From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 1 02:50:02 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:50:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080120050950.28261.42EDF049000E3AF700006E6521979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Bill, Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful. thanks again, Curt Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber behind the craft building. > Curt: > > While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly relevant > to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, too. > > My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making kit > for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a > few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is > reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when building > fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap on > that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that > matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the torque > right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the > fence strand. > > David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. Point > being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're > wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the > desired diameter. > > Curt, I met you at the Baraboo, Wisconsin show a few years back, didn't I? > That was the year Reg Ingold was in town. I don't get out much, haven't met > many of the list members and have forgotten the names and faces of many I > have met. I just learned that a neighbor is going to Baraboo this season, > he has a couple of Oliver crawlers he wants to take over. Maybe I'll make > the show this year. It's only about 3 hours from my place. > > Take care, you're welcome to my ignorance on the subject, I have plenty to > share. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. Have you > made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more > details. > Curt > > > > Here ya go, Curt. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html > > > > B? > > > > Bill Brueck (brick) > > Chatfield, MN, USA > > > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM > > To: SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring > > > > Hi All, > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > > springs. > > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. Not > a > > common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked with one of > > the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 1 02:52:58 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:52:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080120050952.29099.42EDF0FA0001CCE3000071AB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Dave and all list, Forgot to mention I don't own a lathe so looking for a method using some sort of hand tools. thankyou, Curt > Curt > > One way is to have a screw thread bar held in the chuck with a cross hole to > take the end of the > spring wire. Set the carriage feed to the same pitch as the thread. In the > tool holder have a > piece of steel bar with a hole drilled through it the same size as the spring > wire so that the > wire is fed through in a controlled manner onto the screw thread bar. Put a > grub screw down > through the wire feeder to press against the spring wire and adjust the pressure > to keep it tight. > If you are being posh, the grub screw could have a brass slug so that it is > brass rubbing against > the steel instead of the hard steel. > > Wear stout gloves - that wire will cut through your hand with consummate ease. > > Hope this helps > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying > > to coil it? Would like step by step details. I do know about sources for > > spring wire stock as well. > > Curt > > > > > > > Hi Curt. > > > There are a couple of ways that I know of. First is get the spring wire > > > from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or > > > three feet long. bend it to the shape you want. The problem is it > > > springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the > > > end. > > > The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and > > > doesn't spring back. When you get the size and shape you want, heat it > > > to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you > > > have a spring. The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years > > > ago (time flies when you are having fun). Good luck. > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes: > > > > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > > > > springs. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 1 03:13:26 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <080120050952.29099.42EDF0FA0001CCE3000071AB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050801101326.43354.qmail@web25504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Curt Try putting the threaded bar(if the spring is short, a screw will do) in a hand drill and support the other end in some sort of bearing in the bench vice. Have an assistant hold the wire (wearing gloves) tight as you wind, or if no assistant, rig up the steel bar with hole as previously mentioned and secure that to your work bench. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Dave and all list, > Forgot to mention I don't own a lathe so looking for a method using some sort > of hand tools. > thankyou, > Curt > > > > Curt > > > > One way is to have a screw thread bar held in the chuck with a cross hole to > > take the end of the > > spring wire. Set the carriage feed to the same pitch as the thread. In the > > tool holder have a > > piece of steel bar with a hole drilled through it the same size as the spring > > wire so that the > > wire is fed through in a controlled manner onto the screw thread bar. Put a > > grub screw down > > through the wire feeder to press against the spring wire and adjust the pressure > > to keep it tight. > > If you are being posh, the grub screw could have a brass slug so that it is > > brass rubbing against > > the steel instead of the hard steel. > > > > Wear stout gloves - that wire will cut through your hand with consummate ease. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Dave > > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > > > > > > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying > > > to coil it? Would like step by step details. I do know about sources for > > > spring wire stock as well. > > > Curt > > > > > > > > > > Hi Curt. > > > > There are a couple of ways that I know of. First is get the spring wire > > > > from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or > > > > three feet long. bend it to the shape you want. The problem is it > > > > springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the > > > > end. > > > > The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and > > > > doesn't spring back. When you get the size and shape you want, heat it > > > > to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you > > > > have a spring. The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years > > > > ago (time flies when you are having fun). Good luck. > > > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes: > > > > > > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > > > > > springs. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 1 03:12:18 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:12:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring References: <080120050950.28261.42EDF049000E3AF700006E6521979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <0ba801c59685$85b9cbd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Can anyone put up a pic of this tool please? If I can see it, I can make it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > Hi Bill, > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > like > one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of pliers > and > was not successful. > thanks again, > Curt > > Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber > behind > the craft building. > > >> Curt: >> >> While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly >> relevant >> to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, >> too. >> >> My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making >> kit >> for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a >> few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is >> reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when >> building >> fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap >> on >> that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that >> matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the torque >> right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the >> fence strand. >> >> David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. Point >> being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're >> wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the >> desired diameter. >> >> Curt, I met you at the Baraboo, Wisconsin show a few years back, didn't >> I? >> That was the year Reg Ingold was in town. I don't get out much, haven't >> met >> many of the list members and have forgotten the names and faces of many I >> have met. I just learned that a neighbor is going to Baraboo this >> season, >> he has a couple of Oliver crawlers he wants to take over. Maybe I'll >> make >> the show this year. It's only about 3 hours from my place. >> >> Take care, you're welcome to my ignorance on the subject, I have plenty >> to >> share. >> >> B? >> >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> cgandree at mchsi.com >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. Have >> you >> made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more >> details. >> Curt >> >> >> > Here ya go, Curt. >> > >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html >> > >> > B? >> > >> > Bill Brueck (brick) >> > Chatfield, MN, USA >> > >> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> > cgandree at mchsi.com >> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM >> > To: SEL Lists >> > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring >> > >> > Hi All, >> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own >> > springs. >> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. >> > Not >> a >> > common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked with one >> > of >> > the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. >> > thankyou in advance, >> > Curt Andree >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 1 04:50:07 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:50:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <0ba801c59685$85b9cbd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20050801115007.35998.qmail@web25507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Depending on size of lathe to be used, a piece of BMS about 1/2" square and say 6" long. Drill hole for wire about 3/4" from one end. Use slitting saw to cut on same axis as hole from the end of bar into hole. Slit should be narrower than hole so that wire remains in hole and cannot slide into slit. Before slitting, drill crosswise for a clamping screw in the slit so that tension on the wire feed can be adjusted by tightening the clamp screw as required to keep the feed tight. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- R & M Ingold wrote: > Can anyone put up a pic of this tool please? > If I can see it, I can make it. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:50 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > > like > > one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of pliers > > and > > was not successful. > > thanks again, > > Curt > > > > Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber > > behind > > the craft building. > > > > > >> Curt: > >> > >> While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly > >> relevant > >> to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, > >> too. > >> > >> My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making > >> kit > >> for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a > >> few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is > >> reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when > >> building > >> fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap > >> on > >> that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that > >> matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the torque > >> right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the > >> fence strand. > >> > >> David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. Point > >> being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're > >> wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the > >> desired diameter. > >> cgandree at mchsi.com > >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > >> > >> Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. Have > >> you > >> made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more > >> details. > >> Curt > >> > >> > >> > Here ya go, Curt. > >> > > >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html > >> > > >> > B? > >> > > >> > Bill Brueck (brick) > >> > Chatfield, MN, USA > >> > > >> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > >> > cgandree at mchsi.com > >> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM > >> > To: SEL Lists > >> > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > >> > springs. > >> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. > >> > Not a common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked with one > >> > of the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. > >> > thankyou in advance, > >> > Curt Andree ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 1 05:10:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:10:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring References: <20050801115007.35998.qmail@web25507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c1701c59692$e72d6270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks Dave. Got the idea now. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a spring > Depending on size of lathe to be used, a piece of BMS about 1/2" square > and say 6" long. Drill > hole for wire about 3/4" from one end. Use slitting saw to cut on same > axis as hole from the end > of bar into hole. Slit should be narrower than hole so that wire remains > in hole and cannot slide > into slit. Before slitting, drill crosswise for a clamping screw in the > slit so that tension on > the wire feed can be adjusted by tightening the clamp screw as required to > keep the feed tight. > > Regards > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > --- R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Can anyone put up a pic of this tool please? >> If I can see it, I can make it. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:50 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> >> > >> > Hi Bill, >> > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig >> > like >> > one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of >> > pliers >> > and >> > was not successful. >> > thanks again, >> > Curt >> > >> > Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber >> > behind >> > the craft building. >> > >> > >> >> Curt: >> >> >> >> While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly >> >> relevant >> >> to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, >> >> too. >> >> >> >> My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making >> >> kit >> >> for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it >> >> successfully a >> >> few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is >> >> reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when >> >> building >> >> fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight >> >> wrap >> >> on >> >> that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that >> >> matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the >> >> torque >> >> right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to >> >> the >> >> fence strand. >> >> >> >> David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. >> >> Point >> >> being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that >> >> you're >> >> wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to >> >> the >> >> desired diameter. > > >> >> cgandree at mchsi.com >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> >> >> Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. >> >> Have >> >> you >> >> made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more >> >> details. >> >> Curt >> >> >> >> >> >> > Here ya go, Curt. >> >> > >> >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html >> >> > >> >> > B? >> >> > >> >> > Bill Brueck (brick) >> >> > Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> > >> >> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> >> > cgandree at mchsi.com >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM >> >> > To: SEL Lists >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> > >> >> > Hi All, >> >> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own >> >> > springs. >> >> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. >> >> > Not a common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked >> >> > with one >> >> > of the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. >> >> > thankyou in advance, >> >> > Curt Andree > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 1 05:43:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:43:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring References: <20050801115007.35998.qmail@web25507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0c1701c59692$e72d6270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: This might help also; Go to www.mcmaster.com and dial in spring looping tool or go to page 3513. Click on the picture and it will enlarge. RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 1 06:15:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:15:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment Message-ID: Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop lineshaft driven machine shop?? We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks gang in anticipation RickinMt. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 1 07:13:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:13:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <080120050950.28261.42EDF049000E3AF700006E6521979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200508011413.j71EDpM3070303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of > holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting > doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful. Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this item offered from MSC: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll have the material on hand. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 1 07:26:37 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:26:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080120051426.29339.42EE311D000BA5850000729B21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rick, will check out what they have. Curt > This might help also; > > Go to www.mcmaster.com and dial in spring looping tool or go to page 3513. > Click on the picture and it will enlarge. > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Mon Aug 1 07:28:03 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:28:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508010928391.SM02420@wrbpc> The one I have is much simpler, you clamp the form (usually a bolt) in a vise and move the tool around it. I should have time this evening to take some shots, including with the tool "in action" so you can see what it is and how to use it. Maybe someone can find it in a tool catalog, something more pedestrian than McMaster. The tool I have probably came from an outfit like Harbor Freight, although I just checked their website and didn't find anything. Now I just hope I can find it, LOL. Yeah, I can picture just which drawer it's in, unless those grandkids... I agree, Curt, pliers just don't do it. The bend radius is too long an arc, you need to keep the pressure right up next to the form. Again, a lesson learned in fence making days. Wish I could take a shot of the fence tool but I don?t think I have one. It's even simpler since it's for a single purpose (approximate radius and size of wire). Maybe I can sketch that for you. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:43 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a spring This might help also; Go to www.mcmaster.com and dial in spring looping tool or go to page 3513. Click on the picture and it will enlarge. RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 1 07:43:09 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Rick, How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. How about an old planer or horizontal mill? Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, >engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 >morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a >bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop >lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm >wrong. > > Thanks gang in anticipation >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Aug 1 08:56:04 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:56:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <200508011413.j71EDpM3070303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200508011056200.SM02420@wrbpc> This is close to what I have, likely better than what I have. I will try to send directions tonight to build-your-own for a specific sized form, built on the concept of the fencing tool I used to use. But I expect something like Rob references would do an easier job of maintaining a consistent pitch. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:14 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair > of pliers and was not successful. Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this item offered from MSC: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll have the material on hand. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ihcboggs at jayco.net Mon Aug 1 11:56:54 2005 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne Boggs) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:56:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Message-ID: <001a01c596ca$cc6839f0$705428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hey all. Hope some of you might remember us. We have the international understrike "M" engines. We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. This engine has a spark plug. (think part of the mag has been tapped for the plug) Has part of a Webster Mag. Don't know much about the Economy but would appreiate any info. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 1 13:00:33 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:00:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted Message-ID: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. Curt http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 1 13:27:15 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> References: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Looking good Curt! I assume that we'll see it running at Portland? Only 22 days, 7 hours, 36 minutes and 49 seconds for the paint to dry. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html See ya, Arnie On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 1 13:42:39 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points Message-ID: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> While I'm not trying to promote a specific product or person selling items, I thought I would share some info with fellow list members about ignitor point material. I ran an ad on Harry's about a month or so ago seeking high quality ignitor point material. I had a decent stash of the high grade stuff over the years (which I got at the old Hagan Factory purchase) but it has eventually dwindled due to building several ignitors and I've given quite a bit of it away to others who needed it. I got several suggestions and responses on where to find replacement points. Bill Lopoulos sent me an email that he had "Meteor Metal" which was the same basic metal makeup of the old original ignitor point material. I got some from him and silver soldered 3/16" think wafers on to the original contacts. I was having to remove the ignitor and clean points about every 45 minutes before. I've ran the engine probably 4 hours with the Meteor Metal points and it hasn't missed a lick. Great stuff! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Aug 1 14:03:46 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:03:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Message-ID: <54.495e46ce.301fe832@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2005 2:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ihcboggs at jayco.net writes: << We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. >> According to "History of Hercules Engines" your engine was made between 1921 and 1923 for the F models, but by the serial number it is 1919. Perhaps Glenn can shed some light on this difference, It is estimated that only 20,000 were made for the F model. Used a Webster mag and I think are nice running engines. I have a 7E that I tow to the shows right now. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 1 14:05:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:05:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points In-Reply-To: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> References: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Several years ago I (like you) got some "meteor metal" from Bill in order to replace the points in my 16 HP Galloway ignitor. Like you (as well) I found it to be all that Bill said it was! Dave PS, Like you (as well) I own 5% of the company that Bill runs! At 04:42 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >While I'm not trying to promote a specific product or person selling >items, I thought I would share some info with fellow list members about >ignitor point material. I ran an ad on Harry's about a month or so ago >seeking high quality ignitor point material. I had a decent stash of the >high grade stuff over the years (which I got at the old Hagan Factory >purchase) but it has eventually dwindled due to building several ignitors >and I've given quite a bit of it away to others who needed it. >I got several suggestions and responses on where to find replacement >points. Bill Lopoulos sent me an email that he had "Meteor Metal" which >was the same basic metal makeup of the old original ignitor point >material. I got some from him and silver soldered 3/16" think wafers on >to the original contacts. I was having to remove the ignitor and clean >points about every 45 minutes before. I've ran the engine probably 4 >hours with the Meteor Metal points and it hasn't missed a lick. Great stuff! > >Tommy Turner From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 1 16:26:42 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:26:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, Here are the lineshaft pictures I took this weekend. They are from the blacksmith shop in Bird City. I shrunked em down a bit. Anyone wants full size contact me and I'll build another page. Huge files. The machine next to the lathe appears to be a mill. The project in the vice looked like a bolt they were cutting the head on. Not running while I was there. Jeff Allen Richard Strobel wrote: > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, >engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 >morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a >bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop >lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm >wrong. > > Thanks gang in anticipation >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gibsongus at myway.com Mon Aug 1 16:27:26 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <20050801232726.230BF39B0@mprdmxin.myway.com> I go to LBJohnson Hardware they have all kinds Well I tricked the guy on earthlink I called on my cell phone and when he told me what to do it worked, I only had 285 mesiages???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 08/01, Rob Skinner < rskinner at rustyiron.com > wrote: From: Rob Skinner [mailto: rskinner at rustyiron.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:13:43 -0700Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring> Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of > holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting > doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful.Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at thisitem offered from MSC:http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintainingpitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has twodifferent spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'llhave the material on hand.Rob=-=-=-=-=-=Rob SkinnerLa Habra, Californiamailto:rskinner at rustyiron.comhttp://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 1 17:07:45 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:07:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> References: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42EEB951.600@earthlink.net> OOPS!! :-( http://oldirongallery.com/LS.html Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Rick, > > Here are the lineshaft pictures I took this weekend. They are from the > blacksmith shop in Bird City. I shrunked em down a bit. Anyone wants > full size contact me and I'll build another page. Huge files. The > machine next to the lathe appears to be a mill. The project in the > vice looked like a bolt they were cutting the head on. Not running > while I was there. > > Jeff Allen > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, >> engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, >> w/#4 morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice >> kiln. >> >> So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and >> possibly a bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in >> the ole mom and pop lineshaft driven machine shop?? >> >> We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if >> I'm wrong. >> >> Thanks gang in anticipation >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 1 17:18:15 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:18:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted Message-ID: <20050801.202012.928.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Excellent job !!! It will be a Gem for sure. Hope to see it running soon. (Portland) ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 17:34:13 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20050802003413.33686.qmail@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very cruel, Curt. Right after I share with the list that there is only a very slim chance I will make it to Portland this year you go and share pictures like that,,,,, I don't think you understand how GREAT that engine running next to my Reggie-Moto Monitor/Pump would look!! It is painted that beautiful deep red color. Alan Bowen --- Curt wrote: > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > Curt > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Mon Aug 1 17:54:31 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:54:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: Message-ID: <00a401c596fc$bf0f40a0$14b9869d@ibm22761389857> I am in the process of putting together a line shaft driven smithy. I have read somewhere that shaft speed depends on several things. A wood shop shaft would run faster than one in a metal shop because most wood equipment runs faster than most metal equipment. I don't have the numbers handy but I think I am shooting for about 250 main shaft speed. You can get any reasonable speed with different pulleys from there. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Cc: "Corky Harris" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 09:15 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, > engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 > morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a > bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop > lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm > wrong. > > Thanks gang in anticipation > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 18:04:09 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F In-Reply-To: <54.495e46ce.301fe832@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050802010409.73342.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi DeWayne, I was wondering about that serial number. Are you VERY sure that is an F? I have seen several Hercules engine that the owners truly believed they were F models, but actually they were a bad stamp and really were E models. I have a 1918 1 1/2HP Hercules E that is stamped poorly and looks like an F. The serial number, mag and the slant of the main bearing caps say it IS an E. Are there still springs or posts to mount springs on the Webster? Were the springs on the engine side or on the outside of the mag? My wife's Step-father has a 1921 1 1/2HP Hercules F that really IS an F. It has the later Webster with the springs on the engine side. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/2005 2:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ihcboggs at jayco.net writes: > > << We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. > >> > > > According to "History of Hercules Engines" your engine was made between 1921 > and 1923 for the F models, but by the serial number it is 1919. Perhaps Glenn > can shed some light on this difference, It is estimated that only 20,000 were > made for the F model. Used a Webster mag and I think are nice running > engines. I have a 7E that I tow to the shows right now. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 18:43:10 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:43:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, thanks for the great step by step restoration , it has been a pleasure to watch the progress Devin and yourself have made .Cant wait to see it finished .Dave in oz >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL >Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted >Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:00:33 -0400 > >Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack parts. >Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. >Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. >Curt >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your opinion counts..for your chance to win a Mini Cooper click here http://www.qualifiedopinions.com/joinup.php?source=hotmail From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 1 18:55:22 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> References: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42EED28A.4020107@scrtc.com> Dave, When I saw how good the Meteor Metal worked, I bought 10%! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > PS, Like you (as well) I own 5% of the company that Bill runs! > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Aug 1 18:58:34 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:58:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F References: <001a01c596ca$cc6839f0$705428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <000701c59705$b2c65460$f9ea123f@oemcomputer> DeWayne, An F model would have had the Webster 2C magneto system. That is a different Webster than you usually see. It was not too successful and often times is replaced with some other ignition system. The Webster 2C magneto system is hard to fine. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne Boggs" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Hey all. Hope some of you might remember us. We have the international understrike "M" engines. We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. This engine has a spark plug. (think part of the mag has been tapped for the plug) Has part of a Webster Mag. Don't know much about the Economy but would appreiate any info. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Aug 1 19:03:14 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:03:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F References: <001a01c596ca$cc6839f0$705428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <002d01c59706$599bae20$f9ea123f@oemcomputer> DeWayne, I think the others are right. I bet is is a poorly stamped E because that is an E model serial number. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne Boggs" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Hey all. Hope some of you might remember us. We have the international understrike "M" engines. We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. This engine has a spark plug. (think part of the mag has been tapped for the plug) Has part of a Webster Mag. Don't know much about the Economy but would appreiate any info. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 1 19:23:19 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:23:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points In-Reply-To: <42EED28A.4020107@scrtc.com> References: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> <42EED28A.4020107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050801222234.04047338@mail.alltel.net> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave At 09:55 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > > When I saw how good the Meteor Metal worked, I bought 10%! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY >> >>PS, Like you (as well) I own 5% of the company that Bill runs! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Aug 1 21:00:12 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:00:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Running Message-ID: <20050802035948.ZNMO5303.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here are a couple of short videos of a mate's 8hp Blackstone running. It had not been started in about 8 months and went first pull :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/05073101.AVI (about 2.3mb) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/05073102.AVI (about 1.5mb) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From b2 at chooka.net Mon Aug 1 21:59:25 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:59:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <200508011056200.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <200508012359814.SM02420@wrbpc> Will have to await another evening for the pics, got tied up with a family member in hospital with heart / blood clot problems. Young woman in her late 20's, sure hope they don?t send her home without dealing with this. Seems to me like she's pretty vulnerable. I did find the tool where I thought it was, it comes from Brookstone. I think of that company as high on quality and higher on price. A check of their website now seems to indicate it's not the same company any more, they're more into the consumer stuff now and not much into tools. I will try to describe how to make a device modeled after the fence making tool I used to carry. Don't know if I have such a tool now, you buy the wires pre-formed now to attach the fence to the steel posts and you don't need this tool any longer. Anyway, it's REAL SIMPLE: Take a piece of 1/8 inch strap, 1 inch wide, 8 inches long. That's all the materials you'll need. Identify the size of form you want to use; let's say a 3/8 inch bolt or rod will give you the approximate inside diameter of the resulting spring. Heat the strap at one end, maybe the last inch or so, and bend it around the rod to form a U with the long end being the cold end of the strap, the short end just long enough to complete the U shape, a little extra won't hurt. Don't close the U past the ends being parallel, you need to be able to slip the strap on and off the bolt with comfortable clearance. Now mount it in the vise, sticking the long end into the vise and the U thus inverted, you're looking at the flat side...either flat side, doesn't matter. Take a hack saw and cut maybe 3/16 of an inch off either side of the strap. On the short leg of the U, cut on through the end of that leg of the U. On the other side cut far enough so that if you were to stick your spring wire perpendicularly into the kerf it would just touch the form if it were in the U. Then cut in to meet your vertical kerf from the side, cutting down at a slight angle so that you have a bit of a notch in the (big) part that's left after you cut through. That's all there is to it. Probably dress it down a bit with a wheel or file. You'll eventually want to cut and notch the other side as well so you can turn right and left hand springs, you'll figure that out in a bit. Now mount the bolt / form into the vise, horizontally if you have room, or vertically if you don't (having room will make sense shortly). Anchor the end of your spring wire. (I usually do this as part of tightening the bolt/form into the vise. Making a flat spot on the bolt where you clamp it would be helpful here.) Now slide the tool onto the form, notch toward the vise, and engage the wire in the notch. Start turning and you'll wind up your new spring. Getting the coil spacing even will take a little practice, for starters just wind it tight to the previous coil. Let me know how you make out. I confess to not having made one of these, I do kind of the same process with the Brookstone tool. It has the advantage of a spacing deal to help wind an evenly spaced spring. If I had time this evening I would have made one like I described and taken a picture. But the resulting tool should be a slightly larger version of what I used making fence a generation or 2 ago. That was a little smaller, the wire was mild and the radius was small and the tool was made to slip into your overalls pocket comfortably. Happy winding! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:56 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring This is close to what I have, likely better than what I have. I will try to send directions tonight to build-your-own for a specific sized form, built on the concept of the fencing tool I used to use. But I expect something like Rob references would do an easier job of maintaining a consistent pitch. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:14 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair > of pliers and was not successful. Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this item offered from MSC: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll have the material on hand. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 2 02:22:06 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:22:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080220050922.10859.42EF3B3E00063B9300002A6B21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Bill you take care of that family member first and hope that all goes well. Ive got general idea of what your describing but a couple of pictures are worth a 1000 words. thanks again, Curt > Will have to await another evening for the pics, got tied up with a family > member in hospital with heart / blood clot problems. Young woman in her > late 20's, sure hope they don?t send her home without dealing with this. > Seems to me like she's pretty vulnerable. > > I did find the tool where I thought it was, it comes from Brookstone. I > think of that company as high on quality and higher on price. A check of > their website now seems to indicate it's not the same company any more, > they're more into the consumer stuff now and not much into tools. > > I will try to describe how to make a device modeled after the fence making > tool I used to carry. Don't know if I have such a tool now, you buy the > wires pre-formed now to attach the fence to the steel posts and you don't > need this tool any longer. Anyway, it's REAL SIMPLE: > > Take a piece of 1/8 inch strap, 1 inch wide, 8 inches long. That's all the > materials you'll need. > > Identify the size of form you want to use; let's say a 3/8 inch bolt or rod > will give you the approximate inside diameter of the resulting spring. > > Heat the strap at one end, maybe the last inch or so, and bend it around the > rod to form a U with the long end being the cold end of the strap, the short > end just long enough to complete the U shape, a little extra won't hurt. > Don't close the U past the ends being parallel, you need to be able to slip > the strap on and off the bolt with comfortable clearance. > > Now mount it in the vise, sticking the long end into the vise and the U thus > inverted, you're looking at the flat side...either flat side, doesn't > matter. > > Take a hack saw and cut maybe 3/16 of an inch off either side of the strap. > On the short leg of the U, cut on through the end of that leg of the U. On > the other side cut far enough so that if you were to stick your spring wire > perpendicularly into the kerf it would just touch the form if it were in the > U. > > Then cut in to meet your vertical kerf from the side, cutting down at a > slight angle so that you have a bit of a notch in the (big) part that's left > after you cut through. > > That's all there is to it. Probably dress it down a bit with a wheel or > file. You'll eventually want to cut and notch the other side as well so you > can turn right and left hand springs, you'll figure that out in a bit. > > Now mount the bolt / form into the vise, horizontally if you have room, or > vertically if you don't (having room will make sense shortly). Anchor the > end of your spring wire. (I usually do this as part of tightening the > bolt/form into the vise. Making a flat spot on the bolt where you clamp it > would be helpful here.) > > Now slide the tool onto the form, notch toward the vise, and engage the wire > in the notch. Start turning and you'll wind up your new spring. Getting > the coil spacing even will take a little practice, for starters just wind it > tight to the previous coil. > > Let me know how you make out. I confess to not having made one of these, I > do kind of the same process with the Brookstone tool. It has the advantage > of a spacing deal to help wind an evenly spaced spring. If I had time this > evening I would have made one like I described and taken a picture. But the > resulting tool should be a slightly larger version of what I used making > fence a generation or 2 ago. That was a little smaller, the wire was mild > and the radius was small and the tool was made to slip into your overalls > pocket comfortably. > > Happy winding! > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:56 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > This is close to what I have, likely better than what I have. > > I will try to send directions tonight to build-your-own for a specific sized > form, built on the concept of the fencing tool I used to use. But I expect > something like Rob references would do an easier job of maintaining a > consistent pitch. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:14 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > > > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > > like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair > > of pliers and was not successful. > > Hi Curt, > I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at > this item offered from MSC: > > http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 > > It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining > pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two > different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so > you'll have the material on hand. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 05:41:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:41:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted References: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: NICE..as usual!!!!!!! thanx fer sharin' RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > Curt > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 05:45:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:45:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> <42EEB951.600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thank you Jeff for the nice pictures..very educational RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > OOPS!! :-( > > http://oldirongallery.com/LS.html > > Jeff Allen wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > Here are the lineshaft pictures I took this weekend. They are from the > > blacksmith shop in Bird City. I shrunked em down a bit. Anyone wants > > full size contact me and I'll build another page. Huge files. The > > machine next to the lathe appears to be a mill. The project in the > > vice looked like a bolt they were cutting the head on. Not running > > while I was there. > > > > Jeff Allen > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > >> Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, > >> engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, > >> w/#4 morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice > >> kiln. > >> > >> So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and > >> possibly a bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in > >> the ole mom and pop lineshaft driven machine shop?? > >> > >> We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if > >> I'm wrong. > >> > >> Thanks gang in anticipation > >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 05:52:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Yes Curt, It will definetly be driven with an old engine. Eco fer now should turn it just fine and down the road, the 12hp Witte would surely do the job..if we ever get it:-((. Yes a mill and planer would be nice. Wondering if it was commom practice to put the engine in the middle of the lineshaft?? I can see the bene's...but I'd like to put it on one end, next to the big door and then drive an approximate 25 footer. Thanks all for the replies Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > Rick, > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, > >engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 > >morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly > > a > >bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and > >pop > >lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if > > I'm > >wrong. > > > > Thanks gang in anticipation > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 2 06:48:32 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:48:32 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000501c59768$e315d920$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, this is what I like an IHC powerhouse. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/powerhouse1913.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Wondering if it was commom practice to put the engine in the middle of the > lineshaft?? I can see the bene's...but I'd like to put it on one end, next > to the big door and then drive an approximate 25 footer. > > Thanks all for the replies > > Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 07:09:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:09:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <000501c59768$e315d920$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Only one problem John....if I had that setup, I'd have to buy a cow..and the udder thing is...well, I've never done that...well maybe once, just to see if I could hit the cat. "Once again...Man should have four arms" Would be kewl tho!! thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > Hi Rick, this is what I like an IHC powerhouse. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/powerhouse1913.jpg > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Wondering if it was commom practice to put the engine in the middle of > > the > > lineshaft?? I can see the bene's...but I'd like to put it on one end, > > next > > to the big door and then drive an approximate 25 footer. > > > > Thanks all for the replies > > > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 2 14:06:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:06:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. Message-ID: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All. Put some impressions together of our historical festival at Panningen past long weekend. We had a good show, alas the Sunday was rainy, but it didn't hurt the visitors and all the members that were on display. This time no many rare ss engines, those guys were showing there stuff in France at a great show. Enjoy them, they can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2005.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 15:48:10 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:48:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Ind. Show Message-ID: <001c01c597b4$426eeb00$80e3f504@x8h7l9> I am making plans for the Portland, Indiana show and notice on the calendar at http://www.agbusinessgroup.com/calendars_events/calendar.cfm?template=ATG_EventsCalendar that something is scheduled for Wednesday the 24 th and Thursday the 25. Can some one please point me to a link that explains the program. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Aug 2 18:16:39 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:16:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Status Message-ID: <30.77c416ef.302174f7@aol.com> Hi List, Well after being dead for several years, the Wisconsin Model MBKND ran. The biggest problem I had with this engine was the fuel line from the gas tank to the carburetor was plugged. The engine seems to perk right along. I just have to do a few more minor things before it is finished. I noticed that the magneto is made by Teledyne. However, it looks very much like a Fairbanks Morse J1. Are the parts interchangable? This magneto puts out a very hot spark. Initially, I used a ? hp electric motor and vee belt to start the engine. This method saves a lot of wear and tear on the arm trying to start an engine that hasn't ran for a time. Now, I am able to start the engine now with a pull rope. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Aug 2 18:53:56 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:53:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> >> >>So what is the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN?? >>One of the largest shows in the world - hundreds of tractors, thousands >>on engines on display - acres of related stuff for sale. >>Aug 24 - 28 , 2005 are the show dates, alot of us show up the Sat and Sun >>before to set up, camp and look around as you will NOT see it all in a >>few days. >> >> >>Both the tractor group and engine group have events and space reserved at >>the show. We need to know in advance so we can save you a space. >> >>If you want to show/display >> >>Tractors - contact Steve Sewell sewell at ohio.edu >>Engines - contact Dave Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com >> >>If you want to camp (This is the BEST way to see all the show and meet >>your ATIS friends) Lots of food on the grounds by service groups like the >>Lions clubs, church groups and such, Cheap ($5.00 will buy you a meal) >>Breakfast is served a 5 AM. So all you really need is a tent and sleeping >>bag as the camp ground has really nice showers. >> >> >>Tractor Wagonmaster - Gene Dotson gdotsly at loganrec.com >>Engine Wagonmaster - Leroy Clark oldengin at udata.com >> >>Events >> >>Thursday night - Back Forty restaurant in Decatur, In All ATIS dinner, >>good , all you can eat food for less than $20.00 a person. Contact Dave >>Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com so we can give the restaurant a head count - >>no money need to be sent. >> >>Engine folks have a cookout/beer tasting on Friday night at the camping >>area. Group pictures are taken every day of the show at the display area >>~ 11:30 AM. >> >>Tractor folks go out to eat at a local restaurant in Portland on Wed >>night ( the Mexican last year) , have a group photo taken on Friday at >>11:30AM at the tractor display then retreat to the camping area for a >>picnic lunch provided by the Brown family. >> >>If you receive this e-mail you are a member of the ATIS family and are >>invited to all the events!!!! >> >>So do it now!! Put in for the time off, buy the airline tickets, rent >>the camper, get the tractor/engine running and painted >>Hope to see you ALL in August at Portland , IN. >> >>- Steve >> >> >> >> >> >>Steve Sewell >>Albany, Ohio USA >>sewell at atis.net >>sewell at ohio.edu > > >***************************************************************************** > >***************************************************************************** From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 18:57:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:57:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> References: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F0249C.6090505@earthlink.net> Hi Curt, Been enjoying your posts on this project for some time now. Can't wait for the completion and the first time you lite it. Jeff Allen Curt wrote: > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > Curt > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 2 19:00:26 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:00:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring: pictures of commercial winder In-Reply-To: <080220050922.10859.42EF3B3E00063B9300002A6B21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200508022100417.SM02420@wrbpc> http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder1.jpg http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder2.jpg The tool says Brookstone on the handle. I could not find it on the Brookstone web site. For reference, that's a 5/16 bolt I'm using for a form. On the disassembled picture, the star wheel is inverted from its operating position. It has different thicknesses cut in each of the indentations so that you can use this thickness as the space between the windings and thus it's easier to get a neat job. This winder doesn't apply the pressure quite as close to the form as I think it should, but it is a consistent pressure so at least the spring will be uniform. The spring will unwind a little and be larger than the form by an unnecessary amount, IMHO. For experimenting, consider using mild steel until you get the hang of it. Winding spring steel has its own additional challenges. No time for making the home-made one this evening. Heading down to father in law's place, maybe he'll have one of the fencing tools in his shop that I can picture for all. Or maybe I'll be bored down there and make one in his shop if he hasn't got projects sufficient lined up to entertain me. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 2 19:29:44 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. In-Reply-To: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050803022944.15781.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> John - Thank you for sharing your show. Your pictures are absolutely fabulous. Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. John Hammink wrote: Hi All. Put some impressions together of our historical festival at Panningen past long weekend. We had a good show, alas the Sunday was rainy, but it didn't hurt the visitors and all the members that were on display. This time no many rare ss engines, those guys were showing there stuff in France at a great show. Enjoy them, they can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2005.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 20:45:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:45:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! Message-ID: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Hi all, Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. Jeff Allen From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 2 21:22:39 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:22:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F0468F.8090502@scrtc.com> Jeff, Make every effort to get on the Board of Directors. If there are several club members that feel as you do and you stick together, you can get some new blood running the show. I've seen this have to happen in the past in order to "right the course" for some clubs. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 22:48:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:48:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Status In-Reply-To: <30.77c416ef.302174f7@aol.com> References: <30.77c416ef.302174f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050802224869c3fa57@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > Well after being dead for several years, the Wisconsin Model MBKND ran. The > biggest problem I had with this engine was the fuel line from the gas tank > to the carburetor was plugged. The engine seems to perk right along. I just > have to do a few more minor things before it is finished. > I noticed that the magneto is made by Teledyne. However, it looks very much > like a Fairbanks Morse J1. Are the parts interchangable? This magneto puts > out a very hot spark. > Initially, I used a ? hp electric motor and vee belt to start the engine. > This method saves a lot of wear and tear on the arm trying to start an engine > that hasn't ran for a time. Now, I am able to start the engine now with a > pull rope. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > Francis: One of the Fairbanks-Morse service manuals that we have shows Colt Industries as the owners of the business, and there are others involved in the Wico magneto business as well. Colt, Teledyne, Rockwell, Prestolite, Bendix were the main players when magnetos were big business. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 2 23:01:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:01:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Emerald Winterfest 2005 photos now online Message-ID: <42F05DD3.6070904@steamengine.com.au> No really unusual or rare engines at this one but if you're a McDonald fan then there is plenty to look at. I chucked in some train holdup pictures from the day too just for the hell of it. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/emerald-winterfest-2005/index.html Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/08/2005 From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Aug 3 01:59:34 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:59:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring: pictures of commercial winder Message-ID: <080320050859.11613.42F08776000A1D0300002D5D21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Bill, Thanks for the pics of the commercial winder. Now I better understand what they look like. Still would like to see your homemade one with a pic of it in use as well. Curt > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder1.jpg > > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder2.jpg > > The tool says Brookstone on the handle. I could not find it on the > Brookstone web site. > > For reference, that's a 5/16 bolt I'm using for a form. > > On the disassembled picture, the star wheel is inverted from its operating > position. It has different thicknesses cut in each of the indentations so > that you can use this thickness as the space between the windings and thus > it's easier to get a neat job. > > This winder doesn't apply the pressure quite as close to the form as I think > it should, but it is a consistent pressure so at least the spring will be > uniform. The spring will unwind a little and be larger than the form by an > unnecessary amount, IMHO. > > For experimenting, consider using mild steel until you get the hang of it. > Winding spring steel has its own additional challenges. > > No time for making the home-made one this evening. Heading down to father > in law's place, maybe he'll have one of the fencing tools in his shop that I > can picture for all. Or maybe I'll be bored down there and make one in his > shop if he hasn't got projects sufficient lined up to entertain me. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Aug 3 01:59:08 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:59:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> I agree it would look nicest to use a hit-n-miss - but in a machine shop where you need a steady speed and there is a lot of crud flying around, I'd be thinking an enclosed throttle governed engine - maybe even a diesel would be the way to go. You'd get a nice steady speed and the engine would be immune from swarf and chips etc. Paul Curt wrote: > Rick, > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > Curt > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/08/2005 From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Aug 3 02:35:59 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:35:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080320050935.19754.42F08FFF00059B3A00004D2A21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rob for your imput and help. Curt > > > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of > > holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting > > doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful. > > Hi Curt, > I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this > item offered from MSC: > > http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 > > It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining > pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two > different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll > have the material on hand. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 3 05:31:56 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <42F0468F.8090502@scrtc.com> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> <42F0468F.8090502@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1537.165.206.180.102.1123072316.squirrel@antique-engines.com> It happened here in Iowa - the club is now pretty much purged - new show director, more fun things to do, activities, people are happier, actually positive comments as they leave, attentance is picking up again. Ya gotta work at it and stick with it, but it can happen if a couple of folks get on the board and others work in the background. It was a real coupe, the dictators were overthrown. Bill > Jeff, > > Make every effort to get on the Board of Directors. If there are > several club members that feel as you do and you stick together, you can > get some new blood running the show. I've seen this have to happen in > the past in order to "right the course" for some clubs. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Jeff Allen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that >> has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered >> why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting >> to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. >> It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. >> Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going >> on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for >> change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and >> moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make >> the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 3 06:01:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:01:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: I have a tendency to agree with you Paul, seems though that just the load of the lineshafting, belting,etc., would be enough to keep it from latching up..and especially if one is working a machine. Maybe not..be fun experimenting Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > I agree it would look nicest to use a hit-n-miss - but in a machine shop > where you need a steady speed and there is a lot of crud flying around, > I'd be thinking an enclosed throttle governed engine - maybe even a > diesel would be the way to go. You'd get a nice steady speed and the > engine would be immune from swarf and chips etc. > > Paul > > Curt wrote: > > Rick, > > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > > Curt > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 06:15:37 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:15:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Steve, Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve sewell" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > >> > >>So what is the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN?? > >>One of the largest shows in the world - hundreds of tractors, thousands > >>on engines on display - acres of related stuff for sale. > >>Aug 24 - 28 , 2005 are the show dates, alot of us show up the Sat and Sun > >>before to set up, camp and look around as you will NOT see it all in a > >>few days. > >> > >> > >>Both the tractor group and engine group have events and space reserved at > >>the show. We need to know in advance so we can save you a space. > >> > >>If you want to show/display > >> > >>Tractors - contact Steve Sewell sewell at ohio.edu > >>Engines - contact Dave Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com > >> > >>If you want to camp (This is the BEST way to see all the show and meet > >>your ATIS friends) Lots of food on the grounds by service groups like the > >>Lions clubs, church groups and such, Cheap ($5.00 will buy you a meal) > >>Breakfast is served a 5 AM. So all you really need is a tent and sleeping > >>bag as the camp ground has really nice showers. > >> > >> > >>Tractor Wagonmaster - Gene Dotson gdotsly at loganrec.com > >>Engine Wagonmaster - Leroy Clark oldengin at udata.com > >> > >>Events > >> > >>Thursday night - Back Forty restaurant in Decatur, In All ATIS dinner, > >>good , all you can eat food for less than $20.00 a person. Contact Dave > >>Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com so we can give the restaurant a head count - > >>no money need to be sent. > >> > >>Engine folks have a cookout/beer tasting on Friday night at the camping > >>area. Group pictures are taken every day of the show at the display area > >>~ 11:30 AM. > >> > >>Tractor folks go out to eat at a local restaurant in Portland on Wed > >>night ( the Mexican last year) , have a group photo taken on Friday at > >>11:30AM at the tractor display then retreat to the camping area for a > >>picnic lunch provided by the Brown family. > >> > >>If you receive this e-mail you are a member of the ATIS family and are > >>invited to all the events!!!! > >> > >>So do it now!! Put in for the time off, buy the airline tickets, rent > >>the camper, get the tractor/engine running and painted > >>Hope to see you ALL in August at Portland , IN. > >> > >>- Steve > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Steve Sewell > >>Albany, Ohio USA > >>sewell at atis.net > >>sewell at ohio.edu > > > > > >*************************************************************************** ** > > > >*************************************************************************** ** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Aug 3 06:21:02 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:21:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> what club, what show, what website? I have not learned to read minds yet help! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: Cc: "Oldengine list" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that has > gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered why. > Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting to > include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. It's > there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. Short trip > for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going on. I don't > think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for change. Running > the web site does have some advantages. The piss and moan mail comes to > me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make the club better, but > I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 3 06:52:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:52:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <42F0CC3A.70405@scrtc.com> Ed, No, things will be running full blast on the 24th and 25th. There will be people setting up on Sunday and Monday. Even arriving on the 24th, you can't see it all. Hope to see you there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Steve, > >Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are >set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "steve sewell" >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >Cc: ; >; >; > >Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:53 PM >Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > >>>>So what is the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN?? >>>>One of the largest shows in the world - hundreds of tractors, thousands >>>>on engines on display - acres of related stuff for sale. >>>>Aug 24 - 28 , 2005 are the show dates, alot of us show up the Sat and >>>> >>>> >Sun > > >>>>before to set up, camp and look around as you will NOT see it all in a >>>>few days. >>>> >>>> >>>>Both the tractor group and engine group have events and space reserved >>>> >>>> >at > > >>>>the show. We need to know in advance so we can save you a space. >>>> >>>>If you want to show/display >>>> >>>>Tractors - contact Steve Sewell sewell at ohio.edu >>>>Engines - contact Dave Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com >>>> >>>>If you want to camp (This is the BEST way to see all the show and meet >>>>your ATIS friends) Lots of food on the grounds by service groups like >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>>Lions clubs, church groups and such, Cheap ($5.00 will buy you a meal) >>>>Breakfast is served a 5 AM. So all you really need is a tent and >>>> >>>> >sleeping > > >>>>bag as the camp ground has really nice showers. >>>> >>>> >>>>Tractor Wagonmaster - Gene Dotson gdotsly at loganrec.com >>>>Engine Wagonmaster - Leroy Clark oldengin at udata.com >>>> >>>>Events >>>> >>>>Thursday night - Back Forty restaurant in Decatur, In All ATIS dinner, >>>>good , all you can eat food for less than $20.00 a person. Contact Dave >>>>Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com so we can give the restaurant a head >>>> >>>> >count - > > >>>>no money need to be sent. >>>> >>>>Engine folks have a cookout/beer tasting on Friday night at the camping >>>>area. Group pictures are taken every day of the show at the display area >>>>~ 11:30 AM. >>>> >>>>Tractor folks go out to eat at a local restaurant in Portland on Wed >>>>night ( the Mexican last year) , have a group photo taken on Friday at >>>>11:30AM at the tractor display then retreat to the camping area for a >>>>picnic lunch provided by the Brown family. >>>> >>>>If you receive this e-mail you are a member of the ATIS family and are >>>>invited to all the events!!!! >>>> >>>>So do it now!! Put in for the time off, buy the airline tickets, rent >>>>the camper, get the tractor/engine running and painted >>>>Hope to see you ALL in August at Portland , IN. >>>> >>>>- Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Steve Sewell >>>>Albany, Ohio USA >>>>sewell at atis.net >>>>sewell at ohio.edu >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>*************************************************************************** >> >> >** > > >>*************************************************************************** >> >> >** > > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 06:55:45 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:55:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <200508031000.j73A0Cnj013886@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:22:39 -0400 >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <42F0468F.8090502 at scrtc.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Jeff, > > Make every effort to get on the Board of Directors. If there are >several club members that feel as you do and you stick together, you can >get some new blood running the show. I've seen this have to happen in >the past in order to "right the course" for some clubs. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Jeff Allen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > > > Jeff Allen Tommy has the right idea here! You will certainly find serving on your clubs's board of directors to be an educational experience. I have served on the board of my club for 3 years & 2 as Chairman. The experience has been pretty enjoyable and I've gotten the opportunity to work with a lot of great folks. I don't know the dynamics of your club. Don't be to quick to assume that the board was intentionally excluding you from information that you needed. Could it be that it was a simple oversight? In my, albeit short, tenure as a director I have made this very mistake a few times. You will probably find that your directors are a group of folks who care about the club and are doing the best that they know how. Anytime that you bring a group of people to form a club there will be diversity in personalities and ideas. The diversity is what makes the club work and it brings with it a certain level of bullshit. You can't have a club without it! Don't get mad, don't get discouraged just dig in and try to help steer the group in the direction that you think is best. Most importantly, when the group decides to go a different direction DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 06:56:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:56:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <6f60251605080306563017a0b9@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, ED wrote: > Steve, > > Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are > set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > Try a bit of snipping here :-)) ALL days are good, ED, there's plenty to see on all the days and if anything I'd say that Thursday/Friday are the best for seeing things, Wednesday for bargain hunting in the stalls, but we've always found there was too much to see in three days anyway! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 3 06:58:33 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring: pictures of commercial winder In-Reply-To: <200508022100417.SM02420@wrbpc> References: <080220050922.10859.42EF3B3E00063B9300002A6B21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <200508022100417.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <1875.165.206.180.102.1123077513.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Do ya suppose one of ya could wind me a new pair of springs then for the front of my car? Bill > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder1.jpg > > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder2.jpg > > The tool says Brookstone on the handle. I could not find it on the > Brookstone web site. > > For reference, that's a 5/16 bolt I'm using for a form. > > On the disassembled picture, the star wheel is inverted from its operating > position. It has different thicknesses cut in each of the indentations so > that you can use this thickness as the space between the windings and thus > it's easier to get a neat job. > > This winder doesn't apply the pressure quite as close to the form as I > think > it should, but it is a consistent pressure so at least the spring will be > uniform. The spring will unwind a little and be larger than the form by > an > unnecessary amount, IMHO. > > For experimenting, consider using mild steel until you get the hang of it. > Winding spring steel has its own additional challenges. > > No time for making the home-made one this evening. Heading down to father > in law's place, maybe he'll have one of the fencing tools in his shop that > I > can picture for all. Or maybe I'll be bored down there and make one in > his > shop if he hasn't got projects sufficient lined up to entertain me. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 07:09:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, On the contrary, the show officially starts at 9:00 AM on Wednesday 24-August. Many folks setup on Monday or Tuesday (or earlier). The busiest days are probably Friday and Saturday. Late Saturday many folks have started to pull out and Sunday is probably 3/4 empty. Here's the club's website. http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/ And here's four year's worth of "first-person" accounts of what the "Portland Experience" is all about. Enjoy!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portlandindex.htm You NEED to do Portland. For an engine man (or woman) Portland is the equivalent of a Muslim's visit to Mecca. And since this is the 40th year of the "Portland Experience" it's probably gonna be a WILD TIME!! 8-)))) BTW only 20 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes and 31 seconds to go!!! I hope that helps. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, ED wrote: > Steve, > > Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are > set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 07:18:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:18:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6f60251605080307186aa39b38@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > I have a tendency to agree with you Paul, seems though that just the load of > the lineshafting, belting,etc., would be enough to keep it from latching > up..and especially if one is working a machine. > > Maybe not..be fun experimenting > > Rick > I wouldn't like to be around the machinery with the on/off action of the governor! :-)) If you kept it below the governed point so it was always on power then OK, but it would be a bit naughty otherwise. Can't beat a nice diesel.... that vertical Witte at last years Portland show was a nice lump, pity we couldn't have done a deal with that one :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 07:54:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <6f60251605080307186aa39b38@mail.gmail.com> References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> <6f60251605080307186aa39b38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, Craig Prucha used a 5 hp Economy (hit & miss) for years to power his lineshaft machine shop. http://www.antique-engine.com/shop/shop.htm The Economy has since been replaced in the shop by a lovely 12 hp Field-Brundage cam stopper. Talk about some sweet music to work to!! http://www.antique-engine.com/12field/field01.htm See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8/3/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > I have a tendency to agree with you Paul, seems though that just the load of > > the lineshafting, belting,etc., would be enough to keep it from latching > > up..and especially if one is working a machine. > > > > Maybe not..be fun experimenting > > > > Rick > > I wouldn't like to be around the machinery with the on/off action of > the governor! :-)) > > If you kept it below the governed point so it was always on power then > OK, but it would be a bit naughty otherwise. > > Can't beat a nice diesel.... that vertical Witte at last years > Portland show was a nice lump, pity we couldn't have done a deal with > that one :-)) > > Peter From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 08:53:36 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:53:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Wisconsin Model MBKND Status In-Reply-To: <200508031000.j73A0Cnj013886@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Message: 8 >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:16:39 EDT >From: FRM8198 at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Status >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <30.77c416ef.302174f7 at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > >Hi List, >Well after being dead for several years, the Wisconsin Model MBKND ran. >The >biggest problem I had with this engine was the fuel line from the gas tank >to the carburetor was plugged. The engine seems to perk right along. I >just >have to do a few more minor things before it is finished. >I noticed that the magneto is made by Teledyne. However, it looks very >much >like a Fairbanks Morse J1. Are the parts interchangable? This magneto >puts >out a very hot spark. >Initially, I used a ? hp electric motor and vee belt to start the engine. >This method saves a lot of wear and tear on the arm trying to start an >engine >that hasn't ran for a time. Now, I am able to start the engine now with a >pull rope. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA Congrats on getting the Wisconsin running! I'd imagine that the mag looks like a Fairbanks because it basically is one. Probably a different company building a mag of the same design. I can't remeber seeing an air cooled Wisconsin with anything other than a Fairbanks Mag. I have a BKN on my Gard'n Mast'r tractor and can relate to the cranking problem that you experienced. I did exactly the same trick with the electric motor. Now that it is properly tuned starts OK with the rope. Now find something cool to power with your engine! From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 3 09:06:09 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:06:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > You NEED to do Portland. For an engine man (or woman) Portland is the > equivalent of a Muslim's visit to Mecca. Hi Arnie, While I've never been to Mecca, I envision it being a little different than a pilgrimage to Portland. For one, stampeding hordes have never trampled pilgrims at Portland. Although last year a trailerload of nice engines pulled in and a fat guy on a butt buggy got so excited he nearly ran me over. Secondly, you can consume hopped malt beverages at Portland without risking getting your mug-grasping-hand cut off. Thirdly, the Tri-State club has no rules against doing the "unskinny bop." And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. Rob P.S. 20 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 09:23:31 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:23:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu><004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <003301c59847$b19ec700$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to find info on it. They should include the web site link in all calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > Hi Ed, > > On the contrary, the show officially starts at 9:00 AM on Wednesday > 24-August. Many folks setup on Monday or Tuesday (or earlier). > The busiest days are probably Friday and Saturday. Late Saturday many > folks have started to pull out and Sunday is probably 3/4 empty. > > Here's the club's website. http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/ > > And here's four year's worth of "first-person" accounts of what the > "Portland Experience" is all about. Enjoy!! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portlandindex.htm > > You NEED to do Portland. For an engine man (or woman) Portland is the > equivalent of a Muslim's visit to Mecca. And since this is the 40th > year of the "Portland Experience" it's probably gonna be a WILD TIME!! > 8-)))) > > BTW only 20 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes and 31 seconds to go!!! > > I hope that helps. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, ED wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are > > set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Aug 3 09:35:34 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: West Coast??? Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 10:14:54 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:14:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: Message-ID: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a little out of our way for the new guys. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > West Coast??? > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > George > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 3 10:33:15 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Bill > what club, what show, what website? > I have not learned to read minds yet > help! > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of cool antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: > Cc: "Oldengine list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:45 PM > Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 10:49:00 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> References: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <42F1038C.8060409@imc-group.com> Ed, Be glad! Your 3 day drive just turned into 10 hours! This reminds me of one of our club members who got his dates mixed up a few years ago. He packed up wife, engine, and gear and headed for the big winter show in Florida. Turns out he showed up a week early. Luckily he is retired so they stuck around for a week and waited for the show. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ED wrote: >Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a >little out of our way for the new guys. > >Ed >----- Original Message ----- > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 10:52:43 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> References: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Ed, I think that's why the state abbreviation IN for Indiana is in the subject line (along with the year) to help the "new guys" not be confused about which Portland or which year. How's that expression of Dave's go? "Ya send 'em to school, buy 'em books, and they just chew the covers off." See ya at Portland Indiana in 20 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes and 50 seconds. Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, ED wrote: > Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a > little out of our way for the new guys. > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:35 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > West Coast??? > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > > > George > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > > > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > > > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > > > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > > > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > > > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > > > > Ed Stoller > > > New Fairfield, CT From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 10:57:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> <2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? > > Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > Bill > > > what club, what show, what website? > > I have not learned to read minds yet > > help! > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, From mullt at att.net Wed Aug 3 11:09:12 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:09:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> How about Portland Maine? ;-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "ED" > Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a > little out of our way for the new guys. > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:35 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > West Coast??? > > > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > > > George > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > > > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > > > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > > > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > > > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > > > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > > > > > > > Ed Stoller > > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 11:24:44 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: No, not Maine, or Oregon, or Connecticut, or Tenneesee, or Texas, or Arkansas, or Colorado, or Florida. And no Dorothy, not Portland, Kansas either. I think that about covers the "Not Portland Indiana" group? 8-)) On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 mullt at att.net wrote: > How about Portland Maine? ;-) From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Aug 3 11:48:01 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:48:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> I do have photographic evidence of this event, actually. For the sake of innocent women and children, I haven't put it on the web, but you can email me helen at insulate.co.uk if you want to see it .... Dolly PS 20 days, 4 hours, 12 minues and 5 seconds Rob Skinner wrote: > And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself > up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun > weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with > poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven > impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say > they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. > Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. > > Rob > > P.S. > 20 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 11:56:38 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:56:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. In-Reply-To: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42F11366.5040605@imc-group.com> John, Thank you for sharing these photos with us. Concerning the Nonpariel.....is the red and black/Brewster green the correct color for a Nonpariel? Was the blue only for the Osborn line of IHC? Seems like I have seen some blue Nonpariels and now I am wondering which is correct. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >Hi All. > >Put some impressions together of our historical festival at Panningen >past long weekend. We had a good show, alas the Sunday was rainy, >but it didn't hurt the visitors and all the members that were on display. >This time no many rare ss engines, those guys were showing there stuff >in France at a great show. >Enjoy them, they can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2005.htm > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 12:12:35 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, Please, even in off-list distribution of THAT photo, put one of those little black rectangles over the eyes. Well, the eyes and those OTHER bits that should be covered. You never know where that photo may end up, and you could be subject to a lawsuit for terrorizing innocent women and children. 8->> See ya, Arnie PS - Only 20 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes and 49 seconds left till Portland! On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Jim French wrote: > I do have photographic evidence of this event, actually. For the sake of innocent > women and children, I haven't put it on the web, but you can email me > helen at insulate.co.uk if you want to see it .... > > Dolly > > Rob Skinner wrote: > > > And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself > > up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun > > weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with > > poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven > > impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say > > they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. > > Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 12:16:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F1181C.4020501@imc-group.com> OK Jeff, how about a counterpoint..... -Is it possible the omission of the show is a simple mistake rather than a conscious decision by your board to keep people from this neighboring show? -Is it possible that no one on your board could get ahold of you to have you put it on the website? You have made it quite clear (on slick) that you intentionally make finding your address or phone number impossible to find. -Is it possible this club is no longer fun for you and you should find something else to do for fun? This IS a hobby! -Is it possible that a diplomatic approach would win friends and influence friends to be sure you are included in the information loop? -What age are you? At 43 I have found that yielding to the wishes of the more seasoned, older members turns out the best long term decisions. Ya know, respect for elders...... Club divide is a bad thing. We all have to do our absolute best to assure we continue to get along and move the club agenda forward. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 12:22:06 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:22:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005/ digressing OT In-Reply-To: <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <42F1195E.8020605@imc-group.com> Yeah, like there are any innocent women in THIS group! :-) Curt P.S. It can't be any worse than the same whip wielding philosopher standing over the gal on all fours. That's a classic. Jim French wrote: >I do have photographic evidence of this event, actually. For the sake of innocent >women and children, I haven't put it on the web, but you can email me >helen at insulate.co.uk if you want to see it .... > >Dolly > >PS 20 days, 4 hours, 12 minues and 5 seconds > >Rob Skinner wrote: > > > >>And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself >>up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun >>weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with >>poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven >>impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say >>they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. >>Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. >> >>Rob >> >>P.S. >>20 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds >> >> >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ivancou at alltel.net Wed Aug 3 12:34:53 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:34:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <005001c59862$6c1ec520$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Ed , Wensday is the first official day , but the good buys happen before that . If youre going to look for parts the sooner you get there the better . I drive all day tuesday to get there and start shopping tuesday evening . But there is stuff to do all week . Ivan From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Aug 3 12:54:36 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:54:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: In message , Arnie Fero writes >No, not Maine, or Oregon, or Connecticut, or Tenneesee, or Texas, or >Arkansas, or Colorado, or Florida. And no Dorothy, not Portland, Kansas >either. I think that about covers the "Not Portland Indiana" group? > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I have no idea why. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 3 12:55:35 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:55:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. References: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42F11366.5040605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002001c59865$5435fbb0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, Only the Osborne line sold their IHC engines that time in blue. The other IHC dealers sold the same in the red and brewster green colors. To be sure what you have, it depends on the paint left on the engine I think. John H. > Concerning the Nonpariel.....is the red and black/Brewster green the > correct color for a Nonpariel? Was the blue only for the Osborn line of > IHC? Seems like I have seen some blue Nonpariels and now I am wondering > which is correct. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 13:31:12 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Clearly Pete, that's because Portland, OR is the first one that shows up when you enter Portland into http://www.mapquest.com/ and click on Get Map. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Peter Scales wrote: > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I have no idea > why. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 13:51:59 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:51:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Clearly Pete, that's because Portland, OR is the first one that shows up > when you enter Portland into http://www.mapquest.com/ and click on Get > Map. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie All or most of the names in the USA were nicked from the UK and Europe anyway... :-)) The ORIGINAL Portland is on the south coast of England. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mullt at att.net Wed Aug 3 14:21:04 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:21:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03@att.net> Dare I ask what a "right-pondian" is? Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Clearly Pete, that's because Portland, OR is the first one that shows up > when you enter Portland into http://www.mapquest.com/ and click on Get > Map. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Peter Scales wrote: > > > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I have no idea > > why. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Aug 3 14:37:10 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:37:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I > have no idea why. > > Regards > Peter Scales Probably because Portland Oregon is the largest of the Portland's in the U.S. Other than Portland Oregon, and Portland Maine, most of the other Portlands are pretty well unknown to the general public. In the old iron hobby "Portland" always refers to Portland Indiana. A little trivia on Portland Oregon. It is actually named after Portland Maine. The city name was decided by the toss of a coin. The winner was from Portland Maine and so Portland became the name. The losing choice was Boston, since the other person was from Boston Mass. So the toss of a coin caused there to be one more Portland instead of another Boston. George From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Aug 3 15:49:08 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:49:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. References: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><42F11366.5040605@imc-group.com> <002001c59865$5435fbb0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003701c5987d$8fe34f60$c284dccb@oemcomputer> There are quite a lot of Nonpariels in Australia(I am boring and resleaving a 2hp today)and all that I have seen have been blue.I have also had parts of several to repair for people and they have had blue paint on out of the way areas.I have never seen an engine badged Osborne in Australia but there may be some . PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:55 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > Curt, > Only the Osborne line sold their IHC engines that time in blue. > The other IHC dealers sold the same in the red and brewster green > colors. To be sure what you have, it depends on the paint left on the > engine I think. > > John H. > > > Concerning the Nonpariel.....is the red and black/Brewster green the > > correct color for a Nonpariel? Was the blue only for the Osborn line of > > IHC? Seems like I have seen some blue Nonpariels and now I am wondering > > which is correct. > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 3 16:01:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:01:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803190036.02239d38@mail.alltel.net> >The ORIGINAL Portland is on the south coast of England. > >Peter Where (exactly) is England? Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Aug 3 16:23:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:23:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] club bullshit Message-ID: <003201c59882$71c0d340$ee9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> As soon as I saw the source of this thread I recall the instance when he complained because no one answered one of his questions............so glad I am not a near neighbour.Subtleness in not something he knows much about. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 3 16:37:47 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:37:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> > And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap > yourself > up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about > a gun > weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement > with > poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus > for proven > impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some > say > they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory > Syndrome. > Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. I had photos. My wife destroyed them. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 3 18:18:38 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:18:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803211718.04b08398@mail.alltel.net> At 07:37 PM 8/3/2005, you wrote: >>And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap >>yourself >>up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun >>weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with >>poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for >>proven >>impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say >>they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. >>Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. > >I had photos. My wife destroyed them. > >John Culp Hate like hell to tell you this John, but Jane still has them! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 18:36:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:36:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Club bullshit!! Now with more details. In-Reply-To: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F17115.1090501@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. There were some that didn't quite understand my message, and perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been. I was mad as hell, and have calmed down some. I'll try to answer the questions I received and make matters more clear now. The club site is here: http://frapa.us/ I am a member and I run the web site. The first thing I did when I took it (web site) over is register a domain. We now have a better Internet presence and the entire site can be moved with ease if need be. We can now be found with search engines and that was not possible before. The old site was used as advertising for the man who originally set up the club site. That site is still up, but I contacted him, and it now links to us. That is my biggest contribution to the club to date, and I think it is an important one. I also pay for the domain and server out of pocket. The original e-mail I received was regarding a show that has been a club event for some time. The sender was under the impression that the event had to be in the newsletter or online for our liability insurance to be in effect. I sent him to the VP for the insurance info, because being listed does not insure coverage. If the event is not club sponsored there is no insurance. Forget the insurance aspect, because that is not my gripe. I am concerned that the bored of directors no longer care about showing engines unless there is a profit for the club. The show this weekend provides no revenue for the club. It is part of a small town festival, and our members are part of it. I have attended a couple board meetings, and the general consensus is that there will be little or no support for any show that does not provide revenue. I think that is wrong. There are many events that do provide revenue for the club. The barrel train is used at others events to provide revenue for us. The fair in the mountains nearby uses the club to pull their visitors on hay wagons and we make money. That is all well and good, but it should not be the driving force for everything we participate in. I have received three requests for members to show at events this year. All were trashed by the board. I believe that every opportunity that is offered to our club to show engines and/or tractors should be looked at. I look at the sites of Ron and Rob in California, and I hope I got that right, and those folks are always showing somewhere. I envy you. I don't know if that cleared things up a bit or not, but I gave it a shot. I'll reply off list to a few of you, and ignore one. Again, I thank you for your comments and feedback. Jeff Allen Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 3 19:08:26 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:08:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803211718.04b08398@mail.alltel.net> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050803211718.04b08398@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3bb1f99166351fb28dd332144530cdef@chartertn.net> > Hate like hell to tell you this John, but Jane still has them! > Dave That explains why she has so many headaches! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 19:38:02 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:38:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] On the lighter side. An OT sort of engine story. Message-ID: <42F17F8A.4050907@earthlink.net> Hi all, I keep thinking about this and decided to share. It has to do with a walk behind garden tractor, Portland, and Bird City. You gotta work to tie all that together. I was at the show in Bird City last year taking pics and met the owner of the 8 hp Monitor. I gave him my card and told him I would have pictures up on my site. Turned out he knowed a guy in Oneida, KS with a Red-E walk behind parts tractor. He wanted to know if I was interested and I was. I hooked up with him and it was on a trailer headed for last years Portland show. I told him Oneida was too far to drive for it, and he said he could get it to Colby if I werent in no hurry. Sold!! Round about Thanksgiving it was delivered to his buddy in Colby. The winter went on and the tractor stayed. Next I know it's late July and I'm off to Bird City. Hells bells, I'm gonna pick it up while I'm in the area. Not gonna happen. Tried calling and no return call. Got an e-mail address and tried to make it happen. Back in Bird City and up comes the man that owns the Monitor. We says hello and he asks about the tractor. I tells him the story. Oh hell he says, I coulda picked that up for ya and brought it here. I know the guy. Now I understand why people consider sticking their heads in a flywheel on a running engine. Got back home and checked the mailbox. The guy that has my tractor was in Denver when I was in Kansas. We got hooked up and storage is no problem. He's looking for a ride out here for me, and if it don't happen, I'll pick it up next year. No rush and engine folks are great. Jeff Allen From jbcast at charter.net Wed Aug 3 20:06:43 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:06:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Associated Message-ID: <48rlb4$h9l82c@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> This story started on a sad note back in April. My sister lost a long battle with cancer. They spent most of their married life in Cincinatti, were here for the last several years. Friends of theirs down for the funeral came to my shop to visit. Ned was fascinated with all the old iron and machinery. He said he had his dads Associated and some other things in storage and needed to slim down to one mini warehouse. His son is starting graduate school at LSU, pulled up today in a rental truck with a 6hp Associated, 2 models, and a B&S model A. I'm guessing the models are Associateds, not sure. One is small enough for the palm of your hand, the other about twice that size. Oil brought the compression up on both. The 6hp was running in less than a half hour, oiled it and cleaned the points, put fuel in it, and off it went.. It's been converted to spark plug but the ignitor was with it. The top of the hopper is an open rectangle with an ear in each corner, is this for an extension! or is there a cover with a smaller opening? It's been a good day, J.B. Castagnos. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 22:29:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:29:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803190036.02239d38@mail.alltel.net> References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050803190036.02239d38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605080322297668e10b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/4/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >The ORIGINAL Portland is on the south coast of England. > > > >Peter > > Where (exactly) is England? > Dave > It's that place across the pond where all the good bits of the USA came from....:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Aug 4 00:07:30 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:07:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03@att.net> References: <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: In message <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03 at att.net> , mullt at att.net writes >Dare I ask what a "right-pondian" is? Someone from the right (east) side of the "pond" (Atlantic) - usually taken to mean a Brit :-) Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Aug 4 04:57:52 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:57:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <121F874E.58AC1A20.04B7CB00@aol.com> hey Ed Can't you remember seeing my 4hp in red and green -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 4 04:58:36 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:58:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: but kinda cool... my site is being archived by the National Library of Australia Message-ID: <42F202EC.3010004@steamengine.com.au> Most of us who make our own web sites do so generally to massage our own egos while trying to provide a good information source to the wider community - I'm no different - I've really enjoyed the last 10 years of creating and maintaining content for www.steamengine.com.au Today I found out the answer to the thought that had sometimes run through my mind... what will happen to my site when I'm gone, or if my arrangements with its generous server provider Paul Evans fall through one day... The National Library of Australia has approached me and advised that they want to archive my site as part of project Pandora where they are storing sites significant to Australian history and culture to make them available to future generations and they wanted my permission to do it - I've given them the go ahead although having my site there does dumbfound me a bit (only a bit, I found plenty of words to put in this message sitting here with a stupid grin on my face :). Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 3/08/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 4 05:01:23 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:01:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F20393.3060303@steamengine.com.au> Why not George? I went to both on my first trip (thanks to you!). Paul Best, George wrote: > West Coast??? > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > George > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 3/08/2005 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 4 10:47:56 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:47:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Club bullshit!! Now with more details. In-Reply-To: <42F17115.1090501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200508041747.j74HlvAG093369@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Thanks for all the comments. There were some that didn't quite > understand my message, and perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have > been. I was mad as hell, and have calmed down some. Hey Jeff! When you joined FRAPA, did you sign a non-compete agreement? If not, tell the organizer that you'll attend and maybe bring some friends. Call some of the local engine collectors and invite them. Either they'll come, or it will just be you and Shorty. If it's the latter, then you guys will get all the attention. There's no down side. Rob P.S. I hope Ron doesn't get mad for giving away one of his secrets, but if your homies come, serve chilled watermelon. Enginemen are like stray dogs -- give 'em some food and they'll keep coming around. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 4 13:46:23 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:46:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Flookburgh Vintage pictures Message-ID: <000d01c59935$94b82660$fa4c1152@no1> I took these pictures last weekend on the edge of the English lake District. A superb show & I took the pictures to show a lot of the general show, not just the engines. See http://community.webshots.com/album/412326992LEwYdL Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 14:10:45 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:10:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: but kinda cool... my site is being archived by the National Library of Australia In-Reply-To: <42F202EC.3010004@steamengine.com.au> References: <42F202EC.3010004@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <42F28455.4010509@earthlink.net> Hi Paul, I can't think of a more deserving site. I always enjoy my visits to your site. Jeff Allen Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Most of us who make our own web sites do so generally to massage our > own egos while trying to provide a good information source to the > wider community - I'm no different - I've really enjoyed the last 10 > years of creating and maintaining content for www.steamengine.com.au > > Today I found out the answer to the thought that had sometimes run > through my mind... what will happen to my site when I'm gone, or if my > arrangements with its generous server provider Paul Evans fall through > one day... The National Library of Australia has approached me and > advised that they want to archive my site as part of project Pandora > where they are storing sites significant to Australian history and > culture to make them available to future generations and they wanted > my permission to do it - I've given them the go ahead although having > my site there does dumbfound me a bit (only a bit, I found plenty of > words to put in this message sitting here with a stupid grin on my > face :). > > Paul > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 14:12:51 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:12:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Club bullshit!! Now with more details. Message-ID: <1d5.416a9350.3023ded3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2005 9:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << I believe that every opportunity that is offered to our club to show engines and/or tractors should be looked at. >> Jeff At our monthly meetings anyone who knows of shows coming up or invitations for club members to come to town events, etc., announces them so everyone and anyone who can and wishes to attend does so without making it a "formal club event". I take my engines to a car cruise-in every third saturday evening and have a great time as there are no other one lungers there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 14:15:27 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:15:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] 6hp Associated Message-ID: <207.675e54f.3023df6f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2005 11:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: << It's been a good day, >> JB Sounds like it has been a great day!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Aug 4 15:13:10 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:13:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear Message-ID: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 15:16:20 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:16:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] All's well that ends well Message-ID: <42F293B4.5060205@earthlink.net> Hi all, The "club bullshit" topic brought a lot of comments and again I thank all of you. This is a follow up on the topic as I believe all of you deserve to know. I received an e-mail from the VP today. He checked with our insurance agent and cleared up many items. The show I mentioned will go on with club authorization and liability coverage. The board will take up the issue of what shows will be authorized and try to set policy on the issue. I don't think the issue has been addressed before. The board meetings are open to all members, and I have attended as a spectator in the past. As a new member I felt I should stay in the background for a time. I will put pen to pad and write out my thoughts, ideas, and suggestions regarding members putting shows together. I will present them to the board for discussion. Compromise is part of policy and I am well aware of that. I look forward to helping the club improve and quite happy that one of my complaints will be addressed. The show will go on and I will attend. I'll get to meet members from the eastern part of the state, and make new contacts. Life is good. Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado Enjoying the cool weather and the much needed soaking rain. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 4 15:57:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:57:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <42F29D76.6030401@scrtc.com> Tom, It all depends on the breaks and how they transverse the gear, but I see no reason it couldn't be welded. I fixed one that was in 2 pieces a few years ago. I took a large clamp (like a hose clamp except it went around a 8 inch rubber boot) and clamped the pieces together. I then took a die grinder and v'ed the cracks. I then preheated with a torch over the entire gear, being careful not to overheat one particular area. I don't know how hot I got it but a drop of water would sizzle good. I then electric welded the cracks with Palco 808 rods. After cooling I took the band off and it worked fine. There was no gear noise out of the ordinary. A 2 piece repair might be easier than a 3 piece repair like you need. But, I'd give it a try before having a new gear made. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Tom Dunlap wrote: >I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dncetz at watchtv.net Thu Aug 4 16:00:32 2005 From: dncetz at watchtv.net (Doug Etzkorn) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:00:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There Message-ID: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Dave, Connie and I will be attending the dinner at the Back Forty and look forward to being with your group. I enjoy reading the web site news but not really a big e-mailer myself. I will try to answer your questions as the small engine placement director. Weather permitting, the fairgrounds open at 5:00 P.M. Indiana time, no prior roping off. Many new changes this year, I hope they will work. Doug Etzkorn, Wapakoneta, OH Tri-State Engine Director From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 16:04:25 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:04:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> Hi Tom, My humble opinion is toast. If this is a stationary engine the inertia of the flywheels will keep the engine rotating. If the gear breaks it could send shrapnel that could harm folks. That is worst case. Broken parts can also damage other parts when they fly to hell. Always think safety. Jeff Allen Tom Dunlap wrote: >I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 16:26:43 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:26:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] All's well that ends well Message-ID: <1ef.4146aa19.3023fe33@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:29:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado Enjoying the cool weather and the much needed soaking rain. >> 102.9 on the carport this evening and the grass crunches under feet from lack of rain! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 16:31:55 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:31:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear Message-ID: <200.714dd11.3023ff6b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:29:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tdunlap at satx.rr.com writes: << I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >> Tom Would it be possible to cross drill and tap the three pieces together before welding? I would think that it could be welded by the right person anyhow. Prior to doing anything, fit it together and make a template of it just in case you have to make a new one. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 4 16:33:04 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:33:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F2A5B0.4070404@scrtc.com> Jeff, I agree that safety is always a concern. But, if the repair is done right, it will hold. If someone doesn't have confidence in their welding, don't do it. Luckily I grew up working in my Dad's machine shop (I've probably burned hundreds of pounds of rods just "playing"). With welding, practice is probably 90% of the ability to do it and I've had a bunch of it. The gear I repaired is still working. But, you bring up an interesting thought. All of us have purchased or traded for old iron that has been painted and some of it "slicked up". In many and most cases, we don't know what's under that paint. Maybe no repair, maybe a major one (what if a flywheel has had a major repair?). If we are unsure, should we take all the paint off to fully check it for safety's sake? (I guess this is why I like to get them rusty) Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Tom, > > My humble opinion is toast. If this is a stationary engine the inertia > of the flywheels will keep the engine rotating. If the gear breaks it > could send shrapnel that could harm folks. That is worst case. Broken > parts can also damage other parts when they fly to hell. Always think > safety. > > Jeff Allen > > Tom Dunlap wrote: > >> I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 >> pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 4 16:47:36 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:47:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <032b01c5994e$e72975c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A good welder can do amazing things. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 4 17:06:18 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear Message-ID: <20050804.170618.448.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tom. Anything can be welded, how successfully is another story. Got a picture? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:13:10 -0500 "Tom Dunlap" writes: > I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 > pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 4 16:52:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:52:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <036901c59953$19d32350$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Further to, a new gear bored out to act as a band will solve the further breaking and retain the cam if is part of the casting. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] broken cam gear > Hi Tom, > > My humble opinion is toast. If this is a stationary engine the inertia of > the flywheels will keep the engine rotating. If the gear breaks it could > send shrapnel that could harm folks. That is worst case. Broken parts can > also damage other parts when they fly to hell. Always think safety. > > Jeff Allen > > Tom Dunlap wrote: > >>I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces >>can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Aug 4 18:03:57 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:03:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> <42F29D76.6030401@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006c01c59959$8f360b70$546ea618@pengy> I might be able to make you a new one if the old one can't be repaired. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] broken cam gear > Tom, > > It all depends on the breaks and how they transverse the gear, but I > see no reason it couldn't be welded. I fixed one that was in 2 pieces a > few years ago. I took a large clamp (like a hose clamp except it went > around a 8 inch rubber boot) and clamped the pieces together. I then took > a die grinder and v'ed the cracks. I then preheated with a torch over the > entire gear, being careful not to overheat one particular area. I don't > know how hot I got it but a drop of water would sizzle good. I then > electric welded the cracks with Palco 808 rods. After cooling I took the > band off and it worked fine. There was no gear noise out of the ordinary. > A 2 piece repair might be easier than a 3 piece repair like you need. > But, I'd give it a try before having a new gear made. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Tom Dunlap wrote: > >>I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces >>can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From reb at apex.net Thu Aug 4 18:12:26 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:12:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <005f01c5995a$bea9e9c0$0202a8c0@Dads> I had the same dilemma a few years back. I welded mine much in the same way Tommy did but for safety sake I decided to replace it, took three years, a bunch of ads and two Portland's but I finally found one and keep the welded one for a "spare". Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Aug 4 19:13:24 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:13:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000001c59963$e0e14980$576f8645@carolina.rr.com> Tom, My brother Steve baked and welded the cam gear for my 6hp Novo. Heck of a good job! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Aug 4 19:19:13 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:19:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c59964$128ae900$576f8645@carolina.rr.com> Tom: My brother Steve baked and welded the cam gear for my 6hp Novo. heck of a good job!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Aug 4 20:00:00 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:00:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Information Wanted -- Gladden Model 40 Engine Message-ID: <19f.391f813c.30243030@aol.com> Hi List, Does anyone on the list have a Gladden Model 40 air cooled engine or operation/maintenance manual? If so, I need a picture of the carburetor/governor linkage. This engine has a Clinton carburetor. The governor arm moves (back and forth) in parallel with the crankshaft, whereas, the carburetor thottle plate shaft rotates in the same plane as the piston/cylinder. However, the distance between the governor arm and the carburetor thottle valve shaft is about 4" to 5" and must detour around the exhaust system. Any help will be appreciated. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Aug 4 20:17:49 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:17:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Message-ID: <9.4951f907.3024345d@aol.com> Hi List, My Wisconsin Model BKN manual arrived. Now, I know what the "D" suffix in the model number indicates. It is to signify that the engine is equipped with a STELLITE valve and seat insert. I am assuming the "M" indicates that this engine is used by the military. The manual also briefly describes the "Radio-Shielded" magneto supplied by Fairbanks Morse. I hope that information might be of help to others who may have a similar model engine. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Aug 5 02:47:30 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:47:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200508050947.j759lqaK048900@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Its an easy job with the right consumable. Probably the best way for most people would be brazing. If its done properly it's a 100 % repair job Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap Sent: Friday, 5 August 2005 6:13 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Fri Aug 5 04:57:54 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:57:54 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <121F874E.58AC1A20.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c599b4$eac26aa0$8284dccb@oemcomputer> Yes Peter and it looks good but is it the original colour?There was even an article in GEM some years ago about Nonpareils being blue.Outside of this discussion group it is common knowledge that they are blue. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:57 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > hey Ed > Can't you remember seeing my 4hp in red and green > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 5 06:12:30 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:12:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine Chat on Skype Message-ID: <000701c599bf$572ac070$fa4c1152@no1> I have noticed a few mentions of members saying they are changing to Broadband or DSL. I thought it might be a good time for a reminder for people with broadband to download Skype from http://www.skype.com/download/ & joining us in our engine chats. All you need is a free download of the program & a cheap headset/microphone. There are about 12 from this group already talking to each other for free. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Aug 5 08:14:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: by any chance does it resemble this one? http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/67548297fhkPxk http://community.webshots.com/photo/67549454/67549454jEumdi RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Aug 6 00:25:21 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:25:21 Subject: [SEL] Doug Prescott In-Reply-To: <200508051000.j75A0CrQ016877@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050806002521.009ff470@127.0.0.1> Hi List Very sad news is that Doug Prescott passed away last night. 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Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From dscott at kooee.com.au Fri Aug 5 15:40:47 2005 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (dscott at kooee.com.au) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:40:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test only Message-ID: <001601c59a0e$c0a42650$0201a8c0@de384b0d0c5cc4> From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 5 16:13:30 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:13:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron Wiley Message-ID: <000d01c59a13$4f48bbb0$209681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one in Australia know if Ron Wiley of Victor Harbour South Australia has an email address. Thanks. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 18:38:43 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:38:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There In-Reply-To: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> References: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, Great news. I've got you down for two! I do need to talk to you about the SEL area placement this year. From what I can see we will still be OK in the spot we have occupied for the last 6 years. Is that correct? Also, I'd like to talk with you about future years. OFES , the spark plug collectors etc. do NOT need to get to Portland on Friday to "claim" the land that they need. I'd like the same courtesy extended to the SEL. How do I go about requesting that? Dave At 07:00 PM 8/4/2005, you wrote: >Dave, >Connie and I will be attending the dinner at the Back Forty and look >forward to being with your group. I enjoy reading the web site news but >not really a big e-mailer myself. I will try to answer your questions as >the small engine placement director. >Weather permitting, the fairgrounds open at 5:00 P.M. Indiana time, no >prior roping off. Many new changes this year, I hope they will work. >Doug Etzkorn, Wapakoneta, OH >Tri-State Engine Director From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Aug 5 09:25:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:25:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Flookburgh Vintage pictures References: <000d01c59935$94b82660$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Very nice Dave!! Just yesterday I was mowing a lawn next to a hedge and wondered why no one has came up with a tractor mounted hedge trimmer...and here you come up with one. Looks pretty dry there also. later and thanks RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Flookburgh Vintage pictures > I took these pictures last weekend on the edge of the English lake > District. > A superb show & I took the pictures to show a lot of the general show, > not just the engines. See > http://community.webshots.com/album/412326992LEwYdL > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 19:04:43 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:04:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Land GRAB Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805215430.040fe190@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The Portland Land Grab (Friday @ 5:00) has now been arranged! Brandi Clark (Leroy's daughter) has agreed to sit at the site for 10 hours (or so) and then drive in the posts at 5:00. Brandi will have the help of several others whom Leroy has commandeered. We will be in the same place as last year unless the Directors have decided that it will be a tractor area. I'm trying to contact Doug to ascertain if we are OK in the area we have had for the past 6 years. If this area has been turned into a tractor area then the SEL area will be set up in the new engine area. In any event, find the SEL area when you pull into Portland and set up (or just hang out) with the List! Dave PS, The ATIS dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Fri Aug 5 19:30:40 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:30:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <51741DB6.26B19468.04B7CB00@aol.com> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of rust as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 5 19:34:52 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:34:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> References: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42F421CC.7070904@scrtc.com> Dave, Do we need to do anything different this year in terms of where we park, etc? I'll be bringing a trailer with a big hunk of iron on it and wondered if I'd be able to park on the asphalt as I've done in the past. I know several changes are in store this year as to engine and tractor placement. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, > Great news. I've got you down for two! I do need to talk to > you about the SEL area placement this year. From what I can see we > will still be OK in the spot we have occupied for the last 6 years. Is > that correct? Also, I'd like to talk with you about future years. OFES > , the spark plug collectors etc. do NOT need to get to Portland on > Friday to "claim" the land that they need. I'd like the same courtesy > extended to the SEL. How do I go about requesting that? > Dave > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 5 19:48:49 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:48:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Land GRAB In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805215430.040fe190@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805215430.040fe190@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42F42511.2040701@scrtc.com> Dave, I sent my prior email before this one arrived. You've answered my questions! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > The Portland Land Grab (Friday @ 5:00) has now been arranged! > Brandi Clark (Leroy's daughter) has agreed to sit at the site for 10 > hours (or so) and then drive in the posts at 5:00. Brandi will have > the help of several others whom Leroy has commandeered. We will be in > the same place as last year unless the Directors have decided that it > will be a tractor area. I'm trying to contact Doug to ascertain if we > are OK in the area we have had for the past 6 years. If this area has > been turned into a tractor area then the SEL area will be set up in > the new engine area. In any event, find the SEL area when you pull > into Portland and set up (or just hang out) with the List! > Dave > PS, The ATIS dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 19:49:35 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:49:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There In-Reply-To: <42F421CC.7070904@scrtc.com> References: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> <42F421CC.7070904@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805224611.041132c0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Sure hope that it will be the same as the last 6 years. I'm still trying to get in contact with Doug to determine that it will be. Dave At 10:34 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > Do we need to do anything different this year in terms of where we > park, etc? I'll be bringing a trailer with a big hunk of iron on it and > wondered if I'd be able to park on the asphalt as I've done in the > past. I know several changes are in store this year as to engine and > tractor placement. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>Hi Doug, >> Great news. I've got you down for two! I do need to talk to you >> about the SEL area placement this year. From what I can see we will >> still be OK in the spot we have occupied for the last 6 years. Is that >> correct? Also, I'd like to talk with you about future years. OFES , the >> spark plug collectors etc. do NOT need to get to Portland on Friday to >> "claim" the land that they need. I'd like the same courtesy extended to >> the SEL. How do I go about requesting that? >> Dave >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 20:36:27 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:36:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Area at Portland Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805232538.0414be28@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Doug just called and we talked for some time about the SEL area at Portland. To make a long story short we will be in the same place as we have been for the past 6 years. It's still an engine area and Brandi will be setting it up for us. Doug tells me that he has some posts in concrete buckets that we can use on the blacktop (but so does Leroy.) Last year we had to pay $75.00 for the 4 three-eights inch holes that we drilled into the blacktop in order to place the posts in the blacktop! (Hell, that's less than $25.00 per hole, so I figured that that's not too bad!) Dave PS, The ATIS/SEL dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 5 21:33:38 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:33:38 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= In-Reply-To: <51741DB6.26B19468.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Peter, I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of rust as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 00:54:40 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:54:40 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would have trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it and it will go away. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hi Peter, > I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > > yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint > intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of rust > as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Aug 6 01:53:28 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:53:28 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> Hey Edd maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its own sump ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > have > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it and > it will go away. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Hi Peter, >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >> rust >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >> >> -- >> Woody >> Peter Woodmore >> Moorebank >> NSW Australia >> peterwoodmore at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 05:03:40 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:03:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Area at Portland In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805232538.0414be28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Thank you Dave, Leroy, and Brandi for all your work!! It is very much appreciated! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi All, > Doug just called and we talked for some time about the SEL area at >Portland. To make a long story short we will be in the same place as we >have been for the past 6 years. It's still an engine area and Brandi will >be setting it up for us. Doug tells me that he has some posts in concrete >buckets that we can use on the blacktop (but so does Leroy.) Last year we >had to pay $75.00 for the 4 three-eights inch holes that we drilled into >the blacktop in order to place the posts in the blacktop! (Hell, that's >less than $25.00 per hole, so I figured that that's not too bad!) > Dave >PS, The ATIS/SEL dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sat Aug 6 05:21:23 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:21:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Aug 6 05:33:47 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:33:47 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> <002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n> Hey Brock What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that covered everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black oil!! Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Edd > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > own > sump ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would >> have >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it >> and >> it will go away. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >>> Hi Peter, >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >>> rust >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >>> >>> -- >>> Woody >>> Peter Woodmore >>> Moorebank >>> NSW Australia >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 6 05:49:47 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:49:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Area at Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F4B1EB.90804@scrtc.com> Amen to that Luke! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Thank you Dave, Leroy, and Brandi for all your work!! It is very much > appreciated! > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > From ihcboggs at jayco.net Sat Aug 6 05:52:49 2005 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne Boggs) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:52:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC M Engines Message-ID: <000e01c59a85$c3e72340$285428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hi. If anyone could help, I asked for some info on Understrikes. The guy (I don't remember his name) sent me a manual. I was hoping to find out who he is. I will be at Portland this year with the "Girls" and wanted to invite him down to see display. (Or anyone who wants to) Hopefully we're set up at the same place like always. Thanks DeWayne & Casey From mullt at att.net Sat Aug 6 05:58:08 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:58:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books Message-ID: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. Tom in St. Louis From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 06:23:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:23:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books In-Reply-To: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605080606235805de92@mail.gmail.com> On 8/6/05, mullt at att.net wrote: > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > > Tom in St. Louis I always enjoy reading Fred Colvin's books, and have a few in the library at home. he did a fair number of machine tool books along with aircraft maintenance stuff, and the books are fairly available on the internet. He writes well and is not prone to complicated prose. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 06:24:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:24:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books In-Reply-To: <6f60251605080606235805de92@mail.gmail.com> References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> <6f60251605080606235805de92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605080606246253e760@mail.gmail.com> On 8/6/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8/6/05, mullt at att.net wrote: > > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > > > > Tom in St. Louis > > I always enjoy reading Fred Colvin's books, and have a few in the > library at home. he did a fair number of machine tool books along with > aircraft maintenance stuff, and the books are fairly available on the > internet. He writes well and is not prone to complicated prose. > > Peter Heres a url: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bx=off&sts=t&ds=30&bi=0&an=Fred+Colvin&sortby=2 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Aug 6 06:33:56 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:33:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <010e01c59a8b$7efa6d40$546ea618@pengy> Try www.lindsaybks.com Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop > techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > > Tom in St. Louis > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 6 06:45:54 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:45:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <005601c59a8d$2bf6d4b0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > Tom in St. Louis Hi Tom, Do you have broadband or dsl? I can send you the 26th Machinery Handbook to read on your computer but it is 650 MB & too big for a dial up download. Let me know if you want it. (Free!) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 07:08:35 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:08:35 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> <002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000f01c59a90$56c5d120$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Yeh!Just tried to buy that engine and give opec a run for there money. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Edd > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its own > sump ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > > have > > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it and > > it will go away. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > > >> Hi Peter, > >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> Leichhardt NSW > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint > >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of > >> rust > >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > >> > >> -- > >> Woody > >> Peter Woodmore > >> Moorebank > >> NSW Australia > >> peterwoodmore at aol.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 07:09:26 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:09:26 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c59a90$7548ca80$a284dccb@oemcomputer> You been next to that engine two. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:21 Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 07:12:07 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:12:07 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> <000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n> Message-ID: <001d01c59a90$d51c58a0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Did you here that Brock has fixed his Gilson.It now has COMPRESSION and he has to stop it from time to time and grease the rod bearing as there is no wast oil blown out the back to keep it lubricated. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:33 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Brock > What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that covered > everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black oil!! > Mick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > Hey Edd > > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > > own > > sump ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "edd payne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > > >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > >> have > >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it > >> and > >> it will go away. > >> EDD PAYNE > >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >> 0263742387 > >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > >> > >> > >>> Hi Peter, > >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > >>> > >>> Patrick M Livingstone > >>> Leichhardt NSW > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> > >>> > >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint > >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of > >>> rust > >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Woody > >>> Peter Woodmore > >>> Moorebank > >>> NSW Australia > >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 6 10:01:24 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:01:24 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions_now_oil_slingi?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ng?= In-Reply-To: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050806170120.RZHQ21584.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here is my poor old No.1 Eclipse doing what it does best, chucking oil: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/youngpics/yeclipse%26model.JPG Note the dark marks on the grass either side of the engine :) People ask not to set up next to it. At the National Brock's Jelbart got the blame for raining oil on everything but I think it was actually the Hornsby-Akroyd that was responsible. It left some impressive spots on anyone who had been near it. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sat Aug 6 10:49:12 2005 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:49:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity Auction Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508061349120234.2AB7A7C5@heavyiron.atis.net> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/6/2005 at 12:51 PM D8RMAN at aol.com wrote: >The last day to vote is August 15, 2005 so get your vote in now at >_http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php_ >(http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php) . >_______________________________________________ >AT mailing list >http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at Also remember - Nominations is still open until the end of the weekend! Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 6 12:26:07 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:26:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity Auction Voting References: <200508061349120234.2AB7A7C5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000e01c59abc$b2fc5e60$fa4c1152@no1> Hi Spencer, how do you access this page. I cannot log in using the name & password that gets me into the ATIS engine pages? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity Auction Voting > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > On 8/6/2005 at 12:51 PM D8RMAN at aol.com wrote: > >The last day to vote is August 15, 2005 so get your vote in now at > >_http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php_ > >(http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php) . > >_______________________________________________ > >AT mailing list > >http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > > Also remember - Nominations is still open until the end of the weekend! > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Aug 6 15:01:53 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:01:53 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <014401c59ad2$755dac10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A lot of fast learners around Pete!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 16:08:15 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <6f60251605080606246253e760@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050806230815.3588.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, If I remember correctly (IIRC) a while back someone showed a link to a vise type lacing toll and it was mentioned that there were two other types with handles also. This could have been over on Jim's list. I have one of the vise ones, One with two handles that you move side-to-side and one with two handles that you pull forward. Neither of these ones with handles have a makers name on it. How many different types of hand operated lacing machines do y'all have or know about? Of the three,, I like most the one with two handles that are pulled forward. I have seen more of the type with two handles that move side-to-side. Mine like that have a nice tag on it, but it just says to keep it oiled,,,,, Go figure,, Why didn't they put their name on the tag?? Maybe one company made them and lots of different companies put their sticker on them and sold them???? I am getting ready to take at least one to the Buckley show and offer to lace belts for folks. I plan on doing this every year from now on and folks will learn in time that I am there. Does anyone know who made these machines? TIA, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 16:43:22 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <20050806234322.1592.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good thinking Paul, I have a 6hp FBM Z that will someday be hooked to a line shaft here. It is open crancked and throttle governed. I will build a lean-to shed on the other end of my shop and put the engine out there. I want the steady speed of the TG and the shed addition is to protect the open crank. I don't want the surge from a hit-n-miss if I get my horizontal milling machine loosened up and working. --- Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I agree it would look nicest to use a hit-n-miss - but in a machine shop > where you need a steady speed and there is a lot of crud flying around, > I'd be thinking an enclosed throttle governed engine - maybe even a > diesel would be the way to go. You'd get a nice steady speed and the > engine would be immune from swarf and chips etc. > > Paul > > Curt wrote: > > Rick, > > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > > Curt > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Aug 6 18:09:05 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:09:05 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin><000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n> <001d01c59a90$d51c58a0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001201c59aec$9b7606d0$5f11fea9@merlin> yeah thats a basted now i have to oil it now it use to be self oiling ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Did you here that Brock has fixed his Gilson.It now has COMPRESSION and he > has to stop it from time to time and grease the rod bearing as there is no > wast oil blown out the back to keep it lubricated. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick Christie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:33 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Hey Brock >> What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that >> covered >> everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black > oil!! >> Mick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brock Summerfield" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >> > Hey Edd >> > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its >> > own >> > sump ? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "edd payne" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> > >> > >> >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he >> >> would >> >> have >> >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it >> >> and >> >> it will go away. >> >> EDD PAYNE >> >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> >> 0263742387 >> >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >> >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Peter, >> >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >> >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >> >>> >> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >> >>> Leichhardt NSW >> >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original > paint >> >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >> >>> rust >> >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Woody >> >>> Peter Woodmore >> >>> Moorebank >> >>> NSW Australia >> >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SEL mailing list >> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 6 07:32:13 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:32:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books In-Reply-To: <005601c59a8d$2bf6d4b0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <20050806143213.30825.qmail@web25509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Dave I have tried Steve W's link to the downloadable version on numerous attempts, but without success. Would you be able to include me when you start uploading? Many thanks in anticipation. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Dave Croft wrote: > I can send you the 26th Machinery Handbook to read on your computer but it is 650 MB & too big > for a dial up download. > Let me know if you want it. (Free!) ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Aug 6 20:11:02 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 03:11:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net><02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961><2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> I havent a clue how this happened Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > Hi Bill, > > He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And > since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who > report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? >> >> Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >> ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 >> >> Bill >> >> > what club, what show, what website? >> > I have not learned to read minds yet >> > help! >> > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Aug 6 20:16:44 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:16:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools Message-ID: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Alan. I have both the one you use in a vise (Clipper Belt Lacer Co. Vise laser No.1-6)and one with two handles that spread apart, also made by clipper. It has three tags, first says; important oil often do, do lacing in center of press, No.3-----6in. No163765. The second says; Clipper Belt Lacer, a patent number and Manufactured by Clipper Belt Lacer, Grand........ cant read the rest. Third tag says; Laurence Belting Co. distributors, manufacturers 111 Chambers St. N? could be a Y for New York. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Alan Bowen writes: > > Howdy Folks, .................... > How many different types of hand operated lacing machines do y'all > have or know about? > Of the three,, I like most the one with two handles that are pulled > forward. .................... > Maybe one company made them and lots of different companies put > their sticker on them and sold > them???? > > I am getting ready to take at least one to the Buckley show and > offer to lace belts for folks. I > plan on doing this every year from now on and folks will learn in > time that I am there. > > Does anyone know who made these machines? > > TIA, > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Aug 6 20:39:54 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:39:54 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin><000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n><001d01c59a90$d51c58a0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> <001201c59aec$9b7606d0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <001e01c59b01$bb63f550$92ad57ca@n> Is a shame brock as most gilsons dont have pressure fed big end oiling systems! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > yeah thats a basted now i have to oil it now it use to be self oiling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Did you here that Brock has fixed his Gilson.It now has COMPRESSION and >> he >> has to stop it from time to time and grease the rod bearing as there is >> no >> wast oil blown out the back to keep it lubricated. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mick Christie" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:33 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >>> Hey Brock >>> What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that >>> covered >>> everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black >> oil!! >>> Mick >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brock Summerfield" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >>> >>> >>> > Hey Edd >>> > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in >>> > its >>> > own >>> > sump ? >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "edd payne" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he >>> >> would >>> >> have >>> >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to >>> >> it >>> >> and >>> >> it will go away. >>> >> EDD PAYNE >>> >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>> >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>> >> 0263742387 >>> >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >>> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>> >> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >>> >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >>> >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original >> paint >>> >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile >>> >>> of >>> >>> rust >>> >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Woody >>> >>> Peter Woodmore >>> >>> Moorebank >>> >>> NSW Australia >>> >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> SEL mailing list >>> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat Aug 6 23:48:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:48:53 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> 94985309 Message-ID: <005501c59b1c$1362d180$0301a8c0@Cam> Hey Ed does that mean I can park a little closer to Brock now. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Yeh!Just tried to buy that engine and give opec a run for there money. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Hey Edd >> maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > own >> sump ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >> > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would >> > have >> > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it > and >> > it will go away. >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >> > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> > >> > >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >> >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >> >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> >> Leichhardt NSW >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original >> >> paint >> >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >> >> rust >> >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Woody >> >> Peter Woodmore >> >> Moorebank >> >> NSW Australia >> >> peterwoodmore at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Sun Aug 7 00:37:49 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:37:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report Message-ID: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Hi everyone, due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will place in my clubs news upcomming letter. I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and mine alone. The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why every club cant do this) Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 Misson Statement "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" Membership May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members Presidents report " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with associations in other hobby interests. Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of appreciation for there work with the Association. Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a magazine John Stanley President" Secretarys Report The NHMA As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. Insurance Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to the Safety Guidelines. Safety Guidelines At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the Committee member nearest you. The Constitution A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested amendments 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the committee 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again for comment 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the final draft consitution be adopted. When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified Ken Bock Secretary Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, with a real possibility that it would be not available. B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the nominated members. *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per member.*** _________End of Annual Report_______________ I hope this is some use to you? Cheers, Adam From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 7 02:17:47 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:17:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <03b401c59b30$e1d31610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Adam. Thanks for putting this up. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats > going on > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being > unobtainable > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report > which we will > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct > relationship with > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also > the > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations > are mine and > mine alone. > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all > NHMA materials > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and > give a report > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no > reason why > every club cant do this) > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the > Australian hobby and > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the > information. > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > Misson Statement > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a > small number of > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a > common > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old > stationary > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > Membership > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > Presidents report > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to > introduce > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The > major > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA > becomes more > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people > with similar > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, > as with > associations in other hobby interests. > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity > badges, are > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our > shirts, and trust > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our > exhibits where we > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates > of of > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs > and also a > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the > association and we > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a > positive reflection > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on > their > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. > Recognition > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long > over due. > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final > acceptance > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be > operational by June > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the > communication with > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I > request that > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, > via the club > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central > operation to > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in > the form of a > magazine > > John Stanley > President" > > Secretarys Report > > The NHMA > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and > almost 8000 > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt > the > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates > is one reason > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group > is growing > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar > interests, similar > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point > where basic > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial > to all: > >>IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over >>thorughly at a > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the > club can not > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, > preferable under > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the > committee of > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the > committee member > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, > who will > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > >> Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is > a two way > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > Insurance > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview > of the > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the > policy offered, > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the > cost to members. > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety > guidelines to > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be > paid out on, > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid > on, then the > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the > motor > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making > any changes to > the Safety Guidelines. > > Safety Guidelines > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I > indicated above > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's > communication with the > Committee member nearest you. > > The Constitution > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee > of > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done > this way > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some > suggested > amendments > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to > the > committee > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member > clubs, again > for comment > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the > AGM that the > final draft consitution be adopted. > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution > will also be > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > Ken Bock > Secretary > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These > should be looked > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do > not have these > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a > possibility that > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should > this happen > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance > will increase, > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and > drinks, > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to > be recorded > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that > records the > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to > consider. > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to > the > nominated members. > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted > for 2005/06, > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 > per > member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Aug 7 05:14:54 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:14:54 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin>94985309 <005501c59b1c$1362d180$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <002b01c59b49$9f99c5a0$a484dccb@oemcomputer> Not to close Cam.He needs SOME room to walk between them. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:48 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Ed does that mean I can park a little closer to Brock now. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > Yeh!Just tried to buy that engine and give opec a run for there money. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brock Summerfield" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > > >> Hey Edd > >> maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > > own > >> sump ? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "edd payne" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > >> > >> > >> > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > >> > have > >> > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it > > and > >> > it will go away. > >> > EDD PAYNE > >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >> > 0263742387 > >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > >> > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi Peter, > >> >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > >> >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > >> >> > >> >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> >> Leichhardt NSW > >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original > >> >> paint > >> >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of > >> >> rust > >> >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Woody > >> >> Peter Woodmore > >> >> Moorebank > >> >> NSW Australia > >> >> peterwoodmore at aol.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Aug 7 05:32:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:32:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln Message-ID: G'day all; Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to Keith's: http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and the required pressure/volume. Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. Appreciate any advise! RickinMt. PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 7 06:03:56 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20050807130356.43752.qmail@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the reply, Ron!!! Are the other two tags metal like the one that Has the oil often and center the belt info? Can you please tell me where they are on the lacer? I have never seen another one like my favorite with the two handles that are pulled forward. I think it is a lot nicer to use. Alan Bowen --- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Alan. > I have both the one you use in a vise (Clipper Belt Lacer Co. Vise laser > No.1-6)and one with two handles that spread apart, also made by clipper. > It has three tags, first says; important oil often do, do lacing in > center of press, No.3-----6in. No163765. The second says; Clipper Belt > Lacer, a patent number and Manufactured by Clipper Belt Lacer, > Grand........ cant read the rest. Third tag says; Laurence Belting Co. > distributors, manufacturers 111 Chambers St. N? could be a Y for New > York. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Alan Bowen > writes: > > > > Howdy Folks, > .................... > > How many different types of hand operated lacing machines do y'all > > have or know about? > > Of the three,, I like most the one with two handles that are pulled > > forward. > .................... > > Maybe one company made them and lots of different companies put > > their sticker on them and sold > > them???? > > > > I am getting ready to take at least one to the Buckley show and > > offer to lace belts for folks. I > > plan on doing this every year from now on and folks will learn in > > time that I am there. > > > > Does anyone know who made these machines? > > > > TIA, > > Alan Bowen > > Williamsburg, Michigan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 7 06:26:50 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:26:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4e6cdf6ef7e1cceb949fd579b8b68589@chartertn.net> > It has three tags, first says; important oil often do, Sounds like Yoda built Clipper lacers. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Aug 7 12:03:05 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:03:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <00b801c59b82$b1055e60$46b9869d@ibm22761389857> What is NHMA? Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 03:37 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and > mine alone. > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why > every club cant do this) > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > Misson Statement > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > Membership > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > Presidents report > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with > associations in other hobby interests. > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a > magazine > > John Stanley > President" > > Secretarys Report > > The NHMA > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: > > >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > Insurance > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to > the Safety Guidelines. > > Safety Guidelines > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the > Committee member nearest you. > > The Constitution > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested > amendments > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the > committee > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again > for comment > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the > final draft consitution be adopted. > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > Ken Bock > Secretary > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the > nominated members. > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per > member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 16:55:17 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:55:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report In-Reply-To: <00b801c59b82$b1055e60$46b9869d@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <001201c59bab$7c0c2210$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Something we hope never invades the United States! Chuck Emsweller Rushville, In -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Blacksmith Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 2:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report What is NHMA? Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 03:37 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and > mine alone. > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why > every club cant do this) > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > Misson Statement > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > Membership > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > Presidents report > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with > associations in other hobby interests. > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a > magazine > > John Stanley > President" > > Secretarys Report > > The NHMA > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: > > >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > Insurance > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to > the Safety Guidelines. > > Safety Guidelines > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the > Committee member nearest you. > > The Constitution > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested > amendments > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the > committee > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again > for comment > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the > final draft consitution be adopted. > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > Ken Bock > Secretary > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the > nominated members. > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per > member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Aug 7 17:02:13 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:02:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> <00b801c59b82$b1055e60$46b9869d@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <001a01c59bac$6e03a520$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> National Historical Machinery Association. Here in OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blacksmith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > What is NHMA? > > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil > Bowling Green, Ohio > WB8NQW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Cottrill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 03:37 > Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats > going on > > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being > unobtainable > > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report > which we will > > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct > relationship with > > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also > the > > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations > are mine and > > mine alone. > > > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all > NHMA materials > > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and > give a report > > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no > reason why > > every club cant do this) > > > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the > Australian hobby and > > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the > information. > > > > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > > > Misson Statement > > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a > small number of > > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a > common > > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old > stationary > > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > > > Membership > > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > > > Presidents report > > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to > introduce > > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The > major > > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA > becomes more > > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people > with similar > > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, > as with > > associations in other hobby interests. > > > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity > badges, are > > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our > shirts, and trust > > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our > exhibits where we > > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates > of of > > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs > and also a > > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the > association and we > > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a > positive reflection > > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on > their > > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. > Recognition > > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long > over due. > > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final > acceptance > > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be > operational by June > > > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the > communication with > > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I > request that > > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, > via the club > > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central > operation to > > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in > the form of a > > magazine > > > > John Stanley > > President" > > > > Secretarys Report > > > > The NHMA > > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and > almost 8000 > > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt > the > > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates > is one reason > > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group > is growing > > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar > interests, similar > > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point > where basic > > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial > to all: > > > > >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over > thorughly at a > > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the > club can not > > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, > preferable under > > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the > committee of > > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the > committee member > > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, > who will > > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > > > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is > a two way > > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > > > Insurance > > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview > of the > > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the > policy offered, > > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the > cost to members. > > > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety > guidelines to > > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be > paid out on, > > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid > on, then the > > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the > motor > > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making > any changes to > > the Safety Guidelines. > > > > Safety Guidelines > > > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I > indicated above > > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's > communication with the > > Committee member nearest you. > > > > The Constitution > > > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee > of > > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done > this way > > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some > suggested > > amendments > > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to > the > > committee > > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member > clubs, again > > for comment > > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the > AGM that the > > final draft consitution be adopted. > > > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution > will also be > > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > > > Ken Bock > > Secretary > > > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These > should be looked > > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do > not have these > > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a > possibility that > > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should > this happen > > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance > will increase, > > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and > drinks, > > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to > be recorded > > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that > records the > > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to > consider. > > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to > the > > nominated members. > > > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted > for 2005/06, > > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 > per > > member.*** > > > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > > > Cheers, > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 17:23:13 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:23:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics Message-ID: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> Hi all, Limon Heritage Days is a one day local event in Eastern Colorado. Our club is invited to show there each year. Free lunch for showing, and a free motel if need be. I made the trek out east again on Saturday. Looked much the same as the week before as I traveled to and from another show. I arrived about noon, and it's a small event compared to Bird City the week before. There were no folks at the small display of engines, but it was time for lunch. I wandered down to the lunch line cause I was ready for some food. Six bucks bought a fine feed of barbeque beef sandwich with beans, slaw, watermelon, and ice tea. I had my club cap on and it brought up conversation as I ate. Seems the two couples sitting next and across from me attended because they saw the info on the web site. Had a nice chat and I think two new members. One for sure as he collects stationary engines and wants to show them. I finished my lunch and headed back to the engine area. I found a few club members there and we had a nice chat. Laugh, flame me, or joke all you want. There were five engines, and one model at the show and tractors in another area. It was a great time for me. One member asked why I didn't bring anything, and I told him all I had was the Maytag right now. Robert looked up and smiled and said "I didn't know Maytag made engines". Hoppy looked over and told me to ignore him and bring whatever I have next year. We all had a good laugh, and I will be there next year to show. Nice little one day easy trip event. There is a fine railroad museum and the Limon Heritage Museum on the grounds and I spent a lot of time taking those in. Snapped up a lot of pictures for such a small show, and they are now online if you care to look. The Emerson Brandingham engine is worth a look, as is the 1/4 scale Rider Ericsson Hot Air Pumping Engine. Tractors, farm equipment, and other stuff if you care to look. http://frapa.us/Limon05/Limon05.html Enjoy! I know I did Jeff Allen P.S. If the sixth tractor picture comes up wrong let me know. 45 minutes of work and that damn 52 McCormick still don't show right for me. It seems to want to be a Farmall so I'll just remove it. From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 17:48:40 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:48:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report In-Reply-To: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <42F6ABE8.4030807@earthlink.net> Hi Adam, Thanks for sharing. My feeling is you have a serious problem there, and it's not getting better. Arnie Fero brought it up some time ago, and to date there have been no answers. How many accidents/incidents have occurred that required payment on insurance? Still no answer, but the rates are going up. The day that the short one can't go behind the rope, ride and steer a steam tractor, and ride the pulling sled will be the end for me. Hope it never gets up here. Best of luck getting some common sense back in your part of the world. Jeff Allen Adam Cottrill wrote: >Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on >with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable >by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will >place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > >I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with >the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the >NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and >mine alone. > >The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials >onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report >at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why >every club cant do this) > >Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and >members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. > > >NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > >Misson Statement >"The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of >clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common >interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary >engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > >Membership >May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members >May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > >Presidents report >" At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce >innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major >decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more >to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar >interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with >associations in other hobby interests. > >Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are >wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust >that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we >rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > >Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of >appreciation for there work with the Association. > >Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a >submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > >The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we >trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection >to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their >letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition >of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > >The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. >This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance >by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > >Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June > >Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with >member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that >all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club >secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > >For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to >state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a >magazine > >John Stanley >President" > >Secretarys Report > >The NHMA >As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 >members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the >associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason >clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing >because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar >problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic >communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > >With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: > > > >>IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a >> >> >club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not >resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under >a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of >management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member >cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will >bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > >>Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in >> >> >communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way >function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > >Insurance >Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the >policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, >the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. > >Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to >a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, >then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the >insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor >vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > >The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to >the Safety Guidelines. > >Safety Guidelines > >At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above >this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the >Committee member nearest you. > >The Constitution > >A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of >management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way >1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested >amendments >2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations >3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the >committee >4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again >for comment >5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the >final draft consitution be adopted. > >When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be >forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > >Ken Bock >Secretary > >Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > >A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked >upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these >Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that >more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen >and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, >with a real possibility that it would be not available. > >B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, >cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded >as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the >hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > >C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. >Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the >nominated members. > >*** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, >when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per >member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > >I hope this is some use to you? > >Cheers, > Adam > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 18:15:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:15:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, That would probably be Grand Rapids, Michigan on the tag. See this web site, second one down: http://www.flexco.com/about/locations.cfm I had to go there a couple years ago to get some lacing material. They had LOTS of it in there. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: rdhaskell at juno.com > >Hi Alan. > The second says; Clipper Belt >Lacer, a patent number and Manufactured by Clipper Belt Lacer, >Grand........ cant read the rest. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sun Aug 7 18:35:07 2005 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:35:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <42F6B6CB.2040101@zoominternet.net> What does NHMA stand for? 'Scuse me for being stupid. Ed From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Aug 8 02:46:25 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:46:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Vintage Machinery - Clearing Sale - Aug 14th at Berrigan, NSW - read on if you care Message-ID: <42F729F1.9090603@steamengine.com.au> So forwarded... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Vintage Machinery - Clearing Sale Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:36:57 +0930 From: Jane Nixon To: Dear Paul, I am writing on behalf of John Dalton of Elders Real Estate in Finley in relation to an Auction and Clearing Sale to be held THIS SUNDAY August 14th at Berrigan, NSW. As there is a lot of Vintage Machinery for sale I thought you and the contacts on your data base might be interested to know that it is on. Is it possible for you to send out a group e-mail to those listed on your website telling them about the sale? If so, the details are: Date: THIS SUNDAY 14th August from 10am. Where: Berrigan NSW. For full details see last weeks Weekly Times (3rd August) or visit www.elders.com.au , go to Livestock and then Clearing Sales and it is under Victoria, or please feel free to contact John Dalton on 0407 549 703. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Jane. ________________________ Jane Nixon Elders 214 Murray St. Finley NSW 2713 P: 03 5883 1400 F: 03 5883 1266 E: jane.nixon at elders.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 7/08/2005 -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 7/08/2005 From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Mon Aug 8 03:34:20 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:34:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 Message-ID: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> Hi Jeff, Thanks for taking the time to write. Im not sure I quite understand your concern. Again please bear with me! Thanks for sharing. My feeling is you have a serious problem there, and it's not getting better. Arnie Fero brought it up some time ago, and to date there have been no answers. How many accidents/incidents have occurred that required payment on insurance? As far as I know there have not been any. (but thats my understanding... there was a tractor that rolled over a little girl a while back im not sure of the outcome of that anyone know?) Still no answer, but therates are going up. The rate has gone from $12 to $13... = $1 per member increase!!! Thats not bad!!! This includes public liability and personal accident The day that the short one can't go behind the rope, ride and steer a steam tractor, and ride the pulling sled will be the end for me. Hope it never gets up here. Best of luck getting some common sense back in your part of the world. The logic behind this is to reduce the risk of an accident occuring (basically so someone doesnt get hurt) and the need for payout or subquent legal actions.... to me this is common sense! Surly you have insurance yourself its the same thing!!! I would suspect you would have insurance on your house and car "just in case". If this is the case and you have your car insured please tell me how its different from the NHMA stuff???? Also reading my report you would have noticed that the NHMA Guidelines are exactly that GUIDELINES they ARE NOT terms of insurance (how many of your house and car policys give GUIDELINES!!! as aposed to TERMS!!) Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen the following would occur. 1. The policy would be totally with drawn 2. The policy as you mentioned would increase in cost 3. The terns of the policy would change It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. However the insurance company looks apon that as for lack of a better term "bad luck" and the pemium will not increase nor will the policy be withdrawn as the insurance company feels the NHMA is a "good risk" I hope this answers some questions for you, as always I am willing to answer to the best of my understanding either here of off list. Kind regards, Adam From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Aug 8 03:59:50 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:59:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <2495DB05.62F8290B.04B7CB00@aol.com> just doing my bit to run the arab oil wells dry -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 8 05:01:40 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:01:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> Message-ID: <053001c59c10$f3c9ddf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I feel it necessary to again point out ,(And this is my main gripe in all of this), That due to the "Rules, Guidelines, whatever" We can no longer use our judgement to allow ' hands on' showing to the young, old or anyone that is not insured by the NHMA at a NHMA event. I thought the object of the showing part of our hobby WAS to 'show , instruct and educate those interested but ignorant in the workings of our equipment. Now surely, if we are able to get through a show without killing outselves, we should be able to be trusted showing a member of the viewing public details inside the enclosures. Will someone please tell me how many insurance claims have been made in Oz where a member of the public has been injured while in a compound nder the guidance of the owner/exhibitor? I really am interestd to know these figures and the details of such cases. Then we could surely come up with a set of 'Guidelines' that allowed us to show things as we used to.( when visitors WERE allowed in under the care of an exhibitor.) This shortsighted approach IS having the effect of keeping potential young people ,etc. from getting involved in the hobby. I know, you have heard it all before but, I still thinkchange is needed. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > Hi Jeff, > Thanks for taking the time to write. Im not sure I quite > understand your concern. Again please bear with me! From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Aug 8 05:43:38 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:43:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> <053001c59c10$f3c9ddf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <016601c59c16$ccf46730$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> You should have changed it years ago Reg. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > I feel it necessary to again point out ,(And this is my main gripe in all of > this), That due to the "Rules, Guidelines, whatever" We can no longer use > our judgement to allow ' hands on' showing to the young, old or anyone that > is not insured by the NHMA at a NHMA event. > I thought the object of the showing part of our hobby WAS to 'show , > instruct and educate those interested but ignorant in the workings of our > equipment. > Now surely, if we are able to get through a show without killing outselves, > we should be able to be trusted showing a member of the viewing public > details inside the enclosures. Will someone please tell me how many > insurance claims have been made in Oz where a member of the public has been > injured while in a compound nder the guidance of the owner/exhibitor? > I really am interestd to know these figures and the details of such cases. > Then we could surely come up with a set of 'Guidelines' that allowed us to > show things as we used to.( when visitors WERE allowed in under the care of > an exhibitor.) > This shortsighted approach IS having the effect of keeping potential young > people ,etc. from getting involved in the hobby. > I know, you have heard it all before but, I still thinkchange is needed. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Cottrill" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > > > > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks for taking the time to write. Im not sure I quite > > understand your concern. Again please bear with me! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Aug 8 05:47:41 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:47:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baby home again Message-ID: <20050808124733.DMNK5164.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It has been a few years now but I have hauled the big R&V home again. Ron and Liz pulled it out of its home on Sunday (as I slept in due to something I drank until 3am). I put some fuel in the R&V and it started first pull and ran like a clock which was pretty nice considering it had not been touched for 8 months. It does make the trailer bounce a bit when it fires. The Nissan finally got to do the job for which it was purchased, towing the big R&V. I now have all my R&Vs together for the first time, the 1hp, 2hp, 4hp and the 12hp :) Now all I have to do is get the 2hp and the 4hp running :( Now to give the big R&V a good clean up ready for a couple of rallies. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Aug 8 06:11:04 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:11:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baby home again References: 63930274 Message-ID: <001a01c59c1a$a24c7690$0301a8c0@Cam> Give her a good spit and Patrick. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Baby home again > It has been a few years now but I have hauled the big R&V home again. Ron > and Liz pulled it out of its home on Sunday (as I slept in due to > something > I drank until 3am). I put some fuel in the R&V and it started first pull > and > ran like a clock which was pretty nice considering it had not been touched > for 8 months. It does make the trailer bounce a bit when it fires. > The Nissan finally got to do the job for which it was purchased, towing > the > big R&V. > I now have all my R&Vs together for the first time, the 1hp, 2hp, 4hp and > the 12hp :) Now all I have to do is get the 2hp and the 4hp running :( > Now to give the big R&V a good clean up ready for a couple of rallies. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 08:32:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:32:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning tin and a Baker Monitor battery box question Message-ID: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> Guys, Getting to the final details on Devin's engine. This weekend I cleaned up the original battery box. This was the one remaining part I had not cleaned and it was a reminder of just how dirty this engine was at one time! After at least an hour of scraping crud off the bottom and cleaning it in the parts washer it looks pretty decent. The galvanized tin has a a very dark weathered look too it despite the fact that I hand wire brushed and ScotchBrite'd it. Do ya'll have any secrets for brightening galvanized metal? There is a spot that it looks like battery acid got on. The wire brush removed the rust but not for long. Is there something that works well on galvanized to prevent more rust? A coat of polyurethane? And finally I need to know what the top for a Baker Monitor battery box is supposed to look like. Is it plain tin? Also is there a wire that holds it on? Can anyone send a picture? What is the thickness of that tin? How far does it over lap the sides? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 8 08:51:01 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning tin and a Baker Monitor battery box question In-Reply-To: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> References: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, > Getting to the final details on Devin's engine. This weekend I cleaned > up the original battery box. This was the one remaining part I had not > cleaned and it was a reminder of just how dirty this engine was at one > time! After at least an hour of scraping crud off the bottom and > cleaning it in the parts washer it looks pretty decent. So are we talking Portland debut here? 8-))) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 09:28:12 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:28:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning tin and a Baker Monitor battery box question In-Reply-To: References: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F7881C.7040809@imc-group.com> Yes! It has been two years since Devin bought the engine. He's been incredibly patient as we have taken the time to do this thing right. Curt >Hi Curt, > > > >>Getting to the final details on Devin's engine. This weekend I cleaned >>up the original battery box. This was the one remaining part I had not >>cleaned and it was a reminder of just how dirty this engine was at one >>time! After at least an hour of scraping crud off the bottom and >>cleaning it in the parts washer it looks pretty decent. >> >> > >So are we talking Portland debut here? 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 10:18:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Jeff Allen, BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by a locomotive? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 8 11:05:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow See ya, Arnie On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > Jeff Allen, > BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html > > Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade > this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by > a locomotive? From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 11:31:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:31:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Goodness! I see the build date was 1883. Does it snow like this anyplace in the US anymore? NC sure doesn't get the snows I recall as a child anymore. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary >snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in >the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow > >See ya, Arnie > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 8 12:50:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Snow pics (OT) In-Reply-To: <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Yep, it still snows out west. http://www.micmacmedia.com/Weather/Sierra_Snowfall/sierra_snowfall.html The winters of 1982 and 1983 had snowfalls in the 700" to 800" range. The annual average (1878 - 2000) is 415" (34.6 feet!). The record snowfall was the winter of 1906 with 884 inches (73.7 feet). The reason that it seems that the snow isn't as deep as you recall as a child is that your knees are further from the ground now. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > Goodness! I see the build date was 1883. Does it snow like this anyplace > in the US anymore? NC sure doesn't get the snows I recall as a child > anymore. > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary > >snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in > >the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 13:08:40 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050808200840.86784.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as fuel. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: G'day all; Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to Keith's: http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and the required pressure/volume. Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. Appreciate any advise! RickinMt. PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 8 13:43:42 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:43:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Snow pics (OT) References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com><42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001201c59c59$e1126a30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Lucky for him, now his tool stays dry :o) John H. > > The reason that it seems that the snow isn't as deep as you recall as a > child is that your knees are further from the ground now. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Aug 8 13:46:04 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net><02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961><2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <3032.165.206.180.102.1123533964.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Roger - you being a ham operator should begin to suspect sun spots...... can you also pull in radio from 50 years ago - or maybe receive transmissions from Captain Kirk? ------------------- Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! From: "Roger DiRuscio" Date: Tue, September 6, 2005 8:10 pm To: "The SEL email discussion list" Priority: Normal ------------------ Bill > I havent a clue how this happened > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of cool antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > > >> Hi Bill, >> >> He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And >> since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who >> report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> >>> Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? >>> >>> Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >>> ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> > what club, what show, what website? >>> > I have not learned to read minds yet >>> > help! >>> > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Mon Aug 8 14:11:08 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:11:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7050DA59C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>I have found a young (32) man from our local club that is interested in becoming the next "Ignitor Man". His name is Don Miller, and lives in Independence Missouri, he comes to my shop a couple of days a week and we work on the jobs that have been stalled here for the past 18 months. We are getting some work out, but are not seeking any new orders at this time. I am pleased that I have someone to "pass on to" what I have picked up about magnetos and ignitors, it would be a shame if the knowledge was lost, and the hobby needs not to loose a source for ignitors. >>>Well, thanks again, all the best ! >>>Ted Brookover Not that any confirmation was needed, but this is a grand illustration of the kind of top-quality man Ted Brookover is. It takes a big guy - and not just in size - to look forward past himself to what needs to be done for the benefit of others to follow. Thanks, Ted. Bruce Yes, I'm late, but have had a lot of catching up to do - and Happy Birthday, too! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 8 14:57:04 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:57:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps><053001c59c10$f3c9ddf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <016601c59c16$ccf46730$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <056701c59c65$dcec49b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> No one tried harder than me Ron. That is why attempts were made to have me expelled from the Hunter club. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > You should have changed it years ago Reg. > > Ron From asouth at strato.net Mon Aug 8 19:00:22 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:00:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Land grab Message-ID: <01b101c59c86$1b13a470$0600a8c0@ARTHUR> (snip) "Thank you Dave, Leroy, and Brandi for all your work!! It is very much appreciated" I would like to hitch hike on that statement also. It's nice to have a central meeting place for the SEL. Thank you guys and gals who are close enough and have the time to homestead a plot for the SEL folks. Hope to see a whole bunch of you there. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 20:23:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:23:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> Message-ID: <42F821A3.9030100@earthlink.net> Hi Adam, snip> >Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen the following would occur. > >1. The policy would be totally with drawn >2. The policy as you mentioned would increase in cost >3. The terns of the policy would change > >It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. > The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with supervision and training. Hell, some of them probably run the damn tractor for real on the farm. They respect the equipment and have been trained to be safe around it. More often than not the adults get stupid on a farm and get hurt. I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. Don't fence me in!! Kind Regards, Jeff Allen P.S. Think more like Reg. From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Aug 8 20:40:13 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:40:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Snow pics (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F8259D.2070600@fidnet.com> Curt, it still snows in northern Michigan. I think our average for Gaylord, MI was something between 180" to 220" per year. On weekend in 1998 or 1999 or so, Sault Ste. Marie, Mi got five feet of snow one weekend. The side walks were canyons. Gary Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > Yep, it still snows out west. > > http://www.micmacmedia.com/Weather/Sierra_Snowfall/sierra_snowfall.html > The winters of 1982 and 1983 had snowfalls in the 700" to 800" range. > The annual average (1878 - 2000) is 415" (34.6 feet!). > The record snowfall was the winter of 1906 with 884 inches (73.7 feet). > > The reason that it seems that the snow isn't as deep as you recall as a > child is that your knees are further from the ground now. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > > >>Goodness! I see the build date was 1883. Does it snow like this anyplace >>in the US anymore? NC sure doesn't get the snows I recall as a child >>anymore. >> >>Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>>Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary >>>snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in >>>the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:00:43 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:00:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <42F821A3.9030100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Gidday all, i agree entirely something has to be done about these so called guide lines[RULES] as in the last 12 years that i have been involved in this hobbie[obsession] the atmosphere at every rally i attend is no where near what it was when i first started.I have only heard of a couple of small claims made against the insurance body in this country. Dave in oz >From: Jeff Allen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:23:15 -0600 > >Hi Adam, > >snip> > >>Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out >>fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen >>the following would occur. >> >>1. The policy would be totally with drawn 2. The policy as you mentioned >>would increase in cost 3. The terns of the policy would change >> >>It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following >>the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. >> >The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young >teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with >supervision and training. Hell, some of them probably run the damn tractor >for real on the farm. They respect the equipment and have been trained to >be safe around it. More often than not the adults get stupid on a farm and >get hurt. > >I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's >insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. >They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee >or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and >that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people >friendly should be the goal. > >Don't fence me in!! > >Kind Regards, >Jeff Allen > >P.S. Think more like Reg. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Aug 8 22:46:44 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:46:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: Message-ID: <025901c59ca5$b9c74b70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thats interesting Dave. I have been around the shows for about 13 years and I find that the only time there is a problem with atmosphere depends on the the company. Never had any problems with the guidelines. And I will repeat it until I am blue in the face - if you are unhappy get elected to the board of the NHMA and bring about what changes you would like. Nothing will ever happen while people sit on the fence. I did and was happy with what I achieved. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > Gidday all, i agree entirely something has to be done about these so called > guide lines[RULES] as in the last 12 years that i have been involved in this > hobbie[obsession] the atmosphere at every rally i attend is no where near > what it was when i first started.I have only heard of a couple of small > claims made against the insurance body in this country. Dave in oz > > >From: Jeff Allen > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:23:15 -0600 > > > >Hi Adam, > > > >snip> > > > >>Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out > >>fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen > >>the following would occur. > >> > >>1. The policy would be totally with drawn 2. The policy as you mentioned > >>would increase in cost 3. The terns of the policy would change > >> > >>It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following > >>the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. > >> > >The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young > >teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with > >supervision and training. Hell, some of them probably run the damn tractor > >for real on the farm. They respect the equipment and have been trained to > >be safe around it. More often than not the adults get stupid on a farm and > >get hurt. > > > >I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's > >insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. > >They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee > >or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and > >that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people > >friendly should be the goal. > > > >Don't fence me in!! > > > >Kind Regards, > >Jeff Allen > > > >P.S. Think more like Reg. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 9 02:36:15 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:36:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X Message-ID: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I dont want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. Got to know fast though Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Aug 9 03:12:16 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:12:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Pity no photo Reg. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Southern X > I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. > Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I dont > want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. > I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. > Got to know fast though > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 9 05:10:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:10:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I will only make the trip back there once.- If anyone wants it. I dont have the time to go on a photo shoot. It looks around the thirties to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern X > Pity no photo Reg. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: [SEL] Southern X > > >> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. >> Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I > dont >> want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. >> I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. >> Got to know fast though >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 9 05:55:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 06:55:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050808200840.86784.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small > vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on > a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust > the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as > fuel. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to > Keith's: > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg > > The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How > much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my > 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and > the > required pressure/volume. > > Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. > > Appreciate any advise! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Aug 9 06:07:33 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:07:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shuttle Message-ID: <037201c59ce3$4ee559d0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi to those in the US. Just watched the shuttle Discovery return. Terrific to watch and brought many fond memories for myself and family. In May 1985 we were fortunate enough to watch the Challeger land at Edwards. A once in a lifetime experience we'll never forget. Ron From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 9 06:15:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:15:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I would imagine the one you showed was pushed. The tank was probably used for weight/ballast. It does seem to me tho that I've seen them on the front of locomotives. http://www.trainweb.org/dcstation/UP/UP900016.html http://image04.webshots.com/4/6/70/56/70067056gBXOUp_fs.jpg and some models: http://www.aristocraft.com/database/?series=46700 later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > Jeff Allen, > BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html > > Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade > this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by > a locomotive? > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 9 06:24:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:24:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Here's some purdy kewl ones: http://www.kancoll.org/graphics/cora/snowplow.htm http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx236.shtml and two rotary plows: http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-1.shtml http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-3.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > Jeff Allen, > BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html > > Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade > this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by > a locomotive? > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 9 07:32:17 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:32:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200508090932498.SM02420@wrbpc> There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? Thanks! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 07:42:34 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:42:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050808200840.86784.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801c59cf0$955fe120$94c8f504@x8h7l9> I used some 15 and 20 lb regulators for over sized burners for a big lobster pot. They put out quite a roar. I can't find the paper work but they are out of Macon GA. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > > > > Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small > > vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on > > a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust > > the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as > > fuel. > > Ron > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > G'day all; > > Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to > > Keith's: > > > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg > > > > The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How > > much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my > > 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and > > the > > required pressure/volume. > > > > Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. > > > > Appreciate any advise! > > > > RickinMt. > > > > PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 9 08:16:36 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:16:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September Message-ID: <080920051516.28625.42F8C8D4000446E300006FD121979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Bill, Contact Peter Lowe, he was the one posting a request on an R&V upright engine. Curt > > There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in > September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. > Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > > Thanks! > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 08:37:10 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small > vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on > a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust > the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as > fuel. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to > Keith's: > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg > > The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How > much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my > 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and > the > required pressure/volume. > > Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. > > Appreciate any advise! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 9 08:41:22 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <080920051516.28625.42F8C8D4000446E300006FD121979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200508091041885.SM02420@wrbpc> Thanks, Curt. Actually, I have a separate e-mail out to him as well. I thought maybe his request was for an earlier sale, but you kind of confirm this was the right one. Post us some pictures of those springs when you get it figured out! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September Bill, Contact Peter Lowe, he was the one posting a request on an R&V upright engine. Curt > > There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa > in September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. > Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > > Thanks! > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 9 09:16:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, If you want something "more adjustable" for your propane tank than a BBQ regulator, try your acetylene regulator. That's what I use for the propane tank that feeds the hot tube burner on my 10 hp Bessemer half-breed. Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Rick, > I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink > can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it > shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. > Ron > Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > RickinMt. From driggars at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 10:14:38 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:14:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> I agree with Arnie, also there are adjustable propane regulators you can get. Th eregular BBQ grill regulators are no good for a fiurnace or kiln, they just do not allow enough pressure Clint > Rick, > > If you want something "more adjustable" for your propane tank than a > BBQ regulator, try your acetylene regulator. That's what I use for the > propane tank that feeds the hot tube burner on my 10 hp Bessemer > half-breed. > > Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > > > Rick, > > I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink > > can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it > > shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. > > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the > > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator > > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a > > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Aug 9 10:59:36 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:59:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <200508090932498.SM02420@wrbpc> References: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f@mail.gmail.com> <200508090932498.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050809105504.0263f138@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Bill......... This is probably the one you are looking for. Info was posted on Jim's list in July. >Hi all >Is anyone going to this auction >http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html >Hampton, Iowa, September 17, 2005 > >If so could you please find out who buys the R&V Easy Cooler engine >#BS7208 and pass on their details to me. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >International R&V Registrar >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm At 07:32 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: > >There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in >September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. >Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > >Thanks! > >B? > >Bill Brueck (brick) >Chatfield, MN, USA > >Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 9 12:09:10 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:09:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050809105504.0263f138@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200508091409236.SM02420@wrbpc> Just what I was looking for, thanks! I'll see if I can ID the buyer for Peter. If my ship comes in before then, maybe I'll buy it...fat chance, LOL. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September Bill......... This is probably the one you are looking for. Info was posted on Jim's list in July. >Hi all >Is anyone going to this auction >http://www.nix >onauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html >Hampton, Iowa, September 17, 2005 > >If so could you please find out who buys the R&V Easy Cooler engine >#BS7208 and pass on their details to me. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >International R&V Registrar >http://ww >w.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm At 07:32 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: > >There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in >September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. >Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > >Thanks! > >B? > >Bill Brueck (brick) >Chatfield, MN, USA > >Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 9 12:43:45 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809194345.75679.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Here is a steam powered snow blower...photos taken last year at the Illinois Railroad Museum in Union during their Transportation Meet. Second photo is the writeup on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/snow/steamsnow1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/snow/steamsnow2.jpg Steve From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Aug 9 14:02:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:02:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK Message-ID: <19d.3981c103.302a73ef@aol.com> Here is what appears to be a nice set of bearing scrapers located in the UK http://cgi.ebay.com/old-scraping-chizel-tools_W0QQitemZ4397708801QQcategoryZ20 761QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 14:37:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:37:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK In-Reply-To: <19d.3981c103.302a73ef@aol.com> References: <19d.3981c103.302a73ef@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508091437688ced13@mail.gmail.com> On 8/9/05, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Here is what appears to be a nice set of bearing scrapers located in the UK > > http://cgi.ebay.com/old-scraping-chizel-tools_W0QQitemZ4397708801QQcategoryZ20 > 761QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Tom Schmutz Not too far away from us either.... :-)) Thanks, Tom, I do have a set of new Millers Falls Tools scrapers, but these would be a nice addition if I can get them. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Aug 9 15:15:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:15:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK Message-ID: <84.4b32efd4.302a850c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2005 5:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << I do have a set of new Millers Falls Tools scrapers, but these would be a nice addition if I can >> Hi Peter, I have a new set of Miller Falls too. I just happened upon the ones I posted and thought they might attract some of you folks over there. Too far away for me to bid, but would be a nice addition. Good luck! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Aug 9 17:23:52 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:23:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00a001c59d41$c9cb34e0$546ea618@pengy> The Southern Pacific Railroad had some rotary plows based in Roseville, California at the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains. Their line through Donner Pass was a real battle to keep open. After the wedge plows became ineffective due to the buildup of snow the SP would assemble a "super set" of two rotary plows. They would leave Roseville with one rotary on the point, an F7B power car, three or four six axle locomotives, another F7B and the other rotary facing backwards. With all that power and with the second rotary there wasn't much that this train couldn't plow through! The rotaries that SP had were heavily rebuilt steam plows built between 1890 and 1910. They now had four DC traction motors driving the blade with the power being supplied by the F7B. So each rotary had about 1,500 HP at the blades and between 9,000 and 12,000 HP to push into the snow. When you saw this lashup leaving the yards you knew there was hell to pay up on the mountain! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > Here's some purdy kewl ones: > > http://www.kancoll.org/graphics/cora/snowplow.htm > > http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx236.shtml > > and two rotary plows: > > http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-1.shtml > > http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-3.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > > >> Jeff Allen, >> BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html >> >> Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade >> this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by >> a locomotive? >> >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 9 18:11:27 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:11:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: <00a001c59d41$c9cb34e0$546ea618@pengy> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> <00a001c59d41$c9cb34e0$546ea618@pengy> Message-ID: I've seen pictures of that monster in action! John On Aug 9, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote: > The Southern Pacific Railroad had some rotary plows based in > Roseville, California at the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains. > Their line through Donner Pass was a real battle to keep open. After > the wedge plows became ineffective due to the buildup of snow the SP > would assemble a "super set" of two rotary plows. They would leave > Roseville with one rotary on the point, an F7B power car, three or > four six axle locomotives, another F7B and the other rotary facing > backwards. With all that power and with the second rotary there > wasn't much that this train couldn't plow through! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 10 01:16:19 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:16:19 Subject: [SEL] Show pics from South Africa Message-ID: <200508100119390.SM01956@new> Hi All We had a show last week at Koos Kriels home last weekend. Pics and writeup at Follow the link on the first page. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Tue Aug 9 22:43:57 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:43:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts Message-ID: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> Hi Jeff, thanks again for taking the time to write. I am the first to admit the guidelines are perfect but I think you miss my point........ unfortunately we need insurance "Just in case" this is not limited to engine rallys or shows it also applys to cars and house and I said previously and to get these policys we need to do certain things. "The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with supervision and training." This is fantastic!! but would it be fair to say that because of the "supervision and training" the 52nd annual show has had a good safety record....... Now this is where it gets sticky and im my opinion worse than the NHMA Guidelines now you have to find a "competant person" to not only train but operate the equipment and I would suspect there would be guidelines pray tell how these are different in context to the NHMA guidelines. In effect a risk management policy!!! I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. Again this is fantastic, I would love to do this at our rally, but how do we stop "oppertunists" those that "Sue" for a skinned knee or two from financially breaking our hobby??? Don't fence me in!!......... I think you are more fenced in than you know And Reg we have spoken on this many times and forged a good realationship and a huge amount of respect and friendship from it, and you recall I agreed with your thoughts on how it should be. And as I think I suggested to you the reasons for what you mentioned happened in your the club, they where "personal" and not the NHMA ringing up and saying "Reg Ingold is a idiot can him" (not that they would or could do this anyway) sadly the NHMA was used as a lever, means or motivation to achieve someone elses personal goal..... to have you removed from the club. And this comes back to what one of the other guys said about the personalitys of others!!! Kind Regards, Adam From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 9 23:05:22 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:05:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] URL for your browsing pleasure Message-ID: <200508100605.j7A65Xxo007009@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hiya kids, Here's something I whipped up this evening. The pictures are old, but the info is from a couple of obscure and diverse sources. Nothing in depth... more like "sound bytes" to satisfy your engine urge. http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From chesnimnus at juno.com Tue Aug 9 23:42:34 2005 From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:42:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Tractor Forum for IH owners Message-ID: <20050809.234246.3824.0.chesnimnus@juno.com> I have not seen any notice about it, so I felt I would let folks know: There is a new forum for folks with International Harvester and McCormick tractors, power units, stationary engines, and implements, including their related brands like Case, Champion, and so on. It is the Tractor Talk forum on the Binder Bulletin. Those that are into the IH trucks (ranging from Scouts to onroad trucks) will recognize the Binder Bulletin as one of the oldest and best IH websites around. Somebody realized that the tractor folks had been seriously overlooked, so they added a section just for them. Visit it here: http://www.binderbulletin.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69 The Tractor Talk forum is better than many of the lists that are out there for one main reason: you can post photos, and get realtime response from your questions, in color and a typesize you can read. Most of the lists I belong to have either a daily digest (which I get only once a day), or individual posts (which I do not opt for because it clogs up my e-mail). The BB lets you choose which topics to subscribe to, and then you can receive notice of any updated posts. And there are Classifieds, Auction notices, and FreeCycle forums, as well as forums for upcoming events. Vendors can also post in thier own forum with their products or services if they wish. IHCC Chapter 30 has latched onto this forum pretty quickly, but I have not seen many other folks on there, so I wanted to let you all know. The Binder Bulletin is one of my favorite sites due to my truck fetish, but I have been bitten by the tractor and engine bug too in the last few years, and feel that this forum is one of the best ways to learn about IHC. Enjoy! -Colin Rush From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:12:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:12:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK In-Reply-To: <84.4b32efd4.302a850c@aol.com> References: <84.4b32efd4.302a850c@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050810001243dcae0c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/9/05, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/2005 5:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: > > << I do have a set of new Millers Falls Tools scrapers, but > these would be a nice addition if I can >> > > > Hi Peter, > > I have a new set of Miller Falls too. I just happened upon the ones I posted > and thought they might attract some of you folks over there. Too far away > for me to bid, but would be a nice addition. Good luck! > > Tom Schmutz I'll let you know what happens....:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 10 00:09:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:09:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> Message-ID: <016901c59d7b$08d17490$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ok Adam. Lets come to the bottom line. As an exhibitor, am I, or am I not, a capable person? If I am, allow me the right to show my stuff as I choose. This includes allowing people in the engine area under my 'control' If I am not, then kick me off the site. Insurance doesnt come in to it. I still want to see the number of claims for the public in the compounds under the guidance of exhibitors. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts > Hi Jeff, > thanks again for taking the time to write. I am the first to > admit the guidelines are perfect but I think you miss my point........ > unfortunately we need insurance "Just in case" this is not limited to > engine rallys or shows it also applys to cars and house and I said > previously and to get these policys we need to do certain things. > > "The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. > Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always > with supervision and training." > > This is fantastic!! but would it be fair to say that because of the > "supervision and training" the 52nd annual show has had a good safety > record....... Now this is where it gets sticky and im my opinion worse > than the NHMA Guidelines now you have to find a "competant person" to not > only train but operate the equipment and I would suspect there would be > guidelines pray tell how these are different in context to the NHMA > guidelines. In effect a risk management policy!!! > > > I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. > It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the > children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a > skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we > finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid > friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. > > Again this is fantastic, I would love to do this at our rally, but how do > we stop "oppertunists" those that "Sue" for a skinned knee or two from > financially breaking our hobby??? > > Don't fence me in!!......... I think you are more fenced in than you know > > And Reg we have spoken on this many times and forged a good realationship > and a huge amount of respect and friendship from it, and you recall I > agreed with your thoughts on how it should be. And as I think I suggested > to you the reasons for what you mentioned happened in your the club, they > where "personal" and not the NHMA ringing up and saying "Reg Ingold is a > idiot can him" (not that they would or could do this anyway) sadly the > NHMA was used as a lever, means or motivation to achieve someone elses > personal goal..... to have you removed from the club. > > And this comes back to what one of the other guys said about the > personalitys of others!!! > > Kind Regards, > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Aug 10 01:28:33 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:28:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> <016901c59d7b$08d17490$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <009001c59d85$81167130$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> If the people are under your control then I would not expect an accident let alone a claim. As you say you are a capable man. And therefore would be responsible enough to ensure nothing happened and care for your equipment at same time. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts > Ok Adam. Lets come to the bottom line. > As an exhibitor, am I, or am I not, a capable person? > If I am, allow me the right to show my stuff as I choose. This includes > allowing people in the engine area under my 'control' > If I am not, then kick me off the site. > Insurance doesnt come in to it. > I still want to see the number of claims for the public in the compounds > under the guidance of exhibitors. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Cottrill" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:43 PM > Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts > > > > Hi Jeff, > > thanks again for taking the time to write. I am the first to > > admit the guidelines are perfect but I think you miss my point........ > > unfortunately we need insurance "Just in case" this is not limited to > > engine rallys or shows it also applys to cars and house and I said > > previously and to get these policys we need to do certain things. > > > > "The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. > > Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always > > with supervision and training." > > > > This is fantastic!! but would it be fair to say that because of the > > "supervision and training" the 52nd annual show has had a good safety > > record....... Now this is where it gets sticky and im my opinion worse > > than the NHMA Guidelines now you have to find a "competant person" to not > > only train but operate the equipment and I would suspect there would be > > guidelines pray tell how these are different in context to the NHMA > > guidelines. In effect a risk management policy!!! > > > > > > I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. > > It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the > > children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a > > skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we > > finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid > > friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. > > > > Again this is fantastic, I would love to do this at our rally, but how do > > we stop "oppertunists" those that "Sue" for a skinned knee or two from > > financially breaking our hobby??? > > > > Don't fence me in!!......... I think you are more fenced in than you know > > > > And Reg we have spoken on this many times and forged a good realationship > > and a huge amount of respect and friendship from it, and you recall I > > agreed with your thoughts on how it should be. And as I think I suggested > > to you the reasons for what you mentioned happened in your the club, they > > where "personal" and not the NHMA ringing up and saying "Reg Ingold is a > > idiot can him" (not that they would or could do this anyway) sadly the > > NHMA was used as a lever, means or motivation to achieve someone elses > > personal goal..... to have you removed from the club. > > > > And this comes back to what one of the other guys said about the > > personalitys of others!!! > > > > Kind Regards, > > Adam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 10 05:13:11 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:13:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 Message-ID: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Attended the Tilligte Oldtimer Day this weekend, came in at the camping Friday afternoon in the rain, but seeing old friends there again and a few beers made my day good. It's only one day on the Sunday and my goodness what do this club volonteers alot of work to get the show going, my hats off. Sunday was a good sunny day with only a few little showers, there was plenty to see at all fronts, many visitors and great displays everywhere. Pictures I took can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/tilligte2005.htm Enjoy the European style, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 10 07:04:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:04:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> Message-ID: Appreciate all the responses guys. Arn will the acetylene regulator screw into a propane tank or are some adapters required? One of Keith's problems was that the regulator was freezing up with the large volume...one of the reasons I was going to tap off the 500 gallon shop tank. Think I'll give the propane plant a call and see what they can do for me. Thanks again guys RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > > I agree with Arnie, also there are adjustable propane regulators you can > get. Th > eregular BBQ grill regulators are no good for a fiurnace or kiln, they > just do not > allow enough pressure > > Clint > > > > > Rick, > > > > If you want something "more adjustable" for your propane tank than a > > BBQ regulator, try your acetylene regulator. That's what I use for the > > propane tank that feeds the hot tube burner on my 10 hp Bessemer > > half-breed. > > > > Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > > > > > Rick, > > > I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink > > > can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it > > > shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. > > > Ron > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with > > > the > > > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane > > > regulator > > > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to > > > use a > > > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 10 07:24:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> Message-ID: Yep. Same left hand fitting. On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > Appreciate all the responses guys. Arn will the acetylene regulator screw > into a propane tank or are some adapters required? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 10 07:39:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:39:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> Message-ID: Kewl..this has definite possiblities then Thanx Arn Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Yep. Same left hand fitting. > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Appreciate all the responses guys. Arn will the acetylene regulator > > screw > > into a propane tank or are some adapters required? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Aug 10 07:56:35 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:56:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005c01c59dbb$b56e5840$2d486e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, It is called a bucking plow and is pushed by a locomotive. In the late 1800's this type of plow was sometimes pushed by as many as 8 locomotives. The method was to push wide open but if the engines stalled then they backed off half a mile or so and rammed into the snow at full speed. This was a pretty dangerous thing to do, there was a good possibility of derailing and on occasion rammed the cab full of snow. The tank on the rear is probably a big block of cement or maybe full of scrap iron. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics Jeff Allen, BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by a locomotive? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 10 10:24:02 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:24:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 In-Reply-To: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42FA3832.1030302@imc-group.com> John, The photos of the beautiful Benz are spectacular. If I am remembering Greyson's engine book correctly Otto had been in the employment of Benz several times by this point. The slide valve on the engine sure makes one think of Otto.... A couple of questions for you about the engine: -Is that high tension ignition (sparkplug) on the top of the cylinder? -Is the camshaft speed 1/4 that of the crankshaft speed? -Are there two lobes on the camshaft to make the engine run as a 4 cycle instead of an 8 cycle? -Is anyone making a model casting kit of this engine? This would be a fun one to build. Thanks for sharing. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, & 16 John Hammink wrote: >Attended the Tilligte Oldtimer Day this weekend, came in at the camping >Friday afternoon in the rain, but seeing old friends there again and a few >beers made my day good. >It's only one day on the Sunday and my goodness what do this club volonteers >alot of work to get the show going, my hats off. >Sunday was a good sunny day with only a few little showers, there was plenty >to see at all fronts, many visitors and great displays everywhere. >Pictures I took can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/tilligte2005.htm > >Enjoy the European style, > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 10 12:10:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:10:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 References: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42FA3832.1030302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c59ddf$39f87820$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, The sparkplug is on top of the engine ( it's a big one ). This is high tension like the original, the battery is in the little wooden box. He said it's a "Summer" ignition. The slide valve goes automatically by the rod on the cam, so it turns half the crankshaft. The other rod underneath is for the exhaust valve and works on demand of the arm that runs over the lob of the cam. At this Url you can see the timing device: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/igntimer.jpg Don't know of any casting kit, would be great to have one I thought. Hope it answers your Q's. John H. > John, > The photos of the beautiful Benz are spectacular. If I am remembering > Greyson's engine book correctly Otto had been in the employment of Benz > several times by this point. The slide valve on the engine sure makes > one think of Otto.... > A couple of questions for you about the engine: > -Is that high tension ignition (sparkplug) on the top of the cylinder? > -Is the camshaft speed 1/4 that of the crankshaft speed? > -Are there two lobes on the camshaft to make the engine run as a 4 cycle > instead of an 8 cycle? > -Is anyone making a model casting kit of this engine? This would be a > fun one to build. > Thanks for sharing. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, & 16 > > John Hammink wrote: > > >Attended the Tilligte Oldtimer Day this weekend, came in at the camping > >Friday afternoon in the rain, but seeing old friends there again and a few > >beers made my day good. > >It's only one day on the Sunday and my goodness what do this club volonteers > >alot of work to get the show going, my hats off. > >Sunday was a good sunny day with only a few little showers, there was plenty > >to see at all fronts, many visitors and great displays everywhere. > >Pictures I took can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/tilligte2005.htm > > > >Enjoy the European style, > > > >John Hammink > >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 10 14:09:52 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:09:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:29:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Enjoy the European style, >> Hi John, Thanks for the nice pictures of the show to look at. Nice grinding mill which I assume has stone burrs in it and grinds corn meal/flour Can't say I have ever seen one with the wood made round and the stones vertical. The ones here are made like square boxes. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 10 14:17:17 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:17:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] Show pics from South Africa Message-ID: <59.2d58b09b.302bc8dd@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2005 11:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: << We had a show last week at Koos Kriels home last weekend >> Hi Jerry, Thanks for sharing the show engine pictures, many of which I am not familiar with. I am sure your daughter was very proud of the work put into her engine which is a beauty. The Stuart engine is sure nice too! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 10 17:12:27 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:12:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <20050810.171228.1592.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> I got the wheels under the cart today. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72498684 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72498685 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From ihcboggs at jayco.net Wed Aug 10 17:22:24 2005 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne Boggs) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low Tension International M Engines Message-ID: <001e01c59e0b$ee14b310$615328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> I would like to know how you adjust the points or set the points close on the ignitor so you don't have to use a battery to start it. Any answers? Mags are all hot-nothing wrong with them. The point gap is too wide. Thanks DeWayne From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 17:56:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:56:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA and final comments/questions In-Reply-To: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> Message-ID: <42FAA250.3080401@earthlink.net> Hi Adam, I think you and your mates will have to sort this out. I do think you have a problem in OZ. That is my opinion. I have spent the last six months battling the board of my club with some success. I need to get back to that issue now that I have offered you my opinions. I truly believe that visitors of all ages should be allowed behind the fence under supervision of an engine owner. I am not alone in that thought, but several, including some board members of my club, disagree. That is my battle and I will continue the fight. I have only been to a few engine shows as I am new to the hobby. I know there are many that take their families to shows in the U.S. Check in if you like and tell me how it works where you go. Are the kids behind the ropes? Can they run their own engines with supervision? I really would like some input before next weeks meeting on this issue. In closing, feel free to contact me off list Adam. I think most on the list are tired of this, but I'll be more than happy to continue a dialog off list. Regards, Jeff Allen From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 10 18:16:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:16:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Low Tension International M Engines References: <001e01c59e0b$ee14b310$615328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <002001c59e12$51a90b00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> DeWayne, If you have an original ignitor with no weare out parts and it's in good working order and new springs the cap will always be the same. In this situation the cap has nothing to do with a good spark, because the points are always open for this type ignitor. The importend point is the moment that the hammer snaps and the ignition points open, at that moment you need the most and best voltage of your magneto. When this happen, the notch on the armature has to be in line with the notches on the armature bushing. Some "L" or "R" magnetos need a certain speed to give enough volts, it depends on their general quality. Timing and settings for this magneto can be found on my web site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/timingsettingsM.htm Hope it's of any help for ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I would like to know how you adjust the points or set the points close on the ignitor so you don't have to use a battery to start it. Any answers? Mags are all hot-nothing wrong with them. The point gap is too wide. Thanks DeWayne From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 10 19:40:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:40:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <20050810.225436.632.6.jlb94@juno.com> Very nice job on the cart, Ron. Excellent work . Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Aug 10 20:32:58 2005 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:32:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: Good job Ron. Do we get more pics on completion? Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Aug 10 20:37:29 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:37:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA and final comments/questions References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> <42FAA250.3080401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c59e26$0013f160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Jeff I can also be contacted off list. I think there are some points that need to be clarified. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA and final comments/questions > Hi Adam, > > I think you and your mates will have to sort this out. I do think you > have a problem in OZ. That is my opinion. > > I have spent the last six months battling the board of my club with some > success. I need to get back to that issue now that I have offered you my > opinions. I truly believe that visitors of all ages should be allowed > behind the fence under supervision of an engine owner. I am not alone in > that thought, but several, including some board members of my club, > disagree. That is my battle and I will continue the fight. > > I have only been to a few engine shows as I am new to the hobby. I know > there are many that take their families to shows in the U.S. Check in if > you like and tell me how it works where you go. Are the kids behind the > ropes? Can they run their own engines with supervision? I really would > like some input before next weeks meeting on this issue. > > In closing, feel free to contact me off list Adam. I think most on the > list are tired of this, but I'll be more than happy to continue a dialog > off list. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 11 02:45:31 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:45:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X In-Reply-To: <006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42FB1E3B.7070905@steamengine.com.au> Go to Google, put in Southern Cross Engine into Image Search and tell us the URL of which one it looks like. Paul R & M Ingold wrote: > I will only make the trip back there once.- If anyone wants it. I dont > have the time to go on a photo shoot. > It looks around the thirties to me. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern X > > >> Pity no photo Reg. >> >> Ron >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & M Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Southern X >> >> >>> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. >>> Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I >> >> dont >> >>> want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. >>> I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. >>> Got to know fast though >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 11 03:56:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:56:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42FB1E3B.7070905@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <01cb01c59e63$4cb2bbe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It is a 2to3 hp AXC air cooled. I have passed on the info to the editor of our club mag. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: [SPAM]: Re: [SEL] Southern X > Go to Google, put in Southern Cross Engine into Image Search and tell us > the URL of which one it looks like. > > Paul > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> I will only make the trip back there once.- If anyone wants it. I dont >> have the time to go on a photo shoot. >> It looks around the thirties to me. >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern X >> >> >>> Pity no photo Reg. >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Southern X >>> >>> >>>> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. >>>> Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I >>> >>> dont >>> >>>> want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. >>>> I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. >>>> Got to know fast though >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Thu Aug 11 04:23:45 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:23:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> Hi Jeff, Again thank you for writing and Ill just close off too, As I said previously im the first to admit the NHMA and the guidelines arent perfect... and I told them this as such at the recent National Rally. To me the main reason things as they are is firstly the hobby in it self is unique and you cant simply put it in a neat package. The variation or the people and there interests in the hobby are what makes it great. There is still alot more the NHMA could cover if you look back to my annual report and read the business descri[tion you can clearly see this. The point im trying to make is the Association needs to find a balance that satisfys the majority of members. That being said those who wish to do "other" things that dont come under the Association policys can apply or seek there own private coverage or support there is no rule saying every engine person must be a member of the NHMA. I aggree with Reg and you Jeff on allowing people into compounds under supervision, I think its great and ive even done it myself with a gentlemen who gave me an engine sometime ago. He traveled 3 hours to the event I was at to see it running for the first time in 60 years, he broke down in tears I was close my self it was very emotional!! I invited him over the fence and I let him assist in starting it (its a big sideshaft) he was stoked and so was I!! He asked if he could engines further down the compound and I gently told him he would have to get back over the other side of the fence to do that and then ask the owner if it would be ok if he hoped over. He understood and was happy to comply And to some degree under the policy the NHMA has you can get away with things like this and use common sense in a controled environment. But I stress it is not in the guidelines, however there is no reason why efforts could be made to do that. However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it will make the hobby so much better. Tractors and steam engines driving around in public (yes this looks great and I know where you are comming from) is something im not convinced can be done safely... but someone tell me how it came be done. I admit im not a tractor person so maybe someone who is can provide some thoughts on the matter?? As for your question about familys the answer is yes, in the policy its states between an age of 10 to 70 (from memory) I have had this argument with the actual national secretary on children under 10 simply put insurance companys dont recignise some kid who has grown up around tractors all his life as apposed to one who hasn't and it is very expensive and difficult to get coverage for those under 10 I believe I hope this answers your questions Jeff if I can help any further or with your forth comming meeting please dont hesitate to let me know off list. Kind regards, Adam From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 08:42:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:42:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - Church bells Message-ID: <6f60251605081108427b7523a3@mail.gmail.com> This is completely OT but brings you down to earth a bit: We had a phone call today from Shelton Parish Church, who we rent one of the horses' fields from. After the usual exchanges of pleasantries (Heather Wells has been our contact there for the past 12 years) she mentioned that they were going to get their Church clock repaired, and had also found out that their Church bell had been appropriated by a neighbouring village (Hargrave) in the 1500's, and she had found documentary evidence in the parish records of the event! Now, we are pretty used to 'old' things related to the 1700's up to the 1900's, but finding ordinary everyday records that date back 500 years is something which we found pretty special. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 11 09:24:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:24:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - Church bells References: <6f60251605081108427b7523a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c59e91$1fe2f020$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Church bells > This is completely OT but brings you down to earth a bit: > We had a phone call today from Shelton Parish Church, who we rent one > of the horses' fields from. After the usual exchanges of pleasantries > (Heather Wells has been our contact there for the past 12 years) she > mentioned that they were going to get their Church clock repaired, and > had also found out that their Church bell had been appropriated by a > neighbouring village (Hargrave) in the 1500's, and she had found > documentary evidence in the parish records of the event! > Now, we are pretty used to 'old' things related to the 1700's up to > the 1900's, but finding ordinary everyday records that date back 500 > years is something which we found pretty special. > Peter Hi Peter, I hope a solicitor doesn't get to hear about this and try to start proceedings for the church. If he does offer him the 1500's rates of pay! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 11 10:31:57 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. Message-ID: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Guys, Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it was killed acid. Anybody remember? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 11 11:28:13 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:28:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. Message-ID: <20050811.112813.1188.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Curt. The right flux makes the difference between night and day. I would go for silicone seal between two washers. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 Curt writes: > Guys, > Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am > down > to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I > am > planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe > connected > to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. > I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering > sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating > the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if > it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 12:06:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:06:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605081112061d402f8c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Curt wrote: > Guys, > Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down > to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am > planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected > to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. > I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Look for 'killed spirits' on Google, we called it Baker's Fluid over here, probably quite appropriate for your engine! :-)) But a good resin flux would do the job if you can find some of the old stuff. New reg's prevent use of a lot of this stuff now, so you cannot always find it in the shops. We have a stock of old resin flux at the factory for soldering big cables etc with a blowtorch. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 11 12:18:41 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:18:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. > Guys, > Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down > to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am > planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected > to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. > I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland Hi Curt, If you are doing the soldering to work with the Baker Monitor the best flux would probably be Bakers Fluid. 8^) see http://www.tool-up.co.uk/shop/diy/BAK500.html Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 12:35:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:35:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <6f60251605081112061d402f8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> <6f60251605081112061d402f8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508111235627e4cfd@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Look for 'killed spirits' on Google, we called it Baker's Fluid over > here, probably quite appropriate for your engine! :-)) But a good > resin flux would do the job if you can find some of the old stuff. New > reg's prevent use of a lot of this stuff now, so you cannot always > find it in the shops. > > We have a stock of old resin flux at the factory for soldering big > cables etc with a blowtorch. > > Peter > Put speech marks around "Bakers Fluid" or you'll get a load of other mush in the search results! Still available over here, I think you'll find chemical details if you use Google Groups and look back in the archives on the model engineering newsgroup - uk.rec.models.engineering Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 11 13:50:46 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:50:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <54.4a03a474.302d1426@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << I got the wheels under the cart today. >> Nice job Ron. That engine looks like it weighs something! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:29:31 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:29:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, It's called Ruby Fluid over here, you can get it at any sheet metal shop. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL >Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 > >Guys, >Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down to >preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am planning >on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected to the pail >will drain water back to the tank under the cart. >I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. >It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections of >galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the >sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and stick. >But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it was killed >acid. >Anybody remember? >Thanks, >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Aug 11 14:34:31 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:34:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <42FBC467.8000003@wowway.com> I have not looked, but can't you still find different "soldering acids" in the stores? If not, I have to imagine that any of the paste fluxes would do the job. Or possibly, if you don't have too much to do, acid-core solder. I think that zinc chloride or some-such is a common component in such items. -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Aug 11 14:41:33 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:41:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <42FBC60D.7030500@wowway.com> Check here, Curt---you can also access the MSDS sheet which shows a composition of Zinc and Ammonia Chlorides and HCl...I can smell it now!!! http://www.airgas.com/browse/product.aspx?Msg=RecID&recIds=51906 -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 11 21:18:25 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:18:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <20050811.211825.1292.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tom. The engine isn't all that big, but the solid flywheels, full base, and generator that is not in the picture really adds up. I will weigh it sometime. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:50:46 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > << I got the wheels under the cart today. >> > > > Nice job Ron. That engine looks like it weighs something! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 03:19:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:19:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] '' Spark Plugs''......Australian Book Message-ID: <001401c59f27$6982d510$159881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does anyone in Australia know if the book ''Spark Plugs'' by A.M. Parker is still available. It was printed by the Shovel &Bull in South Australia, when i do not know. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 03:27:47 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:27:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com><001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> <42FBC467.8000003@wowway.com> Message-ID: <003e01c59f28$80013c40$159881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Curt ...for what it is worth. Do what Ron suggests, a couple of lock nuts and sealing washers. I have done this on a pump and bucket ,works well and you can easily dismantle it . ----- Original Message ----- From: "kgw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. > > I have not looked, but can't you still find different "soldering acids" in > the stores? If not, I have to imagine that any of the paste fluxes would > do the job. Or possibly, if you don't have too much to do, acid-core > solder. I think that zinc chloride or some-such is a common component in > such items. > -- > Gene > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Aug 12 12:59:42 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:59:42 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question In-Reply-To: <200508121000.j7CA0B5U011483@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 From: Curt Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it was killed acid. Anybody remember? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Hi Curt For what it is worth I remember when I was a "short one" (45 years or so back) my Dad using "Spirits of Salts" for tinning on galvanised metal. I think that this is Hydrochloric Acid but am not sure. He used to brush it on with a chicken feather - never could afford brushes. In your case the "Bakers Fluid" sounds like it was made for the job. Jerry Evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 12 05:22:54 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:22:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty Message-ID: <006901c59f38$91decd50$fa4c1152@no1> Steve Green has posted the following to the English newsgroup. I have never seen so much effort to show an engine well at a temporary site. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I have put some more photo's of another engine of mine this time my 62.5 bhp Vickers Petter which I took down to Ipswich for the Suffolk show back in June hope you enjoy them. Regards Steve. See http://community.webshots.com/album/419081268ioQNsp ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 05:27:18 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:27:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question References: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> Message-ID: <001301c59f39$32ae8ea0$159a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Interesting now ...Zinc Allum is the material used for gutters ,pop rivets and silicone have replaced soft solder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 > From: Curt > Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. > > > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Hi Curt > For what it is worth I remember when I was a "short one" (45 years or so > back) my Dad using "Spirits of Salts" for tinning on galvanised metal. I > think that this is Hydrochloric Acid but am not sure. He used to brush it > on with a chicken feather - never could afford brushes. > In your case the "Bakers Fluid" sounds like it was made for the job. > Jerry Evans > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 05:30:00 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:30:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty References: <006901c59f38$91decd50$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <001d01c59f39$92949350$159a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty > Steve Green has posted the following to the English newsgroup. > I have never seen so much effort to show an engine well at a temporary > site. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, I have put some more photo's of another engine of mine this time my > 62.5 bhp Vickers Petter which I took down to Ipswich for the Suffolk show > back in June hope you enjoy them. > Regards Steve. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/419081268ioQNsp > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 12 05:38:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:38:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question In-Reply-To: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> References: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> Message-ID: <42FC9851.5050609@imc-group.com> Thanks to all who have given advice of the tinning and soldering of galvanized. It seems finding the Bakers/Ruby/killed flux will be easier to find than the bucket itself! Have found lots of 10 quart buckets but the size I am after, a 14 quart, is proving difficult to find in town. Missy is on a mission to find a large bucket over the weekend. Oh Arnie, she likes your suggestion of fitting the drain pipe securely enough that it will survive a good whomp. It's what she is going to whomp with it that has me concerned ;-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jerry Evans wrote: > For what it is worth I remember when I was a "short one" (45 years or so >back) my Dad using "Spirits of Salts" for tinning on galvanised metal. I >think that this is Hydrochloric Acid but am not sure. He used to brush it >on with a chicken feather - never could afford brushes. > In your case the "Bakers Fluid" sounds like it was made for the job. > > > > > From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 12 06:49:04 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:49:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!!/Date In-Reply-To: <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: It is really, really easy for this to happen, if for some reason you were checking the time/date in the corner of your screen and "accidently" clicked over to September and then sent the email. Bank zoom you have a different date as your "system" date. Now anything you do on your local system will have the incorrect date. Peg Pfeiffer the PC Doctor >From: "Roger DiRuscio" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:10:29 -0700 > >I havent a clue how this happened > >Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc >Collector of cool antique engines >Website; scrapologist.com >Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:57 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And >>since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who >>report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> >>>Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? >>> >>>Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >>>ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 >>> >>>Bill >>> >>> > what club, what show, what website? >>> > I have not learned to read minds yet >>> > help! >>> > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Aug 12 07:03:12 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:03:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Curt's Bucket In-Reply-To: <42FC9851.5050609@imc-group.com> References: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> <42FC9851.5050609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1123855392.42fcac20eca26@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, McMaster-Carr has lots of choices in 14 quart buckets. 28 ga galvanized - $7.32 [4260T4] 26 ga galvanized - $15.06 [4260T6] Or you could move up to stainless steel for $50-$100... 8-)) I'd go for the heavier 26 ga one since Missy is planning on doing some whomping!! See ya at Portland!! Arnie Quoting Curt : > Thanks to all who have given advice of the tinning and soldering of > galvanized. It seems finding the Bakers/Ruby/killed flux will be easier > to find than the bucket itself! Have found lots of 10 quart buckets but > the size I am after, a 14 quart, is proving difficult to find in town. > Missy is on a mission to find a large bucket over the weekend. Oh Arnie, > she likes your suggestion of fitting the drain pipe securely enough that > it will survive a good whomp. It's what she is going to whomp with it > that has me concerned ;-) From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Aug 12 07:20:00 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland Message-ID: <001b01c59f48$ecc089b0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> I recently checked with my insurance agent regarding insurance coverage for my golf cart at the Portland, Indiana show. She told me my present coverage was only if used on my property. A seperate full coverage for use anywhere for one year was $68. As we use the golf cart at several other shows we are going for the seperate full coverage for everywhere. Clarence Lammers and myself and Ralph Waters will be at our same vendor spot on Ave. Q that Clarence and I have had for several years. Please stop and see us. -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/2005 From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 12 08:08:12 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:38:12 +0930 Subject: [SEL] '' Spark Plugs''......Australian Book References: <001401c59f27$6982d510$159881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002c01c59f4f$a8afbf50$19c08890@chaos> http://www.bevenyoung.com.au/saleoz.htm SPARK PLUGS VOL 2 By A M Parker An illustrated history of spark plugs told by reprinted ads. Also include is a KLG spark plug charts for early cars and motorcycles Published 1988. Soft bound, 124 pages, well illustrated SPECIAL PRICE $6.95 ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [SEL] '' Spark Plugs''......Australian Book > Does anyone in Australia know if the book ''Spark Plugs'' by A.M. Parker > is still available. It was printed by the Shovel &Bull in South Australia, > when i do not know. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 12 09:17:34 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:17:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <001b01c59f48$ecc089b0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <200508121617.j7CGHb5Y032411@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Clarence Lammers and myself and > Ralph Waters will be at our same vendor spot on Ave. Q that > Clarence and I have had for several years. Hey Charlie, See you in 11 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes and 4 seconds From tdunlap at Satx.rr.com Fri Aug 12 08:06:43 2005 From: tdunlap at Satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:06:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty References: <006901c59f38$91decd50$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <002d01c59f4f$74b57910$f5357246@mycomputer> Not only great pictures, but what a wonderful engine and display!! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty > Steve Green has posted the following to the English newsgroup. > I have never seen so much effort to show an engine well at a temporary > site. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, I have put some more photo's of another engine of mine this time my > 62.5 bhp Vickers Petter which I took down to Ipswich for the Suffolk show > back in June hope you enjoy them. > Regards Steve. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/419081268ioQNsp > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Aug 12 17:28:21 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:28:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Main bearing caps Message-ID: <20050812.172821.1492.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. A couple of main bearing caps keep getting pushed around here. If any list member can use them, 1$ plus postage and they are yours. The number on the casting is N 2400, and stamped in the sheet metal oil cover is 42. The babbitt looks good. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72508989 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72508990 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Aug 13 00:31:28 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:31:28 +1000 Subject: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> References: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> Message-ID: <42FDA1D0.20104@steamengine.com.au> Hi Adam, I certainly agree that the "lines of communication" do not work - they do not exist. I've lost count of the number of times I've offered the NHMA (various people known to be involved) to host a web site free where they control the content - I never even get a response, let alone a no thanks. You cannot have lines of communication to a secret society that calls itself National Historic Machinery Association Inc. that "Inc." that stands for incorporated should mean that the association is legally registered in one or more states - it is not! It may have been at one time, but it certainly is not now. I've made searches in each state's registry and federally for the name - zip. Paul Adam Cottrill wrote: > However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it will make the hobby so much better. > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Aug 13 01:49:56 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:49:56 +1000 Subject: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA References: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> <42FDA1D0.20104@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <008701c59fe3$fb6f11c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Pual You will find it was incorporated in Victoria. The incorporation papers are on file and we had to appoint a Victorian member as our Public Officer. I understand that the NHMA Board is in the process of establishing a website. I don't know how far it has progressed. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA > Hi Adam, > I certainly agree that the "lines of communication" do not work - they > do not exist. I've lost count of the number of times I've offered the > NHMA (various people known to be involved) to host a web site free where > they control the content - I never even get a response, let alone a no > thanks. You cannot have lines of communication to a secret society that > calls itself National Historic Machinery Association Inc. that "Inc." > that stands for incorporated should mean that the association is legally > registered in one or more states - it is not! It may have been at one > time, but it certainly is not now. I've made searches in each state's > registry and federally for the name - zip. > > Paul > > Adam Cottrill wrote: > > > However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt > > working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. > Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but > > there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the > 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is > > something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it > will make the hobby so much better. > > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Sat Aug 13 05:31:04 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:31:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> Hi Paul, I agree the "lines of the communication" do not work 100% however they DO EXIST, I have just come back from my clubs meeting tonight and there was our certificate of currency for the insurance and the NHMA newsletter. My club secretary noted in the mintues of the meeting that the information was passed on to me (as club insurance officer) and I digested it and spat out the relevent bits that affected our club, further those peices will also be placed in forth comming newsletter and we even had a motion to change the way we handle and post of insurance moneys to both the NHMA and members since now its NO CARD NO SHOW clubs issueing receipts as proof of payment of insurance as no longer acceptable we used to do this in the interm of the cards arriving. Also NHMA newsletter are kept on file and any member can view them at anytime via the secretary Paul I'm going to ask you a personal question if I may, at your club do you have an appointed person who handles the in comming NHMA information other than the secretary??? who breaks down the information and posts it in a readable format for club members... have you ever asked to read the NHMA newsletters etc your club gets?? Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe your club doesnt do this merly the newsletters and info are sent to your club and are filed by the secretary and merly mentioned in the incomming correspondence. Also that maybe you have not asked to view the corresspondence and if you have you might have been declined this is an issue with YOUR club NOT the NHMA. As for my recollection your approachs (I even did one for you) to the NHMA where tabled and responded to, the end result was as you mentioned was that the NHMA needs 100% editorial control of what was placed on it which is understandable and you where told this hence your comments about it. I do not know if it was official or in person face to face. The above is the same reason why the NHMA no longer places reports in the TOMM. My understanding is Alan Shephard is currently undertaking the website construction I have no idea of its progess, you have his email im sure shoot him one or give him a call. Talking about approaches apart from your very generous offer of your website as a host, you know that ALL corresspondence is to travel through your club first to the state representative. This means you will need to go to your club meeting and stand up and move a motion that your club write to the NHMA State Rep requesting the information your require. Why the hell should we do this???? simple there are over 8,000 members in the NHMA and to make the work load less on the volunters (all of the memebrs who hold posiitons no one gets paid) and communications faster and work. I will be down in Melbourne late this week or early next I am happy to sit down and have a chat with you about this because I can understand how frustrating it is when it seems no information is comming through. I also suspect I will be in melb frequently over the next two months let me know when your next meeting is maybe we could attend togeather Ill sit next to you and we can sort this out. Again I point out im doing this as a fellow engine hobbist not as a sanctioned NHMA representative. Kind regards, Adam Hi Adam, I certainly agree that the "lines of communication" do not work - they do not exist. I've lost count of the number of times I've offered the NHMA (various people known to be involved) to host a web site free where they control the content - I never even get a response, let alone a no thanks. You cannot have lines of communication to a secret society that calls itself National Historic Machinery Association Inc. that "Inc." that stands for incorporated should mean that the association is legally registered in one or more states - it is not! It may have been at one time, but it certainly is not now. I've made searches in each state's registry and federally for the name - zip. Paul Adam Cottrill wrote: > However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it will make the hobby so much better. > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 --- Forwarded Message --- Date: [Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:49:56 +1000] From: Ron Page To: The SEL email discussion list cc: Subject: Re: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA Pual You will find it was incorporated in Victoria. The incorporation papers are on file and we had to appoint a Victorian member as our Public Officer. I understand that the NHMA Board is in the process of establishing a website. I don't know how far it has progressed. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Aug 13 06:14:06 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:14:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] HVLP painting problems Message-ID: Whew..well it cooled off here. 90 one day and yesterday the high was in the 50's. Good ole Mt., ya know. Well I'm having a small problem with my HVLP spraying. I can get the nice high gloss top coat but immediately specks of hair like particles appear. Not many, just enuf to Pi$$ one off. I'm running a colescing filter and drain all moisture from the line before spraying. I believe it's coming from the air line. Do the make a micron filter for the air line? And I do use a tack cloth. Any thot's??? RickinMt. From oldengin at udata.com Sat Aug 13 19:18:00 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MECCA, portland In-Reply-To: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> References: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> Message-ID: <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> The camping ground is set and ready for us!!!!! nothing finer and see ya all in a few days! leaving Thursday -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Aug 13 19:42:05 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MECCA, portland In-Reply-To: <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> References: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> Message-ID: <42FEAF7D.3030909@fidnet.com> We'll see you on Tues. Gary Leroy C. wrote: > The camping ground is set and ready for us!!!!! nothing finer and see > ya all in a few days! leaving Thursday > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 13 21:01:18 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MECCA, portland In-Reply-To: <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> References: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> Message-ID: <42FEC20E.8040204@scrtc.com> Early Birds......! Thanks for staking off our piece of heaven. See ya soon! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Leroy C. wrote: > The camping ground is set and ready for us!!!!! nothing finer and see > ya all in a few days! leaving Thursday > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Aug 14 05:50:09 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:50:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's Chore Boy Message-ID: <20050814125003.ZOQG21373.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Edd returned another one to life this week. After a lot of work (including a re-sleeve) he got his little Associated 'Chore Boy' running. Pics: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/Mvc-032f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/Mvc-033f.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 14 07:37:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event Message-ID: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka chips) Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. If you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and your favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and ice for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better than last year. 8-)) See ya at Portland!! Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 09:39:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:39:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event In-Reply-To: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605081409394f06276@mail.gmail.com> On 8/14/05, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka chips) > Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. If > you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and your > favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and ice > for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better than > last year. 8-)) > > See ya at Portland!! Arnie > You mean the foot-deep water won't be a feature of the ATIS area this year? pity that as we missed it last year..... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 14 11:14:29 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:14:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Needed: Madison Kipp oiler parts Message-ID: <200508141814.j7EIEZUY048977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is being posted for my friend, Bob Helm, who doesn't use computers. He's looking for three individual oiler assemblies for a Madison-Kipp Model 50. If you have something, email me with your phone number and I can have Bob call you, or you can call Bob directly at 909-629-1662. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Aug 14 11:13:54 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:13:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS auction at Portland Message-ID: <002e01c5a0fb$f0540200$60a4123f@oemcomputer> To all Portland attendees, Don't forget the Thursday night auction at the Back 40. Hunt up a few auction items. Your non auctioneer auctioneer is warming up for it. I've got my items ready. They will be on display in the SEL area prior to the auction. If you haven't done it, let Dave know that you will be there. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Aug 14 15:32:23 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:32:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs Message-ID: <8d.2d1dc489.30312077@aol.com> Hi List, I got the Gladden Model 40 to run. Yes, it runs with a make shift carburetor/governor linkage, wrong carburetor, and a non original reworked gas tank. However, I having a little problem with the governor. There is no apparent governor action with an increase in engine RPM. I think the idle carburetor circuit also needs to be cleaned since it doesn't want to run at low speeds. Nevertheless, even with these small problems, I am happy to hear the engine run. It starts with the pull rope. The thread on solder was very helpful. I was to use some of data on flux to help me solder a new filler cap assembly to the gas tank. I found a bottle of "Allen's Tinners Acid" and use some of it to clean the solder joint. The solder flowed very nice into the inside the tank filler joint and around the outside perimeter. l rinsed the inside of the tank with muriatic acid to clean some of the internal rust. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 14 15:32:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:32:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] She's finally home. Sorta OT Message-ID: <42FFC68B.8050508@earthlink.net> Hi all, Today the Red-E walk behind machine made it home. I paid for it about a year ago. She was headed for Portland and neither of us made it. In October she made the trip to Colby, KS for storage from another complete stranger. My plan was to pick her up when I went to Bird City for the show. It didn't work out, as the one storing it was in Denver that weekend. My buddy made a parts search trip last week into Iowa and Nebraska. He dropped down to Colby and picked it up yesterday. Today we unloaded. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Sure is perty to me. Gas tank/tool box, good flywheel, and great set of handles. Hate to part her out, but have no choice. Sometimes you gotta make one out of two. If you care to take a look at the old girl: http://oldirongallery.com/re.html Happy day for me and I think we're all insane. Great state of mind. Jeff Allen From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 14 16:00:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:00:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs References: <8d.2d1dc489.30312077@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c5a123$ec72f010$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs > Hi List, > I got the Gladden Model 40 to run. Yes, it runs with a make shift > carburetor/governor linkage, wrong carburetor, and a non original reworked gas tank. > However, I having a little problem with the governor. There is no apparent > governor action with an increase in engine RPM. I think the idle carburetor > circuit also needs to be cleaned since it doesn't want to run at low speeds. > Nevertheless, even with these small problems, I am happy to hear the engine > run. It starts with the pull rope. > The thread on solder was very helpful. I was to use some of data on flux to > help me solder a new filler cap assembly to the gas tank. I found a bottle > of "Allen's Tinners Acid" and use some of it to clean the solder joint. The > solder flowed very nice into the inside the tank filler joint and around the > outside perimeter. l rinsed the inside of the tank with muriatic acid to > clean some of the internal rust. > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA Nice to hear of another one running! PS Why do you Yanks insist on using an ancient name for Hydrochloric acid? (muriatic acid ) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 16:39:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:39:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs In-Reply-To: <001301c5a123$ec72f010$fa4c1152@no1> References: <8d.2d1dc489.30312077@aol.com> <001301c5a123$ec72f010$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814192144.03d30c38@mail.alltel.net> >PS Why do you Yanks insist on using an ancient name for Hydrochloric acid? >(muriatic acid ) >Dave Croft It's because we don't know what the hell "crisps" are! Dave From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 14 17:53:51 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:53:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Needed: Madison Kipp oiler parts References: <200508141814.j7EIEZUY048977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00e901c5a133$cf3099c0$24d34c0c@D48VHZ61> This is who Madison sold the oiler line to: LUBRIQUIP, INC. 2041 S. Stoughton Rd Madison, WI 53716-0999 USA PHONE: (608)221-1100 or 1-800-275-5574 FAX: (608)221-8411 E-MAIL: info.lubriquip at idexcorp.com They told me last week they only have a couple of gaskets and maybe the top part of the oiler with the glass in it. Everything else was obsoleted in the 80's. If anyone knows of someone supplying parts I would love to have their contact info. John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Needed: Madison Kipp oiler parts > This is being posted for my friend, Bob Helm, who doesn't use computers. > He's > looking for three individual oiler assemblies for a Madison-Kipp Model 50. > If > you have something, email me with your phone number and I can have Bob > call you, > or you can call Bob directly at 909-629-1662. > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 14 18:11:38 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:11:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <002f01c5a136$49ea3980$230110ac@PAUL> Ok gang I have tried everything I know including Yahoo and Google to locate the telephone number of this guy. Can someone help me: I need to find the telephone number of: John Faccin 431 Lind rd. Crystal Falls, Michigan 49920 I will appreciate any help anyone can offer me in locating a telephone number on this guy. Many Thanks Paul From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Aug 14 18:42:23 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:42:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> You might call Leo Faccin at (906) 875-6222 and get the number. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Paul Maples > To: Stationary Engine List > Date: 8/14/2005 9:33:25 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > > Ok gang I have tried everything I know including Yahoo and Google to locate the telephone number of this guy. Can someone help me: I need to find the telephone number of: > > > John Faccin > 431 Lind rd. > Crystal Falls, Michigan > 49920 > > I will appreciate any help anyone can offer me in locating a telephone number on this guy. > > Many Thanks > > Paul From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Aug 14 18:45:35 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:45:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <410-22005811514535671@coastalnet.com> Forgot to mention that you could ask this on the Off Topic list without bothering anyone;-) http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic Ken From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:06:26 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:06:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <410-22005811514535671@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005811514535671@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814220508.03db0298@mail.alltel.net> At 09:45 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >Forgot to mention that you could ask this on the Off Topic list >without bothering anyone;-) >http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > >Ken Come on Ken, you know that would be too easy! Dave PS, School, books, eat! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 14 19:08:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:08:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone References: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <005401c5a13e$3c416490$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Ken I will try that. Also tried to subscribe to the OT lost but never got on for some reason so I gave up and this has been several weeks ago ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > You might call Leo Faccin at (906) 875-6222 > and get the number. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:19:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:19:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814220917.03dcef00@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ken, It's my understanding that Leo is John's great uncle on his (ie, John's mother's) side. Leo and John's grandfather fought a dual in 1898 and John's grandfather was killed. Leo is now the eldest Faccin, but no one talks to him much and (I'm told) that he does not answer his phone very much. I get this information from Fran Faccin (ne Crunt) I sure hope that this helps some! Dave At 09:42 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >You might call Leo Faccin at (906) 875-6222 >and get the number. > >Ken > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Maples > > To: Stationary Engine List > > Date: 8/14/2005 9:33:25 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > > > > Ok gang I have tried everything I know including Yahoo and Google to >locate the telephone number of this guy. Can someone help me: I need to >find the telephone number of: > > > > > > John Faccin > > 431 Lind rd. > > Crystal Falls, Michigan > > 49920 > > > > I will appreciate any help anyone can offer me in locating a telephone >number on this guy. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Paul > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:28:41 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:28:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Goat????????????? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814222202.03de8e88@mail.alltel.net> Reg, Have you stopped hanging around with this guy? Does Marg know about the goat? Didn't I tell you to stop hanging around with guys from New Zealand? Damn, this is all so embarrassing! Dave PS, I can understand the rabbits! PPS, Was the goat good? PPPS, See: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3376275a11,00.html From old_iron at msn.com Sun Aug 14 19:31:36 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:31:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event In-Reply-To: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us non-drinkers. Peg Pfeiffer >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 > >Hi Folks, > >This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka >chips) >Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. >If >you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and >your >favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and >ice >for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better >than >last year. 8-)) > >See ya at Portland!! Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:51:13 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:51:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event In-Reply-To: References: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peg, I take this to mean that you will be keeping records for the ATIS Charity Auction as well. GREAT!!!!!!!!! See you at Baraboo! Dvae At 10:31 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us >non-drinkers. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: fero_ah at city-net.com >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: Stationary Engine List >>Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka chips) >>Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. >>If >>you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and your >>favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler >>and ice >>for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better than >>last year. 8-)) >> >>See ya at Portland!! Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 14 20:07:40 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:07:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event References: Message-ID: <013001c5a146$823289e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Better take yer flippers too. Just in case !! I am impatiently awaiting photos of the event. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event > Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us > non-drinkers. > > Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: fero_ah at city-net.com >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: Stationary Engine List >>Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka >>chips) >>Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. >>If >>you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and >>your >>favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and >>ice >>for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better >>than >>last year. 8-)) >> >>See ya at Portland!! Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 15 07:41:00 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:41:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! Message-ID: Since the EHOWT in 2002, I haven't had a big road trip. A week ago a collector friend of mine asked if I was interested in going to the Rollag show this year. He had bought a couple of engines which needed to be picked up as well. So this past week I've been making phone calls, planning routes, etc. for the latest Hell On Wheels Tour. 10 days of non-stop driving long distances and visiting as many collectors as possible and attending at least one show. All the stops haven't been finalized yet, but here's an idea of what we're doing. I'll start out around 2am on the 27th to drive up to Washington with my trailer to my friends place. There we'll hook his new pickup to my trailer, and we'll head out for eastern Idaho (about 800 miles away) to see a mini-show being held at a collectors home and pick up a couple of engines for delivery to Nebraska. The next morning we'll be around Salt Lake City to visit a collector, then head to Wyoming to pick up a vertical Famous. Next day we'll visit a few collections in Nebraska. Next day we'll visit a few collections in Iowa. Next day we'll be in Minnesota to pick up a 5hp FM N, plus visit as many collections as we can. We'll be at the Rollag show on Friday and Saturday (Sept 2-3). On Sunday the 4th, we'll be in Montana and visit a few collections. On Monday (Labor Day) we'll return home, plus I've go the extra drive to get back to my home so I can be back at work the next day :-( So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. George From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Aug 15 08:03:47 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050815150347.56332.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> George I plan on being at Rollag on Friday Sept 2. Steve Barr --- "Best, George" wrote: So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. George -------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Aug 15 08:09:44 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:09:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46154.199.62.0.252.1124118584.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i'll be there with a 2hp vert. OTTO. marv in minn > So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members > will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. > > George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 15 08:20:44 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:20:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag Message-ID: Guess that will be the second location I will have seen that particular engine. Saw it in California several years ago before you bought it. ;-) I'll be looking forward to seeing it run. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MARVIN HEDBERG > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:10 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag > > i'll be there with a 2hp vert. OTTO. > > marv in minn > > > So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any > SEL members > > will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. > > > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 15 08:22:05 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:22:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Steve Barr > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! > > George > > I plan on being at Rollag on Friday Sept 2. > > Steve Barr Great! Will you be exhibiting anything? (makes it easier to find you) George From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Aug 15 09:13:03 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16239.199.62.0.252.1124122383.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> looks like this now. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4002561&a=31692538&p=71777239 ran like a clock this past weekend. marv > Guess that will be the second location I will have seen that particular engine. Saw it in California several years ago before you bought it. ;-) > > I'll be looking forward to seeing it run. > > George From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 15 09:29:23 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:29:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> Aside from a little paint touch up work, Devin's Baker Monitor/pump jack is finished. Got the wooden pump arms finished on Saturday and ran it Saturday afternoon and all of Sunday. Have been pleasantly surprised that no oil is sloshing over the wings on the main bearing caps. I put 1 quart of oil in the engine and it seems to be sloshing plenty up top, but it is all staying inside the crankcase. I'd like to say it ran without a glitch, but it didn't. I've come to the conclusion that there are some timing problems, specifically related to the Model T buzz coil. With any electro-mechanical device there will be some time delay upon activation. That's not a problem if it is a consistent delay. I've slowed this engine down a bit and as you all know slow engines have to have accurate ignition. Early ignition will reverse the engine. Yesterday I played with setting the timing closer to TDC to account for the slow speed and the inconsistent buzzing of the buzz coil. In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played with adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will work within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure like to know how. This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of Model T's! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From MBellar at aol.com Mon Aug 15 09:55:51 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:55:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors Message-ID: <8.6e5e8189.30322317@aol.com> A good friend of mine who is an avid collector of IHC machinery was recently interviewed by National Public Radio. If any of you are interested in the story and eye candy check out _www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431_ (http://www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431) . Wendell is currently restoring a Rumley OILTurn stationary engine that sets on a cart that would fill a single car garage past capacity. Some time in the future I hope to have some pictures of the Rumley. I will need help to post them for the List to see. Tom Bellar From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Aug 15 10:26:41 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:26:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: <15a5c1157e71.157e7115a5c1@southeast.rr.com> Curt: As a Model T driver this has no effect whatsoever. Come by for a lesson anytime! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Date: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:29 pm Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question > Aside from a little paint touch up work, Devin's Baker > Monitor/pump jack > is finished. Got the wooden pump arms finished on Saturday and ran > it > Saturday afternoon and all of Sunday. Have been pleasantly > surprised > that no oil is sloshing over the wings on the main bearing caps. I > put 1 > quart of oil in the engine and it seems to be sloshing plenty up > top, > but it is all staying inside the crankcase. > I'd like to say it ran without a glitch, but it didn't. I've come > to the > conclusion that there are some timing problems, specifically > related to > the Model T buzz coil. With any electro-mechanical device there > will be > some time delay upon activation. That's not a problem if it is a > consistent delay. > I've slowed this engine down a bit and as you all know slow > engines have > to have accurate ignition. Early ignition will reverse the engine. > Yesterday I played with setting the timing closer to TDC to > account for > the slow speed and the inconsistent buzzing of the buzz coil. > In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played > with > adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will > work > within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure > like to > know how. > This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of > Model T's! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Mon Aug 15 10:45:30 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:45:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then only getting my first course maybe. Peg >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:51:13 -0400 > >Hi Peg, I take this to mean that you will be keeping records for the ATIS >Charity Auction as well. GREAT!!!!!!!!! See you at Baraboo! > Dvae > >At 10:31 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >>Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us >>non-drinkers. >> >>Peg Pfeiffer >> >>>From: fero_ah at city-net.com >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: Stationary Engine List >>>Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >>>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 >>> >>>Hi Folks, >>> >>>This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka >>>chips) >>>Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red >>>River. >>>If >>>you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and >>>your >>>favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler >>>and ice >>>for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better >>>than >>>last year. 8-)) >>> >>>See ya at Portland!! Arnie >>> >>>Arnie Fero >>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>fero_ah at city-net.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 15 11:01:37 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:01:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: <15a5c1157e71.157e7115a5c1@southeast.rr.com> References: <15a5c1157e71.157e7115a5c1@southeast.rr.com> Message-ID: <4300D881.3070706@imc-group.com> Mike, Ken C. and Arnie have sent me Dyke's instructions for adjusting the buzz coils. Will give this a try this evening. Curt mr at carolina.rr.com wrote: >Curt: > As a Model T driver this has no effect whatsoever. Come by for a >lesson anytime! > >Mike Royster > >----- Original Message ----- > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 15 11:06:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> References: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, > In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played with > adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will work > within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure like to > know how. > This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of Model T's! I just emailed you a page of buzz coil adjustment instructions copied from an early Dyke's. However there are several things that are critical to your success with these adjustments. When doing the adjustment of the "buzz", there is reference made to the sound of an angry hornet. In order to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He should then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should note the sound that the angry hornets make. Now go back to the garage and adjust the buzz coil. However, precise adjustment requires further calibration. Observing how the engine runs and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold the lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you adjust the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. Measure the height of each jump and adjust accordingly. Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high Devin-jump. Good luck!! See ya at Portland! Arnie PS - If Devin becomes "physically unable to perform" his part in this process, I'm sure that Missy would be a trooper and would "step up" for the cause!! From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 15 12:04:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:04:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: References: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4300E73E.5030205@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > > > >Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high >Devin-jump. Good luck!! > > Who sez white boys cain't jump! :-) Curt From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 12:39:51 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:39:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> On 8/15/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then > only getting my first course maybe. > > Peg > T-shirt - must remember to bring that back this year, Peg! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 15 12:58:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Soooo, Peter, what are you doing with Peg's T-shirt? 8->>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8/15/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then > > only getting my first course maybe. > > Peg > > T-shirt - must remember to bring that back this year, Peg! > Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:50:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:50:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605081513501e529462@mail.gmail.com> On 8/15/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Soooo, Peter, what are you doing with Peg's T-shirt? 8->>> > Well..... A gentleman wouldn't tell tales on a Lady now would he? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 15 13:51:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:51:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050815165114.03e82298@mail.alltel.net> At 01:45 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote: >I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then >only getting my first course maybe. > >Peg You got it Peg! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 15 15:56:37 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:56:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Going to Rollag Show References: <20050815150347.56332.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c5a1ec$97d464c0$546ea618@pengy> I am now the US editor of the Bulletin for the International Stationary Steam Engine Society and am always looking for material to publish. If anyone is going to Rollag and wouldn't mind taking some photos of the stationary steam engines and noting what engines they have and what was under steam, I could then put together a news article from the info. and pictures for the Bulletin. I cannot go to the show but if someone else could be my eyes and ears I sure would appreciate it. Thanks Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! > George > > I plan on being at Rollag on Friday Sept 2. > > Steve Barr > > --- "Best, George" wrote: > > > So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members will > be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. > > George > > -------- > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 17:59:18 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:59:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russians in Portland Message-ID: <410-22005821605918500@earthlink.net> Hi all, Leaving for Portland in the morning. Steff will be joining me on Saturday with Nikolai and Yuriy in tow (she will have a wonderful 12 hour drive with them). Portland will be their first engine show (saved the best for first) so they should be completly entertained but be prepaired as as they ask more questions than I could ever answer and they are easy to push off on an unsuspecting person. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 16 00:21:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:21:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors In-Reply-To: <8.6e5e8189.30322317@aol.com> References: <8.6e5e8189.30322317@aol.com> Message-ID: <43019413.40404@steamengine.com.au> That link does not work, but http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4798431 does :) Paul MBellar at aol.com wrote: > A good friend of mine who is an avid collector of IHC machinery was recently > interviewed by National Public Radio. If any of you are interested in the > story and eye candy check out _www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431_ > (http://www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431) . Wendell is > currently restoring a Rumley OILTurn stationary engine that sets on a cart that > would fill a single car garage past capacity. Some time in the future I hope to > have some pictures of the Rumley. I will need help to post them for the List > to see. > > Tom Bellar > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 From blufire at runbox.com Tue Aug 16 02:33:49 2005 From: blufire at runbox.com (blufire) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:49 +0930 Subject: [SEL] She's finally home. Sorta OT References: <42FFC68B.8050508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c5a245$c3c8d850$63e8a6cb@yourvrozpt3zvx> What a good looking machine Jeff. Well worthy of restoring and saving. Mark Pavy Adelaide Sth Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: [SEL] She's finally home. Sorta OT > Hi all, > > Today the Red-E walk behind machine made it home. I paid for it about a > year ago. She was headed for Portland and neither of us made it. In > October she made the trip to Colby, KS for storage from another complete > stranger. My plan was to pick her up when I went to Bird City for the > show. It didn't work out, as the one storing it was in Denver that > weekend. My buddy made a parts search trip last week into Iowa and > Nebraska. He dropped down to Colby and picked it up yesterday. Today we > unloaded. > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Sure is perty to me. Gas tank/tool > box, good flywheel, and great set of handles. Hate to part her out, but > have no choice. Sometimes you gotta make one out of two. If you care to > take a look at the old girl: > > http://oldirongallery.com/re.html > > Happy day for me and I think we're all insane. Great state of mind. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 16 04:00:23 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:00:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Announcing new engine parameter and dating datbase - I need YOU to help please! Message-ID: <4301C747.2010403@steamengine.com.au> I've just developed a new database hosted from Steam & Engine. The purpose of this database is to record engine details for a particular machine to enable people working on similar engines to get the information they need and possibly to roughly date their engine. This idea will only work if it gets a lot of engines in the database, so if you have a few minutes to spare, jump on and put in whatever details you know about your engine(s). It is perfectly ok to be anonymous. If you cannot answer all the questions, just answer what you can - speaking as a restorer - any detail is better than no detail! http://www.steamengine.com.au/cgi-bin/schema?schema=tuning.schema The information it asks for is: Engine Brand and Model : Date range this model was made eg. 1921-1932 : Company that built this engine : Type : Governing : Cooling : Serial Number (if known) : Specific Year (if known) : Rated HP @ RPM eg. 5 at 300 : Flywheel Diameter x Width eg. 20" x 4" : Compression Ratio nn : n eg: 5:1 : Displacement in cubic inches : Ignition : Ignition Timing - degrees before TDC : Injection Pressure (if injected) : Pump Timing (if injected) degrees before TDC : Bore x Stroke : Gudgeon Pin Diameter : Inlet Valve Clearance : Exhaust Valve Clearance : Piston Ring Size(s) : Magneto Type : Original sparkplug type : Current equivalent sparkplug type : Fuel : Fuel tank capacity : Water capacity : Oil capacity : Oil Type : Registry contact or URL : Paint colours : This engine was used for (if known) : Additional Information & Starting Instructions: If you can think of anything else that should be included, give me a yell off list and I'll add it. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 16 04:28:18 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:28:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... Message-ID: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag Australia through their warranty registration site... I wonder if anyone there will wake up to it? Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 16 05:31:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:31:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> References: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4301DCBC.4070304@imc-group.com> Paul, Be expecting a recall notice any day now! :-) Be a good chap and conform to the recall notice and send your engine back as part of this international eradication initiative. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag > Australia through their warranty registration site... I wonder if > anyone there will wake up to it? > > Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 06:29:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> References: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Paul, No worries there mate. The damn things never run so they can't wear out. The warrenty issue is a doddle. 8-))) See ya, Arnie PS - You should keep track of the number of abusive emails you receive. On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag Australia > through their warranty registration site... I wonder if anyone there > will wake up to it? From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 16 07:02:09 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:02:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: Hi Arnie, LOL. Very funny. Devin PS. Remember, Mom and I read the list at home. > Hi Curt, > > > In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played with > > adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will work > > within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure like to > > know how. > > This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of Model T's! > > I just emailed you a page of buzz coil adjustment instructions copied from > an early Dyke's. However there are several things that are critical to > your success with these adjustments. When doing the adjustment of the > "buzz", there is reference made to the sound of an angry hornet. In order > to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the > woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He should > then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should note the > sound that the angry hornets make. > > Now go back to the garage and adjust the buzz coil. However, precise > adjustment requires further calibration. Observing how the engine runs > and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative > measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold the > lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you adjust > the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. Measure the > height of each jump and adjust accordingly. > > Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high > Devin-jump. Good luck!! > > See ya at Portland! Arnie > > PS - If Devin becomes "physically unable to perform" his part in this > process, I'm sure that Missy would be a trooper and would "step up" for > the cause!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 07:44:50 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Devin, It's a good thing that you read the list on a regular basis. You'll learn a lot... Occasionally even stuff about engines. 8-)) Two things to remember on the advice I gave your dad. When you go out to look for that hornet's nest to poke with the sharp stick; make sure that your dad (or mom) is with you. And when you and your dad are doing the Devin-jump testing of the buzz coil, make sure that you are touching your dad (or mom) during the tests. That part is VERY important!! 8-)) See ya at Portland!! Arnie On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Missy Holland wrote: > Hi Arnie, > LOL. Very funny. > Devin > PS. Remember, Mom and I read the list at home. > > > to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the > > woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He > > should then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should > > note the sound that the angry hornets make. > > > > and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative > > measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold > > the lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you > > adjust the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. > > Measure the height of each jump and adjust accordingly. > > > > Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high > > Devin-jump. Good luck!! From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 16 08:39:10 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:39:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally have something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real healthy respect for buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more comfortable. I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday afternoon and took these two pictures. and The whole documentation is still on the web site at: Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. Curt, Missy, & Devin Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 09:15:37 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! In-Reply-To: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> References: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Devin, > Devin is very excited about > taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not > real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because > it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real > healthy respect for buzz coils now! heh-heh-heh So how's he feel about hornets? 8-)) > Maybe we can find some sort of > rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more > comfortable. No real engine man would ever consider something so wussy!! Next thing you'll have OSHA in to inspect the open gears on the pumpjack! 8-)) > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > Looks GREAT!! I can't wait to see & hear it running! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Aug 16 10:06:22 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:06:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! In-Reply-To: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> References: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050816120536.049b6368@mail.herculesengines.com> Curt and Devin What a great looking outfit. Congratulations! Can't wait to see it in action next week. Keith At 10:39 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote: >It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of >work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally have >something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about taking his >engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not real keen on >holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because it is so near >the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real healthy respect for >buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of rubber boot to go over the >end of the plug to make him feel more comfortable. >I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday >afternoon and took these two pictures. > >and > > >The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > >Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. >Curt, Missy, & Devin >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MBellar at aol.com Tue Aug 16 10:19:40 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:19:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors Message-ID: <102.672e102a.30337a2c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2005 3:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: That link does not work, but http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4798431 does :) Paul Thank's for the correction Paul. Someday I will learn to type what I see instead of what I think I see. Tom From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 16 10:39:42 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:39:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: <317cb34cfb.34cfb317cb@southeast.rr.com> Now that is one great looking job! I can't wait to see it in person at Portland. Well done guys!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:39 am Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and > weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to > finally > have something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited > about > taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is > not > real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, > because > it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real > healthy respect for buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of > rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more > comfortable. > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds > yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > > > The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > > Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. > Curt, Missy, & Devin > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 16 11:26:20 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:26:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I'm working a little bit on my 5hp Galloway round rod. The moveable shaft in the ignitor was stuck so I took it off the engine, removed what I could and put it in an electrolysis bath for a bit. Was then able to remove the moveable shaft and the rest of the pieces. I know I need a new ignitor spring and mica washers. The stationary shaft is probably useable. I'm not sure if I'll make a new one yet or not. The points have me scratching my head though. On the moveable shaft the point looks like it is part of the cast piece. It doesn't appear to be soldered on. I'm not sure what to do with it. File it flat and use it? Drill it out and replace it? On the stationary shaft the point looks like a sleeve that was slid onto the end of the shaft, then the shaft peened over to hold it on. On this 'sleeve' there are two depressions. One is deep and the other is shallow. Why are there two of them? When I took it apart the shallow depression was lining up with the point on the moveable shaft. It appears that I can clean this 'sleeve' up really good and possibly use it. Pictures of the ignitor and points can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html Any suggestions, comments, ideas, tips????? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 16 12:11:51 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:11:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: True, true. Devin > Hi Devin, > > It's a good thing that you read the list on a regular basis. You'll learn > a lot... Occasionally even stuff about engines. 8-)) > > Two things to remember on the advice I gave your dad. When you go out to > look for that hornet's nest to poke with the sharp stick; make sure that > your dad (or mom) is with you. And when you and your dad are doing the > Devin-jump testing of the buzz coil, make sure that you are touching your > dad (or mom) during the tests. That part is VERY important!! 8-)) > > See ya at Portland!! Arnie > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Missy Holland wrote: > > > Hi Arnie, > > LOL. Very funny. > > Devin > > PS. Remember, Mom and I read the list at home. > > > > > to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the > > > woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He > > > should then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should > > > note the sound that the angry hornets make. > > > > > > and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative > > > measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold > > > the lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you > > > adjust the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. > > > Measure the height of each jump and adjust accordingly. > > > > > > Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high > > > Devin-jump. Good luck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 16 14:52:47 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:52:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russians in Portland In-Reply-To: <410-22005821605918500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Looking forward to meeting them! Remember us Grandma's tend to have more patience than Mom and Dad have. Peg Pfeiffer PS: we will get to Portland the day after your B-day and Bill's 60th is on the 23rd. >From: "Tim Christoff" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Russians in Portland >Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:59:18 -0500 > >Hi all, > >Leaving for Portland in the morning. Steff will be joining me on Saturday >with Nikolai and Yuriy in tow (she will have a wonderful 12 hour drive with >them). Portland will be their first engine show (saved the best for first) >so they should be completly entertained but be prepaired as as they ask >more questions than I could ever answer and they are easy to push off on an >unsuspecting person. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 16 14:55:31 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:55:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He Arnie, our local repair shop still has all the parts on their microfiche, and they told me as long as they had that they could still get parts. And guess what they were able to get the decals. Peg >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Paul, > >No worries there mate. The damn things never run so they can't wear out. >The warrenty issue is a doddle. 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - You should keep track of the number of abusive emails you receive. > >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > > For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag Australia > > through their warranty registration site... I wonder if anyone there > > will wake up to it? > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 16 15:30:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:30:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed References: Message-ID: Regarding the sleeve Luke, I know what your're talking about..Gawd knows why they would sleeve the stationary ignitor shaft. One would think if anything, they'd have sleeved the moveable one. I don't have a clue why the slots....never seen them As far a contacts go..if there's any meat left, I dress them up and live with it..If replacing, I've heard of using everything from stainless steel rivets to nails. Hope this helps a little!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed > Hello Everybody, > > I'm working a little bit on my 5hp Galloway round rod. The moveable shaft > in > the ignitor was stuck so I took it off the engine, removed what I could > and > put it in an electrolysis bath for a bit. Was then able to remove the > moveable shaft and the rest of the pieces. I know I need a new ignitor > spring and mica washers. The stationary shaft is probably useable. I'm not > sure if I'll make a new one yet or not. > > The points have me scratching my head though. On the moveable shaft the > point looks like it is part of the cast piece. It doesn't appear to be > soldered on. I'm not sure what to do with it. File it flat and use it? > Drill > it out and replace it? > > On the stationary shaft the point looks like a sleeve that was slid onto > the > end of the shaft, then the shaft peened over to hold it on. On this > 'sleeve' > there are two depressions. One is deep and the other is shallow. Why are > there two of them? When I took it apart the shallow depression was lining > up > with the point on the moveable shaft. It appears that I can clean this > 'sleeve' up really good and possibly use it. Pictures of the ignitor and > points can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Any suggestions, comments, ideas, tips????? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 17:53:55 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:53:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Peg, heh-heh-heh. Yep, all good parts, looking good with fresh paint and decals, and the damn things STILL won't start. 8-))) I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't be there this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. See ya, Arnie Quoting William J Pfeiffer Sr : > He Arnie, our local repair shop still has all the parts on their microfiche, > and they told me as long as they had that they could still get parts. > And guess what they were able to get the decals. > Peg From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 16 18:09:28 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:09:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: > I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't > be there > this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. I guess you'll have to deliver mine too, Arnie, since I can't make it there this year. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Aug 16 18:48:55 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:48:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Questions about Portland Message-ID: <43029787.9080705@fidnet.com> I haven't been to Portland as an exhibitor nor have I camped there. I have some questions. Does the camping fee include admission to the show grounds or is admission additional? Is the answer the same for an exhibitor as for someone who is camping and not exhibiting? If the daily admission is free for an exhibitor, what is the situation for a spouse? Does the spouse have to pay a daily admission? Gary -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 16 19:02:45 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:02:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: On the road again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We leave for Baraboo tomorrow around 8:00 AM, leave there Sunday and head to Portland, where we will not only be celebrating the 40th Tri-State Engine Show but on the 23rd we will be celebrating Bill's 60th B-day. See you at the shows! Peg >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:09:28 -0400 > >>I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't be >>there >>this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. > >I guess you'll have to deliver mine too, Arnie, since I can't make it there >this year. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 19:34:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:34:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4302A22A.8080708@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, The confusion runs deeper now. If none of them run, how can they possibly smoke you out at a show? :-) Third kick on Sunday for the short one. Kickbacks don't launch him anymore. Sigh! Enjoy Portland all of you. Jeff Allen fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hiya Peg, > >heh-heh-heh. Yep, all good parts, looking good with fresh paint and decals, and >the damn things STILL won't start. 8-))) > >I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't be there >this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting William J Pfeiffer Sr : > > > >>He Arnie, our local repair shop still has all the parts on their microfiche, >>and they told me as long as they had that they could still get parts. >>And guess what they were able to get the decals. >>Peg >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Aug 16 19:45:16 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:45:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! References: 70879121 Message-ID: <000a01c5a2d5$b36c2530$0301a8c0@Cam> Hey, that's a top job, it's certainly worth the effort that you two put into it. Hope you get a lot of pleasure out of it Devin. Cheers Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally have > something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about taking his > engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not real keen on > holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because it is so near > the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real healthy respect for > buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of rubber boot to go over the > end of the plug to make him feel more comfortable. > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > > > The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > > Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. > Curt, Missy, & Devin > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 17 00:40:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 00:40:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508170740.j7H7eqQI038970@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > On this 'sleeve' here are two depressions. One is deep > and the other is shallow. Hi Luke, I think what you're looking at on the stationary shaft is erosion. If the point of contact wears excessively, you can rotate the shaft to a clean spot. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 17 05:32:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:32:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! References: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Well Curt, it was a lot of fun following you and Devin along with your project. It should give you many years of enjoyment and great memories in the future. Congrats to you both, she looks great. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally > have something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about > taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not > real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because > it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real > healthy respect for buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of > rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more > comfortable. > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > > > The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > > Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. > Curt, Missy, & Devin > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 17 05:39:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Questions about Portland In-Reply-To: <43029787.9080705@fidnet.com> References: <43029787.9080705@fidnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, The best deal is to be an exhibitor! As an exhibitor you pay a one-time $5 campground maintenance fee. You and your spouse get free admission to the show. If you just attend the show, camping costs $10 per day and admission to the show is $4 per person per day. So make room for that engine and go to Portland as an exhibitor!! See ya at Portland!! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Gary Epps wrote: > I haven't been to Portland as an exhibitor nor have I camped there. I > have some questions. Does the camping fee include admission to the show > grounds or is admission additional? Is the answer the same for an > exhibitor as for someone who is camping and not exhibiting? If the > daily admission is free for an exhibitor, what is the situation for a > spouse? Does the spouse have to pay a daily admission? From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 14:54:37 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:54:37 Subject: [SEL] On and OT. Tangye engine and Austin car logo -Sorry! In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508171458718.SM01188@new> Hi all Sorry about this off topic - but I have not fathomed the Off Topic list thing out yet. Please reply off list. This will probably be for the Brits or Aussies. We are having our clubs annual show in 2 weeks - Our club covers Cars, Tractors, Engines, agricultural equipment and steam. The car guys have just come to me and asked me to make them a banner with the "Austin" name on it in the original script as well as the "wings" logo. Amazingly enough they cannot give me a good copy of either. I've spent about 2 hours on the net looking at car clubs and such but cannot find anything decent to copy. It preferably needs to be a "straight on" picture of reasonable size and definition. Any help will be much appreciated. I'm leaving here at 4.00am tomorrow to travel about 800 miles to the Cape Province with some of these car guys to collect some cars that they have bought. I will only get back late on Sunday or maybe only Monday so may not get any replies from you guys until then. I will reply to all then. The reason I am going with is that I know of a very big "Wood gas producer" Tangye engine on an uncles farm near where they are going and would like to photograph it. It is too derelict and big for me to consider as a restoration project but I plan on photographing it and putting it up on my webpage. This engine dates back to the early 1900's and was shipped to Port Elizabeth and moved inland by ox wagon. I have known about it for a number of years but not had the chance to get down there - hence the lift with the car guys is handy. TO ALL YOU LUCKY BUGGERS GOING TO PORTLAND - HAVE A GREAT TIME. Best wishes Jerry Evans in South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 13:43:40 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:43:40 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050817134340.009de0d8@127.0.0.1> Message: 10 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:19:40 EDT From: MBellar at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Message-ID: <102.672e102a.30337a2c at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/16/2005 3:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: That link does not work, but http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4798431 does :) Paul Thank's for the correction Paul. Someday I will learn to type what I see instead of what I think I see. Tom Hi Tom, Maybe you should learn to "copy an paste" much easier and no mistakes :-) Jerry in SA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 13:47:51 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:47:51 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508171458265.SM01188@new> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:39:10 -0400 From: Curt Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! To: SEL Message-ID: <4302089E.4030609 at imc-group.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Good luck at Portland Well done Devin - that looks fantastic - how old are you? Regards Jerry Evans in South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mholland at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 17 06:38:22 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:38:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: Hi Jerry, I am 12. Devin Gastonia, NC > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:39:10 -0400 > From: Curt > Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > To: SEL > Message-ID: <4302089E.4030609 at imc-group.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! > Good luck at Portland > > Well done Devin - that looks fantastic - how old are you? > Regards > Jerry Evans in South Africa > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Aug 17 09:58:53 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland References: <200508121617.j7CGHb5Y032411@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Rob, You won't be seeing as much of me as the past few years. Charlie 00000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Insurance - Portland > > > Clarence Lammers and myself and > > Ralph Waters will be at our same vendor spot on Ave. Q that > > Clarence and I have had for several years. > > Hey Charlie, > See you in 11 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes and 4 seconds > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05 > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 17 09:31:44 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <200508121617.j7CGHb5Y032411@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: What Charlie, you don't like us anymore? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Charles R Bryant wrote: > Rob, > > You won't be seeing as much of me as the past few years. > > Charlie From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 18:30:46 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:30:46 Subject: [SEL] OT / Austin artwork In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508171834765.SM00516@new> This list is fantastic, within 3 hours of sending out my request Dave Croft had sent me exactly what I needed. Thanks Dave. I have done the vector conversion and the car guys are very happy. Regards Jerry Evans in SA Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 17 10:02:40 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:02:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <200508171702.j7HH2mfo001338@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > You won't be seeing as much of me as the past few years. > > Charlie Hi Charlie, I think I know where you're going with this. Lemme just give you a friendly warning: don't start no crap! Some of us "well nourished" enginemen will have our women-folk there. We don't need no scrawny Maine dwellers strutting around, looking all ripped, and getting our wives to start thinking about changing our beer and meat rations to mineral water and tofu. Rob From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Aug 17 13:04:38 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:04:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland Message-ID: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi All, Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years trip at the same time. Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water feature in there plot. Best wishes for a good time and even better weather Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 17 14:31:03 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:31:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: <9f.654f3e1b.30350697@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:44:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << It's done! After nearly 5 months >> Curt, Great job you and Devin have done on the restoration and know that he will display it proudly at Portland. Thanks for all the write-ups on how everything was done. Made for nice reading and putting ideas in this old head! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 17 15:27:00 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:27:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sounds good Craig. I look forward to meeting you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland Hi All, Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years trip at the same time. Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water feature in there plot. Best wishes for a good time and even better weather Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Aug 17 16:50:44 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:50:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT / Austin artwork References: <200508171834765.SM00516@new> Message-ID: <000f01c5a386$800abe20$4b9381cb@ogborneuah38i3> Dave beat me to it Jerry........it's the time difference ,he had a start. I was going into town this morning to a friends place ,he has a 1922 Austin , but you are OK now I presume. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] OT / Austin artwork > This list is fantastic, within 3 hours of sending out my request Dave > Croft > had sent me exactly what I needed. Thanks Dave. I have done the vector > conversion and the car guys are very happy. > Regards > Jerry Evans in SA > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery > Alternative ! > We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack > / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition > Loss > (FDISK). > We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. > Visit our site: > http://www.databak.co.za > Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 > Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 > eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za > Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 17 17:41:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:41:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland In-Reply-To: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050817203817.03fe6380@mail.alltel.net> I'll be doG damned. You and Nev are coming all this way and you have not told me that you will be at the ATIS dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday of Portland? Why would you come all this way if you are not going to be at the dinner? Dave >Hi All, > Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been > sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years > trip at the same time. > Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend > Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot > doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if > the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water > feature in there plot. > > Best wishes for a good time and even better weather > Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 17 17:49:25 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:49:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland In-Reply-To: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050817204233.03ffa9d8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Reg, I sure as hell hope that this means what it seems to mean! The three waitresses at the 40 said that they never knew anyone who could take on all three of them an live to see the sun come up the next day. They told me that if you ever came back to the USA that they each had a sister and they bet me that you wouldn't last the night. I've got $50.00 riding on you buddy--don't let me down! Dave PS, They didn't believe the story about you and the 9 sheep! At 06:27 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: >Sounds good Craig. I look forward to meeting you. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:04 AM >Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland > > >Hi All, > Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been > sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years > trip at the same time. > Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland > . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot doesn't > include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if the list > has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water feature in > there plot. > > Best wishes for a good time and even better weather > Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 17 18:01:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:01:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland In-Reply-To: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1124326865.4303ddd144341@webmail.city-net.com> OHMYGAWD!!! Reg, Nev, and Craig all at one show!! Throw in Bambi & Nitro and Baraboo / Portland 2006 will be one for the record books!! Most arrests... Highest bail bond total, etc. Can't wait!! 8->>> Now we just need to make sure that Jim & Dolly attend too ... Off for Baraboo (2005) at 4:00 am Thursday and down to Portland on Monday. Looking forward to seeing everyone there!! See ya, Arnie Quoting R & M Ingold : > Sounds good Craig. I look forward to meeting you. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland. > Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd From asouth at strato.net Wed Aug 17 18:43:09 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT maybe Hope to see some of you in Portland Message-ID: <003701c5a397$0d6b6b60$0600a8c0@ARTHUR> Portland here we come! C'ya there. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Aug 17 21:03:07 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:03:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland In-Reply-To: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine factory. To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page about them: http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm Thanks. Keith From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Aug 17 21:31:24 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:31:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> I wonder if there is any connection with the Clarke-Troller canoe motors (Small outboards) of Detroit Mich. Same spelling same time period I think. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, > the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the > mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With > Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas > Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. > > In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one > of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort > Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him > several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good > information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just > finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see > if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. > His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you > have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a > nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He > even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke > factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been able > to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. > > Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that > he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we > could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland > show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited > him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 > Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) > > There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the > factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent > opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. > Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any > questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine > factory. > > To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page > about them: > http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm > > Thanks. > Keith > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 17 22:11:01 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:11:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Jay Peters model business sold off Message-ID: <046801c5a3b3$3e41f2b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I received this today, It will be of interest to some. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wood To: Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Jay Peters model business sold off Hi Reg, Jay Peters model business was sold off at the Iron Fever show last week. The 1/2 Domestic and the Nanzy were purchased by: Bob Herder 2 Spring Mountain Rd. Califon, NJ 07830 908-832-4184 http://members.tripod.com/bobherder Bob is already selling his own model kits and these two kits expand his product line. He intends on selling parts to people that need them. He is taking orders now, and expects to be ready in a couple of months. The 1/2 Olds and 1/3 Associated were purchased by another man near York, PA. These 2 kits will take longer getting to market. He is a new entry in the model kit business and needs time to develop his contacts. He has indicated that he will also sell parts to people that need them. Parts may be available before complete kits. I will know more when I get back from Portland at the end of the month. The 1/4 Olds, L'il Brother, 1/5 Sandwich and the flame licker were either a proxy bid or did not meet the reserve price. Not meeting reserve is the most likely, either way they are in limbo for now. Regards, Bill Wood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 17 23:47:47 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:47:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com > References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050818024430.03c01db0@mail.alltel.net> Got you down for SIX Keith. That makes about 75 for the ATIS dinner and auction! I'll tell Ellen that there will be about 90 of us in order to cover all those who have not indicated they will be there, but none the less decide to attend. See you there! Dave At 12:03 AM 8/18/2005, you wrote: >In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, >the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the >mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With >Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas >Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. > >In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one >of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort >Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him >several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good >information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just >finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see >if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the >engine. His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old >and you have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have >such a nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep >it". He even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the >Clarke factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only >been able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. > >Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that >he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we >could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland >show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited >him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 >Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) > >There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the >factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent >opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that >experience. Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to >ask him any questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas >engine factory. > >To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page >about them: >http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm > >Thanks. >Keith > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Aug 18 04:56:54 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:56:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <001b01c5a3eb$f28a2930$6e9481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Can't answer your question Roger but i had a Clarke Troller ,beautiful example of cast alloy. I did a swap for another marine engine . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland >I wonder if there is any connection with the Clarke-Troller canoe motors > (Small outboards) of Detroit Mich. Same spelling same time period I think. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of cool antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Kinney" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:03 PM > Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > > >> In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, >> the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until >> the mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. >> With Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the >> Clarke Gas Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. >> >> In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one >> of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort >> Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him >> several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good >> information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just >> finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see >> if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. >> His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you >> have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a >> nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He >> even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke >> factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been >> able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. >> >> Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that >> he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we >> could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland >> show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited >> him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 >> Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) >> >> There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the >> factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent >> opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. >> Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any >> questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine >> factory. >> >> To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page >> about them: >> http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm >> >> Thanks. >> Keith >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 18 05:05:02 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:05:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <200508171702.j7HH2mfo001338@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200508171702.j7HH2mfo001338@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4304796E.2070204@steamengine.com.au> Sounds like you're going to have to move from LA to Berkeley Rob :) Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > Hi Charlie, > I think I know where you're going with this. Lemme just give you a friendly > warning: don't start no crap! > > Some of us "well nourished" enginemen will have our women-folk there. We don't > need no scrawny Maine dwellers strutting around, looking all ripped, and getting > our wives to start thinking about changing our beer and meat rations to mineral > water and tofu. > > Rob > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Thu Aug 18 06:47:32 2005 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:47:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <200508181000.j7IA08OQ010752@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Keith, what an amazing story about Berry. Now the next step: We need to get photos of Berry Clarke and his engine in GEM! Better yet, how about the full story on the restoration as well! (GEM regulars might remember that Keith wrote an excellent article on the history of Clarke Gas Engine Company in the March 2002 issue of GEM) Opportunities like this are once in a life time, and it really would be something to have the chance to add to the literature of the history of engines and share it with everyone else in the hobby. The bad part for me is, for the first time since becoming editor of GEM, I won't be in Portland! Probably a relief for some, but it's not making me happy. Since I won't be able to take photos or notes, Keith, can you or anyone else take notes, get photos and otherwise fill in the blanks so we can share this with the rest of the old-iron community? -- Richard S. Backus Editor-in-Chief/Farm Collectibles Farm Collector, Farm Collector Show Directory, Gas Engine Magazine and Steam Traction 1503 SW 42nd St. Topeka, KS 66609-1265 Phone: 785-274-4383 Fax: 785-274-4305 http://www.ogdenpubs.com http://www.farmcollector.com > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:00:09 -0400 > To: > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 18 > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:03:07 -0500 > From: Keith Kinney > Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Message-ID: > <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8 at mail.herculesengines.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, > the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the > mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With > Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas > Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. > > In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one > of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort > Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him > several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good information > about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just finished > restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see if he > would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. His > comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you have > done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a nice web > page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He even mailed > me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke factory. As > you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been able to locate > about a dozen or so Clarke engines. > > Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that > he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we > could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland > show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited him > to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 > Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) > > There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the > factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent > opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that > experience. Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to > ask him any questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas > engine factory. > > To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page > about them: > http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm > > Thanks. > Keith From kkinney at herculesengines.com Thu Aug 18 08:55:45 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:55:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland In-Reply-To: <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050818105517.04a73408@mail.herculesengines.com> No connection that I've been able to identify. Keith At 11:31 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: >I wonder if there is any connection with the Clarke-Troller canoe motors >(Small outboards) of Detroit Mich. Same spelling same time period I think. > >Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, >The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca >Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc >Collector of cool antique engines >Website; scrapologist.com >Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:03 PM >Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > > >>In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, >>the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until >>the mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 >>engines. With Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in >>the Clarke Gas Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. >> >>In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one >>of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort >>Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him >>several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good >>information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just >>finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see >>if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. >>His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you >>have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a >>nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He >>even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke >>factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been >>able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. >> >>Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that >>he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we >>could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland >>show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited >>him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 >>Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) >> >>There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the >>factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent >>opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. >>Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any >>questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine factory. >> >>To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page >>about them: >>http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm >> >>Thanks. >>Keith >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 13:24:09 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:24:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm going to go ahead and see if I can use the existing points. I'll clean them up and get some new mica washers and a new ignitor spring while at Portland. Thanks Everybody. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: "Richard Strobel" > >Regarding the sleeve Luke, I know what your're talking about..Gawd knows >why >they would sleeve the stationary ignitor shaft. One would think if >anything, >they'd have sleeved the moveable one. I don't have a clue why the >slots....never seen them > > As far a contacts go..if there's any meat left, I dress them up and >live >with it..If replacing, I've heard of using everything from stainless steel >rivets to nails. > > Hope this helps a little!! > >RickinMt. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" > > > Hello Everybody, > > > > I'm working a little bit on my 5hp Galloway round rod. The moveable >shaft > > in > > the ignitor was stuck so I took it off the engine, removed what I could > > and > > put it in an electrolysis bath for a bit. Was then able to remove the > > moveable shaft and the rest of the pieces. I know I need a new ignitor > > spring and mica washers. The stationary shaft is probably useable. I'm >not > > sure if I'll make a new one yet or not. > > > > The points have me scratching my head though. On the moveable shaft the > > point looks like it is part of the cast piece. It doesn't appear to be > > soldered on. I'm not sure what to do with it. File it flat and use it? > > Drill > > it out and replace it? > > > > On the stationary shaft the point looks like a sleeve that was slid onto > > the > > end of the shaft, then the shaft peened over to hold it on. On this > > 'sleeve' > > there are two depressions. One is deep and the other is shallow. Why are > > there two of them? When I took it apart the shallow depression was >lining > > up > > with the point on the moveable shaft. It appears that I can clean this > > 'sleeve' up really good and possibly use it. Pictures of the ignitor >and > > points can be seen here: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > > > Any suggestions, comments, ideas, tips????? > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Aug 18 14:13:42 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:13:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.1.2.0.0.20050817203817.03fe6380@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000e01c5a439$b83947e0$82942f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Dave, Old age must be catching up with you I said NEXT YEAR in the post that I sent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland > I'll be doG damned. You and Nev are coming all this way and you have not > told me that you will be at the ATIS dinner and Charity Auction on > Thursday of Portland? Why would you come all this way if you are not going > to be at the dinner? > Dave >>Hi All, >> Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been >> sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years >> trip at the same time. >> Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend >> Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot >> doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if >> the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water >> feature in there plot. >> >> Best wishes for a good time and even better weather >> Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 18 18:30:07 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:30:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 14 HP Kohler - Help Message-ID: <002601c5a45d$90018660$230110ac@PAUL> Hey gang I have a 14 HP Kohler engine on a Snapper Lawnmower that is about 7 years old. When you go to start it the starter just spins like a high pitch airplane propeller but it will not turn the engine over. I am assuming this is like a car starter and that it has a starter bendix that is bad or is there something else it could be. Appreciate any suggestions. This is my son's lawnmower and he just called me tonight and I guess I will go out tomorrow and see what I can so to get it going. Paul From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 19 18:11:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:11:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000901c5a524$2098aed0$039881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 20 02:26:36 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:26:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 30-50 HP slow-speed gas engine Message-ID: <4306F74B.307@comcast.net> I'd like to build my stepson a small ORV.My dimensions are 77" Wide x 132" Long x 6' or so High. I'd like an all Cast-Iron,slow-speed,gas engine of approximately 30-50 Horsepower. Something with a medium-sized flywheel would be fine. This will be a downsized pickup truck-style.He's mentally impaired,and has Cystic Fibrosis,has a quad runner at his dad's...he drives very slowly.Of course, I'll put a speed limiter on it. My idea is to mate this engine to an All-Wheel Drive with locking axles, and automatic transmission. Both front and rear-wheel steering would be great. I'm open to ideas,and please no sarcasm....this is legit. Thanks From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Aug 20 11:58:24 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:58:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland Message-ID: <45.2eaf78bc.3038d750@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/2005 12:15:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kkinney at herculesengines.com writes: << Since I'm 82 years old and you have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it >> Life does not get much better than that! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 20 12:54:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lister engine Message-ID: <43078A8A.8000108@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got this in the inbox. > My father passed away last year and during our sort out of his > collection of mechanical bits we came across a Lister motor. > The information, that we can see on it, is: > 418 SL 110 > HP 3-6 > R RM 1500 Any info on this engine would be apprecaiated. Reply to me and I'll pass the info along. Thanks! Jeff Allen From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 20 16:55:17 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:55:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially our friends from outside the states)? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Aug 21 05:16:18 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:16:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938 Message-ID: <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> Bloody quiet Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [SEL] test > > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Aug 21 05:41:58 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:41:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) Paul cam grundy wrote: > Bloody quiet Peter -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 21 05:52:55 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:52:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003001c5a64f$407eb4c0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC and some say that is outside the States! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland > Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > our friends from outside the states)? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From reb at apex.net Sun Aug 21 06:20:40 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:20:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5a653$20fdd690$0202a8c0@Dads> Leaving in a little while here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland > Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > our friends from outside the states)? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 21 06:55:41 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:55:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> <43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... > the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) > Paul Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is going on!!! When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would let you start causing problems again. d8^) (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Aug 21 06:56:58 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:56:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> <003001c5a64f$407eb4c0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5a658$325c74a0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Just make sure the "Dr" brings his money bag not just his carpet bag. Us Yankees will be waiting for you guys. Charlie B. and Ralph Waters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC and > some > say that is outside the States! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland > > >> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially >> our friends from outside the states)? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 21 08:40:51 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:40:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> <003001c5a64f$407eb4c0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> <000b01c5a658$325c74a0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000e01c5a666$b62e74a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Golly-gee! You northern fellers sure are friendly and concerned with all our well being. Will 10,000 each and a change of clothes be enough, Uncle Charlie? MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > Just make sure the "Dr" brings his money bag not just his carpet bag. Us > Yankees > will be waiting for you guys. > > Charlie B. and Ralph Waters. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > > > > The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC and > > some > > say that is outside the States! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Portland > > > > > >> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > >> our friends from outside the states)? > >> > >> Tommy Turner > >> Magnolia, KY > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 12:22:30 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:22:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# Message-ID: <200508211922.j7LJMZlv032354@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato ,Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Aug 21 12:23:24 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:23:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. Message-ID: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot Bryan Boyce From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun Aug 21 13:09:29 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:09:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RPM of Single Cyl. Tecumseh Engine Message-ID: <013501c5a68c$3cbe8bc0$64bed2cc@pengy> I have a single cylinder horizontal shaft Tecumseh engine from a Toro snowblower. What is the shaft RPM that I can expect to achieve with this engine. In the application that I am considering using it for the speed I need is around 1800 rpm. Thanks Rick From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Aug 21 15:46:40 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:46:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 14 HP Kohler - Help In-Reply-To: <002601c5a45d$90018660$230110ac@PAUL> References: <002601c5a45d$90018660$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050821154234.01b833d0@mail.pennswoods.net> Paul the starter is a lot like an auto starter bendix is replaceable. One item don't hit the side to see if it will help. You will break the fields or break them loose from the sides. If you have it apart put on a new brush end with bushing very easy to fix but not that easy to remove some times. R Fink PA. At 08:30 PM 8/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hey gang I have a 14 HP Kohler engine on a Snapper Lawnmower that is about >7 years old. When you go to start it the starter just spins like a high >pitch airplane propeller but it will not turn the engine over. I am >assuming this is like a car starter and that it has a starter bendix that >is bad or is there something else it could be. Appreciate any suggestions. >This is my son's lawnmower and he just called me tonight and I guess I >will go out tomorrow and see what I can so to get it going. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Aug 21 15:59:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:59:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> <001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. On the other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra Australis ...we did not change our ways that much!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > >> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... >> the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) >> Paul > > Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is going > on!!! > When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would > let you start causing problems again. d8^) > (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Aug 21 19:37:54 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:37:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RPM of Single Cyl. Tecumseh Engine References: <013501c5a68c$3cbe8bc0$64bed2cc@pengy> Message-ID: <00d901c5a6c2$81469540$30c87043@D6R3D961> It would be easy to reach 3600 rpm with this engine, you will need too throttle it down for 1800 rpm use Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: [SEL] RPM of Single Cyl. Tecumseh Engine I have a single cylinder horizontal shaft Tecumseh engine from a Toro snowblower. What is the shaft RPM that I can expect to achieve with this engine. In the application that I am considering using it for the speed I need is around 1800 rpm. Thanks Rick _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Aug 21 20:23:55 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:23:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# Message-ID: <20050821.202355.720.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. Try this: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:22:30 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes: > Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 > Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato ,Ca. > 415 892 > 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 20:43:35 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:43:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# In-Reply-To: <20050821.202355.720.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200508220343.j7M3hd5D095212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Until your better paid ,Thanks. Cya at Tulare! Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:24 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] FM. Ser# Hi Jim. Try this: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:22:30 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes: > Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 > Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato ,Ca. > 415 892 > 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 21 20:44:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:44:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. and OT In-Reply-To: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> References: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> Message-ID: <43094A0F.3050208@earthlink.net> Hi Bill, Quick rule of thumb from someone that does this for a living. The wanna be mechanics and the ones that didn't make it can chime in later. Never bore over .030 on the cylinders, and even then you can have heating problems. You can get away with .020 on the crank, but I prefer no more than .010 under. Stock 454 is one cheap horsepower engine, and the above limits should work fine. Add $5000 and you'll be in the 500 c.i. range with custom cranks, etc. Glad to help more off list if you need. The above limits are what I use and the engines live. Custom turbo Corvette, 7:1 turbo pistons, and it put you sideways when you hammered second gear. Been a day or two but I can still drive em and counter steer when they want to swap ends. Yi Haa!! Gettin to old for that sh*t. I think my recommendations are good. Jeff Allen P.S. off list, whats it in? Bill Boyce wrote: >Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot > >Bryan Boyce >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 21 20:44:31 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:44:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# In-Reply-To: <200508211922.j7LJMZlv032354@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200508220344.j7M3id0J095527@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Jim, Denis Rouleau keeps a list of pre-1911 serial numbers. Go here: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim O'Hagan [mailto:jdohagan at comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:23 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# > > Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 > Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan > ,Novato ,Ca. 415 892 > 0236 From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 21:18:14 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:18:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. In-Reply-To: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> Message-ID: <200508220418.j7M4IIE2005161@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Bill, TRW/Federal Mogul Cat. Lists Std. through .060 replacement pistons. Let your conscience be your guide! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:23 PM To: stationary engine list Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot Bryan Boyce _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Aug 21 20:25:59 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:25:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <430945C7.4060909@fidnet.com> We'll be headed out in the morning from the Ozarks. Is that far enough outside the states? Gary Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > our friends from outside the states)? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Aug 22 02:33:43 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:33:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Can you save these big Rustons? Message-ID: <43099BF7.1010502@steamengine.com.au> http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/sale/ruston/index.html Two Ruston engines seeking new home Save one or both of these engines from scrap! Are you a member of a club with a decent amount of space and resources to move these engines? Or maybe an individual who could do it? Then SAVE them!! Contact Peter Ganza pganza at hillgrove.straits.com.au for more information. The two are located at Hillgrove mine site near Armidale NSW and were put in to supply power to one of the undergrounds before mains power was connected. They actually never performed that duty as mains arrived soon after installing these (so I've been told). They have always been under cover and with a little work will run (again so I've been told by some of the older fellows on site). Have attached some photos (sorry about the blurry one). If you know of any interested persons, please let me know and we can organise a viewing. My contact number is 02 6778 1154. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Aug 22 05:25:11 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. In-Reply-To: <200508220418.j7M4IIE2005161@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> <200508220418.j7M4IIE2005161@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4940.165.206.180.102.1124713511.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Have a machine shop check the block - watch for core shift. I'd limit it to .030 without it being checked, if they check and say it's ok, you can go more. Some blocks you are pushing it at .030 if the walls are thin. You CAN thicken the walls a bit - there is a trick you can use - a substance to pour in the block and allow you to bore more. I've seen SBC's seep water at only .040 over due to thin cylinder walls, so it actually varies from block to block. For our cars, we limit to .030-.040. We sleeve above that. Sleeving is cheap and can get you back in specs fast. I've seen some 390's and 401's go up to .060 over, but I'd not do it. Mine is .040 with one sleeve and custom pistons. The nominal or sweet spot seems to be .040 for us. Almost all after-market pistons are sold at .040. Our blocks are pretty solid and are of high nickel content. They take abuse pretty well. Our 390 and 401 cranks are forged and withstand 7,000 rpm easily with short bursts to 8,000 to 9,000 rpm. We've got no problem with .020 cranks. If you polish off any rough spots and use an oil wiper, you can go faster. Polish and shot-peen the rods and they'll withstand a lot. Be sure to replace the rod, main and head bolts if you have any doubts. A lot of folks like the ARP bolts. I estimate my AMC 390 is cranking 350 hp and it's a cheap non-trick rebuild using mostly stock parts, except for the pistons and cam. I did it all for about 3 grand. A lot depends on what you are looking for - what do you want it to do? I wanted toss you in the back seat torque and second gear rubber with the stock tranny and converter - and got it. The torque links keep the back end planted firmly. Bill > Hi Bill, TRW/Federal Mogul Cat. Lists Std. through .060 replacement > pistons. Let your conscience be your guide! > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:23 PM > To: stationary engine list > Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. > > Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was > wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank > journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot > > Bryan Boyce > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 22 06:32:37 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:32:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> <001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Kinda like Georgia. John On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:59 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and > Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the > Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. > On the > other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra > Australis > ...we did not change our ways that much!!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Aug 22 07:21:52 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:21:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <000e01c5a666$b62e74a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, Tell Uncle Ralph to bring some of his exotic Maine iron collection to share with us southern boys! Steve >From: "Mike Royster" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland >Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:40:51 -0400 > >Golly-gee! You northern fellers sure are friendly and concerned with all >our well being. Will 10,000 each and a change of clothes be enough, Uncle >Charlie? > >MR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles R Bryant" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:56 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > > > > Just make sure the "Dr" brings his money bag not just his carpet bag. Us > > Yankees > > will be waiting for you guys. > > > > Charlie B. and Ralph Waters. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Royster" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > > > > > > > The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC >and > > > some > > > say that is outside the States! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM > > > Subject: [SEL] Portland > > > > > > > > >> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it >(especially > > >> our friends from outside the states)? > > >> > > >> Tommy Turner > > >> Magnolia, KY > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: >8/19/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: >8/19/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 22 09:59:35 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:59:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland Message-ID: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> See http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/onslow.htm This is the website for the Salop Steam Engine society. There are many pictures & even more if you search in the other sections. (Richard Huelin tipped off the UK list about this) It shows the vast range of exhibits & crafts at a British steam rally!. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 22 10:40:59 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:40:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland In-Reply-To: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <430A0E2B.6090205@imc-group.com> Dave, Stanley Steamers? or something close? http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/showpics/pic%20(37).gif Curt Holland Itchin' to leave for Portland..... Dave Croft wrote: >See http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/onslow.htm >This is the website for the Salop Steam Engine society. >There are many pictures & even more if you search in the >other sections. >(Richard Huelin tipped off the UK list about this) >It shows the vast range of exhibits & crafts at a British steam rally!. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 22 12:40:10 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:40:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland References: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> <430A0E2B.6090205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003c01c5a751$501bdcc0$fa4c1152@no1> Hi Curt, You are most probably right, we usually get a few steam cars at our better shows. A few years ago I was lucky enough to be at Upton on Severn steam show when all the steam car drivers of Britain decided to meet there. It was a fantastic weekend. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland > Dave, > Stanley Steamers? or something close? > > http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/showpics/pic%20(37).gif > > Curt Holland > Itchin' to leave for Portland..... > > Dave Croft wrote: > > >See http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/onslow.htm > >This is the website for the Salop Steam Engine society. > >There are many pictures & even more if you search in the > >other sections. > >(Richard Huelin tipped off the UK list about this) > >It shows the vast range of exhibits & crafts at a British steam rally!. > >Dave Croft > >Warrington > >England > >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Aug 22 17:17:55 2005 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:17:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938<006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au><001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000e01c5a778$1e206200$0201a8c0@mycomputer> Peter and List; Dave Rotigel , Arnie Fero amd a few more Just left the Badger Steam and Gas Show in Baraboo Wisconsin and are headed twoard Portland , Dave and Arnie brought their Bessmer half breed 10 Hp , A real nice running engine , I saw Dave sitting under the sun shelter taking lots of notes , I think he was trying to jog down some insults for the aussies just in case they tried to dominate the list while he is away so look out ! he will be back !! :-)) Arnie had his Bamford here (a very neat engine) and the list had over 40 engines in Our 80"x 100 ' lot (aprox) I had & engine and my Horseless Carraige I built last month using Jimmy Woods Plans out of GEM magazine, we all had a great time even though I had a touch of somthing like the flu, Looking forward to more list members next year and Ive heard the club said we can have more realestate next year , Ok you Aussies be careful what you say cause were back and some of us americans can read :-))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and > Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the > Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. On the > other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra Australis > ...we did not change our ways that much!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > > > > >> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... > >> the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) > >> Paul > > > > Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is going > > on!!! > > When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would > > let you start causing problems again. d8^) > > (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 17:29:40 2005 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Associated Message-ID: <20050823002940.16108.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> SEL, Does anyone have a pic of a 4 hp Associated? What are they worth in good condition on trucks? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 22 19:31:43 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:31:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938<006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au><001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1><000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000e01c5a778$1e206200$0201a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: <00fe01c5a78b$2233a5b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> That sounds to me like Arnie has got the Halfbreed going at last. When he got it his lady made him hide "That ugly thing" round the back of the barn so she didnt have to look at it! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Peter and List; > > Dave Rotigel , Arnie Fero amd a few more Just left the Badger Steam > and Gas Show in Baraboo Wisconsin and are headed twoard Portland , Dave > and > Arnie brought their Bessmer half breed 10 Hp , A real nice running engine > , > I saw Dave sitting under the sun shelter taking lots of notes , I think he > was trying to jog down some insults for the aussies just in case they > tried > to dominate the list while he is away so look out ! he will be back !! > :-)) > Arnie had his Bamford here (a very neat engine) and the list had over 40 > engines in Our 80"x 100 ' lot (aprox) I had & engine and my Horseless > Carraige I built last month using Jimmy Woods Plans out of GEM magazine, > we > all had a great time even though I had a touch of somthing like the flu, > Looking forward to more list members next year and Ive heard the club > said we can have more realestate next year , > Ok you Aussies be careful what you say cause were back and some of > us americans can read :-))) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > >> Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and >> Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the >> Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. On > the >> other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra > Australis >> ...we did not change our ways that much!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Croft" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] test >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] test >> > >> > >> >> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our >> >> chance... >> >> the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) >> >> Paul >> > >> > Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is > going >> > on!!! >> > When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would >> > let you start causing problems again. d8^) >> > (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) >> > Dave Croft >> > Warrington >> > England >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Aug 25 20:33:04 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:33:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> Haven't received any messages for a few days. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From yostsw at atis.net Thu Aug 25 20:36:41 2005 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:36:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland Message-ID: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> Sorry for the outage for thelast few days, but I had a total server meltdown. The web site has been up since yesterday, but problems with mailman/sendmail have left the lists down a bit longer. Anyways, no data was lost so all is well. The Portland gang has been calling me everyday to rub in how wonderful the show is, and how great the weather is. With friends like that, who needs enemies (-; They did want me to tell everyone that the ATIS tractor display area, which is always the gathering spot for the Friday morning get together, has moved to the new area of the show grounds, which is the southeast corner of the show. This is near the horse barn and track. Y'all enjoy the show tomorrow and sorry again for the outage, Spencer From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net Thu Aug 25 20:56:12 2005 From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:56:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test OT In-Reply-To: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> References: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> Message-ID: <430E92DC.2060106@Ntelos.Net> Hey Francis got you test mesg .. I can't wait to see the Portland pictures 2005 Mark L Shattuck Shenandoah Valley Va Waynesboro From bmvid at snet.net Fri Aug 26 03:17:09 2005 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:17:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> Thanks Spencer, I was begining to think I was the only one on the list that didn't go to Portland! Is the oldengine.org list still up and running. I haven't seen any mail from them or slick willy either. Mick Spencer Yost wrote: > Sorry for the outage for thelast few days, but I had a total server > meltdown. The web site has been up since yesterday, but problems with > mailman/sendmail have left the lists down a bit longer. > > Anyways, no data was lost so all is well. The Portland gang has been > calling me everyday to rub in how wonderful the show is, and how great the > weather is. With friends like that, who needs enemies (-; > > They did want me to tell everyone that the ATIS tractor display area, which > is always the gathering spot for the Friday morning get together, has moved > to the new area of the show grounds, which is the southeast corner of the > show. This is near the horse barn and track. > > Y'all enjoy the show tomorrow and sorry again for the outage, > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Aug 26 03:25:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:25:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> Message-ID: <016501c5aa28$73545e90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Mick. This silence is an annual thing. Portlanditis !! All will return to normal in time for 'Cabin fever' to rear its head! And so it goes!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick DeMaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Outage and Portland > Thanks Spencer, I was begining to think I was the only one on the list > that didn't go to Portland! > Is the oldengine.org list still up and running. I haven't seen any mail > from them or slick willy either. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 26 04:43:11 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT Message-ID: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM > Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > > >>I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect spelling] >>in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet connection via the >>power grid. To all accounts it was successful. This would have great >>implications for our Australian Telstra as their copper system would not >>be needed. Most Australian towns are connected to the power grid ,so the >>inferstructure is already installed. If it is a goer then watch out >>Telstra shares! >> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was it >> Gene Tunney? >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 05:40:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:40:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> On 8/26/05, Spencer Yost wrote: > Sorry for the outage for thelast few days, but I had a total server > meltdown. The web site has been up since yesterday, but problems with > mailman/sendmail have left the lists down a bit longer. > > Anyways, no data was lost so all is well. The Portland gang has been > calling me everyday to rub in how wonderful the show is, and how great the > weather is. With friends like that, who needs enemies (-; > > They did want me to tell everyone that the ATIS tractor display area, which > is always the gathering spot for the Friday morning get together, has moved > to the new area of the show grounds, which is the southeast corner of the > show. This is near the horse barn and track. > > Y'all enjoy the show tomorrow and sorry again for the outage, > > Spencer > Sorry you couldn't be there, Spencer, we all missed you. The Charity Dinner went very well, the auction was really funny with Glenn Karch doing his auctioneer service very effectively! The show has been very good, we both got foot fatigue through walking the stalls and engine areas and taking pictures for our website later on. The problem with the SEL site was mentioned at our table last evening, we had the Roysters and Arnie with us, the meal was excellent as always. One more day today, and then we go to the USAF museum on Saturday, fly back very early Sunday, home late Sunday night. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Aug 26 06:23:52 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> Message-ID: <430F17E8.9080203@wowway.com> Mick DeMaria wrote: > Thanks Spencer, I was begining to think I was the only one on the list > that didn't go to Portland! > Is the oldengine.org list still up and running. I haven't seen any mail > from them or slick willy either. > > Mick Mick, now you know who your friends REALLY are...some have just gone off & left us!!! -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Aug 26 09:12:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:12:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d6cbbe38b33feabdfe222e0c6acd4dc@chartertn.net> > The problem with the SEL site was mentioned at our table last evening, > we had the Roysters and Arnie with us The Roysters and Arnie problem has always been there, but we managed to get by OK with it in the past. Keep a stiff upper lip! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri Aug 26 13:25:32 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:25:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no free ride. The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users of the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably will cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the frequencies used by the broadband network. Once broadband is established, there is no way to shut it off in the middle of a natural or manmade disaster when the lack of health and welfare communications is deadly. The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. Be careful. On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 "peter ogborne" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM > Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>>I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. >>>This would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as >>>their copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are >>>connected to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already >>>installed. If it is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was >>>it >>> Gene Tunney? >>> Peter Ogborne >>> Little Grove ,Albany >>> West Australia >>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 25 09:55:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:55:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: HOWT 2005 References: Message-ID: <001501c5a995$de6ffe70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi George, Man, that's a real HOWT what you're planning to do. Hope you and John Billing have a very good time and for us poor home stayers make some nice shots of these great engines you will see there. Bon voyage, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I wasn't able to make it to the Portland show this year, but that enabled me to go on another trip. This trip started out as a trip to the Rollag show which is one I've wanted to see for decades (I've always like the early prairie tractors), plus they're having the Otto engine expo this year. Like most of my trips, this one expanded significantly to include as many collections as possible and make sure that it turns into a HOWT. Here's the current plan: I'll leave home tomorrow (Friday) evening around 8pm, pulling my trailer, to meet up with John Billing at his home in Washington about 170 miles away. At John's place we'll hook my trailer (already loaded with a large set of F-M trucks (15hp N size)) to John's pickup. I've already got 160+k on my pickup and John's is only 2 months old, so we'll put the mileage on his pickup and break it in right! Hopefully, we'll be out of his place before midnight. Saturday morning we're scheduled to pick up a engine in Hamilton Montana to be delivered to Minnesota. Saturday afternoon we'll be in Idaho Falls Idaho to pick up some engine parts to be delivered to Nebraska. Saturday evening, if we can make it to Salt Lake City in time, we'll visit a collector there. Sunday afternoon, we'll be in Craig Colorado to pick up a engine John bought. Sunday evening, we hope to make it to Sydney Nebraska to spend the night. Monday we're in Nebraska for the whole day, we'll visit four collectors near Sydney, Funk, and Waverly, ending up near Omaha. We'll also drop off the FM trucks and the engine parts from Idaho. Maybe buy a few engine carts while in Nebraska. Tuesday, we'll go to Cedar Rapids to pick up some more engine stuff for John, plus go visit another collector in Dunkerton Iowa, then drive up to Minnesota and spend the night around Rochester. Wednesday morning we'll drop off the engine we picked up in Montana, then visit a couple more collections and pick up a engine on our way up to Rollag. Thursday and Friday we'll be at the Rollag show!!! Friday evening we hit the road again and drive across North Dakota during the night (Paul Pavlinovich did this with me years ago) so we can be in Montana Saturday morning. Saturday, visit collectors in Montana and should be in Missoula to spend the night. Sunday, drive back home. Might work in a collection or two along the route, but we might be tired enough to just want to get back home. Monday (Labor Day) try to rest up so I can be back at work on Tuesday. Sounds like fun doesn't it??? ;-) Wonder why its called a Hell On Wheels Tour? To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Aug 26 14:07:56 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:07:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT Message-ID: <20.4babd6b4.3040deac@aol.com> Peter, Here is some information on our local electric coop and broadband over the electric lines. I think it is $100 for the initial in house equipment and then $30/month after. It is just starting with our electric company and will take some time for it to reach all of us provided it proves to operate satisfactory. It is the only hope we have for high speed in our rural area except for satellite and that is more expensive. Will just have to settle for our country dial up lines for now. http://www.forcvec.com/bplcoop/ Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 26 16:24:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:24:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001e01c5aa95$65876bf0$ba9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Tom for that interesting and different view of Broadband .At the moment I can only have Dialup and that's fine . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband > communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no > free ride. > > The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users of > the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably will > cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other > commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the frequencies > used by the broadband network. Once broadband is established, there is no > way to shut it off in the middle of a natural or manmade disaster when the > lack of health and welfare communications is deadly. > > The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative > effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just a > nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a > natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests > communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in > disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. > > Be careful. > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 > "peter ogborne" wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "peter ogborne" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>>I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>>spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>>connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. This >>>>would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as their copper >>>>system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are connected to the >>>>power grid ,so the inferstructure is already installed. If it is a goer >>>>then watch out Telstra shares! >>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was it >>>> Gene Tunney? >>>> Peter Ogborne >>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>> West Australia >>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 26 18:01:57 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Message-ID: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> While our northern engine cousins are off enjoying themselves at Portland we can only sit in envy :( BUT it is only a week to the Rusty Iron rally where I hope to see quite a few Aussie list members. I already have one engine loaded and will get the others ready this week. See you all there! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 26 19:43:32 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:43:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt Message-ID: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Aug 26 20:19:07 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:19:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <430FDBAB.9040008@steamengine.com.au> Hi Tom - I've worked on RF projects several times in my working lifetime, and honestly - where did you get your information on broadband? For a start "broadband" is a very general category and covers hundreds of different transmission methods from copper based land lines, through radio, microwave, satellite and other mechanisms. You sound like the kind of person who does not have a microwave in their house because of the radiation it gives off (less than the power wires within your walls for those of you that are wondering!). The wireless methods (802.11g, 900MHz spread spectrum, and 2.4GHz spread spectrum) are the only methods likely to interfere with other RF users and they're carefully set up so that if they did interfere it would be minimal - this is ensured by the 1 watt transmission power of base stations - this only carries about 300' reliably! Even if every single house installed it it would be no different to every house having a digital cordless phone which happen to use the same frequences plus a couple of others. The satellite based methods bathe most of the planet in the same microwave transmissions used by cable TV and plain old concentrated communications. Broadband via Satellite is just another concentrated digital packet transmission - it just happens to be a little more personally addressed but it is still blanketted to everyone in that satellites footprint. None of the broadband methods I've encountered will interfere in emergency communications in any way. It is a bit like using a mobile phone at a fuel station - it will NOT set fire to your car :)... Urban legends, what would we talk about around the beer circle without them! Paul Tom Smith wrote: > You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband > communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no > free ride. > > The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users > of the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably > will cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other > commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the > frequencies used by the broadband network. Once broadband is > established, there is no way to shut it off in the middle of a natural > or manmade disaster when the lack of health and welfare communications > is deadly. > > The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative > effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just > a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a > natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests > communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in > disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. > > Be careful. > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 > "peter ogborne" wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>> I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>> spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>> connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. >>>> This would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as >>>> their copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are >>>> connected to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already >>>> installed. If it is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was >>>> it Gene Tunney? >>>> Peter Ogborne >>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>> West Australia >>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Aug 26 20:20:23 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:20:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <430FDBF7.9050003@steamengine.com.au> Why wait? I'm off to the Wedderburn Twihlight Rally shortly... I'll get there a little while before it starts to get dark. Perfect for an evening of photos :) Paul Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > While our northern engine cousins are off enjoying themselves at Portland we > can only sit in envy :( BUT it is only a week to the Rusty Iron rally where > I hope to see quite a few Aussie list members. I already have one engine > loaded and will get the others ready this week. > See you all there! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 From brianne at ultratune.com.au Fri Aug 26 23:53:47 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:53:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter Message-ID: <00b001c5aad4$13a164a0$d554dccb@brian> Hi Guys We have decided to resurrect the Allis Chalmers 6 volt starting system (Damaged at some earlier stage by someone applying 12 volts to system) and have acquired a new 6V battery. The starter was supposedly overhauled by someone, but appears to have a bent shaft as it will only rotate slowly (off the tractor, on the bench). If I slacken the 2 through bolts until only just snug, motor frees up and rotates fast.I have checked end float..all ok. I have linished the 2 shaft bearing surfaces..plenty of clearance. Has anyone had any success straightening bent starter shafts? Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness QLD Australia From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 01:37:28 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <43102648.2030105@comcast.net> Amen to that,Tom. Do a google search for "ARRL" and you will see a fantastic struggle between Amatuer Radio Operators (Ham's),and the FCC. Europe is paying dearly for it's BPL system(s).In the USA, FEMA is on record opposing BPL as it "renders communications impossible" in an emergency. Can you imagine a Broadband-Over-Powerline system that covers even 1/3 of a country? All "Over-the air" reception would suffer horribly.We're talking cordless telephones, Cell phones (as if they already didn't have enough problems),AM (Medium-Wave),F.M.,Short-Wave,Television.... BPL is Government sanctioned Pollution! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Smith wrote: > You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband > communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is > no free ride. > > The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users > of the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and > probably will cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, > and other commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of > the frequencies used by the broadband network. Once broadband is > established, there is no way to shut it off in the middle of a natural > or manmade disaster when the lack of health and welfare communications > is deadly. > > The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very > negative effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average > day is just a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and > property in a natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare > requests communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our > lives in disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. > > Be careful. > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 > "peter ogborne" wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>> I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>> spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>> connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. >>>> This would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as >>>> their copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are >>>> connected to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already >>>> installed. If it is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or >>>> Was it Gene Tunney? >>>> Peter Ogborne >>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>> West Australia >>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 01:40:43 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:40:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <20.4babd6b4.3040deac@aol.com> References: <20.4babd6b4.3040deac@aol.com> Message-ID: <4310270B.7060706@comcast.net> Wow.I'm shocked that the FCC is even allowing this 'service' to go ahead.......EVERY test site I've read about has been shut down due to interference problems with other users of the spectrum, which CANNOT,given today's technology;be rectified.Unbelieveable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Peter, > >Here is some information on our local electric coop and broadband over the >electric lines. I think it is $100 for the initial in house equipment and then >$30/month after. It is just starting with our electric company and will take >some time for it to reach all of us provided it proves to operate >satisfactory. It is the only hope we have for high speed in our rural area except for >satellite and that is more expensive. Will just have to settle for our country >dial up lines for now. > >http://www.forcvec.com/bplcoop/ > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 01:45:03 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:45:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4310280F.1040309@comcast.net> Do a google for small parts,inc. They carry all kinds of small belting,adjustable-size belts, bearings,rod,tubing....you name it, they probably sell it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Maples wrote: >Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 27 03:04:30 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:04:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter In-Reply-To: <00b001c5aad4$13a164a0$d554dccb@brian> Message-ID: <200508271004.j7RA4lgG088148@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I think whether you can straighten it or not depends on where it id bent. Take it out and spin it between centres in a lathe or even mount it in a couple of V blocks. Use a dial gauge to find where the bend is Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Taylor Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 2:54 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter Hi Guys We have decided to resurrect the Allis Chalmers 6 volt starting system (Damaged at some earlier stage by someone applying 12 volts to system) and have acquired a new 6V battery. The starter was supposedly overhauled by someone, but appears to have a bent shaft as it will only rotate slowly (off the tractor, on the bench). If I slacken the 2 through bolts until only just snug, motor frees up and rotates fast.I have checked end float..all ok. I have linished the 2 shaft bearing surfaces..plenty of clearance. Has anyone had any success straightening bent starter shafts? Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness QLD Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Aug 27 03:07:54 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:07:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> <430FDBAB.9040008@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003b01c5aaef$317c42e0$3f86b4ce@toms> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > For a start "broadband" is a very general category and covers hundreds of > different transmission methods from copper based land lines, through > radio, microwave, satellite and other mechanisms. Paul, Thanks for the email and sharing your experience. The main concern seems to be interference from the power line grid that is used worldwide for electric power distribution. > You sound like the kind of person who does not have a microwave in their > house because of the radiation it gives off (less than the power wires > within your walls for those of you that are wondering!). I can assure you that I do have a microwave oven and other radiation creating appliances in my house that do indeed cause less radiation than the "power wires". These "power wires" actually do generate a lot of radiation so stating that these devises put out less radiation is not saying much. The difference is, the frequency and radiation levels is generally such that they don't cause interference with other services. I say generally because some of these devices do cause interference but can be dealt with by turning off the offending appliance when it causes objectional interference. This isn't possible with a broadband powerline source. > this only carries about 300' reliably! Even if every single house > installed it it would be no different to every house having a digital > cordless phone which happen to use the same frequences plus a couple of > others. I can also assure you that a source of radiation interference within 300' is more than enough to cause hugh problems when trying to receive the generally extremely low level signals of a distress call from a area that has no main line power and is relying on a small power generator or a battery for power (which is the case in most of these disaster situations). A radio set up to receive these signals is much closer than 300' (usually within inches) of the communications gear because it uses the powerline itself. > None of the broadband methods I've encountered will interfere in emergency > communications in any way. It is a bit like using a mobile phone at a fuel > station - it will NOT set fire to your car :)... Urban legends, what would > we talk about around the beer circle without them! I beg to differ with you on your opinion that no interference will be caused with emergency communication. I'll ask you for the source of that statement. Maybe the key to your statement is "methods I've encountered". Is it possible that you haven't fully tested this? It has been proven with studies conducted by FEMA, ARRL and numerous state agencies that broadband power line use has a hugh negative effect on both emergency and routine communication. It's "my opinion" that the big dollar communications industry has funded this push for broadband powerline use despite its effects. The money put into lobbying for this application is staggering. I guess this is probably way off topic for the SEL group and do apologize. This should probably be debated in another arena. Tom > Tom Smith wrote: >> You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband >> communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no >> free ride. >> >> The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users of >> the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably will >> cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other >> commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the frequencies >> used by the broadband network. Once broadband is established, there is no >> way to shut it off in the middle of a natural or manmade disaster when >> the lack of health and welfare communications is deadly. >> >> The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative >> effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just >> a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a >> natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests >> communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in >> disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. >> >> Be careful. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 >> "peter ogborne" wrote: >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >>> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>>> >>>> >>>>> I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>>> spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>>> connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. This >>>>> would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as their >>>>> copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are connected >>>>> to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already installed. If it >>>>> is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was >>>>> it Gene Tunney? >>>>> Peter Ogborne >>>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>>> West Australia >>>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sat Aug 27 05:14:35 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:14:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <007a01c5ab00$e4436960$8b1117d1@net.telenet.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Paul, You should be able to cut it using a long half lap style joint and glue it together with good rubber cement. The hard part will be getting the half lap areas skived down evenly. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 06:07:21 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:07:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <4310280F.1040309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003501c5ab08$42a8e460$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Michael for the information, it is appreciated very much. I did a google search for timing belts and was overwhelmed with the hits I got but never found any information on cutting one and putting it back together. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > > Do a google for small parts,inc. They carry all kinds of small > belting,adjustable-size belts, bearings,rod,tubing....you name it, they > probably sell it. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 06:08:34 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:08:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <007a01c5ab00$e4436960$8b1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <005701c5ab08$77f9b9f0$230110ac@PAUL> Steve I will give this a try, it does not have to be perfect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > > > Paul, > You should be able to cut it using a long half lap style joint and glue > it together with good rubber cement. The hard part will be getting the > half lap areas skived down evenly. > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 27 08:24:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:24:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> Paul, When I was young, about 11, I had a favorite Tonka toy that was a conveyor. The belt broke and it was then useless. My dad and I decided to fix it. We took an old tractor inner tube and cut about an inch and a half section across it (this was the width of the conveyor belt originally). We then cut some 1/4 inch wide strips out of the tube the length of the width of the belt we cut. We marked the belt about every inch and used rubber cement to glue the strips on. It worked perfect. It probably took us a couple of hours to do it all but things like this are what you remember from your youth. The toy was still in my dad's basement until the tornado hit in '98 and to the best of my knowledge, the belt was still on it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 09:08:32 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:08:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> That is an excellent idea Tommy and I appreciate the information. I may just give this a try. I see that you already back from Portland, how was it? I did not get to go this year and really missed it. I cannot wait until folks start posting pictures so I can see some of it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > Paul, > > When I was young, about 11, I had a favorite Tonka toy that was a > conveyor. The belt broke and it was then useless. My dad and I decided > to fix it. We took an old tractor inner tube and cut about an inch and a > half section across it (this was the width of the conveyor belt > originally). We then cut some 1/4 inch wide strips out of the tube the > length of the width of the belt we cut. We marked the belt about every > inch and used rubber cement to glue the strips on. It worked perfect. It > probably took us a couple of hours to do it all but things like this are > what you remember from your youth. The toy was still in my dad's basement > until the tornado hit in '98 and to the best of my knowledge, the belt was > still on it. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 27 11:58:11 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:58:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Paul, Portland was great as always. I got to see several SEL members and renew acquaintances. Thanks to all who helped make this an event to look forward to every year. I planned on being at Portland through Friday afternoon but an issue at home caused me to return on Thursday evening. The layout of the show was changed quite a bit this year and I heard mixed reviews. I think it was possibly done to help the tractor folks but most of the grumbling I heard was from them. They had to park under the large trees across the drive from the SEL area. The sap and squirrels dropping nuts on them didn't please some of the tractor owners. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Paul Maples wrote: > That is an excellent idea Tommy and I appreciate the information. I > may just give this a try. I see that you already back from Portland, > how was it? I did not get to go this year and really missed it. I > cannot wait until folks start posting pictures so I can see some of it. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > > >> Paul, >> >> When I was young, about 11, I had a favorite Tonka toy that was a >> conveyor. The belt broke and it was then useless. My dad and I >> decided to fix it. We took an old tractor inner tube and cut about >> an inch and a half section across it (this was the width of the >> conveyor belt originally). We then cut some 1/4 inch wide strips out >> of the tube the length of the width of the belt we cut. We marked >> the belt about every inch and used rubber cement to glue the strips >> on. It worked perfect. It probably took us a couple of hours to do >> it all but things like this are what you remember from your youth. >> The toy was still in my dad's basement until the tornado hit in '98 >> and to the best of my knowledge, the belt was still on it. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Sat Aug 27 12:54:00 2005 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 In-Reply-To: <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: snip ... the up at 5am off to bed about 11pm when the beer-bullshit > ran out only to do the exact same thing again the next day. > G'day mate, A very apt description of how I spent my time at the show this year. I arrived about noon Tuesday, threw my kit into Leroy's new covered utility trailer with fold-down bench. Unloaded the Economy at the list area, and Steve Sewell and I took off for the vendor area. We cruised the vendor area until we lost the light then shared the evening with the SEL and tractor campers. Each evening was spent in this pleasant pursuit of knowledge and calories. I ran the Economy all four days. With help from all the list group it's become a two pull starter. One with a choke and another gets it off and going. Sweet. Tried to run the early shift until the motel crowd arrived. The swap area was larger this year and as active as usual. I over-used a knee on Wednesday and then walked it off on Thursday. My current strategy for shopping at Portland is working. See something I might want but don't really have a immediate need for, think about it for a hour, come back later and it's gone. There were at least four boilers in the swap area this year in the 1/2 horsepower range. Special thanks again to Dave for making the dinner and auction the wonderful experience it was. I understand we raised about 2K, the food was good, and Glenn's auctioneering was well worth the drive. I mentioned Leroy's kindness to me personally above but also want to thank him for all his (and Brandi's) work with the list camping area and staking out the list area in the "land rush". Portland is still the easiest place on earth to take 3 hours on a 15 minute walk. Saw old friends and met new ones. There is never enough time to talk to everyone and several conversations were interrupted that we'll finish them next year. Hope to see you all next year. Brice From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 13:13:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:13:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com><00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00d301c5ab43$d2bc1ff0$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks for the report Tommy, sorry you had to leave early, hope all is well now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > Paul, > Portland was great as always. I got to see several SEL members and > renew acquaintances. Thanks to all who helped make this an event to look > forward to every year. I planned on being at Portland through Friday > afternoon but an issue at home caused me to return on Thursday evening. > The layout of the show was changed quite a bit this year and I heard mixed > reviews. I think it was possibly done to help the tractor folks but most > of the grumbling I heard was from them. They had to park under the large > trees across the drive from the SEL area. The sap and squirrels dropping > nuts on them didn't please some of the tractor owners. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From MBellar at aol.com Sat Aug 27 13:22:33 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:22:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt Message-ID: <66.5de752b6.30422589@aol.com> Paul; I purchased an O-ring splicing kit awhile back in order to make an O-ring replacement for a piston ring on a Waterloo engine. Super glue is supplied with the kit and I can testify that once it sets the joint is secure. I had to super stretch the O-ring to reduce the OD of my home made O-ring to get it to fit in the piston groove and allow the piston to tightly slip into the cylinder. After about six tries everything went together well resulting in great engine compression. I have about three hours of running time on the engine and it is still holding up. They supply a jig to align the two ends of the O-ring because you only get one chance at joining them before the glue sets. I would guess that you could do the same with your belt. Tom Bellar From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 13:49:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <66.5de752b6.30422589@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e101c5ab48$cb251fd0$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Tom, I am encouraged by everyone's feedback. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > Paul; > I purchased an O-ring splicing kit awhile back in order to make an O-ring > replacement for a piston ring on a Waterloo engine. Super glue is > supplied with > the kit and I can testify that once it sets the joint is secure. I had to > super stretch the O-ring to reduce the OD of my home made O-ring to get > it to > fit in the piston groove and allow the piston to tightly slip into the > cylinder. After about six tries everything went together well resulting > in great > engine compression. I have about three hours of running time on the > engine and > it is still holding up. They supply a jig to align the two ends of the > O-ring > because you only get one chance at joining them before the glue sets. I > would > guess that you could do the same with your belt. > > Tom Bellar > _______________________________________________ From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Aug 27 14:22:18 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:22:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> Same lady on the National Anthems?? -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Paul, > Portland was great as always. I got to see several SEL members and > renew acquaintances. Thanks to all who helped make this an event to > look forward to every year. I planned on being at Portland through > Friday afternoon but an issue at home caused me to return on Thursday > evening. The layout of the show was changed quite a bit this year and I > heard mixed reviews. I think it was possibly done to help the tractor > folks but most of the grumbling I heard was from them. They had to park > under the large trees across the drive from the SEL area. The sap and > squirrels dropping nuts on them didn't please some of the tractor owners. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Sat Aug 27 14:53:48 2005 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:53:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, kgw wrote: > Same lady on the National Anthems?? > > -- > Gene > Yes, and on Friday, at the urging and encouragement of the english contingent she sang "God Save the Queen". It was well done. I, for one, appreciate she is willing to sing and that no one has told her not to. It's part of what the Portland Show is about and I will miss her when she's gone. Brice From ivancou at alltel.net Sat Aug 27 14:55:33 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:55:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FWD : Stolen References: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5ab52$0cac17c0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> This came to me by way of a friend & former list member , I thought it best to send it on . Thanks, Ivan On Wed Aug 24 13:59:37 PDT 2005, "Beates, Susan" wrote: > Could you please help spread the word - Bill Huber of the > Oleopolis Road, Plumer, PA has just had a 15hp Reid vandalized. > He just gave the lease to his son Jeff who would be the fourth > generation to pump that lease. The window of the locked engine > house was smashed and taken were the governor belt and pulley, > governor, gas valve WICO eccentric, back frame for the oilers and > the oilers. Anyone with information is encouraged to call Bill > at (814)677-8802. > > Thanks! > > Susan J. Beates > Curator II/Historian > Drake Well Museum & Park > 202 Museum Lane > Titusville, PA 16354-8902 > (814)827-1147 ext. 103 > www.drakewell.org From ivancou at alltel.net Sat Aug 27 18:39:00 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net><6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> <5d6cbbe38b33feabdfe222e0c6acd4dc@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001f01c5ab71$43e40bc0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Little Lisa showed up at the dinner , and Dave was ,opps Maybe someone else will spill the beans . It was a small crowd ,but I thought the auction went well . Ivan From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 27 18:38:54 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:38:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> Message-ID: <431115AE.1090406@scrtc.com> Yeah, same gal as the last several years. I think her last name is something like "Yinks"? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY kgw wrote: > Same lady on the National Anthems?? > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 27 18:58:13 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:58:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20050828015806.ITF21373.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It is also only three weeks until the Sydney Rally at Clarendon. It looks like we are going to have a very impressive display of early Crossley engines, with at least 12 confirmed :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- While our northern engine cousins are off enjoying themselves at Portland we can only sit in envy :( BUT it is only a week to the Rusty Iron rally where I hope to see quite a few Aussie list members. I already have one engine loaded and will get the others ready this week. See you all there! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From b2 at chooka.net Sat Aug 27 21:59:27 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:59:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter In-Reply-To: <00b001c5aad4$13a164a0$d554dccb@brian> Message-ID: <200508272359400.SM03572@wrbpc> By all means check for straightness, but I bet there's just one too many spacer washers stuck on one end or the other when the starter was last assembled. Pull one off and see if this helps. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Taylor Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:54 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter Hi Guys We have decided to resurrect the Allis Chalmers 6 volt starting system (Damaged at some earlier stage by someone applying 12 volts to system) and have acquired a new 6V battery. The starter was supposedly overhauled by someone, but appears to have a bent shaft as it will only rotate slowly (off the tractor, on the bench). If I slacken the 2 through bolts until only just snug, motor frees up and rotates fast.I have checked end float..all ok. I have linished the 2 shaft bearing surfaces..plenty of clearance. Has anyone had any success straightening bent starter shafts? Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness QLD Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Aug 28 06:23:38 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:23:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa Message-ID: <4311BADA.3020504@scrtc.com> Are any of the SEL members from KY, IN, or OH going to Mt. Pleasant? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From oldengin at udata.com Sun Aug 28 08:13:05 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:13:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Gday Well we are now home from the 2005 Portland show and it was grand! We sat in the little portland area and still had fun, but after being gone for over a week I had just a tad over 300 mails???? We had as much fun as ever and had a few different events occur, like on Monday night we had a silver night. Man sometimes you get what you pay for. Then set-up day on Tues. and the getting of one new trolley along with the night belonging to scotch. Wend. was opening and then it was a vo type evening. Thur. some of us outlasted the tractor fellows and it was just a usual 12 ounce night. And so went the week! A couple thoughts Thank you to everyone who said they where coming and did so, I hope everything was fine. I was very happy to see the list area full of some of the shows finer engins We have a few lost and found items, like a tire and a new shirt ( not my size) Brice write me........ over 250 models of engins and some very fine ones I have three pages of engin pictures posted but they are hard to view and rumors have been floating about no Portland shots? some people claim that tractors move! again thank you -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 28 08:36:01 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:36:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL><431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL><4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: <006c01c5abe6$31fd0360$230110ac@PAUL> Leroy where are the pictures you said you had posted. I am on pins and needles wanting to see some pictures of the show since I did not get to go this year. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2005 > Gday > Well we are now home from the 2005 Portland show and it was grand! We > sat in the little portland area and still had fun, but after being gone > for over a week I had just a tad over 300 mails???? We had as much fun as > ever and had a few different events occur, like on Monday night we had a > silver night. Man sometimes you get what you pay for. Then From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 28 10:29:24 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:29:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> <5d6cbbe38b33feabdfe222e0c6acd4dc@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <027701c5abf6$091060e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Yes, I agree. It is always a problem keeping Arnie in line at the auction, so that is why Steve and I were "assigned" to his table in order to keep him in check. Knowing his fondness for all things British, Peter and Rita assisted in restraining his as well. We did well til Arnie consumed his 8th Negro Modolo malt beverage. Then he stood up and sang "My Way" like Sinatra on a bad day. The good news is more money was raised for charity by bidding on how much it would take to hush him up! Portland was great as always and we had a great time. Plus, it did not rain!!!!!! Thanks to so many behind the scenes workers that make it a good time for all. Can't say I liked how all the engines were scattered about but hopefully the Portland folks will tweak it for next year. Picture to follow. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Outage and Portland > > The problem with the SEL site was mentioned at our table last evening, > > we had the Roysters and Arnie with us > > The Roysters and Arnie problem has always been there, but we managed to > get by OK with it in the past. Keep a stiff upper lip! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Sun Aug 28 13:21:29 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:21:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL]OT Portland/Auction Message-ID: Special thanks goes out to Glen Karch, his donated items bought in over $500 of the $2,019 raised at the auction. His picture puzzels are a work of art and the boxes are his very usual brand of high quality wood work. I will keep my opinions of just what went on at Portland to myself. I will say we will be making Baraboo a perminent destination thanks to Curt and his infulance with getting us a perminent spot on the grounds. Bill would like to again thank all who donated to his birthday cake and the ensuing celabration, you don't turn 60 everyday, the tractor, wagon, and cow are now prominately desplayed in a place of honor. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "ivan" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Outage and Portland >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:39:00 -0400 > > Little Lisa showed up at the dinner , and Dave was ,opps Maybe >someone else will spill the beans . >It was a small crowd ,but I thought the auction went well . Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Sun Aug 28 13:26:43 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:26:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Portland 2005/Special Thanks In-Reply-To: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: Special thanks to Leroy and Brandi, for all the fine efforts they have been putting in on our behalf, not only with the "land grab", but also the fact they both volunteer with the club to keep our group on "the good side" of the club. Again, THANKS A VERY BIG BUNCH! Peg & Bill Pfeiffer >Thank you to everyone who said they where coming and did so, I hope >everything was fine. >I was very happy to see the list area full of some of the shows finer >engins >We have a few lost and found items, like a tire and a new shirt ( not my >size) Brice write me........ >over 250 models of engins and some very fine ones >I have three pages of engin pictures posted but they are hard to view and >rumors have been floating about no Portland shots? >some people claim that tractors move! again thank you > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 15:44:24 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:44:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM manual PDF Message-ID: <43123E48.3010606@earthlink.net> Hi all, All the reports from Portland are great. Now that it's over, I'll put this online. Very large file, about 20 Meg, and right click the link to download. Click the link and it will try to come in. FM Type T manual in PDF format. Covers are not included to reduce size. Download and print it for free if you can. If not contact me off list. http://oldirongallery.com/FMManual.pdf Jeff Allen From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:34:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:34:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 In-Reply-To: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605082816342e67cc99@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/05, Leroy C. wrote: > Gday > Well we are now home from the 2005 Portland show and it was grand! > We sat in the little portland area and still had fun, but after being > gone for over a week I had just a tad over 300 mails???? We had as much > fun as ever and had a few different events occur, like on Monday night > we had a silver night. Man sometimes you get what you pay for. Then > set-up day on Tues. and the getting of one new trolley along with the > night belonging to scotch. Wend. was opening and then it was a vo type > evening. Thur. some of us outlasted the tractor fellows and it was just > a usual 12 ounce night. And so went the week! A couple thoughts > Thank you to everyone who said they where coming and did so, I hope > everything was fine. > I was very happy to see the list area full of some of the shows finer engins > We have a few lost and found items, like a tire and a new shirt ( not my > size) Brice write me........ > over 250 models of engins and some very fine ones > I have three pages of engin pictures posted but they are hard to view > and rumors have been floating about no Portland shots? > some people claim that tractors move! again thank you > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark Just got home at Midnight on Sunday after a very early 4am start to catch the connecting flight out of Fort Wayne to Chicago. The freeways are certainly quiet that time of morning! Very misty as well, just like an autumn morning in the UK, we kept hitting thick patches at speed which was a bit of a nuisance, but we got to the airport on good order, and had time for a coffee and cake at Chicago before boarding the 777 for London. We have an enormous amount of photographs to edit and post to our website, but that will have to wait for the latter end of this coming week as we have a busy end of month and a big job to test and deliver at the factory. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:38:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:38:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT Portland 2005/Special Thanks In-Reply-To: References: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605082816387173dccf@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Special thanks to Leroy and Brandi, for all the fine efforts they have been > putting in on our behalf, not only with the "land grab", but also the fact > they both volunteer with the club to keep our group on "the good side" of > the club. > > Again, THANKS A VERY BIG BUNCH! > > Peg & Bill Pfeiffer Nice to see you both again, Peg, missed you last year... We also owe a big thank you to Jim Dunmyer, Arnie and Gary Epps for bringing some of our ebay and book purchases to the show so we could take them back with us, it was hugely helpful and much appreciated. We had to leave earlier than we would have like on Friday, as we were out all day at Dayton and then a 3.30am rise for the drive to Fort Wayne on Sunday, so we missed saying goodbye to a few of the folks there. We hoped that 7pm would have caught most people there, but we were wrong! Good to see everyone and an excellent show. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Aug 28 18:57:02 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:57:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa References: <4311BADA.3020504@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004501c5ac3c$f5949da0$b8ed123f@oemcomputer> Yep, Tommy, I will arrive at Mt Pleasant Wednesday afternoon and will likely set up near the engine area office with a 5 HP Kewanee and an 8 cycle pumping an oil well. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa > Are any of the SEL members from KY, IN, or OH going to Mt. Pleasant? > Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 04:07:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:07:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Postscripts Message-ID: <6f60251605082904073cc25b22@mail.gmail.com> Just a few thoughts and notes from our time at the show and some of the other things we did that week: 1) South Bend, Studebaker Museum. Great place, needs a bit of organisation and probably more funding to bring the standard up, but well worth the visit and the displays were good. Lighting for photographic purposes is not good at all. 2) Amish centers. We visited two places on our trip, both were very interesting to us as we had no preconceptions about the ways or beliefs of the Amish. We bought some books back with us, but don't expect to see a sudden conversion! 3) Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg Museum. Next to the show, this was probably the highlight of the visit. The museum and its displays exceeded our expectations by a huge amount. Again, lighting was not good for photography purposes, but you couldn't fault the standard of the displays. The Bugatti engine upstairs is worth a look, plus the big in-line aircraft engine (not Bugatti) in the same room. It doesn't get much better than this. 4) Portland. Still the definitive show for our money, the revised show areas were a little confusing at first, and we both suffered a bit from walking the grounds more than once around. Quite a few hidden gems in the parts sale areas, and the engine stuff was marvellous. We took a LOT of pictures, then went back and took a lot more, so we have a few weeks of work getting them all sorted and edited. List folks went out of their way to make us feel at home, this being our third visit we are at last starting to know people a little better which helps when you are talking to them, but we also had a load of unknown people coming up to us during the show and asking how we were and what we thought of the show. 5) General Stuff. The trip went well, we had no transport problems at all, the hire car performed faultlessly, we managed to negotiate the petrol pumps this time round (!) and people were really friendly wherever we went, so a big thanks to all the people we met. Dolly and Jim had problems with British Airways during the dispute at Heathrow, but we flew American Airways again, and had excellent service. We noticed that all our bags had been opened on our return home, but as always nothing was missing and there was a note in each case to indicate that they had been inspected. We thoroughly approve of such measures and also the Sky Marshalls who ride the AA planes these days. 6) Goodies we brung home :-)) Maytag spares for Kim Siddorn and Nick Highfield were the main haul at the show, we could have spent a LOT of money on desirable engines, especially the little Jaegers and the Bovard & Seyfang engine that we saw on a trailer in the sale area. Shipping aside, we could have bought two or three nice engines there and then, but as always we have other things committed for the coming year which will take our savings up, but there's always 2007... American Bosch and Fairbanks-Morse magneto manuals made up a lot of weight, the AB manual is nearly four inches thick! but contains a lot of info for the website at a future date. A few nice book selections from the USAF Museum will provide some interesting reading; The B-70 Valkyrie, SR-71 Blackbird and a book of wartime aircraft production pictures made it into the luggage, our museum membership discount easing the pain a little. The museum itself is expanding fast, and the Presidential Aircraft section is due to be moved to the main museum soon, which will eliminate the bus trip across the field which takes up so much trip time. Our Mavica FD-97 took a bit of a hammering this trip, but we didn't have any problems, one battery lasted a day and we wrote a CD-full of pictures to bring back. One thing we would like to do, is to bring our Ruston & Hornsby diesel over to the USA for a show tour. It's not easily done and would take some arranging, but it is something we are actively considering. It would need 3 months worth of travel time, so we would have to think on how we could arrange that, but it is possible. Watch this space! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Aug 29 04:44:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:44:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Kat -Mac Show Message-ID: <000901c5ac8f$0de8d270$7d9881cb@ogborneuah38i3> This Saturday /Sunday is the first Kat -Mac Show . This is to replace the Kukerin Tractor Show and from what we hear the organisers have been working hard to make this a great success. It is a 400 Km round trip for me but that is normal here in West Australia.We are taking the Dean Fairground Organ and the Ruston Proctor Portable Steam engine will be belted up to a 1904 Threshing Machine . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 29 05:39:13 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:39:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050829082857.03ddec10@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The ATIS dinner at the Back 40 Junction was attended by about 65 ATIS members. After the dinner the auction raised $2,019.00 for charity. Peg did her usual great job of keeping track of the bidding and money and we all believe that Glenn has a career ahead of him as an auctioneer when he grows up! A big thanks to everyone who helped and all those who bid! Dave PS, The only really sad part was watching Steve Royster bid against that pretty little 3 year old girl who had emptied out her piggy bank to attempt to buy an original "Karch" puzzle. (Glenn is making her one to make up for the one that Steve out bid her on! The little girl is probably home by now and I hope has stopped crying!) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 07:35:02 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:35:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050829082857.03ddec10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Brooky will be all right. She's stopped crying for now, but is real touchy. We'll give her lots of love and she'll pull through. I don't think she'll ever forget that 'mean old man' though. I kept telling her that it's not nice to call names and that his name is Steve. She said his name might be Steve, but he's still a mean old man! When Brooky gets a little older I think Steve should be looking over his shoulder. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================================== >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi All, > The ATIS dinner at the Back 40 Junction was attended by about 65 ATIS >members. After the dinner the auction raised $2,019.00 for charity. Peg did >her usual great job of keeping track of the bidding and money and we all >believe that Glenn has a career ahead of him as an auctioneer when he grows >up! A big thanks to everyone who helped and all those who bid! > Dave >PS, The only really sad part was watching Steve Royster bid against that >pretty little 3 year old girl who had emptied out her piggy bank to attempt >to buy an original "Karch" puzzle. (Glenn is making her one to make up for >the one that Steve out bid her on! The little girl is probably home by now >and I hope has stopped crying!) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 29 07:57:56 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:57:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa In-Reply-To: <004501c5ac3c$f5949da0$b8ed123f@oemcomputer> References: <4311BADA.3020504@scrtc.com> <004501c5ac3c$f5949da0$b8ed123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43132274.9020909@scrtc.com> Glenn, Would you be able to transport a screen cooling tank back to your place from Mt. Pleasant? It measures about 16" x 30". Not heavy (maybe 25 or 30 lbs). Its on ebay and I'm thinking about bidding on it. Thanks! Tommy >Yep, Tommy, I will arrive at Mt Pleasant Wednesday afternoon and will likely >set up near the engine area office with a 5 HP Kewanee and an 8 cycle >pumping an oil well. > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:23 AM >Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa > > > > >>Are any of the SEL members from KY, IN, or OH going to Mt. Pleasant? >>Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lsain33 at charter.net Mon Aug 29 14:17:01 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:17:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List Message-ID: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi Folks, A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. Larry in Cat Square, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 14:58:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:58:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <6f60251605082914582640f591@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/05, Larry Sain wrote: > Hi Folks, > > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > > Larry in Cat Square, NC Interesting to look at the figures and see what they say :-)) Figures for the Z71 Tahoe suggest you'd be OK, but you won't have a lot of spare capacity once fuelled and with driver/passenger. GVWR, standard (lbs./kg)1 2WD 6500/2948 4x4 6800/3084 Payload, base (lbs./kg)2 2WD 1522/690 4x4 1590/721 Curb weights, estimated (lbs./kg) 2WD 4978/2258 4x4 5210/2363 Assuming these are correct for your particular model, then a trailer or upgrade might be worth looking at, but these figures might be wrong if you have a particular specification pack that increases the GVWR rating. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 29 16:36:01 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:36:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? Message-ID: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> Alright Gang you have had at least 24 hours since the Portland Show was over.....we need to see some pictures at least a couple for now and when you get the rest processed later we will see them.....what do you think.....who will be first? From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 29 17:02:09 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:02:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050829195604.03f94e18@mail.alltel.net> At 07:36 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote: >Alright Gang you have had at least 24 hours since the Portland Show was >over.....we need to see some pictures at least a couple for now and when >you get the rest processed later we will see them.....what do you >think.....who will be first? Hi Paul, There seemed to be general agreement that no one who was at the Portland show should post any pictures this year. The consensus was that pictures just do not do justice to the show and that if none were posted more List members might attend next year. Does this seem reasonable to you. or should those of us who were there reconsider our position? Dave PS, I do have the pictures of the show/auction and would be more than glad to share them with anyone who was at the show! Just contact me off List if you were at the show and want the pictures. From rdi at rochester.rr.com Mon Aug 29 17:04:24 2005 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:04:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test 1 Message-ID: <000f01c5acf6$618eadc0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Yoooo hoooo...?? no list for a week; are you still up? -Rick From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Aug 29 17:33:17 2005 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:33:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <6f60251605082914582640f591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5acfa$6c99d6f0$0201a8c0@mycomputer> Make sure you get the heavy end up to the rear window so you have enough weight on the steer axle , other wise it will steer real bad and won't corner Like the Coors Light Dodge #40 Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for the List > On 8/29/05, Larry Sain wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > > > > Larry in Cat Square, NC > > Interesting to look at the figures and see what they say :-)) > > Figures for the Z71 Tahoe suggest you'd be OK, but you won't have a > lot of spare capacity once fuelled and with driver/passenger. > > GVWR, standard (lbs./kg)1 > 2WD 6500/2948 > 4x4 6800/3084 > Payload, base (lbs./kg)2 > 2WD 1522/690 > 4x4 1590/721 > Curb weights, estimated (lbs./kg) > 2WD 4978/2258 > 4x4 5210/2363 > > Assuming these are correct for your particular model, then a trailer > or upgrade might be worth looking at, but these figures might be wrong > if you have a particular specification pack that increases the GVWR > rating. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 29 17:39:57 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:39:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? References: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050829195604.03f94e18@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <01ae01c5acfb$592bab10$230110ac@PAUL> Sounds like 20th century logic to me Dave but I operate with 19th century logic.....gotta see to believe! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > > Hi Paul, > There seemed to be general agreement that no one who was at the > Portland show should post any pictures this year. The consensus was that > pictures just do not do justice to the show and that if none were posted > more List members might attend next year. Does this seem reasonable to > you. or should those of us who were there reconsider our position? > Dave > PS, I do have the pictures of the show/auction and would be more than glad > to share them with anyone who was at the show! Just contact me off List if > you were at the show and want the pictures. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 29 17:40:57 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:40:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test 1 In-Reply-To: <000f01c5acf6$618eadc0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000f01c5acf6$618eadc0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <9ddb0663272fc495e30498e4459b7d9f@chartertn.net> Yep. Sometimes the server turns your E-mail off, though, especially if some messages have bounced back. John On Aug 29, 2005, at 8:04 PM, Rick I. wrote: > Yoooo hoooo...?? no list for a week; are you still up? > -Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:52:50 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:52:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Luke, I'm glad Brooky didn't suffer permanent damage in the auction and you better believe I'll be looking over my shoulder in the future, but I was trying to save her dad from spending 150.00 on a 10.00 puzzle. That mean old Glen Karch was all but inciting a riot the way he was making people spend their kids inheritance on toys!!! Poor little Lincoln was trying so hard to get that little puzzle with his engine on it and Brooky was whuppin his butt too! His dad all but gave up his college savings just to win that auction, and then came the Eclipse!!!! I think if Luke really wanted little Brooke to have that puzzle he would have mortgaged the farm and got it for her. I hope some day he doesn't have to look over his shoulder and try and explain why he didn't step up and outbid that "mean old man". Being the generous old man that I am I would gladly share my puzzle with little Brooky any time and I'm sure Lincoln would also. Just let me know your address and I'll send it your way. Mean old Steve >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:35:02 +0000 > >Hi Dave, > >Brooky will be all right. She's stopped crying for now, but is real touchy. >We'll give her lots of love and she'll pull through. I don't think she'll >ever forget that 'mean old man' though. I kept telling her that it's not >nice to call names and that his name is Steve. She said his name might be >Steve, but he's still a mean old man! When Brooky gets a little older I >think Steve should be looking over his shoulder. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA >=================================== > > >>From: Dave Rotigel >> >>Hi All, >> The ATIS dinner at the Back 40 Junction was attended by about 65 ATIS >>members. After the dinner the auction raised $2,019.00 for charity. Peg >>did her usual great job of keeping track of the bidding and money and we >>all believe that Glenn has a career ahead of him as an auctioneer when he >>grows up! A big thanks to everyone who helped and all those who bid! >> Dave >>PS, The only really sad part was watching Steve Royster bid against that >>pretty little 3 year old girl who had emptied out her piggy bank to >>attempt to buy an original "Karch" puzzle. (Glenn is making her one to >>make up for the one that Steve out bid her on! The little girl is probably >>home by now and I hope has stopped crying!) > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 29 19:19:25 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:19:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <200508300219.j7U2JWh3056721@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a > piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, > probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill > and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this > hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a > bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't > know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance > for your input. Hi Larry, We've carried that much iron in the back of our Ford Ranger and dragged MUCH larger loads behind it on the trailer. It's a small sized pickup with a 2.3 liter engine. The truck still runs fine with 114,000 miles. But then again, our Ranger IS a Ford. Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 22:39:02 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:39:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160508292239263d4cf9@mail.gmail.com> We have had a bit of spare time to edit the few pictures we took at the Charity Auction at Decatur: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Charity1.jpg through http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Charity11.jpg Our favourite is the first one, and the full-sized version is also available at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Charity12.jpg What is Glenn Karch saying to Dave Rotigel ???? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 04:05:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:05:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: Hi Larry, You can probably haul it short distances at a reasonable speed. I hauled a 1.5 hp Fairbanks, 1.5 hp Novo, and a 6 hp Witte in the back of our half ton truck one time. Proabably well over 1000 pounds. I would just put your cane mill in the back of your truck and see if the rubber stoppers on the suspension bottom out on your axle. Even if it does, your probably still ok, as I've hauled loads with the suspension bottomed out before. Just have to take it easy. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "Larry Sain" > >Hi Folks, > >A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of >equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle >governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The >question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 >pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you >don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for >your input. > >Larry in Cat Square, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 04:13:59 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:13:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: <01ae01c5acfb$592bab10$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this picture, do you still believe it?? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "Paul Maples" > >Sounds like 20th century logic to me Dave but I operate with 19th century >logic.....gotta see to believe! > >Paul > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 04:41:27 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:41:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> Larry, The even more important question is, are you going to bring this cane mill/engine to Cotton Ginning Days and run it?! We'd really LOVE to see this operating at our show. Always good to see the one operating at Belwood every year. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Wot! Not powering this with your Reid?! The cane mill belted to the Reid would look neat..... Larry Sain wrote: >Hi Folks, > >A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > >Larry in Cat Square, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 30 04:43:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? References: Message-ID: <005501c5ad58$02720000$230110ac@PAUL> UNBELIEVABLE!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > Hi Paul, > > Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this > picture, do you still believe it?? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Aug 30 04:57:25 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:57:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? References: <005501c5ad58$02720000$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <003701c5ad5a$00c130d0$5f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Is this a case of " Intelligent Design''? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > UNBELIEVABLE!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this >> picture, do you still believe it?? >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg >> >> Luke Tonneberger > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 05:15:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:15:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43144DE8.2010709@imc-group.com> Oh I like the shit eating grin.....he must be engaged in the superfluidity of naughtiness! Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this > picture, do you still believe it?? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Aug 30 05:16:44 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi Curt, Yep, the setup at Belwood is a little Chattanooga #11. Originally horse-drawn, now geared to run off the PTO of a tractor. If I could figure out how to set it up, I'd have a nice display to bring to Cotton Ginning Days. The Reid might be a little overkill. Also scares me just to crank it! Can you imagine throwing a belt on that thing? Larry PS I'm still recovering from two back surgeries in July, but hope to be at Dallas with at least a small engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for the List > Larry, > The even more important question is, are you going to bring this cane > mill/engine to Cotton Ginning Days and run it?! > We'd really LOVE to see this operating at our show. Always good to see > the one operating at Belwood every year. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Wot! Not powering this with your Reid?! The cane mill belted to the > Reid would look neat..... > > Larry Sain wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > > > >A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > > > >Larry in Cat Square, NC > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 30 05:27:11 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:27:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show Message-ID: <001501c5ad5e$26af9760$fa4c1152@no1> Hi guys, after a superb weekend at this show I have put the pictures of Onslow Park at http://community.webshots.com/album/437720428hUXXAU We were lucky enough to see the celebration of 100 years of Sentinel steam wagons. They met in Scotland at the site of the original works, then drove to the last works in Shrewsbury, (Near to the show). Almost all the steamers still working were there! Also a good number of Stanley steam cars were at the show. The working field was superb with every possible machinery in use. (Lots of USA tractors as well). A popular spot were the groups who were racing to build a Ferguson tractor from the production line parts. (ISTR the winners took less than 30 mins) Good show, good weather & good company, who needs more? -- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Aug 30 05:37:40 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:37:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List References: <200508300219.j7U2JWh3056721@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <025c01c5ad5f$9c7d1a70$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hey Rob, You're preaching to the choir on this one. I bought the Z71 so my son would have a 4WD for the snow in the Appalachians. He attends college there on the 6 year plan and has managed to keep me broke for the last half decade! Given your info, I can just use my trusty 88 F-150, or maybe relicense my 79 Ford Courier and haul it in. Of course, those Maytag sized rust holes in the bed and sides might let the mill crunch through. Still, I'd rather drive a rusty Ford than a....OOPS, better not unleash that dog! Just kidding folks! But I do wish these "toys" I like didn't weigh so much. See ya. Larry in Cat Square, NC, missing Katrina and glad of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Question for the List > > > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a > > piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, > > probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill > > and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this > > hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a > > bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't > > know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance > > for your input. > > Hi Larry, > We've carried that much iron in the back of our Ford Ranger and dragged MUCH > larger loads behind it on the trailer. It's a small sized pickup with a 2.3 > liter engine. The truck still runs fine with 114,000 miles. > > But then again, our Ranger IS a Ford. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Aug 30 05:55:54 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:55:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: References: <01ae01c5acfb$592bab10$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050830085208.03deeca8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:13 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi Paul, >Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this >picture, do you still believe it?? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg >Luke Tonneberger The reason for this picture is simple. I learned (while listening to the Rev. Butts one morning) that the first thing a Christian needed to do to be forgiven for their sins was to SIN. As they say, the rest is history! Yours in the superfluidity of naughtiness! Dave From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Aug 30 06:00:32 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:00:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show References: 119761714 Message-ID: <00da01c5ad62$ce383ec0$0301a8c0@Cam> Excellent Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show > Hi guys, after a superb weekend at this show I have put the pictures of > Onslow Park at > http://community.webshots.com/album/437720428hUXXAU > We were lucky enough to see the celebration of 100 years of Sentinel steam > wagons. > They met in Scotland at the site of the original works, then drove to the > last works in Shrewsbury, > (Near to the show). Almost all the steamers still working were there! > Also a good number of Stanley steam cars were at the show. > The working field was superb with every possible machinery in use. > (Lots of USA tractors as well). > A popular spot were the groups who were racing to build a Ferguson tractor > from the production line parts. > (ISTR the winners took less than 30 mins) > Good show, good weather & good company, who needs more? > -- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 06:07:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) Message-ID: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from stainless steel? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Aug 30 06:19:32 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <025c01c5ad5f$9c7d1a70$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <200508300219.j7U2JWh3056721@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <025c01c5ad5f$9c7d1a70$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <2175.165.206.180.102.1125407972.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Dunno - I hauled a 2,000 pound Chapman from west-central Kansas to central Iowa in the back of my 3/4 ton Ford 4x4 with a 351. Had some other misc iron with it - horse-drawn trucks, etc., 3 people up front, etc. Rode like a Lincoln all the way home, hardly dropped it down, but the boom truck that put it in there, well, the front end came off the ground when he picked up the engine. Bill > Hey Rob, > > You're preaching to the choir on this one. I bought the Z71 so my son > would > have a 4WD for the snow in the Appalachians. He attends college there on > the 6 year plan and has managed to keep me broke for the last half decade! > > Given your info, I can just use my trusty 88 F-150, or maybe relicense my > 79 > Ford Courier and haul it in. Of course, those Maytag sized rust holes in > the bed and sides might let the mill crunch through. Still, I'd rather > drive a rusty Ford than a....OOPS, better not unleash that dog! Just > kidding folks! But I do wish these "toys" I like didn't weigh so much. > See > ya. > > Larry in Cat Square, NC, missing Katrina and glad of it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Question for the List > > >> >> > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a >> > piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, >> > probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill >> > and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this >> > hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a >> > bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't >> > know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance >> > for your input. >> >> Hi Larry, >> We've carried that much iron in the back of our Ford Ranger and dragged > MUCH >> larger loads behind it on the trailer. It's a small sized pickup with a > 2.3 >> liter engine. The truck still runs fine with 114,000 miles. >> >> But then again, our Ranger IS a Ford. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: >> 8/26/2005 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 06:38:52 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4314616C.8030902@imc-group.com> Hey Arnie, The back of my bottle of Dykem says "easy cleanup with Dykem Remover and Thinner". But if you don't want to purchase any, then chemicals in Dykem are: Butyl Acetate Ethyl Alcohol Butyl Alcohol Isopropyl Alcohol Maybe you've got some of those laying around the shop. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from >stainless steel? Thanks! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 06:51:43 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:51:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: Are Steve and Mel Webre ok? Not sure if Dick Gibbens is still on the SEL or not, is he ok after the hurricane damage? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 30 07:38:13 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in front of it did a decent job of it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg Steve PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 07:54:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:54:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo References: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c5ad72$bd733c10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks Steve, saw alot well known faces. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the > engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They > didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in > front of it did a decent job of it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg > > Steve > PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 09:04:57 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:04:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe someone else has some of the OFES area. I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( Here is the link: I hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 09:16:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:16:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo/Gals of the SEL In-Reply-To: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43148648.5030104@imc-group.com> Steve, Speaking of censors, in this photo only the good lookin' ones show. Here are the gals of the SEL. Curt P.S. Hmm wonder why there is no "gals of the FATG's" picture? :-) Steve Barr wrote: >Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the >engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They >didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in >front of it did a decent job of it. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg > >Steve >PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 09:20:31 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:20:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo In-Reply-To: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, What's the story on the big black blotches on the pictures? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: Steve Barr >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) > >Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the >engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They >didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in >front of it did a decent job of it. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg > >Steve >PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 09:20:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050830092093d936a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/05, Curt wrote: > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, > no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( > > Here is the link: > > > I hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > We have a couple of shots of the Wallis machines, and some of their engine as well. I'll try and get a start on the pictures tonight when we get home (17.20pm here) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 09:23:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, > no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > Here is the link: > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 30 09:25:21 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:25:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> <4314616C.8030902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c5ad7f$6dab93a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) > Hey Arnie, > The back of my bottle of Dykem says "easy cleanup with Dykem Remover and > Thinner". > But if you don't want to purchase any, then chemicals in Dykem are: > Butyl Acetate > Ethyl Alcohol > Butyl Alcohol > Isopropyl Alcohol > Maybe you've got some of those laying around the shop. > Curt Holland What do you mean , Curt? Arnie drinks 25% of them. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 09:41:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:41:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? John H. > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > See ya, Arnie From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Aug 30 09:47:56 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:47:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo/Gals of the SEL References: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> <43148648.5030104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43148DBC.964F3521@insulate.co.uk> Maybe no-one had a wide enough angle lens?? Dolly Trying to catch up on work and laundry, wishing she was practising a superfluity of naughtiness instead Curt wrote: > P.S. Hmm wonder why there is no "gals of the FATG's" picture? :-) > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 09:57:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:57:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <000c01c5ad7f$6dab93a0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> <4314616C.8030902@imc-group.com> <000c01c5ad7f$6dab93a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <43149004.3020505@imc-group.com> Dave Croft wrote: What do you mean , Curt? Arnie drinks 25% of them. Dave Croft Warrington, England Oh how right you are! And the weather was so spectacular each evening Arnie had lots of company as we stayed most evenings until 11 or 12 drinking heavy quantities of solvent. ;-) Curt From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 30 10:26:08 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:26:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009501c5ad88$4be8e980$230110ac@PAUL> Great pictures Curt, thanks for posting them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, no > tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( > > Here is the link: > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 30 10:31:29 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050830173129.66102.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie You must be talking about this one that was also shown as Coolsprings. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005cpm/048.jpg Steve --- John Hammink wrote: > Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? > > John H. > > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that > was > > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 10:31:34 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, I don't remember if there was a fancy primer on top. The feature that originally struck me was the funky 3-gear train that drove the ignitor shaft from the sideshaft. I had seen the engine at the Coolspring summer show, but never saw it running. When I saw it running at Portland I went to get my camera, but sadly got distracted back in the list area. (Possibly Dolly practicing a superfluity of naughtiness?) Later in the show when I went back to take pictures it was gone. 8-(( I think Tommy Turner also has one. It's an amazing engine to watch. There can't be but a couple of them out there. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 10:48:40 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <20050830173129.66102.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050830173129.66102.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Yep, that's the one. You can just make out the gear train behind that horizontal handle. That's why I wanted to take pictures at Portland. It was running and you could get good pics of it from all angles. Sigh... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Steve Barr wrote: > You must be talking about this one that was also shown as Coolsprings. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005cpm/048.jpg > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that > > > was setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 11:17:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:17:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com><001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <009301c5ad8f$195c5fe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Arnie, What I meant was this one, Steve gave me a sneak peek of his very nice pictures he had taken at Portland. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Webstergeartrain.jpg John H. PS Photo ? Steve Barr. > I don't remember if there was a fancy primer on top. The feature that > originally struck me was the funky 3-gear train that drove the ignitor > shaft from the sideshaft. > > I had seen the engine at the Coolspring summer show, but never saw it > running. When I saw it running at Portland I went to get my camera, but > sadly got distracted back in the list area. (Possibly Dolly practicing a > superfluity of naughtiness?) Later in the show when I went back to take > pictures it was gone. 8-(( > > I think Tommy Turner also has one. It's an amazing engine to watch. > There can't be but a couple of them out there. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? > > > > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > > > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > > See ya, Arnie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Tue Aug 30 11:22:49 2005 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:22:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Message-ID: <200508301824.j7UIOARi005704@rh72-2.newroadstelecom.net> Can the shaft of a webster mag be pressed out and replaced with a new one without messing up the armature? Bill Calvert From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 11:25:07 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:25:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00a301c5ad90$29ca8040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks for the pictures Curt, believe me I can't get enough looking them over and over all those pics of Portland that show up in the post. John H. > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, > no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( > > Here is the link: > > > I hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 30 11:45:03 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:45:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <083020051845.14786.4314A92F0004ED2F000039C221979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Luke, Just spoke with Arnie Fero and he said that Steve & Mel Webre are high and dry, the storm must of verd away from their home. Lets hope that the engine gods have taken care of many more. Curt > Are Steve and Mel Webre ok? Not sure if Dick Gibbens is still on the SEL or > not, is he ok after the hurricane damage? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 11:48:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <009301c5ad8f$195c5fe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com><001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <009301c5ad8f$195c5fe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, THAT'S IT!!!! Gorgeous engine; runs beautifully! 8-))) Another awesome engine was Tommy Turner's Miami. Truly amazing to look at his "before" pictures showing it as a log splitter! See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, John Hammink wrote: > What I meant was this one, Steve gave me a sneak peek of his > very nice pictures he had taken at Portland. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Webstergeartrain.jpg From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 30 13:45:23 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:45:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4314C563.9040005@scrtc.com> Arnie, Have you tried acetone? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from >stainless steel? Thanks! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 13:53:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engines on the Brain - From Wired Magazine Message-ID: Hi Folks, I thought you might enjoy reading the perspectives of a good friend of mine (a non-engine person) who attended the summer show at the Coolspring Power Museum. I think she picked up on the importance of the people-side of our hobby. 8-)) http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=6 She's a freelance writer in California and is also the Editor in Chief, Pitt Med Magazine, University of Pittsburgh. http://www.health.pitt.edu/pittmed/ See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 30 14:44:00 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engines on the Brain - From Wired Magazine References: Message-ID: <000501c5adab$ef47cc40$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Well done except for that "newclear engeneer" guy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Engines on the Brain - From Wired Magazine > Hi Folks, > > I thought you might enjoy reading the perspectives of a good friend of > mine (a non-engine person) who attended the summer show at the Coolspring > Power Museum. I think she picked up on the importance of the people-side > of our hobby. 8-)) > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=6 > > She's a freelance writer in California and is also the Editor in Chief, > Pitt Med Magazine, University of Pittsburgh. > http://www.health.pitt.edu/pittmed/ > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Aug 30 14:56:37 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:56:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <4314C563.9040005@scrtc.com> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> <4314C563.9040005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050830175510.040f7828@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, The last time he did I spent two days in a hospital with him and we missed the whole damn engine show! Dave At 04:45 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote: >Arnie, > > Have you tried acetone? > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 15:03:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:03:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 Message-ID: <6f6025160508301503d1658e4@mail.gmail.com> The first pages (1 through 5, 90 pictures) are ready and working, let me know if anything looks odd or you get a dud link anywhere. Should be able to do more each night, so pop back occasionally and see what else is ready for viewing. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/espana/trip.htm The Portland 40th Year icon is down the bottom on the right. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 30 15:49:52 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:49:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Is oil injection needed when converting an engine from liquid to gaseous fuel? In-Reply-To: <430C5E8B.3050604@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200508302250.j7UMo1ev023940@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > seen a lot of engines converted like this but never with any > kind of oil injection that I've noticed. Commercial. Mechanical oiler. One feed. Straight into the intake. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Aug 30 17:09:47 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:09:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <1fc.8f63557.30464f4b@aol.com> I checked with JB Castagnos this morning and he and his family came through the Hurricane OK, he lives West of New Orleans. See'ya, Bill Miller. From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 30 16:38:58 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:38:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show References: <001501c5ad5e$26af9760$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000001c5adc6$f77818a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Excellent Dave, not as good as being there, but thanks for sharing. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show > Hi guys, after a superb weekend at this show I have put the pictures of Onslow Park at > http://community.webshots.com/album/437720428hUXXAU > We were lucky enough to see the celebration of 100 years of Sentinel steam wagons. > They met in Scotland at the site of the original works, then drove to the last works in Shrewsbury, > (Near to the show). Almost all the steamers still working were there! > Also a good number of Stanley steam cars were at the show. > The working field was superb with every possible machinery in use. > (Lots of USA tractors as well). > A popular spot were the groups who were racing to build a Ferguson tractor from the production line parts. > (ISTR the winners took less than 30 mins) > Good show, good weather & good company, who needs more? > -- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 30 18:28:11 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:28:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <009801c5adcb$42df1650$5ee84c0c@D48VHZ61> Lacquer thinner should work. It should also remove permanent marker. We use more permanent markers than Dykem. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) > Hi Folks, > > What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from > stainless steel? Thanks! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rtbush at charter.net Tue Aug 30 18:32:44 2005 From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:32:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice Coolspring article Message-ID: <431508BC.5010108@charter.net> Here's a nice piece about the Coolspring show from a high-tech web site, Wired.com. Enjoy. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=6 Bob Bushorr Brimfield, Massachusetts From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 30 18:56:01 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:56:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <20050830.215601.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi guys, Returned from Portland, IN on Sunday. If you care to view some photos - check out my community webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz Click "Portland, IN 2k5" Let me know what ya think. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 30 19:18:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland pictures. Message-ID: <43151383.5020204@earthlink.net> Hi all, Paul asked and now he received, as did the rest of us. Thanks to all of you for sharing. I'll be looking at them through the week as there are so many. I really love the larger thumbs that Peter is using, and prefer the pics on web sites as opposed to image hosting. Much better load time on a dedicated site. It is great to see the difference in what you took photos of. Some do more people pics, and others more engines. Nice balance so far. Can't believe I recognize some of the people that I have yet to meet. Good feeling. Jeff Allen P.S. Any pictures of the baptism of Dave? I saw he was saved. P.P.S. Must not have been a Baptist ceremony considering the alcohol around. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Aug 30 21:11:33 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:11:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <008a01c5ade2$144ecd50$69696e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> acetone Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) Hi Folks, What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from stainless steel? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 30 22:08:23 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:08:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 Message-ID: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Peter. When I try: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Portland05035.htm I don't get a picture. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:03:47 +0100 Listerdiesel writes: > The first pages (1 through 5, 90 pictures) are ready and working, > let > me know if anything looks odd or you get a dud link anywhere. > > Should be able to do more each night, so pop back occasionally and > see > what else is ready for viewing. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/espana/trip.htm > > The Portland 40th Year icon is down the bottom on the right. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 00:43:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:43:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 In-Reply-To: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605083100433903bde@mail.gmail.com> On 8/31/05, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Peter. > When I try: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Portland05035.htm > I don't get a picture. > > Ron Haskell Sorry, Ron, the template had 05235.jpg as the picture number which hasn't been processed yet. I have changed the number to 05035.jpg and it is OK now. There will be a few odd glitches until we have them all ironed out. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 07:24:58 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:24:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 Message-ID: <20050831.104919.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Peter, I get the pic - Nice job. Is that the engine that was on Keith's trailer? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 31 09:42:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:42:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Check This Out on Ebay........ Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7541240949 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 31 05:42:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:42:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN References: <20050830.215601.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: VERY NICELY DONE, Pip!!! What a way to spend coffee in the morning, watching the slideshow!! Thank you all for posting the pictures..'preciate it. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN > Hi guys, > > Returned from Portland, IN on Sunday. > If you care to view some photos - check out my community webshots. > http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > Click "Portland, IN 2k5" > Let me know what ya think. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember > \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 31 05:18:34 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:18:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN References: <20050830.215601.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000001c5ae4c$033faf60$230110ac@PAUL> Great pictures Joe, thanks so much for taking them, processing them, and putting them out there for all of us to see. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN > Hi guys, > > Returned from Portland, IN on Sunday. > If you care to view some photos - check out my community webshots. > http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > Click "Portland, IN 2k5" > Let me know what ya think. > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Aug 31 05:34:16 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 8:34:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <48vksc$1cso2hq@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> We made it through the Katrina OK, power out and debris, no structural damage or flooding. We were on the west side. Dick Gibbens is still out of power but no other problems. Steve and Mel are well west of here, shouldn't have had any problems. We have relatives in from New Orleans, water is to the windows in their houses, don't know when they'll get to go look. Thanks for checking, J.B. Castagnos From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Aug 31 14:03:20 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:03:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small Cog Belt Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7053C76B7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Paul, take a look at a belt sander drive belt. Identical to a timing belt, but smaller. Would that be too small? How about a timing belt from, say, a three cylinder Geo? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com Do a google for small parts,inc. They carry all kinds of small belting,adjustable-size belts, bearings,rod,tubing....you name it, they probably sell it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Maples wrote: >Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >___ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From nick at holden1.net Wed Aug 31 09:31:00 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:31:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <4315DB44.000003.25840@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all hope you all had a good time at Portland for those of you that went hear are some photos from the Great Dorset Steam Fair today Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 31 14:39:51 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:39:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check This Out on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26e2eee84fc58e7514381aec9039817f@chartertn.net> Sick. I'd like it without the tabletop. John On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7541240949 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:08:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:08:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508311508201c5ed4@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/05, Curt wrote: > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( The pictures we took of the two Wallis tractors are on Page 11 of the Portland pictures. The pages will be up to Page 12 tonight, just working on 11 and 12 now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:21:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:21:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508311521af0ffe5@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > See ya, Arnie > That is also on Page 11 with the Wallis pictures, we took 3 pic's, including a close-up of the ignitor drive side..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:37:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:37:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 In-Reply-To: <20050831.104919.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050831.104919.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605083115376af0c941@mail.gmail.com> On 8/31/05, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I get the pic - Nice job. > > Is that the engine that was on Keith's trailer? > Hi Joe: Not sure which engine you are referring to, but Keith Kinney's engine is on a couple of pictures on Page 12. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 31 19:20:53 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? Message-ID: <11ff0341c04d6b7246207da3584e5801@chartertn.net> Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Aug 31 19:32:07 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:32:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? Message-ID: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> And I thought we were bad at $2.99.9. We were at $2.58.9 on the weekend. Ken (Thankful for our Honda) > [Original Message] > From: John Culp > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 8/31/2005 10:25:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? > > Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that > a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas > station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station > where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR > race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me > to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to > find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of > regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I > was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be > limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 31 19:37:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:37:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? In-Reply-To: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050831223511.03f8f5f8@mail.alltel.net> Hell Ken, John got it last week for $1.459. He should have filled up his basement at that price! Dave At 10:32 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >And I thought we were bad at $2.99.9. We were at $2.58.9 >on the weekend. > >Ken >(Thankful for our Honda) > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John Culp > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 8/31/2005 10:25:46 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? > > > > Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that > > a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas > > station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station > > where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR > > race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me > > to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to > > find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of > > regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I > > was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be > > limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. > > > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdi at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 31 19:37:49 2005 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:37:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Q on engine at Portland Message-ID: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> In this Portland picture: (very nice set of pix, by the way!!), there is a small brass petcock valve on top of the engine cylinder. What's this used for? There isn't a cup, so I don't think it's for priming- or is it? Thanks! Rick (Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/ ) From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Aug 31 19:46:07 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:46:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? References: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <003001c5ae9f$4f81d8f0$5b0c7643@D6R3D961> I paid $3.34.9 this afternoon, same place tonight coming home was $3.39.9 ouch Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? > And I thought we were bad at $2.99.9. We were at $2.58.9 > on the weekend. > > Ken > (Thankful for our Honda) > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John Culp >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 8/31/2005 10:25:46 PM >> Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? >> >> Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that >> a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas >> station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station >> where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR >> race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me >> to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to >> find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of >> regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I >> was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be >> limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 19:20:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:20:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <20050831.224530.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Glad you like them Rick & Paul, It's my first try at posting a "bunch" of pics at one time. I have inserted captions on some but I think the captions are on top in white. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 19:26:40 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:26:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <20050831.224530.856.3.jlb94@juno.com> Nice pics Nick, I've always had a soft spot for steam traction engines. Used to pilot a 1923 - 12 Ton Buffalo Springfield Road Roller. Very Nice, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 19:26:56 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:26:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <20050831.224530.856.4.jlb94@juno.com> Glad you're okay, JB. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 31 19:50:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:50:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Q on engine at Portland In-Reply-To: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050831225022.022347a0@mail.alltel.net> At 10:37 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >In this Portland picture: > >(very nice set of pix, by the way!!), there is a small brass petcock valve >on top of the engine cylinder. What's this used for? There isn't a cup, so >I don't think it's for priming- or is it? > >Thanks! >Rick >(Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/ ) Compression release. Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 31 20:03:46 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:03:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Q on engine at Portland In-Reply-To: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <43166F92.8090207@scrtc.com> Rick, I think its just used as a compression release. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Rick I. wrote: >In this Portland picture: > >(very nice set of pix, by the way!!), there is a small brass petcock valve >on top of the engine cylinder. What's this used for? There isn't a cup, so >I don't think it's for priming- or is it? > >Thanks! >Rick >(Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/ ) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 31 20:17:11 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:17:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction proceeds. Message-ID: <431672B7.3040403@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got to view an hour long special on hurricane Katrina. Words can't come close to describing what I saw. I know there is government help and international help on the way. Cash money is needed now. Cast your vote. Mine is for all proceeds from this auction to folks on the ground that can use the money to help. Jeff Allen From bcl at wacotx.cx Wed Aug 31 20:58:17 2005 From: bcl at wacotx.cx (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:58:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? In-Reply-To: <11ff0341c04d6b7246207da3584e5801@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001b01c5aea9$63f27fb0$a0dea8c0@OFFICELEW> Worst thing about this is the prices of EVERYTHING will be affected; everything we use is shipped from somewhere to somewhere! Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 23:36:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:36:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050831223511.03f8f5f8@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050831223511.03f8f5f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160508312336530323e1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hell Ken, John got it last week for $1.459. He should have filled up his > basement at that price! > Dave > Be thankful for small mercies, we are up to $8.50 - $9.00 a gallon over here! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 31 22:51:56 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:51:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <000701c5aeb9$468fa910$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Don't get my own post back. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 23:05:57 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:05:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 References: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002801c5adf2$11902f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Peter, last night I saw them, but did only a quick look. This morning I got the same as Ron. Note: the two red monitor pics on page two were oval compressed. Take care, John H. > Hi Peter. > When I try: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Portland05035.htm > I don't get a picture. > > Ron Haskell From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 1 02:50:02 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:50:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080120050950.28261.42EDF049000E3AF700006E6521979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Bill, Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful. thanks again, Curt Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber behind the craft building. > Curt: > > While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly relevant > to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, too. > > My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making kit > for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a > few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is > reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when building > fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap on > that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that > matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the torque > right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the > fence strand. > > David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. Point > being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're > wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the > desired diameter. > > Curt, I met you at the Baraboo, Wisconsin show a few years back, didn't I? > That was the year Reg Ingold was in town. I don't get out much, haven't met > many of the list members and have forgotten the names and faces of many I > have met. I just learned that a neighbor is going to Baraboo this season, > he has a couple of Oliver crawlers he wants to take over. Maybe I'll make > the show this year. It's only about 3 hours from my place. > > Take care, you're welcome to my ignorance on the subject, I have plenty to > share. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > cgandree at mchsi.com > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. Have you > made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more > details. > Curt > > > > Here ya go, Curt. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html > > > > B? > > > > Bill Brueck (brick) > > Chatfield, MN, USA > > > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > cgandree at mchsi.com > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM > > To: SEL Lists > > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring > > > > Hi All, > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > > springs. > > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. Not > a > > common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked with one of > > the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 1 02:52:58 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:52:58 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080120050952.29099.42EDF0FA0001CCE3000071AB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Dave and all list, Forgot to mention I don't own a lathe so looking for a method using some sort of hand tools. thankyou, Curt > Curt > > One way is to have a screw thread bar held in the chuck with a cross hole to > take the end of the > spring wire. Set the carriage feed to the same pitch as the thread. In the > tool holder have a > piece of steel bar with a hole drilled through it the same size as the spring > wire so that the > wire is fed through in a controlled manner onto the screw thread bar. Put a > grub screw down > through the wire feeder to press against the spring wire and adjust the pressure > to keep it tight. > If you are being posh, the grub screw could have a brass slug so that it is > brass rubbing against > the steel instead of the hard steel. > > Wear stout gloves - that wire will cut through your hand with consummate ease. > > Hope this helps > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying > > to coil it? Would like step by step details. I do know about sources for > > spring wire stock as well. > > Curt > > > > > > > Hi Curt. > > > There are a couple of ways that I know of. First is get the spring wire > > > from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or > > > three feet long. bend it to the shape you want. The problem is it > > > springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the > > > end. > > > The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and > > > doesn't spring back. When you get the size and shape you want, heat it > > > to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you > > > have a spring. The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years > > > ago (time flies when you are having fun). Good luck. > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes: > > > > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > > > > springs. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 1 03:13:26 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:13:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <080120050952.29099.42EDF0FA0001CCE3000071AB21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20050801101326.43354.qmail@web25504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Curt Try putting the threaded bar(if the spring is short, a screw will do) in a hand drill and support the other end in some sort of bearing in the bench vice. Have an assistant hold the wire (wearing gloves) tight as you wind, or if no assistant, rig up the steel bar with hole as previously mentioned and secure that to your work bench. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Dave and all list, > Forgot to mention I don't own a lathe so looking for a method using some sort > of hand tools. > thankyou, > Curt > > > > Curt > > > > One way is to have a screw thread bar held in the chuck with a cross hole to > > take the end of the > > spring wire. Set the carriage feed to the same pitch as the thread. In the > > tool holder have a > > piece of steel bar with a hole drilled through it the same size as the spring > > wire so that the > > wire is fed through in a controlled manner onto the screw thread bar. Put a > > grub screw down > > through the wire feeder to press against the spring wire and adjust the pressure > > to keep it tight. > > If you are being posh, the grub screw could have a brass slug so that it is > > brass rubbing against > > the steel instead of the hard steel. > > > > Wear stout gloves - that wire will cut through your hand with consummate ease. > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Dave > > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > > > > > > --- cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > > > > > Thanks Ron but did you use some sort of jig to help hold the wire while trying > > > to coil it? Would like step by step details. I do know about sources for > > > spring wire stock as well. > > > Curt > > > > > > > > > > Hi Curt. > > > > There are a couple of ways that I know of. First is get the spring wire > > > > from a hobby shop, I think they come in lots of diameters and two or > > > > three feet long. bend it to the shape you want. The problem is it > > > > springs back so you have to made it smaller diameter than you want in the > > > > end. > > > > The other is get wire from an Orthodontist (sp) it can be bent easily and > > > > doesn't spring back. When you get the size and shape you want, heat it > > > > to a dull red and let it air cool, I don't think I quenched it, and you > > > > have a spring. The trick with the dental wire was more than thirty years > > > > ago (time flies when you are having fun). Good luck. > > > > > > > > Ron Haskell > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 10:03:02 +0000 cgandree at mchsi.com writes: > > > > > > > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > > > > > springs. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 1 03:12:18 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:12:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring References: <080120050950.28261.42EDF049000E3AF700006E6521979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <0ba801c59685$85b9cbd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Can anyone put up a pic of this tool please? If I can see it, I can make it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > Hi Bill, > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > like > one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of pliers > and > was not successful. > thanks again, > Curt > > Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber > behind > the craft building. > > >> Curt: >> >> While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly >> relevant >> to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, >> too. >> >> My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making >> kit >> for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a >> few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is >> reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when >> building >> fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap >> on >> that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that >> matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the torque >> right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the >> fence strand. >> >> David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. Point >> being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're >> wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the >> desired diameter. >> >> Curt, I met you at the Baraboo, Wisconsin show a few years back, didn't >> I? >> That was the year Reg Ingold was in town. I don't get out much, haven't >> met >> many of the list members and have forgotten the names and faces of many I >> have met. I just learned that a neighbor is going to Baraboo this >> season, >> he has a couple of Oliver crawlers he wants to take over. Maybe I'll >> make >> the show this year. It's only about 3 hours from my place. >> >> Take care, you're welcome to my ignorance on the subject, I have plenty >> to >> share. >> >> B? >> >> Bill Brueck (brick) >> Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> cgandree at mchsi.com >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. Have >> you >> made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more >> details. >> Curt >> >> >> > Here ya go, Curt. >> > >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html >> > >> > B? >> > >> > Bill Brueck (brick) >> > Chatfield, MN, USA >> > >> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> > cgandree at mchsi.com >> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM >> > To: SEL Lists >> > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring >> > >> > Hi All, >> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own >> > springs. >> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. >> > Not >> a >> > common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked with one >> > of >> > the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. >> > thankyou in advance, >> > Curt Andree >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Aug 1 04:50:07 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:50:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <0ba801c59685$85b9cbd0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20050801115007.35998.qmail@web25507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Depending on size of lathe to be used, a piece of BMS about 1/2" square and say 6" long. Drill hole for wire about 3/4" from one end. Use slitting saw to cut on same axis as hole from the end of bar into hole. Slit should be narrower than hole so that wire remains in hole and cannot slide into slit. Before slitting, drill crosswise for a clamping screw in the slit so that tension on the wire feed can be adjusted by tightening the clamp screw as required to keep the feed tight. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- R & M Ingold wrote: > Can anyone put up a pic of this tool please? > If I can see it, I can make it. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:50 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > > like > > one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of pliers > > and > > was not successful. > > thanks again, > > Curt > > > > Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber > > behind > > the craft building. > > > > > >> Curt: > >> > >> While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly > >> relevant > >> to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, > >> too. > >> > >> My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making > >> kit > >> for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it successfully a > >> few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is > >> reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when > >> building > >> fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight wrap > >> on > >> that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that > >> matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the torque > >> right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to the > >> fence strand. > >> > >> David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. Point > >> being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that you're > >> wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to the > >> desired diameter. > >> cgandree at mchsi.com > >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM > >> To: The SEL email discussion list > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > >> > >> Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. Have > >> you > >> made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more > >> details. > >> Curt > >> > >> > >> > Here ya go, Curt. > >> > > >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html > >> > > >> > B? > >> > > >> > Bill Brueck (brick) > >> > Chatfield, MN, USA > >> > > >> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > >> > cgandree at mchsi.com > >> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM > >> > To: SEL Lists > >> > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own > >> > springs. > >> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. > >> > Not a common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked with one > >> > of the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. > >> > thankyou in advance, > >> > Curt Andree ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 1 05:10:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:10:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring References: <20050801115007.35998.qmail@web25507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0c1701c59692$e72d6270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thanks Dave. Got the idea now. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a spring > Depending on size of lathe to be used, a piece of BMS about 1/2" square > and say 6" long. Drill > hole for wire about 3/4" from one end. Use slitting saw to cut on same > axis as hole from the end > of bar into hole. Slit should be narrower than hole so that wire remains > in hole and cannot slide > into slit. Before slitting, drill crosswise for a clamping screw in the > slit so that tension on > the wire feed can be adjusted by tightening the clamp screw as required to > keep the feed tight. > > Regards > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > --- R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Can anyone put up a pic of this tool please? >> If I can see it, I can make it. >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:50 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> >> > >> > Hi Bill, >> > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig >> > like >> > one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair of >> > pliers >> > and >> > was not successful. >> > thanks again, >> > Curt >> > >> > Hope you can make Baraboo, look for the SEL group back in the timber >> > behind >> > the craft building. >> > >> > >> >> Curt: >> >> >> >> While I'd be glad go off list if you wish, the topic is certainly >> >> relevant >> >> to the list and if we pool our ignorance maybe it will benefit others, >> >> too. >> >> >> >> My spring making experience is pretty slim. I did get a spring making >> >> kit >> >> for Christmas or something many years ago and have used it >> >> successfully a >> >> few times. It came with an assortment of wire and a tool that is >> >> reminiscent of that little pocket-sized jig we used to carry when >> >> building >> >> fence. Maybe you know the device, it was for getting a good tight >> >> wrap >> >> on >> >> that short piece of wire that attached the barbed (or woven, for that >> >> matter) wire to the steel post. The point was that it applied the >> >> torque >> >> right next to where you really wanted the wire to bend, just next to >> >> the >> >> fence strand. >> >> >> >> David's post references this same need with the jig he describes. >> >> Point >> >> being that if you can apply the pressure right near the form that >> >> you're >> >> wrapping the wire around, the resulting wrap will be pretty close to >> >> the >> >> desired diameter. > > >> >> cgandree at mchsi.com >> >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 5:52 AM >> >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> >> >> Thankyou very much Bill, this is the article I was searching for. >> >> Have >> >> you >> >> made any springs before? Please contact me off line to discuss more >> >> details. >> >> Curt >> >> >> >> >> >> > Here ya go, Curt. >> >> > >> >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~bazillion/springs.html >> >> > >> >> > B? >> >> > >> >> > Bill Brueck (brick) >> >> > Chatfield, MN, USA >> >> > >> >> > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> >> > cgandree at mchsi.com >> >> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:03 AM >> >> > To: SEL Lists >> >> > Subject: [SEL] Making a spring >> >> > >> >> > Hi All, >> >> > Some time ago someone posted an article on how you can make your own >> >> > springs. >> >> > I need to make up a spring for my trip lever on my 2hp R&V model SR. >> >> > Not a common spring found in hardware store supplies. Also checked >> >> > with one >> >> > of the popular Mag & Igintor rebuilders. >> >> > thankyou in advance, >> >> > Curt Andree > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 1 05:43:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:43:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring References: <20050801115007.35998.qmail@web25507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0c1701c59692$e72d6270$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: This might help also; Go to www.mcmaster.com and dial in spring looping tool or go to page 3513. Click on the picture and it will enlarge. RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Aug 1 06:15:24 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:15:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment Message-ID: Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop lineshaft driven machine shop?? We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks gang in anticipation RickinMt. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 1 07:13:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:13:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <080120050950.28261.42EDF049000E3AF700006E6521979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200508011413.j71EDpM3070303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of > holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting > doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful. Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this item offered from MSC: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll have the material on hand. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Aug 1 07:26:37 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:26:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080120051426.29339.42EE311D000BA5850000729B21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rick, will check out what they have. Curt > This might help also; > > Go to www.mcmaster.com and dial in spring looping tool or go to page 3513. > Click on the picture and it will enlarge. > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From b2 at chooka.net Mon Aug 1 07:28:03 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:28:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508010928391.SM02420@wrbpc> The one I have is much simpler, you clamp the form (usually a bolt) in a vise and move the tool around it. I should have time this evening to take some shots, including with the tool "in action" so you can see what it is and how to use it. Maybe someone can find it in a tool catalog, something more pedestrian than McMaster. The tool I have probably came from an outfit like Harbor Freight, although I just checked their website and didn't find anything. Now I just hope I can find it, LOL. Yeah, I can picture just which drawer it's in, unless those grandkids... I agree, Curt, pliers just don't do it. The bend radius is too long an arc, you need to keep the pressure right up next to the form. Again, a lesson learned in fence making days. Wish I could take a shot of the fence tool but I don?t think I have one. It's even simpler since it's for a single purpose (approximate radius and size of wire). Maybe I can sketch that for you. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strobel Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:43 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Making a spring This might help also; Go to www.mcmaster.com and dial in spring looping tool or go to page 3513. Click on the picture and it will enlarge. RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 1 07:43:09 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Rick, How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. How about an old planer or horizontal mill? Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, >engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 >morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a >bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop >lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm >wrong. > > Thanks gang in anticipation >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Aug 1 08:56:04 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:56:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <200508011413.j71EDpM3070303@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200508011056200.SM02420@wrbpc> This is close to what I have, likely better than what I have. I will try to send directions tonight to build-your-own for a specific sized form, built on the concept of the fencing tool I used to use. But I expect something like Rob references would do an easier job of maintaining a consistent pitch. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:14 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair > of pliers and was not successful. Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this item offered from MSC: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll have the material on hand. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ihcboggs at jayco.net Mon Aug 1 11:56:54 2005 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne Boggs) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:56:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Message-ID: <001a01c596ca$cc6839f0$705428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hey all. Hope some of you might remember us. We have the international understrike "M" engines. We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. This engine has a spark plug. (think part of the mag has been tapped for the plug) Has part of a Webster Mag. Don't know much about the Economy but would appreiate any info. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 1 13:00:33 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:00:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted Message-ID: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. Curt http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 1 13:27:15 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> References: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Looking good Curt! I assume that we'll see it running at Portland? Only 22 days, 7 hours, 36 minutes and 49 seconds for the paint to dry. 8-)) http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/portlandcountdow.html See ya, Arnie On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 1 13:42:39 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points Message-ID: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> While I'm not trying to promote a specific product or person selling items, I thought I would share some info with fellow list members about ignitor point material. I ran an ad on Harry's about a month or so ago seeking high quality ignitor point material. I had a decent stash of the high grade stuff over the years (which I got at the old Hagan Factory purchase) but it has eventually dwindled due to building several ignitors and I've given quite a bit of it away to others who needed it. I got several suggestions and responses on where to find replacement points. Bill Lopoulos sent me an email that he had "Meteor Metal" which was the same basic metal makeup of the old original ignitor point material. I got some from him and silver soldered 3/16" think wafers on to the original contacts. I was having to remove the ignitor and clean points about every 45 minutes before. I've ran the engine probably 4 hours with the Meteor Metal points and it hasn't missed a lick. Great stuff! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Aug 1 14:03:46 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:03:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Message-ID: <54.495e46ce.301fe832@aol.com> In a message dated 8/1/2005 2:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ihcboggs at jayco.net writes: << We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. >> According to "History of Hercules Engines" your engine was made between 1921 and 1923 for the F models, but by the serial number it is 1919. Perhaps Glenn can shed some light on this difference, It is estimated that only 20,000 were made for the F model. Used a Webster mag and I think are nice running engines. I have a 7E that I tow to the shows right now. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 1 14:05:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:05:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points In-Reply-To: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> References: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Several years ago I (like you) got some "meteor metal" from Bill in order to replace the points in my 16 HP Galloway ignitor. Like you (as well) I found it to be all that Bill said it was! Dave PS, Like you (as well) I own 5% of the company that Bill runs! At 04:42 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >While I'm not trying to promote a specific product or person selling >items, I thought I would share some info with fellow list members about >ignitor point material. I ran an ad on Harry's about a month or so ago >seeking high quality ignitor point material. I had a decent stash of the >high grade stuff over the years (which I got at the old Hagan Factory >purchase) but it has eventually dwindled due to building several ignitors >and I've given quite a bit of it away to others who needed it. >I got several suggestions and responses on where to find replacement >points. Bill Lopoulos sent me an email that he had "Meteor Metal" which >was the same basic metal makeup of the old original ignitor point >material. I got some from him and silver soldered 3/16" think wafers on >to the original contacts. I was having to remove the ignitor and clean >points about every 45 minutes before. I've ran the engine probably 4 >hours with the Meteor Metal points and it hasn't missed a lick. Great stuff! > >Tommy Turner From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 1 16:26:42 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 17:26:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, Here are the lineshaft pictures I took this weekend. They are from the blacksmith shop in Bird City. I shrunked em down a bit. Anyone wants full size contact me and I'll build another page. Huge files. The machine next to the lathe appears to be a mill. The project in the vice looked like a bolt they were cutting the head on. Not running while I was there. Jeff Allen Richard Strobel wrote: > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, >engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 >morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a >bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop >lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm >wrong. > > Thanks gang in anticipation >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gibsongus at myway.com Mon Aug 1 16:27:26 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <20050801232726.230BF39B0@mprdmxin.myway.com> I go to LBJohnson Hardware they have all kinds Well I tricked the guy on earthlink I called on my cell phone and when he told me what to do it worked, I only had 285 mesiages???-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Mon 08/01, Rob Skinner < rskinner at rustyiron.com > wrote: From: Rob Skinner [mailto: rskinner at rustyiron.com]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 07:13:43 -0700Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring> Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of > holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting > doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful.Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at thisitem offered from MSC:http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintainingpitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has twodifferent spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'llhave the material on hand.Rob=-=-=-=-=-=Rob SkinnerLa Habra, Californiamailto:rskinner at rustyiron.comhttp://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 1 17:07:45 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:07:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> References: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42EEB951.600@earthlink.net> OOPS!! :-( http://oldirongallery.com/LS.html Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Rick, > > Here are the lineshaft pictures I took this weekend. They are from the > blacksmith shop in Bird City. I shrunked em down a bit. Anyone wants > full size contact me and I'll build another page. Huge files. The > machine next to the lathe appears to be a mill. The project in the > vice looked like a bolt they were cutting the head on. Not running > while I was there. > > Jeff Allen > > Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, >> engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, >> w/#4 morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice >> kiln. >> >> So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and >> possibly a bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in >> the ole mom and pop lineshaft driven machine shop?? >> >> We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if >> I'm wrong. >> >> Thanks gang in anticipation >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Aug 1 17:18:15 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:18:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted Message-ID: <20050801.202012.928.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Excellent job !!! It will be a Gem for sure. Hope to see it running soon. (Portland) ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 17:34:13 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20050802003413.33686.qmail@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very cruel, Curt. Right after I share with the list that there is only a very slim chance I will make it to Portland this year you go and share pictures like that,,,,, I don't think you understand how GREAT that engine running next to my Reggie-Moto Monitor/Pump would look!! It is painted that beautiful deep red color. Alan Bowen --- Curt wrote: > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > Curt > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Mon Aug 1 17:54:31 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:54:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: Message-ID: <00a401c596fc$bf0f40a0$14b9869d@ibm22761389857> I am in the process of putting together a line shaft driven smithy. I have read somewhere that shaft speed depends on several things. A wood shop shaft would run faster than one in a metal shop because most wood equipment runs faster than most metal equipment. I don't have the numbers handy but I think I am shooting for about 250 main shaft speed. You can get any reasonable speed with different pulleys from there. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Cc: "Corky Harris" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 09:15 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, > engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 > morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly a > bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and pop > lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if I'm > wrong. > > Thanks gang in anticipation > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 18:04:09 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:04:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F In-Reply-To: <54.495e46ce.301fe832@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050802010409.73342.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi DeWayne, I was wondering about that serial number. Are you VERY sure that is an F? I have seen several Hercules engine that the owners truly believed they were F models, but actually they were a bad stamp and really were E models. I have a 1918 1 1/2HP Hercules E that is stamped poorly and looks like an F. The serial number, mag and the slant of the main bearing caps say it IS an E. Are there still springs or posts to mount springs on the Webster? Were the springs on the engine side or on the outside of the mag? My wife's Step-father has a 1921 1 1/2HP Hercules F that really IS an F. It has the later Webster with the springs on the engine side. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/2005 2:59:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ihcboggs at jayco.net writes: > > << We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. > >> > > > According to "History of Hercules Engines" your engine was made between 1921 > and 1923 for the F models, but by the serial number it is 1919. Perhaps Glenn > can shed some light on this difference, It is estimated that only 20,000 were > made for the F model. Used a Webster mag and I think are nice running > engines. I have a 7E that I tow to the shows right now. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 1 18:43:10 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:43:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, thanks for the great step by step restoration , it has been a pleasure to watch the progress Devin and yourself have made .Cant wait to see it finished .Dave in oz >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL >Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted >Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:00:33 -0400 > >Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack parts. >Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. >Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. >Curt >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Your opinion counts..for your chance to win a Mini Cooper click here http://www.qualifiedopinions.com/joinup.php?source=hotmail From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 1 18:55:22 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:55:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> References: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42EED28A.4020107@scrtc.com> Dave, When I saw how good the Meteor Metal worked, I bought 10%! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > > PS, Like you (as well) I own 5% of the company that Bill runs! > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Aug 1 18:58:34 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:58:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F References: <001a01c596ca$cc6839f0$705428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <000701c59705$b2c65460$f9ea123f@oemcomputer> DeWayne, An F model would have had the Webster 2C magneto system. That is a different Webster than you usually see. It was not too successful and often times is replaced with some other ignition system. The Webster 2C magneto system is hard to fine. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne Boggs" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Hey all. Hope some of you might remember us. We have the international understrike "M" engines. We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. This engine has a spark plug. (think part of the mag has been tapped for the plug) Has part of a Webster Mag. Don't know much about the Economy but would appreiate any info. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From glenn.karch at gte.net Mon Aug 1 19:03:14 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 21:03:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F References: <001a01c596ca$cc6839f0$705428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <002d01c59706$599bae20$f9ea123f@oemcomputer> DeWayne, I think the others are right. I bet is is a poorly stamped E because that is an E model serial number. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "DeWayne Boggs" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [SEL] 5HP Economy F Hey all. Hope some of you might remember us. We have the international understrike "M" engines. We just came across a Economy 5hp F engine. The serial number is 186469. This engine has a spark plug. (think part of the mag has been tapped for the plug) Has part of a Webster Mag. Don't know much about the Economy but would appreiate any info. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 1 19:23:19 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:23:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Testimony on Ignitor Points In-Reply-To: <42EED28A.4020107@scrtc.com> References: <42EE893F.4090101@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050801170053.04040550@mail.alltel.net> <42EED28A.4020107@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050801222234.04047338@mail.alltel.net> ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave At 09:55 PM 8/1/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > > When I saw how good the Meteor Metal worked, I bought 10%! > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY >> >>PS, Like you (as well) I own 5% of the company that Bill runs! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Aug 1 21:00:12 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:00:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Blackstone Running Message-ID: <20050802035948.ZNMO5303.omta04ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here are a couple of short videos of a mate's 8hp Blackstone running. It had not been started in about 8 months and went first pull :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/05073101.AVI (about 2.3mb) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/psengines/05073102.AVI (about 1.5mb) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From b2 at chooka.net Mon Aug 1 21:59:25 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:59:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring In-Reply-To: <200508011056200.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <200508012359814.SM02420@wrbpc> Will have to await another evening for the pics, got tied up with a family member in hospital with heart / blood clot problems. Young woman in her late 20's, sure hope they don?t send her home without dealing with this. Seems to me like she's pretty vulnerable. I did find the tool where I thought it was, it comes from Brookstone. I think of that company as high on quality and higher on price. A check of their website now seems to indicate it's not the same company any more, they're more into the consumer stuff now and not much into tools. I will try to describe how to make a device modeled after the fence making tool I used to carry. Don't know if I have such a tool now, you buy the wires pre-formed now to attach the fence to the steel posts and you don't need this tool any longer. Anyway, it's REAL SIMPLE: Take a piece of 1/8 inch strap, 1 inch wide, 8 inches long. That's all the materials you'll need. Identify the size of form you want to use; let's say a 3/8 inch bolt or rod will give you the approximate inside diameter of the resulting spring. Heat the strap at one end, maybe the last inch or so, and bend it around the rod to form a U with the long end being the cold end of the strap, the short end just long enough to complete the U shape, a little extra won't hurt. Don't close the U past the ends being parallel, you need to be able to slip the strap on and off the bolt with comfortable clearance. Now mount it in the vise, sticking the long end into the vise and the U thus inverted, you're looking at the flat side...either flat side, doesn't matter. Take a hack saw and cut maybe 3/16 of an inch off either side of the strap. On the short leg of the U, cut on through the end of that leg of the U. On the other side cut far enough so that if you were to stick your spring wire perpendicularly into the kerf it would just touch the form if it were in the U. Then cut in to meet your vertical kerf from the side, cutting down at a slight angle so that you have a bit of a notch in the (big) part that's left after you cut through. That's all there is to it. Probably dress it down a bit with a wheel or file. You'll eventually want to cut and notch the other side as well so you can turn right and left hand springs, you'll figure that out in a bit. Now mount the bolt / form into the vise, horizontally if you have room, or vertically if you don't (having room will make sense shortly). Anchor the end of your spring wire. (I usually do this as part of tightening the bolt/form into the vise. Making a flat spot on the bolt where you clamp it would be helpful here.) Now slide the tool onto the form, notch toward the vise, and engage the wire in the notch. Start turning and you'll wind up your new spring. Getting the coil spacing even will take a little practice, for starters just wind it tight to the previous coil. Let me know how you make out. I confess to not having made one of these, I do kind of the same process with the Brookstone tool. It has the advantage of a spacing deal to help wind an evenly spaced spring. If I had time this evening I would have made one like I described and taken a picture. But the resulting tool should be a slightly larger version of what I used making fence a generation or 2 ago. That was a little smaller, the wire was mild and the radius was small and the tool was made to slip into your overalls pocket comfortably. Happy winding! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:56 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring This is close to what I have, likely better than what I have. I will try to send directions tonight to build-your-own for a specific sized form, built on the concept of the fencing tool I used to use. But I expect something like Rob references would do an easier job of maintaining a consistent pitch. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:14 AM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair > of pliers and was not successful. Hi Curt, I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this item offered from MSC: http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll have the material on hand. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 2 02:22:06 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:22:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080220050922.10859.42EF3B3E00063B9300002A6B21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Bill you take care of that family member first and hope that all goes well. Ive got general idea of what your describing but a couple of pictures are worth a 1000 words. thanks again, Curt > Will have to await another evening for the pics, got tied up with a family > member in hospital with heart / blood clot problems. Young woman in her > late 20's, sure hope they don?t send her home without dealing with this. > Seems to me like she's pretty vulnerable. > > I did find the tool where I thought it was, it comes from Brookstone. I > think of that company as high on quality and higher on price. A check of > their website now seems to indicate it's not the same company any more, > they're more into the consumer stuff now and not much into tools. > > I will try to describe how to make a device modeled after the fence making > tool I used to carry. Don't know if I have such a tool now, you buy the > wires pre-formed now to attach the fence to the steel posts and you don't > need this tool any longer. Anyway, it's REAL SIMPLE: > > Take a piece of 1/8 inch strap, 1 inch wide, 8 inches long. That's all the > materials you'll need. > > Identify the size of form you want to use; let's say a 3/8 inch bolt or rod > will give you the approximate inside diameter of the resulting spring. > > Heat the strap at one end, maybe the last inch or so, and bend it around the > rod to form a U with the long end being the cold end of the strap, the short > end just long enough to complete the U shape, a little extra won't hurt. > Don't close the U past the ends being parallel, you need to be able to slip > the strap on and off the bolt with comfortable clearance. > > Now mount it in the vise, sticking the long end into the vise and the U thus > inverted, you're looking at the flat side...either flat side, doesn't > matter. > > Take a hack saw and cut maybe 3/16 of an inch off either side of the strap. > On the short leg of the U, cut on through the end of that leg of the U. On > the other side cut far enough so that if you were to stick your spring wire > perpendicularly into the kerf it would just touch the form if it were in the > U. > > Then cut in to meet your vertical kerf from the side, cutting down at a > slight angle so that you have a bit of a notch in the (big) part that's left > after you cut through. > > That's all there is to it. Probably dress it down a bit with a wheel or > file. You'll eventually want to cut and notch the other side as well so you > can turn right and left hand springs, you'll figure that out in a bit. > > Now mount the bolt / form into the vise, horizontally if you have room, or > vertically if you don't (having room will make sense shortly). Anchor the > end of your spring wire. (I usually do this as part of tightening the > bolt/form into the vise. Making a flat spot on the bolt where you clamp it > would be helpful here.) > > Now slide the tool onto the form, notch toward the vise, and engage the wire > in the notch. Start turning and you'll wind up your new spring. Getting > the coil spacing even will take a little practice, for starters just wind it > tight to the previous coil. > > Let me know how you make out. I confess to not having made one of these, I > do kind of the same process with the Brookstone tool. It has the advantage > of a spacing deal to help wind an evenly spaced spring. If I had time this > evening I would have made one like I described and taken a picture. But the > resulting tool should be a slightly larger version of what I used making > fence a generation or 2 ago. That was a little smaller, the wire was mild > and the radius was small and the tool was made to slip into your overalls > pocket comfortably. > > Happy winding! > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Brueck > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:56 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > This is close to what I have, likely better than what I have. > > I will try to send directions tonight to build-your-own for a specific sized > form, built on the concept of the fencing tool I used to use. But I expect > something like Rob references would do an easier job of maintaining a > consistent pitch. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:14 AM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Making a spring > > > > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of holding jig > > like one we use for fence making? Attempting doing one using a pair > > of pliers and was not successful. > > Hi Curt, > I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at > this item offered from MSC: > > http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 > > It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining > pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two > different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so > you'll have the material on hand. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 05:41:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:41:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted References: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: NICE..as usual!!!!!!! thanx fer sharin' RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > Curt > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 05:45:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:45:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EEAFB2.2090001@earthlink.net> <42EEB951.600@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thank you Jeff for the nice pictures..very educational RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > OOPS!! :-( > > http://oldirongallery.com/LS.html > > Jeff Allen wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > Here are the lineshaft pictures I took this weekend. They are from the > > blacksmith shop in Bird City. I shrunked em down a bit. Anyone wants > > full size contact me and I'll build another page. Huge files. The > > machine next to the lathe appears to be a mill. The project in the > > vice looked like a bolt they were cutting the head on. Not running > > while I was there. > > > > Jeff Allen > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > >> Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, > >> engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, > >> w/#4 morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice > >> kiln. > >> > >> So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and > >> possibly a bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in > >> the ole mom and pop lineshaft driven machine shop?? > >> > >> We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if > >> I'm wrong. > >> > >> Thanks gang in anticipation > >> RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 05:52:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:52:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Yes Curt, It will definetly be driven with an old engine. Eco fer now should turn it just fine and down the road, the 12hp Witte would surely do the job..if we ever get it:-((. Yes a mill and planer would be nice. Wondering if it was commom practice to put the engine in the middle of the lineshaft?? I can see the bene's...but I'd like to put it on one end, next to the big door and then drive an approximate 25 footer. Thanks all for the replies Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > Rick, > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Well this weekend, Corky got two of those IR radial, horizontal, > >engine/compressors, 1 very nice HUGE drill press (about a 30" table, w/#4 > >morse taper) which we'll use on the lineshaft and I got a nice kiln. > > > > So now we have a metal lathe, power hacksaw, drill press, and possibly > > a > >bench grinder. What other type of equipment was used in the ole mom and > >pop > >lineshaft driven machine shop?? > > > > We are led to believe that a lineshaft turns ~400 rpm..correct me if > > I'm > >wrong. > > > > Thanks gang in anticipation > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 2 06:48:32 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:48:32 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000501c59768$e315d920$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, this is what I like an IHC powerhouse. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/powerhouse1913.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Wondering if it was commom practice to put the engine in the middle of the > lineshaft?? I can see the bene's...but I'd like to put it on one end, next > to the big door and then drive an approximate 25 footer. > > Thanks all for the replies > > Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 2 07:09:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:09:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <000501c59768$e315d920$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Only one problem John....if I had that setup, I'd have to buy a cow..and the udder thing is...well, I've never done that...well maybe once, just to see if I could hit the cat. "Once again...Man should have four arms" Would be kewl tho!! thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > Hi Rick, this is what I like an IHC powerhouse. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/powerhouse1913.jpg > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Wondering if it was commom practice to put the engine in the middle of > > the > > lineshaft?? I can see the bene's...but I'd like to put it on one end, > > next > > to the big door and then drive an approximate 25 footer. > > > > Thanks all for the replies > > > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 2 14:06:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:06:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. Message-ID: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi All. Put some impressions together of our historical festival at Panningen past long weekend. We had a good show, alas the Sunday was rainy, but it didn't hurt the visitors and all the members that were on display. This time no many rare ss engines, those guys were showing there stuff in France at a great show. Enjoy them, they can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2005.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 15:48:10 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:48:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Ind. Show Message-ID: <001c01c597b4$426eeb00$80e3f504@x8h7l9> I am making plans for the Portland, Indiana show and notice on the calendar at http://www.agbusinessgroup.com/calendars_events/calendar.cfm?template=ATG_EventsCalendar that something is scheduled for Wednesday the 24 th and Thursday the 25. Can some one please point me to a link that explains the program. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Aug 2 18:16:39 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:16:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Status Message-ID: <30.77c416ef.302174f7@aol.com> Hi List, Well after being dead for several years, the Wisconsin Model MBKND ran. The biggest problem I had with this engine was the fuel line from the gas tank to the carburetor was plugged. The engine seems to perk right along. I just have to do a few more minor things before it is finished. I noticed that the magneto is made by Teledyne. However, it looks very much like a Fairbanks Morse J1. Are the parts interchangable? This magneto puts out a very hot spark. Initially, I used a ? hp electric motor and vee belt to start the engine. This method saves a lot of wear and tear on the arm trying to start an engine that hasn't ran for a time. Now, I am able to start the engine now with a pull rope. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Aug 2 18:53:56 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:53:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> >> >>So what is the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN?? >>One of the largest shows in the world - hundreds of tractors, thousands >>on engines on display - acres of related stuff for sale. >>Aug 24 - 28 , 2005 are the show dates, alot of us show up the Sat and Sun >>before to set up, camp and look around as you will NOT see it all in a >>few days. >> >> >>Both the tractor group and engine group have events and space reserved at >>the show. We need to know in advance so we can save you a space. >> >>If you want to show/display >> >>Tractors - contact Steve Sewell sewell at ohio.edu >>Engines - contact Dave Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com >> >>If you want to camp (This is the BEST way to see all the show and meet >>your ATIS friends) Lots of food on the grounds by service groups like the >>Lions clubs, church groups and such, Cheap ($5.00 will buy you a meal) >>Breakfast is served a 5 AM. So all you really need is a tent and sleeping >>bag as the camp ground has really nice showers. >> >> >>Tractor Wagonmaster - Gene Dotson gdotsly at loganrec.com >>Engine Wagonmaster - Leroy Clark oldengin at udata.com >> >>Events >> >>Thursday night - Back Forty restaurant in Decatur, In All ATIS dinner, >>good , all you can eat food for less than $20.00 a person. Contact Dave >>Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com so we can give the restaurant a head count - >>no money need to be sent. >> >>Engine folks have a cookout/beer tasting on Friday night at the camping >>area. Group pictures are taken every day of the show at the display area >>~ 11:30 AM. >> >>Tractor folks go out to eat at a local restaurant in Portland on Wed >>night ( the Mexican last year) , have a group photo taken on Friday at >>11:30AM at the tractor display then retreat to the camping area for a >>picnic lunch provided by the Brown family. >> >>If you receive this e-mail you are a member of the ATIS family and are >>invited to all the events!!!! >> >>So do it now!! Put in for the time off, buy the airline tickets, rent >>the camper, get the tractor/engine running and painted >>Hope to see you ALL in August at Portland , IN. >> >>- Steve >> >> >> >> >> >>Steve Sewell >>Albany, Ohio USA >>sewell at atis.net >>sewell at ohio.edu > > >***************************************************************************** > >***************************************************************************** From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 18:57:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:57:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Devin's Baker Monitor painted In-Reply-To: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> References: <42EE7F61.2030800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F0249C.6090505@earthlink.net> Hi Curt, Been enjoying your posts on this project for some time now. Can't wait for the completion and the first time you lite it. Jeff Allen Curt wrote: > Last weekend we squirted some paint on Devin's engine and pump jack > parts. Last 4 pictures at the bottom of this link. > Hope you enjoy. Assembly beginning this week. > Curt > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/DevinsBakerMonitorRebuild/Thumbnails.html > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 2 19:00:26 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:00:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring: pictures of commercial winder In-Reply-To: <080220050922.10859.42EF3B3E00063B9300002A6B21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200508022100417.SM02420@wrbpc> http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder1.jpg http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder2.jpg The tool says Brookstone on the handle. I could not find it on the Brookstone web site. For reference, that's a 5/16 bolt I'm using for a form. On the disassembled picture, the star wheel is inverted from its operating position. It has different thicknesses cut in each of the indentations so that you can use this thickness as the space between the windings and thus it's easier to get a neat job. This winder doesn't apply the pressure quite as close to the form as I think it should, but it is a consistent pressure so at least the spring will be uniform. The spring will unwind a little and be larger than the form by an unnecessary amount, IMHO. For experimenting, consider using mild steel until you get the hang of it. Winding spring steel has its own additional challenges. No time for making the home-made one this evening. Heading down to father in law's place, maybe he'll have one of the fencing tools in his shop that I can picture for all. Or maybe I'll be bored down there and make one in his shop if he hasn't got projects sufficient lined up to entertain me. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Tue Aug 2 19:29:44 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. In-Reply-To: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050803022944.15781.qmail@web51408.mail.yahoo.com> John - Thank you for sharing your show. Your pictures are absolutely fabulous. Larry Anger, Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada. John Hammink wrote: Hi All. Put some impressions together of our historical festival at Panningen past long weekend. We had a good show, alas the Sunday was rainy, but it didn't hurt the visitors and all the members that were on display. This time no many rare ss engines, those guys were showing there stuff in France at a great show. Enjoy them, they can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2005.htm John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 20:45:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:45:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! Message-ID: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Hi all, Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. Jeff Allen From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 2 21:22:39 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:22:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F0468F.8090502@scrtc.com> Jeff, Make every effort to get on the Board of Directors. If there are several club members that feel as you do and you stick together, you can get some new blood running the show. I've seen this have to happen in the past in order to "right the course" for some clubs. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 22:48:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:48:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Status In-Reply-To: <30.77c416ef.302174f7@aol.com> References: <30.77c416ef.302174f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050802224869c3fa57@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: > Hi List, > Well after being dead for several years, the Wisconsin Model MBKND ran. The > biggest problem I had with this engine was the fuel line from the gas tank > to the carburetor was plugged. The engine seems to perk right along. I just > have to do a few more minor things before it is finished. > I noticed that the magneto is made by Teledyne. However, it looks very much > like a Fairbanks Morse J1. Are the parts interchangable? This magneto puts > out a very hot spark. > Initially, I used a ? hp electric motor and vee belt to start the engine. > This method saves a lot of wear and tear on the arm trying to start an engine > that hasn't ran for a time. Now, I am able to start the engine now with a > pull rope. > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA > Francis: One of the Fairbanks-Morse service manuals that we have shows Colt Industries as the owners of the business, and there are others involved in the Wico magneto business as well. Colt, Teledyne, Rockwell, Prestolite, Bendix were the main players when magnetos were big business. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 2 23:01:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:01:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Emerald Winterfest 2005 photos now online Message-ID: <42F05DD3.6070904@steamengine.com.au> No really unusual or rare engines at this one but if you're a McDonald fan then there is plenty to look at. I chucked in some train holdup pictures from the day too just for the hell of it. http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/emerald-winterfest-2005/index.html Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/08/2005 From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Aug 3 01:59:34 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:59:34 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring: pictures of commercial winder Message-ID: <080320050859.11613.42F08776000A1D0300002D5D21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Bill, Thanks for the pics of the commercial winder. Now I better understand what they look like. Still would like to see your homemade one with a pic of it in use as well. Curt > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder1.jpg > > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder2.jpg > > The tool says Brookstone on the handle. I could not find it on the > Brookstone web site. > > For reference, that's a 5/16 bolt I'm using for a form. > > On the disassembled picture, the star wheel is inverted from its operating > position. It has different thicknesses cut in each of the indentations so > that you can use this thickness as the space between the windings and thus > it's easier to get a neat job. > > This winder doesn't apply the pressure quite as close to the form as I think > it should, but it is a consistent pressure so at least the spring will be > uniform. The spring will unwind a little and be larger than the form by an > unnecessary amount, IMHO. > > For experimenting, consider using mild steel until you get the hang of it. > Winding spring steel has its own additional challenges. > > No time for making the home-made one this evening. Heading down to father > in law's place, maybe he'll have one of the fencing tools in his shop that I > can picture for all. Or maybe I'll be bored down there and make one in his > shop if he hasn't got projects sufficient lined up to entertain me. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Aug 3 01:59:08 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:59:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> I agree it would look nicest to use a hit-n-miss - but in a machine shop where you need a steady speed and there is a lot of crud flying around, I'd be thinking an enclosed throttle governed engine - maybe even a diesel would be the way to go. You'd get a nice steady speed and the engine would be immune from swarf and chips etc. Paul Curt wrote: > Rick, > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > Curt > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/08/2005 From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Aug 3 02:35:59 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:35:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Making a spring Message-ID: <080320050935.19754.42F08FFF00059B3A00004D2A21979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rob for your imput and help. Curt > > > Where did you get the spring making kit with that small of > > holding jig like one we use for fence making? Attempting > > doing one using a pair of pliers and was not successful. > > Hi Curt, > I think what you're looking for is a Spring Winding Tool. Take a look at this > item offered from MSC: > > http://www1.mscdirect.com/CGI/NNSRIT?PMPXNO=1759558&PMT4NO=471498 > > It works fairly well, holding the wire, maintaining tension and maintaining > pitch. On the same page and the previous page of the catalog, MSC has two > different spring wire assortments. You might as well get one of each so you'll > have the material on hand. > > Rob > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 3 05:31:56 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <42F0468F.8090502@scrtc.com> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> <42F0468F.8090502@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <1537.165.206.180.102.1123072316.squirrel@antique-engines.com> It happened here in Iowa - the club is now pretty much purged - new show director, more fun things to do, activities, people are happier, actually positive comments as they leave, attentance is picking up again. Ya gotta work at it and stick with it, but it can happen if a couple of folks get on the board and others work in the background. It was a real coupe, the dictators were overthrown. Bill > Jeff, > > Make every effort to get on the Board of Directors. If there are > several club members that feel as you do and you stick together, you can > get some new blood running the show. I've seen this have to happen in > the past in order to "right the course" for some clubs. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Jeff Allen wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that >> has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered >> why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting >> to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. >> It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. >> Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going >> on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for >> change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and >> moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make >> the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. >> >> Jeff Allen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 3 06:01:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:01:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: I have a tendency to agree with you Paul, seems though that just the load of the lineshafting, belting,etc., would be enough to keep it from latching up..and especially if one is working a machine. Maybe not..be fun experimenting Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment > I agree it would look nicest to use a hit-n-miss - but in a machine shop > where you need a steady speed and there is a lot of crud flying around, > I'd be thinking an enclosed throttle governed engine - maybe even a > diesel would be the way to go. You'd get a nice steady speed and the > engine would be immune from swarf and chips etc. > > Paul > > Curt wrote: > > Rick, > > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > > Curt > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 2/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 06:15:37 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:15:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Message-ID: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Steve, Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve sewell" To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > >> > >>So what is the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN?? > >>One of the largest shows in the world - hundreds of tractors, thousands > >>on engines on display - acres of related stuff for sale. > >>Aug 24 - 28 , 2005 are the show dates, alot of us show up the Sat and Sun > >>before to set up, camp and look around as you will NOT see it all in a > >>few days. > >> > >> > >>Both the tractor group and engine group have events and space reserved at > >>the show. We need to know in advance so we can save you a space. > >> > >>If you want to show/display > >> > >>Tractors - contact Steve Sewell sewell at ohio.edu > >>Engines - contact Dave Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com > >> > >>If you want to camp (This is the BEST way to see all the show and meet > >>your ATIS friends) Lots of food on the grounds by service groups like the > >>Lions clubs, church groups and such, Cheap ($5.00 will buy you a meal) > >>Breakfast is served a 5 AM. So all you really need is a tent and sleeping > >>bag as the camp ground has really nice showers. > >> > >> > >>Tractor Wagonmaster - Gene Dotson gdotsly at loganrec.com > >>Engine Wagonmaster - Leroy Clark oldengin at udata.com > >> > >>Events > >> > >>Thursday night - Back Forty restaurant in Decatur, In All ATIS dinner, > >>good , all you can eat food for less than $20.00 a person. Contact Dave > >>Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com so we can give the restaurant a head count - > >>no money need to be sent. > >> > >>Engine folks have a cookout/beer tasting on Friday night at the camping > >>area. Group pictures are taken every day of the show at the display area > >>~ 11:30 AM. > >> > >>Tractor folks go out to eat at a local restaurant in Portland on Wed > >>night ( the Mexican last year) , have a group photo taken on Friday at > >>11:30AM at the tractor display then retreat to the camping area for a > >>picnic lunch provided by the Brown family. > >> > >>If you receive this e-mail you are a member of the ATIS family and are > >>invited to all the events!!!! > >> > >>So do it now!! Put in for the time off, buy the airline tickets, rent > >>the camper, get the tractor/engine running and painted > >>Hope to see you ALL in August at Portland , IN. > >> > >>- Steve > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Steve Sewell > >>Albany, Ohio USA > >>sewell at atis.net > >>sewell at ohio.edu > > > > > >*************************************************************************** ** > > > >*************************************************************************** ** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Aug 3 06:21:02 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:21:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> what club, what show, what website? I have not learned to read minds yet help! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: Cc: "Oldengine list" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that has > gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered why. > Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting to > include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. It's > there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. Short trip > for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going on. I don't > think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for change. Running > the web site does have some advantages. The piss and moan mail comes to > me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make the club better, but > I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 3 06:52:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:52:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <42F0CC3A.70405@scrtc.com> Ed, No, things will be running full blast on the 24th and 25th. There will be people setting up on Sunday and Monday. Even arriving on the 24th, you can't see it all. Hope to see you there. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Steve, > >Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are >set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > >Ed Stoller >New Fairfield, CT > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "steve sewell" >To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" >Cc: ; >; >; > >Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:53 PM >Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > >>>>So what is the Tri-State Gas Engine and Tractor show in Portland, IN?? >>>>One of the largest shows in the world - hundreds of tractors, thousands >>>>on engines on display - acres of related stuff for sale. >>>>Aug 24 - 28 , 2005 are the show dates, alot of us show up the Sat and >>>> >>>> >Sun > > >>>>before to set up, camp and look around as you will NOT see it all in a >>>>few days. >>>> >>>> >>>>Both the tractor group and engine group have events and space reserved >>>> >>>> >at > > >>>>the show. We need to know in advance so we can save you a space. >>>> >>>>If you want to show/display >>>> >>>>Tractors - contact Steve Sewell sewell at ohio.edu >>>>Engines - contact Dave Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com >>>> >>>>If you want to camp (This is the BEST way to see all the show and meet >>>>your ATIS friends) Lots of food on the grounds by service groups like >>>> >>>> >the > > >>>>Lions clubs, church groups and such, Cheap ($5.00 will buy you a meal) >>>>Breakfast is served a 5 AM. So all you really need is a tent and >>>> >>>> >sleeping > > >>>>bag as the camp ground has really nice showers. >>>> >>>> >>>>Tractor Wagonmaster - Gene Dotson gdotsly at loganrec.com >>>>Engine Wagonmaster - Leroy Clark oldengin at udata.com >>>> >>>>Events >>>> >>>>Thursday night - Back Forty restaurant in Decatur, In All ATIS dinner, >>>>good , all you can eat food for less than $20.00 a person. Contact Dave >>>>Rotigel rotigel at alltel.com so we can give the restaurant a head >>>> >>>> >count - > > >>>>no money need to be sent. >>>> >>>>Engine folks have a cookout/beer tasting on Friday night at the camping >>>>area. Group pictures are taken every day of the show at the display area >>>>~ 11:30 AM. >>>> >>>>Tractor folks go out to eat at a local restaurant in Portland on Wed >>>>night ( the Mexican last year) , have a group photo taken on Friday at >>>>11:30AM at the tractor display then retreat to the camping area for a >>>>picnic lunch provided by the Brown family. >>>> >>>>If you receive this e-mail you are a member of the ATIS family and are >>>>invited to all the events!!!! >>>> >>>>So do it now!! Put in for the time off, buy the airline tickets, rent >>>>the camper, get the tractor/engine running and painted >>>>Hope to see you ALL in August at Portland , IN. >>>> >>>>- Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Steve Sewell >>>>Albany, Ohio USA >>>>sewell at atis.net >>>>sewell at ohio.edu >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>*************************************************************************** >> >> >** > > >>*************************************************************************** >> >> >** > > >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 06:55:45 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:55:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: SEL Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <200508031000.j73A0Cnj013886@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:22:39 -0400 >From: Judge Tommy Turner >Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <42F0468F.8090502 at scrtc.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Jeff, > > Make every effort to get on the Board of Directors. If there are >several club members that feel as you do and you stick together, you can >get some new blood running the show. I've seen this have to happen in >the past in order to "right the course" for some clubs. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Jeff Allen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > > > Jeff Allen Tommy has the right idea here! You will certainly find serving on your clubs's board of directors to be an educational experience. I have served on the board of my club for 3 years & 2 as Chairman. The experience has been pretty enjoyable and I've gotten the opportunity to work with a lot of great folks. I don't know the dynamics of your club. Don't be to quick to assume that the board was intentionally excluding you from information that you needed. Could it be that it was a simple oversight? In my, albeit short, tenure as a director I have made this very mistake a few times. You will probably find that your directors are a group of folks who care about the club and are doing the best that they know how. Anytime that you bring a group of people to form a club there will be diversity in personalities and ideas. The diversity is what makes the club work and it brings with it a certain level of bullshit. You can't have a club without it! Don't get mad, don't get discouraged just dig in and try to help steer the group in the direction that you think is best. Most importantly, when the group decides to go a different direction DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 06:56:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:56:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <6f60251605080306563017a0b9@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, ED wrote: > Steve, > > Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are > set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > Try a bit of snipping here :-)) ALL days are good, ED, there's plenty to see on all the days and if anything I'd say that Thursday/Friday are the best for seeing things, Wednesday for bargain hunting in the stalls, but we've always found there was too much to see in three days anyway! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 3 06:58:33 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Making a spring: pictures of commercial winder In-Reply-To: <200508022100417.SM02420@wrbpc> References: <080220050922.10859.42EF3B3E00063B9300002A6B21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <200508022100417.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <1875.165.206.180.102.1123077513.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Do ya suppose one of ya could wind me a new pair of springs then for the front of my car? Bill > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder1.jpg > > http://www.apluscomputer.com/atis/images/springwinder2.jpg > > The tool says Brookstone on the handle. I could not find it on the > Brookstone web site. > > For reference, that's a 5/16 bolt I'm using for a form. > > On the disassembled picture, the star wheel is inverted from its operating > position. It has different thicknesses cut in each of the indentations so > that you can use this thickness as the space between the windings and thus > it's easier to get a neat job. > > This winder doesn't apply the pressure quite as close to the form as I > think > it should, but it is a consistent pressure so at least the spring will be > uniform. The spring will unwind a little and be larger than the form by > an > unnecessary amount, IMHO. > > For experimenting, consider using mild steel until you get the hang of it. > Winding spring steel has its own additional challenges. > > No time for making the home-made one this evening. Heading down to father > in law's place, maybe he'll have one of the fencing tools in his shop that > I > can picture for all. Or maybe I'll be bored down there and make one in > his > shop if he hasn't got projects sufficient lined up to entertain me. > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 07:09:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Hi Ed, On the contrary, the show officially starts at 9:00 AM on Wednesday 24-August. Many folks setup on Monday or Tuesday (or earlier). The busiest days are probably Friday and Saturday. Late Saturday many folks have started to pull out and Sunday is probably 3/4 empty. Here's the club's website. http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/ And here's four year's worth of "first-person" accounts of what the "Portland Experience" is all about. Enjoy!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portlandindex.htm You NEED to do Portland. For an engine man (or woman) Portland is the equivalent of a Muslim's visit to Mecca. And since this is the 40th year of the "Portland Experience" it's probably gonna be a WILD TIME!! 8-)))) BTW only 20 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes and 31 seconds to go!!! I hope that helps. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, ED wrote: > Steve, > > Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are > set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 07:18:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:18:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <6f60251605080307186aa39b38@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > I have a tendency to agree with you Paul, seems though that just the load of > the lineshafting, belting,etc., would be enough to keep it from latching > up..and especially if one is working a machine. > > Maybe not..be fun experimenting > > Rick > I wouldn't like to be around the machinery with the on/off action of the governor! :-)) If you kept it below the governed point so it was always on power then OK, but it would be a bit naughty otherwise. Can't beat a nice diesel.... that vertical Witte at last years Portland show was a nice lump, pity we couldn't have done a deal with that one :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 07:54:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <6f60251605080307186aa39b38@mail.gmail.com> References: <42EE34FD.5060603@imc-group.com> <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> <6f60251605080307186aa39b38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, Craig Prucha used a 5 hp Economy (hit & miss) for years to power his lineshaft machine shop. http://www.antique-engine.com/shop/shop.htm The Economy has since been replaced in the shop by a lovely 12 hp Field-Brundage cam stopper. Talk about some sweet music to work to!! http://www.antique-engine.com/12field/field01.htm See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8/3/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > I have a tendency to agree with you Paul, seems though that just the load of > > the lineshafting, belting,etc., would be enough to keep it from latching > > up..and especially if one is working a machine. > > > > Maybe not..be fun experimenting > > > > Rick > > I wouldn't like to be around the machinery with the on/off action of > the governor! :-)) > > If you kept it below the governed point so it was always on power then > OK, but it would be a bit naughty otherwise. > > Can't beat a nice diesel.... that vertical Witte at last years > Portland show was a nice lump, pity we couldn't have done a deal with > that one :-)) > > Peter From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 08:53:36 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:53:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Wisconsin Model MBKND Status In-Reply-To: <200508031000.j73A0Cnj013886@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: >Message: 8 >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:16:39 EDT >From: FRM8198 at aol.com >Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Status >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <30.77c416ef.302174f7 at aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > >Hi List, >Well after being dead for several years, the Wisconsin Model MBKND ran. >The >biggest problem I had with this engine was the fuel line from the gas tank >to the carburetor was plugged. The engine seems to perk right along. I >just >have to do a few more minor things before it is finished. >I noticed that the magneto is made by Teledyne. However, it looks very >much >like a Fairbanks Morse J1. Are the parts interchangable? This magneto >puts >out a very hot spark. >Initially, I used a ? hp electric motor and vee belt to start the engine. >This method saves a lot of wear and tear on the arm trying to start an >engine >that hasn't ran for a time. Now, I am able to start the engine now with a >pull rope. > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA Congrats on getting the Wisconsin running! I'd imagine that the mag looks like a Fairbanks because it basically is one. Probably a different company building a mag of the same design. I can't remeber seeing an air cooled Wisconsin with anything other than a Fairbanks Mag. I have a BKN on my Gard'n Mast'r tractor and can relate to the cranking problem that you experienced. I did exactly the same trick with the electric motor. Now that it is properly tuned starts OK with the rope. Now find something cool to power with your engine! From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 3 09:06:09 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:06:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > You NEED to do Portland. For an engine man (or woman) Portland is the > equivalent of a Muslim's visit to Mecca. Hi Arnie, While I've never been to Mecca, I envision it being a little different than a pilgrimage to Portland. For one, stampeding hordes have never trampled pilgrims at Portland. Although last year a trailerload of nice engines pulled in and a fat guy on a butt buggy got so excited he nearly ran me over. Secondly, you can consume hopped malt beverages at Portland without risking getting your mug-grasping-hand cut off. Thirdly, the Tri-State club has no rules against doing the "unskinny bop." And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. Rob P.S. 20 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 09:23:31 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:23:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu><004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <003301c59847$b19ec700$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to find info on it. They should include the web site link in all calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > Hi Ed, > > On the contrary, the show officially starts at 9:00 AM on Wednesday > 24-August. Many folks setup on Monday or Tuesday (or earlier). > The busiest days are probably Friday and Saturday. Late Saturday many > folks have started to pull out and Sunday is probably 3/4 empty. > > Here's the club's website. http://www.tristategasengine-tractor.com/ > > And here's four year's worth of "first-person" accounts of what the > "Portland Experience" is all about. Enjoy!! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portlandindex.htm > > You NEED to do Portland. For an engine man (or woman) Portland is the > equivalent of a Muslim's visit to Mecca. And since this is the 40th > year of the "Portland Experience" it's probably gonna be a WILD TIME!! > 8-)))) > > BTW only 20 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes and 31 seconds to go!!! > > I hope that helps. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, ED wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > Am I correct in assuming that Wednesday 24 August and Thursday 25 August are > > set up days and not a good day to go see the show??????????????????????? > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Aug 3 09:35:34 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:35:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: West Coast??? Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 10:14:54 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:14:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: Message-ID: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a little out of our way for the new guys. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > West Coast??? > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > George > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Aug 3 10:33:15 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Bill > what club, what show, what website? > I have not learned to read minds yet > help! > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of cool antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: > Cc: "Oldengine list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:45 PM > Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 10:49:00 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> References: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <42F1038C.8060409@imc-group.com> Ed, Be glad! Your 3 day drive just turned into 10 hours! This reminds me of one of our club members who got his dates mixed up a few years ago. He packed up wife, engine, and gear and headed for the big winter show in Florida. Turns out he showed up a week early. Luckily he is retired so they stuck around for a week and waited for the show. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC ED wrote: >Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a >little out of our way for the new guys. > >Ed >----- Original Message ----- > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 10:52:43 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> References: <005e01c5984e$dea73be0$97f5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: Ed, I think that's why the state abbreviation IN for Indiana is in the subject line (along with the year) to help the "new guys" not be confused about which Portland or which year. How's that expression of Dave's go? "Ya send 'em to school, buy 'em books, and they just chew the covers off." See ya at Portland Indiana in 20 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes and 50 seconds. Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, ED wrote: > Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a > little out of our way for the new guys. > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:35 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > West Coast??? > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > > > George > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > > > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > > > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > > > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > > > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > > > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > > > > Ed Stoller > > > New Fairfield, CT From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 10:57:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> <02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961> <2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? > > Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > Bill > > > what club, what show, what website? > > I have not learned to read minds yet > > help! > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, From mullt at att.net Wed Aug 3 11:09:12 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:09:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> How about Portland Maine? ;-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "ED" > Well I did George. Folks just said Portland, not which one. We need to go a > little out of our way for the new guys. > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:35 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > West Coast??? > > > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > > > George > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:24 AM > > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 > > > > > > Thank you Tommy, Peter and Arnie, especially for the web > > > link. It looks like I need to start my trip a few days > > > earlier. For the biggest show on the planet, it is hard to > > > find info on it. They should include the web site link in all > > > calendars and all adds. I did go last year but the year > > > before I figured the West Coast was out of my range. > > > > > > > > > Ed Stoller > > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 11:24:44 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: No, not Maine, or Oregon, or Connecticut, or Tenneesee, or Texas, or Arkansas, or Colorado, or Florida. And no Dorothy, not Portland, Kansas either. I think that about covers the "Not Portland Indiana" group? 8-)) On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 mullt at att.net wrote: > How about Portland Maine? ;-) From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Aug 3 11:48:01 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:48:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> I do have photographic evidence of this event, actually. For the sake of innocent women and children, I haven't put it on the web, but you can email me helen at insulate.co.uk if you want to see it .... Dolly PS 20 days, 4 hours, 12 minues and 5 seconds Rob Skinner wrote: > And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself > up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun > weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with > poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven > impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say > they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. > Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. > > Rob > > P.S. > 20 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 11:56:38 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:56:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. In-Reply-To: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42F11366.5040605@imc-group.com> John, Thank you for sharing these photos with us. Concerning the Nonpariel.....is the red and black/Brewster green the correct color for a Nonpariel? Was the blue only for the Osborn line of IHC? Seems like I have seen some blue Nonpariels and now I am wondering which is correct. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >Hi All. > >Put some impressions together of our historical festival at Panningen >past long weekend. We had a good show, alas the Sunday was rainy, >but it didn't hurt the visitors and all the members that were on display. >This time no many rare ss engines, those guys were showing there stuff >in France at a great show. >Enjoy them, they can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/historischfestival2005.htm > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 12:12:35 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, Please, even in off-list distribution of THAT photo, put one of those little black rectangles over the eyes. Well, the eyes and those OTHER bits that should be covered. You never know where that photo may end up, and you could be subject to a lawsuit for terrorizing innocent women and children. 8->> See ya, Arnie PS - Only 20 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes and 49 seconds left till Portland! On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Jim French wrote: > I do have photographic evidence of this event, actually. For the sake of innocent > women and children, I haven't put it on the web, but you can email me > helen at insulate.co.uk if you want to see it .... > > Dolly > > Rob Skinner wrote: > > > And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself > > up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun > > weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with > > poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven > > impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say > > they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. > > Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 12:16:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F1181C.4020501@imc-group.com> OK Jeff, how about a counterpoint..... -Is it possible the omission of the show is a simple mistake rather than a conscious decision by your board to keep people from this neighboring show? -Is it possible that no one on your board could get ahold of you to have you put it on the website? You have made it quite clear (on slick) that you intentionally make finding your address or phone number impossible to find. -Is it possible this club is no longer fun for you and you should find something else to do for fun? This IS a hobby! -Is it possible that a diplomatic approach would win friends and influence friends to be sure you are included in the information loop? -What age are you? At 43 I have found that yielding to the wishes of the more seasoned, older members turns out the best long term decisions. Ya know, respect for elders...... Club divide is a bad thing. We all have to do our absolute best to assure we continue to get along and move the club agenda forward. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 3 12:22:06 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:22:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005/ digressing OT In-Reply-To: <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <42F11161.74A713F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <42F1195E.8020605@imc-group.com> Yeah, like there are any innocent women in THIS group! :-) Curt P.S. It can't be any worse than the same whip wielding philosopher standing over the gal on all fours. That's a classic. Jim French wrote: >I do have photographic evidence of this event, actually. For the sake of innocent >women and children, I haven't put it on the web, but you can email me >helen at insulate.co.uk if you want to see it .... > >Dolly > >PS 20 days, 4 hours, 12 minues and 5 seconds > >Rob Skinner wrote: > > > >>And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap yourself >>up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun >>weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with >>poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for proven >>impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say >>they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. >>Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. >> >>Rob >> >>P.S. >>20 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes and 31 seconds >> >> >> > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ivancou at alltel.net Wed Aug 3 12:34:53 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:34:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050730003001.00b5f3f0@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> <004201c5982d$8bc7bb00$02ecf504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <005001c59862$6c1ec520$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Ed , Wensday is the first official day , but the good buys happen before that . If youre going to look for parts the sooner you get there the better . I drive all day tuesday to get there and start shopping tuesday evening . But there is stuff to do all week . Ivan From peter at loud-n-clear.net Wed Aug 3 12:54:36 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:54:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: In message , Arnie Fero writes >No, not Maine, or Oregon, or Connecticut, or Tenneesee, or Texas, or >Arkansas, or Colorado, or Florida. And no Dorothy, not Portland, Kansas >either. I think that about covers the "Not Portland Indiana" group? > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I have no idea why. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 3 12:55:35 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:55:35 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. References: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42F11366.5040605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002001c59865$5435fbb0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, Only the Osborne line sold their IHC engines that time in blue. The other IHC dealers sold the same in the red and brewster green colors. To be sure what you have, it depends on the paint left on the engine I think. John H. > Concerning the Nonpariel.....is the red and black/Brewster green the > correct color for a Nonpariel? Was the blue only for the Osborn line of > IHC? Seems like I have seen some blue Nonpariels and now I am wondering > which is correct. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 3 13:31:12 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: Clearly Pete, that's because Portland, OR is the first one that shows up when you enter Portland into http://www.mapquest.com/ and click on Get Map. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Peter Scales wrote: > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I have no idea > why. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 13:51:59 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:51:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> On 8/3/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Clearly Pete, that's because Portland, OR is the first one that shows up > when you enter Portland into http://www.mapquest.com/ and click on Get > Map. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie All or most of the names in the USA were nicked from the UK and Europe anyway... :-)) The ORIGINAL Portland is on the south coast of England. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mullt at att.net Wed Aug 3 14:21:04 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:21:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03@att.net> Dare I ask what a "right-pondian" is? Tom in St. Louis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Arnie Fero > Clearly Pete, that's because Portland, OR is the first one that shows up > when you enter Portland into http://www.mapquest.com/ and click on Get > Map. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Peter Scales wrote: > > > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I have no idea > > why. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Aug 3 14:37:10 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:37:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 Message-ID: > As a right-pondian, I always think of Portland, Oregon - I > have no idea why. > > Regards > Peter Scales Probably because Portland Oregon is the largest of the Portland's in the U.S. Other than Portland Oregon, and Portland Maine, most of the other Portlands are pretty well unknown to the general public. In the old iron hobby "Portland" always refers to Portland Indiana. A little trivia on Portland Oregon. It is actually named after Portland Maine. The city name was decided by the toss of a coin. The winner was from Portland Maine and so Portland became the name. The losing choice was Boston, since the other person was from Boston Mass. So the toss of a coin caused there to be one more Portland instead of another Boston. George From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Aug 3 15:49:08 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:49:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. References: <000701c597a6$028d7f00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><42F11366.5040605@imc-group.com> <002001c59865$5435fbb0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003701c5987d$8fe34f60$c284dccb@oemcomputer> There are quite a lot of Nonpariels in Australia(I am boring and resleaving a 2hp today)and all that I have seen have been blue.I have also had parts of several to repair for people and they have had blue paint on out of the way areas.I have never seen an engine badged Osborne in Australia but there may be some . PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:55 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > Curt, > Only the Osborne line sold their IHC engines that time in blue. > The other IHC dealers sold the same in the red and brewster green > colors. To be sure what you have, it depends on the paint left on the > engine I think. > > John H. > > > Concerning the Nonpariel.....is the red and black/Brewster green the > > correct color for a Nonpariel? Was the blue only for the Osborn line of > > IHC? Seems like I have seen some blue Nonpariels and now I am wondering > > which is correct. > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 3 16:01:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:01:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803190036.02239d38@mail.alltel.net> >The ORIGINAL Portland is on the south coast of England. > >Peter Where (exactly) is England? Dave From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Aug 3 16:23:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:23:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] club bullshit Message-ID: <003201c59882$71c0d340$ee9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> As soon as I saw the source of this thread I recall the instance when he complained because no one answered one of his questions............so glad I am not a near neighbour.Subtleness in not something he knows much about. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 3 16:37:47 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:37:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> > And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap > yourself > up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about > a gun > weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement > with > poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus > for proven > impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some > say > they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory > Syndrome. > Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. I had photos. My wife destroyed them. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 3 18:18:38 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:18:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803211718.04b08398@mail.alltel.net> At 07:37 PM 8/3/2005, you wrote: >>And lastly, to enter the showgrounds it is not mandatory that you wrap >>yourself >>up in a white linen skirt and sash. However, there is a rumor about a gun >>weilding philosopher with a cute bum who made a bold fashion statement with >>poolside attire consisting of a white terrycloth nappy. It has thus for >>proven >>impossible to corraborate this report with first hand witnesses. Some say >>they've been traumatized and are suffering from Repressed Memory Syndrome. >>Others claim that this story is just another urban myth. > >I had photos. My wife destroyed them. > >John Culp Hate like hell to tell you this John, but Jane still has them! Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 18:36:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:36:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Club bullshit!! Now with more details. In-Reply-To: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F17115.1090501@earthlink.net> Hi all, Thanks for all the comments. There were some that didn't quite understand my message, and perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been. I was mad as hell, and have calmed down some. I'll try to answer the questions I received and make matters more clear now. The club site is here: http://frapa.us/ I am a member and I run the web site. The first thing I did when I took it (web site) over is register a domain. We now have a better Internet presence and the entire site can be moved with ease if need be. We can now be found with search engines and that was not possible before. The old site was used as advertising for the man who originally set up the club site. That site is still up, but I contacted him, and it now links to us. That is my biggest contribution to the club to date, and I think it is an important one. I also pay for the domain and server out of pocket. The original e-mail I received was regarding a show that has been a club event for some time. The sender was under the impression that the event had to be in the newsletter or online for our liability insurance to be in effect. I sent him to the VP for the insurance info, because being listed does not insure coverage. If the event is not club sponsored there is no insurance. Forget the insurance aspect, because that is not my gripe. I am concerned that the bored of directors no longer care about showing engines unless there is a profit for the club. The show this weekend provides no revenue for the club. It is part of a small town festival, and our members are part of it. I have attended a couple board meetings, and the general consensus is that there will be little or no support for any show that does not provide revenue. I think that is wrong. There are many events that do provide revenue for the club. The barrel train is used at others events to provide revenue for us. The fair in the mountains nearby uses the club to pull their visitors on hay wagons and we make money. That is all well and good, but it should not be the driving force for everything we participate in. I have received three requests for members to show at events this year. All were trashed by the board. I believe that every opportunity that is offered to our club to show engines and/or tractors should be looked at. I look at the sites of Ron and Rob in California, and I hope I got that right, and those folks are always showing somewhere. I envy you. I don't know if that cleared things up a bit or not, but I gave it a shot. I'll reply off list to a few of you, and ignore one. Again, I thank you for your comments and feedback. Jeff Allen Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > Am I alone or is this common. I just got an e-mail about a show that > has gone on for years, but is not in the newsletter, and I wondered > why. Seems the all knowing board of directors didn't seem it fitting > to include in the newsletter or inform me to put it on the website. > It's there now on the front page and I hope to make it out there. > Short trip for me and I need some input on the bullshit that is going > on. I don't think I am the only unhappy member and it is time for > change. Running the web site does have some advantages. The piss and > moan mail comes to me now and there is plenty. Hope all of us can make > the club better, but I'm not to sure it is possible. Sad. > > Jeff Allen > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 3 19:08:26 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:08:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803211718.04b08398@mail.alltel.net> References: <200508031606.j73G6IDH011753@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <55bd4bf2bc400e452ce1615501f78f3c@chartertn.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050803211718.04b08398@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3bb1f99166351fb28dd332144530cdef@chartertn.net> > Hate like hell to tell you this John, but Jane still has them! > Dave That explains why she has so many headaches! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 19:38:02 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:38:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] On the lighter side. An OT sort of engine story. Message-ID: <42F17F8A.4050907@earthlink.net> Hi all, I keep thinking about this and decided to share. It has to do with a walk behind garden tractor, Portland, and Bird City. You gotta work to tie all that together. I was at the show in Bird City last year taking pics and met the owner of the 8 hp Monitor. I gave him my card and told him I would have pictures up on my site. Turned out he knowed a guy in Oneida, KS with a Red-E walk behind parts tractor. He wanted to know if I was interested and I was. I hooked up with him and it was on a trailer headed for last years Portland show. I told him Oneida was too far to drive for it, and he said he could get it to Colby if I werent in no hurry. Sold!! Round about Thanksgiving it was delivered to his buddy in Colby. The winter went on and the tractor stayed. Next I know it's late July and I'm off to Bird City. Hells bells, I'm gonna pick it up while I'm in the area. Not gonna happen. Tried calling and no return call. Got an e-mail address and tried to make it happen. Back in Bird City and up comes the man that owns the Monitor. We says hello and he asks about the tractor. I tells him the story. Oh hell he says, I coulda picked that up for ya and brought it here. I know the guy. Now I understand why people consider sticking their heads in a flywheel on a running engine. Got back home and checked the mailbox. The guy that has my tractor was in Denver when I was in Kansas. We got hooked up and storage is no problem. He's looking for a ride out here for me, and if it don't happen, I'll pick it up next year. No rush and engine folks are great. Jeff Allen From jbcast at charter.net Wed Aug 3 20:06:43 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:06:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 6hp Associated Message-ID: <48rlb4$h9l82c@mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net> This story started on a sad note back in April. My sister lost a long battle with cancer. They spent most of their married life in Cincinatti, were here for the last several years. Friends of theirs down for the funeral came to my shop to visit. Ned was fascinated with all the old iron and machinery. He said he had his dads Associated and some other things in storage and needed to slim down to one mini warehouse. His son is starting graduate school at LSU, pulled up today in a rental truck with a 6hp Associated, 2 models, and a B&S model A. I'm guessing the models are Associateds, not sure. One is small enough for the palm of your hand, the other about twice that size. Oil brought the compression up on both. The 6hp was running in less than a half hour, oiled it and cleaned the points, put fuel in it, and off it went.. It's been converted to spark plug but the ignitor was with it. The top of the hopper is an open rectangle with an ear in each corner, is this for an extension! or is there a cover with a smaller opening? It's been a good day, J.B. Castagnos. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 22:29:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:29:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050803190036.02239d38@mail.alltel.net> References: <080320051809.10011.42F10847000CEA4A0000271B21604666489B04049A03@att.net> <6f6025160508031351cd144d6@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050803190036.02239d38@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605080322297668e10b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/4/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >The ORIGINAL Portland is on the south coast of England. > > > >Peter > > Where (exactly) is England? > Dave > It's that place across the pond where all the good bits of the USA came from....:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From peter at loud-n-clear.net Thu Aug 4 00:07:30 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:07:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03@att.net> References: <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: In message <080320052121.14408.42F1353F000DDD4D0000384821604666489B04049A03 at att.net> , mullt at att.net writes >Dare I ask what a "right-pondian" is? Someone from the right (east) side of the "pond" (Atlantic) - usually taken to mean a Brit :-) Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Thu Aug 4 04:57:52 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:57:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <121F874E.58AC1A20.04B7CB00@aol.com> hey Ed Can't you remember seeing my 4hp in red and green -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 4 04:58:36 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:58:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: but kinda cool... my site is being archived by the National Library of Australia Message-ID: <42F202EC.3010004@steamengine.com.au> Most of us who make our own web sites do so generally to massage our own egos while trying to provide a good information source to the wider community - I'm no different - I've really enjoyed the last 10 years of creating and maintaining content for www.steamengine.com.au Today I found out the answer to the thought that had sometimes run through my mind... what will happen to my site when I'm gone, or if my arrangements with its generous server provider Paul Evans fall through one day... The National Library of Australia has approached me and advised that they want to archive my site as part of project Pandora where they are storing sites significant to Australian history and culture to make them available to future generations and they wanted my permission to do it - I've given them the go ahead although having my site there does dumbfound me a bit (only a bit, I found plenty of words to put in this message sitting here with a stupid grin on my face :). Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 3/08/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 4 05:01:23 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:01:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F20393.3060303@steamengine.com.au> Why not George? I went to both on my first trip (thanks to you!). Paul Best, George wrote: > West Coast??? > > Don't get Portland Indiana confused with Portland Oregon! > > George > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 3/08/2005 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Aug 4 10:47:56 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:47:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Club bullshit!! Now with more details. In-Reply-To: <42F17115.1090501@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200508041747.j74HlvAG093369@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Thanks for all the comments. There were some that didn't quite > understand my message, and perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have > been. I was mad as hell, and have calmed down some. Hey Jeff! When you joined FRAPA, did you sign a non-compete agreement? If not, tell the organizer that you'll attend and maybe bring some friends. Call some of the local engine collectors and invite them. Either they'll come, or it will just be you and Shorty. If it's the latter, then you guys will get all the attention. There's no down side. Rob P.S. I hope Ron doesn't get mad for giving away one of his secrets, but if your homies come, serve chilled watermelon. Enginemen are like stray dogs -- give 'em some food and they'll keep coming around. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 4 13:46:23 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:46:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Flookburgh Vintage pictures Message-ID: <000d01c59935$94b82660$fa4c1152@no1> I took these pictures last weekend on the edge of the English lake District. A superb show & I took the pictures to show a lot of the general show, not just the engines. See http://community.webshots.com/album/412326992LEwYdL Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 14:10:45 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:10:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: but kinda cool... my site is being archived by the National Library of Australia In-Reply-To: <42F202EC.3010004@steamengine.com.au> References: <42F202EC.3010004@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <42F28455.4010509@earthlink.net> Hi Paul, I can't think of a more deserving site. I always enjoy my visits to your site. Jeff Allen Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Most of us who make our own web sites do so generally to massage our > own egos while trying to provide a good information source to the > wider community - I'm no different - I've really enjoyed the last 10 > years of creating and maintaining content for www.steamengine.com.au > > Today I found out the answer to the thought that had sometimes run > through my mind... what will happen to my site when I'm gone, or if my > arrangements with its generous server provider Paul Evans fall through > one day... The National Library of Australia has approached me and > advised that they want to archive my site as part of project Pandora > where they are storing sites significant to Australian history and > culture to make them available to future generations and they wanted > my permission to do it - I've given them the go ahead although having > my site there does dumbfound me a bit (only a bit, I found plenty of > words to put in this message sitting here with a stupid grin on my > face :). > > Paul > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 14:12:51 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:12:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Club bullshit!! Now with more details. Message-ID: <1d5.416a9350.3023ded3@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2005 9:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << I believe that every opportunity that is offered to our club to show engines and/or tractors should be looked at. >> Jeff At our monthly meetings anyone who knows of shows coming up or invitations for club members to come to town events, etc., announces them so everyone and anyone who can and wishes to attend does so without making it a "formal club event". I take my engines to a car cruise-in every third saturday evening and have a great time as there are no other one lungers there! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 14:15:27 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:15:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] 6hp Associated Message-ID: <207.675e54f.3023df6f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/2005 11:14:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jbcast at charter.net writes: << It's been a good day, >> JB Sounds like it has been a great day!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From tdunlap at satx.rr.com Thu Aug 4 15:13:10 2005 From: tdunlap at satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:13:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear Message-ID: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 15:16:20 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:16:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] All's well that ends well Message-ID: <42F293B4.5060205@earthlink.net> Hi all, The "club bullshit" topic brought a lot of comments and again I thank all of you. This is a follow up on the topic as I believe all of you deserve to know. I received an e-mail from the VP today. He checked with our insurance agent and cleared up many items. The show I mentioned will go on with club authorization and liability coverage. The board will take up the issue of what shows will be authorized and try to set policy on the issue. I don't think the issue has been addressed before. The board meetings are open to all members, and I have attended as a spectator in the past. As a new member I felt I should stay in the background for a time. I will put pen to pad and write out my thoughts, ideas, and suggestions regarding members putting shows together. I will present them to the board for discussion. Compromise is part of policy and I am well aware of that. I look forward to helping the club improve and quite happy that one of my complaints will be addressed. The show will go on and I will attend. I'll get to meet members from the eastern part of the state, and make new contacts. Life is good. Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado Enjoying the cool weather and the much needed soaking rain. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 4 15:57:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 18:57:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <42F29D76.6030401@scrtc.com> Tom, It all depends on the breaks and how they transverse the gear, but I see no reason it couldn't be welded. I fixed one that was in 2 pieces a few years ago. I took a large clamp (like a hose clamp except it went around a 8 inch rubber boot) and clamped the pieces together. I then took a die grinder and v'ed the cracks. I then preheated with a torch over the entire gear, being careful not to overheat one particular area. I don't know how hot I got it but a drop of water would sizzle good. I then electric welded the cracks with Palco 808 rods. After cooling I took the band off and it worked fine. There was no gear noise out of the ordinary. A 2 piece repair might be easier than a 3 piece repair like you need. But, I'd give it a try before having a new gear made. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Tom Dunlap wrote: >I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From dncetz at watchtv.net Thu Aug 4 16:00:32 2005 From: dncetz at watchtv.net (Doug Etzkorn) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:00:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There Message-ID: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Dave, Connie and I will be attending the dinner at the Back Forty and look forward to being with your group. I enjoy reading the web site news but not really a big e-mailer myself. I will try to answer your questions as the small engine placement director. Weather permitting, the fairgrounds open at 5:00 P.M. Indiana time, no prior roping off. Many new changes this year, I hope they will work. Doug Etzkorn, Wapakoneta, OH Tri-State Engine Director From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 16:04:25 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:04:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> Hi Tom, My humble opinion is toast. If this is a stationary engine the inertia of the flywheels will keep the engine rotating. If the gear breaks it could send shrapnel that could harm folks. That is worst case. Broken parts can also damage other parts when they fly to hell. Always think safety. Jeff Allen Tom Dunlap wrote: >I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 16:26:43 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:26:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] All's well that ends well Message-ID: <1ef.4146aa19.3023fe33@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:29:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado Enjoying the cool weather and the much needed soaking rain. >> 102.9 on the carport this evening and the grass crunches under feet from lack of rain! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 4 16:31:55 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:31:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear Message-ID: <200.714dd11.3023ff6b@aol.com> In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:29:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tdunlap at satx.rr.com writes: << I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >> Tom Would it be possible to cross drill and tap the three pieces together before welding? I would think that it could be welded by the right person anyhow. Prior to doing anything, fit it together and make a template of it just in case you have to make a new one. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Aug 4 16:33:04 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:33:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F2A5B0.4070404@scrtc.com> Jeff, I agree that safety is always a concern. But, if the repair is done right, it will hold. If someone doesn't have confidence in their welding, don't do it. Luckily I grew up working in my Dad's machine shop (I've probably burned hundreds of pounds of rods just "playing"). With welding, practice is probably 90% of the ability to do it and I've had a bunch of it. The gear I repaired is still working. But, you bring up an interesting thought. All of us have purchased or traded for old iron that has been painted and some of it "slicked up". In many and most cases, we don't know what's under that paint. Maybe no repair, maybe a major one (what if a flywheel has had a major repair?). If we are unsure, should we take all the paint off to fully check it for safety's sake? (I guess this is why I like to get them rusty) Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Tom, > > My humble opinion is toast. If this is a stationary engine the inertia > of the flywheels will keep the engine rotating. If the gear breaks it > could send shrapnel that could harm folks. That is worst case. Broken > parts can also damage other parts when they fly to hell. Always think > safety. > > Jeff Allen > > Tom Dunlap wrote: > >> I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 >> pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 4 16:47:36 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:47:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <032b01c5994e$e72975c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A good welder can do amazing things. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 4 17:06:18 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear Message-ID: <20050804.170618.448.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tom. Anything can be welded, how successfully is another story. Got a picture? Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:13:10 -0500 "Tom Dunlap" writes: > I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 > pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 4 16:52:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:52:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> <42F29EF9.40201@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <036901c59953$19d32350$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Further to, a new gear bored out to act as a band will solve the further breaking and retain the cam if is part of the casting. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] broken cam gear > Hi Tom, > > My humble opinion is toast. If this is a stationary engine the inertia of > the flywheels will keep the engine rotating. If the gear breaks it could > send shrapnel that could harm folks. That is worst case. Broken parts can > also damage other parts when they fly to hell. Always think safety. > > Jeff Allen > > Tom Dunlap wrote: > >>I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces >>can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Thu Aug 4 18:03:57 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:03:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> <42F29D76.6030401@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <006c01c59959$8f360b70$546ea618@pengy> I might be able to make you a new one if the old one can't be repaired. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] broken cam gear > Tom, > > It all depends on the breaks and how they transverse the gear, but I > see no reason it couldn't be welded. I fixed one that was in 2 pieces a > few years ago. I took a large clamp (like a hose clamp except it went > around a 8 inch rubber boot) and clamped the pieces together. I then took > a die grinder and v'ed the cracks. I then preheated with a torch over the > entire gear, being careful not to overheat one particular area. I don't > know how hot I got it but a drop of water would sizzle good. I then > electric welded the cracks with Palco 808 rods. After cooling I took the > band off and it worked fine. There was no gear noise out of the ordinary. > A 2 piece repair might be easier than a 3 piece repair like you need. > But, I'd give it a try before having a new gear made. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Tom Dunlap wrote: > >>I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces >>can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From reb at apex.net Thu Aug 4 18:12:26 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:12:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <005f01c5995a$bea9e9c0$0202a8c0@Dads> I had the same dilemma a few years back. I welded mine much in the same way Tommy did but for safety sake I decided to replace it, took three years, a bunch of ads and two Portland's but I finally found one and keep the welded one for a "spare". Dick Bauer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Aug 4 19:13:24 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:13:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000001c59963$e0e14980$576f8645@carolina.rr.com> Tom, My brother Steve baked and welded the cam gear for my 6hp Novo. Heck of a good job! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Aug 4 19:19:13 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:19:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <000b01c59964$128ae900$576f8645@carolina.rr.com> Tom: My brother Steve baked and welded the cam gear for my 6hp Novo. heck of a good job!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Aug 4 20:00:00 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:00:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Information Wanted -- Gladden Model 40 Engine Message-ID: <19f.391f813c.30243030@aol.com> Hi List, Does anyone on the list have a Gladden Model 40 air cooled engine or operation/maintenance manual? If so, I need a picture of the carburetor/governor linkage. This engine has a Clinton carburetor. The governor arm moves (back and forth) in parallel with the crankshaft, whereas, the carburetor thottle plate shaft rotates in the same plane as the piston/cylinder. However, the distance between the governor arm and the carburetor thottle valve shaft is about 4" to 5" and must detour around the exhaust system. Any help will be appreciated. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Aug 4 20:17:49 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 23:17:49 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wisconsin Model MBKND Message-ID: <9.4951f907.3024345d@aol.com> Hi List, My Wisconsin Model BKN manual arrived. Now, I know what the "D" suffix in the model number indicates. It is to signify that the engine is equipped with a STELLITE valve and seat insert. I am assuming the "M" indicates that this engine is used by the military. The manual also briefly describes the "Radio-Shielded" magneto supplied by Fairbanks Morse. I hope that information might be of help to others who may have a similar model engine. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Aug 5 02:47:30 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:47:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear In-Reply-To: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200508050947.j759lqaK048900@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Its an easy job with the right consumable. Probably the best way for most people would be brazing. If its done properly it's a 100 % repair job Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Tom Dunlap Sent: Friday, 5 August 2005 6:13 AM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Fri Aug 5 04:57:54 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 21:57:54 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <121F874E.58AC1A20.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c599b4$eac26aa0$8284dccb@oemcomputer> Yes Peter and it looks good but is it the original colour?There was even an article in GEM some years ago about Nonpareils being blue.Outside of this discussion group it is common knowledge that they are blue. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:57 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > hey Ed > Can't you remember seeing my 4hp in red and green > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 5 06:12:30 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:12:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Engine Chat on Skype Message-ID: <000701c599bf$572ac070$fa4c1152@no1> I have noticed a few mentions of members saying they are changing to Broadband or DSL. I thought it might be a good time for a reminder for people with broadband to download Skype from http://www.skype.com/download/ & joining us in our engine chats. All you need is a free download of the program & a cheap headset/microphone. There are about 12 from this group already talking to each other for free. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Aug 5 08:14:35 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:14:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear References: <001d01c59941$b30e9b10$151c7546@mycomputer> Message-ID: by any chance does it resemble this one? http://community.webshots.com/photo/60686285/67548297fhkPxk http://community.webshots.com/photo/67549454/67549454jEumdi RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Dunlap" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: [SEL] broken cam gear I was wondering if any on the list knows if a cam gear thats in 3 pieces can be welded or is it toast? ....Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jerrye at databak.co.za Sat Aug 6 00:25:21 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 00:25:21 Subject: [SEL] Doug Prescott In-Reply-To: <200508051000.j75A0CrQ016877@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050806002521.009ff470@127.0.0.1> Hi List Very sad news is that Doug Prescott passed away last night. 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Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From dscott at kooee.com.au Fri Aug 5 15:40:47 2005 From: dscott at kooee.com.au (dscott at kooee.com.au) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:40:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test only Message-ID: <001601c59a0e$c0a42650$0201a8c0@de384b0d0c5cc4> From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 5 16:13:30 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:13:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ron Wiley Message-ID: <000d01c59a13$4f48bbb0$209681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one in Australia know if Ron Wiley of Victor Harbour South Australia has an email address. Thanks. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 18:38:43 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:38:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There In-Reply-To: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> References: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> Hi Doug, Great news. I've got you down for two! I do need to talk to you about the SEL area placement this year. From what I can see we will still be OK in the spot we have occupied for the last 6 years. Is that correct? Also, I'd like to talk with you about future years. OFES , the spark plug collectors etc. do NOT need to get to Portland on Friday to "claim" the land that they need. I'd like the same courtesy extended to the SEL. How do I go about requesting that? Dave At 07:00 PM 8/4/2005, you wrote: >Dave, >Connie and I will be attending the dinner at the Back Forty and look >forward to being with your group. I enjoy reading the web site news but >not really a big e-mailer myself. I will try to answer your questions as >the small engine placement director. >Weather permitting, the fairgrounds open at 5:00 P.M. Indiana time, no >prior roping off. Many new changes this year, I hope they will work. >Doug Etzkorn, Wapakoneta, OH >Tri-State Engine Director From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Aug 5 09:25:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:25:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Flookburgh Vintage pictures References: <000d01c59935$94b82660$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Very nice Dave!! Just yesterday I was mowing a lawn next to a hedge and wondered why no one has came up with a tractor mounted hedge trimmer...and here you come up with one. Looks pretty dry there also. later and thanks RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Flookburgh Vintage pictures > I took these pictures last weekend on the edge of the English lake > District. > A superb show & I took the pictures to show a lot of the general show, > not just the engines. See > http://community.webshots.com/album/412326992LEwYdL > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 19:04:43 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:04:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Land GRAB Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805215430.040fe190@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The Portland Land Grab (Friday @ 5:00) has now been arranged! Brandi Clark (Leroy's daughter) has agreed to sit at the site for 10 hours (or so) and then drive in the posts at 5:00. Brandi will have the help of several others whom Leroy has commandeered. We will be in the same place as last year unless the Directors have decided that it will be a tractor area. I'm trying to contact Doug to ascertain if we are OK in the area we have had for the past 6 years. If this area has been turned into a tractor area then the SEL area will be set up in the new engine area. In any event, find the SEL area when you pull into Portland and set up (or just hang out) with the List! Dave PS, The ATIS dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Fri Aug 5 19:30:40 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:30:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <51741DB6.26B19468.04B7CB00@aol.com> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of rust as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 5 19:34:52 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:34:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> References: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42F421CC.7070904@scrtc.com> Dave, Do we need to do anything different this year in terms of where we park, etc? I'll be bringing a trailer with a big hunk of iron on it and wondered if I'd be able to park on the asphalt as I've done in the past. I know several changes are in store this year as to engine and tractor placement. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Doug, > Great news. I've got you down for two! I do need to talk to > you about the SEL area placement this year. From what I can see we > will still be OK in the spot we have occupied for the last 6 years. Is > that correct? Also, I'd like to talk with you about future years. OFES > , the spark plug collectors etc. do NOT need to get to Portland on > Friday to "claim" the land that they need. I'd like the same courtesy > extended to the SEL. How do I go about requesting that? > Dave > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Aug 5 19:48:49 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:48:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Land GRAB In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805215430.040fe190@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805215430.040fe190@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42F42511.2040701@scrtc.com> Dave, I sent my prior email before this one arrived. You've answered my questions! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > The Portland Land Grab (Friday @ 5:00) has now been arranged! > Brandi Clark (Leroy's daughter) has agreed to sit at the site for 10 > hours (or so) and then drive in the posts at 5:00. Brandi will have > the help of several others whom Leroy has commandeered. We will be in > the same place as last year unless the Directors have decided that it > will be a tractor area. I'm trying to contact Doug to ascertain if we > are OK in the area we have had for the past 6 years. If this area has > been turned into a tractor area then the SEL area will be set up in > the new engine area. In any event, find the SEL area when you pull > into Portland and set up (or just hang out) with the List! > Dave > PS, The ATIS dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 19:49:35 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 22:49:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Show 2005-Hope to See You There In-Reply-To: <42F421CC.7070904@scrtc.com> References: <001501c59948$546705a0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> <6.1.2.0.0.20050805213218.0222cd28@mail.alltel.net> <42F421CC.7070904@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805224611.041132c0@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, Sure hope that it will be the same as the last 6 years. I'm still trying to get in contact with Doug to determine that it will be. Dave At 10:34 PM 8/5/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > Do we need to do anything different this year in terms of where we > park, etc? I'll be bringing a trailer with a big hunk of iron on it and > wondered if I'd be able to park on the asphalt as I've done in the > past. I know several changes are in store this year as to engine and > tractor placement. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>Hi Doug, >> Great news. I've got you down for two! I do need to talk to you >> about the SEL area placement this year. From what I can see we will >> still be OK in the spot we have occupied for the last 6 years. Is that >> correct? Also, I'd like to talk with you about future years. OFES , the >> spark plug collectors etc. do NOT need to get to Portland on Friday to >> "claim" the land that they need. I'd like the same courtesy extended to >> the SEL. How do I go about requesting that? >> Dave >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Aug 5 20:36:27 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:36:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Area at Portland Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805232538.0414be28@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Doug just called and we talked for some time about the SEL area at Portland. To make a long story short we will be in the same place as we have been for the past 6 years. It's still an engine area and Brandi will be setting it up for us. Doug tells me that he has some posts in concrete buckets that we can use on the blacktop (but so does Leroy.) Last year we had to pay $75.00 for the 4 three-eights inch holes that we drilled into the blacktop in order to place the posts in the blacktop! (Hell, that's less than $25.00 per hole, so I figured that that's not too bad!) Dave PS, The ATIS/SEL dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 5 21:33:38 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:33:38 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= In-Reply-To: <51741DB6.26B19468.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Hi Peter, I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of rust as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 00:54:40 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:54:40 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would have trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it and it will go away. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hi Peter, > I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > > yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint > intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of rust > as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Aug 6 01:53:28 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:53:28 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> <002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> Hey Edd maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its own sump ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > have > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it and > it will go away. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Hi Peter, >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >> rust >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >> >> -- >> Woody >> Peter Woodmore >> Moorebank >> NSW Australia >> peterwoodmore at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sat Aug 6 05:03:40 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:03:40 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Area at Portland In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050805232538.0414be28@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Thank you Dave, Leroy, and Brandi for all your work!! It is very much appreciated! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi All, > Doug just called and we talked for some time about the SEL area at >Portland. To make a long story short we will be in the same place as we >have been for the past 6 years. It's still an engine area and Brandi will >be setting it up for us. Doug tells me that he has some posts in concrete >buckets that we can use on the blacktop (but so does Leroy.) Last year we >had to pay $75.00 for the 4 three-eights inch holes that we drilled into >the blacktop in order to place the posts in the blacktop! (Hell, that's >less than $25.00 per hole, so I figured that that's not too bad!) > Dave >PS, The ATIS/SEL dinner is at 6:00 on Thursday! From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sat Aug 6 05:21:23 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:21:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Aug 6 05:33:47 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:33:47 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> <002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n> Hey Brock What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that covered everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black oil!! Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Edd > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > own > sump ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would >> have >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it >> and >> it will go away. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >>> Hi Peter, >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >>> rust >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >>> >>> -- >>> Woody >>> Peter Woodmore >>> Moorebank >>> NSW Australia >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 6 05:49:47 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:49:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Area at Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42F4B1EB.90804@scrtc.com> Amen to that Luke! Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky > Thank you Dave, Leroy, and Brandi for all your work!! It is very much > appreciated! > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > From ihcboggs at jayco.net Sat Aug 6 05:52:49 2005 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne Boggs) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:52:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC M Engines Message-ID: <000e01c59a85$c3e72340$285428cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Hi. If anyone could help, I asked for some info on Understrikes. The guy (I don't remember his name) sent me a manual. I was hoping to find out who he is. I will be at Portland this year with the "Girls" and wanted to invite him down to see display. (Or anyone who wants to) Hopefully we're set up at the same place like always. Thanks DeWayne & Casey From mullt at att.net Sat Aug 6 05:58:08 2005 From: mullt at att.net (mullt at att.net) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:58:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books Message-ID: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. Tom in St. Louis From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 06:23:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:23:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books In-Reply-To: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605080606235805de92@mail.gmail.com> On 8/6/05, mullt at att.net wrote: > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > > Tom in St. Louis I always enjoy reading Fred Colvin's books, and have a few in the library at home. he did a fair number of machine tool books along with aircraft maintenance stuff, and the books are fairly available on the internet. He writes well and is not prone to complicated prose. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 06:24:45 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:24:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books In-Reply-To: <6f60251605080606235805de92@mail.gmail.com> References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> <6f60251605080606235805de92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605080606246253e760@mail.gmail.com> On 8/6/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8/6/05, mullt at att.net wrote: > > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > > > > Tom in St. Louis > > I always enjoy reading Fred Colvin's books, and have a few in the > library at home. he did a fair number of machine tool books along with > aircraft maintenance stuff, and the books are fairly available on the > internet. He writes well and is not prone to complicated prose. > > Peter Heres a url: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bx=off&sts=t&ds=30&bi=0&an=Fred+Colvin&sortby=2 Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sat Aug 6 06:33:56 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:33:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <010e01c59a8b$7efa6d40$546ea618@pengy> Try www.lindsaybks.com Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop > techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > > Tom in St. Louis > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 6 06:45:54 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:45:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books References: <080620051258.5952.42F4B3E00005F1C70000174021612436469B04049A03@att.net> Message-ID: <005601c59a8d$2bf6d4b0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books > Does any body know of some good books for self study on basic machine shop techniques? (machine shop techniques that apply to old engines) Thanks. > Tom in St. Louis Hi Tom, Do you have broadband or dsl? I can send you the 26th Machinery Handbook to read on your computer but it is 650 MB & too big for a dial up download. Let me know if you want it. (Free!) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 07:08:35 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:08:35 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer> <002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <000f01c59a90$56c5d120$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Yeh!Just tried to buy that engine and give opec a run for there money. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Edd > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its own > sump ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > > have > > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it and > > it will go away. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > > >> Hi Peter, > >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> Leichhardt NSW > >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint > >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of > >> rust > >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > >> > >> -- > >> Woody > >> Peter Woodmore > >> Moorebank > >> NSW Australia > >> peterwoodmore at aol.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 07:09:26 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:09:26 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <001701c59a90$7548ca80$a284dccb@oemcomputer> You been next to that engine two. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:21 Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sat Aug 6 07:12:07 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:12:07 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> <000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n> Message-ID: <001d01c59a90$d51c58a0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Did you here that Brock has fixed his Gilson.It now has COMPRESSION and he has to stop it from time to time and grease the rod bearing as there is no wast oil blown out the back to keep it lubricated. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick Christie" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:33 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Brock > What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that covered > everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black oil!! > Mick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > Hey Edd > > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > > own > > sump ? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "edd payne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > > >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > >> have > >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it > >> and > >> it will go away. > >> EDD PAYNE > >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >> 0263742387 > >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > >> > >> > >>> Hi Peter, > >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > >>> > >>> Patrick M Livingstone > >>> Leichhardt NSW > >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> > >>> > >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original paint > >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of > >>> rust > >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Woody > >>> Peter Woodmore > >>> Moorebank > >>> NSW Australia > >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 6 10:01:24 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 03:01:24 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions_now_oil_slingi?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ng?= In-Reply-To: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <20050806170120.RZHQ21584.omta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Here is my poor old No.1 Eclipse doing what it does best, chucking oil: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/youngpics/yeclipse%26model.JPG Note the dark marks on the grass either side of the engine :) People ask not to set up next to it. At the National Brock's Jelbart got the blame for raining oil on everything but I think it was actually the Hornsby-Akroyd that was responsible. It left some impressive spots on anyone who had been near it. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Sat Aug 6 10:49:12 2005 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:49:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity Auction Voting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200508061349120234.2AB7A7C5@heavyiron.atis.net> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 8/6/2005 at 12:51 PM D8RMAN at aol.com wrote: >The last day to vote is August 15, 2005 so get your vote in now at >_http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php_ >(http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php) . >_______________________________________________ >AT mailing list >http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at Also remember - Nominations is still open until the end of the weekend! Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Aug 6 12:26:07 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:26:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity Auction Voting References: <200508061349120234.2AB7A7C5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <000e01c59abc$b2fc5e60$fa4c1152@no1> Hi Spencer, how do you access this page. I cannot log in using the name & password that gets me into the ATIS engine pages? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: [AT] Charity Auction Voting > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > On 8/6/2005 at 12:51 PM D8RMAN at aol.com wrote: > >The last day to vote is August 15, 2005 so get your vote in now at > >_http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php_ > >(http://www.antique-tractor.com/index.php) . > >_______________________________________________ > >AT mailing list > >http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at > > > Also remember - Nominations is still open until the end of the weekend! > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Aug 6 15:01:53 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:01:53 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <3DC54031.0D1237FE.04B7CB00@aol.com> Message-ID: <014401c59ad2$755dac10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> A lot of fast learners around Pete!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > it learnt how to throw oil from one of yours Patrick > > -- > Woody > Peter Woodmore > Moorebank > NSW Australia > peterwoodmore at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 16:08:15 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <6f60251605080606246253e760@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050806230815.3588.qmail@web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Howdy Folks, If I remember correctly (IIRC) a while back someone showed a link to a vise type lacing toll and it was mentioned that there were two other types with handles also. This could have been over on Jim's list. I have one of the vise ones, One with two handles that you move side-to-side and one with two handles that you pull forward. Neither of these ones with handles have a makers name on it. How many different types of hand operated lacing machines do y'all have or know about? Of the three,, I like most the one with two handles that are pulled forward. I have seen more of the type with two handles that move side-to-side. Mine like that have a nice tag on it, but it just says to keep it oiled,,,,, Go figure,, Why didn't they put their name on the tag?? Maybe one company made them and lots of different companies put their sticker on them and sold them???? I am getting ready to take at least one to the Buckley show and offer to lace belts for folks. I plan on doing this every year from now on and folks will learn in time that I am there. Does anyone know who made these machines? TIA, Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 6 16:43:22 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lineshaft equipment In-Reply-To: <42F0875C.7070105@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <20050806234322.1592.qmail@web31304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good thinking Paul, I have a 6hp FBM Z that will someday be hooked to a line shaft here. It is open crancked and throttle governed. I will build a lean-to shed on the other end of my shop and put the engine out there. I want the steady speed of the TG and the shed addition is to protect the open crank. I don't want the surge from a hit-n-miss if I get my horizontal milling machine loosened up and working. --- Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > I agree it would look nicest to use a hit-n-miss - but in a machine shop > where you need a steady speed and there is a lot of crud flying around, > I'd be thinking an enclosed throttle governed engine - maybe even a > diesel would be the way to go. You'd get a nice steady speed and the > engine would be immune from swarf and chips etc. > > Paul > > Curt wrote: > > Rick, > > How about an appropriate hit and miss engine to drive the line shaft? > > I've been in a few shops that use engines for the lineshaft. It's a neat > > thing to go over and crank the engine up prior to doing any work. > > And to complete any metal shop a trip/drop hammer would be nice. > > How about an old planer or horizontal mill? > > Curt > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Aug 6 18:09:05 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:09:05 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin><000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n> <001d01c59a90$d51c58a0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001201c59aec$9b7606d0$5f11fea9@merlin> yeah thats a basted now i have to oil it now it use to be self oiling ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Did you here that Brock has fixed his Gilson.It now has COMPRESSION and he > has to stop it from time to time and grease the rod bearing as there is no > wast oil blown out the back to keep it lubricated. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mick Christie" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:33 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Hey Brock >> What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that >> covered >> everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black > oil!! >> Mick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brock Summerfield" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >> > Hey Edd >> > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its >> > own >> > sump ? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "edd payne" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> > >> > >> >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he >> >> would >> >> have >> >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it >> >> and >> >> it will go away. >> >> EDD PAYNE >> >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> >> 0263742387 >> >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >> >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Peter, >> >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >> >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >> >>> >> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >> >>> Leichhardt NSW >> >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original > paint >> >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >> >>> rust >> >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Woody >> >>> Peter Woodmore >> >>> Moorebank >> >>> NSW Australia >> >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> SEL mailing list >> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Aug 6 07:32:13 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:32:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Machine Shop Books In-Reply-To: <005601c59a8d$2bf6d4b0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <20050806143213.30825.qmail@web25509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Dave I have tried Steve W's link to the downloadable version on numerous attempts, but without success. Would you be able to include me when you start uploading? Many thanks in anticipation. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Dave Croft wrote: > I can send you the 26th Machinery Handbook to read on your computer but it is 650 MB & too big > for a dial up download. > Let me know if you want it. (Free!) ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Aug 6 20:11:02 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 03:11:02 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net><02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961><2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> I havent a clue how this happened Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > Hi Bill, > > He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And > since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who > report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >> Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? >> >> Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >> ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 >> >> Bill >> >> > what club, what show, what website? >> > I have not learned to read minds yet >> > help! >> > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Aug 6 20:16:44 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:16:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools Message-ID: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Alan. I have both the one you use in a vise (Clipper Belt Lacer Co. Vise laser No.1-6)and one with two handles that spread apart, also made by clipper. It has three tags, first says; important oil often do, do lacing in center of press, No.3-----6in. No163765. The second says; Clipper Belt Lacer, a patent number and Manufactured by Clipper Belt Lacer, Grand........ cant read the rest. Third tag says; Laurence Belting Co. distributors, manufacturers 111 Chambers St. N? could be a Y for New York. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Alan Bowen writes: > > Howdy Folks, .................... > How many different types of hand operated lacing machines do y'all > have or know about? > Of the three,, I like most the one with two handles that are pulled > forward. .................... > Maybe one company made them and lots of different companies put > their sticker on them and sold > them???? > > I am getting ready to take at least one to the Buckley show and > offer to lace belts for folks. I > plan on doing this every year from now on and folks will learn in > time that I am there. > > Does anyone know who made these machines? > > TIA, > Alan Bowen > Williamsburg, Michigan From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sat Aug 6 20:39:54 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:39:54 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin><000f01c59a83$2f580ca0$5dad57ca@n><001d01c59a90$d51c58a0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> <001201c59aec$9b7606d0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <001e01c59b01$bb63f550$92ad57ca@n> Is a shame brock as most gilsons dont have pressure fed big end oiling systems! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > yeah thats a basted now i have to oil it now it use to be self oiling > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Did you here that Brock has fixed his Gilson.It now has COMPRESSION and >> he >> has to stop it from time to time and grease the rod bearing as there is >> no >> wast oil blown out the back to keep it lubricated. >> EDD PAYNE >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> 0263742387 >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mick Christie" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:33 >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >>> Hey Brock >>> What about that 6 h.p jelbart at the heyfield National Rally, that >>> covered >>> everyone in a 10 meter radius of the engine with a fine film of black >> oil!! >>> Mick >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brock Summerfield" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >>> >>> >>> > Hey Edd >>> > maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in >>> > its >>> > own >>> > sump ? >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "edd payne" >>> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >>> > >>> > >>> >> Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he >>> >> would >>> >> have >>> >> trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to >>> >> it >>> >> and >>> >> it will go away. >>> >> EDD PAYNE >>> >> PO BOX 364 GULGONG >>> >> New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >>> >> 0263742387 >>> >> edsingns at winsoft.net.au >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >>> >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >>> >> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >>> >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >>> >>> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick M Livingstone >>> >>> Leichhardt NSW >>> >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>> >>> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original >> paint >>> >>> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile >>> >>> of >>> >>> rust >>> >>> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Woody >>> >>> Peter Woodmore >>> >>> Moorebank >>> >>> NSW Australia >>> >>> peterwoodmore at aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> SEL mailing list >>> >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> SEL mailing list >>> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat Aug 6 23:48:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:48:53 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin> 94985309 Message-ID: <005501c59b1c$1362d180$0301a8c0@Cam> Hey Ed does that mean I can park a little closer to Brock now. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Yeh!Just tried to buy that engine and give opec a run for there money. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > >> Hey Edd >> maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > own >> sump ? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "edd payne" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> >> >> > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would >> > have >> > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it > and >> > it will go away. >> > EDD PAYNE >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 >> > 0263742387 >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 >> > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. >> > >> > >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large >> >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) >> >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> >> Leichhardt NSW >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> >> >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original >> >> paint >> >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of >> >> rust >> >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Woody >> >> Peter Woodmore >> >> Moorebank >> >> NSW Australia >> >> peterwoodmore at aol.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> SEL mailing list >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Sun Aug 7 00:37:49 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:37:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report Message-ID: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Hi everyone, due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will place in my clubs news upcomming letter. I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and mine alone. The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why every club cant do this) Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 Misson Statement "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" Membership May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members Presidents report " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with associations in other hobby interests. Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of appreciation for there work with the Association. Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a magazine John Stanley President" Secretarys Report The NHMA As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. Insurance Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to the Safety Guidelines. Safety Guidelines At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the Committee member nearest you. The Constitution A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested amendments 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the committee 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again for comment 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the final draft consitution be adopted. When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified Ken Bock Secretary Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, with a real possibility that it would be not available. B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the nominated members. *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per member.*** _________End of Annual Report_______________ I hope this is some use to you? Cheers, Adam From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 7 02:17:47 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:17:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <03b401c59b30$e1d31610$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Adam. Thanks for putting this up. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:37 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats > going on > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being > unobtainable > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report > which we will > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct > relationship with > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also > the > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations > are mine and > mine alone. > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all > NHMA materials > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and > give a report > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no > reason why > every club cant do this) > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the > Australian hobby and > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the > information. > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > Misson Statement > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a > small number of > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a > common > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old > stationary > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > Membership > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > Presidents report > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to > introduce > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The > major > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA > becomes more > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people > with similar > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, > as with > associations in other hobby interests. > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity > badges, are > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our > shirts, and trust > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our > exhibits where we > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates > of of > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs > and also a > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the > association and we > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a > positive reflection > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on > their > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. > Recognition > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long > over due. > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final > acceptance > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be > operational by June > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the > communication with > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I > request that > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, > via the club > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central > operation to > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in > the form of a > magazine > > John Stanley > President" > > Secretarys Report > > The NHMA > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and > almost 8000 > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt > the > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates > is one reason > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group > is growing > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar > interests, similar > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point > where basic > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial > to all: > >>IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over >>thorughly at a > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the > club can not > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, > preferable under > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the > committee of > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the > committee member > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, > who will > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > >> Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is > a two way > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > Insurance > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview > of the > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the > policy offered, > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the > cost to members. > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety > guidelines to > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be > paid out on, > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid > on, then the > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the > motor > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making > any changes to > the Safety Guidelines. > > Safety Guidelines > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I > indicated above > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's > communication with the > Committee member nearest you. > > The Constitution > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee > of > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done > this way > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some > suggested > amendments > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to > the > committee > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member > clubs, again > for comment > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the > AGM that the > final draft consitution be adopted. > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution > will also be > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > Ken Bock > Secretary > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These > should be looked > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do > not have these > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a > possibility that > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should > this happen > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance > will increase, > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and > drinks, > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to > be recorded > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that > records the > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to > consider. > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to > the > nominated members. > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted > for 2005/06, > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 > per > member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Aug 7 05:14:54 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:14:54 +1000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BSEL=5D_Panningen_=A02005_impressions.?= References: <20050806043335.DGHJ28893.omta04sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML><002901c59a5c$1ae04020$a384dccb@oemcomputer><002901c59a64$5047b150$5f11fea9@merlin>94985309 <005501c59b1c$1362d180$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <002b01c59b49$9f99c5a0$a484dccb@oemcomputer> Not to close Cam.He needs SOME room to walk between them. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 4:48 Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > Hey Ed does that mean I can park a little closer to Brock now. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "edd payne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > Yeh!Just tried to buy that engine and give opec a run for there money. > > EDD PAYNE > > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > > 0263742387 > > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brock Summerfield" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 6:53 > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > > > > > >> Hey Edd > >> maybe this engine is related to a novo in syd that produces oil in its > > own > >> sump ? > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "edd payne" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:54 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > >> > >> > >> > Yeh what a mess.I would bring it home and clean it for him but he would > >> > have > >> > trouble getting it back.Buy the way,how to stop a thread,respond to it > > and > >> > it will go away. > >> > EDD PAYNE > >> > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > >> > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > >> > 0263742387 > >> > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >> > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 2:33 > >> > Subject: RE: [SEL] Panningen 2005 impressions. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi Peter, > >> >> I think your engine was pretty safe from rust due to the large > >> >> amounts of oil it seems to cover itself with ;) > >> >> > >> >> Patrick M Livingstone > >> >> Leichhardt NSW > >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > >> >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> yes Ed it was originally red, When I got it it still had original > >> >> paint > >> >> intact and there was no other colour underneath. It was not a pile of > >> >> rust > >> >> as things stay pretty good around Lightning Ridge where it came from > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Woody > >> >> Peter Woodmore > >> >> Moorebank > >> >> NSW Australia > >> >> peterwoodmore at aol.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> SEL mailing list > >> >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Aug 7 05:32:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:32:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln Message-ID: G'day all; Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to Keith's: http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and the required pressure/volume. Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. Appreciate any advise! RickinMt. PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 7 06:03:56 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <20050807130356.43752.qmail@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the reply, Ron!!! Are the other two tags metal like the one that Has the oil often and center the belt info? Can you please tell me where they are on the lacer? I have never seen another one like my favorite with the two handles that are pulled forward. I think it is a lot nicer to use. Alan Bowen --- rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Alan. > I have both the one you use in a vise (Clipper Belt Lacer Co. Vise laser > No.1-6)and one with two handles that spread apart, also made by clipper. > It has three tags, first says; important oil often do, do lacing in > center of press, No.3-----6in. No163765. The second says; Clipper Belt > Lacer, a patent number and Manufactured by Clipper Belt Lacer, > Grand........ cant read the rest. Third tag says; Laurence Belting Co. > distributors, manufacturers 111 Chambers St. N? could be a Y for New > York. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Alan Bowen > writes: > > > > Howdy Folks, > .................... > > How many different types of hand operated lacing machines do y'all > > have or know about? > > Of the three,, I like most the one with two handles that are pulled > > forward. > .................... > > Maybe one company made them and lots of different companies put > > their sticker on them and sold > > them???? > > > > I am getting ready to take at least one to the Buckley show and > > offer to lace belts for folks. I > > plan on doing this every year from now on and folks will learn in > > time that I am there. > > > > Does anyone know who made these machines? > > > > TIA, > > Alan Bowen > > Williamsburg, Michigan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Aug 7 06:26:50 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:26:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4e6cdf6ef7e1cceb949fd579b8b68589@chartertn.net> > It has three tags, first says; important oil often do, Sounds like Yoda built Clipper lacers. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Sun Aug 7 12:03:05 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:03:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <00b801c59b82$b1055e60$46b9869d@ibm22761389857> What is NHMA? Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 03:37 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and > mine alone. > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why > every club cant do this) > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > Misson Statement > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > Membership > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > Presidents report > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with > associations in other hobby interests. > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a > magazine > > John Stanley > President" > > Secretarys Report > > The NHMA > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: > > >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > Insurance > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to > the Safety Guidelines. > > Safety Guidelines > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the > Committee member nearest you. > > The Constitution > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested > amendments > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the > committee > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again > for comment > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the > final draft consitution be adopted. > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > Ken Bock > Secretary > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the > nominated members. > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per > member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 16:55:17 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:55:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report In-Reply-To: <00b801c59b82$b1055e60$46b9869d@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <001201c59bab$7c0c2210$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Something we hope never invades the United States! Chuck Emsweller Rushville, In -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Blacksmith Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 2:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report What is NHMA? Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 03:37 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and > mine alone. > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why > every club cant do this) > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > Misson Statement > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > Membership > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > Presidents report > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with > associations in other hobby interests. > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a > magazine > > John Stanley > President" > > Secretarys Report > > The NHMA > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: > > >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > Insurance > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to > the Safety Guidelines. > > Safety Guidelines > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the > Committee member nearest you. > > The Constitution > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested > amendments > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the > committee > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again > for comment > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the > final draft consitution be adopted. > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > Ken Bock > Secretary > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the > nominated members. > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per > member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > Cheers, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Aug 7 17:02:13 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:02:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> <00b801c59b82$b1055e60$46b9869d@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <001a01c59bac$6e03a520$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> National Historical Machinery Association. Here in OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blacksmith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > What is NHMA? > > Bob Willman > The Eagle's Anvil > Bowling Green, Ohio > WB8NQW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Cottrill" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 03:37 > Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats > going on > > with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being > unobtainable > > by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report > which we will > > place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > > > > I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct > relationship with > > the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also > the > > NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations > are mine and > > mine alone. > > > > The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all > NHMA materials > > onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and > give a report > > at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no > reason why > > every club cant do this) > > > > Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the > Australian hobby and > > members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the > information. > > > > > > NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > > > > Misson Statement > > "The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a > small number of > > clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a > common > > interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old > stationary > > engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > > > > Membership > > May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members > > May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > > > > Presidents report > > " At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to > introduce > > innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The > major > > decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA > becomes more > > to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people > with similar > > interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, > as with > > associations in other hobby interests. > > > > Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity > badges, are > > wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our > shirts, and trust > > that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our > exhibits where we > > rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > > > > Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates > of of > > appreciation for there work with the Association. > > > > Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs > and also a > > submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > > > > The committee will continue to better the relationship with the > association and we > > trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a > positive reflection > > to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on > their > > letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. > Recognition > > of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > > > > The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long > over due. > > This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final > acceptance > > by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > > > > Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be > operational by June > > > > Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the > communication with > > member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I > request that > > all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, > via the club > > secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > > > > For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central > operation to > > state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in > the form of a > > magazine > > > > John Stanley > > President" > > > > Secretarys Report > > > > The NHMA > > As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and > almost 8000 > > members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt > the > > associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates > is one reason > > clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group > is growing > > because we are an Association of like minded people with similar > interests, similar > > problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point > where basic > > communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > > > > With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial > to all: > > > > >IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over > thorughly at a > > club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the > club can not > > resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, > preferable under > > a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the > committee of > > management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the > committee member > > cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, > who will > > bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > > > Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in > > communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is > a two way > > function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > > > > Insurance > > Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview > of the > > policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the > policy offered, > > the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the > cost to members. > > > > Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety > guidelines to > > a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be > paid out on, > > then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid > on, then the > > insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the > motor > > vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > > > > The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making > any changes to > > the Safety Guidelines. > > > > Safety Guidelines > > > > At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I > indicated above > > this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's > communication with the > > Committee member nearest you. > > > > The Constitution > > > > A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee > of > > management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done > this way > > 1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some > suggested > > amendments > > 2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations > > 3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to > the > > committee > > 4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member > clubs, again > > for comment > > 5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the > AGM that the > > final draft consitution be adopted. > > > > When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution > will also be > > forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > > > > Ken Bock > > Secretary > > > > Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > > > > A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These > should be looked > > upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do > not have these > > Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a > possibility that > > more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should > this happen > > and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance > will increase, > > with a real possibility that it would be not available. > > > > B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and > drinks, > > cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to > be recorded > > as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that > records the > > hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > > > > C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to > consider. > > Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to > the > > nominated members. > > > > *** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted > for 2005/06, > > when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 > per > > member.*** > > > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > > > > > I hope this is some use to you? > > > > Cheers, > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 17:23:13 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:23:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics Message-ID: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> Hi all, Limon Heritage Days is a one day local event in Eastern Colorado. Our club is invited to show there each year. Free lunch for showing, and a free motel if need be. I made the trek out east again on Saturday. Looked much the same as the week before as I traveled to and from another show. I arrived about noon, and it's a small event compared to Bird City the week before. There were no folks at the small display of engines, but it was time for lunch. I wandered down to the lunch line cause I was ready for some food. Six bucks bought a fine feed of barbeque beef sandwich with beans, slaw, watermelon, and ice tea. I had my club cap on and it brought up conversation as I ate. Seems the two couples sitting next and across from me attended because they saw the info on the web site. Had a nice chat and I think two new members. One for sure as he collects stationary engines and wants to show them. I finished my lunch and headed back to the engine area. I found a few club members there and we had a nice chat. Laugh, flame me, or joke all you want. There were five engines, and one model at the show and tractors in another area. It was a great time for me. One member asked why I didn't bring anything, and I told him all I had was the Maytag right now. Robert looked up and smiled and said "I didn't know Maytag made engines". Hoppy looked over and told me to ignore him and bring whatever I have next year. We all had a good laugh, and I will be there next year to show. Nice little one day easy trip event. There is a fine railroad museum and the Limon Heritage Museum on the grounds and I spent a lot of time taking those in. Snapped up a lot of pictures for such a small show, and they are now online if you care to look. The Emerson Brandingham engine is worth a look, as is the 1/4 scale Rider Ericsson Hot Air Pumping Engine. Tractors, farm equipment, and other stuff if you care to look. http://frapa.us/Limon05/Limon05.html Enjoy! I know I did Jeff Allen P.S. If the sixth tractor picture comes up wrong let me know. 45 minutes of work and that damn 52 McCormick still don't show right for me. It seems to want to be a Farmall so I'll just remove it. From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 17:48:40 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 18:48:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report In-Reply-To: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <42F6ABE8.4030807@earthlink.net> Hi Adam, Thanks for sharing. My feeling is you have a serious problem there, and it's not getting better. Arnie Fero brought it up some time ago, and to date there have been no answers. How many accidents/incidents have occurred that required payment on insurance? Still no answer, but the rates are going up. The day that the short one can't go behind the rope, ride and steer a steam tractor, and ride the pulling sled will be the end for me. Hope it never gets up here. Best of luck getting some common sense back in your part of the world. Jeff Allen Adam Cottrill wrote: >Hi everyone, > due to the amount of emails ive been receiving as whats going on >with the NHMA and in some cases for what ever reason the information being unobtainable >by these said persons I have compiled a breif of the NHMA Annual report which we will >place in my clubs news upcomming letter. > >I should at this point I guess add a disclaimer that I have no direct relationship with >the NHMA only that of being a NHMA member of an affiliated club and also the >NHMA/insurance officer of that same club. Any errors or misinturpriations are mine and >mine alone. > >The information I have on hand is from my club secretary who passes all NHMA materials >onto me after it being entered as being received and I summerise it and give a report >at our meeting! He loves it as its one less thing he has to do! (i see no reason why >every club cant do this) > >Again the motivations for doing this are the greater good of the Australian hobby and >members of the NHMA who for what ever reason cannot access the information. > > >NHMA Annual Report - April 2005 > >Misson Statement >"The N.H.M.A Inc. is an association of enthusiasts, formed in 1987 by a small number of >clubs with similar interests which provide a fellowship for people which a common >interest in collecting, restoring exhibiting or being associated with old stationary >engines, tractors machinery and vechiles" > >Membership >May 2004 - 137 clubs 7139 nominated members >May 2005 - 149 clubs 7915 nominated members > >Presidents report >" At last year's AGM the committee considered that it was timely to introduce >innovative approaches to the manner in which the association operated. The major >decision embraced a programme of exposure. By this we intend that the NHMA becomes more >to members than an insurance supplier; to become an association of people with similar >interests, enjoying rallying, friendships, a sense of belonging together, as with >associations in other hobby interests. > >Towards this objective, your committe members, in addition to indentity badges, are >wearing the NHMA logo hat badge and cloth patches of our logo on our shirts, and trust >that members will follow suit. We place "NHMA Representative" at our exhibits where we >rally. This has bought limited success. However, it is early days > >Tom Mackay, Brian Blum and Jan Peitsch where presented with certificates of of >appreciation for there work with the Association. > >Two submissions for the 2007 National where received from two QLD clubs and also a >submission was received to to introduce a National Tractor Trek > >The committee will continue to better the relationship with the association and we >trust the leaders of clubs will assist us in that direction, with a positive reflection >to members, particulary new members. We request that clubs include on their >letterheads, "member of the NHMA" or "affiliated with the NHMA" plus logo. Recognition >of the NHMA on club banners would also be a welcome addition. > >The committe of management will revied the constitution, an exercise long over due. >This will be a drawn out exercise and involves legal considerations. Final acceptance >by member clubs is planned for the 2006 AGM > >Alan Shephard is arranging an Association Website, this should be operational by June > >Additional state representatives will be ellected to assist with the communication with >member clubs and also to lighten the load of the over worked secretary. I request that >all clubs adhere if at all possible, to the principle of communication, via the club >secretary, and then via the State Rep who contacts the Assoc Secretary. > >For the future, the Association may consider a move from a total central operation to >state committees. Perhaps the quarterly report or newsletter could be in the form of a >magazine > >John Stanley >President" > >Secretarys Report > >The NHMA >As indicated earlier the Association now has over 150 member clubs and almost 8000 >members, and requests for membership are still being received. No doubt the >associations provision of public liability insurance at affordable rates is one reason >clubs are wishing to join us. However I would also like to think the group is growing >because we are an Association of like minded people with similar interests, similar >problems. Like most larger organisations the NHMA has grown to a point where basic >communications are not as effective as when we were a smaller association. > >With this in mind may I suggest some minor changes that may be beneficial to all: > > > >>IF a club member has a problem, please discuss his/her problem over thorughly at a >> >> >club meeting. If the club can resolve the issue, that is great. If the club can not >resolve the matter then please have the club secretary write a letter, preferable under >a club letterhead to a committee of management member nearest you. If the committee of >management member can resolve the isssue this is great also!! If the committee member >cannot solve the issue, he/she will then contact a member of the excutive, who will >bring the matter to the committee of management for a decision/ > > > >>Those on the Committee of Management have been requested to be active in >> >> >communicating with member clubs. But please remember that communication is a two way >function, clubs are also requested to communicate with committee members. > >Insurance >Peter Huk of Austnet Insurance Services presented an informative overview of the >policies NHMA have with Austnet. There is a fine balance between the policy offered, >the NHMA Risk Management Policy or Safety Guidelines in place, and the cost to members. > >Its as simple as this: Should the Commitee of Management relax the safety guidelines to >a point where more incidents occur and consquently more claims have to be paid out on, >then the cost of insurance will rise. If to many claims are made and paid on, then the >insurer may refuse to cover the Association. This frequently occurs in the motor >vecicle insurance area, especially with younger owners. > >The committee of management needs to condiser the above prior to making any changes to >the Safety Guidelines. > >Safety Guidelines > >At this stage no changes to the guidelines are being considered. As I indicated above >this is a Committee decision that will evolve from your club's communication with the >Committee member nearest you. > >The Constitution > >A revision of the NHMA Constitution, is being carried out by the committee of >management this year. The process is quite drawn out, but must be done this way >1. The present document has been mailed to all on the commitee, with some suggested >amendments >2. The committee now can offer amendments and make any alterations >3. A draft copy will then be compiled by the secretary and again mailed to the >committee >4. On agreement being reached the final draft will be mailed to all member clubs, again >for comment >5. The committee will consider any comments made and then recommend to the AGM that the >final draft consitution be adopted. > >When the member clubs are being advised a copy of the current constitution will also be >forwarded so that amendements can be easily identified > >Ken Bock >Secretary > >Points from Peter Huk presentation of Insurance to AGM at National > >A) The NHMA Safety Guidelines are not conditions of insurance. These should be looked >upon as the "risk managment policy" of the NHMA. However if the NHMA do not have these >Safety Guidelines, or a risk management policy in place, there is a possibility that >more incidents will occur and consequently more claims being made. Should this happen >and the insurer has more claims to pay out on, the cost of our insurance will increase, >with a real possibility that it would be not available. > >B) Volunteers who assist on a casual basis (e.g at rally serving food and drinks, >cleaning up etc) do not need member insurance. However their names need to be recorded >as volunteers in the club minutes prior to the event. A time sheet that records the >hours they would would also be a added safe guard for the club. > >C) Other policy types are available for the committe of management to consider. >Memberclubs need to be aware that additional cover only comes at a cost to the >nominated members. > >*** A slight rise in the cost of public liability insurance is anticiapted for 2005/06, >when setting their membership fees for this year, clubs should work on $9 per >member.*** > > _________End of Annual Report_______________ > > >I hope this is some use to you? > >Cheers, > Adam > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 18:15:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 01:15:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Flat Belt Lacing Tools In-Reply-To: <20050806.201644.852.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, That would probably be Grand Rapids, Michigan on the tag. See this web site, second one down: http://www.flexco.com/about/locations.cfm I had to go there a couple years ago to get some lacing material. They had LOTS of it in there. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: rdhaskell at juno.com > >Hi Alan. > The second says; Clipper Belt >Lacer, a patent number and Manufactured by Clipper Belt Lacer, >Grand........ cant read the rest. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sun Aug 7 18:35:07 2005 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 21:35:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: NHMA Annual Report References: <8145345.1123400269190.JavaMail.root@web04sl> Message-ID: <42F6B6CB.2040101@zoominternet.net> What does NHMA stand for? 'Scuse me for being stupid. Ed From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Aug 8 02:46:25 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 19:46:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Vintage Machinery - Clearing Sale - Aug 14th at Berrigan, NSW - read on if you care Message-ID: <42F729F1.9090603@steamengine.com.au> So forwarded... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Vintage Machinery - Clearing Sale Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:36:57 +0930 From: Jane Nixon To: Dear Paul, I am writing on behalf of John Dalton of Elders Real Estate in Finley in relation to an Auction and Clearing Sale to be held THIS SUNDAY August 14th at Berrigan, NSW. As there is a lot of Vintage Machinery for sale I thought you and the contacts on your data base might be interested to know that it is on. Is it possible for you to send out a group e-mail to those listed on your website telling them about the sale? If so, the details are: Date: THIS SUNDAY 14th August from 10am. Where: Berrigan NSW. For full details see last weeks Weekly Times (3rd August) or visit www.elders.com.au , go to Livestock and then Clearing Sales and it is under Victoria, or please feel free to contact John Dalton on 0407 549 703. I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Jane. ________________________ Jane Nixon Elders 214 Murray St. Finley NSW 2713 P: 03 5883 1400 F: 03 5883 1266 E: jane.nixon at elders.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 7/08/2005 -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.2/65 - Release Date: 7/08/2005 From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Mon Aug 8 03:34:20 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:34:20 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 Message-ID: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> Hi Jeff, Thanks for taking the time to write. Im not sure I quite understand your concern. Again please bear with me! Thanks for sharing. My feeling is you have a serious problem there, and it's not getting better. Arnie Fero brought it up some time ago, and to date there have been no answers. How many accidents/incidents have occurred that required payment on insurance? As far as I know there have not been any. (but thats my understanding... there was a tractor that rolled over a little girl a while back im not sure of the outcome of that anyone know?) Still no answer, but therates are going up. The rate has gone from $12 to $13... = $1 per member increase!!! Thats not bad!!! This includes public liability and personal accident The day that the short one can't go behind the rope, ride and steer a steam tractor, and ride the pulling sled will be the end for me. Hope it never gets up here. Best of luck getting some common sense back in your part of the world. The logic behind this is to reduce the risk of an accident occuring (basically so someone doesnt get hurt) and the need for payout or subquent legal actions.... to me this is common sense! Surly you have insurance yourself its the same thing!!! I would suspect you would have insurance on your house and car "just in case". If this is the case and you have your car insured please tell me how its different from the NHMA stuff???? Also reading my report you would have noticed that the NHMA Guidelines are exactly that GUIDELINES they ARE NOT terms of insurance (how many of your house and car policys give GUIDELINES!!! as aposed to TERMS!!) Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen the following would occur. 1. The policy would be totally with drawn 2. The policy as you mentioned would increase in cost 3. The terns of the policy would change It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. However the insurance company looks apon that as for lack of a better term "bad luck" and the pemium will not increase nor will the policy be withdrawn as the insurance company feels the NHMA is a "good risk" I hope this answers some questions for you, as always I am willing to answer to the best of my understanding either here of off list. Kind regards, Adam From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Mon Aug 8 03:59:50 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:59:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Panningen =?ISO-8859-1?B?oDIwMDUgaW1wcmVzc2lvbnMu?= Message-ID: <2495DB05.62F8290B.04B7CB00@aol.com> just doing my bit to run the arab oil wells dry -- Woody Peter Woodmore Moorebank NSW Australia peterwoodmore at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 8 05:01:40 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:01:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> Message-ID: <053001c59c10$f3c9ddf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I feel it necessary to again point out ,(And this is my main gripe in all of this), That due to the "Rules, Guidelines, whatever" We can no longer use our judgement to allow ' hands on' showing to the young, old or anyone that is not insured by the NHMA at a NHMA event. I thought the object of the showing part of our hobby WAS to 'show , instruct and educate those interested but ignorant in the workings of our equipment. Now surely, if we are able to get through a show without killing outselves, we should be able to be trusted showing a member of the viewing public details inside the enclosures. Will someone please tell me how many insurance claims have been made in Oz where a member of the public has been injured while in a compound nder the guidance of the owner/exhibitor? I really am interestd to know these figures and the details of such cases. Then we could surely come up with a set of 'Guidelines' that allowed us to show things as we used to.( when visitors WERE allowed in under the care of an exhibitor.) This shortsighted approach IS having the effect of keeping potential young people ,etc. from getting involved in the hobby. I know, you have heard it all before but, I still thinkchange is needed. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > Hi Jeff, > Thanks for taking the time to write. Im not sure I quite > understand your concern. Again please bear with me! From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Aug 8 05:43:38 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:43:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> <053001c59c10$f3c9ddf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <016601c59c16$ccf46730$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> You should have changed it years ago Reg. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > I feel it necessary to again point out ,(And this is my main gripe in all of > this), That due to the "Rules, Guidelines, whatever" We can no longer use > our judgement to allow ' hands on' showing to the young, old or anyone that > is not insured by the NHMA at a NHMA event. > I thought the object of the showing part of our hobby WAS to 'show , > instruct and educate those interested but ignorant in the workings of our > equipment. > Now surely, if we are able to get through a show without killing outselves, > we should be able to be trusted showing a member of the viewing public > details inside the enclosures. Will someone please tell me how many > insurance claims have been made in Oz where a member of the public has been > injured while in a compound nder the guidance of the owner/exhibitor? > I really am interestd to know these figures and the details of such cases. > Then we could surely come up with a set of 'Guidelines' that allowed us to > show things as we used to.( when visitors WERE allowed in under the care of > an exhibitor.) > This shortsighted approach IS having the effect of keeping potential young > people ,etc. from getting involved in the hobby. > I know, you have heard it all before but, I still thinkchange is needed. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Cottrill" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > > > > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks for taking the time to write. Im not sure I quite > > understand your concern. Again please bear with me! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Aug 8 05:47:41 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:47:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baby home again Message-ID: <20050808124733.DMNK5164.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It has been a few years now but I have hauled the big R&V home again. Ron and Liz pulled it out of its home on Sunday (as I slept in due to something I drank until 3am). I put some fuel in the R&V and it started first pull and ran like a clock which was pretty nice considering it had not been touched for 8 months. It does make the trailer bounce a bit when it fires. The Nissan finally got to do the job for which it was purchased, towing the big R&V. I now have all my R&Vs together for the first time, the 1hp, 2hp, 4hp and the 12hp :) Now all I have to do is get the 2hp and the 4hp running :( Now to give the big R&V a good clean up ready for a couple of rallies. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Aug 8 06:11:04 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:11:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baby home again References: 63930274 Message-ID: <001a01c59c1a$a24c7690$0301a8c0@Cam> Give her a good spit and Patrick. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Baby home again > It has been a few years now but I have hauled the big R&V home again. Ron > and Liz pulled it out of its home on Sunday (as I slept in due to > something > I drank until 3am). I put some fuel in the R&V and it started first pull > and > ran like a clock which was pretty nice considering it had not been touched > for 8 months. It does make the trailer bounce a bit when it fires. > The Nissan finally got to do the job for which it was purchased, towing > the > big R&V. > I now have all my R&Vs together for the first time, the 1hp, 2hp, 4hp and > the 12hp :) Now all I have to do is get the 2hp and the 4hp running :( > Now to give the big R&V a good clean up ready for a couple of rallies. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 08:32:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:32:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning tin and a Baker Monitor battery box question Message-ID: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> Guys, Getting to the final details on Devin's engine. This weekend I cleaned up the original battery box. This was the one remaining part I had not cleaned and it was a reminder of just how dirty this engine was at one time! After at least an hour of scraping crud off the bottom and cleaning it in the parts washer it looks pretty decent. The galvanized tin has a a very dark weathered look too it despite the fact that I hand wire brushed and ScotchBrite'd it. Do ya'll have any secrets for brightening galvanized metal? There is a spot that it looks like battery acid got on. The wire brush removed the rust but not for long. Is there something that works well on galvanized to prevent more rust? A coat of polyurethane? And finally I need to know what the top for a Baker Monitor battery box is supposed to look like. Is it plain tin? Also is there a wire that holds it on? Can anyone send a picture? What is the thickness of that tin? How far does it over lap the sides? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 8 08:51:01 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Cleaning tin and a Baker Monitor battery box question In-Reply-To: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> References: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, > Getting to the final details on Devin's engine. This weekend I cleaned > up the original battery box. This was the one remaining part I had not > cleaned and it was a reminder of just how dirty this engine was at one > time! After at least an hour of scraping crud off the bottom and > cleaning it in the parts washer it looks pretty decent. So are we talking Portland debut here? 8-))) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 09:28:12 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:28:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cleaning tin and a Baker Monitor battery box question In-Reply-To: References: <42F77B14.2040600@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F7881C.7040809@imc-group.com> Yes! It has been two years since Devin bought the engine. He's been incredibly patient as we have taken the time to do this thing right. Curt >Hi Curt, > > > >>Getting to the final details on Devin's engine. This weekend I cleaned >>up the original battery box. This was the one remaining part I had not >>cleaned and it was a reminder of just how dirty this engine was at one >>time! After at least an hour of scraping crud off the bottom and >>cleaning it in the parts washer it looks pretty decent. >> >> > >So are we talking Portland debut here? 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 10:18:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 13:18:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Jeff Allen, BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by a locomotive? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 8 11:05:26 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow See ya, Arnie On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > Jeff Allen, > BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html > > Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade > this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by > a locomotive? From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 8 11:31:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:31:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Goodness! I see the build date was 1883. Does it snow like this anyplace in the US anymore? NC sure doesn't get the snows I recall as a child anymore. Curt Arnie Fero wrote: >Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary >snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in >the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow > >See ya, Arnie > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 8 12:50:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Snow pics (OT) In-Reply-To: <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Yep, it still snows out west. http://www.micmacmedia.com/Weather/Sierra_Snowfall/sierra_snowfall.html The winters of 1982 and 1983 had snowfalls in the 700" to 800" range. The annual average (1878 - 2000) is 415" (34.6 feet!). The record snowfall was the winter of 1906 with 884 inches (73.7 feet). The reason that it seems that the snow isn't as deep as you recall as a child is that your knees are further from the ground now. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > Goodness! I see the build date was 1883. Does it snow like this anyplace > in the US anymore? NC sure doesn't get the snows I recall as a child > anymore. > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary > >snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in > >the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 13:08:40 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050808200840.86784.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as fuel. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: G'day all; Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to Keith's: http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and the required pressure/volume. Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. Appreciate any advise! RickinMt. PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Aug 8 13:43:42 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:43:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Snow pics (OT) References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com><42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001201c59c59$e1126a30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Lucky for him, now his tool stays dry :o) John H. > > The reason that it seems that the snow isn't as deep as you recall as a > child is that your knees are further from the ground now. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Aug 8 13:46:04 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!! In-Reply-To: <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> References: <42F03DDA.70002@earthlink.net><02cb01c5b03e$c4a11880$c2f0af40@D6R3D961><2795.165.206.180.102.1123090395.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <3032.165.206.180.102.1123533964.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Roger - you being a ham operator should begin to suspect sun spots...... can you also pull in radio from 50 years ago - or maybe receive transmissions from Captain Kirk? ------------------- Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! From: "Roger DiRuscio" Date: Tue, September 6, 2005 8:10 pm To: "The SEL email discussion list" Priority: Normal ------------------ Bill > I havent a clue how this happened > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > The Realty Experts > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of cool antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > Fremont,Ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > > >> Hi Bill, >> >> He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And >> since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who >> report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie >> >> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> >>> Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? >>> >>> Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >>> ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> > what club, what show, what website? >>> > I have not learned to read minds yet >>> > help! >>> > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Mon Aug 8 14:11:08 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:11:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ted Brookover Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7050DA59C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>I have found a young (32) man from our local club that is interested in becoming the next "Ignitor Man". His name is Don Miller, and lives in Independence Missouri, he comes to my shop a couple of days a week and we work on the jobs that have been stalled here for the past 18 months. We are getting some work out, but are not seeking any new orders at this time. I am pleased that I have someone to "pass on to" what I have picked up about magnetos and ignitors, it would be a shame if the knowledge was lost, and the hobby needs not to loose a source for ignitors. >>>Well, thanks again, all the best ! >>>Ted Brookover Not that any confirmation was needed, but this is a grand illustration of the kind of top-quality man Ted Brookover is. It takes a big guy - and not just in size - to look forward past himself to what needs to be done for the benefit of others to follow. Thanks, Ted. Bruce Yes, I'm late, but have had a lot of catching up to do - and Happy Birthday, too! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 8 14:57:04 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:57:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps><053001c59c10$f3c9ddf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <016601c59c16$ccf46730$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <056701c59c65$dcec49b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> No one tried harder than me Ron. That is why attempts were made to have me expelled from the Hunter club. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > You should have changed it years ago Reg. > > Ron From asouth at strato.net Mon Aug 8 19:00:22 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:00:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Land grab Message-ID: <01b101c59c86$1b13a470$0600a8c0@ARTHUR> (snip) "Thank you Dave, Leroy, and Brandi for all your work!! It is very much appreciated" I would like to hitch hike on that statement also. It's nice to have a central meeting place for the SEL. Thank you guys and gals who are close enough and have the time to homestead a plot for the SEL folks. Hope to see a whole bunch of you there. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 20:23:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:23:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> References: <19081796.1123497260135.JavaMail.root@web04ps> Message-ID: <42F821A3.9030100@earthlink.net> Hi Adam, snip> >Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen the following would occur. > >1. The policy would be totally with drawn >2. The policy as you mentioned would increase in cost >3. The terns of the policy would change > >It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. > The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with supervision and training. Hell, some of them probably run the damn tractor for real on the farm. They respect the equipment and have been trained to be safe around it. More often than not the adults get stupid on a farm and get hurt. I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. Don't fence me in!! Kind Regards, Jeff Allen P.S. Think more like Reg. From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Aug 8 20:40:13 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 22:40:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Snow pics (OT) In-Reply-To: References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> <42F7A51C.8050605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42F8259D.2070600@fidnet.com> Curt, it still snows in northern Michigan. I think our average for Gaylord, MI was something between 180" to 220" per year. On weekend in 1998 or 1999 or so, Sault Ste. Marie, Mi got five feet of snow one weekend. The side walks were canyons. Gary Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Curt, > > Yep, it still snows out west. > > http://www.micmacmedia.com/Weather/Sierra_Snowfall/sierra_snowfall.html > The winters of 1982 and 1983 had snowfalls in the 700" to 800" range. > The annual average (1878 - 2000) is 415" (34.6 feet!). > The record snowfall was the winter of 1906 with 884 inches (73.7 feet). > > The reason that it seems that the snow isn't as deep as you recall as a > child is that your knees are further from the ground now. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > > >>Goodness! I see the build date was 1883. Does it snow like this anyplace >>in the US anymore? NC sure doesn't get the snows I recall as a child >>anymore. >> >>Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>>Pshaw Curt, that ain't big. For BIG you want the steam-powered rotary >>>snowplows designed to clear the rail lines through the mountain passes in >>>the Rockies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_snowplow > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:00:43 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:00:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <42F821A3.9030100@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Gidday all, i agree entirely something has to be done about these so called guide lines[RULES] as in the last 12 years that i have been involved in this hobbie[obsession] the atmosphere at every rally i attend is no where near what it was when i first started.I have only heard of a couple of small claims made against the insurance body in this country. Dave in oz >From: Jeff Allen >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:23:15 -0600 > >Hi Adam, > >snip> > >>Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out >>fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen >>the following would occur. >> >>1. The policy would be totally with drawn 2. The policy as you mentioned >>would increase in cost 3. The terns of the policy would change >> >>It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following >>the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. >> >The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young >teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with >supervision and training. Hell, some of them probably run the damn tractor >for real on the farm. They respect the equipment and have been trained to >be safe around it. More often than not the adults get stupid on a farm and >get hurt. > >I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's >insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. >They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee >or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and >that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people >friendly should be the goal. > >Don't fence me in!! > >Kind Regards, >Jeff Allen > >P.S. Think more like Reg. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Aug 8 22:46:44 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:46:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 References: Message-ID: <025901c59ca5$b9c74b70$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thats interesting Dave. I have been around the shows for about 13 years and I find that the only time there is a problem with atmosphere depends on the the company. Never had any problems with the guidelines. And I will repeat it until I am blue in the face - if you are unhappy get elected to the board of the NHMA and bring about what changes you would like. Nothing will ever happen while people sit on the fence. I did and was happy with what I achieved. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Nicolson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > Gidday all, i agree entirely something has to be done about these so called > guide lines[RULES] as in the last 12 years that i have been involved in this > hobbie[obsession] the atmosphere at every rally i attend is no where near > what it was when i first started.I have only heard of a couple of small > claims made against the insurance body in this country. Dave in oz > > >From: Jeff Allen > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 8 > >Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:23:15 -0600 > > > >Hi Adam, > > > >snip> > > > >>Simply put the Policy is a Risk Managment policy yes you can run with out > >>fences and drive trators all over the place... but if something did happen > >>the following would occur. > >> > >>1. The policy would be totally with drawn 2. The policy as you mentioned > >>would increase in cost 3. The terns of the policy would change > >> > >>It is possible that the same would happen if an accident occured following > >>the guidelines to the letter, no one is denying that. > >> > >The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young > >teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with > >supervision and training. Hell, some of them probably run the damn tractor > >for real on the farm. They respect the equipment and have been trained to > >be safe around it. More often than not the adults get stupid on a farm and > >get hurt. > > > >I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's > >insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. > >They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee > >or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and > >that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people > >friendly should be the goal. > > > >Don't fence me in!! > > > >Kind Regards, > >Jeff Allen > > > >P.S. Think more like Reg. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > REALESTATE: biggest buy/rent/share listings > http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 9 02:36:15 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:36:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X Message-ID: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I dont want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. Got to know fast though Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Aug 9 03:12:16 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:12:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Pity no photo Reg. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [SEL] Southern X > I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. > Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I dont > want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. > I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. > Got to know fast though > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Aug 9 05:10:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:10:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I will only make the trip back there once.- If anyone wants it. I dont have the time to go on a photo shoot. It looks around the thirties to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern X > Pity no photo Reg. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM > Subject: [SEL] Southern X > > >> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. >> Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I > dont >> want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. >> I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. >> Got to know fast though >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 9 05:55:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 06:55:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050808200840.86784.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small > vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on > a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust > the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as > fuel. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to > Keith's: > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg > > The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How > much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my > 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and > the > required pressure/volume. > > Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. > > Appreciate any advise! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Aug 9 06:07:33 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:07:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shuttle Message-ID: <037201c59ce3$4ee559d0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Hi to those in the US. Just watched the shuttle Discovery return. Terrific to watch and brought many fond memories for myself and family. In May 1985 we were fortunate enough to watch the Challeger land at Edwards. A once in a lifetime experience we'll never forget. Ron From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 9 06:15:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:15:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I would imagine the one you showed was pushed. The tank was probably used for weight/ballast. It does seem to me tho that I've seen them on the front of locomotives. http://www.trainweb.org/dcstation/UP/UP900016.html http://image04.webshots.com/4/6/70/56/70067056gBXOUp_fs.jpg and some models: http://www.aristocraft.com/database/?series=46700 later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > Jeff Allen, > BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html > > Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade > this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by > a locomotive? > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 9 06:24:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:24:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Here's some purdy kewl ones: http://www.kancoll.org/graphics/cora/snowplow.htm http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx236.shtml and two rotary plows: http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-1.shtml http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-3.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > Jeff Allen, > BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html > > Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade > this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by > a locomotive? > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 9 07:32:17 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:32:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200508090932498.SM02420@wrbpc> There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? Thanks! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 07:42:34 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:42:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050808200840.86784.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006801c59cf0$955fe120$94c8f504@x8h7l9> I used some 15 and 20 lb regulators for over sized burners for a big lobster pot. They put out quite a roar. I can't find the paper work but they are out of Macon GA. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > > Take Care, > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > > > > Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small > > vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on > > a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust > > the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as > > fuel. > > Ron > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > G'day all; > > Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to > > Keith's: > > > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg > > > > The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How > > much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my > > 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and > > the > > required pressure/volume. > > > > Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. > > > > Appreciate any advise! > > > > RickinMt. > > > > PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 9 08:16:36 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:16:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September Message-ID: <080920051516.28625.42F8C8D4000446E300006FD121979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Bill, Contact Peter Lowe, he was the one posting a request on an R&V upright engine. Curt > > There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in > September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. > Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > > Thanks! > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 08:37:10 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rick, I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Hi Rick.m I built a small furnace for casting aluminum and I used a small > vacuum cleaner as air supply. It is one of those that you carry around on > a strap over your shoulder. But I added a 1" ball valve so I could adjust > the air flow. Propane, Your on a different page than I. I use charcoal as > fuel. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > G'day all; > Well I would up with a small kiln the other day....very similiar to > Keith's: > > http://www.herculesengines.com/Foundry/Foundry%20Images/2002_0619_185133AA.jpg > > The only piping coming out goes into a "T" fitting. Question is, How > much air and propane does one use? i.e. pressures. I'll be drawing off my > 500 gallon propane tank once I know what flavor of regulator to use and > the > required pressure/volume. > > Thinking of using a heat gun for air...possibly too small of volume. > > Appreciate any advise! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Will start with AL and hopefully graduate to brass. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 9 08:41:22 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:41:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <080920051516.28625.42F8C8D4000446E300006FD121979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200508091041885.SM02420@wrbpc> Thanks, Curt. Actually, I have a separate e-mail out to him as well. I thought maybe his request was for an earlier sale, but you kind of confirm this was the right one. Post us some pictures of those springs when you get it figured out! B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of cgandree at mchsi.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September Bill, Contact Peter Lowe, he was the one posting a request on an R&V upright engine. Curt > > There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa > in September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. > Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > > Thanks! > > B? > > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 9 09:16:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rick, If you want something "more adjustable" for your propane tank than a BBQ regulator, try your acetylene regulator. That's what I use for the propane tank that feeds the hot tube burner on my 10 hp Bessemer half-breed. Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > Rick, > I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink > can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it > shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. > Ron > Richard Strobel wrote: > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > RickinMt. From driggars at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 10:14:38 2005 From: driggars at earthlink.net (Clint D) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:14:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> I agree with Arnie, also there are adjustable propane regulators you can get. Th eregular BBQ grill regulators are no good for a fiurnace or kiln, they just do not allow enough pressure Clint > Rick, > > If you want something "more adjustable" for your propane tank than a > BBQ regulator, try your acetylene regulator. That's what I use for the > propane tank that feeds the hot tube burner on my 10 hp Bessemer > half-breed. > > Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > > > Rick, > > I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink > > can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it > > shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. > > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with the > > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane regulator > > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to use a > > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Aug 9 10:59:36 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:59:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <200508090932498.SM02420@wrbpc> References: <6f60251605071704101cb5f30f@mail.gmail.com> <200508090932498.SM02420@wrbpc> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050809105504.0263f138@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Bill......... This is probably the one you are looking for. Info was posted on Jim's list in July. >Hi all >Is anyone going to this auction >http://www.nixonauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html >Hampton, Iowa, September 17, 2005 > >If so could you please find out who buys the R&V Easy Cooler engine >#BS7208 and pass on their details to me. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >International R&V Registrar >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm At 07:32 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: > >There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in >September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. >Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > >Thanks! > >B? > >Bill Brueck (brick) >Chatfield, MN, USA > >Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From b2 at chooka.net Tue Aug 9 12:09:10 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:09:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050809105504.0263f138@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200508091409236.SM02420@wrbpc> Just what I was looking for, thanks! I'll see if I can ID the buyer for Peter. If my ship comes in before then, maybe I'll buy it...fat chance, LOL. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Larry Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] North Centra Iowa, USA Auction in September Bill......... This is probably the one you are looking for. Info was posted on Jim's list in July. >Hi all >Is anyone going to this auction >http://www.nix >onauctioneers.com/listings/jorgensen.html >Hampton, Iowa, September 17, 2005 > >If so could you please find out who buys the R&V Easy Cooler engine >#BS7208 and pass on their details to me. > >Regards >Peter Lowe >International R&V Registrar >http://ww >w.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rvpage.htm >http://www.oldengine.org/members/plowe/rv-engines/rv-register.htm At 07:32 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: > >There was a post a while back about a good auction in N Central Iowa in >September. Might have been in the context of an R&V on the sale bill. >Anybody got the link to the sale bill yet? > >Thanks! > >B? > >Bill Brueck (brick) >Chatfield, MN, USA > >Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 9 12:43:45 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050809194345.75679.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Here is a steam powered snow blower...photos taken last year at the Illinois Railroad Museum in Union during their Transportation Meet. Second photo is the writeup on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/snow/steamsnow1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/snow/steamsnow2.jpg Steve From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Aug 9 14:02:39 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:02:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK Message-ID: <19d.3981c103.302a73ef@aol.com> Here is what appears to be a nice set of bearing scrapers located in the UK http://cgi.ebay.com/old-scraping-chizel-tools_W0QQitemZ4397708801QQcategoryZ20 761QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 14:37:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:37:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK In-Reply-To: <19d.3981c103.302a73ef@aol.com> References: <19d.3981c103.302a73ef@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508091437688ced13@mail.gmail.com> On 8/9/05, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Here is what appears to be a nice set of bearing scrapers located in the UK > > http://cgi.ebay.com/old-scraping-chizel-tools_W0QQitemZ4397708801QQcategoryZ20 > 761QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Tom Schmutz Not too far away from us either.... :-)) Thanks, Tom, I do have a set of new Millers Falls Tools scrapers, but these would be a nice addition if I can get them. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Aug 9 15:15:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:15:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK Message-ID: <84.4b32efd4.302a850c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2005 5:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << I do have a set of new Millers Falls Tools scrapers, but these would be a nice addition if I can >> Hi Peter, I have a new set of Miller Falls too. I just happened upon the ones I posted and thought they might attract some of you folks over there. Too far away for me to bid, but would be a nice addition. Good luck! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Tue Aug 9 17:23:52 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:23:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00a001c59d41$c9cb34e0$546ea618@pengy> The Southern Pacific Railroad had some rotary plows based in Roseville, California at the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains. Their line through Donner Pass was a real battle to keep open. After the wedge plows became ineffective due to the buildup of snow the SP would assemble a "super set" of two rotary plows. They would leave Roseville with one rotary on the point, an F7B power car, three or four six axle locomotives, another F7B and the other rotary facing backwards. With all that power and with the second rotary there wasn't much that this train couldn't plow through! The rotaries that SP had were heavily rebuilt steam plows built between 1890 and 1910. They now had four DC traction motors driving the blade with the power being supplied by the F7B. So each rotary had about 1,500 HP at the blades and between 9,000 and 12,000 HP to push into the snow. When you saw this lashup leaving the yards you knew there was hell to pay up on the mountain! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > Here's some purdy kewl ones: > > http://www.kancoll.org/graphics/cora/snowplow.htm > > http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx236.shtml > > and two rotary plows: > > http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-1.shtml > > http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/photos/southernpacific/spx1346-3.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics > > >> Jeff Allen, >> BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html >> >> Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade >> this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by >> a locomotive? >> >> Curt Holland >> Gastonia, NC >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 9 18:11:27 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:11:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show pics In-Reply-To: <00a001c59d41$c9cb34e0$546ea618@pengy> References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> <00a001c59d41$c9cb34e0$546ea618@pengy> Message-ID: I've seen pictures of that monster in action! John On Aug 9, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Rick Rowlands wrote: > The Southern Pacific Railroad had some rotary plows based in > Roseville, California at the base of the Sierra Nevada mountains. > Their line through Donner Pass was a real battle to keep open. After > the wedge plows became ineffective due to the buildup of snow the SP > would assemble a "super set" of two rotary plows. They would leave > Roseville with one rotary on the point, an F7B power car, three or > four six axle locomotives, another F7B and the other rotary facing > backwards. With all that power and with the second rotary there > wasn't much that this train couldn't plow through! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 10 01:16:19 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:16:19 Subject: [SEL] Show pics from South Africa Message-ID: <200508100119390.SM01956@new> Hi All We had a show last week at Koos Kriels home last weekend. Pics and writeup at Follow the link on the first page. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Tue Aug 9 22:43:57 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:43:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts Message-ID: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> Hi Jeff, thanks again for taking the time to write. I am the first to admit the guidelines are perfect but I think you miss my point........ unfortunately we need insurance "Just in case" this is not limited to engine rallys or shows it also applys to cars and house and I said previously and to get these policys we need to do certain things. "The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always with supervision and training." This is fantastic!! but would it be fair to say that because of the "supervision and training" the 52nd annual show has had a good safety record....... Now this is where it gets sticky and im my opinion worse than the NHMA Guidelines now you have to find a "competant person" to not only train but operate the equipment and I would suspect there would be guidelines pray tell how these are different in context to the NHMA guidelines. In effect a risk management policy!!! I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. Again this is fantastic, I would love to do this at our rally, but how do we stop "oppertunists" those that "Sue" for a skinned knee or two from financially breaking our hobby??? Don't fence me in!!......... I think you are more fenced in than you know And Reg we have spoken on this many times and forged a good realationship and a huge amount of respect and friendship from it, and you recall I agreed with your thoughts on how it should be. And as I think I suggested to you the reasons for what you mentioned happened in your the club, they where "personal" and not the NHMA ringing up and saying "Reg Ingold is a idiot can him" (not that they would or could do this anyway) sadly the NHMA was used as a lever, means or motivation to achieve someone elses personal goal..... to have you removed from the club. And this comes back to what one of the other guys said about the personalitys of others!!! Kind Regards, Adam From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 9 23:05:22 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:05:22 -0700 Subject: [SEL] URL for your browsing pleasure Message-ID: <200508100605.j7A65Xxo007009@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hiya kids, Here's something I whipped up this evening. The pictures are old, but the info is from a couple of obscure and diverse sources. Nothing in depth... more like "sound bytes" to satisfy your engine urge. http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From chesnimnus at juno.com Tue Aug 9 23:42:34 2005 From: chesnimnus at juno.com (Colin M Rush) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:42:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New Tractor Forum for IH owners Message-ID: <20050809.234246.3824.0.chesnimnus@juno.com> I have not seen any notice about it, so I felt I would let folks know: There is a new forum for folks with International Harvester and McCormick tractors, power units, stationary engines, and implements, including their related brands like Case, Champion, and so on. It is the Tractor Talk forum on the Binder Bulletin. Those that are into the IH trucks (ranging from Scouts to onroad trucks) will recognize the Binder Bulletin as one of the oldest and best IH websites around. Somebody realized that the tractor folks had been seriously overlooked, so they added a section just for them. Visit it here: http://www.binderbulletin.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69 The Tractor Talk forum is better than many of the lists that are out there for one main reason: you can post photos, and get realtime response from your questions, in color and a typesize you can read. Most of the lists I belong to have either a daily digest (which I get only once a day), or individual posts (which I do not opt for because it clogs up my e-mail). The BB lets you choose which topics to subscribe to, and then you can receive notice of any updated posts. And there are Classifieds, Auction notices, and FreeCycle forums, as well as forums for upcoming events. Vendors can also post in thier own forum with their products or services if they wish. IHCC Chapter 30 has latched onto this forum pretty quickly, but I have not seen many other folks on there, so I wanted to let you all know. The Binder Bulletin is one of my favorite sites due to my truck fetish, but I have been bitten by the tractor and engine bug too in the last few years, and feel that this forum is one of the best ways to learn about IHC. Enjoy! -Colin Rush From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:12:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:12:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] bearing scrapers-UK In-Reply-To: <84.4b32efd4.302a850c@aol.com> References: <84.4b32efd4.302a850c@aol.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050810001243dcae0c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/9/05, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/2005 5:44:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: > > << I do have a set of new Millers Falls Tools scrapers, but > these would be a nice addition if I can >> > > > Hi Peter, > > I have a new set of Miller Falls too. I just happened upon the ones I posted > and thought they might attract some of you folks over there. Too far away > for me to bid, but would be a nice addition. Good luck! > > Tom Schmutz I'll let you know what happens....:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 10 00:09:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:09:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> Message-ID: <016901c59d7b$08d17490$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ok Adam. Lets come to the bottom line. As an exhibitor, am I, or am I not, a capable person? If I am, allow me the right to show my stuff as I choose. This includes allowing people in the engine area under my 'control' If I am not, then kick me off the site. Insurance doesnt come in to it. I still want to see the number of claims for the public in the compounds under the guidance of exhibitors. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts > Hi Jeff, > thanks again for taking the time to write. I am the first to > admit the guidelines are perfect but I think you miss my point........ > unfortunately we need insurance "Just in case" this is not limited to > engine rallys or shows it also applys to cars and house and I said > previously and to get these policys we need to do certain things. > > "The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. > Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always > with supervision and training." > > This is fantastic!! but would it be fair to say that because of the > "supervision and training" the 52nd annual show has had a good safety > record....... Now this is where it gets sticky and im my opinion worse > than the NHMA Guidelines now you have to find a "competant person" to not > only train but operate the equipment and I would suspect there would be > guidelines pray tell how these are different in context to the NHMA > guidelines. In effect a risk management policy!!! > > > I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. > It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the > children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a > skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we > finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid > friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. > > Again this is fantastic, I would love to do this at our rally, but how do > we stop "oppertunists" those that "Sue" for a skinned knee or two from > financially breaking our hobby??? > > Don't fence me in!!......... I think you are more fenced in than you know > > And Reg we have spoken on this many times and forged a good realationship > and a huge amount of respect and friendship from it, and you recall I > agreed with your thoughts on how it should be. And as I think I suggested > to you the reasons for what you mentioned happened in your the club, they > where "personal" and not the NHMA ringing up and saying "Reg Ingold is a > idiot can him" (not that they would or could do this anyway) sadly the > NHMA was used as a lever, means or motivation to achieve someone elses > personal goal..... to have you removed from the club. > > And this comes back to what one of the other guys said about the > personalitys of others!!! > > Kind Regards, > Adam > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Aug 10 01:28:33 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:28:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> <016901c59d7b$08d17490$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <009001c59d85$81167130$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> If the people are under your control then I would not expect an accident let alone a claim. As you say you are a capable man. And therefore would be responsible enough to ensure nothing happened and care for your equipment at same time. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts > Ok Adam. Lets come to the bottom line. > As an exhibitor, am I, or am I not, a capable person? > If I am, allow me the right to show my stuff as I choose. This includes > allowing people in the engine area under my 'control' > If I am not, then kick me off the site. > Insurance doesnt come in to it. > I still want to see the number of claims for the public in the compounds > under the guidance of exhibitors. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adam Cottrill" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:43 PM > Subject: [SEL] NHMA stuff my thoughts > > > > Hi Jeff, > > thanks again for taking the time to write. I am the first to > > admit the guidelines are perfect but I think you miss my point........ > > unfortunately we need insurance "Just in case" this is not limited to > > engine rallys or shows it also applys to cars and house and I said > > previously and to get these policys we need to do certain things. > > > > "The show was the 52nd annual show and they have a good safety record. > > Young teens drive in the tractor pull and the tractor parade. Always > > with supervision and training." > > > > This is fantastic!! but would it be fair to say that because of the > > "supervision and training" the 52nd annual show has had a good safety > > record....... Now this is where it gets sticky and im my opinion worse > > than the NHMA Guidelines now you have to find a "competant person" to not > > only train but operate the equipment and I would suspect there would be > > guidelines pray tell how these are different in context to the NHMA > > guidelines. In effect a risk management policy!!! > > > > > > I have kept cattle in lesser fencing than you have for an engine show. > > It's insane. I watched the tug of war with the steam tractor and the > > children. They lost three times and all fell down. No harm except for a > > skinned knee or two. Right back up to give it another go. "Papa, we > > finally won" and that's what it's all about. Family friendly, kid > > friendly, and people friendly should be the goal. > > > > Again this is fantastic, I would love to do this at our rally, but how do > > we stop "oppertunists" those that "Sue" for a skinned knee or two from > > financially breaking our hobby??? > > > > Don't fence me in!!......... I think you are more fenced in than you know > > > > And Reg we have spoken on this many times and forged a good realationship > > and a huge amount of respect and friendship from it, and you recall I > > agreed with your thoughts on how it should be. And as I think I suggested > > to you the reasons for what you mentioned happened in your the club, they > > where "personal" and not the NHMA ringing up and saying "Reg Ingold is a > > idiot can him" (not that they would or could do this anyway) sadly the > > NHMA was used as a lever, means or motivation to achieve someone elses > > personal goal..... to have you removed from the club. > > > > And this comes back to what one of the other guys said about the > > personalitys of others!!! > > > > Kind Regards, > > Adam > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 10 05:13:11 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:13:11 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 Message-ID: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Attended the Tilligte Oldtimer Day this weekend, came in at the camping Friday afternoon in the rain, but seeing old friends there again and a few beers made my day good. It's only one day on the Sunday and my goodness what do this club volonteers alot of work to get the show going, my hats off. Sunday was a good sunny day with only a few little showers, there was plenty to see at all fronts, many visitors and great displays everywhere. Pictures I took can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/tilligte2005.htm Enjoy the European style, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 10 07:04:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:04:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> Message-ID: Appreciate all the responses guys. Arn will the acetylene regulator screw into a propane tank or are some adapters required? One of Keith's problems was that the regulator was freezing up with the large volume...one of the reasons I was going to tap off the 500 gallon shop tank. Think I'll give the propane plant a call and see what they can do for me. Thanks again guys RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint D" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > > I agree with Arnie, also there are adjustable propane regulators you can > get. Th > eregular BBQ grill regulators are no good for a fiurnace or kiln, they > just do not > allow enough pressure > > Clint > > > > > Rick, > > > > If you want something "more adjustable" for your propane tank than a > > BBQ regulator, try your acetylene regulator. That's what I use for the > > propane tank that feeds the hot tube burner on my 10 hp Bessemer > > half-breed. > > > > Hope that helps. See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Ron Frost, Kersey, PA wrote: > > > > > Rick, > > > I'd be tempted to try the bbq regulator. they are cheap and I trhink > > > can be adjusted somewhat. Even if you had to change a spring out it > > > shouldn't be too bad. Keep us informed and be CAREFUL AND PLAY SAFELY. > > > Ron > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Thanks for the comeback Ron. Guess I'll have to experiment around with > > > the > > > propane. Seems I've heard that a kiln needs a different propane > > > regulator > > > than the normal barbecue one. As far as the air goes, I was going to > > > use a > > > heat gun as I can adjust the cfm somewhat on it. > > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 10 07:24:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln In-Reply-To: References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> Message-ID: Yep. Same left hand fitting. On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > Appreciate all the responses guys. Arn will the acetylene regulator screw > into a propane tank or are some adapters required? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 10 07:39:50 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:39:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Firing a Kiln References: <20050809153710.67857.qmail@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com><01b601c59d05$d362ec00$99478304@clinton> Message-ID: Kewl..this has definite possiblities then Thanx Arn Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Firing a Kiln > Yep. Same left hand fitting. > > On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Appreciate all the responses guys. Arn will the acetylene regulator > > screw > > into a propane tank or are some adapters required? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Aug 10 07:56:35 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:56:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show pics References: <42F6A5F1.6000506@earthlink.net> <42F793EC.3070504@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005c01c59dbb$b56e5840$2d486e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Curt, It is called a bucking plow and is pushed by a locomotive. In the late 1800's this type of plow was sometimes pushed by as many as 8 locomotives. The method was to push wide open but if the engines stalled then they backed off half a mile or so and rammed into the snow at full speed. This was a pretty dangerous thing to do, there was a good possibility of derailing and on occasion rammed the cab full of snow. The tank on the rear is probably a big block of cement or maybe full of scrap iron. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Show pics Jeff Allen, BIG snow plow??? http://frapa.us/Limon05/LM007.html Living in an area where 1" of snow is a big snow, having need of a blade this big is incomprehendable! Is this thing self propelled? Or pushed by a locomotive? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Aug 10 10:24:02 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:24:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 In-Reply-To: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42FA3832.1030302@imc-group.com> John, The photos of the beautiful Benz are spectacular. If I am remembering Greyson's engine book correctly Otto had been in the employment of Benz several times by this point. The slide valve on the engine sure makes one think of Otto.... A couple of questions for you about the engine: -Is that high tension ignition (sparkplug) on the top of the cylinder? -Is the camshaft speed 1/4 that of the crankshaft speed? -Are there two lobes on the camshaft to make the engine run as a 4 cycle instead of an 8 cycle? -Is anyone making a model casting kit of this engine? This would be a fun one to build. Thanks for sharing. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, & 16 John Hammink wrote: >Attended the Tilligte Oldtimer Day this weekend, came in at the camping >Friday afternoon in the rain, but seeing old friends there again and a few >beers made my day good. >It's only one day on the Sunday and my goodness what do this club volonteers >alot of work to get the show going, my hats off. >Sunday was a good sunny day with only a few little showers, there was plenty >to see at all fronts, many visitors and great displays everywhere. >Pictures I took can be seen at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/tilligte2005.htm > >Enjoy the European style, > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 10 12:10:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:10:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 References: <001501c59da4$e4d8ad90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42FA3832.1030302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000f01c59ddf$39f87820$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, The sparkplug is on top of the engine ( it's a big one ). This is high tension like the original, the battery is in the little wooden box. He said it's a "Summer" ignition. The slide valve goes automatically by the rod on the cam, so it turns half the crankshaft. The other rod underneath is for the exhaust valve and works on demand of the arm that runs over the lob of the cam. At this Url you can see the timing device: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/igntimer.jpg Don't know of any casting kit, would be great to have one I thought. Hope it answers your Q's. John H. > John, > The photos of the beautiful Benz are spectacular. If I am remembering > Greyson's engine book correctly Otto had been in the employment of Benz > several times by this point. The slide valve on the engine sure makes > one think of Otto.... > A couple of questions for you about the engine: > -Is that high tension ignition (sparkplug) on the top of the cylinder? > -Is the camshaft speed 1/4 that of the crankshaft speed? > -Are there two lobes on the camshaft to make the engine run as a 4 cycle > instead of an 8 cycle? > -Is anyone making a model casting kit of this engine? This would be a > fun one to build. > Thanks for sharing. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Cotton Ginning Days Oct 14, 15, & 16 > > John Hammink wrote: > > >Attended the Tilligte Oldtimer Day this weekend, came in at the camping > >Friday afternoon in the rain, but seeing old friends there again and a few > >beers made my day good. > >It's only one day on the Sunday and my goodness what do this club volonteers > >alot of work to get the show going, my hats off. > >Sunday was a good sunny day with only a few little showers, there was plenty > >to see at all fronts, many visitors and great displays everywhere. > >Pictures I took can be seen at: > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/tilligte2005.htm > > > >Enjoy the European style, > > > >John Hammink > >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 10 14:09:52 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:09:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tilligte 2005 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:29:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jg.hammink at quicknet.nl writes: << Enjoy the European style, >> Hi John, Thanks for the nice pictures of the show to look at. Nice grinding mill which I assume has stone burrs in it and grinds corn meal/flour Can't say I have ever seen one with the wood made round and the stones vertical. The ones here are made like square boxes. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 10 14:17:17 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:17:17 EDT Subject: [SEL] Show pics from South Africa Message-ID: <59.2d58b09b.302bc8dd@aol.com> In a message dated 8/9/2005 11:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: << We had a show last week at Koos Kriels home last weekend >> Hi Jerry, Thanks for sharing the show engine pictures, many of which I am not familiar with. I am sure your daughter was very proud of the work put into her engine which is a beauty. The Stuart engine is sure nice too! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Aug 10 17:12:27 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:12:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <20050810.171228.1592.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> I got the wheels under the cart today. Pictures at: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72498684 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30768854&p=72498685 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From ihcboggs at jayco.net Wed Aug 10 17:22:24 2005 From: ihcboggs at jayco.net (DeWayne Boggs) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Low Tension International M Engines Message-ID: <001e01c59e0b$ee14b310$615328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> I would like to know how you adjust the points or set the points close on the ignitor so you don't have to use a battery to start it. Any answers? Mags are all hot-nothing wrong with them. The point gap is too wide. Thanks DeWayne From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 17:56:48 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:56:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NHMA and final comments/questions In-Reply-To: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> Message-ID: <42FAA250.3080401@earthlink.net> Hi Adam, I think you and your mates will have to sort this out. I do think you have a problem in OZ. That is my opinion. I have spent the last six months battling the board of my club with some success. I need to get back to that issue now that I have offered you my opinions. I truly believe that visitors of all ages should be allowed behind the fence under supervision of an engine owner. I am not alone in that thought, but several, including some board members of my club, disagree. That is my battle and I will continue the fight. I have only been to a few engine shows as I am new to the hobby. I know there are many that take their families to shows in the U.S. Check in if you like and tell me how it works where you go. Are the kids behind the ropes? Can they run their own engines with supervision? I really would like some input before next weeks meeting on this issue. In closing, feel free to contact me off list Adam. I think most on the list are tired of this, but I'll be more than happy to continue a dialog off list. Regards, Jeff Allen From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 10 18:16:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:16:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Low Tension International M Engines References: <001e01c59e0b$ee14b310$615328cf@dewayne1ugjafa> Message-ID: <002001c59e12$51a90b00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> DeWayne, If you have an original ignitor with no weare out parts and it's in good working order and new springs the cap will always be the same. In this situation the cap has nothing to do with a good spark, because the points are always open for this type ignitor. The importend point is the moment that the hammer snaps and the ignition points open, at that moment you need the most and best voltage of your magneto. When this happen, the notch on the armature has to be in line with the notches on the armature bushing. Some "L" or "R" magnetos need a certain speed to give enough volts, it depends on their general quality. Timing and settings for this magneto can be found on my web site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web/timingsettingsM.htm Hope it's of any help for ya, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I would like to know how you adjust the points or set the points close on the ignitor so you don't have to use a battery to start it. Any answers? Mags are all hot-nothing wrong with them. The point gap is too wide. Thanks DeWayne From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 10 19:40:43 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:40:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <20050810.225436.632.6.jlb94@juno.com> Very nice job on the cart, Ron. Excellent work . Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Wed Aug 10 20:32:58 2005 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:32:58 EDT Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: Good job Ron. Do we get more pics on completion? Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Aug 10 20:37:29 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:37:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA and final comments/questions References: <20807191.1123652637241.JavaMail.root@web09sl> <42FAA250.3080401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001b01c59e26$0013f160$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Jeff I can also be contacted off list. I think there are some points that need to be clarified. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] NHMA and final comments/questions > Hi Adam, > > I think you and your mates will have to sort this out. I do think you > have a problem in OZ. That is my opinion. > > I have spent the last six months battling the board of my club with some > success. I need to get back to that issue now that I have offered you my > opinions. I truly believe that visitors of all ages should be allowed > behind the fence under supervision of an engine owner. I am not alone in > that thought, but several, including some board members of my club, > disagree. That is my battle and I will continue the fight. > > I have only been to a few engine shows as I am new to the hobby. I know > there are many that take their families to shows in the U.S. Check in if > you like and tell me how it works where you go. Are the kids behind the > ropes? Can they run their own engines with supervision? I really would > like some input before next weeks meeting on this issue. > > In closing, feel free to contact me off list Adam. I think most on the > list are tired of this, but I'll be more than happy to continue a dialog > off list. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 11 02:45:31 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:45:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X In-Reply-To: <006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42FB1E3B.7070905@steamengine.com.au> Go to Google, put in Southern Cross Engine into Image Search and tell us the URL of which one it looks like. Paul R & M Ingold wrote: > I will only make the trip back there once.- If anyone wants it. I dont > have the time to go on a photo shoot. > It looks around the thirties to me. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern X > > >> Pity no photo Reg. >> >> Ron >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R & M Ingold" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Southern X >> >> >>> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. >>> Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I >> >> dont >> >>> want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. >>> I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. >>> Got to know fast though >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Aug 11 03:56:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:56:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern X References: <004201c59cc5$cc5e0010$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <032301c59cca$d2205bb0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq><006c01c59cdb$5f12b6c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42FB1E3B.7070905@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <01cb01c59e63$4cb2bbe0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> It is a 2to3 hp AXC air cooled. I have passed on the info to the editor of our club mag. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: [SPAM]: Re: [SEL] Southern X > Go to Google, put in Southern Cross Engine into Image Search and tell us > the URL of which one it looks like. > > Paul > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> I will only make the trip back there once.- If anyone wants it. I dont >> have the time to go on a photo shoot. >> It looks around the thirties to me. >> >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Southern X >> >> >>> Pity no photo Reg. >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "R & M Ingold" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 7:36 PM >>> Subject: [SEL] Southern X >>> >>> >>>> I am on to a Southern X air cooled, cast cowl, about 2 to 3 hp. No mag. >>>> Price $75(This is its scrap price) no mag but all the rest is there. I >>> >>> dont >>> >>>> want it but it will be gone for scrap by Friday. >>>> I am prepared to collect it if anyone wants to collect it from my home. >>>> Got to know fast though >>>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/68 - Release Date: 10/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Thu Aug 11 04:23:45 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:23:45 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> Hi Jeff, Again thank you for writing and Ill just close off too, As I said previously im the first to admit the NHMA and the guidelines arent perfect... and I told them this as such at the recent National Rally. To me the main reason things as they are is firstly the hobby in it self is unique and you cant simply put it in a neat package. The variation or the people and there interests in the hobby are what makes it great. There is still alot more the NHMA could cover if you look back to my annual report and read the business descri[tion you can clearly see this. The point im trying to make is the Association needs to find a balance that satisfys the majority of members. That being said those who wish to do "other" things that dont come under the Association policys can apply or seek there own private coverage or support there is no rule saying every engine person must be a member of the NHMA. I aggree with Reg and you Jeff on allowing people into compounds under supervision, I think its great and ive even done it myself with a gentlemen who gave me an engine sometime ago. He traveled 3 hours to the event I was at to see it running for the first time in 60 years, he broke down in tears I was close my self it was very emotional!! I invited him over the fence and I let him assist in starting it (its a big sideshaft) he was stoked and so was I!! He asked if he could engines further down the compound and I gently told him he would have to get back over the other side of the fence to do that and then ask the owner if it would be ok if he hoped over. He understood and was happy to comply And to some degree under the policy the NHMA has you can get away with things like this and use common sense in a controled environment. But I stress it is not in the guidelines, however there is no reason why efforts could be made to do that. However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it will make the hobby so much better. Tractors and steam engines driving around in public (yes this looks great and I know where you are comming from) is something im not convinced can be done safely... but someone tell me how it came be done. I admit im not a tractor person so maybe someone who is can provide some thoughts on the matter?? As for your question about familys the answer is yes, in the policy its states between an age of 10 to 70 (from memory) I have had this argument with the actual national secretary on children under 10 simply put insurance companys dont recignise some kid who has grown up around tractors all his life as apposed to one who hasn't and it is very expensive and difficult to get coverage for those under 10 I believe I hope this answers your questions Jeff if I can help any further or with your forth comming meeting please dont hesitate to let me know off list. Kind regards, Adam From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 08:42:25 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:42:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - Church bells Message-ID: <6f60251605081108427b7523a3@mail.gmail.com> This is completely OT but brings you down to earth a bit: We had a phone call today from Shelton Parish Church, who we rent one of the horses' fields from. After the usual exchanges of pleasantries (Heather Wells has been our contact there for the past 12 years) she mentioned that they were going to get their Church clock repaired, and had also found out that their Church bell had been appropriated by a neighbouring village (Hargrave) in the 1500's, and she had found documentary evidence in the parish records of the event! Now, we are pretty used to 'old' things related to the 1700's up to the 1900's, but finding ordinary everyday records that date back 500 years is something which we found pretty special. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 11 09:24:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:24:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - Church bells References: <6f60251605081108427b7523a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c59e91$1fe2f020$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Church bells > This is completely OT but brings you down to earth a bit: > We had a phone call today from Shelton Parish Church, who we rent one > of the horses' fields from. After the usual exchanges of pleasantries > (Heather Wells has been our contact there for the past 12 years) she > mentioned that they were going to get their Church clock repaired, and > had also found out that their Church bell had been appropriated by a > neighbouring village (Hargrave) in the 1500's, and she had found > documentary evidence in the parish records of the event! > Now, we are pretty used to 'old' things related to the 1700's up to > the 1900's, but finding ordinary everyday records that date back 500 > years is something which we found pretty special. > Peter Hi Peter, I hope a solicitor doesn't get to hear about this and try to start proceedings for the church. If he does offer him the 1500's rates of pay! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Thu Aug 11 10:31:57 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. Message-ID: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Guys, Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it was killed acid. Anybody remember? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 11 11:28:13 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:28:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. Message-ID: <20050811.112813.1188.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Curt. The right flux makes the difference between night and day. I would go for silicone seal between two washers. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 Curt writes: > Guys, > Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am > down > to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I > am > planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe > connected > to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. > I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering > sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating > the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if > it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 12:06:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:06:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605081112061d402f8c@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Curt wrote: > Guys, > Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down > to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am > planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected > to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. > I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Look for 'killed spirits' on Google, we called it Baker's Fluid over here, probably quite appropriate for your engine! :-)) But a good resin flux would do the job if you can find some of the old stuff. New reg's prevent use of a lot of this stuff now, so you cannot always find it in the shops. We have a stock of old resin flux at the factory for soldering big cables etc with a blowtorch. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 11 12:18:41 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:18:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. > Guys, > Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down > to preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am > planning on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected > to the pail will drain water back to the tank under the cart. > I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland Hi Curt, If you are doing the soldering to work with the Baker Monitor the best flux would probably be Bakers Fluid. 8^) see http://www.tool-up.co.uk/shop/diy/BAK500.html Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 12:35:48 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:35:48 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <6f60251605081112061d402f8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> <6f60251605081112061d402f8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508111235627e4cfd@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > > Look for 'killed spirits' on Google, we called it Baker's Fluid over > here, probably quite appropriate for your engine! :-)) But a good > resin flux would do the job if you can find some of the old stuff. New > reg's prevent use of a lot of this stuff now, so you cannot always > find it in the shops. > > We have a stock of old resin flux at the factory for soldering big > cables etc with a blowtorch. > > Peter > Put speech marks around "Bakers Fluid" or you'll get a load of other mush in the search results! Still available over here, I think you'll find chemical details if you use Google Groups and look back in the archives on the model engineering newsgroup - uk.rec.models.engineering Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Aug 11 13:50:46 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:50:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <54.4a03a474.302d1426@aol.com> In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << I got the wheels under the cart today. >> Nice job Ron. That engine looks like it weighs something! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:29:31 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:29:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, It's called Ruby Fluid over here, you can get it at any sheet metal shop. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: SEL >Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 > >Guys, >Working on the last details of the Baker Monitor project and I am down to >preparing the pail that the pump is going to pump water into. I am planning >on hanging a galvanized pail from the pump and a pipe connected to the pail >will drain water back to the tank under the cart. >I am thinking about soldering the pipe into the bucket. >It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections of >galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the >sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and stick. >But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it was killed >acid. >Anybody remember? >Thanks, >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Aug 11 14:34:31 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:34:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <42FBC467.8000003@wowway.com> I have not looked, but can't you still find different "soldering acids" in the stores? If not, I have to imagine that any of the paste fluxes would do the job. Or possibly, if you don't have too much to do, acid-core solder. I think that zinc chloride or some-such is a common component in such items. -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From gwaugh at wowway.com Thu Aug 11 14:41:33 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:41:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. In-Reply-To: <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com> <001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <42FBC60D.7030500@wowway.com> Check here, Curt---you can also access the MSDS sheet which shows a composition of Zinc and Ammonia Chlorides and HCl...I can smell it now!!! http://www.airgas.com/browse/product.aspx?Msg=RecID&recIds=51906 -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Thu Aug 11 21:18:25 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:18:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte Dieselectric cart Message-ID: <20050811.211825.1292.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tom. The engine isn't all that big, but the solid flywheels, full base, and generator that is not in the picture really adds up. I will weigh it sometime. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:50:46 EDT Germoamer at aol.com writes: > In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:29:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rdhaskell at juno.com writes: > > << I got the wheels under the cart today. >> > > > Nice job Ron. That engine looks like it weighs something! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 03:19:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:19:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] '' Spark Plugs''......Australian Book Message-ID: <001401c59f27$6982d510$159881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does anyone in Australia know if the book ''Spark Plugs'' by A.M. Parker is still available. It was printed by the Shovel &Bull in South Australia, when i do not know. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 03:27:47 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:27:47 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. References: <42FB8B8D.5050900@imc-group.com><001301c59ea9$7d774fc0$fa4c1152@no1> <42FBC467.8000003@wowway.com> Message-ID: <003e01c59f28$80013c40$159881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Curt ...for what it is worth. Do what Ron suggests, a couple of lock nuts and sealing washers. I have done this on a pump and bucket ,works well and you can easily dismantle it . ----- Original Message ----- From: "kgw" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. > > I have not looked, but can't you still find different "soldering acids" in > the stores? If not, I have to imagine that any of the paste fluxes would > do the job. Or possibly, if you don't have too much to do, acid-core > solder. I think that zinc chloride or some-such is a common component in > such items. > -- > Gene > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jerrye at databak.co.za Fri Aug 12 12:59:42 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:59:42 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question In-Reply-To: <200508121000.j7CA0B5U011483@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 From: Curt Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it was killed acid. Anybody remember? Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Hi Curt For what it is worth I remember when I was a "short one" (45 years or so back) my Dad using "Spirits of Salts" for tinning on galvanised metal. I think that this is Hydrochloric Acid but am not sure. He used to brush it on with a chicken feather - never could afford brushes. In your case the "Bakers Fluid" sounds like it was made for the job. Jerry Evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Aug 12 05:22:54 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:22:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty Message-ID: <006901c59f38$91decd50$fa4c1152@no1> Steve Green has posted the following to the English newsgroup. I have never seen so much effort to show an engine well at a temporary site. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, I have put some more photo's of another engine of mine this time my 62.5 bhp Vickers Petter which I took down to Ipswich for the Suffolk show back in June hope you enjoy them. Regards Steve. See http://community.webshots.com/album/419081268ioQNsp ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 05:27:18 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:27:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question References: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> Message-ID: <001301c59f39$32ae8ea0$159a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Interesting now ...Zinc Allum is the material used for gutters ,pop rivets and silicone have replaced soft solder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0400 > From: Curt > Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question. > > > It has been a LONG time since I watched gutter guys soldering sections > of galvanized guttering together. As a child I recall them treating the > sections to be soldered with something to make the solder wick and > stick. But I don't recall if it was straight acid (muriatic?) or if it > was killed acid. > Anybody remember? > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Hi Curt > For what it is worth I remember when I was a "short one" (45 years or so > back) my Dad using "Spirits of Salts" for tinning on galvanised metal. I > think that this is Hydrochloric Acid but am not sure. He used to brush it > on with a chicken feather - never could afford brushes. > In your case the "Bakers Fluid" sounds like it was made for the job. > Jerry Evans > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 12 05:30:00 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:30:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty References: <006901c59f38$91decd50$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <001d01c59f39$92949350$159a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty > Steve Green has posted the following to the English newsgroup. > I have never seen so much effort to show an engine well at a temporary > site. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, I have put some more photo's of another engine of mine this time my > 62.5 bhp Vickers Petter which I took down to Ipswich for the Suffolk show > back in June hope you enjoy them. > Regards Steve. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/419081268ioQNsp > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Aug 12 05:38:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:38:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Soldering galvanized question In-Reply-To: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> References: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> Message-ID: <42FC9851.5050609@imc-group.com> Thanks to all who have given advice of the tinning and soldering of galvanized. It seems finding the Bakers/Ruby/killed flux will be easier to find than the bucket itself! Have found lots of 10 quart buckets but the size I am after, a 14 quart, is proving difficult to find in town. Missy is on a mission to find a large bucket over the weekend. Oh Arnie, she likes your suggestion of fitting the drain pipe securely enough that it will survive a good whomp. It's what she is going to whomp with it that has me concerned ;-) Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jerry Evans wrote: > For what it is worth I remember when I was a "short one" (45 years or so >back) my Dad using "Spirits of Salts" for tinning on galvanised metal. I >think that this is Hydrochloric Acid but am not sure. He used to brush it >on with a chicken feather - never could afford brushes. > In your case the "Bakers Fluid" sounds like it was made for the job. > > > > > From old_iron at msn.com Fri Aug 12 06:49:04 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:49:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Club bullshit!!/Date In-Reply-To: <012301c5b359$b4ca8680$f2687343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: It is really, really easy for this to happen, if for some reason you were checking the time/date in the corner of your screen and "accidently" clicked over to September and then sent the email. Bank zoom you have a different date as your "system" date. Now anything you do on your local system will have the incorrect date. Peg Pfeiffer the PC Doctor >From: "Roger DiRuscio" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:10:29 -0700 > >I havent a clue how this happened > >Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc >Collector of cool antique engines >Website; scrapologist.com >Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arnie Fero" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:57 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>He hasn't learned to read minds, but he has mastered teleportation. And >>since he's in September, he will shortly post the who-did-what-to-who >>report on Portland (Indiana) 2005. 8-)) >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> >>>Roger - how did you send this message on September 2, 2005? >>> >>>Roger DiRuscio Sep 2, 2005 Re: [SEL] Club bullshit!! >>>ED 10:14 am Re: [SEL] Portland , IN 2005 >>> >>>Bill >>> >>> > what club, what show, what website? >>> > I have not learned to read minds yet >>> > help! >>> > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Aug 12 07:03:12 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:03:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Curt's Bucket In-Reply-To: <42FC9851.5050609@imc-group.com> References: <200508121323468.SM01692@new> <42FC9851.5050609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <1123855392.42fcac20eca26@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Curt, McMaster-Carr has lots of choices in 14 quart buckets. 28 ga galvanized - $7.32 [4260T4] 26 ga galvanized - $15.06 [4260T6] Or you could move up to stainless steel for $50-$100... 8-)) I'd go for the heavier 26 ga one since Missy is planning on doing some whomping!! See ya at Portland!! Arnie Quoting Curt : > Thanks to all who have given advice of the tinning and soldering of > galvanized. It seems finding the Bakers/Ruby/killed flux will be easier > to find than the bucket itself! Have found lots of 10 quart buckets but > the size I am after, a 14 quart, is proving difficult to find in town. > Missy is on a mission to find a large bucket over the weekend. Oh Arnie, > she likes your suggestion of fitting the drain pipe securely enough that > it will survive a good whomp. It's what she is going to whomp with it > that has me concerned ;-) From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Aug 12 07:20:00 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland Message-ID: <001b01c59f48$ecc089b0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> I recently checked with my insurance agent regarding insurance coverage for my golf cart at the Portland, Indiana show. She told me my present coverage was only if used on my property. A seperate full coverage for use anywhere for one year was $68. As we use the golf cart at several other shows we are going for the seperate full coverage for everywhere. Clarence Lammers and myself and Ralph Waters will be at our same vendor spot on Ave. Q that Clarence and I have had for several years. Please stop and see us. -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/2005 From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 12 08:08:12 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:38:12 +0930 Subject: [SEL] '' Spark Plugs''......Australian Book References: <001401c59f27$6982d510$159881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002c01c59f4f$a8afbf50$19c08890@chaos> http://www.bevenyoung.com.au/saleoz.htm SPARK PLUGS VOL 2 By A M Parker An illustrated history of spark plugs told by reprinted ads. Also include is a KLG spark plug charts for early cars and motorcycles Published 1988. Soft bound, 124 pages, well illustrated SPECIAL PRICE $6.95 ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:49 PM Subject: [SEL] '' Spark Plugs''......Australian Book > Does anyone in Australia know if the book ''Spark Plugs'' by A.M. Parker > is still available. It was printed by the Shovel &Bull in South Australia, > when i do not know. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Aug 12 09:17:34 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:17:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <001b01c59f48$ecc089b0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <200508121617.j7CGHb5Y032411@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Clarence Lammers and myself and > Ralph Waters will be at our same vendor spot on Ave. Q that > Clarence and I have had for several years. Hey Charlie, See you in 11 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes and 4 seconds From tdunlap at Satx.rr.com Fri Aug 12 08:06:43 2005 From: tdunlap at Satx.rr.com (Tom Dunlap) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:06:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty References: <006901c59f38$91decd50$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <002d01c59f4f$74b57910$f5357246@mycomputer> Not only great pictures, but what a wonderful engine and display!! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: [SEL] Beyond the call of duty > Steve Green has posted the following to the English newsgroup. > I have never seen so much effort to show an engine well at a temporary > site. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, I have put some more photo's of another engine of mine this time my > 62.5 bhp Vickers Petter which I took down to Ipswich for the Suffolk show > back in June hope you enjoy them. > Regards Steve. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/419081268ioQNsp > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Aug 12 17:28:21 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:28:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Main bearing caps Message-ID: <20050812.172821.1492.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. A couple of main bearing caps keep getting pushed around here. If any list member can use them, 1$ plus postage and they are yours. The number on the casting is N 2400, and stamped in the sheet metal oil cover is 42. The babbitt looks good. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72508989 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30280826&p=72508990 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Aug 13 00:31:28 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:31:28 +1000 Subject: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA In-Reply-To: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> References: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> Message-ID: <42FDA1D0.20104@steamengine.com.au> Hi Adam, I certainly agree that the "lines of communication" do not work - they do not exist. I've lost count of the number of times I've offered the NHMA (various people known to be involved) to host a web site free where they control the content - I never even get a response, let alone a no thanks. You cannot have lines of communication to a secret society that calls itself National Historic Machinery Association Inc. that "Inc." that stands for incorporated should mean that the association is legally registered in one or more states - it is not! It may have been at one time, but it certainly is not now. I've made searches in each state's registry and federally for the name - zip. Paul Adam Cottrill wrote: > However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it will make the hobby so much better. > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Aug 13 01:49:56 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:49:56 +1000 Subject: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA References: <28368592.1123759425452.JavaMail.root@web06sl> <42FDA1D0.20104@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <008701c59fe3$fb6f11c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Pual You will find it was incorporated in Victoria. The incorporation papers are on file and we had to appoint a Victorian member as our Public Officer. I understand that the NHMA Board is in the process of establishing a website. I don't know how far it has progressed. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA > Hi Adam, > I certainly agree that the "lines of communication" do not work - they > do not exist. I've lost count of the number of times I've offered the > NHMA (various people known to be involved) to host a web site free where > they control the content - I never even get a response, let alone a no > thanks. You cannot have lines of communication to a secret society that > calls itself National Historic Machinery Association Inc. that "Inc." > that stands for incorporated should mean that the association is legally > registered in one or more states - it is not! It may have been at one > time, but it certainly is not now. I've made searches in each state's > registry and federally for the name - zip. > > Paul > > Adam Cottrill wrote: > > > However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt > > working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. > Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but > > there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the > 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is > > something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it > will make the hobby so much better. > > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at bigpond.com Sat Aug 13 05:31:04 2005 From: adamcottrill at bigpond.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:31:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] NHMA Message-ID: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> Hi Paul, I agree the "lines of the communication" do not work 100% however they DO EXIST, I have just come back from my clubs meeting tonight and there was our certificate of currency for the insurance and the NHMA newsletter. My club secretary noted in the mintues of the meeting that the information was passed on to me (as club insurance officer) and I digested it and spat out the relevent bits that affected our club, further those peices will also be placed in forth comming newsletter and we even had a motion to change the way we handle and post of insurance moneys to both the NHMA and members since now its NO CARD NO SHOW clubs issueing receipts as proof of payment of insurance as no longer acceptable we used to do this in the interm of the cards arriving. Also NHMA newsletter are kept on file and any member can view them at anytime via the secretary Paul I'm going to ask you a personal question if I may, at your club do you have an appointed person who handles the in comming NHMA information other than the secretary??? who breaks down the information and posts it in a readable format for club members... have you ever asked to read the NHMA newsletters etc your club gets?? Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that maybe your club doesnt do this merly the newsletters and info are sent to your club and are filed by the secretary and merly mentioned in the incomming correspondence. Also that maybe you have not asked to view the corresspondence and if you have you might have been declined this is an issue with YOUR club NOT the NHMA. As for my recollection your approachs (I even did one for you) to the NHMA where tabled and responded to, the end result was as you mentioned was that the NHMA needs 100% editorial control of what was placed on it which is understandable and you where told this hence your comments about it. I do not know if it was official or in person face to face. The above is the same reason why the NHMA no longer places reports in the TOMM. My understanding is Alan Shephard is currently undertaking the website construction I have no idea of its progess, you have his email im sure shoot him one or give him a call. Talking about approaches apart from your very generous offer of your website as a host, you know that ALL corresspondence is to travel through your club first to the state representative. This means you will need to go to your club meeting and stand up and move a motion that your club write to the NHMA State Rep requesting the information your require. Why the hell should we do this???? simple there are over 8,000 members in the NHMA and to make the work load less on the volunters (all of the memebrs who hold posiitons no one gets paid) and communications faster and work. I will be down in Melbourne late this week or early next I am happy to sit down and have a chat with you about this because I can understand how frustrating it is when it seems no information is comming through. I also suspect I will be in melb frequently over the next two months let me know when your next meeting is maybe we could attend togeather Ill sit next to you and we can sort this out. Again I point out im doing this as a fellow engine hobbist not as a sanctioned NHMA representative. Kind regards, Adam Hi Adam, I certainly agree that the "lines of communication" do not work - they do not exist. I've lost count of the number of times I've offered the NHMA (various people known to be involved) to host a web site free where they control the content - I never even get a response, let alone a no thanks. You cannot have lines of communication to a secret society that calls itself National Historic Machinery Association Inc. that "Inc." that stands for incorporated should mean that the association is legally registered in one or more states - it is not! It may have been at one time, but it certainly is not now. I've made searches in each state's registry and federally for the name - zip. Paul Adam Cottrill wrote: > However I feel the NHMA is along way from doing that as the lines of communication and some of the basics arnt working right yet to for lack of a better term "complicate" things. Yes it sounds easy when you say it fast but there is a lot more work behind it to make it happen and apply to the 8000 members the NHMA has, and this is something I intend to attempt to move forward personally as I feel it will make the hobby so much better. > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 12/08/2005 --- Forwarded Message --- Date: [Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:49:56 +1000] From: Ron Page To: The SEL email discussion list cc: Subject: Re: [SPAM 1.6 (+)] [SEL] NHMA Pual You will find it was incorporated in Victoria. The incorporation papers are on file and we had to appoint a Victorian member as our Public Officer. I understand that the NHMA Board is in the process of establishing a website. I don't know how far it has progressed. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Aug 13 06:14:06 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 07:14:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] HVLP painting problems Message-ID: Whew..well it cooled off here. 90 one day and yesterday the high was in the 50's. Good ole Mt., ya know. Well I'm having a small problem with my HVLP spraying. I can get the nice high gloss top coat but immediately specks of hair like particles appear. Not many, just enuf to Pi$$ one off. I'm running a colescing filter and drain all moisture from the line before spraying. I believe it's coming from the air line. Do the make a micron filter for the air line? And I do use a tack cloth. Any thot's??? RickinMt. From oldengin at udata.com Sat Aug 13 19:18:00 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:18:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MECCA, portland In-Reply-To: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> References: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> Message-ID: <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> The camping ground is set and ready for us!!!!! nothing finer and see ya all in a few days! leaving Thursday -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Aug 13 19:42:05 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:42:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] MECCA, portland In-Reply-To: <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> References: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> Message-ID: <42FEAF7D.3030909@fidnet.com> We'll see you on Tues. Gary Leroy C. wrote: > The camping ground is set and ready for us!!!!! nothing finer and see > ya all in a few days! leaving Thursday > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 13 21:01:18 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:01:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] MECCA, portland In-Reply-To: <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> References: <16424291.1123936264376.JavaMail.root@web08sl> <42FEA9D8.2060706@udata.com> Message-ID: <42FEC20E.8040204@scrtc.com> Early Birds......! Thanks for staking off our piece of heaven. See ya soon! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Leroy C. wrote: > The camping ground is set and ready for us!!!!! nothing finer and see > ya all in a few days! leaving Thursday > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Aug 14 05:50:09 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:50:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Edd's Chore Boy Message-ID: <20050814125003.ZOQG21373.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Edd returned another one to life this week. After a lot of work (including a re-sleeve) he got his little Associated 'Chore Boy' running. Pics: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/Mvc-032f.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/EddsEngines/Mvc-033f.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Aug 14 07:37:46 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event Message-ID: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka chips) Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. If you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and your favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and ice for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better than last year. 8-)) See ya at Portland!! Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 09:39:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:39:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event In-Reply-To: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605081409394f06276@mail.gmail.com> On 8/14/05, fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka chips) > Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. If > you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and your > favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and ice > for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better than > last year. 8-)) > > See ya at Portland!! Arnie > You mean the foot-deep water won't be a feature of the ATIS area this year? pity that as we missed it last year..... :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 14 11:14:29 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:14:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Needed: Madison Kipp oiler parts Message-ID: <200508141814.j7EIEZUY048977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> This is being posted for my friend, Bob Helm, who doesn't use computers. He's looking for three individual oiler assemblies for a Madison-Kipp Model 50. If you have something, email me with your phone number and I can have Bob call you, or you can call Bob directly at 909-629-1662. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Aug 14 11:13:54 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:13:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ATIS auction at Portland Message-ID: <002e01c5a0fb$f0540200$60a4123f@oemcomputer> To all Portland attendees, Don't forget the Thursday night auction at the Back 40. Hunt up a few auction items. Your non auctioneer auctioneer is warming up for it. I've got my items ready. They will be on display in the SEL area prior to the auction. If you haven't done it, let Dave know that you will be there. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Aug 14 15:32:23 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:32:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs Message-ID: <8d.2d1dc489.30312077@aol.com> Hi List, I got the Gladden Model 40 to run. Yes, it runs with a make shift carburetor/governor linkage, wrong carburetor, and a non original reworked gas tank. However, I having a little problem with the governor. There is no apparent governor action with an increase in engine RPM. I think the idle carburetor circuit also needs to be cleaned since it doesn't want to run at low speeds. Nevertheless, even with these small problems, I am happy to hear the engine run. It starts with the pull rope. The thread on solder was very helpful. I was to use some of data on flux to help me solder a new filler cap assembly to the gas tank. I found a bottle of "Allen's Tinners Acid" and use some of it to clean the solder joint. The solder flowed very nice into the inside the tank filler joint and around the outside perimeter. l rinsed the inside of the tank with muriatic acid to clean some of the internal rust. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 14 15:32:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:32:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] She's finally home. Sorta OT Message-ID: <42FFC68B.8050508@earthlink.net> Hi all, Today the Red-E walk behind machine made it home. I paid for it about a year ago. She was headed for Portland and neither of us made it. In October she made the trip to Colby, KS for storage from another complete stranger. My plan was to pick her up when I went to Bird City for the show. It didn't work out, as the one storing it was in Denver that weekend. My buddy made a parts search trip last week into Iowa and Nebraska. He dropped down to Colby and picked it up yesterday. Today we unloaded. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Sure is perty to me. Gas tank/tool box, good flywheel, and great set of handles. Hate to part her out, but have no choice. Sometimes you gotta make one out of two. If you care to take a look at the old girl: http://oldirongallery.com/re.html Happy day for me and I think we're all insane. Great state of mind. Jeff Allen From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 14 16:00:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:00:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs References: <8d.2d1dc489.30312077@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c5a123$ec72f010$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs > Hi List, > I got the Gladden Model 40 to run. Yes, it runs with a make shift > carburetor/governor linkage, wrong carburetor, and a non original reworked gas tank. > However, I having a little problem with the governor. There is no apparent > governor action with an increase in engine RPM. I think the idle carburetor > circuit also needs to be cleaned since it doesn't want to run at low speeds. > Nevertheless, even with these small problems, I am happy to hear the engine > run. It starts with the pull rope. > The thread on solder was very helpful. I was to use some of data on flux to > help me solder a new filler cap assembly to the gas tank. I found a bottle > of "Allen's Tinners Acid" and use some of it to clean the solder joint. The > solder flowed very nice into the inside the tank filler joint and around the > outside perimeter. l rinsed the inside of the tank with muriatic acid to > clean some of the internal rust. > Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA Nice to hear of another one running! PS Why do you Yanks insist on using an ancient name for Hydrochloric acid? (muriatic acid ) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 16:39:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:39:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gladden Engine -- It Runs In-Reply-To: <001301c5a123$ec72f010$fa4c1152@no1> References: <8d.2d1dc489.30312077@aol.com> <001301c5a123$ec72f010$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814192144.03d30c38@mail.alltel.net> >PS Why do you Yanks insist on using an ancient name for Hydrochloric acid? >(muriatic acid ) >Dave Croft It's because we don't know what the hell "crisps" are! Dave From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 14 17:53:51 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:53:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Needed: Madison Kipp oiler parts References: <200508141814.j7EIEZUY048977@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00e901c5a133$cf3099c0$24d34c0c@D48VHZ61> This is who Madison sold the oiler line to: LUBRIQUIP, INC. 2041 S. Stoughton Rd Madison, WI 53716-0999 USA PHONE: (608)221-1100 or 1-800-275-5574 FAX: (608)221-8411 E-MAIL: info.lubriquip at idexcorp.com They told me last week they only have a couple of gaskets and maybe the top part of the oiler with the glass in it. Everything else was obsoleted in the 80's. If anyone knows of someone supplying parts I would love to have their contact info. John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: ; "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Needed: Madison Kipp oiler parts > This is being posted for my friend, Bob Helm, who doesn't use computers. > He's > looking for three individual oiler assemblies for a Madison-Kipp Model 50. > If > you have something, email me with your phone number and I can have Bob > call you, > or you can call Bob directly at 909-629-1662. > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 14 18:11:38 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:11:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <002f01c5a136$49ea3980$230110ac@PAUL> Ok gang I have tried everything I know including Yahoo and Google to locate the telephone number of this guy. Can someone help me: I need to find the telephone number of: John Faccin 431 Lind rd. Crystal Falls, Michigan 49920 I will appreciate any help anyone can offer me in locating a telephone number on this guy. Many Thanks Paul From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Aug 14 18:42:23 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:42:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> You might call Leo Faccin at (906) 875-6222 and get the number. Ken > [Original Message] > From: Paul Maples > To: Stationary Engine List > Date: 8/14/2005 9:33:25 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > > Ok gang I have tried everything I know including Yahoo and Google to locate the telephone number of this guy. Can someone help me: I need to find the telephone number of: > > > John Faccin > 431 Lind rd. > Crystal Falls, Michigan > 49920 > > I will appreciate any help anyone can offer me in locating a telephone number on this guy. > > Many Thanks > > Paul From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Aug 14 18:45:35 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:45:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone Message-ID: <410-22005811514535671@coastalnet.com> Forgot to mention that you could ask this on the Off Topic list without bothering anyone;-) http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic Ken From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:06:26 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:06:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <410-22005811514535671@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005811514535671@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814220508.03db0298@mail.alltel.net> At 09:45 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >Forgot to mention that you could ask this on the Off Topic list >without bothering anyone;-) >http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > >Ken Come on Ken, you know that would be too easy! Dave PS, School, books, eat! From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 14 19:08:31 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:08:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone References: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <005401c5a13e$3c416490$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Ken I will try that. Also tried to subscribe to the OT lost but never got on for some reason so I gave up and this has been several weeks ago ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > You might call Leo Faccin at (906) 875-6222 > and get the number. From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:19:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:19:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone In-Reply-To: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005811514223562@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814220917.03dcef00@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ken, It's my understanding that Leo is John's great uncle on his (ie, John's mother's) side. Leo and John's grandfather fought a dual in 1898 and John's grandfather was killed. Leo is now the eldest Faccin, but no one talks to him much and (I'm told) that he does not answer his phone very much. I get this information from Fran Faccin (ne Crunt) I sure hope that this helps some! Dave At 09:42 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >You might call Leo Faccin at (906) 875-6222 >and get the number. > >Ken > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Maples > > To: Stationary Engine List > > Date: 8/14/2005 9:33:25 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Looking for Someone > > > > Ok gang I have tried everything I know including Yahoo and Google to >locate the telephone number of this guy. Can someone help me: I need to >find the telephone number of: > > > > > > John Faccin > > 431 Lind rd. > > Crystal Falls, Michigan > > 49920 > > > > I will appreciate any help anyone can offer me in locating a telephone >number on this guy. > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Paul > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:28:41 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:28:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The Goat????????????? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814222202.03de8e88@mail.alltel.net> Reg, Have you stopped hanging around with this guy? Does Marg know about the goat? Didn't I tell you to stop hanging around with guys from New Zealand? Damn, this is all so embarrassing! Dave PS, I can understand the rabbits! PPS, Was the goat good? PPPS, See: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3376275a11,00.html From old_iron at msn.com Sun Aug 14 19:31:36 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:31:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event In-Reply-To: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us non-drinkers. Peg Pfeiffer >From: fero_ah at city-net.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 > >Hi Folks, > >This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka >chips) >Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. >If >you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and >your >favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and >ice >for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better >than >last year. 8-)) > >See ya at Portland!! Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Aug 14 19:51:13 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:51:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event In-Reply-To: References: <1124030266.42ff573a79ce0@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Hi Peg, I take this to mean that you will be keeping records for the ATIS Charity Auction as well. GREAT!!!!!!!!! See you at Baraboo! Dvae At 10:31 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us >non-drinkers. > >Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: fero_ah at city-net.com >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: Stationary Engine List >>Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka chips) >>Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. >>If >>you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and your >>favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler >>and ice >>for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better than >>last year. 8-)) >> >>See ya at Portland!! Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Aug 14 20:07:40 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:07:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event References: Message-ID: <013001c5a146$823289e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Better take yer flippers too. Just in case !! I am impatiently awaiting photos of the event. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J Pfeiffer Sr" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event > Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us > non-drinkers. > > Peg Pfeiffer > >>From: fero_ah at city-net.com >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: Stationary Engine List >>Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 >> >>Hi Folks, >> >>This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka >>chips) >>Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red River. >>If >>you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and >>your >>favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler and >>ice >>for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better >>than >>last year. 8-)) >> >>See ya at Portland!! Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 15 07:41:00 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:41:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! Message-ID: Since the EHOWT in 2002, I haven't had a big road trip. A week ago a collector friend of mine asked if I was interested in going to the Rollag show this year. He had bought a couple of engines which needed to be picked up as well. So this past week I've been making phone calls, planning routes, etc. for the latest Hell On Wheels Tour. 10 days of non-stop driving long distances and visiting as many collectors as possible and attending at least one show. All the stops haven't been finalized yet, but here's an idea of what we're doing. I'll start out around 2am on the 27th to drive up to Washington with my trailer to my friends place. There we'll hook his new pickup to my trailer, and we'll head out for eastern Idaho (about 800 miles away) to see a mini-show being held at a collectors home and pick up a couple of engines for delivery to Nebraska. The next morning we'll be around Salt Lake City to visit a collector, then head to Wyoming to pick up a vertical Famous. Next day we'll visit a few collections in Nebraska. Next day we'll visit a few collections in Iowa. Next day we'll be in Minnesota to pick up a 5hp FM N, plus visit as many collections as we can. We'll be at the Rollag show on Friday and Saturday (Sept 2-3). On Sunday the 4th, we'll be in Montana and visit a few collections. On Monday (Labor Day) we'll return home, plus I've go the extra drive to get back to my home so I can be back at work the next day :-( So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. George From stevebarr at ameritech.net Mon Aug 15 08:03:47 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050815150347.56332.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> George I plan on being at Rollag on Friday Sept 2. Steve Barr --- "Best, George" wrote: So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. George -------- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Aug 15 08:09:44 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:09:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46154.199.62.0.252.1124118584.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i'll be there with a 2hp vert. OTTO. marv in minn > So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members > will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. > > George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 15 08:20:44 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:20:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag Message-ID: Guess that will be the second location I will have seen that particular engine. Saw it in California several years ago before you bought it. ;-) I'll be looking forward to seeing it run. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MARVIN HEDBERG > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:10 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag > > i'll be there with a 2hp vert. OTTO. > > marv in minn > > > So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any > SEL members > > will be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. > > > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Aug 15 08:22:05 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:22:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Steve Barr > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:04 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! > > George > > I plan on being at Rollag on Friday Sept 2. > > Steve Barr Great! Will you be exhibiting anything? (makes it easier to find you) George From marvhed at ecenet.com Mon Aug 15 09:13:03 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] HOWT back on the road!-Rollag] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16239.199.62.0.252.1124122383.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> looks like this now. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=4002561&a=31692538&p=71777239 ran like a clock this past weekend. marv > Guess that will be the second location I will have seen that particular engine. Saw it in California several years ago before you bought it. ;-) > > I'll be looking forward to seeing it run. > > George From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 15 09:29:23 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:29:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> Aside from a little paint touch up work, Devin's Baker Monitor/pump jack is finished. Got the wooden pump arms finished on Saturday and ran it Saturday afternoon and all of Sunday. Have been pleasantly surprised that no oil is sloshing over the wings on the main bearing caps. I put 1 quart of oil in the engine and it seems to be sloshing plenty up top, but it is all staying inside the crankcase. I'd like to say it ran without a glitch, but it didn't. I've come to the conclusion that there are some timing problems, specifically related to the Model T buzz coil. With any electro-mechanical device there will be some time delay upon activation. That's not a problem if it is a consistent delay. I've slowed this engine down a bit and as you all know slow engines have to have accurate ignition. Early ignition will reverse the engine. Yesterday I played with setting the timing closer to TDC to account for the slow speed and the inconsistent buzzing of the buzz coil. In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played with adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will work within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure like to know how. This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of Model T's! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From MBellar at aol.com Mon Aug 15 09:55:51 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:55:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors Message-ID: <8.6e5e8189.30322317@aol.com> A good friend of mine who is an avid collector of IHC machinery was recently interviewed by National Public Radio. If any of you are interested in the story and eye candy check out _www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431_ (http://www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431) . Wendell is currently restoring a Rumley OILTurn stationary engine that sets on a cart that would fill a single car garage past capacity. Some time in the future I hope to have some pictures of the Rumley. I will need help to post them for the List to see. Tom Bellar From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Aug 15 10:26:41 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:26:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: <15a5c1157e71.157e7115a5c1@southeast.rr.com> Curt: As a Model T driver this has no effect whatsoever. Come by for a lesson anytime! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Date: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:29 pm Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question > Aside from a little paint touch up work, Devin's Baker > Monitor/pump jack > is finished. Got the wooden pump arms finished on Saturday and ran > it > Saturday afternoon and all of Sunday. Have been pleasantly > surprised > that no oil is sloshing over the wings on the main bearing caps. I > put 1 > quart of oil in the engine and it seems to be sloshing plenty up > top, > but it is all staying inside the crankcase. > I'd like to say it ran without a glitch, but it didn't. I've come > to the > conclusion that there are some timing problems, specifically > related to > the Model T buzz coil. With any electro-mechanical device there > will be > some time delay upon activation. That's not a problem if it is a > consistent delay. > I've slowed this engine down a bit and as you all know slow > engines have > to have accurate ignition. Early ignition will reverse the engine. > Yesterday I played with setting the timing closer to TDC to > account for > the slow speed and the inconsistent buzzing of the buzz coil. > In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played > with > adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will > work > within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure > like to > know how. > This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of > Model T's! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Mon Aug 15 10:45:30 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:45:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then only getting my first course maybe. Peg >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:51:13 -0400 > >Hi Peg, I take this to mean that you will be keeping records for the ATIS >Charity Auction as well. GREAT!!!!!!!!! See you at Baraboo! > Dvae > >At 10:31 PM 8/14/2005, you wrote: >>Since I don't indulge, I am going to bring some "Green River" for us >>non-drinkers. >> >>Peg Pfeiffer >> >>>From: fero_ah at city-net.com >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: Stationary Engine List >>>Subject: [SEL] Portland International Beer & Crisps Tasting Event >>>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:37:46 -0400 >>> >>>Hi Folks, >>> >>>This year we will once again have an International Beer & Crisps (aka >>>chips) >>>Tasting Event on Friday evening in the Low Rent District by the Red >>>River. >>>If >>>you plan on attending, please bring some "interesting" beer to share and >>>your >>>favorite chip-like munchies. Also bring your lawn chairs and a cooler >>>and ice >>>for your beer. Leroy has promised that the weather will be MUCH better >>>than >>>last year. 8-)) >>> >>>See ya at Portland!! Arnie >>> >>>Arnie Fero >>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>fero_ah at city-net.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 15 11:01:37 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:01:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: <15a5c1157e71.157e7115a5c1@southeast.rr.com> References: <15a5c1157e71.157e7115a5c1@southeast.rr.com> Message-ID: <4300D881.3070706@imc-group.com> Mike, Ken C. and Arnie have sent me Dyke's instructions for adjusting the buzz coils. Will give this a try this evening. Curt mr at carolina.rr.com wrote: >Curt: > As a Model T driver this has no effect whatsoever. Come by for a >lesson anytime! > >Mike Royster > >----- Original Message ----- > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 15 11:06:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> References: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, > In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played with > adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will work > within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure like to > know how. > This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of Model T's! I just emailed you a page of buzz coil adjustment instructions copied from an early Dyke's. However there are several things that are critical to your success with these adjustments. When doing the adjustment of the "buzz", there is reference made to the sound of an angry hornet. In order to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He should then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should note the sound that the angry hornets make. Now go back to the garage and adjust the buzz coil. However, precise adjustment requires further calibration. Observing how the engine runs and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold the lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you adjust the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. Measure the height of each jump and adjust accordingly. Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high Devin-jump. Good luck!! See ya at Portland! Arnie PS - If Devin becomes "physically unable to perform" his part in this process, I'm sure that Missy would be a trooper and would "step up" for the cause!! From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 15 12:04:30 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:04:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: References: <4300C2E3.9060001@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4300E73E.5030205@imc-group.com> Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > > > >Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high >Devin-jump. Good luck!! > > Who sez white boys cain't jump! :-) Curt From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 12:39:51 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:39:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> On 8/15/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then > only getting my first course maybe. > > Peg > T-shirt - must remember to bring that back this year, Peg! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Aug 15 12:58:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Soooo, Peter, what are you doing with Peg's T-shirt? 8->>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 8/15/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > > I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then > > only getting my first course maybe. > > Peg > > T-shirt - must remember to bring that back this year, Peg! > Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:50:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:50:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> <6f60251605081512397b25764d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605081513501e529462@mail.gmail.com> On 8/15/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Soooo, Peter, what are you doing with Peg's T-shirt? 8->>> > Well..... A gentleman wouldn't tell tales on a Lady now would he? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 15 13:51:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:51:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Auction Record keeping In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050814224918.03dea480@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050815165114.03e82298@mail.alltel.net> At 01:45 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote: >I will ONLY do it if you let me eat first! Kinda tired of paying and then >only getting my first course maybe. > >Peg You got it Peg! Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Mon Aug 15 15:56:37 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:56:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Anyone Going to Rollag Show References: <20050815150347.56332.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003a01c5a1ec$97d464c0$546ea618@pengy> I am now the US editor of the Bulletin for the International Stationary Steam Engine Society and am always looking for material to publish. If anyone is going to Rollag and wouldn't mind taking some photos of the stationary steam engines and noting what engines they have and what was under steam, I could then put together a news article from the info. and pictures for the Bulletin. I cannot go to the show but if someone else could be my eyes and ears I sure would appreciate it. Thanks Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Foundation 2261 Hubbard Road Youngstown, OH 44505 330-728-2799 www.todengine.org William Tod Co. 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Rolling Mill Engine Historic Mechanical and Materials Engineering Landmark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] HOWT back on the road! > George > > I plan on being at Rollag on Friday Sept 2. > > Steve Barr > > --- "Best, George" wrote: > > > So.... Who will be at the Rollag show this year?? If any SEL members will > be there, I'd like the chance to meet you. > > George > > -------- > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 17:59:18 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:59:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russians in Portland Message-ID: <410-22005821605918500@earthlink.net> Hi all, Leaving for Portland in the morning. Steff will be joining me on Saturday with Nikolai and Yuriy in tow (she will have a wonderful 12 hour drive with them). Portland will be their first engine show (saved the best for first) so they should be completly entertained but be prepaired as as they ask more questions than I could ever answer and they are easy to push off on an unsuspecting person. Tim Christoff Basehor Kansas. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 16 00:21:55 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:21:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors In-Reply-To: <8.6e5e8189.30322317@aol.com> References: <8.6e5e8189.30322317@aol.com> Message-ID: <43019413.40404@steamengine.com.au> That link does not work, but http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4798431 does :) Paul MBellar at aol.com wrote: > A good friend of mine who is an avid collector of IHC machinery was recently > interviewed by National Public Radio. If any of you are interested in the > story and eye candy check out _www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431_ > (http://www.npr.org/templates/story.php?storyld=4798431) . Wendell is > currently restoring a Rumley OILTurn stationary engine that sets on a cart that > would fill a single car garage past capacity. Some time in the future I hope to > have some pictures of the Rumley. I will need help to post them for the List > to see. > > Tom Bellar > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 From blufire at runbox.com Tue Aug 16 02:33:49 2005 From: blufire at runbox.com (blufire) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:49 +0930 Subject: [SEL] She's finally home. Sorta OT References: <42FFC68B.8050508@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008801c5a245$c3c8d850$63e8a6cb@yourvrozpt3zvx> What a good looking machine Jeff. Well worthy of restoring and saving. Mark Pavy Adelaide Sth Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "Oldengine list" Cc: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: [SEL] She's finally home. Sorta OT > Hi all, > > Today the Red-E walk behind machine made it home. I paid for it about a > year ago. She was headed for Portland and neither of us made it. In > October she made the trip to Colby, KS for storage from another complete > stranger. My plan was to pick her up when I went to Bird City for the > show. It didn't work out, as the one storing it was in Denver that > weekend. My buddy made a parts search trip last week into Iowa and > Nebraska. He dropped down to Colby and picked it up yesterday. Today we > unloaded. > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Sure is perty to me. Gas tank/tool > box, good flywheel, and great set of handles. Hate to part her out, but > have no choice. Sometimes you gotta make one out of two. If you care to > take a look at the old girl: > > http://oldirongallery.com/re.html > > Happy day for me and I think we're all insane. Great state of mind. > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 16 04:00:23 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:00:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Announcing new engine parameter and dating datbase - I need YOU to help please! Message-ID: <4301C747.2010403@steamengine.com.au> I've just developed a new database hosted from Steam & Engine. The purpose of this database is to record engine details for a particular machine to enable people working on similar engines to get the information they need and possibly to roughly date their engine. This idea will only work if it gets a lot of engines in the database, so if you have a few minutes to spare, jump on and put in whatever details you know about your engine(s). It is perfectly ok to be anonymous. If you cannot answer all the questions, just answer what you can - speaking as a restorer - any detail is better than no detail! http://www.steamengine.com.au/cgi-bin/schema?schema=tuning.schema The information it asks for is: Engine Brand and Model : Date range this model was made eg. 1921-1932 : Company that built this engine : Type : Governing : Cooling : Serial Number (if known) : Specific Year (if known) : Rated HP @ RPM eg. 5 at 300 : Flywheel Diameter x Width eg. 20" x 4" : Compression Ratio nn : n eg: 5:1 : Displacement in cubic inches : Ignition : Ignition Timing - degrees before TDC : Injection Pressure (if injected) : Pump Timing (if injected) degrees before TDC : Bore x Stroke : Gudgeon Pin Diameter : Inlet Valve Clearance : Exhaust Valve Clearance : Piston Ring Size(s) : Magneto Type : Original sparkplug type : Current equivalent sparkplug type : Fuel : Fuel tank capacity : Water capacity : Oil capacity : Oil Type : Registry contact or URL : Paint colours : This engine was used for (if known) : Additional Information & Starting Instructions: If you can think of anything else that should be included, give me a yell off list and I'll add it. Regards Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Aug 16 04:28:18 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:28:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... Message-ID: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag Australia through their warranty registration site... I wonder if anyone there will wake up to it? Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 15/08/2005 From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 16 05:31:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:31:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> References: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <4301DCBC.4070304@imc-group.com> Paul, Be expecting a recall notice any day now! :-) Be a good chap and conform to the recall notice and send your engine back as part of this international eradication initiative. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag > Australia through their warranty registration site... I wonder if > anyone there will wake up to it? > > Paul From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 06:29:59 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> References: <4301CDD2.8050809@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: Hi Paul, No worries there mate. The damn things never run so they can't wear out. The warrenty issue is a doddle. 8-))) See ya, Arnie PS - You should keep track of the number of abusive emails you receive. On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag Australia > through their warranty registration site... I wonder if anyone there > will wake up to it? From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 16 07:02:09 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:02:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: Hi Arnie, LOL. Very funny. Devin PS. Remember, Mom and I read the list at home. > Hi Curt, > > > In addition to cleaning the contacts on the buzz coil, I've played with > > adjustment screw on top. There is a fairly wide range that it will work > > within but if anyone knows the proper way to set this I'd sure like to > > know how. > > This inconsistency must have been a real challenge for drivers of Model T's! > > I just emailed you a page of buzz coil adjustment instructions copied from > an early Dyke's. However there are several things that are critical to > your success with these adjustments. When doing the adjustment of the > "buzz", there is reference made to the sound of an angry hornet. In order > to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the > woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He should > then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should note the > sound that the angry hornets make. > > Now go back to the garage and adjust the buzz coil. However, precise > adjustment requires further calibration. Observing how the engine runs > and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative > measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold the > lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you adjust > the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. Measure the > height of each jump and adjust accordingly. > > Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high > Devin-jump. Good luck!! > > See ya at Portland! Arnie > > PS - If Devin becomes "physically unable to perform" his part in this > process, I'm sure that Missy would be a trooper and would "step up" for > the cause!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 07:44:50 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Devin, It's a good thing that you read the list on a regular basis. You'll learn a lot... Occasionally even stuff about engines. 8-)) Two things to remember on the advice I gave your dad. When you go out to look for that hornet's nest to poke with the sharp stick; make sure that your dad (or mom) is with you. And when you and your dad are doing the Devin-jump testing of the buzz coil, make sure that you are touching your dad (or mom) during the tests. That part is VERY important!! 8-)) See ya at Portland!! Arnie On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Missy Holland wrote: > Hi Arnie, > LOL. Very funny. > Devin > PS. Remember, Mom and I read the list at home. > > > to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the > > woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He > > should then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should > > note the sound that the angry hornets make. > > > > and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative > > measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold > > the lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you > > adjust the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. > > Measure the height of each jump and adjust accordingly. > > > > Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high > > Devin-jump. Good luck!! From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 16 08:39:10 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:39:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally have something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real healthy respect for buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more comfortable. I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday afternoon and took these two pictures. and The whole documentation is still on the web site at: Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. Curt, Missy, & Devin Gastonia, NC From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 09:15:37 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! In-Reply-To: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> References: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Devin, > Devin is very excited about > taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not > real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because > it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real > healthy respect for buzz coils now! heh-heh-heh So how's he feel about hornets? 8-)) > Maybe we can find some sort of > rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more > comfortable. No real engine man would ever consider something so wussy!! Next thing you'll have OSHA in to inspect the open gears on the pumpjack! 8-)) > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > Looks GREAT!! I can't wait to see & hear it running! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From kkinney at herculesengines.com Tue Aug 16 10:06:22 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:06:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! In-Reply-To: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> References: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050816120536.049b6368@mail.herculesengines.com> Curt and Devin What a great looking outfit. Congratulations! Can't wait to see it in action next week. Keith At 10:39 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote: >It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of >work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally have >something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about taking his >engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not real keen on >holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because it is so near >the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real healthy respect for >buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of rubber boot to go over the >end of the plug to make him feel more comfortable. >I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday >afternoon and took these two pictures. > >and > > >The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > >Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. >Curt, Missy, & Devin >Gastonia, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MBellar at aol.com Tue Aug 16 10:19:40 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:19:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors Message-ID: <102.672e102a.30337a2c@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2005 3:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: That link does not work, but http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4798431 does :) Paul Thank's for the correction Paul. Someday I will learn to type what I see instead of what I think I see. Tom From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 16 10:39:42 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (mr at carolina.rr.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:39:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: <317cb34cfb.34cfb317cb@southeast.rr.com> Now that is one great looking job! I can't wait to see it in person at Portland. Well done guys!!!! Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:39 am Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and > weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to > finally > have something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited > about > taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is > not > real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, > because > it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real > healthy respect for buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of > rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more > comfortable. > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds > yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > > > The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > > Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. > Curt, Missy, & Devin > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 16 11:26:20 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:26:20 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I'm working a little bit on my 5hp Galloway round rod. The moveable shaft in the ignitor was stuck so I took it off the engine, removed what I could and put it in an electrolysis bath for a bit. Was then able to remove the moveable shaft and the rest of the pieces. I know I need a new ignitor spring and mica washers. The stationary shaft is probably useable. I'm not sure if I'll make a new one yet or not. The points have me scratching my head though. On the moveable shaft the point looks like it is part of the cast piece. It doesn't appear to be soldered on. I'm not sure what to do with it. File it flat and use it? Drill it out and replace it? On the stationary shaft the point looks like a sleeve that was slid onto the end of the shaft, then the shaft peened over to hold it on. On this 'sleeve' there are two depressions. One is deep and the other is shallow. Why are there two of them? When I took it apart the shallow depression was lining up with the point on the moveable shaft. It appears that I can clean this 'sleeve' up really good and possibly use it. Pictures of the ignitor and points can be seen here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html Any suggestions, comments, ideas, tips????? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From mholland at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 16 12:11:51 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:11:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor update and Model T buzz coil question Message-ID: True, true. Devin > Hi Devin, > > It's a good thing that you read the list on a regular basis. You'll learn > a lot... Occasionally even stuff about engines. 8-)) > > Two things to remember on the advice I gave your dad. When you go out to > look for that hornet's nest to poke with the sharp stick; make sure that > your dad (or mom) is with you. And when you and your dad are doing the > Devin-jump testing of the buzz coil, make sure that you are touching your > dad (or mom) during the tests. That part is VERY important!! 8-)) > > See ya at Portland!! Arnie > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Missy Holland wrote: > > > Hi Arnie, > > LOL. Very funny. > > Devin > > PS. Remember, Mom and I read the list at home. > > > > > to get properly "calibrated" I suggest sending Devin out into the > > > woods with a sharp stick. Have him find a large hornet's nest. He > > > should then poke the nest with the stick repeatedly. You both should > > > note the sound that the angry hornets make. > > > > > > and how the spark looks are too subjective. You need a quantitative > > > measure. Disconnect the plug lead from the plug. Have Devin hold > > > the lead in one hand while placing the other on the engine. As you > > > adjust the tremblor you'll notice that Devin jumps into the air. > > > Measure the height of each jump and adjust accordingly. > > > > > > Remember, you want to achieve that "angry hornet" sound and a high > > > Devin-jump. Good luck!! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 16 14:52:47 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:52:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Russians in Portland In-Reply-To: <410-22005821605918500@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Looking forward to meeting them! Remember us Grandma's tend to have more patience than Mom and Dad have. Peg Pfeiffer PS: we will get to Portland the day after your B-day and Bill's 60th is on the 23rd. >From: "Tim Christoff" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Russians in Portland >Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:59:18 -0500 > >Hi all, > >Leaving for Portland in the morning. Steff will be joining me on Saturday >with Nikolai and Yuriy in tow (she will have a wonderful 12 hour drive with >them). Portland will be their first engine show (saved the best for first) >so they should be completly entertained but be prepaired as as they ask >more questions than I could ever answer and they are easy to push off on an >unsuspecting person. > >Tim Christoff >Basehor Kansas. > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 16 14:55:31 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:55:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: He Arnie, our local repair shop still has all the parts on their microfiche, and they told me as long as they had that they could still get parts. And guess what they were able to get the decals. Peg >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Paul, > >No worries there mate. The damn things never run so they can't wear out. >The warrenty issue is a doddle. 8-))) > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - You should keep track of the number of abusive emails you receive. > >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > > For the hell of it I just registered my Maytag 92M with Maytag Australia > > through their warranty registration site... I wonder if anyone there > > will wake up to it? > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Aug 16 15:30:03 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:30:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed References: Message-ID: Regarding the sleeve Luke, I know what your're talking about..Gawd knows why they would sleeve the stationary ignitor shaft. One would think if anything, they'd have sleeved the moveable one. I don't have a clue why the slots....never seen them As far a contacts go..if there's any meat left, I dress them up and live with it..If replacing, I've heard of using everything from stainless steel rivets to nails. Hope this helps a little!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed > Hello Everybody, > > I'm working a little bit on my 5hp Galloway round rod. The moveable shaft > in > the ignitor was stuck so I took it off the engine, removed what I could > and > put it in an electrolysis bath for a bit. Was then able to remove the > moveable shaft and the rest of the pieces. I know I need a new ignitor > spring and mica washers. The stationary shaft is probably useable. I'm not > sure if I'll make a new one yet or not. > > The points have me scratching my head though. On the moveable shaft the > point looks like it is part of the cast piece. It doesn't appear to be > soldered on. I'm not sure what to do with it. File it flat and use it? > Drill > it out and replace it? > > On the stationary shaft the point looks like a sleeve that was slid onto > the > end of the shaft, then the shaft peened over to hold it on. On this > 'sleeve' > there are two depressions. One is deep and the other is shallow. Why are > there two of them? When I took it apart the shallow depression was lining > up > with the point on the moveable shaft. It appears that I can clean this > 'sleeve' up really good and possibly use it. Pictures of the ignitor and > points can be seen here: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > Any suggestions, comments, ideas, tips????? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 16 17:53:55 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:53:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> Hiya Peg, heh-heh-heh. Yep, all good parts, looking good with fresh paint and decals, and the damn things STILL won't start. 8-))) I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't be there this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. See ya, Arnie Quoting William J Pfeiffer Sr : > He Arnie, our local repair shop still has all the parts on their microfiche, > and they told me as long as they had that they could still get parts. > And guess what they were able to get the decals. > Peg From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Aug 16 18:09:28 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:09:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: > I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't > be there > this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. I guess you'll have to deliver mine too, Arnie, since I can't make it there this year. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Aug 16 18:48:55 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:48:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Questions about Portland Message-ID: <43029787.9080705@fidnet.com> I haven't been to Portland as an exhibitor nor have I camped there. I have some questions. Does the camping fee include admission to the show grounds or is admission additional? Is the answer the same for an exhibitor as for someone who is camping and not exhibiting? If the daily admission is free for an exhibitor, what is the situation for a spouse? Does the spouse have to pay a daily admission? Gary -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From old_iron at msn.com Tue Aug 16 19:02:45 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:02:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: On the road again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We leave for Baraboo tomorrow around 8:00 AM, leave there Sunday and head to Portland, where we will not only be celebrating the 40th Tri-State Engine Show but on the 23rd we will be celebrating Bill's 60th B-day. See you at the shows! Peg >From: John Culp >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:09:28 -0400 > >>I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't be >>there >>this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. > >I guess you'll have to deliver mine too, Arnie, since I can't make it there >this year. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 19:34:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:34:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Just caused a little confusion at Maytag... In-Reply-To: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1124240035.43028aa3a4355@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4302A22A.8080708@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, The confusion runs deeper now. If none of them run, how can they possibly smoke you out at a show? :-) Third kick on Sunday for the short one. Kickbacks don't launch him anymore. Sigh! Enjoy Portland all of you. Jeff Allen fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hiya Peg, > >heh-heh-heh. Yep, all good parts, looking good with fresh paint and decals, and >the damn things STILL won't start. 8-))) > >I hope you're ready for hugs. Reggie told me that since he couldn't be there >this year I have to do his hugs in addition to my own. > >See ya, Arnie > >Quoting William J Pfeiffer Sr : > > > >>He Arnie, our local repair shop still has all the parts on their microfiche, >>and they told me as long as they had that they could still get parts. >>And guess what they were able to get the decals. >>Peg >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Aug 16 19:45:16 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:45:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! References: 70879121 Message-ID: <000a01c5a2d5$b36c2530$0301a8c0@Cam> Hey, that's a top job, it's certainly worth the effort that you two put into it. Hope you get a lot of pleasure out of it Devin. Cheers Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally have > something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about taking his > engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not real keen on > holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because it is so near > the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real healthy respect for > buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of rubber boot to go over the > end of the plug to make him feel more comfortable. > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > > > The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > > Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. > Curt, Missy, & Devin > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 17 00:40:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 00:40:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200508170740.j7H7eqQI038970@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > On this 'sleeve' here are two depressions. One is deep > and the other is shallow. Hi Luke, I think what you're looking at on the stationary shaft is erosion. If the point of contact wears excessively, you can rotate the shaft to a clean spot. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 17 05:32:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:32:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! References: <4302089E.4030609@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Well Curt, it was a lot of fun following you and Devin along with your project. It should give you many years of enjoyment and great memories in the future. Congrats to you both, she looks great. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Oh and it feels good to finally > have something finished (for a change). Devin is very excited about > taking his engine to the Portland show next week. As of yet he is not > real keen on holding in the intake valve in while cranking it, because > it is so near the sparkplug lead. For SOME reason Devin has a real > healthy respect for buzz coils now! Maybe we can find some sort of > rubber boot to go over the end of the plug to make him feel more > comfortable. > I rolled the engine up in front of one of Missy's flower beds yesterday > afternoon and took these two pictures. > > and > > > The whole documentation is still on the web site at: > > > Hope you've enjoyed the photos. That's all for now. > Curt, Missy, & Devin > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 17 05:39:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Questions about Portland In-Reply-To: <43029787.9080705@fidnet.com> References: <43029787.9080705@fidnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, The best deal is to be an exhibitor! As an exhibitor you pay a one-time $5 campground maintenance fee. You and your spouse get free admission to the show. If you just attend the show, camping costs $10 per day and admission to the show is $4 per person per day. So make room for that engine and go to Portland as an exhibitor!! See ya at Portland!! Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, Gary Epps wrote: > I haven't been to Portland as an exhibitor nor have I camped there. I > have some questions. Does the camping fee include admission to the show > grounds or is admission additional? Is the answer the same for an > exhibitor as for someone who is camping and not exhibiting? If the > daily admission is free for an exhibitor, what is the situation for a > spouse? Does the spouse have to pay a daily admission? From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 14:54:37 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:54:37 Subject: [SEL] On and OT. Tangye engine and Austin car logo -Sorry! In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508171458718.SM01188@new> Hi all Sorry about this off topic - but I have not fathomed the Off Topic list thing out yet. Please reply off list. This will probably be for the Brits or Aussies. We are having our clubs annual show in 2 weeks - Our club covers Cars, Tractors, Engines, agricultural equipment and steam. The car guys have just come to me and asked me to make them a banner with the "Austin" name on it in the original script as well as the "wings" logo. Amazingly enough they cannot give me a good copy of either. I've spent about 2 hours on the net looking at car clubs and such but cannot find anything decent to copy. It preferably needs to be a "straight on" picture of reasonable size and definition. Any help will be much appreciated. I'm leaving here at 4.00am tomorrow to travel about 800 miles to the Cape Province with some of these car guys to collect some cars that they have bought. I will only get back late on Sunday or maybe only Monday so may not get any replies from you guys until then. I will reply to all then. The reason I am going with is that I know of a very big "Wood gas producer" Tangye engine on an uncles farm near where they are going and would like to photograph it. It is too derelict and big for me to consider as a restoration project but I plan on photographing it and putting it up on my webpage. This engine dates back to the early 1900's and was shipped to Port Elizabeth and moved inland by ox wagon. I have known about it for a number of years but not had the chance to get down there - hence the lift with the car guys is handy. TO ALL YOU LUCKY BUGGERS GOING TO PORTLAND - HAVE A GREAT TIME. Best wishes Jerry Evans in South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 13:43:40 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:43:40 Subject: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050817134340.009de0d8@127.0.0.1> Message: 10 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:19:40 EDT From: MBellar at aol.com Subject: Re: [SEL] kinda OT Feeling the Pull of Old Tractors To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Message-ID: <102.672e102a.30337a2c at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/16/2005 3:29:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pjp at steamengine.com.au writes: That link does not work, but http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4798431 does :) Paul Thank's for the correction Paul. Someday I will learn to type what I see instead of what I think I see. Tom Hi Tom, Maybe you should learn to "copy an paste" much easier and no mistakes :-) Jerry in SA --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 13:47:51 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:47:51 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508171458265.SM01188@new> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:39:10 -0400 From: Curt Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! To: SEL Message-ID: <4302089E.4030609 at imc-group.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! Good luck at Portland Well done Devin - that looks fantastic - how old are you? Regards Jerry Evans in South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From mholland at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 17 06:38:22 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:38:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: Hi Jerry, I am 12. Devin Gastonia, NC > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:39:10 -0400 > From: Curt > Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! > To: SEL > Message-ID: <4302089E.4030609 at imc-group.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It's done! After nearly 5 months of pretty full evenings and weekends of > work, Devin's Baker Monitor is done! > Good luck at Portland > > Well done Devin - that looks fantastic - how old are you? > Regards > Jerry Evans in South Africa > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Aug 17 09:58:53 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:58:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland References: <200508121617.j7CGHb5Y032411@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Rob, You won't be seeing as much of me as the past few years. Charlie 00000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Insurance - Portland > > > Clarence Lammers and myself and > > Ralph Waters will be at our same vendor spot on Ave. Q that > > Clarence and I have had for several years. > > Hey Charlie, > See you in 11 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes and 4 seconds > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.8/71 - Release Date: 8/12/05 > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 17 09:31:44 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <200508121617.j7CGHb5Y032411@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: What Charlie, you don't like us anymore? 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Wed, 17 Aug 2005, Charles R Bryant wrote: > Rob, > > You won't be seeing as much of me as the past few years. > > Charlie From jerrye at databak.co.za Wed Aug 17 18:30:46 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:30:46 Subject: [SEL] OT / Austin artwork In-Reply-To: <200508171000.j7HA08J0022140@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200508171834765.SM00516@new> This list is fantastic, within 3 hours of sending out my request Dave Croft had sent me exactly what I needed. Thanks Dave. I have done the vector conversion and the car guys are very happy. Regards Jerry Evans in SA Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Aug 17 10:02:40 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:02:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <00de01c5a34c$f3db3a80$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <200508171702.j7HH2mfo001338@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > You won't be seeing as much of me as the past few years. > > Charlie Hi Charlie, I think I know where you're going with this. Lemme just give you a friendly warning: don't start no crap! Some of us "well nourished" enginemen will have our women-folk there. We don't need no scrawny Maine dwellers strutting around, looking all ripped, and getting our wives to start thinking about changing our beer and meat rations to mineral water and tofu. Rob From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Wed Aug 17 13:04:38 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:04:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland Message-ID: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Hi All, Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years trip at the same time. Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water feature in there plot. Best wishes for a good time and even better weather Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Aug 17 14:31:03 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:31:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Baker Monitor final update! Message-ID: <9f.654f3e1b.30350697@aol.com> In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:44:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << It's done! After nearly 5 months >> Curt, Great job you and Devin have done on the restoration and know that he will display it proudly at Portland. Thanks for all the write-ups on how everything was done. Made for nice reading and putting ideas in this old head! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 17 15:27:00 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:27:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Sounds good Craig. I look forward to meeting you. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland Hi All, Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years trip at the same time. Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water feature in there plot. Best wishes for a good time and even better weather Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Aug 17 16:50:44 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:50:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] OT / Austin artwork References: <200508171834765.SM00516@new> Message-ID: <000f01c5a386$800abe20$4b9381cb@ogborneuah38i3> Dave beat me to it Jerry........it's the time difference ,he had a start. I was going into town this morning to a friends place ,he has a 1922 Austin , but you are OK now I presume. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] OT / Austin artwork > This list is fantastic, within 3 hours of sending out my request Dave > Croft > had sent me exactly what I needed. Thanks Dave. I have done the vector > conversion and the car guys are very happy. > Regards > Jerry Evans in SA > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery > Alternative ! > We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack > / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition > Loss > (FDISK). > We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. > Visit our site: > http://www.databak.co.za > Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 > Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 > eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za > Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 17 17:41:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:41:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland In-Reply-To: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050817203817.03fe6380@mail.alltel.net> I'll be doG damned. You and Nev are coming all this way and you have not told me that you will be at the ATIS dinner and Charity Auction on Thursday of Portland? Why would you come all this way if you are not going to be at the dinner? Dave >Hi All, > Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been > sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years > trip at the same time. > Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend > Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot > doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if > the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water > feature in there plot. > > Best wishes for a good time and even better weather > Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 17 17:49:25 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:49:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland In-Reply-To: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050817204233.03ffa9d8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Reg, I sure as hell hope that this means what it seems to mean! The three waitresses at the 40 said that they never knew anyone who could take on all three of them an live to see the sun come up the next day. They told me that if you ever came back to the USA that they each had a sister and they bet me that you wouldn't last the night. I've got $50.00 riding on you buddy--don't let me down! Dave PS, They didn't believe the story about you and the 9 sheep! At 06:27 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: >Sounds good Craig. I look forward to meeting you. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- From: "craig morrison" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:04 AM >Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland > > >Hi All, > Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been > sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years > trip at the same time. > Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland > . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot doesn't > include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if the list > has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water feature in > there plot. > > Best wishes for a good time and even better weather > Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Aug 17 18:01:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:01:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland In-Reply-To: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <1124326865.4303ddd144341@webmail.city-net.com> OHMYGAWD!!! Reg, Nev, and Craig all at one show!! Throw in Bambi & Nitro and Baraboo / Portland 2006 will be one for the record books!! Most arrests... Highest bail bond total, etc. Can't wait!! 8->>> Now we just need to make sure that Jim & Dolly attend too ... Off for Baraboo (2005) at 4:00 am Thursday and down to Portland on Monday. Looking forward to seeing everyone there!! See ya, Arnie Quoting R & M Ingold : > Sounds good Craig. I look forward to meeting you. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend Portland. > Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd From asouth at strato.net Wed Aug 17 18:43:09 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:43:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT maybe Hope to see some of you in Portland Message-ID: <003701c5a397$0d6b6b60$0600a8c0@ARTHUR> Portland here we come! C'ya there. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From kkinney at herculesengines.com Wed Aug 17 21:03:07 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:03:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland In-Reply-To: <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine factory. To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page about them: http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm Thanks. Keith From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Aug 17 21:31:24 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:31:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> I wonder if there is any connection with the Clarke-Troller canoe motors (Small outboards) of Detroit Mich. Same spelling same time period I think. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, > the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the > mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With > Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas > Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. > > In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one > of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort > Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him > several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good > information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just > finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see > if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. > His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you > have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a > nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He > even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke > factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been able > to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. > > Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that > he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we > could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland > show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited > him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 > Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) > > There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the > factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent > opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. > Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any > questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine > factory. > > To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page > about them: > http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm > > Thanks. > Keith > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Aug 17 22:11:01 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:11:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Jay Peters model business sold off Message-ID: <046801c5a3b3$3e41f2b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I received this today, It will be of interest to some. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wood To: Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Jay Peters model business sold off Hi Reg, Jay Peters model business was sold off at the Iron Fever show last week. The 1/2 Domestic and the Nanzy were purchased by: Bob Herder 2 Spring Mountain Rd. Califon, NJ 07830 908-832-4184 http://members.tripod.com/bobherder Bob is already selling his own model kits and these two kits expand his product line. He intends on selling parts to people that need them. He is taking orders now, and expects to be ready in a couple of months. The 1/2 Olds and 1/3 Associated were purchased by another man near York, PA. These 2 kits will take longer getting to market. He is a new entry in the model kit business and needs time to develop his contacts. He has indicated that he will also sell parts to people that need them. Parts may be available before complete kits. I will know more when I get back from Portland at the end of the month. The 1/4 Olds, L'il Brother, 1/5 Sandwich and the flame licker were either a proxy bid or did not meet the reserve price. Not meeting reserve is the most likely, either way they are in limbo for now. Regards, Bill Wood -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 17 23:47:47 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:47:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com > References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050818024430.03c01db0@mail.alltel.net> Got you down for SIX Keith. That makes about 75 for the ATIS dinner and auction! I'll tell Ellen that there will be about 90 of us in order to cover all those who have not indicated they will be there, but none the less decide to attend. See you there! Dave At 12:03 AM 8/18/2005, you wrote: >In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, >the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the >mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With >Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas >Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. > >In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one >of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort >Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him >several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good >information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just >finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see >if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the >engine. His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old >and you have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have >such a nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep >it". He even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the >Clarke factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only >been able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. > >Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that >he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we >could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland >show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited >him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 >Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) > >There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the >factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent >opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that >experience. Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to >ask him any questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas >engine factory. > >To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page >about them: >http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm > >Thanks. >Keith > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Aug 18 04:56:54 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:56:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O><03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b><6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <001b01c5a3eb$f28a2930$6e9481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Can't answer your question Roger but i had a Clarke Troller ,beautiful example of cast alloy. I did a swap for another marine engine . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland >I wonder if there is any connection with the Clarke-Troller canoe motors > (Small outboards) of Detroit Mich. Same spelling same time period I think. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, > The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca > Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc > Collector of cool antique engines > Website; scrapologist.com > Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Kinney" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:03 PM > Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > > >> In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, >> the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until >> the mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. >> With Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the >> Clarke Gas Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. >> >> In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one >> of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort >> Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him >> several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good >> information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just >> finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see >> if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. >> His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you >> have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a >> nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He >> even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke >> factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been >> able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. >> >> Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that >> he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we >> could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland >> show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited >> him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 >> Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) >> >> There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the >> factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent >> opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. >> Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any >> questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine >> factory. >> >> To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page >> about them: >> http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm >> >> Thanks. >> Keith >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Aug 18 05:05:02 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:05:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Insurance - Portland In-Reply-To: <200508171702.j7HH2mfo001338@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200508171702.j7HH2mfo001338@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4304796E.2070204@steamengine.com.au> Sounds like you're going to have to move from LA to Berkeley Rob :) Paul Rob Skinner wrote: > Hi Charlie, > I think I know where you're going with this. Lemme just give you a friendly > warning: don't start no crap! > > Some of us "well nourished" enginemen will have our women-folk there. We don't > need no scrawny Maine dwellers strutting around, looking all ripped, and getting > our wives to start thinking about changing our beer and meat rations to mineral > water and tofu. > > Rob > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.12/75 - Release Date: 17/08/2005 From rbackus at ogdenpubs.com Thu Aug 18 06:47:32 2005 From: rbackus at ogdenpubs.com (Richard Backus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:47:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <200508181000.j7IA08OQ010752@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Keith, what an amazing story about Berry. Now the next step: We need to get photos of Berry Clarke and his engine in GEM! Better yet, how about the full story on the restoration as well! (GEM regulars might remember that Keith wrote an excellent article on the history of Clarke Gas Engine Company in the March 2002 issue of GEM) Opportunities like this are once in a life time, and it really would be something to have the chance to add to the literature of the history of engines and share it with everyone else in the hobby. The bad part for me is, for the first time since becoming editor of GEM, I won't be in Portland! Probably a relief for some, but it's not making me happy. Since I won't be able to take photos or notes, Keith, can you or anyone else take notes, get photos and otherwise fill in the blanks so we can share this with the rest of the old-iron community? -- Richard S. Backus Editor-in-Chief/Farm Collectibles Farm Collector, Farm Collector Show Directory, Gas Engine Magazine and Steam Traction 1503 SW 42nd St. Topeka, KS 66609-1265 Phone: 785-274-4383 Fax: 785-274-4305 http://www.ogdenpubs.com http://www.farmcollector.com > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:00:09 -0400 > To: > Subject: SEL Digest, Vol 17, Issue 18 > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:03:07 -0500 > From: Keith Kinney > Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > To: The SEL email discussion list > Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Message-ID: > <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8 at mail.herculesengines.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, > the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until the > mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 engines. With > Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in the Clarke Gas > Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. > > In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one > of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort > Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him > several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good information > about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just finished > restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see if he > would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. His > comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you have > done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a nice web > page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He even mailed > me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke factory. As > you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been able to locate > about a dozen or so Clarke engines. > > Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that > he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we > could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland > show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited him > to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 > Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) > > There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the > factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent > opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that > experience. Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to > ask him any questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas > engine factory. > > To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page > about them: > http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm > > Thanks. > Keith From kkinney at herculesengines.com Thu Aug 18 08:55:45 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:55:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland In-Reply-To: <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <03ca01c5a37c$21d1d8c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6.2.1.2.0.20050817213019.020490d8@mail.herculesengines.com> <005001c5a3ad$b34b3f90$7af0af40@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050818105517.04a73408@mail.herculesengines.com> No connection that I've been able to identify. Keith At 11:31 PM 8/17/2005, you wrote: >I wonder if there is any connection with the Clarke-Troller canoe motors >(Small outboards) of Detroit Mich. Same spelling same time period I think. > >Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, >The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca >Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc >Collector of cool antique engines >Website; scrapologist.com >Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Kinney" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:03 PM >Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland > > >>In 1898 two brothers opened a gas engine factory in Evansville, Indiana, >>the Clarke Gas Engine Company. They made mostly marine engines until >>the mid-1930. It is estimated that they only made about 300 >>engines. With Evansville being my hometown, I have a special interest in >>the Clarke Gas Engines and have 5 of them in our collection. >> >>In doing research about the history of the company I found the son of one >>of the founders still living, Berry Clarke. He currently lives in Fort >>Wayne, Indiana which is about an hour north of Portland. I contacted him >>several years ago and during a visit with him got a lot of good >>information about the company. He had a 4 HP Clarke engine that we just >>finished restoring for him. With the engine now complete I called to see >>if he would be interested in coming to Portland to pick up the engine. >>His comment was something like this... "Since I'm 82 years old and you >>have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a >>nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it". He >>even mailed me an original Schebler carburetor left over from the Clarke >>factory. As you can imagine I was thrilled. To date we've only been >>able to locate about a dozen or so Clarke engines. >> >>Here's where the special treat for Portland comes in. He indicated that >>he'd like to visit Evansville sometime and see the engine. I told him we >>could do better than that and I have invited him to come to the Portland >>show to see the engine. He is excited to do so and I have also invited >>him to be our guest at the Thursday evening dinner at the Back 40 >>Junction. (Dave, put me down for about 6 for the dinner.) >> >>There are not many people remaining who grew up and worked around the >>factories that built the engines we collect. This will be an excellent >>opportunity to get to meet and talk to someone who lived that experience. >>Please make a point to introduce yourselves and fill free to ask him any >>questions you might have about life around an early 1900's gas engine factory. >> >>To learn more about the company and engines here is a link to my web page >>about them: >>http://www.herculesengines.com/clarke/index.htm >> >>Thanks. >>Keith >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 13:24:09 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:24:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Galloway Ignitor Help Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm going to go ahead and see if I can use the existing points. I'll clean them up and get some new mica washers and a new ignitor spring while at Portland. Thanks Everybody. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: "Richard Strobel" > >Regarding the sleeve Luke, I know what your're talking about..Gawd knows >why >they would sleeve the stationary ignitor shaft. One would think if >anything, >they'd have sleeved the moveable one. I don't have a clue why the >slots....never seen them > > As far a contacts go..if there's any meat left, I dress them up and >live >with it..If replacing, I've heard of using everything from stainless steel >rivets to nails. > > Hope this helps a little!! > >RickinMt. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" > > > Hello Everybody, > > > > I'm working a little bit on my 5hp Galloway round rod. The moveable >shaft > > in > > the ignitor was stuck so I took it off the engine, removed what I could > > and > > put it in an electrolysis bath for a bit. Was then able to remove the > > moveable shaft and the rest of the pieces. I know I need a new ignitor > > spring and mica washers. The stationary shaft is probably useable. I'm >not > > sure if I'll make a new one yet or not. > > > > The points have me scratching my head though. On the moveable shaft the > > point looks like it is part of the cast piece. It doesn't appear to be > > soldered on. I'm not sure what to do with it. File it flat and use it? > > Drill > > it out and replace it? > > > > On the stationary shaft the point looks like a sleeve that was slid onto > > the > > end of the shaft, then the shaft peened over to hold it on. On this > > 'sleeve' > > there are two depressions. One is deep and the other is shallow. Why are > > there two of them? When I took it apart the shallow depression was >lining > > up > > with the point on the moveable shaft. It appears that I can clean this > > 'sleeve' up really good and possibly use it. Pictures of the ignitor >and > > points can be seen here: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/galloway/galloway.html > > > > Any suggestions, comments, ideas, tips????? > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Thu Aug 18 14:13:42 2005 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:13:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland References: <005201c5a366$e7670fd0$61a52f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> <6.1.2.0.0.20050817203817.03fe6380@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000e01c5a439$b83947e0$82942f50@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Dave, Old age must be catching up with you I said NEXT YEAR in the post that I sent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Baraboo/Portland > I'll be doG damned. You and Nev are coming all this way and you have not > told me that you will be at the ATIS dinner and Charity Auction on > Thursday of Portland? Why would you come all this way if you are not going > to be at the dinner? > Dave >>Hi All, >> Hope everything is set for the two events,as I have been >> sitting reading all the coments about both and reflecting on last years >> trip at the same time. >> Hope to be crossing the pond next year with Nev to attend >> Portland . All that I can say is that I sincerly hope your new plot >> doesn't include the water feature this year. Wondered after last year if >> the list has to pay some sort of fee to be allowed to show a water >> feature in there plot. >> >> Best wishes for a good time and even better weather >> Craig in a not so suuny Scotalnd > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 18 18:30:07 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:30:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 14 HP Kohler - Help Message-ID: <002601c5a45d$90018660$230110ac@PAUL> Hey gang I have a 14 HP Kohler engine on a Snapper Lawnmower that is about 7 years old. When you go to start it the starter just spins like a high pitch airplane propeller but it will not turn the engine over. I am assuming this is like a car starter and that it has a starter bendix that is bad or is there something else it could be. Appreciate any suggestions. This is my son's lawnmower and he just called me tonight and I guess I will go out tomorrow and see what I can so to get it going. Paul From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 19 18:11:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:11:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000901c5a524$2098aed0$039881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 20 02:26:36 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:26:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 30-50 HP slow-speed gas engine Message-ID: <4306F74B.307@comcast.net> I'd like to build my stepson a small ORV.My dimensions are 77" Wide x 132" Long x 6' or so High. I'd like an all Cast-Iron,slow-speed,gas engine of approximately 30-50 Horsepower. Something with a medium-sized flywheel would be fine. This will be a downsized pickup truck-style.He's mentally impaired,and has Cystic Fibrosis,has a quad runner at his dad's...he drives very slowly.Of course, I'll put a speed limiter on it. My idea is to mate this engine to an All-Wheel Drive with locking axles, and automatic transmission. Both front and rear-wheel steering would be great. I'm open to ideas,and please no sarcasm....this is legit. Thanks From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Aug 20 11:58:24 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:58:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Special Treat for Portland Message-ID: <45.2eaf78bc.3038d750@aol.com> In a message dated 8/18/2005 12:15:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kkinney at herculesengines.com writes: << Since I'm 82 years old and you have done all the work to restore the engine, and since you have such a nice web page about the Clarke engines, why don't you just keep it >> Life does not get much better than that! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Aug 20 12:54:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:54:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lister engine Message-ID: <43078A8A.8000108@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got this in the inbox. > My father passed away last year and during our sort out of his > collection of mechanical bits we came across a Lister motor. > The information, that we can see on it, is: > 418 SL 110 > HP 3-6 > R RM 1500 Any info on this engine would be apprecaiated. Reply to me and I'll pass the info along. Thanks! Jeff Allen From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 20 16:55:17 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 19:55:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Message-ID: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially our friends from outside the states)? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Aug 21 05:16:18 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:16:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938 Message-ID: <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> Bloody quiet Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [SEL] test > > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Aug 21 05:41:58 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:41:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: <43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) Paul cam grundy wrote: > Bloody quiet Peter -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 21 05:52:55 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:52:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <003001c5a64f$407eb4c0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC and some say that is outside the States! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland > Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > our friends from outside the states)? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From reb at apex.net Sun Aug 21 06:20:40 2005 From: reb at apex.net (REB) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:20:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5a653$20fdd690$0202a8c0@Dads> Leaving in a little while here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 6:55 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland > Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > our friends from outside the states)? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Aug 21 06:55:41 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:55:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam> <43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... > the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) > Paul Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is going on!!! When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would let you start causing problems again. d8^) (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Aug 21 06:56:58 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:56:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> <003001c5a64f$407eb4c0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5a658$325c74a0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Just make sure the "Dr" brings his money bag not just his carpet bag. Us Yankees will be waiting for you guys. Charlie B. and Ralph Waters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC and > some > say that is outside the States! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] Portland > > >> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially >> our friends from outside the states)? >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 21 08:40:51 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:40:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> <003001c5a64f$407eb4c0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> <000b01c5a658$325c74a0$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <000e01c5a666$b62e74a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Golly-gee! You northern fellers sure are friendly and concerned with all our well being. Will 10,000 each and a change of clothes be enough, Uncle Charlie? MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > Just make sure the "Dr" brings his money bag not just his carpet bag. Us > Yankees > will be waiting for you guys. > > Charlie B. and Ralph Waters. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Royster" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > > > > The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC and > > some > > say that is outside the States! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Portland > > > > > >> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > >> our friends from outside the states)? > >> > >> Tommy Turner > >> Magnolia, KY > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 8/19/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 12:22:30 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:22:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# Message-ID: <200508211922.j7LJMZlv032354@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato ,Ca. 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Aug 21 12:23:24 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:23:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. Message-ID: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot Bryan Boyce From jrrowlands at neo.rr.com Sun Aug 21 13:09:29 2005 From: jrrowlands at neo.rr.com (Rick Rowlands) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:09:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RPM of Single Cyl. Tecumseh Engine Message-ID: <013501c5a68c$3cbe8bc0$64bed2cc@pengy> I have a single cylinder horizontal shaft Tecumseh engine from a Toro snowblower. What is the shaft RPM that I can expect to achieve with this engine. In the application that I am considering using it for the speed I need is around 1800 rpm. Thanks Rick From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Aug 21 15:46:40 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:46:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 14 HP Kohler - Help In-Reply-To: <002601c5a45d$90018660$230110ac@PAUL> References: <002601c5a45d$90018660$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050821154234.01b833d0@mail.pennswoods.net> Paul the starter is a lot like an auto starter bendix is replaceable. One item don't hit the side to see if it will help. You will break the fields or break them loose from the sides. If you have it apart put on a new brush end with bushing very easy to fix but not that easy to remove some times. R Fink PA. At 08:30 PM 8/18/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hey gang I have a 14 HP Kohler engine on a Snapper Lawnmower that is about >7 years old. When you go to start it the starter just spins like a high >pitch airplane propeller but it will not turn the engine over. I am >assuming this is like a car starter and that it has a starter bendix that >is bad or is there something else it could be. Appreciate any suggestions. >This is my son's lawnmower and he just called me tonight and I guess I >will go out tomorrow and see what I can so to get it going. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Aug 21 15:59:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:59:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> <001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. On the other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra Australis ...we did not change our ways that much!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > >> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... >> the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) >> Paul > > Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is going > on!!! > When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would > let you start causing problems again. d8^) > (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Aug 21 19:37:54 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:37:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RPM of Single Cyl. Tecumseh Engine References: <013501c5a68c$3cbe8bc0$64bed2cc@pengy> Message-ID: <00d901c5a6c2$81469540$30c87043@D6R3D961> It would be easy to reach 3600 rpm with this engine, you will need too throttle it down for 1800 rpm use Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Rowlands" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: [SEL] RPM of Single Cyl. Tecumseh Engine I have a single cylinder horizontal shaft Tecumseh engine from a Toro snowblower. What is the shaft RPM that I can expect to achieve with this engine. In the application that I am considering using it for the speed I need is around 1800 rpm. Thanks Rick _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Aug 21 20:23:55 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:23:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# Message-ID: <20050821.202355.720.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. Try this: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:22:30 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes: > Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 > Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato ,Ca. > 415 892 > 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 20:43:35 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:43:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# In-Reply-To: <20050821.202355.720.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200508220343.j7M3hd5D095212@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Until your better paid ,Thanks. Cya at Tulare! Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of rdhaskell at juno.com Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:24 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] FM. Ser# Hi Jim. Try this: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:22:30 -0700 "Jim O'Hagan" writes: > Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 > Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan ,Novato ,Ca. > 415 892 > 0236 > > > > Jim O'Hagan _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 21 20:44:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:44:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. and OT In-Reply-To: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> References: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> Message-ID: <43094A0F.3050208@earthlink.net> Hi Bill, Quick rule of thumb from someone that does this for a living. The wanna be mechanics and the ones that didn't make it can chime in later. Never bore over .030 on the cylinders, and even then you can have heating problems. You can get away with .020 on the crank, but I prefer no more than .010 under. Stock 454 is one cheap horsepower engine, and the above limits should work fine. Add $5000 and you'll be in the 500 c.i. range with custom cranks, etc. Glad to help more off list if you need. The above limits are what I use and the engines live. Custom turbo Corvette, 7:1 turbo pistons, and it put you sideways when you hammered second gear. Been a day or two but I can still drive em and counter steer when they want to swap ends. Yi Haa!! Gettin to old for that sh*t. I think my recommendations are good. Jeff Allen P.S. off list, whats it in? Bill Boyce wrote: >Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot > >Bryan Boyce >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Aug 21 20:44:31 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:44:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# In-Reply-To: <200508211922.j7LJMZlv032354@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200508220344.j7M3id0J095527@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Jim, Denis Rouleau keeps a list of pre-1911 serial numbers. Go here: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/buzzcoil/page17.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim O'Hagan [mailto:jdohagan at comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:23 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: [SEL] FM. Ser# > > Hi, Is there anyone left who could tell me where to find the pre1911 > Fairbanks ser.# list? Thanks in advance, Jimmy O'Hagan > ,Novato ,Ca. 415 892 > 0236 From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Aug 21 21:18:14 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:18:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. In-Reply-To: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> Message-ID: <200508220418.j7M4IIE2005161@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Bill, TRW/Federal Mogul Cat. Lists Std. through .060 replacement pistons. Let your conscience be your guide! Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:23 PM To: stationary engine list Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot Bryan Boyce _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Aug 21 20:25:59 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:25:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> References: <4307C2E5.2040509@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <430945C7.4060909@fidnet.com> We'll be headed out in the morning from the Ozarks. Is that far enough outside the states? Gary Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it (especially > our friends from outside the states)? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Aug 22 02:33:43 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:33:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Can you save these big Rustons? Message-ID: <43099BF7.1010502@steamengine.com.au> http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/sale/ruston/index.html Two Ruston engines seeking new home Save one or both of these engines from scrap! Are you a member of a club with a decent amount of space and resources to move these engines? Or maybe an individual who could do it? Then SAVE them!! Contact Peter Ganza pganza at hillgrove.straits.com.au for more information. The two are located at Hillgrove mine site near Armidale NSW and were put in to supply power to one of the undergrounds before mains power was connected. They actually never performed that duty as mains arrived soon after installing these (so I've been told). They have always been under cover and with a little work will run (again so I've been told by some of the older fellows on site). Have attached some photos (sorry about the blurry one). If you know of any interested persons, please let me know and we can organise a viewing. My contact number is 02 6778 1154. Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Aug 22 05:25:11 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. In-Reply-To: <200508220418.j7M4IIE2005161@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <000801c5a685$cd1d2e30$7d341d48@BillyBob> <200508220418.j7M4IIE2005161@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4940.165.206.180.102.1124713511.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Have a machine shop check the block - watch for core shift. I'd limit it to .030 without it being checked, if they check and say it's ok, you can go more. Some blocks you are pushing it at .030 if the walls are thin. You CAN thicken the walls a bit - there is a trick you can use - a substance to pour in the block and allow you to bore more. I've seen SBC's seep water at only .040 over due to thin cylinder walls, so it actually varies from block to block. For our cars, we limit to .030-.040. We sleeve above that. Sleeving is cheap and can get you back in specs fast. I've seen some 390's and 401's go up to .060 over, but I'd not do it. Mine is .040 with one sleeve and custom pistons. The nominal or sweet spot seems to be .040 for us. Almost all after-market pistons are sold at .040. Our blocks are pretty solid and are of high nickel content. They take abuse pretty well. Our 390 and 401 cranks are forged and withstand 7,000 rpm easily with short bursts to 8,000 to 9,000 rpm. We've got no problem with .020 cranks. If you polish off any rough spots and use an oil wiper, you can go faster. Polish and shot-peen the rods and they'll withstand a lot. Be sure to replace the rod, main and head bolts if you have any doubts. A lot of folks like the ARP bolts. I estimate my AMC 390 is cranking 350 hp and it's a cheap non-trick rebuild using mostly stock parts, except for the pistons and cam. I did it all for about 3 grand. A lot depends on what you are looking for - what do you want it to do? I wanted toss you in the back seat torque and second gear rubber with the stock tranny and converter - and got it. The torque links keep the back end planted firmly. Bill > Hi Bill, TRW/Federal Mogul Cat. Lists Std. through .060 replacement > pistons. Let your conscience be your guide! > > Jim O'Hagan > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyce > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:23 PM > To: stationary engine list > Subject: [SEL] 454 engine specs. > > Hey guys,,,I'm getting ready to start a rebuild on a 454 chevrolet and was > wondering if anyone knew the maximum limits for the bore, and crank > journals,,,,i've never done a big block and need some help,,,,thanks a lot > > Bryan Boyce > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 22 06:32:37 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:32:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: 108143938 <006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au> <001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: Kinda like Georgia. John On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:59 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and > Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the > Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. > On the > other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra > Australis > ...we did not change our ways that much!!! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Aug 22 07:21:52 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:21:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland In-Reply-To: <000e01c5a666$b62e74a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, Tell Uncle Ralph to bring some of his exotic Maine iron collection to share with us southern boys! Steve >From: "Mike Royster" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland >Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:40:51 -0400 > >Golly-gee! You northern fellers sure are friendly and concerned with all >our well being. Will 10,000 each and a change of clothes be enough, Uncle >Charlie? > >MR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Charles R Bryant" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:56 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > > > > Just make sure the "Dr" brings his money bag not just his carpet bag. Us > > Yankees > > will be waiting for you guys. > > > > Charlie B. and Ralph Waters. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Royster" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 8:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland > > > > > > > The Royster boys will be there along with Dr. Bird. We are from NC >and > > > some > > > say that is outside the States! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:55 PM > > > Subject: [SEL] Portland > > > > > > > > >> Portland bound in a few days. Who will be able to make it >(especially > > >> our friends from outside the states)? > > >> > > >> Tommy Turner > > >> Magnolia, KY > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SEL mailing list > > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: >8/19/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: >8/19/2005 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 22 09:59:35 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:59:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland Message-ID: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> See http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/onslow.htm This is the website for the Salop Steam Engine society. There are many pictures & even more if you search in the other sections. (Richard Huelin tipped off the UK list about this) It shows the vast range of exhibits & crafts at a British steam rally!. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Mon Aug 22 10:40:59 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:40:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland In-Reply-To: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <430A0E2B.6090205@imc-group.com> Dave, Stanley Steamers? or something close? http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/showpics/pic%20(37).gif Curt Holland Itchin' to leave for Portland..... Dave Croft wrote: >See http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/onslow.htm >This is the website for the Salop Steam Engine society. >There are many pictures & even more if you search in the >other sections. >(Richard Huelin tipped off the UK list about this) >It shows the vast range of exhibits & crafts at a British steam rally!. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Aug 22 12:40:10 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:40:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland References: <001301c5a73a$e16806c0$fa4c1152@no1> <430A0E2B.6090205@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003c01c5a751$501bdcc0$fa4c1152@no1> Hi Curt, You are most probably right, we usually get a few steam cars at our better shows. A few years ago I was lucky enough to be at Upton on Severn steam show when all the steam car drivers of Britain decided to meet there. It was a fantastic weekend. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Some pictures for those who are not on the way to Portland > Dave, > Stanley Steamers? or something close? > > http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/showpics/pic%20(37).gif > > Curt Holland > Itchin' to leave for Portland..... > > Dave Croft wrote: > > >See http://www.steaminsalop.co.uk/onslow.htm > >This is the website for the Salop Steam Engine society. > >There are many pictures & even more if you search in the > >other sections. > >(Richard Huelin tipped off the UK list about this) > >It shows the vast range of exhibits & crafts at a British steam rally!. > >Dave Croft > >Warrington > >England > >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Aug 22 17:17:55 2005 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:17:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938<006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au><001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1> <000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000e01c5a778$1e206200$0201a8c0@mycomputer> Peter and List; Dave Rotigel , Arnie Fero amd a few more Just left the Badger Steam and Gas Show in Baraboo Wisconsin and are headed twoard Portland , Dave and Arnie brought their Bessmer half breed 10 Hp , A real nice running engine , I saw Dave sitting under the sun shelter taking lots of notes , I think he was trying to jog down some insults for the aussies just in case they tried to dominate the list while he is away so look out ! he will be back !! :-)) Arnie had his Bamford here (a very neat engine) and the list had over 40 engines in Our 80"x 100 ' lot (aprox) I had & engine and my Horseless Carraige I built last month using Jimmy Woods Plans out of GEM magazine, we all had a great time even though I had a touch of somthing like the flu, Looking forward to more list members next year and Ive heard the club said we can have more realestate next year , Ok you Aussies be careful what you say cause were back and some of us americans can read :-))) ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and > Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the > Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. On the > other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra Australis > ...we did not change our ways that much!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Croft" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > > > > >> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our chance... > >> the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) > >> Paul > > > > Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is going > > on!!! > > When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would > > let you start causing problems again. d8^) > > (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) > > Dave Croft > > Warrington > > England > > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jnyost at yahoo.com Mon Aug 22 17:29:40 2005 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] 4 hp Associated Message-ID: <20050823002940.16108.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> SEL, Does anyone have a pic of a 4 hp Associated? What are they worth in good condition on trucks? Thanks, Jim Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Aug 22 19:31:43 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:31:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test References: 108143938<006a01c5a64a$23057c80$0301a8c0@Cam><43087696.3020700@steamengine.com.au><001201c5a658$06008f40$fa4c1152@no1><000601c5a6a4$00299660$839781cb@ogborneuah38i3> <000e01c5a778$1e206200$0201a8c0@mycomputer> Message-ID: <00fe01c5a78b$2233a5b0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> That sounds to me like Arnie has got the Halfbreed going at last. When he got it his lady made him hide "That ugly thing" round the back of the barn so she didnt have to look at it! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!! VBG Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] test > Peter and List; > > Dave Rotigel , Arnie Fero amd a few more Just left the Badger Steam > and Gas Show in Baraboo Wisconsin and are headed twoard Portland , Dave > and > Arnie brought their Bessmer half breed 10 Hp , A real nice running engine > , > I saw Dave sitting under the sun shelter taking lots of notes , I think he > was trying to jog down some insults for the aussies just in case they > tried > to dominate the list while he is away so look out ! he will be back !! > :-)) > Arnie had his Bamford here (a very neat engine) and the list had over 40 > engines in Our 80"x 100 ' lot (aprox) I had & engine and my Horseless > Carraige I built last month using Jimmy Woods Plans out of GEM magazine, > we > all had a great time even though I had a touch of somthing like the flu, > Looking forward to more list members next year and Ive heard the club > said we can have more realestate next year , > Ok you Aussies be careful what you say cause were back and some of > us americans can read :-))) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test > > >> Dave ,you know that the makeup of the original settlers to the US and >> Australia were very different. All the puritanical types caught the >> Mayflower at Plymouth and continued that lifestyle in their new land. On > the >> other hand all the bad bastards in the Old Dart were sent to Terra > Australis >> ...we did not change our ways that much!!! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Croft" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] test >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Paul Pavlinovich" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 1:41 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] test >> > >> > >> >> They're all off to Portland (bastards!!)... this gives us our >> >> chance... >> >> the Aussies can take over the list - world domination :) >> >> Paul >> > >> > Hey Paul, there are still a few poor English people watching what is > going >> > on!!! >> > When we shipped you lot out there we didn't know computers would >> > let you start causing problems again. d8^) >> > (PS A large amount of Engine Strine gets talked on Skype these days) >> > Dave Croft >> > Warrington >> > England >> > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Thu Aug 25 20:33:04 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:33:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> Haven't received any messages for a few days. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From yostsw at atis.net Thu Aug 25 20:36:41 2005 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:36:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland Message-ID: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> Sorry for the outage for thelast few days, but I had a total server meltdown. The web site has been up since yesterday, but problems with mailman/sendmail have left the lists down a bit longer. Anyways, no data was lost so all is well. The Portland gang has been calling me everyday to rub in how wonderful the show is, and how great the weather is. With friends like that, who needs enemies (-; They did want me to tell everyone that the ATIS tractor display area, which is always the gathering spot for the Friday morning get together, has moved to the new area of the show grounds, which is the southeast corner of the show. This is near the horse barn and track. Y'all enjoy the show tomorrow and sorry again for the outage, Spencer From MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net Thu Aug 25 20:56:12 2005 From: MarkShattuck at Ntelos.Net (Mark L Shattuck) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:56:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test OT In-Reply-To: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> References: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> Message-ID: <430E92DC.2060106@Ntelos.Net> Hey Francis got you test mesg .. I can't wait to see the Portland pictures 2005 Mark L Shattuck Shenandoah Valley Va Waynesboro From bmvid at snet.net Fri Aug 26 03:17:09 2005 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:17:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> Thanks Spencer, I was begining to think I was the only one on the list that didn't go to Portland! Is the oldengine.org list still up and running. I haven't seen any mail from them or slick willy either. Mick Spencer Yost wrote: > Sorry for the outage for thelast few days, but I had a total server > meltdown. The web site has been up since yesterday, but problems with > mailman/sendmail have left the lists down a bit longer. > > Anyways, no data was lost so all is well. The Portland gang has been > calling me everyday to rub in how wonderful the show is, and how great the > weather is. With friends like that, who needs enemies (-; > > They did want me to tell everyone that the ATIS tractor display area, which > is always the gathering spot for the Friday morning get together, has moved > to the new area of the show grounds, which is the southeast corner of the > show. This is near the horse barn and track. > > Y'all enjoy the show tomorrow and sorry again for the outage, > > Spencer > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Aug 26 03:25:14 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:25:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> Message-ID: <016501c5aa28$73545e90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hi Mick. This silence is an annual thing. Portlanditis !! All will return to normal in time for 'Cabin fever' to rear its head! And so it goes!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mick DeMaria" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Outage and Portland > Thanks Spencer, I was begining to think I was the only one on the list > that didn't go to Portland! > Is the oldengine.org list still up and running. I haven't seen any mail > from them or slick willy either. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 26 04:43:11 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT Message-ID: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM > Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > > >>I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect spelling] >>in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet connection via the >>power grid. To all accounts it was successful. This would have great >>implications for our Australian Telstra as their copper system would not >>be needed. Most Australian towns are connected to the power grid ,so the >>inferstructure is already installed. If it is a goer then watch out >>Telstra shares! >> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was it >> Gene Tunney? >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 05:40:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:40:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> On 8/26/05, Spencer Yost wrote: > Sorry for the outage for thelast few days, but I had a total server > meltdown. The web site has been up since yesterday, but problems with > mailman/sendmail have left the lists down a bit longer. > > Anyways, no data was lost so all is well. The Portland gang has been > calling me everyday to rub in how wonderful the show is, and how great the > weather is. With friends like that, who needs enemies (-; > > They did want me to tell everyone that the ATIS tractor display area, which > is always the gathering spot for the Friday morning get together, has moved > to the new area of the show grounds, which is the southeast corner of the > show. This is near the horse barn and track. > > Y'all enjoy the show tomorrow and sorry again for the outage, > > Spencer > Sorry you couldn't be there, Spencer, we all missed you. The Charity Dinner went very well, the auction was really funny with Glenn Karch doing his auctioneer service very effectively! The show has been very good, we both got foot fatigue through walking the stalls and engine areas and taking pictures for our website later on. The problem with the SEL site was mentioned at our table last evening, we had the Roysters and Arnie with us, the meal was excellent as always. One more day today, and then we go to the USAF museum on Saturday, fly back very early Sunday, home late Sunday night. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Aug 26 06:23:52 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <430EEC25.5070504@snet.net> Message-ID: <430F17E8.9080203@wowway.com> Mick DeMaria wrote: > Thanks Spencer, I was begining to think I was the only one on the list > that didn't go to Portland! > Is the oldengine.org list still up and running. I haven't seen any mail > from them or slick willy either. > > Mick Mick, now you know who your friends REALLY are...some have just gone off & left us!!! -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Aug 26 09:12:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:12:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland In-Reply-To: <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d6cbbe38b33feabdfe222e0c6acd4dc@chartertn.net> > The problem with the SEL site was mentioned at our table last evening, > we had the Roysters and Arnie with us The Roysters and Arnie problem has always been there, but we managed to get by OK with it in the past. Keep a stiff upper lip! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri Aug 26 13:25:32 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:25:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no free ride. The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users of the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably will cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the frequencies used by the broadband network. Once broadband is established, there is no way to shut it off in the middle of a natural or manmade disaster when the lack of health and welfare communications is deadly. The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. Be careful. On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 "peter ogborne" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > > To: > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM > Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "peter ogborne" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>>I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. >>>This would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as >>>their copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are >>>connected to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already >>>installed. If it is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was >>>it >>> Gene Tunney? >>> Peter Ogborne >>> Little Grove ,Albany >>> West Australia >>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Aug 25 09:55:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:55:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: HOWT 2005 References: Message-ID: <001501c5a995$de6ffe70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi George, Man, that's a real HOWT what you're planning to do. Hope you and John Billing have a very good time and for us poor home stayers make some nice shots of these great engines you will see there. Bon voyage, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web I wasn't able to make it to the Portland show this year, but that enabled me to go on another trip. This trip started out as a trip to the Rollag show which is one I've wanted to see for decades (I've always like the early prairie tractors), plus they're having the Otto engine expo this year. Like most of my trips, this one expanded significantly to include as many collections as possible and make sure that it turns into a HOWT. Here's the current plan: I'll leave home tomorrow (Friday) evening around 8pm, pulling my trailer, to meet up with John Billing at his home in Washington about 170 miles away. At John's place we'll hook my trailer (already loaded with a large set of F-M trucks (15hp N size)) to John's pickup. I've already got 160+k on my pickup and John's is only 2 months old, so we'll put the mileage on his pickup and break it in right! Hopefully, we'll be out of his place before midnight. Saturday morning we're scheduled to pick up a engine in Hamilton Montana to be delivered to Minnesota. Saturday afternoon we'll be in Idaho Falls Idaho to pick up some engine parts to be delivered to Nebraska. Saturday evening, if we can make it to Salt Lake City in time, we'll visit a collector there. Sunday afternoon, we'll be in Craig Colorado to pick up a engine John bought. Sunday evening, we hope to make it to Sydney Nebraska to spend the night. Monday we're in Nebraska for the whole day, we'll visit four collectors near Sydney, Funk, and Waverly, ending up near Omaha. We'll also drop off the FM trucks and the engine parts from Idaho. Maybe buy a few engine carts while in Nebraska. Tuesday, we'll go to Cedar Rapids to pick up some more engine stuff for John, plus go visit another collector in Dunkerton Iowa, then drive up to Minnesota and spend the night around Rochester. Wednesday morning we'll drop off the engine we picked up in Montana, then visit a couple more collections and pick up a engine on our way up to Rollag. Thursday and Friday we'll be at the Rollag show!!! Friday evening we hit the road again and drive across North Dakota during the night (Paul Pavlinovich did this with me years ago) so we can be in Montana Saturday morning. Saturday, visit collectors in Montana and should be in Missoula to spend the night. Sunday, drive back home. Might work in a collection or two along the route, but we might be tired enough to just want to get back home. Monday (Labor Day) try to rest up so I can be back at work on Tuesday. Sounds like fun doesn't it??? ;-) Wonder why its called a Hell On Wheels Tour? To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Aug 26 14:07:56 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:07:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT Message-ID: <20.4babd6b4.3040deac@aol.com> Peter, Here is some information on our local electric coop and broadband over the electric lines. I think it is $100 for the initial in house equipment and then $30/month after. It is just starting with our electric company and will take some time for it to reach all of us provided it proves to operate satisfactory. It is the only hope we have for high speed in our rural area except for satellite and that is more expensive. Will just have to settle for our country dial up lines for now. http://www.forcvec.com/bplcoop/ Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Aug 26 16:24:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 07:24:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001e01c5aa95$65876bf0$ba9f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Tom for that interesting and different view of Broadband .At the moment I can only have Dialup and that's fine . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 4:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband > communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no > free ride. > > The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users of > the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably will > cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other > commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the frequencies > used by the broadband network. Once broadband is established, there is no > way to shut it off in the middle of a natural or manmade disaster when the > lack of health and welfare communications is deadly. > > The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative > effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just a > nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a > natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests > communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in > disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. > > Be careful. > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 > "peter ogborne" wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "peter ogborne" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>>I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>>spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>>connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. This >>>>would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as their copper >>>>system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are connected to the >>>>power grid ,so the inferstructure is already installed. If it is a goer >>>>then watch out Telstra shares! >>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was it >>>> Gene Tunney? >>>> Peter Ogborne >>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>> West Australia >>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Aug 26 18:01:57 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:01:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Message-ID: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> While our northern engine cousins are off enjoying themselves at Portland we can only sit in envy :( BUT it is only a week to the Rusty Iron rally where I hope to see quite a few Aussie list members. I already have one engine loaded and will get the others ready this week. See you all there! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 26 19:43:32 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:43:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt Message-ID: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Aug 26 20:19:07 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:19:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <430FDBAB.9040008@steamengine.com.au> Hi Tom - I've worked on RF projects several times in my working lifetime, and honestly - where did you get your information on broadband? For a start "broadband" is a very general category and covers hundreds of different transmission methods from copper based land lines, through radio, microwave, satellite and other mechanisms. You sound like the kind of person who does not have a microwave in their house because of the radiation it gives off (less than the power wires within your walls for those of you that are wondering!). The wireless methods (802.11g, 900MHz spread spectrum, and 2.4GHz spread spectrum) are the only methods likely to interfere with other RF users and they're carefully set up so that if they did interfere it would be minimal - this is ensured by the 1 watt transmission power of base stations - this only carries about 300' reliably! Even if every single house installed it it would be no different to every house having a digital cordless phone which happen to use the same frequences plus a couple of others. The satellite based methods bathe most of the planet in the same microwave transmissions used by cable TV and plain old concentrated communications. Broadband via Satellite is just another concentrated digital packet transmission - it just happens to be a little more personally addressed but it is still blanketted to everyone in that satellites footprint. None of the broadband methods I've encountered will interfere in emergency communications in any way. It is a bit like using a mobile phone at a fuel station - it will NOT set fire to your car :)... Urban legends, what would we talk about around the beer circle without them! Paul Tom Smith wrote: > You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband > communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no > free ride. > > The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users > of the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably > will cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other > commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the > frequencies used by the broadband network. Once broadband is > established, there is no way to shut it off in the middle of a natural > or manmade disaster when the lack of health and welfare communications > is deadly. > > The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative > effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just > a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a > natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests > communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in > disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. > > Be careful. > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 > "peter ogborne" wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>> I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>> spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>> connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. >>>> This would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as >>>> their copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are >>>> connected to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already >>>> installed. If it is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was >>>> it Gene Tunney? >>>> Peter Ogborne >>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>> West Australia >>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Aug 26 20:20:23 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 13:20:23 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> References: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <430FDBF7.9050003@steamengine.com.au> Why wait? I'm off to the Wedderburn Twihlight Rally shortly... I'll get there a little while before it starts to get dark. Perfect for an evening of photos :) Paul Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > While our northern engine cousins are off enjoying themselves at Portland we > can only sit in envy :( BUT it is only a week to the Rusty Iron rally where > I hope to see quite a few Aussie list members. I already have one engine > loaded and will get the others ready this week. > See you all there! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 From brianne at ultratune.com.au Fri Aug 26 23:53:47 2005 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:53:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter Message-ID: <00b001c5aad4$13a164a0$d554dccb@brian> Hi Guys We have decided to resurrect the Allis Chalmers 6 volt starting system (Damaged at some earlier stage by someone applying 12 volts to system) and have acquired a new 6V battery. The starter was supposedly overhauled by someone, but appears to have a bent shaft as it will only rotate slowly (off the tractor, on the bench). If I slacken the 2 through bolts until only just snug, motor frees up and rotates fast.I have checked end float..all ok. I have linished the 2 shaft bearing surfaces..plenty of clearance. Has anyone had any success straightening bent starter shafts? Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness QLD Australia From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 01:37:28 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <43102648.2030105@comcast.net> Amen to that,Tom. Do a google search for "ARRL" and you will see a fantastic struggle between Amatuer Radio Operators (Ham's),and the FCC. Europe is paying dearly for it's BPL system(s).In the USA, FEMA is on record opposing BPL as it "renders communications impossible" in an emergency. Can you imagine a Broadband-Over-Powerline system that covers even 1/3 of a country? All "Over-the air" reception would suffer horribly.We're talking cordless telephones, Cell phones (as if they already didn't have enough problems),AM (Medium-Wave),F.M.,Short-Wave,Television.... BPL is Government sanctioned Pollution! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tom Smith wrote: > You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband > communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is > no free ride. > > The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users > of the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and > probably will cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, > and other commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of > the frequencies used by the broadband network. Once broadband is > established, there is no way to shut it off in the middle of a natural > or manmade disaster when the lack of health and welfare communications > is deadly. > > The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very > negative effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average > day is just a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and > property in a natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare > requests communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our > lives in disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. > > Be careful. > > > > On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 > "peter ogborne" wrote: > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>> I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>> spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>> connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. >>>> This would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as >>>> their copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are >>>> connected to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already >>>> installed. If it is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or >>>> Was it Gene Tunney? >>>> Peter Ogborne >>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>> West Australia >>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 01:40:43 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:40:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT In-Reply-To: <20.4babd6b4.3040deac@aol.com> References: <20.4babd6b4.3040deac@aol.com> Message-ID: <4310270B.7060706@comcast.net> Wow.I'm shocked that the FCC is even allowing this 'service' to go ahead.......EVERY test site I've read about has been shut down due to interference problems with other users of the spectrum, which CANNOT,given today's technology;be rectified.Unbelieveable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >Peter, > >Here is some information on our local electric coop and broadband over the >electric lines. I think it is $100 for the initial in house equipment and then >$30/month after. It is just starting with our electric company and will take >some time for it to reach all of us provided it proves to operate >satisfactory. It is the only hope we have for high speed in our rural area except for >satellite and that is more expensive. Will just have to settle for our country >dial up lines for now. > >http://www.forcvec.com/bplcoop/ > > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Aug 27 01:45:03 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (Michael P. Koryciak) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:45:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4310280F.1040309@comcast.net> Do a google for small parts,inc. They carry all kinds of small belting,adjustable-size belts, bearings,rod,tubing....you name it, they probably sell it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Maples wrote: >Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Aug 27 03:04:30 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:04:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter In-Reply-To: <00b001c5aad4$13a164a0$d554dccb@brian> Message-ID: <200508271004.j7RA4lgG088148@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I think whether you can straighten it or not depends on where it id bent. Take it out and spin it between centres in a lathe or even mount it in a couple of V blocks. Use a dial gauge to find where the bend is Ray Freeman -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Taylor Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2005 2:54 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter Hi Guys We have decided to resurrect the Allis Chalmers 6 volt starting system (Damaged at some earlier stage by someone applying 12 volts to system) and have acquired a new 6V battery. The starter was supposedly overhauled by someone, but appears to have a bent shaft as it will only rotate slowly (off the tractor, on the bench). If I slacken the 2 through bolts until only just snug, motor frees up and rotates fast.I have checked end float..all ok. I have linished the 2 shaft bearing surfaces..plenty of clearance. Has anyone had any success straightening bent starter shafts? Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness QLD Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Aug 27 03:07:54 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 05:07:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas , Virginia, USA, a bit OT References: <002d01c5aa33$5b63d350$759481cb@ogborneuah38i3> <430FDBAB.9040008@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003b01c5aaef$317c42e0$3f86b4ce@toms> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" Subject: Re: [SEL] Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT > For a start "broadband" is a very general category and covers hundreds of > different transmission methods from copper based land lines, through > radio, microwave, satellite and other mechanisms. Paul, Thanks for the email and sharing your experience. The main concern seems to be interference from the power line grid that is used worldwide for electric power distribution. > You sound like the kind of person who does not have a microwave in their > house because of the radiation it gives off (less than the power wires > within your walls for those of you that are wondering!). I can assure you that I do have a microwave oven and other radiation creating appliances in my house that do indeed cause less radiation than the "power wires". These "power wires" actually do generate a lot of radiation so stating that these devises put out less radiation is not saying much. The difference is, the frequency and radiation levels is generally such that they don't cause interference with other services. I say generally because some of these devices do cause interference but can be dealt with by turning off the offending appliance when it causes objectional interference. This isn't possible with a broadband powerline source. > this only carries about 300' reliably! Even if every single house > installed it it would be no different to every house having a digital > cordless phone which happen to use the same frequences plus a couple of > others. I can also assure you that a source of radiation interference within 300' is more than enough to cause hugh problems when trying to receive the generally extremely low level signals of a distress call from a area that has no main line power and is relying on a small power generator or a battery for power (which is the case in most of these disaster situations). A radio set up to receive these signals is much closer than 300' (usually within inches) of the communications gear because it uses the powerline itself. > None of the broadband methods I've encountered will interfere in emergency > communications in any way. It is a bit like using a mobile phone at a fuel > station - it will NOT set fire to your car :)... Urban legends, what would > we talk about around the beer circle without them! I beg to differ with you on your opinion that no interference will be caused with emergency communication. I'll ask you for the source of that statement. Maybe the key to your statement is "methods I've encountered". Is it possible that you haven't fully tested this? It has been proven with studies conducted by FEMA, ARRL and numerous state agencies that broadband power line use has a hugh negative effect on both emergency and routine communication. It's "my opinion" that the big dollar communications industry has funded this push for broadband powerline use despite its effects. The money put into lobbying for this application is staggering. I guess this is probably way off topic for the SEL group and do apologize. This should probably be debated in another arena. Tom > Tom Smith wrote: >> You need to look closely before you make a decision on broadband >> communication. It appears to be cheap but as in most things there is no >> free ride. >> >> The only downside is the potential for RF interference of others users of >> the spectrum. The frequencies used on these systems can and probably will >> cause interference to emergency services, amateur radio, and other >> commercial users that are on the primary and harmonics of the frequencies >> used by the broadband network. Once broadband is established, there is no >> way to shut it off in the middle of a natural or manmade disaster when >> the lack of health and welfare communications is deadly. >> >> The US has several pilot broadband projects that have had very negative >> effects on wireless communication. Interference on a average day is just >> a nuisance but can have a very negative impact on life and property in a >> natural disaster when you can't get health and welfare requests >> communicated. There is a better way than jeopardizing our lives in >> disasters that seem to be occuring freqently. >> >> Be careful. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:43:11 +0800 >> "peter ogborne" wrote: >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 7:11 AM >>> Subject: Fw: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>> >>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:22 AM >>>> Subject: Broadband and the town of Manas ,Virginia,USA, a bit OT >>>> >>>> >>>>> I recently heard a report how the town of Manas [maybe incorrect >>>>> spelling] in Virginia were testing a system of Broadband internet >>>>> connection via the power grid. To all accounts it was successful. This >>>>> would have great implications for our Australian Telstra as their >>>>> copper system would not be needed. Most Australian towns are connected >>>>> to the power grid ,so the inferstructure is already installed. If it >>>>> is a goer then watch out Telstra shares! >>>>> Maybe someone in the US knows about the Manas system . >>>>> PS I know there is a Manasa [ The Manasa Mauler] Jack Dempsey or Was >>>>> it Gene Tunney? >>>>> Peter Ogborne >>>>> Little Grove ,Albany >>>>> West Australia >>>>> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>>>> jopeter at omninet.net.au >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From falcon at telenet.net Sat Aug 27 05:14:35 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:14:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <007a01c5ab00$e4436960$8b1117d1@net.telenet.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Paul, You should be able to cut it using a long half lap style joint and glue it together with good rubber cement. The hard part will be getting the half lap areas skived down evenly. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 06:07:21 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:07:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <4310280F.1040309@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003501c5ab08$42a8e460$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Michael for the information, it is appreciated very much. I did a google search for timing belts and was overwhelmed with the hits I got but never found any information on cutting one and putting it back together. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael P. Koryciak" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > > Do a google for small parts,inc. They carry all kinds of small > belting,adjustable-size belts, bearings,rod,tubing....you name it, they > probably sell it. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 06:08:34 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:08:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <007a01c5ab00$e4436960$8b1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <005701c5ab08$77f9b9f0$230110ac@PAUL> Steve I will give this a try, it does not have to be perfect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > > > Paul, > You should be able to cut it using a long half lap style joint and glue > it together with good rubber cement. The hard part will be getting the > half lap areas skived down evenly. > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 27 08:24:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:24:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> Paul, When I was young, about 11, I had a favorite Tonka toy that was a conveyor. The belt broke and it was then useless. My dad and I decided to fix it. We took an old tractor inner tube and cut about an inch and a half section across it (this was the width of the conveyor belt originally). We then cut some 1/4 inch wide strips out of the tube the length of the width of the belt we cut. We marked the belt about every inch and used rubber cement to glue the strips on. It worked perfect. It probably took us a couple of hours to do it all but things like this are what you remember from your youth. The toy was still in my dad's basement until the tornado hit in '98 and to the best of my knowledge, the belt was still on it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 09:08:32 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:08:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> That is an excellent idea Tommy and I appreciate the information. I may just give this a try. I see that you already back from Portland, how was it? I did not get to go this year and really missed it. I cannot wait until folks start posting pictures so I can see some of it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > Paul, > > When I was young, about 11, I had a favorite Tonka toy that was a > conveyor. The belt broke and it was then useless. My dad and I decided > to fix it. We took an old tractor inner tube and cut about an inch and a > half section across it (this was the width of the conveyor belt > originally). We then cut some 1/4 inch wide strips out of the tube the > length of the width of the belt we cut. We marked the belt about every > inch and used rubber cement to glue the strips on. It worked perfect. It > probably took us a couple of hours to do it all but things like this are > what you remember from your youth. The toy was still in my dad's basement > until the tornado hit in '98 and to the best of my knowledge, the belt was > still on it. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 27 11:58:11 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:58:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Paul, Portland was great as always. I got to see several SEL members and renew acquaintances. Thanks to all who helped make this an event to look forward to every year. I planned on being at Portland through Friday afternoon but an issue at home caused me to return on Thursday evening. The layout of the show was changed quite a bit this year and I heard mixed reviews. I think it was possibly done to help the tractor folks but most of the grumbling I heard was from them. They had to park under the large trees across the drive from the SEL area. The sap and squirrels dropping nuts on them didn't please some of the tractor owners. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Paul Maples wrote: > That is an excellent idea Tommy and I appreciate the information. I > may just give this a try. I see that you already back from Portland, > how was it? I did not get to go this year and really missed it. I > cannot wait until folks start posting pictures so I can see some of it. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > > >> Paul, >> >> When I was young, about 11, I had a favorite Tonka toy that was a >> conveyor. The belt broke and it was then useless. My dad and I >> decided to fix it. We took an old tractor inner tube and cut about >> an inch and a half section across it (this was the width of the >> conveyor belt originally). We then cut some 1/4 inch wide strips out >> of the tube the length of the width of the belt we cut. We marked >> the belt about every inch and used rubber cement to glue the strips >> on. It worked perfect. It probably took us a couple of hours to do >> it all but things like this are what you remember from your youth. >> The toy was still in my dad's basement until the tornado hit in '98 >> and to the best of my knowledge, the belt was still on it. >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Sat Aug 27 12:54:00 2005 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:54:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 In-Reply-To: <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: snip ... the up at 5am off to bed about 11pm when the beer-bullshit > ran out only to do the exact same thing again the next day. > G'day mate, A very apt description of how I spent my time at the show this year. I arrived about noon Tuesday, threw my kit into Leroy's new covered utility trailer with fold-down bench. Unloaded the Economy at the list area, and Steve Sewell and I took off for the vendor area. We cruised the vendor area until we lost the light then shared the evening with the SEL and tractor campers. Each evening was spent in this pleasant pursuit of knowledge and calories. I ran the Economy all four days. With help from all the list group it's become a two pull starter. One with a choke and another gets it off and going. Sweet. Tried to run the early shift until the motel crowd arrived. The swap area was larger this year and as active as usual. I over-used a knee on Wednesday and then walked it off on Thursday. My current strategy for shopping at Portland is working. See something I might want but don't really have a immediate need for, think about it for a hour, come back later and it's gone. There were at least four boilers in the swap area this year in the 1/2 horsepower range. Special thanks again to Dave for making the dinner and auction the wonderful experience it was. I understand we raised about 2K, the food was good, and Glenn's auctioneering was well worth the drive. I mentioned Leroy's kindness to me personally above but also want to thank him for all his (and Brandi's) work with the list camping area and staking out the list area in the "land rush". Portland is still the easiest place on earth to take 3 hours on a 15 minute walk. Saw old friends and met new ones. There is never enough time to talk to everyone and several conversations were interrupted that we'll finish them next year. Hope to see you all next year. Brice From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 13:13:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:13:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com><00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <00d301c5ab43$d2bc1ff0$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks for the report Tommy, sorry you had to leave early, hope all is well now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > Paul, > Portland was great as always. I got to see several SEL members and > renew acquaintances. Thanks to all who helped make this an event to look > forward to every year. I planned on being at Portland through Friday > afternoon but an issue at home caused me to return on Thursday evening. > The layout of the show was changed quite a bit this year and I heard mixed > reviews. I think it was possibly done to help the tractor folks but most > of the grumbling I heard was from them. They had to park under the large > trees across the drive from the SEL area. The sap and squirrels dropping > nuts on them didn't please some of the tractor owners. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From MBellar at aol.com Sat Aug 27 13:22:33 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:22:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt Message-ID: <66.5de752b6.30422589@aol.com> Paul; I purchased an O-ring splicing kit awhile back in order to make an O-ring replacement for a piston ring on a Waterloo engine. Super glue is supplied with the kit and I can testify that once it sets the joint is secure. I had to super stretch the O-ring to reduce the OD of my home made O-ring to get it to fit in the piston groove and allow the piston to tightly slip into the cylinder. After about six tries everything went together well resulting in great engine compression. I have about three hours of running time on the engine and it is still holding up. They supply a jig to align the two ends of the O-ring because you only get one chance at joining them before the glue sets. I would guess that you could do the same with your belt. Tom Bellar From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 27 13:49:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:49:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt References: <66.5de752b6.30422589@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e101c5ab48$cb251fd0$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Tom, I am encouraged by everyone's feedback. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt > Paul; > I purchased an O-ring splicing kit awhile back in order to make an O-ring > replacement for a piston ring on a Waterloo engine. Super glue is > supplied with > the kit and I can testify that once it sets the joint is secure. I had to > super stretch the O-ring to reduce the OD of my home made O-ring to get > it to > fit in the piston groove and allow the piston to tightly slip into the > cylinder. After about six tries everything went together well resulting > in great > engine compression. I have about three hours of running time on the > engine and > it is still holding up. They supply a jig to align the two ends of the > O-ring > because you only get one chance at joining them before the glue sets. I > would > guess that you could do the same with your belt. > > Tom Bellar > _______________________________________________ From gwaugh at wowway.com Sat Aug 27 14:22:18 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (kgw) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:22:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> Same lady on the National Anthems?? -- Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois 60123 USA Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Paul, > Portland was great as always. I got to see several SEL members and > renew acquaintances. Thanks to all who helped make this an event to > look forward to every year. I planned on being at Portland through > Friday afternoon but an issue at home caused me to return on Thursday > evening. The layout of the show was changed quite a bit this year and I > heard mixed reviews. I think it was possibly done to help the tractor > folks but most of the grumbling I heard was from them. They had to park > under the large trees across the drive from the SEL area. The sap and > squirrels dropping nuts on them didn't please some of the tractor owners. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > From badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us Sat Aug 27 14:53:48 2005 From: badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us (badams at tractors.bloomington.in.us) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:53:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, kgw wrote: > Same lady on the National Anthems?? > > -- > Gene > Yes, and on Friday, at the urging and encouragement of the english contingent she sang "God Save the Queen". It was well done. I, for one, appreciate she is willing to sing and that no one has told her not to. It's part of what the Portland Show is about and I will miss her when she's gone. Brice From ivancou at alltel.net Sat Aug 27 14:55:33 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:55:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FWD : Stolen References: <89.2dd9b6dc.303fe770@aol.com> Message-ID: <000a01c5ab52$0cac17c0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> This came to me by way of a friend & former list member , I thought it best to send it on . Thanks, Ivan On Wed Aug 24 13:59:37 PDT 2005, "Beates, Susan" wrote: > Could you please help spread the word - Bill Huber of the > Oleopolis Road, Plumer, PA has just had a 15hp Reid vandalized. > He just gave the lease to his son Jeff who would be the fourth > generation to pump that lease. The window of the locked engine > house was smashed and taken were the governor belt and pulley, > governor, gas valve WICO eccentric, back frame for the oilers and > the oilers. Anyone with information is encouraged to call Bill > at (814)677-8802. > > Thanks! > > Susan J. Beates > Curator II/Historian > Drake Well Museum & Park > 202 Museum Lane > Titusville, PA 16354-8902 > (814)827-1147 ext. 103 > www.drakewell.org From ivancou at alltel.net Sat Aug 27 18:39:00 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:39:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net><6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> <5d6cbbe38b33feabdfe222e0c6acd4dc@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001f01c5ab71$43e40bc0$6401a8c0@alltel.net> Little Lisa showed up at the dinner , and Dave was ,opps Maybe someone else will spill the beans . It was a small crowd ,but I thought the auction went well . Ivan From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Aug 27 18:38:54 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:38:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Gluing a Timing Belt In-Reply-To: <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4310D98A.8030701@wowway.com> Message-ID: <431115AE.1090406@scrtc.com> Yeah, same gal as the last several years. I think her last name is something like "Yinks"? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY kgw wrote: > Same lady on the National Anthems?? > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 27 18:58:13 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:58:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron In-Reply-To: <20050827010154.ZTBU15431.omta01ps.mx.bigpond.com@PML> Message-ID: <20050828015806.ITF21373.omta03sl.mx.bigpond.com@PML> It is also only three weeks until the Sydney Rally at Clarendon. It looks like we are going to have a very impressive display of early Crossley engines, with at least 12 confirmed :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- While our northern engine cousins are off enjoying themselves at Portland we can only sit in envy :( BUT it is only a week to the Rusty Iron rally where I hope to see quite a few Aussie list members. I already have one engine loaded and will get the others ready this week. See you all there! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From b2 at chooka.net Sat Aug 27 21:59:27 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:59:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter In-Reply-To: <00b001c5aad4$13a164a0$d554dccb@brian> Message-ID: <200508272359400.SM03572@wrbpc> By all means check for straightness, but I bet there's just one too many spacer washers stuck on one end or the other when the starter was last assembled. Pull one off and see if this helps. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Brian Taylor Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 1:54 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Allis Chalmers Starter Hi Guys We have decided to resurrect the Allis Chalmers 6 volt starting system (Damaged at some earlier stage by someone applying 12 volts to system) and have acquired a new 6V battery. The starter was supposedly overhauled by someone, but appears to have a bent shaft as it will only rotate slowly (off the tractor, on the bench). If I slacken the 2 through bolts until only just snug, motor frees up and rotates fast.I have checked end float..all ok. I have linished the 2 shaft bearing surfaces..plenty of clearance. Has anyone had any success straightening bent starter shafts? Brian Taylor Publicity Officer Hervey Bay Historical Village & Museum 13 Zephyr St. Scarness QLD Australia _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Aug 28 06:23:38 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:23:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa Message-ID: <4311BADA.3020504@scrtc.com> Are any of the SEL members from KY, IN, or OH going to Mt. Pleasant? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From oldengin at udata.com Sun Aug 28 08:13:05 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:13:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 In-Reply-To: References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Gday Well we are now home from the 2005 Portland show and it was grand! We sat in the little portland area and still had fun, but after being gone for over a week I had just a tad over 300 mails???? We had as much fun as ever and had a few different events occur, like on Monday night we had a silver night. Man sometimes you get what you pay for. Then set-up day on Tues. and the getting of one new trolley along with the night belonging to scotch. Wend. was opening and then it was a vo type evening. Thur. some of us outlasted the tractor fellows and it was just a usual 12 ounce night. And so went the week! A couple thoughts Thank you to everyone who said they where coming and did so, I hope everything was fine. I was very happy to see the list area full of some of the shows finer engins We have a few lost and found items, like a tire and a new shirt ( not my size) Brice write me........ over 250 models of engins and some very fine ones I have three pages of engin pictures posted but they are hard to view and rumors have been floating about no Portland shots? some people claim that tractors move! again thank you -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 28 08:36:01 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:36:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL><431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL><4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: <006c01c5abe6$31fd0360$230110ac@PAUL> Leroy where are the pictures you said you had posted. I am on pins and needles wanting to see some pictures of the show since I did not get to go this year. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland 2005 > Gday > Well we are now home from the 2005 Portland show and it was grand! We > sat in the little portland area and still had fun, but after being gone > for over a week I had just a tad over 300 mails???? We had as much fun as > ever and had a few different events occur, like on Monday night we had a > silver night. Man sometimes you get what you pay for. Then From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Aug 28 10:29:24 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:29:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Outage and Portland References: <200508252336410156.0F8F4DA5@heavyiron.atis.net> <6f60251605082605409136443@mail.gmail.com> <5d6cbbe38b33feabdfe222e0c6acd4dc@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <027701c5abf6$091060e0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Yes, I agree. It is always a problem keeping Arnie in line at the auction, so that is why Steve and I were "assigned" to his table in order to keep him in check. Knowing his fondness for all things British, Peter and Rita assisted in restraining his as well. We did well til Arnie consumed his 8th Negro Modolo malt beverage. Then he stood up and sang "My Way" like Sinatra on a bad day. The good news is more money was raised for charity by bidding on how much it would take to hush him up! Portland was great as always and we had a great time. Plus, it did not rain!!!!!! Thanks to so many behind the scenes workers that make it a good time for all. Can't say I liked how all the engines were scattered about but hopefully the Portland folks will tweak it for next year. Picture to follow. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Outage and Portland > > The problem with the SEL site was mentioned at our table last evening, > > we had the Roysters and Arnie with us > > The Roysters and Arnie problem has always been there, but we managed to > get by OK with it in the past. Keep a stiff upper lip! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Sun Aug 28 13:21:29 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:21:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL]OT Portland/Auction Message-ID: Special thanks goes out to Glen Karch, his donated items bought in over $500 of the $2,019 raised at the auction. His picture puzzels are a work of art and the boxes are his very usual brand of high quality wood work. I will keep my opinions of just what went on at Portland to myself. I will say we will be making Baraboo a perminent destination thanks to Curt and his infulance with getting us a perminent spot on the grounds. Bill would like to again thank all who donated to his birthday cake and the ensuing celabration, you don't turn 60 everyday, the tractor, wagon, and cow are now prominately desplayed in a place of honor. Peg Pfeiffer >From: "ivan" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Outage and Portland >Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:39:00 -0400 > > Little Lisa showed up at the dinner , and Dave was ,opps Maybe >someone else will spill the beans . >It was a small crowd ,but I thought the auction went well . Ivan > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From old_iron at msn.com Sun Aug 28 13:26:43 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:26:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Portland 2005/Special Thanks In-Reply-To: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: Special thanks to Leroy and Brandi, for all the fine efforts they have been putting in on our behalf, not only with the "land grab", but also the fact they both volunteer with the club to keep our group on "the good side" of the club. Again, THANKS A VERY BIG BUNCH! Peg & Bill Pfeiffer >Thank you to everyone who said they where coming and did so, I hope >everything was fine. >I was very happy to see the list area full of some of the shows finer >engins >We have a few lost and found items, like a tire and a new shirt ( not my >size) Brice write me........ >over 250 models of engins and some very fine ones >I have three pages of engin pictures posted but they are hard to view and >rumors have been floating about no Portland shots? >some people claim that tractors move! again thank you > >-- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > >"We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > >better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 15:44:24 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:44:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] FM manual PDF Message-ID: <43123E48.3010606@earthlink.net> Hi all, All the reports from Portland are great. Now that it's over, I'll put this online. Very large file, about 20 Meg, and right click the link to download. Click the link and it will try to come in. FM Type T manual in PDF format. Covers are not included to reduce size. Download and print it for free if you can. If not contact me off list. http://oldirongallery.com/FMManual.pdf Jeff Allen From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:34:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:34:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 In-Reply-To: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> References: <014801c5aab1$1e546d70$230110ac@PAUL> <431085AD.4010306@scrtc.com> <00a301c5ab21$db85b2d0$230110ac@PAUL> <4310B7C3.8020200@scrtc.com> <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605082816342e67cc99@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/05, Leroy C. wrote: > Gday > Well we are now home from the 2005 Portland show and it was grand! > We sat in the little portland area and still had fun, but after being > gone for over a week I had just a tad over 300 mails???? We had as much > fun as ever and had a few different events occur, like on Monday night > we had a silver night. Man sometimes you get what you pay for. Then > set-up day on Tues. and the getting of one new trolley along with the > night belonging to scotch. Wend. was opening and then it was a vo type > evening. Thur. some of us outlasted the tractor fellows and it was just > a usual 12 ounce night. And so went the week! A couple thoughts > Thank you to everyone who said they where coming and did so, I hope > everything was fine. > I was very happy to see the list area full of some of the shows finer engins > We have a few lost and found items, like a tire and a new shirt ( not my > size) Brice write me........ > over 250 models of engins and some very fine ones > I have three pages of engin pictures posted but they are hard to view > and rumors have been floating about no Portland shots? > some people claim that tractors move! again thank you > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark Just got home at Midnight on Sunday after a very early 4am start to catch the connecting flight out of Fort Wayne to Chicago. The freeways are certainly quiet that time of morning! Very misty as well, just like an autumn morning in the UK, we kept hitting thick patches at speed which was a bit of a nuisance, but we got to the airport on good order, and had time for a coffee and cake at Chicago before boarding the 777 for London. We have an enormous amount of photographs to edit and post to our website, but that will have to wait for the latter end of this coming week as we have a busy end of month and a big job to test and deliver at the factory. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:38:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:38:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT Portland 2005/Special Thanks In-Reply-To: References: <4311D481.3090402@udata.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605082816387173dccf@mail.gmail.com> On 8/28/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Special thanks to Leroy and Brandi, for all the fine efforts they have been > putting in on our behalf, not only with the "land grab", but also the fact > they both volunteer with the club to keep our group on "the good side" of > the club. > > Again, THANKS A VERY BIG BUNCH! > > Peg & Bill Pfeiffer Nice to see you both again, Peg, missed you last year... We also owe a big thank you to Jim Dunmyer, Arnie and Gary Epps for bringing some of our ebay and book purchases to the show so we could take them back with us, it was hugely helpful and much appreciated. We had to leave earlier than we would have like on Friday, as we were out all day at Dayton and then a 3.30am rise for the drive to Fort Wayne on Sunday, so we missed saying goodbye to a few of the folks there. We hoped that 7pm would have caught most people there, but we were wrong! Good to see everyone and an excellent show. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Aug 28 18:57:02 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:57:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa References: <4311BADA.3020504@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <004501c5ac3c$f5949da0$b8ed123f@oemcomputer> Yep, Tommy, I will arrive at Mt Pleasant Wednesday afternoon and will likely set up near the engine area office with a 5 HP Kewanee and an 8 cycle pumping an oil well. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa > Are any of the SEL members from KY, IN, or OH going to Mt. Pleasant? > Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 04:07:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:07:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Postscripts Message-ID: <6f60251605082904073cc25b22@mail.gmail.com> Just a few thoughts and notes from our time at the show and some of the other things we did that week: 1) South Bend, Studebaker Museum. Great place, needs a bit of organisation and probably more funding to bring the standard up, but well worth the visit and the displays were good. Lighting for photographic purposes is not good at all. 2) Amish centers. We visited two places on our trip, both were very interesting to us as we had no preconceptions about the ways or beliefs of the Amish. We bought some books back with us, but don't expect to see a sudden conversion! 3) Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg Museum. Next to the show, this was probably the highlight of the visit. The museum and its displays exceeded our expectations by a huge amount. Again, lighting was not good for photography purposes, but you couldn't fault the standard of the displays. The Bugatti engine upstairs is worth a look, plus the big in-line aircraft engine (not Bugatti) in the same room. It doesn't get much better than this. 4) Portland. Still the definitive show for our money, the revised show areas were a little confusing at first, and we both suffered a bit from walking the grounds more than once around. Quite a few hidden gems in the parts sale areas, and the engine stuff was marvellous. We took a LOT of pictures, then went back and took a lot more, so we have a few weeks of work getting them all sorted and edited. List folks went out of their way to make us feel at home, this being our third visit we are at last starting to know people a little better which helps when you are talking to them, but we also had a load of unknown people coming up to us during the show and asking how we were and what we thought of the show. 5) General Stuff. The trip went well, we had no transport problems at all, the hire car performed faultlessly, we managed to negotiate the petrol pumps this time round (!) and people were really friendly wherever we went, so a big thanks to all the people we met. Dolly and Jim had problems with British Airways during the dispute at Heathrow, but we flew American Airways again, and had excellent service. We noticed that all our bags had been opened on our return home, but as always nothing was missing and there was a note in each case to indicate that they had been inspected. We thoroughly approve of such measures and also the Sky Marshalls who ride the AA planes these days. 6) Goodies we brung home :-)) Maytag spares for Kim Siddorn and Nick Highfield were the main haul at the show, we could have spent a LOT of money on desirable engines, especially the little Jaegers and the Bovard & Seyfang engine that we saw on a trailer in the sale area. Shipping aside, we could have bought two or three nice engines there and then, but as always we have other things committed for the coming year which will take our savings up, but there's always 2007... American Bosch and Fairbanks-Morse magneto manuals made up a lot of weight, the AB manual is nearly four inches thick! but contains a lot of info for the website at a future date. A few nice book selections from the USAF Museum will provide some interesting reading; The B-70 Valkyrie, SR-71 Blackbird and a book of wartime aircraft production pictures made it into the luggage, our museum membership discount easing the pain a little. The museum itself is expanding fast, and the Presidential Aircraft section is due to be moved to the main museum soon, which will eliminate the bus trip across the field which takes up so much trip time. Our Mavica FD-97 took a bit of a hammering this trip, but we didn't have any problems, one battery lasted a day and we wrote a CD-full of pictures to bring back. One thing we would like to do, is to bring our Ruston & Hornsby diesel over to the USA for a show tour. It's not easily done and would take some arranging, but it is something we are actively considering. It would need 3 months worth of travel time, so we would have to think on how we could arrange that, but it is possible. Watch this space! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Aug 29 04:44:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:44:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Kat -Mac Show Message-ID: <000901c5ac8f$0de8d270$7d9881cb@ogborneuah38i3> This Saturday /Sunday is the first Kat -Mac Show . This is to replace the Kukerin Tractor Show and from what we hear the organisers have been working hard to make this a great success. It is a 400 Km round trip for me but that is normal here in West Australia.We are taking the Dean Fairground Organ and the Ruston Proctor Portable Steam engine will be belted up to a 1904 Threshing Machine . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 29 05:39:13 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:39:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050829082857.03ddec10@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The ATIS dinner at the Back 40 Junction was attended by about 65 ATIS members. After the dinner the auction raised $2,019.00 for charity. Peg did her usual great job of keeping track of the bidding and money and we all believe that Glenn has a career ahead of him as an auctioneer when he grows up! A big thanks to everyone who helped and all those who bid! Dave PS, The only really sad part was watching Steve Royster bid against that pretty little 3 year old girl who had emptied out her piggy bank to attempt to buy an original "Karch" puzzle. (Glenn is making her one to make up for the one that Steve out bid her on! The little girl is probably home by now and I hope has stopped crying!) From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 07:35:02 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:35:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050829082857.03ddec10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Brooky will be all right. She's stopped crying for now, but is real touchy. We'll give her lots of love and she'll pull through. I don't think she'll ever forget that 'mean old man' though. I kept telling her that it's not nice to call names and that his name is Steve. She said his name might be Steve, but he's still a mean old man! When Brooky gets a little older I think Steve should be looking over his shoulder. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================================== >From: Dave Rotigel > >Hi All, > The ATIS dinner at the Back 40 Junction was attended by about 65 ATIS >members. After the dinner the auction raised $2,019.00 for charity. Peg did >her usual great job of keeping track of the bidding and money and we all >believe that Glenn has a career ahead of him as an auctioneer when he grows >up! A big thanks to everyone who helped and all those who bid! > Dave >PS, The only really sad part was watching Steve Royster bid against that >pretty little 3 year old girl who had emptied out her piggy bank to attempt >to buy an original "Karch" puzzle. (Glenn is making her one to make up for >the one that Steve out bid her on! The little girl is probably home by now >and I hope has stopped crying!) From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Aug 29 07:57:56 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:57:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa In-Reply-To: <004501c5ac3c$f5949da0$b8ed123f@oemcomputer> References: <4311BADA.3020504@scrtc.com> <004501c5ac3c$f5949da0$b8ed123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <43132274.9020909@scrtc.com> Glenn, Would you be able to transport a screen cooling tank back to your place from Mt. Pleasant? It measures about 16" x 30". Not heavy (maybe 25 or 30 lbs). Its on ebay and I'm thinking about bidding on it. Thanks! Tommy >Yep, Tommy, I will arrive at Mt Pleasant Wednesday afternoon and will likely >set up near the engine area office with a 5 HP Kewanee and an 8 cycle >pumping an oil well. > >Glenn > >Glenn Karch >Haubstadt, IN, USA >Hercules Historian >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Judge Tommy Turner" >To: "Stationary Engine List" >Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:23 AM >Subject: [SEL] Mt Pleasant Iowa > > > > >>Are any of the SEL members from KY, IN, or OH going to Mt. Pleasant? >>Thanks. >> >>Tommy Turner >>Magnolia, KY >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From lsain33 at charter.net Mon Aug 29 14:17:01 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:17:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List Message-ID: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi Folks, A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. Larry in Cat Square, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 14:58:31 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:58:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <6f60251605082914582640f591@mail.gmail.com> On 8/29/05, Larry Sain wrote: > Hi Folks, > > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > > Larry in Cat Square, NC Interesting to look at the figures and see what they say :-)) Figures for the Z71 Tahoe suggest you'd be OK, but you won't have a lot of spare capacity once fuelled and with driver/passenger. GVWR, standard (lbs./kg)1 2WD 6500/2948 4x4 6800/3084 Payload, base (lbs./kg)2 2WD 1522/690 4x4 1590/721 Curb weights, estimated (lbs./kg) 2WD 4978/2258 4x4 5210/2363 Assuming these are correct for your particular model, then a trailer or upgrade might be worth looking at, but these figures might be wrong if you have a particular specification pack that increases the GVWR rating. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 29 16:36:01 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:36:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? Message-ID: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> Alright Gang you have had at least 24 hours since the Portland Show was over.....we need to see some pictures at least a couple for now and when you get the rest processed later we will see them.....what do you think.....who will be first? From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Aug 29 17:02:09 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:02:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050829195604.03f94e18@mail.alltel.net> At 07:36 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote: >Alright Gang you have had at least 24 hours since the Portland Show was >over.....we need to see some pictures at least a couple for now and when >you get the rest processed later we will see them.....what do you >think.....who will be first? Hi Paul, There seemed to be general agreement that no one who was at the Portland show should post any pictures this year. The consensus was that pictures just do not do justice to the show and that if none were posted more List members might attend next year. Does this seem reasonable to you. or should those of us who were there reconsider our position? Dave PS, I do have the pictures of the show/auction and would be more than glad to share them with anyone who was at the show! Just contact me off List if you were at the show and want the pictures. From rdi at rochester.rr.com Mon Aug 29 17:04:24 2005 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:04:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test 1 Message-ID: <000f01c5acf6$618eadc0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Yoooo hoooo...?? no list for a week; are you still up? -Rick From rex002 at centurytel.net Mon Aug 29 17:33:17 2005 From: rex002 at centurytel.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:33:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <6f60251605082914582640f591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c5acfa$6c99d6f0$0201a8c0@mycomputer> Make sure you get the heavy end up to the rear window so you have enough weight on the steer axle , other wise it will steer real bad and won't corner Like the Coors Light Dodge #40 Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for the List > On 8/29/05, Larry Sain wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > > > > Larry in Cat Square, NC > > Interesting to look at the figures and see what they say :-)) > > Figures for the Z71 Tahoe suggest you'd be OK, but you won't have a > lot of spare capacity once fuelled and with driver/passenger. > > GVWR, standard (lbs./kg)1 > 2WD 6500/2948 > 4x4 6800/3084 > Payload, base (lbs./kg)2 > 2WD 1522/690 > 4x4 1590/721 > Curb weights, estimated (lbs./kg) > 2WD 4978/2258 > 4x4 5210/2363 > > Assuming these are correct for your particular model, then a trailer > or upgrade might be worth looking at, but these figures might be wrong > if you have a particular specification pack that increases the GVWR > rating. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 29 17:39:57 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:39:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? References: <017301c5acf2$6a9e9cd0$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.2.0.0.20050829195604.03f94e18@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <01ae01c5acfb$592bab10$230110ac@PAUL> Sounds like 20th century logic to me Dave but I operate with 19th century logic.....gotta see to believe! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > > Hi Paul, > There seemed to be general agreement that no one who was at the > Portland show should post any pictures this year. The consensus was that > pictures just do not do justice to the show and that if none were posted > more List members might attend next year. Does this seem reasonable to > you. or should those of us who were there reconsider our position? > Dave > PS, I do have the pictures of the show/auction and would be more than glad > to share them with anyone who was at the show! Just contact me off List if > you were at the show and want the pictures. From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Aug 29 17:40:57 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:40:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Test 1 In-Reply-To: <000f01c5acf6$618eadc0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000f01c5acf6$618eadc0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <9ddb0663272fc495e30498e4459b7d9f@chartertn.net> Yep. Sometimes the server turns your E-mail off, though, especially if some messages have bounced back. John On Aug 29, 2005, at 8:04 PM, Rick I. wrote: > Yoooo hoooo...?? no list for a week; are you still up? > -Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 18:52:50 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:52:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Luke, I'm glad Brooky didn't suffer permanent damage in the auction and you better believe I'll be looking over my shoulder in the future, but I was trying to save her dad from spending 150.00 on a 10.00 puzzle. That mean old Glen Karch was all but inciting a riot the way he was making people spend their kids inheritance on toys!!! Poor little Lincoln was trying so hard to get that little puzzle with his engine on it and Brooky was whuppin his butt too! His dad all but gave up his college savings just to win that auction, and then came the Eclipse!!!! I think if Luke really wanted little Brooke to have that puzzle he would have mortgaged the farm and got it for her. I hope some day he doesn't have to look over his shoulder and try and explain why he didn't step up and outbid that "mean old man". Being the generous old man that I am I would gladly share my puzzle with little Brooky any time and I'm sure Lincoln would also. Just let me know your address and I'll send it your way. Mean old Steve >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland Charity Auction >Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:35:02 +0000 > >Hi Dave, > >Brooky will be all right. She's stopped crying for now, but is real touchy. >We'll give her lots of love and she'll pull through. I don't think she'll >ever forget that 'mean old man' though. I kept telling her that it's not >nice to call names and that his name is Steve. She said his name might be >Steve, but he's still a mean old man! When Brooky gets a little older I >think Steve should be looking over his shoulder. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA >=================================== > > >>From: Dave Rotigel >> >>Hi All, >> The ATIS dinner at the Back 40 Junction was attended by about 65 ATIS >>members. After the dinner the auction raised $2,019.00 for charity. Peg >>did her usual great job of keeping track of the bidding and money and we >>all believe that Glenn has a career ahead of him as an auctioneer when he >>grows up! A big thanks to everyone who helped and all those who bid! >> Dave >>PS, The only really sad part was watching Steve Royster bid against that >>pretty little 3 year old girl who had emptied out her piggy bank to >>attempt to buy an original "Karch" puzzle. (Glenn is making her one to >>make up for the one that Steve out bid her on! The little girl is probably >>home by now and I hope has stopped crying!) > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Aug 29 19:19:25 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:19:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <200508300219.j7U2JWh3056721@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a > piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, > probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill > and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this > hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a > bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't > know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance > for your input. Hi Larry, We've carried that much iron in the back of our Ford Ranger and dragged MUCH larger loads behind it on the trailer. It's a small sized pickup with a 2.3 liter engine. The truck still runs fine with 114,000 miles. But then again, our Ranger IS a Ford. Rob From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 22:39:02 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:39:02 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Charity Auction Pictures Message-ID: <6f6025160508292239263d4cf9@mail.gmail.com> We have had a bit of spare time to edit the few pictures we took at the Charity Auction at Decatur: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Charity1.jpg through http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Charity11.jpg Our favourite is the first one, and the full-sized version is also available at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Charity12.jpg What is Glenn Karch saying to Dave Rotigel ???? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 04:05:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:05:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: Hi Larry, You can probably haul it short distances at a reasonable speed. I hauled a 1.5 hp Fairbanks, 1.5 hp Novo, and a 6 hp Witte in the back of our half ton truck one time. Proabably well over 1000 pounds. I would just put your cane mill in the back of your truck and see if the rubber stoppers on the suspension bottom out on your axle. Even if it does, your probably still ok, as I've hauled loads with the suspension bottomed out before. Just have to take it easy. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "Larry Sain" > >Hi Folks, > >A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of >equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle >governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The >question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 >pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you >don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for >your input. > >Larry in Cat Square, NC From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 04:13:59 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:13:59 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: <01ae01c5acfb$592bab10$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this picture, do you still believe it?? http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "Paul Maples" > >Sounds like 20th century logic to me Dave but I operate with 19th century >logic.....gotta see to believe! > >Paul > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 04:41:27 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:41:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> Larry, The even more important question is, are you going to bring this cane mill/engine to Cotton Ginning Days and run it?! We'd really LOVE to see this operating at our show. Always good to see the one operating at Belwood every year. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Wot! Not powering this with your Reid?! The cane mill belted to the Reid would look neat..... Larry Sain wrote: >Hi Folks, > >A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > >Larry in Cat Square, NC >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 30 04:43:15 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:43:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? References: Message-ID: <005501c5ad58$02720000$230110ac@PAUL> UNBELIEVABLE!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > Hi Paul, > > Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this > picture, do you still believe it?? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Aug 30 04:57:25 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:57:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? References: <005501c5ad58$02720000$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <003701c5ad5a$00c130d0$5f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Is this a case of " Intelligent Design''? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > UNBELIEVABLE!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? > > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this >> picture, do you still believe it?? >> >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg >> >> Luke Tonneberger > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 05:15:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:15:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43144DE8.2010709@imc-group.com> Oh I like the shit eating grin.....he must be engaged in the superfluidity of naughtiness! Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this > picture, do you still believe it?? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Aug 30 05:16:44 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi Curt, Yep, the setup at Belwood is a little Chattanooga #11. Originally horse-drawn, now geared to run off the PTO of a tractor. If I could figure out how to set it up, I'd have a nice display to bring to Cotton Ginning Days. The Reid might be a little overkill. Also scares me just to crank it! Can you imagine throwing a belt on that thing? Larry PS I'm still recovering from two back surgeries in July, but hope to be at Dallas with at least a small engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for the List > Larry, > The even more important question is, are you going to bring this cane > mill/engine to Cotton Ginning Days and run it?! > We'd really LOVE to see this operating at our show. Always good to see > the one operating at Belwood every year. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Wot! Not powering this with your Reid?! The cane mill belted to the > Reid would look neat..... > > Larry Sain wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > > > >A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance for your input. > > > >Larry in Cat Square, NC > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 30 05:27:11 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:27:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show Message-ID: <001501c5ad5e$26af9760$fa4c1152@no1> Hi guys, after a superb weekend at this show I have put the pictures of Onslow Park at http://community.webshots.com/album/437720428hUXXAU We were lucky enough to see the celebration of 100 years of Sentinel steam wagons. They met in Scotland at the site of the original works, then drove to the last works in Shrewsbury, (Near to the show). Almost all the steamers still working were there! Also a good number of Stanley steam cars were at the show. The working field was superb with every possible machinery in use. (Lots of USA tractors as well). A popular spot were the groups who were racing to build a Ferguson tractor from the production line parts. (ISTR the winners took less than 30 mins) Good show, good weather & good company, who needs more? -- Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Aug 30 05:37:40 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:37:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for the List References: <200508300219.j7U2JWh3056721@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <025c01c5ad5f$9c7d1a70$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hey Rob, You're preaching to the choir on this one. I bought the Z71 so my son would have a 4WD for the snow in the Appalachians. He attends college there on the 6 year plan and has managed to keep me broke for the last half decade! Given your info, I can just use my trusty 88 F-150, or maybe relicense my 79 Ford Courier and haul it in. Of course, those Maytag sized rust holes in the bed and sides might let the mill crunch through. Still, I'd rather drive a rusty Ford than a....OOPS, better not unleash that dog! Just kidding folks! But I do wish these "toys" I like didn't weigh so much. See ya. Larry in Cat Square, NC, missing Katrina and glad of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Question for the List > > > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a > > piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, > > probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill > > and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this > > hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a > > bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't > > know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance > > for your input. > > Hi Larry, > We've carried that much iron in the back of our Ford Ranger and dragged MUCH > larger loads behind it on the trailer. It's a small sized pickup with a 2.3 > liter engine. The truck still runs fine with 114,000 miles. > > But then again, our Ranger IS a Ford. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 8/26/2005 > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Aug 30 05:55:54 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:55:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures...When? In-Reply-To: References: <01ae01c5acfb$592bab10$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050830085208.03deeca8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:13 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: >Hi Paul, >Dave was 'saved' while at Portland!! Even though you see it in this >picture, do you still believe it?? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/dave_saved.jpg >Luke Tonneberger The reason for this picture is simple. I learned (while listening to the Rev. Butts one morning) that the first thing a Christian needed to do to be forgiven for their sins was to SIN. As they say, the rest is history! Yours in the superfluidity of naughtiness! Dave From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Aug 30 06:00:32 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:00:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show References: 119761714 Message-ID: <00da01c5ad62$ce383ec0$0301a8c0@Cam> Excellent Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show > Hi guys, after a superb weekend at this show I have put the pictures of > Onslow Park at > http://community.webshots.com/album/437720428hUXXAU > We were lucky enough to see the celebration of 100 years of Sentinel steam > wagons. > They met in Scotland at the site of the original works, then drove to the > last works in Shrewsbury, > (Near to the show). Almost all the steamers still working were there! > Also a good number of Stanley steam cars were at the show. > The working field was superb with every possible machinery in use. > (Lots of USA tractors as well). > A popular spot were the groups who were racing to build a Ferguson tractor > from the production line parts. > (ISTR the winners took less than 30 mins) > Good show, good weather & good company, who needs more? > -- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 06:07:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:07:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) Message-ID: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from stainless steel? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Aug 30 06:19:32 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Question for the List In-Reply-To: <025c01c5ad5f$9c7d1a70$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <200508300219.j7U2JWh3056721@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <025c01c5ad5f$9c7d1a70$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <2175.165.206.180.102.1125407972.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Dunno - I hauled a 2,000 pound Chapman from west-central Kansas to central Iowa in the back of my 3/4 ton Ford 4x4 with a 351. Had some other misc iron with it - horse-drawn trucks, etc., 3 people up front, etc. Rode like a Lincoln all the way home, hardly dropped it down, but the boom truck that put it in there, well, the front end came off the ground when he picked up the engine. Bill > Hey Rob, > > You're preaching to the choir on this one. I bought the Z71 so my son > would > have a 4WD for the snow in the Appalachians. He attends college there on > the 6 year plan and has managed to keep me broke for the last half decade! > > Given your info, I can just use my trusty 88 F-150, or maybe relicense my > 79 > Ford Courier and haul it in. Of course, those Maytag sized rust holes in > the bed and sides might let the mill crunch through. Still, I'd rather > drive a rusty Ford than a....OOPS, better not unleash that dog! Just > kidding folks! But I do wish these "toys" I like didn't weigh so much. > See > ya. > > Larry in Cat Square, NC, missing Katrina and glad of it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:19 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Question for the List > > >> >> > A quick question for the all-knowing SEL. I have acquired a >> > piece of equipment I'd like to run with one of my engines, >> > probably the throttle governed 7 hp Witte. It's a cane mill >> > and weighs 1250 pounds. The question is...can I carry this >> > hunk of cast iron on my Chevy 1500 Z71 pickup or do I need a >> > bigger truck? Seems like an easy question unless you don't >> > know the answer, which I don't. Comments? Thanks in advance >> > for your input. >> >> Hi Larry, >> We've carried that much iron in the back of our Ford Ranger and dragged > MUCH >> larger loads behind it on the trailer. It's a small sized pickup with a > 2.3 >> liter engine. The truck still runs fine with 114,000 miles. >> >> But then again, our Ranger IS a Ford. >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: >> 8/26/2005 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 06:38:52 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:38:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4314616C.8030902@imc-group.com> Hey Arnie, The back of my bottle of Dykem says "easy cleanup with Dykem Remover and Thinner". But if you don't want to purchase any, then chemicals in Dykem are: Butyl Acetate Ethyl Alcohol Butyl Alcohol Isopropyl Alcohol Maybe you've got some of those laying around the shop. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from >stainless steel? Thanks! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 06:51:43 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:51:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: Are Steve and Mel Webre ok? Not sure if Dick Gibbens is still on the SEL or not, is he ok after the hurricane damage? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 30 07:38:13 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in front of it did a decent job of it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg Steve PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 07:54:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:54:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo References: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c5ad72$bd733c10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks Steve, saw alot well known faces. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the > engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They > didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in > front of it did a decent job of it. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg > > Steve > PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 09:04:57 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:04:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe someone else has some of the OFES area. I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( Here is the link: I hope you enjoy them. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 09:16:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:16:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo/Gals of the SEL In-Reply-To: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43148648.5030104@imc-group.com> Steve, Speaking of censors, in this photo only the good lookin' ones show. Here are the gals of the SEL. Curt P.S. Hmm wonder why there is no "gals of the FATG's" picture? :-) Steve Barr wrote: >Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the >engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They >didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in >front of it did a decent job of it. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg > >Steve >PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 09:20:31 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:20:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo In-Reply-To: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve, What's the story on the big black blotches on the pictures? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================== >From: Steve Barr >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) > >Here are the group photos from the SEL Photo on Friday. Looks like the >engine censors got into my camera. I don't know what happened. They >didn't blank out the big one, but I guess they thought that the people in >front of it did a decent job of it. > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel3.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/junkbin/portland05/sel4.jpg > >Steve >PS - I didnt take the photos, as I was in them. > > > >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 09:20:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050830092093d936a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/05, Curt wrote: > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, > no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( > > Here is the link: > > > I hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland > We have a couple of shots of the Wallis machines, and some of their engine as well. I'll try and get a start on the pictures tonight when we get home (17.20pm here) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 09:23:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Curt wrote: > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, > no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > Here is the link: > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Aug 30 09:25:21 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:25:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> <4314616C.8030902@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000c01c5ad7f$6dab93a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) > Hey Arnie, > The back of my bottle of Dykem says "easy cleanup with Dykem Remover and > Thinner". > But if you don't want to purchase any, then chemicals in Dykem are: > Butyl Acetate > Ethyl Alcohol > Butyl Alcohol > Isopropyl Alcohol > Maybe you've got some of those laying around the shop. > Curt Holland What do you mean , Curt? Arnie drinks 25% of them. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 09:41:54 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:41:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? John H. > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > See ya, Arnie From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Aug 30 09:47:56 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:47:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL Portland 2005 Group Photo/Gals of the SEL References: <20050830143813.10494.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> <43148648.5030104@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <43148DBC.964F3521@insulate.co.uk> Maybe no-one had a wide enough angle lens?? Dolly Trying to catch up on work and laundry, wishing she was practising a superfluity of naughtiness instead Curt wrote: > P.S. Hmm wonder why there is no "gals of the FATG's" picture? :-) > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From curt at imc-group.com Tue Aug 30 09:57:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:57:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <000c01c5ad7f$6dab93a0$fa4c1152@no1> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> <4314616C.8030902@imc-group.com> <000c01c5ad7f$6dab93a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <43149004.3020505@imc-group.com> Dave Croft wrote: What do you mean , Curt? Arnie drinks 25% of them. Dave Croft Warrington, England Oh how right you are! And the weather was so spectacular each evening Arnie had lots of company as we stayed most evenings until 11 or 12 drinking heavy quantities of solvent. ;-) Curt From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 30 10:26:08 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:26:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009501c5ad88$4be8e980$230110ac@PAUL> Great pictures Curt, thanks for posting them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, no > tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( > > Here is the link: > > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Aug 30 10:31:29 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <20050830173129.66102.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie You must be talking about this one that was also shown as Coolsprings. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005cpm/048.jpg Steve --- John Hammink wrote: > Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? > > John H. > > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that > was > > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 10:31:34 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> <001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, I don't remember if there was a fancy primer on top. The feature that originally struck me was the funky 3-gear train that drove the ignitor shaft from the sideshaft. I had seen the engine at the Coolspring summer show, but never saw it running. When I saw it running at Portland I went to get my camera, but sadly got distracted back in the list area. (Possibly Dolly practicing a superfluity of naughtiness?) Later in the show when I went back to take pictures it was gone. 8-(( I think Tommy Turner also has one. It's an amazing engine to watch. There can't be but a couple of them out there. See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, John Hammink wrote: > Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > See ya, Arnie From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 10:48:40 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <20050830173129.66102.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050830173129.66102.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Steve, Yep, that's the one. You can just make out the gear train behind that horizontal handle. That's why I wanted to take pictures at Portland. It was running and you could get good pics of it from all angles. Sigh... See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Steve Barr wrote: > You must be talking about this one that was also shown as Coolsprings. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2005cpm/048.jpg > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that > > > was setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 11:17:30 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:17:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com><001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <009301c5ad8f$195c5fe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Arnie, What I meant was this one, Steve gave me a sneak peek of his very nice pictures he had taken at Portland. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Webstergeartrain.jpg John H. PS Photo ? Steve Barr. > I don't remember if there was a fancy primer on top. The feature that > originally struck me was the funky 3-gear train that drove the ignitor > shaft from the sideshaft. > > I had seen the engine at the Coolspring summer show, but never saw it > running. When I saw it running at Portland I went to get my camera, but > sadly got distracted back in the list area. (Possibly Dolly practicing a > superfluity of naughtiness?) Later in the show when I went back to take > pictures it was gone. 8-(( > > I think Tommy Turner also has one. It's an amazing engine to watch. > There can't be but a couple of them out there. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, John Hammink wrote: > > > Hi Arnie, you mean that dark green one with the fancy primer on top? > > > > > > > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > > > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > > See ya, Arnie > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Tue Aug 30 11:22:49 2005 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:22:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Webster Mag Message-ID: <200508301824.j7UIOARi005704@rh72-2.newroadstelecom.net> Can the shaft of a webster mag be pressed out and replaced with a new one without messing up the armature? Bill Calvert From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 11:25:07 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:25:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00a301c5ad90$29ca8040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Thanks for the pictures Curt, believe me I can't get enough looking them over and over all those pics of Portland that show up in the post. John H. > OK gang, here are a few of my favorite engines this year. Engines only, > no tractors. Unfortunately I completely forgot to take pictures of the > oilfield engines other than Arnie's and Keith's in the list area. Maybe > someone else has some of the OFES area. > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( > > Here is the link: > > > I hope you enjoy them. > Curt Holland From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Aug 30 11:45:03 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:45:03 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <083020051845.14786.4314A92F0004ED2F000039C221979133290A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Luke, Just spoke with Arnie Fero and he said that Steve & Mel Webre are high and dry, the storm must of verd away from their home. Lets hope that the engine gods have taken care of many more. Curt > Are Steve and Mel Webre ok? Not sure if Dick Gibbens is still on the SEL or > not, is he ok after the hurricane damage? > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 11:48:10 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <009301c5ad8f$195c5fe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com><024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa><431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com><001e01c5ad81$beb0a040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <009301c5ad8f$195c5fe0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John, THAT'S IT!!!! Gorgeous engine; runs beautifully! 8-))) Another awesome engine was Tommy Turner's Miami. Truly amazing to look at his "before" pictures showing it as a log splitter! See ya, Arnie On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, John Hammink wrote: > What I meant was this one, Steve gave me a sneak peek of his > very nice pictures he had taken at Portland. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Webstergeartrain.jpg From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Aug 30 13:45:23 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:45:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <4314C563.9040005@scrtc.com> Arnie, Have you tried acetone? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY fero_ah at city-net.com wrote: >Hi Folks, > >What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from >stainless steel? Thanks! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Aug 30 13:53:05 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engines on the Brain - From Wired Magazine Message-ID: Hi Folks, I thought you might enjoy reading the perspectives of a good friend of mine (a non-engine person) who attended the summer show at the Coolspring Power Museum. I think she picked up on the importance of the people-side of our hobby. 8-)) http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=6 She's a freelance writer in California and is also the Editor in Chief, Pitt Med Magazine, University of Pittsburgh. http://www.health.pitt.edu/pittmed/ See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 30 14:44:00 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:44:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engines on the Brain - From Wired Magazine References: Message-ID: <000501c5adab$ef47cc40$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Well done except for that "newclear engeneer" guy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Engines on the Brain - From Wired Magazine > Hi Folks, > > I thought you might enjoy reading the perspectives of a good friend of > mine (a non-engine person) who attended the summer show at the Coolspring > Power Museum. I think she picked up on the importance of the people-side > of our hobby. 8-)) > > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=6 > > She's a freelance writer in California and is also the Editor in Chief, > Pitt Med Magazine, University of Pittsburgh. > http://www.health.pitt.edu/pittmed/ > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Aug 30 14:56:37 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:56:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) In-Reply-To: <4314C563.9040005@scrtc.com> References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> <4314C563.9040005@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050830175510.040f7828@mail.alltel.net> Hi Tommy, The last time he did I spent two days in a hospital with him and we missed the whole damn engine show! Dave At 04:45 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote: >Arnie, > > Have you tried acetone? > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 15:03:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:03:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 Message-ID: <6f6025160508301503d1658e4@mail.gmail.com> The first pages (1 through 5, 90 pictures) are ready and working, let me know if anything looks odd or you get a dud link anywhere. Should be able to do more each night, so pop back occasionally and see what else is ready for viewing. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/espana/trip.htm The Portland 40th Year icon is down the bottom on the right. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Aug 30 15:49:52 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:49:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Is oil injection needed when converting an engine from liquid to gaseous fuel? In-Reply-To: <430C5E8B.3050604@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <200508302250.j7UMo1ev023940@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > seen a lot of engines converted like this but never with any > kind of oil injection that I've noticed. Commercial. Mechanical oiler. One feed. Straight into the intake. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Aug 30 17:09:47 2005 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:09:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <1fc.8f63557.30464f4b@aol.com> I checked with JB Castagnos this morning and he and his family came through the Hurricane OK, he lives West of New Orleans. See'ya, Bill Miller. From mr at carolina.rr.com Tue Aug 30 16:38:58 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:38:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show References: <001501c5ad5e$26af9760$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000001c5adc6$f77818a0$f9608645@carolina.rr.com> Excellent Dave, not as good as being there, but thanks for sharing. MR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: [SEL] Onslow Park Vintage Show > Hi guys, after a superb weekend at this show I have put the pictures of Onslow Park at > http://community.webshots.com/album/437720428hUXXAU > We were lucky enough to see the celebration of 100 years of Sentinel steam wagons. > They met in Scotland at the site of the original works, then drove to the last works in Shrewsbury, > (Near to the show). Almost all the steamers still working were there! > Also a good number of Stanley steam cars were at the show. > The working field was superb with every possible machinery in use. > (Lots of USA tractors as well). > A popular spot were the groups who were racing to build a Ferguson tractor from the production line parts. > (ISTR the winners took less than 30 mins) > Good show, good weather & good company, who needs more? > -- > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 30 18:28:11 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:28:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <009801c5adcb$42df1650$5ee84c0c@D48VHZ61> Lacquer thinner should work. It should also remove permanent marker. We use more permanent markers than Dykem. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) > Hi Folks, > > What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from > stainless steel? Thanks! > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rtbush at charter.net Tue Aug 30 18:32:44 2005 From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:32:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nice Coolspring article Message-ID: <431508BC.5010108@charter.net> Here's a nice piece about the Coolspring show from a high-tech web site, Wired.com. Enjoy. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.09/posts.html?pg=6 Bob Bushorr Brimfield, Massachusetts From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Aug 30 18:56:01 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:56:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <20050830.215601.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi guys, Returned from Portland, IN on Sunday. If you care to view some photos - check out my community webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz Click "Portland, IN 2k5" Let me know what ya think. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Aug 30 19:18:43 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:18:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland pictures. Message-ID: <43151383.5020204@earthlink.net> Hi all, Paul asked and now he received, as did the rest of us. Thanks to all of you for sharing. I'll be looking at them through the week as there are so many. I really love the larger thumbs that Peter is using, and prefer the pics on web sites as opposed to image hosting. Much better load time on a dedicated site. It is great to see the difference in what you took photos of. Some do more people pics, and others more engines. Nice balance so far. Can't believe I recognize some of the people that I have yet to meet. Good feeling. Jeff Allen P.S. Any pictures of the baptism of Dave? I saw he was saved. P.P.S. Must not have been a Baptist ceremony considering the alcohol around. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Tue Aug 30 21:11:33 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:11:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) References: <1125407220.431459f487c15@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <008a01c5ade2$144ecd50$69696e47@yourvp7x3s9ctm> acetone Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old_Engine" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:07 AM Subject: [SEL] Question for Machinists (semi-OT) Hi Folks, What is a good solvent for removing dried Dychem Blue layout fluid from stainless steel? Thanks! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Aug 30 22:08:23 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:08:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 Message-ID: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Peter. When I try: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Portland05035.htm I don't get a picture. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:03:47 +0100 Listerdiesel writes: > The first pages (1 through 5, 90 pictures) are ready and working, > let > me know if anything looks odd or you get a dud link anywhere. > > Should be able to do more each night, so pop back occasionally and > see > what else is ready for viewing. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/espana/trip.htm > > The Portland 40th Year icon is down the bottom on the right. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 00:43:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:43:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 In-Reply-To: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605083100433903bde@mail.gmail.com> On 8/31/05, rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Hi Peter. > When I try: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Portland05035.htm > I don't get a picture. > > Ron Haskell Sorry, Ron, the template had 05235.jpg as the picture number which hasn't been processed yet. I have changed the number to 05035.jpg and it is OK now. There will be a few odd glitches until we have them all ironed out. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 07:24:58 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:24:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 Message-ID: <20050831.104919.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Peter, I get the pic - Nice job. Is that the engine that was on Keith's trailer? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Aug 31 09:42:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:42:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Check This Out on Ebay........ Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7541240949 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Aug 31 05:42:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:42:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN References: <20050830.215601.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: VERY NICELY DONE, Pip!!! What a way to spend coffee in the morning, watching the slideshow!! Thank you all for posting the pictures..'preciate it. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN > Hi guys, > > Returned from Portland, IN on Sunday. > If you care to view some photos - check out my community webshots. > http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > Click "Portland, IN 2k5" > Let me know what ya think. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember > \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 31 05:18:34 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:18:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN References: <20050830.215601.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000001c5ae4c$033faf60$230110ac@PAUL> Great pictures Joe, thanks so much for taking them, processing them, and putting them out there for all of us to see. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN > Hi guys, > > Returned from Portland, IN on Sunday. > If you care to view some photos - check out my community webshots. > http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > Click "Portland, IN 2k5" > Let me know what ya think. > > From jbcast at charter.net Wed Aug 31 05:34:16 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 8:34:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <48vksc$1cso2hq@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> We made it through the Katrina OK, power out and debris, no structural damage or flooding. We were on the west side. Dick Gibbens is still out of power but no other problems. Steve and Mel are well west of here, shouldn't have had any problems. We have relatives in from New Orleans, water is to the windows in their houses, don't know when they'll get to go look. Thanks for checking, J.B. Castagnos From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Aug 31 14:03:20 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:03:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small Cog Belt Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7053C76B7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Paul, take a look at a belt sander drive belt. Identical to a timing belt, but smaller. Would that be too small? How about a timing belt from, say, a three cylinder Geo? Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com Do a google for small parts,inc. They carry all kinds of small belting,adjustable-size belts, bearings,rod,tubing....you name it, they probably sell it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Maples wrote: >Can you cut a timing belt into and then use super glue to glue it back together? I need to make some small belts to use for a model conveyor I am making and I want to use a timing belt inverted for the conveyor belt but will need to be able to cut it to size and then put it back together. Any suggestions will be appreciated. >___ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From nick at holden1.net Wed Aug 31 09:31:00 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:31:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <4315DB44.000003.25840@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi all hope you all had a good time at Portland for those of you that went hear are some photos from the Great Dorset Steam Fair today Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 31 14:39:51 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:39:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Check This Out on Ebay........ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <26e2eee84fc58e7514381aec9039817f@chartertn.net> Sick. I'd like it without the tabletop. John On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:42 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7541240949 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:08:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:08:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508311508201c5ed4@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/05, Curt wrote: > I also forgot to take pictures of the huge Wallis tractors. :-( The pictures we took of the two Wallis tractors are on Page 11 of the Portland pictures. The pages will be up to Page 12 tonight, just working on 11 and 12 now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:21:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:21:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 pictures In-Reply-To: References: <01b301c5acde$ff62cf30$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431445E7.5080501@imc-group.com> <024501c5ad5c$b1665f80$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> <431483A9.8060705@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160508311521af0ffe5@mail.gmail.com> On 8/30/05, Arnie Fero wrote: > Nice pics Curt! Did anyone get a pic of the horizontal Webster that was > setup on the road opposite the list area for just a day or two? > > See ya, Arnie > That is also on Page 11 with the Wallis pictures, we took 3 pic's, including a close-up of the ignitor drive side..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:37:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:37:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 In-Reply-To: <20050831.104919.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050831.104919.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605083115376af0c941@mail.gmail.com> On 8/31/05, jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > > I get the pic - Nice job. > > Is that the engine that was on Keith's trailer? > Hi Joe: Not sure which engine you are referring to, but Keith Kinney's engine is on a couple of pictures on Page 12. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Aug 31 19:20:53 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? Message-ID: <11ff0341c04d6b7246207da3584e5801@chartertn.net> Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From christison at coastalnet.com Wed Aug 31 19:32:07 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:32:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? Message-ID: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> And I thought we were bad at $2.99.9. We were at $2.58.9 on the weekend. Ken (Thankful for our Honda) > [Original Message] > From: John Culp > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 8/31/2005 10:25:46 PM > Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? > > Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that > a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas > station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station > where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR > race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me > to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to > find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of > regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I > was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be > limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 31 19:37:11 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:37:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? In-Reply-To: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050831223511.03f8f5f8@mail.alltel.net> Hell Ken, John got it last week for $1.459. He should have filled up his basement at that price! Dave At 10:32 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >And I thought we were bad at $2.99.9. We were at $2.58.9 >on the weekend. > >Ken >(Thankful for our Honda) > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John Culp > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 8/31/2005 10:25:46 PM > > Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? > > > > Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that > > a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas > > station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station > > where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR > > race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me > > to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to > > find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of > > regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I > > was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be > > limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. > > > > > > John Culp > > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdi at rochester.rr.com Wed Aug 31 19:37:49 2005 From: rdi at rochester.rr.com (Rick I.) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:37:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Q on engine at Portland Message-ID: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> In this Portland picture: (very nice set of pix, by the way!!), there is a small brass petcock valve on top of the engine cylinder. What's this used for? There isn't a cup, so I don't think it's for priming- or is it? Thanks! Rick (Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/ ) From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Aug 31 19:46:07 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:46:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? References: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <003001c5ae9f$4f81d8f0$5b0c7643@D6R3D961> I paid $3.34.9 this afternoon, same place tonight coming home was $3.39.9 ouch Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts, Fremont, Ca Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of cool antique engines Website; scrapologist.com Fremont CERT,Ham Radio; KG6QKZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? > And I thought we were bad at $2.99.9. We were at $2.58.9 > on the weekend. > > Ken > (Thankful for our Honda) > > >> [Original Message] >> From: John Culp >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Date: 8/31/2005 10:25:46 PM >> Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? >> >> Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that >> a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas >> station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station >> where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR >> race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me >> to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to >> find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of >> regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I >> was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be >> limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 19:20:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:20:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <20050831.224530.856.1.jlb94@juno.com> Glad you like them Rick & Paul, It's my first try at posting a "bunch" of pics at one time. I have inserted captions on some but I think the captions are on top in white. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 19:26:40 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:26:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Great Dorset Steam Fair Message-ID: <20050831.224530.856.3.jlb94@juno.com> Nice pics Nick, I've always had a soft spot for steam traction engines. Used to pilot a 1923 - 12 Ton Buffalo Springfield Road Roller. Very Nice, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Aug 31 19:26:56 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:26:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane - Louisiana SEL Members Message-ID: <20050831.224530.856.4.jlb94@juno.com> Glad you're okay, JB. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Time flies, but remember \/)"(\/ you're the navigator". (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Aug 31 19:50:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:50:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Q on engine at Portland In-Reply-To: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050831225022.022347a0@mail.alltel.net> At 10:37 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: >In this Portland picture: > >(very nice set of pix, by the way!!), there is a small brass petcock valve >on top of the engine cylinder. What's this used for? There isn't a cup, so >I don't think it's for priming- or is it? > >Thanks! >Rick >(Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/ ) Compression release. Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Aug 31 20:03:46 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:03:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Q on engine at Portland In-Reply-To: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> References: <000b01c5ae9e$253c45e0$5d56cc45@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <43166F92.8090207@scrtc.com> Rick, I think its just used as a compression release. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Rick I. wrote: >In this Portland picture: > >(very nice set of pix, by the way!!), there is a small brass petcock valve >on top of the engine cylinder. What's this used for? There isn't a cup, so >I don't think it's for priming- or is it? > >Thanks! >Rick >(Rick's Taylor Vacuum Engine: http://www.oldengine.org/members/inzero/ ) > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Aug 31 20:17:11 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:17:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction proceeds. Message-ID: <431672B7.3040403@earthlink.net> Hi all, Just got to view an hour long special on hurricane Katrina. Words can't come close to describing what I saw. I know there is government help and international help on the way. Cash money is needed now. Cast your vote. Mine is for all proceeds from this auction to folks on the ground that can use the money to help. Jeff Allen From bcl at wacotx.cx Wed Aug 31 20:58:17 2005 From: bcl at wacotx.cx (Lew Best) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:58:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? In-Reply-To: <11ff0341c04d6b7246207da3584e5801@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <001b01c5aea9$63f27fb0$a0dea8c0@OFFICELEW> Worst thing about this is the prices of EVERYTHING will be affected; everything we use is shipped from somewhere to somewhere! Lew -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? Today there was a run on gas stations here. A rumor ran all around that a big fuel distribution center in Knoxville has shut down. Every gas station had cars lined up down the street. Prices jumped. At a station where I bought regular gas last week for $1.459 right before the NASCAR race here, it had gone to $3.109, and they sold out. My wife asked me to fill our son's car this evening, and I had to drive all over town to find a station that was open with any gas left. They were out of regular, but still had Plus at $3.069 and Premium for 10? more. As I was topping off, the clerk came on the P.A. asking that purchases be limited to $30. Pretty much just like it was in 1973. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/86 - Release Date: 8/31/2005 From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 23:36:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:36:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Gas Crunch? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050831223511.03f8f5f8@mail.alltel.net> References: <410-220059412327328@coastalnet.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050831223511.03f8f5f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160508312336530323e1@mail.gmail.com> On 9/1/05, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hell Ken, John got it last week for $1.459. He should have filled up his > basement at that price! > Dave > Be thankful for small mercies, we are up to $8.50 - $9.00 a gallon over here! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Aug 31 22:51:56 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:51:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Test Message-ID: <000701c5aeb9$468fa910$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Don't get my own post back. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Aug 30 23:05:57 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:05:57 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Pages 1 to 5 References: <20050830.220824.372.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <002801c5adf2$11902f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Peter, last night I saw them, but did only a quick look. This morning I got the same as Ron. Note: the two red monitor pics on page two were oval compressed. Take care, John H. > Hi Peter. > When I try: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland05/Portland05035.htm > I don't get a picture. > > Ron Haskell