos


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec  4 01:16:44 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
References: <20051202031208.27733.qmail@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c5f8b3$76c3e030$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I think "Cabin Fever" has hit and an argument is needed!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Everett" 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Dec  4 05:33:52 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:33:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <4ik1e3$1o1144@mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <038e01c5f8d7$5dfa77c0$4672a418@pengy>

On the 300 pounder at work if I put in a 200 pound solid chunk of steel and 
turn on the furnace I cannot touch it after about 10 seconds.  Gets that hot 
that quick.

Rick

PS I wonder how many people have had their rings melted off or at least burn 
into their fingers?   You would never think that would happen until it does.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


>
>
>>  As you put power to the coil the magnetic
>> fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of times 
>> per
>> second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth creates 
>> heat
>> and continues to make heat until the metal melts.
>>
>> The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through
>> the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up 
>> to
>> 3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 
>> O3
>
> You could turn on an induction furnace, reach in and touch the bottom, but 
> if you have a ring on your finger it will melt off before you get to the 
> bottom.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 06:59:12 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:59:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
Message-ID: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:

<< The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC 
 60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>


Rick,

There is much in the world for us to learn! 

 Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop, etc.  
Good luck with everything.

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Dec  4 07:36:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:36:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV20EEF009F29D41E221113DBB4E0@phx.gbl>

I'd like to see a video, once it's up and running, or possibly a DVD. 
Whatcha think Rick??

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>
> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>
>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop, 
> etc.
> Good luck with everything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Dec  4 08:09:32 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:09:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2 
clamps he has acquired. Although "Off Topic" can you please have a look. 
They are woodworking clamps by the look of things and, who knows, maybe 
they could be used when building an engine transporter and that would make 
it "On Topic" (Grin).
         Thanks - please look here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/clamps.htm>

I leave it to you to reply directly to me or to the list - your choice

Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec  4 08:38:02 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:38:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203184634.04418148@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Hi Rob, You may want to check with Dale, but I believe that 
> TWO COATS are  not good since QP will not adhere to itself.
>          Dave 

Hiya Dave,
Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because I do the
second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's still soft.
Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been KP'ed
and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?

Rob


 



From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sun Dec  4 08:50:22 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:50:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?
Message-ID: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>

I purchased a stover 3 hp model w recently, and it came with an item i am not sure about. It looks like an offset funnel maybe for fueling?  Its made out of copper and quite thin. Did the old engines come with accessories like that?   Tom

From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Dec  4 09:01:48 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:01:48 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

They put me in mind of "sash cramps" - used in the construction of sash
window frames, and anything big in wood that needs clamping while the glue
in the joints sets off.  They are not like any sash cramp I have seen
before, though.  I wonder if they were used for bending wood?  It looks as
though both pieces have the facility to be retightened progressively during
the job.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry Evans
> Sent: 04 December 2005 16:10
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
> 
> Hi The Lists,
>          I have received an eMail from a friend asking to 
> help identify 2 
> clamps he has acquired. 




From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 09:08:12 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:08:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
Message-ID: <12b.6aecbd57.30c47c7c@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/4/2005 8:22:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:


> I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2 
> clamps he has acquired

Hi Jerry,
The one on the right is a skyhook and the left one installs muffler 
bearings....I think!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Dec  4 09:31:13 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:31:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <200512041131185.SM00716@wrbpc>

John Deere engines came with a simple funnel.  I bet there were others.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:50 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?

I purchased a stover 3 hp model w recently, and it came with an item i am
not sure about. It looks like an offset funnel maybe for fueling?  Its made
out of copper and quite thin. Did the old engines come with accessories like
that?   Tom
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Dec  4 10:06:18 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:06:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
	<BAY109-DAV20EEF009F29D41E221113DBB4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <03e001c5f8fd$6d025190$4672a418@pengy>

Well you know me.  Anything to make a buck for the Tod Engine!

BTW The long awaited Tod Engine DVD is getting closer to being released. 
Gotta email the producer and see how far along he is with it.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> I'd like to see a video, once it's up and running, or possibly a DVD. 
> Whatcha think Rick??
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>>
>> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>>
>>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop, 
>> etc.
>> Good luck with everything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>> Concord, Va. USA
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Dec  4 14:04:48 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:04:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <12b.6aecbd57.30c47c7c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051204140254.01bd9aa0@mail.pennswoods.net>

At 12:08 PM 12/4/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/4/2005 8:22:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>jerrye at databak.co.za writes:
>[[[[[[A Lookes like a roller for makeing bows]]]]]]]]
>
> > I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2
> > clamps he has acquired
>[[[[[[[[If it is a sky hook it the left one]]]]]]]]]
>Hi Jerry,
>The one on the right is a skyhook and the left one installs muffler
>bearings....I think! [[[[[ No it is a remover]]]]]]]]
>
>Wink & Ginger Thornton,
>Yucca Valley Ca., USA
>KG6TVW, KG6TVV
>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 11:41:19 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:41:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
	<BAY109-DAV20EEF009F29D41E221113DBB4E0@phx.gbl>
	<03e001c5f8fd$6d025190$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <007f01c5f90a$b322aaf0$6c426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

A CD that I would like to buy is seeing the whole casting process.  All the 
way from preparing the sand to the pour to the finished product.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


Well you know me.  Anything to make a buck for the Tod Engine!

BTW The long awaited Tod Engine DVD is getting closer to being released.
Gotta email the producer and see how far along he is with it.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> I'd like to see a video, once it's up and running, or possibly a DVD.
> Whatcha think Rick??
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>>
>> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>>
>>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop,
>> etc.
>> Good luck with everything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>> Concord, Va. USA
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 12:48:22 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:48:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bob Bromps
In-Reply-To: <004d01c5f8b3$76c3e030$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBOEAAEMAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>

Reg,
Have you noticed that the Pacific Model Design web site has disappeared?
http://www.pacificmodeldesign.com/

Carl



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec  4 13:36:19 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:36:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bob Bromps
References: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBOEAAEMAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <018501c5f91a$c5ba3d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Yes, I did pick that up.
Marv Hedburg has a friend in Bend who is supposed to chase and get my wheels 
but, no news yet.
I never got any reply from the Dept Justice.
AND, Still no bloody wheels!!
How are you going with it all?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Carlsen" <kd7bfn at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bob Bromps


> Reg,
> Have you noticed that the Pacific Model Design web site has disappeared?
> http://www.pacificmodeldesign.com/
>
> Carl
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  4 18:02:46 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:02:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>
References: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051204210227.044c2d70@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:50 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>I purchased a stover 3 hp model w recently, and it came with an item i am 
>not sure about. It looks like an offset funnel maybe for fueling?  Its 
>made out of copper and quite thin. Did the old engines come with 
>accessories like that?   Tom

Yes
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  4 18:05:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:05:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051204210418.0226cd40@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:01 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>They put me in mind of "sash cramps" - used in the construction of sash
>window frames, and anything big in wood that needs clamping while the glue
>in the joints sets off.  They are not like any sash cramp I have seen
>before, though.  I wonder if they were used for bending wood?  It looks as
>though both pieces have the facility to be retightened progressively during
>the job.
>Regards
>      Pete

Like Pete I have NO IDEA what the hell they might have been used for. Just 
takes me less time to say it!
         Dave



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Dec  4 21:44:07 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:44:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] California show
Message-ID: <20051204.214407.800.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
My local club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates)  was again invited
to participate in the Victorian Christmas celebration at Lake Forest
(just South of Irvine CA).  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31983879&f=0

 After the clouds cleared it was a warm sunny day.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec  5 03:51:44 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:51:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <439429D0.7090206@wightman.ca>

Nice clamps. Haven't a clue what they are for but probably used at one 
time for a engine related task!

Duncan


Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi The Lists,
>         I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 
> 2 clamps he has acquired. Although "Off Topic" can you please have a 
> look. They are woodworking clamps by the look of things and, who 
> knows, maybe they could be used when building an engine transporter 
> and that would make it "On Topic" (Grin).
>         Thanks - please look here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/clamps.htm>
>
> I leave it to you to reply directly to me or to the list - your choice
>
> Best Regards
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans 
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
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>
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec  5 04:00:45 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:00:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
Message-ID: <20051205120042.TXSM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Another good engine weekend in Oz. I worked a 16 hour shift on Friday, had 4
hours sleep and then headed south to the rally in Young (you have got to be
a little crazy in this hobby). 5 hours later I was unloading the YC Stover
in the picturesque grounds where the rally is held. 
This has to have been the biggest rally they have held with an impressive
roll up of engines. Pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html
I won a trophy for the YC for Champion feature vertical, Reg got one for his
models and Brock won Champion overall for his lovely vertical White.
All in all it was an excellent weekend apart from an idiot almost running
over my mother and succeeding in running over my dog! Thankfully Shannon
seems to be OK but she was a bit upset (and strong words were had with the
safety officer).
Still, it was a great rally in a great location.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec  5 04:14:49 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:14:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
Message-ID: <00ee01c5f995$7e24c730$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi All
I went to the Young Rally this past weekend and had a great time, a chance 
to catch up with a lot of engine people and see one of the best display's of 
engines and Tractors I have ever seen. It started off  wet and rained very 
heavy on the Friday but improved as the weekend progressed ( Sunday finished 
up being hot ).
      Some of our List members were rewarded  for all their hard work and it 
was well deserved (Brock summerfield, Patrick Livingstone and Reg Ingold ) 
but I will leave that to them to explain for themselves, Well done boy's.
      Saturday evening we went down to watch the street parade, it was 
enormous, it seemed to go on forever, then came back to the evening dinner 
and the presentations. A great time was had by all.
Cheers Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia
ponchie at ozemail.com.au 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Dec  5 05:00:52 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:00:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
References: <20051205120042.TXSM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000901c5f99b$ed4e35a0$1a85dccb@oemcomputer>

Well done as usual mate.Congrats on your award.I had a great time and my 6hp
Famous and 2.5hp Famous ran really good all weekend without any trouble at
all.It was great to see Brock get the award for the White.He has done a
great job on it when you consider how it was when he got it.There are only 3
of these known to exist any where.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:00
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 05:23:04 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:23:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
Message-ID: <221.4a466d9.30c59938@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/5/2005 7:24:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< Another good engine weekend in Oz. >>


Patrick,

The Kelly Lewis sure does have some extensive weld repairs!  

Would you know what the interesting rotary mag driven by the flywheel is on 
the 6 Famous?  Do not believe I have ever seen one before.  

The cherry pitter is a neat high production unit. 

Thanks for all the photos to look at on a snowy Monday morning in central 
Virginia!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 05:53:54 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:53:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203184634.04418148@mail.alltel.net>
	<013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205084740.04467c58@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:38 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
> > Hi Rob, You may want to check with Dale, but I believe that
> > TWO COATS are  not good since QP will not adhere to itself.
> >          Dave
>Hiya Dave,
>Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been KP'ed
>and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?
>Rob

Hi Rob,
         Somewhere I think I heard something about etching the QP before re 
coating an old application. Not sure, however, what should be used for the 
etching. Perhaps Charlie or Joe would know.
         Dave
PS, I know that I once used QP on a new tank with BAD results. It did not 
adhere to the inside of the tank and flaked off after a brief time. I 
suspect that I should have cleaned the inside of the tank with acid prior 
to using the QP. That was MY FAULT and in NO WAY the fault of the QP!



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Dec  5 09:05:57 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:05:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly
Message-ID: <001801c5f9be$296c6800$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Seeing that I am the one that introduced Kwik Poly to the SEL guys  I will look in my
files and see what information I might have and more history of it. It was developed by
my friend Harold Bowden who passed away a few years ago with Lou Gerhigs.  Harold lived in St. Charles, Missouri only a few miles from me and belonged to our Tractor and Engine Club.
Before retirement he worked for Frontier and Ozark airlines and it was those years that
a sealant was developed for the fuel tanks of there airplanes. Like myself ,and a few 
other famous people like Joe Kelley, He was a native of Maine. The antique car market
was his main market as was boat builders in Maine. He himself was heavily into antiques
especially Model T Fords. A few years back he had a 2 day auction just on his Model
T 's and parts (enough parts to put together several autos). More later.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine (where it will soon be ice fishing time)





From jlwiley123 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  5 09:30:32 2005
From: jlwiley123 at earthlink.net (James Wiley)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:30:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Springs
Message-ID: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Can anyone recommend a spring winding company that will do small quantities of springs?  I need 2 different kinds of springs wound for the fuel pump on my 25 HP Fairbanks Morse Y Motor.  I have done some google searches on the web and sent inquiries to a several companies, but so far haven't received a reply.  I am assuming that they aren't interested in doing a half dozen or so springs for me...

I have drawings I got from FM that have all the specs...

In case you are curious, I have a few pictures on my motor on my web site:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jlwiley123/index.html

Thanks

James Wiley
jlwiley123 at earthlink.net


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec  5 09:40:43 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:40:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rob,

The only bad experience I've had with Kwic-Poly was on a new tank that was
leaking when I first put gas into it.  This was at Coolspring and all I
did was drain the gas out, mix up a batch of KP and pour it in.  It held
nicely for most of the season, then began coming off.  Ever try and remove
loose KP through a 3/4" filler neck?  Not fun!

As I had borrowed the KP (of indeterminate age), I ordered a new batch
from either Charlie Bryant or Joe Kelley.  This time I used some
dishwashing detergent to thoroughly clean the inside of the tank and I
made sure it was dry inside.  Then did the KP.  That job has held
beautifully for 4 or 5 years now.  So that was KP over (some still
adhering) KP.  No special treatment other than a really good cleaning.

I've done other tanks with full success; just making sure that they were
clean before adding the KP.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:

> Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because I do the
> second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's still soft.
> Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been KP'ed
> and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 10:06:49 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:06:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springs
Message-ID: <296.1195e52.30c5dbb9@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/5/2005 12:58:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jlwiley123 at earthlink.net writes:

<< Can anyone recommend a spring winding company that will do small 
quantities of springs?  >>


James,

Someone posted a number of pages a while ago on how to make your own springs.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingSprings/Thumbnails.html

I knew a Jim Wiley from Indianapolis about 20 years ago. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec  5 10:18:01 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:18:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
In-Reply-To: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43948459.70904@imc-group.com>

James,
I have always found the needed k-rate, spring length, or diameter in the 
massive spring book from Century Spring. You can do the online thing, 
but I find the catalog much more useful. You can order this online too.
http://www.centuryspring.com/
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

James Wiley wrote:

>Can anyone recommend a spring winding company that will do small quantities of springs?  I need 2 different kinds of springs wound for the fuel pump on my 25 HP Fairbanks Morse Y Motor.  I have done some google searches on the web and sent inquiries to a several companies, but so far haven't received a reply.  I am assuming that they aren't interested in doing a half dozen or so springs for me...
>
>I have drawings I got from FM that have all the specs...
>
>In case you are curious, I have a few pictures on my motor on my web site:
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~jlwiley123/index.html
>
>Thanks
>
>James Wiley
>jlwiley123 at earthlink.net
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 11:04:07 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:04:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Arnie and Rob,
         I spoke with Dale Portrell moments ago and asked him what he 
recommends for 'etching" Kwik-Poly prior to re coating it. (Dale is the guy 
who is now manufacturing the stuff. He is at 314.344.8881.) Dale says that 
they have not really found anything that does a good job of scratching the 
surface of Kwik-Poly, but that plastic blasting beads might be worth a 
try--if you can fine them. Put them in the tank and shake the hell out of 
it! He recommends using muriatic (sp?) acid (50/50 w/water) prior to using 
K-P in a gasoline tank--even an old rusty one. (Remember "do what you 
otter, add acid to water!) He thinks that a stronger solution of the acid 
might etch the K-P itself, but didn't know for sure. I'll try that after my 
K-P arrives from Dale and (if I can remember) let the List know what 
works/doesn't work.
         Dave

At 12:40 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Rob,
>
>The only bad experience I've had with Kwic-Poly was on a new tank that was
>leaking when I first put gas into it.  This was at Coolspring and all I
>did was drain the gas out, mix up a batch of KP and pour it in.  It held
>nicely for most of the season, then began coming off.  Ever try and remove
>loose KP through a 3/4" filler neck?  Not fun!
>
>As I had borrowed the KP (of indeterminate age), I ordered a new batch
>from either Charlie Bryant or Joe Kelley.  This time I used some
>dishwashing detergent to thoroughly clean the inside of the tank and I
>made sure it was dry inside.  Then did the KP.  That job has held
>beautifully for 4 or 5 years now.  So that was KP over (some still
>adhering) KP.  No special treatment other than a really good cleaning.
>
>I've done other tanks with full success; just making sure that they were
>clean before adding the KP.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because I 
> do the
> > second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's 
> still soft.
> > Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been 
> KP'ed
> > and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec  5 12:18:25 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:18:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>

Arnie, Dave, Rob,
For what it is worth each tank I have QP'd I have gotten the solids out 
and then add a 1/2 cup of lacquer thinner. Cover the openings with my 
hands and slosh the stuff all around. On old tanks this cuts the 
gasoline deposits and varnish. On new tanks this removes the rolling 
mill oils and oils/dirt that got on the tank when it was being made.
I'll wash additional times until the lacquer thinner comes out clean. 
Then I put an air hose in the tank and set the regulator on about 3-5 
psi and blow a slow stream of compressed air in the tank evaporating any 
of the lacquer thinner away.
I'll mix up the correct amount of QP and roll it around in the tank 
until it sets. I do NOT pour the excess off. You'd mixed it you might as 
well use it. If the tank was rusty and thin I'll make sure the heaviest 
amount of QP is on he bottom where the rust was. I do no multi coats.
So far I have had NO failures with QP using this process.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. True story.....muriatic and galvanized together is an unpleasant 
reaction. Lot of heat and wicked yellow fumes that will rip your lungs 
out. In my teenage years I used to get gal. sheet metal from the local 
HVAC place and etch the gal. off and use the metal to patch rusty car 
fenders. I killed a whole section of mom's prized hedges with those 
yellow vapors! She was PISSED!

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Arnie and Rob,
>         I spoke with Dale Portrell moments ago and asked him what he 
> recommends for 'etching" Kwik-Poly prior to re coating it. (Dale is 
> the guy who is now manufacturing the stuff. He is at 314.344.8881.) 
> Dale says that they have not really found anything that does a good 
> job of scratching the surface of Kwik-Poly, but that plastic blasting 
> beads might be worth a try--if you can fine them. Put them in the tank 
> and shake the hell out of it! He recommends using muriatic (sp?) acid 
> (50/50 w/water) prior to using K-P in a gasoline tank--even an old 
> rusty one. (Remember "do what you otter, add acid to water!) He thinks 
> that a stronger solution of the acid might etch the K-P itself, but 
> didn't know for sure. I'll try that after my K-P arrives from Dale and 
> (if I can remember) let the List know what works/doesn't work.
>         Dave
>
> At 12:40 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> The only bad experience I've had with Kwic-Poly was on a new tank 
>> that was
>> leaking when I first put gas into it.  This was at Coolspring and all I
>> did was drain the gas out, mix up a batch of KP and pour it in.  It held
>> nicely for most of the season, then began coming off.  Ever try and 
>> remove
>> loose KP through a 3/4" filler neck?  Not fun!
>>
>> As I had borrowed the KP (of indeterminate age), I ordered a new batch
>> from either Charlie Bryant or Joe Kelley.  This time I used some
>> dishwashing detergent to thoroughly clean the inside of the tank and I
>> made sure it was dry inside.  Then did the KP.  That job has held
>> beautifully for 4 or 5 years now.  So that was KP over (some still
>> adhering) KP.  No special treatment other than a really good cleaning.
>>
>> I've done other tanks with full success; just making sure that they were
>> clean before adding the KP.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because 
>> I do the
>> > second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's 
>> still soft.
>> > Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously 
>> been KP'ed
>> > and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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>
>



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 13:28:00 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:28:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<43948459.70904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

I second the motion on Century spring. I ordered from them last week for a 
current project. I believe they have a 30 dollar minimum. We have been using 
them at work for quite a while now with no problems.

John 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 13:32:22 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:32:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
	<4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

Thanks for the tip about the galvanized metal and the acid. I have a 
galvanized cooling tank to fix, anybody had luck with this stuff resisting 
heat and anti-freeze?

John 




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec  5 14:07:37 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:07:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
In-Reply-To: <009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<43948459.70904@imc-group.com>
	<009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <4394BA29.60700@imc-group.com>

Funny how those springs for machines at work just happen to fit those 
gas engines isn't it ;-)
Curt

John Hall wrote:

> I second the motion on Century spring. I ordered from them last week 
> for a current project. I believe they have a 30 dollar minimum. We 
> have been using them at work for quite a while now with no problems.
>
> John
>
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>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 14:15:51 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:15:51 -0000
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
Message-ID: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

    Hi all,
            I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
            The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the manufacturer.

        Thanks in advance,
                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  5 14:40:11 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:40:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <032601c5f874$5ff47c00$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F28306AC217CAF54934ED8C95410@phx.gbl>

Thanks Rick, that explained it very clearly, however it sounds extremely 
expensive so I suppose when you crank up that furnace you better have a lot 
of castings to make! thanks , Steve


>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:45:15 -0500
>
>Picture an electrical transformer with the secondary leads (the wires that 
>electricity come out of) wired together and short circuited.  Gets hot 
>pretty quick right!  That is an induction furnace.  The primary coil is the 
>copper coil which encircles the furnace crucible.  The secondary windings 
>is the metal that you want to melt.  As you put power to the coil the 
>magnetic fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of 
>times per second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth 
>creates heat and continues to make heat until the metal melts.
>
>The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through 
>the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up to 
>3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 O3
>
>The advantage of induction melting over any other form of melting is that 
>there are no products of combustion to contaminate the metal.  So what you 
>put in is what comes out, nothing more nothing less.  It is possible to 
>very accurately produce certain grades of steel with an induction furnace.
>
>The disadvantage of induction melting is the three big copper wires that 
>come in from the road.  On my furnace the motor generator is driven by a 
>motor which draws 93 amps at 480 volts.  My minimum electric bill will be 
>$500 per month.  The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC 
>60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles.
>
>Rick Rowlands
>Tod Engine Works
>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>and nonferrous castings
>2261 Hubbard Road
>Youngstown, OH  44505
>330-728-2799
>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" 
><steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>>Hi Rick, Can you explain how an induction furnace works? Is that big coil 
>>heated with electricity? Thanks, Steve
>>
>>
>>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
>>>
>>>Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" 
>>><jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Rick,
>>>>
>>>>A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
>>>>pour steel and iron?
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>>>>Hemet, CA
>>>>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" 
>>>><jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>>>>Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
>>>>foundry
>>>>operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
>>>>work
>>>>using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
>>>>Engine
>>>>building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>>>>
>>>>We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 
>>>>25' x
>>>>28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
>>>>least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
>>>>480VAC
>>>>3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has 
>>>>been
>>>>cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
>>>>overhead service to the building.
>>>>
>>>>I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a 
>>>>newly
>>>>acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
>>>>furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
>>>>workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
>>>>capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
>>>>carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and 
>>>>aluminum.
>>>>The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
>>>>largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>>>>
>>>>I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
>>>>acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could 
>>>>set
>>>>up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment 
>>>>to
>>>>get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and 
>>>>has
>>>>quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>>>>
>>>>Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
>>>>pound
>>>>induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>>>>
>>>>A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
>>>>the
>>>>idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of 
>>>>the
>>>>Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings 
>>>>go
>>>>toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines 
>>>>which
>>>>we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one 
>>>>from
>>>>New York state.
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>>>>
>>>>Rick Rowlands
>>>>Tod Engine Works
>>>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>>>>and nonferrous castings
>>>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>>>330-728-2799
>>>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 14:59:29 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:59:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
	<4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>
	<00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205175317.0451f200@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:32 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks for the tip about the galvanized metal and the acid. I have a 
>galvanized cooling tank to fix, anybody had luck with this stuff resisting 
>heat and anti-freeze?
>John

Hi John, K-P is good from -37Fdegrees to +400F. You can be damn well sure 
that anti-freeze will NOT hurt it at all.
         Dave 



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 15:17:20 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:17:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
In-Reply-To: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <20051205231720.41538.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

CM-
  I am in Rochester, New York and have a bit of awareness of the Gould's company (Seneca Falls, NY...nearby).
  I''ll be glad to help in any way I can.
  Jim Moran
  (In a somewhat wet and a bit chilly New York/USA)

craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:      Hi all,
  I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by goulds.The pump  measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 brass  pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
  The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at  Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of  pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the  manufacturer.

        Thanks in advance,
                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland
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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Dec  5 15:28:16 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:28:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
References: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <00ce01c5f9f3$92884360$c71117d1@net.telenet.net>

Goulds pump is still in business in Seneca Falls. They are now ITT
owned.

Goulds Pumps, ITT Industries
2881 East Bayard Street
Seneca Falls NY 13148
(315) 568-7123



Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny


    Hi all,
            I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by
goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the
3 brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170
pounds.
            The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine
shed at Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this
type of pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the
manufacturer.

        Thanks in advance,
                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Dec  5 15:44:16 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:44:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
References: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <001901c5f9f5$e83e06d0$cd9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Craig..............we restored a Tangy triple throw pump some years ago. At 
the time I found a site on the net in the UK . A group were restoring a 
Tangy engine and the same type of pump as ours. Sounded like a nice set up . 
Engine and pump in the original engine house with a glass panel for viewing. 
If you wish I can send you a pic of our pump ...we now drive it with a 
Ruston Proctor Steam Portable.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny


>    Hi all,
>            I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by 
> goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 
> brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 
> pounds.
>            The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed 
> at Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of 
> pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the 
> manufacturer.
>
>        Thanks in advance,
>                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 15:58:44 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:58:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <20051203000440.45995.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051202.153603.1380.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20051203000440.45995.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205185624.044acde0@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:04 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>You may be interested to know that I once starred in an X-rated 
>movie....Shallow Throat.
>   JM

WOW JM, Linda Lovelace starred in the original didn't she?
         Dave   



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec  5 10:21:03 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:21:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
Message-ID: <20051205.132858.812.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jim
Have you look at Curt Holland's site ?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/Cardcatalog.htm


There is a section about winding your own springs.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 16:33:21 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:33:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205185624.044acde0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051206003321.27788.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, that is true.  Her talent had a much  greater depth.  I know that is hard to swallow.   However....let's not get all choked up.
  JM

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:  At 07:04 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>You may be interested to know that I once starred in an X-rated 
>movie....Shallow Throat.
>   JM

WOW JM, Linda Lovelace starred in the original didn't she?
         Dave   

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec  5 10:05:02 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:05:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] California show
Message-ID: <20051205.131526.812.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice pics, Ron and also - Patrick,

Good to view while enjoying my coffee on a cold 19 degree morning.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon Dec  5 17:42:44 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 01:42:44 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly
Message-ID: <20051205.174314.5755.57111@webmail03.lax.untd.com>

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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 18:02:25 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:02:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<43948459.70904@imc-group.com><009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<4394BA29.60700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5fa09$1c6778c0$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

I wish!!!!!! When we order them its for a job. We used to use Lee Spring but 
several years ago they got too expensive and would only sell in larger lots. 
Not to mention they don't carry as much stock as Century.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springs


> Funny how those springs for machines at work just happen to fit those gas 
> engines isn't it ;-)
> Curt
>
> John Hall wrote:
>
>> I second the motion on Century spring. I ordered from them last week for 
>> a current project. I believe they have a 30 dollar minimum. We have been 
>> using them at work for quite a while now with no problems.
>>
>> John
>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 18:03:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:03:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly
In-Reply-To: <20051205.174314.5755.57111@webmail03.lax.untd.com>
References: <20051205.174314.5755.57111@webmail03.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205205843.045cde58@mail.alltel.net>

Yea Joe, Fine! But all this has been said (and resaid) before. The ONLY new 
information we need is how to etch the damn stuff after a first coat has 
been applied and left to cure for about two/three years. Any advice on that?
         Dave

At 08:42 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>You guys better use some acid and etch that new metal before using the 
>Kwik Poly or as it is now known, XP 2000. You need to "rough" up the new 
>metal so it will "stick". No problem with a rusty tank, and no need to 
>pour any of it out, just keep "sloshing". I always try and sit the tank in 
>the area that the residue will run toward a particular bad spot. Just 
>fixed a cracked hopper (frost crack on the seam on the bottom) on a FM 
>engine. I am still working off my kit of KP that I have had, but will need 
>a new batch sometime. See ya, Joe Kelley
>PS: Thanks Charlie for spelling Kelley correctly (it just doesn't look 
>right with 5 letters in it!!!!)



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 18:05:33 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:05:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer><Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net><4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com><00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205175317.0451f200@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c5fa09$8b022370$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

Thanks Dave. I beleive you posted a phone number for this stuff earlier but 
I already deleted it. Would you or someone else mind resending it? Off list 
is OK.

John Hall
jthall at worldnet.att.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik-Poly


> At 04:32 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>>Thanks for the tip about the galvanized metal and the acid. I have a 
>>galvanized cooling tank to fix, anybody had luck with this stuff resisting 
>>heat and anti-freeze?
>>John
>
> Hi John, K-P is good from -37Fdegrees to +400F. You can be damn well sure 
> that anti-freeze will NOT hurt it at all.
>         Dave
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec  5 18:38:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 21:38:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
In-Reply-To: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <1133836707.4394f9a305e0b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Craig,

I've got a Goulds pump catalog from 1910 that has 27 pages on triplex pumps from
the smallest (1-1/4" bore x 2" stroke, weight 85 lbs) up to the largest (14"
bore x 16" stroke, no weight listed).  They don't list any with a 2-1/4" bore
(2" and 2-1/2") and they only list one with a weight of 170 lbs (1-3/4" bore x
2-1/2" stroke).  The Goulds pumps usually have a tag or other identifier that
includes a "Figure" number that ties back to their catalogs.
Are there any identifiers on your pump?  Any chance of a pic?

BTW as of 1910 they had been in business for more than sixty years.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>:

>             I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by
> goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3
> brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
>             The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at
> Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of pump
> or its age would be very useful as would anything about the manufacturer.




From mholland at rustyiron.com  Mon Dec  5 18:47:44 2005
From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:47:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date
Message-ID: <E1EjSro-0005aj-MH@megs36.100mwh.com>

Just got asked to help establish the mfg. date of Baker Monitor engine 
s/n 38992. I don't seem to have a s/n list in the literature Joe 
Prindle sent us. Can anyone look this up please?
Is this info on the net somewhere?
Curt Holland
In very cold 36F and rainy Gastona, NC





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec  5 19:18:38 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:18:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date
In-Reply-To: <E1EjSro-0005aj-MH@megs36.100mwh.com>
Message-ID: <20051206031835.EZPN16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Late 1928.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


Just got asked to help establish the mfg. date of Baker Monitor engine 
s/n 38992. I don't seem to have a s/n list in the literature Joe 
Prindle sent us. Can anyone look this up please?
Is this info on the net somewhere?
Curt Holland
In very cold 36F and rainy Gastona, NC



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From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Dec  5 19:31:38 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:31:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
Message-ID: <410-2200512263313815@coastalnet.com>

Here is a page from a 1920 hardware catalog that lists a 2-1/4 bore triplex
pump.  http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/misc/goulds-1920.jpg
Doesn't list weights, so can't tell whether this fits the bill or not.  

Ken.


> [Original Message]
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/5/2005 9:54:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> I've got a Goulds pump catalog from 1910 that has 27 pages on triplex
pumps from
> the smallest (1-1/4" bore x 2" stroke, weight 85 lbs) up to the largest
(14"
> bore x 16" stroke, no weight listed).  They don't list any with a 2-1/4"
bore
> (2" and 2-1/2") and they only list one with a weight of 170 lbs (1-3/4"
bore x
> 2-1/2" stroke).  The Goulds pumps usually have a tag or other identifier
that
> includes a "Figure" number that ties back to their catalogs.
> Are there any identifiers on your pump?  Any chance of a pic?
>
> BTW as of 1910 they had been in business for more than sixty years.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com





From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 19:38:17 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:38:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date
References: <E1EjSro-0005aj-MH@megs36.100mwh.com>
Message-ID: <022701c5fa16$7f323af0$124d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Curt,

Wendel's Notebook shows S/N 38000 erected May 22, 1928 and 39000 erected Jan 
24, 1929. Yours probably made late in 1928 or early 1929.  Mine is 30789 
which is early 1924.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Missy Holland" <mholland at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date


Just got asked to help establish the mfg. date of Baker Monitor engine
s/n 38992. I don't seem to have a s/n list in the literature Joe
Prindle sent us. Can anyone look this up please?
Is this info on the net somewhere?
Curt Holland
In very cold 36F and rainy Gastona, NC



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From gibsongus at myway.com  Mon Dec  5 22:22:16 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Tue,  6 Dec 2005 01:22:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
Message-ID: <20051206062216.0FFAD3958@mprdmxin.myway.com>

 Wink, now what are you trying to start?????           Dave didnt like our story on the Bridge....-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 12/04, WinkAndGinger at aol.com &lt; WinkAndGinger at aol.com &gt; wrote:
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com [mailto: WinkAndGinger at aol.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:08:12 ESTSubject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??In a message dated 12/4/2005 8:22:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes:&gt; I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2 &gt; clamps he has acquiredHi Jerry,The one on the right is a skyhook and the left one installs muffler bearings....I think!Wink &amp; Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USAKG6TVW, KG6TVVThe older the violin....the sweeter the music!http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&amp;a=30951078&amp;pw=_______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

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From rstreet at attglobal.net  Mon Dec  5 23:09:58 2005
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:09:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <20051206071008.5C8FA26270F@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Dale: Check the stamping again. Does it say 1899 or 1898? Most of the plugs
use the 1898 patent. Which I have narrowed down to one of these:

612,614

612,615

612,701

612,779

612,783

612,801

612,802

There were no patents issued on October 18, 1899. 

Could you send me a picture of the plug?

Thanks,

Rich

 



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec  6 01:36:13 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:06:13 +1030
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051204210418.0226cd40@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005601c5fa48$80328130$d1ca8890@chaos>

Flooring clamps

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??


> At 12:01 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>>They put me in mind of "sash cramps" - used in the construction of sash
>>window frames, and anything big in wood that needs clamping while the glue
>>in the joints sets off.  They are not like any sash cramp I have seen
>>before, though.  I wonder if they were used for bending wood?  It looks as
>>though both pieces have the facility to be retightened progressively 
>>during
>>the job.
>>Regards
>>      Pete
>
> Like Pete I have NO IDEA what the hell they might have been used for. Just 
> takes me less time to say it!
>         Dave 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec  6 04:04:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:04:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <004d01c5fa09$8b022370$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
	<4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>
	<00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205175317.0451f200@mail.alltel.net>
	<004d01c5fa09$8b022370$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051206065929.0456c838@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:05 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks Dave. I beleive you posted a phone number for this stuff earlier 
>but I already deleted it. Would you or someone else mind resending it? Off 
>list is OK.
>
>John Hall

Hi John,
         It was Rob who first posted it. Dale Portell is the guy who is now 
manufacturing Kwik-Poly. He can be reached at: (314) 344-8881. The quart 
size is $24.00 plus postage. Dale simply puts a bill in the box when he 
ships it and you send him a check when it arrives!
         Dave 



From jlwiley123 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  6 06:21:55 2005
From: jlwiley123 at earthlink.net (James Wiley)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:21:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [SEL] springs
Message-ID: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog 
or extra springs laying around, so here goes:

1)  Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part number YHA260A7
     Minimum Inside Diameter                    1"
     Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 9/32"
     Free Length                                5 1/4"
     Minimum Working Length                     3 15/16"
     Scale per inch                             15# +/- 6%
     Section                                    Round
     Ends                                       Closed and Ground
     Coiled                                     Either hand
     Finish                                     Plain or Natural
     Pulsation                                  325 per minute
     When spring is completely compressed it should measure not more than 2 1/2"
     20# load at 3 15/16" long
     39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
     .128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils

2)  Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM Part number YHA628A4
     Minimum Inside Diameter                    29/32"
     Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 1/16"
     Free Length                                5 1/2"
     Minimum Working Length                     3"
     Load in Place                              6# +/- 6%
     Length in Place                            3 3/8"
     Scale per inch                             2 7/8# +/- 6%
     Section                                    Round
     Ends                                       Closed and Ground
     Coiled                                     Either Hand
     Finish                                     Natural
     22 total coils

I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is not specified - I don't know if the other information 
is enough to figure that out.  In the drawing, the wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1.   
Both spring drawings have a note that says the springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for 1 hour.   
I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if anyone would like to see them.  I started to post them to 
my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok with FM...

Thanks

James


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Dec  6 07:17:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:17:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11A0EE279E84B7DA97C84BB400@phx.gbl>

  I guess if the KP was coming off, I'd take it down to the local engine 
shop and have them boil it.

  Possibly it could be etched with MEK for a second coat.  Dunno.

  Here's what I am using...so far, so good, and it's single pak so no mixing 
and pour the excess back in the can.  Recommended to me by an ole tractor 
mechanic.  Follow directions closely.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/201050969uKwoCf

  later,
RickinMt. 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec  6 08:14:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512061044440.68073@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

If you had to compromise on spring OD or ID or solid height, what are your
hard constraints with this application?  Do the springs need to fit over a
rod of a certain diameter, or into a hole of a certain diameter?  Is there
a moving part that would be damaged if the spring went solid; if so what
is that minimum dimension?  For the second spring, a spring company would
not need the wire diameter, they would be able to work with the load /
deflection spec info.

As to posting the scanned drawings, if there's no copyright statement on
them, I don't think anyone would object.

What engine are these springs from again?  Have you contacted service
companies who service engines of this type?  They may know of spring
sources for these springs.  As you have observed, they aren't "standard"
dimensions.

One other place to get a quote would be Reid Supply Company.
www.reidsupply.com and email at: mail at reidsupply.com

Send 'em the scanned spring drawings.  They offer "Custom Made Springs" in
their catalog and don't require any minimum order.

Good luck!!  Be sure to let us know how you make out.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, James Wiley wrote:

> Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog
> or extra springs laying around, so here goes:
>
> 1)  Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part number YHA260A7
>      Minimum Inside Diameter                    1"
>      Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 9/32"
>      Free Length                                5 1/4"
>      Minimum Working Length                     3 15/16"
>      Scale per inch                             15# +/- 6%
>      Section                                    Round
>      Ends                                       Closed and Ground
>      Coiled                                     Either hand
>      Finish                                     Plain or Natural
>      Pulsation                                  325 per minute
>      When spring is completely compressed it should measure not more than 2 1/2"
>      20# load at 3 15/16" long
>      39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
>      .128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils
>
> 2)  Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM Part number YHA628A4
>      Minimum Inside Diameter                    29/32"
>      Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 1/16"
>      Free Length                                5 1/2"
>      Minimum Working Length                     3"
>      Load in Place                              6# +/- 6%
>      Length in Place                            3 3/8"
>      Scale per inch                             2 7/8# +/- 6%
>      Section                                    Round
>      Ends                                       Closed and Ground
>      Coiled                                     Either Hand
>      Finish                                     Natural
>      22 total coils
>
> I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is not specified - I don't know if the other information
> is enough to figure that out.  In the drawing, the wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1.
> Both spring drawings have a note that says the springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for 1 hour.
> I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if anyone would like to see them.  I started to post them to
> my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok with FM...



From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 09:37:55 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:37:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

  Perhaps you should check out this website and consider making them yourself. If you do not choose to go that route, perhaps you could contact the author of that site and engage him to make them for you or suggest an advanced hobbyist/entrepenuer who would take on the job for a modest figure.
  Good Luck
  Aenus McShite

James Wiley <jlwiley123 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
  
Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog 
or extra springs laying around, so here goes:

1) Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part number YHA260A7
Minimum Inside Diameter 1"
Maximum Outside Diameter 1 9/32"
Free Length 5 1/4"
Minimum Working Length 3 15/16"
Scale per inch 15# +/- 6%
Section Round
Ends Closed and Ground
Coiled Either hand
Finish Plain or Natural
Pulsation 325 per minute
When spring is completely compressed it should measure not more than 2 1/2"
20# load at 3 15/16" long
39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
.128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils

2) Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM Part number YHA628A4
Minimum Inside Diameter 29/32"
Maximum Outside Diameter 1 1/16"
Free Length 5 1/2"
Minimum Working Length 3"
Load in Place 6# +/- 6%
Length in Place 3 3/8"
Scale per inch 2 7/8# +/- 6%
Section Round
Ends Closed and Ground
Coiled Either Hand
Finish Natural
22 total coils

I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is not specified - I don't know if the other information 
is enough to figure that out. In the drawing, the wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1. 
Both spring drawings have a note that says the springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for 1 hour. 
I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if anyone would like to see them. I started to post them to 
my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok with FM...

Thanks

James
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From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 10:08:02 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:08:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051206180802.58913.qmail@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Forgot the bloody link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/intro.html
Sincere Apologies,
Aenus McShite
--- Aenus McShite <aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>   Perhaps you should check out this website and
> consider making them yourself. If you do not choose
> to go that route, perhaps you could contact the
> author of that site and engage him to make them for
> you or suggest an advanced hobbyist/entrepenuer who
> would take on the job for a modest figure.
>   Good Luck
>   Aenus McShite
> 
> James Wiley <jlwiley123 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
>   
> Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to
> the list - in case someone might have a spring
> catalog 
> or extra springs laying around, so here goes:
> 
> 1) Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part
> number YHA260A7
> Minimum Inside Diameter 1"
> Maximum Outside Diameter 1 9/32"
> Free Length 5 1/4"
> Minimum Working Length 3 15/16"
> Scale per inch 15# +/- 6%
> Section Round
> Ends Closed and Ground
> Coiled Either hand
> Finish Plain or Natural
> Pulsation 325 per minute
> When spring is completely compressed it should
> measure not more than 2 1/2"
> 20# load at 3 15/16" long
> 39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
> .128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils
> 
> 2) Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM
> Part number YHA628A4
> Minimum Inside Diameter 29/32"
> Maximum Outside Diameter 1 1/16"
> Free Length 5 1/2"
> Minimum Working Length 3"
> Load in Place 6# +/- 6%
> Length in Place 3 3/8"
> Scale per inch 2 7/8# +/- 6%
> Section Round
> Ends Closed and Ground
> Coiled Either Hand
> Finish Natural
> 22 total coils
> 
> I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is
> not specified - I don't know if the other
> information 
> is enough to figure that out. In the drawing, the
> wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1. 
> Both spring drawings have a note that says the
> springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for
> 1 hour. 
> I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if
> anyone would like to see them. I started to post
> them to 
> my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok
> with FM...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> James
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec  6 09:56:03 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:56:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512061253380.68073@vegeta.city-net.com>

Dear Mr. McShite,

Were you planning on SHARING that website?  Or just cleverly keeping it a
secret in hopes of driving up the price?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Aenus McShite wrote:

>   Perhaps you should check out this website and consider making them
>   yourself. If you do not choose to go that route, perhaps you could
>   contact the author of that site and engage him to make them for you or
>   suggest an advanced hobbyist/entrepenuer who would take on the job for
>   a modest figure.
>   Good Luck
>   Aenus McShite


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec  6 10:51:45 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:51:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <200512061700.jB6H04Vp001228@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051206202937.00a7dcc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hi the Lists,

         Thanks for the answers to the "mystery clamps" - "sky hooks - 
muffler bearing puller - pipe stretchers" etc. Luckily I do not think that 
you all come from Montana <grin> but if you believe "boomerangs" were 
invented in Africa you may believe anything !!
         Roland Craven replied within an hour with the correct answer (and 
today "derek" also gave the correct answer).
         They are floorboard clamps (or cramps depending on which side of 
the pond you are speaking from - I always thought that a "cramp" was a pain 
in the A***) and are used by attaching to the bearer plank (I think some of 
you call them "joists")  and then the floorboard is pressed tight against 
the previous one prior to nailing.


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  6 16:49:13 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:49:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <062e01c5fac9$b58219a0$1ea4f504@x8h7l9>

The key here is the frequency of 3000 Hz. We usually think of Aluminum as
non-magnetic but at a 3KHz ( if that is the right number for aluminum), the
magnetic field produces a lot of heat by rapidly reversing the magnetic
field in the metal.  When I was going to school, I worked at an Alcoa
extrusion plant in the summer. Big ingots of aluminum were put in an
induction heater to get them hot before they were put in the chamber of a
2,000,000 pound extrusion press to be squirted thru a die.

The commercial power went to a big power supply that provided the high
frequency for the induction coil. The motor generator may be an over
simplification as a 4 pole 60 Hz motor would have to drive a 200 pole
generator unless the generator was excited at some high frequency. And they
are using this for stove tops now days?

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>
> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>
>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop,
etc.
> Good luck with everything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:34:55 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:34:55 +0000
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512060934h25d8e267v56ec1d324c6ff0cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, James Wiley <jlwiley123 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog
> or extra springs laying around, so here goes:

Just a suggestion, but in a similar situation I try and find
applications that would use a similar item but not necessarily in an
engine.

We have small spring makers over here in the UK that could probably do
that size with no problem, in fact, Redditch used to be the centre of
spring making in the UK at one time, but many companies have gone now
as stuff gets made in the far east, you know the story by now.....

I'm in a similar position with the turret locking spring on one of our
Ward capstan lathes, and it looks like a hydraulic valve block might
have the spring I need :-))

Peter



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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Dec  6 17:54:44 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:54:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>


Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between the coils.
J.B. Castagnos



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Dec  6 19:02:55 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:02:55 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <20051207030301.470E1262D55@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi JB. Can you take the form and slice it twice down through it length wise?
You will end up with 3segments which you can remove the center segment
collapsing the two outer barrel shaped sides. Just an idea. Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:55 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] More springs


Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped
spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have an
idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you can't
get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack disc on
a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between the
coils.
J.B. Castagnos

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec  6 20:21:57 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051206231534.03cc8008@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:54 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:

>Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped 
>spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have 
>an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you 
>can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack 
>disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between 
>the coils.
>J.B. Castagnos

Hi J.B.,
         How long does it take to wind a spring? If not too long then wind 
it around ice and then sit back and have a beer. If it takes a bit longer 
wind it around wax and then melt the wax. Or you could wind it around a 
piece of soft wood and then burn the wood out (balsa comes to mind.) The 
derivations seem endless, but hell, I've never wound a spring!
         Dave 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Dec  7 02:39:15 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:39:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
Message-ID: <120720051039.4914.4396BBD2000B29990000133221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Craig,
If you need any leathers for your pump contact me off list.  I have a very 
large supply of brand new old stock, just about every size needed...plus.
Curt Andree


>     Hi all,
>             I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by goulds.The 
> pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 brass pistons 
> are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
>             The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at 
> Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of pump or 
> its age would be very useful as would anything about the manufacturer.
> 
>         Thanks in advance,
>                                      Craig in a very wet Scotland
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec  7 03:32:43 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 6:32:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4hc0eu$1fd6cmo@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>


>
> Hi JB. Can you take the form and slice it twice down through it length wise?
> You will end up with 3segments which you can remove the center segment
> collapsing the two outer barrel shaped sides. Just an idea. Jimmy O'>

 Thanks Jim, when making open springs like valve springs I cut a coarse thread on the form to use as a guide when winding, spinning the form in the lathe. I tried freehand but the results showed in the spring, the guide gives uniform spacing. The lateral cuts would make it difficult to hold together and turn in the lathe.
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec  7 03:42:42 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 6:42:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>


>          How long does it take to wind a spring? If not too long then wind 
> it around ice and then sit back and have a beer. If it takes a bit longer 
> wind it around wax and then melt the wax. Or you could wind it around a 
> piece of soft wood and then burn the wood out (balsa comes to mind.) The 
> derivations seem endless, but hell, I've never wound a spring!
>          Dave 
> 
Thanks Dave, ice doesn't last very long down here, wax and balsa would be too soft.  We have been discussing this locally, and lead and babbit were mentioned, but it would require making a new form each time, I want to do eight. Because of the barrel shape the guide threads will have to be cut while controlling the depth by hand, although not critical as in regular threads it would be time consuming to make eight. Then there's the possibility of softening the spring when heating to melt the form out. Just wondering how the factory did this in 1906.
J.B. Castagnos


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec  7 06:49:41 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:49:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051207064655.01c0b4b0@mail.pennswoods.net>

It may be possible to make the barrel shape then cut it in two or four 
sections before winding. For easyer removal
R Fink
PA




At 08:54 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped 
>spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have 
>an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you 
>can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack 
>disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between 
>the coils.
>J.B. Castagnos
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec  7 07:06:27 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:06:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4hc0eu$1fd6cmo@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051207070413.01c0ee90@mail.pennswoods.net>

Put it back together with WATER base glue when done soak  in water.





At 06:32 AM 12/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:

> >
> > Hi JB. Can you take the form and slice it twice down through it length 
> wise?
> > You will end up with 3segments which you can remove the center segment
> > collapsing the two outer barrel shaped sides. Just an idea. Jimmy O'>
>
>  Thanks Jim, when making open springs like valve springs I cut a coarse 
> thread on the form to use as a guide when winding, spinning the form in 
> the lathe. I tried freehand but the results showed in the spring, the 
> guide gives uniform spacing. The lateral cuts would make it difficult to 
> hold together and turn in the lathe.
>J.B. Castagnos
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Dec  7 04:32:21 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:32:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
Message-ID: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have lost 
for a rare engine, MOPAT.
I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can not 
find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 05:00:38 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:00:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <2a5.14961e6.30c836f6@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:21:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:

<< Put it back together with WATER base glue when done soak  in water. >>

Richard,

So does water based glue dissolve in water once it sets up?  May be good 
information for future use.



Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 05:05:34 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:05:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
Message-ID: <2bf.c60bc1.30c8381e@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
not 
 find the bastards  >>


Keep looking Peter.  They are there somewhere and it comes with old age!  
Been there and done that!  One of the bolts holding a tree saw blade on the 
extension handle came out.  Took off the blade and remaining bolt, gave to wife to 
pick  up a couple of shoulder bolts in town like that one, which she did.  The 
bolts are still in a bag on dresser for lack of finding the blade in the 
shop!  Things like that do not leave the shop on their own accord!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 05:56:17 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:56:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051206231534.03cc8008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051206231534.03cc8008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4396EA01.3060109@imc-group.com>

Dave, J.B.,
This is pure speculation but is it possible these barrel shaped springs 
are not would on a mandrel at all?

Being in the copper rod casting business I have the opportunity to go to 
the annual wire show on occasion. There are all kinds of equipment there 
designed to process wire the thickness of a hair to as heavy as 2" in 
diameter.

One of the machines I am most enamored with is used to make thinks like 
coat hangers and other wire product shapes. Wire on large spools is fed 
into the machine via strong  feed rolls. The wire is fed out of a 
central iris. Around this iris are rollers, blocks and other forming 
tools. Imagine this wire being fed out and there is a tool on one side 
slightly in the path of the wire which is trying to go straight. The 
wire will hit this tool and will be pushed to the side. Now the wire 
will no longer travel straight out of the iris. In fact, depending on 
the amount of interference the wire will curl and for a perfect circle 
that will wrap back on itself. Now if you move this tool off of 
centerline a little you will still form a circle, but it will not wrap 
back on itself but rather it will form a helix. Keep pushing the wire 
out for a dozen rounds and voila' you have a spring formed without the 
use of a mandrel.

Now if you can make an adjustment to how far the tool is moved in and 
out, in otherwords control the amount the tool is pushing on the wire, 
then you should be able to vary the radius of the curve being formed. 
Push the tool in to form a tight radius, pull it out to form a larger 
radius, and then back in again to make the tight radius again. Now you 
have made a barrel spring.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> At 08:54 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped 
>> spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone 
>> have an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped 
>> form you can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so 
>> far is to stack disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and 
>> remove the disc between the coils.
>> J.B. Castagnos
>
>
> Hi J.B.,
>         How long does it take to wind a spring? If not too long then 
> wind it around ice and then sit back and have a beer. If it takes a 
> bit longer wind it around wax and then melt the wax. Or you could wind 
> it around a piece of soft wood and then burn the wood out (balsa comes 
> to mind.) The derivations seem endless, but hell, I've never wound a 
> spring!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 06:03:30 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:03:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <2bf.c60bc1.30c8381e@aol.com>
References: <2bf.c60bc1.30c8381e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4396EBB2.50603@imc-group.com>

Tom,
A local engine buddy was working on an engine and put some parts in a 
box and put it in a "safe" place so he could easily find them again. 
That was 1969 and he is still looking for that box of parts!

List lurker Tommy Berry placed one of the pinion gears for his Rumley 
lightweight in the machine shop for safekeeping. He can't find it to 
this day. He even offers a $50 bounty to the one who can come in and 
find it in his shop. You know as soon as he has another one hobbed, 
he'll find the originals!

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:
>
><< I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
>not 
> find the bastards  >>
>
>
>Keep looking Peter.  They are there somewhere and it comes with old age!  
>Been there and done that!  One of the bolts holding a tree saw blade on the 
>extension handle came out.  Took off the blade and remaining bolt, gave to wife to 
>pick  up a couple of shoulder bolts in town like that one, which she did.  The 
>bolts are still in a bag on dresser for lack of finding the blade in the 
>shop!  Things like that do not leave the shop on their own accord!
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 06:36:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:36:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV21F2B6849B5A37B4F370CABB430@phx.gbl>

  Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti


Thanks fer looking
RickinMt.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec  7 07:16:37 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:16:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512070951090.83620@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi JB,

One alternative would be to use low-melting point alloys like Cerro-Indium
or Cerro-Bismuth.  They're commercially available and are used for fusable
links, fixturing parts for machining, etc.  They have melting points in
the range of 117-200 deg. F.  The disadvantage, as you've observed, is
that you need to make the forms.  At least removing the forms wouldn't
damage the springs and the material is reusable.  You might even find a
local machine shop that had some they would loan you.
One source is McMaster-Carr http://www.mcmaster.com/
Part number 8921K12.

As to cutting the grooves by hand, do you have any buddies with access to
a profile lathe?  That could solve that problem (once you've made a
master pattern).

You can also have fun with this stuff.  Cut the bowl off a spoon and use
the alloy to rejoin the two pieces.  Then give the trick spoon to a buddy
with a cup of "strong" coffee.  The natural reply to his shocked look when
his spoon "dissolves" is, "Gee, it usually doesn't take that long."

BTW JB, when you DO find out how they wound these barrel springs back in
1906, please let us know!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

> Thanks Dave, ice doesn't last very long down here, wax and balsa would
> be too soft.  We have been discussing this locally, and lead and babbit
> were mentioned, but it would require making a new form each time, I want
> to do eight. Because of the barrel shape the guide threads will have to
> be cut while controlling the depth by hand, although not critical as in
> regular threads it would be time consuming to make eight. Then there's
> the possibility of softening the spring when heating to melt the form
> out. Just wondering how the factory did this in 1906.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 07:42:54 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:42:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <2ba.1acef1e.30c85cfe@aol.com>

Rick,

Any name/numbers on the anvil?  

Would the baffle go in with the pointed side towards the entrance of the of 
the exhaust, so that when the exhaust hits it is dispersed towards the sides of 
the muffler?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Dec  7 07:46:17 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:46:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <4396EBB2.50603@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <200512071546.jB7FkTGf055101@mail-gw.fsr.net>

There you go, the sure-fire way for finding something.  :-)

It happens to me all the time.  ;-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas

You know as soon as he has another one hobbed, 
he'll find the originals!

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec  7 11:26:53 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:26:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <2a5.14961e6.30c836f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051207112625.01c0d100@mail.pennswoods.net>

Yes it will.
R Fink





At 08:00 AM 12/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:21:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:
>
><< Put it back together with WATER base glue when done soak  in water. >>
>
>Richard,
>
>So does water based glue dissolve in water once it sets up?  May be good
>information for future use.
>
>
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  7 05:06:03 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:06:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
References: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <003f01c5fb2e$fa8f4d50$230110ac@PAUL>

Peter, the last time I saw them they were in a small box at the left end of 
the shop under the work table, there was a larger box setting on them. Let 
me know if you find them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas


> What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have 
> lost for a rare engine, MOPAT.
> I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
> not find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  7 11:24:36 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:24:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
References: <BAY109-DAV21F2B6849B5A37B4F370CABB430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <042c01c5fb63$dd789b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I would be interested to know if it makes any difference to the exhaust note
and performance by reversing it.
The one in my Jewel is flat.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle


>  Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti
>
>
> Thanks fer looking
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  7 11:41:50 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:41:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
Along with my reply.
Reg

<<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right thing to
others. And helping others!
Seems I am wrong here!!
So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
Reg & Marg Ingold.>>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Southside Assembly of God" <ssag at uci.net>
To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
Subject: RE: re Help


> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked through
> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous emails 
> and
> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your interest 
> is
> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
> relationship
> with the Lord.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Margo Cartwright
> Administrative Assistant
> Southside Assembly of God
> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
> Bend OR  97702
> Ph:  541-389-4749
> Ph:  541-383-3250
> Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
> Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
> Subject: re Help
>
>
> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
> I have never received a reply.
>
> <<Dear sir,
> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
> treatment
> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of people
> to advertise the way things are.
> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings with 
> a
> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct leaves a 
> lot
> to be desired.
> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>
> <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob Bromps 
> way
> back.
> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally ignored
> all mail sent by me since.
> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that were
> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
> ordered
> from him had been sent.
> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the return of
> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back in 
> March
> that paid for the order.
> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust the 
> word
> of this man, then you are fools.
> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
> taking
> the time to read this. >>
>
> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer my 
> plea
> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and I am
> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
> purchasers
> of these engines after I have built them..
> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were paid 
> for
> back in March 05.
> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>
>
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
>
> 




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 12:05:19 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:05:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <410-22005123720519748@earthlink.net>


cupped side down towards the intake pipe.

> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/7/2005 8:36:45 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
>
>   Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 12:15:42 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:15:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>

Reg,
Exactly why did you send this to the list(s)? Since you are now blocked 
from the ssag server are you suggesting that the 100's of us on these 
lists all send dozens of emails to the Southside Assembly of God 
requesting Bromps send your flywheels? That could make a hell of a mess 
out of their server! That would be very un-Christian like. :-)
Curt Holland
P.S. Just let us know and we'll gladly do so!
P.S. If we each use a different letter in the beginning of the subject 
line (a "subject", b "subject", z "subject") this will entertwine with 
all their other emails (preventing a sort) and force them to manually 
delete them all individually.


R & M Ingold wrote:

> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
> Along with my reply.
> Reg
>
> <<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right 
> thing to
> others. And helping others!
> Seems I am wrong here!!
> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" 
> <ssag at uci.net>
> To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
> Subject: RE: re Help
>
>
>> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked 
>> through
>> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous 
>> emails and
>> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your 
>> interest is
>> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
>> relationship
>> with the Lord.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Margo Cartwright
>> Administrative Assistant
>> Southside Assembly of God
>> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
>> Bend OR  97702
>> Ph:  541-389-4749
>> Ph:  541-383-3250
>> Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
>> Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>> Subject: re Help
>>
>>
>> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>> I have never received a reply.
>>
>> <<Dear sir,
>> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
>> treatment
>> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of 
>> people
>> to advertise the way things are.
>> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings 
>> with a
>> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct 
>> leaves a lot
>> to be desired.
>> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>
>> <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob 
>> Bromps way
>> back.
>> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally 
>> ignored
>> all mail sent by me since.
>> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that 
>> were
>> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
>> ordered
>> from him had been sent.
>> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the 
>> return of
>> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back 
>> in March
>> that paid for the order.
>> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust 
>> the word
>> of this man, then you are fools.
>> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
>> taking
>> the time to read this. >>
>>
>> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer 
>> my plea
>> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and 
>> I am
>> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
>> purchasers
>> of these engines after I have built them..
>> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were 
>> paid for
>> back in March 05.
>> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Dec  7 12:17:39 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:17:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051207221709.00b1a3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         This one is for the Aussies.
I'm doing artwork for a 3 HP Buzacott Plate but do not have the exact size 
I have put a rough drawing here 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/buzacott.gif> to show what I need. Can 
someone help please.
         Hey you Aussies gave us quite a hiding at cricket yesterday - 
really spoilt my day but there is always a next time. <Grin or maybe Grrr.>

Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Dec  7 12:40:54 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:40:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <200512071700.jB7H03Fo031773@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200512072241750.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 07/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 15
>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:32:21 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
>
>What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have lost
>for a rare engine, MOPAT.
>I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can not
>find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
>Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter,
         I know the problem. I have a goblin or gremlin in my workshop who 
hides things away while I'm not looking. Only difference is that he does 
not wait 3 years - he does it immediately.
         I step out of the workshop for a minute to answer the phone or 
something and he makes the part I had in my hand disappear. He does not do 
it with common sized bolts and suchlike - only hard to come by parts.


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 12:56:06 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:56:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>
References: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43974C66.5000906@imc-group.com>

Hi all,
With in minutes of sending this email to the lists I received this from 
George Best requesting we hold off flooding their servers with emails 
requesting Bromps send Reg his flywheels. George asks we wait just a 
little longer to see if his diplomatic efforts work before doing 
something like this. Here is the note from George.

Curt,

I can't post to the list(s) from work at the moment, so maybe you can
pass this on.

Please don't start sending messages to the church.

A couple of us are in the process of trying to get the flywheels picked
up from Bob Bromps, and I'd rather people waited till we've determined
that Bob needs more incentive to deliver the flywheels.

George



Curt wrote:

> Reg,
> Exactly why did you send this to the list(s)? Since you are now 
> blocked from the ssag server are you suggesting that the 100's of us 
> on these lists all send dozens of emails to the Southside Assembly of 
> God requesting Bromps send your flywheels? That could make a hell of a 
> mess out of their server! That would be very un-Christian like. :-)
> Curt Holland
> P.S. Just let us know and we'll gladly do so!
> P.S. If we each use a different letter in the beginning of the subject 
> line (a "subject", b "subject", z "subject") this will entertwine with 
> all their other emails (preventing a sort) and force them to manually 
> delete them all individually.
>
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>
>> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
>> Along with my reply.
>> Reg
>>
>> <<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right 
>> thing to
>> others. And helping others!
>> Seems I am wrong here!!
>> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
>> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
>> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" 
>> <ssag at uci.net>
>> To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
>> Subject: RE: re Help
>>
>>
>>> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked 
>>> through
>>> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous 
>>> emails and
>>> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your 
>>> interest is
>>> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
>>> relationship
>>> with the Lord.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Margo Cartwright
>>> Administrative Assistant
>>> Southside Assembly of God
>>> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
>>> Bend OR  97702
>>> Ph:  541-389-4749
>>> Ph:  541-383-3250
>>> Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
>>> Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>>> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>>> Subject: re Help
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>>> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>>> I have never received a reply.
>>>
>>> <<Dear sir,
>>> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
>>> treatment
>>> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>>> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of 
>>> people
>>> to advertise the way things are.
>>> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his 
>>> dealings with a
>>> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>>> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct 
>>> leaves a lot
>>> to be desired.
>>> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>>> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>> <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob 
>>> Bromps way
>>> back.
>>> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>>> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally 
>>> ignored
>>> all mail sent by me since.
>>> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, 
>>> that were
>>> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
>>> ordered
>>> from him had been sent.
>>> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the 
>>> return of
>>> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back 
>>> in March
>>> that paid for the order.
>>> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>>> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust 
>>> the word
>>> of this man, then you are fools.
>>> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>>> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
>>> taking
>>> the time to read this. >>
>>>
>>> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer 
>>> my plea
>>> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>>> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>>> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me 
>>> and I am
>>> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
>>> purchasers
>>> of these engines after I have built them..
>>> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were 
>>> paid for
>>> back in March 05.
>>> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>>> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>>> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec  7 13:08:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:08:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>

What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and why is this being posted to the list? 

If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere else.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
> Along with my reply.
> Reg
> 
> <<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right thing to
> others. And helping others!
> Seems I am wrong here!!
> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Southside Assembly of God" <ssag at uci.net>
> To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
> Subject: RE: re Help
> 
> 
> > The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked through
> > your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous emails 
> > and
> > has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your interest 
> > is
> > of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
> > relationship
> > with the Lord.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Margo Cartwright
> > Administrative Assistant
> > Southside Assembly of God
> > 60670 Brookswood Blvd
> > Bend OR  97702
> > Ph:  541-389-4749
> > Ph:  541-383-3250
> > Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
> > Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
> > To: pastor at ssagbend.com
> > Subject: re Help
> >
> >
> > Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
> > problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
> > I have never received a reply.
> >
> > <<Dear sir,
> > I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
> > treatment
> > I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
> > I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of people
> > to advertise the way things are.
> > Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings with 
> > a
> > lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
> > Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct leaves a 
> > lot
> > to be desired.
> > You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
> > Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
> >
> > <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob Bromps 
> > way
> > back.
> > He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
> > requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally ignored
> > all mail sent by me since.
> > Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that were
> > ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
> > ordered
> > from him had been sent.
> > So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the return of
> > the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back in 
> > March
> > that paid for the order.
> > IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
> > I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust the 
> > word
> > of this man, then you are fools.
> > He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
> > Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
> > taking
> > the time to read this. >>
> >
> > I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer my 
> > plea
> > for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
> > I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
> > I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and I am
> > in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
> > purchasers
> > of these engines after I have built them..
> > Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were paid 
> > for
> > back in March 05.
> > Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
> > I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
> > Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reg & Marg Ingold.
> > Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 13:17:31 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:17:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20051207211732.26988.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

This is a fine kettle of fish.  I suppose  that the good Reverend of SSAG is thinking..."....if God wanted Reg to  have those wheels, He would have provided those wheels, etc.".   God moves in strange ways, especially where flywheels are involved. :-)
  JM

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:  Reg,
Exactly why did you send this to the list(s)? Since you are now blocked 
from the ssag server are you suggesting that the 100's of us on these 
lists all send dozens of emails to the Southside Assembly of God 
requesting Bromps send your flywheels? That could make a hell of a mess 
out of their server! That would be very un-Christian like. :-)
Curt Holland
P.S. Just let us know and we'll gladly do so!
P.S. If we each use a different letter in the beginning of the subject 
line (a "subject", b "subject", z "subject") this will entertwine with 
all their other emails (preventing a sort) and force them to manually 
delete them all individually.


R & M Ingold wrote:

> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
> Along with my reply.
> Reg
>
> <
> thing to
> others. And helping others!
> Seems I am wrong here!!
> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" 
> 
> To: "R & M Ingold" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
> Subject: RE: re Help
>
>
>> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked 
>> through
>> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous 
>> emails and
>> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your 
>> interest is
>> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
>> relationship
>> with the Lord.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Margo Cartwright
>> Administrative Assistant
>> Southside Assembly of God
>> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
>> Bend OR  97702
>> Ph:  541-389-4749
>> Ph:  541-383-3250
>> Email:  ssag at uci.net 
>> Web:  www.ssagbend.com 
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>> Subject: re Help
>>
>>
>> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>> I have never received a reply.
>>
>> <
>> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
>> treatment
>> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of 
>> people
>> to advertise the way things are.
>> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings 
>> with a
>> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct 
>> leaves a lot
>> to be desired.
>> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>
>> <
>> Bromps way
>> back.
>> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally 
>> ignored
>> all mail sent by me since.
>> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that 
>> were
>> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
>> ordered
>> from him had been sent.
>> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the 
>> return of
>> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back 
>> in March
>> that paid for the order.
>> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust 
>> the word
>> of this man, then you are fools.
>> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
>> taking
>> the time to read this. >>
>>
>> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer 
>> my plea
>> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and 
>> I am
>> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
>> purchasers
>> of these engines after I have built them..
>> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were 
>> paid for
>> back in March 05.
>> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec  7 13:37:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:37:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <20051207211732.26988.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207211732.26988.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512071635300.83620@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Reg & all,

> God moves in strange ways, especially where flywheels are involved. :-)

Blessed are they who go around in circles for they shall be known as
Big Wheels.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 14:20:19 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:20:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>

Hi ???

This is actually VERY relevant to stationary engines.  Bob Bromps was 
paid to supply COMPLETE casting sets to  a world-renowned model maker, 
Reg Ingold.  He has consistently failed to do so, despite receiving FULL 
payment and numerous promptings from Reg.
As Reg is in Australia, Bob Bromps in the USA, Reg can't exactly turn up 
on his doorstep to demand the goods for which he has paid.
He is therefore exploring every avenue open to him to get the goods, 
including sharing his bad experience with the lists as a warning to 
anyone else who might consider buying castings from this source.
I hope this explains the situation.

Dolly
(Flame Mistress)


mullt at att.net wrote:

>What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and why is this being posted to the list? 
>
>If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere else.
>
>  
>
-- 
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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 15:04:54 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:04:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512071635300.83620@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051207230454.67170.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

The Wheel in the sky keeps on turning...
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  G'day Reg & all,

> God moves in strange ways, especially where flywheels are involved. :-)

Blessed are they who go around in circles for they shall be known as
Big Wheels.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  7 15:15:19 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:15:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
	<43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00bb01c5fb84$1826ad90$230110ac@PAUL>

Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their money 
sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on this issue.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help


> Hi ???
>
> This is actually VERY relevant to stationary engines.  Bob Bromps was paid 
> to supply COMPLETE casting sets to  a world-renowned model maker, Reg 
> Ingold.  He has consistently failed to do so, despite receiving FULL 
> payment and numerous promptings from Reg.
> As Reg is in Australia, Bob Bromps in the USA, Reg can't exactly turn up 
> on his doorstep to demand the goods for which he has paid.
> He is therefore exploring every avenue open to him to get the goods, 
> including sharing his bad experience with the lists as a warning to anyone 
> else who might consider buying castings from this source.
> I hope this explains the situation.
>




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Dec  7 15:36:12 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:36:12 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
	<43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005401c5fb87$06895f30$729281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I agree with you Jim. Now bloody Xmas cards and pictures of snow, well that 
is of no relevance.GO for it Reg.!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help


> Hi ???
>
> This is actually VERY relevant to stationary engines.  Bob Bromps was paid 
> to supply COMPLETE casting sets to  a world-renowned model maker, Reg 
> Ingold.  He has consistently failed to do so, despite receiving FULL 
> payment and numerous promptings from Reg.
> As Reg is in Australia, Bob Bromps in the USA, Reg can't exactly turn up 
> on his doorstep to demand the goods for which he has paid.
> He is therefore exploring every avenue open to him to get the goods, 
> including sharing his bad experience with the lists as a warning to anyone 
> else who might consider buying castings from this source.
> I hope this explains the situation.
>
> Dolly
> (Flame Mistress)
>
>
> mullt at att.net wrote:
>
>>What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and 
>>why is this being posted to the list?
>>If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere 
>>else.
>>
>>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Dec  7 15:38:45 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:38:45 +0800
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
References: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<003f01c5fb2e$fa8f4d50$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <006a01c5fb87$612ea210$729281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

So it was you Paul...creeping around my workshop,do you by chance know Bob 
Bromps?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas


> Peter, the last time I saw them they were in a small box at the left end 
> of the shop under the work table, there was a larger box setting on them. 
> Let me know if you find them.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:32 AM
> Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
>
>
>> What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have 
>> lost for a rare engine, MOPAT.
>> I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
>> not find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  7 15:56:02 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:56:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
References: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3><003f01c5fb2e$fa8f4d50$230110ac@PAUL>
	<006a01c5fb87$612ea210$729281cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <00dc01c5fb89$c7b3fc40$230110ac@PAUL>

Never heard of the guy Peter and by what I am reading I am better off for 
it. However that being said if there is anything I can do I will be happy to 
do it for Reg.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas


> So it was you Paul...creeping around my workshop,do you by chance know Bob 
> Bromps?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
>
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec  7 17:03:20 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:03:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B040
	49A03@att.net>
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051207195441.046099b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:08 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:
>What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and 
>why is this being posted to the list?
>If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere else.

Hi mullt at att.net ,
         Do you have a name? Do you know that it's proper protocol to sign 
posts to the List so that you can be identified? Do you know that water 
boils at 212 degrees F? Do you know that it freezes at 32 degrees F? Do you 
know that the ABC's start with the letter "A?" Do you know that the sum of 
2+2 is 4? Do you know that a lot of people on the List think that you have 
a cranial rectal inversion?
         Dave
PS, Have a GREAT day!
          



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 17:15:43 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:15:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <6a.6315a1a0.30c8e33f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2005 5:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fbi at insulate.co.uk writes:

<< (Flame Mistress) >>


And  as always a GREAT one at that!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec  7 17:37:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:37:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Seeking John Negley
Message-ID: <009e01c5fb97$f881b250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Does anyone have a phone number of John Negley in Gibsonburg, Ohio?
 
Thanks,
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  

 


From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 17:54:20 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:54:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051207221709.00b1a3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051208015420.65024.qmail@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Jerry

My plate size

width = 90mm, height = 60mm
Hole centre is 80 and is centre both W/H
Hope this helps

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ

PS. that was only a state side, we have just slammed
the Kiwi's and on our way back to do the same with you
lot 8-))

--- Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

> Hi The Lists,
>          This one is for the Aussies.
> I'm doing artwork for a 3 HP Buzacott Plate but do
> not have the exact size 
> I have put a rough drawing here 
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/buzacott.gif> to
> show what I need. Can 
> someone help please.
>          Hey you Aussies gave us quite a hiding at
> cricket yesterday - 
> really spoilt my day but there is always a next
> time. <Grin or maybe Grrr.>
> 
> Best Regards
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
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From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Dec  7 17:56:41 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:56:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
References: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <00e501c5fb9d$f178f300$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net>



> >
> Thanks Dave, ice doesn't last very long down here, wax and balsa would
be too soft.  We have been discussing this locally, and lead and babbit
were mentioned, but it would require making a new form each time, I want
to do eight. Because of the barrel shape the guide threads will have to
be cut while controlling the depth by hand, although not critical as in
regular threads it would be time consuming to make eight. Then there's
the possibility of softening the spring when heating to melt the form
out. Just wondering how the factory did this in 1906.
> J.B. Castagnos

Probably used a spring former. Basically it feeds wire out into a set of
rollers that can be adjusted like a slip roll. The tighter they are set
the smaller the spring. By having the adjusting system controlled by
different cams you can form just about any spring shape you would ever
want. By using two sets of rollers you can alter the coil spacing. This
is still how many springs are formed today.

How about making the mandrel out of stacked washers. Then turn them to
shape with them bolted tight. and a pin to lock them in alignment. Turn
the spring on them and then take the bolt out and slip the washers
through the coils.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Dec  7 18:20:26 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:20:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051207211919.02e96478@web1.nlenet.net>

You might point out (If you could reach the Pastor) that you were just 
working your way through step two of this portion of scripture

Mat 18:15- 17   Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and 
tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou 
hast gained thy brother.         But if he will not hear [thee, then] take 
with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses 
every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell 
[it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto 
thee as an heathen man and a publican.

This is not a fun part of being a pastor, but it certainty is a important part.

Frank




>R & M Ingold wrote:
>
>>Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
>>Along with my reply.
>>Reg
>>
>><<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right thing to
>>others. And helping others!
>>Seems I am wrong here!!
>>So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
>>Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
>>Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
>>Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" <ssag at uci.net>
>>To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
>>Subject: RE: re Help
>>
>>
>>>The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked through
>>>your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous emails and
>>>has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your interest is
>>>of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own relationship
>>>with the Lord.
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>
>>>Margo Cartwright
>>>Administrative Assistant
>>>Southside Assembly of God
>>>60670 Brookswood Blvd
>>>Bend OR  97702
>>>Ph:  541-389-4749
>>>Ph:  541-383-3250
>>>Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
>>>Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>>>To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>>>Subject: re Help
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>>>problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>>>I have never received a reply.
>>>
>>><<Dear sir,
>>>I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the treatment
>>>I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>>>I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of people
>>>to advertise the way things are.
>>>Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings with a
>>>lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>>>Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct leaves a lot
>>>to be desired.
>>>You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>>>Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>><<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob Bromps way
>>>back.
>>>He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>>>requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally ignored
>>>all mail sent by me since.
>>>Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that were
>>>ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I ordered
>>>from him had been sent.
>>>So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the return of
>>>the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back in March
>>>that paid for the order.
>>>IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>>>I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust the word
>>>of this man, then you are fools.
>>>He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>>>Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for taking
>>>the time to read this. >>
>>>
>>>I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer my plea
>>>for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>>>I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>>>I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and I am
>>>in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to purchasers
>>>of these engines after I have built them..
>>>Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were paid for
>>>back in March 05.
>>>Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>>>I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>>>Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 19:09:22 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:09:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NEW OT!
Message-ID: <4397A3E2.6070306@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Didn't get this posted last night. Today I had second thoughts after 
reading the mail. From the heart for a great bunch of folks.

http://frapa.us/Merry.html


-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  7 20:17:00 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:17:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NEW OT!
References: <4397A3E2.6070306@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003101c5fbae$8b2d4bd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

That sure looks pretty. We had 100+ yesterday so I can look and not shiver! 
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] NEW OT!


> Hi all,
>
> Didn't get this posted last night. Today I had second thoughts after 
> reading the mail. From the heart for a great bunch of folks.
>
> http://frapa.us/Merry.html
>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Dec  7 21:05:47 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:05:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <410-2200512485547562@coastalnet.com>

J. B.

Here is a patent for the process you describe:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=477525

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <jbcast at charter.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/8/2005 12:03:39 AM
> Subject: [SEL] More springs
>
>
> Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped
spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have
an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you
can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack
disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between
the coils.
> J.B. Castagnos





From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec  7 21:14:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <20051208.005210.576.14.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

I would say dome toward the engine for better flow of exhaust.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Dec  8 04:01:28 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:01:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young rally
Message-ID: <001101c5fbef$207dd480$7484dccb@oemcomputer>

I would like to congratulate 2 of our list members for there receiving of
legend in the hobby awards at the Young rally.They are Patrick for his
sharing of knowledge via the internet and Brock not sure of his award as I
wasn't at the presentations on the Saturday nigh maybe somebody can give us
some more info.These awards mean a great deal to those who are recognised in
this way in front of there pears.I along with Reg got awards at the last
Young rally and it was a real honour.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Dec  8 04:15:43 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 7:15:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4enjo0$1o5q53c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>



> This is pure speculation but is it possible these barrel shaped springs 
> are not would on a mandrel at all?
> 
> Being in the copper rod casting business I have the opportunity to go to 
> the annual wire show on occasion. There are all kinds of equipment there 
> designed to process wire the thickness of a hair to as heavy as 2" in 
> diameter.
> 
> One of the machines I am most enamored with is used to make thinks like 
> coat hangers and other wire product shapes. Wire on large spools is fed 
> into the machine via strong  feed rolls. The wire is fed out of a 
> central iris. Around this iris are rollers, blocks and other forming 
> tools. Imagine this wire being fed out and there is a tool on one side 
> slightly in the path of the wire which is trying to go straight. The 
> wire will hit this tool and will be pushed to the side. Now the wire 
> will no longer travel straight out of the iris. In fact, depending on 
> the amount of interference the wire will curl and for a perfect circle 
> that will wrap back on itself. Now if you move this tool off of 
> centerline a little you will still form a circle, but it will not wrap 
> back on itself but rather it will form a helix. Keep pushing the wire 
> out for a dozen rounds and voila' you have a spring formed without the 
> use of a mandrel.
> 
> Now if you can make an adjustment to how far the tool is moved in and 
> out, in otherwords control the amount the tool is pushing on the wire, 
> then you should be able to vary the radius of the curve being formed. 
> Push the tool in to form a tight radius, pull it out to form a larger 
> radius, and then back in again to make the tight radius again. Now you 
> have made a barrel spring.
> 
> Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
> Curt Holland

 Thanks Curt, this is how probably how they're produced today, I think Steve W. has an earlier machine.
J.B.



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec  8 06:05:53 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:05:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....
Message-ID: <43983DC1.3070704@imc-group.com>

Guys,
Before Thanksgiving I sent Starbolt an email looking for a couple of 
items for an engine. So far I have gotten no reply.
The email address I used came from their ad on Harry's and it is 
"starbolt4u at aol.com"

Is the correct address? Or are they off on vaction this time of year?
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec  8 06:55:50 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:55:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
References: <410-22005123720519748@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15433FF8529201ABC5B235BB420@phx.gbl>

Ok thanks Tim and guys...concave towards engine then,, is the way I take it.

Tom, I forget the manu. of the anvil..will look today.  Believe the number 
was 112 which didn't work for me on the coding of an anvil.  I'll weigh it 
today..always wanted to.

Reg..will try reversing and see if the note/report is different

Thanks again guys

MERRY CHRISTMAS
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle


>
> cupped side down towards the intake pipe.
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/7/2005 8:36:45 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
> >
> >   Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti
> >
> >
> > Thanks fer looking
> > RickinMt.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec  8 07:00:41 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:00:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>

What do you think?
On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
marbles would work as well as steel balls?
I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
it will be nearly $40!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Dec  8 07:26:02 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:26:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c5fb84$1826ad90$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>	<43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>
	<00bb01c5fb84$1826ad90$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4398508A.9070002@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Paul

I had an English teacher who taught us that when complaining, start off 
polite.  If that fails, give 'em both barrels!!!!!

Dolly

PS  I'm hoping that ??? got the message and won't require further treatment!

Paul Maples wrote:

> Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their 
> money sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on 
> this issue.
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec  8 08:00:27 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:00:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
References: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4398589B.2070904@scrtc.com>

Curt,
    Can't you get them in bronze from Hit and Miss, Lee Pederson or 
Starbolt?  One of those guys had them and they were inexpensive, about a 
buck.  I think marbles are a possiblity but if you are using them on a 
water pump, they may hammer the seat hard enough that they will chip.

    Or, go to ebay and buy this whole box of 1/2" stainless ball 
bearings and share them with all your list friends!

http://cgi.ebay.com/235-New-Ball-Mill-Stainless-Steel-Balls-Ball-Bearing_W0QQitemZ7569589445QQcategoryZ67033QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tommy Turner




> What do you think?
> On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
> it will be nearly $40!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  8 08:51:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:51:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
References: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051208114615.0448c0d0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>What do you think?
>On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
>marbles would work as well as steel balls?
>I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums it 
>will be nearly $40!
>Curt Holland

Hi Curt,
         I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down after 
time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of water 
in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic that 
saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck applications. 
They work just fine and cost me nothing.
         Dave 



From junque at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  8 10:50:53 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:50:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lister FR1 parts needed
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051208104821.02c81010@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>

Just acquired a Lister FR1 which needs some parts, inluding fuel 
filter & housing, aluminum valve cover and a few others I have yet to 
identify.  Am also looking for 'feet' as this engine was mounted in a 
frame.  A crank would be useful too as no ring gear or starter on 
this one.  Many thanks!




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 14:33:11 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:33:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <4398508A.9070002@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20051208223311.92944.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Helen,
   
  I like that.
  I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very politely.
  If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the ladder and say it again only much louder.  This works best mid-morning on Saturday.  The more shoppers around the better.
  It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms lately. 8>))
   
  Alan Bowen
  

Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
  Hi Paul

I had an English teacher who taught us that when complaining, start off 
polite. If that fails, give 'em both barrels!!!!!

Dolly

PS I'm hoping that ??? got the message and won't require further treatment!

Paul Maples wrote:

> Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their 
> money sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on 
> this issue.
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm


			
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From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Thu Dec  8 15:17:50 2005
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:17:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....
References: <43983DC1.3070704@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5fc4d$9be0a7c0$6401a8c0@ThinkPadA31p>

T606rr6w 533 chec2 when 5 ret4rn t6 the sh6* Tb
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....


> Guys,
> Before Thanksgiving I sent Starbolt an email looking for a couple of items 
> for an engine. So far I have gotten no reply.
> The email address I used came from their ad on Harry's and it is 
> "starbolt4u at aol.com"
>
> Is the correct address? Or are they off on vaction this time of year?
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 15:28:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:28:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <20051208223311.92944.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051208232801.26223.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

True enough.... the best way to get an expedient  appointment with the eye doctor is to suggest that you may well be  going blind.  Doing so allows one to jump the line, so to speak.  :-)
  Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease.  Sometimes it gets changed!
  JM

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Helen,
   
  I like that.
  I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is  to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very  politely.
 If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the  ladder and say it again only much louder. This works best mid-morning  on Saturday. The more shoppers around the better.
  It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms lately. 8>))
   
  Alan Bowen
  

Jim French  wrote:
  Hi Paul

I had an English teacher who taught us that when complaining, start off 
polite. If that fails, give 'em both barrels!!!!!

Dolly

PS I'm hoping that ??? got the message and won't require further treatment!

Paul Maples wrote:

> Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their 
> money sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on 
> this issue.
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm


   
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  8 17:24:24 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:24:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas
Message-ID: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>

Hi Gang, I know this is Off Topic but Hey!, this is Christmas. Thought I would share with you some of the wooden toys I have made to give to kids at Christmas who never get anything...........this is what Christmas is about isn't it.......giving and sharing. 

http://community.webshots.com/photo/519616794gTicmI


Merry Christmas to my all of my List Family!!!

Paul


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  8 17:38:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:38:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
References: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <74a05fcc9658d7deb730d4181a180705@chartertn.net>

If you get brass balls, you'll have to bring the engine inside in 
really cold weather.

John

On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Curt wrote:

> What do you think?
> On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
> it will be nearly $40!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec  8 17:56:32 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:56:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <74a05fcc9658d7deb730d4181a180705@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <4j4vqo$k3110@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au>

Very good!!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005 9:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls

If you get brass balls, you'll have to bring the engine inside in 
really cold weather.

John

On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Curt wrote:

> What do you think?
> On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
> it will be nearly $40!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec  8 17:57:56 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:57:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....
In-Reply-To: <002501c5fc4d$9be0a7c0$6401a8c0@ThinkPadA31p>
Message-ID: <018a01c5fc63$fabab8b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> T606rr6w 533 chec2 when 5 ret4rn t6 the sh6* Tb

T6mmy!  6n y6ur way t6 the sh6*, y6u'd better st6p 
by the c6mputer st6re t6 buy a new keyb6ard.

R6b





From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec  8 18:44:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:44:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>

I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
> >What do you think?
> >On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> >marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> >I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums it 
> >will be nearly $40!
> >Curt Holland
> 
> Hi Curt,
>          I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down after 
> time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of water 
> in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic that 
> saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck applications. 
> They work just fine and cost me nothing.
>          Dave 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec  8 18:46:27 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:46:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <20051208.215400.1340.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Curt,

Sounds good - But - I would think the glass marbles would 
break seal as the surface gets tiny scratches - chips - etc.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  8 19:28:39 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:28:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <410-22005125932839375@earthlink.net>

Hummm, tried the getting louder method a couple of years ago to a list
member who never did pay me for shipping on some hedge balls that I sent by
his request.  Never worked for me.

Tim Christoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/8/2005 4:34:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help
>
> Hi Helen,
>    
>   I like that.
>   I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is
to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very
politely.
>   If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the ladder and say
it again only much louder.  This works best mid-morning on Saturday.  The
more shoppers around the better.
>   It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms
lately. 8>))
>    
>   Alan Bowen
>   
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  8 20:09:03 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:09:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <5108a0fb5cd2e0dde6e93f06090e792d@chartertn.net>

Those toys you make are really cool, Paul!

John

On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Paul Maples wrote:

> Hi Gang, I know this is Off Topic but Hey!, this is Christmas. Thought 
> I would share with you some of the wooden toys I have made to give to 
> kids at Christmas who never get anything...........this is what 
> Christmas is about isn't it.......giving and sharing.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/519616794gTicmI


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 12:29:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:29:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister FR1 parts needed
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051208104821.02c81010@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051208104821.02c81010@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512081229j69fbbcfcqf12020401739304@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Robt <junque at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Just acquired a Lister FR1 which needs some parts, inluding fuel
> filter & housing, aluminum valve cover and a few others I have yet to
> identify.  Am also looking for 'feet' as this engine was mounted in a
> frame.  A crank would be useful too as no ring gear or starter on
> this one.  Many thanks!
>

The fuel filter was cast integrally with the block, if yours is
cracked then you'll have to seal it as the water jacket is the other
side.

Spares are almost non-existent, but strangely we have new cylinder
heads here, complete with valves and springs, but nothing else.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Fri Dec  9 00:52:53 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:52:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8
References: <200512081700.jB8H03eX030140@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00fc01c5fc9d$f1663700$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c5fb87$612ea210$729281cb at ogborneuah38i3>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
reply-type=response

So it was you Paul...creeping around my workshop,do you by chance know Bob 
Bromps?

Please don't keep me in suspense - Didja find'em??  8^)


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec  9 06:23:00 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:23:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.ne
	t>
References: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <3594.165.206.180.34.1134138180.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

not all of the ones I've dealt with - haven't you ever seen the rusty
ones? Some can and do rust so I don't assume.
Maybe there are different materials but I have some rusty ones here.


Bill
Runnells, IA


> I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>> At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>> >What do you think?
>> >On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that
>> >marbles would work as well as steel balls?
>> >I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums
>> it
>> >will be nearly $40!
>> >Curt Holland
>>
>> Hi Curt,
>>          I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down
>> after
>> time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of
>> water
>> in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic
>> that
>> saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck
>> applications.
>> They work just fine and cost me nothing.
>>          Dave
>>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec  9 06:44:38 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:44:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
References: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <43999856.6090208@imc-group.com>

Tom,
While there are certainly many SS bearings made for the food processing 
industry, I believe you'll find the vast majority of bearings are made 
of 52100 steel. That's 1% carbon steel and the only stuff that will let 
you get super hard Rc numbers. Typically around 50+ for bearings.
The higher the hardness the better the fatigue life.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

mullt at att.net wrote:

>I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>  
>
>>At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>What do you think?
>>>On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
>>>marbles would work as well as steel balls?
>>>I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums it 
>>>will be nearly $40!
>>>Curt Holland
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi Curt,
>>         I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down after 
>>time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of water 
>>in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic that 
>>saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck applications. 
>>They work just fine and cost me nothing.
>>         Dave 
>>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec  9 07:48:13 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:48:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <100.219f1393.30cb013d@aol.com>

Curt, 

Wonder of the heavy equipment places might have old bearings with these size 
balls that you could get for nothing?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec  9 08:09:53 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:09:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
References: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512091105290.19573@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

I think you'll find that the vast majority of ball bearings are high
carbon steel.  You need hardness on the order of RC 60+ to withstand the
contact stresses without deformation.  For some limited applications in
highly corrosive environments, you might see high carbon 400 series
stainless steels used.  But not typical 300 series stainless steels; those
are way too soft.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:

> I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.
> Tom in St. Louis



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 15:48:36 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:48:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Delco light plant
Message-ID: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got this today. If interested contact direct. Sounds like free to me.

> Hi
> I have a delco light plant and transfer switch here in Rochester NY. I 
> hate to just scrap it, maybe one of your members would be interested?

> Marc Hamilton  SeaMarc at aol.com



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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Dec  9 16:08:32 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:08:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>
References: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051209190708.033deb90@web1.nlenet.net>

Hi  I am 20 miles away and I need something to go with my Kohler light 
plant.  What have you got.

Frank DeWitt

At 06:48 PM 12/9/2005, Jeff Allen wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Just got this today. If interested contact direct. Sounds like free to me.
>
>>Hi
>>I have a delco light plant and transfer switch here in Rochester NY. I 
>>hate to just scrap it, maybe one of your members would be interested?
>
>>Marc Hamilton  SeaMarc at aol.com
>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec  9 18:46:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:46:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Etching Kwik Poly
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051209214311.02281710@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Several days ago I indicated that as soon as I got my K-P from Dale 
Portell I would try some muriatic acid on it to see if it would etch the 
K-P. I did, and it DOES NOT! Another good idea gone to hell!
	Dave 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Dec 10 03:52:09 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:52:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <001701c5fd80$282ce800$d284dccb@oemcomputer>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 10 06:38:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:38:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>

See: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
	Dave



From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Dec 10 14:50:16 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:50:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20051210225019.273D926467B@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Those are COOL, in any season. Nicely done.
It's something I wouldn't mind in my own office, actually. OK, so I'm a kid.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:24 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas

Hi Gang, I know this is Off Topic but Hey!, this is Christmas. Thought I
would share with you some of the wooden toys I have made to give to kids at
Christmas who never get anything...........this is what Christmas is about
isn't it.......giving and sharing. 

http://community.webshots.com/photo/519616794gTicmI


Merry Christmas to my all of my List Family!!!

Paul
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Dec 10 19:33:53 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:33:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] engine men (and wummen)
Message-ID: <003901c5fe03$c9449840$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

There are a lot of pics of engine folk here.
I think a lot of newer list members are not aware of this site.
I think its about time to bring it up to date.
Go to it lads!

http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec 10 23:02:31 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:02:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures 4 U
Message-ID: <001901c5fe20$dc7411d0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Here's some pictures from this afternoon.  It's sort of a dual-purpose event:
it's an excuse for the local hot rodders to come out and play and it directly
benefits a local charity. 
 
All the engines are stationary -- in that they're all parked.  Ours was the only
stationary engine -- but it was moving.  
 
http://wapaus.rustyiron.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=25
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  

 
 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 11 07:14:29 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:14:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Acquistion - Cushman Cub 2 HP
Message-ID: <1f8.17a374b7.30cd9c55@aol.com>

Hi List,
Yesterday, I picked up another engine.  It is a Cushman Cub -  2 HP.  It 
seems to be complete but, it does not run.  It is not stuck  and it has a WICO EK 
magneto without spark.  Since I am not too familiar  with this engine, I have 
several questions.
Questions are:
    1.  How is oil added to the  engine?
    2.  What is the correct oil level and  where is it checked?
    3.  How is the magneto  timed?
    4.  Is there a down loadable service  manual available?
    5.  Are there any good tips  I should know about this engine?
 
Thanks,  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 11 09:27:44 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:27:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Manns Green Bone Cutter
Message-ID: <1134322064.439c61904a81d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I just acquired a Mann's No.7 Green Bone Cutter that is a tribute to the
ability
of cast iron to resist years of rusting.  8-))

After sandblasting it will need to be painted.  Does anyone have info on what
color these were originally painted?

This is what it looks like mechanically.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-12.jpg
And these pages talk about the unique mechanical features.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-06.jpg
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-07.jpg

BTW if you're not familiar with the role these played in chicken & egg
production, the entire catalog makes for really interesting reading.
Ken has three of these bone cutter catalogs on his excellent web site.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's Kritters; some astonishing
photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec 11 11:36:37 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:36:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ken's Kritters
In-Reply-To: <1134322064.439c61904a81d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01c5fe8a$34e8ef70$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's 
> Kritters; some astonishing
> photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/
	

WOWZA!  

Ok, Ken.  Time to spill the beans.  The pictures are spectacular.  What kind of
hardware are you using to take those fancy pictures?  How close do you get to
your subjects before pushing the button?  What do you do for lighting?  

Rob




From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Dec 11 12:09:48 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:09:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: Ken's Kritters
Message-ID: <410-220051201120948718@coastalnet.com>

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the comments re my kritters.  These pictures were all taken
with the Nikon D70 DSLR and most of the macro/closeup shots were 
taken with the 200mm Micro Nikkor.  I recently got a 80-400 Nikkor
VR (vibration reduction) zoom which is taking some getting used to.  I
posted this picture to the Off topic list last night:
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/moon-cropped.jpg  I hope to get out 
and get some decent wildlife shots with this combo as soon as deer season
is over and the threat of getting shot is over;-)  I just found out we have
a
bunch of otters in the creek near us, so am looking forward to getting in
the canoe and checking them, out.

The macro shots are taken from pretty close quarters.  The minimum focusing 
distance with the Macro lens is about 10 inches which is a lot better than
the
shorter macro lenses.  Reduces the risk of bothering the kritters as well as
the chance of getting bit or stung.  Most of the lighting is natural, with
some
augmentation with the onboard flash.  I do need to get a good strobe, but
seem to feel the need for glass a little stronger.

This equipment isn't cheap, and I have had to sell a couple of cane mills
and
grist mills to help pay for them, but to me, it is well worth it.

Take care.

Ken




> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; Stationary Engine List
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/11/2005 2:37:02 PM
> Subject: Ken's Kritters
>
> > PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's 
> > Kritters; some astonishing
> > photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
> > http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/
> 	
>
> WOWZA!  
>
> Ok, Ken.  Time to spill the beans.  The pictures are spectacular.  What
kind of
> hardware are you using to take those fancy pictures?  How close do you
get to
> your subjects before pushing the button?  What do you do for lighting?  
>
> Rob
>
>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sun Dec 11 15:42:25 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:42:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
Message-ID: <002501c5feac$8a4d9f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

I just received a phone call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife, saying
that Arnie was operated on last week for brain cancer. Presently he is in rehab
and should be coming home in another week. After that he will have radiation 
and chemo treatments. Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and well known in
the engine world. I don't think he has ever missed a Portland show or swap meet.

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 12 03:41:29 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:41:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RE: Stover Engine Update
In-Reply-To: <121220051109.25604.439D5A7F0009DF6D0000640421979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051212114127.MQXQ18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There are some photos of the Stover tractors in Power in the Past Vol.3. The
early ones seem to have been a Stover engine fitted to a tractor chassis (a
bit like IHC did) but the later ones were a different design. I would not
mind either type in my shed ;)
Curt has been trying to convince me to bring my YC Stover reunion but I
think it is a little heavy to fit in my luggage!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


Hi John,
Yes Stover Mfg Co did make a limited quantity of tractors.  There is
supposed 
to be one on a farm around Freeport, Ill. but nobody can remember who owned 
it. One of the club elders told me about it some ten yrs back and he can't 
remember much as he is 96yrs now.  Sure would like to see one at our
reunion.
regards,
Curt Andree


> Did Stover make a tractor or just sell one?
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
> [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:14 AM
> To: Old eng list
> Subject: Stover Engine Update
> 
> Thought I might mention the upcoming "Stover Engine Reunion" being
> planned in 
> conjunction with the annual Stephenson County Antique Engine Show on
> 28,29 & 
> 30th of July 2006 in Freeport, Illinois  at the county fair grounds.
> Would like to see as many Stover engines,tractors and machinery as well
> as 
> collectibles brought to display.  More information to follow as we get
> closer 
> to the date.  Feel free to contact me via email,snail or phone for more
> info.
> Curt Andree
> 6419 Basswood Rd.
> McConnell, Illinois
> 815-868-2457
> cgandree at mschi.com
> cgandree at aol.com
> "Stovery Registry"
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Dec 12 12:06:22 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:06:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
Message-ID: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

hello all,, after about a zillion phone calls i was finally able to make an appointment to see the
KCS bridge engine this morning,,,,,,,,,,following a several hundred yard walk down the tracks on the bridge, and a 
harrowing climb up a 35 foot ladder overhanging the red river another 50 or 60 feet below the 
ladder, we reached the engine platform,,,, the engine is in about the condition one would expect
after decades and decades of open exposure to the elements,,, some parts missing, some broken,,the name tag is long gone,,,,, we think its a fairbanks n, has flywhees about 68 inches
in dia.,,,,,,
does anyone know where i can find pictures or diagrams of the fm n's , to confirm the make and hp size?
i am now, again, at the mercy of the rail road as to when we can retreive the engine, but will post any updates asap,,
many thanks,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 12 14:21:25 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:51:25 +1030
Subject: [SEL] joining
Message-ID: <000701c5ff6a$646cdf00$5bc08890@chaos>

because something has broken



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Dec 12 17:41:40 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:41:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Test
Message-ID: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com>

Is the server down?  I haven't received any SEL email for a  few days.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Mon Dec 12 19:39:32 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:39:32 EST
Subject: [SEL] Mail
Message-ID: <267.2425a8c.30cf9c74@aol.com>

I haven't seen any list e-mail today.  Is it just me?   Thanks.


From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec 12 23:21:43 2005
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:21:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] where is everybody
Message-ID: <001701c5ffb5$df00c420$0301a8c0@Young1203>

BlankIs it just me or is these no traffic lately??

Michael Young
5 Beech Crescent
Orange  NSW  2800
AUSTRALIA
http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines



From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Tue Dec 13 08:33:32 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:33:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <000901c60002$f51ad9b0$111f7546@mycomputer>

Is the list working??  I'm not getting anything..  Tom

From nick at holden1.net  Tue Dec 13 13:15:01 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:15:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] subscribe
Message-ID: <439F39D5.000007.23684@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 13:54:04 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:54:04 -0000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001c01c6002f$ce7efed0$37602f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

test 
time 21:54

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Dec 13 14:50:50 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:50:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer, not
even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used 
by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 15:17:09 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:17:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] Mailing list help
Message-ID: <20f.fbbb913.30d0b075@aol.com>

Please check to see that I'm on the mailing list.  I haven't received  
anything for a couple
days.  Thank you very much.
Fred Schultz


From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 19:07:50 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:07:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051209190708.033deb90@web1.nlenet.net>
References: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20051209190708.033deb90@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <439F8C86.3010304@earthlink.net>

I don't have it. Read the post, and FTR, the jerk put in on e-bay after 
I posted this.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Frank DeWitt wrote:

> Hi  I am 20 miles away and I need something to go with my Kohler light 
> plant.  What have you got.
>
> Frank DeWitt
>
> At 06:48 PM 12/9/2005, Jeff Allen wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got this today. If interested contact direct. Sounds like free 
>> to me.
>>
>>> Hi
>>> I have a delco light plant and transfer switch here in Rochester NY. 
>>> I hate to just scrap it, maybe one of your members would be interested?
>>
>>
>>> Marc Hamilton  SeaMarc at aol.com
>>
>>
>>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:13:26 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:13:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] - Test
In-Reply-To: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com>
References: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <439F8DD6.1030709@scrtc.com>

I haven't received anything either.  I got your message here in KY Francis.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Is the server down?  I haven't received any SEL email for a  few days.  
>
>Francis  Maciel
>Santa Maria, CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:16:33 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:16:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>

Dave,
   
I've seen some of Wendel's NEW BYB's sell on ebay for well over a 
hundred dollars.  Not bad when he'll send you one postpaid for $50 (I 
bought 2 as "spares").

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Tue Dec 13 19:24:35 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:24:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
Message-ID: <005c01c6005d$e80c3330$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Last Sunday I received a call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife, saying
the he was operated on for brain cancer last Wednesday. He is presently in rehab
and should be coming home soon.  Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and is
known by many in the engine world. A few years back Arnie and I bought approximately130 engines from a collector in North Dakota. He lives approximately 40 miles from Portland,
Indiana and probably has never missed a swap meet or show there in I don't know how many 
years.
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 19:43:20 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:43:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <439F94D8.9010102@earthlink.net>

And to think Arnie lost a case of the beer of his choice by turning down 
my bet. That one went for $110. Must be the season that brings these 
insane prices. Can't even snipe with insane bidders.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 19:46:38 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
	<439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <439F959E.6010800@earthlink.net>

Hi Tommy,

Is it the same BYB, or the new version I've heard about? Where would one 
purchase the new ones?

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Dave,
>   I've seen some of Wendel's NEW BYB's sell on ebay for well over a 
> hundred dollars.  Not bad when he'll send you one postpaid for $50 (I 
> bought 2 as "spares").
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>> See: 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>>
>>     Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Dec 13 19:50:52 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:50:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <BAY113-F13C18A1449658F790F96BAE7380@phx.gbl>

Since becoming the Customer Service Area Supervisor for Kohl's 2 1/2 years 
ago, I have also learned several techniques that seem to work for our 
customers.

Tried one this past week end to get Menards to replace a defective keosene 
heater Bill bought, it worked like a charm.

The guy told me they were out of them but that I could drive about 25 miles 
to get another.  I at first politely asked when they were expecting a new 
shippment, he told me some time after Christmas.  I then said that was 
unacceptable and why could they not just transfer one to my local store from 
Crystal Lake, IL.  Justin told me that he didn't know when that would take 
place either, so I started to take the defective heater and my receipt and 
just said I guess I would have to complain to corporate about the really 
poor customer service I had received from him, this was done on a very busy 
Sunday afternoon at the customer service desk which is right by the front 
door where ALL the customers enter the store.  Justin proceeded to take his 
cell phone to the other end of the counter, he was no longer talking to me.  
After his phone conversation he told the person behind the counter to return 
the defective heater and then "pre-pay" the one he was going to go get on 
Monday from Crystal Lake.  I got a phone call from the Department Manager 
Bill at about 6:00 PM on Monday to say the heater was in Palatine and I 
could pick it up any time.

So I guess I did learn something from our Kohl's customers.

I didn't used to be this way, but when he copped and attitude, that is when 
I played "nasty" customer back.

So it worked for me Tim, maybe I need to give seminars at Portland on how to 
get your way with most companies today??

Just joking!!

Happy Holidays!!!

Peg


>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:28:39 -0600
>
>Hummm, tried the getting louder method a couple of years ago to a list
>member who never did pay me for shipping on some hedge balls that I sent by
>his request.  Never worked for me.
>
>Tim Christoff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/8/2005 4:34:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help
> >
> > Hi Helen,
> >
> >   I like that.
> >   I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is
>to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very
>politely.
> >   If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the ladder and 
>say
>it again only much louder.  This works best mid-morning on Saturday.  The
>more shoppers around the better.
> >   It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms
>lately. 8>))
> >
> >   Alan Bowen
> >
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 13 20:19:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:19:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
References: <BAY113-F13C18A1449658F790F96BAE7380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012401c60065$de276b20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey Peg, ya wanna try getting my flywheels for me??
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help


> Since becoming the Customer Service Area Supervisor for Kohl's 2 1/2 years
> ago, I have also learned several techniques that seem to work for our
> customers.
>
> Tried one this past week end to get Menards to replace a defective keosene
> heater Bill bought, it worked like a charm.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 13 20:41:30 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <1134535290.439fa27aee889@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Bill,

If that engine is an N it's really worth saving!!  Did you take any pics while
you were up there?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Bill Boyce <bboyce at swat.coop>:

> hello all,, after about a zillion phone calls i was finally able to make an
> appointment to see the KCS bridge engine this morning




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Dec 13 20:51:31 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
Message-ID: <006d01c6006a$0eaeade0$6185dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi.Do any list people have a 3hp vertical air cooled Famous.I am after some
repo parts or drawings to make what I need.PARTS needed are: Fan,muffler and
timing lever.Any help or contacts would be much appreciated.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Dec 14 03:49:01 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:49:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] where is everybody
In-Reply-To: <001701c5ffb5$df00c420$0301a8c0@Young1203>
References: <001701c5ffb5$df00c420$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <43A006AD.2010502@comcast.net>

It could be the hacking/virus outbreaks (Sober?) that are being 
exploited in Sony/BMG's  >Now Recalled<  Rootkits. 52 CD's over the last 
7 Months....and all types:Billie Holiday,New groups,across the board. 
52!   They say nobody is taking the CD's back!

This could raise hell with the www.


From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Dec 14 03:54:26 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:54:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] - Test
In-Reply-To: <439F8DD6.1030709@scrtc.com>
References: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com> <439F8DD6.1030709@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43A007F2.3020702@comcast.net>

You all are coming through loud and clear,10-4.


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 04:20:07 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
Message-ID: <001701c600a8$b895ab40$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Subject: Arnie's Operation


Last Sunday I received a call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife, saying
the he was operated on for brain cancer last Wednesday. He is presently in rehab
and should be coming home soon.  Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and is
known by many in the engine world. A few years back Arnie and I bought approximately130 engines from a collector in North Dakota. He lives approximately 40 miles from Portland,
Indiana and probably has never missed a swap meet or show there in I don't know how many 
years.
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 14 04:22:11 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:22:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <439F959E.6010800@earthlink.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>	<439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>
	<439F959E.6010800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43A00E73.6040501@scrtc.com>

Jeff,
    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
the earlier one.  I've set the the old BYB and the new one side by side 
and compared photos and can't tell any difference in the quality.  You 
can contact Wendel directly and order one.  I don't have his address 
here on my home computer but I'm sure some of our SEL friends can 
forward it to you.  I can in a while after I get to the office and warm 
the computer up.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>
> Is it the same BYB, or the new version I've heard about? Where would 
> one purchase the new ones?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>   I've seen some of Wendel's NEW BYB's sell on ebay for well over a 
>> hundred dollars.  Not bad when he'll send you one postpaid for $50 (I 
>> bought 2 as "spares").
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>
>>> See: 
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>>>
>>>     Dave
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 04:23:27 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:23:27 -0500
Subject: Fw: [SEL] Manns Green Bone Cutter
Message-ID: <001f01c600a9$2fd02140$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

I aquired one several years ago out of a barn in NY and it was painted 
black. Also
one I saw in the Ford Museum was painted black.

Charlie Bryant


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Manns Green Bone Cutter


> Hi Folks,
>
> I just acquired a Mann's No.7 Green Bone Cutter that is a tribute to the
> ability
> of cast iron to resist years of rusting.  8-))
>
> After sandblasting it will need to be painted.  Does anyone have info on 
> what
> color these were originally painted?
>
> This is what it looks like mechanically.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-12.jpg
> And these pages talk about the unique mechanical features.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-06.jpg
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-07.jpg
>
> BTW if you're not familiar with the role these played in chicken & egg
> production, the entire catalog makes for really interesting reading.
> Ken has three of these bone cutter catalogs on his excellent web site.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/
>
> Thanks!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's Kritters; some 
> astonishing
> photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 14 04:29:56 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:29:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F266048725CDBFBCE7EA1E1C8380@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the update Bill. I've been wondering if there was any progress. I 
have a few pictures of a big Fairbanks, but don't know if it is a type N. 
The pictures are here

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason28.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason29.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason30.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===============================

>From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
>
>hello all,, after about a zillion phone calls i was finally able to make an 
>appointment to see the
>KCS bridge engine this morning,,,,,,,,,,following a several hundred yard 
>walk down the tracks on the bridge, and a
>harrowing climb up a 35 foot ladder overhanging the red river another 50 or 
>60 feet below the
>ladder, we reached the engine platform,,,, the engine is in about the 
>condition one would expect
>after decades and decades of open exposure to the elements,,, some parts 
>missing, some broken,,the name tag is long gone,,,,, we think its a 
>fairbanks n, has flywhees about 68 inches
>in dia.,,,,,,
>does anyone know where i can find pictures or diagrams of the fm n's , to 
>confirm the make and hp size?
>i am now, again, at the mercy of the rail road as to when we can retreive 
>the engine, but will post any updates asap,,
>many thanks,,
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Dec 14 05:15:56 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:15:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
not answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
trespassing if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
parties use those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 05:44:00 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:44:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <121420051344.15283.43A021A00005AACB00003BB321612436469B04049A03@att.net>

Peter,

I am in Missouri in the US. For years we have had a law that allowed people to put their names on a "no call list" to keep the telemarketers from calling. Several companies have been fined for violating the law and calling people who do not want to be called. I would start by calling your local elected representative and suggest they try to introduce such a law where you are.

The only other suggestion is to get caller ID on your telephone service. If you don't recognize the caller of the incoming call, don't answer.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer, not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used 
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 14 05:54:00 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:54:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <43A023F8.4000209@scrtc.com>

Bill,
    Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the 
Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state 
but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going 
after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an 
engine......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
>not answer it.
>
>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
>What a moron.
>
>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
>
>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
>parties use those here.
>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
>
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa
>
>  
>
>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
>>not
>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
>>Peter Ogborne
>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>West Australia
>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 05:55:31 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:55:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20051214135531.77814.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

We suffer in a similar fashion and Bill is correct...there ain't much you can do but swear and hang up.
  A lot of this intrusion originates in India. The companies train their indiginous people to speak in an "American" dialect.
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
not answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
trespassing if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
parties use those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 06:15:03 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:15:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <121420051415.9644.43A028E6000C202A000025AC21603760219B04049A03@att.net>

In Missouri, it is the state attorney general who pursues violators of the no call list. He has been very aggressive in going after them. It has been very effective, we rarely get telemarketing calls. If we do get them, we can tell the caller to put us on their no call list. If they call again, we can complain to the attorney general. If they get enough complaints, they will file a suit against the telemarketer.

When we do get a telemarketing call, if I tell them we are on the no call list, they usually apologize and quickly end the call.

Tom in St. Louis


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the 
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state 
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going 
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an 
> engine......
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> >Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
> >not answer it.
> >
> >It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
> >either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
> >call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
> >soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
> >What a moron.
> >
> >And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
> >trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
> >
> >Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
> >Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
> >and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
> >parties use those here.
> >You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
> >
> >Bill
> >Runnells, Iowa
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> >>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> >>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> >>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> >>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> >>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> >>not
> >>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> >>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> >>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> >>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
> >>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> >>Peter Ogborne
> >>Little Grove ,Albany
> >>West Australia
> >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >>jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Dec 14 06:19:08 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:19:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <43A023F8.4000209@scrtc.com>
References: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<43A023F8.4000209@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <2515.165.206.180.19.1134569948.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

"Yes, sir - I'll be right over, sir, thank you for calling sir"

:-)

How do you go after automated calls in which there is no contact info, no
caller ID and it's a one time thing? (or they keep changing locations and
messages)
They know darned well it's a pain to take the time and effort to take your
case to the state. They know few will ever pursue it.
You have to document the heck out of everything, exact times, messages,
etc. Who can or will do it?
Sort of like rebates, fewer than 15% ever actually complete the forms and
send them in.

Bill


> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an
> engine......
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
>>not answer it.
>>
>>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
>>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
>>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
>>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
>>What a moron.
>>
>>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
>>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
>>
>>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
>>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
>>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
>>parties use those here.
>>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
>>
>>Bill
>>Runnells, Iowa
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
>>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
>>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
>>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
>>> the
>>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
>>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
>>>not
>>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
>>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
>>> elephant
>>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
>>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
>>> used
>>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
>>>Peter Ogborne
>>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>>West Australia
>>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 06:34:56 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:34:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <121420051415.9644.43A028E6000C202A000025AC21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <000001c600bb$8f706530$6db85904@lyle0592c054dd>

I'm from Ohio and we do have a "DO NOT CALL LIST", when someone calls me and
try to sell me something even though it is not nice, I will buy every thing
they have to offer and spend as much time on the phone with them as I can. I
string them along and when we get down to the last part and they ask for my
credit card number then I hang up on them. This seems to work well for me as
it sure has cut the calls down after you do this a few times. They hate
having you waste their time by doing orders you do not want and they hate it
after they spend ten minutes selling you something thinking they have a sale
and you just go click.
Lyle 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of mullt at att.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:15 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

In Missouri, it is the state attorney general who pursues violators of the
no call list. He has been very aggressive in going after them. It has been
very effective, we rarely get telemarketing calls. If we do get them, we can
tell the caller to put us on their no call list. If they call again, we can
complain to the attorney general. If they get enough complaints, they will
file a suit against the telemarketer.

When we do get a telemarketing call, if I tell them we are on the no call
list, they usually apologize and quickly end the call.

Tom in St. Louis


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the 
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state 
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going 
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an 
> engine......
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> >Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
> >not answer it.
> >
> >It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
> >either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
> >call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
> >soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
> >What a moron.
> >
> >And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
> >trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
> >
> >Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
> >Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
> >and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
> >parties use those here.
> >You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
> >
> >Bill
> >Runnells, Iowa
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> >>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> >>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> >>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
the
> >>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> >>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> >>not
> >>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> >>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
elephant
> >>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> >>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
used
> >>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> >>Peter Ogborne
> >>Little Grove ,Albany
> >>West Australia
> >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >>jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 06:52:11 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:52:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2515.165.206.180.19.1134569948.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20051214145211.93096.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

There are a couple of "issues" with the phone call  scene.  One of which is that there is no "prevention" if you have  already an established relationship with the calling party or  company.  Another is that these callers are free to contact  businesses without any prohibition.  In other words, if "Bill"  (let's say) operates a motor repair shop as a business and has a  business-list phone number.  Even if poor ole' "Bill" is all by  himself in a drafty garage somewhere, he is "eligible" to be called by  a telemarketer and the "do not call" proceed does not "protect" him.
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  "Yes, sir - I'll be right over, sir, thank you for calling sir"

:-)

How do you go after automated calls in which there is no contact info, no
caller ID and it's a one time thing? (or they keep changing locations and
messages)
They know darned well it's a pain to take the time and effort to take your
case to the state. They know few will ever pursue it.
You have to document the heck out of everything, exact times, messages,
etc. Who can or will do it?
Sort of like rebates, fewer than 15% ever actually complete the forms and
send them in.

Bill


> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an
> engine......
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
>>not answer it.
>>
>>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
>>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
>>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
>>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
>>What a moron.
>>
>>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
>>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
>>
>>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
>>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
>>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
>>parties use those here.
>>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
>>
>>Bill
>>Runnells, Iowa
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
>>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
>>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
>>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
>>> the
>>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
>>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
>>>not
>>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
>>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
>>> elephant
>>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
>>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
>>> used
>>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
>>>Peter Ogborne
>>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>>West Australia
>>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>SEL mailing list
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 07:06:04 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:06:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <20051214135531.77814.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>

Only 2 ideas I have is let an answering machine "monitor" the calls &
only pick up if you want to talk to the caller or if I'm not mistaken
these calls are not allowed to cell phones?  Regular number gets them a
lot when I'm not home (usually busy when I'm home as I'm usually online)
& I don't recall ever getting one on the cell phone.

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James
Moran
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

We suffer in a similar fashion and Bill is correct...there ain't much
you can do but swear and hang up.
  A lot of this intrusion originates in India. The companies train their
indiginous people to speak in an "American" dialect.
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  Here I'd use caller ID and if they
don't let their ID come through, I'd
not answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm
not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
trespassing if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come
anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
parties use those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know
it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and
the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no
answer,
> not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
used
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this
problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From MBellar at aol.com  Wed Dec 14 07:42:04 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:42:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] famous
Message-ID: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>

Ed;
Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and they 
seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
 
Tom


From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 09:13:33 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:13:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <121420051713.9869.43A052BC000BBCED0000268D21587667559B04049A03@att.net>

In Missouri, they can call you if you already have a business relationship with them. But if I tell them to put us on their no call list, they have to do it and stop calling. I went through that with SBC sometime back. They kept calling even though I sent them a letter telling them to stop (yes I kept a copy). When they kept calling I complained to the state attorney general.

Several months later, I got a call from the attorney generals office asking me if I would give a deposition because they were suing SBC for violating the law. (SBC kept calling other people and they also complained). The case never went to court, SBC agreed out of court to pay a fine. AT&T got nailed too.

Most telemarkerters don't bother calling businesses. They can't get by the secretary (or whoever) to get to the person who makes the buying decisions. So they usually don't bother calling businesses. Try calling Microsoft to sell Bill Gates some siding for his house.

The no call list has worked very well in Missouri. I think the voters just need to get onto the politicians.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> There are a couple of "issues" with the phone call  scene.  One of which is that 
> there is no "prevention" if you have  already an established relationship with 
> the calling party or  company.  Another is that these callers are free to 
> contact  businesses without any prohibition.  In other words, if "Bill"  (let's 
> say) operates a motor repair shop as a business and has a  business-list phone 
> number.  Even if poor ole' "Bill" is all by  himself in a drafty garage 
> somewhere, he is "eligible" to be called by  a telemarketer and the "do not 
> call" proceed does not "protect" him.
>   JM
> 
> bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  "Yes, sir - I'll be right over, sir, thank you 
> for calling sir"
> 
> :-)
> 
> How do you go after automated calls in which there is no contact info, no
> caller ID and it's a one time thing? (or they keep changing locations and
> messages)
> They know darned well it's a pain to take the time and effort to take your
> case to the state. They know few will ever pursue it.
> You have to document the heck out of everything, exact times, messages,
> etc. Who can or will do it?
> Sort of like rebates, fewer than 15% ever actually complete the forms and
> send them in.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> > Bill,
> >     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the
> > Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state
> > but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going
> > after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an
> > engine......
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
> >>not answer it.
> >>
> >>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
> >>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
> >>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
> >>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
> >>What a moron.
> >>
> >>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
> >>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
> >>
> >>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
> >>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
> >>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
> >>parties use those here.
> >>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>Runnells, Iowa
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> >>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> >>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> >>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
> >>> the
> >>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> >>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> >>>not
> >>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> >>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
> >>> elephant
> >>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> >>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
> >>> used
> >>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> >>>Peter Ogborne
> >>>Little Grove ,Albany
> >>>West Australia
> >>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 10:32:18 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:32:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c600dc$b7651ce0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

I understand Don is presently recuperating from heart surgery but is home.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine (where it will soon be ice fishing time)



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To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> Ed;
> Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
they
> seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>
> Tom
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 23:52:07 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:52:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512132352r27c3752ajbd47e65b2eec4948@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> See:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
>         Dave
>

I did bid on the leather-bound & signed prsentation copy last week,
but it went over my limit ($310)  I did manage to pick up a mint 1983
embossed leatherette copy for $210 including airmail to the UK, so not
a bad 'consolation prize'.

Peter
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec 14 11:40:47 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:40:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
References: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <5e5d2b37a5db56e7e371b9a5294beb15@chartertn.net>

> if I'm not mistaken
> these calls are not allowed to cell phones?

True, but the calls are coming to cell phones nonetheless. Unsolicited 
ads to fax machines are forbidden, but still come. Antispam laws 
haven't stopped spam either.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Wed Dec 14 12:01:16 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:01:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <E1EmcoZ-0005S0-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	We installed a ZAPPER from Radio Shack.
It made a world of difference. It beeps when each
call is answered which indicates to the calling
computer that the number has been diconnected.
No more calls from that system. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:16 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd not
answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to call
anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like trespassing
if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls and
when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political parties use
those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is 
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and 
> the message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you 
> are in the bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no 
> answer, not even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been 
> the case[ my solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with 
> my pet elephant Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and 
> used by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this
problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Dec 14 12:40:15 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:40:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have contacted
many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <MBellar at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> Ed;
> Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
they
> seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>
> Tom
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Dec 14 13:29:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:29:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <5e5d2b37a5db56e7e371b9a5294beb15@chartertn.net>
References: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
	<5e5d2b37a5db56e7e371b9a5294beb15@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <3790.165.206.180.19.1134595760.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

When we had our store, we got ads to the FAX weekly, literally, from all
sorts including realestate companies and agents to people selling laser
printer toner, and those toner sales people are ruthless as they come when
spamming email, FAX, etc. Some have been to jail, they get out and do it
again.

Bill

>> if I'm not mistaken
>> these calls are not allowed to cell phones?
>
> True, but the calls are coming to cell phones nonetheless. Unsolicited
> ads to fax machines are forbidden, but still come. Antispam laws
> haven't stopped spam either.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Dec 14 13:43:35 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007301c600f7$6fdf38e0$4672a418@pengy>

Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an original?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
> can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have contacted
> many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MBellar at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
> Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>
>
>> Ed;
>> Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
> they
>> seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>>
>> Tom
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Dec 14 14:15:29 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:15:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
In-Reply-To: <007301c600f7$6fdf38e0$4672a418@pengy>
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>

If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also 
dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels 
and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp Vertical 
Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo leaver but 
it is yet to be machined

Russell


At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an original?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>
>
>>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
>>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have contacted
>>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
>>EDD PAYNE
>>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>>0263742387
>>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>>
>>
>>>Ed;
>>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
>>they
>>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 14:52:39 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:52:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT True Definitions of Tools (-:
Message-ID: <121420052252.13269.43A0A234000C5D98000033D521602810609B04049A03@att.net>

The True Definition Of Tools

DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted automobile part you were drying.

WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar calluses in about the time it takes you to say, "Ouch...."

ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age.

PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads.

HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes.

VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.

OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of.

WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes.

HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper.

EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward off a
hydraulic jack handle.

TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters.

PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor to see if he has a tool for getting dog **** off your boot.

E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps off in bolt holes you couldn't use anyway.

TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the tensile strength on everything you forgot to disconnect.

CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle.

AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.

TROUBLE LIGHT: The home mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, it's main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading.

PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads.

AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a Chicago pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last over-tightened 50 years ago by someone at Ford, and neatly rounds off their heads.

PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part.

HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses too short.

HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.

MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts -- also skin.

DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also the next tool that you will need.

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight, which somehow eases those pains and indignities following our every deficiency in foresight.

AMEN !!

Tom in St. Louis


From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Dec 14 15:38:26 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:38:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls...arkansas style
References: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <002801c60107$7ba81650$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

we have a no call law in arkansas, but when one does slip thru the cracks 
and gets to my phone, i sound very interested in their product, tell them i 
do want it, and if they can issue me credit until i recover from Chapter 7 , 
then i can pay them,,,,,,,,,, CLICK
bill boyce
lost prairie arkansas 




From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Dec 14 15:41:17 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:41:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
References: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
	<1134535290.439fa27aee889@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites to post them 
on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off list, just let me know
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update





From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Dec 14 15:45:12 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:45:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
References: <BAY103-F266048725CDBFBCE7EA1E1C8380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c60108$6e16ec40$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

thanks luke,,, although the bridge engine doesnt look near as big as the 
ones in your pics, it does have a lot of the same features, so maybe it is a 
"N"
bill boyce
lost prairie arkansas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:29 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] bridge engine update


> Thanks for the update Bill. I've been wondering if there was any progress. 
> I have a few pictures of a big Fairbanks, but don't know if it is a type 
> N. The pictures are here
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 16:08:46 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:08:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>	<1134535290.439fa27aee889@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A0B40E.9090704@earthlink.net>

Hi Bill,

Send em my way and I'll post them on my site for all to see.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Bill Boyce wrote:

> arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites to post 
> them on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off list, just let me know
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 16:11:30 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:11:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <00af01c6010c$1a674a50$15a8e104@OFFICELEW>

You can go to photobucket.com & set up a free album; then just post a
link.  Works great; I'm on a forum that this is the only to do pix. 

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update

arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites to post
them 
on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off list, just let me know
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec 14 16:37:52 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:37:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <009701c6010f$c9a21e20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites 
> to post them on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off 
> list, just let me know

Hiya Bill,
If you like, you can upload 'em to the photo gallery at 
http://www.wapa.us/gallery/index.php?cat=1

Rob





From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 18:12:38 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:12:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
References: <005c01c6005d$e80c3330$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43A06B0D.3020402@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000801c6011d$06436fc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

 Curt, I was thinking about our trip to Arnie's today. I haven't heard from
Pat
since Sunday His address is:  10751 N 600E
                                            Monroeville, IN  46773

Charlie







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's Operation


> Charlie,
> Could you send his snail addy?
>
> I'd like to drop him a note. I'm real fond of Arnie and I really enjoyed
> the trip you, Jim White, and I made to his place years ago.
> On of those places and people you'll never forget!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>
> >Last Sunday I received a call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife,
saying
> >the he was operated on for brain cancer last Wednesday. He is presently
in rehab
> >and should be coming home soon.  Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and
is
> >known by many in the engine world. A few years back Arnie and I bought
approximately130 engines from a collector in North Dakota. He lives
approximately 40 miles from Portland,
> >Indiana and probably has never missed a swap meet or show there in I
don't know how many
> >years.
> >
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 02:53:00 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink's website
Message-ID: <6f6025160512150253v73a8f79frf2c375d9f24d6f44@mail.gmail.com>

We have had confirmation from Ria Hammink today that she is happy for
John's site to remain on Oldengine.org indefinitely.

We will make the small changes required to take out John's email
address and a note to the affect that John has passed on.

I have sent a 'thank-you' note back to Ria.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Dec 15 02:43:09 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Pictures and engines
Message-ID: <200512151310859.SM01500@new.databak.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I wrote about pictures and editing them for web or eMail (Re: 
Norman pics  (Addition))
towards the end of last week but then my telephone went down and I could 
not log on to get mail and I also went away for 2 days. I've just got back 
and have not even had time to check all my mail yet. If there are any posts 
that need answers I will do so in the next day as soon as all is back to 
normal.

         I had a very successful trip with 2 friends down to the Karoo (a 
semi desert sheep farming area in central South Africa.) A Wolseley R type 
(from the mid 1920's) that I have spoken to a few of you about followed me 
home as well as an aircooled Petter genset (of military origin). Pics will 
follow soon.
         All in all we came back with the Wolseley and Petter, a Ruston & 
Hornsby size 2, about 5 other Petters (including a very early 
aircooled  twin cylinder horizontal , one Benford top (bogtop) and a few 
others), a Fairbanks 6HP, a Bamford, a Massey Harris/Cushman Cub, a Lister 
A, and 2 Alco gensets (also of military origin) plus a lot of other 
"goodies". What I would call a good haul.


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Dec 15 04:16:41 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:16:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com><003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Russel.Not sure that the hopper cooled and air cooled Famous engines have
a speed control.What they do have is a lever that is for the ign timing
which is on a quadrant.My engine has the quadrant but not the lever.So maybe
when I get my engine and see what is needed we can work it out.Now about the
muffler the on a 3hp is different entirely to a 2hp.The 2hp has a flat
pancake type muffler and the 3 hp has a muffler the same as a 3hp tank
cooled vertical.I discovered this by doing a search in my many parts books
and it shows it to be so.Now I have a spare original 3hp muffler so one down
two to go.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:15
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also
> dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels
> and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp
Vertical
> Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo leaver
but
> it is yet to be machined
>
> Russell
>
>
> At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an
original?
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> >
> >
> >>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
> >>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have
contacted
> >>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
> >>EDD PAYNE
> >>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >>0263742387
> >>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ed;
> >>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
> >>they
> >>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
> >>>
> >>>Tom
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >_______________________________________________
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>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 06:02:15 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:02:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
Message-ID: <144.52ea635f.30d2d167@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<<    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
 the earlier one. >>


Tommy,

I did the same thing when I received my new one and find both of high 
quality.  I think the folks bidding on the old ones are going by past selling prices 
before Charles had the new ones printed.  Like you I have set the new ones 
aside and maybe they will become valuable and can sell for retirement income!!  
HA!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 06:09:25 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:09:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <20c.ff44ed0.30d2d315@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/13/2005 10:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< my
 solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
 Abdullah ,he has gone off his food]. >>


Peter,

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they live, 
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have, tell 
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back anytime, and 
what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything except why 
they called. They stop after a while. One company persistently called for my 
son, but would not talk to me.  One day I told them not to call anymore as he 
was in prison for murder, running with the wrong crowd, etc.  Woman was very 
sorry to hear of my family problems, and never called again!   

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 06:22:33 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:22:33 EST
Subject: [SEL] Pictures and engines
Message-ID: <148.51cff51c.30d2d629@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/15/2005 6:27:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<< What I would call a good haul. >>

Jerry,

I would call that a GREAT haul!!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 15 06:43:39 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:43:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
Message-ID: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Good Heavens!    Anyone looked at this one?   

# 7570911901

A Maytag in Missouri with a few hours to go on the auction and at $400.00 !!!

Carl


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec 15 07:17:20 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:17:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
In-Reply-To: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43A18900.6050400@scrtc.com>

Carl,
    No telling what it will bring in the end.  MO was like KY, no one 
could afford a Maytag and used washboards.  A Maytag in MO is a RARE 
item.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Good Heavens!    Anyone looked at this one?   
>
># 7570911901
>
>A Maytag in Missouri with a few hours to go on the auction and at $400.00 !!!
>
>Carl
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Dec 15 10:20:10 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:20:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <20c.ff44ed0.30d2d315@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1EmxiL-0004Ja-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	A friend of mine some time back got tired of the unwanted
calls. He got a starter pistol and when the next call came, he 
listened and then calmly said," I just got out of the assylum
and was doing fine until you called. Now I'm a little upset and
I think it's not worth it anymore." He then fired the pistol and
dropped the phone - waited a short time and the hung up.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:09 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

In a message dated 12/13/2005 10:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< my
 solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
Abdullah ,he has gone off his food]. >>


Peter,

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they live,
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have, tell
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back anytime,
and what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything
except why they called. They stop after a while. One company persistently
called for my son, but would not talk to me.  One day I told them not to
call anymore as he was in prison for murder, running with the wrong crowd,
etc.  Woman was very 
sorry to hear of my family problems, and never called again!   

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Thu Dec 15 12:47:53 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:47:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003e01c601b8$d24c3de0$3775833e@amd>

Hi russel,
the quadrant is not for a speed lever, but it's the timing lever.
On our 2hp air-cooled it was missing too.
If you want you can make one from scrach (like my dad did) but it's allot of 
work
All of the timing stuff and the water pump was missing on our Famous too.
We were very lucky to find an original pump house for it!

Harry,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also 
> dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels 
> and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp 
> Vertical Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo 
> leaver but it is yet to be machined
>
> Russell
>
>
> At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an 
>>original?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
>>>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have 
>>>contacted
>>>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
>>>EDD PAYNE
>>>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>>>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>>>0263742387
>>>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ed;
>>>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
>>>they
>>>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paul at semidiesel.com  Thu Dec 15 15:50:20 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:50:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Atlas Imperial Diesels Need Home
In-Reply-To: <001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com><003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <43A2013C.7010507@semidiesel.com>

Hi,
Had an email from a guy in the US:-
............

I have a 1929
Fantail Yacht located in Los Angeles that has a pair of 120 hp Atlas
Imperials in their original condition.  My plan is to re-power and I am
looking for a group that is interested in the engines.
..........

If anyone is interested in the them contact Sean Connolly on
310-505-2004 or email Sean_Connolly at ppwinc.com

Cheers
Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 15:59:03 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:59:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <144.52ea635f.30d2d167@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi, The new version looks good but the quality of the binding and the covers
are cheap imitations of the earlier book. Leave them hidden, but don't start
using it. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:02 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!

In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<<    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
 the earlier one. >>


Tommy,

I did the same thing when I received my new one and find both of high 
quality.  I think the folks bidding on the old ones are going by past
selling prices 
before Charles had the new ones printed.  Like you I have set the new ones 
aside and maybe they will become valuable and can sell for retirement
income!!  
HA!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec 15 16:55:44 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:55:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43A21090.1040209@scrtc.com>

Hey Jimmy, I've got the old and new laying here side by side and I can't 
tell any difference in the binding or covers.  But, then again, I'm not 
a book maker....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>Hi, The new version looks good but the quality of the binding and the covers
>are cheap imitations of the earlier book. Leave them hidden, but don't start
>using it. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>Germoamer at aol.com
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:02 AM
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
>
>In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
><<    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
> the earlier one. >>
>
>
>Tommy,
>
>I did the same thing when I received my new one and find both of high 
>quality.  I think the folks bidding on the old ones are going by past
>selling prices 
>before Charles had the new ones printed.  Like you I have set the new ones 
>aside and maybe they will become valuable and can sell for retirement
>income!!  
>HA!
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>  
>




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 15 17:52:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:52:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Atlas Imperial Diesels Need Home
In-Reply-To: <43A2013C.7010507@semidiesel.com>
Message-ID: <017801c601e3$5206d020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

I'm on it Paul.  I've spoken with Sean and I think we can put a plan in motion.
This is very nice of you to bring this to our attention.

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com  



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 15 18:51:17 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:51:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
In-Reply-To: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa
	.earthlink.net>
References: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051215213010.047c4b68@mail.alltel.net>


>Good Heavens!    Anyone looked at this one?
># 7570911901
>A Maytag in Missouri with a few hours to go on the auction and at $400.00 !!!
>Carl

My Dear Carl,
         The final price of $515.96 for this joyful creation of Fred's was 
indeed a steal! I'm only surprised that it did not go for several times 
that artificially low price. These fine little motors have been a godsend 
for women through out the years and continue to make their work lighter 
even today. My own wife is a prime example of this labor saving invention. 
About 6 years ago I gave her a gasoline operated MAYTAG washer for X-mas. 
Each week that she has my dinner on the table at 6:00 sharp every evening 
(after she finishes her daytime job) I allow her to use the MAYTAG to wash 
the weeks clothes Monday nights. If for one or more nights in a week dinner 
is not on the table at 6:00 sharp I deny her the use of the MAYTAG and she 
must use the scrub board.
         This has benefited both of us greatly! The benefit to me is that 
most weeks dinner is on the table at 6:00 sharp every night. The benefit to 
her is that her hands are not nearly so red as they were before I was 
generous enough to buy her the MAYTAG! That makes her VERY happy--and as 
the old saying goes, "a happy wife is much easier to control!"
         So don't be shocked when one of these creations of Fred's goes for 
a fair price on e-bay. Just rest assured that some loving husband is simply 
trying to make his wife happy!
         Dave
PS, You might want to take a look at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html 



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Fri Dec 16 00:23:34 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:23:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 11
References: <200512151700.jBFH04GG005064@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <018701c6021a$024ace60$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they live,
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have, tell
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back anytime, 
and
what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything except 
why
they called.


Asking what colour underwear they're wearing is another good one ...... 8^)




Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable! 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 15 17:34:17 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, Santa
Message-ID: <43A21999.60906@earthlink.net>

About 1.8 Meg download and grainy. Put a much needed smile on my face 
this evening. Enjoy if you care to.

http://frapa.us/SantaClaus.wmv

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 15 20:15:25 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
Message-ID: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,
http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Dec 16 02:12:24 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:12:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
In-Reply-To: <001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051216210003.00bc4ae0@mail.ncable.com.au>

My error there Edd. Yes both engines run a quadrant and timming control 
lever. They are also identical parts for both air cooled and hopper cooled 
engines. Part number G6945 is the quadrant which suits both engines. I 
found this info after searching through some gear I had packed away. They 
are starting instructions & parts lists for both types of engines (photo 
copies). I will look forward to hearing from you Edd on whether or not your 
engine has the quadrant. Would be more than happy to use bits of mine to 
help with the same in turn.

Could be good timing Edd; as my parts are going cross country in a couple 
of weeks to Pauls so it should not be to hard to get them to a foundry etc.

Page 246 of wendles shows a hopper cooled engine and mentions "These 
engines were basically the same as the vertical air-cooled models"  Your 
engine Edd could most deffinately come in handy for comparing notes.
Russell


At 11:16 PM 15/12/2005 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Russel.Not sure that the hopper cooled and air cooled Famous engines have
>a speed control.What they do have is a lever that is for the ign timing
>which is on a quadrant.My engine has the quadrant but not the lever.So maybe
>when I get my engine and see what is needed we can work it out.Now about the
>muffler the on a 3hp is different entirely to a 2hp.The 2hp has a flat
>pancake type muffler and the 3 hp has a muffler the same as a 3hp tank
>cooled vertical.I discovered this by doing a search in my many parts books
>and it shows it to be so.Now I have a spare original 3hp muffler so one down
>two to go.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:15
>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>
>
> > If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also
> > dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels
> > and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp
>Vertical
> > Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo leaver
>but
> > it is yet to be machined
> >
> > Russell
> >
> >
> > At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an
>original?
> > >
> > >Rick
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> > >
> > >
> > >>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
> > >>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have
>contacted
> > >>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
> > >>EDD PAYNE
> > >>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > >>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > >>0263742387
> > >>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
> > >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
> > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Ed;
> > >>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
> > >>they
> > >>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
> > >>>
> > >>>Tom
> > >>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>SEL mailing list
> > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
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> > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 15 20:33:34 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:33:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
Message-ID: <004201c601f9$e06c3470$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

if this works, here are the pictures i took on the bridge in shreveport, louisana, monday morning,, can anyone identify this engine and size? the flywheels are appx 68 inches in dia.
http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
i tried posting  this to the list  earlier. but i;m not sure it worked, i;m trying again, so forgive me if it gets posted twice
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 15 20:57:03 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:57:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
References: <00af01c6010c$1a674a50$15a8e104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <000a01c601fd$2842d4e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

thanks lew, i've posted them to photobucket, hope it works
bill 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] bridge engine update


> You can go to photobucket.com & set up a free album; then just post a
> link.  Works great; I'm on a forum that this is the only to do pix. 
> 
>



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 15 16:57:43 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:57:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <E1EmxiL-0004Ja-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <000001c601db$bce3d030$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Had a window company that continued to call.  After about the 6th call
of telling them to quit calling and how I wasn't interested, I finally
agreed to have their salesman to come out and give his presentation.
When they asked for directions, I set them on a wild goose chase ending
up some 30 miles from my house.  

They have never called back!

Chuck Emsweller
Clarksburg, In
KA9ZOP

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Willman
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:20 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

	A friend of mine some time back got tired of the unwanted
calls. He got a starter pistol and when the next call came, he 
listened and then calmly said," I just got out of the assylum
and was doing fine until you called. Now I'm a little upset and
I think it's not worth it anymore." He then fired the pistol and
dropped the phone - waited a short time and the hung up.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:09 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

In a message dated 12/13/2005 10:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< my
 solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
elephant
Abdullah ,he has gone off his food]. >>


Peter,

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they
live,
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have,
tell
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back
anytime,
and what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything
except why they called. They stop after a while. One company
persistently
called for my son, but would not talk to me.  One day I told them not to
call anymore as he was in prison for murder, running with the wrong
crowd,
etc.  Woman was very 
sorry to hear of my family problems, and never called again!   

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 15 19:07:12 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:07:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <144.52ea635f.30d2d167@aol.com>
	<20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051215215348.048b7bc8@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:59 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, The new version looks good but the quality of the binding and the covers
>are cheap imitations of the earlier book. Leave them hidden, but don't start
>using it. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan

And additionally they were NOT published in 1983! Nuf said!
         Dave 



From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Dec 16 16:21:28 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:21:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000f01c6029f$d2ef46b0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>



From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 16 13:32:04 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:32:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
Message-ID: <16979731.1134768724481.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Cough, choke  (from the exhaust smoke!)

Closed at $515.96     Yeah, guess it must be damned RARE!!   :o)

Carl

-----Original Message-----
>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2005 9:17 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] eBay Maytag
>
>Carl,
>    No telling what it will bring in the end.  MO was like KY, no one 
>could afford a Maytag and used washboards.  A Maytag in MO is a RARE 
>item.....
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 16 17:08:59 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:08:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
In-Reply-To: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A3652B.3050104@scrtc.com>

Bill,
    Great photos.  Yeah, that's a big N.  I would say about a 25 HP.  
Its a throttler model, not a hit and miss.  I think they went to 8 spoke 
flywheel at about 30 HP.  Sadly, it looks like the thieves have hit it 
pretty hard.  I can tell its missing the exhaust valve box, fuel pump, 
ignitor, ignitor trip, carb, throttle linkage, intake spring and cover, 
air start pump, air pump cut off, mag, rod bearing, oilers, and probably 
a few smaller items.  Its still worth saving if you can get it off their 
economically.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,
>http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 16 17:17:28 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:17:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c601fd$2842d4e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <009301c602a7$a66a34d0$981de304@OFFICELEW>

Works great!  I like the pix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lew


Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update

thanks lew, i've posted them to photobucket, hope it works
bill 
 

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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Dec 16 19:18:09 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:18:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
References: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <002101c602b8$84cd4180$9c44e5d8@gary>

Bill, the pics are great!  I understand, from the development in the area,
why you wanted to be sure to have permission before you went up there.

A question for the list:  How did they start this engine when needed?  Send
someone up to spin the flywheels?  Was it started remotely?  There are hand
levers to apparently engage the gearing.  I presume it raised the rail
bridge to allow boat/ship passage.  Is the bridge a lift bridge or a swing
bridge?  I think I would want a lot of time to start that thing with a large
boat coming up or down stream.

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted


lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,
http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 17 05:34:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:34:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
In-Reply-To: <43A3652B.3050104@scrtc.com>
References: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
	<43A3652B.3050104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1134826453.43a413d58c955@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

I'm with Tommy on this one; definitely worth saving!!  There are N's out there
that can be used as a source of parts to get duplicated.  Rick Rowlands is
getting pretty good at doing castings.

One thought for you to consider...  When you talk to the railroad next, see if
you can track down the folks that ran the bridge engine.  It's just possible
that the missing parts (or some of 'em) might be in storage somewhere nearby. 
It might also be worthwhile talking to some of the local folks that live around
that bridge.

Granted it's a long shot, but if you find some of the parts...

GOOD LUCK!!  And keep us posted as you get deeper into the project!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pitsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>     Great photos.  Yeah, that's a big N.  I would say about a 25 HP.  
> Its a throttler model, not a hit and miss.  I think they went to 8 spoke 
> flywheel at about 30 HP.  Sadly, it looks like the thieves have hit it 
> pretty hard.  I can tell its missing the exhaust valve box, fuel pump, 
> ignitor, ignitor trip, carb, throttle linkage, intake spring and cover, 
> air start pump, air pump cut off, mag, rod bearing, oilers, and probably 
> a few smaller items.  Its still worth saving if you can get it off their 
> economically.




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec 17 05:54:57 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:54:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
In-Reply-To: <004201c601f9$e06c3470$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <01f201c60311$785f0ba0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> if this works, here are the pictures i took on the bridge in 
> shreveport, louisana, monday morning,, can anyone identify 
> this engine and size? the flywheels are appx 68 inches in dia.
> http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
> i tried posting  this to the list  earlier. but i;m not sure 
> it worked, i;m trying again, so forgive me if it gets posted twice

Hi Bill,
Thanks for sharing those pictures.  The whole contraption is fantastic with the
engine and gear box all together like they are.  Now I understand why you
couldn't get up there unnoticed.  

Rob




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 17 07:44:36 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:44:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
Message-ID: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.

See ya,  Arnie

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378

-----------------------------------------------------------------
NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
Item number: 7731747378
Current bid: US $215.00
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
5-day listing
Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST

Summary
****; 1908; ****;
;Catalog # D-11
64 PAGES !
Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly preserved New Way
Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss treasure!
Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications. 
Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside of this
64
page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40 graphics alone.
The inside looks "new" - never used!;
New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline, Benzine
Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec 17 08:38:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:38:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
References: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV166C25572DFE3EEDB9D005BB3D0@phx.gbl>

Yes there is Arn..and the jerk won't send me a pix for the graphics.  I've 
stopped bidding, hopefully one on the list will get it and be more friendly. 
Money didn't talk here.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)


> Hi Folks,
>
> There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
> Item number: 7731747378
> Current bid: US $215.00
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
> 5-day listing
> Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST
>
> Summary
> ****; 1908; ****;
> ;Catalog # D-11
> 64 PAGES !
> Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly preserved 
> New Way
> Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss treasure!
> Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications.
> Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside of 
> this
> 64
> page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40 graphics 
> alone.
> The inside looks "new" - never used!;
> New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
> Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline, Benzine
> Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 17 09:43:16 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:43:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
Message-ID: <410-2200512617174316734@earthlink.net>

I've got that one Rick and many others, still need to get a copy sent to
you.  Hell, the way those things have been going lately (in fact all New
Way stuff) I might just have to start selling.

Tim Christoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/17/2005 10:38:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
>
> Yes there is Arn..and the jerk won't send me a pix for the graphics. 
I've 
> stopped bidding, hopefully one on the list will get it and be more
friendly. 
> Money didn't talk here.
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Old_Engine" 
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:44 AM
> Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
>
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > View this Item on eBay at
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
> > Item number: 7731747378
> > Current bid: US $215.00
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
> > 5-day listing
> > Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST
> >
> > Summary
> > ****; 1908; ****;
> > ;Catalog # D-11
> > 64 PAGES !
> > Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly preserved 
> > New Way
> > Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss
treasure!
> > Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications.
> > Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside
of 
> > this
> > 64
> > page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40
graphics 
> > alone.
> > The inside looks "new" - never used!;
> > New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
> > Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline,
Benzine
> > Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 17 10:03:11 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:03:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
In-Reply-To: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051217130239.0cffd008@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:44 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
>See ya,  Arnie
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378

And a really great price as well!
         Dave 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec 17 10:19:03 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:19:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
References: <410-2200512617174316734@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV10A5B84B0D250B22EA1C5EBB3D0@phx.gbl>

Thank you Tim!!!!  I guess there's an upside to not buying it as the catalog 
might not show the graphics on the other side.

  The Gal Man thinks the same way you do..He's gonna send his daugter to 
college with what he's got.

Take Care
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)


> I've got that one Rick and many others, still need to get a copy sent to
> you.  Hell, the way those things have been going lately (in fact all New
> Way stuff) I might just have to start selling.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/17/2005 10:38:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
> >
> > Yes there is Arn..and the jerk won't send me a pix for the graphics.
> I've
> > stopped bidding, hopefully one on the list will get it and be more
> friendly.
> > Money didn't talk here.
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> "Old_Engine"
> > <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:44 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
> >
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
> > >
> > > See ya,  Arnie
> > >
> > > View this Item on eBay at
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
> > > Item number: 7731747378
> > > Current bid: US $215.00
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
> > > 5-day listing
> > > Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST
> > >
> > > Summary
> > > ****; 1908; ****;
> > > ;Catalog # D-11
> > > 64 PAGES !
> > > Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly 
> > > preserved
> > > New Way
> > > Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss
> treasure!
> > > Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications.
> > > Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside
> of
> > > this
> > > 64
> > > page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40
> graphics
> > > alone.
> > > The inside looks "new" - never used!;
> > > New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
> > > Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline,
> Benzine
> > > Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 
> > 12/16/2005
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 17 14:53:19 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:53:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Field Engine Gas Valves on eBay
Message-ID: <1134859999.43a496dfe1d7d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

There's a couple of gas valves for oil field engines on eBay; one 1/2" and one
1".  I emailed the seller and he said both were diamond-opening valves.

View the item description here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7573253196

View the item description here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7573254212

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 17 15:33:44 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:33:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Another manual online
Message-ID: <43A4A058.3090805@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

One more manual online courtesy of Francis Maciel. This one is for the 
Wico EK mags. Always willing to put any original manual you scan online. 
Manuals are here:

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Manuals/Manuals.html

Jeff
freezing cold and snow here. Brrrr!***
*

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From yostsw at atis.net  Sat Dec 17 16:31:34 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:31:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Outage
In-Reply-To: <005201c6030c$7ad5f150$5b186544@toshiba>
References: <000001c602cd$c9591e90$70ee480c@DeanOffice>
	<005201c6030c$7ad5f150$5b186544@toshiba>
Message-ID: <200512171931340843.0529DC2D@heavyiron.atis.net>

We had a great little ice storm late this week.  No power for 30 hours,
backup power only last 4-6 hours; so the result was inevitable (-;  As my
Dad would:  "Them ropes don't meet"

Many apologies for the outage,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 17 17:08:03 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:08:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Outage
In-Reply-To: <200512171931340843.0529DC2D@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <20051218010803.46005.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Alternatively...
  "That dog won't hunt"
  JM

Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:  We had a great little ice storm late this week.  No power for 30 hours,
backup power only last 4-6 hours; so the result was inevitable (-;  As my
Dad would:  "Them ropes don't meet"

Many apologies for the outage,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Sat Dec 17 18:25:35 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:25:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 12
References: <200512171700.jBHH05A0014729@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <009f01c6037a$5451d3a0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:25 -0600
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted

lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,

Well done Bill!

GREAT job for a first effort!


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Dec 17 21:25:10 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:25:10 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <19b.424a54cb.30d64cb6@aol.com>

Hi List,
Well, I got my Christmas present a little ahead of time this  year.  The 
Cushman, I picked up last week end, is now running.  I have  to thank Bert (my 
local magneto repairman) and Ron Haskell.    Bert let me borrow his Wico EK 
factory service manual to copy.  Ron  explained how to retard the spark for 
starting.  The Wico was disassembled  to clean the points and to install a new 
condenser (.10 mfd @ 600 volts -  mylar).  The Wico now produces a nice blue spark.  
However, I still  need to install lubricating strips (felts) on the upper and 
lower  surfaces of the moving point deck.  
In addition, the fuel tank was a mess and had to be cleaned.   Question - is 
there a check valve in the fuel pickup tube?  If so, where is  it located?



Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Dec 17 22:14:01 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:14:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <20051217.221401.1064.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi  Francis.  Glad to hear you got it running.  Yes there is a check
valve on the end of the copper line, it screws into the cast iron tank.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:25:10 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
> Hi List,
> Well, I got my Christmas present a little ahead of time this  year.  
> The 
> Cushman, I picked up last week end, is now running.  I have  to 
> thank Bert (my 
> local magneto repairman) and Ron Haskell.    Bert let me borrow his 
> Wico EK 
> factory service manual to copy.  Ron  explained how to retard the 
> spark for 
> starting.  The Wico was disassembled  to clean the points and to 
> install a new 
> condenser (.10 mfd @ 600 volts -  mylar).  The Wico now produces a 
> nice blue spark.  
> However, I still  need to install lubricating strips (felts) on the 
> upper and 
> lower  surfaces of the moving point deck.  
> In addition, the fuel tank was a mess and had to be cleaned.   
> Question - is 
> there a check valve in the fuel pickup tube?  If so, where is  it 
> located?
> 
> 
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 02:07:53 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:07:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Original Otto Internal Combustion Engine Fuel
Message-ID: <43A534F9.9070907@comcast.net>

http://chemcases.com/fuels/fuels-02.htm


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 03:05:30 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:05:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
Message-ID: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>

Just a polite message to those who post on both of the lists:

Snipping unwanted and unnecessary sections of emails and posts, 
including the sig sections and the parts added by both Lists' software
should be a de factor part of every-day usage for ALL of you, not just
those who take the trouble.

Adding jpeg images to your sig may look good to you, but it also adds
to the download time for those on dial-up and serves absolutely no
purpose in this email-based environment. I don't know how that
started, but we have a couple of regulars here that have it on their
sig lines.

Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't
want to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be
used for email.

Take the trouble to READ what is posted, and then read it again!  So
many misunderstandings occur becuase folks think they read something
into a post which just wasn't there. We've all done it, just THINK
before hitting the 'send' button.

Basic courtesy should be extended to everyone, not just your mates on
the Lists.

Peter (acting Dolly stand-in)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Dec 18 06:10:08 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:10:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>

And if I may add another request to our list etiquette, consider adding to
your signature line to tell us where you're from.  I picked this habit up
myself from a nudge on this or some other list a few years back.  And with
the international membership, be sure to include your country.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:06 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming

Just a polite message to those who post on both of the lists:

Snipping unwanted and unnecessary sections of emails and posts, including
the sig sections and the parts added by both Lists' software should be a de
factor part of every-day usage for ALL of you, not just those who take the
trouble.

Adding jpeg images to your sig may look good to you, but it also adds to the
download time for those on dial-up and serves absolutely no purpose in this
email-based environment. I don't know how that started, but we have a couple
of regulars here that have it on their sig lines.

Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't want
to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be used for
email.

Take the trouble to READ what is posted, and then read it again!  So many
misunderstandings occur becuase folks think they read something into a post
which just wasn't there. We've all done it, just THINK before hitting the
'send' button.

Basic courtesy should be extended to everyone, not just your mates on the
Lists.

Peter (acting Dolly stand-in)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 18 09:08:08 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:08:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008401c603f5$9e9e4080$230110ac@PAUL>

Peter, I just checked my options in Outlook Express and had the darn HTML 
turned on, sorry about that and I have turned it off. I thought I had it 
turned off but about a month ago I had trouble with Outlook Express and I 
guess when the technician fixed it the HTML got turned on somehow. Don't use 
sig lines as I discovered that I could just type my telephone number into 
Google and up came all of my information for anyone to see so I shut down 
the sig lines. Thanks for the reminder.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming





From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sun Dec 18 12:47:37 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:47:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	I will agree with the location as part of the signature.
How many times has someone requested help with whatever and
no idea whether I was close enough to help or not. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:10 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming

And if I may add another request to our list etiquette, consider adding to
your signature line to tell us where you're from.  I picked this habit up
myself from a nudge on this or some other list a few years back.  And with
the international membership, be sure to include your country.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:06 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming

Just a polite message to those who post on both of the lists:

Snipping unwanted and unnecessary sections of emails and posts, including
the sig sections and the parts added by both Lists' software should be a de
factor part of every-day usage for ALL of you, not just those who take the
trouble.

Adding jpeg images to your sig may look good to you, but it also adds to the
download time for those on dial-up and serves absolutely no purpose in this
email-based environment. I don't know how that started, but we have a couple
of regulars here that have it on their sig lines.

Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't want
to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be used for
email.

Take the trouble to READ what is posted, and then read it again!  So many
misunderstandings occur becuase folks think they read something into a post
which just wasn't there. We've all done it, just THINK before hitting the
'send' button.

Basic courtesy should be extended to everyone, not just your mates on the
Lists.

Peter (acting Dolly stand-in)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel






From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 13:40:15 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:40:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:47 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>         I will agree with the location as part of the signature.
>How many times has someone requested help with whatever and
>no idea whether I was close enough to help or not.
>Bob Willman

Hi Bob,
         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The last 
24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location added to 
your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
         Dave  



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 18 15:35:07 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>

Hi Dave,

Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
known to contact him.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/

snip>>

>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many 
> times has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I 
> was close enough to help or not.
>
>> Bob Willman
>
>
> Hi Bob,
>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location 
> added to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>         Dave 
>
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 18 15:37:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:37:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
Message-ID: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Did I miss it?  Has Christmas (and the ATIS Charity Auction) been cancelled by
the ACLU or taken over by the Hillary in 2008 fund raising campaign?  Or did
the FATGs get tired of having their butt whomped by the SEL folks so they put
the stop to it?

Talk to us Spencer...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From asouth at strato.net  Sun Dec 18 15:38:07 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:38:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flames
Message-ID: <00f301c6042c$19cc4f50$0621d7cc@ARTHUR>

"you digest readers get to wade through FAR MORE to get to the
 nuggets like this incredibly useful and articulate post.
 
See ya,  Arnie"

Arnie, you're a prince among men. 

Have a good one.
Arthur


Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Dec 18 16:24:37 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:24:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org><6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>

Well ,there you go Dave ...you learn something new every day!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs


> Hi Dave,
> 
> Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
> member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
> a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
> guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
> known to contact him.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
> 
> snip>>
> 
>>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many 
>> times has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I 
>> was close enough to help or not.
>>
>>> Bob Willman
>>
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
>> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
>> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location 
>> added to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>>         Dave 
>>
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 17:07:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:07:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
In-Reply-To: <000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Peter,
         I'd like to contact you to tell you how right you are--but you 
have left no sig at all so I don't know where you are from or how to 
contact you in cast I can help with something!
         Dave

At 07:24 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>Well ,there you go Dave ...you learn something new every day!



>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
>
>
>>Hi Dave,
>>Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
>>member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
>>a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
>>guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
>>known to contact him.
>>Jeff
>>Jeff Allen
>>Arvada, Colorado, USA
>>transteck at earthlink.net
>>http://frapa.us/
>>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>>snip>>
>>
>>>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many times 
>>> has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I was 
>>> close enough to help or not.
>>>
>>>>Bob Willman
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Bob,
>>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
>>> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
>>> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location added 
>>> to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>>>         Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 17:12:17 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:12:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A608F1.8090505@comcast.net>

Thanks....I've been guilty of some of these things.I sent in both html 
and print.I've since shut that off.

I want to be a good citizen,please notify me if I'm not operating 
correctly.(I know I've been guilty of not snipping).

          sincerely,
              mike


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Dec 18 17:47:08 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:47:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>

Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
something I have modified my sig to include my location.

Rick Rowlands
sitting in my chair at the computer
in the living room
of our apartment on the third floor
on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
halfway between New York and Chicago
on the North American Continent
in the northern hemisphere
of the planet Earth
Third body orbiting Sol
about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs


> Hi Peter,
>         I'd like to contact you to tell you how right you are--but you 
> have left no sig at all so I don't know where you are from or how to 
> contact you in cast I can help with something!
>         Dave
>
> At 07:24 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>>Well ,there you go Dave ...you learn something new every day!
>
>
>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:35 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
>>
>>
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
>>>member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
>>>a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
>>>guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
>>>known to contact him.
>>>Jeff
>>>Jeff Allen
>>>Arvada, Colorado, USA
>>>transteck at earthlink.net
>>>http://frapa.us/
>>>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>>>snip>>
>>>
>>>>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many times 
>>>> has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I was 
>>>> close enough to help or not.
>>>>
>>>>>Bob Willman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Bob,
>>>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
>>>> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
>>>> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location added 
>>>> to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>>>>         Dave
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Dec 18 18:57:56 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:57:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

could someone explain what the difference between html and plain text is ? i 
went to the outlook express options and found i had the html button turned 
on, but i have no idea what
thats all about,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming


>>
> Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't
> want to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
> HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be
> used for email.
> >
> 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Dec 18 19:29:38 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:29:38 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>

HTML stands for Hyper-Text Markup Language and is a mechanism for allowing
web pages to be displayed by web browsers.

"HTML defines the structure and layout of a Web document by using a variety
of tags and attributes. The correct structure for an HTML document starts
with <HTML><HEAD>(enter here what document is about)<BODY> and ends with
</BODY></HTML>. All the information you'd like to include in your Web page
fits in between the <BODY> and </BODY> tags."  This is a simplification and
is missing a couple of things, but you get the idea.

HTML wasn't intended for use with email by the original authors of both the
HTML and email specifications and protocols, but many email client programs
(especially Microsoft ones (I'd guess about 80% of clients in use?)) will
allow use of HTML, or even offer it as a default.  I must admit to not
liking HTML in my email myself, but times change and so do conventions.

Let's not start on top-posting :-^)

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales, Prees, Shropshire, UK, Europe, Northern Hemisphere, Right-hand
side of Pond.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bill Boyce
> Sent: 19 December 2005 02:58
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
> 
> could someone explain what the difference between html and 
> plain text is ? i 
> went to the outlook express options and found i had the html 
> button turned 
> on, but i have no idea what
> thats all about,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas




From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Dec 18 19:55:12 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:55:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
Message-ID: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

 can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
flywheels?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 18 19:57:23 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:57:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs, and Castings
In-Reply-To: <00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>
	<00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <43A62FA3.5090500@earthlink.net>

Wow Rick,

That's a helluva sig, and I was just ready to write about you. :-))

I got my casting back from Rick a few weeks ago. First class work and I 
would recommend him for any castings you might need.

Jeff

P.S. Throw a link to your site in your sig. Some may not know of your work.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
> something I have modified my sig to include my location.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> sitting in my chair at the computer
> in the living room
> of our apartment on the third floor
> on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
> halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
> halfway between New York and Chicago
> on the North American Continent
> in the northern hemisphere
> of the planet Earth
> Third body orbiting Sol
> about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy
>
>
>   




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 20:08:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:08:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
In-Reply-To: <00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>
	<00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218230238.02264bb0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rick,
         You have no idea how I appreciate this information. For years I 
believed that you were in your dining room and, therefore, had no way of 
contacting you to offer help!
         Dave
PS, Reg, is this thread going the way you suspected that it would?

At 08:47 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
>something I have modified my sig to include my location.
>
>Rick Rowlands
>sitting in my chair at the computer
>in the living room
>of our apartment on the third floor
>on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
>halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
>halfway between New York and Chicago
>on the North American Continent
>in the northern hemisphere
>of the planet Earth
>Third body orbiting Sol
>about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 20:12:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:12:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
In-Reply-To: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218231146.0d1caff0@mail.alltel.net>

Yes!
         Dave

At 10:55 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
>flywheels?
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 18 19:45:08 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:45:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
References: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <a58364b1ed2f54fa8183c7c113f43ab7@chartertn.net>

> HTML wasn't intended for use with email by the original authors of 
> both the
> HTML and email specifications and protocols, but many email client 
> programs
> (especially Microsoft ones (I'd guess about 80% of clients in use?)) 
> will
> allow use of HTML, or even offer it as a default.  I must admit to not
> liking HTML in my email myself, but times change and so do conventions.

Some mail programs, like the Mac OS X "Mail" application, don't allow 
turning off HTML. Neither do most Web-based E-mail systems. Like it or 
not, HTML E-mail's here to stay. A smarter digest compiler could leave 
out the HTML code and show only the plain text.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 20:58:09 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:58:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] >snip<
Message-ID: <43A63DE1.5080408@comcast.net>

I'm working on the >snip< thing,is this how it's>snip<?

Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I >snip<

Rick Rowlands
sitting in my chair at the computer
in the living room
of our apartment on the t>snip<

 >>> Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a 
list member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on 
e-bay a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Ca>snip<
 >>>>
 >>>> Hi Bob,
 >>>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? 
The last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
inf >snip<


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 21:07:14 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:07:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
References: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <43A64002.1030309@comcast.net>

Html is also available on Thunderbird, the open source email program 
available at http://www.mozilla.org


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 21:08:44 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:08:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A6405C.8070901@comcast.net>

Html allows links to be underlined and just clicked on to go to that 
page,but it also allows other things.......


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 18 21:08:15 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:08:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
In-Reply-To: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A6403F.4070003@scrtc.com>

Bill,
    I thought I was going to be able to help you on this one.  I've got 
3 original FM catalogs here and a few reprints.  I looked through them 
all and none give the flywheel dia.  They give floor space dimensions, 
pulley sizes, shipping weight and some other info.  I know there is a 
lot of FM info out there so I'm sure someone will have the answer.  My 
guess is a 22 or 25 HP.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch 
> dia flywheels?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>
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From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Dec 18 21:53:05 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:53:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
Message-ID: <20051218.215305.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Bill. I have a listing of 22hp @66", and a28hp at 70".  That should get
you in the ballpark.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:55:12 -0600 "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
writes:
>  can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 
> inch dia  flywheels?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec 18 22:10:07 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:10:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc><E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org><6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net><43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net><000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net><00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218230238.02264bb0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002501c60462$df95f250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Amen Bro!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs


> Hi Rick,
>         You have no idea how I appreciate this information. For years I 
> believed that you were in your dining room and, therefore, had no way of 
> contacting you to offer help!
>         Dave
> PS, Reg, is this thread going the way you suspected that it would?




From lfevans at pacbell.net  Mon Dec 19 00:22:27 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:22:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
In-Reply-To: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051219001851.02c6eec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Bill,
A 1908 catalog shows a 15 hp. Special Electric with 68 x 5 inch 
flywheels.  See:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/fm68flywheel/
for a scan of the catalog page.

Regards,
Larry

At 07:55 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
>flywheels?
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Dec 19 05:28:26 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:28:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <00c501c604a0$1b018240$c71117d1@net.telenet.net>

Bill,
 HTML is a computer language that allows you to insert colors, different
typefaces, clipart and many other items into your E-mail (it's primary
use is to write web content). The problem is that even though it looks
fine and dandy it creates a HUGE file that folks have to download. It
also creates a jumble of extra crap that you have to dig through to find
the actual message. Many folks who have high speed connections love it.
They forget that many folks do not have high speed and have slow
dial-ups and some pay per kilobyte to download their mail.
As an example of what HTML looks like in a mail program set up to read
plain text (as they ALL should be) take a look at the following example
message.
The first is the full HTML message as it appears in plain text, the
second is just the plain text. Now consider a digest that gets 40-50
emails a day in one file and that contains 50% or more HTML mail.


<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I work for a company with 20 or so
networked
computers and no connection to the outside world. Our e-mail is
currently
received through standalone dialup PC's which are not connected to the
Network.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What we now wish to do is have continuous
access
to an e-mail server on the Internet for all our LAN PCs. We do not
intend to allow
any Internet browsing or any other Internet Services
whatsoever.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We are using Windows NT as the operating
system
for our LAN network and may in the future upgrade to win
2000.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Question is: If only EMAIL will be used
is a
Firewall really necessary. i.e. does the operating system itself ( be it
NT or
the newer 2000) allow for blocking all services BUT e-mail? If yes,
having
people use all Internet services via e-mail, will it present a security
risk?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not really the additional expense of
the
firewall that I am concerned about, rather it is the additional
complexity and
knowledge involved with a firewall that concerns me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will be grateful for your
reply</FONT></DIV
><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cxxxxx Txxx</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>


I work for a company with 20 or so networked computers and no connection
to the outside world. Our e-mail is currently received through
standalone dialup PC's which are not connected to the Network. What we
now wish to do is have continuous access to an e-mail server on the
Internet for all our LAN PCs. We do not intend to allow any Internet
browsing or any other Internet Services whatsoever. We are using Windows
NT as the operating system
for our LAN network and may in the future upgrade to win 2000. My
Question is: If only EMAIL will be used is a Firewall really necessary.
i.e. does the operating system itself ( be it NT or the newer 2000)
allow for blocking all services BUT e-mail? If yes, having people use
all Internet services via e-mail, will it present a security risk? It is
not really the additional expense of the firewall that I am concerned
about, rather it is the additional complexity and
knowledge involved with a firewall that concerns me. I will be grateful
for your reply.

Regards,
Cxxxxx Txxx

Which one would you like to read? Now add in that on a dial up it may
take 10 minutes (or longer) to download all your mail (adding time in
for the inevitable attached pictures, on a typical 56k connection you
can plan on about 6 minutes per meg of picture size)
Also include the little fact that you can hide some real nasty things in
HTML and cause trouble, as well as sticking in phishing HTML which the
marketers use just to find live addresses (they insert a small HTML code
that opens as soon as you open the message, it tells them that you have
a working E-mail account, they then sell your address to spammers)


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )


> could someone explain what the difference between html and plain text
is ? i
> went to the outlook express options and found i had the html button
turned
> on, but i have no idea what
> thats all about,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:05 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
>
>
> >>
> > Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who
don't
> > want to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
> > HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be
> > used for email.
> > >
> >
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 05:42:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051219134254.26136.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

To the SEL people....
 As some of you are aware  from various postings in the recent past, I am in the process of re  mediating and (generally) cleaning up a 77 acre parcel which will be  put on the market in the next few months.  Among the "relics" that  came to my attention were the McCormick-Deering 10-20 and the IHC  engine.
 The 10-20 has been sold to a fine fellow in my area who  intends to begin restoration.  He has the time, tools, and (most  importantly) the know-how to accomplish this.  Note that I possess  none of the three above-mentioned qualities.  I am, however, a  believer in preservation of such items and I am pleased that, rather  than going to the scrap heap, the tractor will again "see life" though  virtue of this gentleman's skilled eyes and hands.
 Now, this leaves  the engine in which the tractor restoration fellow had no  interest.  Is there anyone in the Rochester, New York area would  be inclined to affect a restoration on this old soldier?  Know,  too, that there are other implements strew about the landscape on this  property that just might be of interest (threshers, buzz saws, belts,  plows, planters, etc.)
 If anyone out there is close enough and is  at all interested in this "opportunity" (I use that term loosely, here)  please let me know via return email.
 Please do not view this  message as being one of "commerce".  I am most assuredly NOT in  the "old iron" business.  Rather, please think of this concept as  being more along the lines "preservation".
  Thanks.
  Jim Moran

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Folks,

Did I miss it?  Has Christmas (and the ATIS Charity Auction) been cancelled by
the ACLU or taken over by the Hillary in 2008 fund raising campaign?  Or did
the FATGs get tired of having their butt whomped by the SEL folks so they put
the stop to it?

Talk to us Spencer...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 19 06:02:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:02:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <20051219134254.26136.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051219134254.26136.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512190859020.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

Would you provide the list with a little more info on the engine?  What
model?  IHC made a great many different engines and they vary hugely in
terms of desirability.  What HP?  What condition & completeness?  Are you
proposing to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction or are you offering it
up for sale?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

>  As some of you are aware  from various postings in the recent past, I am in the process of re  mediating and (generally) cleaning up a 77 acre parcel which will be  put on the market in the next few months.  Among the "relics" that  came to my attention were the McCormick-Deering 10-20 and the IHC  engine.
>  The 10-20 has been sold to a fine fellow in my area who  intends to begin restoration.  He has the time, tools, and (most  importantly) the know-how to accomplish this.  Note that I possess  none of the three above-mentioned qualities.  I am, however, a  believer in preservation of such items and I am pleased that, rather  than going to the scrap heap, the tractor will again "see life" though  virtue of this gentleman's skilled eyes and hands.
>  Now, this leaves  the engine in which the tractor restoration fellow had no  interest.  Is there anyone in the Rochester, New York area would  be inclined to affect a restoration on this old soldier?  Know,  too, that there are other implements strew about the landscape on this  property that just might be of interest (threshers, buzz saws, belts,  plows, planters, etc.)
>  If anyone out there is close enough and is  at all interested in this "opportunity" (I use that term loosely, here)  please let me know via return email.
>  Please do not view this  message as being one of "commerce".  I am most assuredly NOT in  the "old iron" business.  Rather, please think of this concept as  being more along the lines "preservation".



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 06:52:23 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:52:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512190859020.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051219145224.80222.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Reply to Arnie's email-
 1.  You can see  some images of  the engine (IHC "M", I believe/the tag is missing)  by going to "public.fotki.com/mikesloane/jim morans discoveries".   As mentioned previously, my appreciation to Mike Sloane for this  posting effort.  Should there be any difficulty with the download,  he may be contacted at mikesloane at verizon.net.
 2.  The  flywheels are 18" in diameter.  In terms of condition, it is what  it is.  It is stuck and there are components missing (e.g., fuel  tank).  The mag is a Wico and the machine had been mounted to a  wooden skid, a portion of which remains.  
 3.   Understand this FULLY...I have next-to-no knowledge of h-'n-m  goods.  However, in "lurking" around the SEL site, I am abundantly  aware of not only your (collective) skills but (perhaps of greater  significance), your (again collective) enthusiasm for the engines and  the importance of their preservation.  It seems to me that you are  a group of men and women who assist each other willingly and with a  high degree of eagerness.  Perhaps with your experience, your  access to the needed "bits and pieces", and your apparent love of a  challenge, this old girl could once again (at least) make some  noise.  Then again, maybe its future is nothing more than a parts  item.  I honestly don't know and admit to nothing further. 8^)
  4.  No, sorry.  I am not proposing donation but, rather,  selling it for a fair price to someone who understands the situation.
  5.  Again, there are many other "things" at the site.  I know  what some are and I don't have a clue as to the purpose of others.
  Let me know, please.
  Jim Moran

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

Would you provide the list with a little more info on the engine?  What
model?  IHC made a great many different engines and they vary hugely in
terms of desirability.  What HP?  What condition & completeness?  Are you
proposing to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction or are you offering it
up for sale?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

>  As some of you are aware from various postings in the recent past, I am  in the process of re mediating and (generally) cleaning up a 77 acre  parcel which will be put on the market in the next few months. Among  the "relics" that came to my attention were the McCormick-Deering 10-20  and the IHC engine.
> The 10-20 has been sold to a fine fellow in  my area who intends to begin restoration. He has the time, tools, and  (most importantly) the know-how to accomplish this. Note that I possess  none of the three above-mentioned qualities. I am, however, a believer  in preservation of such items and I am pleased that, rather than going  to the scrap heap, the tractor will again "see life" though virtue of  this gentleman's skilled eyes and hands.
> Now, this leaves the  engine in which the tractor restoration fellow had no interest. Is  there anyone in the Rochester, New York area would be inclined to  affect a restoration on this old soldier? Know, too, that there are  other implements strew about the landscape on this property that just  might be of interest (threshers, buzz saws, belts, plows, planters,  etc.)
> If anyone out there is close enough and is at all  interested in this "opportunity" (I use that term loosely, here) please  let me know via return email.
> Please do not view this message  as being one of "commerce". I am most assuredly NOT in the "old iron"  business. Rather, please think of this concept as being more along the  lines "preservation".

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From reb at apex.net  Mon Dec 19 07:12:43 2005
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie Bauer)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:12:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <004901c604ae$a9583a30$0202a8c0@Dads>

Bill I have FMB catalog #60 1908 I think and it show's an N "Producer" 
flywheel  at 66 X 4 @ 21hp & 70 X 5 @26hp and a "Standard Horizontal" 64 X 3 
1/2 @ 20hp, 66 X 4 @ 25hp & 70 X 5 @32hp.  The Special Electric 72 X 5 1/4 @ 
20hp & 74 X 6 1/2 @ 25hp. It also show's Kerosene and Alcohol engines but 
doesn't give any spec's on these.

Dick Bauer



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [SEL] FM model N bridge engine


> can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
> flywheels?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec 19 08:08:56 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:08:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flames
Message-ID: <20051219.111642.1052.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,
Why is anyone bitching ?
I guess - Cabin fever.

I have been receiving mail - ( No need for a bunch of "tests") -
responding to some - able to read all - 
have no problen downloading via "dial-up" -
and - If I could help someone, I would make every effort to contact 
them "off-list".

IF I'm sending html - I sure don't know it.

I don't receive the "digest" - found it too hard to read.

Just my 2 cents

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
(_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec 19 12:40:33 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:40:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years EVE day crankup Kings Mtn. NC
Message-ID: <43A71AC1.2040500@imc-group.com>

Need an engine show fix?

I am posting this a little bit early in anticipation that there may be 
some that might not read email after Christmas and before New Years.

The 3rd annual New Years Crankup will be held on SATURDAY December 31st. 
this year since New Years Day falls on a Sunday.

This is being organized by list lurker Tommy Berry and will be held at 
his dad's place same as before. Last two years have been great weather 
and we are hoping for the same. If inclimate we'll find out who the REAL 
engine and tractor guys are!

Rather than retype all the info here is the link to our club newsletter. 
The crankup info is the first item.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Newsletters/Jan06.pdf>

There will be a fire ring for those with thin blood, lots of engines and 
tractors, and lunch made by Tommy's parents. Bring a desert to chip in 
if you like.

Here are a few pictures from last year:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html>

Look forward to seeing you there.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC USA
in sunny, cool, and pleasant NC


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Dec 19 14:20:30 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220001844.00b0ca10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Testing to find out why my submissions to sel are not getting through.

(Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com)

Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Dec 19 14:22:00 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:22:00 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Engine trip (2nd try)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220002137.00b0ca10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         I hope all the squabbling is over and that you guys now have some 
time to look at engines again (said with a smile).

         I've put pics of last weeks very successful trip up here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/karoo/index.htm>

I would like some information on some of the engines please.
There are quite a few pics but the largest is 70Kbytes so it should go quickly.
There is an Aircooled Petter (for the Poms) I would like identified and a 
Wolseley (for the Aussies) that I need some info on as well. Unfortunately 
not a lot for the Yanks this time. <Grin>

Thanks for looking.

Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 19 14:19:54 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:19:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512191715170.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

You thought that New Way catalog went for serious money.  HAH!!
Check out this Geiser Catalog!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

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Aside from?some very minor?discoloration?you have a highly preserved
Geiser Manufacturing original catalog here.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Dec 19 15:18:44 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:18:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512191715170.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512191715170.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43A73FD4.60600@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
I wanted it but the bidding left me in the dirt. Nice catalog though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi Folks,
>
>You thought that New Way catalog went for serious money.  HAH!!
>Check out this Geiser Catalog!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7572559323
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>GEISER MFG GAS and GASOLINE ENGINES Hit and Miss 1906
>Item number: 7572559323
>Winning bid: US $449.00
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>****? 1906? ****?
>Catalog?
>The Geiser Manufacturing Company
>Waynesboro Pennsylvania
>Portable and Stationary Gas and Gasoline Engines.
>24 Page Original Catalog !
>Aside from?some very minor?discoloration?you have a highly preserved
>Geiser Manufacturing original catalog here.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 00:04:01 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:04:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512190004j381c1840w9868e93d70cd1b36@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Did I miss it?  Has Christmas (and the ATIS Charity Auction) been cancelled by
> the ACLU or taken over by the Hillary in 2008 fund raising campaign?  Or did
> the FATGs get tired of having their butt whomped by the SEL folks so they put
> the stop to it?
>
> Talk to us Spencer...
>
> See ya,  Arnie

Haven't seen anything on the SEL list this year, but Spenecr has been
busy with work etc so may not have had time to get it together.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Dec 19 16:59:36 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:59:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <100.225658af.30d8b178@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/17/2005 10:35:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Hi   Francis.  Glad to hear you got it running.  Yes there is a  check
valve on the end of the copper line, it screws into the cast iron  tank.


Ron,
There wasn't a check valve on outlet of the fuel line at the  tank.  I made 
one and installed it.  Before I go any further, I  have two more questions - is 
there supposed to be a screen on the tank  pick up tube?  Does the end of the 
fuel pick up fitting that  screws into cast iron tank sit about ?" above the 
bottom of the  tank?
I received manual today.  My engine is  slightly different than what is shown 
in manual.  The fuel pick up fitting  on my engine is located to the rear 
under the head, whereas, the manual has it  located on the side just below the 
fuel filler neck.  My engine has the  crank handle located on the flywheel, 
whereas, the manual shows a removable  crank.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 23:59:50 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:59:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512182359g6a6456e3m8c2732cb7cc6c8f1@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Bill Boyce <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:
> could someone explain what the difference between html and plain text is ? i
> went to the outlook express options and found i had the html button turned
> on, but i have no idea what
> thats all about,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas

Bill:

HTML stands for Hyper Text Markup Language.

It is a form of coding that allows suitably equipped software to make
changes to things like text such as bold font faces, coloured text,
underlining and so on. All web sites run on HTML code of some kind or
other.

The problems lie with both the way HTML coding is handled in emails,
and the way it can be exploited buy some viruses. It also makes emails
much larger than they would have been if they had been in plain text.

The recognised default for email and Usenet news messages is Plain
Text, to keep messages and emails smaller and more easily read by a
greater range of programs.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 19 17:57:51 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:57:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14
References: <200512191700.jBJH04u6001936@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00f001c60508$c8e584c0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
something I have modified my sig to include my location.

Rick Rowlands
sitting in my chair at the computer
in the living room
of our apartment on the third floor
on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
halfway between New York and Chicago
on the North American Continent
in the northern hemisphere
of the planet Earth
Third body orbiting Sol
about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy

Can you PLEASE be more specific ..... 8^)

A parallel universe or not??? 

Extra 8^)'s



Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 19 18:05:36 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:05:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <20051219.180536.532.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

PS. Mine is under the head, and it is ?" hex brass.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 19 18:05:45 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:05:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14
References: <200512191700.jBJH04u6001936@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00f501c60509$e370e8b0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Amen Bro!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.


Bloody Pom stirrer! 8^)


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Dec 19 18:11:57 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] see this
Message-ID: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 19 18:12:09 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14
References: <200512191700.jBJH04u6001936@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <010701c6050a$c8872630$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:28:26 -0500
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>

Bill,
 HTML is a computer language that allows you to insert colors, different
typefaces, clipart and many other items into your E-mail (it's primary
use is to write web content). The problem is that even though it looks
fine and dandy it creates a HUGE file that folks have to download. It
also creates a jumble of extra crap that you have to dig through to find
the actual message. Many folks who have high speed connections love it.
They forget that many folks do not have high speed and have slow
dial-ups and some pay per kilobyte to download their mail.

Well, I for one knew NOTHING of this.

A great heads up ..... Changed the browser accordingly ...... No wonder my 
dialup friends were angry!!!


Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Dec 19 19:50:18 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:50:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
In-Reply-To: <43A73FD4.60600@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F54306ED13829172755A5BE73E0@phx.gbl>

All this money for just 24 pages, that works out to $18.71 per page WOW, 
just think how much the "Yellow Bible" you fella's value so highly will 
bring one day!!!

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
>Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:18:44 -0500
>
>Arnie,
>I wanted it but the bidding left me in the dirt. Nice catalog though.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>You thought that New Way catalog went for serious money.  HAH!!
>>Check out this Geiser Catalog!
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>View this Item on eBay at
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7572559323
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>GEISER MFG GAS and GASOLINE ENGINES Hit and Miss 1906
>>Item number: 7572559323
>>Winning bid: US $449.00
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>****??? 1906??? ****???
>>Catalog???
>>The Geiser Manufacturing Company
>>Waynesboro Pennsylvania
>>Portable and Stationary Gas and Gasoline Engines.
>>24 Page Original Catalog !
>>Aside from???some very minor???discoloration???you have a highly preserved
>>Geiser Manufacturing original catalog here.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:47:11 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:47:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Calendar
Message-ID: <BAY104-F25708F927E05443105FAC9C73E0@phx.gbl>

I just put a Steam Engine Calendar on the Charity Auction.  Lets get this 
show on the road!!  Where are the Blue Handled Fence Pliers?




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:52:25 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:52:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] P.S. Charity Auction
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39AD1552FD13B98C5A7DD4C73E0@phx.gbl>

That means that the FATGs are ahead 2-0




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Dec 19 20:43:32 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:43:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
Message-ID: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS 
flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to 
wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
safety glasses.

The points I made to the management were....
The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct 
size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
The glasses were old and not sterilised.
The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could 
not see as to what purpose it served.

I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself in 
this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost 
the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the keyboard 
seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no 
relevance to what was on the screen
I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of 
America.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 19 21:23:23 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:23:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] responding to some - able to read all
Message-ID: <000201c60525$8026c0b0$9db85904@lyle0592c054dd>


Sir
If you mail me off list at lyle45859 at earthlink.net and tell me what type
e-mail program you are using I may be able to explain to you how to check to
see what e-mail program you are using. If it is html, then I may be able to
explain to you on how to change it back over to plain text.

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent.
 

Lyle DeWitt Myles






From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec 19 21:46:35 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:46:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Bloody Bullshit isn't Peter, They tried to make us wear a hard hat in a 
Dozer cab at one time, I don't know what it was supposed to protect me from, 
maybe they thought the head lining was going to fall in on me.  Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


To enter the premises it is now required to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
> safety glasses.
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States 
> of America.

>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 19 22:04:48 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:04:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <43A79F00.5020702@earthlink.net>

ROTFLMFAO!

 From the land of fenced off engine compounds I get this. We, as in the 
USA, are somehow responsible for this? Don't bogart that joint my 
friend, pass it over to me.

snipped like a heifer

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



peter ogborne wrote:

> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 
> MS flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now 
> required to wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of 
> questionable safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the 
> correct size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I 
> could not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad 
> myself in this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork 
> cost the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the 
> keyboard seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it 
> bore no relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United 
> States of America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Dec 19 22:11:53 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:11:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day Cam
just in case  if you put a CD in the CD player And it slips it could take ya 
head off  :}
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Bloody Bullshit isn't Peter, They tried to make us wear a hard hat in a 
> Dozer cab at one time, I don't know what it was supposed to protect me 
> from, maybe they thought the head lining was going to fall in on me.  Cam
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
> To enter the premises it is now required to
>> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
>> safety glasses.
>> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States 
>> of America.
>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Dec 19 22:25:12 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:25:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <04f701c6052e$5885b530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

No. I blame it here on OUR govt.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS 
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required 
> to wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
> safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct 
> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could 
> not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself 
> in this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost 
> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the 
> keyboard seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it 
> bore no relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States 
> of America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Dec 19 22:42:07 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:42:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] UCLA Study reveals Left wing Bias in media
Message-ID: <43A7A7BF.5030806@comcast.net>

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664


From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Dec 19 22:53:54 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:53:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <43A7AA82.40107@comcast.net>

I agree...we are now a nation of litigators, not innovators.Come up with 
a new idea, and if you're not a huge corporation, one of them will sue 
you until you go bankrupt...then they'll use your idea.

Seatbelt laws, Insurance, all a big scam.


From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec 19 23:01:08 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:01:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Brock  I never thought that, maybe they were right then, Cheers Cam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> G,day Cam
> just in case  if you put a CD in the CD player And it slips it could take 
> ya head off  :}

>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 23:47:24 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:47:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <20051220074725.20870.qmail@web25513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Regardless of who started it all, the problem will never go away because too many pen pushers are
making a personal bureaucratic empire out of the paperwork they are dreaming up.

Dave
Back in Ireland


		
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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Tue Dec 20 00:41:12 2005
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:41:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam><001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <006e01c60541$2499cc30$b1ad57ca@n>

G'day Cam
Or it could even be for those small fans that they hang in the corners in 
the roof, dangerous things with the fan blade whirling around!!
    Cheers
         Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Hey Brock  I never thought that, maybe they were right then, Cheers Cam
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
>> G,day Cam
>> just in case  if you put a CD in the CD player And it slips it could take
>> ya head off  :}
>
>>>>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 20 01:34:58 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:34:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam><001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin><025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<006e01c60541$2499cc30$b1ad57ca@n>
Message-ID: <027601c60548$a57db120$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Mick the way they are going we will be wearing Stack hats in cars before 
long. Cam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.




From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec 20 03:53:34 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:53:34 +0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT
In-Reply-To: <027601c60548$a57db120$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <4jms14$g4a1rc@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

Well having spent the last 18 years working in mining equipment workshops I
can affirm that the whole safety scenario pays good wages to a bunch of know
all waster's who have never operated a machine or done a days work of any
kind and without their  little safety course would be a burden on those of
us who pay far to much tax. I've lost count of the safety inductions I've
done that specifically cater for the brain dead. If I get a call from a mine
with a break down these days I tell them straight that I will do no more of
them and if that doesn't suit get another Line Borer.
Ray Freeman
Perth. W.Oz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of cam grundy
Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 5:35 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT

Hey Mick the way they are going we will be wearing Stack hats in cars before

long. Cam

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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 04:32:27 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:32:27 EST
Subject: [SEL] see this
Message-ID: <194.4d5c4b46.30d953db@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/19/2005 9:45:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

<< 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html >>


Reg,

I noticed that too and the way some of the pictures where taken I first 
thought it was something large.  Sue looks like a great piece of work.  Any idea 
what it is and how it works.  Maybe Curt can shed some light.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 20 04:42:50 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:42:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1206.165.206.180.19.1135082570.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Don't blame us! We are NOT the country that has banned wooden matches and
make you put fences around your engines!
You can't lay that one us - look to your own pollies there.

Hell, we don't even OWN steel facilities any more, foreigners do.

Bill

> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
> to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
> safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
> not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
> in
> this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
> keyboard
> seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
> relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
> of
> America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 04:42:15 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:42:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: see this
In-Reply-To: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512200737310.12127@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Reg,

Ain't it awesome?  He does incredible work.  We were at the Asheville show
one year and John Fankhauser had a couple of his models there.  The two of
them got along like long lost brothers.  The next year he had this one
modeled on one of John's creations.  They were like little kids at
Christmas comparing & contrasting.  8-))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010083.html

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 06:54:23 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:54:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <008601c60575$44679770$304a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I bought a couple of pieces of steel about a month ago.  Walked into the 
yard and thrashed around through some of the remnants until I found some the 
right diameter.  The next step was to attract an employee to cut some of it 
off which finally happened.  I then carried this over to the scale and paid 
for it. No hard hats, vests or glasses.  What leads you to think that YOUR 
safety regulations are the fault of the US?

Jim

 and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to
wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
safety glasses.

The points I made to the management were....
The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
The glasses were old and not sterilised.
The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
not see as to what purpose it served.

I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself in
this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the keyboard
seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
relevance to what was on the screen
I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of
America.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 20 07:34:13 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:34:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <04f701c6052e$5885b530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<04f701c6052e$5885b530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1726.165.206.180.19.1135092853.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Thanks Reg - we sure don't have the market cornered on idiot politicians
or insurance companies who want to make a 15000% profit or scared business
people.  I guess it shows maybe the liberals ARE beginning to leave the US
and settle elsewhere.

However, this REALLY belongs on slick since it's a political
statement/complaint from word one, not engine related in any form of the
word.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA and proud of it

> No. I blame it here on OUR govt.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
>> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6
>> MS
>> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now
>> required
>> to wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of
>> questionable
>> safety glasses.
>>
>> The points I made to the management were....
>> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the
>> correct
>> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
>> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
>> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
>> not see as to what purpose it served.
>>
>> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad
>> myself
>> in this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
>> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
>> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork
>> cost
>> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
>> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
>> keyboard seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it
>> bore no relevance to what was on the screen
>> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
>> of America.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>
>
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From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Tue Dec 20 08:14:23 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:14:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] see this
References: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003e01c60580$715338b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has quite a dissertation 
on this engine.
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "List SEL" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] see this


> Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Tue Dec 20 10:00:51 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:00:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1206.165.206.180.19.1135082570.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <007801c6058f$50fda460$6400a8c0@number1>

Remember you gotta consinder the source!!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Don't blame us! We are NOT the country that has banned wooden matches and
> make you put fences around your engines!
> You can't lay that one us - look to your own pollies there.
>
> Hell, we don't even OWN steel facilities any more, foreigners do.
>
> Bill
>
>> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
>> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
>> to
>> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
>> safety glasses.
>>
>> The points I made to the management were....
>> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
>> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
>> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
>> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
>> not see as to what purpose it served.
>>
>> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
>> in
>> this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
>> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
>> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
>> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
>> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
>> keyboard
>> seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
>> relevance to what was on the screen
>> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
>> of
>> America.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 11:07:05 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:07:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <008601c60575$44679770$304a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <20051220190705.16802.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

J&D-
  In terms of Mr. Ogborne's comment, I read it and (hopefully correctly  assumed) a "smiling face".  In the realm of cyberspace exchanges  (that is to say where one party is not "looking" into the face of the  other) I have found it better to (using the word again) "assume" things  are good-natured as opposed to mean spirited.
  I am probably off base more than half the time but, then again, I don't have any ulcers of which I am aware. :-)
  JM

Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:  I bought a couple of pieces of steel about a month ago.  Walked into the 
yard and thrashed around through some of the remnants until I found some the 
right diameter.  The next step was to attract an employee to cut some of it 
off which finally happened.  I then carried this over to the scale and paid 
for it. No hard hats, vests or glasses.  What leads you to think that YOUR 
safety regulations are the fault of the US?

Jim

 and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to
wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
safety glasses.

The points I made to the management were....
The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
The glasses were old and not sterilised.
The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
not see as to what purpose it served.

I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself in
this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the keyboard
seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
relevance to what was on the screen
I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of
America.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Tue Dec 20 11:46:37 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:46:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] see this
References: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003e01c60580$715338b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <001001c6059e$1af037c0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

That's the May/June 1984 issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine.  Slight 
omission on my part!
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] see this


> The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has quite a 
> dissertation on this engine.
> Dan Bousman
> Pleasant Hill, Missouri
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "List SEL" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:11 PM
> Subject: [SEL] see this
>
>
>> Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 11:55:39 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:55:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
Message-ID: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>

Hi List,
Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type 
engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss engine.  
I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I was 
told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of the 
engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my budget 
and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be appreciated. 
 

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 20 12:25:48 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:25:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2556.165.206.180.19.1135110348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I happen to know a couple of quilt store owners who sell embroidery
machines and if you like I could inquire as to what it would take for you.
They may do something for me at a cut rate since we are former quilt store
owners ourselves and on good terms with them all.

I also have a couple cousins in the business of doing embroidery so I
could ask them (acutally Barbara's cousins)

Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA

> Hi List,
> Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type
> engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss
> engine.
> I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I
> was
> told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of
> the
> engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my
> budget
> and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
> Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be
> appreciated.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 12:39:10 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:39:10 EST
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
Message-ID: <22f.3915fa7.30d9c5ee@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/20/2005 12:35:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

I happen  to know a couple of quilt store owners who sell embroidery
machines and if  you like I could inquire as to what it would take for you.
They may do  something for me at a cut rate since we are former quilt store
owners  ourselves and on good terms with them all.

I also have a couple cousins  in the business of doing embroidery so I
could ask them (acutally Barbara's  cousins)



Bill,
Thanks.  Yes, I am interested.  I am willing to send the  jacket or even 
purchase one through the embroidery shop if I find the  pattern that I want.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 20 12:50:18 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:50:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT
References: <4jms14$g4a1rc@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <02c201c605a6$fd4d7620$0301a8c0@Cam>

Ray I can see where you are coming from, I worked for hire company's and was 
in and out of mines all the time, wouldn't you think that if they had to 
have inductions it would be much simpler to have one that would cover all 
mines.
   I've sat through a full week of that crap numerous times. Do you think it 
has slowed down accidents? I don't
     Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT


> Well having spent the last 18 years working in mining equipment workshops 
> I
> can affirm that the whole safety scenario pays good wages to a bunch of 
> know
> all waster's who have never operated a machine or done a days work of any
> kind and without their  little safety course would be a burden on those of
> us who pay far to much tax. I've lost count of the safety inductions I've
> done that specifically cater for the brain dead. If I get a call from a 
> mine
> with a break down these days I tell them straight that I will do no more 
> of
> them and if that doesn't suit get another Line Borer.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth. W.Oz

> 



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Dec 20 12:54:18 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:54:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43A86F7A.6020702@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Francis

Sounds like you need your picture digitising (the process of turning a 
graphic into an embroidery design).
There are lots of people who do this - I had photos of Jim's motorbikes 
and oilfield engine made into small sewing designs about 4" sq which was 
the maximum size I could use on my old sewing machine.  I think it cost 
me $120 for all three designs.
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/mystuff/sewing14.htm
 Many digitizers charge per 1000 stitches.  I also found one on eBay who 
charged a flat rate and did a superb job of Reg's Regimota logo for me:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EMBROIDERY-DIGITIZING-SERVICE-HOME-INDUSTRIAL-FORMATS_W0QQitemZ8244371650QQcategoryZ71196QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Once you've got the design, all  you need to do is buy the garment and 
find someone who can put the two together for you.  I'm on some 
embroidery forums, so I'm sure I could find someone local to you.
Once you have paid to have the design digitised, that design belongs to 
you.  The formats are easily converted from one type of machine to 
another - even I have the software to do that!
I would recommend getting quotes from at least a couple of places.
Let me know, helen at insulate.co.uk, if I can be of further help.

Dolly

FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi List,
>Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type 
>engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss engine.  
>I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I was 
>told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of the 
>engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my budget 
>and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
>Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be appreciated. 
> 
>
>
>  
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 06:35:36 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:35:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Calendar
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F25708F927E05443105FAC9C73E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051220143536.94296.qmail@web34606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The show is on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- Andy Glines <andyglines at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I just put a Steam Engine Calendar on the Charity
> Auction.  Lets get this 
> show on the road!!  Where are the Blue Handled Fence
> Pliers?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
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> 


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Utica, Ohio
USA
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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Dec 20 14:39:54 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:39:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43A8883A.3000303@insulate.co.uk>

I just posted the pics of the Regimota design I had digitised, so you 
can see the quality:
http://www.dollyfrench.com/reg1.htm

Dolly

FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi List,
>Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type 
>engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss engine.  
>I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I was 
>told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of the 
>engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my budget 
>and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
>Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be appreciated. 
> 
>  
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Dec 20 17:24:42 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:24:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com> <43A8883A.3000303@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008901c605cd$5668c860$b044e5d8@gary>

Very good workmanship Dolly!

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted


> I just posted the pics of the Regimota design I had digitised, so you 
> can see the quality:
> http://www.dollyfrench.com/reg1.htm
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 20 17:31:14 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f8ed98ad126f7b07919f1f932eb011eb@chartertn.net>

Several years ago we had a List member who was in the business of 
making those, and I have a lovely shop apron he made with a nice 
picture of an H&M engine embroidered on it. Alas, my dementia has 
progressed to the point that I can't think of his name at the moment.

Maybe he'll see this and pipe up. Or, you might try posting the query 
over on the Smokestak and see if he's over there.

John

On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:55 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" 
> type
> engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit 
> miss engine.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 17:41:36 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:41:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
Message-ID: <228.39244e1.30da0cd0@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/20/2005 5:40:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:

Several  years ago we had a List member who was in the business of 
making those,  and I have a lovely shop apron he made with a nice 
picture of an H&M  engine embroidered on it. Alas, my dementia has 
progressed to the point  that I can't think of his name at the moment.

Maybe he'll see this and  pipe up. Or, you might try posting the query 
over on the Smokestak and see  if he's over there.


Thanks John.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Dec 20 15:42:48 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:42:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <20051220190705.16802.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c605cf$aebb7dd0$e2288795@ogborneuah38i3>

Correctly assumed James.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> J&D-
>  In terms of Mr. Ogborne's comment, I read it and (hopefully correctly
> assumed) a "smiling face".  In the realm of cyberspace exchanges  (that is
> to say where one party is not "looking" into the face of the  other) I
> have found it better to (using the word again) "assume" things  are
> good-natured as opposed to mean spirited.
>  I am probably off base more than half the time but, then again, I don't
> have any ulcers of which I am aware. :-)
>  JM
>
> Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:  I bought a couple of pieces
> of steel about a month ago.  Walked into the
> yard and thrashed around through some of the remnants until I found some
> the
> right diameter.  The next step was to attract an employee to cut some of
> it
> off which finally happened.  I then carried this over to the scale and
> paid
> for it. No hard hats, vests or glasses.  What leads you to think that YOUR
> safety regulations are the fault of the US?
>
> Jim
>
> and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
> to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
> safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
> not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
> in
> this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
> keyboard
> seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
> relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
> of
> America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Dec 20 20:43:47 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:43:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
In-Reply-To: <000901c605cf$aebb7dd0$e2288795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F159A03946205B149458E1CE7310@phx.gbl>

I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin fever have set in, and 
this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses.

I love you all on this list and would surly not like to see ANYONE get hurt, 
I agree that these "safety" precautions are a little over the top.

Merry Christmas to all and a SAFE and healthy New Year.

XOXOXO
Peg Pfeiffer

>>Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
>>flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
>>to
>>wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
>>safety glasses.
>>
>>The points I made to the management were....
>>The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
>>size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
>>The glasses were old and not sterilised.
>>The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
>>not see as to what purpose it served.
>>
>>I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
>>in
>>this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
>>Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
>>To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
>>the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
>>I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
>>keyboard
>>seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
>>relevance to what was on the screen
>>I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
>>of
>>America.
>>Peter Ogborne




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 21:13:09 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:13:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

As Slick Willy used to say I feel your pain.  But when I visit my local steel
yard to buy a box of off-cuts and shear trimmings, I walk onto the shop floor
and load my boxes.  No hard hat, no viz jacket, no safety glasses, no steel toe
boots.  I do wear my own leather gloves cos I'm not a dummy.  I pay cash by the
pound when they weigh my boxes out.

Oh, and we don't erect bloody fences around our engines at rallys.  I own and
carry firearms.  We can own knives, swords, cross-bows, etc.

If you're looking for the source of your nanny-state, I think you better check
FAR closer to home.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS 
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
> safety glasses.
<snip>
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of 
> America.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 20 21:43:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:43:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad
In-Reply-To: <1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>


>   I pay cash by the pound when they weigh my boxes out.
>See ya,  Arnie

doG damned if I'm going to tell the world that you pay VERY LITTLE when 
this occurs. I was going to say that "Even I'm not going to touch that one" 
but I knew that someone would take it the wrong way!
         Dave
PS, Kelley says that she has two queens reserved for us at Tulare. Are you 
a GO?





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 23:36:29 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:36:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
In-Reply-To: <003e01c60580$715338b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <000f01c60601$4391cb40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has
quite 
> a dissertation on this engine.
> Dan Bousman
> Pleasant Hill, Missouri

Hi Dan, 
If you've spilled the beans on this issue before, please
forgive me, as I must have overlooked it.  But your email
address is VERY intriguing.  Are you a Sabre driver?

Rob

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 







From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 00:27:26 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:27:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F159A03946205B149458E1CE7310@phx.gbl>
References: <000901c605cf$aebb7dd0$e2288795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<BAY113-F159A03946205B149458E1CE7310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512210027x41080de7p54c1a25118dfd705@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com> wrote:
> I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin fever have set in, and
> this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses.
>
> I love you all on this list and would surly not like to see ANYONE get hurt,
> I agree that these "safety" precautions are a little over the top.
>
> Merry Christmas to all and a SAFE and healthy New Year.
>
> XOXOXO
> Peg Pfeiffer
>

Hi Peg:

Love this time of year also, the shortest day has just passed and we
can look forward to the Spring and light evenings again.

As far as 'Cabin Fever' goes, it has no place on an email list that is
distributed widely amongst folks who are purported to be friends in an
engine community.

We were brought up in the 1940's and 50's to believe that your word
was your bond, and that if you couldn't say anything good about a
person, then you should say nothing at all.

Having a pop at someone on an email list is a cheap way of doing
something that you would not do face to face, and it lowers my
estimation of folks when I see it going on here.

Love from us both,

Peter & Rita
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 00:29:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:29:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512210029j585698c0w8c24d2a6e59ab156@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >   I pay cash by the pound when they weigh my boxes out.
> >See ya,  Arnie
>
> doG damned if I'm going to tell the world that you pay VERY LITTLE when
> this occurs. I was going to say that "Even I'm not going to touch that one"
> but I knew that someone would take it the wrong way!
>          Dave
> PS, Kelley says that she has two queens reserved for us at Tulare. Are you
> a GO?
>

Hi Dave:

Could you reassure us that the 'queens' are not the 'wrong' sort please? :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 21 04:13:25 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:13:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051221121325.23665.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I thought that the Terrace Lodge was in Indiana. Is
Winslow meeting you there?
A.M.

--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
<snip>
 two queens reserved for
> us at Tulare. Are you 
> a GO?



		
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From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:26:45 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:26:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction???? 
Message-ID: <BAY104-F16CC4D2BE2199F8EE7E951C7310@phx.gbl>

I am a bit confused.  Is the ATIS on-line charity auction supposed to happen 
this year?  The auction is usually the center if coinversation here and this 
year nothing??  Did I miss something?




From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Wed Dec 21 07:38:56 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:38:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <000f01c60601$4391cb40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <000801c60644$a7a63bf0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre driver.
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> 
>> The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has
> quite 
>> a dissertation on this engine.
>> Dan Bousman
>> Pleasant Hill, Missouri
> 
> Hi Dan, 
> If you've spilled the beans on this issue before, please
> forgive me, as I must have overlooked it.  But your email
> address is VERY intriguing.  Are you a Sabre driver?
> 
> Rob
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 08:23:49 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:23:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
Message-ID: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>

Rob,
In the late '50s, I worked for North American Aviation at  Fresno.  Our main 
effort was modifying F-86Ds into F-86Ls.  We  also did some work on F-86Ks.  
The K models were the hot rod of the F-86  series.
Bob Hoover really could put these planes through maneuvers that  many pilots 
thought impossible.  I watch him clover leaf one at an air  show.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 10:05:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:05:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
In-Reply-To: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>
References: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512211005q1e63903bv237e7671daa5013e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Rob,
> In the late '50s, I worked for North American Aviation at  Fresno.  Our main
> effort was modifying F-86Ds into F-86Ls.  We  also did some work on F-86Ks.
> The K models were the hot rod of the F-86  series.
> Bob Hoover really could put these planes through maneuvers that  many pilots
> thought impossible.  I watch him clover leaf one at an air  show.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>

Bob Hoover figures a lot in the Yeager autobiography, it's a very good
book and well worth reading.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Wed Dec 21 17:55:58 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:55:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>

Hi guys,
           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly stupid amounts of money and won.

That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting it.

Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.

Ill explain... 

The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery Assocition are a member of.

Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the association thats fine no one will stop you.

Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a good wicket.  

The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.

The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.

And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking like a total tool in a red jacket.

And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.

My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his remington left handed side be side.

But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this to me?

Best wishes for the festive season,
                                                 Adam

  




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 18:09:40 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:09:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <15d.5e27affe.30db64e4@aol.com>

Hi Adam,
In Texas, near Waco, and not all that long ago, a fellow had his family and 
associates, men, women and children, burn to death and had he had an effective 
anti-tank weapon there might have been a different outcome.
Ron

In a message dated 12/21/2005 8:04:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
adamcottrill at bigpond.com writes:
<SNIP>But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this to 
me?
<SNIP>
                                                 Adam


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Dec 21 18:22:11 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:22:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <010f01c6069e$86390100$681a8347@D6R3D961>

I guess those armadillos are tough creatures

Roger


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run 
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the 
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club 
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, 
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to 
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this 
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec 21 18:35:43 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:35:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>

> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need 
> to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please 
> explain this to me?

You don't "need" to own that side by side shotgun, or a bow, or an 
engine, but you want to. There are people who own (having gone through 
intensive government investigation and paid heavy taxation to do so) 
arms like you mention, because they're fascinated with them and play 
with them like we do our old engines. They're not hurting anyone. 
Contrary to some myths, it's been pretty hard to legally own such 
things as fully automatic weapons, short barrelled shotguns or rifles, 
or "destructive devices" such as antitank weapons in the U.S. since 
1934.

But why should folks who aren't going to misuse them be forbidden from 
having them? The same question applies to all other categories of 
weaponry, including so-called "assault weapons" with semiautomatic 
actions and ugly black plastic stocks.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Dec 21 18:37:24 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:37:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <001e01c606a0$a4b69140$a71117d1@net.telenet.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>            I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial
system and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions
has been removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt
immune and we all have stories of how people successfully sued and won
for seemingly stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel
that they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in
getting it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
$100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
think its a good wicket.

And in the US you can join a MUCH larger organization (EDGETA) and have
full insurance coverage and NO FENCES ARE "GUIDELINED"

>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your
club signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow
it (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the
policy will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond
this is that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of
the policy or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.

Those restrictions and ramifications are why it is considered "law".


>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront
risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily
basis, to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone
looking like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you
miss on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I
have his remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need
to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
this to me?

Because we have the RIGHT to own them.  It is a RIGHT, NEED has
absolutely nothing to do with it.

>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                  Adam
>
>

Sounds typical of the Liberal mindset that exists in some people in the
US.  I don't see a NEED for something so you are not allowed to
have/do/say/think it. Then they come up with the typical, well it is
done just to "help" some group or another. Hillary's group was "it's to
help the children" In your case the club is saying YOU WILL DO WHAT WE
TELL YOU OR ELSE. Sounds like the mob to me, or a union.



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 18:50:06 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:50:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <1d5.4b0e729d.30db6e5e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/21/2005 6:38:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
solarrog at pacbell.net writes:

> My  grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have  his 
> remington left handed side be side.


Adam,
What is a "remington left handed side be  side"?     

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 18:52:39 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:52:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <43AA14F7.5050101@earthlink.net>

Adam

>
>But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this to me?
>  
>

who in Texas wants to have a bunch of M-16's or Anti Tank guns?

There may be a couple of collectors, but I have lived here all my life 
and dont know anyone you are talking about?
if there are some, then I would not think it specific to Texans! As  
most Texans, we do however stand proud in out protection of our right to 
bear arms, no matter what kind of weapon it is
and if there is people in Texas that do own these weapons, I certainly 
dont here of any of them using them in any kind of criminal way? So, 
what I want to know, why would it be a problem since it isnt a problem?

Clint

>Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>  
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 21 19:10:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:10:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <010f01c6069e$86390100$681a8347@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this is going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
  JM

Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos are tough creatures

Roger


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run 
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the 
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club 
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, 
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to 
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this 
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Dec 21 19:38:32 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:38:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013301c606a9$3024b6f0$681a8347@D6R3D961>

please go back and read the prior messages
Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


>I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this is 
>going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
>  JM
>
> Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos are 
> tough creatures
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
>> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been
>> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we
>> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly
>> stupid amounts of money and won.
>>
>> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
>> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
>> it.
>>
>> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
>> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
>> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>>
>> Ill explain...
>>
>> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
>> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
>> Assocition are a member of.
>>
>> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to 
>> run
>> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
>> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>>
>> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect 
>> the
>> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
>> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
>> good wicket.
>>
>> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your 
>> club
>> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
>> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
>> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
>> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
>> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>>
>> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
>> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
>> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>>
>> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
>> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily 
>> basis,
>> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
>> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>>
>> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
>> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
>> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
>> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
>> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters 
>> to
>> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
>> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>>
>> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss 
>> on
>> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
>> remington left handed side be side.
>>
>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
>> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
>> this
>> to me?
>>
>> Best wishes for the festive season,
>>                                                 Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 19:46:00 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:46:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Adam,

Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
understanding of your country.  

However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
us on this list.  

It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
their loss as much as it is your spectators.

As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
fine Gentleman.  

I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
to your question would be:

	Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
Texas or 
      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss 
      Engine? I don't see a difference!

 
Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN
KA9ZOP

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
Cottrill
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad

Hi guys,
Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.

Ill explain... 

The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
Machinery Assocition are a member of.

Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
association thats fine no one will stop you.

Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
$100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
think its a good wicket.  


And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.

My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
his remington left handed side be side.

But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
this to me?

Best wishes for the festive season,
                                                 Adam

  


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec 21 19:47:03 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:47:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pipe fittings needed
Message-ID: <00ad01c606aa$60633840$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

G'day,
One of my amigos who doesn't subscribe to this list is
looking for a couple cast iron pipe elbows. He needs the
"shoulderless" kind that makes a sharp, ninety degree turn,
not a gradual radius. They should be a 1 1/2" pipe thread.
Older, rustier, junkier is best. You can contact Dusty at
mailto:dme at gameguns.com.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com

 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec 21 19:48:17 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:48:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
In-Reply-To: <000801c60644$a7a63bf0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
driver.

Hi Dan,
I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
and drool. 
Rob



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec 21 13:28:41 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:28:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
Message-ID: <20051221.234241.1336.1.jlb94@juno.com>

In response to Peter's Health and Safety Gone Mad.
 
I can understand where you are coming from Peter.  And Peg Pfeiffer is
right, when she said, "I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin
fever have set in, and 
this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses."
 
However; here would be one reason you (or me) cannot enter a scrap yard
without wearing all that useless unsafe garb.   Lets say you (or me)
enter the yard and they do not require, or do not have, this "safety"
equipment and they, out of the goodness of their little hearts, "let" you
(or me) roam freely around the yard to stumble through the scrap piles of
sharp, barb filled, rusty, disease ridden metal.
 
Clumsy you (or me), while pulling on a piece of 3" x ?" x 6' raw
material, gets stabbed in the eye, because of the lack of proper "safety"
equipment, and needs to have immediate surgery to save your (or my)
sight.
 
And ? Because you (or me) are a highly paid expert marksman sharpshooter
working for the CIA taking out little innocent Girl Scouts selling Girl
Scout Cookies with a 30.06 Winchester with a 80X Scope mounted over the
finest lazar sight our illustrious government can purchase with our hard
earned tax dollars, you (or me) can no longer hold your (or my) $400,000
per year employment, because you (or me) no longer can use BOTH eyes. 
Multiply that times 30 because that's how long your (or my) career
would've lasted, had the company not been so gracious to allow you (or
me) to roam freely about their yard, might add up to about 1.2 million
dollars which, of coarse, the general working public has to pay for with
it's hard earned tax dollars.
 
And ? Because the illustrious government has contracted the most
prestigious lawyer money can buy and, of course, the lawyer's friend, and
fraternal brother, Judge XYZ and, of course, his staff, also fraternal,
who, with hands in each other's pockets, will rape the general public to
as much hard earned tax money as humanly possible.
 
And ? All because of this, the company who had graciously allowed you (or
me) to roam freely about their disease ridden yard, now has to pay 20
times the insurance premium they had before this all happened and now has
to install double fencing where single was sufficient, and hire
"round-the-clock" guard-watch to keep all but the employees out.
 
All because wearing "safety" equipment is a "bother" to you (or me).

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 21 20:43:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:43:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV109A91299F0D53B58CC2D8BB300@phx.gbl>

Come on up Rob..I'll show ya one and introduce ya to an ole pilot

RickinMt....pack yer lunch :-)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> > No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
> driver.
> 
> Hi Dan,
> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
> and drool. 
> Rob
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 21 20:48:24 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051222044824.22547.qmail@web35404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly
> don't grasp where this is going.  >   JM
>
G'Day James
Simple answer no where
I cannot belive that my fellow Aussies keep bringing
this crap up, the people on this list are sick of
hearing about bloody fences and gun control, you would
think they would be sick of writing about it, if it
was so much of a issue they would get their clubs to
get out of the national body and if OH&S is such a
great problem there is pleanty on jobs going in the
chinese coal mines, no rules you can start tomorrow.
Please mates give it a break and to blame the yanks is
crap.

Again only my 2 bobs worth

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz




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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 21 20:49:01 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:01 -0700
Subject: Very O/T[SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
	<43AA14F7.5050101@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1202B18A543194CE2892EBB300@phx.gbl>

  If ya every heard the sound of a Mini-gun..you'd be dazzled..let alone 4K 
spm of total firepower.

Sorry gang.had to do it..15 years of Minigun, GAU-2b, M-134

RickinMt.


























----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Adam
>
> >
> >But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> >own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
> >this to me?
> >
> >
>
> who in Texas wants to have a bunch of M-16's or Anti Tank guns?
>
> There may be a couple of collectors, but I have lived here all my life
> and dont know anyone you are talking about?
> if there are some, then I would not think it specific to Texans! As
> most Texans, we do however stand proud in out protection of our right to
> bear arms, no matter what kind of weapon it is
> and if there is people in Texas that do own these weapons, I certainly
> dont here of any of them using them in any kind of criminal way? So,
> what I want to know, why would it be a problem since it isnt a problem?
>
> Clint
>
> >Best wishes for the festive season,
> >                                                 Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 21:03:53 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:03:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <43AA33B9.9070607@earthlink.net>

Hi Adam,

Been down this road before and I still don't understand.

>The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
Guidelines are not mandated, and your fences are if you wish to be a 
member club. The day I can't go to a show with interaction like this 
will my last engine show.
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BC05/Pull/index.htm

That's it for me on this. One more time for all of you.

http://frapa.us/Merry.html

Best Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/







From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec 21 20:52:15 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:52:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <20051222.001504.1336.6.jlb94@juno.com>

>But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
this to me?
=        =        =        =        =        
Because we, as Americans, have the right to.
"Need" has nothing to do with it.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Wed Dec 21 21:32:23 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:32:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<BAY109-DAV109A91299F0D53B58CC2D8BB300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c606b9$16523300$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

I've seen them flying at Oshkosh.
Also seen four Spitfires at the same time.
Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> Come on up Rob..I'll show ya one and introduce ya to an ole pilot
> 
> RickinMt....pack yer lunch :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
> 
> 
>> > No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
>> driver.
>> 
>> Hi Dan,
>> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
>> and drool. 
>> Rob
>> 
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 21 21:33:46 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:33:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <20051222044824.22547.qmail@web35404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F33FD26FFF02C37976E76A2BA300@phx.gbl>

You are so right Kerry,enough of this c***.


>From: Kerry Morris <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>--- James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly
> > don't grasp where this is going.  >   JM
> >
>G'Day James
>Simple answer no where
>I cannot belive that my fellow Aussies keep bringing
>this crap up, the people on this list are sick of
>hearing about bloody fences and gun control, you would
>think they would be sick of writing about it, if it
>was so much of a issue they would get their clubs to
>get out of the national body and if OH&S is such a
>great problem there is pleanty on jobs going in the
>chinese coal mines, no rules you can start tomorrow.
>Please mates give it a break and to blame the yanks is
>crap.
>
>Again only my 2 bobs worth
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
>
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From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Wed Dec 21 21:52:08 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:52:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
References: <20051221.234241.1336.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002801c606bb$d896f2a0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking equipment, 
safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??


> In response to Peter's Health and Safety Gone Mad.
>
> I can understand where you are coming from Peter.  And Peg Pfeiffer is
> right, when she said, "I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin
> fever have set in, and
> this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses."
>
> However; here would be one reason you (or me) cannot enter a scrap yard
> without wearing all that useless unsafe garb.   Lets say you (or me)
> enter the yard and they do not require, or do not have, this "safety"
> equipment and they, out of the goodness of their little hearts, "let" you
> (or me) roam freely around the yard to stumble through the scrap piles of
> sharp, barb filled, rusty, disease ridden metal.
>
> Clumsy you (or me), while pulling on a piece of 3" x ?" x 6' raw
> material, gets stabbed in the eye, because of the lack of proper "safety"
> equipment, and needs to have immediate surgery to save your (or my)
> sight.
>
> And - Because you (or me) are a highly paid expert marksman sharpshooter
> working for the CIA taking out little innocent Girl Scouts selling Girl
> Scout Cookies with a 30.06 Winchester with a 80X Scope mounted over the
> finest lazar sight our illustrious government can purchase with our hard
> earned tax dollars, you (or me) can no longer hold your (or my) $400,000
> per year employment, because you (or me) no longer can use BOTH eyes.
> Multiply that times 30 because that's how long your (or my) career
> would've lasted, had the company not been so gracious to allow you (or
> me) to roam freely about their yard, might add up to about 1.2 million
> dollars which, of coarse, the general working public has to pay for with
> it's hard earned tax dollars.
>
> And - Because the illustrious government has contracted the most
> prestigious lawyer money can buy and, of course, the lawyer's friend, and
> fraternal brother, Judge XYZ and, of course, his staff, also fraternal,
> who, with hands in each other's pockets, will rape the general public to
> as much hard earned tax money as humanly possible.
>
> And - All because of this, the company who had graciously allowed you (or
> me) to roam freely about their disease ridden yard, now has to pay 20
> times the insurance premium they had before this all happened and now has
> to install double fencing where single was sufficient, and hire
> "round-the-clock" guard-watch to keep all but the employees out.
>
> All because wearing "safety" equipment is a "bother" to you (or me).
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec 21 23:29:07 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:29:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that the 
battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint interested 
in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Adam,
>
> Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
> flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
> that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
> list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
> understanding of your country.
>
> However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
> ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
> wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
> socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
> us on this list.
>
> It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
> policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
> great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
> been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
> should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
> better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
> feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
> Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
> getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
> collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
> and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
> fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
> called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
> exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
> The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
> shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
> in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
> LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
> friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
> the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
> there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
> who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
> their loss as much as it is your spectators.
>
> As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
> That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
> family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
> fine Gentleman.
>
> I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
> many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
> practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
> another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
> constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
> definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
> rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
> only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
> them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
> they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
> hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
> to your question would be:
>
> Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
> Texas or
>      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss
>      Engine? I don't see a difference!
>
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN
> KA9ZOP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Cottrill
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
> Hi guys,
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
> that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
> have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
> run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
> the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
> $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
> think its a good wicket.
>
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
> they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
> champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
> olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
> season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
> trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
> line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> his remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 21 23:44:28 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:44:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <002301c606cb$89faca80$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Rob you wouldn't of got a ride in an F-86. Joe Lynch crashed the only 2 
seater
they built. He rolled too soon on take off at Nellis  AFB in Las Vegas on a 
demonstration
tour in 1954. They did build some 2 seater F-100's . I worked on the 
production line of the F-86
and in Enginenering Flight Test on the F-86, F-100 and F-107 and then as a 
Tech Rep on the
Sabreliner  business jet. Once I  even conned a Sabreliner operator in 
picking up a set of
Stickney engine trucks in Witchita, Kansas and flying them to me in St. 
Louis, MO .
It was while I was on assignment in St. Louis that my neighbor got me 
interested in Hit and
Miss engines.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(ice quite not thick enough for ice fishing yet)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


>> No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
> driver.
>
> Hi Dan,
> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
> and drool.
> Rob
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 23:53:18 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:53:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
In-Reply-To: <002801c606bb$d896f2a0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
References: <20051221.234241.1336.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<002801c606bb$d896f2a0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512212353y1040dcb0qd9655bf2a13eecc4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, F86SABRE <f86sabre at kcweb.net> wrote:
> What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking equipment,
> safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
> Dan Bousman

You would or should be covered by their Public Liability insurance.

We use hard hats, hi-vis jackets and steel capped shoes on most of our
rail depot service calls, so we have the stuff in the van 24/7. It's
not a problem for professional people who use it daily, just for those
who don't need it/use it regularly.

Most sites in the UK will escort you off-site pretty quickly if you
haven't complied with their safety requirements.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 02:21:41 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:21:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007401c606e1$841e3be0$16258795@ogborneuah38i3>

James....I am afraid this happens now and then ,just be patient ,delete and 
it will eventually all go away . WE all end up good friends . Sometimes the 
message is a little too subtle for some ,some understand and enter into the 
fray knowing full well it is just friendly banter.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


>I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this is 
>going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
>  JM
>
> Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos are 
> tough creatures
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
>> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been
>> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we
>> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly
>> stupid amounts of money and won.
>>
>> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
>> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
>> it.
>>
>> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
>> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
>> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>>
>> Ill explain...
>>
>> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
>> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
>> Assocition are a member of.
>>
>> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to 
>> run
>> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
>> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>>
>> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect 
>> the
>> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
>> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
>> good wicket.
>>
>> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your 
>> club
>> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
>> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
>> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
>> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
>> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>>
>> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
>> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
>> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>>
>> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
>> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily 
>> basis,
>> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
>> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>>
>> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
>> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
>> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
>> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
>> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters 
>> to
>> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
>> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>>
>> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss 
>> on
>> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
>> remington left handed side be side.
>>
>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
>> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
>> this
>> to me?
>>
>> Best wishes for the festive season,
>>                                                 Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Dec 22 02:23:18 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:23:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <018401c606e1$bae13f10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

"Hear we go again griping on again."  If you would like to read the
guidelines you can do what you like.  Please stop being a bore.

Ron


----- Original Message -----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that the
> battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
> You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint
interested
> in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
> I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
> I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
> > Adam,
> >
> > Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
> > flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
> > that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
> > list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
> > understanding of your country.
> >
> > However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
> > ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
> > wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
> > socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
> > us on this list.
> >
> > It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
> > policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
> > great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
> > been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
> > should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
> > better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
> > feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
> > Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
> > getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
> > collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
> > and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
> > fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
> > called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
> > exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
> > The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
> > shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
> > in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
> > LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
> > friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
> > the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
> > there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
> > who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
> > their loss as much as it is your spectators.
> >
> > As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
> > That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
> > family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
> > fine Gentleman.
> >
> > I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
> > many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
> > practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
> > another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
> > constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
> > definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
> > rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
> > only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
> > them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
> > they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
> > hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
> > to your question would be:
> >
> > Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
> > Texas or
> >      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss
> >      Engine? I don't see a difference!
> >
> >
> > Chuck Emsweller
> > Rushville, IN
> > KA9ZOP
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> > Cottrill
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
> > that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
> > have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
> >
> > Ill explain...
> >
> > The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> > current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> > Machinery Assocition are a member of.
> >
> > Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
> > run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> > association thats fine no one will stop you.
> >
> > Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
> > the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
> > $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
> > think its a good wicket.
> >
> >
> > And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
> > they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
> > champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
> > olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
> > season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
> > trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
> > line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
> >
> > My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> > on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> > his remington left handed side be side.
> >
> > But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> > own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> > this to me?
> >
> > Best wishes for the festive season,
> >                                                 Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Dec 22 03:00:49 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:30:49 +1030
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <20051222.001504.1336.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000601c606e6$f839f370$5bc08890@chaos>

Buy your right here :)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41386751

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> >But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?
> =        =        =        =        =        
> Because we, as Americans, have the right to.
> "Need" has nothing to do with it.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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>



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Thu Dec 22 04:18:25 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:18:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16
References: <200512211700.jBLH05p3026150@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <014a01c606f1$cf49e7d0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Message: 23
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:38:56 -0600
From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <000801c60644$a7a63bf0$9701a8c0 at yourus67pi6luv>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre driver.
Dan Bousman

You CAN be ..... 8^)

Fly this and many more .....

Micro$oft Flight simulator 2004 .......

Lovely little one CA27_v1.zip  at www.aussim.com.au ......


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 22 04:25:26 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:25:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <2a5.2a004c9.30dbf536@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/22/2005 12:15:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ozhornsby at yahoo.com writes:

<< Please mates give it a break  >>


Hi Kerry,

As it has been said: "Cabin fever has set in once again."  

Maybe it is time to change the subject:  MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY FRIENDS IN 
THE WORLD

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec 22 04:51:23 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:51:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <3088.165.206.180.19.1135255883.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

So how has this now suddenly digressed into guns on the SEL when there is
slick that has some very interesting threads on guns, gun ownership and
laws, etc.

WOW, I was hoping this mess was slowly being dropped - now it's gone to
guns and other things far above the original message/complaint.

Bill

> Hi guys,
>            I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions
> has been removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia
> isnt immune and we all have stories of how people successfully
> sued and won for seemingly stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis,
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                  Adam
>
>
>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 04:53:10 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:53:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
Message-ID: <002e01c606f6$a9cffee0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


 Rob you wouldn't of got a ride in an F-86. Joe Lynch crashed the only 2
 seater  they built. He rolled too soon on take off at Nellis  AFB
in Las Vegas on a  demonstration  tour in 1954. They did build some
2 seater F-100's . I worked on the  production line of the F-86
 and in Enginenering Flight Test on the F-86, F-100 and F-107
and then as a  Tech Rep on the Sabreliner  business jet. Once I
even conned a Sabreliner operator in  picking up a set of
 Stickney engine trucks in Witchita, Kansas and flying them to me in St.
 Louis, MO . It was while I was on assignment in St. Louis that
my neighbor got me  interested in Hit and Miss engines.

 Charlie Bryant
> Jay, Maine
> (ice quite not thick enough for ice fishing yet)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
>
>
>>> No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
>> driver.
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
>> and drool.
>> Rob
>>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec 22 04:53:48 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:53:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
	<fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <3106.165.206.180.19.1135256028.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

People use CARS and TRUCKS as deadly weapons on a daily basis in the US
and those aren't banned.............

I could stab you to death with a pencil and those aren't banned.

I could use a sling and hit you hard enough with a rock to kill you yet I
can own both rocks and slings.

Bill

>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need
>> to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please
>> explain this to me?
>
> You don't "need" to own that side by side shotgun, or a bow, or an
> engine, but you want to. There are people who own (having gone through
> intensive government investigation and paid heavy taxation to do so)
> arms like you mention, because they're fascinated with them and play
> with them like we do our old engines. They're not hurting anyone.
> Contrary to some myths, it's been pretty hard to legally own such
> things as fully automatic weapons, short barrelled shotguns or rifles,
> or "destructive devices" such as antitank weapons in the U.S. since
> 1934.
>
> But why should folks who aren't going to misuse them be forbidden from
> having them? The same question applies to all other categories of
> weaponry, including so-called "assault weapons" with semiautomatic
> actions and ugly black plastic stocks.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 08:15:00 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
References: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>
	<6f6025160512211005q1e63903bv237e7671daa5013e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c60712$dd0780a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

I worked with Bob Hoover at Palmdale and Edwards AFB in California from 1954
to 1957.
 In the  70's I went to 2 Paris Air Shows, 2 Hanover,Germany shows and the
Reno,Nevada Air
Races with him.He is one of the few old test pilots I still know . I don't
know any old Crop
Duster Pilots because like a lot of Test Pilots they  "Went West" before
they got old..
("Went West" meaning they were killed in crashes or have died). After
getting involved
in the engine hobby I managed to co-ordinate a few of my trips with engine
shows and
swap meets in that area (can you imagine going to engine shows and swap
meets on
an airplane expence account).

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(back where I started from)


---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> On 12/21/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Rob,
> > In the late '50s, I worked for North American Aviation at  Fresno.  Our
main
> > effort was modifying F-86Ds into F-86Ls.  We  also did some work on
F-86Ks.
> > The K models were the hot rod of the F-86  series.
> > Bob Hoover really could put these planes through maneuvers that  many
pilots
> > thought impossible.  I watch him clover leaf one at an air  show.
> >
> > Francis  Maciel
> > Santa Maria, CA
> >
>
> Bob Hoover figures a lot in the Yeager autobiography, it's a very good
> book and well worth reading.
>
> Peter
> --
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 08:10:16 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:10:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
Message-ID: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>

Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
wanted too. If it isn?t about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
think these needs to be buried and let?s go onto something new. Sorry, just
ran out of shovels.


McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles






From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 07:47:46 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:47:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
Message-ID: <20051222.111512.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>

What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking
equipment, 
safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
Dan Bousman
=        =        =        =        
Hi Dan,

That was just sarcasm, I'm sure you know.

But - If you got hurt wearing all the "safety" garb - 
I guess the company took all the precautions it could and suing would be
a lot harder.
I'm sure all that garb is required by their "Insurance Company" in order
to keep premiums low.

I'm a bit disappointed as most of the automobile "Junk Yards" don't allow
you to roam any more.
I've always loved doing that.
Now - You tell them what you want and they either have it or they don't.
There is one that I can still go to here in Finleyville and search for
what I want.

As for metal scrap yards - I can't think of any where I could do that.

Arnie mentioned that he knows of one.  I'd like to know where it is.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
(_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 08:12:33 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:12:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad (Semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221023070.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Adam,

> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> Machinery Assocition are a member of.

However, the EFFECT of putting forth those guidelines is to cause Aussie
engine rallys to be gift-wrapped in orange fences (and other types).
Which, I suspect has the subtle effect of conveying to the general public
that this wonderful old iron is inherently VERY dangerous.

> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront
> risk.

However, in the lawsuit-happy US of A, this has not happened nor been
found to be necessary.  EDG&TA functions like your national group and
provides VERY affordable insurance (I think priced similar to yours ~$12
/ year).  And as we all have observed across the world, there has not been
bloody carnage associated with unfenced engine rallys.  That is not to
say that the potential for violence hasn't been there.  I've seen some
women spectators in white outfits get VERY angry when they discovered that
they were now covered in black "Petter spots."  8-)))

> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> his remington left handed side be side.

Sounds like you've come from a family with a shooting tradition.  Which
makes your question below simply incomprehensible.  Let me probe your gun
ownership a bit.  You've got granddad's side-by-side double.  OK, what if
granddad had owned a pump shotgun?  Or a semi-auto, like a Remington 1100?
That shotgun is probably the most common on US trap fields.  What about
pistols?  If granddad had owned a lovely German Luger or a broom-handle
Mauser; would you have been allowed to keep either of those beautiful
semi-auto pistols?  How about rifles?  If granddad had been a hunter of
larger or meaner game, would you have been allowed to keep his bolt action
rifle?  Methinks you own about the limit of what your government will
allow.  And if I were to guess, you may be forced eventually to live the
reality of your granddad's hunting advice; and be limited to a single-shot
shotgun.

> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?

Ahhhh, Adam.  How can you, as a member of THIS list, ask a "why" question
about toys that includes the word "need"?  The mind boggles...

Why do I NEED a sideshaft engine?  Why do I NEED a lampstart engine?  Why
do I NEED any engines at all?  Obviously the answer is I don't NEED any of
them, but I bloody well sure as hell do WANT them and enjoy playing with
them.

So it is for full-auto weapons and destructive devices like anti-tank
guns.  I had the very great pleasure of attending one of the events at the
Knob Creek gun range in Kentucky.  http://www.knobcreekrange.com

Knob Creek is the Portland for the guys with Class 3 Federal Firearms
Licenses.  It's where they bring their biggest, baddest, and very best
toys to impress their friends (and us poor drooling spectators) and HAVE
FUN!!  And believe me, these guys HAVE FUN!!!  There is nothing quite like
firing an M2 .50 machine gun at 350 rounds per minute chewing an old car,
or refrigerator, etc. to scrap.  Well, maybe being at the controls of a
quad .50 unit, or a Mini-gun (thousands of rounds per minute), or a
flame-thrower, or ...  The list goes on and on.  As does the shooting.
Nothing dies (except the bloke's bank account), no one is hurt (except any
spectator stupid enough to not wear hearing protection), and every one has
FUN.

The US is fortunate in that responsible citizens can own and play with any
sort of weapon they can afford.  You do need to get a Class 3 FFL (costs
about $3,000 and a LOT of examination into your life).  You also need to
be very wealthy to play with those toys.  My personal dream is to someday
own an M2 .50 machine gun.  The gun would start at ~$30K after I had my
Class 3 license.  Ammo is around $1.00 per round.  So at 350 rounds per
minute, well, do the math...  The guys on the shooting line at Knob Creek
had pallets loaded with CASES of ammo.  Again, do the math.  Shipping the
guns and ammo is also VERY expensive.  For the most part, this is a rich
man's hobby.  We're not talking about some dirt-poor backwoods cracker
with an anti-tank weapon in Texas.

So, bottom line, we're talking wants not needs.  Like our hobby, shooting
is FUN!  I'm sure your parents and grandparents taught you that.  I engage
in mostly informal pistol and rifle shooting these days; mostly with
semi-auto ex-military weapons.  I used to shoot a lot of skeet, but none
of the nearby ranges have skeet ranges.  I enjoy shooting very much.  For
the very same reasons that I enjoy the old engines.  I'm sure the
environmental wackos demonize my hydrocarbon & smoke belching old engines
every bit as much as do the gun banners vilify my weapons.  Fortunatly,
our firearms ownership is protected by the Second Ammendment to our
Constitution.  Our old engines have no such protection.

> Best wishes for the festive season,

And a MERRY CHRISTMAS to you as well!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I LOVE threads like this.  It's the only time we get most of the
lurkers to poke their heads up and post something!  Rather than bitch
about a thread that you don't like (as your ONLY contribution to the
content of the list), why not tell us about your engine-related interests,
your collection, etc.  A simple bitch-note (without even snipping the
content that you're bitching about) is less than useless.

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 08:20:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:20:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221113090.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

Explain it to you?  If you're a "reasonably bright fellow" I would guess
that you would pick that up by READING the posts.  Most in the thread have
been well written.

However, I would expect that a "reasonably bright fellow" would also SNIP
the unneeded dreck when he posted what amounts to a bitch note.  Ever hear
of the "snip" concept?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Just in case you're totally missing everything I've said, armadillos
are critters that live in Texas that wear nature-provided body armor.
8-))  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

> I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this
> is going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
>   JM
>
> Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos
> are tough creatures
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Cottrill"
> >
> > But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> > own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this
> > to me?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 08:29:45 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:29:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS, FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT
	OF TWO NATIONS
In-Reply-To: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221127410.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Lyle,

Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about
your engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Lyle Myles wrote:

> Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
> I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
> wanted too. If it isn?t about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
> fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
> important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> think these needs to be buried and let?s go onto something new. Sorry, just
> ran out of shovels.




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 08:58:51 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:58:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS, FUNNY VESTS AND THE
	GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
In-Reply-To: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Lyle,
         I agree with you 100%! Like you, I think that I am so important 
that others should discuss ONLY what is of interest to ME on the List! I 
just don't know where others get off thinking that they can post something 
of interest/importance to them. They should have more concern about MY 
feelings and MY important time in having to delete what is of no interest 
to ME!
         Dave


At 11:10 AM 12/22/2005, you wrote:
>Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
>old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
>I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
>wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
>fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
>Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
>threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
>important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
>think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry, just
>ran out of shovels.
>
>
>McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
>America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
>chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
>Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec 22 09:01:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:01:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
Message-ID: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>

I agree with Lyle, I think it is time to move on. (and don't get stared about moveon.org)

Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows, unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
> Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
> I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
> wanted too. If it isn?t about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
> fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
> important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> think these needs to be buried and let?s go onto something new. Sorry, just
> ran out of shovels.
> 
> 
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
> 
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 09:34:01 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:34:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
In-Reply-To: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
References: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:

> Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
> unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
> building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
>
> Tom in St. Louis

Too cold is just a state of mind.

I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
as it could have been.

I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.

There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
the winter even in the snow.

Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then Europe,
then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!

So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 10:15:18 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
Message-ID: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I feel your pain Dave. 
Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all will be
well with the world. 
Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at 90? F. 
Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting ready
for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor fired. 
Life is good.
Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
Merry Christmas.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:58:51 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
> Hi Lyle,
>          I agree with you 100%! Like you, I think that I am so 
> important 
> that others should discuss ONLY what is of interest to ME on the 
> List! I 
> just don't know where others get off thinking that they can post 
> something 
> of interest/importance to them. They should have more concern about 
> MY 
> feelings and MY important time in having to delete what is of no 
> interest 
> to ME!
>          Dave


From oldengin at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 10:18:09 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:18:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43AAEDE1.1070809@verizon.net>

R & M Ingold wrote:

> Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that 
> the battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
> You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint 
> interested in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
> I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
> I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>
> If the government can have its way your shop will soon be under their 
> rule also!!!!!



-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From oldengin at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 10:35:52 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:35:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AAF208.1020903@verizon.net>

Arnie Fero wrote:

>
> LOTS of fun!!
>
>So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>  
>
How about the Delco and a maytag... maybe even a model?

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 10:40:04 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:40:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad/now VERY OT
In-Reply-To: <3106.165.206.180.19.1135256028.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
	<fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>
	<3106.165.206.180.19.1135256028.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222133903.0458ab68@mail.alltel.net>


>I could use a sling and hit you hard enough with a rock to kill you yet I
>can own both rocks and slings.
>
>Bill

Hi Bill, 2008 is almost here. When it arrives Hillary will change all that!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 11:09:58 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:09:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c6072b$4e7f46b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 
> states at 900 F. 

Damn Ron!  It's gonna be one HELL of a job repouring the
babbitt in all your engines!  If it gets that warm very
often in Riverside, you'd be better off replacing all your
babbitt bearings with bronze.  

Rob




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 11:11:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:11:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>

Thank you Ron. Your concern for my pain is appreciated! Yes, Arnie and I 
plan to make the trip left again this year (ie 2006) for the Tulare show! 
It's been too long since we saw some of our friends (and their engines) on 
the left coast! My BIG Christmas present is in the barn. It's a complete 
(and running) Witte drag saw that Arnie found for me on e-bay. I was high 
bidder and went to NJ to pick it up about a month ago. Made it out and back 
while my wife was at a conference, so she does not even know that I bought 
it. I'll bring it up to the house Christmas eve (after she has gone to 
sleep) and put it next to the tree. I intend to have the card read :"TO 
Dave FROM Santa."
         Dave
PS, Wish me LUCK!
PPS, Yes, Life IS Good!
PPPS, And a Merry Christmas to you as well!

>I feel your pain Dave.
>Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all will be
>well with the world.
>Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at 90? F.
>Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting ready
>for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor fired.
>Life is good.
>Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
>Merry Christmas.
>Ron Haskell




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 11:24:21 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:24:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221113090.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> armadillos are critters that live in Texas that wear 
> nature-provided body armor. 8-))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo

Listen you tree hugging hippie, nature had noting to do 
with the armadillo's armor.  It was Intelligent Design. 

Rob






From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec 22 11:25:50 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:25:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
Message-ID: <122220051925.6626.43AAFDBD0009BE96000019E221587667209B04049A03@att.net>

Arnie,

I can certainly see why a show at a shopping mall wouldn't be much fun. I don't think the shoppers would be too interested in old engines. (gotta get to the shoe sale at the department store before all the good ones are gone, etc.)

I was thinking more like a heated barn or something like that. There is an indoor horse riding building near me. Something like that would work.

But I guess the cost to rent such a building would make it difficult to have a show that would not bring in much (if any) money.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> Hi Tom,
> 
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:
> 
> > Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
> > unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
> > building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
> >
> > Tom in St. Louis
> 
> Too cold is just a state of mind.
> 
> I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
> of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
> and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
> as it could have been.
> 
> I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
> Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
> hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.
> 
> There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
> the winter even in the snow.
> 
> Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
> bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then Europe,
> then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
> 
> So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
> Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
> Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 11:36:37 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:36:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read my
	post
Message-ID: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>


Lyle DeWitt Myles
P.O. Box 185
507 Courtright Street
McGuffey, OH 45859

12/22/2005 2:14:42 PM

To all list members
Arnie Fero sent me an e-mail and I thought it was good enough to pass on to
the other members of our group. I have only been subscribed to this
membership for about three weeks. I thought it was about old iron, engines
and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I think
I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on airplanes,
mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. I know
there are times one has to blow off steam but with what I have been reading
these last ten days I?m surprised someone has not blown a boiler. When you
get cabin fever I would do what Arnie suggests. Post pictures of your old
iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then go on
to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards. You could
even tell the members your expertise on rebuilding or how you keep your
engine or old iron in show room condition. Let?s get back to basics as to
what this members list is suppose to be about. I?m new to this hobby and
want to learn about old iron and any types of engines, steam is my favorite
and not about mining, funny costumes or what ever. If I have offended any
one I am sorry. That is not my intention to hurt any ones feelings. I joined
to become more educated in a hobby I have started to love and I hope other
members feel the same way I do. Thank to each and every one of you that took
time to read my post.  I have enclosed a copy of Arnie?s e-mail to me for
other to read. Arnie I hope it was alright to post your e-mail with this
post.

Hi Lyle,

Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about your
engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles






From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 11:54:06 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:54:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
Message-ID: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Really it wasn't that hot yesterday.  Just 90? F.  (that is 90 degrees) I
am typing ? and it shows degrees on my screen, maybe it is getting
changed to 0 somewhere.
Have a Merry Christmas all.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> I feel your pain Dave. 
> Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all 
> will be
> well with the world. 
> Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at 
> 900 F. 
> Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting 
> ready
> for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor 
> fired. 
> Life is good.
> Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
> Merry Christmas.


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Dec 22 12:03:39 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:03:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <000e01c60732$cd352810$111f7546@mycomputer>

All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a chance against all 
of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it would be easy. 
nuff said.

Tom
Texas
USA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run 
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the 
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club 
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, 
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to 
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this 
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 11:50:18 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:50:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221449090.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>

Ahhhhh, THAT is a brilliant plan!!!  8-))))

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> My BIG Christmas present is in the barn. It's a complete
> (and running) Witte drag saw that Arnie found for me on e-bay. I was high
> bidder and went to NJ to pick it up about a month ago. Made it out and back
> while my wife was at a conference, so she does not even know that I bought
> it. I'll bring it up to the house Christmas eve (after she has gone to
> sleep) and put it next to the tree. I intend to have the card read :"TO
> Dave FROM Santa."
>          Dave
> PS, Wish me LUCK!



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Thu Dec 22 12:17:32 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:17:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] automatic rifle
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <00b301c60734$bf8a3f00$e7058347@D6R3D961>

Isnt it a type of recipicating engine, I understand there were early engines 
that used coal dust, gun powder and other stuff to make the fire.
Just fanning the flames here
Roger 




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 13:40:06 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:40:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THEGOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Dave , my 2 cents. As you know there are two choices out there. One the SEL
which
from its beginning several years back has always and probably always will
have
a lot of "Off Topic" subjects and there is SMOKSTAK which has very few. I
choose both.
It only takes a fraction of a second to hit the "DELETE"  key and I even do
this
on several engine subjects. I am guilty on the Airplane bit but seeing it
was an Off
Topic subject I thought I had something of interest to add. I for one think
it is great
we have so many collectors from countries all over the world participating.
I
just wish I could meet and visit all of you .

Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine.
The Pine Tree State


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS, FUNNY VESTS AND THEGOVERNMENT
OF TWO NATIONS


> Hi Lyle,
>          I agree with you 100%! Like you, I think that I am so important
> that others should discuss ONLY what is of interest to ME on the List! I
> just don't know where others get off thinking that they can post something
> of interest/importance to them. They should have more concern about MY
> feelings and MY important time in having to delete what is of no interest
> to ME!
>          Dave
>
>
> At 11:10 AM 12/22/2005, you wrote:
> >Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> >old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for
me
> >I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if
we
> >wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have
cabin
> >fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> >Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> >threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are

> >important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> >think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry,
just
> >ran out of shovels.
> >
> >
> >McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> >America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> >chair.
> >  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
> >
> >Lyle DeWitt Myles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Thu Dec 22 13:01:15 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:01:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read
	mypost
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <003801c6073a$d9596590$6400a8c0@number1>

Ah heck Lyle all the boys are so sited bout xmas that they have to get off 
in a tanjet ever once in a while..We all have a lot of hobbies and once in a 
while we got to tell it to some body.. You will find out this is the nicest 
bunch of good ole boys you will ever run in to they find ya old iron,dragg 
it across the states so you can save on freight or even just get it cause it 
stuck in some ones garage out in the boons when a truck wont even go. They 
will give there Idea on how to get a engine running help ya pour new 
bearings,and even drink your beer thats getting old.
So I,m back to another hobby or at lest trying to get a VESPA  running yes 
I,m going to pull a Dave also on xmas eve..
Merry xmas to all stick with us
Don some where in north west ohio also
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read 
mypost


>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
> P.O. Box 185
> 507 Courtright Street
> McGuffey, OH 45859
>
> 12/22/2005 2:14:42 PM
>
> To all list members
> Arnie Fero sent me an e-mail and I thought it was good enough to pass on 
> to
> the other members of our group. I have only been subscribed to this
> membership for about three weeks. I thought it was about old iron, engines
> and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I 
> think
> I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on 
> airplanes,
> mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. I know
> there are times one has to blow off steam but with what I have been 
> reading
> these last ten days I'm surprised someone has not blown a boiler. When you
> get cabin fever I would do what Arnie suggests. Post pictures of your old
> iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then go 
> on
> to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards. You could
> even tell the members your expertise on rebuilding or how you keep your
> engine or old iron in show room condition. Let's get back to basics as to
> what this members list is suppose to be about. I'm new to this hobby and
> want to learn about old iron and any types of engines, steam is my 
> favorite
> and not about mining, funny costumes or what ever. If I have offended any
> one I am sorry. That is not my intention to hurt any ones feelings. I 
> joined
> to become more educated in a hobby I have started to love and I hope other
> members feel the same way I do. Thank to each and every one of you that 
> took
> time to read my post.  I have enclosed a copy of Arnie's e-mail to me for
> other to read. Arnie I hope it was alright to post your e-mail with this
> post.
>
> Hi Lyle,
>
> Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about 
> your
> engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?
>
> See ya, Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 13:31:39 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read
	my post
Message-ID: <20051222.163547.808.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Post pictures of your old
iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then go
on
to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards.
=        =        =        =        =        =        
Very good Lyle,

Stop in at "My Engine Shed"  www.oldengine.org/members/betz and - While
you're at it - 
Go to Oldengine.org and stop at some other's sheds.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Dec 22 13:54:12 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:54:12 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <000e01c60732$cd352810$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <002101c60742$3ea5ff60$8335c53e@doc>

That's what you think.... :-)


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  (somewhere in England)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Dunlap
> Sent: 22 December 2005 20:04
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad
> 
> All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a 
> chance against all 
> of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it 
> would be easy. 
> nuff said.
> 
> Tom
> Texas
> USA
> 
> 
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 14:08:05 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:08:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc. 
In-Reply-To: <003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net>
	<003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <bd94710824b1dc14b7b80611410861a0@chartertn.net>

Charlie, when I was in elementary school I read the story of the North 
American test pilot who went up for a brief checkout in a developmental 
F-100 in his Sunday suit and ended up having to punch out at supersonic 
speed. He survived, though badly injured. Do you remember that 
incident?

(That thing was powered by a Pratt & Whitney J-57, which is an old 
engine.)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 14:26:39 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:26:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <000e01c60732$cd352810$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <4jshog$7q3ral@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

Well who'd want to take over Texas anyway?
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 4:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad

All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a chance against all 
of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it would be easy. 
nuff said.

Tom
Texas
USA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run

> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the

> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club

> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis,

> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to

> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on

> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this

> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 15:15:26 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:15:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] I started it ....I'll finish it...maybe!
Message-ID: <004e01c6074d$9b4b7e10$a9c231cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Whilst I don't agree with what a lot of you say ....one thing happens in a 
case like this it brings out those whom i have never heard of. As Dave and 
Arnie say does this offend your delicate sensitivities?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 14:02:56 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:02:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] automatic rifle
In-Reply-To: <00b301c60734$bf8a3f00$e7058347@D6R3D961>
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
	<00b301c60734$bf8a3f00$e7058347@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <031c06f7066b34067e757358a93492d2@chartertn.net>

I think of all of my firearms as free piston internal combustion 
engines. They just have longer strokes than the others.

John

On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Roger DiRuscio wrote:

> Isnt it a type of recipicating engine, I understand there were early 
> engines that used coal dust, gun powder and other stuff to make the 
> fire.
> Just fanning the flames here
> Roger


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 16:07:41 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:07:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to
	readmypost
In-Reply-To: <003801c6073a$d9596590$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <000001c60754$e8164a20$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Lyle,

To coin a phrase from a well know TV talk show host here in the USA, "IT
AINT ABOUT YOU!"

Not meant to offend, but, there are a number of posts that go on this
list that I don't care to follow as well.  However, we are all big boys
and should know how to use our delete keys!  So, if it isn't of
interest, delete it, don't whine about it!  Of course, I feel the same
way about TV and Radio programs as well.  If you don't like what's on,
change the channel!

Enough of that, I do welcome you to the list and the hobby!  As others
such as Don has said, it is a pretty good group of people!  But, most of
us are very passionate about our freedoms and beliefs and will defend
them to the utmost.  

As for the New Year's crank up, I am still planning on firing at least
three of my engines.  Probably my Fairbanks 10HP N, my 1 1/2HP Hercules
and hopefully for the first time since I have owned it my 2 1/2HP
Caille.  The Caille has been a 4 year project looking for pieces and
parts to get it put together.  For those of you wondering, it is the
same as a Detroit upright.  

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Don.H
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:01 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to
readmypost

Ah heck Lyle all the boys are so sited bout xmas that they have to get
off 
in a tanjet ever once in a while..We all have a lot of hobbies and once
in a 
while we got to tell it to some body.. You will find out this is the
nicest 
bunch of good ole boys you will ever run in to they find ya old
iron,dragg 
it across the states so you can save on freight or even just get it
cause it 
stuck in some ones garage out in the boons when a truck wont even go.
They 
will give there Idea on how to get a engine running help ya pour new 
bearings,and even drink your beer thats getting old.
So I,m back to another hobby or at lest trying to get a VESPA  running
yes 
I,m going to pull a Dave also on xmas eve..
Merry xmas to all stick with us
Don some where in north west ohio also
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read

mypost


>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
> P.O. Box 185
> 507 Courtright Street
> McGuffey, OH 45859
>
> 12/22/2005 2:14:42 PM
>
> To all list members
> Arnie Fero sent me an e-mail and I thought it was good enough to pass
on 
> to
> the other members of our group. I have only been subscribed to this
> membership for about three weeks. I thought it was about old iron,
engines
> and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I 
> think
> I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on 
> airplanes,
> mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. I
know
> there are times one has to blow off steam but with what I have been 
> reading
> these last ten days I'm surprised someone has not blown a boiler. When
you
> get cabin fever I would do what Arnie suggests. Post pictures of your
old
> iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then
go 
> on
> to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards. You
could
> even tell the members your expertise on rebuilding or how you keep
your
> engine or old iron in show room condition. Let's get back to basics as
to
> what this members list is suppose to be about. I'm new to this hobby
and
> want to learn about old iron and any types of engines, steam is my 
> favorite
> and not about mining, funny costumes or what ever. If I have offended
any
> one I am sorry. That is not my intention to hurt any ones feelings. I 
> joined
> to become more educated in a hobby I have started to love and I hope
other
> members feel the same way I do. Thank to each and every one of you
that 
> took
> time to read my post.  I have enclosed a copy of Arnie's e-mail to me
for
> other to read. Arnie I hope it was alright to post your e-mail with
this
> post.
>
> Hi Lyle,
>
> Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about

> your
> engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?
>
> See ya, Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
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> 


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From reb at apex.net  Thu Dec 22 16:09:25 2005
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:09:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
References: <122220051925.6626.43AAFDBD0009BE96000019E221587667209B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <006601c60755$22bdda80$0202a8c0@Dads>

I think there is supposed to be one in Murray KY next month in the Expo 
Center, not sure of the date though.

Dick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mullt at att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows


> Arnie,
>
> I can certainly see why a show at a shopping mall wouldn't be much fun. I 
> don't think the shoppers would be too interested in old engines. (gotta 
> get to the shoe sale at the department store before all the good ones are 
> gone, etc.)
>
> I was thinking more like a heated barn or something like that. There is an 
> indoor horse riding building near me. Something like that would work.
>
> But I guess the cost to rent such a building would make it difficult to 
> have a show that would not bring in much (if any) money.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:
>>
>> > Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
>> > unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
>> > building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
>> >
>> > Tom in St. Louis
>>
>> Too cold is just a state of mind.
>>
>> I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
>> of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
>> and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
>> as it could have been.
>>
>> I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
>> Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
>> hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.
>>
>> There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
>> the winter even in the snow.
>>
>> Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
>> bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then 
>> Europe,
>> then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
>>
>> So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>> Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>> Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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> 




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 17:44:08 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:44:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd><6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net><003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<bd94710824b1dc14b7b80611410861a0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Yes I was there at the time. It was Frank Smith, a production flight test
pilot .I worked
in Engineering Flight Test which was the experimental testing. . The F-100
was mfg.
in Los Angeles and flown from there to Palmdale for flight testing and
delivery to
the Air Force. The P&W J-57 engine was a good engine. We never had too
many problems with it. Hoover had a flame out at 40,000 feet and dead
sticked
it in rather than bail out. He totaled the airplane on landing and hurt his
back.I believe
 it was him later on was doing flat spin tests and had to bail out.
George "Wheaties" Welch, Chief Engineering Flight Test Pilot, was killed
when his F-100 yawed side ways in dive tests and broke apart.
Welch was one of the few pilots that got off during Pearl Harbor  bombing
and
shot down any Japanese planes. Through mergers North American Aviation
later became Rockwell International which has since been acquired by Boeing.

Hey guys I am just answering an OT question so please don't flame me too
bad.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(from the home state of Prince Stevens who received
"Many Thanks" from C.H. Wendel for contributing
research material for his  book on American Gasoline Engines)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.


> Charlie, when I was in elementary school I read the story of the North
> American test pilot who went up for a brief checkout in a developmental
> F-100 in his Sunday suit and ended up having to punch out at supersonic
> speed. He survived, though badly injured. Do you remember that
> incident?
>
> (That thing was powered by a Pratt & Whitney J-57, which is an old
> engine.)
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 16:49:22 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:49:22 +0800
Subject: [SEL] you have asked for it now Ray!!
Message-ID: <003201c6075a$ba6f8680$a9c231cb@ogborneuah38i3>

What have you done Ray? The wrath of the United States of America will now 
descend on you. It will consist of snake dancers ,Mormons[ and morons] 
televangelists, Moonies,militia, religious fundamentalists,flat 
earthers,intelligent designers,the cast of the Bold and the Beautiful, 
Arnold Schrarzneger [sic] ,the ghost of Charlton Heston, the 
Rajhnashies[sic] ,Scientoligists,Billy Graham,Offrah, Jerry Fawell, 
Pluto,Mickey Mouse, even John Howard and Tony Blair et al.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 22 17:09:04 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:09:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hit Miss Show on PBS Now
Message-ID: <010301c6075d$784ea210$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey gang PBS is showing a great Hit Miss engine show on the Waterloo engines 
right now.

Paul




From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 17:31:57 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:31:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: New Years Crank up
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AB538D.2040604@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

I'll be running the Maytag cause it's all I got. The compression release 
really helps. I can now run it with a 1/4 horse electric motor.

Jeff

P.S. E-bay has returned to sanity. The insane pre Christmas bidding is 
over.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Arnie Fero wrote:

>So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>
>  
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 17:38:18 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:38:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps
Message-ID: <20051222.173818.276.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Gary.  I tried to reply to your post, but your address bounced? 
sdflk at fidnet.com

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 18:17:19 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:17:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read
	my	post
In-Reply-To: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43AB5E2F.4060004@earthlink.net>

Hi Lyle,

I've been here for a few years and it does get crazy now and then. Beats 
the hell out of "test" in the subject line cause there is no traffic. 
Lots of knowledge here when you need it and a great bunch willing to 
share it. I seldom use the delete key, but it is available to you. There 
is a lot of OT here, and I left once because of it. I came back because 
it's a great list. Hope you stick around and get to know us.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Lyle Myles wrote in part:

>I thought it was about old iron, engines
>and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I think
>I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on airplanes,
>mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. 
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 18:07:34 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:07:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.
In-Reply-To: <000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd><6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net><003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<bd94710824b1dc14b7b80611410861a0@chartertn.net>
	<000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <056d884671eb39962f8464d176fb7a05@chartertn.net>

Thanks, Charlie!

Some people may fuss about being "off topic," but I think it's awesome 
to be able to talk to someone that was THERE when fascinating things 
like that were happening! I've read about guys like Chuck Yeager, Bob 
Hoover, and George Welch for most of my life. Never talked to anybody 
that knew 'em before. And some of y'all might want to find out a bit 
more about that story about Frank Smith (thanks, Charlie!) punching out 
at over Mach 1. It was the first time anybody did that and lived to 
talk about it, and it was a pretty close thing for him.

I run into people with terrific experience in various fields on boards 
where we're supposed to be talking about guitars, or Hammond organs, 
blues music, or collecting old vacuum tubes. It's amazing what you can 
learn when everybody doesn't stay on topic all the time.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Thu Dec 22 18:47:18 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:47:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
References: <20051222.111512.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004801c6076b$32e56f70$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

As far as being able to roam the scrapyard, a veritable treasure trove for 
the home shop machinist is The Yard Store in Wichita, Kansas.  It gets 
salvage from all the aircraft manufacturers, and you can prowl to your 
hearts content.  Address 725 Central.  Usual disclaimers.  Just a satisfied 
customer.
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??


> What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking
> equipment,
> safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
> Dan Bousman
> =        =        =        =
> Hi Dan,
>
> That was just sarcasm, I'm sure you know.
>
> But - If you got hurt wearing all the "safety" garb -
> I guess the company took all the precautions it could and suing would be
> a lot harder.
> I'm sure all that garb is required by their "Insurance Company" in order
> to keep premiums low.
>
> I'm a bit disappointed as most of the automobile "Junk Yards" don't allow
> you to roam any more.
> I've always loved doing that.
> Now - You tell them what you want and they either have it or they don't.
> There is one that I can still go to here in Finleyville and search for
> what I want.
>
> As for metal scrap yards - I can't think of any where I could do that.
>
> Arnie mentioned that he knows of one.  I'd like to know where it is.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 19:41:11 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221449090.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221449090.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222223941.045a0540@mail.alltel.net>

If it works I intend to write a book on the subject--it will be an even 
BIGGER seller that the bible among engine collectors!
         Dave

At 02:50 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote:
>Ahhhhh, THAT is a brilliant plan!!!  8-))))
>
>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> > My BIG Christmas present is in the barn. It's a complete
> > (and running) Witte drag saw that Arnie found for me on e-bay. I was high
> > bidder and went to NJ to pick it up about a month ago. Made it out and back
> > while my wife was at a conference, so she does not even know that I bought
> > it. I'll bring it up to the house Christmas eve (after she has gone to
> > sleep) and put it next to the tree. I intend to have the card read :"TO
> > Dave FROM Santa."
> >          Dave
> > PS, Wish me LUCK!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 20:11:19 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:11:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.
In-Reply-To: <000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <009501c60776$eee554a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Hey guys I am just answering an OT question so please
don't 
> flame me too bad.

Hey Charlie,
Any engineman worth his salt also loves old aircraft.  

Rob




From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Dec 22 20:26:49 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
Message-ID: <410-220051252342649125@coastalnet.com>

If it doesn't work then the real Bible might play a central
part in the service to follow.

         Ken




> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/22/2005 11:24:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
>
> If it works I intend to write a book on the subject--it will be an even 
> BIGGER seller that the bible among engine collectors!
>          Dave





From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Dec 22 20:46:23 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:46:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps
References: <20051222.173818.276.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c6077b$d7997c90$6883fb40@gary>

Hi Ron,
I tried to reply twice on list.  Popup window said mail successfully sent,
but it is not in my sent mail box.  Did you receive either or both?

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps


> Gary.  I tried to reply to your post, but your address bounced?
> sdflk at fidnet.com
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 20:46:34 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:46:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright
In-Reply-To: <000001c60754$e8164a20$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
References: <000001c60754$e8164a20$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <1135313194.43ab812a4665a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Chuck,

I'm really interested in the Caille.  Any chance of pictures?  There's some
really interesting history out there in terms of the development of this
two-stroke engine.  Caille, Middleditch, Detroit, and Bessemer are all fully
involved.  Do you have any history or background info on the engine?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net>:

> As for the New Year's crank up, I am still planning on firing at least
> three of my engines.  Probably my Fairbanks 10HP N, my 1 1/2HP Hercules
> and hopefully for the first time since I have owned it my 2 1/2HP
> Caille.  The Caille has been a 4 year project looking for pieces and
> parts to get it put together.  For those of you wondering, it is the
> same as a Detroit upright.  
> 
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 20:57:51 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:57:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>

HAH, you Latte swilling pacifist!!  If it was truly Intelligent Design, weapons
would have been included in addition to the body armor!  8-))

Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> > armadillos are critters that live in Texas that wear 
> > nature-provided body armor. 8-))
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo
> 
> Listen you tree hugging hippie, nature had noting to do 
> with the armadillo's armor.  It was Intelligent Design. 




From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 22 21:21:53 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:21:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <003b01c60780$c9c643a0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

So, did the Armadillo have to go to this intelligent place for a fitting or 
did they just Fed-X to him.

Ted 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 21:31:46 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:31:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0ad73b84384f8599c2de189433a96402@chartertn.net>

Remember the cover illustration on Emerson, Lake & Palmer's "Tarkus" 
album? Armadillo as WWI tank!

John

On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:57 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> HAH, you Latte swilling pacifist!!  If it was truly Intelligent 
> Design, weapons
> would have been included in addition to the body armor!  8-))
>
> Arnie

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 22:13:50 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:13:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps
Message-ID: <20051222.221351.276.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I got both Gary

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:46:23 -0600 "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
writes:
> Hi Ron,
> I tried to reply twice on list.  Popup window said mail successfully 
> sent,
> but it is not in my sent mail box.  Did you receive either or both?


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 22:17:09 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:17:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c60788$8361cfd0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> > > armadillos are critters that live in Texas that wear 
> > > nature-provided body armor. 8-))
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo


> > Listen you tree hugging hippie, nature had nothing to do

> > with the armadillo's armor.  It was Intelligent Design. 


> HAH, you Latte swilling pacifist!!  If it was truly 
> Intelligent Design, weapons
> would have been included in addition to the body armor!
8-))
> 
> Arnie

Clearly you've never seen the Texan Tactical Armadillo
System.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/Texan_Tactical_Armadillo_System.jp
g





From svsuzanne at copper.net  Fri Dec 23 02:17:43 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:17:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <004a01c607aa$1e8a1b40$b778e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

If you don't have a shovel just use the delete button.  It's easier on your 
back too.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF 
TWO NATIONS



Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry, just
ran out of shovels.


McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles




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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 02:51:19 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:51:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <003b01c60780$c9c643a0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <001401c607ae$d1ca2e30$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Must have went to the intelligent place.  If it was delivered Fed-X,
they would still be waiting on it!  


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Brookover
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:22 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad

So, did the Armadillo have to go to this intelligent place for a fitting
or 
did they just Fed-X to him.

Ted 


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 23 02:46:39 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:46:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<004a01c607aa$1e8a1b40$b778e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
Message-ID: <000901c607ae$2b5a4d00$478ba33a@ogborneuah38i3>

Just pull your head in Lyle !If you don't like it go and have a lie down.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <svsuzanne at copper.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT 
OF TWO NATIONS


> If you don't have a shovel just use the delete button.  It's easier on 
> your back too.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:10 AM
> Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT 
> OF TWO NATIONS
>
>
>
> Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for 
> me
> I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if 
> we
> wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have 
> cabin
> fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
> important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry, 
> just
> ran out of shovels.
>
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 03:03:30 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:03:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright
In-Reply-To: <1135313194.43ab812a4665a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c607b0$88c24770$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Hey Arnie,

I will see about getting some recent pictures up.  I have tried to get
some history on this particular engine, but have not been very
successful.  I obtained it 4 years ago from a good friend that we have
shown engines with for the past 25 years.  He had a stroke about 10
years ago and decided it was time to auction off most of his collection.
He can't talk or write anymore so I wasn't able to get much about where
we found it.  We do see that he gets to 6-8 shows each year with us!  

When I obtained the engine, it was missing the fuel injector nozzle.  I
had just about given up on finding an original part and was prepared to
have one manufactured when by luck and my Dad's persistence, one was
found at Portland.  

>From my research, I have found that Caille, Sundow, Detroit and Bessemer
all had the same basic engine, but that's about as far as I have been
able to discover.  There was an article in the November 1999 "The Old
Machinery Magazine" by Fred Little about the restoration of a 1911 4hp
Caille.  Mine looks pretty much like that one.  But I believe it to be a
size smaller.

I will see about posting some pictures here in the next few days.  If
you have any more history on these little engines, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright

Hi Chuck,

I'm really interested in the Caille.  Any chance of pictures?  There's
some
really interesting history out there in terms of the development of this
two-stroke engine.  Caille, Middleditch, Detroit, and Bessemer are all
fully
involved.  Do you have any history or background info on the engine?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net>:

> As for the New Year's crank up, I am still planning on firing at least
> three of my engines.  Probably my Fairbanks 10HP N, my 1 1/2HP
Hercules
> and hopefully for the first time since I have owned it my 2 1/2HP
> Caille.  The Caille has been a 4 year project looking for pieces and
> parts to get it put together.  For those of you wondering, it is the
> same as a Detroit upright.  
> 
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN 

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Dec 23 04:35:34 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:35:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!

Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
Russell

At 11:54 AM 22/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Really it wasn't that hot yesterday.  Just 90? F.  (that is 90 degrees) I
>am typing ? and it shows degrees on my screen, maybe it is getting
>changed to 0 somewhere.
>Have a Merry Christmas all.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> > I feel your pain Dave.
> > Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all
> > will be
> > well with the world.
> > Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at
> > 900 F.
> > Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting
> > ready
> > for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor
> > fired.
> > Life is good.
> > Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
> > Merry Christmas.
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 





From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 07:13:13 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:13:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] TWO NATIONS, FUNNY HATS ECT...
Message-ID: <000001c607d3$6519c780$b5b85904@lyle0592c054dd>


You know you are correct about the delete key. My problem is that I have
worn down my delete key finger from punching it so much. About my shovels,
well I did have those for sale but I never use one so I do not have to worry
about my back. I have a ?Track Hoe? for my heavy work and it is nice to hear
about new things and it is nice to hear from folks from other countries.
Some time you win some times you lose. When I get a new load of shovels I?ll
let the members know. HA! HA! Or HO! HO! HO!

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From mullt at att.net  Fri Dec 23 07:56:18 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:56:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] TWO NATIONS, FUNNY HATS ECT...
Message-ID: <122320051556.18536.43AC1E21000B83450000486821602806519B04049A03@att.net>

Lyle,

You are lucky your cats are on the floor under your chair. Our cat (the Meister) loves to warm his butt on top of my computer monitor. He is staring at me half asleep as I write this email.

Tom in St. Louis

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
> 
> You know you are correct about the delete key. My problem is that I have
> worn down my delete key finger from punching it so much. About my shovels,
> well I did have those for sale but I never use one so I do not have to worry
> about my back. I have a ?Track Hoe? for my heavy work and it is nice to hear
> about new things and it is nice to hear from folks from other countries.
> Some time you win some times you lose. When I get a new load of shovels I?ll
> let the members know. HA! HA! Or HO! HO! HO!
> 
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
> 
> Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 23 09:52:16 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:52:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] TWO NATIONS, FUNNY HATS ECT...
In-Reply-To: <122320051556.18536.43AC1E21000B83450000486821602806519B04049A03@att.n
	et>
References: <122320051556.18536.43AC1E21000B83450000486821602806519B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <4141.165.206.180.19.1135360336.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Mine like to send messages - they press the enter key or step on the mouse
button at the worst times.
Shadow has been known to press the DEL key.
He must've read Dave's message.

They have no interest in engines, however.

Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Hanukkah, have a great "I don't do holidays" or
whatever this weekend means to YOU.

Here's what I post in the other forums I'm on:

 To those who believe, Merry Christmas

To those who are Jewish, happy Hanukkah

To those who follow another, know that when we wish you "Merry Christmas",
we are simply wishing for you to experience the same joy in your hearts
that we feel in ours this time of year - that you may also know happiness
and good feelings, regardless of your beliefs. We do not wish to offend,
to push a religion on you, but merely wish to spread good feelings and
cheer, and wish for you to share in our happiness. There is no mal-intent,
so please, accept our "Merry Christmas" (or 'Happy Holidays') in the
manner in which it's intended - please also feel happy and good during our
time of celebration, share in our joys.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> Lyle,
>
> You are lucky your cats are on the floor under your chair. Our cat (the
> Meister) loves to warm his butt on top of my computer monitor. He is
> staring at me half asleep as I write this email.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
>>
>> You know you are correct about the delete key. My problem is that I have
>> worn down my delete key finger from punching it so much. About my
>> shovels,
>> well I did have those for sale but I never use one so I do not have to
>


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Dec 23 11:05:43 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:05:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read my
 post
In-Reply-To: <200512231700.jBNH059T017465@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200512232107515.SM01688@new.databak.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 23/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:36:37 -0500
>From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
>Subject:Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read my post
>
>Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>To all list members
>I have only been subscribed to this membership for about three weeks. I 
>thought it was about old iron, engines and members sharing information, 
>pictures, and where to find parts. I think
>I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on airplanes,
>mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under.

<snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>


>Hi Lyle,
         Welcome to one of the best lists around (I'm also new in that I've 
only been here for 2 years).
You have just been unlucky to have joined when there has been a lot of "Off 
Topic" stuff around. Hang in there - "Cabin Fever" does not last forever (I 
think).
         This list is a worldwide circle of friends involved in the old 
engine hobby (sometimes correctly described as "old engine insanity") and 
you will make plenty of new friends, read lots of stuff about engines and 
get all the help and information you need from these people.
         Many of these members have websites full of information and 
pictures and you can get to most of them by going to
<www.oldengine.org/members>
and following the links from there. Other members have websites elsewhere 
and you will pick these up as you go along.
         Hang in there - any day now someone will actually post something 
about engines :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Dec 23 10:48:24 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:48:24 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows/New Years crank up & Cabin Fever
In-Reply-To: <200512231700.jBNH059T017465@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051223202215.00b047c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 23/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Hi Tom,
><snip>
>Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
>bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then Europe,
>then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie,
         I'm disappointed that we are evidently excluded from the New Years 
"crank up".
Is this because we used to have "apartheid" or is there a more sinister 
reason?
         Africa is that big piece of green (or is it black?) land between 
Australia and the Americas if you are travelling with the sun. You must 
remember it - it's the place where those heavy boomerangs were first 
invented !!
         Just for spite I think I'm going to go out and find myself a 
Maytag and run that - then when the smoke reaches you I hope it makes your 
beer taste funny.
         (For those of you suffering from Cabin Fever I'm writing this with 
a big grin on my face.)

         On the subject of "Cabin Fever" - what is it ? I first thought 
that it was something caused by being cooped up indoors because of the snow 
(snowbound) that caused normally sane and civil people to get "cranky" and 
write nasty eMails to lists but now realise that I must be wrong because I 
see from the List that some of the Aussies also seem to have it and there 
is definitely no snow down there at the moment. (another grin).

Best wishes to all of you over the season of goodwill (even those with 
"Cabin Fever")

Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 23 11:29:37 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (ROGER DIRUSCIO)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright
In-Reply-To: <000001c607b0$88c24770$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <20051223192937.60760.qmail@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is the link to some caille engines
  
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=31672891&f=
   
  here is a link to a Sandow
  http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32006548&f=0
   
  I hope its of some help
  
chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Hey Arnie,

I will see about getting some recent pictures up. I have tried to get
some history on this particular engine, but have not been very
successful. I obtained it 4 years ago from a good friend that we have
shown engines with for the past 25 years. He had a stroke about 10
years ago and decided it was time to auction off most of his collection.
He can't talk or write anymore so I wasn't able to get much about where
we found it. We do see that he gets to 6-8 shows each year with us! 

When I obtained the engine, it was missing the fuel injector nozzle. I
had just about given up on finding an original part and was prepared to
have one manufactured when by luck and my Dad's persistence, one was
found at Portland. 

>From my research, I have found that Caille, Sundow, Detroit and Bessemer
all had the same basic engine, but that's about as far as I have been
able to discover. There was an article in the November 1999 "The Old
Machinery Magazine" by Fred Little about the restoration of a 1911 4hp
Caille. Mine looks pretty much like that one. But I believe it to be a
size smaller.

I will see about posting some pictures here in the next few days. If
you have any more history on these little engines, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright

Hi Chuck,

I'm really interested in the Caille. Any chance of pictures? There's
some
really interesting history out there in terms of the development of this
two-stroke engine. Caille, Middleditch, Detroit, and Bessemer are all
fully
involved. Do you have any history or background info on the engine?

See ya, Arnie





Roger DiRuscio, Real Estate Broker. GRI. Sales since 1977
The Realty Experts 510-226-2444  Fremont, California 94539
Antique Marine engine and motorscooter enthusiast 
510-226-9785 direct, Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
Private pilot since 1981. Industrial engine mechanic since 1967
Fremont  fire department CERT volunteer member
Web site:   scrapologist.com

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 23 12:50:50 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:50:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows/New Years crank up & Cabin Fever
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051223202215.00b047c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <01ad01c60802$906ce410$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Heat stroke??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

>
>         On the subject of "Cabin Fever" - what is it ? I first thought 
> that it was something caused by being cooped up indoors because of the 
> snow (snowbound) that caused normally sane and civil people to get 
> "cranky" and write nasty eMails to lists but now realise that I must be 
> wrong because I see from the List that some of the Aussies also seem to 
> have it and there is definitely no snow down there at the moment. (another 
> grin).




From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 13:26:11 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:26:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
Message-ID: <43AC6B73.5050108@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could have 
been selling them. Anything look familiar??

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Dec 23 13:42:37 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:42:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC6B73.5050108@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>

Jeff

Does this photo look like this one?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491

Tell me what you think...I am check on his other pics as I think I know
who was behind the camera.

Steve



--- Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could have
been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> 
> Jeff
> 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec 23 13:49:04 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:49:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows/New Years crank up & Cabin Fever
Message-ID: <68.63c3213e.30ddcad0@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/23/2005 2:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<<  I must be wrong because I 
 see from the List that some of the Aussies also seem to have it >>


No, Jerry, you are right about cabin fever.  The Aussies just like to stir 
the pot when it sets in for the winter in USA!  It has a boomerang effect, they 
sling it over here and of course the "feverists" have got to sling it back to 
keep things moving on an even keel!

Me- I do not get it too bad as I rabbit hunt 2/3 times a week during the 
winter and that keeps me from getting too high a fever!  Also recently picked up a 
new/used 4-wheeler so I have another play toy.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 14:47:10 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:47:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>

Maybe not; no bids so far!  :)  :)

Lew


<<snip>>
> Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_
W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could
have
been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> 
<<snip>> 

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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 15:25:10 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:25:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>

Hi Lew,

If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us sell 
on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web 
sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time 
will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few 
of the pics looked real familiar to me.

Jeff

P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Lew Best wrote:

>Maybe not; no bids so far!  :)  :)
>
>Lew
>
>
><<snip>>
>  
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 15:27:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:27:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20051223232709.14775.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Why not sell a "picture of the picture" for 50%  discount.  It was like the guy who had a problem with mice and  bought mouse traps.  However, being a cheapskate, instead of  actual cheese, he put a picture of cheese into the trap.  The next  day he checked and found that he had caught a picture of a mouse.
  
  Merry Christmas to those of you that can tolerate such a  sentiment.  To those of you who can't or won't...Merry Christmas  anyway!
  
  JM

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Maybe not; no bids so far!  :)  :)

Lew


<>
> Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_
W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could
have
been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> 
<> 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 15:40:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:40:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Lew,
>
> If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us sell
> on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web
> sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time
> will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few
> of the pics looked real familiar to me.
>
> Jeff

I have asked him if the picture is his own and if he could confirm
that by return.

If he says yes, how are you going to prove otherwise??

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 15:49:40 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:49:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051223234940.82597.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Jeff

Bring him down, will not take long as its all down
hill 8-))

> 
> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the
> Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to
> show him a world map.

Kerry 

Lithgow NSW Oz




	
		
__________________________________ 
Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. 
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 23 16:18:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:18:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <014c01c6081f$8335fe40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


>If he is stealing them off of web sites, that's a whole
nuther animal, 
>and he needs to be stopped. 


Hi Jeff,
Besides Steve's picture, it appears that he's selling the
exact images found on Keith Kinney's web page.  At the risk
of jumping to conclusions, I'm going to go out on a limb and
say that seller has a bit of explaining to do.  In other
words, c-r-o-o-k.  

Rob

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 





From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 23 16:19:01 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:19:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:35 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
>G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
>
>Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
>Russell

Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today!
         Dave
PS, Talk about being STUCK ON STUPID!      



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 16:27:49 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:27:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
	<6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AC9605.4040507@earthlink.net>

Great minds think alike Peter. I also inquired about one of the 
pictures. I think if we can identify who took the pictures, and the 
sites they were stolen from, if that is the case, E-bay would take a 
look at it. I welcome all list members to download the manuals and 
pictures I put online for their own use. When one thinks of selling for 
profit, I get a real bad attitude.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 12/23/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Lew,
>>
>>If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us sell
>>on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web
>>sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time
>>will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few
>>of the pics looked real familiar to me.
>>
>>Jeff
>>    
>>
>
>I have asked him if the picture is his own and if he could confirm
>that by return.
>
>If he says yes, how are you going to prove otherwise??
>
>Peter
>--
>
>  
>



From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 17:14:42 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:14:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC9605.4040507@earthlink.net>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>	<6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AC9605.4040507@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43ACA102.2010209@earthlink.net>

Humm, I wonder if he visited some shows, took pix then printed them out?

could be???

Clint



Jeff Allen wrote:

> Great minds think alike Peter. I also inquired about one of the 
> pictures. I think if we can identify who took the pictures, and the 
> sites they were stolen from, if that is the case, E-bay would take a 
> look at it. I welcome all list members to download the manuals and 
> pictures I put online for their own use. When one thinks of selling 
> for profit, I get a real bad attitude.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Listerdiesel wrote:
>
>> On 12/23/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Lew,
>>>
>>> If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us 
>>> sell
>>> on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web
>>> sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time
>>> will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few
>>> of the pics looked real familiar to me.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I have asked him if the picture is his own and if he could confirm
>> that by return.
>>
>> If he says yes, how are you going to prove otherwise??
>>
>> Peter
>> -- 
>>
>>  
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 23 17:57:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:57:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135389426.43acaaf21a4d4@webmail.city-net.com>

Steve (and others who have been ripped off),

I think you should contact the seller and express your anger directly and
clearly.  I would ask him to withdraw the material from eBay immediately.

If he doesn't, ABSOLUTELY report him to eBay!!

I also really like the idea of contacting the bidders and pointing out where
they can find the photo at no cost for their personal use.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>:

> Does this photo look like this one?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491
> 
> Tell me what you think...I am check on his other pics as I think I know
> who was behind the camera.



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 18:09:12 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:09:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!! Now invite!
In-Reply-To: <20051223234940.82597.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051223234940.82597.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43ACADC8.9010009@earthlink.net>

LOL Kerry,

The wife asked if we would be welcome if we showed up. I said yes. Now 
with a belly full of beer I will offer a purloined, paraphrased, amended 
greeting.

Lady of the evening, Lady of the evening, Lady of the evening, Happy non 
denominational winter greetings to all and to all a good night.

When pigs fly cause reindeer are already over OZ.

HO HO HO and a Merry Christmas to all.

Jeff




Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Kerry Morris wrote:

>G'Day Jeff
>
>Bring him down, will not take long as its all down
>hill 8-))
>
>  
>
>>P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the
>>Christmas presents and drive 
>>to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to
>>show him a world map.
>>    
>>
>
>Kerry 
>
>Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
>
>	
>		
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From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 23 18:25:07 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:25:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c60831$425abb60$3d5c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Perfect match. Looks like a crook to me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Jeff
>
> Does this photo look like this one?
>
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491
>
> Tell me what you think...I am check on his other pics as I think I
know
> who was behind the camera.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could
have
> been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Dec 23 18:29:02 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:29:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Interesting that after a temp of 36C yesterday it has only reached about 24C
today and we are expecting a fairly cool Christmas Day.  Have our son home
at the moment from Darwin.  He has just served 6 months in Iraq and they had
temperatures up to 63C in the summertime.

Anyway may I wish all list members a very merry Christmas and prosperous New
Year.  May all lost iron find new homes.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hotter than?


> At 07:35 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
> >G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
> >
> >Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
> >Russell
>
> Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to
> tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today!
>          Dave
> PS, Talk about being STUCK ON STUPID!
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 23 20:03:37 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:03:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <037d01c6083f$0609b860$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I dont think he would enjoy it! 105 and blowing hard. BAD firwe weather!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
> 
> Jeff Allen




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Dec 23 15:24:15 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:24:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than? OT
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003201c60817$fe305c10$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Russ they breed us tough ( me being a Mallee Boy ) good drinking 
weather. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hotter than?


> G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
>
> Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
> Russell
>
> At 11:54 AM 22/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>>Really it wasn't that hot yesterday.  Just 90? F.  (that is 90 degrees) I
>>am typing ? and it shows degrees on my screen, maybe it is getting
>>changed to 0 somewhere.
>>Have a Merry Christmas all.
>>
>>Ron Haskell
>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>Riverside, California
>>USA
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
>> > I feel your pain Dave.
>> > Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all
>> > will be
>> > well with the world.
>> > Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at
>> > 900 F.
>> > Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting
>> > ready
>> > for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor
>> > fired.
>> > Life is good.
>> > Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
>> > Merry Christmas.
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>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Dec 23 15:38:41 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:38:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Greetings
Message-ID: <004d01c6081a$025d7910$0301a8c0@Cam>

Best Wishes to all for Xmas and New Year, enjoy.
Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia
ponchie at ozemail.com.au


From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Dec 23 15:43:26 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:43:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005201c6081a$abbc3cd0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi Jeff bring him over, pretty warm at the moment though but still enough 
water to swim in. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 

Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!



> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>

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From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Dec 23 21:34:17 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:34:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL]  New Years Crank up
Message-ID: <BAY113-F37956289E2ACC0F79321D4E7320@phx.gbl>

Bill has determined he wants to be noisey this year so he shoveled out the 4 
hp United today so he can be ready for next Saturday night.

Happy Hoildays!!

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:31:57 -0700
>
>Hi Arnie,
>
>I'll be running the Maytag cause it's all I got. The compression release 
>really helps. I can now run it with a 1/4 horse electric motor.
>
>Jeff
>
>P.S. E-bay has returned to sanity. The insane pre Christmas bidding is 
>over.
>
>Jeff Allen
>Arvada, Colorado, USA
>
>Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>>So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>>Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>>Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Dec 24 04:25:08 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:25:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
References: <4jsmng$7g7j6o@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <006c01c60885$14191ae0$5f11fea9@merlin>

Merry Christmas  and a happy new year i hope we all find heaps of engines in 
the new year.
Brock Summerfield. 



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sat Dec 24 04:46:57 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:46:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW><43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
	<037d01c6083f$0609b860$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <001601c60888$20065c20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

A Reply But Not an "On Topic" subject

No hotter than the Mojave Desert and Edwards Air Force base and Death Valley
in California. In the summer time it was just about impossible to work on an
airplane outside the skin was so hot.At night time was when all the critters 
came out,
 the side winders, the rattle snakes and scorpions. In the winter time out 
on the flight line
at 3 A.M. in the morning temperature in the teens and wind blowing 40 mph
it was cold. When the wind was blowing you didn't park your car behind the 
blast
fence (where we run up the air planes). There was cracks between the planks
and you got a sand blast job. Also in a sand storm you don't drive 60 mph or
you would be replacing the windshield..

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(no blowing sand but plenty of blowing snow
and no poisonous creatues and sometimes you have
to cut through 3 feet of ice to fish))


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


>I dont think he would enjoy it! 105 and blowing hard. BAD firwe weather!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
>> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
>>
>> Jeff Allen
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 04:56:14 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:56:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
Message-ID: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/23/2005 7:40:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
 tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >>


Hi Dave,

Looks like you are getting your wish slowly but surely!  Going to be in the 
mid 50's here in central Virginia today. 

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Dec 24 05:28:06 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:28:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
Message-ID: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>

Dave,

We expect 65 degrees today here in the swamps of northeastern 
North Carolina.

Wishing all on the list a very Merry Christmas!

Ken and Connie Christison

> In a message dated 12/23/2005 7:40:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rotigel at alltel.net writes:
>
< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
  tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 05:54:56 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 05:54:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051224135456.59031.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

In Western New York we are in the mid-40 range  with a dismal gray cloud cover...maybe a bit of misty rain but the  white Christmas thing appears to be a washout.  Best to all and be  safe and happy.
  Jim Moran

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:  In a message dated 12/23/2005 7:40:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
 tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >>


Hi Dave,

Looks like you are getting your wish slowly but surely!  Going to be in the 
mid 50's here in central Virginia today. 

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 06:00:53 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:00:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>
	<014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <1135432853.43ad5495ce45d@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Ron,

You wouldn't be nippin' into the Christmas Cheer a bit early now would ya?  
8-))  63 deg.C (145 deg.F) in Iraq would beat the hell out of the all-time ever
recorded high temperature for planet Earth.  That record was 58 deg.C (136
deg.F) measured at Al' Aziziyah, Libya in September of 1922.
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020524.htm

And Dave?  Just in case you haven't checked the LOCAL forecast, it should get up
to 49 deg.F here in the 'burgh today.  Warm enough to play in the shed some
(assuming I don't get drafted into helping prepare Christmas Eve dinner that
is).  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I hope that all of the toys that Santa leaves in everyone's stockings are
nice and rusty and really heavy!!  8-))

PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100
deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 7,
1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au>:

> Interesting that after a temp of 36C yesterday it has only reached about 24C
> today and we are expecting a fairly cool Christmas Day.  Have our son home
> at the moment from Darwin.  He has just served 6 months in Iraq and they had
> temperatures up to 63C in the summertime.




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 06:10:42 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:10:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member pic
Message-ID: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>

To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again because I
want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they are
in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but from
what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to know if
it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 07:05:14 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:05:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
In-Reply-To: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>

Lyle,

Knock yourself out...  I'm sure that others have matched up the rest of his
items for sale with the web sites where he got them.

See ya,  Arnie

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-HP-MULE-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574745491
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

Quoting Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>:

> To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
> engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again because I
> want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they are
> in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but from
> what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
> person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to know if
> it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Dec 24 08:04:22 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:04:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Best wishes to all
Message-ID: <200512241818671.SM00288@new.databak.co.za>

Just a quick note to wish all the members  of the lists a Very Happy 
Christmas and Prosperous New Year. May you be blessed with good health and 
happiness for the coming year.

May your flywheels keep on flying
and your crankshafts keep on cranking
May your mags keep on magging
and your pistons keep on ................going up and down. :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 08:40:35 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:40:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Xmas Greetings
Message-ID: <6f6025160512240840m4e11b301qbf39ac37ad36af4b@mail.gmail.com>

We hope that as we approach the end of another year, that all our
friends in the old-iron hobby are well and looking forward to another
season of shows and rallies.

These past three years have been especially memorable for us for the
trips to Tulare and Portland, which we enjoyed immensely and will miss
a lot in years to come. The photographic record we have reminds of
those days and the folks we met and the laughs we had together.

We wish you all the very best of health, prosperity and continued friendship.

Peter & Rita
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sat Dec 24 08:41:59 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
Message-ID: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


A Reply But Not an "On Topic" subject

 No hotter than the Mojave Desert and Edwards Air Force base and Death 
Valley
 in California. In the summer time it was just about impossible to work on 
an
 airplane outside the skin was so hot.At night time was when all the 
critters
 came out,
 the side winders, the rattle snakes and scorpions. In the winter time out
 on the flight line
 at 3 A.M. in the morning temperature in the teens and wind blowing 40 mph
 it was cold. When the wind was blowing you didn't park your car behind the 
blast
 fence (where we run up the air planes). There was cracks between the planks
 and you got a sand blast job. Also in a sand storm you don't drive 60 mph 
or
 you would be replacing the windshield..

 Charlie Bryant
 Jay, Maine
 (no blowing sand but plenty of blowing snow
 and no poisonous creatues and sometimes you have
 to cut through 3 feet of ice to fish))


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
>>I dont think he would enjoy it! 105 and blowing hard. BAD firwe weather!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
>>> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
>>>
>>> Jeff Allen
>>
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sat Dec 24 09:02:59 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:02:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4jshog$7q3ral@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <001201c608ab$e4dce730$111f7546@mycomputer>

I dont know...Australia and west Texas are kinda similar....

Tom the Texan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Well who'd want to take over Texas anyway?
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 4:04 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
> All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a chance against 
> all
> of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it would be easy.
> nuff said.
>
> Tom
> Texas
> USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
>> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been
>> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we
>> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly
>> stupid amounts of money and won.
>>
>> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
>> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
>> it.
>>
>> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
>> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
>> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>>
>> Ill explain...
>>
>> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
>> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
>> Assocition are a member of.
>>
>> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to 
>> run
>
>> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
>> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>>
>> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect 
>> the
>
>> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
>> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
>> good wicket.
>>
>> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your 
>> club
>
>> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
>> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
>> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
>> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
>> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>>
>> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
>> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
>> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>>
>> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
>> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily 
>> basis,
>
>> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
>> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>>
>> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
>> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
>> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
>> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
>> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters 
>> to
>
>> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
>> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>>
>> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss 
>> on
>
>> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
>> remington left handed side be side.
>>
>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
>> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
>> this
>
>> to me?
>>
>> Best wishes for the festive season,
>>                                                 Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 23 17:25:54 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:25:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
Message-ID: <20051224.134037.1040.0.jlb94@juno.com>

It ain't sold yet 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Dec 24 11:06:22 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:06:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <20051224.142750.1040.2.jlb94@juno.com>

SYlvia and I would like to wish you and your families a very


MERRY  CHRISTMAS

From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sat Dec 24 11:37:00 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
References: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c608c1$68c77410$3775833e@amd>

Merry Christmas everybody.

harry


From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 24 13:07:51 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:07:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member pic
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <009501c608ce$1b090920$c11117d1@net.telenet.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member
pic


> To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic
of the
> engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again
because I
> want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they
are
> in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but
from
> what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
> person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to
know if
> it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at earthlink.net
>
>

Lyle,
 They are exactly the same picture, right down to the reflections in the
engine and on the walls around it, if you make it a transparent layer
and put it over the original it lines up perfect.  The ONLY way the ebay
crook got that picture was IF he had his camera in the EXACT same spot
at the exact same time as our member. And there is NO way that happened.
That engine is open on that side. The fence you see only runs in front
of the display. It is (and many others he is selling as well) a blatant
rip off.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491

Steve W.




From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 24 13:09:57 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:09:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c608ce$659cd520$c11117d1@net.telenet.net>

Yep, and sent a nice letter to Ebay about him being a crook. Haven't
heard anything yet.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] eBay Seller


> Lyle,
>
> Knock yourself out...  I'm sure that others have matched up the rest
of his
> items for sale with the web sites where he got them.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
>
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-HP-MULE-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574745491
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg
>
> Quoting Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>:
>
> > To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members
pic of the
> > engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again
because I
> > want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if
they are
> > in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter
but from
> > what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were
the
> > person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to
know if
> > it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Dec 24 13:29:10 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:29:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au><6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net><014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<1135432853.43ad5495ce45d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c608d1$16af92b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Sorry Arnie.  I lied.  Just checked with my son and it was actually 62 C.
However this should be qualified in that it was recorded in direct sunlight
as opposed to official readings which are usually taken in the shade.  While
he was there (As Samawah) he was regularly working on ASLAVS and other
vehicles in 50 to 59C.  Those that are over there now are in winter weather.

Cheers

Ron (Canberra, Aus 16.5 C at 8.45am Xmas Morning)

----- Original Message -----
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hotter than?


> G'day Ron,
>
> You wouldn't be nippin' into the Christmas Cheer a bit early now would ya?
> 8-))  63 deg.C (145 deg.F) in Iraq would beat the hell out of the all-time
ever
> recorded high temperature for planet Earth.  That record was 58 deg.C (136
> deg.F) measured at Al' Aziziyah, Libya in September of 1922.
> http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020524.htm
>
> And Dave?  Just in case you haven't checked the LOCAL forecast, it should
get up
> to 49 deg.F here in the 'burgh today.  Warm enough to play in the shed
some
> (assuming I don't get drafted into helping prepare Christmas Eve dinner
that
> is).  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I hope that all of the toys that Santa leaves in everyone's stockings
are
> nice and rusty and really heavy!!  8-))
>
> PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
> drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia,
100
> deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to
Apr. 7,
> 1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Quoting Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au>:
>
> > Interesting that after a temp of 36C yesterday it has only reached about
24C
> > today and we are expecting a fairly cool Christmas Day.  Have our son
home
> > at the moment from Darwin.  He has just served 6 months in Iraq and they
had
> > temperatures up to 63C in the summertime.
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 13:48:08 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:48:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member pic
In-Reply-To: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43ADC218.6090102@earthlink.net>

Lyle,
I downloaded both and have them here:
http://frapa.us/Junk1.html
Top pic is e-bay.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Lyle Myles wrote: >snip<

>To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
>engine that is being sold on eBay. 
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 24 14:17:15 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:17:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Software helpers for the shop.
Message-ID: <021d01c608d7$cc297e20$c11117d1@net.telenet.net>

Lots of interesting software on this site. Software to calculate and
help machine, Con-rods, flywheels, cams and lots more.

http://www.myvirtualnetwork.com/mklotz/


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 15:02:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
In-Reply-To: <1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

I realize this is a whacky question, especially on Christmas Eve.  However.....
  do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any data as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.  This is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing to know this.
  JM

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Lyle,

Knock yourself out...  I'm sure that others have matched up the rest of his
items for sale with the web sites where he got them.

See ya,  Arnie

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-HP-MULE-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574745491
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

Quoting Lyle Myles :

> To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
> engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again because I
> want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they are
> in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but from
> what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
> person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to know if
> it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



		
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec 24 14:53:04 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:53:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051225094734.00bc5568@mail.ncable.com.au>

As always; only someone as yourself Dave could send a reply of this nature. 
You must have read the first "Hotter than" post, it didn't contain engine 
talk yet you decided to keep reading. Best you fire up your delete button a 
little more so you don't get so pissed off with some of us Ozzies who just 
like a little chit chat.

You can be such a wanker sometimes but Merry Christmas to you none the less

Russell

At 07:19 PM 23/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:35 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
>>G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
>>
>>Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
>>Russell
>
>Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
>tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today!
>         Dave
>PS, Talk about being STUCK ON STUPID!
>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:15:50 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:15:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
In-Reply-To: <20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512241515w2eb60720g8b487a10bdc9a59c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/24/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on Christmas Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any data as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.  This is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing to know this.
>   JM

Depends on the type of engine, Jim, and the governing, fuel etc etc.

Diesels are usually at the top of the tree, with gas hit and miss at
the bottom, depending on the governor type.

The other consideration is where on the power curve you measure
efficiency. Some engines exhibit a curious power/consumption curve
that improves towards full power.

Peter (outside some very nice Advocaat....)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec 24 15:06:07 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:06:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <004a01c608c1$68c77410$3775833e@amd>
References: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051225100430.02607f08@mail.ncable.com.au>


>Merry Xmas to everyone. It's 10am already and I just opened my new air 
>spray gun kit! It's a bloody ripper. I will have to try and find time now 
>to got paint some old iron!

Merry xmas to all
Russell and Carnel

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http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 24 15:55:34 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:55:34 -0000
Subject: [SEL] christmas greetings
Message-ID: <003201c608e5$89b4d360$5e5c2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

To all,
        I would like to wish everyone a very happy christmas.
        I hope you all find that elusive engine or part under the tree. I also hope to see some of you next year.


            Bye for now,
                                Craig Morrison
                                Aberdeenshire
                                Scotland

From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 16:47:28 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:47:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
Message-ID: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

Well it is Christmas Eve and I have waited all year for this night. I did
not go deer hunting this year as it was cold and I was lazy. Since it is 39
degrees in my back yard I thought this would be the perfect night for
hunting. I have my rocking chair, coon light, and a 16 gauge shotgun sitting
on my garage roof. I?ve got a big pot of coffee on to fill up my two gallon
thermos because it is going to be a long, long night. If I hold my neck just
right and have some luck, I?ll have fresh reindeer meat to go with my eggs
and gravy in the morning. Just do not know how Santa will take this if I get
lucky. It I do, I?ll let the members know how it went.

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 24 17:31:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:31:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than? OT
In-Reply-To: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>
References: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051224202628.045e6e88@mail.alltel.net>


><< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to
>  tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >>
>
>Hi Dave,
>Looks like you are getting your wish slowly but surely!  Going to be in the
>mid 50's here in central Virginia today.
>Merry Christmas to you and your family.
>Tom Schmutz

Thanks for the update Tom (and everyone else who has posted re: the weather 
in their back yard.) Only 346 more reports and we will know how 
warm/cold/snowy/cloudy it is in all other List members back yards!
         Dave
PS, I hope that everyone on the List has a joyous Christmas and a GREAT New 
Year! 



From Ratzandcatz at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 17:46:55 2005
From: Ratzandcatz at aol.com (Ratzandcatz at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:46:55 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
Message-ID: <db.342d60eb.30df540f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/24/2005 5:04:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
lyle45859 at earthlink.net writes:

If I  hold my neck just
right and have some luck, I?ll have fresh reindeer meat  to go with my eggs
and gravy in the morning. 


You know what they say:
 
REINDEER:  the other white meat.........
 
Mell Wallace
Laurens, SC


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Dec 24 18:11:58 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:11:58 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <016801c608f8$a5764120$8335c53e@doc>

A Merry Christmas to one and all, and a happy and prosperous New Year.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 24 18:26:58 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:26:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>

Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>
>



From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 18:40:15 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:40:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <db.342d60eb.30df540f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c608fc$8faf02b0$2bbb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

Kinda stringy though unless 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Ratzandcatz at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:47 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO

 
In a message dated 12/24/2005 5:04:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
lyle45859 at earthlink.net writes:

If I  hold my neck just
right and have some luck, I'll have fresh reindeer meat  to go with my eggs
and gravy in the morning. 


You know what they say:
 
REINDEER:  the other white meat.........
 
Mell Wallace
Laurens, SC
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:02:43 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:02:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great opportunity to 
promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name of wheelterrapin.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From lsain33 at charter.net  Sat Dec 24 19:11:22 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:11:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
	<011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!

Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great opportunity to
> promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name of wheelterrapin.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005
>
>


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 24 19:17:10 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:17:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
	<011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <43AE0F36.9000406@scrtc.com>

Thanks Paul.  I know it has to be worth a lot of $$$.  Who wouldn't want 
that print hanging in their office or living room.  Since this thread 
dealt with stolen engine photos from the internet, I thought what the 
heck!  If it brings over $50, I'll pay for having it mounted, matted and 
framed for the purchaser.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






> Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great 
> opportunity to promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name 
> of wheelterrapin.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
>> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From lsain33 at charter.net  Sat Dec 24 19:09:09 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:09:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <05c901c60900$93602700$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

It appears there is already a bidding frenzy going on for this unique item
Tommy.  I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up in Indiana next August.

Larry in Catsquare, NC, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005
>
>


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 19:32:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:32:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1135481522.43ae12b29d117@webmail.city-net.com>

I'm in...  But hey Tommy, we gots to ask...  
Do you OWN the original photo?  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:44:45 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:44:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<43AE0F36.9000406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <013001c60905$8c5d0270$230110ac@PAUL>

Sounds good Tommy, I will hang in there for awhile.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Thanks Paul.  I know it has to be worth a lot of $$$.  Who wouldn't want 
> that print hanging in their office or living room.  Since this thread 
> dealt with stolen engine photos from the internet, I thought what the 
> heck!  If it brings over $50, I'll pay for having it mounted, matted and 
> framed for the purchaser.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:47:13 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<43AE0F36.9000406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <013701c60905$e4bf3320$230110ac@PAUL>

Darn, it took me awhile to get the lead back but I have it for the moment.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Thanks Paul.  I know it has to be worth a lot of $$$.  Who wouldn't want 
> that print hanging in their office or living room.  Since this thread 
> dealt with stolen engine photos from the internet, I thought what the 
> heck!  If it brings over $50, I'll pay for having it mounted, matted and 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:47:59 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:47:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <014c01c60906$0035d6e0$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey I am a digging, I am ahead again!!!!

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
>
> Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
>> Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great opportunity 
>> to
>> promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name of wheelterrapin.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>>
>>
>> > Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>> >
>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>> >
>> > Tommy Turner
>> > Magnolia, KY
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 
>> 12/23/2005
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:49:43 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:49:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Larry Ya gotta dig deeper than that!!!, Ha, Ha.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
> 
> Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 24 19:56:24 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <1135481522.43ae12b29d117@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
	<1135481522.43ae12b29d117@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AE1868.3080001@scrtc.com>

I can't believe someone would even ask such a question.    I think we 
should ask the owner of this web site where HE got it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>I'm in...  But hey Tommy, we gots to ask...  
>Do you OWN the original photo?  8-)))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Dec 24 21:05:42 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:05:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <43AE28A6.9060408@wightman.ca>

Here is my homemade card.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/Christmas.html

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From lsain33 at charter.net  Sat Dec 24 20:35:03 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:35:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL><05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get wind
of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Hey Larry Ya gotta dig deeper than that!!!, Ha, Ha.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
> >
> > Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005
>
>


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 23:49:32 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 01:49:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL><05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <001301c60927$beadbef0$230110ac@PAUL>

Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those boys 
being they are Oil Barons.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get 
> wind
> of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
>
> Larry
>




From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 01:21:28 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:21:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>

Merry Christmas to you, and all;also on the list.

This is a blessed day.

   Warning:Posting your Email out in the open like that will open you up 
to numerous "Web Address Bots" which will forward your email Address to 
a "Spam server".

   Believe me, I know!

           sincerely, mike


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 02:04:18 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:04:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20051225100430.02607f08@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051225100430.02607f08@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <43AE6EA2.7030901@comcast.net>

Make sure you have a spray mask,and not just a "Michael Jackson" dust 
filter....when you can smell fumes, get outta there and replace the 
element. Nothin' worse than catalyzed paint in the airways.Forever.

                   mike


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Sun Dec 25 03:38:55 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:38:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19
References: <200512241700.jBOH04Q5007930@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <008e01c60947$ca8a5830$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Bring him down, will not take long as its all down
hill 8-))

> 
> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the
> Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to
> show him a world map.

Kerry 

Lithgow NSW Oz


Waddya mean "Down"!

"Up" is more like it ...... 8^)

Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Sun Dec 25 03:48:32 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:48:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19
References: <200512241700.jBOH04Q5007930@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100
deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 
7,
1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))


Hey Arnie,

Are you SURE you're not an Aussie as you're speaking our language ...... 8^)

As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 05:35:11 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:35:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <20051225133511.15709.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

Fosters, perhaps?  It is 45 degrees here, but  the "wrong scale" as far as beer guzzlin'.  My "45" goes more  toware bourbon.
  JM

Jim <marshallman at iprimus.com.au> wrote:  PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100
deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 
7,
1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))


Hey Arnie,

Are you SURE you're not an Aussie as you're speaking our language ...... 8^)

As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!

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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Dec 25 06:46:56 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com> <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001301c60927$beadbef0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <002901c60962$0e0fcf80$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>

There ain't no money in oil unless your last name is "Exxon" or "Shell"!!!!
Everybody knows them nu-clear engine ears make all the money, you got to
watch them commie sympathizers.

MR oyster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those
boys
> being they are Oil Barons.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> > just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get
> > wind
> > of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 25 07:06:23 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:06:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>

Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil 
baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver. But one of us know how to 
use those snipe sites!!!!!!!!! Yeee Hawww, Merry Christmas to you all out 
there.  Steve Royster (53 degrees , Dave)  in sunny Weaverville NC  USA


>From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:35:03 -0500
>
>You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
>just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get 
>wind
>of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
>
>Larry
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Hey Larry Ya gotta dig deeper than that!!!, Ha, Ha.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
> >
> >
> > > Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
> > >
> > > Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 25 07:20:20 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:20:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com> <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051225100624.0465edb8@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:35 PM 12/24/2005, you wrote:
>You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
>just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get wind
>of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
>Larry

No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against CUTE LITTLE GIRLS!
         Dave



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 07:36:50 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:36:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <002901c60962$0e0fcf80$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051225153650.42562.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

OK...I asked yesterday about the "efficiency" of  the antique engines that you folks restore and so covet.  Someone  wrote back, indicating that the curve would vary and (clearly) the type  of fuel plays a factor.  Allow me to ask this...
 Suppose one  of you experts were to take the basic "aged" design of some specific  old engine (which brand/model does not matter so much in my mind) and  "re-thought/re-engineered" that item utilizing current (modern)  materials, newer carburetors, and more recently discovered  approaches.  What, if any, difference would such "advances" or  "improvements" make? 
  Just wondering.  Perhaps this has already been done or thought about.
  JM

Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:  There ain't no money in oil unless your last name is "Exxon" or "Shell"!!!!
Everybody knows them nu-clear engine ears make all the money, you got to
watch them commie sympathizers.

MR oyster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" 

To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those
boys
> being they are Oil Barons.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Sain" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> > just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get
> > wind
> > of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec 25 07:53:52 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:53:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
Christmas 
> Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
data 
> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
This 
> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
to know this.

Merry Christmas, Jim.  This won't specifically answer your
question, 
but it will give you plenty of things to think about.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/HeatBalance.jpg

Rob




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 08:10:30 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:10:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] Jaeger mixer
Message-ID: <b9.6788d121.30e01e76@aol.com>

Check out this cast iron toy Jaeger mixer up for auction in western USA.

http://www.rossauction.com/topics/newyears/albums/casttoys/full/7952.jpg

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Dec 25 08:20:26 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:20:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <20051225153650.42562.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006201c6096f$1dd6e400$b0496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

You might find http://www.arrowengine.com/cseries.htm interesting.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


OK...I asked yesterday about the "efficiency" of  the antique engines that 
you folks restore and so covet.  Someone  wrote back, indicating that the 
curve would vary and (clearly) the type  of fuel plays a factor.  Allow me 
to ask this...
 Suppose one  of you experts were to take the basic "aged" design of some 
specific  old engine (which brand/model does not matter so much in my mind) 
and  "re-thought/re-engineered" that item utilizing current (modern) 
materials, newer carburetors, and more recently discovered  approaches. 
What, if any, difference would such "advances" or  "improvements" make?
  Just wondering.  Perhaps this has already been done or thought about.
  JM




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 08:20:59 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:20:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051225162059.21221.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

RS-
  No, it didn't give me "something to think about".  Rather it gave  me a headache :-).  Merry Christmas from Rochester, New York  (about 50 degrees and cloudy).
  JM

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:   
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
Christmas 
> Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
data 
> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
This 
> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
to know this.

Merry Christmas, Jim.  This won't specifically answer your
question, 
but it will give you plenty of things to think about.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/HeatBalance.jpg

Rob


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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 09:16:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:16:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051225171653.77053.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

OK....here is the deal....
 Some time ago I  came into the orbit of a engineering professor who was a volunteer  "mentor" to a group of rural teenagers.  They are "economically  challenged" which is nothing other than a polite way of saying they  have no money.
 His "mission" is to teach them about alternative  fuel sources, fuel economy, performance issues, etc.  He needed a  "machine" on which they could experiment and guidance in terms of  engine alterations so that agricultural or "crop based" fuels could be  utilized.  His desire was to have an old John Deere 110 as the  "guinea pig" and had but a $400.00 budget.  I helped him find a  source that, once the challenge was explained, donated a 110 which was  in some state of disrepair.  He and his disciples, therefore, had  the fun and the learning experience of, first, restoring the machine  (BTW, the goal was to have it in an "attractive" or "display" state  cosmetically and to "show off their efforts" by using it to tow a float  or something along those lines at the school football games) and, then  retro-fitting the engine to run as efficiently as possible on gasohol.
  So....
  I have the IHC "M" and I was wondering about its potential applications  to their pursuit.  Assuming that the engine can be made  operational AND assuming that the professor expresses an interest, we  still beg several question:
  1.  Can this engine be "fuel converted" so to speak?
  2.  Is there any element of danger or risk involved?
  3.  Would your group be willing to provide guidance to them in  terms of restoration process, parts access advice, and suggestions on  fuel conversion if that is even possible?
  
 This is just a  thought on my part.  Frankly, I kind of found it "heartwarming"  that this teacher (purely voluntary/no compensation) would undertake  this project and that young people got excited about the "science" and  so took to "restoring" an old, otherwise useless, tractor.
  Please shoot back any views or ideas if any of you also find this to be worthwhile and/or intriguing.
  Obviously, I don't want to approach him with this if you (collectively) suggest that this simply can't work.
  Best.
  Jim Moran

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:   
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
Christmas 
> Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
data 
> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
This 
> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
to know this.

Merry Christmas, Jim.  This won't specifically answer your
question, 
but it will give you plenty of things to think about.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/HeatBalance.jpg

Rob


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From lsain33 at charter.net  Sun Dec 25 10:50:42 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:50:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
Message-ID: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against CUTE
LITTLE GIRLS!
         Dave

You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.

Meanwhile, I changed the subject line since it had morphed into a topic
pretty far from the original.

I'm still worried about them oil barons though 8-)

Larry


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Dec 25 17:30:44 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:30:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <002901c60962$0e0fcf80$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com> <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001301c60927$beadbef0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051225172935.01bf8a30@mail.pennswoods.net>

You missed one  [[[[[BUSH]]]]
R Fink

At 09:46 AM 12/25/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>There ain't no money in oil unless your last name is "Exxon" or "Shell"!!!!
>Everybody knows them nu-clear engine ears make all the money, you got to
>watch them commie sympathizers.
>
>MR oyster
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those
>boys
> > being they are Oil Barons.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
> >
> >
> > > You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> > > just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get
> > > wind
> > > of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 25 16:30:00 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:30:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

Gee, you wouldn't post to "Broken Hearted Road" and the "Nuts and Volts Forum"
in addition to the SEL would you?  8-))

If you don't like to receive spam, run a good spam blocker and a good firewall.
Or, better yet, don't have an email address.  Otherwise, its gonna get you.

HOW you post is really not important any more.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>:

>    Warning:Posting your Email out in the open like that will open you up 
> to numerous "Web Address Bots" which will forward your email Address to 
> a "Spam server".
>    Believe me, I know!




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 25 16:36:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:36:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Speaking Aussie
In-Reply-To: <009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <200512241700.jBOH04Q5007930@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <1135557373.43af3afd4afa0@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Jim,

> Are you SURE you're not an Aussie as you're speaking our language ...... 8^)

When dealing with the natives, it always helps to tey and speak a little of the
local lingo.  

> As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Cold?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie



From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 25 17:42:19 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:42:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] About e-mail address Important to all members
Message-ID: <000601c609bd$a0f1d4f0$5dbb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

To the members of this fantastic group of people who shares their souls and
beliefs. 

There has been an issue on posting your e-mail address and the worry that
spammers will pick up on it. Too some I'm considered a computer geek and to 
the members who are concerned, I may have the answer. If you notice in my
e-mail address I have a name with a number. For some reason when you place a

number and name together it is harder for the spammer's computer to pick up
your e-mail. If I had more time I could explain why this works in blocking 
ninety percent of all spammers, junk mail and pop ups. I know it is a
headache when you change your e-mail address but once it is done and people
you trust know it, it will be better for you. Also I use the Yahoo tool bar
with this e-mail and it has caught all junk and spammer's and has made my
life easier. If any member would like more information on this subject
please write me off line. I have a high block on my e-mail and sometimes I'm
not told I have spam and it is deleted. If you contact me and I have not
answered within twenty-four hours please try again. 

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Dec 25 18:08:59 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:08:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051225210017.0483cfa0@web1.nlenet.net>

Hi  I have been playing around with using a digital camera to take Stereo 
pictures.  The type you see in museums
http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html

It turns out that if you make a slide to put on your tripod that will allow 
your camera to move sideways about 2.5 in you can take two pictures and 
then combine them using free software and have a stereo picture of your old 
engine.

Is any one else playing with this.  If so how about posting some pictures 
for those of us with viewers.  Turns out you don't need to print them. the 
viewer works fine with the screen image.

Frank DeWitt

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 18:20:07 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43AF5357.1060000@comcast.net>

Hi:
   There's an efficiency graph on a 6 HP Diesel (Listeroid)at the 
website  http://www.utterpower.com . You'll have to dig through the 
pages,there's also information on running BioDiesel on the site.


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sun Dec 25 19:18:56 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:18:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies 
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051225210017.0483cfa0@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <001601c609cb$1af458b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

Where does one find the free software?
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies


> Hi  I have been playing around with using a digital camera to take Stereo
> pictures.  The type you see in museums
> http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html
>
> It turns out that if you make a slide to put on your tripod that will 
> allow
> your camera to move sideways about 2.5 in you can take two pictures and
> then combine them using free software and have a stereo picture of your 
> old
> engine.
>
> Is any one else playing with this.  If so how about posting some pictures
> for those of us with viewers.  Turns out you don't need to print them. the
> viewer works fine with the screen image.
>
> Frank DeWitt
>
>  Frank DeWitt
>
>  Light plant WEB page
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com


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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Dec 25 19:21:05 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:21:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
References: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>

Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer


> Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against
CUTE
> LITTLE GIRLS!
>          Dave
>
> You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.
>
> Meanwhile, I changed the subject line since it had morphed into a topic
> pretty far from the original.
>
> I'm still worried about them oil barons though 8-)
>
> Larry
> _______________________________________________
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Dec 25 19:43:14 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:43:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051225223413.0452bd60@web1.nlenet.net>


I have been using  http://www.callipygian.com/  It is simple
others have more features and are harder to use.  If you have a good slide 
(or two cameras) simple is all you need.  If you are hand holding the 
camera, some of the others have corrections for angle, rotation, ETC.  Here 
is a site full of software.
http://www.stereoscopy.com/downloads/

There a number of software programs that deal with the Red Blue method 
(anaglyph-type) as well.

Frank

---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Where does one find the free software?
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank DeWitt" 
<<http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel>Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <<http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel>sel at 
lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies


 > Hi  I have been playing around with using a digital camera to take Stereo
 > pictures.  The type you see in museums
 > 
<http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html>http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html
 >
 > It turns out that if you make a slide to put on your tripod that will
 > allow
 > your camera to move sideways about 2.5 in you can take two pictures and
 > then combine them using free software and have a stereo picture of your
 > old
 > engine.
 >
 > Is any one else playing with this.  If so how about posting some pictures
 > for those of us with viewers.  Turns out you don't need to print them. the
 > viewer works fine with the screen image.
 >
 > Frank DeWitt


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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 20:10:56 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:10:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
	<1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>

Arnie:
   You got me, fair and square!

         Bit of a geek,eh?

               I might indeed post to "Broken Hearted Road" (Sonny 
Landreth fan site), "Nuts and Volts forum",and SEL;if I thought it was 
relevant.

        I've done dumber things....

          So you have the "uncover the Bcc" tool?

                 Hahaha,Merry Christmas to you and yours!
                           mike


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 25 21:04:03 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:04:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine
Message-ID: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>

I know, I know, another O.T. subject but it is for a good cause. I need help 
locating the magazine that these plans came from:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/528751660LYHXLk

All I know is that they came out of a 1949 magazine but have no idea which 
one. I am trying to build this for some boys who do not have anything and I 
want to give them something. The plans were on E-bay and I was bidding on 
them but was not on the computer when the auction closed and lost them.

I have offered to pay the buyer for a copy of them but they will not even 
return my e-mails.

I know this is a long shot by asking the group and I know that I will 
receive the usual flaming but as old as I am it does not make a whole lot of 
difference anymore especially if I can help someone else.

I apologize to those who will get upset over this post.

Paul




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 26 03:25:40 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:25:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
Message-ID: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

How does one determine quantity of shims to use when replacing the bearing 
caps over the crank shaft on a Sandwich 1 1/2hp. The shim stock on my engine 
fell apart when soaking in solvent tank and I am trying to adjust the 
tightness of the bearing caps.  Also any sugestions on how to make up new ones.
Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were 
easily saved.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Dec 26 03:46:47 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:46:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] wheels
Message-ID: <001101c60a12$121fc980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Well folks, despite all the efforts so far, I STILL am no nearer seeing my
flywheels in the post and on their way to me.
The Christmas gift did not eventuate!!! 10 months nowsince my check was 
cashed.
I have had it!!
ANYTHING you think that may help, PLEASE go ahead and do it!! Blast his
church, Blast him!
Bombard his phone, etc.etc.
At this point in time I have nothing to lose! I have nothing but complete
distain and hatred for this slimeball who took my money, would not answer
any mail from me, and STILL will not send me what I paid for.
So, lets see if the combined force of the list makes his life bad enough,
via ANY methods, to force him into sending me what is mine.
Thanks for your tolerance and support on this so far.
A happy new year to us all.
Reg.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Dec 26 03:46:31 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:46:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine
In-Reply-To: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <43AFD817.5070305@comcast.net>

Rules are made to sometimes be broken. I'm not old enough to remember 
this magazine, but my best guess would be Popular Mechanics.

                          mike


From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 04:16:58 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:16:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] wheels
In-Reply-To: <001101c60a12$121fc980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000001c60a16$453e31e0$dcb85904@lyle0592c054dd>

I'm willing to help but who is this person and how do I contact him?
Lyle Myles/ McGuffey, OH NW Corner of Ohio/ USA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 AM
To: List SEL; oldengine list; marv Hedburg; Best, George;
Streetsofbend at bendbroadband.com
Subject: [SEL] wheels

Well folks, despite all the efforts so far, I STILL am no nearer seeing my
flywheels in the post and on their way to me.
The Christmas gift did not eventuate!!! 10 months nowsince my check was 
cashed.
I have had it!!
ANYTHING you think that may help, PLEASE go ahead and do it!! Blast his
church, Blast him!
Bombard his phone, etc.etc.
At this point in time I have nothing to lose! I have nothing but complete
distain and hatred for this slimeball who took my money, would not answer
any mail from me, and STILL will not send me what I paid for.
So, lets see if the combined force of the list makes his life bad enough,
via ANY methods, to force him into sending me what is mine.
Thanks for your tolerance and support on this so far.
A happy new year to us all.
Reg.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 06:42:05 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:42:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
In-Reply-To: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D
	0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Cure,
         Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of 
material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard. Many on the list 
now prefer the "official" SEL shim stock--empty beer cans. This is not 
really because the Al in beer cans is any better than any other material, 
but rather because it's so much fun producing the shim stock.
         In any event, start with an approximate amount of shim material 
and tighten one of the caps down to the proper tightness. Try to turn the 
flywheels. If they will not turn add another shin and try again. Repeat 
this process until the flywheels turn easily. Then go to the other side and 
do the same thing. If, on the other hand, the flywheels turn freely when 
you start, remove one shim at a time (tightening the cap each time) until 
the flywheels bind up--then add back the last shim that you removed.
         I'm not sure what you mean by "make up new ones." I use a pair of 
scissors. Good tin snips work well also. A hole punch of the proper size 
for the studs helps a good bit. If I decided to use wooden shims I guess 
that I would use a saw and drill press. Keep in mind that all of your shims 
do not need to be the same thickness nor made out of the same material.
         Dave
PS, Anyone who suggests that you go to the auto store and purchase some 
sort of material with which to measure (ie Plastagage [sp?]) does not 
understand what it meant to own one of these engines in the teens or 20's!

At 06:25 AM 12/26/2005, you wrote:
>How does one determine quantity of shims to use when replacing the bearing
>caps over the crank shaft on a Sandwich 1 1/2hp. The shim stock on my engine
>fell apart when soaking in solvent tank and I am trying to adjust the
>tightness of the bearing caps.  Also any sugestions on how to make up new 
>ones.
>Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were
>easily saved.
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree



From oldengin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 26 07:30:52 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B00CAC.9060503@verizon.net>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Keep in mind that all of your shims do not need to be the same 
> thickness nor made out of the same material.
>         Dave
> PS, Anyone who suggests that you go to the auto store and purchase 
> some sort of material with which to measure (ie Plastagage [sp?]) does 
> not understand what it meant to own one of these engines in the teens 
> or 20's!
>
>
Dave, I am missing your point here?????????  Are you telling us to use 
what we have? My NASCAR engin  rebuild  book talks differently than what 
you state.  LOL

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 07:38:53 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:38:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
In-Reply-To: <001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
References: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Glenn,
         This is, indeed, good news! I have not gotten a proper nights 
sleep since Portland. Nightmares of that incident and the tears running 
down her sad little face have haunted my sleep for almost 5 months now. At 
last I will be able to sleep the whole night through again! Thanks!
         Dave

At 10:21 PM 12/25/2005, you wrote:
>Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:50 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
>
>
> > Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against
>CUTE
> > LITTLE GIRLS!
> >          Dave
> >
> > You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.
> >
> > Larry



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Dec 26 07:41:42 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:41:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A Master clock with a Magneto 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051226102458.041e1420@web1.nlenet.net>

There are many master clock systems.  Most old ones use a Pendulum master 
clock to close a contact once each minute to send a pulse to slaves.  Some 
had elaborate correction seams (IBM was one) , at least one used pulses of 
compressed air, but I was not familiar with this concept.

The master clock movement has what on this list can only be described as a 
impulse magneto (note the familiar two springs) to generate the electrical 
pulse once per minute and send it to the slave.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6591398098&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
Also see
http://static.flickr.com/24/42768762_b8473a59a0_o.jpg

Frank




  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 26 10:04:59 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:04:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>
References: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <cd73d622b0e676afeed879a514a6cd67@chartertn.net>

That's what I admire about you, Dave. You're such a sensitive guy!

John

On Dec 26, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>         This is, indeed, good news! I have not gotten a proper nights 
> sleep since Portland. Nightmares of that incident and the tears 
> running down her sad little face have haunted my sleep for almost 5 
> months now. At last I will be able to sleep the whole night through 
> again! Thanks!
>         Dave


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Dec 26 11:14:54 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:14:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002401c60a50$a7dbd020$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed


> Hi Cure,
>          Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of
> material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard. Many on the
list
> now prefer the "official" SEL shim stock--empty beer cans. This is not
> really because the Al in beer cans is any better than any other material,
> but rather because it's so much fun producing the shim stock
.
. Keep in mind that all of your shims  do not need to be the same
thickness nor made out of the same material.
          Dave

Dave,  Aren't all beer cans practically the same thickness?What about
 the ones before the days they started making them out of AL?
 Isn't Mr. Andree's first name spelled Curt? Have you been making
shim stock lately?

Just kidding Dave. That was an excellant post.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where theres no rich oil guys)








  Also any sugestions on how to make up new
> >ones.
> >Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were
> >easily saved.
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
>
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Dec 26 11:13:16 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:13:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Common guys , buy Dave from me he's worth it
Message-ID: <000401c60a51$89a41b20$cad0fea9@ibm>

 Comon guys , You better outbid me on Daves Picture , I can't beleive you would let a picture of such value go for just $40.99 , we all know Dave and we all know there is only one  Dave and we all love to get hammered  with his rude and unjust remarkes , but than again we have to realize (I can't spell} that Dave has put his all into keeping this hobby  fun and fruitfull and I must say I would not be  be on this  list if it were not for Dave's humor , Thanks Dave !
   

Rex Hinz
(skyl00p)




1                

From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Dec 26 11:50:11 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:50:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
Message-ID: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>

Ok List need your Help

  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap


Rex Hinz
Baraboo WI
Live with my Wife
I have Dogs
I sometimes don't (snipp)
I don't like cats
I love You Aussis
I like old engines
Beer is Good





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 26 12:06:29 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:06:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
In-Reply-To: <001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F204177F341FAD0A392986CC8340@phx.gbl>

She loves it too Glenn! You did a fantastic job. Can someone send me an 
address to send a donation for the charity auction? It's only fair that her 
puzzle should have money donated to the auction.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===================

>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>
>Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 12:30:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:30:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Common guys , buy Dave from me he's worth it
In-Reply-To: <000401c60a51$89a41b20$cad0fea9@ibm>
References: <000401c60a51$89a41b20$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512261230m125d959cnfe81bd25bd9b4b3b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/05, Rex Hinz <rex002 at centurytel.net> wrote:
>  Comon guys , You better outbid me on Daves Picture , I can't beleive you would let a picture of such value go for just $40.99 , we all know Dave and we all know there is only one  Dave and we all love to get hammered  with his rude and unjust remarkes , but than again we have to realize (I can't spell} that Dave has put his all into keeping this hobby  fun and fruitfull and I must say I would not be  be on this  list if it were not for Dave's humor , Thanks Dave !
>
>
> Rex Hinz
> (skyl00p)

Looks like the listing has been removed:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:

Item Number - 7377132820
Item Title - Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag killer.

has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies.
Any offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null
and void. Because the auction was ended early, you as a bidder are not
required to complete the transaction. Since this is a listing
violation, the seller is free to relist the item in the proper format.
Should you wish to do so, you are free to bid on the item again if it
is relisted.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 12:30:57 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:30:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
	<1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1135629057.43b053019938e@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

Nothing fancy at all.  I just put your email address "guitronics at comcast.net"
into Google.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>:

>    You got me, fair and square!
>          Bit of a geek,eh?
>                I might indeed post to "Broken Hearted Road" (Sonny 
> Landreth fan site), "Nuts and Volts forum",and SEL;if I thought it was 
> relevant.
>           So you have the "uncover the Bcc" tool?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 12:46:56 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F204177F341FAD0A392986CC8340@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F204177F341FAD0A392986CC8340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1135630016.43b056c0923d4@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

Based on how Brookie worked over those Cloistered Oyster Brothers, I think a
donation of about $500 would be appropriate.  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - WHATEVER is Glenn gonna do at Portland 2006 without Brookie bidding???

Quoting Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>:

> She loves it too Glenn! You did a fantastic job. Can someone send me an 
> address to send a donation for the charity auction? It's only fair that her 
> puzzle should have money donated to the auction.
> 
> ===================
> 
> >From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
> >Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 12:51:12 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:51:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
Message-ID: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

----- Forwarded message from ended at ebay.com -----
    Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:27:50 PST
    From: ended at ebay.com
Reply-To: ended at ebay.com
 Subject: eBay Listing Removed (=LB &7212 JM5719075)
      To: fero_ah at city-net.com

Dear Arnold H. Fero (fero_ah at city-net.com),

Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:

Item Number - 7377132820
Item Title - Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag killer.

has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
Because the auction was ended early, you as a bidder are not required to
complete the transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free
to relist the item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free
to bid on the item again if it is relisted.

Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
locations:

  http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
  http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html

We thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Regards,

eBay Trust & Safety

----- End forwarded message -----





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec 26 13:15:17 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:15:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
Message-ID: <2a2.2da2215.30e1b765@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:04:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of 
 material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard.  >>

Even leather has been used.  Poster board is good and dense, can also split 
it to make thinner ones as needed.  I use it a lot.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 13:25:13 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:25:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512261325m7a32a6d6w2ec769a52afddd42@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/05, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> OK Folks,
>
> Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
> hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???
>
> Arnie Fero

Dunno, I was high bidder for all of 30 minutes then I got the same
notice that you did. I emailed Tommy so that he was aware of the
auction being pulled.

Probably something in the wording that an automated checker has picked up.

Can't believe it's Dave's  red braces.... :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 26 13:42:43 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:42:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine
References: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<43AFD817.5070305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002801c60a65$4e7ac080$230110ac@PAUL>

Hello Mike,

I found a guy who had the complete set of the 1949 Popular Mechanics 
magazines and he checked them and it was not in them so I can eliminate 
Popular Mechanics. Thanks for the response.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine


> Rules are made to sometimes be broken. I'm not old enough to remember this 
> magazine, but my best guess would be Popular Mechanics.
>




From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec 26 13:43:27 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:43:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <4jms14$gfc6lv@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

If the rod is pure nickel its perfect Rex. If its got copper as well its
still good. If it's a stainless steel type rod its marginal. Vee out the
crack and heat it up a little and it's a easy job.If the crack is on the
bearing surface area you will get some distortion and may have to machine it
back round or do some careful hand work on it.
Ray Freeman
Perth W Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2005 3:50 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap

Ok List need your Help

  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what I
thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2"
racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and come
to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to form in
the corner of my eyes as I walked
back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from
the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine over
at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the
Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast
iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap


Rex Hinz
Baraboo WI
Live with my Wife
I have Dogs
I sometimes don't (snipp)
I don't like cats
I love You Aussis
I like old engines
Beer is Good



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From lsain33 at charter.net  Mon Dec 26 14:16:59 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:16:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
Message-ID: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Hey Arnie,

I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
can't come out and say so.

Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA

PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 26 14:45:00 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:45:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <e9507509d48c554cdeba89236f0c4d56@chartertn.net>

eBay's into that ridiculous anti-violence, no weapons stuff. That's why 
they killed it, I bet.

John

On Dec 26, 2005, at 3:51 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> OK Folks,
>
> Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a 
> collective
> hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 14:54:25 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:54:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B074A1.4020305@earthlink.net>

 >ship<

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>OK Folks,
>
>Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
>hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>----- Forwarded message from ended at ebay.com -----
>    Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:27:50 PST
>    From: ended at ebay.com
>Reply-To: ended at ebay.com
> Subject: eBay Listing Removed (=LB &7212 JM5719075)
>      To: fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>Dear Arnold H. Fero (fero_ah at city-net.com),
>
>Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:
>
>Item Number - 7377132820
>Item Title - Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag killer.
>
>has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
>offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
>Because the auction was ended early, you as a bidder are not required to
>complete the transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free
>to relist the item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free
>to bid on the item again if it is relisted.
>
>Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
>locations:
>
>  http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
>  http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
>
>We thank you in advance for your cooperation.
>
>Regards,
>
>eBay Trust & Safety
>
>----- End forwarded message -----
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 14:57:21 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226175135.041c20f0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rex,
         If memory serves me correctly someone on the List casts parts. I 
think the guy is located somewhere in North West Ohio--but I'm not sure. 
The List members for whom this guy has cast parts say that his work is good 
and his prices are reasonable. Perhaps someone on the List can help us 
recalling the guys name! I think that casting a replacement would be better 
that attempting to weld it.
         Dave


>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what 
> I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" 
> racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and 
> come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to 
> form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
>back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from 
>the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine 
>over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the 
>Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast 
>iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap
>Rex Hinz



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec 26 16:10:42 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:10:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
Message-ID: <43B08682.6060802@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 15:07:58 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:07:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B077CE.601@earthlink.net>

OOPs!! Don't do e-mail till your fingers thaw out.

I don't think you can contact a human at e-bay. I've heard rumors that 
it is coming, but not in place. I've had no response to my complaints 
about the stolen pictures, so e-mail is also a waste of time. I wonder 
what rule the judge broke. Looked fine to me.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>OK Folks,
>
>Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
>hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???
>
>
>  
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 26 15:58:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
In-Reply-To: <43B08682.6060802@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <20051226235809.64390.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Ariel's huh...this individual did not have, by any chance, and Vincents?  You know Black Lightning or Shadows?
  JM

Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca> wrote:  Hi Folks,

Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 26 16:08:10 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:08:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
Message-ID: <122720050008.10080.43B085EA0008C1150000276021979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Dave,
Ok idea with the empty beer can material and didn't think of that. Guess I was 
trying to make it more complicated then needed be.  However, I switched from 
Old Mill to Miller Lite and don't believe the quality of metal is there.  Too 
bad you didn't live closer........  And sure do agree with the no plastic 
strip guage testing, they didn't have it back in 1910 when the engine was 
built.
Thankyou for the good info.

Where's the pics of your new Witte log saw that santa brought you???????????
Curt


> Hi Cure,
>          Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of 
> material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard. Many on the list 
> now prefer the "official" SEL shim stock--empty beer cans. This is not 
> really because the Al in beer cans is any better than any other material, 
> but rather because it's so much fun producing the shim stock.
>          In any event, start with an approximate amount of shim material 
> and tighten one of the caps down to the proper tightness. Try to turn the 
> flywheels. If they will not turn add another shin and try again. Repeat 
> this process until the flywheels turn easily. Then go to the other side and 
> do the same thing. If, on the other hand, the flywheels turn freely when 
> you start, remove one shim at a time (tightening the cap each time) until 
> the flywheels bind up--then add back the last shim that you removed.
>          I'm not sure what you mean by "make up new ones." I use a pair of 
> scissors. Good tin snips work well also. A hole punch of the proper size 
> for the studs helps a good bit. If I decided to use wooden shims I guess 
> that I would use a saw and drill press. Keep in mind that all of your shims 
> do not need to be the same thickness nor made out of the same material.
>          Dave
> PS, Anyone who suggests that you go to the auto store and purchase some 
> sort of material with which to measure (ie Plastagage [sp?]) does not 
> understand what it meant to own one of these engines in the teens or 20's!
> 
> At 06:25 AM 12/26/2005, you wrote:
> >How does one determine quantity of shims to use when replacing the bearing
> >caps over the crank shaft on a Sandwich 1 1/2hp. The shim stock on my engine
> >fell apart when soaking in solvent tank and I am trying to adjust the
> >tightness of the bearing caps.  Also any sugestions on how to make up new 
> >ones.
> >Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were
> >easily saved.
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 16:22:36 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:22:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
In-Reply-To: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <1135642956.43b0894c6b04a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Larry,

Why should it matter to eBay WHAT the seller plans to do with the money?
Afterall, PETA was selling the "services" of their head beagle for a day and
everyone knows they put the proceeds toward ecoterrorism.  8-))

I'm shortly going to put a few items up for sale on eBay.  I plan to devote the
majority of the proceeds to good beer and bad women.  The rest I plan to waste.
 8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Larry Sain <lsain33 at charter.net>:

> I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
> Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
> one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
> members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
> their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
> can't come out and say so.



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 26 16:27:29 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:27:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
References: <200512261700.jBQH04um016838@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c60a7c$51fa2bd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

>> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
> Christmas 
>> Eve.  However.....
>>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
> data 
>> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
> This 
>> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
> to know this.

http://www.metroexporters.com/pages/index.html


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Dec 26 16:26:12 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
In-Reply-To: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <43B08A24.7090405@scrtc.com>

I've been off the computer all day and just got the info on the auction 
being pulled.  But, you're right Larry, they sent me an email stating 
that it was pulled because ATIS was not one of their "approved" 
charities (we'd probably be surprised to know what some of the approved 
ones are).   I probably won't have time to relist it tonight but will 
soon and won't mention ATIS.  I'll simply say that the proceeds will be 
used for  a good cause.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Larry Sain wrote:

>Hey Arnie,
>
>I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
>Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
>one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
>members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
>their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
>can't come out and say so.
>
>Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
>
>PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 26 16:34:59 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:34:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
References: <200512261700.jBQH04um016838@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c60a7d$5fdff3a0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

> As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Cold?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

You ARE an Aussie! 8^)

ROFLMAO!!!!!


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec 26 17:57:23 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:57:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
Message-ID: <43B09F83.6070108@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 26 16:53:49 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:53:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
Message-ID: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>


Can anyone tell me tell me who manufactures modern day stationary engines?



Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From lsain33 at charter.net  Mon Dec 26 16:54:15 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:54:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<1135642956.43b0894c6b04a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <074901c60a80$0f7e60b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Yeah, makes no diff to me, if it's an item I like I'll bid.  But reading
some of the rules and prohibited items, I saw charity items prohibited.
Maybe it's a don't ask, don't tell situation.  All I know is that was a
prized item!

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo


> Hi Larry,
>
> Why should it matter to eBay WHAT the seller plans to do with the money?
> Afterall, PETA was selling the "services" of their head beagle for a day
and
> everyone knows they put the proceeds toward ecoterrorism.  8-))
>
> I'm shortly going to put a few items up for sale on eBay.  I plan to
devote the
> majority of the proceeds to good beer and bad women.  The rest I plan to
waste.
>  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Larry Sain <lsain33 at charter.net>:
>
> > I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
> > Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item
and
> > one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
> > members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
> > their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
> > can't come out and say so.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --
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>
>


From lsain33 at charter.net  Mon Dec 26 17:05:46 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:05:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<43B08A24.7090405@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <075a01c60a81$ab9a8f90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Good show, Tommy.  Be sure to let us know the item #.

Larry, Politically incorrect again in Cat Square, NC


----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo


> I've been off the computer all day and just got the info on the auction
> being pulled.  But, you're right Larry, they sent me an email stating
> that it was pulled because ATIS was not one of their "approved"
> charities (we'd probably be surprised to know what some of the approved
> ones are).   I probably won't have time to relist it tonight but will
> soon and won't mention ATIS.  I'll simply say that the proceeds will be
> used for  a good cause.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Larry Sain wrote:
>
> >Hey Arnie,
> >
> >I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
> >Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item
and
> >one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
> >members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
> >their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
> >can't come out and say so.
> >
> >Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> >
> >PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec 26 18:11:57 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:11:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
In-Reply-To: <20051226235809.64390.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051226235809.64390.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B0A2ED.8040006@wightman.ca>

Hi James,

Nope. Just Ariel bikes. Must have been over 30 of them including Square 
Four's and Red Hunters.

Duncan


James Moran wrote:

>Ariel's huh...this individual did not have, by any chance, and Vincents?  You know Black Lightning or Shadows?
>  JM
>
>Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca> wrote:  Hi Folks,
>
>Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
>our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
>Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
>of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
>motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
>motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.
>
>Duncan
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Dec 26 17:46:03 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:46:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <013801c60a87$4befb060$0b151941@pengy>

Rex,

I could make a new bearing cap casting for you if you would like.  I would 
certainly feel safer with a good solid part instead of a welded repair, and 
I'm not saying that because I'm trying to drum up business.  I did a pair of 
bearing caps for Rick Strobel in Montana and you can ask him how they worked 
out and what you'll have to do to put the babbitt lining in the new cap. 
Contact me offlist if you're interested.  All I would ned would be the old 
cap as a pattern.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap


Ok List need your Help

  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what I 
thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" 
racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and come 
to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to form in 
the corner of my eyes as I walked
back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from 
the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine over 
at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the 
Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast 
iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap


Rex Hinz
Baraboo WI
Live with my Wife
I have Dogs
I sometimes don't (snipp)
I don't like cats
I love You Aussis
I like old engines
Beer is Good



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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Dec 26 17:47:31 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:47:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226175135.041c20f0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c60a87$80767f30$0b151941@pengy>

Dave,

Your memory serves you pretty good!  Northwest Ohio is pretty close to 
Northeast Ohio, actually they are right next to each other!

Thanks

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap


> Hi Rex,
>         If memory serves me correctly someone on the List casts parts. I 
> think the guy is located somewhere in North West Ohio--but I'm not sure. 
> The List members for whom this guy has cast parts say that his work is 
> good and his prices are reasonable. Perhaps someone on the List can help 
> us recalling the guys name! I think that casting a replacement would be 
> better that attempting to weld it.
>         Dave
>
>
>>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what 
>> I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" 
>> racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and 
>> come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to 
>> form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
>>back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from 
>>the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine 
>>over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the 
>>Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast 
>>iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap
>>Rex Hinz
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Dec 26 17:54:36 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:54:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<43B08A24.7090405@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <015601c60a88$7db064e0$0b151941@pengy>

If you register with missionfish.org then you can become approved by ebay. 
I went through this with the Tod Engine Foundation last year and since then 
all listing fees for items sold on behalf of the Tod Engine are donated so 
every once and a shile I'll see a deposit to our checking account for the 
value of the listing fees.  It works pretty well.  Now I don't know if the 
ATIS Charity Auction has been incorporated and granted a tax exempt status, 
but if it hasn't and we want to continue the auction every year we should do 
that.  For organizations like the Tod Engine that recieve proceeds from the 
auction the tax returns I fill out want the EIN of the donor.  Maybe Spencer 
and I should have an offlist chat and set this stuff up if it isn't already.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo


> I've been off the computer all day and just got the info on the auction 
> being pulled.  But, you're right Larry, they sent me an email stating that 
> it was pulled because ATIS was not one of their "approved" charities (we'd 
> probably be surprised to know what some of the approved ones are).   I 
> probably won't have time to relist it tonight but will soon and won't 
> mention ATIS.  I'll simply say that the proceeds will be used for  a good 
> cause.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Larry Sain wrote:
>
>>Hey Arnie,
>>
>>I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
>>Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
>>one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
>>members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
>>their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
>>can't come out and say so.
>>
>>Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
>>
>>PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 18:17:13 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:17:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <013d01c60a87$80767f30$0b151941@pengy>
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226175135.041c20f0@mail.alltel.net>
	<013d01c60a87$80767f30$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226211637.04081798@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rick, ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew that!
         Dave

At 08:47 PM 12/26/2005, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Your memory serves you pretty good!  Northwest Ohio is pretty close to 
>Northeast Ohio, actually they are right next to each other!
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
>
>
>>Hi Rex,
>>         If memory serves me correctly someone on the List casts parts. I 
>> think the guy is located somewhere in North West Ohio--but I'm not sure. 
>> The List members for whom this guy has cast parts say that his work is 
>> good and his prices are reasonable. Perhaps someone on the List can help 
>> us recalling the guys name! I think that casting a replacement would be 
>> better that attempting to weld it.
>>         Dave
>>
>>
>>>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to 
>>> what I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy 
>>> with my 2" racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a 
>>> summersault and come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , 
>>> Tears started to form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
>>>back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water 
>>>from the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the 
>>>engine over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was 
>>>cracked'  Here is the Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? 
>>>I have used it on cast iron with very good results but question the use 
>>>on the main bearing cap
>>>Rex Hinz
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 18:39:15 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:39:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <013801c60a87$4befb060$0b151941@pengy>
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
	<013801c60a87$4befb060$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <43B0A953.2010109@earthlink.net>

Rick Rowlands work is first rate, and that is from experience. Repair or 
new is up to you, but I wouldn't hesitate to have him cast a new part 
for me. Hell, he already did. :-))

Jeff
48 F here Dave

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Rex,
>
> I could make a new bearing cap casting for you if you would like.  I 
> would certainly feel safer with a good solid part instead of a welded 
> repair, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to drum up 
> business.  I did a pair of bearing caps for Rick Strobel in Montana 
> and you can ask him how they worked out and what you'll have to do to 
> put the babbitt lining in the new cap. Contact me offlist if you're 
> interested.  All I would ned would be the old cap as a pattern.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
>
>
> Ok List need your Help
>
>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to 
> what I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy 
> with my 2" racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a 
> summersault and come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , 
> Tears started to form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
> back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water 
> from the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the 
> engine over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  
> Here is the Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have 
> used it on cast iron with very good results but question the use on 
> the main bearing cap
>
>
> Rex Hinz
> Baraboo WI
> Live with my Wife
> I have Dogs
> I sometimes don't (snipp)
> I don't like cats
> I love You Aussis
> I like old engines
> Beer is Good
>
>
>
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>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 26 18:43:20 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:43:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Modern stationary engine makers
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <75abe20aff9ba9afc28f66eeb195ea70@chartertn.net>

There are a whole bunch of Indian makers of Listeroids and Petterlings.

I'm not sure what the current status is of Arrow Engineering and their 
Witte Diesel and gas engine clones. A few years ago Bell Manufacturing 
was advertising new Fairbanks-Morse ZCs and I priced their ~7.5HP (?206 
cid, I forget) and was quoted $5000 for anew one and $3000 for a nice 
rebuilt old Fairbanks-Morse. The Listeroids are a bit more affordable.

John

On Dec 26, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Jim wrote:

>
> Can anyone tell me tell me who manufactures modern day stationary 
> engines?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Mon Dec 26 19:13:01 2005
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:13:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <43B0B13D.5010107@atnet.net>

Jim - Might check out http://www.arrowengine.com/cseries.htm

Regards,

Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA, USA

Jim wrote:

> 
> Can anyone tell me tell me who manufactures modern day stationary engines?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim (From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> 8^)
> 
> I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!
> 
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 19:13:48 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:13:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
In-Reply-To: <002401c60a50$a7dbd020$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
	<002401c60a50$a7dbd020$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226220606.04072ae8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Charlie,
>Dave,  Aren't all beer cans practically the same thickness?

While this is true the shim stock made from Old Mil cans is vastly superior 
to all the rest!

>What about the ones before the days they started making them out of AL?

Steel cans will work well, but are much harder to cut than those made from 
AL. Besides, you and I are among the few on the List who are old enough to 
remember steel beer cans--and you are the only one who still has some saved 
in your basement!

>  Isn't Mr. Andree's first name spelled Curt?

Yes, my BAD. I should not try to use my keyboard before 11;00 in the morning!

>  Have you been making shim stock lately?

Yes, but not before 11:00 in the morning. As Arnie is prone to say "It's 
after 5:00 someplace in the world all the time!"

>Charlie Bryant
         Dave



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 26 19:54:26 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:54:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
Message-ID: <20051226.195426.1088.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
Isn't North central Ohio in between them?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:47:31 -0500 "Rick Rowlands"
<jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> writes:
> Dave,
> 
> Your memory serves you pretty good!  Northwest Ohio is pretty close 
> to 
> Northeast Ohio, actually they are right next to each other!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rick


From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 20:48:41 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:48:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
Message-ID: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

It cost me a three dollar bid to get this info. The e-mail address for 
the low rent bastard stealing photos and selling them is:
homereyeball at aol.com

What you do with this information is entirely up to you.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Dec 26 21:24:33 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:24:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <e9507509d48c554cdeba89236f0c4d56@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <026e01c60aa5$d3a90970$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> eBay's into that ridiculous anti-violence, no weapons
stuff. 
> That's why they killed it, I bet.
> 
> John


Hi John, 
Here's what ebay says:

"Services that are illegal, sexual in nature or that violate
eBay's User Agreement."

What red-blooded lass could view that picture of Dave with
his devilish smile and those bootylishus jeans and not feel
a little... "sexual in nature?"






From guitronics at comcast.net  Tue Dec 27 04:43:15 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:43:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Listeroids Australia
Message-ID: <43B136E3.90009@comcast.net>

http://members.dodo.com.au/~sam_warne/

http://utterpower.com/metex_twin.htm

http://utterpower.com/

   These links should get you started....efficiency graph given for a 6HP.

A Bunch of info on Diesels,and an Australian source.

                    mike


From guitronics at comcast.net  Tue Dec 27 04:59:30 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:59:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <1135629057.43b053019938e@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>	<1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>	<43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>
	<1135629057.43b053019938e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B13AB2.9070405@comcast.net>

Well....I'm in a bunch of other forums/lists.Yahoo Cordwood 
(homebuilders),Slick,libranet users, libranet o-t,and to a lesser 
extent,other lists;such as the PS400 forum.

                mike


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 27 06:58:03 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:58:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
References: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512270952050.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jeff,

There's another twist on the "Low Rent Bastard" concept playing on eBay.
This LRB is selling Wendel's newly printed BYB for about double what
Wendel charges.  And to keep good engine folks from tipping off his
victims, he runs the auction with "Private Bidders".  No one can see who
is bidding or contact the bidders.  Sweet scam 'eh?  Where would we be
without those lovely Low Rent Bastards?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Jeff Allen wrote:

> It cost me a three dollar bid to get this info. The e-mail address for
> the low rent bastard stealing photos and selling them is:
> homereyeball at aol.com



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 08:32:31 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:32:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine-related Xmas pressies
Message-ID: <6f6025160512270832t35d1ea42t643389bc6083d908@mail.gmail.com>

In amongst the usual Xmas presents that came my way this year were a
couple that shone out:

Fred Dibnah's "Made in Britain" DVD, episodes 1-6 of the last TV
series that he did. Great watching, eventually we were all engrossed!

Machinery's Handbook 5th Edition - shows that my eldest Son has a
fine-tuned sense of the 'correct' present for his father!

What did the other List folks get this year that was engine-related? 
(self-bought pressies don't apply, Dave....)

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 08:38:37 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:38:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
Message-ID: <23b.45df222.30e2c80d@aol.com>

Hi,
The Cushman Cub manual, I have, doesn't contain the  specifications for the 
exhaust valve tappet clearance.  On my engine, the  valve stem clearance seems 
to be excessive (about .200).  What is the  correct clearance?
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec 27 10:40:25 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:40:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
In-Reply-To: <200512271700.jBRH05ZG014087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051227203803.00a86718@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 27/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 46
>Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:38:37 EST
>From: FRM8198 at aol.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Message-ID: <23b.45df222.30e2c80d at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Hi,
>The Cushman Cub manual, I have, doesn't contain the  specifications for the
>exhaust valve tappet clearance.  On my engine, the  valve stem clearance 
>seems
>to be excessive (about .200).  What is the  correct clearance?
>Francis  Maciel

Hi Francis,
         My Massey Harris  (rebadged Cushman Cub) shows .015 for Exhaust 
clearance.

         I'm mailing a copy of the manual to you off list - hope it is 
useful. It is just under 1 Megabyte - hope I do not jam up your email.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]



From oldengin at verizon.net  Tue Dec 27 10:45:53 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:45:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT model, she is NICE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512270952050.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512270952050.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B18BE1.80909@verizon.net>

It is hard to beleive you can not have her between your legs!
http://www.ronsmodelengines.com/   go to engines and to his newest for the sound



-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 11:21:40 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
Message-ID: <250.3dba8d8.30e2ee44@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/27/2005 11:12:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

My Massey Harris  (rebadged Cushman Cub) shows .015 for Exhaust  
clearance.

I'm mailing a copy of  the manual to you off list - hope it is 
useful. It is just under 1  Megabyte - hope I do not jam up your email.


Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the fast response.
Just got the copy of your manual.  This document has more data  than the one 
I just purchased.  Again thanks.
The exhaust clearance you have sent seems to be more in tune with  the 
specifications with which I am familiar.
I also like the detail with how to set the magneto timing.  I  think I have 
to make an adjusting part for the magneto trip lever.   The one on my engine 
doesn't appear to be the correct one even though I can get  it to run.  

Francis  Maciel
514 E. Taft 
Santa Maria, CA  93454



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 27 11:21:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Mad Man Maytag Killer (from eBay)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512271418110.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Whoever it was who guessed that eBay killed it for the use of the words
"ATIS Charity Auction" hit it right on the money.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:19:59 -0800
From: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp at ebay.com>
To: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: EN62821 LP Response to your email concerning eBay's listing
    policies.  (KMM198976629V32405L0KM)

Hello Arnie,

Thank you for taking the time to write eBay with your concerns. My name
is Andra and I'm happy to help you further.

I've reviewed your listing, "Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag
killer," item 7377132820, and it contained the following information:

"Checks are to be made to ATIS Charity Auction and all proceeds will be
donated to that charity."

Arnie, eBay encourages community members to be active in supporting
charitable endeavors. Because charitable fundraising is a highly
regulated area subject to numerous state and federal laws, eBay has
partnered with MissionFish to make charitable listing easy and has
created very specific guidelines for allowing charitable solicitations
on eBay. We will allow sellers to list items on eBay and collect
proceeds (in whole or in part) on behalf of a charity, either via
MissionFish, or directly on eBay, as long as the listings meet these
guidelines. We hope that these guidelines will help you to have a safe
and successful trading experience on eBay, and we will remove listings
that do not comply with these standards.

Guidelines for MissionFish listings:
*Sellers may only list items via MissionFish on eBay that meet the
MissionFish listing guidelines, including the guidelines designed to
obtain advance consent from the charities.
*Sellers may only solicit on behalf of recognized charitable
organizations registered with MissionFish.

Guidelines for Non-MissionFish listings
*Sellers may only list items on behalf of a charity if the charity has
provided advance written consent for the solicitation. To prove that you
have obtained that consent, you must include a scanned copy of the
consent in the listing.
*Sellers may only solicit on behalf of recognized 501c3 or 501c4
charitable organizations

To learn more about Charity Listings, please go to this page:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html

For a better understanding of our listing guidelines and how they affect
the way you list your items, please visit the following URL:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html

It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing eBay. Thank you
for being a valuable member of the eBay community. Have a wonderful time
shopping and selling on eBay throughout the New Year!

Regards,

Andra
Community Watch Team
eBay Trust & Safety
_____________________________________________



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec 27 12:13:56 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:13:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
Message-ID: <43B1A084.6050104@imc-group.com>

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.html

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Russell, Kerry, John, it may have been 46 in Mildura but I still 
ain't gettin' in the hot tub with a bunch of naked Aussie blokes!!!


From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 12:39:49 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:39:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <43B1A084.6050104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000601c60b25$af588f70$92bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

Very nice and I enjoyed them and I'm sure the other members enjoyed them.
Lyle Myles/ NW Ohio/ McGuffey

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:14 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.htm
l

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Russell, Kerry, John, it may have been 46 in Mildura but I still 
ain't gettin' in the hot tub with a bunch of naked Aussie blokes!!!
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec 27 12:45:35 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B1A7EF.1020506@imc-group.com>

Oh PLLEEEAAAASSSSEEEE Steve! Everyone in this part of NC has caught on 
to the racket you Oyster Crackers are running. Hammer wielding Steve 
builds these gargantuan houses that consume vast quantities of oil to 
heat them. The closing arrangements have your brother Mike in a 
contractual arrangement to supply heating oil to those same houses. Hell 
everyone in Shelby knows the beaming smile on Mike's face is in inverse 
proportion to the outdoor temperature. The colder, the bigger the smile.
Want proof?
Last year it was a balmy 60 F for the New Year's Day crankup. No oil 
being consumed by Steve's mansions. Now here are the Oyster Crackers 
driving a Rumley tractor, which would put one hell of a smile on any 
engine guy's face.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2004/P1010072c.html

You see any smiles??? The overwhelming sense of lost heating oil income 
was completely obliterating the fun they should have been having.
:-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



Steve Royster wrote:

> Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil 
> baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver. 




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 13:35:39 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:35:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <000601c60b25$af588f70$92bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <20051227213539.28482.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

This is truly off topic.  However, I would be  interested in hearing from you folks scattered about the  landscape...when was the last time you saw someone hitch hiking?  
  
  JM

Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at earthlink.net> wrote:  Very nice and I enjoyed them and I'm sure the other members enjoyed them.
Lyle Myles/ NW Ohio/ McGuffey

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:14 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.htm
l

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Russell, Kerry, John, it may have been 46 in Mildura but I still 
ain't gettin' in the hot tub with a bunch of naked Aussie blokes!!!
_______________________________________________
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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



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---------------------------------
Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. 

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 27 14:31:04 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:31:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1856D3B5F1AE743271DB1495370@phx.gbl>

And I haven't been able to sleep knowing how much that little girl cost me 
to buy a PUZZLE!   Steve Royster , the poor oyster brother


>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
>Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:38:53 -0500
>
>Hi Glenn,
>         This is, indeed, good news! I have not gotten a proper nights 
>sleep since Portland. Nightmares of that incident and the tears running 
>down her sad little face have haunted my sleep for almost 5 months now. At 
>last I will be able to sleep the whole night through again! Thanks!
>         Dave
>
>At 10:21 PM 12/25/2005, you wrote:
>>Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle 
>>box.
>>
>>Glenn Karch
>>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>Hercules Historian
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:50 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
>>
>>
>> > Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against
>>CUTE
>> > LITTLE GIRLS!
>> >          Dave
>> >
>> > You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.
>> >
>> > Larry
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Dec 27 14:27:00 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:27:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers
References: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>
	<43B1A7EF.1020506@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001101c60b34$a7c442e0$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>

Leave it to an engineer to over-analyze the situation.  Steve is big-time
contractor,  I merely sell a little gas and oil.  I am smiling as I drive
the Rumely, that is my "happy face"!!!!

MR Oyster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers


> Oh PLLEEEAAAASSSSEEEE Steve! Everyone in this part of NC has caught on
> to the racket you Oyster Crackers are running. Hammer wielding Steve
> builds these gargantuan houses that consume vast quantities of oil to
> heat them. The closing arrangements have your brother Mike in a
> contractual arrangement to supply heating oil to those same houses. Hell
> everyone in Shelby knows the beaming smile on Mike's face is in inverse
> proportion to the outdoor temperature. The colder, the bigger the smile.
> Want proof?
> Last year it was a balmy 60 F for the New Year's Day crankup. No oil
> being consumed by Steve's mansions. Now here are the Oyster Crackers
> driving a Rumley tractor, which would put one hell of a smile on any
> engine guy's face.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2004/P1010072c.html
>
> You see any smiles??? The overwhelming sense of lost heating oil income
> was completely obliterating the fun they should have been having.
> :-)
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
> > Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil
> > baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver.
>
>
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 27 14:45:58 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:45:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Royster Crackers & tractors, 
References: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl><43B1A7EF.1020506@imc-group.com>
	<001101c60b34$a7c442e0$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <011701c60b37$4fe6cb30$c84f8347@D6R3D961>

Thats a great picture, If there wasnt a  description I would say the engine 
just made a funny sound and they all just looked at it.  Kind of a look of 
concern.

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ

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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:02:01 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks
  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. Interesting and informative.
  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:36:33 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:36:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers
In-Reply-To: <001101c60b34$a7c442e0$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051227233633.63412.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

MR-
  You say that you sell gas/oil.  This interests me for personal  reasons...something in which, just perhaps, you'll have a special  interest.  Please contact me off group at jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
  Thanks.
  JM

Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:  Leave it to an engineer to over-analyze the situation.  Steve is big-time
contractor,  I merely sell a little gas and oil.  I am smiling as I drive
the Rumely, that is my "happy face"!!!!

MR Oyster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers


> Oh PLLEEEAAAASSSSEEEE Steve! Everyone in this part of NC has caught on
> to the racket you Oyster Crackers are running. Hammer wielding Steve
> builds these gargantuan houses that consume vast quantities of oil to
> heat them. The closing arrangements have your brother Mike in a
> contractual arrangement to supply heating oil to those same houses. Hell
> everyone in Shelby knows the beaming smile on Mike's face is in inverse
> proportion to the outdoor temperature. The colder, the bigger the smile.
> Want proof?
> Last year it was a balmy 60 F for the New Year's Day crankup. No oil
> being consumed by Steve's mansions. Now here are the Oyster Crackers
> driving a Rumley tractor, which would put one hell of a smile on any
> engine guy's face.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2004/P1010072c.html
>
> You see any smiles??? The overwhelming sense of lost heating oil income
> was completely obliterating the fun they should have been having.
> :-)
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
> > Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil
> > baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver.
>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:39:20 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:39:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

SEL Group-
  A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through the investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
  I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  there is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  assure you) that there is no collective interest in this effort?
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Folks
  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. Interesting and informative.
  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:40:11 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:40:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051227234011.61433.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

"The wheel in the sky keeps on turning.  I don't know where I'll be tomorrow"
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Folks
  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. Interesting and informative.
  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 27 16:01:39 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:01:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <026e01c60aa5$d3a90970$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <026e01c60aa5$d3a90970$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <5c9c5f29a603c2a57e5a7782e20a9a3f@chartertn.net>

On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:24 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> What red-blooded lass could view that picture of Dave with
> his devilish smile and those bootylishus jeans and not feel
> a little... "sexual in nature?"

Hmmm, sounds like you're in touch with your feminine side, Rob.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Dec 27 15:56:21 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:56:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] sel   Flywheels
Message-ID: <002501c60b41$26bd0760$dd2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>

Reg .....I have followed the saga of your flywheels. It is hard to
understand this man whatever his name is. Why would he do this ,is supplying
castings part of his day to day business?Has he taken a distinct dislike to
you ,have others suffered the same treatment?It seems he is a bible thumper, 
they are the worst. I sympathise with you Reg .....times like this one could 
commit murder. Apart from paying him a visit and having a quite word I don't 
have a solution Lets have his email and perhaps we could all have a word 
with him!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 27 16:29:53 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:29:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512271310010.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie,

I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books. There 
was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he was doing. 
I believe this is the guy:

http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817

He sells at Portland and other places around his area.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343

Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===================

>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
>Hi Carl,
>
>As far as eBay is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what the guy is
>doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping off other
>engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>
>Here's the text of his auction:
>
>    AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel
>
>    This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
>    Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
>    It has 584 page with many many pictures.
>
>    This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
>    Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
>    olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
>    This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
>    It is perfect because it is new.
>
>    This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>    interferr with my bidders.
>
>As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
>basic English.
>
>If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>
>He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (twice what Wendel charges).
>In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.
>
>It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
>ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
>other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
>his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))
>
>Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
>"hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
>too slimy for me to deal with.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
>offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Tue Dec 27 16:34:25 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c60b46$74e44110$0b151941@pengy>

Its Christmastime and many of us are otherwise occupied.  I don't actually 
remember reading your post.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


> SEL Group-
>  A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through the 
> investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
>  I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  there 
> is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  assure you) 
> that there is no collective interest in this effort?
>  JM
>
> "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Folks
>  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. 
> Interesting and informative.
>  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
>  Ron
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
>  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 27 17:12:48 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:12:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
References: <20051227213539.28482.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003301c60b4b$d2f80480$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Aint any point hitchin if you realise folk are afraid!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>


...when was the last time you saw someone hitch hiking?  




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 27 17:16:50 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:16:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051227201539.0249c758@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:02 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks
>   I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. 
> Interesting and informative.
>   http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
>   Ron

Hi Ron, When you put the pictures up for auction on e-bay be sure to give 
Rob and kelley credit for them!
         Dave 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 27 17:25:20 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:25:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] sel   Flywheels
References: <002501c60b41$26bd0760$dd2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000e01c60b4d$970607e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi mate. Hang off for a bit. Things are being worked on. It aint over by a
long shot!
I can handle being shat on but when they pull out my hair to wipe their
arse, I get up and start swinging!!
There are quite a lot of others who aint happy with him. We have been in 
touch after the ad one of them put in GEM..

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] sel Flywheels


> Reg .....I have followed the saga of your flywheels. It is hard to
> understand this man whatever his name is. Why would he do this ,is
> supplying
> castings part of his day to day business?Has he taken a distinct dislike
> to
> you ,have others suffered the same treatment?It seems he is a bible
> thumper, they are the worst. I sympathise with you Reg .....times like
> this one could commit murder. Apart from paying him a visit and having a
> quite word I don't have a solution Lets have his email and perhaps we
> could all have a word with him!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Tue Dec 27 17:25:36 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:25:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
Message-ID: <002801c60b4d$9e0123e0$5f610b42@computer>

Luke.
   I know Jon and would be surprised if he is scamming people.    I only
know him from engine auctions and shows.  He is an engines jockey as he buys
and sells but the sales I've witnessed of his seem equitable.   George F.
Armstrong
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low rent Bastard


>Hi Arnie,
>
>I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books.
There
>was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he was doing.
>I believe this is the guy:
>
>http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817
>
>He sells at Portland and other places around his area.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343
>
>Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>===================
>
>>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>
>>Hi Carl,
>>
>>As far as eBay is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what the guy is
>>doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping off other
>>engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>>
>>Here's the text of his auction:
>>
>>    AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel
>>
>>    This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
>>    Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
>>    It has 584 page with many many pictures.
>>
>>    This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
>>    Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
>>    olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
>>    This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
>>    It is perfect because it is new.
>>
>>    This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>>    interferr with my bidders.
>>
>>As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
>>basic English.
>>
>>If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>>
>>He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (twice what Wendel charges).
>>In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.
>>
>>It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
>>ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
>>other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
>>his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))
>>
>>Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
>>"hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
>>too slimy for me to deal with.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
>>offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 27 17:41:00 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:41:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f9fb3228269c5cf9259766bb73210add@chartertn.net>

Well, from my own viewpoint, (1) there's not much hope of greatly 
improving the efficiency of an IHC M, the compression ratio being the 
principle determinant of efficiency and the M's design and mode of 
operation not lending itself well to a great increase in compression, 
and (2) it's a collectible antique. I like to keep those original and 
not modify them in ways that aren't easily reversible. The engines and 
the major parts like carburetors and magnetos aren't made anymore, and 
modifications of them are going to "mess them up" in the eyes of future 
collectors.

I'd recommend trying to work on the efficiency of something like a 
modern Briggs & Stratton or Tecumseh go-kart engine. They're typical of 
small engines widely used in modern farm and garden equipment. You'll 
find a lot of information and helpful resources from the folks who race 
them. :-)

John

On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:39 PM, James Moran wrote:

> SEL Group-
>   A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through 
> the investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
>   I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  
> there is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  
> assure you) that there is no collective interest in this effort?
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 17:39:47 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:39:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Low rent Bastard --- UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
References: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43B1ECE3.4060904@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

 >snip<

> It cost me a three dollar bid to get this info.


This just hit my mailbox. Turns out the information was free. :-))
 >snip<

>Dear Jeffrey G. Allen (transteck at earthlink.net),
>
>The following listing:
>
>7574745491 - 12 HP MULE HIT AND MISS PHOTO PRINT (free shipping)
>
>has been removed from eBay for violating eBay policy.  Since this listing was removed, you are not required to complete the transaction.
>
>For a complete list of eBay?s policies, please visit:  
>
>http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/item_allowed.html 
>
>Regards,
>
>Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
>eBay Inc
>  
>
For those with images listed that were taken from your site contact 
e-bay. I will forward that off list to a couple folks. They DO want to 
hear from you if someone is stealing your stuff.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/






From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Dec 27 17:51:08 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:51:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures.
Message-ID: <20051227.205349.852.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jim,

It's been years - But I haven't been driving morning (to) & night (from)
like I used to.

Plus - I would guess there isn't much need for a person to hitch-hike any
more.

Most kids git a car as soon as they git a license - or - have friends
that have one.

Plus - I wouldn't be suprised if it weren't "illegal".

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 18:09:25 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:09:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051227201539.0249c758@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051228020925.20393.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hum, hadn't thought of puting it on ebay. Maybe I could sell it for a BIG buck.
  Nah, guess I won't
  Ron

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
  At 06:02 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks
> I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. 
> Interesting and informative.
> http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
> Ron

Hi Ron, When you put the pictures up for auction on e-bay be sure to give 
Rob and kelley credit for them!
Dave 

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From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 27 18:12:03 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:12:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <002801c60b4d$9e0123e0$5f610b42@computer>
Message-ID: <20051228021203.97220.qmail@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Well, the id history for "hitmissengine", shows that
he changed his handle from jon-rozenvink on 5 January
05.
I know this guy, too. He is in it to make a buck, any
way he can. One of his buddies has been selling repro
yellow dogs, being careful not to tell you that it is
a repro.
The hobby has always had shit-heels like this, they
come and go.
I think this kid is making a name for himself that he
will not live down.
I haven't been following this thread real close. Is he
the one selling prints of stolen web pics? If so,
perhaps someone needs to cross post this to Harry's.
Love,
Aenus McShite
--- George wrote:

>    I know Jon and would be surprised if he is
> scamming people.    I only
> know him from engine auctions and shows.  He is an
> engines jockey as he buys
> and sells but the sales I've witnessed of his seem
> equitable.


		
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 27 18:29:43 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:29:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>

No Luke,  Jon isn't the print seller.  His ebay handle is 
"hitmissengine" and the guy selling the prints is "simpson52".  Jon does 
sell some of Wendel's reprint books but I really wouldn't call it a 
scam.  He's put them on ebay and many have brought over $100.  He states 
in his ad that they are new and aren't the early '83 version.  Its 
always "buyer beware" when purchasing on ebay.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Arnie,
>
> I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books. 
> There was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he 
> was doing. I believe this is the guy:
>
> http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817
>
> He sells at Portland and other places around his area.
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343
>
> Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ===================
>
>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>
>> Hi Carl,
>>
>> As far as eBay is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what the guy is
>> doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping off 
>> other
>> engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>>
>> Here's the text of his auction:
>>
>>    AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel
>>
>>    This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
>>    Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
>>    It has 584 page with many many pictures.
>>
>>    This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
>>    Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
>>    olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
>>    This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
>>    It is perfect because it is new.
>>
>>    This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>>    interferr with my bidders.
>>
>> As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
>> basic English.
>>
>> If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>>
>> He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (twice what Wendel charges).
>> In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.
>>
>> It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
>> ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
>> other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
>> his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))
>>
>> Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
>> "hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
>> too slimy for me to deal with.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
>> offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>
>
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 18:40:45 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:40:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <003301c60b4b$d2f80480$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000001c60b58$1b5b1760$94e0fc04@lyle0592c054dd>

Who could afford gas to go out and look!
Lyle Myles

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 

Aint any point hitchin if you realise folk are afraid!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>


...when was the last time you saw someone hitch hiking?  


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 27 19:25:45 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:25:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051228020925.20393.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <031b01c60b5e$65f76020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Hum, hadn't thought of puting it on ebay. Maybe I could
sell 
> it for a BIG buck.  Nah, guess I won't
>   Ron

Hi Ron, 
You should.  I hear the guy who runs the web page is a real
jerk.  

Right after he paid dearly for the book on eBay, he offered
to print up about 20 copies and asked the Engine List if
anyone was interested in splitting the cost 20 ways.
Somebody had a fit and accused him of profiteering.  

He didn't really understand the charges leveled against him,
as he already had an original copy and was merely offering
to share it.  Anyway, he got mad and no one got a copy of
the book.  

Time passed, the bitterness subsided, and eventually the
book was made available in pdf format.  You can get your
very own copy at 
http://literature.rustyiron.com







From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 19:33:57 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:33:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction?  What Happened?
In-Reply-To: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051228033357.89576.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy folks,
   
  Why is the auction so dead this year?
   
  I am the current care taker of the Blue Handled Fence Pliers.
  I won't put them out there to be so lonely. (and sell for peanuts)
  I guess I will have to send them along to the Portland auction in August.
  They have a nice wooden box to rest in now.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan

		
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 27 19:46:04 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:46:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <031b01c60b5e$65f76020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <20051228020925.20393.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<031b01c60b5e$65f76020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051227224153.02559408@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rob,
         You have such a nice way of saying "Your an asshole." I hope that 
we can talk about the way you "talk nice" when I see you in April. I sure 
have a lot to learn from "The Master!"
         Dave

At 10:25 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote:

> > Hum, hadn't thought of puting it on ebay. Maybe I could
>sell
> > it for a BIG buck.  Nah, guess I won't
> >   Ron
>
>Hi Ron,
>You should.  I hear the guy who runs the web page is a real
>jerk.
>
>Right after he paid dearly for the book on eBay, he offered
>to print up about 20 copies and asked the Engine List if
>anyone was interested in splitting the cost 20 ways.
>Somebody had a fit and accused him of profiteering.
>
>He didn't really understand the charges leveled against him,
>as he already had an original copy and was merely offering
>to share it.  Anyway, he got mad and no one got a copy of
>the book.
>
>Time passed, the bitterness subsided, and eventually the
>book was made available in pdf format.  You can get your
>very own copy at
>http://literature.rustyiron.com



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 27 20:57:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:57:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

As far as eBay (or the law) is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what this
shitheel is doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping
off other engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.

Here's the text of his auction:

   AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel

   This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
   Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
   It has 584 page with many many pictures.

   This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
   Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
   olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
   This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
   It is perfect because it is new.

   This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
   interferr with my bidders.

As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
basic English.

If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708

He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (triple what Wendel charges).
In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.

It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))

It's also interesting that the "interference" with his bidders that he's
complaining about is good engine folks letting the suckers know that they're
being scammed and giving them Wendel's contact info.  Isn't that just TERRIBLE
interference with good natured commerce?

Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
"hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
too slimy for me to deal with.

See ya,  Arnie

PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
offering the book at face value; $55.  8-)))
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> No Luke,  Jon isn't the print seller.  His ebay handle is 
> "hitmissengine" and the guy selling the prints is "simpson52".  Jon does 
> sell some of Wendel's reprint books but I really wouldn't call it a 
> scam.  He's put them on ebay and many have brought over $100.  He states 
> in his ad that they are new and aren't the early '83 version.  Its 
> always "buyer beware" when purchasing on ebay.



From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 21:31:31 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:31:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

 >snip<

>As far as eBay (or the law) is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what this
>shitheel is doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping
>off other engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>
I've seen his auctions and I agree with you. The private bit keeps us 
from warning bidders. There is one who was not warned due to the private 
issue, and he also sells stolen photos. Birds of a feather? I will now 
be contacting e-bay about the false contact info from the seller of 
stolen pictures. He's gotta be a bit sore in the rear end by now.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



>This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>   interferr with my bidders.
>
>
>  
>
P.S. I ain't the brightest bulb on the tree, but interferr is a word I 
can't find. Spelled correctly it should be a red flag to bidders. Sigh!



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 27 22:13:48 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:13:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <43B1A084.6050104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20051228061345.TLGE3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Curt,
	Enjoyed the photos. An impressive line up of IHC machinery.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.htm
l

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 27 22:32:49 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:32:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Petter Sideshaft
Message-ID: <20051228063246.WYCN15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

A mate of mine got hold of this beauty just before Christmas. It is a Petter
sideshaft engine of reasonable size. Bore: 7"; Stroke: 12".
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temp/05122618.jpg
Does anyone have any info on this style of Petter?
Thanks,
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Wed Dec 28 00:10:03 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:10:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22
References: <200512271700.jBRH05ZG014087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c60b86$1b4be640$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Jim - Might check out http://www.arrowengine.com/cseries.htm

Tried that one .....

And found these .....
http://www.lister-petter.co.uk/products.php
http://www.metroexporters.com/metex/

Any more, super sleuths? 8^)



Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Wed Dec 28 00:14:29 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:14:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22
References: <200512271700.jBRH05ZG014087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c60b86$b9a3c9c0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

A Bunch of info on Diesels,and an Australian source.

                    mike

Many thanks mate ....

Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec 28 04:04:50 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:04:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>


>I've seen his auctions and I agree with you. The private bit keeps us from 
>warning bidders. There is one who was not warned due to the private issue, 
>and he also sells stolen photos. Birds of a feather? I will now be 
>contacting e-bay about the false contact info from the seller of stolen 
>pictures. He's gotta be a bit sore in the rear end by now.
>Jeff

Hi Jeff,
         Do you (or does anyone on the List) know if e-bay will do anything 
about what (and how) this guy is selling/operating. Is he actually doing 
anything that is against e-bay policy?
         Dave 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 28 05:08:27 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:08:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B28E4B.3090301@scrtc.com>

Arnie,

    I never figured out why Wendel didn't put the book on ebay himself 
with a "Buy it Now" for $50.  I don't like the fact that the auction is 
a "private listing" as I agree with your thoughts, its done simply to 
keep one friend from tipping off another that the book is available from 
another source.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>As far as eBay (or the law) is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what this
>shitheel is doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping
>off other engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>  
>
>  
>




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Dec 28 06:41:22 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:41:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B2A412.5010005@wightman.ca>

Good point Dave.

Duncan

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>         Do you (or does anyone on the List) know if e-bay will do 
> anything about what (and how) this guy is selling/operating. Is he 
> actually doing anything that is against e-bay policy?
>         Dave
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>
>


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Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From asouth at strato.net  Wed Dec 28 05:43:09 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:43:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Low rent Bastard
Message-ID: <007c01c60bb4$a40074f0$3900a8c0@ARTHUR>

Hey Arnie and list,

For what ever it's worth, I compared the photos used in both listing, 
<drew43a> and <hitmissengine>, are the same image. Both are in Ohio. 
Something smells to me.

My 2 cents,
Arthur

Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida, USA
asouth at strato.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
(snipped)


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708

> PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
> offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com








Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Dec 28 06:44:03 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:44:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
Message-ID: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>

If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec 28 06:49:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:49:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <007c01c60bb4$a40074f0$3900a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <007c01c60bb4$a40074f0$3900a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512280944460.15924@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Art,

The only stink is coming from the private auction crap.  Have a look at
this thread on Harry's...
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27041

Andrew Albrecht is the one selling Wendel's book for what it costs.  He's
one of the "good guys."

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Arthur Southwell wrote:

> For what ever it's worth, I compared the photos used in both listing,
> <drew43a> and <hitmissengine>, are the same image. Both are in Ohio.
> Something smells to me.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>
> > PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
> > offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec 28 10:19:03 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:19:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old tire chains
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051228101430.01bff9c0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Does any one on the list collect old auto accessories. I have a set of tire 
chains that have the cross chain part that is rubber strap in a cross 
design. i am packing for a move and they need to go have been hanging on a 
peg in my TRACTOR Engine Shop[tractor reference] for a lot of years. If you 
have an interest contact me i will make you a deal you can't refuse. Also 
have a few parts from a 1959 Thundebird. And ford truck 73-79 door 
panels-arm rests-dash pad- ect
R Fink
PA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 07:22:21 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:22:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
In-Reply-To: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:
> If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
> ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it
>
> Glenn Karch

Here's the link:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23813

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 07:26:46 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:26:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512280726g21e96718icb6cd0312661cf22@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:
> > If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
> > ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it
> >
> > Glenn Karch
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23813
>

There may be others as well, I've just noticed that the ebay forum has
more than a couple of discussions going on the BYB.

Mine hasn't got here yet :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 07:28:06 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:28:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512280728u1a44bfu9a295cf9a087b319@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:
> > If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
> > ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it
> >
> > Glenn Karch
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23813
>
> Peter
> --

and this one:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23195

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec 28 08:15:50 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:15:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old tire chains
Message-ID: <20051228.111903.856.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rich,
If the door panels are black - I'm interested.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 28 09:58:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;

  Fellow engine friend just sent me his mixer to use as a pattern.  (ain't 
that great!!???):

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi

  Upon arrival I noticed that the big wet spot is a blob of brazing/welding 
and covers up the p/n..aargh.

  Here's a better picture of another mixer with my comments..apologize to 
the gentleman that sent it to me as I lost your name:

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/530440989kREuDu

  I would like Rick to make me a re-cast, but don't want to disassemble the 
choke assembly for fear of destroying something original i.e. "peaned choke 
butterfly shaft ends.

  It looks simple enough to turn on a lathe and with some 
fabricating/welding would probably pass, but no way of getting the p/n on it 
and also the long UNIQUE mounting bracket would be hard to fabricate IMO. 
You can't see it as it's mounted on the back of the mixer.


  Any suggestions on what to do in order to get a re-cast and not ruin his 
iron?

  'preciate it and thanks for looking,

RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 28 10:49:04 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:49:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B2DE20.4000201@imc-group.com>

Rick,
If you don't want to take it apart sounds like the only choice you have 
is to make a wooden pattern to get the part shape you want.
But even more important is that you need to make a core box. If you send 
Rick the part or make a plain pattern you would get a solid chunk 
instead of a hollow chunk. There will need to be core prints on each end 
that will hold the core. The core box will make 1/2 the core and the two 
halves glued together make the complete core.
You might run an ad on Harrys and see if someone has already made this 
part part before making a pattern.
BTW the numbers can be bought from Freeman Supply and superglued on the 
pattern.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Strobel wrote:

>  I would like Rick to make me a re-cast, but don't want to disassemble the 
>choke assembly for fear of destroying something original i.e. "peaned choke 
>butterfly shaft ends.
>
>  
>



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Dec 28 10:50:37 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:50:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Picture Auctions
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512271111y672f58afg56d85c5f4ff2a2bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051228185037.974.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com>


I finally have caught up on the email about the selling of a photo that I
took at a show several years back on ebay.  My delay was due to being out
of town for a few days.

I notified ebay on friday about the use of that single photo as I don't
"own" the other photos.  They pulled the auction yesterday(even after it
had ended).  I believe the delay was due to the holiday weekend.

I have located the source of most of the others and the person who created
the site, Keith Smigle, is reporting the other Associated engine photos
from their part of the oldengine.org site.  Keith had my photo on his site
as I had granted permission for him to do so.

>From the ebay site:
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
  Listing cancellation
  Limits on account privileges
  Account suspension 
  Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings 
  Loss of PowerSeller status

I did contact the seller and their response was: "sorry. i bought these
legally at a local flea market. it may be possible that someone got them
off the web or went to shows. i do not know. i thought they were some good
photos so i listed them. i bought a box of assorted photos and prints. hit
and miss and others. i collect hit and misses and related items"

The Hercules copies appear to be from Keith Kinney's catalog page on
www.herculesengines.com  One was cropped from an ink blotter.  I don't
know how ebay treats reproductions from old catalogs.

The other thing is the images that were used were low resolution and when
blown up to 8x10 would look like crap.

Steve


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 28 11:45:01 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:45:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>

Hi Tommy,

Yep, Jon isn't the one selling the photos. I wasn't very clear in my note. I 
agree 100% that it is buyer beware. What he is doing though is not honest in 
my book.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=======================

>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>No Luke,  Jon isn't the print seller.  His ebay handle is "hitmissengine" 
>and the guy selling the prints is "simpson52".  Jon does sell some of 
>Wendel's reprint books but I really wouldn't call it a scam.  He's put them 
>on ebay and many have brought over $100.  He states in his ad that they are 
>new and aren't the early '83 version.  Its always "buyer beware" when 
>purchasing on ebay.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>>Hi Arnie,
>>
>>I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books. 
>>There was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he was 
>>doing. I believe this is the guy:
>>
>>http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817
>>
>>He sells at Portland and other places around his area.
>>
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343
>>
>>Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 12:22:45 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:22:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
References: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512281222r436483a4n97546a3dfeae3cb4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tommy,
>
> Yep, Jon isn't the one selling the photos. I wasn't very clear in my note. I
> agree 100% that it is buyer beware. What he is doing though is not honest in
> my book.
>
> Luke Tonneberger

OK, let's look at the other side of the coin here a minute.

I was looking for a BYB, have been for some time, and I contact Chuck
Wendle before Portland to see what he could offer in the way of
overseas shipping on a volume. Turns out he was quoting carriage
included for the USA, but to ship a single volume over to the UK would
have been a fair bit extra, so much so that it started to look
uneconomic.

I asked a few engine guys over here if they would want to get together
with me and buy 10 books, pay bulk Media Mail shipping and sell the
spares to friends or whatever. With 6 or 7 of us that would have made
sense and the other spare volumes would have sold eventually.

In the death nothing happened. There were two or three that were all
for going for it, but we couldn't get enough to justify spending the
total, and as one of use would have had to stump up nearly $800 up
front, the sums didn't work.

Just before Xmas I saw the ebay ads and looked at the leather bound
presentation book, even put a bid on it but as expected it was too
expensive. I also look on Smokestak most days and followed the threads
on there.

Finally, I bought a mint 1983 embossed leatherette book from a book
dealer, he shipped it over before Xmas but it hasn't got here yet.

What I am trying to show here is that while we can all have a pop at
the guy who is selling the books on ebay, it is not that straight a
path for the guy in the street to get hold of one, and ebay has become
the source of choice for finding stuff that you cannot buy at the
corner shop.

If the guy has a "Buy it Now" price but ALSO a regular starting price
that is within the realms of reasonableness, then I can't see that we
have a lot to grumble about. Sure he is picking up a decent to large
profit if they go BIN, but nobody is forced to pay that if they don't
want to. I've just finished selling a load of Lister stuff on ebay
over Xmas, and the number of people who wanted me to finish early,
pull the auctions etc etc was crazy.

It's a fact of life now that ebay has created some twisted situations
that are not always ethically or morally correct, but we all
contributed to them being there.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 28 12:22:50 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:22:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>

Luke,
Have a question for you.
 From what I've seen of eBay the vast majority of stuff on there is new 
items. People buying new pillows, towels and craft stuff and reselling 
it to the highest bidder. The reasoning behind the ill feeling over 
Wendels book seem to be based on taking advantagous of "newbies".
But what is the difference between the buying and selling of the book 
vs. buying and selling of pillows and towels? I see no one suggesting 
that we contact the bidders of these pillows and towels to tell them 
where they can buy it for less.
This is an excellent example of capitalism at work. The bidders are 
apparently happy (or they wouldn't be bidding), the seller is happy, and 
when both parties are happy this is perfect capitalism.
Unless we are all prepared to sell our engines and literature for 
exactly what we paid for them, none of us should be complaining about 
the resale price of a book.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. I hope you sold your Rumley for a profit. I don't think you are 
dishonest for doing so either.

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>
> Yep, Jon isn't the one selling the photos. I wasn't very clear in my 
> note. I agree 100% that it is buyer beware. What he is doing though is 
> not honest in my book.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec 28 15:26:36 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:26:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old tire chains
In-Reply-To: <20051228.111903.856.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051228152350.01ba9ce0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Joe i don't know if i have a set in black. But you can take steel wool and 
clean them with lacquer thinner and spray any color you want. Have done it 
and they hold up very well.   Hit me off line
R Fink
PA



At 11:15 AM 12/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Rich,
>If the door panels are black - I'm interested.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>  \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
>  (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Dec 28 12:26:22 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:26:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] eBay Picture Auctions
In-Reply-To: <20051228185037.974.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160512271111y672f58afg56d85c5f4ff2a2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051228185037.974.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051228141033.02098c78@herculesengines.com>

I contacted the seller a few days ago asking for half the proceeds 
from the auctions or that he remove them immediately.  I received no 
response and he posted more items on E-bay from my web page.  So 
yesterday I contacted e-bay and below is the dialog from them.
Keith



To: <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
Subject: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety 
Department.  (KMM199114738V61295L0KM)
From: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp at ebay.com>

Hello,

Thank you for writing.

We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action may
include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
suspension or terminating the membership.

Thank you for being part of the eBay community.

Regards,

Jeran
eBay SafeHarbor
Investigations Team

Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Form Message %43301% 071398
D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]

User Feedback:  177
User State:  ?01

Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem you're
having with your seller isn't listed

Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192

Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit on
ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
Thank you.
Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.


Item number: 7576166889
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg

Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

Item number: 7576170687
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg


http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 28 13:07:16 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:07:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years EVE day crankup Kings Mtn. NC (2nd posting)
In-Reply-To: <43A71AC1.2040500@imc-group.com>
References: <43A71AC1.2040500@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43B2FE84.10705@imc-group.com>

Repeat posting for Saturday December 31st.

> Need an engine show fix?
>
> The 3rd annual New Years Crankup will be held on SATURDAY December 
> 31st. this year since New Years Day falls on a Sunday.
>
> This is being organized by Tommy Berry and will be held at his dad's 
> place same as before. Last two years have been great weather and we 
> are hoping for the same. If inclimate we'll find out who the REAL 
> engine and tractor guys are!
>
> Rather than retype all the info here is the link to our club 
> newsletter. The crankup info is the first item.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Newsletters/Jan06.pdf>
>
> There will be a fire ring for those with thin blood, lots of engines 
> and tractors, and lunch made by Tommy's parents. Bring a desert to 
> chip in if you like.
>
> Here are a few pictures from last year:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html> 
>
>
> Look forward to seeing you there.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC USA
> in sunny, cool, and pleasant NC
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec 28 13:21:42 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:21:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512281536451.22236@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

My I offer an opinion?  I think you're comparing apples and oranges in
your example below.  AFAIK, no one has complained about any eBay auctions
EXCEPT the new Wendel books being offered by one guy at triple Wendel's
price.  If you look at his other auctions, you'll see that he is a
prolific seller of old engine parts.  No one has made an issue of his
prices on anything else.

The thrust of the complaints has been that experienced engine
folks, GEM subscribers, etc. know what the book costs when ordered from
Wendel.  There is no way they'll spend $150 for the book.  Wendel has not
been offering it on eBay.  The "comparables" one might see on eBay have
all been (up to now) the older, more expensive, originals.

The Low Rent Bastard was taking advantage of the fact that the newbies
didn't know that they were available from Wendel.  To a great many engine
folks, that didn't seem like fair play.  They pointed out to the newbies
that they were being had.  The Low Rent Bastard was clever, and used the
Private Bidder dodge to get around that.  In return, engine folks are now
offering the books at Wendel's price.  At this point, the newbies will
have a clear and honest choice on eBay.  If they choose to spend $150
instead of $50, that's a legitimate choice and no one would mind.

So to use your "perfect capitalism" example of happy buyers & sellers, in
this case the buyer is happy only as a result of carefully cultivated
ignorance perpetuated by the seller.

You want an example of "perfect capitalism" with happy buyers & sellers,
consider the practices of many large stores.  They sell you an item.
Within the next 30 days if you find that item offered for sale at a lower
price somewhere else and you bring that proof into the store, they refund
the price difference.  That's "perfect capitalism" working with fully
informed buyers & sellers.

You might better compare Low Rent Bastard's behavior to the scam artists
who target the elderly because they are often easily confused & ill
informed and thus are an "easy mark."  It happens all the time.

The reality is that there are folks, new to the engine hobby, whose first
experience might have been to be ripped off for $100 on a new BYB.  Some
(perhaps including you) would say, "Tough titty, that's just good
business."  For my part, I call it shoddy greed at the expense of a
newbie.  The bottom line is the bloke made at least $600 profit in the
last 30 days.  For me, he's also CLEARLY established exactly what sort of
character he has.  And I've decided that I want nothing to do with him.

So much of what's important in this hobby is based on trust.  Knowing how
he works, would you trust him to give you an honest assessment of the
condition of an item he's selling?  Or is he more likely to conceal or
misrepresent an item?

There are a few other sellers out there who I regard in the same way.
They conceal defects and they misrepresent what they sell.  Knowing
that, I refuse to deal with them too.

The old adage is "Buyer beware."  And in the case of the guy selling
Wendle's books for $150, he's clearly announced what sort of person he
is.  Would YOU trust him in the future to deal with you honestly?  I
wouldn't.  But the loss of any future business from folks like me will
certainly be more than offset by folks like you who will actually prefer
to deal with this paragon of capitalistic virtue.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Curt wrote:

> Luke,
> Have a question for you.
>  From what I've seen of eBay the vast majority of stuff on there is new
> items. People buying new pillows, towels and craft stuff and reselling
> it to the highest bidder. The reasoning behind the ill feeling over
> Wendels book seem to be based on taking advantagous of "newbies".
> But what is the difference between the buying and selling of the book
> vs. buying and selling of pillows and towels? I see no one suggesting
> that we contact the bidders of these pillows and towels to tell them
> where they can buy it for less.
> This is an excellent example of capitalism at work. The bidders are
> apparently happy (or they wouldn't be bidding), the seller is happy, and
> when both parties are happy this is perfect capitalism.
> Unless we are all prepared to sell our engines and literature for
> exactly what we paid for them, none of us should be complaining about
> the resale price of a book.
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. I hope you sold your Rumley for a profit. I don't think you are
> dishonest for doing so either.



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 28 17:08:48 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B33720.1030808@earthlink.net>

> Hi Jeff,
>         Do you (or does anyone on the List) know if e-bay will do 
> anything about what (and how) this guy is selling/operating. Is he 
> actually doing anything that is against e-bay policy?
>         Dave

 

I'm not sure which LRB you refer to. The one selling the BYB is doing 
nothing illegal or against e-bays rules. I agree with Arnie on him.

The other LRB selling the photos apparently is doing something against 
e-bay policies. The auction I won was cancelled by e-bay after it ended.

>has been removed from eBay for violating eBay policy
>
Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 28 17:14:43 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:14:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Engine-related Xmas pressies
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512270832t35d1ea42t643389bc6083d908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160512270832t35d1ea42t643389bc6083d908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B33883.6000105@earthlink.net>

Hi Peter,

I got plans for a model engine made from bar stock, a book on miniature 
iginitions, and a workbench. All in all I did well.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/

Listerdiesel wrote: >snip<

>What did the other List folks get this year that was engine-related? 
>(self-bought pressies don't apply, Dave....)
>
>
>  
>



From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Wed Dec 28 19:55:01 2005
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:55:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B35E15.20309@zoominternet.net>

It seems to me, and I may be wrong here, that his buyers are happy, so 
far, with their transactions.  Isn't it the American way to get as the 
market will bear?  I would expect to see a less than 100% feedback if 
somebody were unhappy. 

I can understand the private ID auction as I had was once selling a 
product and somebody else emailed my high bidder to offer the same at a 
lower price.  Here I wrote and placed the add and paid the fees yet 
another will reap the benefits.

No, I am not the guy selling these items and, no I have not bid.

Ed


>  
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 29 03:03:09 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:03:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron
Message-ID: <000501c60c67$78457320$8483a33a@ogborneuah38i3>

Sorry to see no more updates on Harrolds Old Iron 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/harrold/
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec 29 07:02:44 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:02:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - leads on an aircraft engine?
In-Reply-To: <43B33720.1030808@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
	<43B33720.1030808@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1951.165.206.180.19.1135868564.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I have a friend who sent me the following:
----------------------
if you have friends that collect aircraft engines, do they know where I
could score a Packard Merlin?  I'd like to have one of those!
----------------------------

Any thoughts?


Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA!



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Thu Dec 29 07:56:57 2005
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
References: <122220051925.6626.43AAFDBD0009BE96000019E221587667209B04049A03@att.net>
	<006601c60755$22bdda80$0202a8c0@Dads>
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A566@email03.bsu.edu>

The 12the Annual Winter Tractor And Engine Show is coming in March 2006, at Auburn, IN at the Kruse Auction Park.  Info/contacts on the website
http://www.maumeevalley.org/winter_show2006.htm
 
This is near Ft. Wayne, IN
 
I was there in 2004 and as I recall everything was held indoors in some of the large buildings there at the Kruse Auction Park.
 
Usual disclaimer, no connection.
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN  USA 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Dickie
Sent: Thu 12/22/2005 7:09 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows



I think there is supposed to be one in Murray KY next month in the Expo
Center, not sure of the date though.

Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <mullt at att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows


> Arnie,
>
> I can certainly see why a show at a shopping mall wouldn't be much fun. I
> don't think the shoppers would be too interested in old engines. (gotta
> get to the shoe sale at the department store before all the good ones are
> gone, etc.)
>
> I was thinking more like a heated barn or something like that. There is an
> indoor horse riding building near me. Something like that would work.
>
> But I guess the cost to rent such a building would make it difficult to
> have a show that would not bring in much (if any) money.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:
>>
>> > Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
>> > unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
>> > building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
>> >
>> > Tom in St. Louis
>>
>> Too cold is just a state of mind.
>>
>> I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
>> of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
>> and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
>> as it could have been.
>>
>> I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
>> Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
>> hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.
>>
>> There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
>> the winter even in the snow.
>>
>> Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
>> bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then
>> Europe,
>> then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
>>
>> So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>> Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>> Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:21:35 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:21:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F678A2AFD4AF613C89D102C8290@phx.gbl>

Hi Curt,

It just seems to me that Jon is taking advantage of people not knowing it is 
available at a cheaper price. Doesn't matter if it is towels or pillows, 
newbies or oldbies. I see where your coming from though (perfect capitalism) 
and I have to agree. People buy product and sell it at a higher price all of 
the time. Which goes along with what Tommy said, "buyer beware". I also 
agree that we probably shouldn't be complaining about the resale of a book. 
I might have been wrong for pointing out who Jon is. I have met him before 
and seemed like a nice guy. I have also bought an engine from him off of 
Harry's and was satisfied with the deal. Yes, I did sell my Rumely at a 
profit, about two thousand dollars.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==================================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>Luke,
>Have a question for you.
>From what I've seen of eBay the vast majority of stuff on there is new 
>items. People buying new pillows, towels and craft stuff and reselling it 
>to the highest bidder. The reasoning behind the ill feeling over Wendels 
>book seem to be based on taking advantagous of "newbies".
>But what is the difference between the buying and selling of the book vs. 
>buying and selling of pillows and towels? I see no one suggesting that we 
>contact the bidders of these pillows and towels to tell them where they can 
>buy it for less.
>This is an excellent example of capitalism at work. The bidders are 
>apparently happy (or they wouldn't be bidding), the seller is happy, and 
>when both parties are happy this is perfect capitalism.
>Unless we are all prepared to sell our engines and literature for exactly 
>what we paid for them, none of us should be complaining about the resale 
>price of a book.
>Just my 2 cents worth.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>P.S. I hope you sold your Rumley for a profit. I don't think you are 
>dishonest for doing so either.




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec 29 08:23:51 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:23:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/
 Buckley show.
In-Reply-To: <dp0sc8+vlia@eGroups.com>
References: <dp0sc8+vlia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <43B40D97.5030607@imc-group.com>

Dave,
I am coping this over to the SEL as I am sure folks there would like to 
see these pictures too. Always heard good things about Buckley and the 
engine pictures you took sure confirm this!

Need some help ID'ing an engine:
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=c623.jpg&.src=ph>

and is this an Alamo blueline?
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=9900.jpg&.src=ph>

and is the tall vertical item on this Olds a muffler?
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=5d02.jpg&.src=ph>
Was this an original? Have never seen one.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave J wrote:

>I when to buckley eng show here a link to the picture.
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/album?.dir=9cf1&.src=ph&store>
>=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos.
> 
>  
>



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Dec 29 08:29:21 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:29:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>

As this is still classed as the festive season, I'd just like you to 
know that there are some folk around who are not low life, thieving 
scum!  I received this pleasant and unexpected email today:

******
Dear Helen,

I am an archaeologist giving a talk at a conference in Japan in 
January.  Your
website - http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/balloon.htm - has a lovely 
image of
medieval ridge and furrow.  As the taker of the image you hold the 
copyright. 
Would you mind if I copied this image to use in my talk?

Best wishes,
Don Henson

Education and Outreach Officer
Council for British Archaeology

***************

Would I have known if he'd simply taken the picture and used it?  Never 
in a million years! 
What did it cost him to ask?  A few minutes of his time to type the email.
Needless to say, my answer was yes, and not only that, I uploaded a 
selection of similar pictures, full resolution, to my website so that he 
had a choice.

I know this is slightly different, as he won't be making anything from 
using my photo, but all the same, it makes the world of difference to be 
ASKED instead of folk just TAKING.

There.  Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy now?

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:34:25 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:34:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512281536451.22236@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F374D097AD82640D7C93836C8290@phx.gbl>

Arnie,

After reading your post it sure makes me wish I paid better attention in my 
English classes in school. I always did great in math and science but always 
was borderline failing English. I typed up three different responses to Curt 
and ended up deleting them all. I tried to explain how I felt, but I just 
couldn't type what my brain was thinking. Especially in a way so others 
would comprehend what I'm trying to convey. Some on here can really 
write/type well.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

================

>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
>Hi Curt,
>
>My I offer an opinion?  I think you're comparing apples and oranges in
>your example below.  AFAIK, no one has complained about any eBay auctions
>EXCEPT the new Wendel books being offered by one guy at triple Wendel's
>price.  If you look at his other auctions, you'll see that he is a
>prolific seller of old engine parts.  No one has made an issue of his
>prices on anything else.
>
>The thrust of the complaints has been that experienced engine
>folks, GEM subscribers, etc. know what the book costs when ordered from
>Wendel.  There is no way they'll spend $150 for the book.  Wendel has not
>been offering it on eBay.  The "comparables" one might see on eBay have
>all been (up to now) the older, more expensive, originals.
>
>The Low Rent Bastard was taking advantage of the fact that the newbies
>didn't know that they were available from Wendel.  To a great many engine
>folks, that didn't seem like fair play.  They pointed out to the newbies
>that they were being had.  The Low Rent Bastard was clever, and used the
>Private Bidder dodge to get around that.  In return, engine folks are now
>offering the books at Wendel's price.  At this point, the newbies will
>have a clear and honest choice on eBay.  If they choose to spend $150
>instead of $50, that's a legitimate choice and no one would mind.
>
>So to use your "perfect capitalism" example of happy buyers & sellers, in
>this case the buyer is happy only as a result of carefully cultivated
>ignorance perpetuated by the seller.
>
>You want an example of "perfect capitalism" with happy buyers & sellers,
>consider the practices of many large stores.  They sell you an item.
>Within the next 30 days if you find that item offered for sale at a lower
>price somewhere else and you bring that proof into the store, they refund
>the price difference.  That's "perfect capitalism" working with fully
>informed buyers & sellers.
>
>You might better compare Low Rent Bastard's behavior to the scam artists
>who target the elderly because they are often easily confused & ill
>informed and thus are an "easy mark."  It happens all the time.
>
>The reality is that there are folks, new to the engine hobby, whose first
>experience might have been to be ripped off for $100 on a new BYB.  Some
>(perhaps including you) would say, "Tough titty, that's just good
>business."  For my part, I call it shoddy greed at the expense of a
>newbie.  The bottom line is the bloke made at least $600 profit in the
>last 30 days.  For me, he's also CLEARLY established exactly what sort of
>character he has.  And I've decided that I want nothing to do with him.
>
>So much of what's important in this hobby is based on trust.  Knowing how
>he works, would you trust him to give you an honest assessment of the
>condition of an item he's selling?  Or is he more likely to conceal or
>misrepresent an item?
>
>There are a few other sellers out there who I regard in the same way.
>They conceal defects and they misrepresent what they sell.  Knowing
>that, I refuse to deal with them too.
>
>The old adage is "Buyer beware."  And in the case of the guy selling
>Wendle's books for $150, he's clearly announced what sort of person he
>is.  Would YOU trust him in the future to deal with you honestly?  I
>wouldn't.  But the loss of any future business from folks like me will
>certainly be more than offset by folks like you who will actually prefer
>to deal with this paragon of capitalistic virtue.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 29 09:24:16 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:24:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/
	Buckley show.
In-Reply-To: <43B40D97.5030607@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <007301c60c9c$b3811310$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Need some help ID'ing an engine:
>
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&
.d
> nm=c623.jpg&.src=ph>


Domestic





From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Dec 29 09:33:30 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:33:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
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Ripping off people at 300% profit isnt anywhere near the spirit of what "the 
market will bear".  Its called "gouging" here in Texas. Like what happened 
during the Hurricanes..   High prices for water, gasoline etc.  Its taking 
advantage of people in distress or just plain ignorant of the con game-



Tom
Texas

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Tabor" <edward.tabor at zoominternet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard


> It seems to me, and I may be wrong here, that his buyers are happy, so 
> far, with their transactions.  Isn't it the American way to get as the 
> market will bear?  I would expect to see a less than 100% feedback if 
> somebody were unhappy.
> I can understand the private ID auction as I had was once selling a 
> product and somebody else emailed my high bidder to offer the same at a 
> lower price.  Here I wrote and placed the add and paid the fees yet 
> another will reap the benefits.
>
> No, I am not the guy selling these items and, no I have not bid.
>
> Ed
>
>
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From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 29 11:42:18 2005
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/
	Buckley show.
In-Reply-To: <43B40D97.5030607@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F7867270004AFB8F24CBAAC4290@phx.gbl>

Curt,

Indeed, the object on the OLDS is the muffler.  Next time you're by, remind 
me and I'll show you the ones I have for both the 1 1/2 hp and the 4 1/2 hp. 
  I also have an operators manual showing what stock plumbing items are to 
be used in seting them up.  Happy New Year.

Pete Stauffer


>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: HerculesEnginesGroup at yahoogroups.com,        SEL 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
><stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/ 
>Buckley show.
>Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:23:51 -0500
>
>Dave,
>I am coping this over to the SEL as I am sure folks there would like to see 
>these pictures too. Always heard good things about Buckley and the engine 
>pictures you took sure confirm this!
>
>Need some help ID'ing an engine:
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=c623.jpg&.src=ph>
>
>and is this an Alamo blueline?
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=9900.jpg&.src=ph>
>
>and is the tall vertical item on this Olds a muffler?
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=5d02.jpg&.src=ph>
>Was this an original? Have never seen one.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Dave J wrote:
>
>>I when to buckley eng show here a link to the picture.
>><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/album?.dir=9cf1&.src=ph&store>
>>=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos.
>>
>>
>>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 11:47:17 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:47:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <000601c60c9d$fc5d2780$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <20051229194717.55401.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>



Tom Dunlap <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:  Ripping off people at 300% profit isnt anywhere near the spirit of what "the 
market will bear".  Its called "gouging" here in Texas. Like what happened 
during the Hurricanes..   High prices for water, gasoline etc.  Its taking 
advantage of people in distress or just plain ignorant of the con game-



Tom
Texas

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Tabor" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard


> It seems to me, and I may be wrong here, that his buyers are happy, so 
> far, with their transactions.  Isn't it the American way to get as the 
> market will bear?  I would expect to see a less than 100% feedback if 
> somebody were unhappy.
> I can understand the private ID auction as I had was once selling a 
> product and somebody else emailed my high bidder to offer the same at a 
> lower price.  Here I wrote and placed the add and paid the fees yet 
> another will reap the benefits.
>
> No, I am not the guy selling these items and, no I have not bid.
>
> Ed
>
>
>>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Dec 29 12:40:44 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:40:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng
	shows/Buckley show.
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Message-ID: <00c001c60cb9$42c975a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

First one is a Jay Peters half size Domestic model.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Stauffer" 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Dec 28 16:39:41 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy>

Rick,

 What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that shows 
the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of the 
part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the 
passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I could 
possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:58 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Howdy all;
>
>  Fellow engine friend just sent me his mixer to use as a pattern.  (ain't 
> that great!!???):
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
>
>  Upon arrival I noticed that the big wet spot is a blob of brazing/welding 
> and covers up the p/n..aargh.
>
>  Here's a better picture of another mixer with my comments..apologize to 
> the gentleman that sent it to me as I lost your name:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/530440989kREuDu
>
>  I would like Rick to make me a re-cast, but don't want to disassemble the 
> choke assembly for fear of destroying something original i.e. "peaned 
> choke butterfly shaft ends.
>
>  It looks simple enough to turn on a lathe and with some 
> fabricating/welding would probably pass, but no way of getting the p/n on 
> it and also the long UNIQUE mounting bracket would be hard to fabricate 
> IMO. You can't see it as it's mounted on the back of the mixer.
>
>
>  Any suggestions on what to do in order to get a re-cast and not ruin his 
> iron?
>
>  'preciate it and thanks for looking,
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 14:08:33 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:08:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <f9fb3228269c5cf9259766bb73210add@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051229220833.5869.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

J.C. and others....
 No matter regarding the  IHC M.  Without repeating the entirety of a previous post, I was  helping a college professor who was guiding a bunch of unfortunate kids  through an investigation of alternative fuels.  I got them a JD  110 for the project (they have zero dough) and I was thinking that,  maybe, a stationary engine might add to their admirable efforts.
  Guess that is not in the cards, however.
  I still have the IHC M and looking for a buyer at this point in time.
  Thank you for your reply, however.
  JM

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Well, from my own viewpoint, (1) there's not much hope of greatly 
improving the efficiency of an IHC M, the compression ratio being the 
principle determinant of efficiency and the M's design and mode of 
operation not lending itself well to a great increase in compression, 
and (2) it's a collectible antique. I like to keep those original and 
not modify them in ways that aren't easily reversible. The engines and 
the major parts like carburetors and magnetos aren't made anymore, and 
modifications of them are going to "mess them up" in the eyes of future 
collectors.

I'd recommend trying to work on the efficiency of something like a 
modern Briggs & Stratton or Tecumseh go-kart engine. They're typical of 
small engines widely used in modern farm and garden equipment. You'll 
find a lot of information and helpful resources from the folks who race 
them. :-)

John

On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:39 PM, James Moran wrote:

> SEL Group-
>   A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through 
> the investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
>   I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  
> there is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  
> assure you) that there is no collective interest in this effort?
>   JM


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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 15:38:24 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:38:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051229220833.5869.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229220833.5869.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7528c45323bf3629634257b1f919af08@chartertn.net>

Alternative fuels is a different matter from improving efficiency. That 
M as it sits will run on a variety of liquid fuels. Most were designed 
to run on kerosene, which only cost about 40% as much as gasoline at 
the time and was widely available as it was used in lanterns and lamps. 
The carburetor of most will have a small bowl to fill with gasoline for 
starting. As it runs out, the engine's warmed up, and it's switched 
over to run on gasoline. Since kerosene is a VERY low octane fuel, they 
also had a separate jet and needle valve for admitting water from the 
engine's cooling jacket to suppress the knocking when the engine was 
running hard on kerosene. Good example of technological adaptation to 
economic circumstances. Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on 
kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced performance. That was a 
common setup in the early 20th century, though.

I'd propose that it'd be a good project for them to fix up that engine 
and get it running just as it was used back in the 1920s or so, and 
experiment with different fuels to see what it will run on. Or perhaps 
do some efficiency testing with it running on gasoline, kerosene, and 
maybe alcohol.

I just wouldn't irreversibly modify an antique, as I said.

John

On Dec 29, 2005, at 5:08 PM, James Moran wrote:

> J.C. and others....
>  No matter regarding the  IHC M.  Without repeating the entirety of a 
> previous post, I was  helping a college professor who was guiding a 
> bunch of unfortunate kids  through an investigation of alternative 
> fuels.  I got them a JD  110 for the project (they have zero dough) 
> and I was thinking that,  maybe, a stationary engine might add to 
> their admirable efforts.
>   Guess that is not in the cards, however.
>   I still have the IHC M and looking for a buyer at this point in time.
>   Thank you for your reply, however.
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 16:37:54 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:37:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <7528c45323bf3629634257b1f919af08@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>



John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Alternative fuels is a different matter from improving efficiency. That 
M as it sits will run on a variety of liquid fuels. Most were designed 
to run on kerosene, which only cost about 40% as much as gasoline at 
the time and was widely available as it was used in lanterns and lamps. 
The carburetor of most will have a small bowl to fill with gasoline for 
starting. As it runs out, the engine's warmed up, and it's switched 
over to run on gasoline. 
  **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?
  Since kerosene is a VERY low octane fuel, they 
also had a separate jet and needle valve for admitting water from the 
engine's cooling jacket to suppress the knocking when the engine was 
running hard on kerosene. Good example of technological adaptation to 
economic circumstances. Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on 
kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced performance. That was a 
common setup in the early 20th century, though.
  **  Yes...that McCormick Deering of mine that I have mentioned and  an old JD crawler (that I no longer have, dammit) were set up in the  same fashion.  Now, if I were to "run" an item such as that, I  would not bother with the "second tank" thing unless I was a true  fanatic, which I am not.

I'd propose that it'd be a good project for them to fix up that engine 
and get it running just as it was used back in the 1920s or so, and 
experiment with different fuels to see what it will run on. Or perhaps 
do some efficiency testing with it running on gasoline, kerosene, and 
maybe alcohol.
  ** As indicated, this professor was trying to do wonderful things on a  shoe string budget.  Thus, the very generous donation of the JD110  for their adventures.  Again...I was only thinking and, if it were  to be appropriate, to donate my IHC for their experiments.

I just wouldn't irreversibly modify an antique, as I said
  ** Noted.

John

On Dec 29, 2005, at 5:08 PM, James Moran wrote:

> J.C. and others....
>  No matter regarding the  IHC M.  Without repeating the entirety of a 
> previous post, I was  helping a college professor who was guiding a 
> bunch of unfortunate kids  through an investigation of alternative 
> fuels.  I got them a JD  110 for the project (they have zero dough) 
> and I was thinking that,  maybe, a stationary engine might add to 
> their admirable efforts.
>   Guess that is not in the cards, however.
>   I still have the IHC M and looking for a buyer at this point in time.
>   Thank you for your reply, however.
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 17:41:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:41:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>

>   **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?

Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate" 
certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier 
distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel 
fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.

There were a number of carbureted engines designed to run on heavy 
distillates, but they commonly employed additional measures to handle 
them, like exhaust-heated intake air. Engines designed for the heavier 
distillates were often generically termed "Oil Engines," of which the 
Diesels are a subclass.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 18:03:02 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:03:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43B49556.1060909@earthlink.net>

Hi Helen,

Thanks for that. I have had several folks ask permission to use my 
photos. I always grant it for personal use, especially if they want to 
print one for their wall. Many have thanked me for the Maytag rebuild 
article I have on my site. They printed it and used it to do a 
restoration. Makes my heart sing when I can help an engine mate.

Cheers,

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
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Jim French wrote:

> As this is still classed as the festive season, I'd just like you to 
> know that there are some folk around who are not low life, thieving 
> scum!  I received this pleasant and unexpected email today:
>
> ******
> Dear Helen,
>
> I am an archaeologist giving a talk at a conference in Japan in 
> January.  Your
> website - http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/balloon.htm - has a lovely 
> image of
> medieval ridge and furrow.  As the taker of the image you hold the 
> copyright. Would you mind if I copied this image to use in my talk?
>
> Best wishes,
> Don Henson
>
> Education and Outreach Officer
> Council for British Archaeology
>
> ***************
>
> Would I have known if he'd simply taken the picture and used it?  
> Never in a million years! What did it cost him to ask?  A few minutes 
> of his time to type the email.
> Needless to say, my answer was yes, and not only that, I uploaded a 
> selection of similar pictures, full resolution, to my website so that 
> he had a choice.
>
> I know this is slightly different, as he won't be making anything from 
> using my photo, but all the same, it makes the world of difference to 
> be ASKED instead of folk just TAKING.
>
> There.  Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy now?
>
> Dolly
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 18:37:10 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:37:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hmmm....
 Generally "dual fuel" machinery is  designed to "start" on (then expensive) gasoline and then be  transferred to operation by a (then) less expensive fuel source for  long-term use.  I guess we agree that the "then" -vs- "now" factor  throws a monkey wrench into the mix.  Why bother to argue the  point, after all?  It is meaningless now.
  
 JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just  better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?
  
  Jm

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  >   **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?

Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate" 
certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier 
distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel 
fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.

There were a number of carbureted engines designed to run on heavy 
distillates, but they commonly employed additional measures to handle 
them, like exhaust-heated intake air. Engines designed for the heavier 
distillates were often generically termed "Oil Engines," of which the 
Diesels are a subclass.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Dec 29 18:54:57 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:54:57 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron
Message-ID: <20051229.185547.17408.259135@webmail45.lax.untd.com>

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 29 18:51:39 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:51:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
Message-ID: <20051229.215745.1168.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Well Luke - 

Whether you can talk good ( or spell) doesn't matter.

Just put it in your own words.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 29 19:15:02 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:15:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051229221400.0251a2b8@mail.alltel.net>


>  Seriously...what do you  feel?
>   Jm

Hi Jim, I feel with my hands--with what do you feel?
         Dave



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Thu Dec 29 19:17:26 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:17:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <003501c60cef$9ef4d3c0$cfb3123f@oemcomputer>

Last August a friend of mine ran an IHC 1 1/2 HP M engine on moonshine at a
show.  The fuel was about 180 proof ethyl alcohol made from apples.  A taste
of that tingled for a while.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 19:21:29 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <20051229.215745.1168.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20051229.215745.1168.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <43B4A7B9.6070708@earthlink.net>

Hells bell, I do, and life goes on. I can relate to Luke though. Riting 
has never been my forte. I hear beer calling. Bye!

Jeff

Jeff Allen
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jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>Well Luke - 
>
>Whether you can talk good ( or spell) doesn't matter.
>
>Just put it in your own words.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 19:32:11 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:32:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Had to do it!!
Message-ID: <43B4AA3B.4040903@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Fight fire with fire. Insanity is part of this hobby. Already one 
response. :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:31&item=7577099516

Jeff

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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 29 19:31:30 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:31:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <7528c45323bf3629634257b1f919af08@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on 
> kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced
performance. 

Not worth the trouble, John?  Oh my!  Some might say that
running old engines isn't worth the trouble when you can get
a brand new Honda motor that has five times the horsepower
at 1/20 the weight.  In my opinion, running an engine on her
intended fuel is a glorious thing.  Yep.  Downright
wonderful.

Now what's all this about "reduced performance?"  Just
curious.

Rob




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 19:41:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:41:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c52751ed7979e941a0a0e2f14340fb46@chartertn.net>

On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:37 PM, James Moran wrote:

> Hmmm....
>  Generally "dual fuel" machinery is  designed to "start" on (then 
> expensive) gasoline and then be  transferred to operation by a (then) 
> less expensive fuel source for  long-term use.

Which is what I said was done.

> I guess we agree that the "then" -vs- "now" factor  throws a monkey 
> wrench into the mix.  Why bother to argue the  point, after all?  It 
> is meaningless now.

Who's arguing?

>  JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) 
> to it, I could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a 
> fifty mile radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise 
> or is it just  better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  
> Seriously...what do you  feel?

I think anyone on the List would heartily agree that it'd be most 
worthwhile! :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 19:50:20 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:50:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <af9c86fb814ea3afae9b579c0394e136@chartertn.net>

Oh, I run mine on kerosene, and even replumbed the water line as it 
originally was. It's not worthwhile for the reasons you stated, but 
it's great fun to do it the old way.

Any knocking beyond a slight rattle reduces engine power and efficiency 
considerably, and the kerosene burns more slowly because it's only 
partially vaporized in the M at ignition. It runs hotter, the exhaust 
"barks" more loudly, and it blows more fire out the exhaust. When you 
have to run the water injection to stop knocking, it further slows fuel 
evaporation and combustion and absorbs heat as it vaporizes. 
Compensating for these effects is doubtless why IHC set the ignitor M 
up with a fixed ignition timing 45? BTDC, which is certainly an 
inefficient setting for normal running under load on gasoline at 600 
RPM.

John

On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

>> Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on
>> kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced
> performance.
>
> Not worth the trouble, John?  Oh my!  Some might say that
> running old engines isn't worth the trouble when you can get
> a brand new Honda motor that has five times the horsepower
> at 1/20 the weight.  In my opinion, running an engine on her
> intended fuel is a glorious thing.  Yep.  Downright
> wonderful.
>
> Now what's all this about "reduced performance?"  Just
> curious.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Thu Dec 29 20:06:44 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:06:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

This isinteresting. I run my old "M" on kerosene or lamp oil  all the time. 
I like the smell of it.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


> Hmmm....
> Generally "dual fuel" machinery is  designed to "start" on (then 
> expensive) gasoline and then be  transferred to operation by a (then) less 
> expensive fuel source for  long-term use.  I guess we agree that the 
> "then" -vs- "now" factor  throws a monkey wrench into the mix.  Why bother 
> to argue the  point, after all?  It is meaningless now.
>
> JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, 
> I could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile 
> radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?
>
>  Jm
>
> John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  >   **   I assume that you 
> meant to say kero or distillate, no?
>
> Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate"
> certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier
> distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel
> fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.
>
> There were a number of carbureted engines designed to run on heavy
> distillates, but they commonly employed additional measures to handle
> them, like exhaust-heated intake air. Engines designed for the heavier
> distillates were often generically termed "Oil Engines," of which the
> Diesels are a subclass.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 20:18:56 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:18:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Had to do it!!
Message-ID: <410-220051253041856890@earthlink.net>

Shall we start a chart with guesses to when this one gets pulled?  You
could pick a time and date and put in a buck for each guess.  The winner
could get the satisfaction of knowing he or she got the right time and the
money could be given to the chairty auction.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
> To: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; The SEL email
discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/29/2005 9:34:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Had to do it!!
>
> Hi all,
>
> Fight fire with fire. Insanity is part of this hobby. Already one 
> response. :-)
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:31&it
em=7577099516
>
> Jeff
>
> -- 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 29 20:49:14 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:49:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135918154.43b4bc4ab823b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

A provocative statement fer sure.  Is this "unearthing" as in a bunch of old
iron buried and rusting away?  Or is it a dump site for modern aluminum Briggs
& Strattons?

Is it one or more of the collectors who started in the hobby in the 50's and
60's (when you could buy a running IHC "M" or Hercules or other for $25) and
who now has a barn full of hundreds of engines?  In this case, those engines
will most likely enter "circulation" at an auction when the old gent pops his
clogs and the widow dumps the horde.

Talk to us Jim.  We need more info before we can get breathless and excited.

Quoting James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>:

> JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I
> could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile
> radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 29 20:57:38 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:57:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Skip,

Before he sold it, we ran Dave Rotigel's 12 hp T/G Hercules on kero.  That
engine was DEFINITELY happier running on kero than running on gas.  It ran
steadier, generally firing every 4-stroke cycle and had a softer, more mellow
exhaust note.  On gas she'd often fire every other 4-stroke cycle and had a
much sharper bark.

I've also always run my 5 hp Petter "M" on kero.  It only tastes a bowlful of
gas at startup.  And you're right; burning kero adds a lovely smell to the show
grounds.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Skip Cleveland <OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com>:

> This isinteresting. I run my old "M" on kerosene or lamp oil  all the time. 
> I like the smell of it.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 30 02:07:02 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:07:02 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com><00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002801c60d28$c8bb5150$064d1152@no1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


Snip
> I've also always run my 5 hp Petter "M" on kero.  It only tastes a bowlful of
> gas at startup.  And you're right; burning kero adds a lovely smell to the show
> grounds.  8-))
> See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie, I am glad you explained that. I got so worried when someone told me 
you had been Spotted doing something dirty in a field. 8^)
(Petter Spots for the un-initiated)

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 02:34:57 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:34:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
Message-ID: <003b01c60d2c$b2196a50$ce2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>

Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and sundry that the topic is
going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about bloody e-bay, what Jeff
Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I can delete and I do with
such regularity.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 02:37:42 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:37:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron
References: <20051229.185547.17408.259135@webmail45.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <004901c60d2d$13c45080$ce2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>

Good idea Joe ...will do so immediately. It is such a good site and just 
about covers everything to do with our hobby.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron


> Let's all send Christine an email telling her that we really appreciate 
> the site (like I just did) Maybe she can give it a little time 
> occasionally. Joe
>
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From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 30 03:16:48 2005
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:16:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
Message-ID: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

G'day, 
I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model D has 3.5" hole centres on the throttle body. Can anyone point me to a source of technical information, please?

Ian Browning
Arcadia, NSW, Australia

From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 03:28:12 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:28:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
In-Reply-To: <003b01c60d2c$b2196a50$ce2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051230112812.25377.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fair Suck Of The Sav Peter

You got heat stroke or something?
surely you remember your topic that started another
war with the Yanks about your visit to the scrap yard.
I checked, you must have forgot to put OT in the
original Subject
but we all make mistakes.

having fun again

Kerry
All the best my friend 8-))




--- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

> Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and
> sundry that the topic is
> going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about
> bloody e-bay, what Jeff
> Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I
> can delete and I do with
> such regularity.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 03:49:16 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:49:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
In-Reply-To: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20051230114916.41505.qmail@web35402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'day Ian
I did a quick search on Goggle

found a few sites 
try
www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/carburetor/scheblerD.html
they may be a place to talk to for further info

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz


--- Ian Browning <isandian at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> G'day, 
> I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model
> D has 3.5" hole centres on the throttle body. Can
> anyone point me to a source of technical
> information, please?
> 
> Ian Browning
> Arcadia, NSW, Australia
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 04:17:13 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:17:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
References: <20051230112812.25377.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c60d3a$fac50d00$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes you are correct Kerry maybe it is heat stroke but then again it is not 
hot here.....but I am sick of hearing about E-Bay
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] innane topic.....OT


> Fair Suck Of The Sav Peter
>
> You got heat stroke or something?
> surely you remember your topic that started another
> war with the Yanks about your visit to the scrap yard.
> I checked, you must have forgot to put OT in the
> original Subject
> but we all make mistakes.
>
> having fun again
>
> Kerry
> All the best my friend 8-))
>
>
>
>
> --- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and
>> sundry that the topic is
>> going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about
>> bloody e-bay, what Jeff
>> Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I
>> can delete and I do with
>> such regularity.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 04:29:08 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:29:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
References: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <000701c60d3c$a4e0c2b0$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Ian ...it is a bit dark at the moment, otherwise I would go to the shed and 
check for you. Meanwhile have a look at
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/carburetor/scheblerD.html
My guess is that your model D would be the 20mm or 3/4 carb . If you still 
want the info I will check it out tomorrow for you
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Browning" <isandian at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor


> G'day,
> I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model D has 3.5" hole 
> centres on the throttle body. Can anyone point me to a source of technical 
> information, please?
>
> Ian Browning
> Arcadia, NSW, Australia
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 30 04:52:52 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:52:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
In-Reply-To: <001401c60d3a$fac50d00$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051230112812.25377.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<001401c60d3a$fac50d00$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4584.165.206.180.19.1135947172.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

But ebait is an integral part of how some of our toys are now bought or
sold or otherwise acquired. It's good to know what's happening, just like
I would want to know if a list member attempted to buy IN PERSON from
someone and got ripped off and they then found this seller had a habit of
ripping people off. Or they had found out a person on Harry's site, or in
GEM was ripping people off - we'd want to know.

EBAIT is simply the medium, it's still a transaction just like you tell of
buying or selling from a neighbor during a visit to their garage or
someone tells of a purchase gone sour through GEM or whatever.

I hope the tonic in your new years drink is better than what must've been
in your Christmas cheer.  ;-)


Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA

> Yes you are correct Kerry maybe it is heat stroke but then again it is not
> hot here.....but I am sick of hearing about E-Bay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
>
>
>> Fair Suck Of The Sav Peter
>>
>> You got heat stroke or something?
>> surely you remember your topic that started another
>> war with the Yanks about your visit to the scrap yard.
>> I checked, you must have forgot to put OT in the
>> original Subject
>> but we all make mistakes.
>>
>> having fun again
>>
>> Kerry
>> All the best my friend 8-))
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and
>>> sundry that the topic is
>>> going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about
>>> bloody e-bay, what Jeff
>>> Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I
>>> can delete and I do with
>>> such regularity.
>>> Peter Ogborne
>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>> West Australia
>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 06:02:10 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:02:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <1135918154.43b4bc4ab823b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

AF-
 To your first point...if these things are  to be found, I would guess that they would be more inclined to be  "buried and rusting away".  After all, that is how I came across  the IHC M.  No "dump sites" as you term it.
 This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to  agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and the farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of the land along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course, is hardly unique to my area.
 In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down some particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside of such out  structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's etc., some  Olivers and Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,  such arrangements would also yield some engines that have been  relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years ago but never  discarded.  The folks up this way were largely products of the  depression and the mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
 Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it" (if anyone ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and ask the right questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.   As I wrote, tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.  Does it follow the h-'n-m  would as well?  
  Just thinking.
  JM

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Jim,

A provocative statement fer sure.  Is this "unearthing" as in a bunch of old
iron buried and rusting away?  Or is it a dump site for modern aluminum Briggs
& Strattons?

Is it one or more of the collectors who started in the hobby in the 50's and
60's (when you could buy a running IHC "M" or Hercules or other for $25) and
who now has a barn full of hundreds of engines?  In this case, those engines
will most likely enter "circulation" at an auction when the old gent pops his
clogs and the widow dumps the horde.

Talk to us Jim.  We need more info before we can get breathless and excited.

Quoting James Moran :

> JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I
> could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile
> radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
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From mullt at att.net  Fri Dec 30 06:22:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:22:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
Message-ID: <123020051422.19221.43B542A0000CA71500004B1521604666489B04049A03@att.net>

Jim,

Why do you think an add in the classifieds of a newspaper that servers such an area would not work?

I saw such an add in a paper some time ago, but I don't know what kind of responses he got. I only saw it once.  I have put adds in papers looking for antiques in the past and gotten a few worthwhile responses. You could spend a lot of money on adds before you spend as much as you would driving around knocking on doors.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> AF-
>  To your first point...if these things are  to be found, I would guess that they 
> would be more inclined to be  "buried and rusting away".  After all, that is how 
> I came across  the IHC M.  No "dump sites" as you term it.
>  This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to  
> agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and the 
> farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of the land 
> along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course, is hardly unique 
> to my area.
>  In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down some 
> particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside of such out  
> structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's etc., some  Olivers and 
> Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,  such arrangements would also 
> yield some engines that have been  relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years 
> ago but never  discarded.  The folks up this way were largely products of the  
> depression and the mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
>  Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it" (if anyone 
> ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and ask the right 
> questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.   As I wrote, 
> tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.  Does it follow the 
> h-'n-m  would as well?  
>   Just thinking.
>   JM
> 
> fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Jim,
> 
> A provocative statement fer sure.  Is this "unearthing" as in a bunch of old
> iron buried and rusting away?  Or is it a dump site for modern aluminum Briggs
> & Strattons?
> 
> Is it one or more of the collectors who started in the hobby in the 50's and
> 60's (when you could buy a running IHC "M" or Hercules or other for $25) and
> who now has a barn full of hundreds of engines?  In this case, those engines
> will most likely enter "circulation" at an auction when the old gent pops his
> clogs and the widow dumps the horde.
> 
> Talk to us Jim.  We need more info before we can get breathless and excited.
> 
> Quoting James Moran :
> 
> > JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I
> > could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile
> > radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> > better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 30 06:24:04 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:24:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

Your basic reasoning is sound; hence the use of the expression "barn
fresh" in some folk's engine ads.  Sadly, you're more likely to find old
agricultural impliments, dead tractors, and newer engines than old
engines.  I think one of the reasons for this was the intense scrap iron
drives that were conducted during WWII.  These same depression era folks
who never threw anything away, were also very patriotic and went into
their barns and outbuildings and dragged those old engines out for the
scrappie.  Somewhere I saw a WWII era photo of railroad cars full of scrap
iron and you could see spoked flywheels everywhere.  Tt was enough to
break your heart.  OTOH, we're still speaking English.  8-))

However, having said that, many rural areas of New England are still
treasure troves for old engines.  Charlie Bryant had a network of
"finders" who would locate engines in the backwoods of Maine and
elsewhere.  Charlie would make twice-yearly road trips from Missouri to
buy these engines.  Enough engines to make the trip worthwhile.

A good friend, Matt Picaro, used to drive the back roads as much as
possible "looking for flywheels" in the hedgerows.  He would also watch
for "Farm for Sale" signs.  He'd stop and ask if he could check out the
condition of the barn and outbuildings; but would actually be looking for
engines.  He would also look for fallen-down outbuildings as these were
often the pump houses over disused wells.  Find an engine AND a nice pump
to go with it.

Dave Rotigel got his first two engines via a want ad in the local weekly
rag.

Other good stratagies include putting an engine in the bed of your pickup
and parking on the street at the center of one of these small, rural
towns.  Get up in the bed and start working on the engine, running it from
time to time.  Lots of folks will stop to look and chat.  You'd be
surprised how often, someone will say "I've got one of these old things in
the barn, would you be interested?"

The other thing to do is to include a sign that sez something like "I buy
engines" to display with your engines at local shows.  The small local
shows, Ag fairs, etc. are the best for the engine hunter.  Lots of folks
attending are "tourists" not engine folks.  They will often tell you
that they know where an engine "just like that one there" is located.  It
doesn't matter if yours is common as mud or is ultra rare.  The tourist
sees spoked flywheels and a heavy chunk of iron and remembers seeing
something similar.  The "treasure" could end up being anything from a
stuck, stripped, broken, and worn out Fairbanks Morse to a rare engine in
mint condition.

The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
can be as much fun as the find.

Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.

Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?

One of the wildest I ever heard of was a buddy of Craig Prucha who would
go up in an ultralight in the dead of winter flying over the woods looking
for oilfield engines and power houses.  He found quite a few that way.
Don't forget to visit those backwoods country bars and buy rounds of
drinks.  Those hunters may have seen flywheels while tracking deer.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

> This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to
> agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and
> the farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of
> the land along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course,
> is hardly unique to my area.
>
> In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down
> some particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside
> of such out  structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's
> etc., some  Olivers and Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,
> such arrangements would also yield some engines that have been
> relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years ago but never  discarded.
>
> The folks up this way were largely products of the  depression and the
> mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
> Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it"
> (if anyone ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and
> ask the right questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.
> As I wrote, tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.
> Does it follow the h-'n-m  would as well?


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 30 07:02:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:02:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20051230.100951.1392.7.jlb94@juno.com>

I run my 1926 Witte "K"  2.5 hp on Kerosene all the time.

Seems to run smoother on Kero than on Gas.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 30 06:47:24 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:47:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20051230.100951.1392.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Seriously...what do you  feel?
=        =        =        =        =        
Hi Jim,

I seriously feel that - If you could unearth 2 or 3 (not hundreds)
engines,
it would be well worth your time & effort.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 30 08:01:36 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Hot bulb/hot tube
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051230132144.00a76590@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <011201c60d5a$519eb0d0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Also - Does the description "Hot bulb" or "Hot tube" 
> mean the same thing or are they different animals.

Hi Jerry,
They are both methods of "surface ignition," whereby the
fuel/air charge is ignited by contact with a surface of
sufficient temperature to initiate combustion. 

The specific details are a grey area, as each manufacturer
injected their own nuances into the designs.  Generally, the
differences are well defined, but perhaps someone will
supply examples of engines that defy categorization.

In a hot tube engine, the fuel/air mixture does not come
into contact with the hot surface before the point of
ignition.  As the mixture is compressed, it is compressed
into the hollow tube that is closed at one end.  When the
mixture reaches critical temperature, it ignites, the flame
travels up the tube, and BANG.

"Hot bulb" seems to be a nouveau term that was not used by
the classical engine developers.  "Vaporizer" was used by
the old-timers and it is a more descriptive term.  The
vaporizer serves the dual purpose of aiding the vaporization
of fuel AND the ignition of the fuel.  

Neither of these terms should be confused with what is now
called a "semi-Diesel" -- an engine with compression lower
than that of a Diesel which requires pre-heating of the head
to supplement the heat of compression to initiate
combustion.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 







From oldengin at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 08:41:07 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:41:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>

John Culp wrote:

>>   **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?
>
>
> Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate" 
> certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier 
> distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel 
> fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.
>
John, I ran a six "M" on diesel and have witnesses!  She ran well and 
sure did smoke a bunch, we also ran on kero and then ran on 100% 
achohol. The key was she was already boiling when we switched her over 
to the diesel.

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 30 09:02:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:02:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
	<01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV45998C277CAE5EA4C5268BB280@phx.gbl>

Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more pictures of 
the mounting bracket.

  Question please to all the New Way owners:

 Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm going to 
call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the side? 
Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of the 
mixer?

  I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned 
straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the air 
rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low pressure 
area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create the 
"venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well enuf fer now.
Thanks
RickinMt.
PS:  Are there any decals available?



> Rick,
>
>  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that shows
> the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of the
> part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I 
> could
> possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> Fax 330-759-1524
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 09:15:51 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:15:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230.100951.1392.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20051230171551.46081.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

OK-
  Perhaps "hundreds" was a bit hyperbolic.  Then, again, the  majority of the area in upstate New York (other than  Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/Binghamton) is fairly rural in  nature.  Many people in other parts of the country hear "New York"  and they think of 3rd and 42nd ;-).
  Maybe I'll take a shot at this by picking out some particular county  road and take "pot luck" at a likely looking house/barn or two.
  Again, I could be totally off base and find nothing at all.  As  indicated, my "clue" is all of the tractors that I see laying around.
  Who knows?
  JM

jlb94 at juno.com wrote:  Seriously...what do you  feel?
=        =        =        =        =        
Hi Jim,

I seriously feel that - If you could unearth 2 or 3 (not hundreds)
engines,
it would be well worth your time & effort.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 09:22:17 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:22:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines(Or at least one at
	a time!)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230120745.0253b438@mail.alltel.net>


>Dave Rotigel got his first two engines via a want ad in the local weekly
>rag.
>The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
>can be as much fun as the find.
>Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.
>Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?
>See ya,  Arnie

All good suggestions Arnie! I would add one more--tell everyone that you 
know/meet that you buy and collect stationary engines. Showing them a 
picture of one helps since many won't know whet the hell you are talking 
about! Then after a while people will start to call you with leads. Only 
last week a friend who owns a local watering hole told me of an engine ai a 
stotr about 20 miles from me. i went to have a look and in the back room of 
the store was a 2 1/2 HP Hercules built engine w/a newly rebuilt Webster 
magneto and ignitor. (Granted the mag and ignitor were rebuilt 25 years 
ago, but they were in the box sent by the rebuilder (a guy who still 
advertises in GEM) and had never been put on the engine. The store owners 
father had purchased the engine, sent the mag/ignitor out to have it 
rebuilt and then turned room temperature before he put the mag/ignitor back 
on the engine. The guy who owns the engine now said he has no interest in 
it and would "like to get $700.00 for it." Next week when I return from FL 
I'll take five 100 dollar bills to him and probably come home with the 
engine! Time will tell on this engine, but it's not the first time that a 
friend has called to my attention an engine that is (or may be) available!
         Dave
PS, The problem with a 2 1/2 Hercules built engine is that it's a bastard 
size--too big for skids and too small for a dedicated trailer! 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 30 09:14:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512301210580.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hiya Leroy,

Didn't you also try paint thinner successfully?  That was a fun afternoon
of "experiments."  Folks coming up with cans in hand saying, "Let's try
THIS."  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Leroy drew the line at trying Genny Cream Ale.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Leroy wrote:

> John, I ran a six "M" on diesel and have witnesses!  She ran well and
> sure did smoke a bunch, we also ran on kero and then ran on 100%
> achohol. The key was she was already boiling when we switched her over
> to the diesel.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 09:58:58 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:58:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers/now Fuel
In-Reply-To: <43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>


>John, I ran a six "M" on diesel and have witnesses!  She ran well and sure 
>did smoke a bunch, we also ran on kero and then ran on 100% achohol. The 
>key was she was already boiling when we switched her over to the diesel.
>  C-ya
>         Leroy Clark

Ypu and i was there! As a matter of fact it was I who supplied the diesel 
if I recall correctly. I bought a 5 gal plastic gas can for $1.50 at the 
flea market at the Findlay show. There were about 2 gal's. of diesel in the 
can (that's back when diesel was only $1.50 per gal.--but still a good 
deal.) Anyway Leroy poured the diesel into his "M" and it ran just fine for 
the rest of the show. Such is life in the "low rent district!"
         Dave
PS, What Leroy has not told anyone to this day is that he eventually tried 
to run the M on Old Mill. THAT didn't work so well! 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 30 10:07:26 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:07:26 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <004401c60d6b$e5508900$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines


Very very big Snip

> The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
> can be as much fun as the find.
> Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.
> Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?
> One of the wildest I ever heard of was a buddy of Craig Prucha who would
> go up in an ultralight in the dead of winter flying over the woods looking
> for oilfield engines and power houses.  He found quite a few that way.
> Don't forget to visit those backwoods country bars and buy rounds of
> drinks.  Those hunters may have seen flywheels while tracking deer.  8-))
> See ya,  Arnie

25 years ago there were still engines to be found on farms in England  & I covered many 
miles searching to find the many engines I owned over the years.
The hardest thing in the early days was when I offered a good price to a farmer he would never sell.
After a while I cottoned on and started offering 1/3 or 1/2 of the value of the engine.
Farmers do not believe that an offered price is the correct price.
I started upping my offers in stages & arguing & eventually I usually bought the engine for less than what 
I would have offered in the early days. The farmer was happy he had knocked the price up!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 30 10:22:34 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:22:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F404367CD228B905CA3CC68C8280@phx.gbl>

Right on Rob. An engine running on kero has a lovely exhaust smell too!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>
> > Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on
> > kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced
> > performance.
>
>Not worth the trouble, John? In my opinion, running an engine on her
>intended fuel is a glorious thing.  Yep.  Downright
>wonderful.
>
>Rob
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec 30 10:37:39 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:37:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers/now Fuel
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>
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Dave Rotigel wrote:

>         Dave
> PS, What Leroy has not told anyone to this day is that he eventually 
> tried to run the M on Old Mill. THAT didn't work so well!

Just goes to prove that IHC M's have better taste than you Dave :-)
Couldn't resist....
Curt Holland



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 30 10:45:39 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:45:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230171551.46081.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230171551.46081.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512301339310.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

> Perhaps "hundreds" was a bit hyperbolic.  Then, again, the  majority
> of the area in upstate New York (other than
> Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/Binghamton) is fairly rural in
> nature.

> Maybe I'll take a shot at this by picking out some particular county
> road and take "pot luck" at a likely looking house/barn or two.

Just keep one thing in mind...  Better ask before you go prowling around
the barns and sheds.  And occasionally, when you go up to the door of a
house in the country where you're not expected, you might just be looking
down a large bore barrel.  Be polite, friendly, and keep your hands where
they can be seen.  And if the answer is no, thank the folks, and leave
quietly.

See ya,  Arnie


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 11:17:58 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:17:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512301339310.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051230191758.50169.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

AF-
  Of course.  I was not thinking along the lines of breaking and  entering :-)  My wife's family has an 8 generation in these parts  and, maybe, that can be used to an advantage in some way.  Again,  we'll see.  Anyway, I am not planning on getting shot over an old  engine.
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

> Perhaps "hundreds" was a bit hyperbolic.  Then, again, the  majority
> of the area in upstate New York (other than
> Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/Binghamton) is fairly rural in
> nature.

> Maybe I'll take a shot at this by picking out some particular county
> road and take "pot luck" at a likely looking house/barn or two.

Just keep one thing in mind...  Better ask before you go prowling around
the barns and sheds.  And occasionally, when you go up to the door of a
house in the country where you're not expected, you might just be looking
down a large bore barrel.  Be polite, friendly, and keep your hands where
they can be seen.  And if the answer is no, thank the folks, and leave
quietly.

See ya,  Arnie
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 12:55:05 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:55:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink's website modifications
Message-ID: <6f6025160512301255x235c85a8t46f5431ed4ede6cd@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick note to confirm that John's website has been modified to
take out his home email link, and a note has been put on the front
page to record John's passing in late 2005.

If anyone has any problems with the site after these mod's, please
give me a shout.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 13:20:20 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051230212021.13922.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Sometimes you folks mention pumps in terms of the  engines being used to power them.  One of the things on the  property that might be of interest is the pump that was powered by the  McCormick Deering 10-20.  It is of pretty fair size and  weight...it is secured to a poured concrete block that is (maybe) three  feet off of ground level.  I would judge that the output pipe is  2+" in diameter.  The "wheels still turn".  Wondering if this  pumping system could be powered by a stationary engine (can't see why  not).  Again, this pump (like the tractor) was sheltered all these  years.  Any interest or comments?
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

Your basic reasoning is sound; hence the use of the expression "barn
fresh" in some folk's engine ads.  Sadly, you're more likely to find old
agricultural impliments, dead tractors, and newer engines than old
engines.  I think one of the reasons for this was the intense scrap iron
drives that were conducted during WWII.  These same depression era folks
who never threw anything away, were also very patriotic and went into
their barns and outbuildings and dragged those old engines out for the
scrappie.  Somewhere I saw a WWII era photo of railroad cars full of scrap
iron and you could see spoked flywheels everywhere.  Tt was enough to
break your heart.  OTOH, we're still speaking English.  8-))

However, having said that, many rural areas of New England are still
treasure troves for old engines.  Charlie Bryant had a network of
"finders" who would locate engines in the backwoods of Maine and
elsewhere.  Charlie would make twice-yearly road trips from Missouri to
buy these engines.  Enough engines to make the trip worthwhile.

A good friend, Matt Picaro, used to drive the back roads as much as
possible "looking for flywheels" in the hedgerows.  He would also watch
for "Farm for Sale" signs.  He'd stop and ask if he could check out the
condition of the barn and outbuildings; but would actually be looking for
engines.  He would also look for fallen-down outbuildings as these were
often the pump houses over disused wells.  Find an engine AND a nice pump
to go with it.

Dave Rotigel got his first two engines via a want ad in the local weekly
rag.

Other good stratagies include putting an engine in the bed of your pickup
and parking on the street at the center of one of these small, rural
towns.  Get up in the bed and start working on the engine, running it from
time to time.  Lots of folks will stop to look and chat.  You'd be
surprised how often, someone will say "I've got one of these old things in
the barn, would you be interested?"

The other thing to do is to include a sign that sez something like "I buy
engines" to display with your engines at local shows.  The small local
shows, Ag fairs, etc. are the best for the engine hunter.  Lots of folks
attending are "tourists" not engine folks.  They will often tell you
that they know where an engine "just like that one there" is located.  It
doesn't matter if yours is common as mud or is ultra rare.  The tourist
sees spoked flywheels and a heavy chunk of iron and remembers seeing
something similar.  The "treasure" could end up being anything from a
stuck, stripped, broken, and worn out Fairbanks Morse to a rare engine in
mint condition.

The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
can be as much fun as the find.

Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.

Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?

One of the wildest I ever heard of was a buddy of Craig Prucha who would
go up in an ultralight in the dead of winter flying over the woods looking
for oilfield engines and power houses.  He found quite a few that way.
Don't forget to visit those backwoods country bars and buy rounds of
drinks.  Those hunters may have seen flywheels while tracking deer.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

> This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to
> agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and
> the farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of
> the land along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course,
> is hardly unique to my area.
>
> In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down
> some particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside
> of such out  structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's
> etc., some  Olivers and Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,
> such arrangements would also yield some engines that have been
> relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years ago but never  discarded.
>
> The folks up this way were largely products of the  depression and the
> mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
> Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it"
> (if anyone ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and
> ask the right questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.
> As I wrote, tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.
> Does it follow the h-'n-m  would as well?
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From oldengin at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 13:57:41 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:57:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers/now Fuel
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B5AD55.8050505@verizon.net>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>  Such is life in the "low rent district!"
>         Dave
> PS, What Leroy has not told anyone to this day is that he eventually 
> tried to run the M on Old Mill. THAT didn't work so well!
>
>
Dave, I might have had better luck had I remembered to use the ole mill 
direct.....   The recycled stuff just would not keep it running. And Yes 
Arnie I did have success with paint thinner also, that engin has run 
after this time and still not been pulled and cleaned from all those 
different "FUEL"sssssssss.

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 14:35:12 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <20051230212021.13922.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20051230212021.13922.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230173143.0252bed8@mail.alltel.net>


>  Wondering if this  pumping system could be powered by a stationary 
> engine (can't see why  not).
>   JM

Anything that is big enough to pull the pump and that has a shaft to which 
a (flat belt?) pulley can be attached will work.
         Dave  



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 15:21:41 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:21:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230173143.0252bed8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051230232141.67338.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

DR-
 Yes, it is much as you described.   "In the day", the McCormick Deering was used as the source of power to  transfer fuel products from delivery trucks to three separate 20,000  gallons each above ground tanks (one each for gasoline, kero, and fuel  oil).  I was asking in that I thought maybe one of you "engine  display enthusiasts" could demonstrate pumping apparatus.  Again,  just a thought/  BTW, the belts are still there.
  JM

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:  
>  Wondering if this  pumping system could be powered by a stationary 
> engine (can't see why  not).
>   JM

Anything that is big enough to pull the pump and that has a shaft to which 
a (flat belt?) pulley can be attached will work.
         Dave  

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 15:15:37 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:15:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
References: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <001701c60d97$08c77530$a2fd8790@ogborneuah38i3>

Ian ....I am sorry ,i gave you some wrong info . The biggest Schebler carb
that i have has a 1 inch throat and the flange hole centres are at 2.5
inches.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Browning" <isandian at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor


> G'day,
> I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model D has 3.5" hole
> centres on the throttle body. Can anyone point me to a source of technical
> information, please?
>
> Ian Browning
> Arcadia, NSW, Australia
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 30 16:29:22 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:29:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B5D0E2.9080706@earthlink.net>

Very large snip,

>Other good stratagies include putting an engine in the bed of your pickup
>and parking on the street at the center of one of these small, rural
>towns.
>
Close to what Arnie mentioned, and what a find.
http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase.html
Story on the page. Enjoy!

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/






From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 30 16:51:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:51:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorry lists
Message-ID: <43B5D615.3020605@earthlink.net>

Seems a few are unhappy with the topic of E-bay and pictures stolen from 
web sites. I posted last night on what I did, and quite honestly no list 
response was needed. Off list is fine. I only wanted to let you know 
what I did. It's been fun and lot's of positive response also. My 
vacation (holiday) started tonight. Many beers call me as I must 
practice for tomorrow nights celebration that is already on in OZ.

Cheers and Happy New Years to all.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 17:58:32 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:58:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorry lists/E-bay
In-Reply-To: <43B5D615.3020605@earthlink.net>
References: <43B5D615.3020605@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230205605.0259be38@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:51 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote:
>Seems a few are unhappy with the topic of E-bay and pictures stolen from 
>web sites. I posted last night on what I did, and quite honestly no list 
>response was needed. Off list is fine. I only wanted to let you know what 
>I did. It's been fun and lot's of positive response also. My vacation 
>(holiday) started tonight. Many beers call me as I must practice for 
>tomorrow nights celebration that is already on in OZ.
>Cheers and Happy New Years to all.
>Jeff

It's still up Jeff--and I think MOST of us (read that ALL except one sorry 
individual from OZ) appreciate what you have done! All I can say is THANKS 
and Happy New Year!
         Dave



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 30 18:27:46 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:27:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>

> Before he sold it, we ran Dave Rotigel's 12 hp T/G Hercules on kero.  
> That
> engine was DEFINITELY happier running on kero than running on gas.  It 
> ran
> steadier, generally firing every 4-stroke cycle and had a softer, more 
> mellow
> exhaust note.  On gas she'd often fire every other 4-stroke cycle and 
> had a
> much sharper bark.

That, paradoxically, is because it's running less efficiently on 
kerosene. The engine slows down and opens its throttle valve a little 
more, which lets in enough fuel-air mixture to make a combustible 
mixture with the noncombustible exhaust gas remaining in the clearance 
space of this low-compression engine. On gasoline it speeds up more 
with a power stroke, the governor responds by closing the throttle 
further, and the small amount of fuel-air mixture is too diluted by 
noncombustible exhaust to fire. As the engine goes on through its cycle 
and flushes that charge out, the next one is combustible AND contains 
part of the fuel-air mixture that was admitted on the previous cycle, 
so it makes a bigger "explosion" in the cylinder, and it repeats. 
8-stroking. The sharp "bark" every other cycle is because more fuel is 
burning than would be if it fired every cycle. Sometimes you can get it 
to settle down and hit every lick while idling on gasoline, and it'll 
quieten down more than it will on the slow-burning kero.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 30 18:30:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:30:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Sorry lists/E-bay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230205605.0259be38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051231023107.4DD453FC07C@b0641.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Here-here - don't sweat it, dude.
Happy new year!

Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:59 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorry lists/E-bay

At 07:51 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote:
>Seems a few are unhappy with the topic of E-bay and pictures stolen 
>from web sites. I posted last night on what I did, and quite honestly 
>no list response was needed. Off list is fine. I only wanted to let you 
>know what I did. It's been fun and lot's of positive response also. My 
>vacation
>(holiday) started tonight. Many beers call me as I must practice for 
>tomorrow nights celebration that is already on in OZ.
>Cheers and Happy New Years to all.
>Jeff

It's still up Jeff--and I think MOST of us (read that ALL except one sorry
individual from OZ) appreciate what you have done! All I can say is THANKS
and Happy New Year!
         Dave

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From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec 30 19:14:50 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:14:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

All right John, your fishing. My "M" fires every time wheather it is running 
on the gas start up tank or kerosene. It sounds the same too. Just don't 
stink as pretty on gas.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


>> Before he sold it, we ran Dave Rotigel's 12 hp T/G Hercules on kero. 
>> That
>> engine was DEFINITELY happier running on kero than running on gas.  It 
>> ran
>> steadier, generally firing every 4-stroke cycle and had a softer, more 
>> mellow
>> exhaust note.  On gas she'd often fire every other 4-stroke cycle and had 
>> a
>> much sharper bark.
>
> That, paradoxically, is because it's running less efficiently on kerosene. 
> The engine slows down and opens its throttle valve a little more, which 
> lets in enough fuel-air mixture to make a combustible mixture with the 
> noncombustible exhaust gas remaining in the clearance space of this 
> low-compression engine. On gasoline it speeds up more with a power stroke, 
> the governor responds by closing the throttle further, and the small 
> amount of fuel-air mixture is too diluted by noncombustible exhaust to 
> fire. As the engine goes on through its cycle and flushes that charge out, 
> the next one is combustible AND contains part of the fuel-air mixture that 
> was admitted on the previous cycle, so it makes a bigger "explosion" in 
> the cylinder, and it repeats. 8-stroking. The sharp "bark" every other 
> cycle is because more fuel is burning than would be if it fired every 
> cycle. Sometimes you can get it to settle down and hit every lick while 
> idling on gasoline, and it'll quieten down more than it will on the 
> slow-burning kero.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 30 20:45:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:45:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>

> All right John, your fishing. My "M" fires every time wheather it is 
> running on the gas start up tank or kerosene. It sounds the same too. 
> Just don't stink as pretty on gas.

Lots of low compression throttle governed engines do 8-stroke that way 
when running unloaded, though, and for that reason. Yours may have some 
extra drag that keeps it from throttling way down.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 30 20:54:48 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:54:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <017c01c60dc6$553af250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> That, paradoxically, is because it's running less
efficiently on 
> kerosene. The engine slows down and opens its throttle
valve a little 
> more, which lets in enough fuel-air mixture to make a
combustible 
> mixture with the noncombustible exhaust gas remaining in
the 
> clearance 
> space of this low-compression engine. On gasoline it
speeds up more 
> with a power stroke, the governor responds by closing the
throttle 
> further, and the small amount of fuel-air mixture is too
diluted by 
> noncombustible exhaust to fire. As the engine goes on
through 
> its cycle 
> and flushes that charge out, the next one is combustible
AND contains 
> part of the fuel-air mixture that was admitted on the
previous cycle, 
> so it makes a bigger "explosion" in the cylinder, and it
repeats. 
> 8-stroking. The sharp "bark" every other cycle is because 
> more fuel is 
> burning than would be if it fired every cycle. Sometimes
you 
> can get it 
> to settle down and hit every lick while idling on
gasoline, and it'll 
> quieten down more than it will on the slow-burning kero.


Sooooo John...
There are a lot of variables that remain undefined in your
and Arnie's scenarios, so we'll just stick with what's been
said so far.

Your above email states that the engine running on gaso
inducts fuel on every cycle, yet only burns fuel on every
other cycle.  My intuition tells me that would not be very
efficient, yet you claim that it is still more efficient
than an engine running on kerosene that derives power from
every cycle.  

That is indeed a paradox.

Rob





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 30 21:28:57 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:28:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <017c01c60dc6$553af250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <017c01c60dc6$553af250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <211c13e779659be61aba52d736223a52@chartertn.net>

> Sooooo John...
> There are a lot of variables that remain undefined in your
> and Arnie's scenarios, so we'll just stick with what's been
> said so far.
>
> Your above email states that the engine running on gaso
> inducts fuel on every cycle, yet only burns fuel on every
> other cycle.  My intuition tells me that would not be very
> efficient, yet you claim that it is still more efficient
> than an engine running on kerosene that derives power from
> every cycle.
>
> That is indeed a paradox.

Not at all. We're talking about an idling engine, which by definition 
is 0% efficient overall.

The combustion efficiency and conversion of fuel energy to work on a 
single power stroke of that idling engine is higher on gasoline. That's 
why it throttles down, wasting most of the fuel inducted on alternate 
cycles.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 21:51:24 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:51:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20e.10a38dac.30e7765c@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2005 11:36:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
The combustion efficiency and conversion of fuel energy to work on a 
single power stroke of that idling engine is higher on gasoline. That's 
why it throttles down, wasting most of the fuel inducted on alternate 
cycles.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
Hi John,
That's why, if you must run an engine under such circumstances,one power 
stroke, then no firing until engine slows, but with fuel passing through unburned 
until the engine slows and another power stroke occurs, it is wise if your 
engine is a Maytag.  That way, the unburned fuel is converted to smoke which, in 
turn, is a public health benefit because it keeps mosquitoes away.  Thanks for 
mentioning it.
Ron.Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri (where the mosquitoes are safely tucked away for the 
winter)


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 30 22:52:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:52:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <211c13e779659be61aba52d736223a52@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <018501c60dd6$c9659d00$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Not at all. We're talking about an idling engine, which by
definition 
> is 0% efficient overall.


Hold your horses there, Hombre!  I thought you said that
gasoline engines were MORE efficient than kero engines.  But
NOW you're saying is that both the gaso and kero engines are
EQUALLY efficient.  

So now the question becomes which engine uses the least fuel
to achieve zero efficiency, a competition that MaytagTwin
will win hands down with his motor that uses zero fuel and
outputs zero power.  

Rob












From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Dec 30 22:47:18 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:47:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb/hot tube (3rd try)
Message-ID: <200512310907640.SM00932@new.databak.co.za>

2nd try ---<Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
3rd try <Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
SMTP connection failed

Hi All,
         I hope you all had a good Christmas.
         Some months back there was a discussing regarding the how the 
length of a hot tube affects the  timing of an engine. I think it was for a 
Fairbanks and that the shorter the tube the more advanced the timing is and 
the longer the tube the more retarded the timing is. It had to do with the 
amount of "gas" that had to be compressed.
         Unfortunately in changing eMail programmes I lost this discussion.
         Can anyone explain it to me again or point me to a webpage that 
describes the principle (in laymans language).
         Also - Does the description "Hot bulb" or "Hot tube" mean the same 
thing or are they different animals.
         Thanks in advance.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
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Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 23:09:54 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:09:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <104.6f83050f.30e788c2@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/31/2005 1:05:17 AM Central Standard Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:
So now the question becomes which engine uses the least fuel
to achieve zero efficiency, a competition that MaytagTwin
will win hands down with his motor that uses zero fuel and
outputs zero power.  

Rob
True enough, but the beloved Maytag Engine has an annoyance factor in the 
high 90% range.

Ron


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 05:14:46 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:14:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <20051231131436.DIDP24868.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Using the thunder of the fireworks as cover I fired up the big Stover for
the New Year. It would have to be one of the first old engines to run in
2006!
Here is to 2006 being a much better year than 2005.
Happy New Year from Sydney.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 05:30:27 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:30:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Maybe we have stumbled onto something here John. I have been using 70 wt. 
oil in the oiler since I had The "M" as a result it has so much compression 
that I can hang out on the flywheel rims all day and it won't go over 
compression. At the same time the thing bounces back and forth against 
compression when shut down as if it were on ball bearings. It does run with 
a sharp exaust sound and doesn't foul its silvery plated Champion plug ever. 
Not even close. Maybe some of these "eight strokers" need some ring 
attention or just the heavy cylinder oil that they recomended, especially 
since running kerosene as they were intended has suddnly come in to vogue.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


>> All right John, your fishing. My "M" fires every time wheather it is 
>> running on the gas start up tank or kerosene. It sounds the same too. 
>> Just don't stink as pretty on gas.
>
> Lots of low compression throttle governed engines do 8-stroke that way 
> when running unloaded, though, and for that reason. Yours may have some 
> extra drag that keeps it from throttling way down.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Dec 31 06:14:18 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:14:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 2006
Message-ID: <002d01c60e14$80b777c0$9b316854@Sixmjohn>

Thanks for all the mails and cards of sympathy you send us
after John's death.

I wish you all a happy and healthy New Year.

Ria Hammink



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 31 09:14:15 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:14:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>
	<002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <8a837c0255b941a8f9b9fba0a699eac7@chartertn.net>

> Maybe some of these "eight strokers" need some ring attention or just 
> the heavy cylinder oil that they recomended, especially since running 
> kerosene as they were intended has suddnly come in to vogue.

That's a good idea. Especially since the kero dilutes the oil so much. 
Whenever I run my M on kero, unburned kerosene drips out of the 
breather, and it puddles in the bottom of the crankcase.

When the engine's 8-stroking, any slight extra resistance makes it 
smooth right out.

These engines weren't built for prolonged idling, they were intended to 
work nearly continuously at their rated horsepower.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 10:29:01 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:29:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>
	<002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<8a837c0255b941a8f9b9fba0a699eac7@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001901c60e38$12c510a0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

That's about what I expected to hear.
With the spring hooked to the throttle lever, my "M" slows down to what 
sounds likd about 180 rpms. It does continue to fire every time and will 
pull a load as well. I will check the speed tomorrow if I can get to 
starting it.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


>> Maybe some of these "eight strokers" need some ring attention or just the 
>> heavy cylinder oil that they recomended, especially since running 
>> kerosene as they were intended has suddnly come in to vogue.
>
> That's a good idea. Especially since the kero dilutes the oil so much. 
> Whenever I run my M on kero, unburned kerosene drips out of the breather, 
> and it puddles in the bottom of the crankcase.
>
> When the engine's 8-stroking, any slight extra resistance makes it smooth 
> right out.
>
> These engines weren't built for prolonged idling, they were intended to 
> work nearly continuously at their rated horsepower.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sat Dec 31 11:32:30 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:32:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb/hot tube (3rd try)
In-Reply-To: <200512310907640.SM00932@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <E1EsmT2-0006Sq-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	I believe that a shorter tube retards ignition and a longer
tube advances ignition. This because it is more difficult to push
air/fuel mixture into a shorter tube than a longer one into the
red hot region of the heated tube. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb/hot tube (3rd try)

2nd try ---<Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
3rd try <Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> SMTP
connection failed

Hi All,
         I hope you all had a good Christmas.
         Some months back there was a discussing regarding the how the
length of a hot tube affects the  timing of an engine. I think it was for a
Fairbanks and that the shorter the tube the more advanced the timing is and
the longer the tube the more retarded the timing is. It had to do with the
amount of "gas" that had to be compressed.
         Unfortunately in changing eMail programmes I lost this discussion.
         Can anyone explain it to me again or point me to a webpage that
describes the principle (in laymans language).
         Also - Does the description "Hot bulb" or "Hot tube" mean the same
thing or are they different animals.
         Thanks in advance.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 13:19:20 2005
From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:19:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.
Message-ID: <001001c60e4f$ddce2e00$0100000a@Bear>

Happy new year to all list members, and I hope  that in the new year that 
all your dreams and wishes come true.
I was looking forward to spending new year eve with my wife and friends but 
spent it fighting a bush fire.
Chat to you all again soon.
Barry & Tanya Stait.
Mudgee. N.S.W. Australia.
bst41474 at bigpond.net.au 



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 14:49:15 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:49:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.
In-Reply-To: <001001c60e4f$ddce2e00$0100000a@Bear>
Message-ID: <20051231224915.82191.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry to learn of this unfortunate fire.  Hoping that you escaped without harm.
  Happy New Year.  Be safe.
  Jim Moran
  Rochester, New York (USA)

Barry & Tanya Stait <bst41474 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:  Happy new year to all list members, and I hope  that in the new year that 
all your dreams and wishes come true.
I was looking forward to spending new year eve with my wife and friends but 
spent it fighting a bush fire.
Chat to you all again soon.
Barry & Tanya Stait.
Mudgee. N.S.W. Australia.
bst41474 at bigpond.net.au 

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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 15:46:26 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:46:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Year End Surprise!
Message-ID: <223.5922766.30e87252@aol.com>

Hi List,
Happy New Years.  
Well, I ended the year with the acquisition of two non running  engines - a 
Sattley with a Wico magneto and a Fairbanks Morse Dishpan with a  magneto.
I need timing and magneto information on the  Dishpan.   Since the name tag 
is missing, what is the correct  model number for the Dishpan?  The serial 
number stamped on the top of the  hopper is "48652".  I believe the magneto is a 
Model R.  I need timing  and magneto information on the Dishpan.   
The Sattley is rated at 1? HP.  It was sold by Montgomery  Ward.  The serial 
number is "15257".  The exhaust rocker arm has been  modified.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 31 16:14:10 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:14:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
Message-ID: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch of
"Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).

There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & Stratton to a
vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)

In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.  

I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer of
stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, and
something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let me
take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an otherwise
genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))

Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it will
take to get all the stuff listed.

Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

eBay: hit_n_miss



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 16:35:30 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:35:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
Message-ID: <20060101003530.49684.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At one minute past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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Kersey, PA
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 16:57:50 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060101005750.22085.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

A-
 As in your case I am finding myself to be  in need of "living room", too (not that I am ready to march in and  partition neighboring countries....I am sure you get my drift and  reference). 8-)
  
 I have allowed a friend to house his Nissan  truck in my barn for the winters and there is a pesky snowmobile that  belongs to my wife's nephew (I hate those things/both snowmobiles and  the nephew, too).  That stuff has to go and I will be forced to  revoke storage privileges to my friend. I want to bring back my "A"  which has been residing up the road for reasons I no longer remember  and I intend to buy a nice 1960's Lo-Boy in the spring.  Combined  with all of the other machinery and gadgets, some freed up square  footage will be a welcome and necessary thing.
  
 I also have to  store a whole bunch of antique gasoline pumps and other paraphernalia  from that arena, at least until I can sell it off.
  
  Shrinking storage space is not unlike cotton....the more you eat, the smaller it gets.
  
  Happy New Year and all of that!
  
  Jim Moran

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Folks,

I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch of
"Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).

There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & Stratton to a
vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)

In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.  

I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer of
stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, and
something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let me
take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an otherwise
genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))

Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it will
take to get all the stuff listed.

Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

eBay: hit_n_miss

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From nick at holden1.net  Sat Dec 31 17:01:23 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:01:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] New year
Message-ID: <43B729E3.000003.03728@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi to all the list 
Happy New Year
my new toy at but i had to buy it myself
John Deere


Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 17:22:00 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:22:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <20060101003530.49684.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060101012200.34369.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

RF-
  It is December 32nd.
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  At one minute past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 17:51:36 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:51:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it replys
Message-ID: <20060101015136.53283.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well I have gotten several answers so far and I've come to this conclusion.
  You guys don't know what time it is either. The answers are about 50-50 
  12:01 or 00:01
  Ron



Ron Frost
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From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 18:25:33 2005
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:25:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <001401c60e7a$a4b59380$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Patrick,

Was that in Leichhardt? I guess it would have to be to have been drowned out by fireworks! Bet you wouldn't get away with it any other time!

Ian Browning


From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 31 18:24:04 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:24:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Years Fire Up
Message-ID: <43B73D44.5010504@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

The anticipation is building for us as this will be our first. I have 
invited a few folks, but I do think they may miss it. Far too much 
consumed by them early on. I am pacing myself and I can assure you all I 
feel no pain as I write.

We did get to do a test run today. A friend of the daughter was here and 
we got to talking. The special sparkle in his eye. :-) Told the short 
one to show him the Maytag. "Can I start it?" says the short one. Hell 
it was lit before I got out there. (note: there are those that don't 
believe they run, yet they complain)

Daughter came out in the garage and complained it stinks and must be a 
guy thing. We all grinned and took in the sooo special smell of burned 
fuel.

I took the lad inside and showed him engine photos and explained what 
they where used for starting with Fred's smoking wash motors. Perhaps we 
have another in our community. Life is good, and we are looking forward 
to our first start up. Pictures will be posted.

Close to opening the Spumanti cause wife lets the year come in on it's 
own. She does support the insanity but does not understand it. Sure glad 
the short one can lite it now. Come a few hours from now I'll be doing 
good to walk on my own. Life is good!! and

Happy New Years Fire Up to all.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 18:28:14 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:28:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
References: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c60e7b$0524ec70$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Is that your $349 Maytag?

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Slick Willy" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch 
> of
> "Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).
>
> There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & 
> Stratton to a
> vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)
>
> In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.
>
> I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer 
> of
> stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, 
> and
> something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let 
> me
> take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an 
> otherwise
> genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))
>
> Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it 
> will
> take to get all the stuff listed.
>
> Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> eBay: hit_n_miss
>
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From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net  Sat Dec 31 19:31:47 2005
From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:31:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.
Message-ID: <AA-96B5FB437F5F475192E7114776C53E66-ZZ@www7.prodigy.net>

Happy New Year to all list members . From the Davis 
family in Buena Vista PA.  
--- Original Message ---
From: "Barry & Tanya Stait" <bst41474 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" 
<SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>, <at at lists.antique-
tractor.com>
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.

>Happy new year to all list members, and I hope  that 
in the new year that 
>all your dreams and wishes come true.
>I was looking forward to spending new year eve with 
my wife and friends but 
>spent it fighting a bush fire.
>Chat to you all again soon.
>Barry & Tanya Stait.
>Mudgee. N.S.W. Australia.
>bst41474 at bigpond.net.au 
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 31 19:33:35 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:33:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
Message-ID: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com>

I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 20:20:27 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:20:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c60e8a$b219f880$0b151941@pengy>

I started the bidding at $20.00.  

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 20:24:32 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:24:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <001401c60e7a$a4b59380$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20060101042419.ODBF10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Ian,
	The big Stover is sitting just outside the computer room window
where I can see it as I type ;)
The boom of the fireworks actually had the floors shaking this year. Must
have been some big shells. No chance of the Stover being noticed with all
the fireworks noise :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


Patrick,

Was that in Leichhardt? I guess it would have to be to have been drowned out
by fireworks! Bet you wouldn't get away with it any other time!

Ian Browning




From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Sat Dec 31 20:23:01 2005
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:23:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <20060101003530.49684.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051231231439.00b14578@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 04:35 PM 12/31/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>At one minute past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
>   Thanks
>   Ron
>
>
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA


Ron: Depends on how you keep track of time. If you do the AM/PM version  it 
would be 12:01 AM. If you do the military version it would be 00:01.

Typed at 23:22   31 Dec 05.

_ Steve



Steve Sewell
Albany, Ohio USA
sewell at atis.net
sewell at ohio.edu



From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Sat Dec 31 21:04:07 2005
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:04:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
In-Reply-To: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 10:33 PM 12/31/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>


CC'ed to the tractor list as this is for the ATIS charity


Looks to me like a tractor guy is in the lead!!  (-;

- Steve



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 31 21:07:33 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:07:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
In-Reply-To: <00c701c60e8a$b219f880$0b151941@pengy>
References: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com> <00c701c60e8a$b219f880$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <43B76395.8020108@scrtc.com>

Rick,
    Thanks!  While I couldn't mention it in the ad, all proceeds from 
the auction will go to the ATIS Charity Auction.  When I get it back 
from the framer, I'll post a photo to show what it looks like.  I 
probably won't have it back though before the auction ends.  It will be 
very nice, double matted and a good frame. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> I started the bidding at $20.00. 
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:33 PM
> Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
>
>
>> I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Dec 31 22:47:54 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:47:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] happy new year
Message-ID: <001e01c60e9f$4b95df60$5f11fea9@merlin>

I wish every one a happy new year may your sheds be full of old iron in the new year
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198

From guitronics at comcast.net  Thu Dec  1 02:20:38 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:20:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT .....Oil supplies... Who is He?
In-Reply-To: <003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051129154800.77635.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>	<438D793C.7020708@comcast.net><004001c5f59e$c79cb120$269b81cb@ogborneuah38i3>	<438D99F1.1040709@comcast.net>
	<003701c5f5f9$e31d3090$f49581cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <438ECE76.2090905@comcast.net>

I apologize to the group for including my "Info. Card" or whatever it is 
called....I done burnt HAL's rear with my 'uppityness'....but that's 
OK.I think he either wanted a showdown, or misunderstood me.

I've been on the list for several months, but didn't feel the need to 
chime in until that happened. No offense was ever my intention,yet I do 
want to voice my opinion on some things from time to time.I enjoy the 
discourse and range of opinions.

I learned to reply at the top, and not the bottom of a posting.
I sometimes get on here after working (10+ hours, 5PM start)
and make (IMHO) small mistakes.

I enjoy the list(s),and am particularly interested in the "Listeroids" 
and "Changfa's" that George sells on his website.

After looking at his site (which is a no-no to post)?  I did a Google 
search and kept seeing the SEL  mentioned, so that's how  I became aware 
of ya's.       
                  sincerely, Michael


From russell at ncable.com.au  Thu Dec  1 04:18:01 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:18:01 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
Russell

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 05:42:01 2005
From: fred.southwell at v21mail.co.uk (Fred)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:42:01 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001901c5f67d$028f2e50$0200a8c0@athlon64>

Hello Russell
One place is: 
http://www.kelsey-books.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cat=Stationary_Engines&item=STE02

Fred

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines


> G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
> Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
> Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
> Russell
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
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From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec  1 05:47:54 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:47:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
Message-ID: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>

What is Kwik-Poly and what is it used for?

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> Hola, amigos!
> I just got off the phone with Dale Portell.  He's the guy who manufactures
> Kwik-Poly to the same specifications using the same suppliers that Harold used.
> He seems like a nice guy and a gentleman.  AND... his stuff resists gasoline
> just like the Kwik-Poly from years ago.  At least that's what I've been told.  
> 
> Dale welcomes orders from antique engine enthusiasts.  You can call him
> directly.  
> 
> Dale Portell
> 4123 Chartley Drive 
> Bridgeton , MO  63044 
> 
> (314) 344-8881     
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Thu Dec  1 05:48:37 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:48:37 -0000
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <000c01c5f67d$ef867b00$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines


> G'day all, the A to Z of british stationary engines the the pommies 
> Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
> Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
> Russell Gilbert

Hi Russell, Be brave like me and pay for the hardback book covering both editions!
See http://www.stationary-engine-magazine.co.uk/cgi-bin/purchase.cgi?s=books
I don't know what the postage is for transportation to Australia.
I know years ago "Steal a loaf" & it was free. 8^)
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 06:32:01 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:32:01 EST
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
Message-ID: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>

Hi List,
Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you 
know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the inter 
pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits onto a 
slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the 
sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing metal 
plate touches the rotor.
Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and 
needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I was 
still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the 
replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house personnel where I 
buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced along 
with the pads.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 07:13:02 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:13:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
References: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <002601c5f689$b9a26fb0$b24f6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Tom,

Kwik Poly is the best stuff going for sealing leaky gas tanks.  It has not 
been made for several years which is why all of the talk about it.  An 
excellent product.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mullt at att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik-Poly


What is Kwik-Poly and what is it used for?

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> Hola, amigos!
> I just got off the phone with Dale Portell.  He's the guy who manufactures
> Kwik-Poly to the same specifications using the same suppliers that Harold 
> used.
> He seems like a nice guy and a gentleman.  AND... his stuff resists 
> gasoline
> just like the Kwik-Poly from years ago.  At least that's what I've been 
> told.
>
> Dale welcomes orders from antique engine enthusiasts.  You can call him
> directly.
>
> Dale Portell
> 4123 Chartley Drive
> Bridgeton , MO  63044
>
> (314) 344-8881
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec  1 07:36:31 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:36:31 -0700
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
References: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1AEBAF5E97021AD454B83BB4D0@phx.gbl>

That sounds about right Francis.  I always thot the squeakers worked just 
fine.

Take Care,
RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information


> Hi List,
> Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you
> know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the 
> inter
> pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits 
> onto a
> slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the
> sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing 
> metal
> plate touches the rotor.
> Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and
> needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I 
> was
> still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the
> replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house 
> personnel where I
> buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced 
> along
> with the pads.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec  1 07:40:54 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:40:54 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <04fa01c5f68d$9f2a2c50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> What is Kwik-Poly and what is it used for?

Hi Tom,
KP is an epoxy type product that comes in pint, quart, half, and gallon sizes.
It's consistency is that of water, so it flows very easily.  It's set up time is
about five minutes.  

The use which is of primary interest to old engine restorers is for tank repair.
Let's say you have a tank that has a couple tiny pin hole leaks.  Repairing
individual leaks is usually impractical, because if there are pin holes that you
see, there are probably plenty of other areas that are "almost" pin holes.

To repair, you clean out most of the big chunks of debris in the tank with
gravel, acetone, or whatever.  If there are tiny pinholes, cover them with tape.
Big holes might be repaired with JB Weld or some other means.  Threaded
fittings, inlets, outlets are plugged up.  

Mix up an amount of KP, pour it in the tank, and slosh it around for a few
minutes.  Pour out the residual, walk away.  I like to do two coats, and if the
metal is thin, rather than pour out the residual, let it settle on the thin
side.  

An added benefit is now the entire interior of the tank is coated in KP.
Neither fuel nor water come into contact with the metal, so it should last a
long, long time.  Also, if the inside of the tank had loose bits of rust,
they'll now be locked in place and prevented from entering your fuel system.

Bottom line:  KP is superior to those "solvent based" fuel tank restoration
products.


Another use for KP that I've found amazing is for wood restoration.  We have a
cider press with original wood that had been left out for many years.  The
end-grain of the wood was crumbly and weak, and there were some large splits.
Replacement of the beautiful original wood would have been a shame.  I taped up
the sides of the wood for about six inches from the end, covering the spilts.
Then I poured KP down into the end grain as long as the wood continued to soak
it up.  After it set up and hardened, the wood is like a rock.  

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 






From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec  1 07:43:19 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:43:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>

  G'day all..little chilly here;

  Thot I'd post this to the SEL and maybe get more ideas.

  Off and on I get requests from someone looking for a casting.  Lately it's 
a belt tensioner for a Galloway Sawing Outfit.  Now I'm more than willing to 
remove this and send it to Rowlands so he can use it for a 
pattern/mold..whatever.  But isn't there an easier way???

  Could I make a mold out of say expanding type foam insulation and send it 
to you Rick???


  Seems like this would be a good idea and terrifically reduce the shipping 
costs plus I'd keep my iron.


  Any comments??

  RickinMt. 


From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec  1 07:40:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:40:44 -0500
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
Message-ID: <20051201.104101.820.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Whatever happened to the "Squeakers"  technology?

They are just a bent piece of metal that makes contact with the rotor
when the pads wear to far.

When that happens, they would squeak telling you it's time to replace.

I know my Merk doesn't have them but I wish it would.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        If we had our life to live over,  
 (_o_)          we'd probably make the same mistakes sooner.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec  1 09:01:29 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:01:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Portland Calendar Tractor Question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512011158270.68524@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I have a question for those of you who have one of the Portland calendars
and who are knowlegable about tractors.

What is that funky, streamlined blue tractor on the December page?

Thanks!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 10:40:55 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:40:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet? 
Message-ID: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I do not have my book with me right now but where is
the swap meet in Florida in January? Is it Avon Park
or Zolfo Springs?

Thanks, Jim

Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


	
		
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From ottawa at pa.net  Thu Dec  1 11:16:35 2005
From: ottawa at pa.net (George/Helen Myers)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:16:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet?
References: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <066901c5f6ab$bffa4e60$11753b42@HONDESKTOP>

That is at Avon Park.....Helen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Yost 
  To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:40 PM
  Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet?


  I do not have my book with me right now but where is
  the swap meet in Florida in January? Is it Avon Park
  or Zolfo Springs?

  Thanks, Jim

  Jim and Janna Yost
  Utica, Ohio
  USA
  jnyost at yahoo.com






From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Dec  1 11:50:43 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:50:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink
In-Reply-To: <200512011700.jB1H035Q020982@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051201201450.00a7c118@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hello List,

         I have just returned from a trip and was very shocked and saddened 
to hear of John's passing. I never met him personally but we did have a 
fair amount of "off list" contact.
         He was always so ready to help with information - a friend 
recently restored 3 "M's" and I regularly asked John for information which 
was always gladly and promptly given.
         He also often went out of his way to provide me with artwork for 
engine logo's and gave me detailed pictures with measurements for the IHC 
spec. plates which I now reproduce.
         John was also always ready to praise someone's work and for a 
"newbie" like me this was very encouraging.
         Also, as a "newbie" one tends to "rate" list members on their 
input and knowledge - John was high in my "Top 10".
         His web pages were excellent and I sincerely hope that they will 
remain in place as a tribute to him.
         I do not know his family and also do not know if they read these 
lists but my sympathy goes out to them - they (and us) really have lost 
someone special.
         R.I.P. John - you will be missed.



Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 11:56:03 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:56:03 EST
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
Message-ID: <21e.45a1ae7.30c0af53@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:17:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jlb94 at juno.com writes:

Whatever  happened to the "Squeakers"  technology?


I forgot to mention that the outer brake pad has one as the inner  brake has 
the electronic sensor mounted.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Thu Dec  1 15:09:58 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:09:58 -0800
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV1AEBAF5E97021AD454B83BB4D0@phx.gbl>
References: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051201150757.01bd4100@mail.pennswoods.net>

Rick that is why they replaced them with some thing more expensive. The 
auto industry can't let any thing that works and is not expensive remain.
R Fink
PA







At 08:36 AM 12/1/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>That sounds about right Francis.  I always thot the squeakers worked just
>fine.
>
>Take Care,
>RickinMt.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:32 AM
>Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
>
>
> > Hi List,
> > Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you
> > know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the
> > inter
> > pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits
> > onto a
> > slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the
> > sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing
> > metal
> > plate touches the rotor.
> > Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and
> > needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I
> > was
> > still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the
> > replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house
> > personnel where I
> > buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced
> > along
> > with the pads.
> >
> > Francis  Maciel
> > Santa Maria, CA
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>_______________________________________________
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From briwatt at optusnet.com.au  Thu Dec  1 14:12:38 2005
From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:12:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>

Hi Russell,
Try Greg Mc Neice at Rally Badges thats where I got my books from..
Brian in Melbourne.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines


> G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
> Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
> Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
> Russell
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  1 13:51:08 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:51:08 -0500
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20051201150757.01bd4100@mail.pennswoods.net>
References: <d4.34ae2c49.30c06361@aol.com>
	<4.2.0.58.20051201150757.01bd4100@mail.pennswoods.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201164433.0ccbb4a8@mail.alltel.net>

Hell, the sensors do NOT have to be expensive. My MB '79, '84 and '86 had 
them on the front pads. They cost about $1.40 each when the time came to 
replace the pads. All they did is ground in order to complete the circuit 
when the pads needed to be replaced. It's about time that other car 
manufacturers came into the 20th century!
         Dave
PS, Next lets talk about the wipers on the headlights. I laughed like hell 
when I first bought that MB--but after driving it for one winter I realized 
just how good those MB engineers were!

At 06:09 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote:
>Rick that is why they replaced them with some thing more expensive. The 
>auto industry can't let any thing that works and is not expensive remain.
>R Fink
>PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 08:36 AM 12/1/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>>That sounds about right Francis.  I always thot the squeakers worked just
>>fine.
>>
>>Take Care,
>>RickinMt.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <FRM8198 at aol.com>
>>To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:32 AM
>>Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor Technology/Information
>>
>>
>> > Hi List,
>> > Some of the newer cars have sensors mounted on the brake pads to  let you
>> > know that the pads need replacement.  On my car they  are located on the
>> > inter
>> > pads.  These sensors are just wires molded in  a plastic piece that fits
>> > onto a
>> > slot on the pad.  They are positioned so  that the rotor wears through the
>> > sensor/plastic and breaks the circuit before  the worn brake pads backing
>> > metal
>> > plate touches the rotor.
>> > Needless to say, I didn't realize that the sensors actually wore  out and
>> > needed replacing along with the pads.  Yes, after replacing the  pads, I
>> > was
>> > still getting the notice to change out the brake pads.   Surprising, the
>> > replacement sensors cost more than the brake pads.  The  parts house
>> > personnel where I
>> > buy most of my parts were not aware that the  sensors had to be replaced
>> > along
>> > with the pads.
>> >
>> > Francis  Maciel
>> > Santa Maria, CA
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  1 12:44:23 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:44:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet? 
In-Reply-To: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051201184056.6955.qmail@web34614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201153007.0cc38480@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Jim,
         Pioneer Park Days is held each year at Zolfo Springs. Last year 
(ie 2005) the dates were March 2-6. Avon Park is about 19 miles west of 
Zolfo Springs. I know of no show or swap meet in Avon Park--and there is no 
such listing in either the 2004 or 2005 Show Directory. The FL Flywheelers 
has one of their shows in Ft. Meade FL the week before the Zolfo show. 
(Those dates were Feb 24-27 last year--ie 2005.) I just talked to the 
people at Zolfo and Pioneer Park Days in March 2006 will be March 1-5.
         Dave

At 01:40 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote:
>I do not have my book with me right now but where is
>the swap meet in Florida in January? Is it Avon Park
>or Zolfo Springs?
>
>Thanks, Jim
>
>Jim and Janna Yost
>Utica, Ohio
>USA
>jnyost at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Dec  1 15:25:32 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: [SEl] - Interesting Brake Pad Wear Sensor
	Technology/Information
Message-ID: <4gvsq4$1hspk8q@mxip07a.cluster1.charter.net>


> jlb94 at juno.com writes:
> 
> Whatever  happened to the "Squeakers"  technology?
> 
> 
> I forgot to mention that the outer brake pad has one as the inner  brake has 
> the electronic sensor mounted.  
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
> 
Sounds like a BMW, Bring Money Withya.
J.B. Castagnos


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Thu Dec  1 15:48:48 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:48:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>

Rick,

I suppose that you could use urethane, make a mold then use it to make an 
exact replica of the part out of urethane and send me that replica.  However 
that stuff is quite expensive and some pieces aren't easy to replicate in 
that way.

One other thing to consider is that I would be working from a second 
generation.  Ever make a photocopy of a photocopy?  As you copy copies the 
quality of the image deteriorates.  Same principle applies to castings.  The 
best quality casting will always be the one made from a well built pattern. 
Now in many cases I can make castings from castings but those pieces are 
always a bit inferior in quality from the original. The further away I get 
from the pattern the worse the quality is going to be.

I've never lost a customer's part and I've never returned the parts in worse 
condition than they were sent to me.  If you send more pieces and pack them 
with as much care as that first group of castings and ask for delivery 
confirmation we won't have any problems.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands


>  G'day all..little chilly here;
>
>  Thot I'd post this to the SEL and maybe get more ideas.
>
>  Off and on I get requests from someone looking for a casting.  Lately 
> it's a belt tensioner for a Galloway Sawing Outfit.  Now I'm more than 
> willing to remove this and send it to Rowlands so he can use it for a 
> pattern/mold..whatever.  But isn't there an easier way???
>
>  Could I make a mold out of say expanding type foam insulation and send it 
> to you Rick???
>
>
>  Seems like this would be a good idea and terrifically reduce the shipping 
> costs plus I'd keep my iron.
>
>
>  Any comments??
>
>  RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oldengin at verizon.net  Thu Dec  1 15:54:02 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:54:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
Message-ID: <438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>

Gday
    After a nice thread about models on Jim's list and after some 
discussion on salesmen samples here I now have some questions. What size 
makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? 
Can any of us tell the difference? Why are these not looked at as bering 
a "MODEL"? after all they are just toys?  I have seen old models that 
are rough enough that I could have maybe been convinced that they where 
Salesmen samples. Any one else? Let me hear what you think and why  you 
agree or disagree. And what about size? when is a model no longer a 
model? I have an Ideal with 10 inch flywheels and it is real, yet I 
build models with 10 inch flywheels and I have a Flywheel off of a 1 1/2 
"M" that is going onto a MODEL. Is this wrong Curt seen the little 
Brunner air compressor that has been changed into a model engin and if 
you did not know better you would think it to be a salesman sample of an 
engin that did not cut the mustard?


-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec  1 17:05:57 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:05:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
	<438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>

Leroy,
    I generally think of a "model" as a reproduced, scaled version of an 
original engine.  The scale could be 1/4, 1/2 or even full.  In my book, 
a model would be as accurate as possible including detail.  A salesman 
sample would probably fit my definition of a model.  However, a 
salesman's sample would be different in that it would have been 
constructed by the original engine manufacturer (the Callahan salesman 
sample that was discussed was actually made by the WP Callahan Co.).  I 
made a gent mad at a show last year.  He had one of the Emory Campbell 
built Springfields (a full scale reproduction of the 1 HP's).  I said 
"Oh, you have one of Emory's Springfield models".  His comment was "its 
not a model, its a real engine".  My comment then to him was, "you can 
call it an engine, but its not a real one".  He sulled up and didn't say 
anything else.  But, in my book, its a model.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Leroy wrote:

> Gday
>    After a nice thread about models on Jim's list and after some 
> discussion on salesmen samples here I now have some questions. What 
> size makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" 
> sample? Can any of us tell the difference? Why are these not looked at 
> as bering a "MODEL"? after all they are just toys?  I have seen old 
> models that are rough enough that I could have maybe been convinced 
> that they where Salesmen samples. Any one else? Let me hear what you 
> think and why  you agree or disagree. And what about size? when is a 
> model no longer a model? I have an Ideal with 10 inch flywheels and it 
> is real, yet I build models with 10 inch flywheels and I have a 
> Flywheel off of a 1 1/2 "M" that is going onto a MODEL. Is this wrong 
> Curt seen the little Brunner air compressor that has been changed into 
> a model engin and if you did not know better you would think it to be 
> a salesman sample of an engin that did not cut the mustard?
>
>




From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  1 19:12:08 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 03:12:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20051202031208.27733.qmail@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Leroy

I would say that Models are reproductions, usually to a scale smaller than the Full Size object,
be it engine or anything else.

The degree of fidelity to the original is up to the builder, but modern tendency is for the purist
to have everything in exact reduced scale to the Full Size, and that includes things like the size
of nuts and bolt heads.  And also all parts made from the same materials as the original.

In days of yore, as long as the model looked somewhat like the full size object, then it was
considered to be 'Good Enough'.  Usually this was because of the limited equipment and facilities
of the model builder.  True Scale was the exception rather than the rule, so a lot of the 'blobs
and gadgets' were not deemed to be necessary.

Regards

Dave
Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea



--- Leroy  wrote:

What size 
> makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? 
> Can any of us tell the difference? 


		
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From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 19:52:02 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:52:02 EST
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <86.351af938.30c11ee2@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk writes:


> --- Leroy  wrote:
> 
> What size 
> > makes a model? what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? 
> > Can any of us tell the difference? 
> 
> 

My Ginger said I was a "Model husband" .......till I found out a model is "a 
small imitation of the real thing"!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  1 17:44:39 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:44:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>
	<438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net> <438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201202400.0cd0ddd8@mail.alltel.net>


>   His comment was "its not a model, its a real engine".  My comment then 
> to him was, "you can call it an engine, but its not a real one".
>Tommy Turner

Hi Tommy,
         Are you saying that there is a metaphysical difference between the 
original and the after market version? Or is it that "real" (read that 
"reality") is in the mind of the beholder? If the latter, could it be that 
the item the man had was BOTH an engine and NOT an engine--an engine for 
him and NOT an engine for you? On the other hand, have you ever considered 
that the real/not real engine exists (and has a consciousness) and both you 
and the other man are simply figments of it's imagination? If so, it would 
be you and the other man who are not "real."
         Dave
PS, I'm sure that I'll think of other possibilities tonight and will try to 
straighten it all out tomorrow while on my way to NJ to pick up a Witte 
drag saw I recently bought on e-bay.
PPS, I sure hope the drag saw is REAL!
PPPS, If it's not real and I kill the seller (after bringing him to KY) 
because it's not real can we straighten all this out in your courtroom?
PPPPS, Since God made man first and then used him as prototype in order to 
make woman, does this mean that women are not real?
PPPPPS, So many questions, so few answers!
PPPPPPS, I sure hope that all this can be resolved before next show season. 
I'd hate to take an "unreal" item to a show next year!



From dtallman at accnorwalk.com  Thu Dec  1 23:13:57 2005
From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:13:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Portland Calendar Tractor Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512011158270.68524@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20051202020601.00b64e60@pop3.accnorwalk.com>


>
>What is that funky, streamlined blue tractor on the December page?
Arnie,  that is a Ford prototype owned by Wayne Coffman of Tiffin, OH. It 
was designed by Ferdinand Porsche if I remember right. It has an opposed 
engine that remnds me of an early VW. Wayne purchased this tractor when 
they had the auction of surplus "stuff" at the Henry Ford museum several 
years ago. The tractor that is shown at the top of June is another one 
Wayne bought at the auction. It's now owned by my buddy, Rocky Fowler. 
Rocky hauled both of them to Portland for the Ford feature.


                                                                                      Doug 
Tallman
                                                                                      dtallman at accnorwalk.com 

                                                                                      VGTCOA 
Ohio Regional Director
                                                                                       Greenwich, 
OH USA



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Fri Dec  2 00:54:25 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 08:54:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Message from Ria
Message-ID: <43900BC1.2090609@insulate.co.uk>

Hi All

I received a message from Ria and family last night which I'm sure she'd 
want me to pass on to you:

*********

We would like to thank you, as wel as all the listmembers who joined in, 
for the beautiful flowers.
We appreciate all the attention and simpaty. It's so heartwarming to 
read that so many people learned from his deep knowledge of
engines and all kinds of things mechanical.
Tomorrow will be a day of great sadness when we have to say goodbye for 
the very last time...

Kind regards,

Ria
Simone, Klaas & Sten
Jeroen, Esther


-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec  2 04:52:54 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:52:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201202400.0cd0ddd8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>	<001c01c5f6c4$57e22af0$0f4beedc@fred>	<438F8D1A.1090005@verizon.net>
	<438F9DF5.1090308@scrtc.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051201202400.0cd0ddd8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <439043A6.4020200@scrtc.com>

Dave,

    Not sure if I'm real or not.  Based on some of the comments that 
have been said about me here at the courthouse, its questionable 
(although I think I'm real as I've had a few tell me "you're a 
real....*&$%#").  So, based on that, I think I would fall in the real 
category.  As for old iron, its not a "real" antique as it appeared 
there was an effort to pass it off as such.  Now the question could 
arise of whether or not I'm a real antique or not.  I think not but my 
wife more and more thinks so....... Dave, are you a real "antique"?  (I 
understand that Viagra has done somewhat of a "restoration" on some.....).

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY

>
>>   His comment was "its not a model, its a real engine".  My comment 
>> then to him was, "you can call it an engine, but its not a real one".
>> Tommy Turner
>
>
> Hi Tommy,
>         Are you saying that there is a metaphysical difference between 
> the original and the after market version? Or is it that "real" (read 
> that "reality") is in the mind of the beholder? If the latter, could 
> it be that the item the man had was BOTH an engine and NOT an 
> engine--an engine for him and NOT an engine for you? On the other 
> hand, have you ever considered that the real/not real engine exists 
> (and has a consciousness) and both you and the other man are simply 
> figments of it's imagination? If so, it would be you and the other man 
> who are not "real."
>         Dave
> PS, I'm sure that I'll think of other possibilities tonight and will 
> try to straighten it all out tomorrow while on my way to NJ to pick up 
> a Witte drag saw I recently bought on e-bay.
> PPS, I sure hope the drag saw is REAL!
> PPPS, If it's not real and I kill the seller (after bringing him to 
> KY) because it's not real can we straighten all this out in your 
> courtroom?
> PPPPS, Since God made man first and then used him as prototype in 
> order to make woman, does this mean that women are not real?
> PPPPPS, So many questions, so few answers!
> PPPPPPS, I sure hope that all this can be resolved before next show 
> season. I'd hate to take an "unreal" item to a show next year!
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 05:08:24 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 08:08:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <24b.2b55288.30c1a148@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:24:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
oldengin at verizon.net writes:

<< what features of a model are not on a "salesman" sample? >>
Leroy,

Not being an expert of any kind but rather looking and studying the Callahan 
"salesman's sample" a number of times it appeared that everything was scaled 
down including such things as the  mag/chain drive/oiler.  It was a fascinating 
great piece of workmanship!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec  2 05:49:49 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 06:49:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV3BF87FF8A9045BDD47C8CBB4C0@phx.gbl>




>
> I've never lost a customer's part and I've never returned the parts in 
> worse
> condition than they were sent to me.  If you send more pieces and pack 
> them
> with as much care as that first group of castings and ask for delivery
> confirmation we won't have any problems.


  That's the only way I can see to do it, unless they were a friend/list 
member.

  Thanks for the comeback Rick


  RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec  2 06:55:34 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:55:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
In-Reply-To: <001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>

Rick S.,
I'd like to add my experience with the urethanes. When I was making the 
Stickney patterns I decided to use the urethane product to make the 
corebox for the fuel site gage. I made the wooden male part with all the 
correct drafts and slicked it up smooth as glass with primer surfacer 
and lots of sanding.
Per the urethanes instructions I put on 3 coats of carnoba wax and 
sprayed the special release agent on the part too.
Then I loaded the part in the core box and poured the 2 part urethane 
in. It set up just as it was supposed too.
However, getting the male part back out proved a hell of a challenge! I 
screwed in lags and used a slide hammer on it in several places. No go. 
Eventually I had to break the wood male form out of the urethane. It 
fought me the entire way and when I was done I had nothing but a pile of 
splinters on the floor. Thank goodness the resulting female core box 
turned out perfect with no blemishes so it all worked out.

Long story I know, but that is my experience with urethane. This was a 
super slick finish and it still didn't release.

Here is a belt tensioner pattern and follow board for the IHC Famous 
sawrig. Whip up a pattern of your belt tensioner in wood and you'll be 
able to make all the new ones you and your buddies want. It's really not 
bad one you get into it. Use something soft like poplar or mahogany and 
you'll have an easy job.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Patterns/8Famous/Fork2.htm

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I suppose that you could use urethane, make a mold then use it to make 
> an exact replica of the part out of urethane and send me that 
> replica.  However that stuff is quite expensive and some pieces aren't 
> easy to replicate in that way.
>
> One other thing to consider is that I would be working from a second 
> generation.  Ever make a photocopy of a photocopy?  As you copy copies 
> the quality of the image deteriorates.  Same principle applies to 
> castings.  The best quality casting will always be the one made from a 
> well built pattern. Now in many cases I can make castings from 
> castings but those pieces are always a bit inferior in quality from 
> the original. The further away I get from the pattern the worse the 
> quality is going to be.
>
> I've never lost a customer's part and I've never returned the parts in 
> worse condition than they were sent to me.  If you send more pieces 
> and pack them with as much care as that first group of castings and 
> ask for delivery confirmation we won't have any problems.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" 
> <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:43 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
>
>
>>  G'day all..little chilly here;
>>
>>  Thot I'd post this to the SEL and maybe get more ideas.
>>
>>  Off and on I get requests from someone looking for a casting.  
>> Lately it's a belt tensioner for a Galloway Sawing Outfit.  Now I'm 
>> more than willing to remove this and send it to Rowlands so he can 
>> use it for a pattern/mold..whatever.  But isn't there an easier way???
>>
>>  Could I make a mold out of say expanding type foam insulation and 
>> send it to you Rick???
>>
>>
>>  Seems like this would be a good idea and terrifically reduce the 
>> shipping costs plus I'd keep my iron.
>>
>>
>>  Any comments??
>>
>>  RickinMt. _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 
>
>
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>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec  2 08:00:46 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:00:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl><001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV61476A51ED9D48D596CC2BB4C0@phx.gbl>




>
> Here is a belt tensioner pattern and follow board for the IHC Famous
> sawrig. Whip up a pattern of your belt tensioner in wood and you'll be
> able to make all the new ones you and your buddies want. It's really not
> bad one you get into it. Use something soft like poplar or mahogany and
> you'll have an easy job.
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Patterns/8Famous/Fork2.htm
>
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC


  You do GOOD work, Curt.  Don't think I have the patience.  Having the 
right tools sure helps.

  As far as my belt tensioner goes, that subject is on that other list and 
he hasn't replied.

  The New Way is coming also fine, ready for the top coat of paint.  This 
engine is sure an education for me.  Closed, wet, crankcase, the cc vent 
(for lack of a better word), goes thru a checkvalve and then up to lube the 
fan shaft.  Some say to put an oiler up there also, which I'll do if I need 
to.

  This engine has 5 rings with one way below the wrist pin.  I wonder if 
that ring is to prevent excessive blow by and thus increased cc pressure.

  Ah yes..what fun it is...even at 5 above zero

  Well headed for the shed..thanks much


RickinMt. 


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 04:03:34 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:03:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
References: <BAY109-DAV2166343D27CDC803FE53E1BB480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003a01c5f738$6b9fa120$4672a418@pengy>

Rickinmt,

What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the finger 
back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.

Rickinoh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


>  Howdy all;
>
>  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of 
> whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat looking 
> fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the 
> blade is riveted to.
>
> Pix at:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
>
> Thanks gang
> RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 10:53:19 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:53:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Florida swap meet? 
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051201153007.0cc38480@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051202185319.58441.qmail@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

SEL,

Thanks to all that responded on and off list. Any one
going to the swap meet? This was on the
http://www.floridaflywheelers.org site.
 

 SWAP MEET 
Jan. 11-15, 2006 
  19th Annual Old Engine
  and Tractor show with 
  special swap meet
Gates open: 8AM-5PM
Days open: Wed - Sun

Thanks, Jim

> 




Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com


		
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 14:40:19 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:40:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Question for Rowlands
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<BAY109-DAV61476A51ED9D48D596CC2BB4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c5f791$5fb2f750$4672a418@pengy>

Hey Curt when you sending me that belt tensioner pattern?  Looks like 
something I could really sink my teeth into!

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for Rowlands


>
>
>
>>
>> Here is a belt tensioner pattern and follow board for the IHC Famous
>> sawrig. Whip up a pattern of your belt tensioner in wood and you'll be
>> able to make all the new ones you and your buddies want. It's really not
>> bad one you get into it. Use something soft like poplar or mahogany and
>> you'll have an easy job.
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Patterns/8Famous/Fork2.htm
>>
>> Curt Holland
>> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>  You do GOOD work, Curt.  Don't think I have the patience.  Having the 
> right tools sure helps.
>
>  As far as my belt tensioner goes, that subject is on that other list and 
> he hasn't replied.
>
>  The New Way is coming also fine, ready for the top coat of paint.  This 
> engine is sure an education for me.  Closed, wet, crankcase, the cc vent 
> (for lack of a better word), goes thru a checkvalve and then up to lube 
> the fan shaft.  Some say to put an oiler up there also, which I'll do if I 
> need to.
>
>  This engine has 5 rings with one way below the wrist pin.  I wonder if 
> that ring is to prevent excessive blow by and thus increased cc pressure.
>
>  Ah yes..what fun it is...even at 5 above zero
>
>  Well headed for the shed..thanks much
>
>
> RickinMt. _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Fri Dec  2 15:22:59 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:22:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>

A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling foundry 
operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at work 
using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod Engine 
building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.

We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' x 
28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at 
least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 480VAC 
3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been 
cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an 
overhead service to the building.

I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly 
acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction 
furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and 
workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the 
capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of 
carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum. 
The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the 
largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.

I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been 
acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set 
up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to 
get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has 
quite a collection of oilfield engines.

Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 pound 
induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work. 
http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2

A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me the 
idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the 
Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go 
toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which 
we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from 
New York state.
http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Fri Dec  2 15:36:02 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:36:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <20051202.153603.1380.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Well Wink, you are smaller than you used to be.  But very real.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:52:02 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
> 
> My Ginger said I was a "Model husband" .......till I found out a 
> model is "a 
> small imitation of the real thing"!


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  2 16:04:40 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:04:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <20051202.153603.1380.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20051203000440.45995.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

You may be interested to know that I once starred in an X-rated movie....Shallow Throat.
  JM

rdhaskell at juno.com wrote:  Well Wink, you are smaller than you used to be.  But very real.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:52:02 EST WinkAndGinger at aol.com writes:
> In a message dated 12/1/2005 7:25:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
> deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk writes:
> 
> My Ginger said I was a "Model husband" .......till I found out a 
> model is "a 
> small imitation of the real thing"!
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From jbcast at charter.net  Fri Dec  2 17:40:04 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 20:40:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
Message-ID: <4e53tr$1efa8tq@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net>


I would call the Springfield a copy, it's certainly real but not an original. A copy of the Mona Lisa is nice but not worth what the original is. Copy's of old manuals and literature are nice to have but not as valuable as the original. If it's being passed as an original then it's a counterfit, much like counterfit money.
J.B. Castagnos


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Fri Dec  2 21:42:52 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (jswaite)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:42:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 1
References: <200512011700.jB1H035Q020982@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00d801c5f7cc$6743c1d0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>


Subject: Fwd: A Christmas poem

'Twas the night before Christmas,
And Santa's a wreck...
How to live in a world
That's "Politically Correct"?

His workers no longer
Would answer to "Elves",
"Vertically Challenged",
They're calling themselves.

And labour conditions
At the North Pole,
Were alleged by their union
To stifle the soul!

Four reindeer had vanished,
(Without much propriety),
Released to the wilds
By the Humane Society.

The runners had been
Removed from the sleigh,
The ruts were termed "Dangerous!"
By the Australian E.P.A.

And people had started
To call up the cops,
When they heard sleigh noises
Upon their rooftops.

Second hand pipe smoke
Had Santa's staff frightened,
His fur-trimmed red suit
Was called "Unenlightened".

And as for the gifts,
Why he'd never had the notion,
That him making a choice,
Could cause such commotion!

Nothing of leather,
Nothing of fur,
Which meant nothing for him'
And nothing for her!

Nothing that might be
Construed to pollute;
Nothing to aim,
And nothing to shoot.

Nothing that clamoured,
Or made a loud noise;
Nothing for just girls,
Or nothing just for boys.

Nothing that claimed
To be gender-specific;
Nothing that's war-like,
Or deemed non-pacific.

No candy or sweets,
They are bad for the tooth;
Nothing that seemed
To embellish the truth.

No baseball, no football,
Someone could get hurt!
Besides, playing sports
Exposed kids to dirt.

So Santa just stood there,
Dishevelled, perplexed,
He could not figure out
Just what to do next.

He tried to be merry,
He tried to be gay,
But you've got to be careful
With "That Word" today!

His sack was quite empty,
And limp to the ground,
Nothing fully acceptable
Was there to be found.

Something special was needed,
A gift that he might,
Give to all, without angering
The Left or the Right.

So here is that gift,
It's price beyond worth:
"May you and your loved ones
Enjoy Peace on Earth!"




Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Fri Dec  2 11:32:03 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:32:03 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Message from Ria
References: <43900BC1.2090609@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002301c5f777$127f51f0$3775833e@amd>

Hi all,

I'm just back from John's funeral.
It was good to see how many people were there to say goodbey.
There were so many people that there weren't even enough chairs.
I saw the flowers from SEL and old-engine list. 
Right now I have no words left.
It was a sad day......

Harry,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:54 AM
Subject: [SEL] Message from Ria


> Hi All
> 
> I received a message from Ria and family last night which I'm sure she'd 
> want me to pass on to you:
> 
> *********
> 
> We would like to thank you, as wel as all the listmembers who joined in, 
> for the beautiful flowers.
> We appreciate all the attention and simpaty. It's so heartwarming to 
> read that so many people learned from his deep knowledge of
> engines and all kinds of things mechanical.
> Tomorrow will be a day of great sadness when we have to say goodbye for 
> the very last time...
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ria
> Simone, Klaas & Sten
> Jeroen, Esther
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 07:23:35 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:23:35 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
References: <BAY109-DAV2166343D27CDC803FE53E1BB480@phx.gbl>
	<003a01c5f738$6b9fa120$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV17BC98551DE252D067A5C4BB4F0@phx.gbl>

I haven't tried to straighten it yet Rick.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


> Rickinmt,
>
> What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the finger
> back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.
>
> Rickinoh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
>
> >  Howdy all;
> >
> >  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of
> > whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat 
> > looking
> > fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the
> > blade is riveted to.
> >
> > Pix at:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
> >
> > Thanks gang
> > RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 08:42:40 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 08:42:40 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <001201c5f828$93fae1c0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Rick,

A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and 
pour steel and iron?

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling foundry
operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at work
using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod Engine
building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.

We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' x
28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 480VAC
3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
overhead service to the building.

I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.

I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
quite a collection of oilfield engines.

Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 pound
induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2

A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me the
idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
New York state.
http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From oiseming at moscow.com  Sat Dec  3 08:43:13 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:43:13 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV17BC98551DE252D067A5C4BB4F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200512031643.jB3GhJMY097469@mail-gw.fsr.net>

Rick, some iron castings I got for building a hot air engine were badly
warped right out of the foundry.  I straightened them by heating them
red-hot, then clamping them to a fire brick.  

I'm sure you could do the same with yours.  Remember, not all castings are
iron; some are steel.  If your part was bent cold, I seriously doubt it is
cast iron.  I've never known it to bend significantly without breaking.  

Regards, 

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Strobel
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:24 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast

I haven't tried to straighten it yet Rick.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


> Rickinmt,
>
> What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the finger
> back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.
>
> Rickinoh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
>
> >  Howdy all;
> >
> >  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of
> > whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat 
> > looking
> > fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what the
> > blade is riveted to.
> >
> > Pix at:
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
> >
> > Thanks gang
> > RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
_______________________________________________
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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec  3 09:04:03 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:04:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
References: <200512031643.jB3GhJMY097469@mail-gw.fsr.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1855300494C94605E547FABB4F0@phx.gbl>

Ok, thanks Orrin.  I thought I'd better ask first as I've had the experience 
with several types of metal where one only gets "One Bend," and then the 
sinking feeling sets in.  I think I can get that small area red hot with a 
propane torch.

  Take Care,
Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orrin Iseminger" <oiseming at moscow.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast


> Rick, some iron castings I got for building a hot air engine were badly
> warped right out of the foundry.  I straightened them by heating them
> red-hot, then clamping them to a fire brick.
>
> I'm sure you could do the same with yours.  Remember, not all castings are
> iron; some are steel.  If your part was bent cold, I seriously doubt it is
> cast iron.  I've never known it to bend significantly without breaking.
>
> Regards,
>
> Orrin
>
> Orrin Iseminger
> Colton, Washington, USA
> http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
> So many projects.  So little time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Strobel
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:24 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
> I haven't tried to straighten it yet Rick.
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
>
>
> > Rickinmt,
> >
> > What did you come up with on that fan?  If you break it bending the 
> > finger
> > back just throw the parts in a box and send it my way.
> >
> > Rickinoh
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] Straightening fragile cast
> >
> >
> > >  Howdy all;
> > >
> > >  On the New Way Fan one of the cast iron fingers/spokes is way out of
> > > whack and needs to be put back in track.  Can I heat this somewhat
> > > looking
> > > fragile part dull red or ? and bend it back in place?  This is what 
> > > the
> > > blade is riveted to.
> > >
> > > Pix at:
> > >
> > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/471840701OUKPfP
> > >
> > > Thanks gang
> > > RickinsnowyMt. _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From dotto at velocitus.net  Sat Dec  3 09:07:28 2005
From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:07:28 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <001801c5f82c$0d829bc0$0200a8c0@DD1BF421>

Rick,

That building has a lot of class, looks like with a little work it will
make a nice foundry.

I have a couple of small rocker arm castings I will need to have cast.
The brass reproductions that I have are really lousy and I'm not too
fired up about using them. I'm going to attempt to make patterns for
them; we'll see how that goes.


Dave

Dave Otto
Boise, Idaho



-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Rowlands
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:23 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry

A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling
foundry 
operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at
work 
using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod
Engine 
building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.






From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Dec  3 10:30:35 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>
	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
	<001201c5f828$93fae1c0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <02ed01c5f837$a6de3f80$4672a418@pengy>

Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> Hi Rick,
>
> A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
> pour steel and iron?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
> A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
> foundry
> operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
> work
> using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
> Engine
> building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>
> We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' 
> x
> 28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
> least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
> 480VAC
> 3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
> cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
> overhead service to the building.
>
> I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
> acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
> furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
> workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
> capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
> carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
> The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
> largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>
> I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
> acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
> up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
> get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
> quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>
> Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
> pound
> induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>
> A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
> the
> idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
> Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
> toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
> we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
> New York state.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sat Dec  3 10:58:57 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:58:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY109-DAV17004F134435D8C95AF157BB4D0@phx.gbl>
	<001501c5f6d1$c64ab630$4672a418@pengy>	<43906066.4000000@imc-group.com>
	<006701c5f797$55918650$4672a418@pengy>
	<001201c5f828$93fae1c0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
	<02ed01c5f837$a6de3f80$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <005801c5f83b$9d9e66d0$d74a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Thanks Rick, I appreciate the answer!
Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> Hi Rick,
>
> A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
> pour steel and iron?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
> A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling
> foundry
> operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at
> work
> using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod
> Engine
> building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>
> We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25'
> x
> 28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
> least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had
> 480VAC
> 3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
> cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
> overhead service to the building.
>
> I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
> acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
> furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
> workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
> capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
> carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
> The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
> largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>
> I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
> acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
> up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
> get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
> quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>
> Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300
> pound
> induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>
> A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me
> the
> idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
> Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
> toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
> we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
> New York state.
> http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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From BillMil357 at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 12:18:49 2005
From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:18:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
Message-ID: <243.2ca3d6b.30c357a9@aol.com>

Rick, what are the vats made from, so they don't melt with the  iron ?
 
Thanks, Bill Miller


From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  3 12:36:04 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:36:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <02ed01c5f837$a6de3f80$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F19AF256113ED14B5405586954F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Rick, Can you explain how an induction furnace works? Is that big coil 
heated with electricity? Thanks, Steve


>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
>
>Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>>Hi Rick,
>>
>>A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
>>pour steel and iron?
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>>Hemet, CA
>>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>
>>
>>A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
>>foundry
>>operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
>>work
>>using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
>>Engine
>>building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>>
>>We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' 
>>x
>>28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
>>least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
>>480VAC
>>3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
>>cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
>>overhead service to the building.
>>
>>I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a newly
>>acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
>>furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
>>workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
>>capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
>>carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and aluminum.
>>The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
>>largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>>
>>I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
>>acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could set
>>up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment to
>>get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
>>quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>>
>>Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
>>pound
>>induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
>>http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>>
>>A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
>>the
>>idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
>>Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
>>toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines which
>>we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
>>New York state.
>>http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>>
>>Rick Rowlands
>>Tod Engine Works
>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>>and nonferrous castings
>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>330-728-2799
>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec  3 13:25:06 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:25:06 +1100
Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
In-Reply-To: <001901c5f67d$028f2e50$0200a8c0@athlon64>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051201231005.0265af98@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051204082247.02684ab0@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day List, sorry to take a while to reply. Thanks for the tips on  finding 
the second half of the A to Z's. Just always seem to be out of stock here 
on Oz; well at least every time I try to get one. Will give the locals one 
more go and see.
Regards Russell

PS: Hey Brian, hows you tank!


At 01:42 PM 1/12/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello Russell
>One place is: 
>http://www.kelsey-books.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?cat=Stationary_Engines&item=STE02
>
>Fred
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:18 PM
>Subject: [SEL] A to Z of Bristish S/engines
>
>
>>G'day all, the A to Z of bristish stationary engines the the pommies 
>>Wendles! I have the A to K book and would dearly love an L to Z copy! 
>>Anyone know where I may get one. Seem to be falling short of supply in Oz.
>>Russell
>>
>>Russell Gilbert
>>Sunny Sunraysia
>>russell at ncable.com.au
>>http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>>
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Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec  3 15:49:02 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:49:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <04fa01c5f68d$9f2a2c50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <120120051347.19231.438EFF0A0004218B00004B1F21602810609B04049A03@att.net>
	<04fa01c5f68d$9f2a2c50$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203184634.04418148@mail.alltel.net>


>  I like to do two coats, and if the
>metal is thin, rather than pour out the residual, let it settle on the thin
>side.  Rob

Hi Rob, You may want to check with Dale, but I believe that TWO COATS are 
not good since QP will not adhere to itself.
         Dave 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Dec  3 17:45:15 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:45:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <BAY108-F19AF256113ED14B5405586954F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <032601c5f874$5ff47c00$4672a418@pengy>

Picture an electrical transformer with the secondary leads (the wires that 
electricity come out of) wired together and short circuited.  Gets hot 
pretty quick right!  That is an induction furnace.  The primary coil is the 
copper coil which encircles the furnace crucible.  The secondary windings is 
the metal that you want to melt.  As you put power to the coil the magnetic 
fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of times per 
second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth creates heat 
and continues to make heat until the metal melts.

The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through 
the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up to 
3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 O3

The advantage of induction melting over any other form of melting is that 
there are no products of combustion to contaminate the metal.  So what you 
put in is what comes out, nothing more nothing less.  It is possible to very 
accurately produce certain grades of steel with an induction furnace.

The disadvantage of induction melting is the three big copper wires that 
come in from the road.  On my furnace the motor generator is driven by a 
motor which draws 93 amps at 480 volts.  My minimum electric bill will be 
$500 per month.  The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC 
60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Royster" <steve_royster at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> Hi Rick, Can you explain how an induction furnace works? Is that big coil 
> heated with electricity? Thanks, Steve
>
>
>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
>>
>>Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" <jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>
>>
>>>Hi Rick,
>>>
>>>A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
>>>pour steel and iron?
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>>>Hemet, CA
>>>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" 
>>><jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>>>Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>
>>>
>>>A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
>>>foundry
>>>operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
>>>work
>>>using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
>>>Engine
>>>building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>>>
>>>We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 25' 
>>>x
>>>28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
>>>least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
>>>480VAC
>>>3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has been
>>>cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
>>>overhead service to the building.
>>>
>>>I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a 
>>>newly
>>>acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
>>>furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
>>>workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
>>>capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
>>>carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and 
>>>aluminum.
>>>The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
>>>largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>>>
>>>I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
>>>acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could 
>>>set
>>>up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment 
>>>to
>>>get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and has
>>>quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>>>
>>>Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
>>>pound
>>>induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>>>
>>>A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
>>>the
>>>idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of the
>>>Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings go
>>>toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines 
>>>which
>>>we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one from
>>>New York state.
>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>>>
>>>Rick Rowlands
>>>Tod Engine Works
>>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>>>and nonferrous castings
>>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>>330-728-2799
>>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From jbcast at charter.net  Sat Dec  3 19:31:37 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:31:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
Message-ID: <4ik1e3$1o1144@mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net>



>  As you put power to the coil the magnetic 
> fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of times per 
> second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth creates heat 
> and continues to make heat until the metal melts.
> 
> The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through 
> the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up to 
> 3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 O3

You could turn on an induction furnace, reach in and touch the bottom, but if you have a ring on your finger it will melt off before you get to the bottom.
J.B. Castagnos


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec  4 01:16:44 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:16:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
References: <20051202031208.27733.qmail@web25512.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c5f8b3$76c3e030$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I think "Cabin Fever" has hit and an argument is needed!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Everett" 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Dec  4 05:33:52 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:33:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <4ik1e3$1o1144@mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <038e01c5f8d7$5dfa77c0$4672a418@pengy>

On the 300 pounder at work if I put in a 200 pound solid chunk of steel and 
turn on the furnace I cannot touch it after about 10 seconds.  Gets that hot 
that quick.

Rick

PS I wonder how many people have had their rings melted off or at least burn 
into their fingers?   You would never think that would happen until it does.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jbcast at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


>
>
>>  As you put power to the coil the magnetic
>> fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of times 
>> per
>> second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth creates 
>> heat
>> and continues to make heat until the metal melts.
>>
>> The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through
>> the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up 
>> to
>> 3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 
>> O3
>
> You could turn on an induction furnace, reach in and touch the bottom, but 
> if you have a ring on your finger it will melt off before you get to the 
> bottom.
> J.B. Castagnos
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 06:59:12 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:59:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
Message-ID: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:

<< The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC 
 60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>


Rick,

There is much in the world for us to learn! 

 Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop, etc.  
Good luck with everything.

Thanks,

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sun Dec  4 07:36:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:36:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV20EEF009F29D41E221113DBB4E0@phx.gbl>

I'd like to see a video, once it's up and running, or possibly a DVD. 
Whatcha think Rick??

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>
> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>
>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop, 
> etc.
> Good luck with everything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sun Dec  4 08:09:32 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:09:32 +0200
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2 
clamps he has acquired. Although "Off Topic" can you please have a look. 
They are woodworking clamps by the look of things and, who knows, maybe 
they could be used when building an engine transporter and that would make 
it "On Topic" (Grin).
         Thanks - please look here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/clamps.htm>

I leave it to you to reply directly to me or to the list - your choice

Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec  4 08:38:02 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 08:38:02 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203184634.04418148@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Hi Rob, You may want to check with Dale, but I believe that 
> TWO COATS are  not good since QP will not adhere to itself.
>          Dave 

Hiya Dave,
Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because I do the
second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's still soft.
Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been KP'ed
and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?

Rob


 



From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sun Dec  4 08:50:22 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:50:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?
Message-ID: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>

I purchased a stover 3 hp model w recently, and it came with an item i am not sure about. It looks like an offset funnel maybe for fueling?  Its made out of copper and quite thin. Did the old engines come with accessories like that?   Tom

From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Dec  4 09:01:48 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:01:48 -0000
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

They put me in mind of "sash cramps" - used in the construction of sash
window frames, and anything big in wood that needs clamping while the glue
in the joints sets off.  They are not like any sash cramp I have seen
before, though.  I wonder if they were used for bending wood?  It looks as
though both pieces have the facility to be retightened progressively during
the job.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jerry Evans
> Sent: 04 December 2005 16:10
> To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
> Cc: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
> 
> Hi The Lists,
>          I have received an eMail from a friend asking to 
> help identify 2 
> clamps he has acquired. 




From WinkAndGinger at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 09:08:12 2005
From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:08:12 EST
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
Message-ID: <12b.6aecbd57.30c47c7c@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/4/2005 8:22:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:


> I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2 
> clamps he has acquired

Hi Jerry,
The one on the right is a skyhook and the left one installs muffler 
bearings....I think!

Wink & Ginger Thornton, 
Yucca Valley Ca., USA
KG6TVW, KG6TVV
The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=


From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Dec  4 09:31:13 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:31:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <200512041131185.SM00716@wrbpc>

John Deere engines came with a simple funnel.  I bet there were others.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:50 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?

I purchased a stover 3 hp model w recently, and it came with an item i am
not sure about. It looks like an offset funnel maybe for fueling?  Its made
out of copper and quite thin. Did the old engines come with accessories like
that?   Tom
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Dec  4 10:06:18 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 13:06:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
	<BAY109-DAV20EEF009F29D41E221113DBB4E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <03e001c5f8fd$6d025190$4672a418@pengy>

Well you know me.  Anything to make a buck for the Tod Engine!

BTW The long awaited Tod Engine DVD is getting closer to being released. 
Gotta email the producer and see how far along he is with it.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> I'd like to see a video, once it's up and running, or possibly a DVD. 
> Whatcha think Rick??
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>>
>> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>>
>>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop, 
>> etc.
>> Good luck with everything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>> Concord, Va. USA
>> Germoamer at aol.com
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Dec  4 14:04:48 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:04:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <12b.6aecbd57.30c47c7c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051204140254.01bd9aa0@mail.pennswoods.net>

At 12:08 PM 12/4/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/4/2005 8:22:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>jerrye at databak.co.za writes:
>[[[[[[A Lookes like a roller for makeing bows]]]]]]]]
>
> > I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 2
> > clamps he has acquired
>[[[[[[[[If it is a sky hook it the left one]]]]]]]]]
>Hi Jerry,
>The one on the right is a skyhook and the left one installs muffler
>bearings....I think! [[[[[ No it is a remover]]]]]]]]
>
>Wink & Ginger Thornton,
>Yucca Valley Ca., USA
>KG6TVW, KG6TVV
>The older the violin....the sweeter the music!
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw=
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From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Dec  4 11:41:19 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:41:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
	<BAY109-DAV20EEF009F29D41E221113DBB4E0@phx.gbl>
	<03e001c5f8fd$6d025190$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <007f01c5f90a$b322aaf0$6c426e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

A CD that I would like to buy is seeing the whole casting process.  All the 
way from preparing the sand to the pour to the finished product.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


Well you know me.  Anything to make a buck for the Tod Engine!

BTW The long awaited Tod Engine DVD is getting closer to being released.
Gotta email the producer and see how far along he is with it.

Rick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> I'd like to see a video, once it's up and running, or possibly a DVD.
> Whatcha think Rick??
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>>
>> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>>
>>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop,
>> etc.
>> Good luck with everything.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom Schmutz
>> Concord, Va. USA
>> Germoamer at aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
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From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  4 12:48:22 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:48:22 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Bob Bromps
In-Reply-To: <004d01c5f8b3$76c3e030$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBOEAAEMAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>

Reg,
Have you noticed that the Pacific Model Design web site has disappeared?
http://www.pacificmodeldesign.com/

Carl



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec  4 13:36:19 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:36:19 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Bob Bromps
References: <HFENKHBDMNLNBAHEKCIBOEAAEMAA.kd7bfn@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <018501c5f91a$c5ba3d30$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Yes, I did pick that up.
Marv Hedburg has a friend in Bend who is supposed to chase and get my wheels 
but, no news yet.
I never got any reply from the Dept Justice.
AND, Still no bloody wheels!!
How are you going with it all?
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Carlsen" <kd7bfn at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:48 AM
Subject: [SEL] Bob Bromps


> Reg,
> Have you noticed that the Pacific Model Design web site has disappeared?
> http://www.pacificmodeldesign.com/
>
> Carl
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  4 18:02:46 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:02:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel funnel?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>
References: <000c01c5f8f2$d1b373e0$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051204210227.044c2d70@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:50 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>I purchased a stover 3 hp model w recently, and it came with an item i am 
>not sure about. It looks like an offset funnel maybe for fueling?  Its 
>made out of copper and quite thin. Did the old engines come with 
>accessories like that?   Tom

Yes
         Dave 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec  4 18:05:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:05:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
	<20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051204210418.0226cd40@mail.alltel.net>

At 12:01 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>They put me in mind of "sash cramps" - used in the construction of sash
>window frames, and anything big in wood that needs clamping while the glue
>in the joints sets off.  They are not like any sash cramp I have seen
>before, though.  I wonder if they were used for bending wood?  It looks as
>though both pieces have the facility to be retightened progressively during
>the job.
>Regards
>      Pete

Like Pete I have NO IDEA what the hell they might have been used for. Just 
takes me less time to say it!
         Dave



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Dec  4 21:44:07 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 21:44:07 -0800
Subject: [SEL] California show
Message-ID: <20051204.214407.800.2.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi all.
My local club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates)  was again invited
to participate in the Victorian Christmas celebration at Lake Forest
(just South of Irvine CA).  Pictures at:

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31983879&f=0

 After the clouds cleared it was a warm sunny day.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec  5 03:51:44 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:51:44 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <439429D0.7090206@wightman.ca>

Nice clamps. Haven't a clue what they are for but probably used at one 
time for a engine related task!

Duncan


Jerry Evans wrote:

> Hi The Lists,
>         I have received an eMail from a friend asking to help identify 
> 2 clamps he has acquired. Although "Off Topic" can you please have a 
> look. They are woodworking clamps by the look of things and, who 
> knows, maybe they could be used when building an engine transporter 
> and that would make it "On Topic" (Grin).
>         Thanks - please look here:
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/clamps.htm>
>
> I leave it to you to reply directly to me or to the list - your choice
>
> Best Regards
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
> Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
> www.oldengine.org/members/evans 
> ---
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>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec  5 04:00:45 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:00:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
Message-ID: <20051205120042.TXSM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Another good engine weekend in Oz. I worked a 16 hour shift on Friday, had 4
hours sleep and then headed south to the rally in Young (you have got to be
a little crazy in this hobby). 5 hours later I was unloading the YC Stover
in the picturesque grounds where the rally is held. 
This has to have been the biggest rally they have held with an impressive
roll up of engines. Pics at:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/y051.html
I won a trophy for the YC for Champion feature vertical, Reg got one for his
models and Brock won Champion overall for his lovely vertical White.
All in all it was an excellent weekend apart from an idiot almost running
over my mother and succeeding in running over my dog! Thankfully Shannon
seems to be OK but she was a bit upset (and strong words were had with the
safety officer).
Still, it was a great rally in a great location.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec  5 04:14:49 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:14:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
Message-ID: <00ee01c5f995$7e24c730$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi All
I went to the Young Rally this past weekend and had a great time, a chance 
to catch up with a lot of engine people and see one of the best display's of 
engines and Tractors I have ever seen. It started off  wet and rained very 
heavy on the Friday but improved as the weekend progressed ( Sunday finished 
up being hot ).
      Some of our List members were rewarded  for all their hard work and it 
was well deserved (Brock summerfield, Patrick Livingstone and Reg Ingold ) 
but I will leave that to them to explain for themselves, Well done boy's.
      Saturday evening we went down to watch the street parade, it was 
enormous, it seemed to go on forever, then came back to the evening dinner 
and the presentations. A great time was had by all.
Cheers Cam
Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia
ponchie at ozemail.com.au 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Mon Dec  5 05:00:52 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 00:00:52 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
References: <20051205120042.TXSM18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>
Message-ID: <000901c5f99b$ed4e35a0$1a85dccb@oemcomputer>

Well done as usual mate.Congrats on your award.I had a great time and my 6hp
Famous and 2.5hp Famous ran really good all weekend without any trouble at
all.It was great to see Brock get the award for the White.He has done a
great job on it when you consider how it was when he got it.There are only 3
of these known to exist any where.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick M Livingstone" <pml1 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Stationary Engine Mailing List" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:00
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 05:23:04 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:23:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Young Rally
Message-ID: <221.4a466d9.30c59938@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/5/2005 7:24:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes:

<< Another good engine weekend in Oz. >>


Patrick,

The Kelly Lewis sure does have some extensive weld repairs!  

Would you know what the interesting rotary mag driven by the flywheel is on 
the 6 Famous?  Do not believe I have ever seen one before.  

The cherry pitter is a neat high production unit. 

Thanks for all the photos to look at on a snowy Monday morning in central 
Virginia!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 05:53:54 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:53:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051203184634.04418148@mail.alltel.net>
	<013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205084740.04467c58@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:38 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
> > Hi Rob, You may want to check with Dale, but I believe that
> > TWO COATS are  not good since QP will not adhere to itself.
> >          Dave
>Hiya Dave,
>Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been KP'ed
>and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?
>Rob

Hi Rob,
         Somewhere I think I heard something about etching the QP before re 
coating an old application. Not sure, however, what should be used for the 
etching. Perhaps Charlie or Joe would know.
         Dave
PS, I know that I once used QP on a new tank with BAD results. It did not 
adhere to the inside of the tank and flaked off after a brief time. I 
suspect that I should have cleaned the inside of the tank with acid prior 
to using the QP. That was MY FAULT and in NO WAY the fault of the QP!



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Dec  5 09:05:57 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:05:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly
Message-ID: <001801c5f9be$296c6800$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Seeing that I am the one that introduced Kwik Poly to the SEL guys  I will look in my
files and see what information I might have and more history of it. It was developed by
my friend Harold Bowden who passed away a few years ago with Lou Gerhigs.  Harold lived in St. Charles, Missouri only a few miles from me and belonged to our Tractor and Engine Club.
Before retirement he worked for Frontier and Ozark airlines and it was those years that
a sealant was developed for the fuel tanks of there airplanes. Like myself ,and a few 
other famous people like Joe Kelley, He was a native of Maine. The antique car market
was his main market as was boat builders in Maine. He himself was heavily into antiques
especially Model T Fords. A few years back he had a 2 day auction just on his Model
T 's and parts (enough parts to put together several autos). More later.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine (where it will soon be ice fishing time)





From jlwiley123 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec  5 09:30:32 2005
From: jlwiley123 at earthlink.net (James Wiley)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:30:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Springs
Message-ID: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Can anyone recommend a spring winding company that will do small quantities of springs?  I need 2 different kinds of springs wound for the fuel pump on my 25 HP Fairbanks Morse Y Motor.  I have done some google searches on the web and sent inquiries to a several companies, but so far haven't received a reply.  I am assuming that they aren't interested in doing a half dozen or so springs for me...

I have drawings I got from FM that have all the specs...

In case you are curious, I have a few pictures on my motor on my web site:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jlwiley123/index.html

Thanks

James Wiley
jlwiley123 at earthlink.net


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec  5 09:40:43 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:40:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Rob,

The only bad experience I've had with Kwic-Poly was on a new tank that was
leaking when I first put gas into it.  This was at Coolspring and all I
did was drain the gas out, mix up a batch of KP and pour it in.  It held
nicely for most of the season, then began coming off.  Ever try and remove
loose KP through a 3/4" filler neck?  Not fun!

As I had borrowed the KP (of indeterminate age), I ordered a new batch
from either Charlie Bryant or Joe Kelley.  This time I used some
dishwashing detergent to thoroughly clean the inside of the tank and I
made sure it was dry inside.  Then did the KP.  That job has held
beautifully for 4 or 5 years now.  So that was KP over (some still
adhering) KP.  No special treatment other than a really good cleaning.

I've done other tanks with full success; just making sure that they were
clean before adding the KP.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:

> Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because I do the
> second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's still soft.
> Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been KP'ed
> and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?


From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 10:06:49 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:06:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] Springs
Message-ID: <296.1195e52.30c5dbb9@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/5/2005 12:58:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jlwiley123 at earthlink.net writes:

<< Can anyone recommend a spring winding company that will do small 
quantities of springs?  >>


James,

Someone posted a number of pages a while ago on how to make your own springs.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MakingSprings/Thumbnails.html

I knew a Jim Wiley from Indianapolis about 20 years ago. 

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec  5 10:18:01 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 13:18:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
In-Reply-To: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43948459.70904@imc-group.com>

James,
I have always found the needed k-rate, spring length, or diameter in the 
massive spring book from Century Spring. You can do the online thing, 
but I find the catalog much more useful. You can order this online too.
http://www.centuryspring.com/
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

James Wiley wrote:

>Can anyone recommend a spring winding company that will do small quantities of springs?  I need 2 different kinds of springs wound for the fuel pump on my 25 HP Fairbanks Morse Y Motor.  I have done some google searches on the web and sent inquiries to a several companies, but so far haven't received a reply.  I am assuming that they aren't interested in doing a half dozen or so springs for me...
>
>I have drawings I got from FM that have all the specs...
>
>In case you are curious, I have a few pictures on my motor on my web site:
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~jlwiley123/index.html
>
>Thanks
>
>James Wiley
>jlwiley123 at earthlink.net
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 11:04:07 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 14:04:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Arnie and Rob,
         I spoke with Dale Portrell moments ago and asked him what he 
recommends for 'etching" Kwik-Poly prior to re coating it. (Dale is the guy 
who is now manufacturing the stuff. He is at 314.344.8881.) Dale says that 
they have not really found anything that does a good job of scratching the 
surface of Kwik-Poly, but that plastic blasting beads might be worth a 
try--if you can fine them. Put them in the tank and shake the hell out of 
it! He recommends using muriatic (sp?) acid (50/50 w/water) prior to using 
K-P in a gasoline tank--even an old rusty one. (Remember "do what you 
otter, add acid to water!) He thinks that a stronger solution of the acid 
might etch the K-P itself, but didn't know for sure. I'll try that after my 
K-P arrives from Dale and (if I can remember) let the List know what 
works/doesn't work.
         Dave

At 12:40 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Rob,
>
>The only bad experience I've had with Kwic-Poly was on a new tank that was
>leaking when I first put gas into it.  This was at Coolspring and all I
>did was drain the gas out, mix up a batch of KP and pour it in.  It held
>nicely for most of the season, then began coming off.  Ever try and remove
>loose KP through a 3/4" filler neck?  Not fun!
>
>As I had borrowed the KP (of indeterminate age), I ordered a new batch
>from either Charlie Bryant or Joe Kelley.  This time I used some
>dishwashing detergent to thoroughly clean the inside of the tank and I
>made sure it was dry inside.  Then did the KP.  That job has held
>beautifully for 4 or 5 years now.  So that was KP over (some still
>adhering) KP.  No special treatment other than a really good cleaning.
>
>I've done other tanks with full success; just making sure that they were
>clean before adding the KP.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because I 
> do the
> > second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's 
> still soft.
> > Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously been 
> KP'ed
> > and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?
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From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec  5 12:18:25 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:18:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>

Arnie, Dave, Rob,
For what it is worth each tank I have QP'd I have gotten the solids out 
and then add a 1/2 cup of lacquer thinner. Cover the openings with my 
hands and slosh the stuff all around. On old tanks this cuts the 
gasoline deposits and varnish. On new tanks this removes the rolling 
mill oils and oils/dirt that got on the tank when it was being made.
I'll wash additional times until the lacquer thinner comes out clean. 
Then I put an air hose in the tank and set the regulator on about 3-5 
psi and blow a slow stream of compressed air in the tank evaporating any 
of the lacquer thinner away.
I'll mix up the correct amount of QP and roll it around in the tank 
until it sets. I do NOT pour the excess off. You'd mixed it you might as 
well use it. If the tank was rusty and thin I'll make sure the heaviest 
amount of QP is on he bottom where the rust was. I do no multi coats.
So far I have had NO failures with QP using this process.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. True story.....muriatic and galvanized together is an unpleasant 
reaction. Lot of heat and wicked yellow fumes that will rip your lungs 
out. In my teenage years I used to get gal. sheet metal from the local 
HVAC place and etch the gal. off and use the metal to patch rusty car 
fenders. I killed a whole section of mom's prized hedges with those 
yellow vapors! She was PISSED!

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Arnie and Rob,
>         I spoke with Dale Portrell moments ago and asked him what he 
> recommends for 'etching" Kwik-Poly prior to re coating it. (Dale is 
> the guy who is now manufacturing the stuff. He is at 314.344.8881.) 
> Dale says that they have not really found anything that does a good 
> job of scratching the surface of Kwik-Poly, but that plastic blasting 
> beads might be worth a try--if you can fine them. Put them in the tank 
> and shake the hell out of it! He recommends using muriatic (sp?) acid 
> (50/50 w/water) prior to using K-P in a gasoline tank--even an old 
> rusty one. (Remember "do what you otter, add acid to water!) He thinks 
> that a stronger solution of the acid might etch the K-P itself, but 
> didn't know for sure. I'll try that after my K-P arrives from Dale and 
> (if I can remember) let the List know what works/doesn't work.
>         Dave
>
> At 12:40 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> The only bad experience I've had with Kwic-Poly was on a new tank 
>> that was
>> leaking when I first put gas into it.  This was at Coolspring and all I
>> did was drain the gas out, mix up a batch of KP and pour it in.  It held
>> nicely for most of the season, then began coming off.  Ever try and 
>> remove
>> loose KP through a 3/4" filler neck?  Not fun!
>>
>> As I had borrowed the KP (of indeterminate age), I ordered a new batch
>> from either Charlie Bryant or Joe Kelley.  This time I used some
>> dishwashing detergent to thoroughly clean the inside of the tank and I
>> made sure it was dry inside.  Then did the KP.  That job has held
>> beautifully for 4 or 5 years now.  So that was KP over (some still
>> adhering) KP.  No special treatment other than a really good cleaning.
>>
>> I've done other tanks with full success; just making sure that they were
>> clean before adding the KP.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Rob Skinner wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks for the advice.  I suspect I've not run into trouble because 
>> I do the
>> > second coat within a few minutes of the first setting up, when it's 
>> still soft.
>> > Suppose I wanted to do a second coat on a tank that had previously 
>> been KP'ed
>> > and used for a few years.  Is there a procedure for that?
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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 13:28:00 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:28:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<43948459.70904@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

I second the motion on Century spring. I ordered from them last week for a 
current project. I believe they have a 30 dollar minimum. We have been using 
them at work for quite a while now with no problems.

John 




From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 13:32:22 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:32:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
	<4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

Thanks for the tip about the galvanized metal and the acid. I have a 
galvanized cooling tank to fix, anybody had luck with this stuff resisting 
heat and anti-freeze?

John 




From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec  5 14:07:37 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:07:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
In-Reply-To: <009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<43948459.70904@imc-group.com>
	<009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <4394BA29.60700@imc-group.com>

Funny how those springs for machines at work just happen to fit those 
gas engines isn't it ;-)
Curt

John Hall wrote:

> I second the motion on Century spring. I ordered from them last week 
> for a current project. I believe they have a 30 dollar minimum. We 
> have been using them at work for quite a while now with no problems.
>
> John
>
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From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Dec  5 14:15:51 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:15:51 -0000
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
Message-ID: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

    Hi all,
            I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
            The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the manufacturer.

        Thanks in advance,
                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland

From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  5 14:40:11 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:40:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
In-Reply-To: <032601c5f874$5ff47c00$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F28306AC217CAF54934ED8C95410@phx.gbl>

Thanks Rick, that explained it very clearly, however it sounds extremely 
expensive so I suppose when you crank up that furnace you better have a lot 
of castings to make! thanks , Steve


>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 20:45:15 -0500
>
>Picture an electrical transformer with the secondary leads (the wires that 
>electricity come out of) wired together and short circuited.  Gets hot 
>pretty quick right!  That is an induction furnace.  The primary coil is the 
>copper coil which encircles the furnace crucible.  The secondary windings 
>is the metal that you want to melt.  As you put power to the coil the 
>magnetic fields move the electrons in the metal back and forth thousands of 
>times per second.  That banging and crashing of electrons back and forth 
>creates heat and continues to make heat until the metal melts.
>
>The coil itself does not heat up, as a matter of fact water flows through 
>the coil to keep it cool. An inch or two away is molten metal ranging up to 
>3000 degrees.  The material that keeps the two seperated is Alumina, Al2 O3
>
>The advantage of induction melting over any other form of melting is that 
>there are no products of combustion to contaminate the metal.  So what you 
>put in is what comes out, nothing more nothing less.  It is possible to 
>very accurately produce certain grades of steel with an induction furnace.
>
>The disadvantage of induction melting is the three big copper wires that 
>come in from the road.  On my furnace the motor generator is driven by a 
>motor which draws 93 amps at 480 volts.  My minimum electric bill will be 
>$500 per month.  The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC 
>60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles.
>
>Rick Rowlands
>Tod Engine Works
>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>and nonferrous castings
>2261 Hubbard Road
>Youngstown, OH  44505
>330-728-2799
>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" 
><steve_royster at hotmail.com>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>
>
>>Hi Rick, Can you explain how an induction furnace works? Is that big coil 
>>heated with electricity? Thanks, Steve
>>
>>
>>>From: "Rick Rowlands" <jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 13:30:35 -0500
>>>
>>>Around 2750 for iron and 2950 for steel.
>>>
>>>Rick
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" 
>>><jd.kirkes at verizon.net>
>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 11:42 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Rick,
>>>>
>>>>A couple of curious questions.  What temperatures do you use to melt and
>>>>pour steel and iron?
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>Jim and Diane Kirkes
>>>>Hemet, CA
>>>>jd.kirkes at verizon.net
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" 
>>>><jrrowlands at neo.rr.com>
>>>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:22 PM
>>>>Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A few weeks ago I was given the opportunity to expand our fledgling 
>>>>foundry
>>>>operation to its own site.  Up until now I have been making castings at 
>>>>work
>>>>using my employer's furnace and have been waiting until I got the Tod 
>>>>Engine
>>>>building put up at the museum to start melting using our own furnace.
>>>>
>>>>We have been offered to rent a 40' x 40' brick building with attached 
>>>>25' x
>>>>28' concrete block garage addition.  The main part of the building is at
>>>>least 100 years old and has lots of character.  The building once had 
>>>>480VAC
>>>>3 phase fed underground from a building across the street.  This has 
>>>>been
>>>>cut off and we are in the process of having the electric company run an
>>>>overhead service to the building.
>>>>
>>>>I've already started moving in and am in the process of setting up a 
>>>>newly
>>>>acquired secondhand 50kw induction melting unit and 100 pound induction
>>>>furnace.  I've also moved an air compressor, welder, molding tables and
>>>>workbenches to the building.  When I am up and running I'll have the
>>>>capacity to melt and pour castings in iron, ductile iron, all grades of
>>>>carbon and alloy steel, stainless steel, copper based alloys and 
>>>>aluminum.
>>>>The furnace will have a maximum capacity of 125 pounds of steel so the
>>>>largest casting I can make with this unit will be 100 pounds.
>>>>
>>>>I am fortunate that this building became available and that I have been
>>>>acquiring equipment for years in anticipation for the day when I could 
>>>>set
>>>>up a workshop. I am not going to have too much of an upfront investment 
>>>>to
>>>>get things started.  The building owner is a gas engine collector and 
>>>>has
>>>>quite a collection of oilfield engines.
>>>>
>>>>Here are some pictures of the building, the 50kw power unit and a 300 
>>>>pound
>>>>induction furnace that I recently rebuilt at work.
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/180048461ppagnh/2
>>>>
>>>>A big thanks to Curt Holland who planted the seed a year ago and gave me 
>>>>the
>>>>idea to start a foundry.  The Tod Engine Works is set up as a part of 
>>>>the
>>>>Tod Engine Foundation, and all profits from the production of castings 
>>>>go
>>>>toward preserving the Mighty Tod Engine and two more smaller engines 
>>>>which
>>>>we have become caretakers of.  Our latest adopted engine is this one 
>>>>from
>>>>New York state.
>>>>http://community.webshots.com/album/512613592rLSddm
>>>>
>>>>Rick Rowlands
>>>>Tod Engine Works
>>>>Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
>>>>and nonferrous castings
>>>>2261 Hubbard Road
>>>>Youngstown, OH  44505
>>>>330-728-2799
>>>>www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>>>>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 14:59:29 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:59:29 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
	<4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>
	<00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205175317.0451f200@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:32 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks for the tip about the galvanized metal and the acid. I have a 
>galvanized cooling tank to fix, anybody had luck with this stuff resisting 
>heat and anti-freeze?
>John

Hi John, K-P is good from -37Fdegrees to +400F. You can be damn well sure 
that anti-freeze will NOT hurt it at all.
         Dave 



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 15:17:20 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:17:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
In-Reply-To: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <20051205231720.41538.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

CM-
  I am in Rochester, New York and have a bit of awareness of the Gould's company (Seneca Falls, NY...nearby).
  I''ll be glad to help in any way I can.
  Jim Moran
  (In a somewhat wet and a bit chilly New York/USA)

craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:      Hi all,
  I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by goulds.The pump  measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 brass  pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
  The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at  Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of  pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the  manufacturer.

        Thanks in advance,
                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland
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From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Dec  5 15:28:16 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 18:28:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
References: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <00ce01c5f9f3$92884360$c71117d1@net.telenet.net>

Goulds pump is still in business in Seneca Falls. They are now ITT
owned.

Goulds Pumps, ITT Industries
2881 East Bayard Street
Seneca Falls NY 13148
(315) 568-7123



Steve Williams

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny


    Hi all,
            I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by
goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the
3 brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170
pounds.
            The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine
shed at Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this
type of pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the
manufacturer.

        Thanks in advance,
                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Dec  5 15:44:16 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:44:16 +0800
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
References: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <001901c5f9f5$e83e06d0$cd9c81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Craig..............we restored a Tangy triple throw pump some years ago. At 
the time I found a site on the net in the UK . A group were restoring a 
Tangy engine and the same type of pump as ours. Sounded like a nice set up . 
Engine and pump in the original engine house with a glass panel for viewing. 
If you wish I can send you a pic of our pump ...we now drive it with a 
Ruston Proctor Steam Portable.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "craig morrison" <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:15 AM
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny


>    Hi all,
>            I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by 
> goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 
> brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 
> pounds.
>            The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed 
> at Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of 
> pump or its age would be very useful as would anything about the 
> manufacturer.
>
>        Thanks in advance,
>                                     Craig in a very wet Scotland
> _______________________________________________
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>
> 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 15:58:44 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:58:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <20051203000440.45995.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051202.153603.1380.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<20051203000440.45995.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205185624.044acde0@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:04 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>You may be interested to know that I once starred in an X-rated 
>movie....Shallow Throat.
>   JM

WOW JM, Linda Lovelace starred in the original didn't she?
         Dave   



From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec  5 10:21:03 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:21:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
Message-ID: <20051205.132858.812.8.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jim
Have you look at Curt Holland's site ?
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/Cardcatalog.htm


There is a section about winding your own springs.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 16:33:21 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:33:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] model, or not to model?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205185624.044acde0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051206003321.27788.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, that is true.  Her talent had a much  greater depth.  I know that is hard to swallow.   However....let's not get all choked up.
  JM

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:  At 07:04 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>You may be interested to know that I once starred in an X-rated 
>movie....Shallow Throat.
>   JM

WOW JM, Linda Lovelace starred in the original didn't she?
         Dave   

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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec  5 10:05:02 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:05:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] California show
Message-ID: <20051205.131526.812.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Nice pics, Ron and also - Patrick,

Good to view while enjoying my coffee on a cold 19 degree morning.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Mon Dec  5 17:42:44 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 01:42:44 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly
Message-ID: <20051205.174314.5755.57111@webmail03.lax.untd.com>

Yessah, I am a native Maine-ah. I even have the accent to prove it!!! I have only left the state on a few engine trips. Can't believe I am still here with all the money we have to pay in taxes for the privilege to live here and share the road with all the people from Massachusetts who can't stay home on the weekends. At least they could change their driving habits when they come to Maine, but then why would they want to do that and be NICE??? Just don't make eye contact.
You guys better use some acid and etch that new metal before using the Kwik Poly or as it is now known, XP 2000. You need to "rough" up the new metal so it will "stick". No problem with a rusty tank, and no need to pour any of it out, just keep "sloshing". I always try and sit the tank in the area that the residue will run toward a particular bad spot. Just fixed a cracked hopper (frost crack on the seam on the bottom) on a FM engine. I am still working off my kit of KP that I have had, but will need a new batch sometime. See ya, Joe Kelley
PS: Thanks Charlie for spelling Kelley correctly (it just doesn't look right with 5 letters in it!!!!)


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From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 18:02:25 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:02:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Springs
References: <21012557.1133803833429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<43948459.70904@imc-group.com><009b01c5f9e2$c55a9420$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<4394BA29.60700@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <003001c5fa09$1c6778c0$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

I wish!!!!!! When we order them its for a job. We used to use Lee Spring but 
several years ago they got too expensive and would only sell in larger lots. 
Not to mention they don't carry as much stock as Century.

John

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Springs


> Funny how those springs for machines at work just happen to fit those gas 
> engines isn't it ;-)
> Curt
>
> John Hall wrote:
>
>> I second the motion on Century spring. I ordered from them last week for 
>> a current project. I believe they have a 30 dollar minimum. We have been 
>> using them at work for quite a while now with no problems.
>>
>> John
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec  5 18:03:33 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:03:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik Poly
In-Reply-To: <20051205.174314.5755.57111@webmail03.lax.untd.com>
References: <20051205.174314.5755.57111@webmail03.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051205205843.045cde58@mail.alltel.net>

Yea Joe, Fine! But all this has been said (and resaid) before. The ONLY new 
information we need is how to etch the damn stuff after a first coat has 
been applied and left to cure for about two/three years. Any advice on that?
         Dave

At 08:42 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>You guys better use some acid and etch that new metal before using the 
>Kwik Poly or as it is now known, XP 2000. You need to "rough" up the new 
>metal so it will "stick". No problem with a rusty tank, and no need to 
>pour any of it out, just keep "sloshing". I always try and sit the tank in 
>the area that the residue will run toward a particular bad spot. Just 
>fixed a cracked hopper (frost crack on the seam on the bottom) on a FM 
>engine. I am still working off my kit of KP that I have had, but will need 
>a new batch sometime. See ya, Joe Kelley
>PS: Thanks Charlie for spelling Kelley correctly (it just doesn't look 
>right with 5 letters in it!!!!)



From jthall at worldnet.att.net  Mon Dec  5 18:05:33 2005
From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 21:05:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer><Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com><6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net><4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com><00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205175317.0451f200@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c5fa09$8b022370$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>

Thanks Dave. I beleive you posted a phone number for this stuff earlier but 
I already deleted it. Would you or someone else mind resending it? Off list 
is OK.

John Hall
jthall at worldnet.att.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Kwik-Poly


> At 04:32 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>>Thanks for the tip about the galvanized metal and the acid. I have a 
>>galvanized cooling tank to fix, anybody had luck with this stuff resisting 
>>heat and anti-freeze?
>>John
>
> Hi John, K-P is good from -37Fdegrees to +400F. You can be damn well sure 
> that anti-freeze will NOT hurt it at all.
>         Dave
> 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec  5 18:38:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon,  5 Dec 2005 21:38:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
In-Reply-To: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
References: <003801c5f9e9$838f7400$7c2a2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>
Message-ID: <1133836707.4394f9a305e0b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Craig,

I've got a Goulds pump catalog from 1910 that has 27 pages on triplex pumps from
the smallest (1-1/4" bore x 2" stroke, weight 85 lbs) up to the largest (14"
bore x 16" stroke, no weight listed).  They don't list any with a 2-1/4" bore
(2" and 2-1/2") and they only list one with a weight of 170 lbs (1-3/4" bore x
2-1/2" stroke).  The Goulds pumps usually have a tag or other identifier that
includes a "Figure" number that ties back to their catalogs.
Are there any identifiers on your pump?  Any chance of a pic?

BTW as of 1910 they had been in business for more than sixty years.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting craig morrison <benzengines at tiscali.co.uk>:

>             I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by
> goulds.The pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3
> brass pistons are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
>             The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at
> Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of pump
> or its age would be very useful as would anything about the manufacturer.




From mholland at rustyiron.com  Mon Dec  5 18:47:44 2005
From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:47:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date
Message-ID: <E1EjSro-0005aj-MH@megs36.100mwh.com>

Just got asked to help establish the mfg. date of Baker Monitor engine 
s/n 38992. I don't seem to have a s/n list in the literature Joe 
Prindle sent us. Can anyone look this up please?
Is this info on the net somewhere?
Curt Holland
In very cold 36F and rainy Gastona, NC





From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec  5 19:18:38 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:18:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date
In-Reply-To: <E1EjSro-0005aj-MH@megs36.100mwh.com>
Message-ID: <20051206031835.EZPN16720.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Late 1928.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


Just got asked to help establish the mfg. date of Baker Monitor engine 
s/n 38992. I don't seem to have a s/n list in the literature Joe 
Prindle sent us. Can anyone look this up please?
Is this info on the net somewhere?
Curt Holland
In very cold 36F and rainy Gastona, NC



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From christison at coastalnet.com  Mon Dec  5 19:31:38 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:31:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
Message-ID: <410-2200512263313815@coastalnet.com>

Here is a page from a 1920 hardware catalog that lists a 2-1/4 bore triplex
pump.  http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/misc/goulds-1920.jpg
Doesn't list weights, so can't tell whether this fits the bill or not.  

Ken.


> [Original Message]
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/5/2005 9:54:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> I've got a Goulds pump catalog from 1910 that has 27 pages on triplex
pumps from
> the smallest (1-1/4" bore x 2" stroke, weight 85 lbs) up to the largest
(14"
> bore x 16" stroke, no weight listed).  They don't list any with a 2-1/4"
bore
> (2" and 2-1/2") and they only list one with a weight of 170 lbs (1-3/4"
bore x
> 2-1/2" stroke).  The Goulds pumps usually have a tag or other identifier
that
> includes a "Figure" number that ties back to their catalogs.
> Are there any identifiers on your pump?  Any chance of a pic?
>
> BTW as of 1910 they had been in business for more than sixty years.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com





From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Mon Dec  5 19:38:17 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:38:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date
References: <E1EjSro-0005aj-MH@megs36.100mwh.com>
Message-ID: <022701c5fa16$7f323af0$124d6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

Hi Curt,

Wendel's Notebook shows S/N 38000 erected May 22, 1928 and 39000 erected Jan 
24, 1929. Yours probably made late in 1928 or early 1929.  Mine is 30789 
which is early 1924.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Missy Holland" <mholland at rustyiron.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor s/n and date


Just got asked to help establish the mfg. date of Baker Monitor engine
s/n 38992. I don't seem to have a s/n list in the literature Joe
Prindle sent us. Can anyone look this up please?
Is this info on the net somewhere?
Curt Holland
In very cold 36F and rainy Gastona, NC



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From gibsongus at myway.com  Mon Dec  5 22:22:16 2005
From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus)
Date: Tue,  6 Dec 2005 01:22:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
Message-ID: <20051206062216.0FFAD3958@mprdmxin.myway.com>

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From rstreet at attglobal.net  Mon Dec  5 23:09:58 2005
From: rstreet at attglobal.net (Rich Street)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 23:09:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] patent search
Message-ID: <20051206071008.5C8FA26270F@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Dale: Check the stamping again. Does it say 1899 or 1898? Most of the plugs
use the 1898 patent. Which I have narrowed down to one of these:

612,614

612,615

612,701

612,779

612,783

612,801

612,802

There were no patents issued on October 18, 1899. 

Could you send me a picture of the plug?

Thanks,

Rich

 



From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec  6 01:36:13 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:06:13 +1030
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051204180059.00a7fce8@mail.cyberserv.co.za><20051204170207.EB88926188A@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051204210418.0226cd40@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <005601c5fa48$80328130$d1ca8890@chaos>

Flooring clamps

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Mystery Clamps ??


> At 12:01 PM 12/4/2005, you wrote:
>>They put me in mind of "sash cramps" - used in the construction of sash
>>window frames, and anything big in wood that needs clamping while the glue
>>in the joints sets off.  They are not like any sash cramp I have seen
>>before, though.  I wonder if they were used for bending wood?  It looks as
>>though both pieces have the facility to be retightened progressively 
>>during
>>the job.
>>Regards
>>      Pete
>
> Like Pete I have NO IDEA what the hell they might have been used for. Just 
> takes me less time to say it!
>         Dave 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec  6 04:04:49 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 07:04:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
In-Reply-To: <004d01c5fa09$8b022370$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
References: <013301c5f8f1$194c1330$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512051230110.51685@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205134636.04520910@mail.alltel.net>
	<4394A091.4070205@imc-group.com>
	<00c401c5f9e3$613394f0$53d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051205175317.0451f200@mail.alltel.net>
	<004d01c5fa09$8b022370$f0d64c0c@D48VHZ61>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051206065929.0456c838@mail.alltel.net>

At 09:05 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
>Thanks Dave. I beleive you posted a phone number for this stuff earlier 
>but I already deleted it. Would you or someone else mind resending it? Off 
>list is OK.
>
>John Hall

Hi John,
         It was Rob who first posted it. Dale Portell is the guy who is now 
manufacturing Kwik-Poly. He can be reached at: (314) 344-8881. The quart 
size is $24.00 plus postage. Dale simply puts a bill in the box when he 
ships it and you send him a check when it arrives!
         Dave 



From jlwiley123 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  6 06:21:55 2005
From: jlwiley123 at earthlink.net (James Wiley)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:21:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [SEL] springs
Message-ID: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog 
or extra springs laying around, so here goes:

1)  Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part number YHA260A7
     Minimum Inside Diameter                    1"
     Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 9/32"
     Free Length                                5 1/4"
     Minimum Working Length                     3 15/16"
     Scale per inch                             15# +/- 6%
     Section                                    Round
     Ends                                       Closed and Ground
     Coiled                                     Either hand
     Finish                                     Plain or Natural
     Pulsation                                  325 per minute
     When spring is completely compressed it should measure not more than 2 1/2"
     20# load at 3 15/16" long
     39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
     .128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils

2)  Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM Part number YHA628A4
     Minimum Inside Diameter                    29/32"
     Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 1/16"
     Free Length                                5 1/2"
     Minimum Working Length                     3"
     Load in Place                              6# +/- 6%
     Length in Place                            3 3/8"
     Scale per inch                             2 7/8# +/- 6%
     Section                                    Round
     Ends                                       Closed and Ground
     Coiled                                     Either Hand
     Finish                                     Natural
     22 total coils

I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is not specified - I don't know if the other information 
is enough to figure that out.  In the drawing, the wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1.   
Both spring drawings have a note that says the springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for 1 hour.   
I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if anyone would like to see them.  I started to post them to 
my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok with FM...

Thanks

James


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Tue Dec  6 07:17:20 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:17:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Kwik-Poly
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11A0EE279E84B7DA97C84BB400@phx.gbl>

  I guess if the KP was coming off, I'd take it down to the local engine 
shop and have them boil it.

  Possibly it could be etched with MEK for a second coat.  Dunno.

  Here's what I am using...so far, so good, and it's single pak so no mixing 
and pour the excess back in the can.  Recommended to me by an ole tractor 
mechanic.  Follow directions closely.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/201050969uKwoCf

  later,
RickinMt. 


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec  6 08:14:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 11:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512061044440.68073@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

If you had to compromise on spring OD or ID or solid height, what are your
hard constraints with this application?  Do the springs need to fit over a
rod of a certain diameter, or into a hole of a certain diameter?  Is there
a moving part that would be damaged if the spring went solid; if so what
is that minimum dimension?  For the second spring, a spring company would
not need the wire diameter, they would be able to work with the load /
deflection spec info.

As to posting the scanned drawings, if there's no copyright statement on
them, I don't think anyone would object.

What engine are these springs from again?  Have you contacted service
companies who service engines of this type?  They may know of spring
sources for these springs.  As you have observed, they aren't "standard"
dimensions.

One other place to get a quote would be Reid Supply Company.
www.reidsupply.com and email at: mail at reidsupply.com

Send 'em the scanned spring drawings.  They offer "Custom Made Springs" in
their catalog and don't require any minimum order.

Good luck!!  Be sure to let us know how you make out.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, James Wiley wrote:

> Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog
> or extra springs laying around, so here goes:
>
> 1)  Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part number YHA260A7
>      Minimum Inside Diameter                    1"
>      Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 9/32"
>      Free Length                                5 1/4"
>      Minimum Working Length                     3 15/16"
>      Scale per inch                             15# +/- 6%
>      Section                                    Round
>      Ends                                       Closed and Ground
>      Coiled                                     Either hand
>      Finish                                     Plain or Natural
>      Pulsation                                  325 per minute
>      When spring is completely compressed it should measure not more than 2 1/2"
>      20# load at 3 15/16" long
>      39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
>      .128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils
>
> 2)  Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM Part number YHA628A4
>      Minimum Inside Diameter                    29/32"
>      Maximum Outside Diameter                   1 1/16"
>      Free Length                                5 1/2"
>      Minimum Working Length                     3"
>      Load in Place                              6# +/- 6%
>      Length in Place                            3 3/8"
>      Scale per inch                             2 7/8# +/- 6%
>      Section                                    Round
>      Ends                                       Closed and Ground
>      Coiled                                     Either Hand
>      Finish                                     Natural
>      22 total coils
>
> I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is not specified - I don't know if the other information
> is enough to figure that out.  In the drawing, the wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1.
> Both spring drawings have a note that says the springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for 1 hour.
> I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if anyone would like to see them.  I started to post them to
> my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok with FM...



From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 09:37:55 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:37:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

  Perhaps you should check out this website and consider making them yourself. If you do not choose to go that route, perhaps you could contact the author of that site and engage him to make them for you or suggest an advanced hobbyist/entrepenuer who would take on the job for a modest figure.
  Good Luck
  Aenus McShite

James Wiley <jlwiley123 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
  
Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog 
or extra springs laying around, so here goes:

1) Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part number YHA260A7
Minimum Inside Diameter 1"
Maximum Outside Diameter 1 9/32"
Free Length 5 1/4"
Minimum Working Length 3 15/16"
Scale per inch 15# +/- 6%
Section Round
Ends Closed and Ground
Coiled Either hand
Finish Plain or Natural
Pulsation 325 per minute
When spring is completely compressed it should measure not more than 2 1/2"
20# load at 3 15/16" long
39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
.128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils

2) Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM Part number YHA628A4
Minimum Inside Diameter 29/32"
Maximum Outside Diameter 1 1/16"
Free Length 5 1/2"
Minimum Working Length 3"
Load in Place 6# +/- 6%
Length in Place 3 3/8"
Scale per inch 2 7/8# +/- 6%
Section Round
Ends Closed and Ground
Coiled Either Hand
Finish Natural
22 total coils

I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is not specified - I don't know if the other information 
is enough to figure that out. In the drawing, the wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1. 
Both spring drawings have a note that says the springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for 1 hour. 
I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if anyone would like to see them. I started to post them to 
my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok with FM...

Thanks

James
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From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec  6 10:08:02 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:08:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051206180802.58913.qmail@web26304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Forgot the bloody link:
http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/intro.html
Sincere Apologies,
Aenus McShite
--- Aenus McShite <aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>   Perhaps you should check out this website and
> consider making them yourself. If you do not choose
> to go that route, perhaps you could contact the
> author of that site and engage him to make them for
> you or suggest an advanced hobbyist/entrepenuer who
> would take on the job for a modest figure.
>   Good Luck
>   Aenus McShite
> 
> James Wiley <jlwiley123 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
>   
> Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to
> the list - in case someone might have a spring
> catalog 
> or extra springs laying around, so here goes:
> 
> 1) Auxiliary & Injection Pump Plunger Spring FM part
> number YHA260A7
> Minimum Inside Diameter 1"
> Maximum Outside Diameter 1 9/32"
> Free Length 5 1/4"
> Minimum Working Length 3 15/16"
> Scale per inch 15# +/- 6%
> Section Round
> Ends Closed and Ground
> Coiled Either hand
> Finish Plain or Natural
> Pulsation 325 per minute
> When spring is completely compressed it should
> measure not more than 2 1/2"
> 20# load at 3 15/16" long
> 39 1/2# load at 2 5/8" long
> .128" Piano wire, 18 3/4 totals coils
> 
> 2) Injection Pump Suction Valve Push Rod Spring FM
> Part number YHA628A4
> Minimum Inside Diameter 29/32"
> Maximum Outside Diameter 1 1/16"
> Free Length 5 1/2"
> Minimum Working Length 3"
> Load in Place 6# +/- 6%
> Length in Place 3 3/8"
> Scale per inch 2 7/8# +/- 6%
> Section Round
> Ends Closed and Ground
> Coiled Either Hand
> Finish Natural
> 22 total coils
> 
> I just noticed that the wire size for spring 2 is
> not specified - I don't know if the other
> information 
> is enough to figure that out. In the drawing, the
> wire looks to be about half the size of spring 1. 
> Both spring drawings have a note that says the
> springs should be heat treated in Boiling Water for
> 1 hour. 
> I have the drawing scanned and in JPEG form if
> anyone would like to see them. I started to post
> them to 
> my web site, but wasn't sure if that would be ok
> with FM...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> James
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> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec  6 09:56:03 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:56:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20051206173755.71905.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512061253380.68073@vegeta.city-net.com>

Dear Mr. McShite,

Were you planning on SHARING that website?  Or just cleverly keeping it a
secret in hopes of driving up the price?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Aenus McShite wrote:

>   Perhaps you should check out this website and consider making them
>   yourself. If you do not choose to go that route, perhaps you could
>   contact the author of that site and engage him to make them for you or
>   suggest an advanced hobbyist/entrepenuer who would take on the job for
>   a modest figure.
>   Good Luck
>   Aenus McShite


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec  6 10:51:45 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:51:45 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: O.T. Mystery Clamps ??
In-Reply-To: <200512061700.jB6H04Vp001228@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051206202937.00a7dcc8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>


>Hi the Lists,

         Thanks for the answers to the "mystery clamps" - "sky hooks - 
muffler bearing puller - pipe stretchers" etc. Luckily I do not think that 
you all come from Montana <grin> but if you believe "boomerangs" were 
invented in Africa you may believe anything !!
         Roland Craven replied within an hour with the correct answer (and 
today "derek" also gave the correct answer).
         They are floorboard clamps (or cramps depending on which side of 
the pond you are speaking from - I always thought that a "cramp" was a pain 
in the A***) and are used by attaching to the bearer plank (I think some of 
you call them "joists")  and then the floorboard is pressed tight against 
the previous one prior to nailing.


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From edstoller at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  6 16:49:13 2005
From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:49:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry
References: <81.34ce3947.30c45e40@aol.com>
Message-ID: <062e01c5fac9$b58219a0$1ea4f504@x8h7l9>

The key here is the frequency of 3000 Hz. We usually think of Aluminum as
non-magnetic but at a 3KHz ( if that is the right number for aluminum), the
magnetic field produces a lot of heat by rapidly reversing the magnetic
field in the metal.  When I was going to school, I worked at an Alcoa
extrusion plant in the summer. Big ingots of aluminum were put in an
induction heater to get them hot before they were put in the chamber of a
2,000,000 pound extrusion press to be squirted thru a die.

The commercial power went to a big power supply that provided the high
frequency for the induction coil. The motor generator may be an over
simplification as a 4 pole 60 Hz motor would have to drive a 200 pole
generator unless the generator was excited at some high frequency. And they
are using this for stove tops now days?

Ed Stoller
New Fairfield, CT
http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Germoamer at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Tod Engine Works Foundry


> In a message dated 12/3/2005 8:51:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jrrowlands at neo.rr.com writes:
>
> << The reason there is a motor generator is to convert 480VAC
>  60 cycles to 400 VAC 3,000 cycles. >>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> There is much in the world for us to learn!
>
>  Looks like you have lots of work keeping you busy setting up the shop,
etc.
> Good luck with everything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Schmutz
> Concord, Va. USA
> Germoamer at aol.com
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 09:34:55 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:34:55 +0000
Subject: [SEL] springs
In-Reply-To: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9137123.1133878915868.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512060934h25d8e267v56ec1d324c6ff0cc@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/6/05, James Wiley <jlwiley123 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Arnie suggested I post the specs of the springs to the list - in case someone might have a spring catalog
> or extra springs laying around, so here goes:

Just a suggestion, but in a similar situation I try and find
applications that would use a similar item but not necessarily in an
engine.

We have small spring makers over here in the UK that could probably do
that size with no problem, in fact, Redditch used to be the centre of
spring making in the UK at one time, but many companies have gone now
as stuff gets made in the far east, you know the story by now.....

I'm in a similar position with the turret locking spring on one of our
Ward capstan lathes, and it looks like a hydraulic valve block might
have the spring I need :-))

Peter



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From jbcast at charter.net  Tue Dec  6 17:54:44 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:54:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>


Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between the coils.
J.B. Castagnos



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Tue Dec  6 19:02:55 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:02:55 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <20051207030301.470E1262D55@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi JB. Can you take the form and slice it twice down through it length wise?
You will end up with 3segments which you can remove the center segment
collapsing the two outer barrel shaped sides. Just an idea. Jimmy O'

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
jbcast at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:55 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] More springs


Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped
spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have an
idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you can't
get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack disc on
a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between the
coils.
J.B. Castagnos

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec  6 20:21:57 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 23:21:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051206231534.03cc8008@mail.alltel.net>

At 08:54 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:

>Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped 
>spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have 
>an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you 
>can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack 
>disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between 
>the coils.
>J.B. Castagnos

Hi J.B.,
         How long does it take to wind a spring? If not too long then wind 
it around ice and then sit back and have a beer. If it takes a bit longer 
wind it around wax and then melt the wax. Or you could wind it around a 
piece of soft wood and then burn the wood out (balsa comes to mind.) The 
derivations seem endless, but hell, I've never wound a spring!
         Dave 



From cgandree at mchsi.com  Wed Dec  7 02:39:15 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:39:15 +0000
Subject: [SEL] goulds mfg co seneca salls ny
Message-ID: <120720051039.4914.4396BBD2000B29990000133221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Craig,
If you need any leathers for your pump contact me off list.  I have a very 
large supply of brand new old stock, just about every size needed...plus.
Curt Andree


>     Hi all,
>             I am in the process of restoring a triplex pump made by goulds.The 
> pump measures about14 inches wide by about 20 inches high the 3 brass pistons 
> are 2 1/4 inches in diameter and it weighs approx 170 pounds. 
>             The only other one that I have seen was in the gas engine shed at 
> Baraboo, but it is huge in comparisom. Any information on this type of pump or 
> its age would be very useful as would anything about the manufacturer.
> 
>         Thanks in advance,
>                                      Craig in a very wet Scotland
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From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec  7 03:32:43 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 6:32:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4hc0eu$1fd6cmo@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>


>
> Hi JB. Can you take the form and slice it twice down through it length wise?
> You will end up with 3segments which you can remove the center segment
> collapsing the two outer barrel shaped sides. Just an idea. Jimmy O'>

 Thanks Jim, when making open springs like valve springs I cut a coarse thread on the form to use as a guide when winding, spinning the form in the lathe. I tried freehand but the results showed in the spring, the guide gives uniform spacing. The lateral cuts would make it difficult to hold together and turn in the lathe.
J.B. Castagnos


From jbcast at charter.net  Wed Dec  7 03:42:42 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 6:42:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>


>          How long does it take to wind a spring? If not too long then wind 
> it around ice and then sit back and have a beer. If it takes a bit longer 
> wind it around wax and then melt the wax. Or you could wind it around a 
> piece of soft wood and then burn the wood out (balsa comes to mind.) The 
> derivations seem endless, but hell, I've never wound a spring!
>          Dave 
> 
Thanks Dave, ice doesn't last very long down here, wax and balsa would be too soft.  We have been discussing this locally, and lead and babbit were mentioned, but it would require making a new form each time, I want to do eight. Because of the barrel shape the guide threads will have to be cut while controlling the depth by hand, although not critical as in regular threads it would be time consuming to make eight. Then there's the possibility of softening the spring when heating to melt the form out. Just wondering how the factory did this in 1906.
J.B. Castagnos


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec  7 06:49:41 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:49:41 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051207064655.01c0b4b0@mail.pennswoods.net>

It may be possible to make the barrel shape then cut it in two or four 
sections before winding. For easyer removal
R Fink
PA




At 08:54 PM 12/6/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped 
>spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have 
>an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you 
>can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack 
>disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between 
>the coils.
>J.B. Castagnos
>
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From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec  7 07:06:27 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:06:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4hc0eu$1fd6cmo@mxip01a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051207070413.01c0ee90@mail.pennswoods.net>

Put it back together with WATER base glue when done soak  in water.





At 06:32 AM 12/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:

> >
> > Hi JB. Can you take the form and slice it twice down through it length 
> wise?
> > You will end up with 3segments which you can remove the center segment
> > collapsing the two outer barrel shaped sides. Just an idea. Jimmy O'>
>
>  Thanks Jim, when making open springs like valve springs I cut a coarse 
> thread on the form to use as a guide when winding, spinning the form in 
> the lathe. I tried freehand but the results showed in the spring, the 
> guide gives uniform spacing. The lateral cuts would make it difficult to 
> hold together and turn in the lathe.
>J.B. Castagnos
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Dec  7 04:32:21 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:32:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
Message-ID: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3>

What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have lost 
for a rare engine, MOPAT.
I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can not 
find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 05:00:38 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:00:38 EST
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <2a5.14961e6.30c836f6@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:21:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:

<< Put it back together with WATER base glue when done soak  in water. >>

Richard,

So does water based glue dissolve in water once it sets up?  May be good 
information for future use.



Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 05:05:34 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:05:34 EST
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
Message-ID: <2bf.c60bc1.30c8381e@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
not 
 find the bastards  >>


Keep looking Peter.  They are there somewhere and it comes with old age!  
Been there and done that!  One of the bolts holding a tree saw blade on the 
extension handle came out.  Took off the blade and remaining bolt, gave to wife to 
pick  up a couple of shoulder bolts in town like that one, which she did.  The 
bolts are still in a bag on dresser for lack of finding the blade in the 
shop!  Things like that do not leave the shop on their own accord!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 05:56:17 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:56:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051206231534.03cc8008@mail.alltel.net>
References: <4ikoo3$2k9mgb@mxip22a.cluster1.charter.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051206231534.03cc8008@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <4396EA01.3060109@imc-group.com>

Dave, J.B.,
This is pure speculation but is it possible these barrel shaped springs 
are not would on a mandrel at all?

Being in the copper rod casting business I have the opportunity to go to 
the annual wire show on occasion. There are all kinds of equipment there 
designed to process wire the thickness of a hair to as heavy as 2" in 
diameter.

One of the machines I am most enamored with is used to make thinks like 
coat hangers and other wire product shapes. Wire on large spools is fed 
into the machine via strong  feed rolls. The wire is fed out of a 
central iris. Around this iris are rollers, blocks and other forming 
tools. Imagine this wire being fed out and there is a tool on one side 
slightly in the path of the wire which is trying to go straight. The 
wire will hit this tool and will be pushed to the side. Now the wire 
will no longer travel straight out of the iris. In fact, depending on 
the amount of interference the wire will curl and for a perfect circle 
that will wrap back on itself. Now if you move this tool off of 
centerline a little you will still form a circle, but it will not wrap 
back on itself but rather it will form a helix. Keep pushing the wire 
out for a dozen rounds and voila' you have a spring formed without the 
use of a mandrel.

Now if you can make an adjustment to how far the tool is moved in and 
out, in otherwords control the amount the tool is pushing on the wire, 
then you should be able to vary the radius of the curve being formed. 
Push the tool in to form a tight radius, pull it out to form a larger 
radius, and then back in again to make the tight radius again. Now you 
have made a barrel spring.

Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> At 08:54 PM 12/6/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped 
>> spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone 
>> have an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped 
>> form you can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so 
>> far is to stack disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and 
>> remove the disc between the coils.
>> J.B. Castagnos
>
>
> Hi J.B.,
>         How long does it take to wind a spring? If not too long then 
> wind it around ice and then sit back and have a beer. If it takes a 
> bit longer wind it around wax and then melt the wax. Or you could wind 
> it around a piece of soft wood and then burn the wood out (balsa comes 
> to mind.) The derivations seem endless, but hell, I've never wound a 
> spring!
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 06:03:30 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:03:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <2bf.c60bc1.30c8381e@aol.com>
References: <2bf.c60bc1.30c8381e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4396EBB2.50603@imc-group.com>

Tom,
A local engine buddy was working on an engine and put some parts in a 
box and put it in a "safe" place so he could easily find them again. 
That was 1969 and he is still looking for that box of parts!

List lurker Tommy Berry placed one of the pinion gears for his Rumley 
lightweight in the machine shop for safekeeping. He can't find it to 
this day. He even offers a $50 bounty to the one who can come in and 
find it in his shop. You know as soon as he has another one hobbed, 
he'll find the originals!

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:
>
><< I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
>not 
> find the bastards  >>
>
>
>Keep looking Peter.  They are there somewhere and it comes with old age!  
>Been there and done that!  One of the bolts holding a tree saw blade on the 
>extension handle came out.  Took off the blade and remaining bolt, gave to wife to 
>pick  up a couple of shoulder bolts in town like that one, which she did.  The 
>bolts are still in a bag on dresser for lack of finding the blade in the 
>shop!  Things like that do not leave the shop on their own accord!
>
>  
>



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec  7 06:36:41 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:36:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV21F2B6849B5A37B4F370CABB430@phx.gbl>

  Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti


Thanks fer looking
RickinMt.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec  7 07:16:37 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:16:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>
References: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512070951090.83620@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi JB,

One alternative would be to use low-melting point alloys like Cerro-Indium
or Cerro-Bismuth.  They're commercially available and are used for fusable
links, fixturing parts for machining, etc.  They have melting points in
the range of 117-200 deg. F.  The disadvantage, as you've observed, is
that you need to make the forms.  At least removing the forms wouldn't
damage the springs and the material is reusable.  You might even find a
local machine shop that had some they would loan you.
One source is McMaster-Carr http://www.mcmaster.com/
Part number 8921K12.

As to cutting the grooves by hand, do you have any buddies with access to
a profile lathe?  That could solve that problem (once you've made a
master pattern).

You can also have fun with this stuff.  Cut the bowl off a spoon and use
the alloy to rejoin the two pieces.  Then give the trick spoon to a buddy
with a cup of "strong" coffee.  The natural reply to his shocked look when
his spoon "dissolves" is, "Gee, it usually doesn't take that long."

BTW JB, when you DO find out how they wound these barrel springs back in
1906, please let us know!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

> Thanks Dave, ice doesn't last very long down here, wax and balsa would
> be too soft.  We have been discussing this locally, and lead and babbit
> were mentioned, but it would require making a new form each time, I want
> to do eight. Because of the barrel shape the guide threads will have to
> be cut while controlling the depth by hand, although not critical as in
> regular threads it would be time consuming to make eight. Then there's
> the possibility of softening the spring when heating to melt the form
> out. Just wondering how the factory did this in 1906.


From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 07:42:54 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:42:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <2ba.1acef1e.30c85cfe@aol.com>

Rick,

Any name/numbers on the anvil?  

Would the baffle go in with the pointed side towards the entrance of the of 
the exhaust, so that when the exhaust hits it is dispersed towards the sides of 
the muffler?

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From oiseming at moscow.com  Wed Dec  7 07:46:17 2005
From: oiseming at moscow.com (Orrin Iseminger)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:46:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <4396EBB2.50603@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <200512071546.jB7FkTGf055101@mail-gw.fsr.net>

There you go, the sure-fire way for finding something.  :-)

It happens to me all the time.  ;-)

Orrin

Orrin Iseminger
Colton, Washington, USA
http://users.moscow.com/oiseming/lc_ant_p/index.htm
So many projects.  So little time.   

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas

You know as soon as he has another one hobbed, 
he'll find the originals!

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC





From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec  7 11:26:53 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 11:26:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] More springs
In-Reply-To: <2a5.14961e6.30c836f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051207112625.01c0d100@mail.pennswoods.net>

Yes it will.
R Fink





At 08:00 AM 12/7/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/7/2005 7:21:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>nancydick at pennswoods.net writes:
>
><< Put it back together with WATER base glue when done soak  in water. >>
>
>Richard,
>
>So does water based glue dissolve in water once it sets up?  May be good
>information for future use.
>
>
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
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>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  7 05:06:03 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:06:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
References: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <003f01c5fb2e$fa8f4d50$230110ac@PAUL>

Peter, the last time I saw them they were in a small box at the left end of 
the shop under the work table, there was a larger box setting on them. Let 
me know if you find them.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas


> What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have 
> lost for a rare engine, MOPAT.
> I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
> not find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  7 11:24:36 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:24:36 +1100
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
References: <BAY109-DAV21F2B6849B5A37B4F370CABB430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <042c01c5fb63$dd789b10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I would be interested to know if it makes any difference to the exhaust note
and performance by reversing it.
The one in my Jewel is flat.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle


>  Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti
>
>
> Thanks fer looking
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  7 11:41:50 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 06:41:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
Along with my reply.
Reg

<<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right thing to
others. And helping others!
Seems I am wrong here!!
So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
Reg & Marg Ingold.>>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Southside Assembly of God" <ssag at uci.net>
To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
Subject: RE: re Help


> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked through
> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous emails 
> and
> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your interest 
> is
> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
> relationship
> with the Lord.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Margo Cartwright
> Administrative Assistant
> Southside Assembly of God
> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
> Bend OR  97702
> Ph:  541-389-4749
> Ph:  541-383-3250
> Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
> Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
> Subject: re Help
>
>
> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
> I have never received a reply.
>
> <<Dear sir,
> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
> treatment
> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of people
> to advertise the way things are.
> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings with 
> a
> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct leaves a 
> lot
> to be desired.
> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>
> <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob Bromps 
> way
> back.
> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally ignored
> all mail sent by me since.
> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that were
> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
> ordered
> from him had been sent.
> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the return of
> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back in 
> March
> that paid for the order.
> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust the 
> word
> of this man, then you are fools.
> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
> taking
> the time to read this. >>
>
> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer my 
> plea
> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and I am
> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
> purchasers
> of these engines after I have built them..
> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were paid 
> for
> back in March 05.
> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>
>
>
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
>
> 




From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 12:05:19 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:05:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <410-22005123720519748@earthlink.net>


cupped side down towards the intake pipe.

> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/7/2005 8:36:45 AM
> Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
>
>   Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti
>
>
> Thanks fer looking
> RickinMt.
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 12:15:42 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:15:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>

Reg,
Exactly why did you send this to the list(s)? Since you are now blocked 
from the ssag server are you suggesting that the 100's of us on these 
lists all send dozens of emails to the Southside Assembly of God 
requesting Bromps send your flywheels? That could make a hell of a mess 
out of their server! That would be very un-Christian like. :-)
Curt Holland
P.S. Just let us know and we'll gladly do so!
P.S. If we each use a different letter in the beginning of the subject 
line (a "subject", b "subject", z "subject") this will entertwine with 
all their other emails (preventing a sort) and force them to manually 
delete them all individually.


R & M Ingold wrote:

> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
> Along with my reply.
> Reg
>
> <<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right 
> thing to
> others. And helping others!
> Seems I am wrong here!!
> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" 
> <ssag at uci.net>
> To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
> Subject: RE: re Help
>
>
>> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked 
>> through
>> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous 
>> emails and
>> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your 
>> interest is
>> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
>> relationship
>> with the Lord.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Margo Cartwright
>> Administrative Assistant
>> Southside Assembly of God
>> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
>> Bend OR  97702
>> Ph:  541-389-4749
>> Ph:  541-383-3250
>> Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
>> Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>> Subject: re Help
>>
>>
>> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>> I have never received a reply.
>>
>> <<Dear sir,
>> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
>> treatment
>> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of 
>> people
>> to advertise the way things are.
>> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings 
>> with a
>> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct 
>> leaves a lot
>> to be desired.
>> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>
>> <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob 
>> Bromps way
>> back.
>> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally 
>> ignored
>> all mail sent by me since.
>> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that 
>> were
>> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
>> ordered
>> from him had been sent.
>> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the 
>> return of
>> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back 
>> in March
>> that paid for the order.
>> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust 
>> the word
>> of this man, then you are fools.
>> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
>> taking
>> the time to read this. >>
>>
>> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer 
>> my plea
>> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and 
>> I am
>> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
>> purchasers
>> of these engines after I have built them..
>> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were 
>> paid for
>> back in March 05.
>> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Dec  7 12:17:39 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:17:39 +0200
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051207221709.00b1a3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         This one is for the Aussies.
I'm doing artwork for a 3 HP Buzacott Plate but do not have the exact size 
I have put a rough drawing here 
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/buzacott.gif> to show what I need. Can 
someone help please.
         Hey you Aussies gave us quite a hiding at cricket yesterday - 
really spoilt my day but there is always a next time. <Grin or maybe Grrr.>

Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Wed Dec  7 12:40:54 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:40:54 +0200
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
In-Reply-To: <200512071700.jB7H03Fo031773@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200512072241750.SM00132@new.databak.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 07/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 15
>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:32:21 +0800
>From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
>Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
>
>What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have lost
>for a rare engine, MOPAT.
>I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can not
>find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
>Peter Ogborne

Hi Peter,
         I know the problem. I have a goblin or gremlin in my workshop who 
hides things away while I'm not looking. Only difference is that he does 
not wait 3 years - he does it immediately.
         I step out of the workshop for a minute to answer the phone or 
something and he makes the part I had in my hand disappear. He does not do 
it with common sized bolts and suchlike - only hard to come by parts.


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec  7 12:56:06 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:56:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>
References: <044b01c5fb66$476c19f0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43974C66.5000906@imc-group.com>

Hi all,
With in minutes of sending this email to the lists I received this from 
George Best requesting we hold off flooding their servers with emails 
requesting Bromps send Reg his flywheels. George asks we wait just a 
little longer to see if his diplomatic efforts work before doing 
something like this. Here is the note from George.

Curt,

I can't post to the list(s) from work at the moment, so maybe you can
pass this on.

Please don't start sending messages to the church.

A couple of us are in the process of trying to get the flywheels picked
up from Bob Bromps, and I'd rather people waited till we've determined
that Bob needs more incentive to deliver the flywheels.

George



Curt wrote:

> Reg,
> Exactly why did you send this to the list(s)? Since you are now 
> blocked from the ssag server are you suggesting that the 100's of us 
> on these lists all send dozens of emails to the Southside Assembly of 
> God requesting Bromps send your flywheels? That could make a hell of a 
> mess out of their server! That would be very un-Christian like. :-)
> Curt Holland
> P.S. Just let us know and we'll gladly do so!
> P.S. If we each use a different letter in the beginning of the subject 
> line (a "subject", b "subject", z "subject") this will entertwine with 
> all their other emails (preventing a sort) and force them to manually 
> delete them all individually.
>
>
> R & M Ingold wrote:
>
>> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
>> Along with my reply.
>> Reg
>>
>> <<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right 
>> thing to
>> others. And helping others!
>> Seems I am wrong here!!
>> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
>> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
>> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" 
>> <ssag at uci.net>
>> To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
>> Subject: RE: re Help
>>
>>
>>> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked 
>>> through
>>> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous 
>>> emails and
>>> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your 
>>> interest is
>>> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
>>> relationship
>>> with the Lord.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Margo Cartwright
>>> Administrative Assistant
>>> Southside Assembly of God
>>> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
>>> Bend OR  97702
>>> Ph:  541-389-4749
>>> Ph:  541-383-3250
>>> Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
>>> Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>>> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>>> Subject: re Help
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>>> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>>> I have never received a reply.
>>>
>>> <<Dear sir,
>>> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
>>> treatment
>>> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>>> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of 
>>> people
>>> to advertise the way things are.
>>> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his 
>>> dealings with a
>>> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>>> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct 
>>> leaves a lot
>>> to be desired.
>>> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>>> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>> <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob 
>>> Bromps way
>>> back.
>>> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>>> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally 
>>> ignored
>>> all mail sent by me since.
>>> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, 
>>> that were
>>> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
>>> ordered
>>> from him had been sent.
>>> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the 
>>> return of
>>> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back 
>>> in March
>>> that paid for the order.
>>> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>>> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust 
>>> the word
>>> of this man, then you are fools.
>>> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>>> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
>>> taking
>>> the time to read this. >>
>>>
>>> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer 
>>> my plea
>>> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>>> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>>> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me 
>>> and I am
>>> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
>>> purchasers
>>> of these engines after I have built them..
>>> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were 
>>> paid for
>>> back in March 05.
>>> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>>> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>>> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec  7 13:08:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:08:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>

What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and why is this being posted to the list? 

If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere else.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
> Along with my reply.
> Reg
> 
> <<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right thing to
> others. And helping others!
> Seems I am wrong here!!
> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Southside Assembly of God" <ssag at uci.net>
> To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
> Subject: RE: re Help
> 
> 
> > The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked through
> > your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous emails 
> > and
> > has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your interest 
> > is
> > of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
> > relationship
> > with the Lord.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Margo Cartwright
> > Administrative Assistant
> > Southside Assembly of God
> > 60670 Brookswood Blvd
> > Bend OR  97702
> > Ph:  541-389-4749
> > Ph:  541-383-3250
> > Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
> > Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
> > To: pastor at ssagbend.com
> > Subject: re Help
> >
> >
> > Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
> > problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
> > I have never received a reply.
> >
> > <<Dear sir,
> > I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
> > treatment
> > I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
> > I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of people
> > to advertise the way things are.
> > Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings with 
> > a
> > lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
> > Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct leaves a 
> > lot
> > to be desired.
> > You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
> > Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
> >
> > <<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob Bromps 
> > way
> > back.
> > He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
> > requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally ignored
> > all mail sent by me since.
> > Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that were
> > ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
> > ordered
> > from him had been sent.
> > So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the return of
> > the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back in 
> > March
> > that paid for the order.
> > IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
> > I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust the 
> > word
> > of this man, then you are fools.
> > He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
> > Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
> > taking
> > the time to read this. >>
> >
> > I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer my 
> > plea
> > for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
> > I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
> > I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and I am
> > in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
> > purchasers
> > of these engines after I have built them..
> > Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were paid 
> > for
> > back in March 05.
> > Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
> > I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
> > Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reg & Marg Ingold.
> > Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> > randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 13:17:31 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 13:17:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <439742EE.2090401@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20051207211732.26988.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

This is a fine kettle of fish.  I suppose  that the good Reverend of SSAG is thinking..."....if God wanted Reg to  have those wheels, He would have provided those wheels, etc.".   God moves in strange ways, especially where flywheels are involved. :-)
  JM

Curt <curt at imc-group.com> wrote:  Reg,
Exactly why did you send this to the list(s)? Since you are now blocked 
from the ssag server are you suggesting that the 100's of us on these 
lists all send dozens of emails to the Southside Assembly of God 
requesting Bromps send your flywheels? That could make a hell of a mess 
out of their server! That would be very un-Christian like. :-)
Curt Holland
P.S. Just let us know and we'll gladly do so!
P.S. If we each use a different letter in the beginning of the subject 
line (a "subject", b "subject", z "subject") this will entertwine with 
all their other emails (preventing a sort) and force them to manually 
delete them all individually.


R & M Ingold wrote:

> Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
> Along with my reply.
> Reg
>
> <
> thing to
> others. And helping others!
> Seems I am wrong here!!
> So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
> Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
> Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
> Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" 
> 
> To: "R & M Ingold" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
> Subject: RE: re Help
>
>
>> The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked 
>> through
>> your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous 
>> emails and
>> has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your 
>> interest is
>> of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own 
>> relationship
>> with the Lord.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Margo Cartwright
>> Administrative Assistant
>> Southside Assembly of God
>> 60670 Brookswood Blvd
>> Bend OR  97702
>> Ph:  541-389-4749
>> Ph:  541-383-3250
>> Email:  ssag at uci.net 
>> Web:  www.ssagbend.com 
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>> To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>> Subject: re Help
>>
>>
>> Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>> problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>> I have never received a reply.
>>
>> <
>> I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the 
>> treatment
>> I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>> I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of 
>> people
>> to advertise the way things are.
>> Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings 
>> with a
>> lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>> Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct 
>> leaves a lot
>> to be desired.
>> You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>> Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>
>> <
>> Bromps way
>> back.
>> He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>> requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally 
>> ignored
>> all mail sent by me since.
>> Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that 
>> were
>> ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I 
>> ordered
>> from him had been sent.
>> So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the 
>> return of
>> the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back 
>> in March
>> that paid for the order.
>> IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>> I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust 
>> the word
>> of this man, then you are fools.
>> He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>> Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for 
>> taking
>> the time to read this. >>
>>
>> I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer 
>> my plea
>> for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>> I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>> I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and 
>> I am
>> in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to 
>> purchasers
>> of these engines after I have built them..
>> Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were 
>> paid for
>> back in March 05.
>> Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>> I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>> Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>
>>
>>
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec  7 13:37:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:37:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <20051207211732.26988.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051207211732.26988.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512071635300.83620@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Reg & all,

> God moves in strange ways, especially where flywheels are involved. :-)

Blessed are they who go around in circles for they shall be known as
Big Wheels.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Wed Dec  7 14:20:19 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:20:19 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>

Hi ???

This is actually VERY relevant to stationary engines.  Bob Bromps was 
paid to supply COMPLETE casting sets to  a world-renowned model maker, 
Reg Ingold.  He has consistently failed to do so, despite receiving FULL 
payment and numerous promptings from Reg.
As Reg is in Australia, Bob Bromps in the USA, Reg can't exactly turn up 
on his doorstep to demand the goods for which he has paid.
He is therefore exploring every avenue open to him to get the goods, 
including sharing his bad experience with the lists as a warning to 
anyone else who might consider buying castings from this source.
I hope this explains the situation.

Dolly
(Flame Mistress)


mullt at att.net wrote:

>What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and why is this being posted to the list? 
>
>If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere else.
>
>  
>
-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 15:04:54 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:04:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512071635300.83620@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051207230454.67170.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

The Wheel in the sky keeps on turning...
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  G'day Reg & all,

> God moves in strange ways, especially where flywheels are involved. :-)

Blessed are they who go around in circles for they shall be known as
Big Wheels.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  7 15:15:19 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:15:19 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
	<43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00bb01c5fb84$1826ad90$230110ac@PAUL>

Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their money 
sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on this issue.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help


> Hi ???
>
> This is actually VERY relevant to stationary engines.  Bob Bromps was paid 
> to supply COMPLETE casting sets to  a world-renowned model maker, Reg 
> Ingold.  He has consistently failed to do so, despite receiving FULL 
> payment and numerous promptings from Reg.
> As Reg is in Australia, Bob Bromps in the USA, Reg can't exactly turn up 
> on his doorstep to demand the goods for which he has paid.
> He is therefore exploring every avenue open to him to get the goods, 
> including sharing his bad experience with the lists as a warning to anyone 
> else who might consider buying castings from this source.
> I hope this explains the situation.
>




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Dec  7 15:36:12 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:36:12 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
	<43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005401c5fb87$06895f30$729281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

I agree with you Jim. Now bloody Xmas cards and pictures of snow, well that 
is of no relevance.GO for it Reg.!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help


> Hi ???
>
> This is actually VERY relevant to stationary engines.  Bob Bromps was paid 
> to supply COMPLETE casting sets to  a world-renowned model maker, Reg 
> Ingold.  He has consistently failed to do so, despite receiving FULL 
> payment and numerous promptings from Reg.
> As Reg is in Australia, Bob Bromps in the USA, Reg can't exactly turn up 
> on his doorstep to demand the goods for which he has paid.
> He is therefore exploring every avenue open to him to get the goods, 
> including sharing his bad experience with the lists as a warning to anyone 
> else who might consider buying castings from this source.
> I hope this explains the situation.
>
> Dolly
> (Flame Mistress)
>
>
> mullt at att.net wrote:
>
>>What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and 
>>why is this being posted to the list?
>>If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere 
>>else.
>>
>>
> -- 
> Jim French
> fbi at insulate.co.uk
> http://www.insulate.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Wed Dec  7 15:38:45 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:38:45 +0800
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
References: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<003f01c5fb2e$fa8f4d50$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <006a01c5fb87$612ea210$729281cb@ogborneuah38i3>

So it was you Paul...creeping around my workshop,do you by chance know Bob 
Bromps?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas


> Peter, the last time I saw them they were in a small box at the left end 
> of the shop under the work table, there was a larger box setting on them. 
> Let me know if you find them.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:32 AM
> Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
>
>
>> What I want for Xmas is to be able to find the bloody parts that i have 
>> lost for a rare engine, MOPAT.
>> I put them in a box when we moved here three years ago ....and now I can 
>> not find the bastards [ camshaft ,gears and governor]
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec  7 15:56:02 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:56:02 -0600
Subject: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
References: <00a301c5fb2a$48e12500$629181cb@ogborneuah38i3><003f01c5fb2e$fa8f4d50$230110ac@PAUL>
	<006a01c5fb87$612ea210$729281cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <00dc01c5fb89$c7b3fc40$230110ac@PAUL>

Never heard of the guy Peter and by what I am reading I am better off for 
it. However that being said if there is anything I can do I will be happy to 
do it for Reg.

Paul
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas


> So it was you Paul...creeping around my workshop,do you by chance know Bob 
> Bromps?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
>
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec  7 17:03:20 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:03:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B040
	49A03@att.net>
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051207195441.046099b0@mail.alltel.net>

At 04:08 PM 12/7/2005, you wrote:
>What the hell does all of this crap have to do with stationary engines and 
>why is this being posted to the list?
>If you guys want to snipe at each other, why don't you take it somewhere else.

Hi mullt at att.net ,
         Do you have a name? Do you know that it's proper protocol to sign 
posts to the List so that you can be identified? Do you know that water 
boils at 212 degrees F? Do you know that it freezes at 32 degrees F? Do you 
know that the ABC's start with the letter "A?" Do you know that the sum of 
2+2 is 4? Do you know that a lot of people on the List think that you have 
a cranial rectal inversion?
         Dave
PS, Have a GREAT day!
          



From Germoamer at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 17:15:43 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:15:43 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <6a.6315a1a0.30c8e33f@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/7/2005 5:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fbi at insulate.co.uk writes:

<< (Flame Mistress) >>


And  as always a GREAT one at that!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec  7 17:37:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:37:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Seeking John Negley
Message-ID: <009e01c5fb97$f881b250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Does anyone have a phone number of John Negley in Gibsonburg, Ohio?
 
Thanks,
Rob
 
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  

 


From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 17:54:20 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:54:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] One for the Aussies
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051207221709.00b1a3c8@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <20051208015420.65024.qmail@web35410.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Jerry

My plate size

width = 90mm, height = 60mm
Hole centre is 80 and is centre both W/H
Hope this helps

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW OZ

PS. that was only a state side, we have just slammed
the Kiwi's and on our way back to do the same with you
lot 8-))

--- Jerry Evans <jerrye at databak.co.za> wrote:

> Hi The Lists,
>          This one is for the Aussies.
> I'm doing artwork for a 3 HP Buzacott Plate but do
> not have the exact size 
> I have put a rough drawing here 
> <www.oldengine.org/members/evans/buzacott.gif> to
> show what I need. Can 
> someone help please.
>          Hey you Aussies gave us quite a hiding at
> cricket yesterday - 
> really spoilt my day but there is always a next
> time. <Grin or maybe Grrr.>
> 
> Best Regards
> Jerry Evans
> Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
> Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
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From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Dec  7 17:56:41 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:56:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
References: <4enjrj$1njfbnh@mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net>
Message-ID: <00e501c5fb9d$f178f300$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net>



> >
> Thanks Dave, ice doesn't last very long down here, wax and balsa would
be too soft.  We have been discussing this locally, and lead and babbit
were mentioned, but it would require making a new form each time, I want
to do eight. Because of the barrel shape the guide threads will have to
be cut while controlling the depth by hand, although not critical as in
regular threads it would be time consuming to make eight. Then there's
the possibility of softening the spring when heating to melt the form
out. Just wondering how the factory did this in 1906.
> J.B. Castagnos

Probably used a spring former. Basically it feeds wire out into a set of
rollers that can be adjusted like a slip roll. The tighter they are set
the smaller the spring. By having the adjusting system controlled by
different cams you can form just about any spring shape you would ever
want. By using two sets of rollers you can alter the coil spacing. This
is still how many springs are formed today.

How about making the mandrel out of stacked washers. Then turn them to
shape with them bolted tight. and a pin to lock them in alignment. Turn
the spring on them and then take the bolt out and slip the washers
through the coils.



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Wed Dec  7 18:20:26 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:20:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051207211919.02e96478@web1.nlenet.net>

You might point out (If you could reach the Pastor) that you were just 
working your way through step two of this portion of scripture

Mat 18:15- 17   Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and 
tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou 
hast gained thy brother.         But if he will not hear [thee, then] take 
with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses 
every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell 
[it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto 
thee as an heathen man and a publican.

This is not a fun part of being a pastor, but it certainty is a important part.

Frank




>R & M Ingold wrote:
>
>>Here is the latest from Bromp's church.
>>Along with my reply.
>>Reg
>>
>><<I thought your 'Lord' was all about Honesty and doing the right thing to
>>others. And helping others!
>>Seems I am wrong here!!
>>So your 'Lord' condones this type of theiving behavior?
>>Ha!, remind me to stay away from YOUR branch of 'Christianity.'
>>Maybe thats where Bromps got taught his bad practices?
>>Reg & Marg Ingold.>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Southside Assembly of God" <ssag at uci.net>
>>To: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:58 AM
>>Subject: RE: re Help
>>
>>
>>>The messages that have been sent have all been returned as blocked through
>>>your email server.  Pastor Dennis Dickson has seen your previous emails and
>>>has responded asking that you not contact him again unless your interest is
>>>of a spiritual nature in relation to the condition of your own relationship
>>>with the Lord.
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>
>>>Margo Cartwright
>>>Administrative Assistant
>>>Southside Assembly of God
>>>60670 Brookswood Blvd
>>>Bend OR  97702
>>>Ph:  541-389-4749
>>>Ph:  541-383-3250
>>>Email:  ssag at uci.net <mailto:ssag at uci.net>
>>>Web:  www.ssagbend.com <http://www.ssagbend.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: R & M Ingold [mailto:randmingold at hotkey.net.au]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:44 AM
>>>To: pastor at ssagbend.com
>>>Subject: re Help
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear sir, Despite having contacted you twice in the past re an ongoing
>>>problem I have with Bob Bromps., (see below to refresh your memory)
>>>I have never received a reply.
>>>
>>><<Dear sir,
>>>I apologise for having to write to you but, I am unhappy with the treatment
>>>I received from Bob Bromps, a member of your church I am told.
>>>I enclose a copy of a letter I have been forced to send to a lot of people
>>>to advertise the way things are.
>>>Without going into fine detail, Bob Bromps has failed in his dealings with a
>>>lot of unsuspecting customers. Me included.
>>>Please read this copy, and try to make him see that his conduct leaves a lot
>>>to be desired.
>>>You, as a man of the church, may prevail on him to redress things.
>>>Thankyou.  Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>><<As you are all aware, I ordered four sets of castings from Bob Bromps way
>>>back.
>>>He assured me they were sent on the first of June. He also ignored my
>>>requests for scans of the postal receipts. Indeed, he has totally ignored
>>>all mail sent by me since.
>>>Today, I received castings for a R&V model, from Randy Rockwell, that were
>>>ordered a full month after I was told by Bromps that the castings I ordered
>>>from him had been sent.
>>>So, with the viewers of this message as witnesses, I demand the return of
>>>the US$1700.00 that was the sum of the check that Bromp cashed back in March
>>>that paid for the order.
>>>IF and WHEN, I get my order, I will be happy to pay the amount due.
>>>I must state to you all that, in my opinion, if you deal and trust the word
>>>of this man, then you are fools.
>>>He has proved himself to be a liar and should not be allowed to trade.
>>>Be warned by what has happened to me and a lot of others. Thanks for taking
>>>the time to read this. >>
>>>
>>>I am rather disappointed that in both cases, you declined to answer my plea
>>>for help, or even acknowledge my mail.
>>>I assure you that this is not a minor thing to me.
>>>I only sent to you because all other avenues are now closed to me and I am
>>>in the position of not being able to supply what was promised to purchasers
>>>of these engines after I have built them..
>>>Again, I am asking for your help in obtaining 8 flywheels that were paid for
>>>back in March 05.
>>>Without these castings, I cannot complete these machines.
>>>I await your reply saying you have viewed this mail.
>>>Thankyou. Reg Ingold.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Reg & Marg Ingold.
>>>Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>>>randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 19:09:22 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:09:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NEW OT!
Message-ID: <4397A3E2.6070306@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Didn't get this posted last night. Today I had second thoughts after 
reading the mail. From the heart for a great bunch of folks.

http://frapa.us/Merry.html


-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec  7 20:17:00 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:17:00 +1100
Subject: [SEL] NEW OT!
References: <4397A3E2.6070306@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <003101c5fbae$8b2d4bd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

That sure looks pretty. We had 100+ yesterday so I can look and not shiver! 
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "Oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 2:09 PM
Subject: [SEL] NEW OT!


> Hi all,
>
> Didn't get this posted last night. Today I had second thoughts after 
> reading the mail. From the heart for a great bunch of folks.
>
> http://frapa.us/Merry.html
>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
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From christison at coastalnet.com  Wed Dec  7 21:05:47 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:05:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <410-2200512485547562@coastalnet.com>

J. B.

Here is a patent for the process you describe:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=477525

Take care.

Ken


> [Original Message]
> From: <jbcast at charter.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/8/2005 12:03:39 AM
> Subject: [SEL] More springs
>
>
> Another spring question. An engine I'm restoring uses a barrel shaped
spring, looks like this, () or a handle on a chipping hammer. Anyone have
an idea on how to wind one? If you wind it on a barrel shaped form you
can't get it off after it's wound. The best idea I have so far is to stack
disc on a bolt and shape them, wind the spring and remove the disc between
the coils.
> J.B. Castagnos





From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec  7 21:14:21 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 00:14:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
Message-ID: <20051208.005210.576.14.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rick,

I would say dome toward the engine for better flow of exhaust.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Dec  8 04:01:28 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:01:28 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Young rally
Message-ID: <001101c5fbef$207dd480$7484dccb@oemcomputer>

I would like to congratulate 2 of our list members for there receiving of
legend in the hobby awards at the Young rally.They are Patrick for his
sharing of knowledge via the internet and Brock not sure of his award as I
wasn't at the presentations on the Saturday nigh maybe somebody can give us
some more info.These awards mean a great deal to those who are recognised in
this way in front of there pears.I along with Reg got awards at the last
Young rally and it was a real honour.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From jbcast at charter.net  Thu Dec  8 04:15:43 2005
From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 7:15:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] More springs
Message-ID: <4enjo0$1o5q53c@mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net>



> This is pure speculation but is it possible these barrel shaped springs 
> are not would on a mandrel at all?
> 
> Being in the copper rod casting business I have the opportunity to go to 
> the annual wire show on occasion. There are all kinds of equipment there 
> designed to process wire the thickness of a hair to as heavy as 2" in 
> diameter.
> 
> One of the machines I am most enamored with is used to make thinks like 
> coat hangers and other wire product shapes. Wire on large spools is fed 
> into the machine via strong  feed rolls. The wire is fed out of a 
> central iris. Around this iris are rollers, blocks and other forming 
> tools. Imagine this wire being fed out and there is a tool on one side 
> slightly in the path of the wire which is trying to go straight. The 
> wire will hit this tool and will be pushed to the side. Now the wire 
> will no longer travel straight out of the iris. In fact, depending on 
> the amount of interference the wire will curl and for a perfect circle 
> that will wrap back on itself. Now if you move this tool off of 
> centerline a little you will still form a circle, but it will not wrap 
> back on itself but rather it will form a helix. Keep pushing the wire 
> out for a dozen rounds and voila' you have a spring formed without the 
> use of a mandrel.
> 
> Now if you can make an adjustment to how far the tool is moved in and 
> out, in otherwords control the amount the tool is pushing on the wire, 
> then you should be able to vary the radius of the curve being formed. 
> Push the tool in to form a tight radius, pull it out to form a larger 
> radius, and then back in again to make the tight radius again. Now you 
> have made a barrel spring.
> 
> Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
> Curt Holland

 Thanks Curt, this is how probably how they're produced today, I think Steve W. has an earlier machine.
J.B.



From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec  8 06:05:53 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:05:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....
Message-ID: <43983DC1.3070704@imc-group.com>

Guys,
Before Thanksgiving I sent Starbolt an email looking for a couple of 
items for an engine. So far I have gotten no reply.
The email address I used came from their ad on Harry's and it is 
"starbolt4u at aol.com"

Is the correct address? Or are they off on vaction this time of year?
Thanks,
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Thu Dec  8 06:55:50 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:55:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
References: <410-22005123720519748@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV15433FF8529201ABC5B235BB420@phx.gbl>

Ok thanks Tim and guys...concave towards engine then,, is the way I take it.

Tom, I forget the manu. of the anvil..will look today.  Believe the number 
was 112 which didn't work for me on the coding of an anvil.  I'll weigh it 
today..always wanted to.

Reg..will try reversing and see if the note/report is different

Thanks again guys

MERRY CHRISTMAS
Rick




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle


>
> cupped side down towards the intake pipe.
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: sel <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/7/2005 8:36:45 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] New Way Muffler Baffle
> >
> >   Screwed up gang..which way does the baffle go on?
> >
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/513755056plAhti
> >
> >
> > Thanks fer looking
> > RickinMt.
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From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec  8 07:00:41 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:00:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>

What do you think?
On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
marbles would work as well as steel balls?
I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
it will be nearly $40!
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC


From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Dec  8 07:26:02 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:26:02 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c5fb84$1826ad90$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <120720052108.11631.43974F47000E91EE00002D6F21602807419B04049A03@att.net>	<43976023.8020100@insulate.co.uk>
	<00bb01c5fb84$1826ad90$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4398508A.9070002@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Paul

I had an English teacher who taught us that when complaining, start off 
polite.  If that fails, give 'em both barrels!!!!!

Dolly

PS  I'm hoping that ??? got the message and won't require further treatment!

Paul Maples wrote:

> Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their 
> money sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on 
> this issue.
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec  8 08:00:27 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:00:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
References: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <4398589B.2070904@scrtc.com>

Curt,
    Can't you get them in bronze from Hit and Miss, Lee Pederson or 
Starbolt?  One of those guys had them and they were inexpensive, about a 
buck.  I think marbles are a possiblity but if you are using them on a 
water pump, they may hammer the seat hard enough that they will chip.

    Or, go to ebay and buy this whole box of 1/2" stainless ball 
bearings and share them with all your list friends!

http://cgi.ebay.com/235-New-Ball-Mill-Stainless-Steel-Balls-Ball-Bearing_W0QQitemZ7569589445QQcategoryZ67033QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tommy Turner




> What do you think?
> On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
> it will be nearly $40!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec  8 08:51:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:51:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
References: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051208114615.0448c0d0@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>What do you think?
>On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
>marbles would work as well as steel balls?
>I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums it 
>will be nearly $40!
>Curt Holland

Hi Curt,
         I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down after 
time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of water 
in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic that 
saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck applications. 
They work just fine and cost me nothing.
         Dave 



From junque at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  8 10:50:53 2005
From: junque at shaw.ca (Robt)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:50:53 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Lister FR1 parts needed
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20051208104821.02c81010@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>

Just acquired a Lister FR1 which needs some parts, inluding fuel 
filter & housing, aluminum valve cover and a few others I have yet to 
identify.  Am also looking for 'feet' as this engine was mounted in a 
frame.  A crank would be useful too as no ring gear or starter on 
this one.  Many thanks!




From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 14:33:11 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 14:33:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <4398508A.9070002@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20051208223311.92944.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Helen,
   
  I like that.
  I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very politely.
  If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the ladder and say it again only much louder.  This works best mid-morning on Saturday.  The more shoppers around the better.
  It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms lately. 8>))
   
  Alan Bowen
  

Jim French <fbi at insulate.co.uk> wrote:
  Hi Paul

I had an English teacher who taught us that when complaining, start off 
polite. If that fails, give 'em both barrels!!!!!

Dolly

PS I'm hoping that ??? got the message and won't require further treatment!

Paul Maples wrote:

> Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their 
> money sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on 
> this issue.
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm


			
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From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com  Thu Dec  8 15:17:50 2005
From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:17:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....
References: <43983DC1.3070704@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5fc4d$9be0a7c0$6401a8c0@ThinkPadA31p>

T606rr6w 533 chec2 when 5 ret4rn t6 the sh6* Tb
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....


> Guys,
> Before Thanksgiving I sent Starbolt an email looking for a couple of items 
> for an engine. So far I have gotten no reply.
> The email address I used came from their ad on Harry's and it is 
> "starbolt4u at aol.com"
>
> Is the correct address? Or are they off on vaction this time of year?
> Thanks,
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 15:28:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:28:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
In-Reply-To: <20051208223311.92944.qmail@web31309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051208232801.26223.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

True enough.... the best way to get an expedient  appointment with the eye doctor is to suggest that you may well be  going blind.  Doing so allows one to jump the line, so to speak.  :-)
  Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease.  Sometimes it gets changed!
  JM

Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Helen,
   
  I like that.
  I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is  to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very  politely.
 If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the  ladder and say it again only much louder. This works best mid-morning  on Saturday. The more shoppers around the better.
  It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms lately. 8>))
   
  Alan Bowen
  

Jim French  wrote:
  Hi Paul

I had an English teacher who taught us that when complaining, start off 
polite. If that fails, give 'em both barrels!!!!!

Dolly

PS I'm hoping that ??? got the message and won't require further treatment!

Paul Maples wrote:

> Bravo!, Bravo! Dolly, well said, your parents did not waste their 
> money sending you to college. I totally agree with you and with Reg on 
> this issue.
>
-- 

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fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  8 17:24:24 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:24:24 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas
Message-ID: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>

Hi Gang, I know this is Off Topic but Hey!, this is Christmas. Thought I would share with you some of the wooden toys I have made to give to kids at Christmas who never get anything...........this is what Christmas is about isn't it.......giving and sharing. 

http://community.webshots.com/photo/519616794gTicmI


Merry Christmas to my all of my List Family!!!

Paul


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  8 17:38:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:38:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
References: <43984A99.6060101@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <74a05fcc9658d7deb730d4181a180705@chartertn.net>

If you get brass balls, you'll have to bring the engine inside in 
really cold weather.

John

On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Curt wrote:

> What do you think?
> On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
> it will be nearly $40!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec  8 17:56:32 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:56:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <74a05fcc9658d7deb730d4181a180705@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <4j4vqo$k3110@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au>

Very good!!

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp
Sent: Friday, 9 December 2005 9:39 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls

If you get brass balls, you'll have to bring the engine inside in 
really cold weather.

John

On Dec 8, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Curt wrote:

> What do you think?
> On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums 
> it will be nearly $40!


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec  8 17:57:56 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 17:57:56 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Starbolt address....
In-Reply-To: <002501c5fc4d$9be0a7c0$6401a8c0@ThinkPadA31p>
Message-ID: <018a01c5fc63$fabab8b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> T606rr6w 533 chec2 when 5 ret4rn t6 the sh6* Tb

T6mmy!  6n y6ur way t6 the sh6*, y6u'd better st6p 
by the c6mputer st6re t6 buy a new keyb6ard.

R6b





From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec  8 18:44:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:44:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>

I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
> >What do you think?
> >On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
> >marbles would work as well as steel balls?
> >I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums it 
> >will be nearly $40!
> >Curt Holland
> 
> Hi Curt,
>          I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down after 
> time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of water 
> in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic that 
> saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck applications. 
> They work just fine and cost me nothing.
>          Dave 
> 
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec  8 18:46:27 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:46:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <20051208.215400.1340.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Curt,

Sounds good - But - I would think the glass marbles would 
break seal as the surface gets tiny scratches - chips - etc.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  8 19:28:39 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:28:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <410-22005125932839375@earthlink.net>

Hummm, tried the getting louder method a couple of years ago to a list
member who never did pay me for shipping on some hedge balls that I sent by
his request.  Never worked for me.

Tim Christoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/8/2005 4:34:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help
>
> Hi Helen,
>    
>   I like that.
>   I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is
to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very
politely.
>   If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the ladder and say
it again only much louder.  This works best mid-morning on Saturday.  The
more shoppers around the better.
>   It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms
lately. 8>))
>    
>   Alan Bowen
>   
>




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec  8 20:09:03 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:09:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <5108a0fb5cd2e0dde6e93f06090e792d@chartertn.net>

Those toys you make are really cool, Paul!

John

On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, Paul Maples wrote:

> Hi Gang, I know this is Off Topic but Hey!, this is Christmas. Thought 
> I would share with you some of the wooden toys I have made to give to 
> kids at Christmas who never get anything...........this is what 
> Christmas is about isn't it.......giving and sharing.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/519616794gTicmI


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 12:29:12 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:29:12 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Lister FR1 parts needed
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051208104821.02c81010@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>
References: <6.2.3.4.0.20051208104821.02c81010@shawmail.gv.shawcable.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512081229j69fbbcfcqf12020401739304@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/8/05, Robt <junque at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Just acquired a Lister FR1 which needs some parts, inluding fuel
> filter & housing, aluminum valve cover and a few others I have yet to
> identify.  Am also looking for 'feet' as this engine was mounted in a
> frame.  A crank would be useful too as no ring gear or starter on
> this one.  Many thanks!
>

The fuel filter was cast integrally with the block, if yours is
cracked then you'll have to seal it as the water jacket is the other
side.

Spares are almost non-existent, but strangely we have new cylinder
heads here, complete with valves and springs, but nothing else.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Fri Dec  9 00:52:53 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:52:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8
References: <200512081700.jB8H03eX030140@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00fc01c5fc9d$f1663700$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SEL] What I want for Xmas
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c5fb87$612ea210$729281cb at ogborneuah38i3>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
reply-type=response

So it was you Paul...creeping around my workshop,do you by chance know Bob 
Bromps?

Please don't keep me in suspense - Didja find'em??  8^)


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec  9 06:23:00 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 06:23:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.ne
	t>
References: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <3594.165.206.180.34.1134138180.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

not all of the ones I've dealt with - haven't you ever seen the rusty
ones? Some can and do rust so I don't assume.
Maybe there are different materials but I have some rusty ones here.


Bill
Runnells, IA


> I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>> At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>> >What do you think?
>> >On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that
>> >marbles would work as well as steel balls?
>> >I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums
>> it
>> >will be nearly $40!
>> >Curt Holland
>>
>> Hi Curt,
>>          I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down
>> after
>> time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of
>> water
>> in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic
>> that
>> saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck
>> applications.
>> They work just fine and cost me nothing.
>>          Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec  9 06:44:38 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:44:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
References: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <43999856.6090208@imc-group.com>

Tom,
While there are certainly many SS bearings made for the food processing 
industry, I believe you'll find the vast majority of bearings are made 
of 52100 steel. That's 1% carbon steel and the only stuff that will let 
you get super hard Rc numbers. Typically around 50+ for bearings.
The higher the hardness the better the fatigue life.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

mullt at att.net wrote:

>I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.
>
>Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>  
>
>>At 10:00 AM 12/8/2005, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>What do you think?
>>>On larger fuel pumps with larger balls for checks, do you think that 
>>>marbles would work as well as steel balls?
>>>I've prices 1/2" and 9/16" diameter in stainless and with the minimums it 
>>>will be nearly $40!
>>>Curt Holland
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi Curt,
>>         I would be afraid that the (glass?) marbles would break down after 
>>time. Why do you want stainless anyway? Do you plan to use a lot of water 
>>in your fuel? Myself I use old ball bearings. I know a truck mechanic that 
>>saves me old ball bearings that he takes out of various truck applications. 
>>They work just fine and cost me nothing.
>>         Dave 
>>
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>>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec  9 07:48:13 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:48:13 EST
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
Message-ID: <100.219f1393.30cb013d@aol.com>

Curt, 

Wonder of the heavy equipment places might have old bearings with these size 
balls that you could get for nothing?  

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec  9 08:09:53 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:09:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Fuel pump check balls
In-Reply-To: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
References: <120920050244.7038.4398EF88000EE73500001B7E21603759649B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512091105290.19573@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

I think you'll find that the vast majority of ball bearings are high
carbon steel.  You need hardness on the order of RC 60+ to withstand the
contact stresses without deformation.  For some limited applications in
highly corrosive environments, you might see high carbon 400 series
stainless steels used.  But not typical 300 series stainless steels; those
are way too soft.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:

> I think ball berrings are typically stainless steel.
> Tom in St. Louis



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  9 15:48:36 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:48:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Delco light plant
Message-ID: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Just got this today. If interested contact direct. Sounds like free to me.

> Hi
> I have a delco light plant and transfer switch here in Rochester NY. I 
> hate to just scrap it, maybe one of your members would be interested?

> Marc Hamilton  SeaMarc at aol.com



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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Fri Dec  9 16:08:32 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:08:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>
References: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051209190708.033deb90@web1.nlenet.net>

Hi  I am 20 miles away and I need something to go with my Kohler light 
plant.  What have you got.

Frank DeWitt

At 06:48 PM 12/9/2005, Jeff Allen wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Just got this today. If interested contact direct. Sounds like free to me.
>
>>Hi
>>I have a delco light plant and transfer switch here in Rochester NY. I 
>>hate to just scrap it, maybe one of your members would be interested?
>
>>Marc Hamilton  SeaMarc at aol.com
>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec  9 18:46:36 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:46:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Etching Kwik Poly
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051209214311.02281710@mail.alltel.net>

Hi All,
	Several days ago I indicated that as soon as I got my K-P from Dale 
Portell I would try some muriatic acid on it to see if it would etch the 
K-P. I did, and it DOES NOT! Another good idea gone to hell!
	Dave 



From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Sat Dec 10 03:52:09 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:52:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <001701c5fd80$282ce800$d284dccb@oemcomputer>


EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387  
edsingns at winsoft.net.au 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 10 06:38:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:38:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>

See: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
	Dave



From bill at antique-engines.com  Sat Dec 10 14:50:16 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:50:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas
In-Reply-To: <01a401c5fc5f$4abc6340$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <20051210225019.273D926467B@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Those are COOL, in any season. Nicely done.
It's something I wouldn't mind in my own office, actually. OK, so I'm a kid.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:24 PM
To: Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Wooden Toys made for Christmas

Hi Gang, I know this is Off Topic but Hey!, this is Christmas. Thought I
would share with you some of the wooden toys I have made to give to kids at
Christmas who never get anything...........this is what Christmas is about
isn't it.......giving and sharing. 

http://community.webshots.com/photo/519616794gTicmI


Merry Christmas to my all of my List Family!!!

Paul
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sat Dec 10 19:33:53 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 14:33:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] engine men (and wummen)
Message-ID: <003901c5fe03$c9449840$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

There are a lot of pics of engine folk here.
I think a lot of newer list members are not aware of this site.
I think its about time to bring it up to date.
Go to it lads!

http://ralph.lafayette.la.us/stationary-engines/engine.people/
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec 10 23:02:31 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:02:31 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pictures 4 U
Message-ID: <001901c5fe20$dc7411d0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

Here's some pictures from this afternoon.  It's sort of a dual-purpose event:
it's an excuse for the local hot rodders to come out and play and it directly
benefits a local charity. 
 
All the engines are stationary -- in that they're all parked.  Ours was the only
stationary engine -- but it was moving.  
 
http://wapaus.rustyiron.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=25
 

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com <http://www.rustyiron.com/>  

 
 


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sun Dec 11 07:14:29 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:14:29 EST
Subject: [SEL] New Acquistion - Cushman Cub 2 HP
Message-ID: <1f8.17a374b7.30cd9c55@aol.com>

Hi List,
Yesterday, I picked up another engine.  It is a Cushman Cub -  2 HP.  It 
seems to be complete but, it does not run.  It is not stuck  and it has a WICO EK 
magneto without spark.  Since I am not too familiar  with this engine, I have 
several questions.
Questions are:
    1.  How is oil added to the  engine?
    2.  What is the correct oil level and  where is it checked?
    3.  How is the magneto  timed?
    4.  Is there a down loadable service  manual available?
    5.  Are there any good tips  I should know about this engine?
 
Thanks,  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 11 09:27:44 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 12:27:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Manns Green Bone Cutter
Message-ID: <1134322064.439c61904a81d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I just acquired a Mann's No.7 Green Bone Cutter that is a tribute to the
ability
of cast iron to resist years of rusting.  8-))

After sandblasting it will need to be painted.  Does anyone have info on what
color these were originally painted?

This is what it looks like mechanically.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-12.jpg
And these pages talk about the unique mechanical features.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-06.jpg
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-07.jpg

BTW if you're not familiar with the role these played in chicken & egg
production, the entire catalog makes for really interesting reading.
Ken has three of these bone cutter catalogs on his excellent web site.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/

Thanks!!

See ya,  Arnie

PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's Kritters; some astonishing
photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec 11 11:36:37 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:36:37 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Ken's Kritters
In-Reply-To: <1134322064.439c61904a81d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01c5fe8a$34e8ef70$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's 
> Kritters; some astonishing
> photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/
	

WOWZA!  

Ok, Ken.  Time to spill the beans.  The pictures are spectacular.  What kind of
hardware are you using to take those fancy pictures?  How close do you get to
your subjects before pushing the button?  What do you do for lighting?  

Rob




From christison at coastalnet.com  Sun Dec 11 12:09:48 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:09:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: Ken's Kritters
Message-ID: <410-220051201120948718@coastalnet.com>

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the comments re my kritters.  These pictures were all taken
with the Nikon D70 DSLR and most of the macro/closeup shots were 
taken with the 200mm Micro Nikkor.  I recently got a 80-400 Nikkor
VR (vibration reduction) zoom which is taking some getting used to.  I
posted this picture to the Off topic list last night:
http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/moon-cropped.jpg  I hope to get out 
and get some decent wildlife shots with this combo as soon as deer season
is over and the threat of getting shot is over;-)  I just found out we have
a
bunch of otters in the creek near us, so am looking forward to getting in
the canoe and checking them, out.

The macro shots are taken from pretty close quarters.  The minimum focusing 
distance with the Macro lens is about 10 inches which is a lot better than
the
shorter macro lenses.  Reduces the risk of bothering the kritters as well as
the chance of getting bit or stung.  Most of the lighting is natural, with
some
augmentation with the onboard flash.  I do need to get a good strobe, but
seem to feel the need for glass a little stronger.

This equipment isn't cheap, and I have had to sell a couple of cane mills
and
grist mills to help pay for them, but to me, it is well worth it.

Take care.

Ken




> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; Stationary Engine List
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/11/2005 2:37:02 PM
> Subject: Ken's Kritters
>
> > PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's 
> > Kritters; some astonishing
> > photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
> > http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/
> 	
>
> WOWZA!  
>
> Ok, Ken.  Time to spill the beans.  The pictures are spectacular.  What
kind of
> hardware are you using to take those fancy pictures?  How close do you
get to
> your subjects before pushing the button?  What do you do for lighting?  
>
> Rob
>
>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sun Dec 11 15:42:25 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:42:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
Message-ID: <002501c5feac$8a4d9f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

I just received a phone call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife, saying
that Arnie was operated on last week for brain cancer. Presently he is in rehab
and should be coming home in another week. After that he will have radiation 
and chemo treatments. Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and well known in
the engine world. I don't think he has ever missed a Portland show or swap meet.

From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 12 03:41:29 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:41:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] RE: Stover Engine Update
In-Reply-To: <121220051109.25604.439D5A7F0009DF6D0000640421979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <20051212114127.MQXQ18661.omta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

There are some photos of the Stover tractors in Power in the Past Vol.3. The
early ones seem to have been a Stover engine fitted to a tractor chassis (a
bit like IHC did) but the later ones were a different design. I would not
mind either type in my shed ;)
Curt has been trying to convince me to bring my YC Stover reunion but I
think it is a little heavy to fit in my luggage!

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/

-----Original Message-----


Hi John,
Yes Stover Mfg Co did make a limited quantity of tractors.  There is
supposed 
to be one on a farm around Freeport, Ill. but nobody can remember who owned 
it. One of the club elders told me about it some ten yrs back and he can't 
remember much as he is 96yrs now.  Sure would like to see one at our
reunion.
regards,
Curt Andree


> Did Stover make a tractor or just sell one?
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org
> [mailto:stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org] On Behalf Of
> cgandree at mchsi.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:14 AM
> To: Old eng list
> Subject: Stover Engine Update
> 
> Thought I might mention the upcoming "Stover Engine Reunion" being
> planned in 
> conjunction with the annual Stephenson County Antique Engine Show on
> 28,29 & 
> 30th of July 2006 in Freeport, Illinois  at the county fair grounds.
> Would like to see as many Stover engines,tractors and machinery as well
> as 
> collectibles brought to display.  More information to follow as we get
> closer 
> to the date.  Feel free to contact me via email,snail or phone for more
> info.
> Curt Andree
> 6419 Basswood Rd.
> McConnell, Illinois
> 815-868-2457
> cgandree at mschi.com
> cgandree at aol.com
> "Stovery Registry"
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Mon Dec 12 12:06:22 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:06:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
Message-ID: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

hello all,, after about a zillion phone calls i was finally able to make an appointment to see the
KCS bridge engine this morning,,,,,,,,,,following a several hundred yard walk down the tracks on the bridge, and a 
harrowing climb up a 35 foot ladder overhanging the red river another 50 or 60 feet below the 
ladder, we reached the engine platform,,,, the engine is in about the condition one would expect
after decades and decades of open exposure to the elements,,, some parts missing, some broken,,the name tag is long gone,,,,, we think its a fairbanks n, has flywhees about 68 inches
in dia.,,,,,,
does anyone know where i can find pictures or diagrams of the fm n's , to confirm the make and hp size?
i am now, again, at the mercy of the rail road as to when we can retreive the engine, but will post any updates asap,,
many thanks,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Mon Dec 12 14:21:25 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:51:25 +1030
Subject: [SEL] joining
Message-ID: <000701c5ff6a$646cdf00$5bc08890@chaos>

because something has broken



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Dec 12 17:41:40 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:41:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] - Test
Message-ID: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com>

Is the server down?  I haven't received any SEL email for a  few days.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Mon Dec 12 19:39:32 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:39:32 EST
Subject: [SEL] Mail
Message-ID: <267.2425a8c.30cf9c74@aol.com>

I haven't seen any list e-mail today.  Is it just me?   Thanks.


From michael.y at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec 12 23:21:43 2005
From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:21:43 +1100
Subject: [SEL] where is everybody
Message-ID: <001701c5ffb5$df00c420$0301a8c0@Young1203>

BlankIs it just me or is these no traffic lately??

Michael Young
5 Beech Crescent
Orange  NSW  2800
AUSTRALIA
http://community.webshots.com/user/mioldengines



From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Tue Dec 13 08:33:32 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:33:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <000901c60002$f51ad9b0$111f7546@mycomputer>

Is the list working??  I'm not getting anything..  Tom

From nick at holden1.net  Tue Dec 13 13:15:01 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:15:01 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] subscribe
Message-ID: <439F39D5.000007.23684@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>



From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec 13 13:54:04 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:54:04 -0000
Subject: [SEL] (no subject)
Message-ID: <001c01c6002f$ce7efed0$37602f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

test 
time 21:54

From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Dec 13 14:50:50 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:50:50 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>

This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer, not
even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used 
by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From FGreatwestern at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 15:17:09 2005
From: FGreatwestern at aol.com (FGreatwestern at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:17:09 EST
Subject: [SEL] Mailing list help
Message-ID: <20f.fbbb913.30d0b075@aol.com>

Please check to see that I'm on the mailing list.  I haven't received  
anything for a couple
days.  Thank you very much.
Fred Schultz


From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 19:07:50 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:07:50 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Delco light plant
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20051209190708.033deb90@web1.nlenet.net>
References: <439A17D4.4010409@earthlink.net>
	<6.2.1.2.0.20051209190708.033deb90@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <439F8C86.3010304@earthlink.net>

I don't have it. Read the post, and FTR, the jerk put in on e-bay after 
I posted this.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Frank DeWitt wrote:

> Hi  I am 20 miles away and I need something to go with my Kohler light 
> plant.  What have you got.
>
> Frank DeWitt
>
> At 06:48 PM 12/9/2005, Jeff Allen wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just got this today. If interested contact direct. Sounds like free 
>> to me.
>>
>>> Hi
>>> I have a delco light plant and transfer switch here in Rochester NY. 
>>> I hate to just scrap it, maybe one of your members would be interested?
>>
>>
>>> Marc Hamilton  SeaMarc at aol.com
>>
>>
>>  
>



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:13:26 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:13:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] - Test
In-Reply-To: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com>
References: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <439F8DD6.1030709@scrtc.com>

I haven't received anything either.  I got your message here in KY Francis.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Is the server down?  I haven't received any SEL email for a  few days.  
>
>Francis  Maciel
>Santa Maria, CA
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 13 19:16:33 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:16:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>

Dave,
   
I've seen some of Wendel's NEW BYB's sell on ebay for well over a 
hundred dollars.  Not bad when he'll send you one postpaid for $50 (I 
bought 2 as "spares").

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Tue Dec 13 19:24:35 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:24:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
Message-ID: <005c01c6005d$e80c3330$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Last Sunday I received a call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife, saying
the he was operated on for brain cancer last Wednesday. He is presently in rehab
and should be coming home soon.  Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and is
known by many in the engine world. A few years back Arnie and I bought approximately130 engines from a collector in North Dakota. He lives approximately 40 miles from Portland,
Indiana and probably has never missed a swap meet or show there in I don't know how many 
years.
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 19:43:20 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:43:20 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <439F94D8.9010102@earthlink.net>

And to think Arnie lost a case of the beer of his choice by turning down 
my bet. That one went for $110. Must be the season that brings these 
insane prices. Can't even snipe with insane bidders.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Dave Rotigel wrote:

> See: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>
>     Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 19:46:38 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:46:38 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
	<439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <439F959E.6010800@earthlink.net>

Hi Tommy,

Is it the same BYB, or the new version I've heard about? Where would one 
purchase the new ones?

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Judge Tommy Turner wrote:

> Dave,
>   I've seen some of Wendel's NEW BYB's sell on ebay for well over a 
> hundred dollars.  Not bad when he'll send you one postpaid for $50 (I 
> bought 2 as "spares").
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
>> See: 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>>
>>     Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Dec 13 19:50:52 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:50:52 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
Message-ID: <BAY113-F13C18A1449658F790F96BAE7380@phx.gbl>

Since becoming the Customer Service Area Supervisor for Kohl's 2 1/2 years 
ago, I have also learned several techniques that seem to work for our 
customers.

Tried one this past week end to get Menards to replace a defective keosene 
heater Bill bought, it worked like a charm.

The guy told me they were out of them but that I could drive about 25 miles 
to get another.  I at first politely asked when they were expecting a new 
shippment, he told me some time after Christmas.  I then said that was 
unacceptable and why could they not just transfer one to my local store from 
Crystal Lake, IL.  Justin told me that he didn't know when that would take 
place either, so I started to take the defective heater and my receipt and 
just said I guess I would have to complain to corporate about the really 
poor customer service I had received from him, this was done on a very busy 
Sunday afternoon at the customer service desk which is right by the front 
door where ALL the customers enter the store.  Justin proceeded to take his 
cell phone to the other end of the counter, he was no longer talking to me.  
After his phone conversation he told the person behind the counter to return 
the defective heater and then "pre-pay" the one he was going to go get on 
Monday from Crystal Lake.  I got a phone call from the Department Manager 
Bill at about 6:00 PM on Monday to say the heater was in Palatine and I 
could pick it up any time.

So I guess I did learn something from our Kohl's customers.

I didn't used to be this way, but when he copped and attitude, that is when 
I played "nasty" customer back.

So it worked for me Tim, maybe I need to give seminars at Portland on how to 
get your way with most companies today??

Just joking!!

Happy Holidays!!!

Peg


>From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help
>Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:28:39 -0600
>
>Hummm, tried the getting louder method a couple of years ago to a list
>member who never did pay me for shipping on some hedge balls that I sent by
>his request.  Never worked for me.
>
>Tim Christoff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Alan Bowen <rustaholic777 at yahoo.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/8/2005 4:34:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help
> >
> > Hi Helen,
> >
> >   I like that.
> >   I have found the best way to return a defective product to a store is
>to tell them the problem and what I expect them to do about it very
>politely.
> >   If that doesn't work then ask for the next person up the ladder and 
>say
>it again only much louder.  This works best mid-morning on Saturday.  The
>more shoppers around the better.
> >   It almost seems unfair that stores are so quick to accept my terms
>lately. 8>))
> >
> >   Alan Bowen
> >
> >
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 13 20:19:38 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:19:38 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: re Help
References: <BAY113-F13C18A1449658F790F96BAE7380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012401c60065$de276b20$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hey Peg, ya wanna try getting my flywheels for me??
VBG
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" <old_iron at msn.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: re Help


> Since becoming the Customer Service Area Supervisor for Kohl's 2 1/2 years
> ago, I have also learned several techniques that seem to work for our
> customers.
>
> Tried one this past week end to get Menards to replace a defective keosene
> heater Bill bought, it worked like a charm.




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 13 20:41:30 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <1134535290.439fa27aee889@webmail.city-net.com>

Hey Bill,

If that engine is an N it's really worth saving!!  Did you take any pics while
you were up there?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Bill Boyce <bboyce at swat.coop>:

> hello all,, after about a zillion phone calls i was finally able to make an
> appointment to see the KCS bridge engine this morning




From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Tue Dec 13 20:51:31 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:51:31 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
Message-ID: <006d01c6006a$0eaeade0$6185dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi.Do any list people have a 3hp vertical air cooled Famous.I am after some
repo parts or drawings to make what I need.PARTS needed are: Fan,muffler and
timing lever.Any help or contacts would be much appreciated.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au




From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Dec 14 03:49:01 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:49:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] where is everybody
In-Reply-To: <001701c5ffb5$df00c420$0301a8c0@Young1203>
References: <001701c5ffb5$df00c420$0301a8c0@Young1203>
Message-ID: <43A006AD.2010502@comcast.net>

It could be the hacking/virus outbreaks (Sober?) that are being 
exploited in Sony/BMG's  >Now Recalled<  Rootkits. 52 CD's over the last 
7 Months....and all types:Billie Holiday,New groups,across the board. 
52!   They say nobody is taking the CD's back!

This could raise hell with the www.


From guitronics at comcast.net  Wed Dec 14 03:54:26 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:54:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] - Test
In-Reply-To: <439F8DD6.1030709@scrtc.com>
References: <fa.21378a96.30cf80d4@aol.com> <439F8DD6.1030709@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <43A007F2.3020702@comcast.net>

You all are coming through loud and clear,10-4.


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 04:20:07 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
Message-ID: <001701c600a8$b895ab40$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Subject: Arnie's Operation


Last Sunday I received a call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife, saying
the he was operated on for brain cancer last Wednesday. He is presently in rehab
and should be coming home soon.  Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and is
known by many in the engine world. A few years back Arnie and I bought approximately130 engines from a collector in North Dakota. He lives approximately 40 miles from Portland,
Indiana and probably has never missed a swap meet or show there in I don't know how many 
years.
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 14 04:22:11 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:22:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <439F959E.6010800@earthlink.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>	<439F8E91.9000503@scrtc.com>
	<439F959E.6010800@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43A00E73.6040501@scrtc.com>

Jeff,
    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
the earlier one.  I've set the the old BYB and the new one side by side 
and compared photos and can't tell any difference in the quality.  You 
can contact Wendel directly and order one.  I don't have his address 
here on my home computer but I'm sure some of our SEL friends can 
forward it to you.  I can in a while after I get to the office and warm 
the computer up.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Jeff Allen wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>
> Is it the same BYB, or the new version I've heard about? Where would 
> one purchase the new ones?
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Judge Tommy Turner wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>   I've seen some of Wendel's NEW BYB's sell on ebay for well over a 
>> hundred dollars.  Not bad when he'll send you one postpaid for $50 (I 
>> bought 2 as "spares").
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>> Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>
>>> See: 
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 
>>>
>>>     Dave
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 04:23:27 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:23:27 -0500
Subject: Fw: [SEL] Manns Green Bone Cutter
Message-ID: <001f01c600a9$2fd02140$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

I aquired one several years ago out of a barn in NY and it was painted 
black. Also
one I saw in the Ford Museum was painted black.

Charlie Bryant


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 12:27 PM
Subject: [SEL] Manns Green Bone Cutter


> Hi Folks,
>
> I just acquired a Mann's No.7 Green Bone Cutter that is a tribute to the
> ability
> of cast iron to resist years of rusting.  8-))
>
> After sandblasting it will need to be painted.  Does anyone have info on 
> what
> color these were originally painted?
>
> This is what it looks like mechanically.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-12.jpg
> And these pages talk about the unique mechanical features.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-06.jpg
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/mann-07.jpg
>
> BTW if you're not familiar with the role these played in chicken & egg
> production, the entire catalog makes for really interesting reading.
> Ken has three of these bone cutter catalogs on his excellent web site.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/cutters/
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/
>
> Thanks!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - While you're on Ken's site take a look at Ken's Kritters; some 
> astonishing
> photos of the quality you associate with National Geographic.
> http://www.oldiron-nut.com/gallery/
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 14 04:29:56 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:29:56 +0000
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F266048725CDBFBCE7EA1E1C8380@phx.gbl>

Thanks for the update Bill. I've been wondering if there was any progress. I 
have a few pictures of a big Fairbanks, but don't know if it is a type N. 
The pictures are here

http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason28.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason29.jpg
http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/mason04/mason30.jpg

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===============================

>From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
>
>hello all,, after about a zillion phone calls i was finally able to make an 
>appointment to see the
>KCS bridge engine this morning,,,,,,,,,,following a several hundred yard 
>walk down the tracks on the bridge, and a
>harrowing climb up a 35 foot ladder overhanging the red river another 50 or 
>60 feet below the
>ladder, we reached the engine platform,,,, the engine is in about the 
>condition one would expect
>after decades and decades of open exposure to the elements,,, some parts 
>missing, some broken,,the name tag is long gone,,,,, we think its a 
>fairbanks n, has flywhees about 68 inches
>in dia.,,,,,,
>does anyone know where i can find pictures or diagrams of the fm n's , to 
>confirm the make and hp size?
>i am now, again, at the mercy of the rail road as to when we can retreive 
>the engine, but will post any updates asap,,
>many thanks,,
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas




From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Dec 14 05:15:56 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:15:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
not answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
trespassing if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
parties use those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 05:44:00 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:44:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <121420051344.15283.43A021A00005AACB00003BB321612436469B04049A03@att.net>

Peter,

I am in Missouri in the US. For years we have had a law that allowed people to put their names on a "no call list" to keep the telemarketers from calling. Several companies have been fined for violating the law and calling people who do not want to be called. I would start by calling your local elected representative and suggest they try to introduce such a law where you are.

The only other suggestion is to get caller ID on your telephone service. If you don't recognize the caller of the incoming call, don't answer.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer, not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used 
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 14 05:54:00 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:54:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
References: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <43A023F8.4000209@scrtc.com>

Bill,
    Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the 
Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state 
but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going 
after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an 
engine......

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
>not answer it.
>
>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
>What a moron.
>
>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
>
>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
>parties use those here.
>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
>
>Bill
>Runnells, Iowa
>
>  
>
>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
>>not
>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
>>Peter Ogborne
>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>West Australia
>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 05:55:31 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:55:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20051214135531.77814.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

We suffer in a similar fashion and Bill is correct...there ain't much you can do but swear and hang up.
  A lot of this intrusion originates in India. The companies train their indiginous people to speak in an "American" dialect.
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
not answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
trespassing if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
parties use those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>

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From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 06:15:03 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:15:03 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <121420051415.9644.43A028E6000C202A000025AC21603760219B04049A03@att.net>

In Missouri, it is the state attorney general who pursues violators of the no call list. He has been very aggressive in going after them. It has been very effective, we rarely get telemarketing calls. If we do get them, we can tell the caller to put us on their no call list. If they call again, we can complain to the attorney general. If they get enough complaints, they will file a suit against the telemarketer.

When we do get a telemarketing call, if I tell them we are on the no call list, they usually apologize and quickly end the call.

Tom in St. Louis


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the 
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state 
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going 
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an 
> engine......
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> >Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
> >not answer it.
> >
> >It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
> >either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
> >call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
> >soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
> >What a moron.
> >
> >And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
> >trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
> >
> >Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
> >Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
> >and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
> >parties use those here.
> >You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
> >
> >Bill
> >Runnells, Iowa
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> >>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> >>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> >>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in the
> >>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> >>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> >>not
> >>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> >>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
> >>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> >>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and used
> >>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> >>Peter Ogborne
> >>Little Grove ,Albany
> >>West Australia
> >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >>jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Dec 14 06:19:08 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:19:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <43A023F8.4000209@scrtc.com>
References: <000a01c60037$aea6b500$cc9e81cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
	<43A023F8.4000209@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <2515.165.206.180.19.1134569948.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

"Yes, sir - I'll be right over, sir, thank you for calling sir"

:-)

How do you go after automated calls in which there is no contact info, no
caller ID and it's a one time thing? (or they keep changing locations and
messages)
They know darned well it's a pain to take the time and effort to take your
case to the state. They know few will ever pursue it.
You have to document the heck out of everything, exact times, messages,
etc. Who can or will do it?
Sort of like rebates, fewer than 15% ever actually complete the forms and
send them in.

Bill


> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an
> engine......
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
>>not answer it.
>>
>>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
>>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
>>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
>>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
>>What a moron.
>>
>>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
>>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
>>
>>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
>>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
>>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
>>parties use those here.
>>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
>>
>>Bill
>>Runnells, Iowa
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
>>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
>>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
>>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
>>> the
>>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
>>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
>>>not
>>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
>>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
>>> elephant
>>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
>>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
>>> used
>>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
>>>Peter Ogborne
>>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>>West Australia
>>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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>>>
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 06:34:56 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:34:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <121420051415.9644.43A028E6000C202A000025AC21603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <000001c600bb$8f706530$6db85904@lyle0592c054dd>

I'm from Ohio and we do have a "DO NOT CALL LIST", when someone calls me and
try to sell me something even though it is not nice, I will buy every thing
they have to offer and spend as much time on the phone with them as I can. I
string them along and when we get down to the last part and they ask for my
credit card number then I hang up on them. This seems to work well for me as
it sure has cut the calls down after you do this a few times. They hate
having you waste their time by doing orders you do not want and they hate it
after they spend ten minutes selling you something thinking they have a sale
and you just go click.
Lyle 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of mullt at att.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:15 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

In Missouri, it is the state attorney general who pursues violators of the
no call list. He has been very aggressive in going after them. It has been
very effective, we rarely get telemarketing calls. If we do get them, we can
tell the caller to put us on their no call list. If they call again, we can
complain to the attorney general. If they get enough complaints, they will
file a suit against the telemarketer.

When we do get a telemarketing call, if I tell them we are on the no call
list, they usually apologize and quickly end the call.

Tom in St. Louis


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the 
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state 
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going 
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an 
> engine......
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
> >Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
> >not answer it.
> >
> >It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
> >either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
> >call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
> >soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
> >What a moron.
> >
> >And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
> >trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
> >
> >Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
> >Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
> >and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
> >parties use those here.
> >You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
> >
> >Bill
> >Runnells, Iowa
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> >>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> >>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> >>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
the
> >>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> >>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> >>not
> >>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> >>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
elephant
> >>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> >>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
used
> >>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> >>Peter Ogborne
> >>Little Grove ,Albany
> >>West Australia
> >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >>jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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> >>    
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 06:52:11 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:52:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2515.165.206.180.19.1134569948.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <20051214145211.93096.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

There are a couple of "issues" with the phone call  scene.  One of which is that there is no "prevention" if you have  already an established relationship with the calling party or  company.  Another is that these callers are free to contact  businesses without any prohibition.  In other words, if "Bill"  (let's say) operates a motor repair shop as a business and has a  business-list phone number.  Even if poor ole' "Bill" is all by  himself in a drafty garage somewhere, he is "eligible" to be called by  a telemarketer and the "do not call" proceed does not "protect" him.
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  "Yes, sir - I'll be right over, sir, thank you for calling sir"

:-)

How do you go after automated calls in which there is no contact info, no
caller ID and it's a one time thing? (or they keep changing locations and
messages)
They know darned well it's a pain to take the time and effort to take your
case to the state. They know few will ever pursue it.
You have to document the heck out of everything, exact times, messages,
etc. Who can or will do it?
Sort of like rebates, fewer than 15% ever actually complete the forms and
send them in.

Bill


> Bill,
>     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the
> Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state
> but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going
> after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an
> engine......
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
>>not answer it.
>>
>>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
>>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
>>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
>>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
>>What a moron.
>>
>>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
>>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
>>
>>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
>>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
>>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
>>parties use those here.
>>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
>>
>>Bill
>>Runnells, Iowa
>>
>>
>>
>>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
>>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
>>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
>>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
>>> the
>>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
>>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
>>>not
>>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
>>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
>>> elephant
>>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
>>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
>>> used
>>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
>>>Peter Ogborne
>>>Little Grove ,Albany
>>>West Australia
>>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 07:06:04 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:06:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <20051214135531.77814.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>

Only 2 ideas I have is let an answering machine "monitor" the calls &
only pick up if you want to talk to the caller or if I'm not mistaken
these calls are not allowed to cell phones?  Regular number gets them a
lot when I'm not home (usually busy when I'm home as I'm usually online)
& I don't recall ever getting one on the cell phone.

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of James
Moran
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:56 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

We suffer in a similar fashion and Bill is correct...there ain't much
you can do but swear and hang up.
  A lot of this intrusion originates in India. The companies train their
indiginous people to speak in an "American" dialect.
  JM

bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  Here I'd use caller ID and if they
don't let their ID come through, I'd
not answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm
not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
trespassing if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come
anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
parties use those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know
it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and
the
> message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
the
> bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no
answer,
> not
> even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
elephant
> Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
used
> by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this
problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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From MBellar at aol.com  Wed Dec 14 07:42:04 2005
From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:42:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] famous
Message-ID: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>

Ed;
Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and they 
seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
 
Tom


From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 09:13:33 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:13:33 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <121420051713.9869.43A052BC000BBCED0000268D21587667559B04049A03@att.net>

In Missouri, they can call you if you already have a business relationship with them. But if I tell them to put us on their no call list, they have to do it and stop calling. I went through that with SBC sometime back. They kept calling even though I sent them a letter telling them to stop (yes I kept a copy). When they kept calling I complained to the state attorney general.

Several months later, I got a call from the attorney generals office asking me if I would give a deposition because they were suing SBC for violating the law. (SBC kept calling other people and they also complained). The case never went to court, SBC agreed out of court to pay a fine. AT&T got nailed too.

Most telemarkerters don't bother calling businesses. They can't get by the secretary (or whoever) to get to the person who makes the buying decisions. So they usually don't bother calling businesses. Try calling Microsoft to sell Bill Gates some siding for his house.

The no call list has worked very well in Missouri. I think the voters just need to get onto the politicians.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> There are a couple of "issues" with the phone call  scene.  One of which is that 
> there is no "prevention" if you have  already an established relationship with 
> the calling party or  company.  Another is that these callers are free to 
> contact  businesses without any prohibition.  In other words, if "Bill"  (let's 
> say) operates a motor repair shop as a business and has a  business-list phone 
> number.  Even if poor ole' "Bill" is all by  himself in a drafty garage 
> somewhere, he is "eligible" to be called by  a telemarketer and the "do not 
> call" proceed does not "protect" him.
>   JM
> 
> bill at antique-engines.com wrote:  "Yes, sir - I'll be right over, sir, thank you 
> for calling sir"
> 
> :-)
> 
> How do you go after automated calls in which there is no contact info, no
> caller ID and it's a one time thing? (or they keep changing locations and
> messages)
> They know darned well it's a pain to take the time and effort to take your
> case to the state. They know few will ever pursue it.
> You have to document the heck out of everything, exact times, messages,
> etc. Who can or will do it?
> Sort of like rebates, fewer than 15% ever actually complete the forms and
> send them in.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> > Bill,
> >     Direct TV just had to make a $5,000,000 settlement for violating the
> > Do Not Call provisions.  I don't know who enforces the law in your state
> > but here in KY its the Attorney General.  He's done a good job of going
> > after violators.  How do you handle someone calling trying to sell an
> > engine......
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >>Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd
> >>not answer it.
> >>
> >>It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
> >>either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to
> >>call anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
> >>soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
> >>What a moron.
> >>
> >>And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like
> >>trespassing if I don't want them on my line.
> >>
> >>Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
> >>Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls
> >>and when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political
> >>parties use those here.
> >>You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>Runnells, Iowa
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is
> >>>something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> >>>The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and the
> >>>message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you are in
> >>> the
> >>>bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> >>>Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no answer,
> >>>not
> >>>even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been the case[ my
> >>>solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
> >>> elephant
> >>>Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> >>>Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and
> >>> used
> >>>by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this problem?
> >>>Peter Ogborne
> >>>Little Grove ,Albany
> >>>West Australia
> >>>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> >>>jopeter at omninet.net.au
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 10:32:18 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:32:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c600dc$b7651ce0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

I understand Don is presently recuperating from heart surgery but is home.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine (where it will soon be ice fishing time)



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Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> Ed;
> Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
they
> seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>
> Tom
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 23:52:07 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:52:07 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
References: <6.1.2.0.0.20051210093739.02281710@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512132352r27c3752ajbd47e65b2eec4948@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/10/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
> See:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6584055778&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1
>         Dave
>

I did bid on the leather-bound & signed prsentation copy last week,
but it went over my limit ($310)  I did manage to pick up a mint 1983
embossed leatherette copy for $210 including airmail to the UK, so not
a bad 'consolation prize'.

Peter
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec 14 11:40:47 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:40:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
References: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <5e5d2b37a5db56e7e371b9a5294beb15@chartertn.net>

> if I'm not mistaken
> these calls are not allowed to cell phones?

True, but the calls are coming to cell phones nonetheless. Unsolicited 
ads to fax machines are forbidden, but still come. Antispam laws 
haven't stopped spam either.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Wed Dec 14 12:01:16 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 15:01:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <2145.165.206.180.19.1134566156.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <E1EmcoZ-0005S0-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	We installed a ZAPPER from Radio Shack.
It made a world of difference. It beeps when each
call is answered which indicates to the calling
computer that the number has been diconnected.
No more calls from that system. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
bill at antique-engines.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:16 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

Here I'd use caller ID and if they don't let their ID come through, I'd not
answer it.

It's a major problem and the "do not call" lists don't work worth a hoot
either as the caller say "it's their right to free speech to be able to call
anyone for any reason". One time the fellow argued and said "I'm not
soliciting or selling anything, we are just offering these great deals".
What a moron.

And as far as their "right" to call me - BUNK - to me it's like trespassing
if I don't want them on my line.

Automated calls are supposed to be illegal in Iowa, but they come anyway.
Those are the ones where there never is a real person, a computer calls and
when it detects a pickup, it plays a message. Even the political parties use
those here.
You have a heck of a time catching them or tracing them and they know it.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> This is something that i am now experiencing but from what i read is 
> something that the US and the UK have had for some time.
> The phone rings and because you have the answer phone connected and 
> the message kicks in after 6 rings you rush to the phone and if you 
> are in the bloody workshop it is even worse ,i.e. you trip over something!
> Anyway when you pick up the phone and say ''hello '' there is no 
> answer, not even the bloody man from Bombay or Calcutta as has been 
> the case[ my solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with 
> my pet elephant Abdullah ,he has gone off his food].
> Seems these unanswered calls are " Cold Calls, computer generated and 
> used by call centres.Anyone got any good ideas of how to combat this
problem?
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Wed Dec 14 12:40:15 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:40:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>

Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have contacted
many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: <MBellar at aol.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> Ed;
> Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
they
> seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>
> Tom
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Wed Dec 14 13:29:20 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:29:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <5e5d2b37a5db56e7e371b9a5294beb15@chartertn.net>
References: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
	<5e5d2b37a5db56e7e371b9a5294beb15@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <3790.165.206.180.19.1134595760.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

When we had our store, we got ads to the FAX weekly, literally, from all
sorts including realestate companies and agents to people selling laser
printer toner, and those toner sales people are ruthless as they come when
spamming email, FAX, etc. Some have been to jail, they get out and do it
again.

Bill

>> if I'm not mistaken
>> these calls are not allowed to cell phones?
>
> True, but the calls are coming to cell phones nonetheless. Unsolicited
> ads to fax machines are forbidden, but still come. Antispam laws
> haven't stopped spam either.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Dec 14 13:43:35 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <007301c600f7$6fdf38e0$4672a418@pengy>

Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an original?

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
> can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have contacted
> many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
> EDD PAYNE
> PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> 0263742387
> edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MBellar at aol.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
> Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>
>
>> Ed;
>> Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
> they
>> seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Wed Dec 14 14:15:29 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:15:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
In-Reply-To: <007301c600f7$6fdf38e0$4672a418@pengy>
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>

If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also 
dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels 
and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp Vertical 
Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo leaver but 
it is yet to be machined

Russell


At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an original?
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>
>
>>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
>>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have contacted
>>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
>>EDD PAYNE
>>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>>0263742387
>>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>>
>>
>>>Ed;
>>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
>>they
>>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From mullt at att.net  Wed Dec 14 14:52:39 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:52:39 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT True Definitions of Tools (-:
Message-ID: <121420052252.13269.43A0A234000C5D98000033D521602810609B04049A03@att.net>

The True Definition Of Tools

DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest and flings your beer across the room, splattering it against that freshly painted automobile part you were drying.

WIRE WHEEL: Cleans paint off bolts and then throws them somewhere under the workbench with the speed of light. Also removes fingerprint whorls and hard-earned guitar calluses in about the time it takes you to say, "Ouch...."

ELECTRIC HAND DRILL: Normally used for spinning pop rivets in their holes until you die of old age.

PLIERS: Used to round off bolt heads.

HACKSAW: One of a family of cutting tools built on the Ouija board principle. It transforms human energy into a crooked, unpredictable motion, and the more you attempt to influence its course, the more dismal your future becomes.

VISE-GRIPS: Used to round off bolt heads. If nothing else is available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to the palm of your hand.

OXYACETYLENE TORCH: Used almost entirely for lighting various flammable objects in your shop on fire. Also handy for igniting the grease inside the wheel hub you want the bearing race out of.

WHITWORTH SOCKETS: Once used for working on older British cars and motorcycles, they are now used mainly for impersonating that 9/16 or 1/2 socket you've been searching for the last 15 minutes.

HYDRAULIC FLOOR JACK: Used for lowering an automobile to the ground after you have installed your new brake shoes, trapping the jack handle firmly under the bumper.

EIGHT-FOOT LONG DOUGLAS FIR 2X4: Used for levering an automobile upward off a
hydraulic jack handle.

TWEEZERS: A tool for removing wood splinters.

PHONE: Tool for calling your neighbor to see if he has a tool for getting dog **** off your boot.

E-Z OUT BOLT AND STUD EXTRACTOR: A tool ten times harder than any known drill bit that snaps off in bolt holes you couldn't use anyway.

TWO-TON ENGINE HOIST: A tool for testing the tensile strength on everything you forgot to disconnect.

CRAFTSMAN 1/2 x 16-INCH SCREWDRIVER: A large pry bar that inexplicably has an accurately machined screwdriver tip on the end opposite the handle.

AVIATION METAL SNIPS: See hacksaw.

TROUBLE LIGHT: The home mechanic's own tanning booth. Sometimes called a drop light, it is a good source of vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin," which is not otherwise found under cars at night. Health benefits aside, it's main purpose is to consume 40-watt light bulbs at about the same rate that 105-mm howitzer shells might be used during, say, the first few hours of the Battle of the Bulge. More often dark than light, its name is somewhat misleading.

PHILLIPS SCREWDRIVER: Normally used to stab the lids of old-style paper-and-tin oil cans and splash oil on your shirt; but can also be used, as the name implies, to strip out Phillips screw heads.

AIR COMPRESSOR: A machine that takes energy produced in a coal-burning power plant 200 miles away and transforms it into compressed air that travels by hose to a Chicago pneumatic impact wrench that grips rusty bolts last over-tightened 50 years ago by someone at Ford, and neatly rounds off their heads.

PRY BAR: A tool used to crumple the metal surrounding that clip or bracket you needed to remove in order to replace a 50 cent part.

HOSE CUTTER: A tool used to cut hoses too short.

HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer
nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts not far from the object we are trying to hit.

MECHANIC'S KNIFE: Used to open and slice through the contents of cardboard cartons delivered to your front door; works particularly well on contents such as seats, vinyl records, liquids in plastic bottles, collector magazines, refund checks, and rubber or plastic parts -- also skin.

DAMMIT TOOL: Any handy tool that you grab and throw across the garage while yelling "DAMMIT" at the top of your lungs. It is also the next tool that you will need.

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight, which somehow eases those pains and indignities following our every deficiency in foresight.

AMEN !!

Tom in St. Louis


From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Dec 14 15:38:26 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:38:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls...arkansas style
References: <004401c600bf$e8212e40$2eafe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <002801c60107$7ba81650$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

we have a no call law in arkansas, but when one does slip thru the cracks 
and gets to my phone, i sound very interested in their product, tell them i 
do want it, and if they can issue me credit until i recover from Chapter 7 , 
then i can pay them,,,,,,,,,, CLICK
bill boyce
lost prairie arkansas 




From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Dec 14 15:41:17 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:41:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
References: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
	<1134535290.439fa27aee889@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites to post them 
on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off list, just let me know
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update





From bboyce at swat.coop  Wed Dec 14 15:45:12 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:45:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
References: <BAY103-F266048725CDBFBCE7EA1E1C8380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601c60108$6e16ec40$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

thanks luke,,, although the bridge engine doesnt look near as big as the 
ones in your pics, it does have a lot of the same features, so maybe it is a 
"N"
bill boyce
lost prairie arkansas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Tonneberger" <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:29 AM
Subject: RE: [SEL] bridge engine update


> Thanks for the update Bill. I've been wondering if there was any progress. 
> I have a few pictures of a big Fairbanks, but don't know if it is a type 
> N. The pictures are here
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 16:08:46 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:08:46 -0700
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <000a01c5ff57$86b05d70$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>	<1134535290.439fa27aee889@webmail.city-net.com>
	<002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A0B40E.9090704@earthlink.net>

Hi Bill,

Send em my way and I'll post them on my site for all to see.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Bill Boyce wrote:

> arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites to post 
> them on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off list, just let me know
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update
>
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From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 14 16:11:30 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:11:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <00af01c6010c$1a674a50$15a8e104@OFFICELEW>

You can go to photobucket.com & set up a free album; then just post a
link.  Works great; I'm on a forum that this is the only to do pix. 

Lew


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:41 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update

arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites to post
them 
on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off list, just let me know
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update



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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec 14 16:37:52 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:37:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <002f01c60107$e303be30$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <009701c6010f$c9a21e20$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> arnie, i did take pics, but dont have one of those web sites 
> to post them on,, if you'd like, i can send some email off 
> list, just let me know

Hiya Bill,
If you like, you can upload 'em to the photo gallery at 
http://www.wapa.us/gallery/index.php?cat=1

Rob





From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 14 18:12:38 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:12:38 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Operation
References: <005c01c6005d$e80c3330$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43A06B0D.3020402@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000801c6011d$06436fc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

 Curt, I was thinking about our trip to Arnie's today. I haven't heard from
Pat
since Sunday His address is:  10751 N 600E
                                            Monroeville, IN  46773

Charlie







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "Charles R Bryant" <mogul460 at localnet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Arnie's Operation


> Charlie,
> Could you send his snail addy?
>
> I'd like to drop him a note. I'm real fond of Arnie and I really enjoyed
> the trip you, Jim White, and I made to his place years ago.
> On of those places and people you'll never forget!
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
> Charles R Bryant wrote:
>
> >Last Sunday I received a call from Pat Hartman, Arnie Hartman's wife,
saying
> >the he was operated on for brain cancer last Wednesday. He is presently
in rehab
> >and should be coming home soon.  Arnie is from Monroeville, Indiana and
is
> >known by many in the engine world. A few years back Arnie and I bought
approximately130 engines from a collector in North Dakota. He lives
approximately 40 miles from Portland,
> >Indiana and probably has never missed a swap meet or show there in I
don't know how many
> >years.
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Thu Dec 15 02:53:00 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:53:00 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink's website
Message-ID: <6f6025160512150253v73a8f79frf2c375d9f24d6f44@mail.gmail.com>

We have had confirmation from Ria Hammink today that she is happy for
John's site to remain on Oldengine.org indefinitely.

We will make the small changes required to take out John's email
address and a note to the affect that John has passed on.

I have sent a 'thank-you' note back to Ria.

Peter
--
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Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Thu Dec 15 02:43:09 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:09 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Pictures and engines
Message-ID: <200512151310859.SM01500@new.databak.co.za>

Hi The Lists,
         I wrote about pictures and editing them for web or eMail (Re: 
Norman pics  (Addition))
towards the end of last week but then my telephone went down and I could 
not log on to get mail and I also went away for 2 days. I've just got back 
and have not even had time to check all my mail yet. If there are any posts 
that need answers I will do so in the next day as soon as all is back to 
normal.

         I had a very successful trip with 2 friends down to the Karoo (a 
semi desert sheep farming area in central South Africa.) A Wolseley R type 
(from the mid 1920's) that I have spoken to a few of you about followed me 
home as well as an aircooled Petter genset (of military origin). Pics will 
follow soon.
         All in all we came back with the Wolseley and Petter, a Ruston & 
Hornsby size 2, about 5 other Petters (including a very early 
aircooled  twin cylinder horizontal , one Benford top (bogtop) and a few 
others), a Fairbanks 6HP, a Bamford, a Massey Harris/Cushman Cub, a Lister 
A, and 2 Alco gensets (also of military origin) plus a lot of other 
"goodies". What I would call a good haul.


Best Regards
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From edsingns at winsoft.net.au  Thu Dec 15 04:16:41 2005
From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:16:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com><003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>

Hi Russel.Not sure that the hopper cooled and air cooled Famous engines have
a speed control.What they do have is a lever that is for the ign timing
which is on a quadrant.My engine has the quadrant but not the lever.So maybe
when I get my engine and see what is needed we can work it out.Now about the
muffler the on a 3hp is different entirely to a 2hp.The 2hp has a flat
pancake type muffler and the 3 hp has a muffler the same as a 3hp tank
cooled vertical.I discovered this by doing a search in my many parts books
and it shows it to be so.Now I have a spare original 3hp muffler so one down
two to go.
EDD PAYNE
PO BOX 364 GULGONG
New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
0263742387
edsingns at winsoft.net.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:15
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also
> dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels
> and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp
Vertical
> Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo leaver
but
> it is yet to be machined
>
> Russell
>
>
> At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an
original?
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> >
> >
> >>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
> >>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have
contacted
> >>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
> >>EDD PAYNE
> >>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> >>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> >>0263742387
> >>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
> >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
> >>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ed;
> >>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
> >>they
> >>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
> >>>
> >>>Tom
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>SEL mailing list
> >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>SEL mailing list
> >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 06:02:15 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:02:15 EST
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
Message-ID: <144.52ea635f.30d2d167@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<<    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
 the earlier one. >>


Tommy,

I did the same thing when I received my new one and find both of high 
quality.  I think the folks bidding on the old ones are going by past selling prices 
before Charles had the new ones printed.  Like you I have set the new ones 
aside and maybe they will become valuable and can sell for retirement income!!  
HA!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 06:09:25 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:09:25 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
Message-ID: <20c.ff44ed0.30d2d315@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/13/2005 10:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< my
 solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
 Abdullah ,he has gone off his food]. >>


Peter,

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they live, 
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have, tell 
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back anytime, and 
what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything except why 
they called. They stop after a while. One company persistently called for my 
son, but would not talk to me.  One day I told them not to call anymore as he 
was in prison for murder, running with the wrong crowd, etc.  Woman was very 
sorry to hear of my family problems, and never called again!   

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 15 06:22:33 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 09:22:33 EST
Subject: [SEL] Pictures and engines
Message-ID: <148.51cff51c.30d2d629@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/15/2005 6:27:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<< What I would call a good haul. >>

Jerry,

I would call that a GREAT haul!!!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 15 06:43:39 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:43:39 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
Message-ID: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Good Heavens!    Anyone looked at this one?   

# 7570911901

A Maytag in Missouri with a few hours to go on the auction and at $400.00 !!!

Carl


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec 15 07:17:20 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:17:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
In-Reply-To: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43A18900.6050400@scrtc.com>

Carl,
    No telling what it will bring in the end.  MO was like KY, no one 
could afford a Maytag and used washboards.  A Maytag in MO is a RARE 
item.....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Good Heavens!    Anyone looked at this one?   
>
># 7570911901
>
>A Maytag in Missouri with a few hours to go on the auction and at $400.00 !!!
>
>Carl
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Thu Dec 15 10:20:10 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:20:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <20c.ff44ed0.30d2d315@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1EmxiL-0004Ja-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	A friend of mine some time back got tired of the unwanted
calls. He got a starter pistol and when the next call came, he 
listened and then calmly said," I just got out of the assylum
and was doing fine until you called. Now I'm a little upset and
I think it's not worth it anymore." He then fired the pistol and
dropped the phone - waited a short time and the hung up.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:09 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

In a message dated 12/13/2005 10:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< my
 solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet elephant
Abdullah ,he has gone off his food]. >>


Peter,

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they live,
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have, tell
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back anytime,
and what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything
except why they called. They stop after a while. One company persistently
called for my son, but would not talk to me.  One day I told them not to
call anymore as he was in prison for murder, running with the wrong crowd,
etc.  Woman was very 
sorry to hear of my family problems, and never called again!   

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Thu Dec 15 12:47:53 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:47:53 +0100
Subject: [SEL] famous
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003e01c601b8$d24c3de0$3775833e@amd>

Hi russel,
the quadrant is not for a speed lever, but it's the timing lever.
On our 2hp air-cooled it was missing too.
If you want you can make one from scrach (like my dad did) but it's allot of 
work
All of the timing stuff and the water pump was missing on our Famous too.
We were very lucky to find an original pump house for it!

Harry,


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] famous


> If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also 
> dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels 
> and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp 
> Vertical Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo 
> leaver but it is yet to be machined
>
> Russell
>
>
> At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an 
>>original?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
>>>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have 
>>>contacted
>>>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
>>>EDD PAYNE
>>>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>>>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>>>0263742387
>>>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
>>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
>>>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ed;
>>>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
>>>they
>>>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>SEL mailing list
>>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From paul at semidiesel.com  Thu Dec 15 15:50:20 2005
From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:50:20 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Atlas Imperial Diesels Need Home
In-Reply-To: <001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com><003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <43A2013C.7010507@semidiesel.com>

Hi,
Had an email from a guy in the US:-
............

I have a 1929
Fantail Yacht located in Los Angeles that has a pair of 120 hp Atlas
Imperials in their original condition.  My plan is to re-power and I am
looking for a group that is interested in the engines.
..........

If anyone is interested in the them contact Sean Connolly on
310-505-2004 or email Sean_Connolly at ppwinc.com

Cheers
Paul

-- 

Internal Fire Museum of Power

Castell Pridd, Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales, UK SA43 2JS

http://www.internalfire.com



From jdohagan at comcast.net  Thu Dec 15 15:59:03 2005
From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:59:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <144.52ea635f.30d2d167@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Hi, The new version looks good but the quality of the binding and the covers
are cheap imitations of the earlier book. Leave them hidden, but don't start
using it. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan 

Jim O'Hagan
-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:02 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!

In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:

<<    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
 the earlier one. >>


Tommy,

I did the same thing when I received my new one and find both of high 
quality.  I think the folks bidding on the old ones are going by past
selling prices 
before Charles had the new ones printed.  Like you I have set the new ones 
aside and maybe they will become valuable and can sell for retirement
income!!  
HA!

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Thu Dec 15 16:55:44 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:55:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <43A21090.1040209@scrtc.com>

Hey Jimmy, I've got the old and new laying here side by side and I can't 
tell any difference in the binding or covers.  But, then again, I'm not 
a book maker....

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




Jim O'Hagan wrote:

>Hi, The new version looks good but the quality of the binding and the covers
>are cheap imitations of the earlier book. Leave them hidden, but don't start
>using it. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan 
>
>Jim O'Hagan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
>Germoamer at aol.com
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:02 AM
>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
>
>In a message dated 12/14/2005 7:34:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
>lcjudge at scrtc.com writes:
>
><<    Its the new version but I can't see any difference between it and 
> the earlier one. >>
>
>
>Tommy,
>
>I did the same thing when I received my new one and find both of high 
>quality.  I think the folks bidding on the old ones are going by past
>selling prices 
>before Charles had the new ones printed.  Like you I have set the new ones 
>aside and maybe they will become valuable and can sell for retirement
>income!!  
>HA!
>
>Tom Schmutz
>Concord, Va. USA
>Germoamer at aol.com
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
>  
>




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 15 17:52:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:52:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Atlas Imperial Diesels Need Home
In-Reply-To: <43A2013C.7010507@semidiesel.com>
Message-ID: <017801c601e3$5206d020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

I'm on it Paul.  I've spoken with Sean and I think we can put a plan in motion.
This is very nice of you to bring this to our attention.

Rob


=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com  



From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 15 18:51:17 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:51:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
In-Reply-To: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa
	.earthlink.net>
References: <2009771.1134657819236.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051215213010.047c4b68@mail.alltel.net>


>Good Heavens!    Anyone looked at this one?
># 7570911901
>A Maytag in Missouri with a few hours to go on the auction and at $400.00 !!!
>Carl

My Dear Carl,
         The final price of $515.96 for this joyful creation of Fred's was 
indeed a steal! I'm only surprised that it did not go for several times 
that artificially low price. These fine little motors have been a godsend 
for women through out the years and continue to make their work lighter 
even today. My own wife is a prime example of this labor saving invention. 
About 6 years ago I gave her a gasoline operated MAYTAG washer for X-mas. 
Each week that she has my dinner on the table at 6:00 sharp every evening 
(after she finishes her daytime job) I allow her to use the MAYTAG to wash 
the weeks clothes Monday nights. If for one or more nights in a week dinner 
is not on the table at 6:00 sharp I deny her the use of the MAYTAG and she 
must use the scrub board.
         This has benefited both of us greatly! The benefit to me is that 
most weeks dinner is on the table at 6:00 sharp every night. The benefit to 
her is that her hands are not nearly so red as they were before I was 
generous enough to buy her the MAYTAG! That makes her VERY happy--and as 
the old saying goes, "a happy wife is much easier to control!"
         So don't be shocked when one of these creations of Fred's goes for 
a fair price on e-bay. Just rest assured that some loving husband is simply 
trying to make his wife happy!
         Dave
PS, You might want to take a look at: 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/maytag/maytag_fun.html 



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Fri Dec 16 00:23:34 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:23:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 11
References: <200512151700.jBFH04GG005064@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <018701c6021a$024ace60$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they live,
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have, tell
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back anytime, 
and
what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything except 
why
they called.


Asking what colour underwear they're wearing is another good one ...... 8^)




Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable! 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 15 17:34:17 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:17 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT, Santa
Message-ID: <43A21999.60906@earthlink.net>

About 1.8 Meg download and grainy. Put a much needed smile on my face 
this evening. Enjoy if you care to.

http://frapa.us/SantaClaus.wmv

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 15 20:15:25 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
Message-ID: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,
http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Dec 16 02:12:24 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:12:24 +1100
Subject: [SEL] famous
In-Reply-To: <001d01c60171$694b1ba0$5d84dccb@oemcomputer>
References: <9b.6d69e38f.30d1974c@aol.com>
	<003701c600ee$97f0e080$7185dccb@oemcomputer>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051215091239.024ec8a0@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051216210003.00bc4ae0@mail.ncable.com.au>

My error there Edd. Yes both engines run a quadrant and timming control 
lever. They are also identical parts for both air cooled and hopper cooled 
engines. Part number G6945 is the quadrant which suits both engines. I 
found this info after searching through some gear I had packed away. They 
are starting instructions & parts lists for both types of engines (photo 
copies). I will look forward to hearing from you Edd on whether or not your 
engine has the quadrant. Would be more than happy to use bits of mine to 
help with the same in turn.

Could be good timing Edd; as my parts are going cross country in a couple 
of weeks to Pauls so it should not be to hard to get them to a foundry etc.

Page 246 of wendles shows a hopper cooled engine and mentions "These 
engines were basically the same as the vertical air-cooled models"  Your 
engine Edd could most deffinately come in handy for comparing notes.
Russell


At 11:16 PM 15/12/2005 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Russel.Not sure that the hopper cooled and air cooled Famous engines have
>a speed control.What they do have is a lever that is for the ign timing
>which is on a quadrant.My engine has the quadrant but not the lever.So maybe
>when I get my engine and see what is needed we can work it out.Now about the
>muffler the on a 3hp is different entirely to a 2hp.The 2hp has a flat
>pancake type muffler and the 3 hp has a muffler the same as a 3hp tank
>cooled vertical.I discovered this by doing a search in my many parts books
>and it shows it to be so.Now I have a spare original 3hp muffler so one down
>two to go.
>EDD PAYNE
>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
>0263742387
>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:15
>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
>
>
> > If someone is willing to allow their famous parts to be cast, I would also
> > dearly love to have the bracket cast from which the speed leaver travels
> > and locks into position on?? (Not sure of its name) to suit my 2hp
>Vertical
> > Hopper famous. Edd, did you get my e-mail?? You can copy my repo leaver
>but
> > it is yet to be machined
> >
> > Russell
> >
> >
> > At 04:43 PM 14/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Is it something that I could cast if we could arrange to borrow an
>original?
> > >
> > >Rick
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" <edsingns at winsoft.net.au>
> > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:40 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> > >
> > >
> > >>Thanks for your reply's.I had already tried Don several days ago but he
> > >>can't help.It looks like these are few and far between as I have
>contacted
> > >>many large collectors in the US but to no avail.Just keep on alookin.!!!
> > >>EDD PAYNE
> > >>PO BOX 364 GULGONG
> > >>New South Wales  AUSTRALIA 2852
> > >>0263742387
> > >>edsingns at winsoft.net.au
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <MBellar at aol.com>
> > >>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > >>Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:42
> > >>Subject: Re: [SEL] famous
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>Ed;
> > >>>Try _AGEE1 at AOL.com_ (mailto:AGEE1 at AOL.com)  I saw them at  Portland and
> > >>they
> > >>>seem to have a lot of Famous reproduction parts.
> > >>>
> > >>>Tom
> > >>>_______________________________________________
> > >>>SEL mailing list
> > >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>SEL mailing list
> > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >SEL mailing list
> > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> > Russell Gilbert
> > Sunny Sunraysia
> > russell at ncable.com.au
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
> >
> >
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From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 15 20:33:34 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:33:34 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
Message-ID: <004201c601f9$e06c3470$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

if this works, here are the pictures i took on the bridge in shreveport, louisana, monday morning,, can anyone identify this engine and size? the flywheels are appx 68 inches in dia.
http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
i tried posting  this to the list  earlier. but i;m not sure it worked, i;m trying again, so forgive me if it gets posted twice
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas

From bboyce at swat.coop  Thu Dec 15 20:57:03 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:57:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
References: <00af01c6010c$1a674a50$15a8e104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <000a01c601fd$2842d4e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

thanks lew, i've posted them to photobucket, hope it works
bill 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lew Best" <bee_keeper at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] bridge engine update


> You can go to photobucket.com & set up a free album; then just post a
> link.  Works great; I'm on a forum that this is the only to do pix. 
> 
>



From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 15 16:57:43 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:57:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems
In-Reply-To: <E1EmxiL-0004Ja-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <000001c601db$bce3d030$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Had a window company that continued to call.  After about the 6th call
of telling them to quit calling and how I wasn't interested, I finally
agreed to have their salesman to come out and give his presentation.
When they asked for directions, I set them on a wild goose chase ending
up some 30 miles from my house.  

They have never called back!

Chuck Emsweller
Clarksburg, In
KA9ZOP

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Willman
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:20 PM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

	A friend of mine some time back got tired of the unwanted
calls. He got a starter pistol and when the next call came, he 
listened and then calmly said," I just got out of the assylum
and was doing fine until you called. Now I'm a little upset and
I think it's not worth it anymore." He then fired the pistol and
dropped the phone - waited a short time and the hung up.


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Germoamer at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:09 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT...Cold Calls....telephone problems

In a message dated 12/13/2005 10:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jopeter at omninet.net.au writes:

<< my
 solution to the latter is to ask if they can help me with my pet
elephant
Abdullah ,he has gone off his food]. >>


Peter,

Pretend you are hard of hearing and talk loudly asking them where they
live,
how the children are, what the weather is like, what hobbies they have,
tell
them you are lonesome and glad they called to talk and call back
anytime,
and what ever else you dream up.  Keep them on the line about everything
except why they called. They stop after a while. One company
persistently
called for my son, but would not talk to me.  One day I told them not to
call anymore as he was in prison for murder, running with the wrong
crowd,
etc.  Woman was very 
sorry to hear of my family problems, and never called again!   

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 15 19:07:12 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:07:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Still Going HIGH!
In-Reply-To: <20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
References: <144.52ea635f.30d2d167@aol.com>
	<20051215235907.B7E6428CE0D@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051215215348.048b7bc8@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:59 PM 12/15/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, The new version looks good but the quality of the binding and the covers
>are cheap imitations of the earlier book. Leave them hidden, but don't start
>using it. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan

And additionally they were NOT published in 1983! Nuf said!
         Dave 



From bboyce at swat.coop  Fri Dec 16 16:21:28 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:21:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] test
Message-ID: <000f01c6029f$d2ef46b0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>



From kd7bfn at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 16 13:32:04 2005
From: kd7bfn at earthlink.net (Carl Carlsen)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:32:04 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Maytag
Message-ID: <16979731.1134768724481.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Cough, choke  (from the exhaust smoke!)

Closed at $515.96     Yeah, guess it must be damned RARE!!   :o)

Carl

-----Original Message-----
>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Sent: Dec 15, 2005 9:17 AM
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] eBay Maytag
>
>Carl,
>    No telling what it will bring in the end.  MO was like KY, no one 
>could afford a Maytag and used washboards.  A Maytag in MO is a RARE 
>item.....
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Fri Dec 16 17:08:59 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:08:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
In-Reply-To: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A3652B.3050104@scrtc.com>

Bill,
    Great photos.  Yeah, that's a big N.  I would say about a 25 HP.  
Its a throttler model, not a hit and miss.  I think they went to 8 spoke 
flywheel at about 30 HP.  Sadly, it looks like the thieves have hit it 
pretty hard.  I can tell its missing the exhaust valve box, fuel pump, 
ignitor, ignitor trip, carb, throttle linkage, intake spring and cover, 
air start pump, air pump cut off, mag, rod bearing, oilers, and probably 
a few smaller items.  Its still worth saving if you can get it off their 
economically.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,
>http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas
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>
>
>
>  
>



From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 16 17:17:28 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:17:28 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c601fd$2842d4e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <009301c602a7$a66a34d0$981de304@OFFICELEW>

Works great!  I like the pix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lew


Subject: Re: [SEL] bridge engine update

thanks lew, i've posted them to photobucket, hope it works
bill 
 

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From garyepps at fidnet.com  Fri Dec 16 19:18:09 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:18:09 -0600
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
References: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <002101c602b8$84cd4180$9c44e5d8@gary>

Bill, the pics are great!  I understand, from the development in the area,
why you wanted to be sure to have permission before you went up there.

A question for the list:  How did they start this engine when needed?  Send
someone up to spin the flywheels?  Was it started remotely?  There are hand
levers to apparently engage the gearing.  I presume it raised the rail
bridge to allow boat/ship passage.  Is the bridge a lift bridge or a swing
bridge?  I think I would want a lot of time to start that thing with a large
boat coming up or down stream.

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted


lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,
http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 17 05:34:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:34:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
In-Reply-To: <43A3652B.3050104@scrtc.com>
References: <000a01c601f7$58498180$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
	<43A3652B.3050104@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1134826453.43a413d58c955@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Bill,

I'm with Tommy on this one; definitely worth saving!!  There are N's out there
that can be used as a source of parts to get duplicated.  Rick Rowlands is
getting pretty good at doing castings.

One thought for you to consider...  When you talk to the railroad next, see if
you can track down the folks that ran the bridge engine.  It's just possible
that the missing parts (or some of 'em) might be in storage somewhere nearby. 
It might also be worthwhile talking to some of the local folks that live around
that bridge.

Granted it's a long shot, but if you find some of the parts...

GOOD LUCK!!  And keep us posted as you get deeper into the project!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pitsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>     Great photos.  Yeah, that's a big N.  I would say about a 25 HP.  
> Its a throttler model, not a hit and miss.  I think they went to 8 spoke 
> flywheel at about 30 HP.  Sadly, it looks like the thieves have hit it 
> pretty hard.  I can tell its missing the exhaust valve box, fuel pump, 
> ignitor, ignitor trip, carb, throttle linkage, intake spring and cover, 
> air start pump, air pump cut off, mag, rod bearing, oilers, and probably 
> a few smaller items.  Its still worth saving if you can get it off their 
> economically.




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sat Dec 17 05:54:57 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:54:57 -0800
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted
In-Reply-To: <004201c601f9$e06c3470$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <01f201c60311$785f0ba0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> if this works, here are the pictures i took on the bridge in 
> shreveport, louisana, monday morning,, can anyone identify 
> this engine and size? the flywheels are appx 68 inches in dia.
> http://photobucket.com/albums/c93/bboyce3/
> i tried posting  this to the list  earlier. but i;m not sure 
> it worked, i;m trying again, so forgive me if it gets posted twice

Hi Bill,
Thanks for sharing those pictures.  The whole contraption is fantastic with the
engine and gear box all together like they are.  Now I understand why you
couldn't get up there unnoticed.  

Rob




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 17 07:44:36 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:44:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
Message-ID: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.

See ya,  Arnie

View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378

-----------------------------------------------------------------
NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
Item number: 7731747378
Current bid: US $215.00
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
5-day listing
Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST

Summary
****; 1908; ****;
;Catalog # D-11
64 PAGES !
Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly preserved New Way
Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss treasure!
Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications. 
Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside of this
64
page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40 graphics alone.
The inside looks "new" - never used!;
New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline, Benzine
Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec 17 08:38:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:38:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
References: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV166C25572DFE3EEDB9D005BB3D0@phx.gbl>

Yes there is Arn..and the jerk won't send me a pix for the graphics.  I've 
stopped bidding, hopefully one on the list will get it and be more friendly. 
Money didn't talk here.

RickinMt.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:44 AM
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)


> Hi Folks,
>
> There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> View this Item on eBay at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
> Item number: 7731747378
> Current bid: US $215.00
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
> 5-day listing
> Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST
>
> Summary
> ****; 1908; ****;
> ;Catalog # D-11
> 64 PAGES !
> Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly preserved 
> New Way
> Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss treasure!
> Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications.
> Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside of 
> this
> 64
> page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40 graphics 
> alone.
> The inside looks "new" - never used!;
> New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
> Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline, Benzine
> Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 17 09:43:16 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:43:16 -0600
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
Message-ID: <410-2200512617174316734@earthlink.net>

I've got that one Rick and many others, still need to get a copy sent to
you.  Hell, the way those things have been going lately (in fact all New
Way stuff) I might just have to start selling.

Tim Christoff


> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/17/2005 10:38:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
>
> Yes there is Arn..and the jerk won't send me a pix for the graphics. 
I've 
> stopped bidding, hopefully one on the list will get it and be more
friendly. 
> Money didn't talk here.
>
> RickinMt.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
"Old_Engine" 
> <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:44 AM
> Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
>
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
> >
> > See ya,  Arnie
> >
> > View this Item on eBay at
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
> > Item number: 7731747378
> > Current bid: US $215.00
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
> > 5-day listing
> > Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST
> >
> > Summary
> > ****; 1908; ****;
> > ;Catalog # D-11
> > 64 PAGES !
> > Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly preserved 
> > New Way
> > Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss
treasure!
> > Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications.
> > Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside
of 
> > this
> > 64
> > page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40
graphics 
> > alone.
> > The inside looks "new" - never used!;
> > New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
> > Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline,
Benzine
> > Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > 
> _______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 17 10:03:11 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:03:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
In-Reply-To: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1134834276.43a4326492551@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051217130239.0cffd008@mail.alltel.net>

At 10:44 AM 12/17/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks,
>There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
>See ya,  Arnie
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378

And a really great price as well!
         Dave 



From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Sat Dec 17 10:19:03 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:19:03 -0700
Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
References: <410-2200512617174316734@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV10A5B84B0D250B22EA1C5EBB3D0@phx.gbl>

Thank you Tim!!!!  I guess there's an upside to not buying it as the catalog 
might not show the graphics on the other side.

  The Gal Man thinks the same way you do..He's gonna send his daugter to 
college with what he's got.

Take Care
Rick





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Christoff" <tchristoff at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)


> I've got that one Rick and many others, still need to get a copy sent to
> you.  Hell, the way those things have been going lately (in fact all New
> Way stuff) I might just have to start selling.
>
> Tim Christoff
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Strobel <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
> > To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Date: 12/17/2005 10:38:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
> >
> > Yes there is Arn..and the jerk won't send me a pix for the graphics.
> I've
> > stopped bidding, hopefully one on the list will get it and be more
> friendly.
> > Money didn't talk here.
> >
> > RickinMt.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> > To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>;
> "Old_Engine"
> > <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:44 AM
> > Subject: [SEL] NEW WAY CATALOG 1908 (#7731747378)
> >
> >
> > > Hi Folks,
> > >
> > > There's a really nice color New Way catalog on eBay.
> > >
> > > See ya,  Arnie
> > >
> > > View this Item on eBay at
> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7731747378
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > NEW WAY AIR COOLED ENGINES Orig CATALOG 1908
> > > Item number: 7731747378
> > > Current bid: US $215.00
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Time left: 6 hours 11 mins
> > > 5-day listing
> > > Ends Dec-17-0512:56:55 PST
> > >
> > > Summary
> > > ****; 1908; ****;
> > > ;Catalog # D-11
> > > 64 PAGES !
> > > Aside from;some minor flocking on the cover you have a highly 
> > > preserved
> > > New Way
> > > Air Cooled Engines original catalog here. This is a hit and miss
> treasure!
> > > Loaded with beautiful graphics and engine;specifications.
> > > Graphics;and text are crisp,;sharp;and absolutely clean on the inside
> of
> > > this
> > > 64
> > > page original catalog. So much information and detail.; Over 40
> graphics
> > > alone.
> > > The inside looks "new" - never used!;
> > > New Way Motor Company - Lansing, Michigan
> > > Air; Cooled Engines and Power Sprayers Operated By Gas, Gasoline,
> Benzine
> > > Distillate, Alcohol Naptha and Petrol.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > SEL mailing list
> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 17 14:53:19 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:53:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Oil Field Engine Gas Valves on eBay
Message-ID: <1134859999.43a496dfe1d7d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

There's a couple of gas valves for oil field engines on eBay; one 1/2" and one
1".  I emailed the seller and he said both were diamond-opening valves.

View the item description here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7573253196

View the item description here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7573254212

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 17 15:33:44 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:33:44 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Another manual online
Message-ID: <43A4A058.3090805@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

One more manual online courtesy of Francis Maciel. This one is for the 
Wico EK mags. Always willing to put any original manual you scan online. 
Manuals are here:

http://oldengine.org/members/allen/Manuals/Manuals.html

Jeff
freezing cold and snow here. Brrrr!***
*

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From yostsw at atis.net  Sat Dec 17 16:31:34 2005
From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:31:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Outage
In-Reply-To: <005201c6030c$7ad5f150$5b186544@toshiba>
References: <000001c602cd$c9591e90$70ee480c@DeanOffice>
	<005201c6030c$7ad5f150$5b186544@toshiba>
Message-ID: <200512171931340843.0529DC2D@heavyiron.atis.net>

We had a great little ice storm late this week.  No power for 30 hours,
backup power only last 4-6 hours; so the result was inevitable (-;  As my
Dad would:  "Them ropes don't meet"

Many apologies for the outage,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 17 17:08:03 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:08:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Outage
In-Reply-To: <200512171931340843.0529DC2D@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <20051218010803.46005.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Alternatively...
  "That dog won't hunt"
  JM

Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:  We had a great little ice storm late this week.  No power for 30 hours,
backup power only last 4-6 hours; so the result was inevitable (-;  As my
Dad would:  "Them ropes don't meet"

Many apologies for the outage,

Spencer Yost
Owner, ATIS
Plow the Net!
http://www.atis.net

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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Sat Dec 17 18:25:35 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:25:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 12
References: <200512171700.jBHH05A0014729@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <009f01c6037a$5451d3a0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:15:25 -0600
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
Subject: [SEL] bridge engine pics posted

lets see if this works, its my first try at posting pics,,,

Well done Bill!

GREAT job for a first effort!


Jim
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Dec 17 21:25:10 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:25:10 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <19b.424a54cb.30d64cb6@aol.com>

Hi List,
Well, I got my Christmas present a little ahead of time this  year.  The 
Cushman, I picked up last week end, is now running.  I have  to thank Bert (my 
local magneto repairman) and Ron Haskell.    Bert let me borrow his Wico EK 
factory service manual to copy.  Ron  explained how to retard the spark for 
starting.  The Wico was disassembled  to clean the points and to install a new 
condenser (.10 mfd @ 600 volts -  mylar).  The Wico now produces a nice blue spark.  
However, I still  need to install lubricating strips (felts) on the upper and 
lower  surfaces of the moving point deck.  
In addition, the fuel tank was a mess and had to be cleaned.   Question - is 
there a check valve in the fuel pickup tube?  If so, where is  it located?



Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sat Dec 17 22:14:01 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:14:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <20051217.221401.1064.7.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi  Francis.  Glad to hear you got it running.  Yes there is a check
valve on the end of the copper line, it screws into the cast iron tank.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:25:10 EST FRM8198 at aol.com writes:
> Hi List,
> Well, I got my Christmas present a little ahead of time this  year.  
> The 
> Cushman, I picked up last week end, is now running.  I have  to 
> thank Bert (my 
> local magneto repairman) and Ron Haskell.    Bert let me borrow his 
> Wico EK 
> factory service manual to copy.  Ron  explained how to retard the 
> spark for 
> starting.  The Wico was disassembled  to clean the points and to 
> install a new 
> condenser (.10 mfd @ 600 volts -  mylar).  The Wico now produces a 
> nice blue spark.  
> However, I still  need to install lubricating strips (felts) on the 
> upper and 
> lower  surfaces of the moving point deck.  
> In addition, the fuel tank was a mess and had to be cleaned.   
> Question - is 
> there a check valve in the fuel pickup tube?  If so, where is  it 
> located?
> 
> 
> 
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 02:07:53 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:07:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Original Otto Internal Combustion Engine Fuel
Message-ID: <43A534F9.9070907@comcast.net>

http://chemcases.com/fuels/fuels-02.htm


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 03:05:30 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:05:30 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
Message-ID: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>

Just a polite message to those who post on both of the lists:

Snipping unwanted and unnecessary sections of emails and posts, 
including the sig sections and the parts added by both Lists' software
should be a de factor part of every-day usage for ALL of you, not just
those who take the trouble.

Adding jpeg images to your sig may look good to you, but it also adds
to the download time for those on dial-up and serves absolutely no
purpose in this email-based environment. I don't know how that
started, but we have a couple of regulars here that have it on their
sig lines.

Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't
want to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be
used for email.

Take the trouble to READ what is posted, and then read it again!  So
many misunderstandings occur becuase folks think they read something
into a post which just wasn't there. We've all done it, just THINK
before hitting the 'send' button.

Basic courtesy should be extended to everyone, not just your mates on
the Lists.

Peter (acting Dolly stand-in)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From b2 at chooka.net  Sun Dec 18 06:10:08 2005
From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:10:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>

And if I may add another request to our list etiquette, consider adding to
your signature line to tell us where you're from.  I picked this habit up
myself from a nudge on this or some other list a few years back.  And with
the international membership, be sure to include your country.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:06 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming

Just a polite message to those who post on both of the lists:

Snipping unwanted and unnecessary sections of emails and posts, including
the sig sections and the parts added by both Lists' software should be a de
factor part of every-day usage for ALL of you, not just those who take the
trouble.

Adding jpeg images to your sig may look good to you, but it also adds to the
download time for those on dial-up and serves absolutely no purpose in this
email-based environment. I don't know how that started, but we have a couple
of regulars here that have it on their sig lines.

Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't want
to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be used for
email.

Take the trouble to READ what is posted, and then read it again!  So many
misunderstandings occur becuase folks think they read something into a post
which just wasn't there. We've all done it, just THINK before hitting the
'send' button.

Basic courtesy should be extended to everyone, not just your mates on the
Lists.

Peter (acting Dolly stand-in)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 18 09:08:08 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:08:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008401c603f5$9e9e4080$230110ac@PAUL>

Peter, I just checked my options in Outlook Express and had the darn HTML 
turned on, sorry about that and I have turned it off. I thought I had it 
turned off but about a month ago I had trouble with Outlook Express and I 
guess when the technician fixed it the HTML got turned on somehow. Don't use 
sig lines as I discovered that I could just type my telephone number into 
Google and up came all of my information for anyone to see so I shut down 
the sig lines. Thanks for the reminder.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming





From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sun Dec 18 12:47:37 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:47:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
Message-ID: <E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	I will agree with the location as part of the signature.
How many times has someone requested help with whatever and
no idea whether I was close enough to help or not. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:10 AM
To: 'The SEL email discussion list'
Subject: RE: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming

And if I may add another request to our list etiquette, consider adding to
your signature line to tell us where you're from.  I picked this habit up
myself from a nudge on this or some other list a few years back.  And with
the international membership, be sure to include your country.

B?
 
Bill Brueck (brick)
Chatfield, MN, USA
 
Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance.


 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:06 AM
To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming

Just a polite message to those who post on both of the lists:

Snipping unwanted and unnecessary sections of emails and posts, including
the sig sections and the parts added by both Lists' software should be a de
factor part of every-day usage for ALL of you, not just those who take the
trouble.

Adding jpeg images to your sig may look good to you, but it also adds to the
download time for those on dial-up and serves absolutely no purpose in this
email-based environment. I don't know how that started, but we have a couple
of regulars here that have it on their sig lines.

Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't want
to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be used for
email.

Take the trouble to READ what is posted, and then read it again!  So many
misunderstandings occur becuase folks think they read something into a post
which just wasn't there. We've all done it, just THINK before hitting the
'send' button.

Basic courtesy should be extended to everyone, not just your mates on the
Lists.

Peter (acting Dolly stand-in)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel

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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 13:40:15 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:40:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>

At 03:47 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>         I will agree with the location as part of the signature.
>How many times has someone requested help with whatever and
>no idea whether I was close enough to help or not.
>Bob Willman

Hi Bob,
         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The last 
24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location added to 
your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
         Dave  



From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 18 15:35:07 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:35:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>

Hi Dave,

Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
known to contact him.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/

snip>>

>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many 
> times has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I 
> was close enough to help or not.
>
>> Bob Willman
>
>
> Hi Bob,
>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location 
> added to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>         Dave 
>
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 18 15:37:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:37:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
Message-ID: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Did I miss it?  Has Christmas (and the ATIS Charity Auction) been cancelled by
the ACLU or taken over by the Hillary in 2008 fund raising campaign?  Or did
the FATGs get tired of having their butt whomped by the SEL folks so they put
the stop to it?

Talk to us Spencer...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com



From asouth at strato.net  Sun Dec 18 15:38:07 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:38:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flames
Message-ID: <00f301c6042c$19cc4f50$0621d7cc@ARTHUR>

"you digest readers get to wade through FAR MORE to get to the
 nuggets like this incredibly useful and articulate post.
 
See ya,  Arnie"

Arnie, you're a prince among men. 

Have a good one.
Arthur


Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Sun Dec 18 16:24:37 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:24:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org><6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>

Well ,there you go Dave ...you learn something new every day!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs


> Hi Dave,
> 
> Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
> member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
> a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
> guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
> known to contact him.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
> 
> snip>>
> 
>>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many 
>> times has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I 
>> was close enough to help or not.
>>
>>> Bob Willman
>>
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
>> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
>> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location 
>> added to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>>         Dave 
>>
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 
>



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 17:07:18 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:07:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
In-Reply-To: <000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Peter,
         I'd like to contact you to tell you how right you are--but you 
have left no sig at all so I don't know where you are from or how to 
contact you in cast I can help with something!
         Dave

At 07:24 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>Well ,there you go Dave ...you learn something new every day!



>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
>
>
>>Hi Dave,
>>Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
>>member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
>>a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
>>guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
>>known to contact him.
>>Jeff
>>Jeff Allen
>>Arvada, Colorado, USA
>>transteck at earthlink.net
>>http://frapa.us/
>>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>>snip>>
>>
>>>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many times 
>>> has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I was 
>>> close enough to help or not.
>>>
>>>>Bob Willman
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Bob,
>>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
>>> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
>>> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location added 
>>> to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>>>         Dave
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 17:12:17 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:12:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A608F1.8090505@comcast.net>

Thanks....I've been guilty of some of these things.I sent in both html 
and print.I've since shut that off.

I want to be a good citizen,please notify me if I'm not operating 
correctly.(I know I've been guilty of not snipping).

          sincerely,
              mike


From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sun Dec 18 17:47:08 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:47:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>

Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
something I have modified my sig to include my location.

Rick Rowlands
sitting in my chair at the computer
in the living room
of our apartment on the third floor
on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
halfway between New York and Chicago
on the North American Continent
in the northern hemisphere
of the planet Earth
Third body orbiting Sol
about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs


> Hi Peter,
>         I'd like to contact you to tell you how right you are--but you 
> have left no sig at all so I don't know where you are from or how to 
> contact you in cast I can help with something!
>         Dave
>
> At 07:24 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>>Well ,there you go Dave ...you learn something new every day!
>
>
>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" <transteck at earthlink.net>
>>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:35 AM
>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
>>
>>
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a list 
>>>member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on e-bay 
>>>a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Carolina. Wanna 
>>>guess where the list member lived? It was in his sig or I wouldn't have 
>>>known to contact him.
>>>Jeff
>>>Jeff Allen
>>>Arvada, Colorado, USA
>>>transteck at earthlink.net
>>>http://frapa.us/
>>>http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>>>snip>>
>>>
>>>>  I will agree with the location as part of the signature.How many times 
>>>> has someone requested help with whatever and no idea whether I was 
>>>> close enough to help or not.
>>>>
>>>>>Bob Willman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi Bob,
>>>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? The 
>>>> last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
>>>> information? If the former did they get it moved w/out a location added 
>>>> to your sig? If the latter would a sig have made any difference?
>>>>         Dave
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>SEL mailing list
>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Dec 18 18:57:56 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:57:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

could someone explain what the difference between html and plain text is ? i 
went to the outlook express options and found i had the html button turned 
on, but i have no idea what
thats all about,,,
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming


>>
> Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who don't
> want to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
> HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be
> used for email.
> >
> 




From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sun Dec 18 19:29:38 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:29:38 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>

HTML stands for Hyper-Text Markup Language and is a mechanism for allowing
web pages to be displayed by web browsers.

"HTML defines the structure and layout of a Web document by using a variety
of tags and attributes. The correct structure for an HTML document starts
with <HTML><HEAD>(enter here what document is about)<BODY> and ends with
</BODY></HTML>. All the information you'd like to include in your Web page
fits in between the <BODY> and </BODY> tags."  This is a simplification and
is missing a couple of things, but you get the idea.

HTML wasn't intended for use with email by the original authors of both the
HTML and email specifications and protocols, but many email client programs
(especially Microsoft ones (I'd guess about 80% of clients in use?)) will
allow use of HTML, or even offer it as a default.  I must admit to not
liking HTML in my email myself, but times change and so do conventions.

Let's not start on top-posting :-^)

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales, Prees, Shropshire, UK, Europe, Northern Hemisphere, Right-hand
side of Pond.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bill Boyce
> Sent: 19 December 2005 02:58
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
> 
> could someone explain what the difference between html and 
> plain text is ? i 
> went to the outlook express options and found i had the html 
> button turned 
> on, but i have no idea what
> thats all about,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas




From bboyce at swat.coop  Sun Dec 18 19:55:12 2005
From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:55:12 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
Message-ID: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>

 can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
flywheels?
bill boyce
lost prairie, arkansas 




From transteck at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 18 19:57:23 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:57:23 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs, and Castings
In-Reply-To: <00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>
	<00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <43A62FA3.5090500@earthlink.net>

Wow Rick,

That's a helluva sig, and I was just ready to write about you. :-))

I got my casting back from Rick a few weeks ago. First class work and I 
would recommend him for any castings you might need.

Jeff

P.S. Throw a link to your site in your sig. Some may not know of your work.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
> something I have modified my sig to include my location.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> sitting in my chair at the computer
> in the living room
> of our apartment on the third floor
> on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
> halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
> halfway between New York and Chicago
> on the North American Continent
> in the northern hemisphere
> of the planet Earth
> Third body orbiting Sol
> about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy
>
>
>   




From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 20:08:03 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:08:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
In-Reply-To: <00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc>
	<E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net>
	<43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net>
	<000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net>
	<00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218230238.02264bb0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rick,
         You have no idea how I appreciate this information. For years I 
believed that you were in your dining room and, therefore, had no way of 
contacting you to offer help!
         Dave
PS, Reg, is this thread going the way you suspected that it would?

At 08:47 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
>something I have modified my sig to include my location.
>
>Rick Rowlands
>sitting in my chair at the computer
>in the living room
>of our apartment on the third floor
>on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
>halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
>halfway between New York and Chicago
>on the North American Continent
>in the northern hemisphere
>of the planet Earth
>Third body orbiting Sol
>about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy



From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 18 20:12:10 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:12:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
In-Reply-To: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051218231146.0d1caff0@mail.alltel.net>

Yes!
         Dave

At 10:55 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
>flywheels?
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sun Dec 18 19:45:08 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:45:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
References: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <a58364b1ed2f54fa8183c7c113f43ab7@chartertn.net>

> HTML wasn't intended for use with email by the original authors of 
> both the
> HTML and email specifications and protocols, but many email client 
> programs
> (especially Microsoft ones (I'd guess about 80% of clients in use?)) 
> will
> allow use of HTML, or even offer it as a default.  I must admit to not
> liking HTML in my email myself, but times change and so do conventions.

Some mail programs, like the Mac OS X "Mail" application, don't allow 
turning off HTML. Neither do most Web-based E-mail systems. Like it or 
not, HTML E-mail's here to stay. A smarter digest compiler could leave 
out the HTML code and show only the plain text.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 20:58:09 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:58:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] >snip<
Message-ID: <43A63DE1.5080408@comcast.net>

I'm working on the >snip< thing,is this how it's>snip<?

Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I >snip<

Rick Rowlands
sitting in my chair at the computer
in the living room
of our apartment on the t>snip<

 >>> Knowing the location of list members can help. A few months ago a 
list member mentioned something he was looking for. I found the item on 
e-bay a few days later. It was for local pickup only in North Ca>snip<
 >>>>
 >>>> Hi Bob,
 >>>>         And EXACTLY who have you "helped" in the last 12 months? 
The last 24 months? Did they need help moving some old iron or just some 
inf >snip<


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 21:07:14 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:07:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
References: <019d01c6044c$74afed30$8335c53e@doc>
Message-ID: <43A64002.1030309@comcast.net>

Html is also available on Thunderbird, the open source email program 
available at http://www.mozilla.org


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 18 21:08:44 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:08:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A6405C.8070901@comcast.net>

Html allows links to be underlined and just clicked on to go to that 
page,but it also allows other things.......


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sun Dec 18 21:08:15 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:08:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
In-Reply-To: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <43A6403F.4070003@scrtc.com>

Bill,
    I thought I was going to be able to help you on this one.  I've got 
3 original FM catalogs here and a few reprints.  I looked through them 
all and none give the flywheel dia.  They give floor space dimensions, 
pulley sizes, shipping weight and some other info.  I know there is a 
lot of FM info out there so I'm sure someone will have the answer.  My 
guess is a 22 or 25 HP.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



> can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch 
> dia flywheels?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Sun Dec 18 21:53:05 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:53:05 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
Message-ID: <20051218.215305.1424.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Bill. I have a listing of 22hp @66", and a28hp at 70".  That should get
you in the ballpark.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:55:12 -0600 "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
writes:
>  can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 
> inch dia  flywheels?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas 


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Sun Dec 18 22:10:07 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:10:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs
References: <200512180810199.SM00716@wrbpc><E1Eo5Rf-000600-00@woodysr.wcnet.org><6.1.2.0.0.20051218163431.0d0a9798@mail.alltel.net><43A5F22B.3020103@earthlink.net><000d01c60432$9bb38ff0$2e228795@ogborneuah38i3><6.1.2.0.0.20051218200523.0d10acb0@mail.alltel.net><00e401c6043e$1fa29530$4672a418@pengy>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051218230238.02264bb0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002501c60462$df95f250$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Amen Bro!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming, and Sigs


> Hi Rick,
>         You have no idea how I appreciate this information. For years I 
> believed that you were in your dining room and, therefore, had no way of 
> contacting you to offer help!
>         Dave
> PS, Reg, is this thread going the way you suspected that it would?




From lfevans at pacbell.net  Mon Dec 19 00:22:27 2005
From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:22:27 -0800
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
In-Reply-To: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051219001851.02c6eec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com>

Bill,
A 1908 catalog shows a 15 hp. Special Electric with 68 x 5 inch 
flywheels.  See:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/fm68flywheel/
for a scan of the catalog page.

Regards,
Larry

At 07:55 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
>flywheels?
>bill boyce
>lost prairie, arkansas

Larry Evans
Arcadia, Southern California, USA
MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net
http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ 




From falcon at telenet.net  Mon Dec 19 05:28:26 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:28:26 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <00c501c604a0$1b018240$c71117d1@net.telenet.net>

Bill,
 HTML is a computer language that allows you to insert colors, different
typefaces, clipart and many other items into your E-mail (it's primary
use is to write web content). The problem is that even though it looks
fine and dandy it creates a HUGE file that folks have to download. It
also creates a jumble of extra crap that you have to dig through to find
the actual message. Many folks who have high speed connections love it.
They forget that many folks do not have high speed and have slow
dial-ups and some pay per kilobyte to download their mail.
As an example of what HTML looks like in a mail program set up to read
plain text (as they ALL should be) take a look at the following example
message.
The first is the full HTML message as it appears in plain text, the
second is just the plain text. Now consider a digest that gets 40-50
emails a day in one file and that contains 50% or more HTML mail.


<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I work for a company with 20 or so
networked
computers and no connection to the outside world. Our e-mail is
currently
received through standalone dialup PC's which are not connected to the
Network.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What we now wish to do is have continuous
access
to an e-mail server on the Internet for all our LAN PCs. We do not
intend to allow
any Internet browsing or any other Internet Services
whatsoever.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We are using Windows NT as the operating
system
for our LAN network and may in the future upgrade to win
2000.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My Question is: If only EMAIL will be used
is a
Firewall really necessary. i.e. does the operating system itself ( be it
NT or
the newer 2000) allow for blocking all services BUT e-mail? If yes,
having
people use all Internet services via e-mail, will it present a security
risk?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not really the additional expense of
the
firewall that I am concerned about, rather it is the additional
complexity and
knowledge involved with a firewall that concerns me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will be grateful for your
reply</FONT></DIV
><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cxxxxx Txxx</FONT></DIV>
</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>


I work for a company with 20 or so networked computers and no connection
to the outside world. Our e-mail is currently received through
standalone dialup PC's which are not connected to the Network. What we
now wish to do is have continuous access to an e-mail server on the
Internet for all our LAN PCs. We do not intend to allow any Internet
browsing or any other Internet Services whatsoever. We are using Windows
NT as the operating system
for our LAN network and may in the future upgrade to win 2000. My
Question is: If only EMAIL will be used is a Firewall really necessary.
i.e. does the operating system itself ( be it NT or the newer 2000)
allow for blocking all services BUT e-mail? If yes, having people use
all Internet services via e-mail, will it present a security risk? It is
not really the additional expense of the firewall that I am concerned
about, rather it is the additional complexity and
knowledge involved with a firewall that concerns me. I will be grateful
for your reply.

Regards,
Cxxxxx Txxx

Which one would you like to read? Now add in that on a dial up it may
take 10 minutes (or longer) to download all your mail (adding time in
for the inevitable attached pictures, on a typical 56k connection you
can plan on about 6 minutes per meg of picture size)
Also include the little fact that you can hide some real nasty things in
HTML and cause trouble, as well as sticking in phishing HTML which the
marketers use just to find live addresses (they insert a small HTML code
that opens as soon as you open the message, it tells them that you have
a working E-mail account, they then sell your address to spammers)


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

Pacifism - The theory that if they'd fed
Jeffrey Dahmer enough human flesh,
he'd have become a vegan.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )


> could someone explain what the difference between html and plain text
is ? i
> went to the outlook express options and found i had the html button
turned
> on, but i have no idea what
> thats all about,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
> To: <SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:05 AM
> Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming
>
>
> >>
> > Posting in HTML is another waste of space and time for those who
don't
> > want to see it or don't have news and email readers that can use it.
> > HTML code is another back-door entry for viruses, and should not be
> > used for email.
> > >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 05:42:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051219134254.26136.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

To the SEL people....
 As some of you are aware  from various postings in the recent past, I am in the process of re  mediating and (generally) cleaning up a 77 acre parcel which will be  put on the market in the next few months.  Among the "relics" that  came to my attention were the McCormick-Deering 10-20 and the IHC  engine.
 The 10-20 has been sold to a fine fellow in my area who  intends to begin restoration.  He has the time, tools, and (most  importantly) the know-how to accomplish this.  Note that I possess  none of the three above-mentioned qualities.  I am, however, a  believer in preservation of such items and I am pleased that, rather  than going to the scrap heap, the tractor will again "see life" though  virtue of this gentleman's skilled eyes and hands.
 Now, this leaves  the engine in which the tractor restoration fellow had no  interest.  Is there anyone in the Rochester, New York area would  be inclined to affect a restoration on this old soldier?  Know,  too, that there are other implements strew about the landscape on this  property that just might be of interest (threshers, buzz saws, belts,  plows, planters, etc.)
 If anyone out there is close enough and is  at all interested in this "opportunity" (I use that term loosely, here)  please let me know via return email.
 Please do not view this  message as being one of "commerce".  I am most assuredly NOT in  the "old iron" business.  Rather, please think of this concept as  being more along the lines "preservation".
  Thanks.
  Jim Moran

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Folks,

Did I miss it?  Has Christmas (and the ATIS Charity Auction) been cancelled by
the ACLU or taken over by the Hillary in 2008 fund raising campaign?  Or did
the FATGs get tired of having their butt whomped by the SEL folks so they put
the stop to it?

Talk to us Spencer...

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA USA
fero_ah at city-net.com

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 19 06:02:32 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:02:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <20051219134254.26136.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051219134254.26136.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512190859020.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

Would you provide the list with a little more info on the engine?  What
model?  IHC made a great many different engines and they vary hugely in
terms of desirability.  What HP?  What condition & completeness?  Are you
proposing to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction or are you offering it
up for sale?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

>  As some of you are aware  from various postings in the recent past, I am in the process of re  mediating and (generally) cleaning up a 77 acre parcel which will be  put on the market in the next few months.  Among the "relics" that  came to my attention were the McCormick-Deering 10-20 and the IHC  engine.
>  The 10-20 has been sold to a fine fellow in my area who  intends to begin restoration.  He has the time, tools, and (most  importantly) the know-how to accomplish this.  Note that I possess  none of the three above-mentioned qualities.  I am, however, a  believer in preservation of such items and I am pleased that, rather  than going to the scrap heap, the tractor will again "see life" though  virtue of this gentleman's skilled eyes and hands.
>  Now, this leaves  the engine in which the tractor restoration fellow had no  interest.  Is there anyone in the Rochester, New York area would  be inclined to affect a restoration on this old soldier?  Know,  too, that there are other implements strew about the landscape on this  property that just might be of interest (threshers, buzz saws, belts,  plows, planters, etc.)
>  If anyone out there is close enough and is  at all interested in this "opportunity" (I use that term loosely, here)  please let me know via return email.
>  Please do not view this  message as being one of "commerce".  I am most assuredly NOT in  the "old iron" business.  Rather, please think of this concept as  being more along the lines "preservation".



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 19 06:52:23 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:52:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512190859020.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051219145224.80222.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Reply to Arnie's email-
 1.  You can see  some images of  the engine (IHC "M", I believe/the tag is missing)  by going to "public.fotki.com/mikesloane/jim morans discoveries".   As mentioned previously, my appreciation to Mike Sloane for this  posting effort.  Should there be any difficulty with the download,  he may be contacted at mikesloane at verizon.net.
 2.  The  flywheels are 18" in diameter.  In terms of condition, it is what  it is.  It is stuck and there are components missing (e.g., fuel  tank).  The mag is a Wico and the machine had been mounted to a  wooden skid, a portion of which remains.  
 3.   Understand this FULLY...I have next-to-no knowledge of h-'n-m  goods.  However, in "lurking" around the SEL site, I am abundantly  aware of not only your (collective) skills but (perhaps of greater  significance), your (again collective) enthusiasm for the engines and  the importance of their preservation.  It seems to me that you are  a group of men and women who assist each other willingly and with a  high degree of eagerness.  Perhaps with your experience, your  access to the needed "bits and pieces", and your apparent love of a  challenge, this old girl could once again (at least) make some  noise.  Then again, maybe its future is nothing more than a parts  item.  I honestly don't know and admit to nothing further. 8^)
  4.  No, sorry.  I am not proposing donation but, rather,  selling it for a fair price to someone who understands the situation.
  5.  Again, there are many other "things" at the site.  I know  what some are and I don't have a clue as to the purpose of others.
  Let me know, please.
  Jim Moran

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

Would you provide the list with a little more info on the engine?  What
model?  IHC made a great many different engines and they vary hugely in
terms of desirability.  What HP?  What condition & completeness?  Are you
proposing to donate it to the ATIS Charity Auction or are you offering it
up for sale?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

>  As some of you are aware from various postings in the recent past, I am  in the process of re mediating and (generally) cleaning up a 77 acre  parcel which will be put on the market in the next few months. Among  the "relics" that came to my attention were the McCormick-Deering 10-20  and the IHC engine.
> The 10-20 has been sold to a fine fellow in  my area who intends to begin restoration. He has the time, tools, and  (most importantly) the know-how to accomplish this. Note that I possess  none of the three above-mentioned qualities. I am, however, a believer  in preservation of such items and I am pleased that, rather than going  to the scrap heap, the tractor will again "see life" though virtue of  this gentleman's skilled eyes and hands.
> Now, this leaves the  engine in which the tractor restoration fellow had no interest. Is  there anyone in the Rochester, New York area would be inclined to  affect a restoration on this old soldier? Know, too, that there are  other implements strew about the landscape on this property that just  might be of interest (threshers, buzz saws, belts, plows, planters,  etc.)
> If anyone out there is close enough and is at all  interested in this "opportunity" (I use that term loosely, here) please  let me know via return email.
> Please do not view this message  as being one of "commerce". I am most assuredly NOT in the "old iron"  business. Rather, please think of this concept as being more along the  lines "preservation".

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From reb at apex.net  Mon Dec 19 07:12:43 2005
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie Bauer)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:12:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] FM model N bridge engine
References: <005201c60450$03ff0fe0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <004901c604ae$a9583a30$0202a8c0@Dads>

Bill I have FMB catalog #60 1908 I think and it show's an N "Producer" 
flywheel  at 66 X 4 @ 21hp & 70 X 5 @26hp and a "Standard Horizontal" 64 X 3 
1/2 @ 20hp, 66 X 4 @ 25hp & 70 X 5 @32hp.  The Special Electric 72 X 5 1/4 @ 
20hp & 74 X 6 1/2 @ 25hp. It also show's Kerosene and Alcohol engines but 
doesn't give any spec's on these.

Dick Bauer



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Boyce" <bboyce at swat.coop>
To: "stationary engine list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [SEL] FM model N bridge engine


> can anyone supply a horse power size of a FM model N that has 68 inch dia 
> flywheels?
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas
>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Mon Dec 19 08:08:56 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:08:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flames
Message-ID: <20051219.111642.1052.4.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi List,
Why is anyone bitching ?
I guess - Cabin fever.

I have been receiving mail - ( No need for a bunch of "tests") -
responding to some - able to read all - 
have no problen downloading via "dial-up" -
and - If I could help someone, I would make every effort to contact 
them "off-list".

IF I'm sending html - I sure don't know it.

I don't receive the "digest" - found it too hard to read.

Just my 2 cents

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
(_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From curt at imc-group.com  Mon Dec 19 12:40:33 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:40:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years EVE day crankup Kings Mtn. NC
Message-ID: <43A71AC1.2040500@imc-group.com>

Need an engine show fix?

I am posting this a little bit early in anticipation that there may be 
some that might not read email after Christmas and before New Years.

The 3rd annual New Years Crankup will be held on SATURDAY December 31st. 
this year since New Years Day falls on a Sunday.

This is being organized by list lurker Tommy Berry and will be held at 
his dad's place same as before. Last two years have been great weather 
and we are hoping for the same. If inclimate we'll find out who the REAL 
engine and tractor guys are!

Rather than retype all the info here is the link to our club newsletter. 
The crankup info is the first item.
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Newsletters/Jan06.pdf>

There will be a fire ring for those with thin blood, lots of engines and 
tractors, and lunch made by Tommy's parents. Bring a desert to chip in 
if you like.

Here are a few pictures from last year:
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html>

Look forward to seeing you there.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC USA
in sunny, cool, and pleasant NC


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Dec 19 14:20:30 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:20:30 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Test
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220001844.00b0ca10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Testing to find out why my submissions to sel are not getting through.

(Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com)

Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

---
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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Mon Dec 19 14:22:00 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:22:00 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Engine trip (2nd try)
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051220002137.00b0ca10@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

Hi All,
         I hope all the squabbling is over and that you guys now have some 
time to look at engines again (said with a smile).

         I've put pics of last weeks very successful trip up here:
<www.oldengine.org/members/evans/karoo/index.htm>

I would like some information on some of the engines please.
There are quite a few pics but the largest is 70Kbytes so it should go quickly.
There is an Aircooled Petter (for the Poms) I would like identified and a 
Wolseley (for the Aussies) that I need some info on as well. Unfortunately 
not a lot for the Yanks this time. <Grin>

Thanks for looking.

Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 19 14:19:54 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:19:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512191715170.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

You thought that New Way catalog went for serious money.  HAH!!
Check out this Geiser Catalog!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
View this Item on eBay at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7572559323
-----------------------------------------------------------------
GEISER MFG GAS and GASOLINE ENGINES Hit and Miss 1906
Item number: 7572559323
Winning bid: US $449.00
-----------------------------------------------------------------
****? 1906? ****?
Catalog?
The Geiser Manufacturing Company
Waynesboro Pennsylvania
Portable and Stationary Gas and Gasoline Engines.
24 Page Original Catalog !
Aside from?some very minor?discoloration?you have a highly preserved
Geiser Manufacturing original catalog here.




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Dec 19 15:18:44 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:18:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512191715170.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512191715170.98830@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43A73FD4.60600@scrtc.com>

Arnie,
I wanted it but the bidding left me in the dirt. Nice catalog though.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


>Hi Folks,
>
>You thought that New Way catalog went for serious money.  HAH!!
>Check out this Geiser Catalog!
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>View this Item on eBay at
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7572559323
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>GEISER MFG GAS and GASOLINE ENGINES Hit and Miss 1906
>Item number: 7572559323
>Winning bid: US $449.00
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>****? 1906? ****?
>Catalog?
>The Geiser Manufacturing Company
>Waynesboro Pennsylvania
>Portable and Stationary Gas and Gasoline Engines.
>24 Page Original Catalog !
>Aside from?some very minor?discoloration?you have a highly preserved
>Geiser Manufacturing original catalog here.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 00:04:01 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:04:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] ATIS Christmas Charity Auction?
In-Reply-To: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1134949022.43a5f29ee7f5f@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512190004j381c1840w9868e93d70cd1b36@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/18/05, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Did I miss it?  Has Christmas (and the ATIS Charity Auction) been cancelled by
> the ACLU or taken over by the Hillary in 2008 fund raising campaign?  Or did
> the FATGs get tired of having their butt whomped by the SEL folks so they put
> the stop to it?
>
> Talk to us Spencer...
>
> See ya,  Arnie

Haven't seen anything on the SEL list this year, but Spenecr has been
busy with work etc so may not have had time to get it together.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Mon Dec 19 16:59:36 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:59:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <100.225658af.30d8b178@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/17/2005 10:35:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rdhaskell at juno.com writes:

Hi   Francis.  Glad to hear you got it running.  Yes there is a  check
valve on the end of the copper line, it screws into the cast iron  tank.


Ron,
There wasn't a check valve on outlet of the fuel line at the  tank.  I made 
one and installed it.  Before I go any further, I  have two more questions - is 
there supposed to be a screen on the tank  pick up tube?  Does the end of the 
fuel pick up fitting that  screws into cast iron tank sit about ?" above the 
bottom of the  tank?
I received manual today.  My engine is  slightly different than what is shown 
in manual.  The fuel pick up fitting  on my engine is located to the rear 
under the head, whereas, the manual has it  located on the side just below the 
fuel filler neck.  My engine has the  crank handle located on the flywheel, 
whereas, the manual shows a removable  crank.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sun Dec 18 23:59:50 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:59:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Snipping and Flaming ( what is HTML )
In-Reply-To: <004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
References: <6f6025160512180305t5b17ebabyfaec904423bb0184@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101c60448$039969e0$3f6ffea9@BillyBob>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512182359g6a6456e3m8c2732cb7cc6c8f1@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/19/05, Bill Boyce <bboyce at swat.coop> wrote:
> could someone explain what the difference between html and plain text is ? i
> went to the outlook express options and found i had the html button turned
> on, but i have no idea what
> thats all about,,,
> bill boyce
> lost prairie, arkansas

Bill:

HTML stands for Hyper Text Markup Language.

It is a form of coding that allows suitably equipped software to make
changes to things like text such as bold font faces, coloured text,
underlining and so on. All web sites run on HTML code of some kind or
other.

The problems lie with both the way HTML coding is handled in emails,
and the way it can be exploited buy some viruses. It also makes emails
much larger than they would have been if they had been in plain text.

The recognised default for email and Usenet news messages is Plain
Text, to keep messages and emails smaller and more easily read by a
greater range of programs.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 19 17:57:51 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:57:51 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14
References: <200512191700.jBJH04u6001936@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00f001c60508$c8e584c0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Just so that everyone knows where I am in case I need any help with 
something I have modified my sig to include my location.

Rick Rowlands
sitting in my chair at the computer
in the living room
of our apartment on the third floor
on the north side of Youngstown, Ohio
halfway between Cleveland and Pittsburgh
halfway between New York and Chicago
on the North American Continent
in the northern hemisphere
of the planet Earth
Third body orbiting Sol
about halfway out on one of the spirals of the milky Way Galaxy

Can you PLEASE be more specific ..... 8^)

A parallel universe or not??? 

Extra 8^)'s



Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 19 18:05:36 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:05:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Cub Status
Message-ID: <20051219.180536.532.6.rdhaskell@juno.com>

PS. Mine is under the head, and it is ?" hex brass.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 19 18:05:45 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:05:45 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14
References: <200512191700.jBJH04u6001936@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00f501c60509$e370e8b0$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Amen Bro!!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.


Bloody Pom stirrer! 8^)


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Dec 19 18:11:57 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:11:57 +1100
Subject: [SEL] see this
Message-ID: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 19 18:12:09 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:12:09 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 14
References: <200512191700.jBJH04u6001936@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <010701c6050a$c8872630$0200a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:28:26 -0500
From: "Steve W." <falcon at telenet.net>

Bill,
 HTML is a computer language that allows you to insert colors, different
typefaces, clipart and many other items into your E-mail (it's primary
use is to write web content). The problem is that even though it looks
fine and dandy it creates a HUGE file that folks have to download. It
also creates a jumble of extra crap that you have to dig through to find
the actual message. Many folks who have high speed connections love it.
They forget that many folks do not have high speed and have slow
dial-ups and some pay per kilobyte to download their mail.

Well, I for one knew NOTHING of this.

A great heads up ..... Changed the browser accordingly ...... No wonder my 
dialup friends were angry!!!


Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From old_iron at msn.com  Mon Dec 19 19:50:18 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:50:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
In-Reply-To: <43A73FD4.60600@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F54306ED13829172755A5BE73E0@phx.gbl>

All this money for just 24 pages, that works out to $18.71 per page WOW, 
just think how much the "Yellow Bible" you fella's value so highly will 
bring one day!!!

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Really Pricey Paper
>Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:18:44 -0500
>
>Arnie,
>I wanted it but the bidding left me in the dirt. Nice catalog though.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>You thought that New Way catalog went for serious money.  HAH!!
>>Check out this Geiser Catalog!
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>View this Item on eBay at
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7572559323
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>GEISER MFG GAS and GASOLINE ENGINES Hit and Miss 1906
>>Item number: 7572559323
>>Winning bid: US $449.00
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>****??? 1906??? ****???
>>Catalog???
>>The Geiser Manufacturing Company
>>Waynesboro Pennsylvania
>>Portable and Stationary Gas and Gasoline Engines.
>>24 Page Original Catalog !
>>Aside from???some very minor???discoloration???you have a highly preserved
>>Geiser Manufacturing original catalog here.
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:47:11 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:47:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Calendar
Message-ID: <BAY104-F25708F927E05443105FAC9C73E0@phx.gbl>

I just put a Steam Engine Calendar on the Charity Auction.  Lets get this 
show on the road!!  Where are the Blue Handled Fence Pliers?




From andyglines at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 19 20:52:25 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:52:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] P.S. Charity Auction
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39AD1552FD13B98C5A7DD4C73E0@phx.gbl>

That means that the FATGs are ahead 2-0




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Mon Dec 19 20:43:32 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:43:32 +0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
Message-ID: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS 
flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to 
wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
safety glasses.

The points I made to the management were....
The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct 
size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
The glasses were old and not sterilised.
The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could 
not see as to what purpose it served.

I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself in 
this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost 
the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the keyboard 
seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no 
relevance to what was on the screen
I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of 
America.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 19 21:23:23 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:23:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] responding to some - able to read all
Message-ID: <000201c60525$8026c0b0$9db85904@lyle0592c054dd>


Sir
If you mail me off list at lyle45859 at earthlink.net and tell me what type
e-mail program you are using I may be able to explain to you how to check to
see what e-mail program you are using. If it is html, then I may be able to
explain to you on how to change it back over to plain text.

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent.
 

Lyle DeWitt Myles






From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec 19 21:46:35 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:46:35 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Bloody Bullshit isn't Peter, They tried to make us wear a hard hat in a 
Dozer cab at one time, I don't know what it was supposed to protect me from, 
maybe they thought the head lining was going to fall in on me.  Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


To enter the premises it is now required to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
> safety glasses.
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States 
> of America.

>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 



From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 19 22:04:48 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:04:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <43A79F00.5020702@earthlink.net>

ROTFLMFAO!

 From the land of fenced off engine compounds I get this. We, as in the 
USA, are somehow responsible for this? Don't bogart that joint my 
friend, pass it over to me.

snipped like a heifer

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



peter ogborne wrote:

> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 
> MS flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now 
> required to wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of 
> questionable safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the 
> correct size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I 
> could not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad 
> myself in this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork 
> cost the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the 
> keyboard seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it 
> bore no relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United 
> States of America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>



From brock at netspeed.com.au  Mon Dec 19 22:11:53 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:11:53 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin>

G,day Cam
just in case  if you put a CD in the CD player And it slips it could take ya 
head off  :}
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Bloody Bullshit isn't Peter, They tried to make us wear a hard hat in a 
> Dozer cab at one time, I don't know what it was supposed to protect me 
> from, maybe they thought the head lining was going to fall in on me.  Cam
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
> To enter the premises it is now required to
>> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
>> safety glasses.
>> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States 
>> of America.
>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Dec 19 22:25:12 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:25:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <04f701c6052e$5885b530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

No. I blame it here on OUR govt.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS 
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required 
> to wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
> safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct 
> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could 
> not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself 
> in this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost 
> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the 
> keyboard seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it 
> bore no relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States 
> of America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Dec 19 22:42:07 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:42:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] UCLA Study reveals Left wing Bias in media
Message-ID: <43A7A7BF.5030806@comcast.net>

http://www.newsroom.ucla.edu/page.asp?RelNum=6664


From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Dec 19 22:53:54 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:53:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <43A7AA82.40107@comcast.net>

I agree...we are now a nation of litigators, not innovators.Come up with 
a new idea, and if you're not a huge corporation, one of them will sue 
you until you go bankrupt...then they'll use your idea.

Seatbelt laws, Insurance, all a big scam.


From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Mon Dec 19 23:01:08 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:01:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin>
Message-ID: <025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Brock  I never thought that, maybe they were right then, Cheers Cam


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> G,day Cam
> just in case  if you put a CD in the CD player And it slips it could take 
> ya head off  :}

>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Dec 19 23:47:24 2005
From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:47:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <20051220074725.20870.qmail@web25513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Regardless of who started it all, the problem will never go away because too many pen pushers are
making a personal bureaucratic empire out of the paperwork they are dreaming up.

Dave
Back in Ireland


		
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From mickc at vic.australis.com.au  Tue Dec 20 00:41:12 2005
From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:41:12 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam><001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin>
	<025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <006e01c60541$2499cc30$b1ad57ca@n>

G'day Cam
Or it could even be for those small fans that they hang in the corners in 
the roof, dangerous things with the fan blade whirling around!!
    Cheers
         Mick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cam grundy" <ponchie at ozemail.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Hey Brock  I never thought that, maybe they were right then, Cheers Cam
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brock Summerfield" <brock at netspeed.com.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
>> G,day Cam
>> just in case  if you put a CD in the CD player And it slips it could take
>> ya head off  :}
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> SEL mailing list
>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 20 01:34:58 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:34:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3><023301c60528$bdcac0d0$0301a8c0@Cam><001501c6052c$46651f50$5f11fea9@merlin><025201c60533$295539c0$0301a8c0@Cam>
	<006e01c60541$2499cc30$b1ad57ca@n>
Message-ID: <027601c60548$a57db120$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Mick the way they are going we will be wearing Stack hats in cars before 
long. Cam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.




From plb at iinet.net.au  Tue Dec 20 03:53:34 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:53:34 +0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT
In-Reply-To: <027601c60548$a57db120$0301a8c0@Cam>
Message-ID: <4jms14$g4a1rc@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

Well having spent the last 18 years working in mining equipment workshops I
can affirm that the whole safety scenario pays good wages to a bunch of know
all waster's who have never operated a machine or done a days work of any
kind and without their  little safety course would be a burden on those of
us who pay far to much tax. I've lost count of the safety inductions I've
done that specifically cater for the brain dead. If I get a call from a mine
with a break down these days I tell them straight that I will do no more of
them and if that doesn't suit get another Line Borer.
Ray Freeman
Perth. W.Oz

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of cam grundy
Sent: Tuesday, 20 December 2005 5:35 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT

Hey Mick the way they are going we will be wearing Stack hats in cars before

long. Cam

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mick Christie" <mickc at vic.australis.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


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From Germoamer at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 04:32:27 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:32:27 EST
Subject: [SEL] see this
Message-ID: <194.4d5c4b46.30d953db@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/19/2005 9:45:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
randmingold at hotkey.net.au writes:

<< 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html >>


Reg,

I noticed that too and the way some of the pictures where taken I first 
thought it was something large.  Sue looks like a great piece of work.  Any idea 
what it is and how it works.  Maybe Curt can shed some light.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 20 04:42:50 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 04:42:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1206.165.206.180.19.1135082570.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Don't blame us! We are NOT the country that has banned wooden matches and
make you put fences around your engines!
You can't lay that one us - look to your own pollies there.

Hell, we don't even OWN steel facilities any more, foreigners do.

Bill

> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
> to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
> safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
> not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
> in
> this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
> keyboard
> seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
> relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
> of
> America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 04:42:15 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:42:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: see this
In-Reply-To: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512200737310.12127@vegeta.city-net.com>

G'day Reg,

Ain't it awesome?  He does incredible work.  We were at the Asheville show
one year and John Fankhauser had a couple of his models there.  The two of
them got along like long lost brothers.  The next year he had this one
modeled on one of John's creations.  They were like little kids at
Christmas comparing & contrasting.  8-))
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010083.html

See ya,  Arnie

On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, R & M Ingold wrote:

> Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html



From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Tue Dec 20 06:54:23 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:54:23 -0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <008601c60575$44679770$304a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

I bought a couple of pieces of steel about a month ago.  Walked into the 
yard and thrashed around through some of the remnants until I found some the 
right diameter.  The next step was to attract an employee to cut some of it 
off which finally happened.  I then carried this over to the scale and paid 
for it. No hard hats, vests or glasses.  What leads you to think that YOUR 
safety regulations are the fault of the US?

Jim

 and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to
wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
safety glasses.

The points I made to the management were....
The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
The glasses were old and not sterilised.
The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
not see as to what purpose it served.

I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself in
this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the keyboard
seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
relevance to what was on the screen
I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of
America.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 20 07:34:13 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 07:34:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <04f701c6052e$5885b530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<04f701c6052e$5885b530$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <1726.165.206.180.19.1135092853.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Thanks Reg - we sure don't have the market cornered on idiot politicians
or insurance companies who want to make a 15000% profit or scared business
people.  I guess it shows maybe the liberals ARE beginning to leave the US
and settle elsewhere.

However, this REALLY belongs on slick since it's a political
statement/complaint from word one, not engine related in any form of the
word.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA and proud of it

> No. I blame it here on OUR govt.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 3:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
>> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6
>> MS
>> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now
>> required
>> to wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of
>> questionable
>> safety glasses.
>>
>> The points I made to the management were....
>> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the
>> correct
>> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
>> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
>> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
>> not see as to what purpose it served.
>>
>> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad
>> myself
>> in this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
>> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
>> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork
>> cost
>> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
>> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
>> keyboard seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it
>> bore no relevance to what was on the screen
>> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
>> of America.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Tue Dec 20 08:14:23 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 10:14:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] see this
References: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <003e01c60580$715338b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has quite a dissertation 
on this engine.
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "List SEL" 
<sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: [SEL] see this


> Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>
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> 




From don.h at wcoil.com  Tue Dec 20 10:00:51 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:00:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1206.165.206.180.19.1135082570.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <007801c6058f$50fda460$6400a8c0@number1>

Remember you gotta consinder the source!!!!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bill at antique-engines.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> Don't blame us! We are NOT the country that has banned wooden matches and
> make you put fences around your engines!
> You can't lay that one us - look to your own pollies there.
>
> Hell, we don't even OWN steel facilities any more, foreigners do.
>
> Bill
>
>> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
>> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
>> to
>> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
>> safety glasses.
>>
>> The points I made to the management were....
>> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
>> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
>> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
>> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
>> not see as to what purpose it served.
>>
>> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
>> in
>> this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
>> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
>> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
>> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
>> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
>> keyboard
>> seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
>> relevance to what was on the screen
>> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
>> of
>> America.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
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>
> 




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 11:07:05 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:07:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <008601c60575$44679770$304a6e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>
Message-ID: <20051220190705.16802.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>

J&D-
  In terms of Mr. Ogborne's comment, I read it and (hopefully correctly  assumed) a "smiling face".  In the realm of cyberspace exchanges  (that is to say where one party is not "looking" into the face of the  other) I have found it better to (using the word again) "assume" things  are good-natured as opposed to mean spirited.
  I am probably off base more than half the time but, then again, I don't have any ulcers of which I am aware. :-)
  JM

Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:  I bought a couple of pieces of steel about a month ago.  Walked into the 
yard and thrashed around through some of the remnants until I found some the 
right diameter.  The next step was to attract an employee to cut some of it 
off which finally happened.  I then carried this over to the scale and paid 
for it. No hard hats, vests or glasses.  What leads you to think that YOUR 
safety regulations are the fault of the US?

Jim

 and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to
wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
safety glasses.

The points I made to the management were....
The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
The glasses were old and not sterilised.
The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
not see as to what purpose it served.

I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself in
this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the keyboard
seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
relevance to what was on the screen
I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of
America.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au


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From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Tue Dec 20 11:46:37 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 13:46:37 -0600
Subject: [SEL] see this
References: <048c01c6050a$ca795940$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
	<003e01c60580$715338b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <001001c6059e$1af037c0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

That's the May/June 1984 issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine.  Slight 
omission on my part!
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] see this


> The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has quite a 
> dissertation on this engine.
> Dan Bousman
> Pleasant Hill, Missouri
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "oldengine list" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "List SEL" 
> <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:11 PM
> Subject: [SEL] see this
>
>
>> Check out this for a model! and the pics either side a ways!
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/P1010084.html
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 11:55:39 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:55:39 EST
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
Message-ID: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>

Hi List,
Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type 
engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss engine.  
I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I was 
told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of the 
engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my budget 
and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be appreciated. 
 

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From bill at antique-engines.com  Tue Dec 20 12:25:48 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:25:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2556.165.206.180.19.1135110348.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I happen to know a couple of quilt store owners who sell embroidery
machines and if you like I could inquire as to what it would take for you.
They may do something for me at a cut rate since we are former quilt store
owners ourselves and on good terms with them all.

I also have a couple cousins in the business of doing embroidery so I
could ask them (acutally Barbara's cousins)

Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA

> Hi List,
> Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type
> engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss
> engine.
> I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I
> was
> told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of
> the
> engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my
> budget
> and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
> Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be
> appreciated.
>
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 12:39:10 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:39:10 EST
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
Message-ID: <22f.3915fa7.30d9c5ee@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/20/2005 12:35:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
bill at antique-engines.com writes:

I happen  to know a couple of quilt store owners who sell embroidery
machines and if  you like I could inquire as to what it would take for you.
They may do  something for me at a cut rate since we are former quilt store
owners  ourselves and on good terms with them all.

I also have a couple cousins  in the business of doing embroidery so I
could ask them (acutally Barbara's  cousins)



Bill,
Thanks.  Yes, I am interested.  I am willing to send the  jacket or even 
purchase one through the embroidery shop if I find the  pattern that I want.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Tue Dec 20 12:50:18 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:50:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT
References: <4jms14$g4a1rc@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <02c201c605a6$fd4d7620$0301a8c0@Cam>

Ray I can see where you are coming from, I worked for hire company's and was 
in and out of mines all the time, wouldn't you think that if they had to 
have inductions it would be much simpler to have one that would cover all 
mines.
   I've sat through a full week of that crap numerous times. Do you think it 
has slowed down accidents? I don't
     Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad. OT


> Well having spent the last 18 years working in mining equipment workshops 
> I
> can affirm that the whole safety scenario pays good wages to a bunch of 
> know
> all waster's who have never operated a machine or done a days work of any
> kind and without their  little safety course would be a burden on those of
> us who pay far to much tax. I've lost count of the safety inductions I've
> done that specifically cater for the brain dead. If I get a call from a 
> mine
> with a break down these days I tell them straight that I will do no more 
> of
> them and if that doesn't suit get another Line Borer.
> Ray Freeman
> Perth. W.Oz

> 



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Dec 20 12:54:18 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:54:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43A86F7A.6020702@insulate.co.uk>

Hi Francis

Sounds like you need your picture digitising (the process of turning a 
graphic into an embroidery design).
There are lots of people who do this - I had photos of Jim's motorbikes 
and oilfield engine made into small sewing designs about 4" sq which was 
the maximum size I could use on my old sewing machine.  I think it cost 
me $120 for all three designs.
http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/mystuff/sewing14.htm
 Many digitizers charge per 1000 stitches.  I also found one on eBay who 
charged a flat rate and did a superb job of Reg's Regimota logo for me:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EMBROIDERY-DIGITIZING-SERVICE-HOME-INDUSTRIAL-FORMATS_W0QQitemZ8244371650QQcategoryZ71196QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Once you've got the design, all  you need to do is buy the garment and 
find someone who can put the two together for you.  I'm on some 
embroidery forums, so I'm sure I could find someone local to you.
Once you have paid to have the design digitised, that design belongs to 
you.  The formats are easily converted from one type of machine to 
another - even I have the software to do that!
I would recommend getting quotes from at least a couple of places.
Let me know, helen at insulate.co.uk, if I can be of further help.

Dolly

FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi List,
>Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type 
>engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss engine.  
>I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I was 
>told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of the 
>engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my budget 
>and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
>Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be appreciated. 
> 
>
>
>  
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From jnyost at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 06:35:36 2005
From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:35:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Calendar
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F25708F927E05443105FAC9C73E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051220143536.94296.qmail@web34606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The show is on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- Andy Glines <andyglines at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I just put a Steam Engine Calendar on the Charity
> Auction.  Lets get this 
> show on the road!!  Where are the Blue Handled Fence
> Pliers?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 


Jim and Janna Yost
Utica, Ohio
USA
jnyost at yahoo.com

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From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Tue Dec 20 14:39:54 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:39:54 +0000
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43A8883A.3000303@insulate.co.uk>

I just posted the pics of the Regimota design I had digitised, so you 
can see the quality:
http://www.dollyfrench.com/reg1.htm

Dolly

FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

>Hi List,
>Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" type 
>engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit miss engine.  
>I took a picture of an Economy engine to my local  embroidery shop and I was 
>told that they didn't have an available program  to make an embroidery of the 
>engine.   They could develop a  program for a price which is beyond my budget 
>and, furthermore, the program  would not be mine.
>Any suggestions where I can  get data for this project, will  be appreciated. 
> 
>  
>
-- 

Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From garyepps at fidnet.com  Tue Dec 20 17:24:42 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:24:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com> <43A8883A.3000303@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008901c605cd$5668c860$b044e5d8@gary>

Very good workmanship Dolly!

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim French" <fbi at insulate.co.uk>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted


> I just posted the pics of the Regimota design I had digitised, so you 
> can see the quality:
> http://www.dollyfrench.com/reg1.htm
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 20 17:31:14 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:31:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
In-Reply-To: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
References: <1fa.1720895d.30d9bbbb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <f8ed98ad126f7b07919f1f932eb011eb@chartertn.net>

Several years ago we had a List member who was in the business of 
making those, and I have a lovely shop apron he made with a nice 
picture of an H&M engine embroidered on it. Alas, my dementia has 
progressed to the point that I can't think of his name at the moment.

Maybe he'll see this and pipe up. Or, you might try posting the query 
over on the Smokestak and see if he's over there.

John

On Dec 20, 2005, at 2:55 PM, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> Does anyone know where I can get embroidery program for a "hit  miss" 
> type
> engine?  I want to get a jacket embroidered with a scene of a  hit 
> miss engine.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 17:41:36 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:41:36 EST
Subject: [SEL] [SEL} Hit Miss Embroidery Program Wanted
Message-ID: <228.39244e1.30da0cd0@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/20/2005 5:40:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:

Several  years ago we had a List member who was in the business of 
making those,  and I have a lovely shop apron he made with a nice 
picture of an H&M  engine embroidered on it. Alas, my dementia has 
progressed to the point  that I can't think of his name at the moment.

Maybe he'll see this and  pipe up. Or, you might try posting the query 
over on the Smokestak and see  if he's over there.


Thanks John.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Dec 20 15:42:48 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 07:42:48 +0800
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
References: <20051220190705.16802.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c605cf$aebb7dd0$e2288795@ogborneuah38i3>

Correctly assumed James.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.


> J&D-
>  In terms of Mr. Ogborne's comment, I read it and (hopefully correctly
> assumed) a "smiling face".  In the realm of cyberspace exchanges  (that is
> to say where one party is not "looking" into the face of the  other) I
> have found it better to (using the word again) "assume" things  are
> good-natured as opposed to mean spirited.
>  I am probably off base more than half the time but, then again, I don't
> have any ulcers of which I am aware. :-)
>  JM
>
> Jim and Diane <jd.kirkes at verizon.net> wrote:  I bought a couple of pieces
> of steel about a month ago.  Walked into the
> yard and thrashed around through some of the remnants until I found some
> the
> right diameter.  The next step was to attract an employee to cut some of
> it
> off which finally happened.  I then carried this over to the scale and
> paid
> for it. No hard hats, vests or glasses.  What leads you to think that YOUR
> safety regulations are the fault of the US?
>
> Jim
>
> and Diane Kirkes
> Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
> jd.kirkes at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "peter ogborne"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:43 PM
> Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
>
>
> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
> to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
> safety glasses.
>
> The points I made to the management were....
> The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
> size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
> The glasses were old and not sterilised.
> The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
> not see as to what purpose it served.
>
> I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
> in
> this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
> Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
> To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
> the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
> I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
> keyboard
> seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
> relevance to what was on the screen
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
> of
> America.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
>
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From old_iron at msn.com  Tue Dec 20 20:43:47 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:43:47 -0600
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
In-Reply-To: <000901c605cf$aebb7dd0$e2288795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <BAY113-F159A03946205B149458E1CE7310@phx.gbl>

I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin fever have set in, and 
this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses.

I love you all on this list and would surly not like to see ANYONE get hurt, 
I agree that these "safety" precautions are a little over the top.

Merry Christmas to all and a SAFE and healthy New Year.

XOXOXO
Peg Pfeiffer

>>Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS
>>flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required
>>to
>>wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable
>>safety glasses.
>>
>>The points I made to the management were....
>>The safety hat , only three were available none of which were the correct
>>size and sat on my head like a bloody pimple on a pumpkin.
>>The glasses were old and not sterilised.
>>The fluro vest ....apart from making me look like a bloody idiot I could
>>not see as to what purpose it served.
>>
>>I was told by management in no uncertain manner that unless I clad myself
>>in
>>this ridiculous attire I could not enter.
>>Consequently as I wanted the material I obliged.
>>To cap it all off ......the item cost me $2 but the bloody paperwork cost
>>the firm $15 ,computer entry's etc etc.
>>I must say that the staff member after an interminable time on the
>>keyboard
>>seemed to grab this figure from out of thin air ,I am sure it bore no
>>relevance to what was on the screen
>>I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States
>>of
>>America.
>>Peter Ogborne




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 20 21:13:09 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:13:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad.
In-Reply-To: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Peter,

As Slick Willy used to say I feel your pain.  But when I visit my local steel
yard to buy a box of off-cuts and shear trimmings, I walk onto the shop floor
and load my boxes.  No hard hat, no viz jacket, no safety glasses, no steel toe
boots.  I do wear my own leather gloves cos I'm not a dummy.  I pay cash by the
pound when they weigh my boxes out.

Oh, and we don't erect bloody fences around our engines at rallys.  I own and
carry firearms.  We can own knives, swords, cross-bows, etc.

If you're looking for the source of your nanny-state, I think you better check
FAR closer to home.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au>:

> Today I went to my local Smorgon Steel supply to buy a piece of 100 x6 MS 
> flat bar ,an off cut would be OK.To enter the premises it is now required to
> wear a safety helmet, a fluro coloured vest and a pair of questionable 
> safety glasses.
<snip>
> I lay the blame for this madness solely at the foot of the United States of 
> America.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 20 21:43:35 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:43:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad
In-Reply-To: <1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>


>   I pay cash by the pound when they weigh my boxes out.
>See ya,  Arnie

doG damned if I'm going to tell the world that you pay VERY LITTLE when 
this occurs. I was going to say that "Even I'm not going to touch that one" 
but I knew that someone would take it the wrong way!
         Dave
PS, Kelley says that she has two queens reserved for us at Tulare. Are you 
a GO?





From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 20 23:36:29 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:36:29 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
In-Reply-To: <003e01c60580$715338b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <000f01c60601$4391cb40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has
quite 
> a dissertation on this engine.
> Dan Bousman
> Pleasant Hill, Missouri

Hi Dan, 
If you've spilled the beans on this issue before, please
forgive me, as I must have overlooked it.  But your email
address is VERY intriguing.  Are you a Sabre driver?

Rob

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 







From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 00:27:26 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:27:26 +0000
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-F159A03946205B149458E1CE7310@phx.gbl>
References: <000901c605cf$aebb7dd0$e2288795@ogborneuah38i3>
	<BAY113-F159A03946205B149458E1CE7310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512210027x41080de7p54c1a25118dfd705@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr <old_iron at msn.com> wrote:
> I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin fever have set in, and
> this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses.
>
> I love you all on this list and would surly not like to see ANYONE get hurt,
> I agree that these "safety" precautions are a little over the top.
>
> Merry Christmas to all and a SAFE and healthy New Year.
>
> XOXOXO
> Peg Pfeiffer
>

Hi Peg:

Love this time of year also, the shortest day has just passed and we
can look forward to the Spring and light evenings again.

As far as 'Cabin Fever' goes, it has no place on an email list that is
distributed widely amongst folks who are purported to be friends in an
engine community.

We were brought up in the 1940's and 50's to believe that your word
was your bond, and that if you couldn't say anything good about a
person, then you should say nothing at all.

Having a pop at someone on an email list is a cheap way of doing
something that you would not do face to face, and it lowers my
estimation of folks when I see it going on here.

Love from us both,

Peter & Rita
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 00:29:57 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:29:57 +0000
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>
References: <001801c6051f$f7e394d0$40f531cb@ogborneuah38i3>
	<1135141989.43a8e4653c78b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512210029j585698c0w8c24d2a6e59ab156@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> >   I pay cash by the pound when they weigh my boxes out.
> >See ya,  Arnie
>
> doG damned if I'm going to tell the world that you pay VERY LITTLE when
> this occurs. I was going to say that "Even I'm not going to touch that one"
> but I knew that someone would take it the wrong way!
>          Dave
> PS, Kelley says that she has two queens reserved for us at Tulare. Are you
> a GO?
>

Hi Dave:

Could you reassure us that the 'queens' are not the 'wrong' sort please? :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 21 04:13:25 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:13:25 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] health and safety......gone mad
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051221003624.04c31b58@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051221121325.23665.qmail@web26314.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I thought that the Terrace Lodge was in Indiana. Is
Winslow meeting you there?
A.M.

--- Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
<snip>
 two queens reserved for
> us at Tulare. Are you 
> a GO?



		
___________________________________________________________ 
NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/


From andyglines at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 21 05:26:45 2005
From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:26:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction???? 
Message-ID: <BAY104-F16CC4D2BE2199F8EE7E951C7310@phx.gbl>

I am a bit confused.  Is the ATIS on-line charity auction supposed to happen 
this year?  The auction is usually the center if coinversation here and this 
year nothing??  Did I miss something?




From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Wed Dec 21 07:38:56 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:38:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <000f01c60601$4391cb40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <000801c60644$a7a63bf0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre driver.
Dan Bousman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:36 AM
Subject: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> 
>> The May/June issue of Home Shop Machinist magazine has
> quite 
>> a dissertation on this engine.
>> Dan Bousman
>> Pleasant Hill, Missouri
> 
> Hi Dan, 
> If you've spilled the beans on this issue before, please
> forgive me, as I must have overlooked it.  But your email
> address is VERY intriguing.  Are you a Sabre driver?
> 
> Rob
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> Rob Skinner
> La Habra, California
> mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
> http://www.rustyiron.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 08:23:49 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:23:49 EST
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
Message-ID: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>

Rob,
In the late '50s, I worked for North American Aviation at  Fresno.  Our main 
effort was modifying F-86Ds into F-86Ls.  We  also did some work on F-86Ks.  
The K models were the hot rod of the F-86  series.
Bob Hoover really could put these planes through maneuvers that  many pilots 
thought impossible.  I watch him clover leaf one at an air  show.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 10:05:28 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:05:28 +0000
Subject: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
In-Reply-To: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>
References: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512211005q1e63903bv237e7671daa5013e@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/21/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> Rob,
> In the late '50s, I worked for North American Aviation at  Fresno.  Our main
> effort was modifying F-86Ds into F-86Ls.  We  also did some work on F-86Ks.
> The K models were the hot rod of the F-86  series.
> Bob Hoover really could put these planes through maneuvers that  many pilots
> thought impossible.  I watch him clover leaf one at an air  show.
>
> Francis  Maciel
> Santa Maria, CA
>

Bob Hoover figures a lot in the Yeager autobiography, it's a very good
book and well worth reading.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From adamcottrill at bigpond.com  Wed Dec 21 17:55:58 2005
From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:55:58 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>

Hi guys,
           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly stupid amounts of money and won.

That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting it.

Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.

Ill explain... 

The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery Assocition are a member of.

Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the association thats fine no one will stop you.

Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a good wicket.  

The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.

The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.

And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking like a total tool in a red jacket.

And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.

My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his remington left handed side be side.

But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this to me?

Best wishes for the festive season,
                                                 Adam

  




From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 18:09:40 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:09:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <15d.5e27affe.30db64e4@aol.com>

Hi Adam,
In Texas, near Waco, and not all that long ago, a fellow had his family and 
associates, men, women and children, burn to death and had he had an effective 
anti-tank weapon there might have been a different outcome.
Ron

In a message dated 12/21/2005 8:04:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
adamcottrill at bigpond.com writes:
<SNIP>But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this to 
me?
<SNIP>
                                                 Adam


From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Dec 21 18:22:11 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:22:11 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <010f01c6069e$86390100$681a8347@D6R3D961>

I guess those armadillos are tough creatures

Roger


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run 
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the 
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club 
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, 
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to 
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this 
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Wed Dec 21 18:35:43 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:35:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>

> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need 
> to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please 
> explain this to me?

You don't "need" to own that side by side shotgun, or a bow, or an 
engine, but you want to. There are people who own (having gone through 
intensive government investigation and paid heavy taxation to do so) 
arms like you mention, because they're fascinated with them and play 
with them like we do our old engines. They're not hurting anyone. 
Contrary to some myths, it's been pretty hard to legally own such 
things as fully automatic weapons, short barrelled shotguns or rifles, 
or "destructive devices" such as antitank weapons in the U.S. since 
1934.

But why should folks who aren't going to misuse them be forbidden from 
having them? The same question applies to all other categories of 
weaponry, including so-called "assault weapons" with semiautomatic 
actions and ugly black plastic stocks.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From falcon at telenet.net  Wed Dec 21 18:37:24 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:37:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <001e01c606a0$a4b69140$a71117d1@net.telenet.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>            I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial
system and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions
has been removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt
immune and we all have stories of how people successfully sued and won
for seemingly stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel
that they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in
getting it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
$100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
think its a good wicket.

And in the US you can join a MUCH larger organization (EDGETA) and have
full insurance coverage and NO FENCES ARE "GUIDELINED"

>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your
club signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow
it (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the
policy will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond
this is that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of
the policy or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.

Those restrictions and ramifications are why it is considered "law".


>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront
risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily
basis, to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone
looking like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you
miss on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I
have his remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need
to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
this to me?

Because we have the RIGHT to own them.  It is a RIGHT, NEED has
absolutely nothing to do with it.

>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                  Adam
>
>

Sounds typical of the Liberal mindset that exists in some people in the
US.  I don't see a NEED for something so you are not allowed to
have/do/say/think it. Then they come up with the typical, well it is
done just to "help" some group or another. Hillary's group was "it's to
help the children" In your case the club is saying YOU WILL DO WHAT WE
TELL YOU OR ELSE. Sounds like the mob to me, or a union.



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 18:50:06 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:50:06 EST
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <1d5.4b0e729d.30db6e5e@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/21/2005 6:38:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
solarrog at pacbell.net writes:

> My  grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have  his 
> remington left handed side be side.


Adam,
What is a "remington left handed side be  side"?     

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria,  CA



From driggars at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 18:52:39 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:52:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <43AA14F7.5050101@earthlink.net>

Adam

>
>But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this to me?
>  
>

who in Texas wants to have a bunch of M-16's or Anti Tank guns?

There may be a couple of collectors, but I have lived here all my life 
and dont know anyone you are talking about?
if there are some, then I would not think it specific to Texans! As  
most Texans, we do however stand proud in out protection of our right to 
bear arms, no matter what kind of weapon it is
and if there is people in Texas that do own these weapons, I certainly 
dont here of any of them using them in any kind of criminal way? So, 
what I want to know, why would it be a problem since it isnt a problem?

Clint

>Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>  
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 21 19:10:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:10:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <010f01c6069e$86390100$681a8347@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this is going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
  JM

Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos are tough creatures

Roger


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run 
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the 
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club 
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, 
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to 
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this 
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Wed Dec 21 19:38:32 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:38:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013301c606a9$3024b6f0$681a8347@D6R3D961>

please go back and read the prior messages
Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


>I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this is 
>going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
>  JM
>
> Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos are 
> tough creatures
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
>> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been
>> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we
>> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly
>> stupid amounts of money and won.
>>
>> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
>> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
>> it.
>>
>> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
>> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
>> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>>
>> Ill explain...
>>
>> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
>> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
>> Assocition are a member of.
>>
>> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to 
>> run
>> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
>> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>>
>> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect 
>> the
>> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
>> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
>> good wicket.
>>
>> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your 
>> club
>> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
>> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
>> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
>> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
>> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>>
>> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
>> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
>> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>>
>> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
>> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily 
>> basis,
>> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
>> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>>
>> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
>> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
>> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
>> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
>> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters 
>> to
>> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
>> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>>
>> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss 
>> on
>> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
>> remington left handed side be side.
>>
>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
>> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
>> this
>> to me?
>>
>> Best wishes for the festive season,
>>                                                 Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 19:46:00 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:46:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Adam,

Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
understanding of your country.  

However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
us on this list.  

It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
their loss as much as it is your spectators.

As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
fine Gentleman.  

I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
to your question would be:

	Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
Texas or 
      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss 
      Engine? I don't see a difference!

 
Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN
KA9ZOP

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
Cottrill
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad

Hi guys,
Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.

Ill explain... 

The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
Machinery Assocition are a member of.

Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
association thats fine no one will stop you.

Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
$100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
think its a good wicket.  


And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.

My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
his remington left handed side be side.

But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
this to me?

Best wishes for the festive season,
                                                 Adam

  


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec 21 19:47:03 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:47:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Pipe fittings needed
Message-ID: <00ad01c606aa$60633840$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

G'day,
One of my amigos who doesn't subscribe to this list is
looking for a couple cast iron pipe elbows. He needs the
"shoulderless" kind that makes a sharp, ninety degree turn,
not a gradual radius. They should be a 1 1/2" pipe thread.
Older, rustier, junkier is best. You can contact Dusty at
mailto:dme at gameguns.com.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com

 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Wed Dec 21 19:48:17 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 19:48:17 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
In-Reply-To: <000801c60644$a7a63bf0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
driver.

Hi Dan,
I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
and drool. 
Rob



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec 21 13:28:41 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:28:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
Message-ID: <20051221.234241.1336.1.jlb94@juno.com>

In response to Peter's Health and Safety Gone Mad.
 
I can understand where you are coming from Peter.  And Peg Pfeiffer is
right, when she said, "I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin
fever have set in, and 
this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses."
 
However; here would be one reason you (or me) cannot enter a scrap yard
without wearing all that useless unsafe garb.   Lets say you (or me)
enter the yard and they do not require, or do not have, this "safety"
equipment and they, out of the goodness of their little hearts, "let" you
(or me) roam freely around the yard to stumble through the scrap piles of
sharp, barb filled, rusty, disease ridden metal.
 
Clumsy you (or me), while pulling on a piece of 3" x ?" x 6' raw
material, gets stabbed in the eye, because of the lack of proper "safety"
equipment, and needs to have immediate surgery to save your (or my)
sight.
 
And ? Because you (or me) are a highly paid expert marksman sharpshooter
working for the CIA taking out little innocent Girl Scouts selling Girl
Scout Cookies with a 30.06 Winchester with a 80X Scope mounted over the
finest lazar sight our illustrious government can purchase with our hard
earned tax dollars, you (or me) can no longer hold your (or my) $400,000
per year employment, because you (or me) no longer can use BOTH eyes. 
Multiply that times 30 because that's how long your (or my) career
would've lasted, had the company not been so gracious to allow you (or
me) to roam freely about their yard, might add up to about 1.2 million
dollars which, of coarse, the general working public has to pay for with
it's hard earned tax dollars.
 
And ? Because the illustrious government has contracted the most
prestigious lawyer money can buy and, of course, the lawyer's friend, and
fraternal brother, Judge XYZ and, of course, his staff, also fraternal,
who, with hands in each other's pockets, will rape the general public to
as much hard earned tax money as humanly possible.
 
And ? All because of this, the company who had graciously allowed you (or
me) to roam freely about their disease ridden yard, now has to pay 20
times the insurance premium they had before this all happened and now has
to install double fencing where single was sufficient, and hire
"round-the-clock" guard-watch to keep all but the employees out.
 
All because wearing "safety" equipment is a "bother" to you (or me).

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 21 20:43:07 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:43:07 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV109A91299F0D53B58CC2D8BB300@phx.gbl>

Come on up Rob..I'll show ya one and introduce ya to an ole pilot

RickinMt....pack yer lunch :-)




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> > No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
> driver.
> 
> Hi Dan,
> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
> and drool. 
> Rob
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 21 20:48:24 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051222044824.22547.qmail@web35404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly
> don't grasp where this is going.  >   JM
>
G'Day James
Simple answer no where
I cannot belive that my fellow Aussies keep bringing
this crap up, the people on this list are sick of
hearing about bloody fences and gun control, you would
think they would be sick of writing about it, if it
was so much of a issue they would get their clubs to
get out of the national body and if OH&S is such a
great problem there is pleanty on jobs going in the
chinese coal mines, no rules you can start tomorrow.
Please mates give it a break and to blame the yanks is
crap.

Again only my 2 bobs worth

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz




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From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 21 20:49:01 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:01 -0700
Subject: Very O/T[SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
	<43AA14F7.5050101@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV1202B18A543194CE2892EBB300@phx.gbl>

  If ya every heard the sound of a Mini-gun..you'd be dazzled..let alone 4K 
spm of total firepower.

Sorry gang.had to do it..15 years of Minigun, GAU-2b, M-134

RickinMt.


























----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clint D" <driggars at earthlink.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Adam
>
> >
> >But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> >own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
> >this to me?
> >
> >
>
> who in Texas wants to have a bunch of M-16's or Anti Tank guns?
>
> There may be a couple of collectors, but I have lived here all my life
> and dont know anyone you are talking about?
> if there are some, then I would not think it specific to Texans! As
> most Texans, we do however stand proud in out protection of our right to
> bear arms, no matter what kind of weapon it is
> and if there is people in Texas that do own these weapons, I certainly
> dont here of any of them using them in any kind of criminal way? So,
> what I want to know, why would it be a problem since it isnt a problem?
>
> Clint
>
> >Best wishes for the festive season,
> >                                                 Adam
> >
> >
> >
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 21 21:03:53 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:03:53 -0700
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <43AA33B9.9070607@earthlink.net>

Hi Adam,

Been down this road before and I still don't understand.

>The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
Guidelines are not mandated, and your fences are if you wish to be a 
member club. The day I can't go to a show with interaction like this 
will my last engine show.
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BC05/Pull/index.htm

That's it for me on this. One more time for all of you.

http://frapa.us/Merry.html

Best Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
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http://oldengine.org/members/allen/







From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec 21 20:52:15 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:52:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <20051222.001504.1336.6.jlb94@juno.com>

>But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
this to me?
=        =        =        =        =        
Because we, as Americans, have the right to.
"Need" has nothing to do with it.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Wed Dec 21 21:32:23 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:32:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<BAY109-DAV109A91299F0D53B58CC2D8BB300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c606b9$16523300$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

I've seen them flying at Oshkosh.
Also seen four Spitfires at the same time.
Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> Come on up Rob..I'll show ya one and introduce ya to an ole pilot
> 
> RickinMt....pack yer lunch :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
> 
> 
>> > No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
>> driver.
>> 
>> Hi Dan,
>> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
>> and drool. 
>> Rob
>> 
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From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 21 21:33:46 2005
From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:33:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <20051222044824.22547.qmail@web35404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F33FD26FFF02C37976E76A2BA300@phx.gbl>

You are so right Kerry,enough of this c***.


>From: Kerry Morris <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:48:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>--- James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly
> > don't grasp where this is going.  >   JM
> >
>G'Day James
>Simple answer no where
>I cannot belive that my fellow Aussies keep bringing
>this crap up, the people on this list are sick of
>hearing about bloody fences and gun control, you would
>think they would be sick of writing about it, if it
>was so much of a issue they would get their clubs to
>get out of the national body and if OH&S is such a
>great problem there is pleanty on jobs going in the
>chinese coal mines, no rules you can start tomorrow.
>Please mates give it a break and to blame the yanks is
>crap.
>
>Again only my 2 bobs worth
>
>Kerry Morris
>Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
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From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Wed Dec 21 21:52:08 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:52:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
References: <20051221.234241.1336.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <002801c606bb$d896f2a0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking equipment, 
safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??


> In response to Peter's Health and Safety Gone Mad.
>
> I can understand where you are coming from Peter.  And Peg Pfeiffer is
> right, when she said, "I love this time of year, the beginnings of cabin
> fever have set in, and
> this kind of topic can invoke soooo many responses."
>
> However; here would be one reason you (or me) cannot enter a scrap yard
> without wearing all that useless unsafe garb.   Lets say you (or me)
> enter the yard and they do not require, or do not have, this "safety"
> equipment and they, out of the goodness of their little hearts, "let" you
> (or me) roam freely around the yard to stumble through the scrap piles of
> sharp, barb filled, rusty, disease ridden metal.
>
> Clumsy you (or me), while pulling on a piece of 3" x ?" x 6' raw
> material, gets stabbed in the eye, because of the lack of proper "safety"
> equipment, and needs to have immediate surgery to save your (or my)
> sight.
>
> And - Because you (or me) are a highly paid expert marksman sharpshooter
> working for the CIA taking out little innocent Girl Scouts selling Girl
> Scout Cookies with a 30.06 Winchester with a 80X Scope mounted over the
> finest lazar sight our illustrious government can purchase with our hard
> earned tax dollars, you (or me) can no longer hold your (or my) $400,000
> per year employment, because you (or me) no longer can use BOTH eyes.
> Multiply that times 30 because that's how long your (or my) career
> would've lasted, had the company not been so gracious to allow you (or
> me) to roam freely about their yard, might add up to about 1.2 million
> dollars which, of coarse, the general working public has to pay for with
> it's hard earned tax dollars.
>
> And - Because the illustrious government has contracted the most
> prestigious lawyer money can buy and, of course, the lawyer's friend, and
> fraternal brother, Judge XYZ and, of course, his staff, also fraternal,
> who, with hands in each other's pockets, will rape the general public to
> as much hard earned tax money as humanly possible.
>
> And - All because of this, the company who had graciously allowed you (or
> me) to roam freely about their disease ridden yard, now has to pay 20
> times the insurance premium they had before this all happened and now has
> to install double fencing where single was sufficient, and hire
> "round-the-clock" guard-watch to keep all but the employees out.
>
> All because wearing "safety" equipment is a "bother" to you (or me).
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Wed Dec 21 23:29:07 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:29:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that the 
battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint interested 
in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Adam,
>
> Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
> flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
> that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
> list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
> understanding of your country.
>
> However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
> ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
> wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
> socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
> us on this list.
>
> It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
> policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
> great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
> been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
> should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
> better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
> feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
> Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
> getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
> collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
> and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
> fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
> called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
> exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
> The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
> shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
> in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
> LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
> friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
> the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
> there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
> who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
> their loss as much as it is your spectators.
>
> As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
> That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
> family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
> fine Gentleman.
>
> I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
> many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
> practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
> another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
> constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
> definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
> rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
> only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
> them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
> they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
> hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
> to your question would be:
>
> Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
> Texas or
>      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss
>      Engine? I don't see a difference!
>
>
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN
> KA9ZOP
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> Cottrill
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
> Hi guys,
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
> that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
> have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> Machinery Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
> run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
> the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
> $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
> think its a good wicket.
>
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
> they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
> champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
> olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
> season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
> trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
> line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> his remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Wed Dec 21 23:44:28 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:44:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
References: <00ae01c606aa$8c5d75a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <002301c606cb$89faca80$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Rob you wouldn't of got a ride in an F-86. Joe Lynch crashed the only 2 
seater
they built. He rolled too soon on take off at Nellis  AFB in Las Vegas on a 
demonstration
tour in 1954. They did build some 2 seater F-100's . I worked on the 
production line of the F-86
and in Enginenering Flight Test on the F-86, F-100 and F-107 and then as a 
Tech Rep on the
Sabreliner  business jet. Once I  even conned a Sabreliner operator in 
picking up a set of
Stickney engine trucks in Witchita, Kansas and flying them to me in St. 
Louis, MO .
It was while I was on assignment in St. Louis that my neighbor got me 
interested in Hit and
Miss engines.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(ice quite not thick enough for ice fishing yet)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


>> No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
> driver.
>
> Hi Dan,
> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
> and drool.
> Rob
>
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 23:53:18 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:53:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
In-Reply-To: <002801c606bb$d896f2a0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
References: <20051221.234241.1336.1.jlb94@juno.com>
	<002801c606bb$d896f2a0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512212353y1040dcb0qd9655bf2a13eecc4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/22/05, F86SABRE <f86sabre at kcweb.net> wrote:
> What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking equipment,
> safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
> Dan Bousman

You would or should be covered by their Public Liability insurance.

We use hard hats, hi-vis jackets and steel capped shoes on most of our
rail depot service calls, so we have the stuff in the van 24/7. It's
not a problem for professional people who use it daily, just for those
who don't need it/use it regularly.

Most sites in the UK will escort you off-site pretty quickly if you
haven't complied with their safety requirements.

Peter
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 02:21:41 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:21:41 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007401c606e1$841e3be0$16258795@ogborneuah38i3>

James....I am afraid this happens now and then ,just be patient ,delete and 
it will eventually all go away . WE all end up good friends . Sometimes the 
message is a little too subtle for some ,some understand and enter into the 
fray knowing full well it is just friendly banter.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


>I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this is 
>going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
>  JM
>
> Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos are 
> tough creatures
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
>> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been
>> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we
>> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly
>> stupid amounts of money and won.
>>
>> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
>> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
>> it.
>>
>> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
>> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
>> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>>
>> Ill explain...
>>
>> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
>> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
>> Assocition are a member of.
>>
>> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to 
>> run
>> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
>> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>>
>> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect 
>> the
>> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
>> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
>> good wicket.
>>
>> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your 
>> club
>> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
>> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
>> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
>> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
>> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>>
>> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
>> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
>> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>>
>> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
>> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily 
>> basis,
>> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
>> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>>
>> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
>> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
>> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
>> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
>> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters 
>> to
>> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
>> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>>
>> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss 
>> on
>> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
>> remington left handed side be side.
>>
>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
>> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
>> this
>> to me?
>>
>> Best wishes for the festive season,
>>                                                 Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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From page at velocitynet.com.au  Thu Dec 22 02:23:18 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:23:18 +1100
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <018401c606e1$bae13f10$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

"Hear we go again griping on again."  If you would like to read the
guidelines you can do what you like.  Please stop being a bore.

Ron


----- Original Message -----
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "List SEL" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that the
> battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
> You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint
interested
> in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
> I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
> I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:46 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
> > Adam,
> >
> > Thank you for your explanations.  I will admit (at the risk of being
> > flamed by many on this list as it seems to be a great hobby of theirs)
> > that I have not been to Australia and only know what I read here on the
> > list and other various media sources.  Your words have given me a better
> > understanding of your country.
> >
> > However, there still is a basic stigma that your freedoms and ultimately
> > ours, have been and will continue to be drained away by the many who
> > wish to control us and run our lives in the name of "safety" and
> > socialism. The two topics you touch on are ones near and dear to many of
> > us on this list.
> >
> > It is unfortunate that the 8000 you refer to are having an insurance
> > policy and dollars held over your heads forcing you to compromise this
> > great hobby of ours.  Yes, I fully agree with Reg on this front.  I have
> > been very vocal on this topic in the past on this list.  I think that we
> > should encourage hands on participation at our engine shows.  What
> > better way of getting more people interested than letting them touch,
> > feel, and heaven forbid "Start" one of our engines at a show.
> > Personally, I can say that by doing this I have been responsible for
> > getting at least 4 people to go out and find their own engine and begin
> > collecting and restoring old engines by allowing them to get up close
> > and personal with an engine I was showing.  The day that I have to put a
> > fence around my display will be the day I quit going to engine these so
> > called sanctioned shows.  This is my opinion and my freedom of choice to
> > exercise.  And yes, as you state, that is no different in your country.
> > The only difference if I were there is that I would be doing my own
> > shows in my back yard.  My bigger concern is that this; as referred to
> > in the USA (been flamed on this one once before as well), BLEEDING HEART
> > LIBERAL attitude carries over from your fine country to mine.  That my
> > friend I will fight against as long as I am able.  I also feel sorry for
> > the people of Australia knowing that there is a group of individuals
> > there that share the same belief about your "guidelines" that I do and
> > who don't display their engines at your sanctioned shows.  It's not
> > their loss as much as it is your spectators.
> >
> > As for the guns, I am glad to hear that you can still hunt in Australia.
> > That is different than most articles I have read.  I applaud you on your
> > family's expertise and will say your Grandfather sounds like he was a
> > fine Gentleman.
> >
> > I live in the great state of Indiana and I feel it is my right to own as
> > many guns as I can afford.  It is also my right to use them for target
> > practice, hunting, and yes if need be personal protection.  This is
> > another right of mine (and yours) that I know here in the USA, is
> > constantly under attack by those same Liberals (again using the USA
> > definition) that are trying to protect us from living.  Yes, I own
> > rifles, handguns, shotguns, and a couple of Chinese SKS rifles.  The
> > only reason for the SKS is because the politicians threatened to ban
> > them at one time and I felt my rights were being violated.  Besides,
> > they are fun to shoot and can really reach out and do a job on ground
> > hogs and other vermin.  I guess in all actuality, the only good answer
> > to your question would be:
> >
> > Why in the great country of Australia, or the great state of
> > Texas or
> >      Indiana should I own a dirty, filthy, noisy, greasy old hit-miss
> >      Engine? I don't see a difference!
> >
> >
> > Chuck Emsweller
> > Rushville, IN
> > KA9ZOP
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> > Cottrill
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:56 PM
> > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Cc: sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain
> > that it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont
> > have guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
> >
> > Ill explain...
> >
> > The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> > current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> > Machinery Assocition are a member of.
> >
> > Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to
> > run a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> > association thats fine no one will stop you.
> >
> > Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect
> > the insurance policy of the association that is getting close to
> > $100,000 per year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I
> > think its a good wicket.
> >
> >
> > And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since
> > they arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery
> > champion and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed
> > olympic final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting
> > season in 55 years and my family has a swag of state and national clay
> > trap shooters to be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a
> > line of goldern retreivers that are well know for there ability.
> >
> > My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> > on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> > his remington left handed side be side.
> >
> > But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> > own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> > this to me?
> >
> > Best wishes for the festive season,
> >                                                 Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au  Thu Dec 22 03:00:49 2005
From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:30:49 +1030
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <20051222.001504.1336.6.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <000601c606e6$f839f370$5bc08890@chaos>

Buy your right here :)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=41386751

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> >But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?
> =        =        =        =        =        
> Because we, as Americans, have the right to.
> "Need" has nothing to do with it.
> 
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Thu Dec 22 04:18:25 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:18:25 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 16
References: <200512211700.jBLH05p3026150@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <014a01c606f1$cf49e7d0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Message: 23
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:38:56 -0600
From: "F86SABRE" <f86sabre at kcweb.net>
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Message-ID: <000801c60644$a7a63bf0$9701a8c0 at yourus67pi6luv>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre driver.
Dan Bousman

You CAN be ..... 8^)

Fly this and many more .....

Micro$oft Flight simulator 2004 .......

Lovely little one CA27_v1.zip  at www.aussim.com.au ......


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From Germoamer at aol.com  Thu Dec 22 04:25:26 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:25:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
Message-ID: <2a5.2a004c9.30dbf536@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/22/2005 12:15:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ozhornsby at yahoo.com writes:

<< Please mates give it a break  >>


Hi Kerry,

As it has been said: "Cabin fever has set in once again."  

Maybe it is time to change the subject:  MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MY FRIENDS IN 
THE WORLD

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec 22 04:51:23 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:51:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <3088.165.206.180.19.1135255883.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

So how has this now suddenly digressed into guns on the SEL when there is
slick that has some very interesting threads on guns, gun ownership and
laws, etc.

WOW, I was hoping this mess was slowly being dropped - now it's gone to
guns and other things far above the original message/complaint.

Bill

> Hi guys,
>            I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions
> has been removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia
> isnt immune and we all have stories of how people successfully
> sued and won for seemingly stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis,
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                  Adam
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 04:53:10 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:53:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT:  F86Sabre
Message-ID: <002e01c606f6$a9cffee0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


 Rob you wouldn't of got a ride in an F-86. Joe Lynch crashed the only 2
 seater  they built. He rolled too soon on take off at Nellis  AFB
in Las Vegas on a  demonstration  tour in 1954. They did build some
2 seater F-100's . I worked on the  production line of the F-86
 and in Enginenering Flight Test on the F-86, F-100 and F-107
and then as a  Tech Rep on the Sabreliner  business jet. Once I
even conned a Sabreliner operator in  picking up a set of
 Stickney engine trucks in Witchita, Kansas and flying them to me in St.
 Louis, MO . It was while I was on assignment in St. Louis that
my neighbor got me  interested in Hit and Miss engines.

 Charlie Bryant
> Jay, Maine
> (ice quite not thick enough for ice fishing yet)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
>
>
>>> No, just an airplane aficinado, and wish I was a Sabre
>> driver.
>>
>> Hi Dan,
>> I'd settle for a ride or just getting to stand next to one
>> and drool.
>> Rob
>>
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec 22 04:53:48 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:53:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
	<fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <3106.165.206.180.19.1135256028.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

People use CARS and TRUCKS as deadly weapons on a daily basis in the US
and those aren't banned.............

I could stab you to death with a pencil and those aren't banned.

I could use a sling and hit you hard enough with a rock to kill you yet I
can own both rocks and slings.

Bill

>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need
>> to own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please
>> explain this to me?
>
> You don't "need" to own that side by side shotgun, or a bow, or an
> engine, but you want to. There are people who own (having gone through
> intensive government investigation and paid heavy taxation to do so)
> arms like you mention, because they're fascinated with them and play
> with them like we do our old engines. They're not hurting anyone.
> Contrary to some myths, it's been pretty hard to legally own such
> things as fully automatic weapons, short barrelled shotguns or rifles,
> or "destructive devices" such as antitank weapons in the U.S. since
> 1934.
>
> But why should folks who aren't going to misuse them be forbidden from
> having them? The same question applies to all other categories of
> weaponry, including so-called "assault weapons" with semiautomatic
> actions and ugly black plastic stocks.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 08:15:00 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:00 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre
References: <22e.39f2c8e.30dadb95@aol.com>
	<6f6025160512211005q1e63903bv237e7671daa5013e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c60712$dd0780a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

I worked with Bob Hoover at Palmdale and Edwards AFB in California from 1954
to 1957.
 In the  70's I went to 2 Paris Air Shows, 2 Hanover,Germany shows and the
Reno,Nevada Air
Races with him.He is one of the few old test pilots I still know . I don't
know any old Crop
Duster Pilots because like a lot of Test Pilots they  "Went West" before
they got old..
("Went West" meaning they were killed in crashes or have died). After
getting involved
in the engine hobby I managed to co-ordinate a few of my trips with engine
shows and
swap meets in that area (can you imagine going to engine shows and swap
meets on
an airplane expence account).

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(back where I started from)


---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Listerdiesel" <listerdiesel at gmail.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: F86Sabre


> On 12/21/05, FRM8198 at aol.com <FRM8198 at aol.com> wrote:
> > Rob,
> > In the late '50s, I worked for North American Aviation at  Fresno.  Our
main
> > effort was modifying F-86Ds into F-86Ls.  We  also did some work on
F-86Ks.
> > The K models were the hot rod of the F-86  series.
> > Bob Hoover really could put these planes through maneuvers that  many
pilots
> > thought impossible.  I watch him clover leaf one at an air  show.
> >
> > Francis  Maciel
> > Santa Maria, CA
> >
>
> Bob Hoover figures a lot in the Yeager autobiography, it's a very good
> book and well worth reading.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
> Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 08:10:16 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:10:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
Message-ID: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>

Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
wanted too. If it isn?t about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
think these needs to be buried and let?s go onto something new. Sorry, just
ran out of shovels.


McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles






From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 07:47:46 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:47:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
Message-ID: <20051222.111512.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>

What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking
equipment, 
safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
Dan Bousman
=        =        =        =        
Hi Dan,

That was just sarcasm, I'm sure you know.

But - If you got hurt wearing all the "safety" garb - 
I guess the company took all the precautions it could and suing would be
a lot harder.
I'm sure all that garb is required by their "Insurance Company" in order
to keep premiums low.

I'm a bit disappointed as most of the automobile "Junk Yards" don't allow
you to roam any more.
I've always loved doing that.
Now - You tell them what you want and they either have it or they don't.
There is one that I can still go to here in Finleyville and search for
what I want.

As for metal scrap yards - I can't think of any where I could do that.

Arnie mentioned that he knows of one.  I'd like to know where it is.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
\/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
(_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 08:12:33 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:12:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad (Semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221023070.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Adam,

> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the
> current policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical
> Machinery Assocition are a member of.

However, the EFFECT of putting forth those guidelines is to cause Aussie
engine rallys to be gift-wrapped in orange fences (and other types).
Which, I suspect has the subtle effect of conveying to the general public
that this wonderful old iron is inherently VERY dangerous.

> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront
> risk.

However, in the lawsuit-happy US of A, this has not happened nor been
found to be necessary.  EDG&TA functions like your national group and
provides VERY affordable insurance (I think priced similar to yours ~$12
/ year).  And as we all have observed across the world, there has not been
bloody carnage associated with unfenced engine rallys.  That is not to
say that the potential for violence hasn't been there.  I've seen some
women spectators in white outfits get VERY angry when they discovered that
they were now covered in black "Petter spots."  8-)))

> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss
> on the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have
> his remington left handed side be side.

Sounds like you've come from a family with a shooting tradition.  Which
makes your question below simply incomprehensible.  Let me probe your gun
ownership a bit.  You've got granddad's side-by-side double.  OK, what if
granddad had owned a pump shotgun?  Or a semi-auto, like a Remington 1100?
That shotgun is probably the most common on US trap fields.  What about
pistols?  If granddad had owned a lovely German Luger or a broom-handle
Mauser; would you have been allowed to keep either of those beautiful
semi-auto pistols?  How about rifles?  If granddad had been a hunter of
larger or meaner game, would you have been allowed to keep his bolt action
rifle?  Methinks you own about the limit of what your government will
allow.  And if I were to guess, you may be forced eventually to live the
reality of your granddad's hunting advice; and be limited to a single-shot
shotgun.

> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain
> this to me?

Ahhhh, Adam.  How can you, as a member of THIS list, ask a "why" question
about toys that includes the word "need"?  The mind boggles...

Why do I NEED a sideshaft engine?  Why do I NEED a lampstart engine?  Why
do I NEED any engines at all?  Obviously the answer is I don't NEED any of
them, but I bloody well sure as hell do WANT them and enjoy playing with
them.

So it is for full-auto weapons and destructive devices like anti-tank
guns.  I had the very great pleasure of attending one of the events at the
Knob Creek gun range in Kentucky.  http://www.knobcreekrange.com

Knob Creek is the Portland for the guys with Class 3 Federal Firearms
Licenses.  It's where they bring their biggest, baddest, and very best
toys to impress their friends (and us poor drooling spectators) and HAVE
FUN!!  And believe me, these guys HAVE FUN!!!  There is nothing quite like
firing an M2 .50 machine gun at 350 rounds per minute chewing an old car,
or refrigerator, etc. to scrap.  Well, maybe being at the controls of a
quad .50 unit, or a Mini-gun (thousands of rounds per minute), or a
flame-thrower, or ...  The list goes on and on.  As does the shooting.
Nothing dies (except the bloke's bank account), no one is hurt (except any
spectator stupid enough to not wear hearing protection), and every one has
FUN.

The US is fortunate in that responsible citizens can own and play with any
sort of weapon they can afford.  You do need to get a Class 3 FFL (costs
about $3,000 and a LOT of examination into your life).  You also need to
be very wealthy to play with those toys.  My personal dream is to someday
own an M2 .50 machine gun.  The gun would start at ~$30K after I had my
Class 3 license.  Ammo is around $1.00 per round.  So at 350 rounds per
minute, well, do the math...  The guys on the shooting line at Knob Creek
had pallets loaded with CASES of ammo.  Again, do the math.  Shipping the
guns and ammo is also VERY expensive.  For the most part, this is a rich
man's hobby.  We're not talking about some dirt-poor backwoods cracker
with an anti-tank weapon in Texas.

So, bottom line, we're talking wants not needs.  Like our hobby, shooting
is FUN!  I'm sure your parents and grandparents taught you that.  I engage
in mostly informal pistol and rifle shooting these days; mostly with
semi-auto ex-military weapons.  I used to shoot a lot of skeet, but none
of the nearby ranges have skeet ranges.  I enjoy shooting very much.  For
the very same reasons that I enjoy the old engines.  I'm sure the
environmental wackos demonize my hydrocarbon & smoke belching old engines
every bit as much as do the gun banners vilify my weapons.  Fortunatly,
our firearms ownership is protected by the Second Ammendment to our
Constitution.  Our old engines have no such protection.

> Best wishes for the festive season,

And a MERRY CHRISTMAS to you as well!!  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I LOVE threads like this.  It's the only time we get most of the
lurkers to poke their heads up and post something!  Rather than bitch
about a thread that you don't like (as your ONLY contribution to the
content of the list), why not tell us about your engine-related interests,
your collection, etc.  A simple bitch-note (without even snipping the
content that you're bitching about) is less than useless.

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 08:20:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:20:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051222031009.45841.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221113090.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi James,

Explain it to you?  If you're a "reasonably bright fellow" I would guess
that you would pick that up by READING the posts.  Most in the thread have
been well written.

However, I would expect that a "reasonably bright fellow" would also SNIP
the unneeded dreck when he posted what amounts to a bitch note.  Ever hear
of the "snip" concept?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Just in case you're totally missing everything I've said, armadillos
are critters that live in Texas that wear nature-provided body armor.
8-))  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

> I am a reasonably bright fellow, but I honestly don't grasp where this
> is going.  Can anyone explain this thread to me?
>   JM
>
> Roger DiRuscio <solarrog at pacbell.net> wrote:  I guess those armadillos
> are tough creatures
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Cottrill"
> >
> > But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
> > own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this
> > to me?



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 08:29:45 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:29:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS, FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT
	OF TWO NATIONS
In-Reply-To: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221127410.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Lyle,

Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about
your engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Lyle Myles wrote:

> Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
> I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
> wanted too. If it isn?t about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
> fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
> important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> think these needs to be buried and let?s go onto something new. Sorry, just
> ran out of shovels.




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 08:58:51 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:58:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS, FUNNY VESTS AND THE
	GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
In-Reply-To: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Lyle,
         I agree with you 100%! Like you, I think that I am so important 
that others should discuss ONLY what is of interest to ME on the List! I 
just don't know where others get off thinking that they can post something 
of interest/importance to them. They should have more concern about MY 
feelings and MY important time in having to delete what is of no interest 
to ME!
         Dave


At 11:10 AM 12/22/2005, you wrote:
>Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
>old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
>I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
>wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
>fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
>Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
>threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
>important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
>think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry, just
>ran out of shovels.
>
>
>McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
>America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
>chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
>Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec 22 09:01:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:01:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
Message-ID: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>

I agree with Lyle, I think it is time to move on. (and don't get stared about moveon.org)

Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows, unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
> Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
> I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
> wanted too. If it isn?t about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
> fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
> important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> think these needs to be buried and let?s go onto something new. Sorry, just
> ran out of shovels.
> 
> 
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
> 
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 09:34:01 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:34:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
In-Reply-To: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
References: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Tom,

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:

> Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
> unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
> building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
>
> Tom in St. Louis

Too cold is just a state of mind.

I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
as it could have been.

I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.

There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
the winter even in the snow.

Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then Europe,
then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!

So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 10:15:18 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
Message-ID: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I feel your pain Dave. 
Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all will be
well with the world. 
Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at 90? F. 
Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting ready
for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor fired. 
Life is good.
Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
Merry Christmas.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:58:51 -0500 Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
writes:
> Hi Lyle,
>          I agree with you 100%! Like you, I think that I am so 
> important 
> that others should discuss ONLY what is of interest to ME on the 
> List! I 
> just don't know where others get off thinking that they can post 
> something 
> of interest/importance to them. They should have more concern about 
> MY 
> feelings and MY important time in having to delete what is of no 
> interest 
> to ME!
>          Dave


From oldengin at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 10:18:09 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:18:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
References: <000001c606aa$3ccd43d0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
	<014001c606c9$667ba450$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <43AAEDE1.1070809@verizon.net>

R & M Ingold wrote:

> Hi mate. Thanks for the support but, I really am of the opinion that 
> the battle is lost here. The sheep dont want to know!
> You put it very well when you said that the likes of me just aint 
> interested in going to 'shows' where we cannot 'Show'.
> I go to about 4 a year now and the spirit is not there for me any more.
> I am happier in my workshop. At least it is under MY rules.
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>
> If the government can have its way your shop will soon be under their 
> rule also!!!!!



-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From oldengin at verizon.net  Thu Dec 22 10:35:52 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:35:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AAF208.1020903@verizon.net>

Arnie Fero wrote:

>
> LOTS of fun!!
>
>So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>  
>
How about the Delco and a maytag... maybe even a model?

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 10:40:04 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:40:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad/now VERY OT
In-Reply-To: <3106.165.206.180.19.1135256028.squirrel@www.antique-engine s.com>
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
	<fb2a71cc56321cf3816b62eb6d5910e8@chartertn.net>
	<3106.165.206.180.19.1135256028.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222133903.0458ab68@mail.alltel.net>


>I could use a sling and hit you hard enough with a rock to kill you yet I
>can own both rocks and slings.
>
>Bill

Hi Bill, 2008 is almost here. When it arrives Hillary will change all that!
         Dave 



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 11:09:58 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:09:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c6072b$4e7f46b0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 
> states at 900 F. 

Damn Ron!  It's gonna be one HELL of a job repouring the
babbitt in all your engines!  If it gets that warm very
often in Riverside, you'd be better off replacing all your
babbitt bearings with bronze.  

Rob




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 11:11:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:11:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
References: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>

Thank you Ron. Your concern for my pain is appreciated! Yes, Arnie and I 
plan to make the trip left again this year (ie 2006) for the Tulare show! 
It's been too long since we saw some of our friends (and their engines) on 
the left coast! My BIG Christmas present is in the barn. It's a complete 
(and running) Witte drag saw that Arnie found for me on e-bay. I was high 
bidder and went to NJ to pick it up about a month ago. Made it out and back 
while my wife was at a conference, so she does not even know that I bought 
it. I'll bring it up to the house Christmas eve (after she has gone to 
sleep) and put it next to the tree. I intend to have the card read :"TO 
Dave FROM Santa."
         Dave
PS, Wish me LUCK!
PPS, Yes, Life IS Good!
PPPS, And a Merry Christmas to you as well!

>I feel your pain Dave.
>Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all will be
>well with the world.
>Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at 90? F.
>Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting ready
>for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor fired.
>Life is good.
>Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
>Merry Christmas.
>Ron Haskell




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 11:24:21 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:24:21 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221113090.45694@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> armadillos are critters that live in Texas that wear 
> nature-provided body armor. 8-))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo

Listen you tree hugging hippie, nature had noting to do 
with the armadillo's armor.  It was Intelligent Design. 

Rob






From mullt at att.net  Thu Dec 22 11:25:50 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:25:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
Message-ID: <122220051925.6626.43AAFDBD0009BE96000019E221587667209B04049A03@att.net>

Arnie,

I can certainly see why a show at a shopping mall wouldn't be much fun. I don't think the shoppers would be too interested in old engines. (gotta get to the shoe sale at the department store before all the good ones are gone, etc.)

I was thinking more like a heated barn or something like that. There is an indoor horse riding building near me. Something like that would work.

But I guess the cost to rent such a building would make it difficult to have a show that would not bring in much (if any) money.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
> Hi Tom,
> 
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:
> 
> > Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
> > unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
> > building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
> >
> > Tom in St. Louis
> 
> Too cold is just a state of mind.
> 
> I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
> of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
> and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
> as it could have been.
> 
> I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
> Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
> hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.
> 
> There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
> the winter even in the snow.
> 
> Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
> bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then Europe,
> then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
> 
> So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
> Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
> Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 11:36:37 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:36:37 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read my
	post
Message-ID: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>


Lyle DeWitt Myles
P.O. Box 185
507 Courtright Street
McGuffey, OH 45859

12/22/2005 2:14:42 PM

To all list members
Arnie Fero sent me an e-mail and I thought it was good enough to pass on to
the other members of our group. I have only been subscribed to this
membership for about three weeks. I thought it was about old iron, engines
and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I think
I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on airplanes,
mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. I know
there are times one has to blow off steam but with what I have been reading
these last ten days I?m surprised someone has not blown a boiler. When you
get cabin fever I would do what Arnie suggests. Post pictures of your old
iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then go on
to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards. You could
even tell the members your expertise on rebuilding or how you keep your
engine or old iron in show room condition. Let?s get back to basics as to
what this members list is suppose to be about. I?m new to this hobby and
want to learn about old iron and any types of engines, steam is my favorite
and not about mining, funny costumes or what ever. If I have offended any
one I am sorry. That is not my intention to hurt any ones feelings. I joined
to become more educated in a hobby I have started to love and I hope other
members feel the same way I do. Thank to each and every one of you that took
time to read my post.  I have enclosed a copy of Arnie?s e-mail to me for
other to read. Arnie I hope it was alright to post your e-mail with this
post.

Hi Lyle,

Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about your
engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?

See ya, Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles






From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 11:54:06 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:54:06 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
Message-ID: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Really it wasn't that hot yesterday.  Just 90? F.  (that is 90 degrees) I
am typing ? and it shows degrees on my screen, maybe it is getting
changed to 0 somewhere.
Have a Merry Christmas all.

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> I feel your pain Dave. 
> Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all 
> will be
> well with the world. 
> Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at 
> 900 F. 
> Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting 
> ready
> for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor 
> fired. 
> Life is good.
> Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
> Merry Christmas.


From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Dec 22 12:03:39 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:03:39 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4380017.1135216558572.JavaMail.root@web03ps>
Message-ID: <000e01c60732$cd352810$111f7546@mycomputer>

All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a chance against all 
of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it would be easy. 
nuff said.

Tom
Texas
USA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run 
> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the 
> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club 
> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis, 
> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to 
> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on 
> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this 
> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 11:50:18 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:50:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221449090.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>

Ahhhhh, THAT is a brilliant plan!!!  8-))))

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> My BIG Christmas present is in the barn. It's a complete
> (and running) Witte drag saw that Arnie found for me on e-bay. I was high
> bidder and went to NJ to pick it up about a month ago. Made it out and back
> while my wife was at a conference, so she does not even know that I bought
> it. I'll bring it up to the house Christmas eve (after she has gone to
> sleep) and put it next to the tree. I intend to have the card read :"TO
> Dave FROM Santa."
>          Dave
> PS, Wish me LUCK!



From solarrog at pacbell.net  Thu Dec 22 12:17:32 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:17:32 -0800
Subject: [SEL] automatic rifle
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <00b301c60734$bf8a3f00$e7058347@D6R3D961>

Isnt it a type of recipicating engine, I understand there were early engines 
that used coal dust, gun powder and other stuff to make the fire.
Just fanning the flames here
Roger 




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 13:40:06 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:40:06 -0600
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THEGOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Dave , my 2 cents. As you know there are two choices out there. One the SEL
which
from its beginning several years back has always and probably always will
have
a lot of "Off Topic" subjects and there is SMOKSTAK which has very few. I
choose both.
It only takes a fraction of a second to hit the "DELETE"  key and I even do
this
on several engine subjects. I am guilty on the Airplane bit but seeing it
was an Off
Topic subject I thought I had something of interest to add. I for one think
it is great
we have so many collectors from countries all over the world participating.
I
just wish I could meet and visit all of you .

Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine.
The Pine Tree State


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS, FUNNY VESTS AND THEGOVERNMENT
OF TWO NATIONS


> Hi Lyle,
>          I agree with you 100%! Like you, I think that I am so important
> that others should discuss ONLY what is of interest to ME on the List! I
> just don't know where others get off thinking that they can post something
> of interest/importance to them. They should have more concern about MY
> feelings and MY important time in having to delete what is of no interest
> to ME!
>          Dave
>
>
> At 11:10 AM 12/22/2005, you wrote:
> >Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> >old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for
me
> >I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if
we
> >wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have
cabin
> >fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> >Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> >threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are

> >important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> >think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry,
just
> >ran out of shovels.
> >
> >
> >McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> >America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> >chair.
> >  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
> >
> >Lyle DeWitt Myles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From don.h at wcoil.com  Thu Dec 22 13:01:15 2005
From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don.H)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:01:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read
	mypost
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <003801c6073a$d9596590$6400a8c0@number1>

Ah heck Lyle all the boys are so sited bout xmas that they have to get off 
in a tanjet ever once in a while..We all have a lot of hobbies and once in a 
while we got to tell it to some body.. You will find out this is the nicest 
bunch of good ole boys you will ever run in to they find ya old iron,dragg 
it across the states so you can save on freight or even just get it cause it 
stuck in some ones garage out in the boons when a truck wont even go. They 
will give there Idea on how to get a engine running help ya pour new 
bearings,and even drink your beer thats getting old.
So I,m back to another hobby or at lest trying to get a VESPA  running yes 
I,m going to pull a Dave also on xmas eve..
Merry xmas to all stick with us
Don some where in north west ohio also
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read 
mypost


>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
> P.O. Box 185
> 507 Courtright Street
> McGuffey, OH 45859
>
> 12/22/2005 2:14:42 PM
>
> To all list members
> Arnie Fero sent me an e-mail and I thought it was good enough to pass on 
> to
> the other members of our group. I have only been subscribed to this
> membership for about three weeks. I thought it was about old iron, engines
> and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I 
> think
> I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on 
> airplanes,
> mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. I know
> there are times one has to blow off steam but with what I have been 
> reading
> these last ten days I'm surprised someone has not blown a boiler. When you
> get cabin fever I would do what Arnie suggests. Post pictures of your old
> iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then go 
> on
> to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards. You could
> even tell the members your expertise on rebuilding or how you keep your
> engine or old iron in show room condition. Let's get back to basics as to
> what this members list is suppose to be about. I'm new to this hobby and
> want to learn about old iron and any types of engines, steam is my 
> favorite
> and not about mining, funny costumes or what ever. If I have offended any
> one I am sorry. That is not my intention to hurt any ones feelings. I 
> joined
> to become more educated in a hobby I have started to love and I hope other
> members feel the same way I do. Thank to each and every one of you that 
> took
> time to read my post.  I have enclosed a copy of Arnie's e-mail to me for
> other to read. Arnie I hope it was alright to post your e-mail with this
> post.
>
> Hi Lyle,
>
> Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about 
> your
> engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?
>
> See ya, Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
> 




From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 13:31:39 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read
	my post
Message-ID: <20051222.163547.808.1.jlb94@juno.com>

Post pictures of your old
iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then go
on
to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards.
=        =        =        =        =        =        
Very good Lyle,

Stop in at "My Engine Shed"  www.oldengine.org/members/betz and - While
you're at it - 
Go to Oldengine.org and stop at some other's sheds.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Thu Dec 22 13:54:12 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:54:12 -0000
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <000e01c60732$cd352810$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <002101c60742$3ea5ff60$8335c53e@doc>

That's what you think.... :-)


     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales  (somewhere in England)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com 
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of 
> Tom Dunlap
> Sent: 22 December 2005 20:04
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad
> 
> All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a 
> chance against all 
> of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it 
> would be easy. 
> nuff said.
> 
> Tom
> Texas
> USA
> 
> 
> 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 14:08:05 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:08:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc. 
In-Reply-To: <003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net>
	<003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <bd94710824b1dc14b7b80611410861a0@chartertn.net>

Charlie, when I was in elementary school I read the story of the North 
American test pilot who went up for a brief checkout in a developmental 
F-100 in his Sunday suit and ended up having to punch out at supersonic 
speed. He survived, though badly injured. Do you remember that 
incident?

(That thing was powered by a Pratt & Whitney J-57, which is an old 
engine.)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From plb at iinet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 14:26:39 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:26:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <000e01c60732$cd352810$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <4jshog$7q3ral@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>

Well who'd want to take over Texas anyway?
Ray Freeman
Perth WA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 4:04 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad

All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a chance against all 
of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it would be easy. 
nuff said.

Tom
Texas
USA



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Hi guys,
>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system 
> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been 
> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we 
> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly 
> stupid amounts of money and won.
>
> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that 
> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting 
> it.
>
> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that 
> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have 
> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>
> Ill explain...
>
> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current 
> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery 
> Assocition are a member of.
>
> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to run

> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the 
> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>
> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect the

> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per 
> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a 
> good wicket.
>
> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your club

> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it 
> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy 
> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is 
> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy 
> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>
> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing 
> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can 
> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>
> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the 
> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily basis,

> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking 
> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>
> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they 
> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion 
> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic 
> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55 
> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters to

> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern 
> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>
> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss on

> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his 
> remington left handed side be side.
>
> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to 
> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain this

> to me?
>
> Best wishes for the festive season,
>                                                 Adam
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 

_______________________________________________
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 15:15:26 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:15:26 +0800
Subject: [SEL] I started it ....I'll finish it...maybe!
Message-ID: <004e01c6074d$9b4b7e10$a9c231cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Whilst I don't agree with what a lot of you say ....one thing happens in a 
case like this it brings out those whom i have never heard of. As Dave and 
Arnie say does this offend your delicate sensitivities?
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 14:02:56 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:02:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] automatic rifle
In-Reply-To: <00b301c60734$bf8a3f00$e7058347@D6R3D961>
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
	<00b301c60734$bf8a3f00$e7058347@D6R3D961>
Message-ID: <031c06f7066b34067e757358a93492d2@chartertn.net>

I think of all of my firearms as free piston internal combustion 
engines. They just have longer strokes than the others.

John

On Dec 22, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Roger DiRuscio wrote:

> Isnt it a type of recipicating engine, I understand there were early 
> engines that used coal dust, gun powder and other stuff to make the 
> fire.
> Just fanning the flames here
> Roger


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 16:07:41 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:07:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to
	readmypost
In-Reply-To: <003801c6073a$d9596590$6400a8c0@number1>
Message-ID: <000001c60754$e8164a20$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Lyle,

To coin a phrase from a well know TV talk show host here in the USA, "IT
AINT ABOUT YOU!"

Not meant to offend, but, there are a number of posts that go on this
list that I don't care to follow as well.  However, we are all big boys
and should know how to use our delete keys!  So, if it isn't of
interest, delete it, don't whine about it!  Of course, I feel the same
way about TV and Radio programs as well.  If you don't like what's on,
change the channel!

Enough of that, I do welcome you to the list and the hobby!  As others
such as Don has said, it is a pretty good group of people!  But, most of
us are very passionate about our freedoms and beliefs and will defend
them to the utmost.  

As for the New Year's crank up, I am still planning on firing at least
three of my engines.  Probably my Fairbanks 10HP N, my 1 1/2HP Hercules
and hopefully for the first time since I have owned it my 2 1/2HP
Caille.  The Caille has been a 4 year project looking for pieces and
parts to get it put together.  For those of you wondering, it is the
same as a Detroit upright.  

Chuck Emsweller
Rushville, IN 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Don.H
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:01 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to
readmypost

Ah heck Lyle all the boys are so sited bout xmas that they have to get
off 
in a tanjet ever once in a while..We all have a lot of hobbies and once
in a 
while we got to tell it to some body.. You will find out this is the
nicest 
bunch of good ole boys you will ever run in to they find ya old
iron,dragg 
it across the states so you can save on freight or even just get it
cause it 
stuck in some ones garage out in the boons when a truck wont even go.
They 
will give there Idea on how to get a engine running help ya pour new 
bearings,and even drink your beer thats getting old.
So I,m back to another hobby or at lest trying to get a VESPA  running
yes 
I,m going to pull a Dave also on xmas eve..
Merry xmas to all stick with us
Don some where in north west ohio also
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read

mypost


>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
> P.O. Box 185
> 507 Courtright Street
> McGuffey, OH 45859
>
> 12/22/2005 2:14:42 PM
>
> To all list members
> Arnie Fero sent me an e-mail and I thought it was good enough to pass
on 
> to
> the other members of our group. I have only been subscribed to this
> membership for about three weeks. I thought it was about old iron,
engines
> and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I 
> think
> I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on 
> airplanes,
> mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. I
know
> there are times one has to blow off steam but with what I have been 
> reading
> these last ten days I'm surprised someone has not blown a boiler. When
you
> get cabin fever I would do what Arnie suggests. Post pictures of your
old
> iron, engines, gas or steam, how you got started with engines and then
go 
> on
> to explain what you did to bring your old iron up to standards. You
could
> even tell the members your expertise on rebuilding or how you keep
your
> engine or old iron in show room condition. Let's get back to basics as
to
> what this members list is suppose to be about. I'm new to this hobby
and
> want to learn about old iron and any types of engines, steam is my 
> favorite
> and not about mining, funny costumes or what ever. If I have offended
any
> one I am sorry. That is not my intention to hurt any ones feelings. I 
> joined
> to become more educated in a hobby I have started to love and I hope
other
> members feel the same way I do. Thank to each and every one of you
that 
> took
> time to read my post.  I have enclosed a copy of Arnie's e-mail to me
for
> other to read. Arnie I hope it was alright to post your e-mail with
this
> post.
>
> Hi Lyle,
>
> Glad this thread has gotten you to your keyboard.  Wanna tell us about

> your
> engine collection and what brings you to the old iron hobby?
>
> See ya, Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
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> 


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From reb at apex.net  Thu Dec 22 16:09:25 2005
From: reb at apex.net (Dickie)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:09:25 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
References: <122220051925.6626.43AAFDBD0009BE96000019E221587667209B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <006601c60755$22bdda80$0202a8c0@Dads>

I think there is supposed to be one in Murray KY next month in the Expo 
Center, not sure of the date though.

Dick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mullt at att.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows


> Arnie,
>
> I can certainly see why a show at a shopping mall wouldn't be much fun. I 
> don't think the shoppers would be too interested in old engines. (gotta 
> get to the shoe sale at the department store before all the good ones are 
> gone, etc.)
>
> I was thinking more like a heated barn or something like that. There is an 
> indoor horse riding building near me. Something like that would work.
>
> But I guess the cost to rent such a building would make it difficult to 
> have a show that would not bring in much (if any) money.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:
>>
>> > Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
>> > unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
>> > building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
>> >
>> > Tom in St. Louis
>>
>> Too cold is just a state of mind.
>>
>> I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
>> of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
>> and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
>> as it could have been.
>>
>> I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
>> Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
>> hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.
>>
>> There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
>> the winter even in the snow.
>>
>> Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
>> bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then 
>> Europe,
>> then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
>>
>> So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>> Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>> Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From mogul460 at localnet.com  Thu Dec 22 17:44:08 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:44:08 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd><6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net><003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<bd94710824b1dc14b7b80611410861a0@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Yes I was there at the time. It was Frank Smith, a production flight test
pilot .I worked
in Engineering Flight Test which was the experimental testing. . The F-100
was mfg.
in Los Angeles and flown from there to Palmdale for flight testing and
delivery to
the Air Force. The P&W J-57 engine was a good engine. We never had too
many problems with it. Hoover had a flame out at 40,000 feet and dead
sticked
it in rather than bail out. He totaled the airplane on landing and hurt his
back.I believe
 it was him later on was doing flat spin tests and had to bail out.
George "Wheaties" Welch, Chief Engineering Flight Test Pilot, was killed
when his F-100 yawed side ways in dive tests and broke apart.
Welch was one of the few pilots that got off during Pearl Harbor  bombing
and
shot down any Japanese planes. Through mergers North American Aviation
later became Rockwell International which has since been acquired by Boeing.

Hey guys I am just answering an OT question so please don't flame me too
bad.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(from the home state of Prince Stevens who received
"Many Thanks" from C.H. Wendel for contributing
research material for his  book on American Gasoline Engines)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <Sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.


> Charlie, when I was in elementary school I read the story of the North
> American test pilot who went up for a brief checkout in a developmental
> F-100 in his Sunday suit and ended up having to punch out at supersonic
> speed. He survived, though badly injured. Do you remember that
> incident?
>
> (That thing was powered by a Pratt & Whitney J-57, which is an old
> engine.)
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 22 16:49:22 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:49:22 +0800
Subject: [SEL] you have asked for it now Ray!!
Message-ID: <003201c6075a$ba6f8680$a9c231cb@ogborneuah38i3>

What have you done Ray? The wrath of the United States of America will now 
descend on you. It will consist of snake dancers ,Mormons[ and morons] 
televangelists, Moonies,militia, religious fundamentalists,flat 
earthers,intelligent designers,the cast of the Bold and the Beautiful, 
Arnold Schrarzneger [sic] ,the ghost of Charlton Heston, the 
Rajhnashies[sic] ,Scientoligists,Billy Graham,Offrah, Jerry Fawell, 
Pluto,Mickey Mouse, even John Howard and Tony Blair et al.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 22 17:09:04 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:09:04 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Hit Miss Show on PBS Now
Message-ID: <010301c6075d$784ea210$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey gang PBS is showing a great Hit Miss engine show on the Waterloo engines 
right now.

Paul




From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 17:31:57 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:31:57 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: New Years Crank up
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <122220051701.5284.43AADBE4000D8734000014A421603760219B04049A03@att.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221222370.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AB538D.2040604@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

I'll be running the Maytag cause it's all I got. The compression release 
really helps. I can now run it with a 1/4 horse electric motor.

Jeff

P.S. E-bay has returned to sanity. The insane pre Christmas bidding is 
over.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Arnie Fero wrote:

>So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>
>  
>



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 17:38:18 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:38:18 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps
Message-ID: <20051222.173818.276.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Gary.  I tried to reply to your post, but your address bounced? 
sdflk at fidnet.com

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 22 18:17:19 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:17:19 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read
	my	post
In-Reply-To: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c6072f$0720df50$c5e3fc04@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43AB5E2F.4060004@earthlink.net>

Hi Lyle,

I've been here for a few years and it does get crazy now and then. Beats 
the hell out of "test" in the subject line cause there is no traffic. 
Lots of knowledge here when you need it and a great bunch willing to 
share it. I seldom use the delete key, but it is available to you. There 
is a lot of OT here, and I left once because of it. I came back because 
it's a great list. Hope you stick around and get to know us.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Lyle Myles wrote in part:

>I thought it was about old iron, engines
>and members sharing information, pictures, and where to find parts. I think
>I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on airplanes,
>mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under. 
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 18:07:34 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:07:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.
In-Reply-To: <000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd><6.1.2.0.0.20051222115255.0443c660@mail.alltel.net><003901c60740$4728dec0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<bd94710824b1dc14b7b80611410861a0@chartertn.net>
	<000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <056d884671eb39962f8464d176fb7a05@chartertn.net>

Thanks, Charlie!

Some people may fuss about being "off topic," but I think it's awesome 
to be able to talk to someone that was THERE when fascinating things 
like that were happening! I've read about guys like Chuck Yeager, Bob 
Hoover, and George Welch for most of my life. Never talked to anybody 
that knew 'em before. And some of y'all might want to find out a bit 
more about that story about Frank Smith (thanks, Charlie!) punching out 
at over Mach 1. It was the first time anybody did that and lived to 
talk about it, and it was a pretty close thing for him.

I run into people with terrific experience in various fields on boards 
where we're supposed to be talking about guitars, or Hammond organs, 
blues music, or collecting old vacuum tubes. It's amazing what you can 
learn when everybody doesn't stay on topic all the time.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Thu Dec 22 18:47:18 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:47:18 -0600
Subject: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??
References: <20051222.111512.700.1.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <004801c6076b$32e56f70$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

As far as being able to roam the scrapyard, a veritable treasure trove for 
the home shop machinist is The Yard Store in Wichita, Kansas.  It gets 
salvage from all the aircraft manufacturers, and you can prowl to your 
hearts content.  Address 725 Central.  Usual disclaimers.  Just a satisfied 
customer.
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jlb94 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] health and safety gone mad/cabin fever??


> What about this.  If you put on all the requisite funny looking
> equipment,
> safety glasses, and ill fitting hard hat, and STILL got hurt, then what?
> Dan Bousman
> =        =        =        =
> Hi Dan,
>
> That was just sarcasm, I'm sure you know.
>
> But - If you got hurt wearing all the "safety" garb -
> I guess the company took all the precautions it could and suing would be
> a lot harder.
> I'm sure all that garb is required by their "Insurance Company" in order
> to keep premiums low.
>
> I'm a bit disappointed as most of the automobile "Junk Yards" don't allow
> you to roam any more.
> I've always loved doing that.
> Now - You tell them what you want and they either have it or they don't.
> There is one that I can still go to here in Finleyville and search for
> what I want.
>
> As for metal scrap yards - I can't think of any where I could do that.
>
> Arnie mentioned that he knows of one.  I'd like to know where it is.
>
> Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
> jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 22 19:41:11 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:41:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221449090.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051222.101518.416.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051222135457.0450beb0@mail.alltel.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512221449090.47910@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051222223941.045a0540@mail.alltel.net>

If it works I intend to write a book on the subject--it will be an even 
BIGGER seller that the bible among engine collectors!
         Dave

At 02:50 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote:
>Ahhhhh, THAT is a brilliant plan!!!  8-))))
>
>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>
> > My BIG Christmas present is in the barn. It's a complete
> > (and running) Witte drag saw that Arnie found for me on e-bay. I was high
> > bidder and went to NJ to pick it up about a month ago. Made it out and back
> > while my wife was at a conference, so she does not even know that I bought
> > it. I'll bring it up to the house Christmas eve (after she has gone to
> > sleep) and put it next to the tree. I intend to have the card read :"TO
> > Dave FROM Santa."
> >          Dave
> > PS, Wish me LUCK!



From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 20:11:19 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:11:19 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Sabre Jets, etc.
In-Reply-To: <000801c60762$5eeb34a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <009501c60776$eee554a0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Hey guys I am just answering an OT question so please
don't 
> flame me too bad.

Hey Charlie,
Any engineman worth his salt also loves old aircraft.  

Rob




From christison at coastalnet.com  Thu Dec 22 20:26:49 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:26:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
Message-ID: <410-220051252342649125@coastalnet.com>

If it doesn't work then the real Bible might play a central
part in the service to follow.

         Ken




> [Original Message]
> From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
> To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/22/2005 11:24:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Was;@#%, now help for Dave
>
> If it works I intend to write a book on the subject--it will be an even 
> BIGGER seller that the bible among engine collectors!
>          Dave





From garyepps at fidnet.com  Thu Dec 22 20:46:23 2005
From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:46:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps
References: <20051222.173818.276.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <00da01c6077b$d7997c90$6883fb40@gary>

Hi Ron,
I tried to reply twice on list.  Popup window said mail successfully sent,
but it is not in my sent mail box.  Did you receive either or both?

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhaskell at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps


> Gary.  I tried to reply to your post, but your address bounced?
> sdflk at fidnet.com
>
> Ron Haskell
> rdhaskell at juno.com
> Riverside, California
> USA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 20:46:34 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:46:34 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright
In-Reply-To: <000001c60754$e8164a20$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
References: <000001c60754$e8164a20$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <1135313194.43ab812a4665a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Chuck,

I'm really interested in the Caille.  Any chance of pictures?  There's some
really interesting history out there in terms of the development of this
two-stroke engine.  Caille, Middleditch, Detroit, and Bessemer are all fully
involved.  Do you have any history or background info on the engine?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net>:

> As for the New Year's crank up, I am still planning on firing at least
> three of my engines.  Probably my Fairbanks 10HP N, my 1 1/2HP Hercules
> and hopefully for the first time since I have owned it my 2 1/2HP
> Caille.  The Caille has been a 4 year project looking for pieces and
> parts to get it put together.  For those of you wondering, it is the
> same as a Detroit upright.  
> 
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 22 20:57:51 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:57:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>

HAH, you Latte swilling pacifist!!  If it was truly Intelligent Design, weapons
would have been included in addition to the body armor!  8-))

Arnie

Quoting Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com>:

> > armadillos are critters that live in Texas that wear 
> > nature-provided body armor. 8-))
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo
> 
> Listen you tree hugging hippie, nature had noting to do 
> with the armadillo's armor.  It was Intelligent Design. 




From ignitors at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 22 21:21:53 2005
From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:21:53 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <003b01c60780$c9c643a0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>

So, did the Armadillo have to go to this intelligent place for a fitting or 
did they just Fed-X to him.

Ted 




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 22 21:31:46 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:31:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <005201c6072d$50b2dda0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
	<1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <0ad73b84384f8599c2de189433a96402@chartertn.net>

Remember the cover illustration on Emerson, Lake & Palmer's "Tarkus" 
album? Armadillo as WWI tank!

John

On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:57 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> HAH, you Latte swilling pacifist!!  If it was truly Intelligent 
> Design, weapons
> would have been included in addition to the body armor!  8-))
>
> Arnie

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rdhaskell at juno.com  Thu Dec 22 22:13:50 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:13:50 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Gary Epps
Message-ID: <20051222.221351.276.4.rdhaskell@juno.com>

I got both Gary

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:46:23 -0600 "Gary Epps" <garyepps at fidnet.com>
writes:
> Hi Ron,
> I tried to reply twice on list.  Popup window said mail successfully 
> sent,
> but it is not in my sent mail box.  Did you receive either or both?


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 22 22:17:09 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:17:09 -0800
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <1135313871.43ab83cf672e2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01c60788$8361cfd0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> > > armadillos are critters that live in Texas that wear 
> > > nature-provided body armor. 8-))
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo


> > Listen you tree hugging hippie, nature had nothing to do

> > with the armadillo's armor.  It was Intelligent Design. 


> HAH, you Latte swilling pacifist!!  If it was truly 
> Intelligent Design, weapons
> would have been included in addition to the body armor!
8-))
> 
> Arnie

Clearly you've never seen the Texan Tactical Armadillo
System.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/Texan_Tactical_Armadillo_System.jp
g





From svsuzanne at copper.net  Fri Dec 23 02:17:43 2005
From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:17:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <004a01c607aa$1e8a1b40$b778e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>

If you don't have a shovel just use the delete button.  It's easier on your 
back too.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF 
TWO NATIONS



Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for me
I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if we
wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have cabin
fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry, just
ran out of shovels.


McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles




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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 02:51:19 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:51:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
In-Reply-To: <003b01c60780$c9c643a0$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo>
Message-ID: <001401c607ae$d1ca2e30$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Must have went to the intelligent place.  If it was delivered Fed-X,
they would still be waiting on it!  


-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Brookover
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:22 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad

So, did the Armadillo have to go to this intelligent place for a fitting
or 
did they just Fed-X to him.

Ted 


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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 23 02:46:39 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:46:39 +0800
Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,
	FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT OF TWO NATIONS
References: <000101c60712$330eede0$1bb85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<004a01c607aa$1e8a1b40$b778e93f@your6wz9c9s4x1>
Message-ID: <000901c607ae$2b5a4d00$478ba33a@ogborneuah38i3>

Just pull your head in Lyle !If you don't like it go and have a lie down.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <svsuzanne at copper.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT 
OF TWO NATIONS


> If you don't have a shovel just use the delete button.  It's easier on 
> your back too.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:10 AM
> Subject: [SEL] GUNS, AIRPLANES, HARD HATS,FUNNY VESTS AND THE GOVERNMENT 
> OF TWO NATIONS
>
>
>
> Guys, where are we going with all these threads that keep saying the same
> old thing, and has bored just about every one on the members list and for 
> me
> I love to here people talk and talk about things we cannot change even if 
> we
> wanted too. If it isn't about guns it is about hard hats. Say you have 
> cabin
> fever well winter just got here and what are you going to do in February.
> Well I have a lot of shovels for sale if any one wants one to bury these
> threads that seem to go on and on and say nothing of importance. Guns are
> important, hard hats and funny vests to some are important but for me I
> think these needs to be buried and let's go onto something new. Sorry, 
> just
> ran out of shovels.
>
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>
>
>
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From clemsweller at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 03:03:30 2005
From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:03:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright
In-Reply-To: <1135313194.43ab812a4665a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <000001c607b0$88c24770$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>

Hey Arnie,

I will see about getting some recent pictures up.  I have tried to get
some history on this particular engine, but have not been very
successful.  I obtained it 4 years ago from a good friend that we have
shown engines with for the past 25 years.  He had a stroke about 10
years ago and decided it was time to auction off most of his collection.
He can't talk or write anymore so I wasn't able to get much about where
we found it.  We do see that he gets to 6-8 shows each year with us!  

When I obtained the engine, it was missing the fuel injector nozzle.  I
had just about given up on finding an original part and was prepared to
have one manufactured when by luck and my Dad's persistence, one was
found at Portland.  

>From my research, I have found that Caille, Sundow, Detroit and Bessemer
all had the same basic engine, but that's about as far as I have been
able to discover.  There was an article in the November 1999 "The Old
Machinery Magazine" by Fred Little about the restoration of a 1911 4hp
Caille.  Mine looks pretty much like that one.  But I believe it to be a
size smaller.

I will see about posting some pictures here in the next few days.  If
you have any more history on these little engines, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright

Hi Chuck,

I'm really interested in the Caille.  Any chance of pictures?  There's
some
really interesting history out there in terms of the development of this
two-stroke engine.  Caille, Middleditch, Detroit, and Bessemer are all
fully
involved.  Do you have any history or background info on the engine?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net>:

> As for the New Year's crank up, I am still planning on firing at least
> three of my engines.  Probably my Fairbanks 10HP N, my 1 1/2HP
Hercules
> and hopefully for the first time since I have owned it my 2 1/2HP
> Caille.  The Caille has been a 4 year project looking for pieces and
> parts to get it put together.  For those of you wondering, it is the
> same as a Detroit upright.  
> 
> Chuck Emsweller
> Rushville, IN 

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From russell at ncable.com.au  Fri Dec 23 04:35:34 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:35:34 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>

G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!

Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
Russell

At 11:54 AM 22/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>Really it wasn't that hot yesterday.  Just 90? F.  (that is 90 degrees) I
>am typing ? and it shows degrees on my screen, maybe it is getting
>changed to 0 somewhere.
>Have a Merry Christmas all.
>
>Ron Haskell
>rdhaskell at juno.com
>Riverside, California
>USA
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>
>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
> > I feel your pain Dave.
> > Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all
> > will be
> > well with the world.
> > Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at
> > 900 F.
> > Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting
> > ready
> > for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor
> > fired.
> > Life is good.
> > Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
> > Merry Christmas.
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 07:13:13 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:13:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] TWO NATIONS, FUNNY HATS ECT...
Message-ID: <000001c607d3$6519c780$b5b85904@lyle0592c054dd>


You know you are correct about the delete key. My problem is that I have
worn down my delete key finger from punching it so much. About my shovels,
well I did have those for sale but I never use one so I do not have to worry
about my back. I have a ?Track Hoe? for my heavy work and it is nice to hear
about new things and it is nice to hear from folks from other countries.
Some time you win some times you lose. When I get a new load of shovels I?ll
let the members know. HA! HA! Or HO! HO! HO!

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From mullt at att.net  Fri Dec 23 07:56:18 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:56:18 +0000
Subject: [SEL] TWO NATIONS, FUNNY HATS ECT...
Message-ID: <122320051556.18536.43AC1E21000B83450000486821602806519B04049A03@att.net>

Lyle,

You are lucky your cats are on the floor under your chair. Our cat (the Meister) loves to warm his butt on top of my computer monitor. He is staring at me half asleep as I write this email.

Tom in St. Louis

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
> 
> You know you are correct about the delete key. My problem is that I have
> worn down my delete key finger from punching it so much. About my shovels,
> well I did have those for sale but I never use one so I do not have to worry
> about my back. I have a ?Track Hoe? for my heavy work and it is nice to hear
> about new things and it is nice to hear from folks from other countries.
> Some time you win some times you lose. When I get a new load of shovels I?ll
> let the members know. HA! HA! Or HO! HO! HO!
> 
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
>  . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
> 
> Lyle DeWitt Myles    lyle45859 at earthlink.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 23 09:52:16 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:52:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] TWO NATIONS, FUNNY HATS ECT...
In-Reply-To: <122320051556.18536.43AC1E21000B83450000486821602806519B04049A03@att.n
	et>
References: <122320051556.18536.43AC1E21000B83450000486821602806519B04049A03@att.net>
Message-ID: <4141.165.206.180.19.1135360336.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

Mine like to send messages - they press the enter key or step on the mouse
button at the worst times.
Shadow has been known to press the DEL key.
He must've read Dave's message.

They have no interest in engines, however.

Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Hanukkah, have a great "I don't do holidays" or
whatever this weekend means to YOU.

Here's what I post in the other forums I'm on:

 To those who believe, Merry Christmas

To those who are Jewish, happy Hanukkah

To those who follow another, know that when we wish you "Merry Christmas",
we are simply wishing for you to experience the same joy in your hearts
that we feel in ours this time of year - that you may also know happiness
and good feelings, regardless of your beliefs. We do not wish to offend,
to push a religion on you, but merely wish to spread good feelings and
cheer, and wish for you to share in our happiness. There is no mal-intent,
so please, accept our "Merry Christmas" (or 'Happy Holidays') in the
manner in which it's intended - please also feel happy and good during our
time of celebration, share in our joys.

Bill
Runnells, Iowa

> Lyle,
>
> You are lucky your cats are on the floor under your chair. Our cat (the
> Meister) loves to warm his butt on top of my computer monitor. He is
> staring at me half asleep as I write this email.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
>>
>> You know you are correct about the delete key. My problem is that I have
>> worn down my delete key finger from punching it so much. About my
>> shovels,
>> well I did have those for sale but I never use one so I do not have to
>


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Dec 23 11:05:43 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:05:43 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read my
 post
In-Reply-To: <200512231700.jBNH059T017465@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <200512232107515.SM01688@new.databak.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 23/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 11
>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:36:37 -0500
>From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
>Subject:Thank to each and every one of you that took time to read my post
>
>Lyle DeWitt Myles
>
>To all list members
>I have only been subscribed to this membership for about three weeks. I 
>thought it was about old iron, engines and members sharing information, 
>pictures, and where to find parts. I think
>I have only seen a few articles on engines and a lot of things on airplanes,
>mining, gun control, and laws for the United States and Down Under.

<snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>


>Hi Lyle,
         Welcome to one of the best lists around (I'm also new in that I've 
only been here for 2 years).
You have just been unlucky to have joined when there has been a lot of "Off 
Topic" stuff around. Hang in there - "Cabin Fever" does not last forever (I 
think).
         This list is a worldwide circle of friends involved in the old 
engine hobby (sometimes correctly described as "old engine insanity") and 
you will make plenty of new friends, read lots of stuff about engines and 
get all the help and information you need from these people.
         Many of these members have websites full of information and 
pictures and you can get to most of them by going to
<www.oldengine.org/members>
and following the links from there. Other members have websites elsewhere 
and you will pick these up as you go along.
         Hang in there - any day now someone will actually post something 
about engines :-)


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Dec 23 10:48:24 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:48:24 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows/New Years crank up & Cabin Fever
In-Reply-To: <200512231700.jBNH059T017465@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051223202215.00b047c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 23/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>
>Hi Tom,
><snip>
>Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
>bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then Europe,
>then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
>See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie,
         I'm disappointed that we are evidently excluded from the New Years 
"crank up".
Is this because we used to have "apartheid" or is there a more sinister 
reason?
         Africa is that big piece of green (or is it black?) land between 
Australia and the Americas if you are travelling with the sun. You must 
remember it - it's the place where those heavy boomerangs were first 
invented !!
         Just for spite I think I'm going to go out and find myself a 
Maytag and run that - then when the smoke reaches you I hope it makes your 
beer taste funny.
         (For those of you suffering from Cabin Fever I'm writing this with 
a big grin on my face.)

         On the subject of "Cabin Fever" - what is it ? I first thought 
that it was something caused by being cooped up indoors because of the snow 
(snowbound) that caused normally sane and civil people to get "cranky" and 
write nasty eMails to lists but now realise that I must be wrong because I 
see from the List that some of the Aussies also seem to have it and there 
is definitely no snow down there at the moment. (another grin).

Best wishes to all of you over the season of goodwill (even those with 
"Cabin Fever")

Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From solarrog at pacbell.net  Fri Dec 23 11:29:37 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (ROGER DIRUSCIO)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright
In-Reply-To: <000001c607b0$88c24770$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q>
Message-ID: <20051223192937.60760.qmail@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is the link to some caille engines
  
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=31672891&f=
   
  here is a link to a Sandow
  http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1659491&a=32006548&f=0
   
  I hope its of some help
  
chuck emsweller <clemsweller at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Hey Arnie,

I will see about getting some recent pictures up. I have tried to get
some history on this particular engine, but have not been very
successful. I obtained it 4 years ago from a good friend that we have
shown engines with for the past 25 years. He had a stroke about 10
years ago and decided it was time to auction off most of his collection.
He can't talk or write anymore so I wasn't able to get much about where
we found it. We do see that he gets to 6-8 shows each year with us! 

When I obtained the engine, it was missing the fuel injector nozzle. I
had just about given up on finding an original part and was prepared to
have one manufactured when by luck and my Dad's persistence, one was
found at Portland. 

>From my research, I have found that Caille, Sundow, Detroit and Bessemer
all had the same basic engine, but that's about as far as I have been
able to discover. There was an article in the November 1999 "The Old
Machinery Magazine" by Fred Little about the restoration of a 1911 4hp
Caille. Mine looks pretty much like that one. But I believe it to be a
size smaller.

I will see about posting some pictures here in the next few days. If
you have any more history on these little engines, I'd love to hear it.

Thanks!

Chuck Emsweller

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
fero_ah at city-net.com
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:47 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] RE: Caille Upright

Hi Chuck,

I'm really interested in the Caille. Any chance of pictures? There's
some
really interesting history out there in terms of the development of this
two-stroke engine. Caille, Middleditch, Detroit, and Bessemer are all
fully
involved. Do you have any history or background info on the engine?

See ya, Arnie





Roger DiRuscio, Real Estate Broker. GRI. Sales since 1977
The Realty Experts 510-226-2444  Fremont, California 94539
Antique Marine engine and motorscooter enthusiast 
510-226-9785 direct, Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly
Private pilot since 1981. Industrial engine mechanic since 1967
Fremont  fire department CERT volunteer member
Web site:   scrapologist.com

From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 23 12:50:50 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:50:50 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows/New Years crank up & Cabin Fever
References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051223202215.00b047c0@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <01ad01c60802$906ce410$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Heat stroke??
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

>
>         On the subject of "Cabin Fever" - what is it ? I first thought 
> that it was something caused by being cooped up indoors because of the 
> snow (snowbound) that caused normally sane and civil people to get 
> "cranky" and write nasty eMails to lists but now realise that I must be 
> wrong because I see from the List that some of the Aussies also seem to 
> have it and there is definitely no snow down there at the moment. (another 
> grin).




From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 13:26:11 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:26:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
Message-ID: <43AC6B73.5050108@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could have 
been selling them. Anything look familiar??

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Fri Dec 23 13:42:37 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 13:42:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC6B73.5050108@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>

Jeff

Does this photo look like this one?

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491

Tell me what you think...I am check on his other pics as I think I know
who was behind the camera.

Steve



--- Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could have
been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> 
> Jeff
> 



From Germoamer at aol.com  Fri Dec 23 13:49:04 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:49:04 EST
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows/New Years crank up & Cabin Fever
Message-ID: <68.63c3213e.30ddcad0@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/23/2005 2:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

<<  I must be wrong because I 
 see from the List that some of the Aussies also seem to have it >>


No, Jerry, you are right about cabin fever.  The Aussies just like to stir 
the pot when it sets in for the winter in USA!  It has a boomerang effect, they 
sling it over here and of course the "feverists" have got to sling it back to 
keep things moving on an even keel!

Me- I do not get it too bad as I rabbit hunt 2/3 times a week during the 
winter and that keeps me from getting too high a fever!  Also recently picked up a 
new/used 4-wheeler so I have another play toy.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From bee_keeper at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 14:47:10 2005
From: bee_keeper at earthlink.net (Lew Best)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:47:10 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>

Maybe not; no bids so far!  :)  :)

Lew


<<snip>>
> Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_
W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could
have
been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> 
<<snip>> 

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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 15:25:10 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:25:10 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>

Hi Lew,

If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us sell 
on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web 
sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time 
will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few 
of the pics looked real familiar to me.

Jeff

P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Lew Best wrote:

>Maybe not; no bids so far!  :)  :)
>
>Lew
>
>
><<snip>>
>  
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 15:27:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:27:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
Message-ID: <20051223232709.14775.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Why not sell a "picture of the picture" for 50%  discount.  It was like the guy who had a problem with mice and  bought mouse traps.  However, being a cheapskate, instead of  actual cheese, he put a picture of cheese into the trap.  The next  day he checked and found that he had caught a picture of a mouse.
  
  Merry Christmas to those of you that can tolerate such a  sentiment.  To those of you who can't or won't...Merry Christmas  anyway!
  
  JM

Lew Best <bee_keeper at earthlink.net> wrote:  Maybe not; no bids so far!  :)  :)

Lew


<>
> Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_
W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could
have
been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> 
<> 

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 15:40:41 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:40:41 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/23/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Lew,
>
> If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us sell
> on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web
> sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time
> will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few
> of the pics looked real familiar to me.
>
> Jeff

I have asked him if the picture is his own and if he could confirm
that by return.

If he says yes, how are you going to prove otherwise??

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 15:49:40 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:49:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051223234940.82597.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'Day Jeff

Bring him down, will not take long as its all down
hill 8-))

> 
> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the
> Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to
> show him a world map.

Kerry 

Lithgow NSW Oz




	
		
__________________________________ 
Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. 
http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 23 16:18:04 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:18:04 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <014c01c6081f$8335fe40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


>If he is stealing them off of web sites, that's a whole
nuther animal, 
>and he needs to be stopped. 


Hi Jeff,
Besides Steve's picture, it appears that he's selling the
exact images found on Keith Kinney's web page.  At the risk
of jumping to conclusions, I'm going to go out on a limb and
say that seller has a bit of explaining to do.  In other
words, c-r-o-o-k.  

Rob

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 





From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 23 16:19:01 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:19:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:35 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
>G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
>
>Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
>Russell

Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today!
         Dave
PS, Talk about being STUCK ON STUPID!      



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 16:27:49 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:27:49 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
	<6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43AC9605.4040507@earthlink.net>

Great minds think alike Peter. I also inquired about one of the 
pictures. I think if we can identify who took the pictures, and the 
sites they were stolen from, if that is the case, E-bay would take a 
look at it. I welcome all list members to download the manuals and 
pictures I put online for their own use. When one thinks of selling for 
profit, I get a real bad attitude.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Listerdiesel wrote:

>On 12/23/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi Lew,
>>
>>If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us sell
>>on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web
>>sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time
>>will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few
>>of the pics looked real familiar to me.
>>
>>Jeff
>>    
>>
>
>I have asked him if the picture is his own and if he could confirm
>that by return.
>
>If he says yes, how are you going to prove otherwise??
>
>Peter
>--
>
>  
>



From driggars at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 17:14:42 2005
From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:14:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AC9605.4040507@earthlink.net>
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>	<6f6025160512231540k6008612cie10dd0b39235a00b@mail.gmail.com>
	<43AC9605.4040507@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43ACA102.2010209@earthlink.net>

Humm, I wonder if he visited some shows, took pix then printed them out?

could be???

Clint



Jeff Allen wrote:

> Great minds think alike Peter. I also inquired about one of the 
> pictures. I think if we can identify who took the pictures, and the 
> sites they were stolen from, if that is the case, E-bay would take a 
> look at it. I welcome all list members to download the manuals and 
> pictures I put online for their own use. When one thinks of selling 
> for profit, I get a real bad attitude.
>
> Jeff
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>
>
> Listerdiesel wrote:
>
>> On 12/23/05, Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Lew,
>>>
>>> If he took the pictures and owns them more power to him. Many of us 
>>> sell
>>> on e-bay to help pay for our toys. If he is stealing them off of web
>>> sites, that's a whole nuther animal, and he needs to be stopped. Time
>>> will tell. I guess it pays to look at the pics folks post, cause a few
>>> of the pics looked real familiar to me.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I have asked him if the picture is his own and if he could confirm
>> that by return.
>>
>> If he says yes, how are you going to prove otherwise??
>>
>> Peter
>> -- 
>>
>>  
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 23 17:57:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:57:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135389426.43acaaf21a4d4@webmail.city-net.com>

Steve (and others who have been ripped off),

I think you should contact the seller and express your anger directly and
clearly.  I would ask him to withdraw the material from eBay immediately.

If he doesn't, ABSOLUTELY report him to eBay!!

I also really like the idea of contacting the bidders and pointing out where
they can find the photo at no cost for their personal use.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Steve Barr <stevebarr at ameritech.net>:

> Does this photo look like this one?
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491
> 
> Tell me what you think...I am check on his other pics as I think I know
> who was behind the camera.



From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 23 18:09:12 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:09:12 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!! Now invite!
In-Reply-To: <20051223234940.82597.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051223234940.82597.qmail@web35401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43ACADC8.9010009@earthlink.net>

LOL Kerry,

The wife asked if we would be welcome if we showed up. I said yes. Now 
with a belly full of beer I will offer a purloined, paraphrased, amended 
greeting.

Lady of the evening, Lady of the evening, Lady of the evening, Happy non 
denominational winter greetings to all and to all a good night.

When pigs fly cause reindeer are already over OZ.

HO HO HO and a Merry Christmas to all.

Jeff




Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Kerry Morris wrote:

>G'Day Jeff
>
>Bring him down, will not take long as its all down
>hill 8-))
>
>  
>
>>P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the
>>Christmas presents and drive 
>>to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to
>>show him a world map.
>>    
>>
>
>Kerry 
>
>Lithgow NSW Oz
>
>
>
>
>	
>		
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>http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/
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>  
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Fri Dec 23 18:25:07 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:25:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <20051223214237.67900.qmail@web80612.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00b201c60831$425abb60$3d5c14d0@net.telenet.net>

Perfect match. Looks like a crook to me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Barr" <stevebarr at ameritech.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Jeff
>
> Does this photo look like this one?
>
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491
>
> Tell me what you think...I am check on his other pics as I think I
know
> who was behind the camera.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Check this out on e-bay, and check his other items.
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/WATERLOO-BOY-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574747014QQcategoryZ63945QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > All this time we've been putting them online for free when we could
have
> been selling them. Anything look familiar??
> >
> > Jeff
> >
>
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>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Fri Dec 23 18:29:02 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:29:02 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Interesting that after a temp of 36C yesterday it has only reached about 24C
today and we are expecting a fairly cool Christmas Day.  Have our son home
at the moment from Darwin.  He has just served 6 months in Iraq and they had
temperatures up to 63C in the summertime.

Anyway may I wish all list members a very merry Christmas and prosperous New
Year.  May all lost iron find new homes.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hotter than?


> At 07:35 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
> >G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
> >
> >Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
> >Russell
>
> Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to
> tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today!
>          Dave
> PS, Talk about being STUCK ON STUPID!
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Fri Dec 23 20:03:37 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:03:37 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <037d01c6083f$0609b860$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

I dont think he would enjoy it! 105 and blowing hard. BAD firwe weather!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
> 
> Jeff Allen




From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Dec 23 15:24:15 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:24:15 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than? OT
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <003201c60817$fe305c10$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hey Russ they breed us tough ( me being a Mallee Boy ) good drinking 
weather. Cam
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Russell Gilbert" <russell at ncable.com.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hotter than?


> G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
>
> Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
> Russell
>
> At 11:54 AM 22/12/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>>Really it wasn't that hot yesterday.  Just 90? F.  (that is 90 degrees) I
>>am typing ? and it shows degrees on my screen, maybe it is getting
>>changed to 0 somewhere.
>>Have a Merry Christmas all.
>>
>>Ron Haskell
>>rdhaskell at juno.com
>>Riverside, California
>>USA
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0
>>
>>On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:15:18 -0800 rdhaskell at juno.com writes:
>> > I feel your pain Dave.
>> > Just a few more days until Santa brings you your new toys and all
>> > will be
>> > well with the world.
>> > Yesterday Riverside CA. was the warmest place in the 48 states at
>> > 900 F.
>> > Spent a few hours on the Witte Dieselectric cleaning parts getting
>> > ready
>> > for paint.  Also on the 7hp Economy putting it back to ignitor
>> > fired.
>> > Life is good.
>> > Hope to see you and Arnie at Tulare again this year.
>> > Merry Christmas.
>>_______________________________________________
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>
> Russell Gilbert
> Sunny Sunraysia
> russell at ncable.com.au
> http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics
>
>
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From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Dec 23 15:38:41 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:38:41 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Greetings
Message-ID: <004d01c6081a$025d7910$0301a8c0@Cam>

Best Wishes to all for Xmas and New Year, enjoy.
Cam and Edwina Grundy
    Kariong
      Gosford 2250
        Australia
ponchie at ozemail.com.au


From ponchie at ozemail.com.au  Fri Dec 23 15:43:26 2005
From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:43:26 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW>
	<43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005201c6081a$abbc3cd0$0301a8c0@Cam>

Hi Jeff bring him over, pretty warm at the moment though but still enough 
water to swim in. Cheers Cam
----- Original Message ----- 

Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!



> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
>
> Jeff Allen
> Arvada, Colorado, USA
> transteck at earthlink.net
> http://frapa.us/
> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/
>
>

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From old_iron at msn.com  Fri Dec 23 21:34:17 2005
From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:34:17 -0600
Subject: [SEL]  New Years Crank up
Message-ID: <BAY113-F37956289E2ACC0F79321D4E7320@phx.gbl>

Bill has determined he wants to be noisey this year so he shoveled out the 4 
hp United today so he can be ready for next Saturday night.

Happy Hoildays!!

Peg Pfeiffer


>From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
>Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:31:57 -0700
>
>Hi Arnie,
>
>I'll be running the Maytag cause it's all I got. The compression release 
>really helps. I can now run it with a 1/4 horse electric motor.
>
>Jeff
>
>P.S. E-bay has returned to sanity. The insane pre Christmas bidding is 
>over.
>
>Jeff Allen
>Arvada, Colorado, USA
>
>Arnie Fero wrote:
>
>>So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>>Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>>Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie




From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Dec 24 04:25:08 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:25:08 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
References: <4jsmng$7g7j6o@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <006c01c60885$14191ae0$5f11fea9@merlin>

Merry Christmas  and a happy new year i hope we all find heaps of engines in 
the new year.
Brock Summerfield. 



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sat Dec 24 04:46:57 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:46:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <001801c60812$d07d6470$ecabe104@OFFICELEW><43AC8756.3050804@earthlink.net>
	<037d01c6083f$0609b860$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <001601c60888$20065c20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

A Reply But Not an "On Topic" subject

No hotter than the Mojave Desert and Edwards Air Force base and Death Valley
in California. In the summer time it was just about impossible to work on an
airplane outside the skin was so hot.At night time was when all the critters 
came out,
 the side winders, the rattle snakes and scorpions. In the winter time out 
on the flight line
at 3 A.M. in the morning temperature in the teens and wind blowing 40 mph
it was cold. When the wind was blowing you didn't park your car behind the 
blast
fence (where we run up the air planes). There was cracks between the planks
and you got a sand blast job. Also in a sand storm you don't drive 60 mph or
you would be replacing the windshield..

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(no blowing sand but plenty of blowing snow
and no poisonous creatues and sometimes you have
to cut through 3 feet of ice to fish))


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


>I dont think he would enjoy it! 105 and blowing hard. BAD firwe weather!
> Reg & Marg Ingold.
> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>
>> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
>> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
>>
>> Jeff Allen
>
>
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From Germoamer at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 04:56:14 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:56:14 EST
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
Message-ID: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/23/2005 7:40:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
 tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >>


Hi Dave,

Looks like you are getting your wish slowly but surely!  Going to be in the 
mid 50's here in central Virginia today. 

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From christison at coastalnet.com  Sat Dec 24 05:28:06 2005
From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 08:28:06 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
Message-ID: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>

Dave,

We expect 65 degrees today here in the swamps of northeastern 
North Carolina.

Wishing all on the list a very Merry Christmas!

Ken and Connie Christison

> In a message dated 12/23/2005 7:40:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> rotigel at alltel.net writes:
>
< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
  tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >





From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 05:54:56 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 05:54:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20051224135456.59031.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

In Western New York we are in the mid-40 range  with a dismal gray cloud cover...maybe a bit of misty rain but the  white Christmas thing appears to be a washout.  Best to all and be  safe and happy.
  Jim Moran

Germoamer at aol.com wrote:  In a message dated 12/23/2005 7:40:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
 tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >>


Hi Dave,

Looks like you are getting your wish slowly but surely!  Going to be in the 
mid 50's here in central Virginia today. 

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 06:00:53 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:00:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>
	<014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
Message-ID: <1135432853.43ad5495ce45d@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Ron,

You wouldn't be nippin' into the Christmas Cheer a bit early now would ya?  
8-))  63 deg.C (145 deg.F) in Iraq would beat the hell out of the all-time ever
recorded high temperature for planet Earth.  That record was 58 deg.C (136
deg.F) measured at Al' Aziziyah, Libya in September of 1922.
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020524.htm

And Dave?  Just in case you haven't checked the LOCAL forecast, it should get up
to 49 deg.F here in the 'burgh today.  Warm enough to play in the shed some
(assuming I don't get drafted into helping prepare Christmas Eve dinner that
is).  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - I hope that all of the toys that Santa leaves in everyone's stockings are
nice and rusty and really heavy!!  8-))

PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100
deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 7,
1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au>:

> Interesting that after a temp of 36C yesterday it has only reached about 24C
> today and we are expecting a fairly cool Christmas Day.  Have our son home
> at the moment from Darwin.  He has just served 6 months in Iraq and they had
> temperatures up to 63C in the summertime.




From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 06:10:42 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:10:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member pic
Message-ID: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>

To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again because I
want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they are
in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but from
what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to know if
it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 07:05:14 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:05:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
In-Reply-To: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>

Lyle,

Knock yourself out...  I'm sure that others have matched up the rest of his
items for sale with the web sites where he got them.

See ya,  Arnie

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-HP-MULE-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574745491
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

Quoting Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>:

> To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
> engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again because I
> want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they are
> in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but from
> what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
> person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to know if
> it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.



From jerrye at databak.co.za  Sat Dec 24 08:04:22 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:04:22 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Best wishes to all
Message-ID: <200512241818671.SM00288@new.databak.co.za>

Just a quick note to wish all the members  of the lists a Very Happy 
Christmas and Prosperous New Year. May you be blessed with good health and 
happiness for the coming year.

May your flywheels keep on flying
and your crankshafts keep on cranking
May your mags keep on magging
and your pistons keep on ................going up and down. :-)

Keep the revs up (or down)
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 08:40:35 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:40:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Xmas Greetings
Message-ID: <6f6025160512240840m4e11b301qbf39ac37ad36af4b@mail.gmail.com>

We hope that as we approach the end of another year, that all our
friends in the old-iron hobby are well and looking forward to another
season of shows and rallies.

These past three years have been especially memorable for us for the
trips to Tulare and Portland, which we enjoyed immensely and will miss
a lot in years to come. The photographic record we have reminds of
those days and the folks we met and the laughs we had together.

We wish you all the very best of health, prosperity and continued friendship.

Peter & Rita
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From mogul460 at localnet.com  Sat Dec 24 08:41:59 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R  Bryant)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
Message-ID: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


A Reply But Not an "On Topic" subject

 No hotter than the Mojave Desert and Edwards Air Force base and Death 
Valley
 in California. In the summer time it was just about impossible to work on 
an
 airplane outside the skin was so hot.At night time was when all the 
critters
 came out,
 the side winders, the rattle snakes and scorpions. In the winter time out
 on the flight line
 at 3 A.M. in the morning temperature in the teens and wind blowing 40 mph
 it was cold. When the wind was blowing you didn't park your car behind the 
blast
 fence (where we run up the air planes). There was cracks between the planks
 and you got a sand blast job. Also in a sand storm you don't drive 60 mph 
or
 you would be replacing the windshield..

 Charlie Bryant
 Jay, Maine
 (no blowing sand but plenty of blowing snow
 and no poisonous creatues and sometimes you have
 to cut through 3 feet of ice to fish))


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R & M Ingold" <randmingold at hotkey.net.au>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
>>I dont think he would enjoy it! 105 and blowing hard. BAD firwe weather!
>> Reg & Marg Ingold.
>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au
>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold
>>
>>> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the Christmas presents and drive 
>>> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to show him a world map.
>>>
>>> Jeff Allen
>>
>>
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From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Sat Dec 24 09:02:59 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 11:02:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
References: <4jshog$7q3ral@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au>
Message-ID: <001201c608ab$e4dce730$111f7546@mycomputer>

I dont know...Australia and west Texas are kinda similar....

Tom the Texan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R and E Freeman" <plb at iinet.net.au>
To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] OHS gone mad


> Well who'd want to take over Texas anyway?
> Ray Freeman
> Perth WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap
> Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 4:04 AM
> To: The SEL email discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
> All i know is, in Texas, no occupying force would have a chance against 
> all
> of us heavily armed men. But in England and Australia, it would be easy.
> nuff said.
>
> Tom
> Texas
> USA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Cottrill" <adamcottrill at bigpond.com>
> To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Cc: <sel-request at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:55 PM
> Subject: [SEL] OHS gone mad
>
>
>> Hi guys,
>>           I think Peter was refering more to the American judicial system
>> and the way in which in some ways responability of ones actions has been
>> removed by Governments, I'm the first to say Australia isnt immune and we
>> all have stories of how people successfully sued and won for seemingly
>> stupid amounts of money and won.
>>
>> That being said if people are genuine and have been injured I feel that
>> they deserve compensation for it and I wish them all the best in getting
>> it.
>>
>> Further those of you who still have the stigma attached to the brain that
>> it is law that every engine compound has to be fenced and we dont have
>> guns here I think you need to look a little closer.
>>
>> Ill explain...
>>
>> The fences around engine compounds, IS ONLY a "guideline" for the current
>> policy of which over 8000 members of the National Historical Machinery
>> Assocition are a member of.
>>
>> Point 1. No one is forcing anyone to be a member, and if you wanted to 
>> run
>
>> a show in your back yard or any where and not be a member of the
>> association thats fine no one will stop you.
>>
>> Point 2. As mentioned above this ruling is only a guideline to protect 
>> the
>
>> insurance policy of the association that is getting close to $100,000 per
>> year for coverage and for $13 a member for full coverage I think its a
>> good wicket.
>>
>> The association would like you to follow the guide line and when your 
>> club
>
>> signs up it is taken you will. However if you dont choose to follow it
>> (and this is your right) and something happens ie an accident the policy
>> will still pay out as itis broadform. The remifications beyond this is
>> that the total policy could be withdrawn, the price goes up of the policy
>> or the member club will be asked to leave the assoc.
>>
>> The association has done this (and as many companys now do) by placing
>> guidelines in or in more complex terms a risk management policy you can
>> effectively reduce the cost of your premium by reducing the upfront risk.
>>
>> And I know personally this is what Smorgans have done as one of the
>> companys I now work for carts scrap into Smorgans almost on a daily 
>> basis,
>
>> to them a 40% reduction in insurance premiums its worth someone looking
>> like a total tool in a red jacket.
>>
>> And finally guns, my family has been a hunting family for well since they
>> arrived here in the boat in 1788. My Mother was a state archery champion
>> and because of me (she was pregnaut at the time with me) missed olympic
>> final selection. My father has missed only 1 duck shooting season in 55
>> years and my family has a swag of state and national clay trap shooters 
>> to
>
>> be proud of and have our own personal clay trap and a line of goldern
>> retreivers that are well know for there ability.
>>
>> My grandfather said to me when he taught me to shoot, "Adam if you miss 
>> on
>
>> the second shot it deserves to live!" yes I am a gun owner and I have his
>> remington left handed side be side.
>>
>> But what I cant understand is why in the state of Texas I would need to
>> own an anti tank gun? or and M16 full auto can someone please explain 
>> this
>
>> to me?
>>
>> Best wishes for the festive season,
>>                                                 Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 23 17:25:54 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:25:54 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
Message-ID: <20051224.134037.1040.0.jlb94@juno.com>

It ain't sold yet 

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From jlb94 at juno.com  Sat Dec 24 11:06:22 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:06:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <20051224.142750.1040.2.jlb94@juno.com>

SYlvia and I would like to wish you and your families a very


MERRY  CHRISTMAS

From h.terpstra at wxs.nl  Sat Dec 24 11:37:00 2005
From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:37:00 +0100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
References: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c608c1$68c77410$3775833e@amd>

Merry Christmas everybody.

harry


From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 24 13:07:51 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:07:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member pic
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <009501c608ce$1b090920$c11117d1@net.telenet.net>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyle Myles" <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:10 AM
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member
pic


> To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic
of the
> engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again
because I
> want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they
are
> in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but
from
> what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
> person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to
know if
> it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.
>
> McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
> America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
> chair.
> . May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.
>
> Lyle DeWitt Myles lyle45859 at earthlink.net
>
>

Lyle,
 They are exactly the same picture, right down to the reflections in the
engine and on the walls around it, if you make it a transparent layer
and put it over the original it lines up perfect.  The ONLY way the ebay
crook got that picture was IF he had his camera in the EXACT same spot
at the exact same time as our member. And there is NO way that happened.
That engine is open on that side. The fence you see only runs in front
of the display. It is (and many others he is selling as well) a blatant
rip off.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7574745491

Steve W.




From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 24 13:09:57 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:09:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00a901c608ce$659cd520$c11117d1@net.telenet.net>

Yep, and sent a nice letter to Ebay about him being a crook. Haven't
heard anything yet.

Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] eBay Seller


> Lyle,
>
> Knock yourself out...  I'm sure that others have matched up the rest
of his
> items for sale with the web sites where he got them.
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
>
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
> http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/12-HP-MULE-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574745491
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg
>
> Quoting Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at earthlink.net>:
>
> > To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members
pic of the
> > engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again
because I
> > want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if
they are
> > in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter
but from
> > what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were
the
> > person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to
know if
> > it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>



From page at velocitynet.com.au  Sat Dec 24 13:29:10 2005
From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:29:10 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
References: <20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com><5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au><6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net><014501c60831$cf9d4c90$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>
	<1135432853.43ad5495ce45d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c608d1$16af92b0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq>

Sorry Arnie.  I lied.  Just checked with my son and it was actually 62 C.
However this should be qualified in that it was recorded in direct sunlight
as opposed to official readings which are usually taken in the shade.  While
he was there (As Samawah) he was regularly working on ASLAVS and other
vehicles in 50 to 59C.  Those that are over there now are in winter weather.

Cheers

Ron (Canberra, Aus 16.5 C at 8.45am Xmas Morning)

----- Original Message -----
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Hotter than?


> G'day Ron,
>
> You wouldn't be nippin' into the Christmas Cheer a bit early now would ya?
> 8-))  63 deg.C (145 deg.F) in Iraq would beat the hell out of the all-time
ever
> recorded high temperature for planet Earth.  That record was 58 deg.C (136
> deg.F) measured at Al' Aziziyah, Libya in September of 1922.
> http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/scienceques2001/20020524.htm
>
> And Dave?  Just in case you haven't checked the LOCAL forecast, it should
get up
> to 49 deg.F here in the 'burgh today.  Warm enough to play in the shed
some
> (assuming I don't get drafted into helping prepare Christmas Eve dinner
that
> is).  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - I hope that all of the toys that Santa leaves in everyone's stockings
are
> nice and rusty and really heavy!!  8-))
>
> PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
> drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia,
100
> deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to
Apr. 7,
> 1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> Quoting Ron Page <page at velocitynet.com.au>:
>
> > Interesting that after a temp of 36C yesterday it has only reached about
24C
> > today and we are expecting a fairly cool Christmas Day.  Have our son
home
> > at the moment from Darwin.  He has just served 6 months in Iraq and they
had
> > temperatures up to 63C in the summertime.
>
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 13:48:08 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:48:08 -0700
Subject: [SEL] To the member that posted the pic from eBay and member pic
In-Reply-To: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c60893$d5434c50$49b85904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43ADC218.6090102@earthlink.net>

Lyle,
I downloaded both and have them here:
http://frapa.us/Junk1.html
Top pic is e-bay.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Lyle Myles wrote: >snip<

>To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
>engine that is being sold on eBay. 
>



From falcon at telenet.net  Sat Dec 24 14:17:15 2005
From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:17:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Software helpers for the shop.
Message-ID: <021d01c608d7$cc297e20$c11117d1@net.telenet.net>

Lots of interesting software on this site. Software to calculate and
help machine, Con-rods, flywheels, cams and lots more.

http://www.myvirtualnetwork.com/mklotz/


Steve Williams
Near Cooperstown, New York



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 15:02:01 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
In-Reply-To: <1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

I realize this is a whacky question, especially on Christmas Eve.  However.....
  do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any data as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.  This is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing to know this.
  JM

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Lyle,

Knock yourself out...  I'm sure that others have matched up the rest of his
items for sale with the web sites where he got them.

See ya,  Arnie

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-HP-MULE-HIT-AND-MISS-PHOTO-PRINT-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7574745491
http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2003Rollag/Engines/18.jpg

Quoting Lyle Myles :

> To the member who posted the web address for eBay and the members pic of the
> engine that is being sold on eBay. Would you please post it again because I
> want to download both pic and compare them side by side to see if they are
> in fact the same pic? Not taking sides with anyone on this matter but from
> what I can see the only place to take a pic of this engine is were the
> person is standing. I have some tools that may help the members to know if
> it is a new pic for sale or a pirate pic for sale.

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
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http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



		
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From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec 24 14:53:04 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:53:04 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than?
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051223191618.04734638@mail.alltel.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
	<20051222.115407.416.1.rdhaskell@juno.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051223233417.00bc5440@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051225094734.00bc5568@mail.ncable.com.au>

As always; only someone as yourself Dave could send a reply of this nature. 
You must have read the first "Hotter than" post, it didn't contain engine 
talk yet you decided to keep reading. Best you fire up your delete button a 
little more so you don't get so pissed off with some of us Ozzies who just 
like a little chit chat.

You can be such a wanker sometimes but Merry Christmas to you none the less

Russell

At 07:19 PM 23/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>At 07:35 AM 12/23/2005, you wrote:
>>G'day Ron, mate come and live here! It got to 45 today and thats celcius!
>>
>>Ask Curt how it can be a little warm about these parts
>>Russell
>
>Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to 
>tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today!
>         Dave
>PS, Talk about being STUCK ON STUPID!
>
>_______________________________________________
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Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 24 15:15:50 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:15:50 +0000
Subject: [SEL] eBay Seller
In-Reply-To: <20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1135436714.43ad63aa39a79@webmail.city-net.com>
	<20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512241515w2eb60720g8b487a10bdc9a59c@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/24/05, James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on Christmas Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any data as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.  This is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing to know this.
>   JM

Depends on the type of engine, Jim, and the governing, fuel etc etc.

Diesels are usually at the top of the tree, with gas hit and miss at
the bottom, depending on the governor type.

The other consideration is where on the power curve you measure
efficiency. Some engines exhibit a curious power/consumption curve
that improves towards full power.

Peter (outside some very nice Advocaat....)
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From russell at ncable.com.au  Sat Dec 24 15:06:07 2005
From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:06:07 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <004a01c608c1$68c77410$3775833e@amd>
References: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20051225100430.02607f08@mail.ncable.com.au>


>Merry Xmas to everyone. It's 10am already and I just opened my new air 
>spray gun kit! It's a bloody ripper. I will have to try and find time now 
>to got paint some old iron!

Merry xmas to all
Russell and Carnel

>_________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel

Russell Gilbert
Sunny Sunraysia
russell at ncable.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics 




From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk  Sat Dec 24 15:55:34 2005
From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:55:34 -0000
Subject: [SEL] christmas greetings
Message-ID: <003201c608e5$89b4d360$5e5c2f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O>

To all,
        I would like to wish everyone a very happy christmas.
        I hope you all find that elusive engine or part under the tree. I also hope to see some of you next year.


            Bye for now,
                                Craig Morrison
                                Aberdeenshire
                                Scotland

From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 16:47:28 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:47:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
Message-ID: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

Well it is Christmas Eve and I have waited all year for this night. I did
not go deer hunting this year as it was cold and I was lazy. Since it is 39
degrees in my back yard I thought this would be the perfect night for
hunting. I have my rocking chair, coon light, and a 16 gauge shotgun sitting
on my garage roof. I?ve got a big pot of coffee on to fill up my two gallon
thermos because it is going to be a long, long night. If I hold my neck just
right and have some luck, I?ll have fresh reindeer meat to go with my eggs
and gravy in the morning. Just do not know how Santa will take this if I get
lucky. It I do, I?ll let the members know how it went.

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From rotigel at alltel.net  Sat Dec 24 17:31:16 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:31:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hotter than? OT
In-Reply-To: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>
References: <e3.22ad0f14.30de9f6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051224202628.045e6e88@mail.alltel.net>


><< Boy, I sure as hell hope that everyone else on the List posts in order to
>  tell us all what the temperature in their back yard is/was today! >>
>
>Hi Dave,
>Looks like you are getting your wish slowly but surely!  Going to be in the
>mid 50's here in central Virginia today.
>Merry Christmas to you and your family.
>Tom Schmutz

Thanks for the update Tom (and everyone else who has posted re: the weather 
in their back yard.) Only 346 more reports and we will know how 
warm/cold/snowy/cloudy it is in all other List members back yards!
         Dave
PS, I hope that everyone on the List has a joyous Christmas and a GREAT New 
Year! 



From Ratzandcatz at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 17:46:55 2005
From: Ratzandcatz at aol.com (Ratzandcatz at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 20:46:55 EST
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
Message-ID: <db.342d60eb.30df540f@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/24/2005 5:04:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
lyle45859 at earthlink.net writes:

If I  hold my neck just
right and have some luck, I?ll have fresh reindeer meat  to go with my eggs
and gravy in the morning. 


You know what they say:
 
REINDEER:  the other white meat.........
 
Mell Wallace
Laurens, SC


From peter at loud-n-clear.net  Sat Dec 24 18:11:58 2005
From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 02:11:58 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <016801c608f8$a5764120$8335c53e@doc>

A Merry Christmas to one and all, and a happy and prosperous New Year.

Regards

     Pete
-- 
Peter Scales 




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 24 18:26:58 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:26:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>

Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>
>



From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 24 18:40:15 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:40:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <db.342d60eb.30df540f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c608fc$8faf02b0$2bbb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

Kinda stringy though unless 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of
Ratzandcatz at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:47 PM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: Re: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO

 
In a message dated 12/24/2005 5:04:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
lyle45859 at earthlink.net writes:

If I  hold my neck just
right and have some luck, I'll have fresh reindeer meat  to go with my eggs
and gravy in the morning. 


You know what they say:
 
REINDEER:  the other white meat.........
 
Mell Wallace
Laurens, SC
_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:02:43 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:02:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great opportunity to 
promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name of wheelterrapin.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From lsain33 at charter.net  Sat Dec 24 19:11:22 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:11:22 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
	<011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!

Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great opportunity to
> promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name of wheelterrapin.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
> >
> > Tommy Turner
> > Magnolia, KY
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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>
> --
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>


From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 24 19:17:10 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:17:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
	<011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <43AE0F36.9000406@scrtc.com>

Thanks Paul.  I know it has to be worth a lot of $$$.  Who wouldn't want 
that print hanging in their office or living room.  Since this thread 
dealt with stolen engine photos from the internet, I thought what the 
heck!  If it brings over $50, I'll pay for having it mounted, matted and 
framed for the purchaser.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY






> Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great 
> opportunity to promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name 
> of wheelterrapin.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
>> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>
>
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>
>



From lsain33 at charter.net  Sat Dec 24 19:09:09 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:09:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <05c901c60900$93602700$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

It appears there is already a bidding frenzy going on for this unique item
Tommy.  I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up in Indiana next August.

Larry in Catsquare, NC, USA


----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005
>
>


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 24 19:32:02 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:32:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1135481522.43ae12b29d117@webmail.city-net.com>

I'm in...  But hey Tommy, we gots to ask...  
Do you OWN the original photo?  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:44:45 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:44:45 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<43AE0F36.9000406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <013001c60905$8c5d0270$230110ac@PAUL>

Sounds good Tommy, I will hang in there for awhile.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Thanks Paul.  I know it has to be worth a lot of $$$.  Who wouldn't want 
> that print hanging in their office or living room.  Since this thread 
> dealt with stolen engine photos from the internet, I thought what the 
> heck!  If it brings over $50, I'll pay for having it mounted, matted and 
> framed for the purchaser.
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:47:13 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:47:13 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<43AE0F36.9000406@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <013701c60905$e4bf3320$230110ac@PAUL>

Darn, it took me awhile to get the lead back but I have it for the moment.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Thanks Paul.  I know it has to be worth a lot of $$$.  Who wouldn't want 
> that print hanging in their office or living room.  Since this thread 
> dealt with stolen engine photos from the internet, I thought what the 
> heck!  If it brings over $50, I'll pay for having it mounted, matted and 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:47:59 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:47:59 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <014c01c60906$0035d6e0$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey I am a digging, I am ahead again!!!!

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
>
> Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
>> Hey Tommy since this is for the ATIS Charity and is a great opportunity 
>> to
>> promote our SEL mascot I am now bidding under the name of wheelterrapin.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 8:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>>
>>
>> > Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>> >
>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>> >
>> > Tommy Turner
>> > Magnolia, KY
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > SEL mailing list
>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> SEL mailing list
>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>>
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 
>> 12/23/2005
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> 




From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 19:49:43 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:49:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>

Hey Larry Ya gotta dig deeper than that!!!, Ha, Ha.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
> 
> Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM




From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 24 19:56:24 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <1135481522.43ae12b29d117@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com>
	<1135481522.43ae12b29d117@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AE1868.3080001@scrtc.com>

I can't believe someone would even ask such a question.    I think we 
should ask the owner of this web site where HE got it.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



>I'm in...  But hey Tommy, we gots to ask...  
>Do you OWN the original photo?  8-)))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:
>
>  
>
>>Oh my goodness, look what's for sale on ebay now!
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7377132820
>>
>>Tommy Turner
>>Magnolia, KY
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
>  
>



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Sat Dec 24 21:05:42 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:05:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <43AE28A6.9060408@wightman.ca>

Here is my homemade card.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/Christmas.html

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From lsain33 at charter.net  Sat Dec 24 20:35:03 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:35:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL><05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get wind
of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Hey Larry Ya gotta dig deeper than that!!!, Ha, Ha.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
> >
> > Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005
>
>


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 24 23:49:32 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 01:49:32 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn><43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com><011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL><05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <001301c60927$beadbef0$230110ac@PAUL>

Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those boys 
being they are Oil Barons.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get 
> wind
> of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
>
> Larry
>




From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 01:21:28 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:21:28 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>

Merry Christmas to you, and all;also on the list.

This is a blessed day.

   Warning:Posting your Email out in the open like that will open you up 
to numerous "Web Address Bots" which will forward your email Address to 
a "Spam server".

   Believe me, I know!

           sincerely, mike


From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 02:04:18 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:04:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20051225100430.02607f08@mail.ncable.com.au>
References: <410-220051262413286781@coastalnet.com>
	<5.2.0.9.2.20051225100430.02607f08@mail.ncable.com.au>
Message-ID: <43AE6EA2.7030901@comcast.net>

Make sure you have a spray mask,and not just a "Michael Jackson" dust 
filter....when you can smell fumes, get outta there and replace the 
element. Nothin' worse than catalyzed paint in the airways.Forever.

                   mike


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Sun Dec 25 03:38:55 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:38:55 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19
References: <200512241700.jBOH04Q5007930@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <008e01c60947$ca8a5830$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Bring him down, will not take long as its all down
hill 8-))

> 
> P.S. OT! The short one wants to load up the
> Christmas presents and drive 
> to OZ, cause it Christmas Eve there. :-) Time to
> show him a world map.

Kerry 

Lithgow NSW Oz


Waddya mean "Down"!

"Up" is more like it ...... 8^)

Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!


From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Sun Dec 25 03:48:32 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:48:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19
References: <200512241700.jBOH04Q5007930@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100
deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 
7,
1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))


Hey Arnie,

Are you SURE you're not an Aussie as you're speaking our language ...... 8^)

As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 05:35:11 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 05:35:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <20051225133511.15709.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

Fosters, perhaps?  It is 45 degrees here, but  the "wrong scale" as far as beer guzzlin'.  My "45" goes more  toware bourbon.
  JM

Jim <marshallman at iprimus.com.au> wrote:  PPS - The Aussies hold the record for the longest stretch of serious beer
drinking weather.  "Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100
deg.F (38 deg.C) (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 
7,
1924."  That'll require a couple of slabs of stubbies fer sure!!  8-))


Hey Arnie,

Are you SURE you're not an Aussie as you're speaking our language ...... 8^)

As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Jim
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!

_______________________________________________
SEL mailing list
SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel



		
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Sun Dec 25 06:46:56 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com> <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001301c60927$beadbef0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <002901c60962$0e0fcf80$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>

There ain't no money in oil unless your last name is "Exxon" or "Shell"!!!!
Everybody knows them nu-clear engine ears make all the money, you got to
watch them commie sympathizers.

MR oyster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those
boys
> being they are Oil Barons.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> > just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get
> > wind
> > of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>




From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 25 07:06:23 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:06:23 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>

Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil 
baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver. But one of us know how to 
use those snipe sites!!!!!!!!! Yeee Hawww, Merry Christmas to you all out 
there.  Steve Royster (53 degrees , Dave)  in sunny Weaverville NC  USA


>From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 23:35:03 -0500
>
>You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
>just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get 
>wind
>of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
>
>Larry
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Hey Larry Ya gotta dig deeper than that!!!, Ha, Ha.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 9:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
> >
> >
> > > Ya gotta dig deeper than that Paul!
> > >
> > > Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:02 PM
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 
>12/23/2005
> >
> >
>_______________________________________________
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Sun Dec 25 07:20:20 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:20:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com> <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051225100624.0465edb8@mail.alltel.net>

At 11:35 PM 12/24/2005, you wrote:
>You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
>just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get wind
>of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
>Larry

No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against CUTE LITTLE GIRLS!
         Dave



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 07:36:50 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:36:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <002901c60962$0e0fcf80$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051225153650.42562.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

OK...I asked yesterday about the "efficiency" of  the antique engines that you folks restore and so covet.  Someone  wrote back, indicating that the curve would vary and (clearly) the type  of fuel plays a factor.  Allow me to ask this...
 Suppose one  of you experts were to take the basic "aged" design of some specific  old engine (which brand/model does not matter so much in my mind) and  "re-thought/re-engineered" that item utilizing current (modern)  materials, newer carburetors, and more recently discovered  approaches.  What, if any, difference would such "advances" or  "improvements" make? 
  Just wondering.  Perhaps this has already been done or thought about.
  JM

Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:  There ain't no money in oil unless your last name is "Exxon" or "Shell"!!!!
Everybody knows them nu-clear engine ears make all the money, you got to
watch them commie sympathizers.

MR oyster
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Maples" 

To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


> Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those
boys
> being they are Oil Barons.
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Sain" 
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> > just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get
> > wind
> > of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
> >
> > Larry
> >
>
>
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Sun Dec 25 07:53:52 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 07:53:52 -0800
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <20051224230201.58035.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

 
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
Christmas 
> Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
data 
> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
This 
> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
to know this.

Merry Christmas, Jim.  This won't specifically answer your
question, 
but it will give you plenty of things to think about.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/HeatBalance.jpg

Rob




From Germoamer at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 08:10:30 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:10:30 EST
Subject: [SEL] Jaeger mixer
Message-ID: <b9.6788d121.30e01e76@aol.com>

Check out this cast iron toy Jaeger mixer up for auction in western USA.

http://www.rossauction.com/topics/newyears/albums/casttoys/full/7952.jpg

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From jd.kirkes at verizon.net  Sun Dec 25 08:20:26 2005
From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:20:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
References: <20051225153650.42562.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006201c6096f$1dd6e400$b0496e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm>

You might find http://www.arrowengine.com/cseries.htm interesting.

Jim

Jim and Diane Kirkes
Hemet, CA , U.S.A.
jd.kirkes at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!


OK...I asked yesterday about the "efficiency" of  the antique engines that 
you folks restore and so covet.  Someone  wrote back, indicating that the 
curve would vary and (clearly) the type  of fuel plays a factor.  Allow me 
to ask this...
 Suppose one  of you experts were to take the basic "aged" design of some 
specific  old engine (which brand/model does not matter so much in my mind) 
and  "re-thought/re-engineered" that item utilizing current (modern) 
materials, newer carburetors, and more recently discovered  approaches. 
What, if any, difference would such "advances" or  "improvements" make?
  Just wondering.  Perhaps this has already been done or thought about.
  JM




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 08:20:59 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 08:20:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051225162059.21221.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

RS-
  No, it didn't give me "something to think about".  Rather it gave  me a headache :-).  Merry Christmas from Rochester, New York  (about 50 degrees and cloudy).
  JM

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:   
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
Christmas 
> Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
data 
> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
This 
> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
to know this.

Merry Christmas, Jim.  This won't specifically answer your
question, 
but it will give you plenty of things to think about.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/HeatBalance.jpg

Rob


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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 09:16:53 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:16:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <20051225171653.77053.qmail@web54210.mail.yahoo.com>

OK....here is the deal....
 Some time ago I  came into the orbit of a engineering professor who was a volunteer  "mentor" to a group of rural teenagers.  They are "economically  challenged" which is nothing other than a polite way of saying they  have no money.
 His "mission" is to teach them about alternative  fuel sources, fuel economy, performance issues, etc.  He needed a  "machine" on which they could experiment and guidance in terms of  engine alterations so that agricultural or "crop based" fuels could be  utilized.  His desire was to have an old John Deere 110 as the  "guinea pig" and had but a $400.00 budget.  I helped him find a  source that, once the challenge was explained, donated a 110 which was  in some state of disrepair.  He and his disciples, therefore, had  the fun and the learning experience of, first, restoring the machine  (BTW, the goal was to have it in an "attractive" or "display" state  cosmetically and to "show off their efforts" by using it to tow a float  or something along those lines at the school football games) and, then  retro-fitting the engine to run as efficiently as possible on gasohol.
  So....
  I have the IHC "M" and I was wondering about its potential applications  to their pursuit.  Assuming that the engine can be made  operational AND assuming that the professor expresses an interest, we  still beg several question:
  1.  Can this engine be "fuel converted" so to speak?
  2.  Is there any element of danger or risk involved?
  3.  Would your group be willing to provide guidance to them in  terms of restoration process, parts access advice, and suggestions on  fuel conversion if that is even possible?
  
 This is just a  thought on my part.  Frankly, I kind of found it "heartwarming"  that this teacher (purely voluntary/no compensation) would undertake  this project and that young people got excited about the "science" and  so took to "restoring" an old, otherwise useless, tractor.
  Please shoot back any views or ideas if any of you also find this to be worthwhile and/or intriguing.
  Obviously, I don't want to approach him with this if you (collectively) suggest that this simply can't work.
  Best.
  Jim Moran

Rob Skinner <rskinner at rustyiron.com> wrote:   
> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
Christmas 
> Eve.  However.....
>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
data 
> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
This 
> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
to know this.

Merry Christmas, Jim.  This won't specifically answer your
question, 
but it will give you plenty of things to think about.
http://temp.rustyiron.com/HeatBalance.jpg

Rob


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From lsain33 at charter.net  Sun Dec 25 10:50:42 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:50:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
Message-ID: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against CUTE
LITTLE GIRLS!
         Dave

You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.

Meanwhile, I changed the subject line since it had morphed into a topic
pretty far from the original.

I'm still worried about them oil barons though 8-)

Larry


From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Sun Dec 25 17:30:44 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:30:44 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
In-Reply-To: <002901c60962$0e0fcf80$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
References: <000701c608a8$f578cb20$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<43AE0372.4020301@scrtc.com> <011101c608ff$ad151300$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05d601c60900$e284ecd0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<014f01c60906$3e0fbb70$230110ac@PAUL>
	<05ff01c6090c$930454f0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001301c60927$beadbef0$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051225172935.01bf8a30@mail.pennswoods.net>

You missed one  [[[[[BUSH]]]]
R Fink

At 09:46 AM 12/25/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>There ain't no money in oil unless your last name is "Exxon" or "Shell"!!!!
>Everybody knows them nu-clear engine ears make all the money, you got to
>watch them commie sympathizers.
>
>MR oyster
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Paul Maples" <paulmaples at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 2:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
>
>
> > Them Royster Boys are definitely a threat as money abounds around those
>boys
> > being they are Oil Barons.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 10:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!
> >
> >
> > > You're right Paul, I gotta ask Mrs. Claus if I can float a loan.  Say, I
> > > just had a frightening thought...If those oil baron Oyster brothers get
> > > wind
> > > of this, we'll all be in the gutter, outbid again.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SEL mailing list
> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
>
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 25 16:30:00 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:30:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

Gee, you wouldn't post to "Broken Hearted Road" and the "Nuts and Volts Forum"
in addition to the SEL would you?  8-))

If you don't like to receive spam, run a good spam blocker and a good firewall.
Or, better yet, don't have an email address.  Otherwise, its gonna get you.

HOW you post is really not important any more.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>:

>    Warning:Posting your Email out in the open like that will open you up 
> to numerous "Web Address Bots" which will forward your email Address to 
> a "Spam server".
>    Believe me, I know!




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sun Dec 25 16:36:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:36:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Speaking Aussie
In-Reply-To: <009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <200512241700.jBOH04Q5007930@heavyiron.atis.net>
	<009201c60949$2200acd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <1135557373.43af3afd4afa0@webmail.city-net.com>

G'day Jim,

> Are you SURE you're not an Aussie as you're speaking our language ...... 8^)

When dealing with the natives, it always helps to tey and speak a little of the
local lingo.  

> As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Cold?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie



From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 25 17:42:19 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 20:42:19 -0500
Subject: [SEL] About e-mail address Important to all members
Message-ID: <000601c609bd$a0f1d4f0$5dbb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

To the members of this fantastic group of people who shares their souls and
beliefs. 

There has been an issue on posting your e-mail address and the worry that
spammers will pick up on it. Too some I'm considered a computer geek and to 
the members who are concerned, I may have the answer. If you notice in my
e-mail address I have a name with a number. For some reason when you place a

number and name together it is harder for the spammer's computer to pick up
your e-mail. If I had more time I could explain why this works in blocking 
ninety percent of all spammers, junk mail and pop ups. I know it is a
headache when you change your e-mail address but once it is done and people
you trust know it, it will be better for you. Also I use the Yahoo tool bar
with this e-mail and it has caught all junk and spammer's and has made my
life easier. If any member would like more information on this subject
please write me off line. I have a high block on my e-mail and sometimes I'm
not told I have spam and it is deleted. If you contact me and I have not
answered within twenty-four hours please try again. 

McGuffey, Ohio/ N.W. corner of Ohio near Lima, Ohio, United States of
America, North American Continent with my cats sitting under my office
chair.
?. May the Lord be with each and every one this joyous day.

Lyle DeWitt Myles??? lyle45859 at earthlink.net






From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Dec 25 18:08:59 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:08:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051225210017.0483cfa0@web1.nlenet.net>

Hi  I have been playing around with using a digital camera to take Stereo 
pictures.  The type you see in museums
http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html

It turns out that if you make a slide to put on your tripod that will allow 
your camera to move sideways about 2.5 in you can take two pictures and 
then combine them using free software and have a stereo picture of your old 
engine.

Is any one else playing with this.  If so how about posting some pictures 
for those of us with viewers.  Turns out you don't need to print them. the 
viewer works fine with the screen image.

Frank DeWitt

  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 18:20:07 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:20:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] WAS: eBay Seller   NOW: efficiency
In-Reply-To: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <01e201c6096b$687ed110$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <43AF5357.1060000@comcast.net>

Hi:
   There's an efficiency graph on a 6 HP Diesel (Listeroid)at the 
website  http://www.utterpower.com . You'll have to dig through the 
pages,there's also information on running BioDiesel on the site.


From f86sabre at kcweb.net  Sun Dec 25 19:18:56 2005
From: f86sabre at kcweb.net (F86SABRE)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:18:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies 
References: <6.2.1.2.0.20051225210017.0483cfa0@web1.nlenet.net>
Message-ID: <001601c609cb$1af458b0$9701a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

Where does one find the free software?
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank DeWitt" <Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies


> Hi  I have been playing around with using a digital camera to take Stereo
> pictures.  The type you see in museums
> http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html
>
> It turns out that if you make a slide to put on your tripod that will 
> allow
> your camera to move sideways about 2.5 in you can take two pictures and
> then combine them using free software and have a stereo picture of your 
> old
> engine.
>
> Is any one else playing with this.  If so how about posting some pictures
> for those of us with viewers.  Turns out you don't need to print them. the
> viewer works fine with the screen image.
>
> Frank DeWitt
>
>  Frank DeWitt
>
>  Light plant WEB page
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
>  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
>  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
>  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
>  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com


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From glenn.karch at gte.net  Sun Dec 25 19:21:05 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 21:21:05 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
References: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>

Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer


> Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against
CUTE
> LITTLE GIRLS!
>          Dave
>
> You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.
>
> Meanwhile, I changed the subject line since it had morphed into a topic
> pretty far from the original.
>
> I'm still worried about them oil barons though 8-)
>
> Larry
> _______________________________________________
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From Frank at lbpinc.com  Sun Dec 25 19:43:14 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:43:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051225223413.0452bd60@web1.nlenet.net>


I have been using  http://www.callipygian.com/  It is simple
others have more features and are harder to use.  If you have a good slide 
(or two cameras) simple is all you need.  If you are hand holding the 
camera, some of the others have corrections for angle, rotation, ETC.  Here 
is a site full of software.
http://www.stereoscopy.com/downloads/

There a number of software programs that deal with the Red Blue method 
(anaglyph-type) as well.

Frank

---------------------------------------------------------------------------


Where does one find the free software?
Dan Bousman
Pleasant Hill, Missouri

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank DeWitt" 
<<http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel>Frank at lbpinc.com>
To: <<http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel>sel at 
lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: [SEL] combine two hobbies


 > Hi  I have been playing around with using a digital camera to take Stereo
 > pictures.  The type you see in museums
 > 
<http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html>http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Stereo-Viewers.html
 >
 > It turns out that if you make a slide to put on your tripod that will
 > allow
 > your camera to move sideways about 2.5 in you can take two pictures and
 > then combine them using free software and have a stereo picture of your
 > old
 > engine.
 >
 > Is any one else playing with this.  If so how about posting some pictures
 > for those of us with viewers.  Turns out you don't need to print them. the
 > viewer works fine with the screen image.
 >
 > Frank DeWitt


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From guitronics at comcast.net  Sun Dec 25 20:10:56 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:10:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
	<1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>

Arnie:
   You got me, fair and square!

         Bit of a geek,eh?

               I might indeed post to "Broken Hearted Road" (Sonny 
Landreth fan site), "Nuts and Volts forum",and SEL;if I thought it was 
relevant.

        I've done dumber things....

          So you have the "uncover the Bcc" tool?

                 Hahaha,Merry Christmas to you and yours!
                           mike


From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 25 21:04:03 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:04:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine
Message-ID: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>

I know, I know, another O.T. subject but it is for a good cause. I need help 
locating the magazine that these plans came from:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/528751660LYHXLk

All I know is that they came out of a 1949 magazine but have no idea which 
one. I am trying to build this for some boys who do not have anything and I 
want to give them something. The plans were on E-bay and I was bidding on 
them but was not on the computer when the auction closed and lost them.

I have offered to pay the buyer for a copy of them but they will not even 
return my e-mails.

I know this is a long shot by asking the group and I know that I will 
receive the usual flaming but as old as I am it does not make a whole lot of 
difference anymore especially if I can help someone else.

I apologize to those who will get upset over this post.

Paul




From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 26 03:25:40 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:25:40 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
Message-ID: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

How does one determine quantity of shims to use when replacing the bearing 
caps over the crank shaft on a Sandwich 1 1/2hp. The shim stock on my engine 
fell apart when soaking in solvent tank and I am trying to adjust the 
tightness of the bearing caps.  Also any sugestions on how to make up new ones.
Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were 
easily saved.
thankyou in advance,
Curt Andree


From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Mon Dec 26 03:46:47 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:46:47 +1100
Subject: [SEL] wheels
Message-ID: <001101c60a12$121fc980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Well folks, despite all the efforts so far, I STILL am no nearer seeing my
flywheels in the post and on their way to me.
The Christmas gift did not eventuate!!! 10 months nowsince my check was 
cashed.
I have had it!!
ANYTHING you think that may help, PLEASE go ahead and do it!! Blast his
church, Blast him!
Bombard his phone, etc.etc.
At this point in time I have nothing to lose! I have nothing but complete
distain and hatred for this slimeball who took my money, would not answer
any mail from me, and STILL will not send me what I paid for.
So, lets see if the combined force of the list makes his life bad enough,
via ANY methods, to force him into sending me what is mine.
Thanks for your tolerance and support on this so far.
A happy new year to us all.
Reg.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold




From guitronics at comcast.net  Mon Dec 26 03:46:31 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:46:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine
In-Reply-To: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>
References: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>
Message-ID: <43AFD817.5070305@comcast.net>

Rules are made to sometimes be broken. I'm not old enough to remember 
this magazine, but my best guess would be Popular Mechanics.

                          mike


From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 04:16:58 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:16:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] wheels
In-Reply-To: <001101c60a12$121fc980$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000001c60a16$453e31e0$dcb85904@lyle0592c054dd>

I'm willing to help but who is this person and how do I contact him?
Lyle Myles/ McGuffey, OH NW Corner of Ohio/ USA

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 6:47 AM
To: List SEL; oldengine list; marv Hedburg; Best, George;
Streetsofbend at bendbroadband.com
Subject: [SEL] wheels

Well folks, despite all the efforts so far, I STILL am no nearer seeing my
flywheels in the post and on their way to me.
The Christmas gift did not eventuate!!! 10 months nowsince my check was 
cashed.
I have had it!!
ANYTHING you think that may help, PLEASE go ahead and do it!! Blast his
church, Blast him!
Bombard his phone, etc.etc.
At this point in time I have nothing to lose! I have nothing but complete
distain and hatred for this slimeball who took my money, would not answer
any mail from me, and STILL will not send me what I paid for.
So, lets see if the combined force of the list makes his life bad enough,
via ANY methods, to force him into sending me what is mine.
Thanks for your tolerance and support on this so far.
A happy new year to us all.
Reg.

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold


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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 06:42:05 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:42:05 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
In-Reply-To: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D
	0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Cure,
         Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of 
material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard. Many on the list 
now prefer the "official" SEL shim stock--empty beer cans. This is not 
really because the Al in beer cans is any better than any other material, 
but rather because it's so much fun producing the shim stock.
         In any event, start with an approximate amount of shim material 
and tighten one of the caps down to the proper tightness. Try to turn the 
flywheels. If they will not turn add another shin and try again. Repeat 
this process until the flywheels turn easily. Then go to the other side and 
do the same thing. If, on the other hand, the flywheels turn freely when 
you start, remove one shim at a time (tightening the cap each time) until 
the flywheels bind up--then add back the last shim that you removed.
         I'm not sure what you mean by "make up new ones." I use a pair of 
scissors. Good tin snips work well also. A hole punch of the proper size 
for the studs helps a good bit. If I decided to use wooden shims I guess 
that I would use a saw and drill press. Keep in mind that all of your shims 
do not need to be the same thickness nor made out of the same material.
         Dave
PS, Anyone who suggests that you go to the auto store and purchase some 
sort of material with which to measure (ie Plastagage [sp?]) does not 
understand what it meant to own one of these engines in the teens or 20's!

At 06:25 AM 12/26/2005, you wrote:
>How does one determine quantity of shims to use when replacing the bearing
>caps over the crank shaft on a Sandwich 1 1/2hp. The shim stock on my engine
>fell apart when soaking in solvent tank and I am trying to adjust the
>tightness of the bearing caps.  Also any sugestions on how to make up new 
>ones.
>Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were
>easily saved.
>thankyou in advance,
>Curt Andree



From oldengin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 26 07:30:52 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B00CAC.9060503@verizon.net>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Keep in mind that all of your shims do not need to be the same 
> thickness nor made out of the same material.
>         Dave
> PS, Anyone who suggests that you go to the auto store and purchase 
> some sort of material with which to measure (ie Plastagage [sp?]) does 
> not understand what it meant to own one of these engines in the teens 
> or 20's!
>
>
Dave, I am missing your point here?????????  Are you telling us to use 
what we have? My NASCAR engin  rebuild  book talks differently than what 
you state.  LOL

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 07:38:53 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:38:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
In-Reply-To: <001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
References: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Glenn,
         This is, indeed, good news! I have not gotten a proper nights 
sleep since Portland. Nightmares of that incident and the tears running 
down her sad little face have haunted my sleep for almost 5 months now. At 
last I will be able to sleep the whole night through again! Thanks!
         Dave

At 10:21 PM 12/25/2005, you wrote:
>Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:50 PM
>Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
>
>
> > Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against
>CUTE
> > LITTLE GIRLS!
> >          Dave
> >
> > You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.
> >
> > Larry



From Frank at lbpinc.com  Mon Dec 26 07:41:42 2005
From: Frank at lbpinc.com (Frank DeWitt)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:41:42 -0500
Subject: [SEL] A Master clock with a Magneto 
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20051226102458.041e1420@web1.nlenet.net>

There are many master clock systems.  Most old ones use a Pendulum master 
clock to close a contact once each minute to send a pulse to slaves.  Some 
had elaborate correction seams (IBM was one) , at least one used pulses of 
compressed air, but I was not familiar with this concept.

The master clock movement has what on this list can only be described as a 
impulse magneto (note the familiar two springs) to generate the electrical 
pulse once per minute and send it to the slave.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6591398098&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
Also see
http://static.flickr.com/24/42768762_b8473a59a0_o.jpg

Frank




  Frank DeWitt

  Light plant WEB page 
<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>http://www.oldengine.org/members/<http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank>frank
  Mechanical Design      mailto:frank at lbpinc.com
  LBP  INC.              Phone:  585 624 3052
  2365 Cox Rd.           Fax     585 624 1038
  Bloomfield NY 14469    Web   http://www.lbpinc.com  
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 26 10:04:59 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:04:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>
References: <064801c60984$1bc583a0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <cd73d622b0e676afeed879a514a6cd67@chartertn.net>

That's what I admire about you, Dave. You're such a sensitive guy!

John

On Dec 26, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>         This is, indeed, good news! I have not gotten a proper nights 
> sleep since Portland. Nightmares of that incident and the tears 
> running down her sad little face have haunted my sleep for almost 5 
> months now. At last I will be able to sleep the whole night through 
> again! Thanks!
>         Dave


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From mogul460 at localnet.com  Mon Dec 26 11:14:54 2005
From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:14:54 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <002401c60a50$a7dbd020$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Subject: Re: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed


> Hi Cure,
>          Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of
> material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard. Many on the
list
> now prefer the "official" SEL shim stock--empty beer cans. This is not
> really because the Al in beer cans is any better than any other material,
> but rather because it's so much fun producing the shim stock
.
. Keep in mind that all of your shims  do not need to be the same
thickness nor made out of the same material.
          Dave

Dave,  Aren't all beer cans practically the same thickness?What about
 the ones before the days they started making them out of AL?
 Isn't Mr. Andree's first name spelled Curt? Have you been making
shim stock lately?

Just kidding Dave. That was an excellant post.

Charlie Bryant
Jay, Maine
(where theres no rich oil guys)








  Also any sugestions on how to make up new
> >ones.
> >Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were
> >easily saved.
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
>
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>
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From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Dec 26 11:13:16 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:13:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Common guys , buy Dave from me he's worth it
Message-ID: <000401c60a51$89a41b20$cad0fea9@ibm>

 Comon guys , You better outbid me on Daves Picture , I can't beleive you would let a picture of such value go for just $40.99 , we all know Dave and we all know there is only one  Dave and we all love to get hammered  with his rude and unjust remarkes , but than again we have to realize (I can't spell} that Dave has put his all into keeping this hobby  fun and fruitfull and I must say I would not be  be on this  list if it were not for Dave's humor , Thanks Dave !
   

Rex Hinz
(skyl00p)




1                

From rex002 at centurytel.net  Mon Dec 26 11:50:11 2005
From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:50:11 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
Message-ID: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>

Ok List need your Help

  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap


Rex Hinz
Baraboo WI
Live with my Wife
I have Dogs
I sometimes don't (snipp)
I don't like cats
I love You Aussis
I like old engines
Beer is Good





From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 26 12:06:29 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:06:29 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
In-Reply-To: <001901c609cb$6b1fe020$d7e9123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F204177F341FAD0A392986CC8340@phx.gbl>

She loves it too Glenn! You did a fantastic job. Can someone send me an 
address to send a donation for the charity auction? It's only fair that her 
puzzle should have money donated to the auction.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===================

>From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
>
>Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.
>
>Glenn Karch
>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>Hercules Historian




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 12:30:44 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:30:44 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Common guys , buy Dave from me he's worth it
In-Reply-To: <000401c60a51$89a41b20$cad0fea9@ibm>
References: <000401c60a51$89a41b20$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512261230m125d959cnfe81bd25bd9b4b3b@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/05, Rex Hinz <rex002 at centurytel.net> wrote:
>  Comon guys , You better outbid me on Daves Picture , I can't beleive you would let a picture of such value go for just $40.99 , we all know Dave and we all know there is only one  Dave and we all love to get hammered  with his rude and unjust remarkes , but than again we have to realize (I can't spell} that Dave has put his all into keeping this hobby  fun and fruitfull and I must say I would not be  be on this  list if it were not for Dave's humor , Thanks Dave !
>
>
> Rex Hinz
> (skyl00p)

Looks like the listing has been removed:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:

Item Number - 7377132820
Item Title - Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag killer.

has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies.
Any offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null
and void. Because the auction was ended early, you as a bidder are not
required to complete the transaction. Since this is a listing
violation, the seller is free to relist the item in the proper format.
Should you wish to do so, you are free to bid on the item again if it
is relisted.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 12:30:57 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:30:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>
	<1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1135629057.43b053019938e@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Mike,

Nothing fancy at all.  I just put your email address "guitronics at comcast.net"
into Google.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>:

>    You got me, fair and square!
>          Bit of a geek,eh?
>                I might indeed post to "Broken Hearted Road" (Sonny 
> Landreth fan site), "Nuts and Volts forum",and SEL;if I thought it was 
> relevant.
>           So you have the "uncover the Bcc" tool?




From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 12:46:56 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:46:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F204177F341FAD0A392986CC8340@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F204177F341FAD0A392986CC8340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1135630016.43b056c0923d4@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Luke,

Based on how Brookie worked over those Cloistered Oyster Brothers, I think a
donation of about $500 would be appropriate.  8-)))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - WHATEVER is Glenn gonna do at Portland 2006 without Brookie bidding???

Quoting Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>:

> She loves it too Glenn! You did a fantastic job. Can someone send me an 
> address to send a donation for the charity auction? It's only fair that her 
> puzzle should have money donated to the auction.
> 
> ===================
> 
> >From: "Glenn A Karch" <glenn.karch at gte.net>
> >Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle box.



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 12:51:12 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:51:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
Message-ID: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>

OK Folks,

Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

----- Forwarded message from ended at ebay.com -----
    Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:27:50 PST
    From: ended at ebay.com
Reply-To: ended at ebay.com
 Subject: eBay Listing Removed (=LB &7212 JM5719075)
      To: fero_ah at city-net.com

Dear Arnold H. Fero (fero_ah at city-net.com),

Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:

Item Number - 7377132820
Item Title - Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag killer.

has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
Because the auction was ended early, you as a bidder are not required to
complete the transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free
to relist the item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free
to bid on the item again if it is relisted.

Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
locations:

  http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
  http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html

We thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Regards,

eBay Trust & Safety

----- End forwarded message -----





From Germoamer at aol.com  Mon Dec 26 13:15:17 2005
From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:15:17 EST
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
Message-ID: <2a2.2da2215.30e1b765@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/26/2005 10:04:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rotigel at alltel.net writes:

<< Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of 
 material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard.  >>

Even leather has been used.  Poster board is good and dense, can also split 
it to make thinner ones as needed.  I use it a lot.

Tom Schmutz
Concord, Va. USA
Germoamer at aol.com


From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 26 13:25:13 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:25:13 +0000
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512261325m7a32a6d6w2ec769a52afddd42@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/26/05, fero_ah at city-net.com <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:
> OK Folks,
>
> Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
> hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???
>
> Arnie Fero

Dunno, I was high bidder for all of 30 minutes then I got the same
notice that you did. I emailed Tommy so that he was aware of the
auction being pulled.

Probably something in the wording that an automated checker has picked up.

Can't believe it's Dave's  red braces.... :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 26 13:42:43 2005
From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:42:43 -0600
Subject: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine
References: <004501c609d9$cb11ea60$230110ac@PAUL>
	<43AFD817.5070305@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002801c60a65$4e7ac080$230110ac@PAUL>

Hello Mike,

I found a guy who had the complete set of the 1949 Popular Mechanics 
magazines and he checked them and it was not in them so I can eliminate 
Popular Mechanics. Thanks for the response.

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael P. Koryciak" <guitronics at comcast.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Help LOcating a Magazine


> Rules are made to sometimes be broken. I'm not old enough to remember this 
> magazine, but my best guess would be Popular Mechanics.
>




From plb at iinet.net.au  Mon Dec 26 13:43:27 2005
From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:43:27 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <4jms14$gfc6lv@iinet-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au>

If the rod is pure nickel its perfect Rex. If its got copper as well its
still good. If it's a stainless steel type rod its marginal. Vee out the
crack and heat it up a little and it's a easy job.If the crack is on the
bearing surface area you will get some distortion and may have to machine it
back round or do some careful hand work on it.
Ray Freeman
Perth W Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rex Hinz
Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2005 3:50 AM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap

Ok List need your Help

  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what I
thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2"
racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and come
to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to form in
the corner of my eyes as I walked
back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from
the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine over
at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the
Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast
iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap


Rex Hinz
Baraboo WI
Live with my Wife
I have Dogs
I sometimes don't (snipp)
I don't like cats
I love You Aussis
I like old engines
Beer is Good



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From lsain33 at charter.net  Mon Dec 26 14:16:59 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:16:59 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
Message-ID: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Hey Arnie,

I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
can't come out and say so.

Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA

PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 26 14:45:00 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:45:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <e9507509d48c554cdeba89236f0c4d56@chartertn.net>

eBay's into that ridiculous anti-violence, no weapons stuff. That's why 
they killed it, I bet.

John

On Dec 26, 2005, at 3:51 PM, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

> OK Folks,
>
> Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a 
> collective
> hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 14:54:25 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:54:25 -0700
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B074A1.4020305@earthlink.net>

 >ship<

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>OK Folks,
>
>Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
>hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>----- Forwarded message from ended at ebay.com -----
>    Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:27:50 PST
>    From: ended at ebay.com
>Reply-To: ended at ebay.com
> Subject: eBay Listing Removed (=LB &7212 JM5719075)
>      To: fero_ah at city-net.com
>
>Dear Arnold H. Fero (fero_ah at city-net.com),
>
>Please be aware that the following auction-style listing:
>
>Item Number - 7377132820
>Item Title - Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag killer.
>
>has been removed by eBay for violating of one or more of our policies. Any
>offers or bids placed on this auction-style listing are now null and void.
>Because the auction was ended early, you as a bidder are not required to
>complete the transaction. Since this is a listing violation, the seller is free
>to relist the item in the proper format. Should you wish to do so, you are free
>to bid on the item again if it is relisted.
>
>Please review eBay's Listing Policies and User Agreement at the following
>locations:
>
>  http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/policies.html
>  http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
>
>We thank you in advance for your cooperation.
>
>Regards,
>
>eBay Trust & Safety
>
>----- End forwarded message -----
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 14:57:21 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:57:21 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226175135.041c20f0@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rex,
         If memory serves me correctly someone on the List casts parts. I 
think the guy is located somewhere in North West Ohio--but I'm not sure. 
The List members for whom this guy has cast parts say that his work is good 
and his prices are reasonable. Perhaps someone on the List can help us 
recalling the guys name! I think that casting a replacement would be better 
that attempting to weld it.
         Dave


>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what 
> I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" 
> racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and 
> come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to 
> form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
>back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from 
>the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine 
>over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the 
>Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast 
>iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap
>Rex Hinz



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec 26 16:10:42 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:10:42 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
Message-ID: <43B08682.6060802@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 15:07:58 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:07:58 -0700
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <1135630272.43b057c05e5a2@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B077CE.601@earthlink.net>

OOPs!! Don't do e-mail till your fingers thaw out.

I don't think you can contact a human at e-bay. I've heard rumors that 
it is coming, but not in place. I've had no response to my complaints 
about the stolen pictures, so e-mail is also a waste of time. I wonder 
what rule the judge broke. Looked fine to me.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>OK Folks,
>
>Who has that "direct line to an eBay human" so that we can pitch a collective
>hissy fit over them killing the "Mad Man Maytag Killer" auction?
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - Wonder if they realize that they're dicking around with a judge???
>
>
>  
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 26 15:58:09 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
In-Reply-To: <43B08682.6060802@wightman.ca>
Message-ID: <20051226235809.64390.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Ariel's huh...this individual did not have, by any chance, and Vincents?  You know Black Lightning or Shadows?
  JM

Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca> wrote:  Hi Folks,

Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch


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From cgandree at mchsi.com  Mon Dec 26 16:08:10 2005
From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:08:10 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
Message-ID: <122720050008.10080.43B085EA0008C1150000276021979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>

Hi Dave,
Ok idea with the empty beer can material and didn't think of that. Guess I was 
trying to make it more complicated then needed be.  However, I switched from 
Old Mill to Miller Lite and don't believe the quality of metal is there.  Too 
bad you didn't live closer........  And sure do agree with the no plastic 
strip guage testing, they didn't have it back in 1910 when the engine was 
built.
Thankyou for the good info.

Where's the pics of your new Witte log saw that santa brought you???????????
Curt


> Hi Cure,
>          Shims were made (and can be made) out of many kinds of 
> material--metal, wood, gasket material and even cardboard. Many on the list 
> now prefer the "official" SEL shim stock--empty beer cans. This is not 
> really because the Al in beer cans is any better than any other material, 
> but rather because it's so much fun producing the shim stock.
>          In any event, start with an approximate amount of shim material 
> and tighten one of the caps down to the proper tightness. Try to turn the 
> flywheels. If they will not turn add another shin and try again. Repeat 
> this process until the flywheels turn easily. Then go to the other side and 
> do the same thing. If, on the other hand, the flywheels turn freely when 
> you start, remove one shim at a time (tightening the cap each time) until 
> the flywheels bind up--then add back the last shim that you removed.
>          I'm not sure what you mean by "make up new ones." I use a pair of 
> scissors. Good tin snips work well also. A hole punch of the proper size 
> for the studs helps a good bit. If I decided to use wooden shims I guess 
> that I would use a saw and drill press. Keep in mind that all of your shims 
> do not need to be the same thickness nor made out of the same material.
>          Dave
> PS, Anyone who suggests that you go to the auto store and purchase some 
> sort of material with which to measure (ie Plastagage [sp?]) does not 
> understand what it meant to own one of these engines in the teens or 20's!
> 
> At 06:25 AM 12/26/2005, you wrote:
> >How does one determine quantity of shims to use when replacing the bearing
> >caps over the crank shaft on a Sandwich 1 1/2hp. The shim stock on my engine
> >fell apart when soaking in solvent tank and I am trying to adjust the
> >tightness of the bearing caps.  Also any sugestions on how to make up new 
> >ones.
> >Any other engine Ive restored always made them out of metal and they were
> >easily saved.
> >thankyou in advance,
> >Curt Andree
> 
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Mon Dec 26 16:22:36 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:22:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
In-Reply-To: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <1135642956.43b0894c6b04a@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Larry,

Why should it matter to eBay WHAT the seller plans to do with the money?
Afterall, PETA was selling the "services" of their head beagle for a day and
everyone knows they put the proceeds toward ecoterrorism.  8-))

I'm shortly going to put a few items up for sale on eBay.  I plan to devote the
majority of the proceeds to good beer and bad women.  The rest I plan to waste.
 8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Quoting Larry Sain <lsain33 at charter.net>:

> I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
> Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
> one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
> members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
> their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
> can't come out and say so.



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 26 16:27:29 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:27:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
References: <200512261700.jBQH04um016838@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c60a7c$51fa2bd0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

>> I realize this is a whacky question, especially on
> Christmas 
>> Eve.  However.....
>>   do (any or all) of you small engine experts have any
> data 
>> as to the  "efficiency" of various stationary engines.
> This 
>> is not idle  curiousity...I do have a reason for wishing
> to know this.

http://www.metroexporters.com/pages/index.html


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Mon Dec 26 16:26:12 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:26:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
In-Reply-To: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
Message-ID: <43B08A24.7090405@scrtc.com>

I've been off the computer all day and just got the info on the auction 
being pulled.  But, you're right Larry, they sent me an email stating 
that it was pulled because ATIS was not one of their "approved" 
charities (we'd probably be surprised to know what some of the approved 
ones are).   I probably won't have time to relist it tonight but will 
soon and won't mention ATIS.  I'll simply say that the proceeds will be 
used for  a good cause.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Larry Sain wrote:

>Hey Arnie,
>
>I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
>Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
>one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
>members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
>their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
>can't come out and say so.
>
>Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
>
>PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!
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From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 26 16:34:59 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:34:59 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
References: <200512261700.jBQH04um016838@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <00b001c60a7d$5fdff3a0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

> As a test: What brand of beer do we drink??

Cold?  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

You ARE an Aussie! 8^)

ROFLMAO!!!!!


Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec 26 17:57:23 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:57:23 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
Message-ID: <43B09F83.6070108@wightman.ca>

Hi Folks,

Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.

Duncan

-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Mon Dec 26 16:53:49 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:53:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
Message-ID: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>


Can anyone tell me tell me who manufactures modern day stationary engines?



Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From lsain33 at charter.net  Mon Dec 26 16:54:15 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:54:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<1135642956.43b0894c6b04a@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <074901c60a80$0f7e60b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Yeah, makes no diff to me, if it's an item I like I'll bid.  But reading
some of the rules and prohibited items, I saw charity items prohibited.
Maybe it's a don't ask, don't tell situation.  All I know is that was a
prized item!

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo


> Hi Larry,
>
> Why should it matter to eBay WHAT the seller plans to do with the money?
> Afterall, PETA was selling the "services" of their head beagle for a day
and
> everyone knows they put the proceeds toward ecoterrorism.  8-))
>
> I'm shortly going to put a few items up for sale on eBay.  I plan to
devote the
> majority of the proceeds to good beer and bad women.  The rest I plan to
waste.
>  8-))
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Quoting Larry Sain <lsain33 at charter.net>:
>
> > I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
> > Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item
and
> > one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
> > members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
> > their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
> > can't come out and say so.
>
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From lsain33 at charter.net  Mon Dec 26 17:05:46 2005
From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:05:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<43B08A24.7090405@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <075a01c60a81$ab9a8f90$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>

Good show, Tommy.  Be sure to let us know the item #.

Larry, Politically incorrect again in Cat Square, NC


----- Original Message -----
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo


> I've been off the computer all day and just got the info on the auction
> being pulled.  But, you're right Larry, they sent me an email stating
> that it was pulled because ATIS was not one of their "approved"
> charities (we'd probably be surprised to know what some of the approved
> ones are).   I probably won't have time to relist it tonight but will
> soon and won't mention ATIS.  I'll simply say that the proceeds will be
> used for  a good cause.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Larry Sain wrote:
>
> >Hey Arnie,
> >
> >I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
> >Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item
and
> >one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
> >members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
> >their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
> >can't come out and say so.
> >
> >Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
> >
> >PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!
> >_______________________________________________
> >SEL mailing list
> >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Mon Dec 26 18:11:57 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:11:57 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Good Iron/Christmas Day
In-Reply-To: <20051226235809.64390.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051226235809.64390.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43B0A2ED.8040006@wightman.ca>

Hi James,

Nope. Just Ariel bikes. Must have been over 30 of them including Square 
Four's and Red Hunters.

Duncan


James Moran wrote:

>Ariel's huh...this individual did not have, by any chance, and Vincents?  You know Black Lightning or Shadows?
>  JM
>
>Duncan Denman <canuckiron at wightman.ca> wrote:  Hi Folks,
>
>Because Sandy was recovering from surgery, she stayed with a friend of 
>our who is into old tractors and engines. We ended up celebrating 
>Christmas there and having great time. He took me to a close neighbours 
>of his and I got to look at a large collection of vintage Ariel 
>motorcycles. Quite the extensive collection of some very rare 
>motorcycles. Great way to kill a couple of hours in the afternoon.
>
>Duncan
>
>  
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Dec 26 17:46:03 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:46:03 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
Message-ID: <013801c60a87$4befb060$0b151941@pengy>

Rex,

I could make a new bearing cap casting for you if you would like.  I would 
certainly feel safer with a good solid part instead of a welded repair, and 
I'm not saying that because I'm trying to drum up business.  I did a pair of 
bearing caps for Rick Strobel in Montana and you can ask him how they worked 
out and what you'll have to do to put the babbitt lining in the new cap. 
Contact me offlist if you're interested.  All I would ned would be the old 
cap as a pattern.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:50 PM
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap


Ok List need your Help

  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what I 
thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" 
racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and come 
to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to form in 
the corner of my eyes as I walked
back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from 
the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine over 
at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the 
Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast 
iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap


Rex Hinz
Baraboo WI
Live with my Wife
I have Dogs
I sometimes don't (snipp)
I don't like cats
I love You Aussis
I like old engines
Beer is Good



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From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Dec 26 17:47:31 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:47:31 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226175135.041c20f0@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <013d01c60a87$80767f30$0b151941@pengy>

Dave,

Your memory serves you pretty good!  Northwest Ohio is pretty close to 
Northeast Ohio, actually they are right next to each other!

Thanks

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap


> Hi Rex,
>         If memory serves me correctly someone on the List casts parts. I 
> think the guy is located somewhere in North West Ohio--but I'm not sure. 
> The List members for whom this guy has cast parts say that his work is 
> good and his prices are reasonable. Perhaps someone on the List can help 
> us recalling the guys name! I think that casting a replacement would be 
> better that attempting to weld it.
>         Dave
>
>
>>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to what 
>> I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy with my 2" 
>> racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a summersault and 
>> come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , Tears started to 
>> form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
>>back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water from 
>>the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the engine 
>>over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  Here is the 
>>Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have used it on cast 
>>iron with very good results but question the use on the main bearing cap
>>Rex Hinz
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Mon Dec 26 17:54:36 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:54:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo
References: <071b01c60a6a$179e76b0$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa>
	<43B08A24.7090405@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <015601c60a88$7db064e0$0b151941@pengy>

If you register with missionfish.org then you can become approved by ebay. 
I went through this with the Tod Engine Foundation last year and since then 
all listing fees for items sold on behalf of the Tod Engine are donated so 
every once and a shile I'll see a deposit to our checking account for the 
value of the listing fees.  It works pretty well.  Now I don't know if the 
ATIS Charity Auction has been incorporated and granted a tax exempt status, 
but if it hasn't and we want to continue the auction every year we should do 
that.  For organizations like the Tod Engine that recieve proceeds from the 
auction the tax returns I fill out want the EIN of the donor.  Maybe Spencer 
and I should have an offlist chat and set this stuff up if it isn't already.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Foundation
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
www.todengine.org

William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine
Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Maytag Killer Photo


> I've been off the computer all day and just got the info on the auction 
> being pulled.  But, you're right Larry, they sent me an email stating that 
> it was pulled because ATIS was not one of their "approved" charities (we'd 
> probably be surprised to know what some of the approved ones are).   I 
> probably won't have time to relist it tonight but will soon and won't 
> mention ATIS.  I'll simply say that the proceeds will be used for  a good 
> cause.
>
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
> Larry Sain wrote:
>
>>Hey Arnie,
>>
>>I think it was removed because Tommy was going to donate the $ to ATIS
>>Charity Auction.  I hope he lists it again since it is a valuable item and
>>one sure to generate a few well placed snipes at the end.  All the list
>>members know now where the funds are headed so it can be listed to meet
>>their (ebay's) criterion and still make some money for ATIS.  Tommy just
>>can't come out and say so.
>>
>>Larry in Cat Square, NC, USA
>>
>>PS  Gee, I hope this doesn't go on Tommy's PERMANENT RECORD!!
>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 18:17:13 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:17:13 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <013d01c60a87$80767f30$0b151941@pengy>
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226175135.041c20f0@mail.alltel.net>
	<013d01c60a87$80767f30$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226211637.04081798@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rick, ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew that!
         Dave

At 08:47 PM 12/26/2005, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Your memory serves you pretty good!  Northwest Ohio is pretty close to 
>Northeast Ohio, actually they are right next to each other!
>
>Thanks
>
>Rick
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" <rotigel at alltel.net>
>To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 5:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
>
>
>>Hi Rex,
>>         If memory serves me correctly someone on the List casts parts. I 
>> think the guy is located somewhere in North West Ohio--but I'm not sure. 
>> The List members for whom this guy has cast parts say that his work is 
>> good and his prices are reasonable. Perhaps someone on the List can help 
>> us recalling the guys name! I think that casting a replacement would be 
>> better that attempting to weld it.
>>         Dave
>>
>>
>>>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to 
>>> what I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy 
>>> with my 2" racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a 
>>> summersault and come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , 
>>> Tears started to form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
>>>back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water 
>>>from the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the 
>>>engine over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was 
>>>cracked'  Here is the Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? 
>>>I have used it on cast iron with very good results but question the use 
>>>on the main bearing cap
>>>Rex Hinz
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>SEL mailing list
>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 18:39:15 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:39:15 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
In-Reply-To: <013801c60a87$4befb060$0b151941@pengy>
References: <002401c60a55$970c4720$cad0fea9@ibm>
	<013801c60a87$4befb060$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <43B0A953.2010109@earthlink.net>

Rick Rowlands work is first rate, and that is from experience. Repair or 
new is up to you, but I wouldn't hesitate to have him cast a new part 
for me. Hell, he already did. :-))

Jeff
48 F here Dave

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Rick Rowlands wrote:

> Rex,
>
> I could make a new bearing cap casting for you if you would like.  I 
> would certainly feel safer with a good solid part instead of a welded 
> repair, and I'm not saying that because I'm trying to drum up 
> business.  I did a pair of bearing caps for Rick Strobel in Montana 
> and you can ask him how they worked out and what you'll have to do to 
> put the babbitt lining in the new cap. Contact me offlist if you're 
> interested.  All I would ned would be the old cap as a pattern.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" <rex002 at centurytel.net>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 2:50 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
>
>
> Ok List need your Help
>
>  On the way home from the Baraboo show I tied all my engines down to 
> what I thought was secure , but my 1-1/2 Hp simplicty was not happy 
> with my 2" racthet strap going over his hopper and decided to do a 
> summersault and come to lay on his back amounst three other engines , 
> Tears started to form in the corner of my eyes as I walked
> back to check out the dammage , I found none other than all the water 
> from the hopper dripping out the bottom of the trailer, I looked the 
> engine over at home and found the right mai bearig cap was cracked'  
> Here is the Question +++ can I weld the cap with nickel rod ? I have 
> used it on cast iron with very good results but question the use on 
> the main bearing cap
>
>
> Rex Hinz
> Baraboo WI
> Live with my Wife
> I have Dogs
> I sometimes don't (snipp)
> I don't like cats
> I love You Aussis
> I like old engines
> Beer is Good
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Mon Dec 26 18:43:20 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:43:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Modern stationary engine makers
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <75abe20aff9ba9afc28f66eeb195ea70@chartertn.net>

There are a whole bunch of Indian makers of Listeroids and Petterlings.

I'm not sure what the current status is of Arrow Engineering and their 
Witte Diesel and gas engine clones. A few years ago Bell Manufacturing 
was advertising new Fairbanks-Morse ZCs and I priced their ~7.5HP (?206 
cid, I forget) and was quoted $5000 for anew one and $3000 for a nice 
rebuilt old Fairbanks-Morse. The Listeroids are a bit more affordable.

John

On Dec 26, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Jim wrote:

>
> Can anyone tell me tell me who manufactures modern day stationary 
> engines?


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rsrolfne at atnet.net  Mon Dec 26 19:13:01 2005
From: rsrolfne at atnet.net (Bob W7AVK)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:13:01 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Fw: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
References: <00cd01c60a80$0009c610$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>
Message-ID: <43B0B13D.5010107@atnet.net>

Jim - Might check out http://www.arrowengine.com/cseries.htm

Regards,

Bob R.
Moses Lake, WA, USA

Jim wrote:

> 
> Can anyone tell me tell me who manufactures modern day stationary engines?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim (From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
> marshallman at iprimus.com.au
> 8^)
> 
> I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!
> 
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> 
> 



From rotigel at alltel.net  Mon Dec 26 19:13:48 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:13:48 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Eng bearing cap info needed
In-Reply-To: <002401c60a50$a7dbd020$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
References: <122620051125.4964.43AFD334000E2A560000136421979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051226091757.0229bdb8@mail.alltel.net>
	<002401c60a50$a7dbd020$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226220606.04072ae8@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Charlie,
>Dave,  Aren't all beer cans practically the same thickness?

While this is true the shim stock made from Old Mil cans is vastly superior 
to all the rest!

>What about the ones before the days they started making them out of AL?

Steel cans will work well, but are much harder to cut than those made from 
AL. Besides, you and I are among the few on the List who are old enough to 
remember steel beer cans--and you are the only one who still has some saved 
in your basement!

>  Isn't Mr. Andree's first name spelled Curt?

Yes, my BAD. I should not try to use my keyboard before 11;00 in the morning!

>  Have you been making shim stock lately?

Yes, but not before 11:00 in the morning. As Arnie is prone to say "It's 
after 5:00 someplace in the world all the time!"

>Charlie Bryant
         Dave



From rdhaskell at juno.com  Mon Dec 26 19:54:26 2005
From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:54:26 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Cracked main bearing cap
Message-ID: <20051226.195426.1088.0.rdhaskell@juno.com>

Hi Rick.
Isn't North central Ohio in between them?

Ron Haskell
rdhaskell at juno.com
Riverside, California
USA
http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:47:31 -0500 "Rick Rowlands"
<jrrowlands at neo.rr.com> writes:
> Dave,
> 
> Your memory serves you pretty good!  Northwest Ohio is pretty close 
> to 
> Northeast Ohio, actually they are right next to each other!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rick


From transteck at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 26 20:48:41 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:48:41 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
Message-ID: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

It cost me a three dollar bid to get this info. The e-mail address for 
the low rent bastard stealing photos and selling them is:
homereyeball at aol.com

What you do with this information is entirely up to you.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Mon Dec 26 21:24:33 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:24:33 -0800
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <e9507509d48c554cdeba89236f0c4d56@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <026e01c60aa5$d3a90970$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> eBay's into that ridiculous anti-violence, no weapons
stuff. 
> That's why they killed it, I bet.
> 
> John


Hi John, 
Here's what ebay says:

"Services that are illegal, sexual in nature or that violate
eBay's User Agreement."

What red-blooded lass could view that picture of Dave with
his devilish smile and those bootylishus jeans and not feel
a little... "sexual in nature?"






From guitronics at comcast.net  Tue Dec 27 04:43:15 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:43:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Listeroids Australia
Message-ID: <43B136E3.90009@comcast.net>

http://members.dodo.com.au/~sam_warne/

http://utterpower.com/metex_twin.htm

http://utterpower.com/

   These links should get you started....efficiency graph given for a 6HP.

A Bunch of info on Diesels,and an Australian source.

                    mike


From guitronics at comcast.net  Tue Dec 27 04:59:30 2005
From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:59:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Good Will Hunting HO HO HO
In-Reply-To: <1135629057.43b053019938e@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <000001c608ec$c9c6a260$62bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>	<43AE6498.7040602@comcast.net>	<1135557000.43af3988bf3a2@webmail.city-net.com>	<43AF6D50.3000401@comcast.net>
	<1135629057.43b053019938e@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B13AB2.9070405@comcast.net>

Well....I'm in a bunch of other forums/lists.Yahoo Cordwood 
(homebuilders),Slick,libranet users, libranet o-t,and to a lesser 
extent,other lists;such as the PS400 forum.

                mike


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 27 06:58:03 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 09:58:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
References: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512270952050.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jeff,

There's another twist on the "Low Rent Bastard" concept playing on eBay.
This LRB is selling Wendel's newly printed BYB for about double what
Wendel charges.  And to keep good engine folks from tipping off his
victims, he runs the auction with "Private Bidders".  No one can see who
is bidding or contact the bidders.  Sweet scam 'eh?  Where would we be
without those lovely Low Rent Bastards?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Jeff Allen wrote:

> It cost me a three dollar bid to get this info. The e-mail address for
> the low rent bastard stealing photos and selling them is:
> homereyeball at aol.com



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 27 08:32:31 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:32:31 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Engine-related Xmas pressies
Message-ID: <6f6025160512270832t35d1ea42t643389bc6083d908@mail.gmail.com>

In amongst the usual Xmas presents that came my way this year were a
couple that shone out:

Fred Dibnah's "Made in Britain" DVD, episodes 1-6 of the last TV
series that he did. Great watching, eventually we were all engrossed!

Machinery's Handbook 5th Edition - shows that my eldest Son has a
fine-tuned sense of the 'correct' present for his father!

What did the other List folks get this year that was engine-related? 
(self-bought pressies don't apply, Dave....)

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 08:38:37 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:38:37 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
Message-ID: <23b.45df222.30e2c80d@aol.com>

Hi,
The Cushman Cub manual, I have, doesn't contain the  specifications for the 
exhaust valve tappet clearance.  On my engine, the  valve stem clearance seems 
to be excessive (about .200).  What is the  correct clearance?
 
 
Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA


From jerrye at databak.co.za  Tue Dec 27 10:40:25 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:40:25 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
In-Reply-To: <200512271700.jBRH05ZG014087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20051227203803.00a86718@mail.cyberserv.co.za>

At 12:00 PM 27/12/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Message: 46
>Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:38:37 EST
>From: FRM8198 at aol.com
>Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
>To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>Message-ID: <23b.45df222.30e2c80d at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Hi,
>The Cushman Cub manual, I have, doesn't contain the  specifications for the
>exhaust valve tappet clearance.  On my engine, the  valve stem clearance 
>seems
>to be excessive (about .200).  What is the  correct clearance?
>Francis  Maciel

Hi Francis,
         My Massey Harris  (rebadged Cushman Cub) shows .015 for Exhaust 
clearance.

         I'm mailing a copy of the manual to you off list - hope it is 
useful. It is just under 1 Megabyte - hope I do not jam up your email.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From oldengin at verizon.net  Tue Dec 27 10:45:53 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:45:53 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT model, she is NICE
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512270952050.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512270952050.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B18BE1.80909@verizon.net>

It is hard to beleive you can not have her between your legs!
http://www.ronsmodelengines.com/   go to engines and to his newest for the sound



-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From FRM8198 at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 11:21:40 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:40 EST
Subject: [SEL] Cushman Exhaust Valve Stem Clearance
Message-ID: <250.3dba8d8.30e2ee44@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 12/27/2005 11:12:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jerrye at databak.co.za writes:

My Massey Harris  (rebadged Cushman Cub) shows .015 for Exhaust  
clearance.

I'm mailing a copy of  the manual to you off list - hope it is 
useful. It is just under 1  Megabyte - hope I do not jam up your email.


Hi Jerry,
Thanks for the fast response.
Just got the copy of your manual.  This document has more data  than the one 
I just purchased.  Again thanks.
The exhaust clearance you have sent seems to be more in tune with  the 
specifications with which I am familiar.
I also like the detail with how to set the magneto timing.  I  think I have 
to make an adjusting part for the magneto trip lever.   The one on my engine 
doesn't appear to be the correct one even though I can get  it to run.  

Francis  Maciel
514 E. Taft 
Santa Maria, CA  93454



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 27 11:21:06 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Mad Man Maytag Killer (from eBay)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512271418110.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

Whoever it was who guessed that eBay killed it for the use of the words
"ATIS Charity Auction" hit it right on the money.

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:19:59 -0800
From: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp at ebay.com>
To: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
Subject: EN62821 LP Response to your email concerning eBay's listing
    policies.  (KMM198976629V32405L0KM)

Hello Arnie,

Thank you for taking the time to write eBay with your concerns. My name
is Andra and I'm happy to help you further.

I've reviewed your listing, "Antique Hit Miss Engine, Mad Man Maytag
killer," item 7377132820, and it contained the following information:

"Checks are to be made to ATIS Charity Auction and all proceeds will be
donated to that charity."

Arnie, eBay encourages community members to be active in supporting
charitable endeavors. Because charitable fundraising is a highly
regulated area subject to numerous state and federal laws, eBay has
partnered with MissionFish to make charitable listing easy and has
created very specific guidelines for allowing charitable solicitations
on eBay. We will allow sellers to list items on eBay and collect
proceeds (in whole or in part) on behalf of a charity, either via
MissionFish, or directly on eBay, as long as the listings meet these
guidelines. We hope that these guidelines will help you to have a safe
and successful trading experience on eBay, and we will remove listings
that do not comply with these standards.

Guidelines for MissionFish listings:
*Sellers may only list items via MissionFish on eBay that meet the
MissionFish listing guidelines, including the guidelines designed to
obtain advance consent from the charities.
*Sellers may only solicit on behalf of recognized charitable
organizations registered with MissionFish.

Guidelines for Non-MissionFish listings
*Sellers may only list items on behalf of a charity if the charity has
provided advance written consent for the solicitation. To prove that you
have obtained that consent, you must include a scanned copy of the
consent in the listing.
*Sellers may only solicit on behalf of recognized 501c3 or 501c4
charitable organizations

To learn more about Charity Listings, please go to this page:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/fundraising.html

For a better understanding of our listing guidelines and how they affect
the way you list your items, please visit the following URL:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html

It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing eBay. Thank you
for being a valuable member of the eBay community. Have a wonderful time
shopping and selling on eBay throughout the New Year!

Regards,

Andra
Community Watch Team
eBay Trust & Safety
_____________________________________________



From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec 27 12:13:56 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:13:56 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
Message-ID: <43B1A084.6050104@imc-group.com>

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.html

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Russell, Kerry, John, it may have been 46 in Mildura but I still 
ain't gettin' in the hot tub with a bunch of naked Aussie blokes!!!


From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 12:39:49 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:39:49 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <43B1A084.6050104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <000601c60b25$af588f70$92bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>

Very nice and I enjoyed them and I'm sure the other members enjoyed them.
Lyle Myles/ NW Ohio/ McGuffey

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:14 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.htm
l

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Russell, Kerry, John, it may have been 46 in Mildura but I still 
ain't gettin' in the hot tub with a bunch of naked Aussie blokes!!!
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From curt at imc-group.com  Tue Dec 27 12:45:35 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:45:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B1A7EF.1020506@imc-group.com>

Oh PLLEEEAAAASSSSEEEE Steve! Everyone in this part of NC has caught on 
to the racket you Oyster Crackers are running. Hammer wielding Steve 
builds these gargantuan houses that consume vast quantities of oil to 
heat them. The closing arrangements have your brother Mike in a 
contractual arrangement to supply heating oil to those same houses. Hell 
everyone in Shelby knows the beaming smile on Mike's face is in inverse 
proportion to the outdoor temperature. The colder, the bigger the smile.
Want proof?
Last year it was a balmy 60 F for the New Year's Day crankup. No oil 
being consumed by Steve's mansions. Now here are the Oyster Crackers 
driving a Rumley tractor, which would put one hell of a smile on any 
engine guy's face.
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2004/P1010072c.html

You see any smiles??? The overwhelming sense of lost heating oil income 
was completely obliterating the fun they should have been having.
:-)
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC



Steve Royster wrote:

> Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil 
> baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver. 




From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 13:35:39 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:35:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <000601c60b25$af588f70$92bb5904@lyle0592c054dd>
Message-ID: <20051227213539.28482.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

This is truly off topic.  However, I would be  interested in hearing from you folks scattered about the  landscape...when was the last time you saw someone hitch hiking?  
  
  JM

Lyle Myles <lyle45859 at earthlink.net> wrote:  Very nice and I enjoyed them and I'm sure the other members enjoyed them.
Lyle Myles/ NW Ohio/ McGuffey

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:14 PM
To: SEL; SEL (Oldengine.org)
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.htm
l

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

P.S. Russell, Kerry, John, it may have been 46 in Mildura but I still 
ain't gettin' in the hot tub with a bunch of naked Aussie blokes!!!
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From steve_royster at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 27 14:31:04 2005
From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:31:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051226103415.02176e88@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F1856D3B5F1AE743271DB1495370@phx.gbl>

And I haven't been able to sleep knowing how much that little girl cost me 
to buy a PUZZLE!   Steve Royster , the poor oyster brother


>From: Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>Subject: Re: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer/Cute Little Girl
>Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:38:53 -0500
>
>Hi Glenn,
>         This is, indeed, good news! I have not gotten a proper nights 
>sleep since Portland. Nightmares of that incident and the tears running 
>down her sad little face have haunted my sleep for almost 5 months now. At 
>last I will be able to sleep the whole night through again! Thanks!
>         Dave
>
>At 10:21 PM 12/25/2005, you wrote:
>>Don't worry, that cute little girl has received her custom made puzzle 
>>box.
>>
>>Glenn Karch
>>Haubstadt, IN, USA
>>Hercules Historian
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Larry Sain" <lsain33 at charter.net>
>>To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 12:50 PM
>>Subject: [SEL] Mildly OT/ATIS Charity/Maytag Killer
>>
>>
>> > Dave wrote:  No worries Larry, I understand that they ONLY bid against
>>CUTE
>> > LITTLE GIRLS!
>> >          Dave
>> >
>> > You're right Dave, I remember that shameful incident.
>> >
>> > Larry
>
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From mr at carolina.rr.com  Tue Dec 27 14:27:00 2005
From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:27:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers
References: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl>
	<43B1A7EF.1020506@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <001101c60b34$a7c442e0$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>

Leave it to an engineer to over-analyze the situation.  Steve is big-time
contractor,  I merely sell a little gas and oil.  I am smiling as I drive
the Rumely, that is my "happy face"!!!!

MR Oyster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" <curt at imc-group.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers


> Oh PLLEEEAAAASSSSEEEE Steve! Everyone in this part of NC has caught on
> to the racket you Oyster Crackers are running. Hammer wielding Steve
> builds these gargantuan houses that consume vast quantities of oil to
> heat them. The closing arrangements have your brother Mike in a
> contractual arrangement to supply heating oil to those same houses. Hell
> everyone in Shelby knows the beaming smile on Mike's face is in inverse
> proportion to the outdoor temperature. The colder, the bigger the smile.
> Want proof?
> Last year it was a balmy 60 F for the New Year's Day crankup. No oil
> being consumed by Steve's mansions. Now here are the Oyster Crackers
> driving a Rumley tractor, which would put one hell of a smile on any
> engine guy's face.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2004/P1010072c.html
>
> You see any smiles??? The overwhelming sense of lost heating oil income
> was completely obliterating the fun they should have been having.
> :-)
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
> > Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil
> > baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver.
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
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>




From solarrog at pacbell.net  Tue Dec 27 14:45:58 2005
From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:45:58 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Royster Crackers & tractors, 
References: <BAY108-F17FDC965573E890E7E44AD95350@phx.gbl><43B1A7EF.1020506@imc-group.com>
	<001101c60b34$a7c442e0$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <011701c60b37$4fe6cb30$c84f8347@D6R3D961>

Thats a great picture, If there wasnt a  description I would say the engine 
just made a funny sound and they all just looked at it.  Kind of a look of 
concern.

Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate,
The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca
Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc
Collector of cool antique engines,
vintage motorscooters. F.F.L.of C&R
Website; scrapologist.com
Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ

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>
>
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:02:01 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:02:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks
  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. Interesting and informative.
  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 


		
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:36:33 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:36:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers
In-Reply-To: <001101c60b34$a7c442e0$9c6f8645@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20051227233633.63412.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

MR-
  You say that you sell gas/oil.  This interests me for personal  reasons...something in which, just perhaps, you'll have a special  interest.  Please contact me off group at jrmoraninc at yahoo.com
  Thanks.
  JM

Mike Royster <mr at carolina.rr.com> wrote:  Leave it to an engineer to over-analyze the situation.  Steve is big-time
contractor,  I merely sell a little gas and oil.  I am smiling as I drive
the Rumely, that is my "happy face"!!!!

MR Oyster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Boy are we stoopid!!/ Oyster Crackers


> Oh PLLEEEAAAASSSSEEEE Steve! Everyone in this part of NC has caught on
> to the racket you Oyster Crackers are running. Hammer wielding Steve
> builds these gargantuan houses that consume vast quantities of oil to
> heat them. The closing arrangements have your brother Mike in a
> contractual arrangement to supply heating oil to those same houses. Hell
> everyone in Shelby knows the beaming smile on Mike's face is in inverse
> proportion to the outdoor temperature. The colder, the bigger the smile.
> Want proof?
> Last year it was a balmy 60 F for the New Year's Day crankup. No oil
> being consumed by Steve's mansions. Now here are the Oyster Crackers
> driving a Rumley tractor, which would put one hell of a smile on any
> engine guy's face.
>
http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2004/P1010072c.html
>
> You see any smiles??? The overwhelming sense of lost heating oil income
> was completely obliterating the fun they should have been having.
> :-)
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
>
>
>
> Steve Royster wrote:
>
> > Hey Larry, Ya gotta remember only ONE of the Oyster Brothers is an oil
> > baron, the other one is a poor old nail driver.
>
>
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> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>


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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:39:20 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:39:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

SEL Group-
  A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through the investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
  I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  there is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  assure you) that there is no collective interest in this effort?
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Folks
  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. Interesting and informative.
  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 15:40:11 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:40:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051227234011.61433.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

"The wheel in the sky keeps on turning.  I don't know where I'll be tomorrow"
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Folks
  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. Interesting and informative.
  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 27 16:01:39 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:01:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] eBay KILLED Dave !!!!
In-Reply-To: <026e01c60aa5$d3a90970$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <026e01c60aa5$d3a90970$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <5c9c5f29a603c2a57e5a7782e20a9a3f@chartertn.net>

On Dec 27, 2005, at 12:24 AM, Rob Skinner wrote:

> What red-blooded lass could view that picture of Dave with
> his devilish smile and those bootylishus jeans and not feel
> a little... "sexual in nature?"

Hmmm, sounds like you're in touch with your feminine side, Rob.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Tue Dec 27 15:56:21 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:56:21 +0800
Subject: [SEL] sel   Flywheels
Message-ID: <002501c60b41$26bd0760$dd2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>

Reg .....I have followed the saga of your flywheels. It is hard to
understand this man whatever his name is. Why would he do this ,is supplying
castings part of his day to day business?Has he taken a distinct dislike to
you ,have others suffered the same treatment?It seems he is a bible thumper, 
they are the worst. I sympathise with you Reg .....times like this one could 
commit murder. Apart from paying him a visit and having a quite word I don't 
have a solution Lets have his email and perhaps we could all have a word 
with him!
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 27 16:29:53 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:29:53 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512271310010.4634@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>

Hi Arnie,

I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books. There 
was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he was doing. 
I believe this is the guy:

http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817

He sells at Portland and other places around his area.

http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343

Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

===================

>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
>Hi Carl,
>
>As far as eBay is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what the guy is
>doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping off other
>engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>
>Here's the text of his auction:
>
>    AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel
>
>    This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
>    Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
>    It has 584 page with many many pictures.
>
>    This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
>    Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
>    olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
>    This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
>    It is perfect because it is new.
>
>    This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>    interferr with my bidders.
>
>As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
>basic English.
>
>If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>
>He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (twice what Wendel charges).
>In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.
>
>It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
>ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
>other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
>his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))
>
>Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
>"hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
>too slimy for me to deal with.
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
>offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com
>




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Tue Dec 27 16:34:25 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:34:25 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c60b46$74e44110$0b151941@pengy>

Its Christmastime and many of us are otherwise occupied.  I don't actually 
remember reading your post.

Rick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


> SEL Group-
>  A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through the 
> investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
>  I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  there 
> is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  assure you) 
> that there is no collective interest in this effort?
>  JM
>
> "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi Folks
>  I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. 
> Interesting and informative.
>  http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
>  Ron
>
>
>
> Ron Frost
> Kersey, PA
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0
>
>  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846
>
> " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "
>
>
>
>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 27 17:12:48 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:12:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
References: <20051227213539.28482.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003301c60b4b$d2f80480$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Aint any point hitchin if you realise folk are afraid!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>


...when was the last time you saw someone hitch hiking?  




From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 27 17:16:50 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:16:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051227230201.53135.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051227201539.0249c758@mail.alltel.net>

At 06:02 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks
>   I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. 
> Interesting and informative.
>   http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
>   Ron

Hi Ron, When you put the pictures up for auction on e-bay be sure to give 
Rob and kelley credit for them!
         Dave 



From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Tue Dec 27 17:25:20 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:25:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] sel   Flywheels
References: <002501c60b41$26bd0760$dd2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <000e01c60b4d$970607e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

Hi mate. Hang off for a bit. Things are being worked on. It aint over by a
long shot!
I can handle being shat on but when they pull out my hair to wipe their
arse, I get up and start swinging!!
There are quite a lot of others who aint happy with him. We have been in 
touch after the ad one of them put in GEM..

Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:56 AM
Subject: [SEL] sel Flywheels


> Reg .....I have followed the saga of your flywheels. It is hard to
> understand this man whatever his name is. Why would he do this ,is
> supplying
> castings part of his day to day business?Has he taken a distinct dislike
> to
> you ,have others suffered the same treatment?It seems he is a bible
> thumper, they are the worst. I sympathise with you Reg .....times like
> this one could commit murder. Apart from paying him a visit and having a
> quite word I don't have a solution Lets have his email and perhaps we
> could all have a word with him!
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>
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From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net  Tue Dec 27 17:25:36 2005
From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:25:36 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
Message-ID: <002801c60b4d$9e0123e0$5f610b42@computer>

Luke.
   I know Jon and would be surprised if he is scamming people.    I only
know him from engine auctions and shows.  He is an engines jockey as he buys
and sells but the sales I've witnessed of his seem equitable.   George F.
Armstrong
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com>
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:58 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low rent Bastard


>Hi Arnie,
>
>I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books.
There
>was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he was doing.
>I believe this is the guy:
>
>http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817
>
>He sells at Portland and other places around his area.
>
>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343
>
>Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???
>
>Luke Tonneberger
>Rockford, Michigan
>USA
>
>===================
>
>>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>
>>Hi Carl,
>>
>>As far as eBay is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what the guy is
>>doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping off other
>>engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>>
>>Here's the text of his auction:
>>
>>    AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel
>>
>>    This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
>>    Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
>>    It has 584 page with many many pictures.
>>
>>    This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
>>    Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
>>    olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
>>    This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
>>    It is perfect because it is new.
>>
>>    This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>>    interferr with my bidders.
>>
>>As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
>>basic English.
>>
>>If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>>
>>He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (twice what Wendel charges).
>>In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.
>>
>>It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
>>ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
>>other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
>>his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))
>>
>>Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
>>"hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
>>too slimy for me to deal with.
>>
>>See ya,  Arnie
>>
>>PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
>>offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>>
>>Arnie Fero
>>Pittsburgh, PA
>>fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>
>
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Tue Dec 27 17:41:00 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:41:00 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051227233920.80672.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f9fb3228269c5cf9259766bb73210add@chartertn.net>

Well, from my own viewpoint, (1) there's not much hope of greatly 
improving the efficiency of an IHC M, the compression ratio being the 
principle determinant of efficiency and the M's design and mode of 
operation not lending itself well to a great increase in compression, 
and (2) it's a collectible antique. I like to keep those original and 
not modify them in ways that aren't easily reversible. The engines and 
the major parts like carburetors and magnetos aren't made anymore, and 
modifications of them are going to "mess them up" in the eyes of future 
collectors.

I'd recommend trying to work on the efficiency of something like a 
modern Briggs & Stratton or Tecumseh go-kart engine. They're typical of 
small engines widely used in modern farm and garden equipment. You'll 
find a lot of information and helpful resources from the folks who race 
them. :-)

John

On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:39 PM, James Moran wrote:

> SEL Group-
>   A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through 
> the investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
>   I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  
> there is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  
> assure you) that there is no collective interest in this effort?
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 17:39:47 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:39:47 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Low rent Bastard --- UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
References: <43B0C7A9.7080002@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <43B1ECE3.4060904@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

 >snip<

> It cost me a three dollar bid to get this info.


This just hit my mailbox. Turns out the information was free. :-))
 >snip<

>Dear Jeffrey G. Allen (transteck at earthlink.net),
>
>The following listing:
>
>7574745491 - 12 HP MULE HIT AND MISS PHOTO PRINT (free shipping)
>
>has been removed from eBay for violating eBay policy.  Since this listing was removed, you are not required to complete the transaction.
>
>For a complete list of eBay?s policies, please visit:  
>
>http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/item_allowed.html 
>
>Regards,
>
>Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
>eBay Inc
>  
>
For those with images listed that were taken from your site contact 
e-bay. I will forward that off list to a couple folks. They DO want to 
hear from you if someone is stealing your stuff.

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/






From jlb94 at juno.com  Tue Dec 27 17:51:08 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:51:08 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures.
Message-ID: <20051227.205349.852.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Jim,

It's been years - But I haven't been driving morning (to) & night (from)
like I used to.

Plus - I would guess there isn't much need for a person to hitch-hike any
more.

Most kids git a car as soon as they git a license - or - have friends
that have one.

Plus - I wouldn't be suprised if it weren't "illegal".

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 18:09:25 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:09:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051227201539.0249c758@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051228020925.20393.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hum, hadn't thought of puting it on ebay. Maybe I could sell it for a BIG buck.
  Nah, guess I won't
  Ron

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:
  At 06:02 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Folks
> I was doing a little internet searching and ran across this website. 
> Interesting and informative.
> http://rustyiron.com/engines/flywheel/index.html
> Ron

Hi Ron, When you put the pictures up for auction on e-bay be sure to give 
Rob and kelley credit for them!
Dave 

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Kersey, PA
 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0

  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

" Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise "

 


		
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From aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Dec 27 18:12:03 2005
From: aenus_mcshite at yahoo.co.uk (Aenus McShite)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:12:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <002801c60b4d$9e0123e0$5f610b42@computer>
Message-ID: <20051228021203.97220.qmail@web26306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Well, the id history for "hitmissengine", shows that
he changed his handle from jon-rozenvink on 5 January
05.
I know this guy, too. He is in it to make a buck, any
way he can. One of his buddies has been selling repro
yellow dogs, being careful not to tell you that it is
a repro.
The hobby has always had shit-heels like this, they
come and go.
I think this kid is making a name for himself that he
will not live down.
I haven't been following this thread real close. Is he
the one selling prints of stolen web pics? If so,
perhaps someone needs to cross post this to Harry's.
Love,
Aenus McShite
--- George wrote:

>    I know Jon and would be surprised if he is
> scamming people.    I only
> know him from engine auctions and shows.  He is an
> engines jockey as he buys
> and sells but the sales I've witnessed of his seem
> equitable.


		
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Tue Dec 27 18:29:43 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:29:43 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>

No Luke,  Jon isn't the print seller.  His ebay handle is 
"hitmissengine" and the guy selling the prints is "simpson52".  Jon does 
sell some of Wendel's reprint books but I really wouldn't call it a 
scam.  He's put them on ebay and many have brought over $100.  He states 
in his ad that they are new and aren't the early '83 version.  Its 
always "buyer beware" when purchasing on ebay.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Arnie,
>
> I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books. 
> There was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he 
> was doing. I believe this is the guy:
>
> http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817
>
> He sells at Portland and other places around his area.
>
> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343
>
> Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>
> ===================
>
>> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>>
>> Hi Carl,
>>
>> As far as eBay is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what the guy is
>> doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping off 
>> other
>> engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>>
>> Here's the text of his auction:
>>
>>    AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel
>>
>>    This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
>>    Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
>>    It has 584 page with many many pictures.
>>
>>    This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
>>    Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
>>    olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
>>    This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
>>    It is perfect because it is new.
>>
>>    This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>>    interferr with my bidders.
>>
>> As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
>> basic English.
>>
>> If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>>
>> He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (twice what Wendel charges).
>> In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.
>>
>> It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
>> ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
>> other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
>> his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))
>>
>> Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
>> "hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
>> too slimy for me to deal with.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
>> offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
>>
>
>
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From lyle45859 at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 18:40:45 2005
From: lyle45859 at earthlink.net (Lyle Myles)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:40:45 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <003301c60b4b$d2f80480$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>
Message-ID: <000001c60b58$1b5b1760$94e0fc04@lyle0592c054dd>

Who could afford gas to go out and look!
Lyle Myles

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:13 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 

Aint any point hitchin if you realise folk are afraid!!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>


...when was the last time you saw someone hitch hiking?  


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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Tue Dec 27 19:25:45 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:25:45 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051228020925.20393.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <031b01c60b5e$65f76020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Hum, hadn't thought of puting it on ebay. Maybe I could
sell 
> it for a BIG buck.  Nah, guess I won't
>   Ron

Hi Ron, 
You should.  I hear the guy who runs the web page is a real
jerk.  

Right after he paid dearly for the book on eBay, he offered
to print up about 20 copies and asked the Engine List if
anyone was interested in splitting the cost 20 ways.
Somebody had a fit and accused him of profiteering.  

He didn't really understand the charges leveled against him,
as he already had an original copy and was merely offering
to share it.  Anyway, he got mad and no one got a copy of
the book.  

Time passed, the bitterness subsided, and eventually the
book was made available in pdf format.  You can get your
very own copy at 
http://literature.rustyiron.com







From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 27 19:33:57 2005
From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:33:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction?  What Happened?
In-Reply-To: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <20051228033357.89576.qmail@web31313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Howdy folks,
   
  Why is the auction so dead this year?
   
  I am the current care taker of the Blue Handled Fence Pliers.
  I won't put them out there to be so lonely. (and sell for peanuts)
  I guess I will have to send them along to the Portland auction in August.
  They have a nice wooden box to rest in now.
   
  Alan Bowen
  Williamsburg, Michigan

		
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Tue Dec 27 19:46:04 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:46:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <031b01c60b5e$65f76020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <20051228020925.20393.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<031b01c60b5e$65f76020$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051227224153.02559408@mail.alltel.net>

Hi Rob,
         You have such a nice way of saying "Your an asshole." I hope that 
we can talk about the way you "talk nice" when I see you in April. I sure 
have a lot to learn from "The Master!"
         Dave

At 10:25 PM 12/27/2005, you wrote:

> > Hum, hadn't thought of puting it on ebay. Maybe I could
>sell
> > it for a BIG buck.  Nah, guess I won't
> >   Ron
>
>Hi Ron,
>You should.  I hear the guy who runs the web page is a real
>jerk.
>
>Right after he paid dearly for the book on eBay, he offered
>to print up about 20 copies and asked the Engine List if
>anyone was interested in splitting the cost 20 ways.
>Somebody had a fit and accused him of profiteering.
>
>He didn't really understand the charges leveled against him,
>as he already had an original copy and was merely offering
>to share it.  Anyway, he got mad and no one got a copy of
>the book.
>
>Time passed, the bitterness subsided, and eventually the
>book was made available in pdf format.  You can get your
>very own copy at
>http://literature.rustyiron.com



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Tue Dec 27 20:57:16 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:57:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Tommy,

As far as eBay (or the law) is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what this
shitheel is doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping
off other engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.

Here's the text of his auction:

   AMERICAN GASOLINE ENGINES SINCE 1872 by C.H. Wendel

   This is the book to have if you are into old hit and miss engine.
   Simply put if you don't have one of these you are missing out!
   It has 584 page with many many pictures.

   This book is new, it was not printed in 1983.
   Who cares? Some people that don't buy anything anyways think that the
   olds ones are worth more but that is not the case.
   This one has no tears, fingerprints, or anything else bad.
   It is perfect because it is new.

   This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
   interferr with my bidders.

As you can see his moral compass is every bit as good as his command of
basic English.

If you want to have a look for yourself, check it out...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708

He's got a Buy It Now price of $150 (triple what Wendel charges).
In the last 30 days, he's sold a half-dozen of 'em at that price.

It's also interesting to note that since the middle of December he's run
ALL of his auctions as "Private" so that "everyone can bid against each
other and not strain any friendships."  The fact that this maximizes
his profits and conceals shill bidders never enters his thoughts.  8-)))

It's also interesting that the "interference" with his bidders that he's
complaining about is good engine folks letting the suckers know that they're
being scammed and giving them Wendel's contact info.  Isn't that just TERRIBLE
interference with good natured commerce?

Let me put it another way, I'd NEVER bid on any auction offered by
"hitmissengines."  I don't care WHAT his feedback rating is.  He's just
too slimy for me to deal with.

See ya,  Arnie

PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
offering the book at face value; $55.  8-)))
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>:

> No Luke,  Jon isn't the print seller.  His ebay handle is 
> "hitmissengine" and the guy selling the prints is "simpson52".  Jon does 
> sell some of Wendel's reprint books but I really wouldn't call it a 
> scam.  He's put them on ebay and many have brought over $100.  He states 
> in his ad that they are new and aren't the early '83 version.  Its 
> always "buyer beware" when purchasing on ebay.



From transteck at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 27 21:31:31 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:31:31 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>

Hi Arnie,

 >snip<

>As far as eBay (or the law) is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what this
>shitheel is doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping
>off other engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>
I've seen his auctions and I agree with you. The private bit keeps us 
from warning bidders. There is one who was not warned due to the private 
issue, and he also sells stolen photos. Birds of a feather? I will now 
be contacting e-bay about the false contact info from the seller of 
stolen pictures. He's gotta be a bit sore in the rear end by now.

Jeff


Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



>This is being offered as a private idenity auction so no one can
>   interferr with my bidders.
>
>
>  
>
P.S. I ain't the brightest bulb on the tree, but interferr is a word I 
can't find. Spelled correctly it should be a red flag to bidders. Sigh!



From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 27 22:13:48 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:13:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Innoculation for cabin fever / Mike Burns show pictures. 
In-Reply-To: <43B1A084.6050104@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <20051228061345.TLGE3168.omta02ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Curt,
	Enjoyed the photos. An impressive line up of IHC machinery.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----

Luke,
I didn't forget you! You asked that I take pictures at Mike Burns' place 
and I'm just now getting them compressed and up on the website.
Sorry about some of the image sizes. Compressed at 50% and yet some are 
still larger than I like to see. I did the 150 x 150 thumbs as someone 
requested.
Didn't take the time to narrate each image as I've done in the past, but 
hopefully you'll find them enjoyable and perhaps they will be good 
medicine for some of the cabin fever that occurred over the last week.  
Had 400+ emails this morning after a week of not checking email. Whew, 
you guys had a go of it!
Hope you enjoy these:
http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/MikeBurns2005/Thumbnails.htm
l

Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC




From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Tue Dec 27 22:32:49 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:32:49 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Petter Sideshaft
Message-ID: <20051228063246.WYCN15112.omta03ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

A mate of mine got hold of this beauty just before Christmas. It is a Petter
sideshaft engine of reasonable size. Bore: 7"; Stroke: 12".
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/temp/05122618.jpg
Does anyone have any info on this style of Petter?
Thanks,
Patrick

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/




From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Wed Dec 28 00:10:03 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:10:03 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22
References: <200512271700.jBRH05ZG014087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c60b86$1b4be640$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

Jim - Might check out http://www.arrowengine.com/cseries.htm

Tried that one .....

And found these .....
http://www.lister-petter.co.uk/products.php
http://www.metroexporters.com/metex/

Any more, super sleuths? 8^)



Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From marshallman at iprimus.com.au  Wed Dec 28 00:14:29 2005
From: marshallman at iprimus.com.au (Jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:14:29 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22
References: <200512271700.jBRH05ZG014087@heavyiron.atis.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c60b86$b9a3c9c0$0400a8c0@userh63n1ki69e>

A Bunch of info on Diesels,and an Australian source.

                    mike

Many thanks mate ....

Jim 
(From The Wide Brown Land Down Under)
marshallman at iprimus.com.au
8^)

I try to comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable!



From rotigel at alltel.net  Wed Dec 28 04:04:50 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:04:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>


>I've seen his auctions and I agree with you. The private bit keeps us from 
>warning bidders. There is one who was not warned due to the private issue, 
>and he also sells stolen photos. Birds of a feather? I will now be 
>contacting e-bay about the false contact info from the seller of stolen 
>pictures. He's gotta be a bit sore in the rear end by now.
>Jeff

Hi Jeff,
         Do you (or does anyone on the List) know if e-bay will do anything 
about what (and how) this guy is selling/operating. Is he actually doing 
anything that is against e-bay policy?
         Dave 



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Wed Dec 28 05:08:27 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:08:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B28E4B.3090301@scrtc.com>

Arnie,

    I never figured out why Wendel didn't put the book on ebay himself 
with a "Buy it Now" for $50.  I don't like the fact that the auction is 
a "private listing" as I agree with your thoughts, its done simply to 
keep one friend from tipping off another that the book is available from 
another source.

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY



fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:

>Hi Tommy,
>
>As far as eBay (or the law) is concerned, there is nothing wrong with what this
>shitheel is doing.  What pisses me off is that we have an engine guy ripping
>off other engine guys; most likely newbies, just to make a couple of bucks.
>  
>
>  
>




From canuckiron at wightman.ca  Wed Dec 28 06:41:22 2005
From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:41:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B2A412.5010005@wightman.ca>

Good point Dave.

Duncan

Dave Rotigel wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>         Do you (or does anyone on the List) know if e-bay will do 
> anything about what (and how) this guy is selling/operating. Is he 
> actually doing anything that is against e-bay policy?
>         Dave
> _______________________________________________
> SEL mailing list
> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel
>
>


-- 
Duncan Denman
Ayton, Ontario
Canada
Antique Gas Engines & Tractors
Home Page
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch




From asouth at strato.net  Wed Dec 28 05:43:09 2005
From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:43:09 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Low rent Bastard
Message-ID: <007c01c60bb4$a40074f0$3900a8c0@ARTHUR>

Hey Arnie and list,

For what ever it's worth, I compared the photos used in both listing, 
<drew43a> and <hitmissengine>, are the same image. Both are in Ohio. 
Something smells to me.

My 2 cents,
Arthur

Arthur Southwell
Arcadia, Florida, USA
asouth at strato.net

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Old Engine" <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
(snipped)


> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708

> PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
> offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com








Arthur Southwell
Arthur Southwell Rebuilding
Arcadia, Florida 34266  U.S.A.
asouth at strato.net

http://oldengine.org/members/southwell
http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html
http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee
http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Wed Dec 28 06:44:03 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:44:03 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
Message-ID: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>

If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec 28 06:49:27 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:49:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <007c01c60bb4$a40074f0$3900a8c0@ARTHUR>
References: <007c01c60bb4$a40074f0$3900a8c0@ARTHUR>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512280944460.15924@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Art,

The only stink is coming from the private auction crap.  Have a look at
this thread on Harry's...
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27041

Andrew Albrecht is the one selling Wendel's book for what it costs.  He's
one of the "good guys."

See ya,  Arnie

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Arthur Southwell wrote:

> For what ever it's worth, I compared the photos used in both listing,
> <drew43a> and <hitmissengine>, are the same image. Both are in Ohio.
> Something smells to me.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575008708
>
> > PS - There is one guy who's undercutting his Wendel scam.  This bloke is
> > offering the book at face value; $70.  8-)))
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7575907738



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec 28 10:19:03 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:19:03 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old tire chains
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051228101430.01bff9c0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Does any one on the list collect old auto accessories. I have a set of tire 
chains that have the cross chain part that is rubber strap in a cross 
design. i am packing for a move and they need to go have been hanging on a 
peg in my TRACTOR Engine Shop[tractor reference] for a lot of years. If you 
have an interest contact me i will make you a deal you can't refuse. Also 
have a few parts from a 1959 Thundebird. And ford truck 73-79 door 
panels-arm rests-dash pad- ect
R Fink
PA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 07:22:21 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:22:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
In-Reply-To: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:
> If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
> ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it
>
> Glenn Karch

Here's the link:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23813

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 07:26:46 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:26:46 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512280726g21e96718icb6cd0312661cf22@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:
> > If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
> > ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it
> >
> > Glenn Karch
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23813
>

There may be others as well, I've just noticed that the ebay forum has
more than a couple of discussions going on the BYB.

Mine hasn't got here yet :-))

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 07:28:06 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:28:06 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512280728u1a44bfu9a295cf9a087b319@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Listerdiesel <listerdiesel at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/28/05, Glenn A Karch <glenn.karch at gte.net> wrote:
> > If you go to Smokstak you will find a discussion of the private seller on
> > ebay thing and one of the folks mentioned defends his use of it
> >
> > Glenn Karch
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23813
>
> Peter
> --

and this one:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23195

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jlb94 at juno.com  Wed Dec 28 08:15:50 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 11:15:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Old tire chains
Message-ID: <20051228.111903.856.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Hi Rich,
If the door panels are black - I'm interested.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Wed Dec 28 09:58:52 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:58:52 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>

Howdy all;

  Fellow engine friend just sent me his mixer to use as a pattern.  (ain't 
that great!!???):

http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi

  Upon arrival I noticed that the big wet spot is a blob of brazing/welding 
and covers up the p/n..aargh.

  Here's a better picture of another mixer with my comments..apologize to 
the gentleman that sent it to me as I lost your name:

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/530440989kREuDu

  I would like Rick to make me a re-cast, but don't want to disassemble the 
choke assembly for fear of destroying something original i.e. "peaned choke 
butterfly shaft ends.

  It looks simple enough to turn on a lathe and with some 
fabricating/welding would probably pass, but no way of getting the p/n on it 
and also the long UNIQUE mounting bracket would be hard to fabricate IMO. 
You can't see it as it's mounted on the back of the mixer.


  Any suggestions on what to do in order to get a re-cast and not ruin his 
iron?

  'preciate it and thanks for looking,

RickinMt. 


From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 28 10:49:04 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:49:04 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B2DE20.4000201@imc-group.com>

Rick,
If you don't want to take it apart sounds like the only choice you have 
is to make a wooden pattern to get the part shape you want.
But even more important is that you need to make a core box. If you send 
Rick the part or make a plain pattern you would get a solid chunk 
instead of a hollow chunk. There will need to be core prints on each end 
that will hold the core. The core box will make 1/2 the core and the two 
halves glued together make the complete core.
You might run an ad on Harrys and see if someone has already made this 
part part before making a pattern.
BTW the numbers can be bought from Freeman Supply and superglued on the 
pattern.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Richard Strobel wrote:

>  I would like Rick to make me a re-cast, but don't want to disassemble the 
>choke assembly for fear of destroying something original i.e. "peaned choke 
>butterfly shaft ends.
>
>  
>



From stevebarr at ameritech.net  Wed Dec 28 10:50:37 2005
From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:50:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] eBay Picture Auctions
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512271111y672f58afg56d85c5f4ff2a2bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051228185037.974.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com>


I finally have caught up on the email about the selling of a photo that I
took at a show several years back on ebay.  My delay was due to being out
of town for a few days.

I notified ebay on friday about the use of that single photo as I don't
"own" the other photos.  They pulled the auction yesterday(even after it
had ended).  I believe the delay was due to the holiday weekend.

I have located the source of most of the others and the person who created
the site, Keith Smigle, is reporting the other Associated engine photos
from their part of the oldengine.org site.  Keith had my photo on his site
as I had granted permission for him to do so.

>From the ebay site:
Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:
  Listing cancellation
  Limits on account privileges
  Account suspension 
  Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings 
  Loss of PowerSeller status

I did contact the seller and their response was: "sorry. i bought these
legally at a local flea market. it may be possible that someone got them
off the web or went to shows. i do not know. i thought they were some good
photos so i listed them. i bought a box of assorted photos and prints. hit
and miss and others. i collect hit and misses and related items"

The Hercules copies appear to be from Keith Kinney's catalog page on
www.herculesengines.com  One was cropped from an ink blotter.  I don't
know how ebay treats reproductions from old catalogs.

The other thing is the images that were used were low resolution and when
blown up to 8x10 would look like crap.

Steve


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 28 11:45:01 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:45:01 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>

Hi Tommy,

Yep, Jon isn't the one selling the photos. I wasn't very clear in my note. I 
agree 100% that it is buyer beware. What he is doing though is not honest in 
my book.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=======================

>From: Judge Tommy Turner <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
>
>No Luke,  Jon isn't the print seller.  His ebay handle is "hitmissengine" 
>and the guy selling the prints is "simpson52".  Jon does sell some of 
>Wendel's reprint books but I really wouldn't call it a scam.  He's put them 
>on ebay and many have brought over $100.  He states in his ad that they are 
>new and aren't the early '83 version.  Its always "buyer beware" when 
>purchasing on ebay.
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>
>
>
>Luke Tonneberger wrote:
>
>>Hi Arnie,
>>
>>I think I know who the guy is thats running the scam on Wendels books. 
>>There was a little stink a while back on Harry's website about what he was 
>>doing. I believe this is the guy:
>>
>>http://www.enginads.com/bigengin.cgi/read/33817
>>
>>He sells at Portland and other places around his area.
>>
>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4037992&a=30255031&p=68261343
>>
>>Maybe someone that knows for sure can confirm this???
>>
>>Luke Tonneberger
>>Rockford, Michigan
>>USA




From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 12:22:45 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:22:45 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
References: <43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6f6025160512281222r436483a4n97546a3dfeae3cb4@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/28/05, Luke Tonneberger <flywheelin at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tommy,
>
> Yep, Jon isn't the one selling the photos. I wasn't very clear in my note. I
> agree 100% that it is buyer beware. What he is doing though is not honest in
> my book.
>
> Luke Tonneberger

OK, let's look at the other side of the coin here a minute.

I was looking for a BYB, have been for some time, and I contact Chuck
Wendle before Portland to see what he could offer in the way of
overseas shipping on a volume. Turns out he was quoting carriage
included for the USA, but to ship a single volume over to the UK would
have been a fair bit extra, so much so that it started to look
uneconomic.

I asked a few engine guys over here if they would want to get together
with me and buy 10 books, pay bulk Media Mail shipping and sell the
spares to friends or whatever. With 6 or 7 of us that would have made
sense and the other spare volumes would have sold eventually.

In the death nothing happened. There were two or three that were all
for going for it, but we couldn't get enough to justify spending the
total, and as one of use would have had to stump up nearly $800 up
front, the sums didn't work.

Just before Xmas I saw the ebay ads and looked at the leather bound
presentation book, even put a bid on it but as expected it was too
expensive. I also look on Smokestak most days and followed the threads
on there.

Finally, I bought a mint 1983 embossed leatherette book from a book
dealer, he shipped it over before Xmas but it hasn't got here yet.

What I am trying to show here is that while we can all have a pop at
the guy who is selling the books on ebay, it is not that straight a
path for the guy in the street to get hold of one, and ebay has become
the source of choice for finding stuff that you cannot buy at the
corner shop.

If the guy has a "Buy it Now" price but ALSO a regular starting price
that is within the realms of reasonableness, then I can't see that we
have a lot to grumble about. Sure he is picking up a decent to large
profit if they go BIN, but nobody is forced to pay that if they don't
want to. I've just finished selling a load of Lister stuff on ebay
over Xmas, and the number of people who wanted me to finish early,
pull the auctions etc etc was crazy.

It's a fact of life now that ebay has created some twisted situations
that are not always ethically or morally correct, but we all
contributed to them being there.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 28 12:22:50 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:22:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>

Luke,
Have a question for you.
 From what I've seen of eBay the vast majority of stuff on there is new 
items. People buying new pillows, towels and craft stuff and reselling 
it to the highest bidder. The reasoning behind the ill feeling over 
Wendels book seem to be based on taking advantagous of "newbies".
But what is the difference between the buying and selling of the book 
vs. buying and selling of pillows and towels? I see no one suggesting 
that we contact the bidders of these pillows and towels to tell them 
where they can buy it for less.
This is an excellent example of capitalism at work. The bidders are 
apparently happy (or they wouldn't be bidding), the seller is happy, and 
when both parties are happy this is perfect capitalism.
Unless we are all prepared to sell our engines and literature for 
exactly what we paid for them, none of us should be complaining about 
the resale price of a book.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC
P.S. I hope you sold your Rumley for a profit. I don't think you are 
dishonest for doing so either.

Luke Tonneberger wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>
> Yep, Jon isn't the one selling the photos. I wasn't very clear in my 
> note. I agree 100% that it is buyer beware. What he is doing though is 
> not honest in my book.
>
> Luke Tonneberger
> Rockford, Michigan
> USA
>



From nancydick at pennswoods.net  Wed Dec 28 15:26:36 2005
From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:26:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Old tire chains
In-Reply-To: <20051228.111903.856.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20051228152350.01ba9ce0@mail.pennswoods.net>

Joe i don't know if i have a set in black. But you can take steel wool and 
clean them with lacquer thinner and spray any color you want. Have done it 
and they hold up very well.   Hit me off line
R Fink
PA



At 11:15 AM 12/28/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Rich,
>If the door panels are black - I'm interested.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that.
>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
>  ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
>  \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
>  (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
>_______________________________________________
>SEL mailing list
>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com
>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel





From kkinney at herculesengines.com  Wed Dec 28 12:26:22 2005
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:26:22 -0600
Subject: [SEL] eBay Picture Auctions
In-Reply-To: <20051228185037.974.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <6f6025160512271111y672f58afg56d85c5f4ff2a2bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051228185037.974.qmail@web80613.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20051228141033.02098c78@herculesengines.com>

I contacted the seller a few days ago asking for half the proceeds 
from the auctions or that he remove them immediately.  I received no 
response and he posted more items on E-bay from my web page.  So 
yesterday I contacted e-bay and below is the dialog from them.
Keith



To: <kkinney at herculesengines.com>
Subject: TK91014 Your recent email to eBay's Trust and Safety 
Department.  (KMM199114738V61295L0KM)
From: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp at ebay.com>

Hello,

Thank you for writing.

We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
investigated your report. Please be assured that we have taken
appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action may
include issuing a warning, a temporary suspension, an indefinite
suspension or terminating the membership.

Thank you for being part of the eBay community.

Regards,

Jeran
eBay SafeHarbor
Investigations Team

Original Message Follows:
-------------------------

Form Message %43301% 071398
D_ID122720051915D_ID/W_ID50476566W_ID/S_ID000S_ID
Subject:  IV=C00176 The problem you're having with your seller isn't
listed [#US L01 US !44433! 090801 ?01 -01 ]

User Feedback:  177
User State:  ?01

Browser Info:  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

Problems with Other Members > Problems with sellers > The problem you're
having with your seller isn't listed

Member or Item being reported: simpson52 192

Message: The above listed seller has stolen images off of my web page
and is selling them on ebay.  Below is a list of auctions and the
coorisponding web pages where he stole the images.  My web page is not
the only one where he is has stolen pictures and sold them for profit on
ebay.  I have contacted him via the "ask seller a question" part of one
of the auctions.  I ask him to remove the auctions but received no
reply.  Please let me know what will be done.
Thank you.
Keith Kinney and ebay user keithkinney.


Item number: 7576166889
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Hercules%20Blotter1.jpg

Item number: 7576198179 and Item number: 7576263318
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

Item number: 7576170687
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg


http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-POSTER-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ7573876494

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Economy%20Engines%20in%20Factory%20Postcard2.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/1894-HERCULES-OIL-ENGINE-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574674256

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/images/Thermoil%20cover.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ECONOMY-HIT-AND-MISS-AD-HIGH-GLOSS-PRINT_W0QQitemZ7574675211

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/Economy%20Images/Economy%20Ad%20page%201295.jpg 



From curt at imc-group.com  Wed Dec 28 13:07:16 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:07:16 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Years EVE day crankup Kings Mtn. NC (2nd posting)
In-Reply-To: <43A71AC1.2040500@imc-group.com>
References: <43A71AC1.2040500@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <43B2FE84.10705@imc-group.com>

Repeat posting for Saturday December 31st.

> Need an engine show fix?
>
> The 3rd annual New Years Crankup will be held on SATURDAY December 
> 31st. this year since New Years Day falls on a Sunday.
>
> This is being organized by Tommy Berry and will be held at his dad's 
> place same as before. Last two years have been great weather and we 
> are hoping for the same. If inclimate we'll find out who the REAL 
> engine and tractor guys are!
>
> Rather than retype all the info here is the link to our club 
> newsletter. The crankup info is the first item.
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Newsletters/Jan06.pdf>
>
> There will be a fire ring for those with thin blood, lots of engines 
> and tractors, and lunch made by Tommy's parents. Bring a desert to 
> chip in if you like.
>
> Here are a few pictures from last year:
> <http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/NewYearsDayCrankup2005/Thumbnails.html> 
>
>
> Look forward to seeing you there.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC USA
> in sunny, cool, and pleasant NC
>



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Wed Dec 28 13:21:42 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:21:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>
References: <BAY103-F23B28DE542573EB2F9E12C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512281536451.22236@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Curt,

My I offer an opinion?  I think you're comparing apples and oranges in
your example below.  AFAIK, no one has complained about any eBay auctions
EXCEPT the new Wendel books being offered by one guy at triple Wendel's
price.  If you look at his other auctions, you'll see that he is a
prolific seller of old engine parts.  No one has made an issue of his
prices on anything else.

The thrust of the complaints has been that experienced engine
folks, GEM subscribers, etc. know what the book costs when ordered from
Wendel.  There is no way they'll spend $150 for the book.  Wendel has not
been offering it on eBay.  The "comparables" one might see on eBay have
all been (up to now) the older, more expensive, originals.

The Low Rent Bastard was taking advantage of the fact that the newbies
didn't know that they were available from Wendel.  To a great many engine
folks, that didn't seem like fair play.  They pointed out to the newbies
that they were being had.  The Low Rent Bastard was clever, and used the
Private Bidder dodge to get around that.  In return, engine folks are now
offering the books at Wendel's price.  At this point, the newbies will
have a clear and honest choice on eBay.  If they choose to spend $150
instead of $50, that's a legitimate choice and no one would mind.

So to use your "perfect capitalism" example of happy buyers & sellers, in
this case the buyer is happy only as a result of carefully cultivated
ignorance perpetuated by the seller.

You want an example of "perfect capitalism" with happy buyers & sellers,
consider the practices of many large stores.  They sell you an item.
Within the next 30 days if you find that item offered for sale at a lower
price somewhere else and you bring that proof into the store, they refund
the price difference.  That's "perfect capitalism" working with fully
informed buyers & sellers.

You might better compare Low Rent Bastard's behavior to the scam artists
who target the elderly because they are often easily confused & ill
informed and thus are an "easy mark."  It happens all the time.

The reality is that there are folks, new to the engine hobby, whose first
experience might have been to be ripped off for $100 on a new BYB.  Some
(perhaps including you) would say, "Tough titty, that's just good
business."  For my part, I call it shoddy greed at the expense of a
newbie.  The bottom line is the bloke made at least $600 profit in the
last 30 days.  For me, he's also CLEARLY established exactly what sort of
character he has.  And I've decided that I want nothing to do with him.

So much of what's important in this hobby is based on trust.  Knowing how
he works, would you trust him to give you an honest assessment of the
condition of an item he's selling?  Or is he more likely to conceal or
misrepresent an item?

There are a few other sellers out there who I regard in the same way.
They conceal defects and they misrepresent what they sell.  Knowing
that, I refuse to deal with them too.

The old adage is "Buyer beware."  And in the case of the guy selling
Wendle's books for $150, he's clearly announced what sort of person he
is.  Would YOU trust him in the future to deal with you honestly?  I
wouldn't.  But the loss of any future business from folks like me will
certainly be more than offset by folks like you who will actually prefer
to deal with this paragon of capitalistic virtue.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005, Curt wrote:

> Luke,
> Have a question for you.
>  From what I've seen of eBay the vast majority of stuff on there is new
> items. People buying new pillows, towels and craft stuff and reselling
> it to the highest bidder. The reasoning behind the ill feeling over
> Wendels book seem to be based on taking advantagous of "newbies".
> But what is the difference between the buying and selling of the book
> vs. buying and selling of pillows and towels? I see no one suggesting
> that we contact the bidders of these pillows and towels to tell them
> where they can buy it for less.
> This is an excellent example of capitalism at work. The bidders are
> apparently happy (or they wouldn't be bidding), the seller is happy, and
> when both parties are happy this is perfect capitalism.
> Unless we are all prepared to sell our engines and literature for
> exactly what we paid for them, none of us should be complaining about
> the resale price of a book.
> Just my 2 cents worth.
> Curt Holland
> Gastonia, NC
> P.S. I hope you sold your Rumley for a profit. I don't think you are
> dishonest for doing so either.



From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 28 17:08:48 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:08:48 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B33720.1030808@earthlink.net>

> Hi Jeff,
>         Do you (or does anyone on the List) know if e-bay will do 
> anything about what (and how) this guy is selling/operating. Is he 
> actually doing anything that is against e-bay policy?
>         Dave

 

I'm not sure which LRB you refer to. The one selling the BYB is doing 
nothing illegal or against e-bays rules. I agree with Arnie on him.

The other LRB selling the photos apparently is doing something against 
e-bay policies. The auction I won was cancelled by e-bay after it ended.

>has been removed from eBay for violating eBay policy
>
Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From transteck at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 28 17:14:43 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:14:43 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Engine-related Xmas pressies
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512270832t35d1ea42t643389bc6083d908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f6025160512270832t35d1ea42t643389bc6083d908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B33883.6000105@earthlink.net>

Hi Peter,

I got plans for a model engine made from bar stock, a book on miniature 
iginitions, and a workbench. All in all I did well.

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/

Listerdiesel wrote: >snip<

>What did the other List folks get this year that was engine-related? 
>(self-bought pressies don't apply, Dave....)
>
>
>  
>



From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net  Wed Dec 28 19:55:01 2005
From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:55:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B35E15.20309@zoominternet.net>

It seems to me, and I may be wrong here, that his buyers are happy, so 
far, with their transactions.  Isn't it the American way to get as the 
market will bear?  I would expect to see a less than 100% feedback if 
somebody were unhappy. 

I can understand the private ID auction as I had was once selling a 
product and somebody else emailed my high bidder to offer the same at a 
lower price.  Here I wrote and placed the add and paid the fees yet 
another will reap the benefits.

No, I am not the guy selling these items and, no I have not bid.

Ed


>  
>



From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Thu Dec 29 03:03:09 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:03:09 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron
Message-ID: <000501c60c67$78457320$8483a33a@ogborneuah38i3>

Sorry to see no more updates on Harrolds Old Iron 
http://www.oldengine.org/members/harrold/
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au 




From bill at antique-engines.com  Thu Dec 29 07:02:44 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:02:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT - leads on an aircraft engine?
In-Reply-To: <43B33720.1030808@earthlink.net>
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>	<43B22333.10801@earthlink.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051228070134.02568e10@mail.alltel.net>
	<43B33720.1030808@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1951.165.206.180.19.1135868564.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

I have a friend who sent me the following:
----------------------
if you have friends that collect aircraft engines, do they know where I
could score a Packard Merlin?  I'd like to have one of those!
----------------------------

Any thoughts?


Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA!



From 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu  Thu Dec 29 07:56:57 2005
From: 00dlsiefker at bsu.edu (SIEFKER, DONALD L)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:56:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows
References: <122220051925.6626.43AAFDBD0009BE96000019E221587667209B04049A03@att.net>
	<006601c60755$22bdda80$0202a8c0@Dads>
Message-ID: <D5465370B633A94F97490757AFA3290E46A566@email03.bsu.edu>

The 12the Annual Winter Tractor And Engine Show is coming in March 2006, at Auburn, IN at the Kruse Auction Park.  Info/contacts on the website
http://www.maumeevalley.org/winter_show2006.htm
 
This is near Ft. Wayne, IN
 
I was there in 2004 and as I recall everything was held indoors in some of the large buildings there at the Kruse Auction Park.
 
Usual disclaimer, no connection.
 
Don Siefker
28 Miles SW of Portland, IN  USA 

________________________________

From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com on behalf of Dickie
Sent: Thu 12/22/2005 7:09 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows



I think there is supposed to be one in Murray KY next month in the Expo
Center, not sure of the date though.

Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: <mullt at att.net>
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Indoor Engine Shows


> Arnie,
>
> I can certainly see why a show at a shopping mall wouldn't be much fun. I
> don't think the shoppers would be too interested in old engines. (gotta
> get to the shoe sale at the department store before all the good ones are
> gone, etc.)
>
> I was thinking more like a heated barn or something like that. There is an
> indoor horse riding building near me. Something like that would work.
>
> But I guess the cost to rent such a building would make it difficult to
> have a show that would not bring in much (if any) money.
>
> Tom in St. Louis
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 mullt at att.net wrote:
>>
>> > Here in the Midwest (Missouri) it is too cold for any engine shows,
>> > unlike in Florida. Has anyone ever heard of and indoor show in a heated
>> > building? That would go a long way to curing my cabin fever.
>> >
>> > Tom in St. Louis
>>
>> Too cold is just a state of mind.
>>
>> I was invited to participate in a winter-time engine show indoors at one
>> of the local shopping malls.  They wouldn't allow us to run the engines
>> and were really hyper about oil drips.  All in all not nearly as much fun
>> as it could have been.
>>
>> I think there was a piece in GEM years ago about an engine show in
>> Fairbanks Alaska in the dead of winter that was held in a huge quonsett
>> hut type building.  They did run the engines and it was very successful.
>>
>> There are a couple of shows here in Pencilbonya that are held outdoors in
>> the winter even in the snow.
>>
>> Then there's the SEL New Year's Eve World-Wide Crank-Up.  The idea is to
>> bring in the New Year by running engines; first in Austraila, then
>> Europe,
>> then the east coast, finishing up in Kalifornia.  LOTS of fun!!
>>
>> So what are folks planning on running for the New Year's Eve World-Wide
>> Crank-Up?  In my case, it will be the engines nearest the door; the
>> Tulip-Top Bamford and Fat Bastard, the 7 hp Crossley.
>>
>> See ya,  Arnie
>>
>> Arnie Fero
>> Pittsburgh, PA
>> fero_ah at city-net.com
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From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:21:35 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:21:35 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <43B2F41A.1070207@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F678A2AFD4AF613C89D102C8290@phx.gbl>

Hi Curt,

It just seems to me that Jon is taking advantage of people not knowing it is 
available at a cheaper price. Doesn't matter if it is towels or pillows, 
newbies or oldbies. I see where your coming from though (perfect capitalism) 
and I have to agree. People buy product and sell it at a higher price all of 
the time. Which goes along with what Tommy said, "buyer beware". I also 
agree that we probably shouldn't be complaining about the resale of a book. 
I might have been wrong for pointing out who Jon is. I have met him before 
and seemed like a nice guy. I have also bought an engine from him off of 
Harry's and was satisfied with the deal. Yes, I did sell my Rumely at a 
profit, about two thousand dollars.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

==================================

>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>
>Luke,
>Have a question for you.
>From what I've seen of eBay the vast majority of stuff on there is new 
>items. People buying new pillows, towels and craft stuff and reselling it 
>to the highest bidder. The reasoning behind the ill feeling over Wendels 
>book seem to be based on taking advantagous of "newbies".
>But what is the difference between the buying and selling of the book vs. 
>buying and selling of pillows and towels? I see no one suggesting that we 
>contact the bidders of these pillows and towels to tell them where they can 
>buy it for less.
>This is an excellent example of capitalism at work. The bidders are 
>apparently happy (or they wouldn't be bidding), the seller is happy, and 
>when both parties are happy this is perfect capitalism.
>Unless we are all prepared to sell our engines and literature for exactly 
>what we paid for them, none of us should be complaining about the resale 
>price of a book.
>Just my 2 cents worth.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>P.S. I hope you sold your Rumley for a profit. I don't think you are 
>dishonest for doing so either.




From curt at imc-group.com  Thu Dec 29 08:23:51 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:23:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/
 Buckley show.
In-Reply-To: <dp0sc8+vlia@eGroups.com>
References: <dp0sc8+vlia@eGroups.com>
Message-ID: <43B40D97.5030607@imc-group.com>

Dave,
I am coping this over to the SEL as I am sure folks there would like to 
see these pictures too. Always heard good things about Buckley and the 
engine pictures you took sure confirm this!

Need some help ID'ing an engine:
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=c623.jpg&.src=ph>

and is this an Alamo blueline?
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=9900.jpg&.src=ph>

and is the tall vertical item on this Olds a muffler?
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=5d02.jpg&.src=ph>
Was this an original? Have never seen one.
Curt Holland
Gastonia, NC

Dave J wrote:

>I when to buckley eng show here a link to the picture.
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/album?.dir=9cf1&.src=ph&store>
>=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos.
> 
>  
>



From fbi at insulate.co.uk  Thu Dec 29 08:29:21 2005
From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:29:21 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>
	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>

As this is still classed as the festive season, I'd just like you to 
know that there are some folk around who are not low life, thieving 
scum!  I received this pleasant and unexpected email today:

******
Dear Helen,

I am an archaeologist giving a talk at a conference in Japan in 
January.  Your
website - http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/balloon.htm - has a lovely 
image of
medieval ridge and furrow.  As the taker of the image you hold the 
copyright. 
Would you mind if I copied this image to use in my talk?

Best wishes,
Don Henson

Education and Outreach Officer
Council for British Archaeology

***************

Would I have known if he'd simply taken the picture and used it?  Never 
in a million years! 
What did it cost him to ask?  A few minutes of his time to type the email.
Needless to say, my answer was yes, and not only that, I uploaded a 
selection of similar pictures, full resolution, to my website so that he 
had a choice.

I know this is slightly different, as he won't be making anything from 
using my photo, but all the same, it makes the world of difference to be 
ASKED instead of folk just TAKING.

There.  Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy now?

Dolly

-- 
Jim French
fbi at insulate.co.uk
http://www.insulate.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm



From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 29 08:34:25 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:34:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512281536451.22236@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F374D097AD82640D7C93836C8290@phx.gbl>

Arnie,

After reading your post it sure makes me wish I paid better attention in my 
English classes in school. I always did great in math and science but always 
was borderline failing English. I typed up three different responses to Curt 
and ended up deleting them all. I tried to explain how I felt, but I just 
couldn't type what my brain was thinking. Especially in a way so others 
would comprehend what I'm trying to convey. Some on here can really 
write/type well.

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

================

>From: Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com>
>
>Hi Curt,
>
>My I offer an opinion?  I think you're comparing apples and oranges in
>your example below.  AFAIK, no one has complained about any eBay auctions
>EXCEPT the new Wendel books being offered by one guy at triple Wendel's
>price.  If you look at his other auctions, you'll see that he is a
>prolific seller of old engine parts.  No one has made an issue of his
>prices on anything else.
>
>The thrust of the complaints has been that experienced engine
>folks, GEM subscribers, etc. know what the book costs when ordered from
>Wendel.  There is no way they'll spend $150 for the book.  Wendel has not
>been offering it on eBay.  The "comparables" one might see on eBay have
>all been (up to now) the older, more expensive, originals.
>
>The Low Rent Bastard was taking advantage of the fact that the newbies
>didn't know that they were available from Wendel.  To a great many engine
>folks, that didn't seem like fair play.  They pointed out to the newbies
>that they were being had.  The Low Rent Bastard was clever, and used the
>Private Bidder dodge to get around that.  In return, engine folks are now
>offering the books at Wendel's price.  At this point, the newbies will
>have a clear and honest choice on eBay.  If they choose to spend $150
>instead of $50, that's a legitimate choice and no one would mind.
>
>So to use your "perfect capitalism" example of happy buyers & sellers, in
>this case the buyer is happy only as a result of carefully cultivated
>ignorance perpetuated by the seller.
>
>You want an example of "perfect capitalism" with happy buyers & sellers,
>consider the practices of many large stores.  They sell you an item.
>Within the next 30 days if you find that item offered for sale at a lower
>price somewhere else and you bring that proof into the store, they refund
>the price difference.  That's "perfect capitalism" working with fully
>informed buyers & sellers.
>
>You might better compare Low Rent Bastard's behavior to the scam artists
>who target the elderly because they are often easily confused & ill
>informed and thus are an "easy mark."  It happens all the time.
>
>The reality is that there are folks, new to the engine hobby, whose first
>experience might have been to be ripped off for $100 on a new BYB.  Some
>(perhaps including you) would say, "Tough titty, that's just good
>business."  For my part, I call it shoddy greed at the expense of a
>newbie.  The bottom line is the bloke made at least $600 profit in the
>last 30 days.  For me, he's also CLEARLY established exactly what sort of
>character he has.  And I've decided that I want nothing to do with him.
>
>So much of what's important in this hobby is based on trust.  Knowing how
>he works, would you trust him to give you an honest assessment of the
>condition of an item he's selling?  Or is he more likely to conceal or
>misrepresent an item?
>
>There are a few other sellers out there who I regard in the same way.
>They conceal defects and they misrepresent what they sell.  Knowing
>that, I refuse to deal with them too.
>
>The old adage is "Buyer beware."  And in the case of the guy selling
>Wendle's books for $150, he's clearly announced what sort of person he
>is.  Would YOU trust him in the future to deal with you honestly?  I
>wouldn't.  But the loss of any future business from folks like me will
>certainly be more than offset by folks like you who will actually prefer
>to deal with this paragon of capitalistic virtue.  8-))
>
>See ya,  Arnie
>
>Arnie Fero
>Pittsburgh, PA
>fero_ah at city-net.com




From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 29 09:24:16 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 09:24:16 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/
	Buckley show.
In-Reply-To: <43B40D97.5030607@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <007301c60c9c$b3811310$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Need some help ID'ing an engine:
>
<http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&
.d
> nm=c623.jpg&.src=ph>


Domestic





From tdunlap at satx.rr.com  Thu Dec 29 09:33:30 2005
From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:33:30 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
References: <BAY103-F52FD440B7BE75944FFE55C8360@phx.gbl>
	<43B1F897.2090302@scrtc.com>
	<1135745836.43b21b2c9140d@webmail.city-net.com>
	<43B35E15.20309@zoominternet.net>
Message-ID: <000601c60c9d$fc5d2780$111f7546@mycomputer>

Ripping off people at 300% profit isnt anywhere near the spirit of what "the 
market will bear".  Its called "gouging" here in Texas. Like what happened 
during the Hurricanes..   High prices for water, gasoline etc.  Its taking 
advantage of people in distress or just plain ignorant of the con game-



Tom
Texas

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Tabor" <edward.tabor at zoominternet.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard


> It seems to me, and I may be wrong here, that his buyers are happy, so 
> far, with their transactions.  Isn't it the American way to get as the 
> market will bear?  I would expect to see a less than 100% feedback if 
> somebody were unhappy.
> I can understand the private ID auction as I had was once selling a 
> product and somebody else emailed my high bidder to offer the same at a 
> lower price.  Here I wrote and placed the add and paid the fees yet 
> another will reap the benefits.
>
> No, I am not the guy selling these items and, no I have not bid.
>
> Ed
>
>
>>
>
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From oldengineman at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 29 11:42:18 2005
From: oldengineman at hotmail.com (Peter Stauffer)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:42:18 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/
	Buckley show.
In-Reply-To: <43B40D97.5030607@imc-group.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-F7867270004AFB8F24CBAAC4290@phx.gbl>

Curt,

Indeed, the object on the OLDS is the muffler.  Next time you're by, remind 
me and I'll show you the ones I have for both the 1 1/2 hp and the 4 1/2 hp. 
  I also have an operators manual showing what stock plumbing items are to 
be used in seting them up.  Happy New Year.

Pete Stauffer


>From: Curt <curt at imc-group.com>
>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
>To: HerculesEnginesGroup at yahoogroups.com,        SEL 
><sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>,        "SEL (Oldengine.org)" 
><stationary-engine at oldengine.org>
>Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng shows/ 
>Buckley show.
>Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:23:51 -0500
>
>Dave,
>I am coping this over to the SEL as I am sure folks there would like to see 
>these pictures too. Always heard good things about Buckley and the engine 
>pictures you took sure confirm this!
>
>Need some help ID'ing an engine:
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=c623.jpg&.src=ph>
>
>and is this an Alamo blueline?
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=9900.jpg&.src=ph>
>
>and is the tall vertical item on this Olds a muffler?
><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/detail?.dir=9cf1&.dnm=5d02.jpg&.src=ph>
>Was this an original? Have never seen one.
>Curt Holland
>Gastonia, NC
>
>Dave J wrote:
>
>>I when to buckley eng show here a link to the picture.
>><http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldironman6/album?.dir=9cf1&.src=ph&store>
>>=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos.
>>
>>
>>
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 11:47:17 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 11:47:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <000601c60c9d$fc5d2780$111f7546@mycomputer>
Message-ID: <20051229194717.55401.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>



Tom Dunlap <tdunlap at satx.rr.com> wrote:  Ripping off people at 300% profit isnt anywhere near the spirit of what "the 
market will bear".  Its called "gouging" here in Texas. Like what happened 
during the Hurricanes..   High prices for water, gasoline etc.  Its taking 
advantage of people in distress or just plain ignorant of the con game-



Tom
Texas

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Tabor" 
To: "The SEL email discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard


> It seems to me, and I may be wrong here, that his buyers are happy, so 
> far, with their transactions.  Isn't it the American way to get as the 
> market will bear?  I would expect to see a less than 100% feedback if 
> somebody were unhappy.
> I can understand the private ID auction as I had was once selling a 
> product and somebody else emailed my high bidder to offer the same at a 
> lower price.  Here I wrote and placed the add and paid the fees yet 
> another will reap the benefits.
>
> No, I am not the guy selling these items and, no I have not bid.
>
> Ed
>
>
>>
>
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From randmingold at hotkey.net.au  Thu Dec 29 12:40:44 2005
From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 07:40:44 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: [HerculesEnginesGroup] hi there last summer eng
	shows/Buckley show.
References: <BAY101-F7867270004AFB8F24CBAAC4290@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00c001c60cb9$42c975a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b>

First one is a Jay Peters half size Domestic model.
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
randmingold at hotkey.net.au
http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Stauffer" 



From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Wed Dec 28 16:39:41 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:39:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy>

Rick,

 What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that shows 
the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of the 
part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the 
passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I could 
possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.

Rick Rowlands
Tod Engine Works
Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
and nonferrous castings
2261 Hubbard Road
Youngstown, OH  44505
330-728-2799
Fax 330-759-1524
www.todengine.org/engineworks.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strobel" <Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com>
To: "sel" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:58 PM
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting


> Howdy all;
>
>  Fellow engine friend just sent me his mixer to use as a pattern.  (ain't 
> that great!!???):
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/510896797IFBcLi
>
>  Upon arrival I noticed that the big wet spot is a blob of brazing/welding 
> and covers up the p/n..aargh.
>
>  Here's a better picture of another mixer with my comments..apologize to 
> the gentleman that sent it to me as I lost your name:
>
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/471752277/530440989kREuDu
>
>  I would like Rick to make me a re-cast, but don't want to disassemble the 
> choke assembly for fear of destroying something original i.e. "peaned 
> choke butterfly shaft ends.
>
>  It looks simple enough to turn on a lathe and with some 
> fabricating/welding would probably pass, but no way of getting the p/n on 
> it and also the long UNIQUE mounting bracket would be hard to fabricate 
> IMO. You can't see it as it's mounted on the back of the mixer.
>
>
>  Any suggestions on what to do in order to get a re-cast and not ruin his 
> iron?
>
>  'preciate it and thanks for looking,
>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 14:08:33 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:08:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <f9fb3228269c5cf9259766bb73210add@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051229220833.5869.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

J.C. and others....
 No matter regarding the  IHC M.  Without repeating the entirety of a previous post, I was  helping a college professor who was guiding a bunch of unfortunate kids  through an investigation of alternative fuels.  I got them a JD  110 for the project (they have zero dough) and I was thinking that,  maybe, a stationary engine might add to their admirable efforts.
  Guess that is not in the cards, however.
  I still have the IHC M and looking for a buyer at this point in time.
  Thank you for your reply, however.
  JM

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Well, from my own viewpoint, (1) there's not much hope of greatly 
improving the efficiency of an IHC M, the compression ratio being the 
principle determinant of efficiency and the M's design and mode of 
operation not lending itself well to a great increase in compression, 
and (2) it's a collectible antique. I like to keep those original and 
not modify them in ways that aren't easily reversible. The engines and 
the major parts like carburetors and magnetos aren't made anymore, and 
modifications of them are going to "mess them up" in the eyes of future 
collectors.

I'd recommend trying to work on the efficiency of something like a 
modern Briggs & Stratton or Tecumseh go-kart engine. They're typical of 
small engines widely used in modern farm and garden equipment. You'll 
find a lot of information and helpful resources from the folks who race 
them. :-)

John

On Dec 27, 2005, at 6:39 PM, James Moran wrote:

> SEL Group-
>   A few days ago I wrote regarding the professor guiding kids through 
> the investigation of alternative fuel (experimental, etc.).
>   I have heard nothing back from any of you.  Does this suggest that  
> there is no hope for the IHC's use in this or (no problem here, I  
> assure you) that there is no collective interest in this effort?
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 15:38:24 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:38:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051229220833.5869.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051229220833.5869.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7528c45323bf3629634257b1f919af08@chartertn.net>

Alternative fuels is a different matter from improving efficiency. That 
M as it sits will run on a variety of liquid fuels. Most were designed 
to run on kerosene, which only cost about 40% as much as gasoline at 
the time and was widely available as it was used in lanterns and lamps. 
The carburetor of most will have a small bowl to fill with gasoline for 
starting. As it runs out, the engine's warmed up, and it's switched 
over to run on gasoline. Since kerosene is a VERY low octane fuel, they 
also had a separate jet and needle valve for admitting water from the 
engine's cooling jacket to suppress the knocking when the engine was 
running hard on kerosene. Good example of technological adaptation to 
economic circumstances. Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on 
kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced performance. That was a 
common setup in the early 20th century, though.

I'd propose that it'd be a good project for them to fix up that engine 
and get it running just as it was used back in the 1920s or so, and 
experiment with different fuels to see what it will run on. Or perhaps 
do some efficiency testing with it running on gasoline, kerosene, and 
maybe alcohol.

I just wouldn't irreversibly modify an antique, as I said.

John

On Dec 29, 2005, at 5:08 PM, James Moran wrote:

> J.C. and others....
>  No matter regarding the  IHC M.  Without repeating the entirety of a 
> previous post, I was  helping a college professor who was guiding a 
> bunch of unfortunate kids  through an investigation of alternative 
> fuels.  I got them a JD  110 for the project (they have zero dough) 
> and I was thinking that,  maybe, a stationary engine might add to 
> their admirable efforts.
>   Guess that is not in the cards, however.
>   I still have the IHC M and looking for a buyer at this point in time.
>   Thank you for your reply, however.
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 16:37:54 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:37:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <7528c45323bf3629634257b1f919af08@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>



John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  Alternative fuels is a different matter from improving efficiency. That 
M as it sits will run on a variety of liquid fuels. Most were designed 
to run on kerosene, which only cost about 40% as much as gasoline at 
the time and was widely available as it was used in lanterns and lamps. 
The carburetor of most will have a small bowl to fill with gasoline for 
starting. As it runs out, the engine's warmed up, and it's switched 
over to run on gasoline. 
  **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?
  Since kerosene is a VERY low octane fuel, they 
also had a separate jet and needle valve for admitting water from the 
engine's cooling jacket to suppress the knocking when the engine was 
running hard on kerosene. Good example of technological adaptation to 
economic circumstances. Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on 
kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced performance. That was a 
common setup in the early 20th century, though.
  **  Yes...that McCormick Deering of mine that I have mentioned and  an old JD crawler (that I no longer have, dammit) were set up in the  same fashion.  Now, if I were to "run" an item such as that, I  would not bother with the "second tank" thing unless I was a true  fanatic, which I am not.

I'd propose that it'd be a good project for them to fix up that engine 
and get it running just as it was used back in the 1920s or so, and 
experiment with different fuels to see what it will run on. Or perhaps 
do some efficiency testing with it running on gasoline, kerosene, and 
maybe alcohol.
  ** As indicated, this professor was trying to do wonderful things on a  shoe string budget.  Thus, the very generous donation of the JD110  for their adventures.  Again...I was only thinking and, if it were  to be appropriate, to donate my IHC for their experiments.

I just wouldn't irreversibly modify an antique, as I said
  ** Noted.

John

On Dec 29, 2005, at 5:08 PM, James Moran wrote:

> J.C. and others....
>  No matter regarding the  IHC M.  Without repeating the entirety of a 
> previous post, I was  helping a college professor who was guiding a 
> bunch of unfortunate kids  through an investigation of alternative 
> fuels.  I got them a JD  110 for the project (they have zero dough) 
> and I was thinking that,  maybe, a stationary engine might add to 
> their admirable efforts.
>   Guess that is not in the cards, however.
>   I still have the IHC M and looking for a buyer at this point in time.
>   Thank you for your reply, however.
>   JM


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 17:41:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:41:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>

>   **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?

Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate" 
certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier 
distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel 
fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.

There were a number of carbureted engines designed to run on heavy 
distillates, but they commonly employed additional measures to handle 
them, like exhaust-heated intake air. Engines designed for the heavier 
distillates were often generically termed "Oil Engines," of which the 
Diesels are a subclass.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 18:03:02 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:03:02 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low rent bastard (they're not all)
In-Reply-To: <43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
References: <000001c60bbd$c2bc90a0$febe123f@oemcomputer>	<6f6025160512280722tb7b0798iab889236c93c4af8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43B40EE1.6070100@insulate.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43B49556.1060909@earthlink.net>

Hi Helen,

Thanks for that. I have had several folks ask permission to use my 
photos. I always grant it for personal use, especially if they want to 
print one for their wall. Many have thanked me for the Maytag rebuild 
article I have on my site. They printed it and used it to do a 
restoration. Makes my heart sing when I can help an engine mate.

Cheers,

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/



Jim French wrote:

> As this is still classed as the festive season, I'd just like you to 
> know that there are some folk around who are not low life, thieving 
> scum!  I received this pleasant and unexpected email today:
>
> ******
> Dear Helen,
>
> I am an archaeologist giving a talk at a conference in Japan in 
> January.  Your
> website - http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/balloon.htm - has a lovely 
> image of
> medieval ridge and furrow.  As the taker of the image you hold the 
> copyright. Would you mind if I copied this image to use in my talk?
>
> Best wishes,
> Don Henson
>
> Education and Outreach Officer
> Council for British Archaeology
>
> ***************
>
> Would I have known if he'd simply taken the picture and used it?  
> Never in a million years! What did it cost him to ask?  A few minutes 
> of his time to type the email.
> Needless to say, my answer was yes, and not only that, I uploaded a 
> selection of similar pictures, full resolution, to my website so that 
> he had a choice.
>
> I know this is slightly different, as he won't be making anything from 
> using my photo, but all the same, it makes the world of difference to 
> be ASKED instead of folk just TAKING.
>
> There.  Doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy now?
>
> Dolly
>



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 18:37:10 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:37:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hmmm....
 Generally "dual fuel" machinery is  designed to "start" on (then expensive) gasoline and then be  transferred to operation by a (then) less expensive fuel source for  long-term use.  I guess we agree that the "then" -vs- "now" factor  throws a monkey wrench into the mix.  Why bother to argue the  point, after all?  It is meaningless now.
  
 JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just  better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?
  
  Jm

John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  >   **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?

Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate" 
certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier 
distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel 
fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.

There were a number of carbureted engines designed to run on heavy 
distillates, but they commonly employed additional measures to handle 
them, like exhaust-heated intake air. Engines designed for the heavier 
distillates were often generically termed "Oil Engines," of which the 
Diesels are a subclass.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From avanti_64 at juno.com  Thu Dec 29 18:54:57 2005
From: avanti_64 at juno.com (avanti_64 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 02:54:57 GMT
Subject: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron
Message-ID: <20051229.185547.17408.259135@webmail45.lax.untd.com>

Let's all send Christine an email telling her that we really appreciate the site (like I just did) Maybe she can give it a little time occasionally. Joe


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From jlb94 at juno.com  Thu Dec 29 18:51:39 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:51:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
Message-ID: <20051229.215745.1168.2.jlb94@juno.com>

Well Luke - 

Whether you can talk good ( or spell) doesn't matter.

Just put it in your own words.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From rotigel at alltel.net  Thu Dec 29 19:15:02 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:15:02 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051229221400.0251a2b8@mail.alltel.net>


>  Seriously...what do you  feel?
>   Jm

Hi Jim, I feel with my hands--with what do you feel?
         Dave



From glenn.karch at gte.net  Thu Dec 29 19:17:26 2005
From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:17:26 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <003501c60cef$9ef4d3c0$cfb3123f@oemcomputer>

Last August a friend of mine ran an IHC 1 1/2 HP M engine on moonshine at a
show.  The fuel was about 180 proof ethyl alcohol made from apples.  A taste
of that tingled for a while.

Glenn Karch
Haubstadt, IN, USA
Hercules Historian



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 19:21:29 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:21:29 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Low Rent Bastard
In-Reply-To: <20051229.215745.1168.2.jlb94@juno.com>
References: <20051229.215745.1168.2.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <43B4A7B9.6070708@earthlink.net>

Hells bell, I do, and life goes on. I can relate to Luke though. Riting 
has never been my forte. I hear beer calling. Bye!

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
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jlb94 at juno.com wrote:

>Well Luke - 
>
>Whether you can talk good ( or spell) doesn't matter.
>
>Just put it in your own words.
>
>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
>jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
> ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
> \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
> (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
>_______________________________________________
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>
>  
>



From transteck at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 19:32:11 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:32:11 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Had to do it!!
Message-ID: <43B4AA3B.4040903@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

Fight fire with fire. Insanity is part of this hobby. Already one 
response. :-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:31&item=7577099516

Jeff

-- 
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transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
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From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Thu Dec 29 19:31:30 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:31:30 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <7528c45323bf3629634257b1f919af08@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>

> Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on 
> kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced
performance. 

Not worth the trouble, John?  Oh my!  Some might say that
running old engines isn't worth the trouble when you can get
a brand new Honda motor that has five times the horsepower
at 1/20 the weight.  In my opinion, running an engine on her
intended fuel is a glorious thing.  Yep.  Downright
wonderful.

Now what's all this about "reduced performance?"  Just
curious.

Rob




From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 19:41:36 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:41:36 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c52751ed7979e941a0a0e2f14340fb46@chartertn.net>

On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:37 PM, James Moran wrote:

> Hmmm....
>  Generally "dual fuel" machinery is  designed to "start" on (then 
> expensive) gasoline and then be  transferred to operation by a (then) 
> less expensive fuel source for  long-term use.

Which is what I said was done.

> I guess we agree that the "then" -vs- "now" factor  throws a monkey 
> wrench into the mix.  Why bother to argue the  point, after all?  It 
> is meaningless now.

Who's arguing?

>  JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) 
> to it, I could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a 
> fifty mile radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise 
> or is it just  better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  
> Seriously...what do you  feel?

I think anyone on the List would heartily agree that it'd be most 
worthwhile! :-)

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From johnculp at chartertn.net  Thu Dec 29 19:50:20 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:50:20 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <af9c86fb814ea3afae9b579c0394e136@chartertn.net>

Oh, I run mine on kerosene, and even replumbed the water line as it 
originally was. It's not worthwhile for the reasons you stated, but 
it's great fun to do it the old way.

Any knocking beyond a slight rattle reduces engine power and efficiency 
considerably, and the kerosene burns more slowly because it's only 
partially vaporized in the M at ignition. It runs hotter, the exhaust 
"barks" more loudly, and it blows more fire out the exhaust. When you 
have to run the water injection to stop knocking, it further slows fuel 
evaporation and combustion and absorbs heat as it vaporizes. 
Compensating for these effects is doubtless why IHC set the ignitor M 
up with a fixed ignition timing 45? BTDC, which is certainly an 
inefficient setting for normal running under load on gasoline at 600 
RPM.

John

On Dec 29, 2005, at 10:31 PM, Rob Skinner wrote:

>> Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on
>> kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced
> performance.
>
> Not worth the trouble, John?  Oh my!  Some might say that
> running old engines isn't worth the trouble when you can get
> a brand new Honda motor that has five times the horsepower
> at 1/20 the weight.  In my opinion, running an engine on her
> intended fuel is a glorious thing.  Yep.  Downright
> wonderful.
>
> Now what's all this about "reduced performance?"  Just
> curious.


John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Thu Dec 29 20:06:44 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:06:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

This isinteresting. I run my old "M" on kerosene or lamp oil  all the time. 
I like the smell of it.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moran" <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


> Hmmm....
> Generally "dual fuel" machinery is  designed to "start" on (then 
> expensive) gasoline and then be  transferred to operation by a (then) less 
> expensive fuel source for  long-term use.  I guess we agree that the 
> "then" -vs- "now" factor  throws a monkey wrench into the mix.  Why bother 
> to argue the  point, after all?  It is meaningless now.
>
> JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, 
> I could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile 
> radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?
>
>  Jm
>
> John Culp <johnculp at chartertn.net> wrote:  >   **   I assume that you 
> meant to say kero or distillate, no?
>
> Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate"
> certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier
> distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel
> fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.
>
> There were a number of carbureted engines designed to run on heavy
> distillates, but they commonly employed additional measures to handle
> them, like exhaust-heated intake air. Engines designed for the heavier
> distillates were often generically termed "Oil Engines," of which the
> Diesels are a subclass.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From tchristoff at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 29 20:18:56 2005
From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 22:18:56 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Had to do it!!
Message-ID: <410-220051253041856890@earthlink.net>

Shall we start a chart with guesses to when this one gets pulled?  You
could pick a time and date and put in a buck for each guess.  The winner
could get the satisfaction of knowing he or she got the right time and the
money could be given to the chairty auction.

Tim Christoff
Basehor Kansas


> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Allen <transteck at earthlink.net>
> To: Oldengine list <stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; The SEL email
discussion list <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Date: 12/29/2005 9:34:32 PM
> Subject: [SEL] Had to do it!!
>
> Hi all,
>
> Fight fire with fire. Insanity is part of this hobby. Already one 
> response. :-)
>
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>
> Jeff
>
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 29 20:49:14 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:49:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135918154.43b4bc4ab823b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

A provocative statement fer sure.  Is this "unearthing" as in a bunch of old
iron buried and rusting away?  Or is it a dump site for modern aluminum Briggs
& Strattons?

Is it one or more of the collectors who started in the hobby in the 50's and
60's (when you could buy a running IHC "M" or Hercules or other for $25) and
who now has a barn full of hundreds of engines?  In this case, those engines
will most likely enter "circulation" at an auction when the old gent pops his
clogs and the widow dumps the horde.

Talk to us Jim.  We need more info before we can get breathless and excited.

Quoting James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>:

> JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I
> could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile
> radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com


From fero_ah at city-net.com  Thu Dec 29 20:57:38 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 23:57:38 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Skip,

Before he sold it, we ran Dave Rotigel's 12 hp T/G Hercules on kero.  That
engine was DEFINITELY happier running on kero than running on gas.  It ran
steadier, generally firing every 4-stroke cycle and had a softer, more mellow
exhaust note.  On gas she'd often fire every other 4-stroke cycle and had a
much sharper bark.

I've also always run my 5 hp Petter "M" on kero.  It only tastes a bowlful of
gas at startup.  And you're right; burning kero adds a lovely smell to the show
grounds.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

Quoting Skip Cleveland <OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com>:

> This isinteresting. I run my old "M" on kerosene or lamp oil  all the time. 
> I like the smell of it.



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 30 02:07:02 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:07:02 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com><00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <002801c60d28$c8bb5150$064d1152@no1>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


Snip
> I've also always run my 5 hp Petter "M" on kero.  It only tastes a bowlful of
> gas at startup.  And you're right; burning kero adds a lovely smell to the show
> grounds.  8-))
> See ya,  Arnie

Hi Arnie, I am glad you explained that. I got so worried when someone told me 
you had been Spotted doing something dirty in a field. 8^)
(Petter Spots for the un-initiated)

Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 02:34:57 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:34:57 +0800
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
Message-ID: <003b01c60d2c$b2196a50$ce2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>

Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and sundry that the topic is
going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about bloody e-bay, what Jeff
Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I can delete and I do with
such regularity.
Peter Ogborne
Little Grove ,Albany
West Australia
''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
jopeter at omninet.net.au




From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 02:37:42 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:37:42 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron
References: <20051229.185547.17408.259135@webmail45.lax.untd.com>
Message-ID: <004901c60d2d$13c45080$ce2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>

Good idea Joe ...will do so immediately. It is such a good site and just 
about covers everything to do with our hobby.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <avanti_64 at juno.com>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Harrolds Old Iron


> Let's all send Christine an email telling her that we really appreciate 
> the site (like I just did) Maybe she can give it a little time 
> occasionally. Joe
>
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From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 30 03:16:48 2005
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:16:48 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
Message-ID: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

G'day, 
I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model D has 3.5" hole centres on the throttle body. Can anyone point me to a source of technical information, please?

Ian Browning
Arcadia, NSW, Australia

From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 03:28:12 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:28:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
In-Reply-To: <003b01c60d2c$b2196a50$ce2b8795@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <20051230112812.25377.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fair Suck Of The Sav Peter

You got heat stroke or something?
surely you remember your topic that started another
war with the Yanks about your visit to the scrap yard.
I checked, you must have forgot to put OT in the
original Subject
but we all make mistakes.

having fun again

Kerry
All the best my friend 8-))




--- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:

> Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and
> sundry that the topic is
> going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about
> bloody e-bay, what Jeff
> Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I
> can delete and I do with
> such regularity.
> Peter Ogborne
> Little Grove ,Albany
> West Australia
> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
> jopeter at omninet.net.au
> 
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From ozhornsby at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 03:49:16 2005
From: ozhornsby at yahoo.com (Kerry Morris)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 03:49:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
In-Reply-To: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20051230114916.41505.qmail@web35402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

G'day Ian
I did a quick search on Goggle

found a few sites 
try
www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/carburetor/scheblerD.html
they may be a place to talk to for further info

Kerry Morris
Lithgow NSW Oz


--- Ian Browning <isandian at bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> G'day, 
> I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model
> D has 3.5" hole centres on the throttle body. Can
> anyone point me to a source of technical
> information, please?
> 
> Ian Browning
> Arcadia, NSW, Australia
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 04:17:13 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:17:13 +0800
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
References: <20051230112812.25377.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c60d3a$fac50d00$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Yes you are correct Kerry maybe it is heat stroke but then again it is not 
hot here.....but I am sick of hearing about E-Bay
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] innane topic.....OT


> Fair Suck Of The Sav Peter
>
> You got heat stroke or something?
> surely you remember your topic that started another
> war with the Yanks about your visit to the scrap yard.
> I checked, you must have forgot to put OT in the
> original Subject
> but we all make mistakes.
>
> having fun again
>
> Kerry
> All the best my friend 8-))
>
>
>
>
> --- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and
>> sundry that the topic is
>> going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about
>> bloody e-bay, what Jeff
>> Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I
>> can delete and I do with
>> such regularity.
>> Peter Ogborne
>> Little Grove ,Albany
>> West Australia
>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>
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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 04:29:08 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:29:08 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
References: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <000701c60d3c$a4e0c2b0$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>

Ian ...it is a bit dark at the moment, otherwise I would go to the shed and 
check for you. Meanwhile have a look at
http://www.oldmarineengine.com/technical/carburetor/scheblerD.html
My guess is that your model D would be the 20mm or 3/4 carb . If you still 
want the info I will check it out tomorrow for you
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Browning" <isandian at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor


> G'day,
> I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model D has 3.5" hole 
> centres on the throttle body. Can anyone point me to a source of technical 
> information, please?
>
> Ian Browning
> Arcadia, NSW, Australia
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From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 30 04:52:52 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:52:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
In-Reply-To: <001401c60d3a$fac50d00$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>
References: <20051230112812.25377.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<001401c60d3a$fac50d00$89b731cb@ogborneuah38i3>
Message-ID: <4584.165.206.180.19.1135947172.squirrel@www.antique-engines.com>

But ebait is an integral part of how some of our toys are now bought or
sold or otherwise acquired. It's good to know what's happening, just like
I would want to know if a list member attempted to buy IN PERSON from
someone and got ripped off and they then found this seller had a habit of
ripping people off. Or they had found out a person on Harry's site, or in
GEM was ripping people off - we'd want to know.

EBAIT is simply the medium, it's still a transaction just like you tell of
buying or selling from a neighbor during a visit to their garage or
someone tells of a purchase gone sour through GEM or whatever.

I hope the tonic in your new years drink is better than what must've been
in your Christmas cheer.  ;-)


Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA

> Yes you are correct Kerry maybe it is heat stroke but then again it is not
> hot here.....but I am sick of hearing about E-Bay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Morris" <ozhornsby at yahoo.com>
> To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [SEL] innane topic.....OT
>
>
>> Fair Suck Of The Sav Peter
>>
>> You got heat stroke or something?
>> surely you remember your topic that started another
>> war with the Yanks about your visit to the scrap yard.
>> I checked, you must have forgot to put OT in the
>> original Subject
>> but we all make mistakes.
>>
>> having fun again
>>
>> Kerry
>> All the best my friend 8-))
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- peter ogborne <jopeter at omninet.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't it about time we got back to telling all and
>>> sundry that the topic is
>>> going to be OT....I am sick of seeing comments about
>>> bloody e-bay, what Jeff
>>> Allen ate and other such infantile subjects. Yes I
>>> can delete and I do with
>>> such regularity.
>>> Peter Ogborne
>>> Little Grove ,Albany
>>> West Australia
>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast ''
>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> SEL mailing list
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>>>
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>>
>>
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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 06:02:10 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 06:02:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <1135918154.43b4bc4ab823b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

AF-
 To your first point...if these things are  to be found, I would guess that they would be more inclined to be  "buried and rusting away".  After all, that is how I came across  the IHC M.  No "dump sites" as you term it.
 This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to  agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and the farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of the land along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course, is hardly unique to my area.
 In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down some particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside of such out  structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's etc., some  Olivers and Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,  such arrangements would also yield some engines that have been  relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years ago but never  discarded.  The folks up this way were largely products of the  depression and the mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
 Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it" (if anyone ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and ask the right questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.   As I wrote, tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.  Does it follow the h-'n-m  would as well?  
  Just thinking.
  JM

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Jim,

A provocative statement fer sure.  Is this "unearthing" as in a bunch of old
iron buried and rusting away?  Or is it a dump site for modern aluminum Briggs
& Strattons?

Is it one or more of the collectors who started in the hobby in the 50's and
60's (when you could buy a running IHC "M" or Hercules or other for $25) and
who now has a barn full of hundreds of engines?  In this case, those engines
will most likely enter "circulation" at an auction when the old gent pops his
clogs and the widow dumps the horde.

Talk to us Jim.  We need more info before we can get breathless and excited.

Quoting James Moran :

> JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I
> could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile
> radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com
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From mullt at att.net  Fri Dec 30 06:22:25 2005
From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:22:25 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
Message-ID: <123020051422.19221.43B542A0000CA71500004B1521604666489B04049A03@att.net>

Jim,

Why do you think an add in the classifieds of a newspaper that servers such an area would not work?

I saw such an add in a paper some time ago, but I don't know what kind of responses he got. I only saw it once.  I have put adds in papers looking for antiques in the past and gotten a few worthwhile responses. You could spend a lot of money on adds before you spend as much as you would driving around knocking on doors.

Tom in St. Louis
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: James Moran <jrmoraninc at yahoo.com>
> AF-
>  To your first point...if these things are  to be found, I would guess that they 
> would be more inclined to be  "buried and rusting away".  After all, that is how 
> I came across  the IHC M.  No "dump sites" as you term it.
>  This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to  
> agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and the 
> farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of the land 
> along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course, is hardly unique 
> to my area.
>  In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down some 
> particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside of such out  
> structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's etc., some  Olivers and 
> Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,  such arrangements would also 
> yield some engines that have been  relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years 
> ago but never  discarded.  The folks up this way were largely products of the  
> depression and the mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
>  Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it" (if anyone 
> ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and ask the right 
> questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.   As I wrote, 
> tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.  Does it follow the 
> h-'n-m  would as well?  
>   Just thinking.
>   JM
> 
> fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Jim,
> 
> A provocative statement fer sure.  Is this "unearthing" as in a bunch of old
> iron buried and rusting away?  Or is it a dump site for modern aluminum Briggs
> & Strattons?
> 
> Is it one or more of the collectors who started in the hobby in the 50's and
> 60's (when you could buy a running IHC "M" or Hercules or other for $25) and
> who now has a barn full of hundreds of engines?  In this case, those engines
> will most likely enter "circulation" at an auction when the old gent pops his
> clogs and the widow dumps the horde.
> 
> Talk to us Jim.  We need more info before we can get breathless and excited.
> 
> Quoting James Moran :
> 
> > JC...I have a  sneaking suspicion that, if I put my mind (and body) to it, I
> > could  unearth hundreds of engines within (let's just say) a fifty mile
> > radius  of my home.  Should I bother with such an exercise or is it just 
> > better to let these sleeping dogs lie?  Seriously...what do you  feel?
> 
> See ya,  Arnie
> 
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
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From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 30 06:24:04 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:24:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

Your basic reasoning is sound; hence the use of the expression "barn
fresh" in some folk's engine ads.  Sadly, you're more likely to find old
agricultural impliments, dead tractors, and newer engines than old
engines.  I think one of the reasons for this was the intense scrap iron
drives that were conducted during WWII.  These same depression era folks
who never threw anything away, were also very patriotic and went into
their barns and outbuildings and dragged those old engines out for the
scrappie.  Somewhere I saw a WWII era photo of railroad cars full of scrap
iron and you could see spoked flywheels everywhere.  Tt was enough to
break your heart.  OTOH, we're still speaking English.  8-))

However, having said that, many rural areas of New England are still
treasure troves for old engines.  Charlie Bryant had a network of
"finders" who would locate engines in the backwoods of Maine and
elsewhere.  Charlie would make twice-yearly road trips from Missouri to
buy these engines.  Enough engines to make the trip worthwhile.

A good friend, Matt Picaro, used to drive the back roads as much as
possible "looking for flywheels" in the hedgerows.  He would also watch
for "Farm for Sale" signs.  He'd stop and ask if he could check out the
condition of the barn and outbuildings; but would actually be looking for
engines.  He would also look for fallen-down outbuildings as these were
often the pump houses over disused wells.  Find an engine AND a nice pump
to go with it.

Dave Rotigel got his first two engines via a want ad in the local weekly
rag.

Other good stratagies include putting an engine in the bed of your pickup
and parking on the street at the center of one of these small, rural
towns.  Get up in the bed and start working on the engine, running it from
time to time.  Lots of folks will stop to look and chat.  You'd be
surprised how often, someone will say "I've got one of these old things in
the barn, would you be interested?"

The other thing to do is to include a sign that sez something like "I buy
engines" to display with your engines at local shows.  The small local
shows, Ag fairs, etc. are the best for the engine hunter.  Lots of folks
attending are "tourists" not engine folks.  They will often tell you
that they know where an engine "just like that one there" is located.  It
doesn't matter if yours is common as mud or is ultra rare.  The tourist
sees spoked flywheels and a heavy chunk of iron and remembers seeing
something similar.  The "treasure" could end up being anything from a
stuck, stripped, broken, and worn out Fairbanks Morse to a rare engine in
mint condition.

The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
can be as much fun as the find.

Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.

Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?

One of the wildest I ever heard of was a buddy of Craig Prucha who would
go up in an ultralight in the dead of winter flying over the woods looking
for oilfield engines and power houses.  He found quite a few that way.
Don't forget to visit those backwoods country bars and buy rounds of
drinks.  Those hunters may have seen flywheels while tracking deer.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

> This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to
> agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and
> the farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of
> the land along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course,
> is hardly unique to my area.
>
> In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down
> some particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside
> of such out  structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's
> etc., some  Olivers and Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,
> such arrangements would also yield some engines that have been
> relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years ago but never  discarded.
>
> The folks up this way were largely products of the  depression and the
> mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
> Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it"
> (if anyone ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and
> ask the right questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.
> As I wrote, tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.
> Does it follow the h-'n-m  would as well?


From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 30 07:02:44 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:02:44 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20051230.100951.1392.7.jlb94@juno.com>

I run my 1926 Witte "K"  2.5 hp on Kerosene all the time.

Seems to run smoother on Kero than on Gas.


Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
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From jlb94 at juno.com  Fri Dec 30 06:47:24 2005
From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:47:24 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20051230.100951.1392.3.jlb94@juno.com>

Seriously...what do you  feel?
=        =        =        =        =        
Hi Jim,

I seriously feel that - If you could unearth 2 or 3 (not hundreds)
engines,
it would be well worth your time & effort.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 30 08:01:36 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 08:01:36 -0800
Subject: [SEL] RE: Hot bulb/hot tube
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051230132144.00a76590@mail.cyberserv.co.za>
Message-ID: <011201c60d5a$519eb0d0$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Also - Does the description "Hot bulb" or "Hot tube" 
> mean the same thing or are they different animals.

Hi Jerry,
They are both methods of "surface ignition," whereby the
fuel/air charge is ignited by contact with a surface of
sufficient temperature to initiate combustion. 

The specific details are a grey area, as each manufacturer
injected their own nuances into the designs.  Generally, the
differences are well defined, but perhaps someone will
supply examples of engines that defy categorization.

In a hot tube engine, the fuel/air mixture does not come
into contact with the hot surface before the point of
ignition.  As the mixture is compressed, it is compressed
into the hollow tube that is closed at one end.  When the
mixture reaches critical temperature, it ignites, the flame
travels up the tube, and BANG.

"Hot bulb" seems to be a nouveau term that was not used by
the classical engine developers.  "Vaporizer" was used by
the old-timers and it is a more descriptive term.  The
vaporizer serves the dual purpose of aiding the vaporization
of fuel AND the ignition of the fuel.  

Neither of these terms should be confused with what is now
called a "semi-Diesel" -- an engine with compression lower
than that of a Diesel which requires pre-heating of the head
to supplement the heat of compression to initiate
combustion.

=-=-=-=-=-=
Rob Skinner
La Habra, California
mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com
http://www.rustyiron.com 







From oldengin at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 08:41:07 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:41:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>

John Culp wrote:

>>   **   I assume that you meant to say kero or distillate, no?
>
>
> Mine specifies on its label "Gasoline or Kerosene." "Distillate" 
> certainly covers a lot of ground, but generally meant heavier 
> distillates than kerosene, like "Gas Oil" or what we now call Diesel 
> fuel. I've tried running my M on Diesel. Doesn't work for crap.
>
John, I ran a six "M" on diesel and have witnesses!  She ran well and 
sure did smoke a bunch, we also ran on kero and then ran on 100% 
achohol. The key was she was already boiling when we switched her over 
to the diesel.

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com  Fri Dec 30 09:02:36 2005
From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:02:36 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Way Mixer Re-Casting
References: <BAY109-DAV9A177FD4BA503473D28EEBB360@phx.gbl>
	<01fd01c60c10$5b69aca0$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV45998C277CAE5EA4C5268BB280@phx.gbl>

Rick, I will work on getting the dimensions today, and some more pictures of 
the mounting bracket.

  Question please to all the New Way owners:

 Ya'll know that there's no needle valve.  How do I remove what I'm going to 
call "the main jet?" i.e. the brass tube with the small hole in the side? 
Are there TWO sets of male and female threads..one set on each side of the 
mixer?

  I also think that on re-assembly the hole (jet) should be positioned 
straight up and then locked with the external lock nut.  Believe the air 
rushing around the circumference of the tube would create a low pressure 
area on the back side where the jet(hole) is, and this would create the 
"venturi effect."  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well enuf fer now.
Thanks
RickinMt.
PS:  Are there any decals available?



> Rick,
>
>  What are the dimensions of the casting?  Can you get a picture that shows
> the mounting brackets?    What is the configuration of the interior of the
> part?  Would it be possible to cast it solid and just drill out the
> passageways inside?  I do have some standard size round cores which I 
> could
> possibly use to save you the trouble of making a core box.
>
> Rick Rowlands
> Tod Engine Works
> Makers of Quality iron, steel, ductile iron
> and nonferrous castings
> 2261 Hubbard Road
> Youngstown, OH  44505
> 330-728-2799
> Fax 330-759-1524
> www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 09:15:51 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 09:15:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230.100951.1392.3.jlb94@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20051230171551.46081.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

OK-
  Perhaps "hundreds" was a bit hyperbolic.  Then, again, the  majority of the area in upstate New York (other than  Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/Binghamton) is fairly rural in  nature.  Many people in other parts of the country hear "New York"  and they think of 3rd and 42nd ;-).
  Maybe I'll take a shot at this by picking out some particular county  road and take "pot luck" at a likely looking house/barn or two.
  Again, I could be totally off base and find nothing at all.  As  indicated, my "clue" is all of the tractors that I see laying around.
  Who knows?
  JM

jlb94 at juno.com wrote:  Seriously...what do you  feel?
=        =        =        =        =        
Hi Jim,

I seriously feel that - If you could unearth 2 or 3 (not hundreds)
engines,
it would be well worth your time & effort.

Joe "Pip" Betz said that. 
jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz
 ,-._,-.          http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz
 \/)"(\/        Plan ahead -
 (_o_)          it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.
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From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 09:22:17 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:22:17 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines(Or at least one at
	a time!)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230120745.0253b438@mail.alltel.net>


>Dave Rotigel got his first two engines via a want ad in the local weekly
>rag.
>The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
>can be as much fun as the find.
>Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.
>Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?
>See ya,  Arnie

All good suggestions Arnie! I would add one more--tell everyone that you 
know/meet that you buy and collect stationary engines. Showing them a 
picture of one helps since many won't know whet the hell you are talking 
about! Then after a while people will start to call you with leads. Only 
last week a friend who owns a local watering hole told me of an engine ai a 
stotr about 20 miles from me. i went to have a look and in the back room of 
the store was a 2 1/2 HP Hercules built engine w/a newly rebuilt Webster 
magneto and ignitor. (Granted the mag and ignitor were rebuilt 25 years 
ago, but they were in the box sent by the rebuilder (a guy who still 
advertises in GEM) and had never been put on the engine. The store owners 
father had purchased the engine, sent the mag/ignitor out to have it 
rebuilt and then turned room temperature before he put the mag/ignitor back 
on the engine. The guy who owns the engine now said he has no interest in 
it and would "like to get $700.00 for it." Next week when I return from FL 
I'll take five 100 dollar bills to him and probably come home with the 
engine! Time will tell on this engine, but it's not the first time that a 
friend has called to my attention an engine that is (or may be) available!
         Dave
PS, The problem with a 2 1/2 Hercules built engine is that it's a bastard 
size--too big for skids and too small for a dedicated trailer! 



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 30 09:14:13 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:14:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512301210580.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hiya Leroy,

Didn't you also try paint thinner successfully?  That was a fun afternoon
of "experiments."  Folks coming up with cans in hand saying, "Let's try
THIS."  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

PS - Leroy drew the line at trying Genny Cream Ale.

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Leroy wrote:

> John, I ran a six "M" on diesel and have witnesses!  She ran well and
> sure did smoke a bunch, we also ran on kero and then ran on 100%
> achohol. The key was she was already boiling when we switched her over
> to the diesel.



From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 09:58:58 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:58:58 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers/now Fuel
In-Reply-To: <43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>
	<43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>


>John, I ran a six "M" on diesel and have witnesses!  She ran well and sure 
>did smoke a bunch, we also ran on kero and then ran on 100% achohol. The 
>key was she was already boiling when we switched her over to the diesel.
>  C-ya
>         Leroy Clark

Ypu and i was there! As a matter of fact it was I who supplied the diesel 
if I recall correctly. I bought a 5 gal plastic gas can for $1.50 at the 
flea market at the Findlay show. There were about 2 gal's. of diesel in the 
can (that's back when diesel was only $1.50 per gal.--but still a good 
deal.) Anyway Leroy poured the diesel into his "M" and it ran just fine for 
the rest of the show. Such is life in the "low rent district!"
         Dave
PS, What Leroy has not told anyone to this day is that he eventually tried 
to run the M on Old Mill. THAT didn't work so well! 



From dave.croft at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 30 10:07:26 2005
From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:07:26 -0000
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <004401c60d6b$e5508900$064d1152@no1>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arnie Fero" <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines


Very very big Snip

> The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
> can be as much fun as the find.
> Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.
> Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?
> One of the wildest I ever heard of was a buddy of Craig Prucha who would
> go up in an ultralight in the dead of winter flying over the woods looking
> for oilfield engines and power houses.  He found quite a few that way.
> Don't forget to visit those backwoods country bars and buy rounds of
> drinks.  Those hunters may have seen flywheels while tracking deer.  8-))
> See ya,  Arnie

25 years ago there were still engines to be found on farms in England  & I covered many 
miles searching to find the many engines I owned over the years.
The hardest thing in the early days was when I offered a good price to a farmer he would never sell.
After a while I cottoned on and started offering 1/3 or 1/2 of the value of the engine.
Farmers do not believe that an offered price is the correct price.
I started upping my offers in stages & arguing & eventually I usually bought the engine for less than what 
I would have offered in the early days. The farmer was happy he had knocked the price up!
Dave Croft
Warrington
England
http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv


From flywheelin at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 30 10:22:34 2005
From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 18:22:34 +0000
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <00de01c60cf1$87651c40$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F404367CD228B905CA3CC68C8280@phx.gbl>

Right on Rob. An engine running on kero has a lovely exhaust smell too!

Luke Tonneberger
Rockford, Michigan
USA

=====================

>From: "Rob Skinner" <rskinner at rustyiron.com>
>
> > Now it's a good bit more expensive to run on
> > kerosene, and not worth the trouble and reduced
> > performance.
>
>Not worth the trouble, John? In my opinion, running an engine on her
>intended fuel is a glorious thing.  Yep.  Downright
>wonderful.
>
>Rob
>




From curt at imc-group.com  Fri Dec 30 10:37:39 2005
From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:37:39 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers/now Fuel
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>	<9554edaebeabda8c3729e9883e690ef1@chartertn.net>	<43B56323.1010600@verizon.net>
	<6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <43B57E73.4080704@imc-group.com>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>         Dave
> PS, What Leroy has not told anyone to this day is that he eventually 
> tried to run the M on Old Mill. THAT didn't work so well!

Just goes to prove that IHC M's have better taste than you Dave :-)
Couldn't resist....
Curt Holland



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Fri Dec 30 10:45:39 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:45:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <20051230171551.46081.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051230171551.46081.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512301339310.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>

Hi Jim,

> Perhaps "hundreds" was a bit hyperbolic.  Then, again, the  majority
> of the area in upstate New York (other than
> Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/Binghamton) is fairly rural in
> nature.

> Maybe I'll take a shot at this by picking out some particular county
> road and take "pot luck" at a likely looking house/barn or two.

Just keep one thing in mind...  Better ask before you go prowling around
the barns and sheds.  And occasionally, when you go up to the door of a
house in the country where you're not expected, you might just be looking
down a large bore barrel.  Be polite, friendly, and keep your hands where
they can be seen.  And if the answer is no, thank the folks, and leave
quietly.

See ya,  Arnie


From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 11:17:58 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:17:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512301339310.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051230191758.50169.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

AF-
  Of course.  I was not thinking along the lines of breaking and  entering :-)  My wife's family has an 8 generation in these parts  and, maybe, that can be used to an advantage in some way.  Again,  we'll see.  Anyway, I am not planning on getting shot over an old  engine.
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

> Perhaps "hundreds" was a bit hyperbolic.  Then, again, the  majority
> of the area in upstate New York (other than
> Buffalo/Rochester/Syracuse/Albany/Binghamton) is fairly rural in
> nature.

> Maybe I'll take a shot at this by picking out some particular county
> road and take "pot luck" at a likely looking house/barn or two.

Just keep one thing in mind...  Better ask before you go prowling around
the barns and sheds.  And occasionally, when you go up to the door of a
house in the country where you're not expected, you might just be looking
down a large bore barrel.  Be polite, friendly, and keep your hands where
they can be seen.  And if the answer is no, thank the folks, and leave
quietly.

See ya,  Arnie
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From listerdiesel at gmail.com  Fri Dec 30 12:55:05 2005
From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:55:05 +0000
Subject: [SEL] John Hammink's website modifications
Message-ID: <6f6025160512301255x235c85a8t46f5431ed4ede6cd@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick note to confirm that John's website has been modified to
take out his home email link, and a note has been put on the front
page to record John's passing in late 2005.

If anyone has any problems with the site after these mod's, please
give me a shout.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com
Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 13:20:20 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 13:20:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20051230212021.13922.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Sometimes you folks mention pumps in terms of the  engines being used to power them.  One of the things on the  property that might be of interest is the pump that was powered by the  McCormick Deering 10-20.  It is of pretty fair size and  weight...it is secured to a poured concrete block that is (maybe) three  feet off of ground level.  I would judge that the output pipe is  2+" in diameter.  The "wheels still turn".  Wondering if this  pumping system could be powered by a stationary engine (can't see why  not).  Again, this pump (like the tractor) was sheltered all these  years.  Any interest or comments?
  JM

Arnie Fero <fero_ah at city-net.com> wrote:  Hi Jim,

Your basic reasoning is sound; hence the use of the expression "barn
fresh" in some folk's engine ads.  Sadly, you're more likely to find old
agricultural impliments, dead tractors, and newer engines than old
engines.  I think one of the reasons for this was the intense scrap iron
drives that were conducted during WWII.  These same depression era folks
who never threw anything away, were also very patriotic and went into
their barns and outbuildings and dragged those old engines out for the
scrappie.  Somewhere I saw a WWII era photo of railroad cars full of scrap
iron and you could see spoked flywheels everywhere.  Tt was enough to
break your heart.  OTOH, we're still speaking English.  8-))

However, having said that, many rural areas of New England are still
treasure troves for old engines.  Charlie Bryant had a network of
"finders" who would locate engines in the backwoods of Maine and
elsewhere.  Charlie would make twice-yearly road trips from Missouri to
buy these engines.  Enough engines to make the trip worthwhile.

A good friend, Matt Picaro, used to drive the back roads as much as
possible "looking for flywheels" in the hedgerows.  He would also watch
for "Farm for Sale" signs.  He'd stop and ask if he could check out the
condition of the barn and outbuildings; but would actually be looking for
engines.  He would also look for fallen-down outbuildings as these were
often the pump houses over disused wells.  Find an engine AND a nice pump
to go with it.

Dave Rotigel got his first two engines via a want ad in the local weekly
rag.

Other good stratagies include putting an engine in the bed of your pickup
and parking on the street at the center of one of these small, rural
towns.  Get up in the bed and start working on the engine, running it from
time to time.  Lots of folks will stop to look and chat.  You'd be
surprised how often, someone will say "I've got one of these old things in
the barn, would you be interested?"

The other thing to do is to include a sign that sez something like "I buy
engines" to display with your engines at local shows.  The small local
shows, Ag fairs, etc. are the best for the engine hunter.  Lots of folks
attending are "tourists" not engine folks.  They will often tell you
that they know where an engine "just like that one there" is located.  It
doesn't matter if yours is common as mud or is ultra rare.  The tourist
sees spoked flywheels and a heavy chunk of iron and remembers seeing
something similar.  The "treasure" could end up being anything from a
stuck, stripped, broken, and worn out Fairbanks Morse to a rare engine in
mint condition.

The bottom line is that they are still out there in the wild and the hunt
can be as much fun as the find.

Go for it!!  And be sure to post the tales of the hunts and the finds.

Anyone else have any thoughts to share on how to find engines in the wild?

One of the wildest I ever heard of was a buddy of Craig Prucha who would
go up in an ultralight in the dead of winter flying over the woods looking
for oilfield engines and power houses.  He found quite a few that way.
Don't forget to visit those backwoods country bars and buy rounds of
drinks.  Those hunters may have seen flywheels while tracking deer.  8-))

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, James Moran wrote:

> This part of  upstate/western New York was once heavily committed to
> agriculture.  As time went by, the suburbs spread out from the  city and
> the farmers sold off their property, yet retained some small  portion of
> the land along with the house and barn/outbuildings.   This, of course,
> is hardly unique to my area.
>
> In proximity to my  house such situations abound.  As one drives down
> some particular  county road,  old, no longer used tractors sit inside
> of such out  structures.  They tend to be McCormicks, For 8n/850's
> etc., some  Olivers and Massey Ferguson, etc.   To my way of thinking,
> such arrangements would also yield some engines that have been
> relegated to a dark corner, abandoned years ago but never  discarded.
>
> The folks up this way were largely products of the  depression and the
> mindset was that nothing was ever too broken to  throw away.
> Of course, I could be very, very wrong.  The only  way to "go at it"
> (if anyone ever does so) would be to, more or less,  knock on doors and
> ask the right questions. Running ads in the penny  saver would not work.
> As I wrote, tractors and related  implements are all over the landscape.
> Does it follow the h-'n-m  would as well?
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From oldengin at verizon.net  Fri Dec 30 13:57:41 2005
From: oldengin at verizon.net (Leroy)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:57:41 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers/now Fuel
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230125054.0256e678@mail.alltel.net>
References: <20051230003754.56326.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <43B5AD55.8050505@verizon.net>

Dave Rotigel wrote:

>
>  Such is life in the "low rent district!"
>         Dave
> PS, What Leroy has not told anyone to this day is that he eventually 
> tried to run the M on Old Mill. THAT didn't work so well!
>
>
Dave, I might have had better luck had I remembered to use the ole mill 
direct.....   The recycled stuff just would not keep it running. And Yes 
Arnie I did have success with paint thinner also, that engin has run 
after this time and still not been pulled and cleaned from all those 
different "FUEL"sssssssss.

-- 
  C-ya
	Leroy Clark




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 14:35:12 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <20051230212021.13922.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
	<20051230212021.13922.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230173143.0252bed8@mail.alltel.net>


>  Wondering if this  pumping system could be powered by a stationary 
> engine (can't see why  not).
>   JM

Anything that is big enough to pull the pump and that has a shaft to which 
a (flat belt?) pulley can be attached will work.
         Dave  



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 30 15:21:41 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:21:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230173143.0252bed8@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051230232141.67338.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

DR-
 Yes, it is much as you described.   "In the day", the McCormick Deering was used as the source of power to  transfer fuel products from delivery trucks to three separate 20,000  gallons each above ground tanks (one each for gasoline, kero, and fuel  oil).  I was asking in that I thought maybe one of you "engine  display enthusiasts" could demonstrate pumping apparatus.  Again,  just a thought/  BTW, the belts are still there.
  JM

Dave Rotigel <rotigel at alltel.net> wrote:  
>  Wondering if this  pumping system could be powered by a stationary 
> engine (can't see why  not).
>   JM

Anything that is big enough to pull the pump and that has a shaft to which 
a (flat belt?) pulley can be attached will work.
         Dave  

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From jopeter at omninet.net.au  Fri Dec 30 15:15:37 2005
From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:15:37 +0800
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor
References: <000f01c60d32$871ba6a0$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <001701c60d97$08c77530$a2fd8790@ogborneuah38i3>

Ian ....I am sorry ,i gave you some wrong info . The biggest Schebler carb
that i have has a 1 inch throat and the flange hole centres are at 2.5
inches.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Browning" <isandian at bigpond.net.au>
To: <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: [SEL] Schebler D carburetor


> G'day,
> I am trying to find which size(s) of Schebler Model D has 3.5" hole
> centres on the throttle body. Can anyone point me to a source of technical
> information, please?
>
> Ian Browning
> Arcadia, NSW, Australia
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From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 30 16:29:22 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:29:22 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Re: Unearthing a Horde of Engines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
References: <20051230140210.38699.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.51.0512300853140.56085@vegeta.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <43B5D0E2.9080706@earthlink.net>

Very large snip,

>Other good stratagies include putting an engine in the bed of your pickup
>and parking on the street at the center of one of these small, rural
>towns.
>
Close to what Arnie mentioned, and what a find.
http://frapa.us/Chase/Chase.html
Story on the page. Enjoy!

Jeff

Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/






From transteck at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 30 16:51:33 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:51:33 -0700
Subject: [SEL] Sorry lists
Message-ID: <43B5D615.3020605@earthlink.net>

Seems a few are unhappy with the topic of E-bay and pictures stolen from 
web sites. I posted last night on what I did, and quite honestly no list 
response was needed. Off list is fine. I only wanted to let you know 
what I did. It's been fun and lot's of positive response also. My 
vacation (holiday) started tonight. Many beers call me as I must 
practice for tomorrow nights celebration that is already on in OZ.

Cheers and Happy New Years to all.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From rotigel at alltel.net  Fri Dec 30 17:58:32 2005
From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:58:32 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Sorry lists/E-bay
In-Reply-To: <43B5D615.3020605@earthlink.net>
References: <43B5D615.3020605@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230205605.0259be38@mail.alltel.net>

At 07:51 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote:
>Seems a few are unhappy with the topic of E-bay and pictures stolen from 
>web sites. I posted last night on what I did, and quite honestly no list 
>response was needed. Off list is fine. I only wanted to let you know what 
>I did. It's been fun and lot's of positive response also. My vacation 
>(holiday) started tonight. Many beers call me as I must practice for 
>tomorrow nights celebration that is already on in OZ.
>Cheers and Happy New Years to all.
>Jeff

It's still up Jeff--and I think MOST of us (read that ALL except one sorry 
individual from OZ) appreciate what you have done! All I can say is THANKS 
and Happy New Year!
         Dave



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 30 18:27:46 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:27:46 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>

> Before he sold it, we ran Dave Rotigel's 12 hp T/G Hercules on kero.  
> That
> engine was DEFINITELY happier running on kero than running on gas.  It 
> ran
> steadier, generally firing every 4-stroke cycle and had a softer, more 
> mellow
> exhaust note.  On gas she'd often fire every other 4-stroke cycle and 
> had a
> much sharper bark.

That, paradoxically, is because it's running less efficiently on 
kerosene. The engine slows down and opens its throttle valve a little 
more, which lets in enough fuel-air mixture to make a combustible 
mixture with the noncombustible exhaust gas remaining in the clearance 
space of this low-compression engine. On gasoline it speeds up more 
with a power stroke, the governor responds by closing the throttle 
further, and the small amount of fuel-air mixture is too diluted by 
noncombustible exhaust to fire. As the engine goes on through its cycle 
and flushes that charge out, the next one is combustible AND contains 
part of the fuel-air mixture that was admitted on the previous cycle, 
so it makes a bigger "explosion" in the cylinder, and it repeats. 
8-stroking. The sharp "bark" every other cycle is because more fuel is 
burning than would be if it fired every cycle. Sometimes you can get it 
to settle down and hit every lick while idling on gasoline, and it'll 
quieten down more than it will on the slow-burning kero.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From bill at antique-engines.com  Fri Dec 30 18:30:27 2005
From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:30:27 -0600
Subject: [SEL] Sorry lists/E-bay
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20051230205605.0259be38@mail.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <20051231023107.4DD453FC07C@b0641.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com>

Here-here - don't sweat it, dude.
Happy new year!

Bill
Runnells, Iowa, USA 

-----Original Message-----
From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 7:59 PM
To: The SEL email discussion list
Subject: Re: [SEL] Sorry lists/E-bay

At 07:51 PM 12/30/2005, you wrote:
>Seems a few are unhappy with the topic of E-bay and pictures stolen 
>from web sites. I posted last night on what I did, and quite honestly 
>no list response was needed. Off list is fine. I only wanted to let you 
>know what I did. It's been fun and lot's of positive response also. My 
>vacation
>(holiday) started tonight. Many beers call me as I must practice for 
>tomorrow nights celebration that is already on in OZ.
>Cheers and Happy New Years to all.
>Jeff

It's still up Jeff--and I think MOST of us (read that ALL except one sorry
individual from OZ) appreciate what you have done! All I can say is THANKS
and Happy New Year!
         Dave

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From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Fri Dec 30 19:14:50 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:14:50 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

All right John, your fishing. My "M" fires every time wheather it is running 
on the gas start up tank or kerosene. It sounds the same too. Just don't 
stink as pretty on gas.

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


>> Before he sold it, we ran Dave Rotigel's 12 hp T/G Hercules on kero. 
>> That
>> engine was DEFINITELY happier running on kero than running on gas.  It 
>> ran
>> steadier, generally firing every 4-stroke cycle and had a softer, more 
>> mellow
>> exhaust note.  On gas she'd often fire every other 4-stroke cycle and had 
>> a
>> much sharper bark.
>
> That, paradoxically, is because it's running less efficiently on kerosene. 
> The engine slows down and opens its throttle valve a little more, which 
> lets in enough fuel-air mixture to make a combustible mixture with the 
> noncombustible exhaust gas remaining in the clearance space of this 
> low-compression engine. On gasoline it speeds up more with a power stroke, 
> the governor responds by closing the throttle further, and the small 
> amount of fuel-air mixture is too diluted by noncombustible exhaust to 
> fire. As the engine goes on through its cycle and flushes that charge out, 
> the next one is combustible AND contains part of the fuel-air mixture that 
> was admitted on the previous cycle, so it makes a bigger "explosion" in 
> the cylinder, and it repeats. 8-stroking. The sharp "bark" every other 
> cycle is because more fuel is burning than would be if it fired every 
> cycle. Sometimes you can get it to settle down and hit every lick while 
> idling on gasoline, and it'll quieten down more than it will on the 
> slow-burning kero.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 30 20:45:51 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 23:45:51 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>

> All right John, your fishing. My "M" fires every time wheather it is 
> running on the gas start up tank or kerosene. It sounds the same too. 
> Just don't stink as pretty on gas.

Lots of low compression throttle governed engines do 8-stroke that way 
when running unloaded, though, and for that reason. Yours may have some 
extra drag that keeps it from throttling way down.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 30 20:54:48 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:54:48 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <017c01c60dc6$553af250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> That, paradoxically, is because it's running less
efficiently on 
> kerosene. The engine slows down and opens its throttle
valve a little 
> more, which lets in enough fuel-air mixture to make a
combustible 
> mixture with the noncombustible exhaust gas remaining in
the 
> clearance 
> space of this low-compression engine. On gasoline it
speeds up more 
> with a power stroke, the governor responds by closing the
throttle 
> further, and the small amount of fuel-air mixture is too
diluted by 
> noncombustible exhaust to fire. As the engine goes on
through 
> its cycle 
> and flushes that charge out, the next one is combustible
AND contains 
> part of the fuel-air mixture that was admitted on the
previous cycle, 
> so it makes a bigger "explosion" in the cylinder, and it
repeats. 
> 8-stroking. The sharp "bark" every other cycle is because 
> more fuel is 
> burning than would be if it fired every cycle. Sometimes
you 
> can get it 
> to settle down and hit every lick while idling on
gasoline, and it'll 
> quieten down more than it will on the slow-burning kero.


Sooooo John...
There are a lot of variables that remain undefined in your
and Arnie's scenarios, so we'll just stick with what's been
said so far.

Your above email states that the engine running on gaso
inducts fuel on every cycle, yet only burns fuel on every
other cycle.  My intuition tells me that would not be very
efficient, yet you claim that it is still more efficient
than an engine running on kerosene that derives power from
every cycle.  

That is indeed a paradox.

Rob





From johnculp at chartertn.net  Fri Dec 30 21:28:57 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:28:57 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <017c01c60dc6$553af250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
References: <017c01c60dc6$553af250$0201a8c0@robscomputer>
Message-ID: <211c13e779659be61aba52d736223a52@chartertn.net>

> Sooooo John...
> There are a lot of variables that remain undefined in your
> and Arnie's scenarios, so we'll just stick with what's been
> said so far.
>
> Your above email states that the engine running on gaso
> inducts fuel on every cycle, yet only burns fuel on every
> other cycle.  My intuition tells me that would not be very
> efficient, yet you claim that it is still more efficient
> than an engine running on kerosene that derives power from
> every cycle.
>
> That is indeed a paradox.

Not at all. We're talking about an idling engine, which by definition 
is 0% efficient overall.

The combustion efficiency and conversion of fuel energy to work on a 
single power stroke of that idling engine is higher on gasoline. That's 
why it throttles down, wasting most of the fuel inducted on alternate 
cycles.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 21:51:24 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:51:24 EST
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <20e.10a38dac.30e7765c@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/30/2005 11:36:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
johnculp at chartertn.net writes:
The combustion efficiency and conversion of fuel energy to work on a 
single power stroke of that idling engine is higher on gasoline. That's 
why it throttles down, wasting most of the fuel inducted on alternate 
cycles.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA
Hi John,
That's why, if you must run an engine under such circumstances,one power 
stroke, then no firing until engine slows, but with fuel passing through unburned 
until the engine slows and another power stroke occurs, it is wise if your 
engine is a Maytag.  That way, the unburned fuel is converted to smoke which, in 
turn, is a public health benefit because it keeps mosquitoes away.  Thanks for 
mentioning it.
Ron.Carroll
Clearmont, Missouri (where the mosquitoes are safely tucked away for the 
winter)


From rskinner at rustyiron.com  Fri Dec 30 22:52:35 2005
From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 22:52:35 -0800
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <211c13e779659be61aba52d736223a52@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <018501c60dd6$c9659d00$0201a8c0@robscomputer>


> Not at all. We're talking about an idling engine, which by
definition 
> is 0% efficient overall.


Hold your horses there, Hombre!  I thought you said that
gasoline engines were MORE efficient than kero engines.  But
NOW you're saying is that both the gaso and kero engines are
EQUALLY efficient.  

So now the question becomes which engine uses the least fuel
to achieve zero efficiency, a competition that MaytagTwin
will win hands down with his motor that uses zero fuel and
outputs zero power.  

Rob












From jerrye at databak.co.za  Fri Dec 30 22:47:18 2005
From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:47:18 +0200
Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb/hot tube (3rd try)
Message-ID: <200512310907640.SM00932@new.databak.co.za>

2nd try ---<Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
3rd try <Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
SMTP connection failed

Hi All,
         I hope you all had a good Christmas.
         Some months back there was a discussing regarding the how the 
length of a hot tube affects the  timing of an engine. I think it was for a 
Fairbanks and that the shorter the tube the more advanced the timing is and 
the longer the tube the more retarded the timing is. It had to do with the 
amount of "gas" that had to be compressed.
         Unfortunately in changing eMail programmes I lost this discussion.
         Can anyone explain it to me again or point me to a webpage that 
describes the principle (in laymans language).
         Also - Does the description "Hot bulb" or "Hot tube" mean the same 
thing or are they different animals.
         Thanks in advance.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
www.oldengine.org/members/evans  

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From MaytagTwin at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 23:09:54 2005
From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:09:54 EST
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
Message-ID: <104.6f83050f.30e788c2@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/31/2005 1:05:17 AM Central Standard Time, 
rskinner at rustyiron.com writes:
So now the question becomes which engine uses the least fuel
to achieve zero efficiency, a competition that MaytagTwin
will win hands down with his motor that uses zero fuel and
outputs zero power.  

Rob
True enough, but the beloved Maytag Engine has an annoyance factor in the 
high 90% range.

Ron


From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 05:14:46 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 00:14:46 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <20051231131436.DIDP24868.omta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Using the thunder of the fireworks as cover I fired up the big Stover for
the New Year. It would have to be one of the first old engines to run in
2006!
Here is to 2006 being a much better year than 2005.
Happy New Year from Sydney.

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/



From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 05:30:27 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 08:30:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Maybe we have stumbled onto something here John. I have been using 70 wt. 
oil in the oiler since I had The "M" as a result it has so much compression 
that I can hang out on the flywheel rims all day and it won't go over 
compression. At the same time the thing bounces back and forth against 
compression when shut down as if it were on ball bearings. It does run with 
a sharp exaust sound and doesn't foul its silvery plated Champion plug ever. 
Not even close. Maybe some of these "eight strokers" need some ring 
attention or just the heavy cylinder oil that they recomended, especially 
since running kerosene as they were intended has suddnly come in to vogue.
Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Culp" <johnculp at chartertn.net>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


>> All right John, your fishing. My "M" fires every time wheather it is 
>> running on the gas start up tank or kerosene. It sounds the same too. 
>> Just don't stink as pretty on gas.
>
> Lots of low compression throttle governed engines do 8-stroke that way 
> when running unloaded, though, and for that reason. Yours may have some 
> extra drag that keeps it from throttling way down.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl  Sat Dec 31 06:14:18 2005
From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:14:18 +0100
Subject: [SEL] 2006
Message-ID: <002d01c60e14$80b777c0$9b316854@Sixmjohn>

Thanks for all the mails and cards of sympathy you send us
after John's death.

I wish you all a happy and healthy New Year.

Ria Hammink



From johnculp at chartertn.net  Sat Dec 31 09:14:15 2005
From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:14:15 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
In-Reply-To: <002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
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	<002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
Message-ID: <8a837c0255b941a8f9b9fba0a699eac7@chartertn.net>

> Maybe some of these "eight strokers" need some ring attention or just 
> the heavy cylinder oil that they recomended, especially since running 
> kerosene as they were intended has suddnly come in to vogue.

That's a good idea. Especially since the kero dilutes the oil so much. 
Whenever I run my M on kero, unburned kerosene drips out of the 
breather, and it puddles in the bottom of the crankcase.

When the engine's 8-stroking, any slight extra resistance makes it 
smooth right out.

These engines weren't built for prolonged idling, they were intended to 
work nearly continuously at their rated horsepower.

John Culp
Bristol, Tennessee, USA


From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 10:29:01 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 13:29:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Flywheel dangers
References: <20051230023711.14649.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
	<00a301c60cf6$72e5aaa0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1135918658.43b4be4255a7b@webmail.city-net.com>
	<e9437ce0d4a121be4125f68db5bb2971@chartertn.net>
	<01a501c60db8$5d174ef0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<1a8068a77065464f9b10395297589058@chartertn.net>
	<002601c60e0e$5e81be50$24f5a518@SkipBetty>
	<8a837c0255b941a8f9b9fba0a699eac7@chartertn.net>
Message-ID: <001901c60e38$12c510a0$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

That's about what I expected to hear.
With the spring hooked to the throttle lever, my "M" slows down to what 
sounds likd about 180 rpms. It does continue to fire every time and will 
pull a load as well. I will check the speed tomorrow if I can get to 
starting it.

Skip
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Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Flywheel dangers


>> Maybe some of these "eight strokers" need some ring attention or just the 
>> heavy cylinder oil that they recomended, especially since running 
>> kerosene as they were intended has suddnly come in to vogue.
>
> That's a good idea. Especially since the kero dilutes the oil so much. 
> Whenever I run my M on kero, unburned kerosene drips out of the breather, 
> and it puddles in the bottom of the crankcase.
>
> When the engine's 8-stroking, any slight extra resistance makes it smooth 
> right out.
>
> These engines weren't built for prolonged idling, they were intended to 
> work nearly continuously at their rated horsepower.
>
> John Culp
> Bristol, Tennessee, USA
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From blcksmth at wcnet.org  Sat Dec 31 11:32:30 2005
From: blcksmth at wcnet.org (Bob Willman)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:32:30 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb/hot tube (3rd try)
In-Reply-To: <200512310907640.SM00932@new.databak.co.za>
Message-ID: <E1EsmT2-0006Sq-00@woodysr.wcnet.org>

	I believe that a shorter tube retards ignition and a longer
tube advances ignition. This because it is more difficult to push
air/fuel mixture into a shorter tube than a longer one into the
red hot region of the heated tube. 


Bob Willman
Bowling Green, Ohio
The Eagle's Anvil
WB8NQW

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Evans
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:47 AM
To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
Subject: [SEL] Hot bulb/hot tube (3rd try)

2nd try ---<Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
3rd try <Delivery failed 15 attempts: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com> SMTP
connection failed

Hi All,
         I hope you all had a good Christmas.
         Some months back there was a discussing regarding the how the
length of a hot tube affects the  timing of an engine. I think it was for a
Fairbanks and that the shorter the tube the more advanced the timing is and
the longer the tube the more retarded the timing is. It had to do with the
amount of "gas" that had to be compressed.
         Unfortunately in changing eMail programmes I lost this discussion.
         Can anyone explain it to me again or point me to a webpage that
describes the principle (in laymans language).
         Also - Does the description "Hot bulb" or "Hot tube" mean the same
thing or are they different animals.
         Thanks in advance.


Keep the revs up (or down)
AND REMEMBER ------ <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>
Jerry Evans
Near Johannesburg in Sunny South Africa.
Tel. (016) 365-5787 or 083 283 7191
Visit our website for old engines in South Africa.
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From bst41474 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 13:19:20 2005
From: bst41474 at bigpond.net.au (Barry & Tanya Stait)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:19:20 +1100
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.
Message-ID: <001001c60e4f$ddce2e00$0100000a@Bear>

Happy new year to all list members, and I hope  that in the new year that 
all your dreams and wishes come true.
I was looking forward to spending new year eve with my wife and friends but 
spent it fighting a bush fire.
Chat to you all again soon.
Barry & Tanya Stait.
Mudgee. N.S.W. Australia.
bst41474 at bigpond.net.au 



From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 14:49:15 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 14:49:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.
In-Reply-To: <001001c60e4f$ddce2e00$0100000a@Bear>
Message-ID: <20051231224915.82191.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry to learn of this unfortunate fire.  Hoping that you escaped without harm.
  Happy New Year.  Be safe.
  Jim Moran
  Rochester, New York (USA)

Barry & Tanya Stait <bst41474 at bigpond.net.au> wrote:  Happy new year to all list members, and I hope  that in the new year that 
all your dreams and wishes come true.
I was looking forward to spending new year eve with my wife and friends but 
spent it fighting a bush fire.
Chat to you all again soon.
Barry & Tanya Stait.
Mudgee. N.S.W. Australia.
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From FRM8198 at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 15:46:26 2005
From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:46:26 EST
Subject: [SEL] Year End Surprise!
Message-ID: <223.5922766.30e87252@aol.com>

Hi List,
Happy New Years.  
Well, I ended the year with the acquisition of two non running  engines - a 
Sattley with a Wico magneto and a Fairbanks Morse Dishpan with a  magneto.
I need timing and magneto information on the  Dishpan.   Since the name tag 
is missing, what is the correct  model number for the Dishpan?  The serial 
number stamped on the top of the  hopper is "48652".  I believe the magneto is a 
Model R.  I need timing  and magneto information on the Dishpan.   
The Sattley is rated at 1? HP.  It was sold by Montgomery  Ward.  The serial 
number is "15257".  The exhaust rocker arm has been  modified.  

Francis  Maciel
Santa Maria, CA



From fero_ah at city-net.com  Sat Dec 31 16:14:10 2005
From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:14:10 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
Message-ID: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch of
"Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).

There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & Stratton to a
vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)

In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.  

I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer of
stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, and
something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let me
take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an otherwise
genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))

Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it will
take to get all the stuff listed.

Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

eBay: hit_n_miss



From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 16:35:30 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:35:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
Message-ID: <20060101003530.49684.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At one minute past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
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  http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846

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From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 16:57:50 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 16:57:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
In-Reply-To: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <20060101005750.22085.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com>

A-
 As in your case I am finding myself to be  in need of "living room", too (not that I am ready to march in and  partition neighboring countries....I am sure you get my drift and  reference). 8-)
  
 I have allowed a friend to house his Nissan  truck in my barn for the winters and there is a pesky snowmobile that  belongs to my wife's nephew (I hate those things/both snowmobiles and  the nephew, too).  That stuff has to go and I will be forced to  revoke storage privileges to my friend. I want to bring back my "A"  which has been residing up the road for reasons I no longer remember  and I intend to buy a nice 1960's Lo-Boy in the spring.  Combined  with all of the other machinery and gadgets, some freed up square  footage will be a welcome and necessary thing.
  
 I also have to  store a whole bunch of antique gasoline pumps and other paraphernalia  from that arena, at least until I can sell it off.
  
  Shrinking storage space is not unlike cotton....the more you eat, the smaller it gets.
  
  Happy New Year and all of that!
  
  Jim Moran

fero_ah at city-net.com wrote:  Hi Folks,

I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch of
"Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).

There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & Stratton to a
vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)

In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.  

I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer of
stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, and
something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let me
take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an otherwise
genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))

Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it will
take to get all the stuff listed.

Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

See ya,  Arnie

Arnie Fero
Pittsburgh, PA
fero_ah at city-net.com

eBay: hit_n_miss

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From nick at holden1.net  Sat Dec 31 17:01:23 2005
From: nick at holden1.net (nick)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 01:01:23 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [SEL] New year
Message-ID: <43B729E3.000003.03728@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG>

Hi to all the list 
Happy New Year
my new toy at but i had to buy it myself
John Deere


Nick Holden
Banbury
Oxfordshire (UK)
 nick at holden1.net
http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden
skype: nickholden1
 
 

From jrmoraninc at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 17:22:00 2005
From: jrmoraninc at yahoo.com (James Moran)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:22:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <20060101003530.49684.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060101012200.34369.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

RF-
  It is December 32nd.
  JM

"Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" <ron217_2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:  At one minute past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
  Thanks
  Ron



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Kersey, PA
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From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 17:51:36 2005
From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 17:51:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it replys
Message-ID: <20060101015136.53283.qmail@web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well I have gotten several answers so far and I've come to this conclusion.
  You guys don't know what time it is either. The answers are about 50-50 
  12:01 or 00:01
  Ron



Ron Frost
Kersey, PA
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From isandian at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 18:25:33 2005
From: isandian at bigpond.net.au (Ian Browning)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 13:25:33 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <001401c60e7a$a4b59380$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Patrick,

Was that in Leichhardt? I guess it would have to be to have been drowned out by fireworks! Bet you wouldn't get away with it any other time!

Ian Browning


From transteck at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 31 18:24:04 2005
From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:24:04 -0700
Subject: [SEL] New Years Fire Up
Message-ID: <43B73D44.5010504@earthlink.net>

Hi all,

The anticipation is building for us as this will be our first. I have 
invited a few folks, but I do think they may miss it. Far too much 
consumed by them early on. I am pacing myself and I can assure you all I 
feel no pain as I write.

We did get to do a test run today. A friend of the daughter was here and 
we got to talking. The special sparkle in his eye. :-) Told the short 
one to show him the Maytag. "Can I start it?" says the short one. Hell 
it was lit before I got out there. (note: there are those that don't 
believe they run, yet they complain)

Daughter came out in the garage and complained it stinks and must be a 
guy thing. We all grinned and took in the sooo special smell of burned 
fuel.

I took the lad inside and showed him engine photos and explained what 
they where used for starting with Fred's smoking wash motors. Perhaps we 
have another in our community. Life is good, and we are looking forward 
to our first start up. Pictures will be posted.

Close to opening the Spumanti cause wife lets the year come in on it's 
own. She does support the insanity but does not understand it. Sure glad 
the short one can lite it now. Come a few hours from now I'll be doing 
good to walk on my own. Life is good!! and

Happy New Years Fire Up to all.

Jeff

-- 
Jeff Allen
Arvada, Colorado, USA
transteck at earthlink.net
http://frapa.us/
http://oldengine.org/members/allen/




From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 18:28:14 2005
From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:28:14 -0500
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay
References: <1136074450.43b71ed2d0cdc@webmail.city-net.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c60e7b$0524ec70$24f5a518@SkipBetty>

Is that your $349 Maytag?

Skip
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fero_ah at city-net.com>
To: "Stationary Engine List" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>; "Old_Engine" 
<stationary-engine at oldengine.org>; "Slick Willy" <slick at toltbbs.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: [SEL] Strange and Wonderful Stuff on eBay


> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm doing some housecleaning in the Olde Engine Shed and putting a bunch 
> of
> "Strange and Wonderful Stuff" on eBay (most of it engine related).
>
> There will also be some engines listed ranging from early Briggs & 
> Stratton to a
> vertical two-stroke Bessemer (you KNOW how rare those are!)
>
> In eBay just do a search on hit_n_miss as the seller.
>
> I'm doing this shameless self-promotion as most of you know me as a buyer 
> of
> stuff who never gets rid of anything.  Well, space is now at a premium, 
> and
> something has to go.  I did (briefly) consider asking friend spouse to let 
> me
> take over her side of the garage.  It's amazing the crude language an 
> otherwise
> genteel woman can use when provoked.  8-))
>
> Please keep checking hit_n_miss as a seller as I don't know how long it 
> will
> take to get all the stuff listed.
>
> Thanks for looking and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
>
> See ya,  Arnie
>
> Arnie Fero
> Pittsburgh, PA
> fero_ah at city-net.com
>
> eBay: hit_n_miss
>
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From DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net  Sat Dec 31 19:31:47 2005
From: DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net (DOUBLE-D-66 at prodigy.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:31:47 -0500
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.
Message-ID: <AA-96B5FB437F5F475192E7114776C53E66-ZZ@www7.prodigy.net>

Happy New Year to all list members . From the Davis 
family in Buena Vista PA.  
--- Original Message ---
From: "Barry & Tanya Stait" <bst41474 at bigpond.net.au>
To: "stationary-engine at atis.net" 
<SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com>, <at at lists.antique-
tractor.com>
Subject: [SEL] HAPPY 2006.

>Happy new year to all list members, and I hope  that 
in the new year that 
>all your dreams and wishes come true.
>I was looking forward to spending new year eve with 
my wife and friends but 
>spent it fighting a bush fire.
>Chat to you all again soon.
>Barry & Tanya Stait.
>Mudgee. N.S.W. Australia.
>bst41474 at bigpond.net.au 
>
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From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 31 19:33:35 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:33:35 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
Message-ID: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com>

I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY




From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com  Sat Dec 31 20:20:27 2005
From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:20:27 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
References: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c60e8a$b219f880$0b151941@pengy>

I started the bidding at $20.00.  

Rick

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From: "Judge Tommy Turner" <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)


> I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
> 
> Tommy Turner
> Magnolia, KY
> 
> 
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From pml1 at bigpond.net.au  Sat Dec 31 20:24:32 2005
From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 15:24:32 +1100
Subject: [SEL] Re: Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <001401c60e7a$a4b59380$0100000a@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <20060101042419.ODBF10380.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML>

Hi Ian,
	The big Stover is sitting just outside the computer room window
where I can see it as I type ;)
The boom of the fireworks actually had the floors shaking this year. Must
have been some big shells. No chance of the Stover being noticed with all
the fireworks noise :)

Patrick M Livingstone
Leichhardt NSW
http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/
-----Original Message-----


Patrick,

Was that in Leichhardt? I guess it would have to be to have been drowned out
by fireworks! Bet you wouldn't get away with it any other time!

Ian Browning




From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Sat Dec 31 20:23:01 2005
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 23:23:01 -0500
Subject: [SEL] OT What time is it ?
In-Reply-To: <20060101003530.49684.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20051231231439.00b14578@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 04:35 PM 12/31/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>At one minute past midnight, is it (12:01) or is it ( 00:01) ?
>   Thanks
>   Ron
>
>
>
>Ron Frost
>Kersey, PA


Ron: Depends on how you keep track of time. If you do the AM/PM version  it 
would be 12:01 AM. If you do the military version it would be 00:01.

Typed at 23:22   31 Dec 05.

_ Steve



Steve Sewell
Albany, Ohio USA
sewell at atis.net
sewell at ohio.edu



From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu  Sat Dec 31 21:04:07 2005
From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:04:07 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
In-Reply-To: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20060101000130.00b57730@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>

At 10:33 PM 12/31/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
>
>Tommy Turner
>Magnolia, KY
>


CC'ed to the tractor list as this is for the ATIS charity


Looks to me like a tractor guy is in the lead!!  (-;

- Steve



From lcjudge at scrtc.com  Sat Dec 31 21:07:33 2005
From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 00:07:33 -0500
Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
In-Reply-To: <00c701c60e8a$b219f880$0b151941@pengy>
References: <43B74D8F.3010206@scrtc.com> <00c701c60e8a$b219f880$0b151941@pengy>
Message-ID: <43B76395.8020108@scrtc.com>

Rick,
    Thanks!  While I couldn't mention it in the ad, all proceeds from 
the auction will go to the ATIS Charity Auction.  When I get it back 
from the framer, I'll post a photo to show what it looks like.  I 
probably won't have it back though before the auction ends.  It will be 
very nice, double matted and a good frame. 

Tommy Turner
Magnolia, KY


> I started the bidding at $20.00. 
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" 
> <lcjudge at scrtc.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 10:33 PM
> Subject: [SEL] The Mad Man is back (on ebay)
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>> I've got it back up folks.  Here is the link:
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>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7378976883
>>
>> Tommy Turner
>> Magnolia, KY
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From brock at netspeed.com.au  Sat Dec 31 22:47:54 2005
From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:47:54 +1100
Subject: [SEL] happy new year
Message-ID: <001e01c60e9f$4b95df60$5f11fea9@merlin>

I wish every one a happy new year may your sheds be full of old iron in the new year
Brock Summerfield
ACT Australia  
brock at netspeed.com.au
http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198