From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 04:25:30 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:25:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Andy Nicholson - Oz Message-ID: <004801c536b5$e6fce100$230110ac@PAUL> Folks Andy Nicholson, Exmouth W.A. Oz, contacted me some months ago telling me he was trying to buy a buzz coil tester from a guy in the states but that the guy would not ship overseas to Australia. He ask me if I could help him out by letting the guy ship it to me and then I would ship it on to him and I told him I would be glad to do this for him, like I said this has been quite awhile ago that he had asked me to do this. A few days ago the package arrived at the local Post Office and I had to go down and sign for it and now have it. I sent Andy an e-mail a message telling him I had it and I needed his mailing address so I could ship it to him, this was a couple of days ago. So far I have heard nothing from him so I am wondering if maybe he is on vacation our out of pocket for awhile. Does anyone know where Andy might be and if so could you let him know I am trying to contact him. Thanks, Paul Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Apr 1 04:59:38 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:59:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end yoke with a BFH. >> Joe, I have a great disliking for an impact wrench due to a similar situation many years ago. I realize that impact wrenches have their place. We had just got done rebuilding a rear end and a coworker put on the yoke and started the fine threaded yoke nut. Yep, he grabbed the impact wrench and promptly cross threaded it!! Ever tried to find a fine threaded nut chaser to on a Saturday morning?? The situation with the wire tiers on the Honda was my wife had hit a dog and broke the turn signal light which is mounted in the bumper of the '93 Honda. She was in town and went by the Honda dealer to have a new one installed. One side of the assembly fits in a slot and the other side screws to a tab on the bumper. The tab had broken off. So, what did the dealer do, they held it in place with two wire tiers and told my wife they had a hard job figuring out how to fix it and why it costs $45 for labor! I think it took me 30 minutes to make a small sheet metal aluminum tab, bolt it to the bumper and bolt the assembly to it completely hidden. That included putting the tools away. Have a nice day. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 05:05:14 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 05:05:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2075.165.206.180.102.1112360714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> What do you think the major reason I got out of the business was? I couldn't stand to work with people doing sub-standard work, trouble-shooting by replacing parts, sending folks back onto the highway with faulty brakes or a job poorly done - or outright lying to the car owner when it took 10 hours to do a 5 hour job because the mechanic didn't know what they were doing. Coming in in the AM and seeing a car sitting on the floor with a hole in the floor, the windshield busted out - from the INSIDE and the dash all torn up - the car was left on a hoist overnight with no safety set, and a tall stand under it supporting an exhaust pipe - the hoist dropped, the stand went up through the floor, dash and windshield. Coming in and seeing the side of a car smashed in - and a truck tipped off the front of a hoist, landing on the side of that car - some idiot put a truck up on the hoist with the front WAAAY to far ahead. Lucky no one was killed. Pretty well totalled that car that was sitting in the shop for a tune-up. Seeing guys in the shop trying to figure out a vibration in a Chevy engine they had just replaced (using a short-block) Seems the car had a 350, the short-block they used was a 400 - one is externally balanced via flexplate, the other internally balanced. Compare engine numbers? Nope - they, 2 of them, spent a full week trying to figure it out. Wonder what it cost the shop and the customer.................. Seeing a family sent out in a stationwagon with no brakes because the shop foreman insisted that all their car needed was the brakes bled (the MC was shot) I was nearly fired for arguing with the man but once he'd made up his mind, he was right, period. Who was the trained tech there? Yup -wasn't him. I DID walk out of that shop a few weeks later - I simply went in, backed up my truck, loaded my tools, drove away and never looked back. I rarely trust a vehicle of mine to anyone else. I was sick of what I was seeing. Bill > Hi Tom, > > There were a couple things that turned me against mechanics. I know > there are some that really care about the work they do but being that I > have the ability to do most of the work myself - I do. People like JB, > who instructed me on how to replace a timing gear on an 89 Pontiac via > e-mail, are indispensable. > > But - > > One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly > left front wheel. They loosened the > front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a > cotter pin. > > Two - Was when I bought my truck NEW. 1st State Inspection was at the > dealer. 2 guys were sitting at the > front wheel of my truck for the longest time. > > I was watching them and finally went over and said, "Something wrong?" > They said they couldn't get the front > hub back together. My question was: "Why did you take it apart?" they > said - To get at the brakes. I said "See those 3 large screws on the > drum?" Again - "Why did you take it apart?" No answer. > > Then I instructed them piece by piece on how to assemble a front driving > hub. > > While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end > yoke with a BFH. This is a FORD DEALERSHIP. Where's the pullers ? > > Thanks for the opportunity, > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 1 05:18:05 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:18:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504011321.j31DLE94011196@pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com> I knew you would come up with this! kgw -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT A typical 10W-30 runs about 68 cP at 40?C, 10.5cP at 100?C. John On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:06 PM, Gene Waugh wrote: > So what, Dr. John, is the viscosity, in centipoises, of automotive oil? > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 06:16:07 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:16:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2492.165.206.180.102.1112364967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Peter - here's what I found: A check showed that the light that was staying on was the ALT/BATTERY light! Someone has worked on this in the past and had the wrong light in the wrong hole. The real oil light was going out when it started. I did trace the oil pressure wiring. Switched battery +12 to one side of bulb, other side right to sender. So, now to figure out why the ALT light stays on - I suspect regulator - it's a solid-state unit mounted on the shroud, well, sort of in it, for cooling I believe - it's an Onnan engine on this 318. The stuff the regulator is sealed with is pulling out. Can't be good. Bill > > FWIW the oil light is usually fed positive 12V and the oil switch > grounds it to turn the light on. Could you have a wrong wire on the > light? Does that 'spare' lead have anything to do with the oil > switch, a quick continuity check would confirm both. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 06:38:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:38:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <2075.165.206.180.102.1112360714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> <2075.165.206.180.102.1112360714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040106386b3a2321@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 2:05 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What do you think the major reason I got out of the business was? > I couldn't stand to work with people doing sub-standard work, I was in trucks mostly, where the standard was better generally than on cars and light vans, but I know what you mean. The standards of training were very poor, and although I had 2 weeks in Sweden for the Scania dealership, that was the only time I had any formal training on their trucks, despite the setting up of a training school in the UK after that. I don't blame Scania, just the people that employed me who saw it as another cost to be avoided. How folks get on now with all the electronics does worry me, as the average mechanic just doesn't get into that stuff at all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 07:22:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:22:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <2492.165.206.180.102.1112364967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> <2492.165.206.180.102.1112364967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050401072266104ba1@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 3:16 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Peter - here's what I found: > A check showed that the light that was staying on was the ALT/BATTERY > light! Someone has worked on this in the past and had the wrong light in > the wrong hole. > The real oil light was going out when it started. I did trace the oil > pressure wiring. Switched battery +12 to one side of bulb, other side > right to sender. > > So, now to figure out why the ALT light stays on - I suspect regulator - > it's a solid-state unit mounted on the shroud, well, sort of in it, for > cooling I believe - it's an Onnan engine on this 318. > The stuff the regulator is sealed with is pulling out. Can't be good. > > Bill OK, that's one solved and another one found! :-)) The alternator light is fed 12V again, and is grounded through the field winding, so when the field winding gets up to 12V or so then the light goes out. Some of these controllers have a special feed for the light, others have a special winding and single diode just for the light, as the rest of the output is rectified 3-phase. Is the alternator (I assume it IS an alternator?) actually charging ? If not, then there's your answer. If it is working OK but just the warning light not working, then suspect either the controller or the alternator. Some units use the current through the bulb filament to kick start the excitation of the field winding, worth remembering if the bulb ever goes! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 1 08:24:47 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:24:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> Message-ID: > I have a great disliking for an impact wrench due to a similar > situation many > years ago. I realize that impact wrenches have their place. I've several times encountered dangerous situations from overtightening lug nuts with impact wrenches. As I kid I was on a trip with my folks when a tire went flat. Pop went to take the lug nuts off with a cross lug wrench and found the threads were all completely stripped. Amazing the wheel hadn't come off. We had to be towed into a shop by a wrecker. Jane was driving herself to college one morning when her left rear wheel came off and passed her. Her dad got all over the guy who'd stripped her lug threads. I was fortunately driving my Ramcharger, not riding my Harley, when the left front wheel of an oncoming Oldsmobile Cutlass came off and came straight at me. We were in a 40 MPH speed zone and I was obeying the speed limit. Looked to me like the other car was, too. Didn't have time to slow down much. The wheel was bouncing up to my head height, but when it hit it dead-centered my "Eat More Possum" tag on the front bumper. Felt like I'd run over a fire hydrant or something, a substantial impact. The wheel went back in the direction it came from, moving even faster. Went between two cars, and sailed down into a creek. The heavy front bumper was bent into a V, the grill was smashed, and the air conditioning condenser was dinged. The stripped threads from the lug nuts were still in the threads on the lugs. Fortunately the lady driving was able to pull safely to the side of the road and didn't veer into me along with her wheel. It used to be a common belief, may still be, among mechanics that the overriding clutch on those wrenches wouldn't allow overtightening, and they'd let 'em sit and hammer after the nut was run down. Very, very dangerous practice. John From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 1 08:42:31 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:42:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <424D79F7.3040709@imc-group.com> Joe, Guess we've all got our tales of mechanic's screw ups. Here's mine. Shortly after I bought the F350 I noticed a distinctive bump in the rear end which I diagnosed as sticking splines in the drive shaft. I could have simply added the grease myself (and in hind site should have) but it was brand new and so I took it to the Ford service department. A consult and a drive with the service manager confirmed my diagnosis. They removed the drive shaft, lubed the splines, reassembled it, and delivered it to the house. Later as I pulled out from my house I could feel the vibration. SOB I muttered knowing full well the mechanics failed to phase the U-joints. Back to the house and a quick look underneath and sure enough it was out of phase. Would you believe there were even factory yellow marks on the drive shaft halves to make it idiot proof! But they managed it anyway. This time I pulled it apart and phased it correctly. I vowed that was the only time I would ever grace the doors of a dealer "service center". Phasing of U-joints is one of the most basic of mechanic principles taught early in training. To miss that is a real mark of incompetence for a auto mechanic. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joseph L Betz wrote: >One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly >left front wheel. They loosened the >front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a >cotter pin. > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 09:19:14 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:19:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> Message-ID: <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Wheel nuts are to be TORQUED on, period. Use of impact is fine if all they do is run them up snug in the proper pattern. The wrenches WILL stop - however, most idiots that use them have no clue how to set them down, they use them at max torque at all times. They are not accurate........ so don't think you'll set it to a certain "torque" setting and it will always be the same. They WILL warp certain rotors if used on the wheel nuts/bolts of cars with disk brakes. Before we were married, Two times a shop had to replace brakes on Barbara's Camaro until I went up there and WATCHED while they properly installed the nuts by hand, then using a torque wrench to torque to specs. End of brake problems. (they ate the cost of the messed up rotors each time) They should not be used where a BEARING is concerned! (your diff yolk, etc.) The impact action can hammer the bearing, causing later failure. Bill >> I have a great disliking for an impact wrench due to a similar >> situation many >> years ago. I realize that impact wrenches have their place. > > I've several times encountered dangerous situations from overtightening > lug nuts with impact wrenches. As I kid I was on a trip with my folks > when a tire went flat. Pop went to take the lug nuts off with a cross > lug wrench and found the threads were all completely stripped. Amazing > the wheel hadn't come off. We had to be towed into a shop by a wrecker. > > Jane was driving herself to college one morning when her left rear > wheel came off and passed her. Her dad got all over the guy who'd > stripped her lug threads. > > I was fortunately driving my Ramcharger, not riding my Harley, when the > left front wheel of an oncoming Oldsmobile Cutlass came off and came > straight at me. We were in a 40 MPH speed zone and I was obeying the > speed limit. Looked to me like the other car was, too. Didn't have time > to slow down much. The wheel was bouncing up to my head height, but > when it hit it dead-centered my "Eat More Possum" tag on the front > bumper. Felt like I'd run over a fire hydrant or something, a > substantial impact. The wheel went back in the direction it came from, > moving even faster. Went between two cars, and sailed down into a > creek. The heavy front bumper was bent into a V, the grill was smashed, > and the air conditioning condenser was dinged. The stripped threads > from the lug nuts were still in the threads on the lugs. Fortunately > the lady driving was able to pull safely to the side of the road and > didn't veer into me along with her wheel. > > It used to be a common belief, may still be, among mechanics that the > overriding clutch on those wrenches wouldn't allow overtightening, and > they'd let 'em sit and hammer after the nut was run down. Very, very > dangerous practice. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 1 10:12:50 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:12:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040106386b3a2321@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050401181250.82898.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Peter > How folks get on now with all the electronics does worry me, as the > average mechanic just doesn't get into that stuff at all. Perhaps that is why computer diagnostics were introduced into car servicing - to remove the 'uncertainty'. But it is also seems a good way of increasing servicing costs for the average punter with a modern vehicle. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Apr 1 10:14:08 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:14:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> > Wheel nuts are to be TORQUED on, period. > Use of impact is fine if all they do is run them up snug in the proper > pattern. the tire shop i go to uses a "torque stick" between the impact wrench and the lug nut socket. i have never had a problem with over tightning or a wheel coming loose. for info go to: http://www.torquestick.com/ (Arnie, maybe you better not go there, the gal in the header might be too much for your ticker :-)) marv in minn From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 10:19:58 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:19:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't need to be discussing that here. Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. Maybe this is the French car forum. Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings are about! What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess where I post it? I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is a fishing forum I post to. I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I belong to. When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where people love to trade their stories and problems. (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is kicking in!) I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an engine problem. (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a few sentences ago) I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least the majority of their postings are on topic. I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm taking. Grumpy George From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 10:59:54 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:59:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hey Marv, She can torque my nuts anytime she wants to!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the tire shop i go to uses a "torque stick" between the impact wrench and > the lug nut socket. i have never had a problem with over tightning or a > wheel coming loose. > > for info go to: > http://www.torquestick.com/ > > (Arnie, maybe you better not go there, the gal in the header might be too > much for your ticker :-)) From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Apr 1 11:06:14 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:06:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OTTO connecting rod lubrication In-Reply-To: <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <29512.199.62.0.252.1112382374.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> what was the origional method of lubricating the connecting rod crank end of a 2 HP vertical OTTO engine? mine has a grease zerk in the side of the rod. marv in minn From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Apr 1 11:22:16 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:22:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> Well said George. Keith At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > >Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > >Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >need to be discussing that here. > >Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > >Maybe this is the French car forum. > >Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > >Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > >Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > >Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >are about! > >What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > >I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >where I post it? > >I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >a fishing forum I post to. > >I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >belong to. > >When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > >I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >people love to trade their stories and problems. > >(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >kicking in!) > >I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >engine problem. > >(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >few sentences ago) > >I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >the majority of their postings are on topic. > >I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > >Grumpy George > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 1 11:23:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:23:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> Hey Grumpy George, A few days ago I posed a question to the list about a Baker Monitor engine. That was how far the cylinder centerline is offset from the main bearings centerline. You didn't answer my question. 'Supose you could have missed it with all the OT subjects. But seriously, does anyone know the answer? If not, on Monday afternoon I'm scheduled with a local machineshop to set this up in a CMM machine and find the answer. Thankfully I haven't melted the old babbitt out. Luke wanted to know the answer after I measure it, but it sure would be nice if one of the Baker experts would pipe up and say. Is Joe Prindle no longer on the list? Anyone know his email addy? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Grumpy George wrote: >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > > >I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 11:54:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to finish taking it apart. I've welded on it, no luck. I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill close enough. It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that one isn't in the way like it is this one. Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. Bill > Well said George. > Keith > > > At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >> >>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>need to be discussing that here. >> >>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >>Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>are about! >> >>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>where I post it? >> >>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>a fishing forum I post to. >> >>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>belong to. >> >>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>kicking in!) >> >>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>engine problem. >> >>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>few sentences ago) >> >>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>taking. >> >>Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Apr 1 11:55:37 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:55:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. Message-ID: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have created a new email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems with other list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or religious in nature. Be prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) To subscribe, just go to: http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic Take care. Ken Christison www.oldiron-nut.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 12:25:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:25:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <01e301c536f8$e5b87eb0$230110ac@PAUL> Sounds Great Ken, thanks for doing this. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new > email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems > with other > list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or > religious in nature. Be > prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 12:47:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:47:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Your drill bit is too short? That's an April Fool joke right? Or do you buy your tools exclusively at 7-11? McMaster-Carr. 8" would cost you about $10, 12" about $15, and 18" about $25. If you can't reach it with an 18" long drill bit, sell the engine. As to drilling off-center, I'm guessing you followed Paul Maple's lead and chose to not make a drill guide? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 12:47:02 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:47:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <01f001c536fb$f74d32d0$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Bill, I still have not gotten the gib key out of the Petter engine I am working on, I am going to try to drill, tap, and make a puller tomorrow and see how I fare on this. I may be in worse shape than you at the end of the day. Bill can you post some pictures of your engine and gib key problem? Maybe you already have and I missed seeing this, if so I would appreciate you sending them to me so I can visually see what you have. Thanks and Good Luck, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again >I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri Apr 1 12:54:26 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:54:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Heck, just lop off a few inches if you got it to spare. Have a nice weekend. On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the >drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on >that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the >flywheel. > > Bill > >> Well said George. >> Keith >> >> >> At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. >>> Sure >>>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we >>>don't >>>need to be discussing that here. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >>> >>>Maybe this is the French car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >>> >>>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the >>>postings >>>are about! >>> >>>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related >>>postings >>>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic >>>stuff??? >>> >>>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>>where I post it? >>> >>>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there >>>is >>>a fishing forum I post to. >>> >>>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums >>>I >>>belong to. >>> >>>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that >>>too. >>> >>>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>>people love to trade their stories and problems. >>> >>>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>>kicking in!) >>> >>>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has >>>an >>>engine problem. >>> >>>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer >>>a >>>few sentences ago) >>> >>>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their >>>accents >>>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at >>>least >>>the majority of their postings are on topic. >>> >>>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had >>>a >>>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>>taking. >>> >>>Grumpy George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 1 12:56:20 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:56:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. Larry Anger. bill at antique-engines.com wrote: I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to finish taking it apart. I've welded on it, no luck. I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill close enough. It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that one isn't in the way like it is this one. Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. Bill > Well said George. > Keith > > > At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >> >>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>need to be discussing that here. >> >>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >>Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>are about! >> >>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>where I post it? >> >>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>a fishing forum I post to. >> >>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>belong to. >> >>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>kicking in!) >> >>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>engine problem. >> >>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>few sentences ago) >> >>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>taking. >> >>Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 1 13:00:26 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:00:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401210026.15355.qmail@web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Ken - Thanks, I enjoy learning no matter what the topic is. Larry Anger Paul Maples wrote: Sounds Great Ken, thanks for doing this. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new > email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems > with other > list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or > religious in nature. Be > prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 13:00:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:00:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:24 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. > > Hey Grumpy George, > A few days ago I posed a question to the list about a Baker > Monitor engine. That was how far the cylinder centerline is > offset from the main bearings centerline. You didn't answer > my question. 'Supose you could have missed it with all the OT > subjects. But seriously, does anyone know the answer? Curt, You're the engineer on this list! Maybe people didn't answer because they didn't know how many thousandths of an inch the offset should be. Harry Terpstra restored a Baker Monitor that I shipped over to him. He might measure it for you. However, I wouldn't worry about it. If you're pouring main bearing for the engine, just get the crankshaft centered so the bearing thickness is about the same all around. This isn't rocket science... I'm sure your engine will run fine even if you're off a few thousandths. Grumpy George (actually I'm not so grumpy, just wanted to prod people a bit into getting back to engines instead of being just a social group) From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 13:07:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:07:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. Message-ID: Thanks Ken! Will be nice having a place we can tell some people to take their discussion. I won't be joining your list as I already get enough off topic subjects to deal with without having to sign up to get more! Happy George :-) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 13:21:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:21:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050401132139ba8903@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 7:19 PM, Best, George wrote: > > Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a > goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique > engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm > taking. > > Grumpy George Maybe if folks didn't sit back and wait for others to do the posting there would be more on-topic stuff, George ? The Lists are what people make of them, you are either a contributor or a reader/lurker. What you see on the list reflects what people post to them, nothing else. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 13:26:29 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. In-Reply-To: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Ken, Gee, no religious posts on the "Off_Topic" discussion list? I guess that means that the praying and goat sacrificing stays "On-List" but "Off-Topic"? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - If it wasn't April 1st I would be concerned. On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Ken Christison wrote: > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share > their problems with other list folk as long as it is not engine related > and not political or religious in nature. Be prepared to use the > Delete key a lot :-) > > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic From alkamminga at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:52:01 2005 From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:52:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Sure. The place I used said they torqued to mfr specs. I asked for an explainaton. It went like this. Your mfr says to torque at 90, so we set the air pressure on the wrench to 90. My confidence level went somewhere besides up. Al Kamminga DeMotte Indiana >Wheel nuts are to be TORQUED on, period. >Use of impact is fine if all they do is run them up snug in the proper >pattern. >The wrenches WILL stop - however, most idiots that use them have no clue >how to set them down, they use them at max torque at all times. >They are not accurate........ so don't think you'll set it to a certain >"torque" setting and it will always be the same. > >They WILL warp certain rotors if used on the wheel nuts/bolts of cars with >disk brakes. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 14:06:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:06:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal Message-ID: Paul, I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it also is more work than I think you need to do. I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used some duct tape to keep the weights together. Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've done it several times and it should work for you. One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. WAIT George From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 14:09:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:09:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Latest Update on the Bessemer Half-Breed Message-ID: Hi Folks, Craig has finished boring the cylinder. Honing is next. Have a look... http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork36.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 14:12:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. In-Reply-To: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> References: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401171049.0266e108@mail.alltel.net> >y. Is Joe Prindle no longer on the list? Anyone know his email addy? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Joe left the List some time ago. Said that there was just too much OT stuff (actually he said "shit") for him to waste his time any longer. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 14:18:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:18:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401171407.026f3e10@mail.alltel.net> At 03:47 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Your drill bit is too short? That's an April Fool joke right? Or do you >buy your tools exclusively at 7-11? > >McMaster-Carr. 8" would cost you about $10, 12" about $15, and 18" about >$25. If you can't reach it with an 18" long drill bit, sell the engine. > >As to drilling off-center, I'm guessing you followed Paul Maple's lead and >chose to not make a drill guide? > >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Why the hell would Bill follow anyone's advice and use a guide? After all, he IS a MASTER mechanic (just ask him) and has even walked out of a job because of all the STUPID mechanics with whom he was working! Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 1 14:31:55 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:31:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Message-ID: <8a37ecd944ebb8fc366959f29d07612f@chartertn.net> Just to let y'all know, Ken's Off Topic List is alive and well. I've already posted on it. Gonna make George Best a happy man! :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 14:32:40 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:32:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OTTO connecting rod lubrication Message-ID: Fairly safe bet the grease zerk is not original. I've had several engines with grease cups on the connecting rod and would assume that is what your engine should have as well. Probably one of those spring loaded grease cups so it can run for longer periods without stopping. Problem is, if you want the correct one for your engine, it is most likely a high dollar item rather than something common. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MARVIN HEDBERG > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:06 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OTTO connecting rod lubrication > > what was the origional method of lubricating the connecting > rod crank end of a 2 HP vertical OTTO engine? mine has a > grease zerk in the side of the rod. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 14:34:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:34:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. In-Reply-To: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401173218.026f3e10@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ken, Old Iron, politics, religion and sex--those are the only things that I really care about. I'm glad that I can at least talk about one of them on your new list. Thanks for the opportunity! Dave At 02:55 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have >created a new >email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems >with other >list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or >religious in nature. Be >prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > >To subscribe, just go to: >http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 1 15:13:51 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:13:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c53710$78f56640$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > Larry Anger. > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > Bill > > Well said George. > > Keith In the past I have welded a cheap short drill to an extension rod to do jobs like this. Sometimes even boring the end of the rod on the lathe to accept the drill then silver soldering the joint to keep it perfectly parallel. I just looked in the workshop & found a quickly extended drill. I cannot remember what for but it must have worked. (I would have thrown it away otherwise.) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 1 15:14:14 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 01:14:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal References: Message-ID: <000501c53710$8973cfc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi George, I always use my old fashion 10 lbs weighting tooth puller for the keys. An image here to see :o) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/keypuller.jpg John H. > Paul, > > I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it > also is more work than I think you need to do. > > I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > > I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. > I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > > If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar > stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide > over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I > had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that > had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights > and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used > some duct tape to keep the weights together. > > Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to > the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've > done it several times and it should work for you. > > One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts > a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 15:24:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:24:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Message-ID: Not just me. You'd be surprised how many off list messages I've received from people that felt the same way but didn't want to post it. I have no problem with some off topic stuff, but when the majority of the postings are off topic the list suffers. Over the years we've lost a lot of people that used to post but got tired of using the delete key. Post all the Listeroid messages you want, but until you belt it up to the Hammond I'd rather not hear about it ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > John Culp > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic > > Just to let y'all know, Ken's Off Topic List is alive and > well. I've already posted on it. Gonna make George Best a > happy man! :-D > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 1 15:35:15 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:35:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <005001c53713$76627f00$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new > email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems > with other > list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or > religious in nature. Be > prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > Ken Christison Hi Ken, how long before we get the authentication E Mail? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Apr 1 15:46:29 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:46:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Grumpy George. Message-ID: <20050401.154629.448.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Cheer up George. Tulare is just 14 days away. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 16:09:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:09:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424DE2B1.1010900@earthlink.net> Hi George, Thanks for posting this. Same thoughts I had last night as I debated leaving the list. I have resisted the urge to post to any of the off topic stuff, but have replied off list to some of them. That is the way it should be done if there is an off topic question. Jeff Allen Best, George wrote: > >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > >Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > >Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >need to be discussing that here. > >Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > >Maybe this is the French car forum. > >Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > >Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > >Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > >Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >are about! > >What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > >I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >where I post it? > >I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >a fishing forum I post to. > >I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >belong to. > >When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > >I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >people love to trade their stories and problems. > >(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >kicking in!) > >I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >engine problem. > >(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >few sentences ago) > >I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >the majority of their postings are on topic. > >I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > >Grumpy George > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 16:13:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:13:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <424DE39B.7050901@earthlink.net> Bill, I posted how to do this several days ago including making a jig to center the drill bit. It would probably still work for you. I also bought several 8" bits at Ace for about ten bucks each because my crank sticks out. One would think if you had a problem with a gib key, you would have followed the posts. Jeff Allen bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to >finish taking it apart. >I've welded on it, no luck. >I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill >close enough. >It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. >Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that >one isn't in the way like it is this one. >Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > >Bill > > > >>Well said George. >>Keith >> >> >>At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >> >> >>>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>>need to be discussing that here. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >>> >>>Maybe this is the French car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >>> >>>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>>are about! >>> >>>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >>> >>>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>>where I post it? >>> >>>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>>a fishing forum I post to. >>> >>>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>>belong to. >>> >>>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >>> >>>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>>people love to trade their stories and problems. >>> >>>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>>kicking in!) >>> >>>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>>engine problem. >>> >>>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>>few sentences ago) >>> >>>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>>the majority of their postings are on topic. >>> >>>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>>taking. >>> >>>Grumpy George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 16:16:54 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:16:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424DE476.7090006@earthlink.net> Hi George, Do you happen to have pictures you could share? I will post them if you can't. Jeff Allen Best, George wrote: >Paul, > >I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it >also is more work than I think you need to do. > >I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > >I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. >I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > >If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar >stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide >over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I >had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that >had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights >and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used >some duct tape to keep the weights together. > >Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to >the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've >done it several times and it should work for you. > >One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts >a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 1 16:22:42 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:22:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal In-Reply-To: <000501c53710$8973cfc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200504020022.j320MdZ12310@pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com> I hear you, John---this is what we call a slide hammer-just gotta get a good weld to the key for it! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hammink Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gib key removal Hi George, I always use my old fashion 10 lbs weighting tooth puller for the keys. An image here to see :o) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/keypuller.jpg John H. > Paul, > > I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it > also is more work than I think you need to do. > > I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > > I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. > I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > > If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar > stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide > over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I > had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that > had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights > and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used > some duct tape to keep the weights together. > > Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to > the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've > done it several times and it should work for you. > > One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts > a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 1 16:28:06 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:28:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <001801c53710$78f56640$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200504020028.j320S3Z17614@pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com> No, you should be able to find (at least on this side of the pond) long (8" - 12") drill bits just about anywhere, including the local Ace Hardware. Back in my plumber days, we used such bits for locating all sorts of things---most often, "what's on the other side of the wall"...but there was this time my helper came to me..."Gene, there is smoke coming outta the wall under the sink..." Well, all I could figure was "Well, that is how they wired the range..." -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > Larry Anger. > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > Bill > > Well said George. > > Keith In the past I have welded a cheap short drill to an extension rod to do jobs like this. Sometimes even boring the end of the rod on the lathe to accept the drill then silver soldering the joint to keep it perfectly parallel. I just looked in the workshop & found a quickly extended drill. I cannot remember what for but it must have worked. (I would have thrown it away otherwise.) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Fri Apr 1 16:45:31 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:45:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start Message-ID: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> I am in the process of building a pony motor start mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking about 70 rpm. Other suggestions are also welcome. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 1 16:50:03 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 01:50:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c53710$78f56640$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000801c5371d$e95de030$fa4c1152@no1> Sorry Guys I forgot to post the picture. http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/311361423vuKAMc Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Anger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > > > > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the > key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as > previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > > Larry Anger. > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > > finish taking it apart. > > I've welded on it, no luck. > > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > > close enough. > > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill > > > Well said George. > > > Keith > > In the past I have welded a cheap short drill to an extension rod to do jobs like this. > Sometimes even boring the end of the rod on the lathe to accept the drill then silver > soldering the joint to keep it perfectly parallel. > I just looked in the workshop & found a quickly extended drill. > I cannot remember what for but it must have worked. > (I would have thrown it away otherwise.) 8^) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 1 16:49:52 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:49:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: Message-ID: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> Grumpy George, This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it is a forum of friends. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Fooled again > > Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > > Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > > Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure > a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't > need to be discussing that here. > > Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission > problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > > Maybe this is the French car forum. > > Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > > Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > > Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > > Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings > are about! > > What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings > here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > > I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess > where I post it? > > I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is > a fishing forum I post to. > > I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I > belong to. > > When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > > I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where > people love to trade their stories and problems. > > (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is > kicking in!) > > I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an > engine problem. > > (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a > few sentences ago) > > I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents > in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least > the majority of their postings are on topic. > > I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a > goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique > engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm > taking. > > Grumpy George > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Apr 1 17:13:59 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:13:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start In-Reply-To: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050401170945.02764ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 04:45 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > I am in the process of building a pony motor start >mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp >Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What >should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking >about 70 rpm. > Other suggestions are also welcome. > >Bob Willman >The Eagle's Anvil >Bowling Green, Ohio >WB8NQW Bob, Just as a data point since it is not the same engine, the air start system on the 2 cylinder 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE I work with runs it at about 80 rpm. Engine speed is about 300 rpm when running. Regards, Larry _______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 17:22:35 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:22:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. References: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050401171049.0266e108@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00e101c53722$7833bec0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> which alter ego you want ? Anyone know his email addy? > >Curt Holland > >Gastonia, NC From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 1 17:30:49 2005 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:30:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key Drilling Simpliefied Message-ID: <000001c53723$9b2eb640$6401a8c0@TBerry> The way I have used in my shop is to purchase a 8-12 inch drill bit the same diameter as the width of the Key.place the drill in the keyway and secure with two worm gear hose clamps installed snug but not tight. Attach drill motor ,oil clamps anddrill away . Besure to buy an aircraft drill because they only have about 2-3 inches of flute even on a 12" drill . Because of the short flute the drill will stay in the keyway groove and not damage the shaft or flywheel. Happy drilling.Tommy Berry From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 1 18:04:06 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:04:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest Update on the Bessemer Half-Breed Message-ID: <20050401.211045.1020.0.jlb94@juno.com> Holly Cow, Arnie When Craig's done she will be like new - - - Or better. Better not get on with both feet. ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 1 18:09:33 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:09:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <20050401.211045.1020.1.jlb94@juno.com> C'mon Grumpy - At least we're talkin' about something. I know it may not interest the majority - But there are times like this. The delete key is to the right of | \ I think Rick said it best - This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it is a forum of friends. Rick Thanks Rick - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 18:11:52 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:11:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] semi-OT: oil drain plug ideas Message-ID: <20050402021152.70976.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Wow! There sure were some good educational stories about oil drain plugs! My old 1972 Caterpillar D4D tractor has both an oil pan drain valve and a plug to seal it off. The plug is a one-inch cast iron pipe plug with an itty-bitty 5/8-inch square wrench grip to turn it, which won't transfer enough torque to damage the threads because the corners will become rounded over before that point. The same kind of idea needs to be used for automobile drain plugs to prevent damaged threads. A very large diameter plug with a very long thread engagement and very small head, say 5/8-inch diameter bolt by 3/4" long thread reach with a 1/2-inch hex head (16mm dia x 20mm long and 12mm hex), would be ideal to keep from getting damaged threads. The plug would also need a guide nose to keep the plug from being inserted cross-threaded, with a large round shoulder under the hex to take the bite of a chisel point to unscrew it with a hammer and chisel in case it somehow got too tight. To prevent a gorilla with a wrench from destroying drain plug threads, I have often thought about designing another kind of drain plug with a free-turning wrench grip with an ordinary 1/8-inch cotter pin through it to act as a shear pin. If a wrench-wielding gorilla tightens it too hard then the pin simply shears, which can be easily replaced with another ordinary mild steel cotter pin. In case it is stuck then a piece of 1/4-inch steel rod or drift punch tip can be inserted into a blind hole to lock it up to unscrew it. The unscrewing pin hole would need to be blind to keep the stupid wrench-bearing gorilla from leaving a 1/4-inch pin through it permanently, which would defeat the purpose of having a protective shear pin. If you look at new car 50,000-70,000 mile warranties, the oil drain plug is mentioned specifically as a non-covered item! Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 18:30:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:30:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start In-Reply-To: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401212534.026ae148@mail.alltel.net> At 07:45 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > I am in the process of building a pony motor start >mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp >Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What >should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking >about 70 rpm. > Other suggestions are also welcome. >Bob Willman Hi Bob, Why on earth do you need a "pony motor" to start this engine. If things are set up properly you should be able to start it by yourself with little or no problem. If things are not set up properly why not see that they are? I guarantee you the man who used it on an oil lease started it by himself. Dave From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 18:36:12 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:36:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c5372c$c2a37c70$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Personally, I enjoy many of the off topic threads. It gives us all a little better perspective on list members other activities. It sure beats the devil out of all those fence comments! Anyway, Brookville,Indiana swap meet is tomorrow. Lot's of old treasures just laying out in the open waiting for us old iron lovers to pick up, ponder, and maybe even spin a flywheel or two. Wow, hope none of my engine buddies asks me a computer question while I am concentrating strictly on old iron! By the way George, if you don't like deleting them a message at a time, try holding the shift key down while moving the mouse down over many messages, then click the mouse again at the last message you want deleted. Then, hit the delete key. Much quicker that way! Now, I can't figure out is this on topic or off topic? Maybe a little of both. Is that ok? Wonder if anything will follow me home from the swap meet tomorrow? Chuck Emsweller Rushville, Indiana -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Not just me. You'd be surprised how many off list messages I've received from people that felt the same way but didn't want to post it. I have no problem with some off topic stuff, but when the majority of the postings are off topic the list suffers. Over the years we've lost a lot of people that used to post but got tired of using the delete key. Post all the Listeroid messages you want, but until you belt it up to the Hammond I'd rather not hear about it ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > John Culp > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic > > Just to let y'all know, Ken's Off Topic List is alive and > well. I've already posted on it. Gonna make George Best a > happy man! :-D > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 18:41:55 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:41:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, I will have to disagree with you on this. This is supposed to be a stationary engine list. I consider many on the list friends even though I have never met them in person, but there are limits. I counted 41 replied to the oil pan issue in two days. Even worse is that the original question moved on to oil change intervals, and then to bashing mechanics. The OT computer question turned into a pissing match over operating systems. George said it well. There are forums dedicated to all of this OT stuff. I don't mind the occasional OT question, and will answer off list if I can help. If it is not in the general interest of stationary engines, it should not be replied to on the list. That's my last comment on this. I'll see how the next few days play out. For all the list I have found some great sites for your interests. http://www.hammond-organ.com/ http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=americanmotors;action=list http://www.dslreports.com/ Jeff Allen PS. Sigh, looks like goodbye. Two more off topic bullshit messages as I wrote this. Tod Engine wrote: > Grumpy George, > > This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version > of the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be > about engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But > foremost it is a forum of friends. > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:19 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fooled again > > >> >> Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >> Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >> Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >> a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >> need to be discussing that here. >> >> Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >> problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >> Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >> Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >> Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >> are about! >> >> What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >> here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >> I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >> where I post it? >> >> I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >> a fishing forum I post to. >> >> I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >> belong to. >> >> When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >> I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >> people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >> (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >> kicking in!) >> >> I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >> engine problem. >> >> (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >> few sentences ago) >> >> I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >> in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >> the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >> I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >> goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >> engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >> taking. >> >> Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 20:48:33 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:48:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160504012048336c83c@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 3:41 AM, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Rick, > > I will have to disagree with you on this. This is supposed to be a > stationary engine list. I consider many on the list friends even though > I have never met them in person, but there are limits. I counted 41 > replied to the oil pan issue in two days. Even worse is that the > original question moved on to oil change intervals, and then to bashing > mechanics. The OT computer question turned into a pissing match over > operating systems. George said it well. There are forums dedicated to > all of this OT stuff. I don't mind the occasional OT question, and will > answer off list if I can help. If it is not in the general interest of > stationary engines, it should not be replied to on the list. That's my > last comment on this. I'll see how the next few days play out. For all > the list I have found some great sites for your interests. > > http://www.hammond-organ.com/ > > http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=americanmotors;action=list > > http://www.dslreports.com/ > > Jeff Allen > PS. Sigh, looks like goodbye. Two more off topic bullshit messages as I > wrote this. Hopefully ALL those guys who complained about the LACK of posts so many times when things did get quiet will now come forward and fill the list with on-tpoic stuff ??? Similarly those now complaining that there are too many OT posts will do the same ??? I think not, history will repeat itself. There are lurkers and there are posters. It's no good sitting back and expecting everyone else to do the work, if there are no posts there is no List. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 20:49:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:49:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f602516050401204975f9203b@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 1:49 AM, Tod Engine wrote: > Grumpy George, > > This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of > the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about > engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it > is a forum of friends. > > Rick Thanks, Rick, nice to see a couple of folks have their heads screwed on right here. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 1 22:56:45 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:56:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> Hey Jeff, I have been on this list for a few years now. This happens about several times a year and people threaten to leave and sometimes do. As you noticed, they are still here. I even got a off list reprimand from one of the members years ago when he thought I should hold back if I wasn't absolutely sure about what I was saying. He is still here and so am I. On a different note, I hauled out my Massey Harris yesterday and after a couple of cranks, if fired up and ran for a while before I had to get on with home stuff. Spring is almost here. Duncan Jeff Allen wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 1 22:59:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:59:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424E42B9.2040509@wightman.ca> Yawn.......................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Best, George wrote: > >Not just me. You'd be surprised how many off list messages I've >received from people that felt the same way but didn't want to post it. > >I have no problem with some off topic stuff, but when the majority of >the postings are off topic the list suffers. Over the years we've lost >a lot of people that used to post but got tired of using the delete key. > >Post all the Listeroid messages you want, but until you belt it up to >the Hammond I'd rather not hear about it ;-) > >George > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 15:03:15 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:03:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: spot on George i use this method as well it has never failed me. I also use a g clamp if tab is still on the key, by clamping the g clamp on top fo the key and using a tapered wedge the wedge cant climb up the tab. Dave in oz >From: "Best, George" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:06:15 -0600 > >Paul, > >I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it >also is more work than I think you need to do. > >I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > >I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. >I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > >If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar >stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide >over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I >had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that >had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights >and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used >some duct tape to keep the weights together. > >Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to >the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've >done it several times and it should work for you. > >One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts >a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 00:47:22 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:47:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Completely OT: March, comes in like a? Message-ID: <20050402084722.67886.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> In like a lion, out like a lamb! That?s what they say about March. Except on the other side of the Equator in the south of Africa, where March comes in like an elephant and goes out like an aardvark. In India the elephants are a little smaller than the ones in Africa and they don?t even have aardvarks, so over there, despite being north of the Equator, it comes in like a tiger and goes out like a goat! But in Paraguay, it comes in like a rhea and goes out like a capybara. However, up in Alaska and down in Tierra del Fuego it never comes in at all. On the other hand, the opposite goes for Lichtenstein, where it never goes out! And everybody knows that in Oz it goes out like a kangaroo but immediately comes back in like an emu! Okay! Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 18:33:04 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:33:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: On my tractor with oilfield engine I belt start the engine with hydraulics through the transmission. I barely roll the engine over fast enough to get cranked over TDC under compression. Guys who start oilfields by hand rock piston up against compression without cranking over TDC. I don't have tractor out of storage yet or I would measure belt pulley rpm. Guess I'm really not much help right now! Jim Hunter ----- Original Message ----- From: Blacksmith To: engines Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Pony Start I am in the process of building a pony motor start mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking about 70 rpm. Other suggestions are also welcome. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 02:26:30 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:26:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <424E7356.1060303@comcast.net> What if you have an antique vehicle, with the corresponding Antique Engine? But I see your point.Don't talk about the vehicle,just the engine and fuel system.No transmissions,tires, lug nuts, lighting,etc.I left out cooling.Surely cooling the engine is ok. Keith Kinney wrote: > Well said George. > Keith > > > At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > >> >> Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >> Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >> Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >> a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >> need to be discussing that here. >> >> Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >> problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >> Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >> Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >> Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >> are about! >> >> What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >> here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >> I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >> where I post it? >> >> I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >> a fishing forum I post to. >> >> I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >> belong to. >> >> When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >> I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >> people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >> (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >> kicking in!) >> >> I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >> engine problem. >> >> (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >> few sentences ago) >> >> I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >> in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >> the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >> I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >> goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >> engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >> taking. >> >> Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 02:28:46 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:28:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424E73DE.6040808@comcast.net> Darn it, I forgot.The antique vehicle's engine must be stationary.That leaves out the transmission,rear end,axles,suspension.........but it's OK to talk about the engine as long as the vehicle is not moving.....OK. Best, George wrote: > >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > >Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > >Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >need to be discussing that here. > >Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > >Maybe this is the French car forum. > >Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > >Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > >Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > >Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >are about! > >What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > >I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >where I post it? > >I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >a fishing forum I post to. > >I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >belong to. > >When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > >I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >people love to trade their stories and problems. > >(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >kicking in!) > >I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >engine problem. > >(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >few sentences ago) > >I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >the majority of their postings are on topic. > >I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > >Grumpy George > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 13:48:06 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:48:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2873.165.206.180.144.1112392086.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Unfortunately, it's a bit late now. I will still buy the longer bits - just because I really should have them! Bill > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key > is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as > previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > > Larry Anger. > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill > >> Well said George. >> Keith >> >> >> At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>>need to be discussing that here. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >>> >>>Maybe this is the French car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >>> >>>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>>are about! >>> >>>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >>> >>>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>>where I post it? >>> >>>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>>a fishing forum I post to. >>> >>>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>>belong to. >>> >>>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >>> >>>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>>people love to trade their stories and problems. >>> >>>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>>kicking in!) >>> >>>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>>engine problem. >>> >>>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>>few sentences ago) >>> >>>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>>the majority of their postings are on topic. >>> >>>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>>taking. >>> >>>Grumpy George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 2 02:56:27 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy all, I know that this is not much of an engine question but it is info that I would like to know as I kick around ideas for putting together a buzz saw rig. Does anybody know the weight of a 4 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? What about a 6 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? The reason for the question is looking at the logistics of what I can handle. My thinking at this point is to mount a Famous on a Hercules straight frame cart with a buzz saw table. If the weight difference between the 4 hp and 6 hp isn't too much, I may aim towards the 6 hp size. Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Apr 2 03:43:57 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:43:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a supplier? thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 2 04:07:25 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:07:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question References: Message-ID: <000d01c5377c$8c454730$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Mike a quick look in the book says: 4 hp Famous less skids 1380. 6 hp Famous less skids 1920. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all, > > I know that this is not much of an engine question but it is info > that I would like to know as I kick around ideas for putting together > a buzz saw rig. Does anybody know the weight of a 4 hp screen cooled > IHC Famous? What about a 6 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? The reason > for the question is looking at the logistics of what I can handle. > My thinking at this point is to mount a Famous on a Hercules straight > frame cart with a buzz saw table. If the weight difference between > the 4 hp and 6 hp isn't too much, I may aim towards the 6 hp size. > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Apr 2 04:13:14 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 07:13:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050401204975f9203b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601c5377d$58b20ab0$a65bef18@pengy> Well at least that's how I always viewed this list and I've been here for nine years. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > On Apr 2, 2005 1:49 AM, Tod Engine wrote: >> Grumpy George, >> >> This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of >> the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about >> engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost >> it >> is a forum of friends. >> >> Rick > > Thanks, Rick, nice to see a couple of folks have their heads screwed > on right here. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Apr 2 04:41:28 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 07:41:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An Interesting Discovery Message-ID: <005b01c53781$4a4e1ff0$a65bef18@pengy> I was over at the Tod Engine museum site yesterday working on our new "toy", the Allis Chalmers front end loader. At some point I walked over to the LP bedplate and something caught my eye on the inside of the casting in the conn rod sump pit. It appears that a moulder at the William Tod plant had scribed his initials, "W.E." in the mold before the casting was poured and his initials were cast into the bedplate. Seeing that really made me think about something that I don't normally think about, and that is the many people who labored long and hard to turn a pile of pig iron and scrap into a magnificent piece of steam machinery. I wonder who M.E. was? He obviously was a moulder. Did he speak english? How many engines did he help build? Did he live up the hill and walk over the Market Street bridge to work everyday? Or did he take the trolley? It was 1913 so his house probably had no electricity and no phone. One thing is for sure I'll bet that he had no idea that those initials would grace the last Tod rolling mill engines in existence and still be around 92 years later. Thanks M.E. for building us a good engine! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 2 05:05:17 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:05:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing In-Reply-To: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > supplier? Hi Curt, Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you the perfect packing to match your exact application. www.mcmaster.com www.acdepuydt.com =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Apr 2 05:49:39 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:49:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <001901c5378a$d1398730$6400a8c0@shuttle> man BOB it would be more fun to have a shotgun start just like starting a pt-19 ?? w8zrz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 2 05:56:29 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:56:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <003801c5372c$c2a37c70$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <003801c5372c$c2a37c70$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <1112450189.424ea48d9f367@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, Another solution to George's concern is to take advantage of the OT or "Off Topic" in the subject line and automatically redirect those emails to either a Trash folder or an "Off Topic" folder if you think there might be something of interest for reading on a slow day. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting chuck emsweller : > By the way George, if you don't like deleting them a message at a time, > try holding the shift key down while moving the mouse down over many > messages, then click the mouse again at the last message you want > deleted. Then, hit the delete key. Much quicker that way! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 05:59:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:59:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing In-Reply-To: <200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504020559768f76b0@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 2:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > supplier? > > Hi Curt, > Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you > the perfect packing to match your exact application. > > www.mcmaster.com > > www.acdepuydt.com > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner No chance of getting a Teflon ring turned up to do the job? or even a high-temp O ring, the sort that are used for pushrod tubes on air-cooled engines? Just a thought as I sit here working on a Saturday...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 2 06:58:22 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:58:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c5377c$8c454730$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000d01c5377c$8c454730$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: >Hi Mike a quick look in the book says: >4 hp Famous less skids 1380. >6 hp Famous less skids 1920. John, Thanks a ton for the info!!!! Take care, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From svsuzanne at copper.net Sat Apr 2 08:01:10 2005 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing References: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f6025160504020559768f76b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c5379d$3202e1d0$d4248241@your6wz9c9s4x1> Any marine supply store has it. Or, West Marine .com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing > On Apr 2, 2005 2:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type >> > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine >> > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a >> > supplier? >> >> Hi Curt, >> Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you >> the perfect packing to match your exact application. >> >> www.mcmaster.com >> >> www.acdepuydt.com >> >> =-=-=-=-=-= >> Rob Skinner > > No chance of getting a Teflon ring turned up to do the job? or even a > high-temp O ring, the sort that are used for pushrod tubes on > air-cooled engines? > > Just a thought as I sit here working on a Saturday...:-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 > From ELIDAS at aol.com Sat Apr 2 09:24:59 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:24:59 EST Subject: [SEL] semi-OT: oil drain plug ideas Message-ID: <1d5.39777b4b.2f802f6b@aol.com> In a message dated 4/1/2005 9:47:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, linstrum55 at yahoo.com writes: The same kind of idea needs to be used for automobile drain plugs to prevent damaged threads. Chrysler uses what appears to be a very soft plug. These plugs have the gasket built in. They strip out long before the pan threads are damaged. I'd like to think they did it on purpose. From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 10:59:48 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:59:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tulare Message-ID: Yes!!! Looking forward to it, but then I'm also in some ways looking more forward to the trip down. As usual I've got plans to visit several collectors on the way down. A new one this trip has over 200 engines and lives up in the gold country. See you at Tulare. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:46 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Tulare > > Cheer up George. > Tulare is just 14 days away. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 11:08:33 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:08:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <1112450189.424ea48d9f367@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000901c537b7$61f0a1b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Good point Arnie! Quite a few engines at the Brookville swap meet today. Kind of surprised us being a cold rainy April day. Anyway, did pick up a nice little 1 1/2 horse Sandow upright engine. Life is good! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Hi Chuck, Another solution to George's concern is to take advantage of the OT or "Off Topic" in the subject line and automatically redirect those emails to either a Trash folder or an "Off Topic" folder if you think there might be something of interest for reading on a slow day. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting chuck emsweller : > By the way George, if you don't like deleting them a message at a time, > try holding the shift key down while moving the mouse down over many > messages, then click the mouse again at the last message you want > deleted. Then, hit the delete key. Much quicker that way! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 11:21:43 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:21:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: > This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an > online version of the conversation those friends have at > engine shows. It could be about engines, or other machinery > or something totally unrelated. But foremost it is a forum of friends. > > Rick Rick, I agree, we all talk about other topics. Nothing wrong with off topic postings, unless that is all a person contributes to the list. Some of us get tired when the vast majority of the postings are endless off topic discussions. George From mholland at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 2 13:08:47 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:08:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question Message-ID: Hi Mike, I checked orginial IHC literature and found the following saw rigs. 4 hp - 2835 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 6 hp - 3275 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 8 hp - 4040 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 10 hp - 4235 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 12 hp - 4755 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler I hope this helps. Missy > Howdy all, > > I know that this is not much of an engine question but it is info > that I would like to know as I kick around ideas for putting together > a buzz saw rig. Does anybody know the weight of a 4 hp screen cooled > IHC Famous? What about a 6 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? The reason > for the question is looking at the logistics of what I can handle. > My thinking at this point is to mount a Famous on a Hercules straight > frame cart with a buzz saw table. If the weight difference between > the 4 hp and 6 hp isn't too much, I may aim towards the 6 hp size. > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 13:32:24 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:32:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this in your area. To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your engines/tractors. I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely don't even know about the regular shows. Any comments on parking lot shows? From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 13:41:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:41:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Message-ID: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 2 14:20:56 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 17:20:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050402222056.5170.qmail@web51410.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations Paul - I knew you could do it. Nexdt time it will be easier. Larry Anger. Paul Maples wrote: Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it! did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 14:22:18 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:22:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504022222.j32MMN3X074780@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> George, It might be a good opportunity to pick up some "Out of circulation iron". Cya at Turlare Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this in your area. To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your engines/tractors. I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely don't even know about the regular shows. Any comments on parking lot shows? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 04:20:47 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:20:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing References: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Curt; Maybe http://www.mcmaster.com/ around page 3240. I think you can punch that in in the window. Maybe just search packing and get all the results Didn't see teflon tho but they list PTFE RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type packing to rebuild > my > Stover model "C" 5hp engine fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > supplier? > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 14:29:54 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:29:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! In-Reply-To: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 10:41 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. > Paul Well done, Paul, glad it all worked out OK in the end :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 14:31:31 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:31:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! In-Reply-To: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200504022231.j32MVawI077530@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Paul,I missed the beginning so bear with me. Why are you going through this much work? Thanks ,Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:42 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 14:31:40 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:31:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424F1D4C.6000805@scrtc.com> Wow Missy, a 12 HP saw rig could have whacked some big wood! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I checked orginial IHC literature and found the following saw rigs. > >4 hp - 2835 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >6 hp - 3275 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >8 hp - 4040 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >10 hp - 4235 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >12 hp - 4755 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler > >I hope this helps. >Missy > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 2 15:16:27 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:16:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <001601c537da$0034b6a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows > Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is > something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this > in your area. > > To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall > show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your > engines/tractors. > > I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting > spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely > don't even know about the regular shows. > > Any comments on parking lot shows? Hi George, this reminds me of the hobby in England 20 years ago when we had quite a few Pub car park shows. I still remember running a Danish BLA 5HP engine all day. When I came to move it I found the Exhaust which was pointing downward had blown a large hole in the Tarmac. (Road surface) We packed up & left pretty sharp! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 16:10:20 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:10:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f001c537e1$881f7760$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! > On Apr 2, 2005 10:41 PM, Paul Maples wrote: >> Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or >> crankshaft. > > > >> Paul > > Well done, Paul, glad it all worked out OK in the end :-)) > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 2 16:12:15 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:12:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001001c537e1$cbc9b390$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul Hi Paul, Was the gib key parallel, with the taper in the flywheel boss as Roland Craven said on the English Engine List? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Apr 2 16:36:38 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:36:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com> <00f001c537e1$881f7760$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <003b01c537e5$3495fb10$bfcb7043@D6R3D961> But how do you really feel about that? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 16:49:41 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:49:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > George, It might be a good opportunity to pick up some "Out > of circulation iron". Cya at Turlare Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan Jimmy, That is kind of my thinking too ;-) At a parking lot show the majority of the people passing by would be there to go shopping and would normally never attend an engine show. The curiosity of something odd in the parking lot that others are looking at might draw them over and remind them of that old piece of junk uncle Joe has next to the barn. I would be surprised if you could put on a show without at least one person telling one of the exhibitors that they know the location of an engine. George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 2 16:53:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:53:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504030053.j330rQLA009197@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Any comments on parking lot shows? Hi George, I just walked in the door from the Highland Citrus Festival. Our display area was the parking lot of a church. Does this count as a "parking lot show?" There were food vendors, local businesses under canopies, service groups, etc. I really enjoy these types of shows because of the diversity of the spectators. They're just as impressed by a Maytag twin than they are a Stickney Jr. I brought out a FM Style D belted to a vacuum pump, which was attached to a milking machine. It was a lot of fun. When I get the pictures up, I'll post a link. Perhaps I can beat Ron Haskell to the punch, but don't count on it. That boy don't procrastinate. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Apr 2 16:53:50 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:53:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross Message-ID: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> To OZ members I have just been given a Southern Cross ET-B 2.5 HP Air Cooled (for overseas members) motor. Serial number is 43868. Any clues as to its age. I would have thought sometime from the 50's. Looks like I will need a few parts - know anybody who can help. Will try to have photo shortly. Ron From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 17:03:01 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:03:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <424F40C5.2010200@scrtc.com> Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of days? Just curious how things sold. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 17:31:26 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com><00f001c537e1$881f7760$230110ac@PAUL> <003b01c537e5$3495fb10$bfcb7043@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <012901c537ec$dcbbec80$230110ac@PAUL> Fantastic but I am going to get better....trust me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! > But how do you really feel about that? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 18:11:53 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:11:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron wheels Message-ID: <424F50E9.2010108@earthlink.net> Hi all, This guy seems to have an endless supply of cast iron wheels and is selling them on E-bay. Several sizes and they always change. I have purchased two sets and no complaints. Check this link for one set and then look at sellers other items for more. Prices seem to be pretty good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7504332387&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Jeff Allen From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 18:26:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:26:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > I really enjoy these types of shows because of the diversity > of the spectators. > They're just as impressed by a Maytag twin than they are a > Stickney Jr. I brought out a FM Style D belted to a vacuum > pump, which was attached to a milking machine. It was a lot of fun. > Rob Skinner Rob, That was one of the things I was thinking about parking lot shows. Since most of the spectators know nothing about the engines they will be impressed with anything running. From jimjirik at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 18:59:41 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:59:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <27418118.1112497181498.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Turner Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of days? Just curious how things sold. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 20:16:48 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:16:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <410-2200540341648453@earthlink.net> The Bauer sold for $5300. I was standing next to Wayne Walker when it sold. He told me that he really wanted it to bring at least $5000 and was happy when it did. Just about all the engines were pretty much in need of a lot of work in order to get them to run, most needed unstuck and parts and more parts. Seems that they went for more than they should have but that is only my opinion. The items that were sold on Friday were the line shaft parts and line shaft machines. This stuff was pretty much junk as none of them were complete and were all rusty. The best stuff he had was not for sale and or already moved to his new place. The 8 hp NB Fairbanks was about the most cobled up peice I seen there along with the wrong flywheels but still sold for about $3500. > [Original Message] > From: Jim Jirik > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/2/2005 9:01:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > > My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. > > Jim Jirik > Bonner Springs, KS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tommy Turner > Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > > Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of > days? Just curious how things sold. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 2 20:21:07 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:21:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross References: 214555511 Message-ID: <10a601c53804$8eb2e300$0201010a@Portable> Ron,going by Rob Laurent's book "Southern Cross" your engine was made in late 1952. They were made drom 1951 to 1956. Yours should have a flat top piston where as the later ones from 55 on had a protusion on the crown. I have all the settings and data for it if you need it. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross To OZ members I have just been given a Southern Cross ET-B 2.5 HP Air Cooled (for overseas members) motor. Serial number is 43868. Any clues as to its age. I would have thought sometime from the 50's. Looks like I will need a few parts - know anybody who can help. Will try to have photo shortly. Ron _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Apr 2 20:35:39 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:35:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question Message-ID: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far enough to see if there is compression. I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar engines, nothing exactly like this one. This one has an ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and overflow fuel return from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, since it was a water pumper. might have diverted some of the pumped water for cooling. You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. _Click here: You've Got Pictures_ (http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 20:36:07 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:36:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS In-Reply-To: <27418118.1112497181498.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <27418118.1112497181498.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <424F72B7.2060806@scrtc.com> Jim, Thanks for the info. You mention Stickney Jr. Do you mean the 1 3/4 HP Stickney? That was the only Stickney engine advertised. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim Jirik wrote: >My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. > >Jim Jirik >Bonner Springs, KS > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tommy Turner >Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > >Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of >days? Just curious how things sold. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 21:15:01 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:15:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> References: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <424F7BD4.9020907@scrtc.com> Ron, I keep getting the message that the photos aren't there?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, > >Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The >son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he >called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves >before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The >exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far >enough to see if there is compression. > >I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar engines, nothing >exactly like this one. This one has an ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and >overflow fuel return from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking >beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, since it was a >water pumper. might have diverted some of the pumped water for cooling. > >You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. > >_Click here: You've Got Pictures_ >(http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) > >Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 2 21:41:54 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:41:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross In-Reply-To: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <424F8222.80502@optusnet.com.au> Ron Page wrote: >To OZ members > >I have just been given a Southern Cross ET-B 2.5 HP Air Cooled (for overseas members) motor. Serial number is 43868. Any clues as to its age. I would have thought sometime from the 50's. Looks like I will need a few parts - know anybody who can help. Will try to have photo shortly. > >Ron >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > G'day Ron I have restored an ET-B (with help from Ray Freeman) so if I can be of any help give me a call. I am in Perth - where are you? I have a copy of the Instruction Manual which I purchased from Jeff Holley. It is Book 1083, and I think $10 covered cost and postage. This book has a list of part numbers and illustrations. The original colour is Indian red. Jeff's address is: 54 Adamson Tce, Bordertown SA 5268 and he is very helpful (and quick) to deal with. He had an article in TOMM on the larger 4 HP model ET-C in Feb-March 1999 which may be useful, as there was not much difference, just a bit smaller all over - same stroke (3.5") but bigger bore ( 3.375" against 2.75") Our engine has the piston with the protrusion which pokes up into the pre-combustion chamber and cut-away relief for the valves, so is an early model, but I do not have the engine number to hand. JW? From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 2 21:42:19 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:42:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <20050402.214219.1020.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today our club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put on a small show in Highland CA. ( That is about as far North and East in the Los Angeles basin an you can go). Weather was about perfect, near 80? F, with light breeze. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31706982&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 3 05:00:33 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:00:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally Message-ID: <200504031200.j33C0k81064052@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I am home from a little 1200km weekend trip to attend the first rally held by the Wagga Wagga club. The rally was held in an excellent location on nice thick turf which is a nice change (given the drought). There was a nice line up of engines with everything from the Wagga club's giant lamp-start Robson, to a nice selection of IHC engines, a number of different Australs and lots of nice English, American and Australian engines. The rally was well organised and the club members were friendly and helpful and everyone had a great weekend. I caught up with quite a few engine friends and many lies were told ;) I took along my 5.5hp Buzacott and it performed flawlessly all weekend only stopping when intentionally shut down or when it eventually ran out of fuel. While down that way I dug my 4.5hp Massey-Harris out of my father's shed to finally bring it home. It had been stored for four years and started first pull! Yesterday it was 30c on the rally ground (it is autumn here) and today was almost as hot. A strong westerly today caused enormous dust clouds (a symptom of the drought) making it very hard to see on the roads and making a fine mess of my car and of the engines. The drive home was not fun :( I will have some pics up on my site later in the week but for now here is one for Reg: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wagga05/05040302.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Apr 3 06:47:18 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 08:47:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> References: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <424FF3E6.6040709@wightman.ca> Hi Ron, I get sent to an encripted page looking for a log in. Duncan MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, > >Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The >son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he >called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves >before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The >exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far >enough to see if there is compression. > >I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar engines, nothing >exactly like this one. This one has an ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and >overflow fuel return from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking >beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, since it was a >water pumper. might have diverted some of the pumped water for cooling. > >You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. > >_Click here: You've Got Pictures_ >(http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) > >Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sun Apr 3 06:24:08 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:24:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally Message-ID: <53.24cc0b9e.2f814878@aol.com> In a message dated 3/04/2005 10:21:30 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > Hey Patrick where is his club badge and insurance card > Woody Peter Woodmore 27 Craig Ave Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 07:28:03 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:28:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2005 1:22:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of > the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about > engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it > is a forum of friends. > > Rick Thanks, Rick, nice to see a couple of folks have their heads screwed on right here. >> I will apologies for starting the Honda oil plug "OT" discussion and offending any of the folks on this list. But, I did make it "OT", and I was looking for some help/information from some of the many and varied experts on this list before I went to the Honda dealer raising cain! I did not start the topic just to get the list talking! I would also like to thank the list members for the many "OT" computer help discussions over the years. Being a computer illiterate usage person I have learned much from this group about computer tips/techniques/how to fix/etc. Were it not for these many "OT" computer discussions I might still be trying to figure out how to turn the thing on! Of course I have also learned much about a lot of topics related to the old engines. Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine related! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 07:35:18 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question Message-ID: Ron, Would love to take a look at your pictures, but I can't view them. First of all, to view them you have to be logged in with a user id and password. I didn't have one, and there doesn't appear to be a way for a non AOL subscriber to get one. I think you need to give us your user id and password so we can view your pictures, or put them on one of the free services like Epson which anyone can view. George Ps. You can also email the pictures as attachments to: George_best at apd.com > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:36 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; oldengin at udata.com > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question > > Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, > > Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas > engine. The son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with > father-in-law's funeral costs and he called me to help him > identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves > before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, > too. The > exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. > I did not turn far > enough to see if there is compression. > > I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar > engines, nothing exactly like this one. This one has an > ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and overflow fuel return > from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking > beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, > since it was a water pumper. might have diverted some of the > pumped water for cooling. > > You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. > > _Click here: You've Got Pictures_ > (http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm > &filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) > > Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I > offer in trade? > > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 07:39:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:39:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <1c1.25836a01.2f815a09@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2005 6:00:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << Any comments on parking lot shows? >> George Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at 5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the $10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 07:48:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:48:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Message-ID: <1f0.392b139f.2f815c56@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2005 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. >> That is great news Paul. Way to go! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 3 07:59:40 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:59:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> >engines. > >Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine >related! >Thanks, >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, If my count is accurate there are about 300 people on our List. Three of those people objected to the great amount of OT posts of late. That's 1%! (If I were a democrat pollster I would claim that therefore 99% support you.) Additionally, the objection(s) was (were) not about your original OT post, but rather the MANY replies that were nothing more than a very few people telling the world (over and over again) that ONLY they knew enough to properly change the oil in their car/truck. It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the answer is given that some others need always to chime in giving no additional information and adding nothing to the thread except their feeble attempt to show everyone how much they KNOW (or think they know) about the topic. It's really those inane comments that were being objected to, not your original post. Dave PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 08:15:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:15:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 3:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine > related! > > Thanks, > Tom Schmutz Or even woe be it... :-)) Tom: I don't think most folks really worry that much, and even George has his moments when he needs the occasional bit of help (as we all do) so don't worry too much about it. If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon dry up as we have seen before, and a little bit of slightly OT stuff causes no harm, especially when you see Professor Dave joining in! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 08:19:03 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <1f0.392b139f.2f815c56@aol.com> Message-ID: <004e01c53860$7aaa6390$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Tom, without the help and encouragement of the List I probably would not have tried it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! > In a message dated 4/2/2005 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > << Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or > crankshaft. >> > > That is great news Paul. Way to go! > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 08:22:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:22:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605040308227c20e634@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 3:35 PM, Best, George wrote: > Ron, > > Would love to take a look at your pictures, but I can't view them. > > First of all, to view them you have to be logged in with a user id and > password. I didn't have one, and there doesn't appear to be a way for a > non AOL subscriber to get one. > > I think you need to give us your user id and password so we can view > your pictures, or put them on one of the free services like Epson which > anyone can view. > > George George: There is a link on that initial signin box to create a new account, but having looked through the T&C's and knowing AOL's propensity for selling it's mailing list, I gracefully declined. Webshots is one of the free (up to a certain limit on size) display sites, Epson also do one, plus of course there is Oldengine.org for personal websites on engine stuff. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Apr 3 08:31:58 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> Hi Dave, I think you are right in that there are often many replies that are just rehashes of earlier ones. One reason might be that we aren't all getting our mail very promptly. Most of the posts I get are around a half hour getting to me. Sunny and windy in the swamps of NC. Ken > > Hi Tom, > It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the answer is given > that some others need always to chime in giving no additional information > > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! From MBellar at aol.com Sun Apr 3 08:46:51 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:46:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Rumely OilTurn Message-ID: <105.5e1fec50.2f8169eb@aol.com> Last fall I visited my FATG friend. He suggested that I might be interested in looking at a new pile of rusty iron setting on three pallets along side a huge cart. The only thing that I instantly recognized was the sheet metal from the exhaust vent that looked like it was from an OilPull tractor. He said to check out page 436 in the BRB. Sure enough, the the rusty pile assembled in my mind to fit Wendell's picture of a 30 HP Rumely OilTurn. Over the winter the crankshaft and camshaft was turned down, the cylinder resleeved along with refitting the piston, connecting rod and rod bearing. $$$$$. I think he said that the connecting rod was recast. The block and cart were cleaned up to look like new. About two weeks ago I helped pour thirty pounds of babbitt for the lower half of the mains and camshaft. The top half remain to be poured. A Machinist friend of his assembled four jigs that allowed him to place shafts in the block in place of the crank and camshaft for pouring. The jigs also formed dams so that side thrust edges of the bushings would be perfect. The machinist mentioned to me that the jig he built allowed him to adjust the crank to within 0.0001" perpendicular to the cylinder, and allowed him to accurately set the backlash for the cam gears. ----- More to follow as work progresses,---- One other quick taught. The FATG has an industrial powder coat oven that is big enough to park a tractor inside. Just in case any of you are interested in powder coating a large engine. In fact, we used the oven to heat the Rumely block prior to pouring the babbitt. Tom Bellar From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 09:01:52 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:01:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <19a.310266b1.2f816d70@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/2005 11:34:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon dry up as we have seen before >> I started to say something about the number of "OT" topics versus the engine related topics, but that would have been "OT" so decided against it. I personally think many of the OT topics spruce up the list discussions and if not for them it would completely die out. I do not join any other discussion sites due to being simple minded and only enough mental capacity to handle one and also the time involved. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 09:03:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:03:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 4:31 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I think you are right in that there are often many replies that are just > rehashes > of earlier ones. One reason might be that we aren't all getting our mail > very > promptly. Most of the posts I get are around a half hour getting to me. > > Sunny and windy in the swamps of NC. > > Ken Do you want to try Google Gmail?? I have a few Gmail invites that I can give out to people that I know. It is web-based, not an ISP, so as long as you have web access you can use it. I have been using it for a month or so, and it works pretty well for me as I flit from home to work and back, so I need a universal email source that is not ISP-specific. No Spam either as yet, although I don't go onto newsgroups with it like I do with my older email address. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 09:12:45 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> I have hesitated to add my two cents to the O.T. subject because, as you all know, I have been a heavy contributor to the O.T. posts. I was informed when I joined this list that it was made up of a wealth of different people who possessed different cultures, skills, and knowledge and knowing this I often tap into this resource to help me out in some day to day problem I have. We have Professors, Nuclear Engineers, Computer Specialist, Doctors, Electricians, Plumbers, Builders, Blacksmiths, Welders, Fabricators, Civil Servants, and many many, more. Never, and I repeat Never have I not received a response to an O.T. problem I was having and in 99% of the time the knowledge that exists on this list solved my problem. Far from separating me from the List this only endeared me more to it. Knowing that you have a cyber family of over 300 people with whom many will be there for you through thick and thin is comforting and reassuring to me. I, like others, feel that this List would suffer if we shut down all of the O.T. subjects, in other words turned our backs on our neighbors who were asking for our help. By preceding the Subject line with O.T. lets everyone know that it is an off-engine subject so if someone is not interested just don't open it. However, for me, and I am sure many more of you, I open and read everyone of them thinking just maybe there may be a time I can return the many favors of help that this list has so generously given me. Now is this response meant to run down the few folks who have just voiced their opposition to O.T. subjects.......NO....some of these same folks have helped this old man have a better day through their help and I am indebted to them and to them I now say "Thank You", you helped me when I needed it and this means as much to me as helping me with an engine problem. What person on this List would not help out his neighbor if they had a need and you had the means to help them, I don't mean letting someone use you just because you have a certain skill or have a local shop, I mean really helping someone who needed you. The greatest gratification I believe I have ever gotten out of life was when I made wooden crafts for three local Nursing Homes and donated them to the residents so that they could have something to do because I knew these folks could not return the favor, there is something in the human psyche that yearns to help his fellow man. So as Mr. Rotigel so aptly pointed out less than 1% of the folks see this as a problem which we can then surmise that 99% like and enjoy the opportunity to help others with their non-engine problems and I know, I just know, that these 1% folks would be one of the first to respond to someone on the list with an O.T. subject if they thought they could help........sure you would, you know why I know this? because you have helped me in the past with O.T. problems. So let's reunite our family and let everyone know that "Yes", this is an engine List, but we care about you past just our interest in engines and if we can help one another with a problem, help one another have a better day, bring a smile when there was a smirk, reassure someone who is in doubt, help someone enjoy life a little more because we were able to remove a worry they had......then by golly we are going to do it. Life is not a dress rehearsal, we get one shot at it and then we are gone, let's help one another as we make our first and final pass through life. For all of you who have helped me, and whom I know will continue to help me in the future, thank you and God Bless You, you did remove a worry I had, you did bring a smile to my face, you did help me get through a bad time, you did help my family by helping me solve a problem, you did reassure my faith in the human race and for this and much, much more, I will forever be indebted to you. I am done, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > On Apr 3, 2005 3:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine >> related! >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Schmutz > > Or even woe be it... :-)) > > Tom: I don't think most folks really worry that much, and even George > has his moments when he needs the occasional bit of help (as we all > do) so don't worry too much about it. > > If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon > dry up as we have seen before, and a little bit of slightly OT stuff > causes no harm, especially when you see Professor Dave joining in! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Apr 3 09:42:30 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:42:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- my 2 cents worth References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000e01c5386c$20eb4480$6401a8c0@BillyBob> as for the OT material, am i mistaken, but dont all computers have a "delete key " ??? bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Apr 3 09:57:44 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:57:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001301c5386e$43e27600$6086a5d8@mycomputer> Paul and All; I have been on list for around two years now and have seen lots of OT subjects , some had information I actually used and some I could care less about, I joined to learn about engines and repairing them and I must say most of the posts were helpfull , I like a little humor in my life and a few of you have forfilled that need (Dave) , If you want to post OT subjects fine I have no quips, just mark it Ot , and I will decide if I want to read or reply , This list MUST go on , Without it we will be just unknown engine geeks without a clue who Rob Skinner or Dave Rotigel are , So post your Ot's , vote for you politition , pray to your God and Fix your old engines , but let me know some of your old engine tricks Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment > I have hesitated to add my two cents to the O.T. subject because, as you all > know, I have been a heavy contributor to the O.T. posts. I was informed when > I joined this list that it was made up of a wealth of different people who > possessed different cultures, skills, and knowledge and knowing this I often > tap into this resource to help me out in some day to day problem I have. We > have Professors, Nuclear Engineers, Computer Specialist, Doctors, > Electricians, Plumbers, Builders, Blacksmiths, Welders, Fabricators, Civil > Servants, and many many, more. Never, and I repeat Never have I not > received a response to an O.T. problem I was having and in 99% of the time > the knowledge that exists on this list solved my problem. Far from > separating me from the List this only endeared me more to it. Knowing that > you have a cyber family of over 300 people with whom many will be there for > you through thick and thin is comforting and reassuring to me. I, like > others, feel that this List would suffer if we shut down all of the O.T. > subjects, in other words turned our backs on our neighbors who were asking > for our help. By preceding the Subject line with O.T. lets everyone know > that it is an off-engine subject so if someone is not interested just don't > open it. However, for me, and I am sure many more of you, I open and read > everyone of them thinking just maybe there may be a time I can return the > many favors of help that this list has so generously given me. Now is this > response meant to run down the few folks who have just voiced their > opposition to O.T. subjects.......NO....some of these same folks have helped > this old man have a better day through their help and I am indebted to them > and to them I now say "Thank You", you helped me when I needed it and this > means as much to me as helping me with an engine problem. > > What person on this List would not help out his neighbor if they had a need > and you had the means to help them, I don't mean letting someone use you > just because you have a certain skill or have a local shop, I mean really > helping someone who needed you. The greatest gratification I believe I have > ever gotten out of life was when I made wooden crafts for three local > Nursing Homes and donated them to the residents so that they could have > something to do because I knew these folks could not return the favor, there > is something in the human psyche that yearns to help his fellow man. > > So as Mr. Rotigel so aptly pointed out less than 1% of the folks see this as > a problem which we can then surmise that 99% like and enjoy the opportunity > to help others with their non-engine problems and I know, I just know, that > these 1% folks would be one of the first to respond to someone on the list > with an O.T. subject if they thought they could help........sure you would, > you know why I know this? because you have helped me in the past with O.T. > problems. > > So let's reunite our family and let everyone know that "Yes", this is an > engine List, but we care about you past just our interest in engines and if > we can help one another with a problem, help one another have a better day, > bring a smile when there was a smirk, reassure someone who is in doubt, help > someone enjoy life a little more because we were able to remove a worry they > had......then by golly we are going to do it. Life is not a dress rehearsal, > we get one shot at it and then we are gone, let's help one another as we > make our first and final pass through life. > > For all of you who have helped me, and whom I know will continue to help me > in the future, thank you and God Bless You, you did remove a worry I had, > you did bring a smile to my face, you did help me get through a bad time, > you did help my family by helping me solve a problem, you did reassure my > faith in the human race and for this and much, much more, I will forever be > indebted to you. > > I am done, > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > > > > On Apr 3, 2005 3:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > > >> Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine > >> related! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tom Schmutz > > > > Or even woe be it... :-)) > > > > Tom: I don't think most folks really worry that much, and even George > > has his moments when he needs the occasional bit of help (as we all > > do) so don't worry too much about it. > > > > If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon > > dry up as we have seen before, and a little bit of slightly OT stuff > > causes no harm, especially when you see Professor Dave joining in! > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 10:16:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:16:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment In-Reply-To: <001301c5386e$43e27600$6086a5d8@mycomputer> References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> <001301c5386e$43e27600$6086a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6f602516050403101622cad1c6@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 5:57 PM, Rex Hinz wrote: > Without it we will be just unknown engine > geeks without a clue who Rob Skinner or Dave Rotigel are > Rex Hinz Now THERE's an unholy alliance if ever there was one! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From maytagtwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 11:37:33 2005 From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:37:33 -0800 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <200504031716.j33HGDpg022526@photo.epson.com> Hello! Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= Here is a message describing the photos: Hi All, Here are the pictures I tried to share on my AOL account. Maybe this will work better. Ron PS: Thanks for the Epson suggestion. PPS: How many Maytags should I offer him? You can also create your own photo album to share with family and friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html AOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser. Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of Epson PhotoCenter: - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TM http://photo.epson.com/ Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 10:13:58 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:13:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi George, Each year, in the first week of November, on a Saturday, Marshall County Antique Power Ass'n holds a Show & Swap in a parking lot on 13th Street. I think it's a city park. It is well attended and mostly intended for "engine people". The public is welcome but, usually, not too many public will show up. Just stragglers. The parking lot is at the end of the street along the river and about 2 blocks from the main street (Rt.2). There is also a pavilion where they cook food for sale. I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I attend on grass. One thing for sure - You ain't setting up on a hillside. Also - be careful NOT to take something that needs staked down and I don't imagine the holes in the asphalt are welcome. Good Luck - Hope you enjoy it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 10:51:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> References: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The > son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he > called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves > before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The > exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far > enough to see if there is compression. > Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? This is a trick question, right? ALL OF 'EM!! Actually, it does depend on how much they weigh and the current price for aluminum. 8-)) Seriously, I hope that you're going to make a "friend of the family" offer rather than let the engine be thrown to the dogs of eBay! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - NICE engine!! 8-)) PPS - You do realize that AOL is the "Maytag" of ISPs doncha? From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 10:52:02 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:52:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: Hi Tom, We are all (at least I am) waiting to hear the response of your Honda Dealer when you lay out to him your request for a new oil pan at his expense. Ron From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 11:11:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:11:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2005 1:55:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maytagtwin at aol.com writes: << Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= >> Ron, Looking at the "100 years of Fairbanks Morse" book, your engine looks like the "Fairbanks Morse Vertical Engine" sold from around 1898 thru 1908, but that is only a guess. I would be of the opinion that many, many Maytags would be a great trade. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 11:18:56 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: AND as a bonus, Google reads every single one of your emails so that ALL of the adverts you see are targeted to YOUR needs and interests. And it keeps your email forever so that it can learn more about you as time passes. Isn't that special? And they assure you that humans never read your email (no matter how interesting it is) and they never sell any info about you to advertisers (no matter HOW specific the profile is that they develop from all of your email). Its just so wonderful, it makes me all warm and tingly... Well, they don't do all of those nasty privacy-invading things except under "some" circumstances. But they carefully obscure just exactly what they are. Trust them. They just want to help... 8-)) http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about_privacy.html See ya, Arnie PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Do you want to try Google Gmail?? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 3 11:19:05 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:19:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <200504031716.j33HGDpg022526@photo.epson.com> References: <200504031716.j33HGDpg022526@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <42503399.2050600@scrtc.com> Ron, Not a bad hunk of iron there. Its an early one as evidenced by the patent dates on the tag and the hot tube set up on the side of the engine. In my opinion, it would be worth a bunch of Maytags. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY maytagtwin at aol.com wrote: >Hello! > >Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= > >Here is a message describing the photos: > >Hi All, >Here are the pictures I tried to share on my AOL account. Maybe this will work better. >Ron >PS: Thanks for the Epson suggestion. >PPS: How many Maytags should I offer him? > > > >You can also create your own photo album to share with family and >friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. >http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html > >AOL Users: >Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the >links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into >your web browser. > Click here > > > >Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of >Epson PhotoCenter: > >- Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! > >- Share your photos and photo albums online with family and >friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. > >And that's just the beginning. > >Changing the picture of photography.TM >http://photo.epson.com/ > >Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 3 11:37:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:37:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > That was one of the things I was thinking about parking lot shows. > Since most of the spectators know nothing about the engines > they will be impressed with anything running. Hi George, I just finished the pictures for the club's web page. You can see them at http://wapa.us/shows/highland05 Apparently the best part of "community" engine shows has gone right over your head. You'll slap yourself for not thinking of it. And Kathy will slap you upside the head after you do think of it. First, visualize the average engine show... engines, putrid odor of stale fuel, disheveled engine guys wandering around belching.. dust, grime, filth. Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg Enjoy! Rob From k6mw at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 11:57:44 2005 From: k6mw at sbcglobal.net (k6mw) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:57:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42503CA8.9010901@sbcglobal.net> Rob- The Girl Scout uniforms are certainly different in your part of the state! It's apparent that the SFO bay area girls need some upgrading.... Mike Rob Skinner wrote: >>That was one of the things I was thinking about parking lot shows. >>Since most of the spectators know nothing about the engines >>they will be impressed with anything running. >> >> > >Hi George, >I just finished the pictures for the club's web page. You can see them at >http://wapa.us/shows/highland05 > >Apparently the best part of "community" engine shows has gone right over your >head. You'll slap yourself for not thinking of it. And Kathy will slap you >upside the head after you do think of it. > >First, visualize the average engine show... engines, putrid odor of stale fuel, >disheveled engine guys wandering around belching.. dust, grime, filth. > >Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri >wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake >sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating >cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the >experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." >http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg > >Enjoy! >Rob > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Apr 3 12:03:09 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:03:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com><6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c5387f$c8508790$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Whoa!! An engineer quoting Shakespeare on Sunday Morning. BTW is this Off Topic? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net > See ya, Arnie > > PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. > "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." > From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 12:09:04 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:09:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <6b.426af68e.2f819950@aol.com> Hi Tommy, I didn't recognize the hot tube and am still not clear about it. There is, on the off side of the engine near the head a dome with holes which I took to be the mixer and the holes are for air intake. Is the hot tube the little stub that comes out and bends down on the front of the engine at about the same height as the ignitor? Thank you. Ron In a message dated 4/3/2005 1:52:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Ron, Not a bad hunk of iron there. Its an early one as evidenced by the patent dates on the tag and the hot tube set up on the side of the engine. In my opinion, it would be worth a bunch of Maytags. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 12:13:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:13:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 7:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > AND as a bonus, Google reads every single one of your emails so that ALL > of the adverts you see are targeted to YOUR needs and interests. And > it keeps your email forever so that it can learn more about you as > time passes. Isn't that special? And they assure you that humans never > read your email (no matter how interesting it is) and they never sell any > info about you to advertisers (no matter HOW specific the profile is that > they develop from all of your email). Its just so wonderful, it makes me > all warm and tingly... Well, they don't do all of those nasty > privacy-invading things except under "some" circumstances. But they > carefully obscure just exactly what they are. Trust them. They just want > to help... 8-)) > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about_privacy.html > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. > "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." > From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) > > Arnie Fero Well, that's one way of looking at it...:-)) Yes, you can keep ALL your old emails and never throw them away, but I only keep relevant stuff that is engine-list related, and most of that which I have no need for is deleted, much to the annoyance of Gmail which chideth me greatly for not using the 1gb of free storage space that they have placed at my disposal. Yes, there are targetted TEXT ads on the right-hand side of the screen, but I have not noticed them to be honest, other than to look at them occasionally to see how accurate the adverts are compared with what the email is about. Privacy went out the window with email as far as I am concerned, so I don't use email for anything remotely sensitive, like Dave really being a Liberal Democrat after all... and it's not a big issue for me personally, it may be for others. When you consider how long other bits of info about you are sold by your bank, building society, local council and so on, it just isn't a factor any more in what I choose to use. I think there is a bit of paranoia over privacy matters, but I can live with that if you can... Tulare ????????????? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 12:20:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, THANKS for a lovely view of what life is like where it's warm and sunny. Quite a difference from the 'burgh where we've got ~4" of sneaux on the ground!! I really liked Merle's drill press setup. I think I need to copy that with one of my post drills. Were folks allowed to try out Leroy's "leopard skin massager"? It seems like the sort of thing you'd invite "balloon girl" to experience. 8->>> And with THAT pleasant thought, let me say that you've captured the spirit and pleasure of "parking lot shows" PERFECTLY!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > I just finished the pictures for the club's web page. You can see them at > http://wapa.us/shows/highland05 > > First, visualize the average engine show... engines, putrid odor of stale fuel, > disheveled engine guys wandering around belching.. dust, grime, filth. > > Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri > wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake > sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating > cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the > experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." > http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 3 12:20:41 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:20:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001c01c53882$3aed47a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Parking lot shows Snip > Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri > wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake > sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating > cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the > experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." > http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg > Enjoy! > Rob Hi Rob, Girl Guides certainly seem to look better in California than they do over here! 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Apr 3 12:21:45 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:21:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <005801c53882$603bc180$3775833e@harryp1811> We have many parking lot / shopping mall shows here. Some are great, some are not, it very much depends what kind of public comes in that area. We have 2-3 shows that we really don't want to miss, and yes we get many questions of people that have really no idea what we are showing. Of course the hit&miss engines get allot of coments, because most people don't understand why it's running like that. I hope you get allot of positive feedback from the spectators. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows > Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is > something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this > in your area. > > To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall > show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your > engines/tractors. > > I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting > spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely > don't even know about the regular shows. > > Any comments on parking lot shows? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 12:36:55 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:36:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <20050403.154406.908.2.jlb94@juno.com> Tom, Include me in on this request. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:52:02 EDT MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: > Hi Tom, > We are all (at least I am) waiting to hear the response of your > Honda Dealer > when you lay out to him your request for a new oil pan at his > expense. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 13:22:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks." 8-)) As to "deleting" your email... You must have missed this little bit from Big Brother Google... "... email may remain on our systems for some time, even after you have deleted messages from your mailbox or after the termination of your account." The info is just TOO useful to them to simply let it go off into the electronic bit bucket." Even if YOU no longer have a use for it. But I'm sure they'll treat you and your "deleted" info with all the sensitivity that you hope they will. 8-))))) See ya, Arnie PS - Dave's a liberal democrat huh? 8-)) PPS - Tulare ain't gonna be in the cards this year. 8-((( On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, that's one way of looking at it...:-)) > > Yes, you can keep ALL your old emails and never throw them away, but I > only keep relevant stuff that is engine-list related, and most of that > which I have no need for is deleted, much to the annoyance of Gmail > which chideth me greatly for not using the 1gb of free storage space > that they have placed at my disposal. > > Yes, there are targetted TEXT ads on the right-hand side of the > screen, but I have not noticed them to be honest, other than to look > at them occasionally to see how accurate the adverts are compared with > what the email is about. > > Privacy went out the window with email as far as I am concerned, so I > don't use email for anything remotely sensitive, like Dave really > being a Liberal Democrat after all... and it's not a big issue for me > personally, it may be for others. > > When you consider how long other bits of info about you are sold by > your bank, building society, local council and so on, it just isn't a > factor any more in what I choose to use. > > I think there is a bit of paranoia over privacy matters, but I can > live with that if you can... From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 14:03:57 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:03:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040314035fe2f206@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 9:22 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > "The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks." 8-)) > > As to "deleting" your email... You must have missed this little bit from > Big Brother Google... "... email may remain on our systems for some > time, even after you have deleted messages from your mailbox or after the > termination of your account." At least they declare it, which is a lot more than other email handlers like Microsoft and a couple of the big US ISP's. I'm not flying the flag for Gmail, but it works for me and I have no problems with it, yet... > The info is just TOO useful to them to simply let it go off into the > electronic bit bucket." Even if YOU no longer have a use for it. > > But I'm sure they'll treat you and your "deleted" info with all the > sensitivity that you hope they will. 8-))))) I'm sure too! :-)) > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Dave's a liberal democrat huh? 8-)) You heard it here first.... > PPS - Tulare ain't gonna be in the cards this year. 8-((( That's a shame, it's a nice show and well worth the travel to see it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 14:33:07 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:33:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my > experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many > years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and > one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. > It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at > 5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great > time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the > $10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, > meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess > who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? > > Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. > > Tom Schmutz Tom, Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? George From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 3 14:47:35 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:47:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <26fbf2618aef34eef5a855457dc16ee6@chartertn.net> Didn't know you were into that, Joe. Lots of folks at engine shows settle for a Coke or perhaps a beer now and then. On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I attend on > grass. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 3 14:54:09 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:54:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: "Balloon Girl" would likely like to try her foot at starting a colorfully painted Maytag, (other than the cute paint job) like the one her great-grandma washed clothes with. That's been a draw for the young ladies in the past at the Asheville show. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 3 14:58:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:58:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Hi George, > > Each year, in the first week of November, on a Saturday, Marshall > County > Antique Power Ass'n holds a > Show & Swap in a parking lot on 13th Street. I think it's a city park. > It is well attended and mostly intended for "engine people". > The public is welcome but, usually, not too many public will show up. > Just stragglers. > The parking lot is at the end of the street along the river and about 2 > blocks from the main street (Rt.2). > > There is also a pavilion where they cook food for sale. > > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I attend on > grass. > One thing for sure - You ain't setting up on a hillside. > > Also - be careful NOT to take something that needs staked down and I > don't imagine the holes in the asphalt are welcome. > > Good Luck - Hope you enjoy it. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 14:58:35 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:58:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: Ron, Thanks for loading the pictures on Epson! Makes it a lot easier for people to view them. Looks like a nice find. A 1-1/2hp Jack of All Trades from the looks of it. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > maytagtwin at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:38 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks > > Hello! > > Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= > > Here is a message describing the photos: From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Apr 3 15:02:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:02:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <425067F6.30000@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, It's really those inane comments that were being objected to, not your original post. You are 100% correct. I have no objection to OT questions. If I can help I usually do it off list. Now and then I do it on list if I think it may be of interest to others. Jeff Allen PS, My buddy who is also a professional mechanic like me and has actually worked on Honda's, says it is common for aluminum Honda pans to strip out. PPS, Dave's gonna rip me a new one for the above sentence. :-) Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> engines. >> >> Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine >> related! >> Thanks, >> Tom Schmutz > > > Hi Tom, > If my count is accurate there are about 300 people on our > List. Three of those people objected to the great amount of OT posts > of late. That's 1%! (If I were a democrat pollster I would claim that > therefore 99% support you.) Additionally, the objection(s) was (were) > not about your original OT post, but rather the MANY replies that were > nothing more than a very few people telling the world (over and over > again) that ONLY they knew enough to properly change the oil in their > car/truck. > It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the answer is > given that some others need always to chime in giving no additional > information and adding nothing to the thread except their feeble > attempt to show everyone how much they KNOW (or think they know) about > the topic. It's really those inane comments that were being objected > to, not your original post. > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 15:29:44 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:29:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: Thanks Dave. You're right that I wasn't objecting to any particular person or posting. I just listed some of the recent off topic discussions as an example of what SEL has become. Dolly is the "flame mistress" and in the past has had to step in to cool things down when some discussions got a bit heated. Although I don't like doing it, I take on the role of "grumpy George" when the off topic discussions reach a point where off topic is the norm and engine related postings are few and far between. Over the years I've posted off topic messages, I even read most off topic messages until they deteriorate into mindless me-too postings. I don't want 100% engine talk 100% of time. I'd just like it kept to some level where the serious engine guys stick around and don't keep dropping out when they tire of the off topic noise level. George Ps. Dave your figures aren't really correct. I got more than 3 off line messages in support ;-) A case could also be made that all the people that have simply dropped off the list should be counted as votes for less off topic messages. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > > > >engines. > > > >Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other > than engine > >related! > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz > > Hi Tom, > If my count is accurate there are about 300 people > on our List. > Three of those people objected to the great amount of OT > posts of late. > That's 1%! (If I were a democrat pollster I would claim that > therefore 99% support you.) Additionally, the objection(s) > was (were) not about your original OT post, but rather the > MANY replies that were nothing more than a very few people > telling the world (over and over again) that ONLY they knew > enough to properly change the oil in their car/truck. > It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the > answer is given that some others need always to chime in > giving no additional information and adding nothing to the > thread except their feeble attempt to show everyone how much > they KNOW (or think they know) about the topic. It's really > those inane comments that were being objected to, not your > original post. > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at udata.com Sun Apr 3 15:58:57 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:58:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42507531.40400@udata.com> Best, George wrote: > > > >>Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my >>experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many >>years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and >>one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. >>It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at >>5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great >>time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the >>$10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, >>meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess >>who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? >> >>Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. >> >>Tom Schmutz >> >> > >Tom, > >Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? > >George > > > > George, YES I HAVE! nothing real odd, like a Otto. But the ones that we have gotten and did not want went off to someone who did want them and I feel I saved them from the junk of someday. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jimjirik at earthlink.net Sun Apr 3 16:02:27 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:02:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <18196068.1112569347287.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Tommy, My mistake, yes I did mean the 1-3/4 HP Stickney. Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS -----Original Message----- From: Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Apr 2, 2005 11:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Jim, Thanks for the info. You mention Stickney Jr. Do you mean the 1 3/4 HP Stickney? That was the only Stickney engine advertised. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim Jirik wrote: >My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. > >Jim Jirik >Bonner Springs, KS > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tommy Turner >Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > >Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of >days? Just curious how things sold. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 3 16:25:56 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:25:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] McDonald engines References: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> 197362319 Message-ID: <008b01c538a4$7c6716d0$0201010a@Portable> I picked up two dismantled McDonald diesels on Saturday.Both are SPI's and hopefully all the bits are there. Does anyone have info on these? The serial number of one is 2087. I will need a book and any other relevant info available Ray Freeman _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Apr 3 17:28:38 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:28:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <196.3c334805.2f81e436@aol.com> In a message dated 04/03/2005 3:30:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: My buddy who is also a professional mechanic like me and has actually worked on Honda's, says it is common for aluminum Honda pans to strip out. My Northstar engine has a cast aluminum pan. However, the boys at GM used a helicoil in oil drain. I usually hand install and tighten the drain plug before putting a wrench on it. A friend (with a leaking drain plug) didn't realize that his GM car (with aluminum pan) had a helicoil and he tried to use an oversize self tapping drain plug. Needless to say, it didn't work as he broke off a piece of aluminum at the drain hole. We fixed the problem by installing a brass fitting (with a pipe plug) being held in place with JB Weld. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 18:01:01 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:01:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2005 5:54:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? >> George, I have been a fortunate person over the years getting many leads, some leading to original off the farm engines. And yes, I have gotten leads at the car cruise-ins. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 18:51:28 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:51:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050403.215319.804.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi John, Ha Ha - Sometimes - The least suspected ~~~~ Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:47:35 -0400 John Culp writes: > Didn't know you were into that, Joe. Lots of folks at engine shows > settle for a Coke or perhaps a beer now and then. > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I > attend on > > grass. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 18:51:28 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:51:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050403.220635.1292.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi John, Ha Ha - Sometimes - The least suspected ~~~~ Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:47:35 -0400 John Culp writes: > Didn't know you were into that, Joe. Lots of folks at engine shows > settle for a Coke or perhaps a beer now and then. > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I > attend on > > grass. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Apr 3 19:52:59 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:52:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504040252.j342qxRI086394@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> At the risk of causing more ruckus over OT posts - here's what we found about some of Google's helpful software, thus leading us to never trust anything from Google that installs locally: Google desktop search - it's all the rage. Gets rave reviews in the computer rags (anything Google does gets rave reviews, however, like Microsoft stuff gets rave reviews in most computer rags) Someone in our bureau installed Google desktop search on their computer because it was FREE (how they got admin rights to their computer was discusses and dealt with) How we found out was interesting - the big boys from ITE (the main state computer spooks) contacted us and said a computer in our area was hitting the domain controllers and causing a surge in certain types of network traffic - whatever it was was attempting to gain access to the DC's. ( They guard domain controllers with their life.) We traced it to a computer in our area, did some sniffing on the net and discovered the traffic and hits on the servers was non other than the FREE Google Desk Search thingy. We killed it and relaxed a LOT of network traffic and made the state spooks happy because it also removed the hits on their domain controllers. Hmmm, what was Google desktop search doing attemping access to domain controllers? Why all the network traffic? Seems it does MORE than just index what is on YOUR computer for YOU to search....... None of this was exposed in the computer magazines, however. Sorry, I don't trust Google or any "free search" software, more often than not, it does more than what it says it will do. All of this is one reason a friend of mine became his own "ISP" and email supplier - setting up his own email server and domain and web servers. Less chance of someone getting to his email............ Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:19 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... AND as a bonus, Google reads every single one of your emails so that ALL of the adverts you see are targeted to YOUR needs and interests. And it keeps your email forever so that it can learn more about you as time passes. Isn't that special? And they assure you that humans never read your email (no matter how interesting it is) and they never sell any info about you to advertisers (no matter HOW specific the profile is that they develop from all of your email). Its just so wonderful, it makes me all warm and tingly... Well, they don't do all of those nasty privacy-invading things except under "some" circumstances. But they carefully obscure just exactly what they are. Trust them. They just want to help... 8-)) http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about_privacy.html See ya, Arnie PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Do you want to try Google Gmail?? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 3 20:25:07 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:25:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <6b.426af68e.2f819950@aol.com> References: <6b.426af68e.2f819950@aol.com> Message-ID: <4250B393.4040500@scrtc.com> Ron, If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models don't have it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Tommy, >I didn't recognize the hot tube and am still not clear about it. There is, >on the off side of the engine near the head a dome with holes which I took to >be the mixer and the holes are for air intake. Is the hot tube the little >stub that comes out and bends down on the front of the engine at about the >same height as the ignitor? > >Thank you. >Ron > >In a message dated 4/3/2005 1:52:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > >Ron, > >Not a bad hunk of iron there. Its an early one as evidenced by the >patent dates on the tag and the hot tube set up on the side of the >engine. In my opinion, it would be worth a bunch of Maytags. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 21:04:18 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:04:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> Hi Tommy, I see it, and understand how the hot tube works, but only from reading about them. Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced by the low tension ignitor? Thanks. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/3/2005 10:39:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Ron, If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models don't have it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From segray at mlode.com Sun Apr 3 23:26:00 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:26:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tulare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4250DDF8.7050702@mlode.com> Sounds like a neighbor of mine, George. His first name Chris? - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Best, George wrote: >Yes!!! Looking forward to it, but then I'm also in some ways looking >more forward to the trip down. As usual I've got plans to visit several >collectors on the way down. > >A new one this trip has over 200 engines and lives up in the gold >country. > >See you at Tulare. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:46 PM >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: Tulare >> >>Cheer up George. >>Tulare is just 14 days away. >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside, California >>USA >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Apr 3 23:27:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:27:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c538df$6fcd86d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hello Ron, Have here a picture of a friends engine and it has both a hot tube and an ignitor. It's a 2hp made in 1902 he told me. Can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/2hpFB.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean > it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced > by the low tension ignitor? > > Thanks. > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Apr 3 23:49:07 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:49:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally References: <53.24cc0b9e.2f814878@aol.com> Message-ID: <00f301c538e2$6679f480$e93354d2@Cam> Peter couldn't you see it was outside the fence. Camshaft ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally > In a message dated 3/04/2005 10:21:30 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > >> Hey Patrick where is his club badge and insurance card >> > > > Woody > > Peter Woodmore > 27 Craig Ave > Moorebank > 2170 > NSW > Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 02:27:47 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:27:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001c01c53882$3aed47a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <00fa01c538f8$90ae3cf0$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day George There may be a parking lot show somewhere in Oz but I have never been or heard of one. May be they don't like the steel fence posts being driven into the hard top 8-)) All the best Kerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 1/04/2005 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 4 02:40:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:40:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <002001c538fa$4c06f130$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Parking lot shows > > Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my > > experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many > > years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and > > one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. > > It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at > > 5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great > > time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the > > $10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, > > meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess > > who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? > > Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. > > Tom Schmutz > Tom, > Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? > George Hi George, My home commitments nowadays keep me from being as active as I was but about 15 years ago I made a point of always showing at a particular event held in a large public park in a town with no local vintage shows. This show was held by all the local charity organisations as a fund raising event with no entry charges to the public. We were allowed to show to attract a few more public. Every single year I showed there I obtained goodies from people who had never been before to an engine show. I was given 2 chaff cutters & a consolidated cake breaker Like http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm I bought from a farmer an International 3HP O/C. >From a model Engineer I bought a Royce 1890 Dynamo with marked ammeter (Before he joined Rolls). I also bought all 4 of Wendel's Agricultural books at very low prices. >From this you will see why I highly recommend parking lot shows etc. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 02:59:11 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:59:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally References: <53.24cc0b9e.2f814878@aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c538fc$f4acda50$0301a8c0@Young1203> doesnt need one, he's outside the fence! Michael Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally > In a message dated 3/04/2005 10:21:30 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > > > Hey Patrick where is his club badge and insurance card > > > > > Woody > > Peter Woodmore > 27 Craig Ave > Moorebank > 2170 > NSW > Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 04:46:16 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:46:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 Message-ID: <01c201c5390b$e99a6380$e93354d2@Cam> I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look at. Cam PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 04:49:12 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:49:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics Message-ID: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pics from the rally on the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 4 05:08:03 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:08:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> Duncan, Dunno if you happened to look over the Oz pictures I posted, but there is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20294.jpg Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? This was the first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Duncan Denman wrote: > Hey Jeff, > > I have been on this list for a few years now. This happens about > several times a year and people threaten to leave and sometimes do. As > you noticed, they are still here. I even got a off list reprimand from > one of the members years ago when he thought I should hold back if I > wasn't absolutely sure about what I was saying. He is still here and > so am I. > On a different note, I hauled out my Massey Harris yesterday and after > a couple of cranks, if fired up and ran for a while before I had to > get on with home stuff. Spring is almost here. > > Duncan From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 05:14:56 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:14:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 In-Reply-To: <01c201c5390b$e99a6380$e93354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <200504041214.j34CErO3037555@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Nice pics Cam. It looks like there were some nice engines there. Edd needs a second shelter to get his engine out of the sun ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look at. Cam PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 05:19:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:19:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics References: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <01fd01c53910$9bae0460$e93354d2@Cam> Beautifully done Patrick, it was a good Rally. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics > Here are some pics from the rally on the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Mon Apr 4 05:28:01 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:28:01 +1000 Subject: [S] RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 References: <200504041214.j34CErO3037555@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000f01c53911$bf6a9e30$29ad57ca@n> G'day Patrick Edd dosent need another shade tent over his engine, theres no more paint left on it to burn off anyway!! Also well done with the rally pics Cam and Patrick. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [S] RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 > Nice pics Cam. It looks like there were some nice engines there. Edd needs > a > second shelter to get his engine out of the sun ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look > at. > Cam > PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 05:36:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:36:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 References: <200504041214.j34CErO3037555@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <020401c53912$e0a5e450$e93354d2@Cam> Gee don't say he's pretty proud of it (a prezzy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 > Nice pics Cam. It looks like there were some nice engines there. Edd needs > a > second shelter to get his engine out of the sun ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look > at. > Cam > PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 06:19:47 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:19:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404091802.021fe450@mail.alltel.net> At 07:49 AM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >Here are some pics from the rally on the weekend: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag051.html >Patrick M Livingstone GREAT set of pictures Patrick! Did Shannon not have an insurance card and therefore not allowed inside the fence? Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 06:24:59 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:24:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the early engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the primary ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition came into play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube eased fears of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a window of 8 to 10 years involved in this transition period. I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and then they were ignitor only as they removed the hot tube casting area on the top of the cylinder. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >Hi Tommy, >I see it, and understand how the hot tube works, but only from reading about >them. > >Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean >it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced >by the low tension ignitor? > > >Thanks. >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > > >In a message dated 4/3/2005 10:39:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > >Ron, > >If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the >top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking >out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney >attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know >when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models >don't have it. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 06:29:29 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:29:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> G'day folks, Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to find these tools ? Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take off the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! Thanks for any help you can provide !! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 4 07:28:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:28:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> Tommy, When you say " I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years", are you saying IHC offered either option for a 4 year period, or that they were manufactured with both ignition systems fitted? In the earliest years when they were hot tube ignition only, was there a boss on the side of the cylinder for future electric ignition? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I > think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the > early engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the > primary ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition > came into play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube > eased fears of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a > window of 8 to 10 years involved in this transition period. I know > the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and > then they were ignitor only as they removed the hot tube casting area > on the top of the cylinder. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 07:38:01 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:38:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <19b.311cfaf6.2f82ab49@aol.com> Hi Ron, FM could supply the type T, or Jack of All Trades engines with both hot tube & electric ignition from about 1898 until 1906. According to Wendel's - History of FM & Co.- hot tube ignition was discontinued in 1906. Hope you can make a deal on the FM, I might even trade 3 Maytags, but only if they didn't run ;o) Take care, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 4 07:49:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: Dwight, With that nice layer of dry Aussie dirt I think you want to use a funnel web spider rather than the red back. Equally venomous, but it would be happier in the dirt. http://www.amonline.net.au/spiders/dangerous/funnelweb/ http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/Fws.htm See ya, Arnie On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of > good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get > Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take off > the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 07:59:32 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:59:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 Message-ID: <20050404.075932.1116.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks for the pictures Cam. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:46:16 +1000 "cam grundy" writes: > I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to > look at. > Cam > PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 08:00:42 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:00:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tulare Message-ID: > Sounds like a neighbor of mine, George. His first name Chris? > Steve Gray You've got it! I've never been to Chris's place but have talked to him several times and he has shown me some of his photo albums. He's always been a nice guy to talk to so I'm really looking forward to seeing his place. I've heard from another friend that a lot of Chris's stuff is outside with tarps over them, but as long as we get to peek under the tarps I'll be happy. Steve.... We'll be spending Thursday night most likely at Galt and then heading to Chris's place Friday morning on our way to Tulare. How far are you from Chris's place and when are you headed to Tulare. Was just wondering if it was feasible at all to also stop by your place. George From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 4 08:07:59 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:07:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000b01c53928$1a816590$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, I have never seen one, but in a MH catalog I have they say "Closed Cooling Jacket can be furnished if wanted". Image of water jacket at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/MHwaterjacket.jpg John H. > Curt Holland wrote: > > > Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? This was the > first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20294.jpg > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 08:09:21 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:09:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: Kerry, Putting up fences or posts and ropes can be a problem when dealing with paved parking lots. I've always used posts driven into the ground and ropes. So I'll have to come up with some way of supporting the posts without driving them into the ground. One thing I've seen some people do is to take apart a old tractor disk and use the separated disks as a bases for the posts. Put the concave side of the disk down and fix a mounting hole in the center for the post. I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree stands to support the posts. Another option is to just leave your engines on the trailer as in some cases you don't need ropes if the trailer itself keeps people at a safe distance. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:28 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Parking lot shows > > G'Day George > > There may be a parking lot show somewhere in Oz but I have > never been or heard of one. > May be they don't like the steel fence posts being driven > into the hard top > 8-)) > > All the best > Kerry > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 1/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 08:10:28 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:10:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <20050404.081028.1116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy. My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled for the eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was hot tube only. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:24:59 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I > think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the > early > engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the primary > > ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition came > into > play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube eased > fears > of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a window of 8 to > 10 > years involved in this transition period. I know the IHC engines > had > both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and then they were > ignitor > only as they removed the hot tube casting area on the top of the > cylinder. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From asouth at strato.net Mon Apr 4 08:26:57 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:26:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George Message-ID: <052d01c5392a$be276670$9800a8c0@Arthur> Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I send you bounces. Please contact me of list. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 08:38:24 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:38:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <9d.5cf72d3e.2f82b970@aol.com> Hi Arnie, Boy, that's a pretty rascal !! Sure hope I don't run into one of those spiders, or his relatives. I guess I'll just be happy with our black widow spiders, down here in VA. We do have a good crop of those in the late spring & summer. I'm gonna be careful when I pull the water tank off of the Austral, I doubt if there is much Aussie spider anti-venom in the US. Thanks, Dwight From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 08:40:25 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:40:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled Message-ID: I wouldn't call that a tank cooled engine ;-) It's a hopper cooled engine with the hopper removed and a plate used to seal off the cylinder so an external source of water could be used for cooling. If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) I admit the MH you photographed was interesting but won't go so far as to call it tank cooled. In the past I have seen a few hopper cooled engine which were converted to look like a tank cooled version. Some of these conversions looked almost factory like. I don't know if I have any pictures to share, but maybe some of you have seen some of these conversions and have pictures to share. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:08 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled > > Duncan, > Dunno if you happened to look over the Oz pictures I posted, > but there is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/ > Australia2005%20294.jpg > > Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? > This was the first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 08:53:19 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:53:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine Message-ID: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts small farm, just passed away about a year ago. The land is already up for sale, and developers want to put up quite a few houses. I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it away. I doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built between 1947 & 1955. There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on page 246 - right hand side. PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the old tools, nuts & bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. The tractor will be great for moving those portable engines :-) Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 09:08:10 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:08:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 & Wagga Rally Message-ID: <1b9.10bb8793.2f82c06a@aol.com> Cam & Patrick, Thanks for the pictures ! A very nice collection of engines ! Our show season will be starting before long, & I'm about ready, it's been a wet, cold winter. Take care, Dwight From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 09:18:28 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts Message-ID: Cam, First of all, thanks for posting the Cranky Handle 2005 pictures. While looking at your pictures this one kind of caught my attention: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=7143298 1 The thing that caught my eye was all the engines in these picture are on some form of cart with small wheels. Factory made carts or engine trucks normally have much larger wheels. So why is it that so many people make these small wheeled carts? I would think the small wheels would make the engines harder to move in uneven ground or grass conditions. On the other hand, they have a much lower center of gravity and are probably more stable than the factory carts. Plus they take up less space and would be cheaper to make as well. George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 09:23:27 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:23:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: > Hi Tommy. > My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled > for the eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was > hot tube only. > > Ron Haskell Ron, What year is your engine? George From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 4 09:42:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Of course its a tank-cooled engine. And I'd call this a rad-cooled Lister. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/lister.htm Although, you'd probably call it a "tank cooled engine with the tank removed and a radiator fitted so that a fan could be used for cooling the water." 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Curt? I also agree that it's a pretty interesting MH. 8-)) PPS - George? On your Galloway, it would be tank cooled only if you hook up a cooling tank. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > I wouldn't call that a tank cooled engine ;-) > > It's a hopper cooled engine with the hopper removed and a plate used to > seal off the cylinder so an external source of water could be used for > cooling. > > If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does > that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) > > > but there is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/ > > Australia2005%20294.jpg From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 4 09:31:20 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:31:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <006501c53933$bd2103e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree > stands to support the posts. > > Another option is to just leave your engines on the trailer as in some > cases you don't need ropes if the trailer itself keeps people at a safe > distance. > Dad put 3/8 rod into coffee cans of cement , fender washers welded at either end , top for a rope , bottom to anchor and then I had to go and weld a bracket with two studs pointing upwards that holds a plexiglass 8x11 retail handout dispenser into which the computer printed and laminated motor-info goes into . We have the same thing with -much- bigger cement weights to set up the 10 x20 canopies on asphault . the tubing is sawed off about a foot out of the cement and the canopy legs fit in halfwaay tight . hasnt become airborn yet . we'll see ah ? From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 4 09:42:20 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:42:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine References: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c53935$48ca13e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I have heard and read they are collectors items. John H. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle > with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty good > shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it away. I > doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built > between 1947 & 1955. > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 09:45:43 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:45:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine Message-ID: Dwight, Relax..... Don't think if the posting isn't directly about an engine that it is off topic. Your posting has all sorts of links to old engines and our hobby in general. Grumpy George left the building and hopefully won't be back for a long time ;-) I'm sure it takes a fairly significant amount of off topic postings to even get his attention. WAIT George Ps.. Kind of makes me feel like Jekyll & Hyde. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Vivas1993 at aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:53 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine > > > A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts > small farm, just passed away about a year ago. The land is > already up for sale, and developers want to put up quite a few houses. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome > plated handle with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it > doesn't work, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man > haul it away. I doubt that there are very many still around, > this one was probably built between 1947 & 1955. > There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on > page 246 - right hand side. > PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the > old tools, nuts & bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. > The tractor will be great for moving those portable engines > :-) Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 4 09:58:57 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:58:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts References: Message-ID: <000401c53937$98a853c0$fa4c1152@no1> If you have trouble getting this try http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=71432981 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts > Cam, > > First of all, thanks for posting the Cranky Handle 2005 pictures. > > While looking at your pictures this one kind of caught my attention: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=7143298 > 1 > > > The thing that caught my eye was all the engines in these picture are on > some form of cart with small wheels. > > Factory made carts or engine trucks normally have much larger wheels. > So why is it that so many people make these small wheeled carts? > > I would think the small wheels would make the engines harder to move in > uneven ground or grass conditions. > > On the other hand, they have a much lower center of gravity and are > probably more stable than the factory carts. Plus they take up less > space and would be cheaper to make as well. > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 09:59:52 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:59:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <20050404.095953.1116.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi George. 1901. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:23:27 -0500 "Best, George" writes: > > Hi Tommy. > > My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled > > for the eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was > > hot tube only. > > > > Ron Haskell > > Ron, > > What year is your engine? > > George From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 4 10:08:34 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:08:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42517492.40200@imc-group.com> George, I knew I should have taken a close up of the casting that made this MH a tank cooled engine! Missy questioned its' authenticity because the cast top didn't perfectly follow the upper contour of the waterjacket. But the top of the plate had some pretty fancy ribbing and lands where the bolts attached it to the cylinder below. I was inclined to believe it was authentic. John Hammink's post confirms the factory option. Ya know Hercules made such a cast iron cap and sold a screen cooled engine fitted with a water pump. Would you call that a screen cooled engine? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: >If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does >that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) > > Yes! > > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Apr 4 10:33:50 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:33:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine References: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c5393c$774d68f0$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> See eBay item 7144771358; a little newer than what you are reporting but perhaps representative of value. I recall helping move a couple of these for neighbors back when they were in use. Real beasts to move!!! They were pretty common in my part of the country. I'm skeptical of this having much value. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine > > A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts small farm, just > passed away about a year ago. The land is already up for sale, and > developers > want to put up quite a few houses. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle > with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty > good > shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it away. > I > doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built > between 1947 & 1955. > There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on page 246 - right > hand side. > PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the old tools, nuts > & > bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. The tractor will be great for > moving those portable engines :-) > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 10:51:44 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:51:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <20050404.081028.1116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050404.081028.1116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <42517EB0.4020608@scrtc.com> Ron, I've never seen one that was hot tube only (but there's a lot of things in this world I haven't seen!). Does yours have a place for the ignitor or is there no place cast on it for an ignitor? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy. >My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled for the >eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was hot tube only. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 10:58:20 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:58:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot tubes in the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube only. I know my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about '08 on don't have the hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines built after about '12 no longer have the casting boss on the cylinder. Perhaps some of our SEL IHC Collectors can chime in on this as I'm speaking from my own personal obsevations and not documentation. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > When you say " I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors > for about 4 years", are you saying IHC offered either option for a 4 > year period, or that they were manufactured with both ignition systems > fitted? > > In the earliest years when they were hot tube ignition only, was there > a boss on the side of the cylinder for future electric ignition? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 4 10:59:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4742.165.206.180.102.1112637577.squirrel@antique-engines.com> It might be sort of fun to get it and see if it could be restored! IH, like so many other companies, did a lot more than tractors and engines. Geesh, Fred M even made cheese! I bet he even made stuff to cut the cheese. Anyway, it would be a great place to keep the ice for your drinks while you work on getting an IH to run. There are a few old refrigeration guys who will still work on those relics. Bill > Dwight, > > Relax..... Don't think if the posting isn't directly about an engine > that it is off topic. Your posting has all sorts of links to old > engines and our hobby in general. Grumpy George left the building and > hopefully won't be back for a long time ;-) I'm sure it takes a fairly > significant amount of off topic postings to even get his attention. > > WAIT George > > Ps.. Kind of makes me feel like Jekyll & Hyde. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Vivas1993 at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:53 AM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine >> >> >> A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts >> small farm, just passed away about a year ago. The land is >> already up for sale, and developers want to put up quite a few houses. >> I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome >> plated handle with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it >> doesn't work, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. >> Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man >> haul it away. I doubt that there are very many still around, >> this one was probably built between 1947 & 1955. >> There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on >> page 246 - right hand side. >> PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the >> old tools, nuts & bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. >> The tractor will be great for moving those portable engines >> :-) Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 4 11:26:06 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:26:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine Message-ID: Hi Dwight, On two occasions I have made use of such a device for other than its intended purpose. The first was to raise tropical fish. The freezer sat in a basement with water, fish and aquarium heaters installed. A small pump lifted water to a bucked hanging over the freezer that had fine gravel and charcoal and, small holes punched in the bottom. That kept the water in good shape. The fish thrived and multiplied. The next time I had use for such a device was during my home brewing years. At that time I was living in the Sand Hills of North Carolina. I buried a freezer in the sand to the point the door was at ground level. Then, I took a pointed rod and punched some holes in the bottom of the freezer. These holes were to allow any exploded bottles to drain out of the freezer. This setup worked nicely, allowing the beer to age slowly and containing any miscalculations when an occasional bottle exploded. The temperature in the container stayed at about 60-65?F which was not bad for sipping on a hot evening although usually I would bring the bottles into the house, chill and decant into a pitcher. It will be work to bring that chest freezer home, but, if you do, I'll bet you find a use for it. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 11:43:57 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:43:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> At 01:58 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" >situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot tubes in >the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube only. I know >my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about '08 on don't have the >hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines built after about '12 no >longer have the casting boss on the cylinder. Perhaps some of our SEL IHC >Collectors can chime in on this as I'm speaking from my own personal >obsevations and not documentation. > >Tommy Turner Hi Tommy, My 15 HP IHC (which I had at Baraboo and Portland last year) has the boss cast on the cylinder. It's S/N DA 359, and if you believe the literature it was built in 1914. Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 4 12:08:53 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106.165.206.180.102.1112641733.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I bet Ron stores maytags in his............ Dave would never think of looking in the freezer. > Hi Dwight, > > On two occasions I have made use of such a device for other than its > intended purpose. The first was to raise tropical fish. The freezer sat > in a > basement with water, fish and aquarium heaters installed. A small pump > lifted > water to a bucked hanging over the freezer that had fine gravel and > charcoal > and, small holes punched in the bottom. That kept the water in good > shape. The > fish thrived and multiplied. > > The next time I had use for such a device was during my home brewing > years. > At that time I was living in the Sand Hills of North Carolina. I buried > a > freezer in the sand to the point the door was at ground level. Then, I > took a > pointed rod and punched some holes in the bottom of the freezer. These > holes were to allow any exploded bottles to drain out of the freezer. > This setup > worked nicely, allowing the beer to age slowly and containing any > miscalculations when an occasional bottle exploded. The temperature in > the container > stayed at about 60-65?F which was not bad for sipping on a hot evening > although usually I would bring the bottles into the house, chill and > decant into a > pitcher. > > It will be work to bring that chest freezer home, but, if you do, I'll bet > you find a use for it. > > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 12:16:05 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:16:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <20050404.121605.1116.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> My engine was in pieces when I got it. It did not come with an ignitor or fuel pump, and the end of the cam hadn't been drilled for the pin to drive them. It has the normal place for the ignitor. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:51:44 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Ron, > > I've never seen one that was hot tube only (but there's a lot of > > things in this world I haven't seen!). Does yours have a place for > the > ignitor or is there no place cast on it for an ignitor? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 12:22:57 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 15:22:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: Hi Tommy, My 8hp IHC portable # B2301E, has the boss on top of the cylinder, book says year is 1911. The boss has never been machined. Dwight From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 12:57:28 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:57:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42519C28.7030702@scrtc.com> Dave, I wasn't sure of the date ('12, '14, etc) but knew at some point, the hot tube boss no longer appeared on some engines (I've got a 6 HP with it and one without it). I'm not sure if it was universal however. I know that it "disappeared" on the 4 and 6 HP's. I'm not sure if it did on the larger sizes like your 15 though. It may have been a matter of production. Since many more 4, 6, and 8 HP's were made, possibly the new patterns needed as the old ones wore out resulted in the omission of the boss. The 15 may have used the same pattern from beginning to end due to the fewer number of them that was made. Again, we need some of our IHC folks to weigh in on this one. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > At 01:58 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >> To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" >> situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot >> tubes in the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube >> only. I know my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about >> '08 on don't have the hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines >> built after about '12 no longer have the casting boss on the >> cylinder. Perhaps some of our SEL IHC Collectors can chime in on >> this as I'm speaking from my own personal obsevations and not >> documentation. >> >> Tommy Turner > > > Hi Tommy, > My 15 HP IHC (which I had at Baraboo and Portland last year) > has the boss cast on the cylinder. It's S/N DA 359, and if you believe > the literature it was built in 1914. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 4 13:20:56 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:20:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <009101c53953$cfa6a180$8fb3f504@x8h7l9> Could it be that the Hot Tube was easy on the battery drain while the igniter was easier to start. If batteries were not easy to come by at that time, they saved them as much as possible. Just speculation. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks > As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I > think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the early > engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the primary > ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition came into > play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube eased fears > of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a window of 8 to 10 > years involved in this transition period. I know the IHC engines had > both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and then they were ignitor > only as they removed the hot tube casting area on the top of the cylinder. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >Hi Tommy, > >I see it, and understand how the hot tube works, but only from reading about > >them. > > > >Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean > >it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced > >by the low tension ignitor? > > > > > >Thanks. > >Ron Carroll > >Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2005 10:39:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > > > >Ron, > > > >If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the > >top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking > >out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney > >attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know > >when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models > >don't have it. > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, Ky From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 14:16:57 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:16:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box. OT References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c5395b$a3286d70$6a3354d2@Cam> Arnie if I had to make a choice, I think I would rather be bitten by the Red Back. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral tool box > Dwight, > > With that nice layer of dry Aussie dirt I think you want to use a funnel > web spider rather than the red back. Equally venomous, but it would be > happier in the dirt. > > http://www.amonline.net.au/spiders/dangerous/funnelweb/ > http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm > http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/Fws.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > >> Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch >> of >> good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to >> get >> Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I >> take off >> the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 4 14:45:29 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:45:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com><42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001701c5395f$a25f2d30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Wendel says that it's unlikely that hot tube ignition was used after 1905, since the well know valve gear was patented that year. This system included a low tension make-and-break ignitor. The parts book mention the ignitors for the 8-10-12 and 15 hp engines from 1904 and for the 20 hp from 1906, through 1908 then they changed them for another part number by 1909. Funny thing is in all the 310 pages of the parts book, they didn't speak about any hot tube. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" > situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot tubes > in the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube only. I > know my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about '08 on don't > have the hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines built after > about '12 no longer have the casting boss on the cylinder. Perhaps > some of our SEL IHC Collectors can chime in on this as I'm speaking from > my own personal obsevations and not documentation. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Tommy, > > When you say " I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors > > for about 4 years", are you saying IHC offered either option for a 4 > > year period, or that they were manufactured with both ignition systems > > fitted? > > > > In the earliest years when they were hot tube ignition only, was there > > a boss on the side of the cylinder for future electric ignition? > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 14:46:10 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:46:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <42519C28.7030702@scrtc.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> <42519C28.7030702@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404174434.026dc680@mail.alltel.net> >I know that it "disappeared" on the 4 and 6 HP's. I'm not sure if it did >on the larger sizes like your 15 though. It may have been a matter of >production. Since many more 4, 6, and 8 HP's were made, possibly the new >patterns needed as the old ones wore out resulted in the omission of the >boss. The 15 may have used the same pattern from beginning to end due to >the fewer number of them that was made. >Tommy Turner Good point--and well taken! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 14:50:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:50:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <009101c53953$cfa6a180$8fb3f504@x8h7l9> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <009101c53953$cfa6a180$8fb3f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404174803.02647e50@mail.alltel.net> At 04:20 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >Could it be that the Hot Tube was easy on the battery drain while the >igniter was easier to start. If batteries were not easy to come by at that >time, they saved them as much as possible. Just speculation. >Ed Stoller With all due respect Ed, I think that your speculation is wrong! Dave PS, Think MAGNETO! From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 15:06:35 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:06:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts References: Message-ID: <005e01c53962$91846b80$6a3354d2@Cam> Hi George Firstly thanks for the compliments. I will do a better job next time as that was just a trial run. I think small wheels are probably so common here because most people make there own, it is hard to find a steel outlet that will cut over 8in, some can do 10in but not many. Factory carts in Aus are fairly rare in the small stuff, I think we tend to put the work into the engines and put them on our own designed carts compact enough to fit 2 across your trailer, 6x4 or 7x5 most common. You are right George they are certainly harder to pull around on the smaller wheels but there is always someone to lend a hand if needed. Hope this helps. Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts > Cam, > > First of all, thanks for posting the Cranky Handle 2005 pictures. > > While looking at your pictures this one kind of caught my attention: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=7143298 > 1 > > > The thing that caught my eye was all the engines in these picture are on > some form of cart with small wheels. > > Factory made carts or engine trucks normally have much larger wheels. > So why is it that so many people make these small wheeled carts? > > I would think the small wheels would make the engines harder to move in > uneven ground or grass conditions. > > On the other hand, they have a much lower center of gravity and are > probably more stable than the factory carts. Plus they take up less > space and would be cheaper to make as well. > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 3 07:18:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 08:18:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures References: <20050402.214219.1020.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Nice!! Had fun viewing the pix's over morning coffee. Thanks Ron RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Show pictures > Hi all. > Today our club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put on a small > show in Highland CA. ( That is about as far North and East in the Los > Angeles basin an you can go). Weather was about perfect, near 80? F, > with light breeze. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31706982&f=0 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 4 15:54:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:54:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2005 12:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree stands to support the posts >> George, Seen lots of people take a coffee can filled with cement and about a 3/8 rod with a snow chain monkey link welded to it. Easy to set up and thread small rope thru the links. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 3 09:11:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:11:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Good time to crank up that big mower, and run it in your driveway. That will POWER WASH it:-) Like to see the looks on the neighbors' faces :-)) Later, RickinMt. > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 3 08:02:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:02:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: Message-ID: Tom, I disagree. The money that some O/T's has saved me is incredible. One was advise on a Toyota starter problem. After discussion on the list, the total price tag was $3.20 and a six pack, compared to several hundred dollars for a new starter. So there's a lot of money that probably went for old engine resto. Another time we were talking about house siding stain and linseed oil was discussed. That discussion saved my house from burning down. Time and time again, J.B. has given advise on NG engine fixes that saved the people big bucks. We need all the help we can get on the newer rigs. Yes, some O/T's get way out in left field and my delete key is close by...and as Arnie mentioned a filter can be setup. As George says: "if ya can't figger it out, ask your grandchildren." SEL is my morning fix and I'll never be able to return the favors I've been given. "Jus Lovin' it" RickinMt. > > I will apologies for starting the Honda oil plug "OT" discussion and > offending any of the folks on this list. > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 11:29:13 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:29:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George In-Reply-To: <052d01c5392a$be276670$9800a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: Arthur, Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something might be wrong with his email. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: "Arthur Southwell" > >Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I send >you bounces. > >Please contact me of list. > >Arthur > > > > >Arthur Southwell >Arthur Southwell Rebuilding >Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >asouth at strato.net > > >http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 17:41:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:41:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <200504030053.j330rQLA009197@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: This coming friday will be Cork and I's first public showing. It will be in the parking lot of the local vo-tech. They have helped us so much and the instructors have been out to the shed to see them run. Should be fun and will take pix's. later, RickinMt. From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 4 17:44:59 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:44:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4251DF8B.5090502@wightman.ca> Hi Curt, Interresting. I would even say it could be factory in spite of the less than perfect contour matching around the top due to the other casting characteristics and I would definately call it tank cooled especially since the factory offerd it as an option. Looks like it would have been a 6 HP? I have never seen one like it up here and it would be quite a prize to have. Lots of mysteries in the gas engine world yet to be explained. Duncan Curt wrote: > Duncan, > Dunno if you happened to look over the Oz pictures I posted, but there > is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20294.jpg > > > Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? This was > the first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Duncan Denman wrote: > >> Hey Jeff, >> >> I have been on this list for a few years now. This happens about >> several times a year and people threaten to leave and sometimes do. >> As you noticed, they are still here. I even got a off list reprimand >> from one of the members years ago when he thought I should hold back >> if I wasn't absolutely sure about what I was saying. He is still >> here and so am I. >> On a different note, I hauled out my Massey Harris yesterday and >> after a couple of cranks, if fired up and ran for a while before I >> had to get on with home stuff. Spring is almost here. >> >> Duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 4 17:49:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:49:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: <42517492.40200@imc-group.com> References: <42517492.40200@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4251E081.8020403@wightman.ca> Bye the way Curt, thanks for sharing that pic. Duncan Curt wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 17:06:15 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:06:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George References: Message-ID: <00a901c53973$49486270$6a3354d2@Cam> Luke, Reg was at our Rally on the weekend, so he is around. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:29 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George > Arthur, > > Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a > crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something > might be wrong with his email. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >>From: "Arthur Southwell" >> >>Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I >>send you bounces. >> >>Please contact me of list. >> >>Arthur >> >> >> >> >>Arthur Southwell >>Arthur Southwell Rebuilding >>Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >>asouth at strato.net >> >> >>http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >>http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >>http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 17:14:39 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:14:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man Message-ID: <1e4.38aa9dd3.2f83326f@aol.com> Hi folks, Just saw this info. on Harry's site. Nate Lilibridge, of Voluntown, CT. passed away about 2:00 AM this morning. Nate was a fine person, and helped me with quite a few engine questions when I first started going to Coolspring. He will be missed by many of us engine folks. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 4 17:45:52 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:45:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George Message-ID: <20050404.204627.1160.2.jlb94@juno.com> I got a notice that Reg's mailbox is full. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Apr 4 17:57:39 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:57:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man Message-ID: <410-2200542505739687@coastalnet.com> Thanks for passing that on, Dwight. Nate was a fine gentleman from all I can gather. He was very gracious in showing me around the big engine shed at Kinzer a few years ago. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/kinzers2/r_and_t2.htm I know he will be sorely missed. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/4/2005 8:39:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man > > Hi folks, > Just saw this info. on Harry's site. Nate Lilibridge, of Voluntown, CT. > passed away about 2:00 AM this morning. Nate was a fine person, and helped me with > quite a few engine questions when I first started going to Coolspring. > He will be missed by many of us engine folks. > > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 17:59:25 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:59:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504050059.j350xLWe051936@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Dwight, That is a good question to which I do not have a good answer. I checked my manuals and there is no mention of a standard set of tools in the toolbox. The smaller portables did not have a toolbox and I have seen a lot of the larger engines with no toolbox fitted. I have seen all sorts of things in Austral toolboxes such as spare sets of rings, the various bits associated with the Primus, and frequently some good red soil ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day folks, Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to find these tools ? Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take off the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! Thanks for any help you can provide !! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 18:02:30 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:02:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404091802.021fe450@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200504050102.j3512P6a052670@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Shannon gets sick of the noise of the engines so she usually keeps out of the way. I should try and get an insurance card for here and see what happens ;) I don't think she is very safety conscious. Here she is wondering if the muffler is hot: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/buza58.jpg (It was) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- GREAT set of pictures Patrick! Did Shannon not have an insurance card and therefore not allowed inside the fence? Dave From asouth at strato.net Mon Apr 4 18:30:48 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:30:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George References: Message-ID: <069e01c5397f$198ce0e0$9800a8c0@Arthur> Thanks Luke, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George > Arthur, > > Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a > crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something > might be wrong with his email. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >>From: "Arthur Southwell" >> >>Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I >>send you bounces. >> >>Please contact me of list. >> >>Arthur >> >> >> >> >>Arthur Southwell >>Arthur Southwell Rebuilding >>Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >>asouth at strato.net >> >> >>http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >>http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >>http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Apr 4 18:46:09 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:46:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Well I just got off the phone with Peter Wilcock, People may know him as the owner of the Ronaldson & Tippet Austral register. He is a member of our local club. Well he does not know whether Australs came out with Ronaldson & Tippet made tools! All he can find is that the engine is supplied with "Spanners and oil" He said that in his opinion R & T would have just bought in tools from the cheapest supplier at the time. Russell At 09:29 AM 4/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: >G'day folks, > Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in >the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to >find these tools ? > Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of >good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get >Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take >off >the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! > Thanks for any help you can provide !! > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Apr 4 19:03:10 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:03:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <578f644790e9b0e9fe4e52923d64507f@chartertn.net> When Fairbanks-Morse did exactly that, they called those engines tank cooled. John On Apr 4, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Best, George wrote: > I wouldn't call that a tank cooled engine ;-) > > It's a hopper cooled engine with the hopper removed and a plate used to > seal off the cylinder so an external source of water could be used for > cooling. > > If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does > that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 4 19:11:01 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:11:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine References: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> Message-ID: Dwight,,keep in mind the junkman will probably charge you to haul it away. Hydrocarbons ya know.."Global warming." Personally I'd try to get it running. An ole refer guy could check it out for ya....unless of course it's leaked out the freon due to the ice pick defrosting trick..but doubt it. Might get lucky and just have to replace the door seal.. RickInMt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine > > A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts small farm, > just > passed away about a year ago. The land is already up for sale, and > developers > want to put up quite a few houses. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle > with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty > good > shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it > away. I > doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built > between 1947 & 1955. > There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on page 246 - > right > hand side. > PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the old tools, > nuts & > bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. The tractor will be great for > moving those portable engines :-) > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Apr 4 19:20:55 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:20:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4251F607.7010300@fidnet.com> Tom, what is a "snow chain monkey link"? Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2005 12:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > George_Best at adp.com writes: > > << I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree > stands to support the posts >> > > George, > > Seen lots of people take a coffee can filled with cement and about a 3/8 rod > with a snow chain monkey link welded to it. Easy to set up and thread small > rope thru the links. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rwenig at telus.net Mon Apr 4 19:26:15 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:26:15 -0600 Subject: Silver solder: was Re: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> Hello Luke, I'm not Reg but maybe this will suffice until Reg is back on line. I assume your building the crank for Reg's engine. I use "Silvaloy 45 or Silvaloy A-45" which I can get from Ackland Grainger here for similar applications. Hope this helps. Rupert Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Arthur, > > Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for > a crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think > something might be wrong with his email. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 19:36:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also >only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. Dave From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 19:56:33 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:56:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <4251FE61.5080501@optusnet.com.au> Arnie Fero wrote: >Dwight, > >With that nice layer of dry Aussie dirt I think you want to use a funnel >web spider rather than the red back. Equally venomous, but it would be >happier in the dirt. > >http://www.amonline.net.au/spiders/dangerous/funnelweb/ >http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm >http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/Fws.htm > >See ya, Arnie > > =========== Whenever I hear reference to the funnel-web spider, I chuckle in rememberance of a spoonerism widely broadcast over the National radio in Oz where the female news-reader reported that a woman was "bitten on the funnel by a finger-web spider." I'll bet her toes curled up in embarassment when she realised what she'd said! (Funnel? So this IS on-topic?) Jack in Oz ============= From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 20:15:44 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:15:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <425202E0.80408@optusnet.com.au> Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >> G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I >> also only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. > > > Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked > to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question > asked. > Dave > ============== Dave, since you asked the question, I think the psychologists would say that this is positive feed-back. In a visual type conversation, the participants would be nodding their heads, indicating that they were following the conversation: not necessarily agreeing with it. In the case of telephone conversations, we tend to say Yes, Yes, Uhuh, from time to time. So here we may occasionally email "Yes, me too". The actual words are not important, just the indication of acceptance of the theme. I do know that I find it off-putting and get a feeling that my input is unworthy of acknowledgement when I make a comment and get the Easter Island Statue response - no feed-back, however how trivial. Is this so bad? Jack on Oz ============== From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Apr 4 20:18:28 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:18:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405131750.00b4c5e8@mail.ncable.com.au> Same reason why you have the need to read your own posts to Dave??? At 10:36 PM 4/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >>G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also >>only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. > >Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to >the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 20:30:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:30:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man In-Reply-To: <1e4.38aa9dd3.2f83326f@aol.com> References: <1e4.38aa9dd3.2f83326f@aol.com> Message-ID: <42520655.1060603@scrtc.com> Dwight, I got an email early today telling me about Nate. Great guy. Sad loss for all who knew him. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: >Hi folks, > Just saw this info. on Harry's site. Nate Lilibridge, of Voluntown, CT. >passed away about 2:00 AM this morning. Nate was a fine person, and helped me with >quite a few engine questions when I first started going to Coolspring. > He will be missed by many of us engine folks. > >Dwight Vivas >Matoaca, VA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Apr 4 20:48:44 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:48:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <011b01c53992$5e327260$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Can I just add to that. A friend of mine here in Canberra had a largish Austral (about 8hp) and he had an Austral spanner of about 3/4 whitworth size. The word "Austral" was embossed on the spanner. Hope this helps. While I am at it I am after "named" shearers screw drivers. Does anyone have anything other than, Lister (4 types), Moffat-Virtue, Wolsely (2 types), Burgon. Does anybody have any other types like Cooper and Buzacott and also one with three blades instead of the normal two. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral tool box > G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also > only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Well I > just got off the phone with Peter Wilcock, People may know him as the owner > of the Ronaldson & Tippet Austral register. He is a member of our local > club. Well he does not know whether Australs came out with Ronaldson & > Tippet made tools! All he can find is that the engine is supplied with > "Spanners and oil" He said that in his opinion R & T would have just bought > in tools from the cheapest supplier at the time. > > Russell > > > At 09:29 AM 4/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >G'day folks, > > Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in > >the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to > >find these tools ? > > Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of > >good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get > >Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take > >off > >the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! > > Thanks for any help you can provide !! > > Dwight Vivas > > Matoaca, VA. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Apr 4 21:09:15 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:09:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42520F6B.5070102@fidnet.com> I don't know, Dave, why do you suppose they do it? Gary Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >> G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I >> also only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. > > > Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to > the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 21:48:35 2005 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:48:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5399a$ce4bd430$a6731dd3@fred> I have only seen one spanner that is branded Austral, it fits wheel stay locks, can bee seen at Lake Goldsmith on Max Holt`s Austral Brian. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 23:34:18 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:34:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200504050634.j356YDK8036120@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Thank you Dave, for being such an advocate for on topic discussion on the list. You certainly know how to encourage people to post. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also >only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. Dave From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Mon Apr 4 23:36:22 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:36:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] McDonald engines In-Reply-To: <008b01c538a4$7c6716d0$0201010a@Portable> References: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050405163157.0288eb70@mail.netconnect.com.au> Hello Ray, Welcome to the McDfratenity - where cast iron was the go along with strained backs! The McDonald book says that 2087 was built in 1955. If you want to know more, or want to add another one to your collection, please contact me off list! Regards, Mark At 07:25 AM 4/4/2005 +0800, Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: >I picked up two dismantled McDonald diesels on Saturday.Both are SPI's and >hopefully all the bits are there. Does anyone have info on these? The >serial number of one is 2087. 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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Apr 5 00:42:23 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:42:23 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine Message-ID: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, thanks. Chester from West Aussie. From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 5 01:03:12 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 8:03:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <3rrac5$sfo0si@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> > Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to > the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. > Dave > They probably figured out it pisses you off. J.B. Castagnos From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 01:48:24 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:48:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine Message-ID: Hi Chester , i have a 3 1/2 but it has a breather pipe on the opposite side to the govener up near the top of the fuel tank. it has a cap on it with an 1/8 hole in it. Dave >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] New Way engine >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:42:23 +0800 > >Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp hinged >crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and has >filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to find >either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am going to >have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the governor side >& some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on build date, the >hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, thanks. >Chester from West Aussie. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From courtleigh at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 5 02:55:18 2005 From: courtleigh at optusnet.com.au (courtleigh) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:55:18 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] reg ingold Message-ID: <42526086.000003.40905@COLINHOW> Hi, reg had a little trouble with the computer he should have anew one set up in a day or so. col howells From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Apr 5 03:57:26 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:57:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040520051057.15988.42526F1600057B2800003E7421979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rick for the tip, will check it out. Curt Andree > Curt; > Maybe http://www.mcmaster.com/ around page 3240. I think you can punch > that in in the window. Maybe just search packing and get all the results > > Didn't see teflon tho but they list PTFE > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:43 AM > Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing > > > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type packing to rebuild > > my > > Stover model "C" 5hp engine fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > supplier? > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Apr 5 04:13:21 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:13:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040520051113.21522.425272D1000BF1660000541221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Not sure about a turned over TFE ring yet, just going by what my friend Joe Maurer is recommending right now. thanks, Curt Andree > On Apr 2, 2005 2:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > > > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > > > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > > supplier? > > > > Hi Curt, > > Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you > > the perfect packing to match your exact application. > > > > www.mcmaster.com > > > > www.acdepuydt.com > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > > No chance of getting a Teflon ring turned up to do the job? or even a > high-temp O ring, the sort that are used for pushrod tubes on > air-cooled engines? > > Just a thought as I sit here working on a Saturday...:-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Apr 5 04:14:55 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:14:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040520051114.21823.4252732F000424620000553F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rob, spoke with their sales rep yesterday and believe this will help. Curt Andree > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > supplier? > > > Hi Curt, > Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you > the perfect packing to match your exact application. > > www.mcmaster.com > > www.acdepuydt.com > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 5 04:49:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:49:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? And where did you purchase them from? TIA RickinMt. PS: And is it big enough :-)) From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 5 05:01:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:01:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <006101c539d7$499b8d10$42cf3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Chester ...........if you don't get anything back let me know . There is a New way up at Midland workshops ,belongs to a club member,i will arrange for a pic if you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] New Way engine > Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp hinged > crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and has > filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to find > either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am going > to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the governor > side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on build date, > the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, thanks. > Chester from West Aussie. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 5 05:37:41 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:37:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:49 AM 4/5/2005, you wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? >And where did you purchase them from? >TIA >RickinMt. Hi Rick, Arnie and I have had a number of them over the years. I've found the EZ Up to be the best, but pricey. Right now we are using a Quik Shade and find it almost as good as the EZ UP and at about half the cost. Ours is 10 X 10 and that seems an OK size. The Quik Shade costs about $100-125.00. I've seen them at Home Depot and WallMart. (I think I've seen them at Advanced Auto as well.) Stores should be getting them in soon. Dave From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Apr 5 05:39:53 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:39:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings References: Message-ID: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> There's a guy who always sells canopy supplies here at my local show every September, that's where I got mine. I did make a rookie mistake in getting the smaller size brackets (for the 3/4 inch electrical conduit). Get the larger sized ones, one inch or larger. I have noticed in the past several years they've come out with different tarps also, ones with "sides" that you can drape down & somewhat enclose the area. Great protection against wind & rain. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Apr 5 06:20:58 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:20:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> Hi list, I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Apr 5 06:29:53 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:29:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box & IHC freezer questions Message-ID: <19e.30c1db0e.2f83ecd1@aol.com> Hi folks, Thanks to everyone that replied to the tool box & freezer questions. I now know that finding the correct tools might not be very easy, but I'm sure I can come up with some suitable replacements. I might go after the old IHC freezer, I really don't have the room but I can always squeese another prize under the shed. It would be great to throw a couple of blocks of ice in it, just the place to keep the coke & lemonade cool ;o) You gotta have some cold drinks when working on those engines !! Thanks again, Dwight From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 07:34:47 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> References: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. I want that original galvanized "look" back. What can be done, if anything? Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. Bill From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 07:45:24 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: IHC freezer questions Message-ID: > I might go after the old IHC freezer, I really don't have > the room but I can always squeese another prize under the > shed. It would be great to throw a couple of blocks of ice in > it, just the place to keep the coke & lemonade cool > ;o) You gotta have some cold drinks when working on those engines !! > Thanks again, > Dwight A bit on the morbid side, but that chest type IHC freezer might just be the thing for a deceased IHC collector ;-) You could keep them plugged in and on ice as long as you wanted, then plant the whole thing in the ground when enough time passes and people starting wondering who the hell is the stiff guy in the freezer. :-) George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 07:48:53 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:48:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: Move to the old threshing area! The current SEL area is in the flood plain and seems to be wet most years. The threshing area is on higher ground. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Glenn A Karch > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 6:21 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN > > Hi list, > > I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit > arrangements for the August show have changed. It looks like > the area we've had is still there for engines, but we will > have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors to the > east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is > now open to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Apr 5 08:04:28 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:04:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... Message-ID: <410-2200542515428728@coastalnet.com> I have seen products like this but have not used them. http://www.caswellplating.com/vht/galvanizpaint.html Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/5/2005 10:59:28 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... > I want that original galvanized "look" back. > What can be done, if anything? > > Bill From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 08:51:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] New Way engine In-Reply-To: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Message-ID: Hi Chester, This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I think basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and > has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am > going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the > governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on > build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, > thanks. > Chester from West Aussie. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 5 08:56:21 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:56:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <4252B525.7010809@imc-group.com> Bill, Have you considered simply having it redipped? You might be surprised how inexpensive it is. The hot dip galvanizers are only really particular about one thing....confined spaces that allow pressure build up. For example, if you have built a structural shape out of tubing, you will have to have a 3/8" hole in each tubing segment on that assy to assure no pressure can build. They get ill when they dip a sealed structure in a vat of 500?F hot dip and the expanding air ruptures the tubing spraying hot metal all over everyone. The brackets you mention would be easy. Fuel tanks/desoldering a problem! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the >years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted >again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish >isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. >I want that original galvanized "look" back. >What can be done, if anything? > >Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. > >Bill >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 5 08:35:39 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:35:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00c001c539f5$20376840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > The parking lot is at the end of the street along the river and about 2 > blocks from the main street (Rt.2). Two blocks ? A 10hp n ~ up with a barker will make short work of that . From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 5 09:10:18 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:10:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: IHC freezer questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4252B86A.5070904@imc-group.com> Best, George wrote: >> >>A bit on the morbid side, but that chest type IHC freezer might just be >>the thing for a deceased IHC collector ;-) You could keep them plugged >>in and on ice as long as you wanted, then plant the whole thing in the >>ground when enough time passes and people starting wondering who the >>hell is the stiff guy in the freezer. :-) >> >> George, Morbid? That's just plain odd! :-) I'm surprised that with all the beer drinkers on this list that no one has suggested what a really kewl brewsky cooler this would make. Envision an engine buddies day at your place. You've been listening to the chuff chuff of Famouses, M's, Titans, and Moguls. It's time for a few cold ones and You walk over to your IHC refridge and open it to a case of Guinness. Or perhaps even a keg. Life is good. Arnie, Kerry? Sound good? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Kerry continues to work on making me appreciate Guinness. I'm getting there. From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Apr 5 09:14:31 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:14:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <54.41a17b5d.2f841367@aol.com> Having never been to Portland, what is the difference in the two areas ? The wife & I are going to be there in August, so which area is best ? I don't swim too well, so higher ground is appreciated :-) A shaded area is always nice, but we do plan to bring portable shade just in case there aren't many trees. We also hope to set up with the SEL group if possible. Thanks, Dwight From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 09:18:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? Message-ID: Hi Folks, I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open folks, it could happen here. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 See ya, Arnie PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to translate as needed. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 09:37:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings Message-ID: I've had a few of the Quick Shade 10x10 canopies and they've worked well for me. In most cases a 10x10 is sufficient in size unless you attract large groups of people wanting to share your shade or rain shelter. One thing to remember is to not set up your canopy downwind of the steam engines. The smoke doesn't bother me that much, but the little holes you get from hot cinders will ruin the canopy. Speaking from experience. Another thing is to avoid the lightweight flimsy canopies and be sure to anchor you canopy to the ground. Speaking from experience again and form witnessing others I know that it doesn't take a lot of wind to destroy some canopies. I've got some good mangled canopy pictures I took at the Grass Valley CA show a few years ago. My canopy came through the night okay, but the garbage dumpsters were full the next day with mangled canopies. Steve Gray was there too and could confirm this. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:49 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings > > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open > tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? > > TIA > RickinMt. > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Apr 5 09:52:40 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:52:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. Thanks for the help, John From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 10:12:17 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:12:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: IHC freezer questions Message-ID: > I'm surprised that with all the beer drinkers on this list > that no one has suggested what a really kewl brewsky cooler > this would make. > Envision an engine buddies day at your place. You've been > listening to the chuff chuff of Famouses, M's, Titans, and > Moguls. It's time for a few cold ones and You walk over to > your IHC refridge and open it to a case of Guinness. Or > perhaps even a keg. Life is good. > Arnie, Kerry? Sound good? > Curt Holland Curt, We're talking about a IHC freezer, not a fridge! I like my beer cold, but not frozen ;-) George Ps.... Lucky were not talking about Maytag's. After a few beers, Kerry might be tempted to toss his clothes into the Maytag washer ; -) From tsmith at hal-pc.org Tue Apr 5 10:27:19 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:27:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: IMHO you might have a short between the brakes and the lights, upstream from the load and ground. If you can disconnect the ground on both and check continuity between the lights and brakes with the trailer disconnected from the vehicle, you should find a low resistance path. If not check on the vehicle side of the connector without the trailer connected. Good luck On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:52:40 -0400 "John Cullom" wrote: > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I >hauled out my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer >shows, & noticed something peculiar. All the running lights work >fine, as well as the brake lights, but when the lights are on, the >electric brakes are engaging. Enough that when I turn the lights on >when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes grabbing, so they are >engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the grounds & other >connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But could it >be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake >wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 10:31:28 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4645.165.206.180.102.1112722288.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Not to doubt your work, but sounds like ground-loop condition..... Double-check the grounds - disconnect the brake wire if you can and see if the lights dim. Wires can build resistance where they enter the terminal - especially "crimp-on" connectors. You can get a thin layer of oxide you can't really see down in there. You can measure that with a voltmeter. Turn on the load - lights for example. Connect the meter so one lead is on a GOOD clean ground, the other on the ground wire just ahead of the terminal or connection. Resistance in a connection will show a voltage across that connection. If a ground wire has a loop terminal where a bolt or screw holds it to the frame, for example, put your meter on the frame/ground and where that wire enters the loop terminal. Should see NO reading at all. You are looking to measure voltage drop across a resistance. No resistance, no voltage to measure - they both should be the same, no meter deflection. Bill > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled > out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. > Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the > brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. > But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 5 10:42:03 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:42:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200504051742.j35Hg60N020427@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > figured all the grounds & other connections were clean & tight, Not necessarily so, John. Check your ground. If it looks good, make it better. If you have to test it by clamping a jumper cable to your bumber and the trailer, do it. I suspect the ground is not perfect, and you've got voltages back feeding through filaments and doing all kinds of crazy things. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 10:44:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To add a couple of additional comments to George's... On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > I've had a few of the Quick Shade 10x10 canopies and they've worked well > for me. In most cases a 10x10 is sufficient in size unless you attract > large groups of people wanting to share your shade or rain shelter. The large groups will also share your beer/pop/munchies supples. Plan accordingly. 8-)) Keep the side curtains for your canopy. They are really handy for the summer thunderstorms where the rain is flying horizontally! > One thing to remember is to not set up your canopy downwind of the steam > engines. The smoke doesn't bother me that much, but the little holes > you get from hot cinders will ruin the canopy. Speaking from > experience. This also holds for Petters. Petter spots are impossible to remove. > Another thing is to avoid the lightweight flimsy canopies and be sure to > anchor you canopy to the ground. Speaking from experience again and > form witnessing others I know that it doesn't take a lot of wind to > destroy some canopies. A really good anchorage consists of a ground screw anchor at each corner with a 1" ratchet strap going up to the top corner frame. Jake Faith at Coolspring sells EXCELLENT screw anchors. Tell him I sent you and you'll get the "special price." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Tue Apr 5 12:49:24 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:49:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <001c01c53a18$936c46a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> John, I fought the same identical problem on my single axle trailer several years ago. I know on a stormy rainy night during rush hour traffic coming through Buffalo,NY this was no fun. I don't remember exactly but I think it was one of the light asemblies. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/05 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:20:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:20:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 5:52 PM, John Cullom wrote: > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John I have to reply to this with some uncertainty as we don't have electric brakes over here in the UK, but we DO have lots of salt on the road in winter which causes lots of bad connections. Assuming that the brake lights come on with the electric brake, and that the brake lights and side lights share a common ground in the bulb (assuming again a dual-filament stop and tail bulb) then it is quite plausible that the side lights are not grounded properly and are getting a ground through the stop light filaments, and thus to the electric brake. It is always a pain when bad earths or grounds happen, but usually it is just a case of cleaning up connections and applying some Komaline Jelly or Vaseline Jelly, DO NOT use ordinary grease on electrical contacts! Hope this may help in some small way. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:22:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:22:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605040512227ec84f8a@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 5:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news > group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. > On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears > that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more > than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos > might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open > folks, it could happen here. > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to > translate as needed. 8-)) > > Arnie Fero I should add that the original bit of information came from a very well respected engine man and friend, and it isn't an April 1st joke! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:23:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:23:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing In-Reply-To: <040520051113.21522.425272D1000BF1660000541221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <040520051113.21522.425272D1000BF1660000541221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050405122343eed54d@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 12:13 PM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > Not sure about a turned over TFE ring yet, just going by what my friend Joe > Maurer is recommending right now. > thanks, > Curt Andree No problem, Curt, let me know if we can help in any way. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:25:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:25:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN In-Reply-To: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> References: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6f602516050405122579db9b95@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 2:20 PM, Glenn A Karch wrote: > Hi list, > > I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the > August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there > for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors > to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open > to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA There was talk last year that the open farmland, running alongside the parts sale area would be opened up as well this year, is that the area you mean, Glenn? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:36:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:36:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050405123653c81698@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 3:34 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the > years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted > again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish > isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. > I want that original galvanized "look" back. > What can be done, if anything? > > Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. > > Bill We have had success with Zinc barrel plating, where the items are tumbled with other bits in a barrel. Comes out quite close to Galvanised, but if you want the proper 'wood grain' sort of surface finish again then hot dip galvanising is the way to go. On all counts, it has to be very clean before you start. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Apr 5 13:06:23 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:06:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN References: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> <6f602516050405122579db9b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c53a1a$f37021a0$f3a9123f@oemcomputer> Peter et al, That area to the east (open farmland) now will have the threshing area, the steam engines, saw mill, tractors and a new loading area as well as a place for plowing and driving.. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, IN > On Apr 5, 2005 2:20 PM, Glenn A Karch wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the > > August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there > > for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors > > to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open > > to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > > > > Glenn > > > > Glenn Karch > > Haubstadt, IN, USA > > There was talk last year that the open farmland, running alongside the > parts sale area would be opened up as well this year, is that the area > you mean, Glenn? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 13:09:15 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> <6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1338.165.206.180.102.1112731755.squirrel@antique-engines.com> A product called NoOx or just plain old silicone dielectric grease works, too. The former used by electricians to prevent connection problems, the latter used widely in automotive applications. I use the latter ANYtime I replace an auto bulb, too. Bill > On Apr 5, 2005 5:52 PM, John Cullom wrote: >> Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled >> out >> my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed >> something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the >> brake >> lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. >> Enough >> that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the >> brakes >> grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the >> grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. >> But >> could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the >> brake >> wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. >> Thanks for the help, >> John > > I have to reply to this with some uncertainty as we don't have > electric brakes over here in the UK, but we DO have lots of salt on > the road in winter which causes lots of bad connections. > > Assuming that the brake lights come on with the electric brake, and > that the brake lights and side lights share a common ground in the > bulb (assuming again a dual-filament stop and tail bulb) then it is > quite plausible that the side lights are not grounded properly and are > getting a ground through the stop light filaments, and thus to the > electric brake. > > It is always a pain when bad earths or grounds happen, but usually it > is just a case of cleaning up connections and applying some Komaline > Jelly or Vaseline Jelly, DO NOT use ordinary grease on electrical > contacts! > > Hope this may help in some small way. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 13:24:25 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:24:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Hi Chester, on my new way engine the fuel tank vent is just above the gas >tank filler inlet on the back of the engine and the crankcase vent is >opposite the governor side with a t in it for checking oil level in >crankcase. Steve From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 13:26:47 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040512227ec84f8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605040512227ec84f8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > I should add that the original bit of information came from a very > well respected engine man and friend, and it isn't an April 1st joke! Hell, THAT assurance ain't worth spit! We have on numerous occasions had "well respected engine men" run April 1st scams on this very list! Usually to better effect given their "street cred." 8-)) See ya, Arnie From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 13:29:20 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:29:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My goodness Arnie, What a disaster! Sweet Thing and I saw a lot of Boot Sales over there last summer! Not sure if we Jumbled enough though! Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Folks, > >I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news >group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. >On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears >that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more >than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos >might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open >folks, it could happen here. > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to > translate as needed. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 13:29:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:29:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? Message-ID: Scary. I'm hoping this is just a joke as I find it hard to believe that anyone could seriously think those proposals would be accepted by the general public. Of course if they did, you're welcome to ship all those old engines over here! ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? > > On Apr 5, 2005 5:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I just read this interesting thread on the > uk.rec.engines.stationary > > news group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid > notion gets stuffed. > > On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it > > appears that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love > > nothing more than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility > > that our politicos might try and introduce something > equally stupid. > > Keep your eyes open folks, it could happen here. > > > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_t > > hread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will > be happy to > > translate as needed. 8-)) > > > > Arnie Fero > > I should add that the original bit of information came from a > very well respected engine man and friend, and it isn't an > April 1st joke! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 13:31:52 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:31:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: > Peter et al, > > That area to the east (open farmland) now will have the > threshing area, the steam engines, saw mill, tractors and a > new loading area as well as a place for plowing and driving.. > > Glenn Glenn, That sounds great for the FATG's. That was one area where I always thought the Portland show was lacking. Space for the tractor guys to use or play with their toys. The first time I visited Portland I knew I'd never want to haul a tractor there just to park it. George From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 13:32:53 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:32:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After the usual "Portland Blows" I recall that the EZUps fared better than most, in part because the velcro usually breaks loose before the frame bends! Steve >From: "Best, George" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Show Awnings >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:49 -0500 > >I've had a few of the Quick Shade 10x10 canopies and they've worked well >for me. In most cases a 10x10 is sufficient in size unless you attract >large groups of people wanting to share your shade or rain shelter. > >One thing to remember is to not set up your canopy downwind of the steam >engines. The smoke doesn't bother me that much, but the little holes >you get from hot cinders will ruin the canopy. Speaking from >experience. > >Another thing is to avoid the lightweight flimsy canopies and be sure to >anchor you canopy to the ground. Speaking from experience again and >form witnessing others I know that it doesn't take a lot of wind to >destroy some canopies. > >I've got some good mangled canopy pictures I took at the Grass Valley CA >show a few years ago. My canopy came through the night okay, but the >garbage dumpsters were full the next day with mangled canopies. > >Steve Gray was there too and could confirm this. > >George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Richard Strobel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:49 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings > > > > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open > > tent/awning's they have? > > And where did you purchase them from? > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 5 14:35:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:35:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <29.708c4044.2f845ead@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garyepps at fidnet.com writes: << what is a "snow chain monkey link >> Gary A tire snow chain repair link is what I always heard referred to as a "monkey link". The repair link is twisted partially open so you can slip two ends of a broken chain in it and close it up to make the repair. Being partially open allows you to easily slip a small rope in it when it is welded on the end of the rod. Keeps you from having to thread the rope thru a bunch of holes. I can take a picture of one if you are interested. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From falcon at telenet.net Tue Apr 5 14:51:01 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:51:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? References: Message-ID: <005e01c53a29$8fa12520$761117d1@net.telenet.net> There are a few of those that have been pushed in California but haven't made it all the way YET. Japan has a LOT of that already in place as well. Items 3,4,6,7,9 have been there a LONG time. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? > Scary. > > I'm hoping this is just a joke as I find it hard to believe that anyone > could seriously think those proposals would be accepted by the general > public. > > Of course if they did, you're welcome to ship all those old engines over > here! ;-) > > George From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 5 14:52:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:52:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <156.4e640b48.2f84628e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/2005 11:00:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. >> Dave, I am glad that spring is here for a lot of us as I do believe the winter weather has just about frazzled many folks nerves! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 15:21:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Steve, On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > My goodness Arnie, What a disaster! Sweet Thing and I saw a lot of Boot > Sales over there last summer! Not sure if we Jumbled enough though! Steve When I saw Sweet Thang last year down at Cotton Ginning Days, she had EXACTLY that complaint; namely that you two didn't "jumble enough." NOW I know what she meant. Better get to it lad!!! 8->>> See ya, Arnie From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 08:00:07 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:00:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of silver soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= >From: Rupert Wenig > >Hello Luke, > I'm not Reg but maybe this will suffice until Reg is back on line. > I assume your building the crank for Reg's engine. I use "Silvaloy 45 or >Silvaloy A-45" which I can get from >Ackland Grainger here for similar applications. > Hope this helps. > >Rupert >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Arthur, >> >>Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a >>crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something >>might be wrong with his email. >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Apr 5 15:52:11 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:52:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Internet Storm Center References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> <1338.165.206.180.102.1112731755.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <00da01c53a32$1b171300$1ac8f504@x8h7l9> My son forwarded the following this afternoon. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT The Internet Storm Center has upgraded the Internet threat level from green to yellow. This is due to a widespread and ongoing attack. The attack may direct your Internet browser from sites that you intend to visit, to sites that are placing spyware on your computer. This only affects web sites that end with "com." The "net" and "org" (and other) sites have not been affected (yet). If you attempt to visit a ".com" Internet site and get a page that is different from what you expected, please close the browser and run a scan for viruses and spyware. Email for domains that end in ".com" may also experience delivery problems. I strongly recommend that everyone avoid sites that require a username and passcode (like your bank) if it is a ".com" web page, until this threat has passed. You should also strive to keep Internet browsing to an absolute minimum during this event. Network administrators would do well to verify that DNS servers are secure against cache poisoning. If you'd like more information, or the detailed geekspeak, please try these (".org") web sites. http://isc.sans.org/ http://isc.sans.org/presentations/dnspoisoning.php From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 5 15:36:50 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:36:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? References: <005e01c53a29$8fa12520$761117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <001801c53a2f$f7d17360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > There are a few of those that have been pushed in California but haven't > made it all the way YET. > > Japan has a LOT of that already in place as well. Items 3,4,6,7,9 have > been there a LONG time. > > Steve Williams all the cheap(not anymore)take out engines you find on the left coast are pulled by Nippon law after only a couple years use . containered up and shipped off for salvage How far can you drive on Japan ?? You moss reprace entaah een -JON !!!!! NOW !!!! IT PORUTE !!! but way before then , 100% of the brakes , exhaust system ,drive train all get PM'd and red taggedout at a fraction of the failure interval , not like it flies or something ...like a big yearly tax you pay mistukawatokicoasanmikuni and they are allowed to buy OEM only at jacked up prices from the same guys that thought up the ''safety ''program in the first place . I have never seen any mention of this stuff outside of the trade press . I guess most folks dont give a damn , but thats some heavy politico-industrial complex action . And OUR OEMS ARE ENTHRALLED WITH IT !!!!By oem's I mean the guys that build the parts for the auto makers to assemble into cars . They think its's justcool as hell ! What did they call the Japanese MIC in the 30's ? The kiritsu ? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 16:15:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:15:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: References: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605040516152c265b7c@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 4:00 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of silver > soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. > > Luke Tonneberger I think Reggie may be away, his mailbox is full according to the failure messages I am getting back. Silver soldering is a lower temperature method of fixing bits together than brazing but higher temp than soft soldering. I use a standard gas torch (oxy-acetylene) on a small nozzle and low flame, and keep the flame moving, don't let it overheat in one spot. Cleanliness and a good flux are essential, and a fine gas nozzle so you can keep the heat local and run the molten solder along a joint. It's a bit expensive for large joints, but for small stuff the solder wicks into joints very nicely. Check what type of fluxes you can get, and as always you need practice to make perfect. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 06:31:49 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:31:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland Message-ID: Just received the Newsletter for Portland. Looks like some pretty big changes for the engine area this year. The engine area to the East of the log cabin and by the horse barns will now be tractors. Saw mill and threshing will also be in that area. That portion of the engine area will now be out in the tractor area to the North of the big engines or to the West of the consignment sale barn. Part of the new land acquired to the East will have an area for the tractors to plow. I see why they moved the tractors, can't have them driving through the crowds. Will be interesting to see how many tractors will actually be operated. Will also be interesting to see what others think and how it works out. See this picture for reference: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 5 16:39:13 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:39:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder Message-ID: <3rr89m$spbrac@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Just posting to say I don't know anything about silver solder. Just joking Dave. When silver soldering, the flux is usually white, when it turns clear it should be hot enough to apply the solder. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rwenig at telus.net Tue Apr 5 17:05:07 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425327B3.5050902@telus.net> Hello Luke, I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large enough to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch will work for very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet or an acetylene turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I could be wrong but I don't think straight propane will do the job. You also should have tinted goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles are fine. Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the joint to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to flow. Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot enough when it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to use the heat to draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little bit off the solder wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with some scrap to get familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar to remove any excess flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of flux on all sides of the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your joint. The solder should have flowed right through the joint in a nice even thin layer if everything is right. It may take a few tries to get it right. An other point- don't overheat the joint as overheating will cause an oxide to form in the joint and prevent solder adhesion. Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. I bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a few years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a piece of ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the parts in the clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts together. The rest of the procedure is the same as above. Try this and let us know how you make out. Rupert Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of > silver soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > >> From: Rupert Wenig >> >> Hello Luke, >> I'm not Reg but maybe this will suffice until Reg is back on line. >> I assume your building the crank for Reg's engine. I use "Silvaloy >> 45 or Silvaloy A-45" which I >> can get from Ackland Grainger here for similar applications. >> Hope this helps. >> >> Rupert >> Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> >>> Arthur, >>> >>> Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder >>> for a crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think >>> something might be wrong with his email. >>> >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 18:15:10 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:15:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Internet Storm Center In-Reply-To: <00da01c53a32$1b171300$1ac8f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200504060115.j361FGtI037170@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Yeah, seen them before. The problem I have is that they are the only ones that seem to be talking about any "attack". -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:52 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Internet Storm Center My son forwarded the following this afternoon. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT The Internet Storm Center has upgraded the Internet threat level from green to yellow. This is due to a widespread and ongoing attack. The attack may direct your Internet browser from sites that you intend to visit, to sites that are placing spyware on your computer. This only affects web sites that end with "com." The "net" and "org" (and other) sites have not been affected (yet). If you attempt to visit a ".com" Internet site and get a page that is different from what you expected, please close the browser and run a scan for viruses and spyware. Email for domains that end in ".com" may also experience delivery problems. I strongly recommend that everyone avoid sites that require a username and passcode (like your bank) if it is a ".com" web page, until this threat has passed. You should also strive to keep Internet browsing to an absolute minimum during this event. Network administrators would do well to verify that DNS servers are secure against cache poisoning. If you'd like more information, or the detailed geekspeak, please try these (".org") web sites. http://isc.sans.org/ http://isc.sans.org/presentations/dnspoisoning.php _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Apr 5 18:29:35 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:29:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <410-2200542515428728@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200542515428728@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <42533B7F.7060509@wiktel.com> Try this website for ZRC Galvenizing. http://www.zrcworldwide.com/ William Olson, 100 miles North of nowhere in Northern Minnesota ---------------------------- Ken Christison wrote: >I have seen products like this but have not used them. >http://www.caswellplating.com/vht/galvanizpaint.html > >Ken > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 4/5/2005 10:59:28 AM >>Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... >> >> > > > >>I want that original galvanized "look" back. >>What can be done, if anything? >> >> > > > >>Bill >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 18:47:26 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050406014726.79761.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya Rick, I really like my canopy. It is a 10X20 and takes a 12X20 tarp to cover it. Well that's what it started as,,,, The pipes are have the same outer size as chain link fence top rail so I bought a few pieces, three more center connectors and a 20X30 tarp. Now it is an 18X30 canopy. Of course another set of connectors soon came my way along with a 20X40 silver tarp and now I will soon grab three more pieces of top rail to make it an 18X40 canopy. The bigger size is great for picnics and a smaller size family reunion we have here. I will have the big one at Portland this year if all goes as planned. I guess what I am trying to say is my canopy seemed to come with options. Yes,,, I could even use a 10X12 tarp to set it up as a 10X10 canopy for one little show I go to. I have several 10X12 tarps so I guess I have about four different sizes I can make this canopy. I guess it IS big or small enough. The top rail pieces have a thicker wall and are well suited to the longer "rafters." They also come with one end sized down to slip inside the next top rail. That lets me cut them in half so they transport easier. Just change ends and slide them together. I think I originally bought mine from Northern Tool & Hydraulics or something like that. I see them for sale all over the place now. All my extra connectors and ball bungies were just picked up at shows. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Richard Strobel wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? > > TIA > RickinMt. > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Apr 5 20:08:55 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:08:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN In-Reply-To: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050405224830.00b14b70@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 08:20 AM 4/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi list, > >I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the >August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there >for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors >to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open >to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > >Glenn You might think about moving out to the higher ground that the tractor guys had out by the riding ring near the saw mill sight. Lot of nice big shade trees there. As for tractors ( I usually take one ). I am sure the directors will get an ear full about the move but I think it is a good one for the long term. With the new ground they will let us play. I for one drove my tractor and plow back there last year and made a few rounds turning dirt. Of course even before that I start my tractor every day of the show. Some times even before Leroy gets an engine running in the AM - good thing I have a flashlight. (-; However I see the directors point of not wanting tractors driving through the crowds to get there. The directors also talked of a tractor parade in front of the grandstand last year and the new area will be a direct shot to the racetrack/grandstand. The only downside I see to the plan is how far away from the camper area it will be. I hope they make a cart road around the grounds from the camping area to the tractor side and then a cart parking area on that side of the grounds for us non-handicap folks. If not we may be handicap by the end of the show. )-: - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Apr 5 15:15:54 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:15:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42530E1A.2000601@wightman.ca> Hi Rick, We got one a few years ago and it makes all the difference between a good time and getting sunburned. Got it at Cameron Canopies and yes, get the large brackets and pipe. You will be amazed how popular you are when it rains too. Had an older gent stop by my display one hot day and sit in the vacant chair next to me and start talking as if we had known each other for years. Was great. Duncan Richard Strobel wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? >And where did you purchase them from? > >TIA >RickinMt. > >PS: And is it big enough :-)) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 5 20:42:40 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <29.708c4044.2f845ead@aol.com> References: <29.708c4044.2f845ead@aol.com> Message-ID: <42535AB0.6030506@fidnet.com> Thanks Tom. I know what you mean. I actually have a bag of them on one of my workbenches. I just didn't know what they were called. I have always thought of them as repair links. Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > garyepps at fidnet.com writes: > > << what is a "snow chain monkey link >> > > Gary > > A tire snow chain repair link is what I always heard referred to as a "monkey > link". The repair link is twisted partially open so you can slip two ends of > a broken chain in it and close it up to make the repair. Being partially > open allows you to easily slip a small rope in it when it is welded on the end of > the rod. Keeps you from having to thread the rope thru a bunch of holes. I > can take a picture of one if you are interested. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 5 20:35:09 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:35:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050405.234339.1048.2.jlb94@juno.com> The Monkey Link sounds like a good idea. What I did was to make 3/8" re-bar stanchions and weld a 3/4" washer about 3" from the top. You can slip a loop through the washer and over the top of the rod and it's good to go. If you need to take a section down to let someone drive in or out, just take the loop over the top and slip it out of the washer. Presto ! For the base I probably would use old tire rims. They're redily available in the local woods - FREE !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 5 20:36:40 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:36:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <20050405.234339.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Right on Tom - I'll second that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 5 23:31:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:31:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again Message-ID: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. The wallet is hurting but......................! Reg. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 5 23:58:49 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:58:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001401c53a76$19a5dee0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> That's great Reg, what features does your new cyberbox have? John H. > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 00:00:10 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:00:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: welcome back Reg. >From: "R & M Ingold" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "List SEL" >Subject: [SEL] back again >Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:31:28 +1000 > >After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >one. >The wallet is hurting but......................! > >Reg. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 80,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 00:16:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:16:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f602516050406001611ac6153@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2005 7:31 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. Was going to call you later, see what had happened! Mail was being rejected through your mailbox being full. Glad to see all is OK. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 00:34:33 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:34:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com> Glad you're back Reg. Gary R & M Ingold wrote: > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 00:49:20 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:49:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42539480.90101@fidnet.com> Rick, first, I don't have an awning/open tent/canopy. I have looked at the EZUP but small. I have seen too much horizontal rain to invest in a 10x10 canopy. I have also looked carefully at the one Sam's Wholesale Club sell, the 10x20 one. I believe it comes with side curtains as well. The only drawback I can see is, it is very heavy. I can't carry the box out of the store. Setting it up is probably easier because you don't have to lift the whole thing at once. The tubing is probably 2" in diameter. As I recall it is about $200.00, at least it was at one time. Gary Richard Strobel wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? > > TIA > RickinMt. > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:09:33 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:09:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001401c53a76$19a5dee0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <007101c53a88$59d03df0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Every flamin bell and whistle as far as I know! Just gotta learn em all now!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > That's great Reg, what features does your new cyberbox have? > > John H. > > > >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:10:26 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:10:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f602516050406001611ac6153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007601c53a88$79010380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ah, Forbsie, Maaate! A call from you is beyond price! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > On Apr 6, 2005 7:31 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. > > Was going to call you later, see what had happened! Mail was being > rejected through your mailbox being full. > > Glad to see all is OK. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:11:24 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:11:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > Glad you're back Reg. > > Gary > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Apr 6 04:05:04 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:05:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed Message-ID: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> My puter hard drive crashed last month and lost the name/address for the guy that makes ignitors,etc. for Titan and other IHC engines. Believe he is from Ohio or Indiana. He had a website with good pics of his parts available too. thanks in advance, Curt Andree From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:10:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:10:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Joke list Message-ID: <012801c53a99$47f4ccc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> If you were on the joke list and you dont get anything . let me know as this change to the new Puter lost my joke lists and a lot of other stuff that I am just finding out about. I have already been beaten about the head and body for losing some of Marg's stuff! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:11:21 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:11:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <001601c53a99$61390020$b9d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I am also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at his Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron filings as Arnie suggests! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Hi Chester, > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I think > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, >> thanks. >> Chester from West Aussie. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 04:25:09 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:25:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: <425327B3.5050902@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks alot Rupert. I will report on how it comes out. I have the oxy torch set so heat won't be problem. As long as it holds I'll be happy. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: Rupert Wenig >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder >Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 > >Hello Luke, > I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large enough >to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch will work for >very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet or an acetylene >turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I could be wrong but I >don't think straight propane will do the job. You also should have tinted >goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles are fine. > Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. >The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and >flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the >parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the joint >to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to flow. >Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot enough when >it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to use the heat to >draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little bit off the solder >wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with some scrap to get >familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar to remove any excess >flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of flux on all sides of >the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your joint. The solder should >have flowed right through the joint in a nice even thin layer if everything >is right. It may take a few tries to get it right. An other point- don't >overheat the joint as overheating will cause an oxide to form in the joint >and prevent solder adhesion. > > Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. I >bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a few >years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a piece of >ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the parts in the >clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts together. The rest >of the procedure is the same as above. > > Try this and let us know how you make out. >Rupert >Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't >confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. From rwenig at telus.net Tue Apr 5 17:13:41 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:13:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040516152c265b7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> <6f60251605040516152c265b7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <425329B5.8050000@telus.net> Hello, A flux made by making a paste using borax and water will work fine for silver soldering if you don't have the proper flux on hand. Rupert Listerdiesel wrote: > On Apr 5, 2005 4:00 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of silver >>soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. >> >>Luke Tonneberger > > > I think Reggie may be away, his mailbox is full according to the > failure messages I am getting back. > > Silver soldering is a lower temperature method of fixing bits together > than brazing but higher temp than soft soldering. I use a standard gas > torch (oxy-acetylene) on a small nozzle and low flame, and keep the > flame moving, don't let it overheat in one spot. > > Cleanliness and a good flux are essential, and a fine gas nozzle so > you can keep the heat local and run the molten solder along a joint. > > It's a bit expensive for large joints, but for small stuff the solder > wicks into joints very nicely. Check what type of fluxes you can get, > and as always you need practice to make perfect. > > Peter From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Apr 6 07:41:18 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:41:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <20050405.234339.1048.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050405.234339.1048.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050406073741.01a89b50@mail.pennswoods.net> Hi Joe check around at your local tire and repair shops. You will find worn out rotors that are smaller and work as good as rims. Also just make a small cut in chain links and weld to up rite then just slide rope in each one.[[just my HO]] R Fink At 08:35 PM 4/5/2005, you wrote: > open allows you to easily slip a small rope in it when it is welded on >the end of >the rod. Keeps you from having to thread the rope thru a bunch of >holes.> > >The Monkey Link sounds like a good idea. >What I did was to make 3/8" re-bar stanchions and weld a 3/4" washer >about 3" from the top. >You can slip a loop through the washer and over the top of the rod and >it's good to go. >If you need to take a section down to let someone drive in or out, just >take the loop over the top >and slip it out of the washer. Presto ! > >For the base I probably would use old tire rims. >They're redily available in the local woods - FREE !!! > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:42:47 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:42:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder References: Message-ID: <014601c53a9d$c1662320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Dont try using that stuff for copper pipe either! Failure will be imminent! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder > Thanks alot Rupert. I will report on how it comes out. I have the oxy > torch set so heat won't be problem. As long as it holds I'll be happy. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================== > >>From: Rupert Wenig >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder >>Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 >> >>Hello Luke, >> I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large >> enough to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch will >> work for very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet or an >> acetylene turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I could be >> wrong but I don't think straight propane will do the job. You also should >> have tinted goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles are fine. >> Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. >> The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and >> flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the >> parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the joint >> to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to flow. >> Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot enough when >> it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to use the heat >> to draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little bit off the >> solder wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with some scrap to >> get familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar to remove any >> excess flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of flux on all >> sides of the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your joint. The >> solder should have flowed right through the joint in a nice even thin >> layer if everything is right. It may take a few tries to get it right. An >> other point- don't overheat the joint as overheating will cause an oxide >> to form in the joint and prevent solder adhesion. >> >> Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. >> I bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a >> few years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a >> piece of ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the >> parts in the clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts >> together. The rest of the procedure is the same as above. >> >> Try this and let us know how you make out. >>Rupert >>Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't >>confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 6 04:51:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <2117.165.206.180.102.1112788262.squirrel@antique-engines.com> So what happened and what'd ya git? Bill > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:58:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:58:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder References: <014601c53a9d$c1662320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <000f01c53a9f$fcc3f940$b9d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Another aspect of silver soldering as in the jewellery trade ....hard and easy ,these have different melting points and are great if you are doing a job ..soldering on soldering . ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder > Dont try using that stuff for copper pipe either! > Failure will be imminent! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder > > >> Thanks alot Rupert. I will report on how it comes out. I have the oxy >> torch set so heat won't be problem. As long as it holds I'll be happy. >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> =================== >> >>>From: Rupert Wenig >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder >>>Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 >>> >>>Hello Luke, >>> I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large >>> enough to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch >>> will work for very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet >>> or an acetylene turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I >>> could be wrong but I don't think straight propane will do the job. You >>> also should have tinted goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles >>> are fine. >>> Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. >>> The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and >>> flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the >>> parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the >>> joint to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to >>> flow. Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot >>> enough when it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to >>> use the heat to draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little >>> bit off the solder wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with >>> some scrap to get familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar >>> to remove any excess flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of >>> flux on all sides of the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your >>> joint. The solder should have flowed right through the joint in a nice >>> even thin layer if everything is right. It may take a few tries to get >>> it right. An other point- don't overheat the joint as overheating will >>> cause an oxide to form in the joint and prevent solder adhesion. >>> >>> Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. >>> I bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a >>> few years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a >>> piece of ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the >>> parts in the clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts >>> together. The rest of the procedure is the same as above. >>> >>> Try this and let us know how you make out. >>>Rupert >>>Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't >>>confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Tue Apr 5 12:22:18 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:22:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <200504051922.j35JMG6d014143@pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com> http://www.eastwood.com/ Check the folks above out---they make about every finish known to car restorers. Gene Waugh -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. I want that original galvanized "look" back. What can be done, if anything? Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. Bill _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 6 05:48:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <200504051922.j35JMG6d014143@pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <200504051922.j35JMG6d014143@pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <2302.165.206.180.102.1112791728.squirrel@antique-engines.com> A related question - was the Associated tank - the one with the name stamped in the top, just a galvanized finish, or was it painted? Bill > > http://www.eastwood.com/ > > Check the folks above out---they make about every finish known to car > restorers. > > Gene Waugh > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:35 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... > > Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the > years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted > again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish > isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. > I want that original galvanized "look" back. > What can be done, if anything? > > Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 6 05:59:17 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:59:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: John, on your rig take a test light and see which pins are hot (with your lights on.) Is it correct? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled > out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. > Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the > brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. > But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 6 06:03:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:03:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings References: <42539480.90101@fidnet.com> Message-ID: Thanks all!! RickinMt. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Apr 6 06:03:49 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:03:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4253DE35.7020209@steamengine.com.au> Sounds good - one thing I was always amazed at with Portland was how many tractors there were and just how few were moving! Paul Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Just received the Newsletter for Portland. Looks like some pretty big > changes for the engine area this year. The engine area to the East of > the log cabin and by the horse barns will now be tractors. Saw mill and > threshing will also be in that area. That portion of the engine area > will now be out in the tractor area to the North of the big engines or > to the West of the consignment sale barn. Part of the new land acquired > to the East will have an area for the tractors to plow. I see why they > moved the tractors, can't have them driving through the crowds. Will be > interesting to see how many tractors will actually be operated. Will > also be interesting to see what others think and how it works out. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 5/04/2005 From b2 at chooka.net Wed Apr 6 07:15:33 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:15:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003101c53ab3$18b74c70$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Curt, is Ted Brookover your man? His page inventories ignitors for identification and it seems he was the guy making reproductions, too. He's in Kansas City. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/index.htm B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed > My puter hard drive crashed last month and lost the name/address for the > guy > that makes ignitors,etc. for Titan and other IHC engines. Believe he is > from > Ohio or Indiana. He had a website with good pics of his parts available > too. > thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gwaugh at wowway.com Tue Apr 5 12:18:33 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:18:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <200504051742.j35Hg60N020427@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200504051922.j35JMgGk006994@pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com> I am NOT an electrical pro, but especially with low voltage, common grounds, etc., I have learned one thing: CHECK THE GROUND. RUN A SPECIFIC/SEPARATE GROUND. All kinds of crazy things can come to pass!!! Yeah, I know, this is another off-topic, me-too post, but the topic is sorta on topic, and the emphasis is worth the repetition!. IMHO Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:42 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > figured all the grounds & other connections were clean & tight, Not necessarily so, John. Check your ground. If it looks good, make it better. If you have to test it by clamping a jumper cable to your bumber and the trailer, do it. I suspect the ground is not perfect, and you've got voltages back feeding through filaments and doing all kinds of crazy things. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:18:10 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:18:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Big engines at night Message-ID: <200504061444.j36EibKl027746@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> On my way home from Wagga on Sunday night I spied these three big engines resting in the darkness: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/05040310.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/05040311.JPG One is American the other two are Australian. They make nice lawn ornaments ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 6 08:45:22 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:45:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <003101c53ab3$18b74c70$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <000801c53abf$a55b0f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Bill, Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill health I don't think he is any longer. Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check with him. Also check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > Curt, is Ted Brookover your man? His page inventories ignitors for > identification and it seems he was the guy making reproductions, too. He's > in Kansas City. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/index.htm > > B? > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:05 AM > Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed > > > > My puter hard drive crashed last month and lost the name/address for the > > guy > > that makes ignitors,etc. for Titan and other IHC engines. Believe he is > > from > > Ohio or Indiana. He had a website with good pics of his parts available > > too. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/05 > > From rustyiron at bigpond.com Wed Apr 6 14:31:55 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 05:31:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi John, With all the trailers I've wired up, I always solder each joint and use an earth wire. Don't use the trailer as a commond earth, I think this is called a "Double Poled" system, an old Pommie system. I'm not to sure on electric brakes, I know there is the wire from the control box, where you control how much pressure is applied to the trailer brakes, but how is this system earthed at the brake drum? As you are a Shooter I have to tell you, last night I had my first shot with a 50cal, what a blast. We have a few of the boys over before they go to play in the sand, and asked if I'd like to have a go, like a rat up a drain pipe, I was in that turret shooting the guts out of an old Holden at 700 yards. I've still got a grin from ear to ear 24hrs after the fact. Andy.... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 6 08:12:20 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:12:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland Message-ID: Luke, In looking at the picture I see there is also an "ale area"! ;-) George Ps..... Yes, I know it really is a "sale area", but the "s" blends in with the light background and all you see is ale area. > -----Original Message----- > > See this picture for reference: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 6 08:23:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:23:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > What I did was to make 3/8" re-bar stanchions and weld a 3/4" > washer about 3" from the top. > You can slip a loop through the washer and over the top of > the rod and it's good to go. > If you need to take a section down to let someone drive in or > out, just take the loop over the top and slip it out of the > washer. Presto ! > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Joe, That sounds like a good system for the top rope. A lot of shows or clubs require that two ropes be used. Don't think your washer would work well for the lower rope. I'm guessing that you only use a single rope for your display. George From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 08:30:49 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:30:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com> <008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <425400A9.40307@fidnet.com> Reg, let me know how the begging bowl routine works out for you as I need to upgrade as well. Gary R & M Ingold wrote: > Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > >> Glad you're back Reg. >> >> Gary >> >> R & M Ingold wrote: >> >>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete >>> new one. >>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>> >>> Reg. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 6 09:17:56 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:17:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland References: Message-ID: <005301c53ac4$32c4b380$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland > Luke, > In looking at the picture I see there is also an "ale area"! ;-) > George > Ps..... Yes, I know it really is a "sale area", but the "s" blends in > with the light background and all you see is ale area. Hi George, I thought for a second that civilization had reached the USA! I suspect that the fact that all English engine shows have a Beer tent help Arnie to keep returning. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 6 09:56:35 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:56:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20050406165635.93431.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Good to see you back again Reg. Looking forward to more pearls of wisdom. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 11:40:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:40:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2005 10:31 PM, Andy wrote: > Don't use the trailer as a commond earth, I think this is > called a "Double Poled" system, an old Pommie system. "Insulated earth return" is used almost exclusively on road tankers over here, although there is a slow movement towards wider acceptance on trucks generally. We run an earth conductor separately, most 7-core trailer wire has a larger earth core than the rest, but otherwise the standard one has to do. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 6 12:11:48 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:11:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><003101c53ab3$18b74c70$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> <000801c53abf$a55b0f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <007001c53adc$800eb1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Charlie, I think Don Oberholtzer is the man Curt is looking for. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > Bill, > > Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill health I > don't think he is any longer. > Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check > with > him. Also > check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. > > Charlie > > > ----- From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 6 13:49:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:49:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050406.165327.916.1.jlb94@juno.com> In a message dated 4/6/2005 12:15:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << For the base I probably would use old tire rims. They're redily available in the local woods - FREE !! >> The folks using the "portable" fences with coffee cans filled with cement had a box on their trailer or in back of truck that held the cans from rolling around. Made for easy storage. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 6 14:39:19 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:39:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > Most of the shows I attend only have one rope. > Now that I'm thinking on it, I don't think any shows, here, > have two ropes. > > A lot of them have no ropes or barriers of any kind. > Most guys know how to set up and be courteous about it. > That's why I think all this "rope" - "fences" - "barriers" > talk is unnecessary. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. I agree! We don't need no stinkin ropes! ;-) If people used common sense and kept out of moving machinery and didn't look for someone else to blame when they do something stupid the world would be a much nicer place. However, with the way the world is you've got to have insurance and if you want insurance you've got to attempt to keep people from hurting themselves. All the westcoast shows and EDGETA shows require double ropes on engine exhibits. George From alanwh at iinet.net.au Wed Apr 6 06:23:40 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:23:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: 215770578 Message-ID: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also Alan in Wagga -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM To: List SEL Subject: [SEL] back again After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. The wallet is hurting but......................! Reg. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Wed Apr 6 06:24:28 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:24:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National rally photos Message-ID: <000901c53aab$f6b1e740$b12eadcb@xxxx> Well for all those looking for photos, I have finally had computer problem fixed. You will find photos under webshots. regards Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 16:30:42 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:30:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com><008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <425400A9.40307@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <00a201c53b00$a6a16140$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Two buttons and a cig butt so far!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > Reg, let me know how the begging bowl routine works out for you as I > need to upgrade as well. > > Gary > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] back again >> >> >>> Glad you're back Reg. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> R & M Ingold wrote: >>> >>>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete >>>> new one. >>>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>>> >>>> Reg. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>> at a leisurely pace. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 6 17:01:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:01:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050406200036.0d25da08@mail.alltel.net> >"Insulated earth return" is used almost exclusively on road tankers >over here, although there is a slow movement towards wider acceptance >on trucks generally. >We run an earth conductor separately, most 7-core trailer wire has a >larger earth core than the rest, but otherwise the standard one has to >do. >Peter Damn Peter, You have no idea how glad I am to know what you do in the UK! Dave From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Apr 6 17:06:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:06:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National rally photos References: <000901c53aab$f6b1e740$b12eadcb@xxxx> Message-ID: <00b801c53b05$9a0a03b0$b53354d2@Cam> Nice job on your Photo's Jim, very interesting Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bethell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: [SEL] National rally photos Well for all those looking for photos, I have finally had computer problem fixed. You will find photos under webshots. regards Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Apr 6 17:40:48 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:40:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> <001601c53a99$61390020$b9d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <009c01c53b0a$71894360$210110ac@service> Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his is on the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it was hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines with breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel filler. Thanks again, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I am > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at his > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron > filings as Arnie suggests! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > Hi Chester, > > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I think > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, > >> thanks. > >> Chester from West Aussie. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jhcullom at adelphia.net Wed Apr 6 17:50:08 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:50:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <018b01c53b0b$bf658e30$6401a8c0@office> I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... Thanks again guys, John From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 18:21:56 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:21:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <019801c53b11$e8787b60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <> Ha! Wont be long now before the wire mesh fences invade you too! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 6 19:29:14 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:29:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi SEL, I got the Monitor running today that I picked up at Portland last year. It has gone through a complete overhaul and rebuild and now looks presentable. I lost track of where the needle valve was set and find that the it has to be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny amount of turn from over rich to over lean. I wonder if this is a case of one size fits all. Barely open for a small engine and much father for a bigger engine. Anybody have any feelings on this? PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole does not appear to have been enlarged. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 6 20:09:27 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:09:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD (Salt Block/Shoe Box) Status Update Message-ID: <60.52ed9ad1.2f85fe67@aol.com> Hi List, Today we had fire. Yes, I got one of the Fairbanks Morse ZD running. It was sweet music to my ears after all the time this engine has been idle. Thanks to the information that various list members sent me, I was able to time the engine without any major problems. When I first received some of the data, it didn't make sense at the time. After getting into guts of the engine, every thing started to come together. Most of the replacement parts came from "Hit & Miss". They were very prompt in getting the parts to me. I was able to use my newly refurbished valve grinder to reface the valves. The seats were OK and just required some lapping. Adjusting the valve gap required removal of the camshaft several times as I made changes to the adjusting shims. Making the fuel line was an experience. Bending the copper tubing into the right shape took a little time. I finally ended up by soldering a brass fitting on to the small gas cap and I used an o-ring instead of a brass compression ferrule. With this set up, I was to adjust the length of the fuel line going into the gas tank and it also allows the easy removal of the fuel line. The hopper was full of "junk". The head was removed in order to fully clean the water passages. The drain plug on the head was replaced. To remove plug, the heat wrench had to be used. Before firing the engine (with the crankcase cover removed), I turned the engine over with an electic motor to ensure that every thing was reinstalled correctly and functionally operating. Again thanks to the entire list for the good information (including OT) that is shared with all. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From jbcast at charter.net Wed Apr 6 20:12:33 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 3:12:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: <3rb42s$riq6pq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > I lost track of where the needle valve was set and find that the it has to > be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny amount of turn from over rich to > over lean. I wonder if this is a case of one size fits all. Barely open > for a small engine and much father for a bigger engine. Anybody have any > feelings on this? > Jim, usually a small engine with a big carb needs to be richened, the air is moving through to slow to pull fuel. J.B. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Apr 6 20:15:34 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:15:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine Message-ID: <410-2200544731534968@earthlink.net> Chester, I went and had a look at my 4 1/2 upright today and there is no gas breather pipe on it. I have had it down to bare metal and would have remembered one if there was one. My 2 1/2 upright does have one though. I have just finished up the painting on the 4 1/2 so I don't know how well it will work without a breather hole yet, might have to make one. Tim Christoff > [Original Message] > From: SERVICE > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/7/2005 11:39:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his is on > the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it was > hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines with > breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel filler. > Thanks again, > Chester. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I > am > > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at > his > > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron > > filings as Arnie suggests! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > > > > Hi Chester, > > > > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to > > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I > think > > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with > > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to > > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > > > > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this > and > > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am > > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the > > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on > > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, > > >> thanks. > > >> Chester from West Aussie. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 20:20:33 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:20:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <00a201c53b00$a6a16140$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com><008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <425400A9.40307@fidnet.com> <00a201c53b00$a6a16140$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <4254A701.7060402@fidnet.com> Ouch! R & M Ingold wrote: > Two buttons and a cig butt so far!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > >> Reg, let me know how the begging bowl routine works out for you as I >> need to upgrade as well. >> >> Gary >> >> R & M Ingold wrote: >> >>> Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] back again >>> >>> >>>> Glad you're back Reg. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> R & M Ingold wrote: >>>> >>>>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete >>>>> new one. >>>>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>>>> >>>>> Reg. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I >>>> move at a leisurely pace. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Apr 6 20:49:13 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:49:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <410-2200544731534968@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f501c53b24$c391f070$210110ac@service> Hi Tim, from what iv been told the breather is a small hole only, no pipe or fitting, about 1/8 diameter, thanks for looking. Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Chester, I went and had a look at my 4 1/2 upright today and there is no > gas breather pipe on it. I have had it down to bare metal and would have > remembered one if there was one. My 2 1/2 upright does have one though. I > have just finished up the painting on the 4 1/2 so I don't know how well it > will work without a breather hole yet, might have to make one. > > Tim Christoff > > > > [Original Message] > > From: SERVICE > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 4/7/2005 11:39:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his is > on > > the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it > was > > hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines > with > > breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel > filler. > > Thanks again, > > Chester. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > > > > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I > > am > > > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at > > his > > > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron > > > filings as Arnie suggests! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chester, > > > > > > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as > to > > > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > > > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I > > think > > > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it > with > > > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work > to > > > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > > > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > > > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this > > and > > > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > > > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i > am > > > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on > the > > > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending > on > > > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any > comments, > > > >> thanks. > > > >> Chester from West Aussie. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 6 20:50:09 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:50:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050407.001436.1292.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, Okay - Coffee cans - plastic buckets - wheel rims - 2x4's in an "X" - I guess you gotta do what you gotta do ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 6 20:57:07 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:57:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] back again Message-ID: <20050407.001436.1292.4.jlb94@juno.com> Two buttons and a cig butt so far!! Reg & Marg Ingold. = = = = = Cheap at twice the price. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 6 21:34:27 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:34:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: <20050406.213427.1440.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Congratulations Jim. Pictures, we need pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:29:14 -0700 "Jim and Diane" writes: > Hi SEL, > > I got the Monitor running today that I picked up at Portland last > year. It > has gone through a complete overhaul and rebuild and now looks > presentable. > I lost track of where the needle valve was set and find that the it > has to > be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny amount of turn from over > rich to > over lean. I wonder if this is a case of one size fits all. Barely > open > for a small engine and much father for a bigger engine. Anybody > have any > feelings on this? > > PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole > does not > appear to have been enlarged. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 7 01:22:14 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:22:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050407082156.EZYQ1294.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@bwmam11.bigpond.com> Welcome back to the list Alan. You have been a long time away. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also Alan in Wagga From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Apr 7 01:34:09 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:34:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin> welcome back Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] back again > After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > > Alan in Wagga > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM > To: List SEL > Subject: [SEL] back again > > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Apr 7 02:10:19 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:10:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <008101c53b51$9ed0f010$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day Alan Welcome back after several years absence, a lot of name have changed but you will still recognise many. In some ways its like watching Days of Your Lives miss it for years and come back to the same plot 8-)) Kerry > After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > PS. Thanks again for arranging the Wagga Club visit for Curt and Missy, we all enjoyed it totally. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 6/04/2005 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Apr 7 03:37:52 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:37:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <009701c53b5d$dac04c40$ba3354d2@Cam> Gaday Brock where ya been. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > welcome back Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] back again > > >> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also >> >> Alan in Wagga >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M >> Ingold >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM >> To: List SEL >> Subject: [SEL] back again >> >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Apr 7 03:38:50 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:38:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with an IHC tag on it? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Apr 7 03:45:06 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:45:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed Message-ID: <040720051045.8091.42550F320009524B00001F9B21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Paul, Don is the fellow Iam looking for and have made contact with him. Curt Andree > Charlie, I think Don Oberholtzer is the man Curt is looking for. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Bryant" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > > > > Bill, > > > > Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill health I > > don't think he is any longer. > > Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check > > with > > him. Also > > check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. > > > > Charlie > > > > > > ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 7 04:01:37 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:01:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: 219840496 Message-ID: <200504071101.j37B1c2c030424@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Kerry and Brock Yes have noticed a few familiar names coming up Glad that Terry was able to show u around the shed. We had a good rally for the first time last weekend all went of very well but for the dust storm only a few shelters torn and a lot of mud on engines from the dust and rain. Still most were happy also had a excellent meal in the hall on the grounds on Saturday night, a real fun night Alan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] back again G'Day Alan Welcome back after several years absence, a lot of name have changed but you will still recognise many. In some ways its like watching Days of Your Lives miss it for years and come back to the same plot 8-)) Kerry > After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > PS. Thanks again for arranging the Wagga Club visit for Curt and Missy, we all enjoyed it totally. From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Apr 7 04:03:47 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:03:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin> <009701c53b5d$dac04c40$ba3354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <003801c53b61$7a3f1c30$5f11fea9@merlin> working in wagga for the last week & half or so ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > Gaday Brock where ya been. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > >> welcome back Alan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] back again >> >> >>> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also >>> >>> Alan in Wagga >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M >>> Ingold >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM >>> To: List SEL >>> Subject: [SEL] back again >>> >>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >>> one. >>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>> >>> Reg. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 7 04:07:23 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040720051045.8091.42550F320009524B00001F9B21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006501c53b61$fc3cd9c0$230110ac@PAUL> I figure he was Curt as he was the one at Portland that had your IHC part you were looking for and I could never get you on the telephone, a storm or something had knocked out your telephones. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > Thanks Paul, Don is the fellow Iam looking for and have made contact with > him. > Curt Andree > > >> Charlie, I think Don Oberholtzer is the man Curt is looking for. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles R Bryant" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed >> >> >> > Bill, >> > >> > Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill >> > health I >> > don't think he is any longer. >> > Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check >> > with >> > him. Also >> > check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. >> > >> > Charlie >> > >> > >> > ----- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Apr 7 04:34:12 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:34:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National rally photos In-Reply-To: <000901c53aab$f6b1e740$b12eadcb@xxxx> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050407213245.00b22870@mail.ncable.com.au> Hey well done Jimbo Nice lot of iron there. The green petter on page 4, is that the same as mine?? What hp was it and was it marked a handyman or an Anglo?? Russell At 11:24 PM 6/04/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Well for all those looking for photos, I have finally had computer problem >fixed. You will find photos under webshots. >regards >Jim Bethell >Gateway to the Outback >http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 7 05:58:49 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:58:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: Message-ID: <000c01c53b71$8ed76070$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Mike, Osborne was one of the companies IHC bought, so the Osborne dealers sold the Famous engines as "Osborne" engines. They were that dark blue in color. I would say if you have an original Osborne engine with the tags it could be worth a few thousends more. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone > who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built > around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except > painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between > Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention > anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the > connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did > Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's > an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with > an IHC tag on it? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 7 05:05:25 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:05:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Monitor References: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <008c01c53b6a$1582e840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole does not > appear to have been enlarged. What JB said , I machine the threads off a 3/8 X 18 npt brass reducer bushing and make the OD a press fit and tap it into the hole to reduce the venturi up up the velocette . They will tune down a little easier , when run slower . Grab it with pliers and twist it out - bam- original high speed mixer ! Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 7 05:08:30 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:08:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eye candy Message-ID: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> great depression era thinking http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Guilder1.jpg new hit n miss in crate http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/2cylSteam2.jpg a brand new knuckle http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KnuckleHD2.JPG which is more complicated i wonder , a knuckle or a mery ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 7 06:41:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:41:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <000c01c53b71$8ed76070$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Mike go here and type in Osborne in the search.: http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/index.asp Neat Stuff! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hi Mike, > Osborne was one of the companies IHC bought, so the Osborne > dealers sold the Famous engines as "Osborne" engines. They were > that dark blue in color. I would say if you have an original Osborne > engine with the tags it could be worth a few thousends more. > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone > > who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built > > around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except > > painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between > > Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention > > anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the > > connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did > > Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's > > an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with > > an IHC tag on it? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Mike > > -- > > ____________________ > > Michael Tucker > > Midway, Kentucky, USA > > mtucker at uky.edu > > ____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 7 07:07:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:07:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eye candy In-Reply-To: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <462a2e566d70911a2942cffee078d170@chartertn.net> Great stuff, Chuck! John On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:08 AM, wrote: > great depression era thinking > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Guilder1.jpg > > new hit n miss in crate > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/2cylSteam2.jpg > > a brand new knuckle > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KnuckleHD2.JPG > > which is more complicated i wonder , a knuckle or a mery ? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 07:33:07 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:33:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > < ropes on engine > exhibits>> > > Ha! Wont be long now before the wire mesh fences invade you too! > Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg, The day that happens will be the day I most likely stop exhibiting engines. I got into this hobby because I like mechanical things and have always tinkered with engines and other mechanical things. I can keep my toys at home and have plenty of fun and I have plenty of friends with engines that I can go visit. I'm not in the hobby for the engine shows, so not exhibiting isn't a problem for me. George From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 7 10:35:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:35:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Monitor In-Reply-To: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <42556F68.80104@imc-group.com> Jim, Congratulations on the completion of your Baker Monitor! Maybe I need to send you Devin's so it will actually get done! Running Devin's I noticed exactly what you have observed concering the sensitivity of the needle valve. His needed a new needle valve anyway, so when I made it I halved the taper. In otherwords it was much less stubby. This should allow a finer adjustment. Here is the link of the drawing I made of the needle valve. I made this drawing a year or more ago and can't recall if this documents the original needle valve or the way I actually made it. You can compare it to the one you have and see. Maybe you can experiment with an even narrower taper to allow an even finer adjustment. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Needlevalve.bmp Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim and Diane wrote: > Hi SEL, > > I got the Monitor running today that I picked up at Portland last > year. It has gone through a complete overhaul and rebuild and now > looks presentable. I lost track of where the needle valve was set and > find that the it has to be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny > amount of turn from over rich to over lean. I wonder if this is a > case of one size fits all. Barely open for a small engine and much > father for a bigger engine. Anybody have any feelings on this? > > PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole > does not appear to have been enlarged. > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 11:56:34 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:56:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Private shows Message-ID: I received the following in an "offlist" message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- That's the beauty of having a bunch of autonomous clubs, rather than one national organization. If one group pisses you off, you can go to another. WAPA safety rules require one rope, but a couple years ago I suggested two, so that's what we do when it's feasible. I think that's the best way to go. There's only one show where I don't use ropes, but it's a private show in a guy's yard and the public is not invited. I suppose if all the clubs piss you off, you can make a WAIT club. Betcha all you'd have to do is give a couple months notice and folks would come from all over to attend your show! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public is welcome. What do you think about private shows? I've got several comments on this, but will wait to see if anyone is interested in this topic. George PS - Rob, I'm not mad at any of the clubs. Most of us are in the hobby because it is something we enjoy doing. If things change so you no longer enjoy a certain aspect of the hobby, there are plenty of other options available without getting mad. PSS - No WAIT club. I got out of EDGETA politics and have no interest in getting involved in club operations and politics. Besides I really don't have the time even if I wanted to. PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the room to put on a private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. However, not likely to happen. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Apr 7 12:29:55 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:29:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: Message-ID: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> Mike, I don't know the exact story about the Osborne engine, and I'm sure John Hammink know MUCH more about it. I think they were some manufactor of agricultural machinery and they were a IHC dealers. I have a 4hp vertical IHC Nonpareil, and I think it might be an Osborne too. http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/nonpareil.htm There were some traces of dark blue paint on the engine block under the bearings. As you can see in the photo's there is very little paint left;-) There are some very nice old pictures on your link Rick!! thanks Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hello all, > > In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone > who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built > around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except > painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between > Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention > anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the > connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did > Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's > an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with > an IHC tag on it? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 7 12:32:41 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42558AD9.9040402@scrtc.com> George, I think there is a place for "engine folks only" get togethers. I don't know that they should become more predominant that the general open to the public events however. Sharing the interest of the old iron goes beyond just those that collect it. At our local show we have several people that come each year just to watch them run, pump water, generate electricity, etc. They don't own engines and aren't interested in owning the. But, they sure like to see them once or twice a year. Some bring the grand kids (and great grand kids) to show them how things used to be. If it ever came to the point that we were to limit gatherings to only those who collect the old iron, a great bit of history (along with the creation of future engine enthusiasts) will be lost. I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. Perhaps the eagerness to litigate would not be as strong however. Just my 2 cents. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > I received the following in an "offlist" message: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >----- >That's the beauty of having a bunch of autonomous clubs, rather than one >national organization. If one group pisses you off, you can go to >another. > >WAPA safety rules require one rope, but a couple years ago I suggested >two, so that's what we do when it's feasible. I think that's the best >way to go. >There's only one show where I don't use ropes, but it's a private show >in a guy's yard and the public is not invited. > >I suppose if all the clubs piss you off, you can make a WAIT club. >Betcha all you'd have to do is give a couple months notice and folks >would come from all over to attend your show! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------ > >I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will >be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and >lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public >is welcome. > >What do you think about private shows? > >I've got several comments on this, but will wait to see if anyone is >interested in this topic. > >George > >PS - Rob, I'm not mad at any of the clubs. Most of us are in the hobby >because it is something we enjoy doing. If things change so you no >longer enjoy a certain aspect of the hobby, there are plenty of other >options available without getting mad. > >PSS - No WAIT club. I got out of EDGETA politics and have no interest >in getting involved in club operations and politics. Besides I really >don't have the time even if I wanted to. > >PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the room to put on a >private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. However, >not likely to happen. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 7 12:41:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I've only been to one "private engine show." It was at Phil & Sheila Laight's place in England. The "reason" for the event was to do a dry run of a newly restored engine before the "public unveiling" at the 1000 Engine Rally. Always nicer to get the bugs worked out among friends; the verbal abuse is so much friendlier. 8-)) Go to... And scroll down to Saturday June 16th... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm It was a really good time with a large number of engine friends in attendance. In fact this "do" had more engines running than some "public shows" that I've attended!! 8-)) I don't think it's a real common practice. However, since one of the main reasons for attending a show is to hook up with friends that you haven't seen in a while and "play engines" I could see private shows happening if public shows become a pain in the ass for exhibitors. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will > be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and > lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public > is welcome. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Apr 7 12:57:30 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:57:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: Message-ID: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> George, You sure could have a great show at your place! I understand that the safety regulations get worse in the US now. We have many shows that have no ropes, and thats fine. However when we are at some of the parking lot shows in town, we bring our own rope (plastic chains) to keep the crowd at a save distance. Sometimes the public in the city's is to stupid to understand that these running engines can cause much damage to a human body....... In my opinion when you are at a good orginized show at a big field, it's enough to have only one rope thats easy to cross for people that are really interested. having no rope at all, makes some people being annoyingly close to moving parts. Of course it's their fold if they get cought by a spinning flywheel or what ever, but I'd hate to see that happen. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Private shows > I received the following in an "offlist" message: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- > That's the beauty of having a bunch of autonomous clubs, rather than one > national organization. If one group pisses you off, you can go to > another. > > WAPA safety rules require one rope, but a couple years ago I suggested > two, so that's what we do when it's feasible. I think that's the best > way to go. > There's only one show where I don't use ropes, but it's a private show > in a guy's yard and the public is not invited. > > I suppose if all the clubs piss you off, you can make a WAIT club. > Betcha all you'd have to do is give a couple months notice and folks > would come from all over to attend your show! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will > be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and > lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public > is welcome. > > What do you think about private shows? > > I've got several comments on this, but will wait to see if anyone is > interested in this topic. > > George > > PS - Rob, I'm not mad at any of the clubs. Most of us are in the hobby > because it is something we enjoy doing. If things change so you no > longer enjoy a certain aspect of the hobby, there are plenty of other > options available without getting mad. > > PSS - No WAIT club. I got out of EDGETA politics and have no interest > in getting involved in club operations and politics. Besides I really > don't have the time even if I wanted to. > > PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the room to put on a > private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. However, > not likely to happen. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Apr 7 13:09:03 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:09:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied to my Famous/Osborne questions. You learn something every day! I'll chew on this a little and decide if I want to buy this critter. Thanks again, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 7 13:35:56 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:35:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504072035.j37KZx2R077158@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got > the room to put on a private one and also have > neighbors that wouldn't complain. September is pretty up in Oregon, ain't it? That works for me. What will Kathy be fixing for all of us hungry enginemen? When you decide on an exact date for the WAIT show, be sure to give us plenty of time to clear our calendars. Rob From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 7 13:42:15 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:42:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Private shows Message-ID: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> In a message dated 4/7/2005 4:06:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. >> There is a new show starting up about an hour away that is being held on county property. They want each demonstrator to sign a form relieving the folks putting on the show and also the county of any and all liability. Not sure what they do about the spectators Anyone else familiar with this tactic? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 7 14:07:47 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:07:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, Are you sure about your Nonpareil engine, sofar I know they came first in 1909. I don't think an Osborn dealer sold engines to Czecho- Slovakia. Here you can see a Czech ad for the IHC Nonpareil engines. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/CzechNonpareil.jpg See you April 30th at your local show, bring my little engine buddy too. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I have a 4hp vertical IHC Nonpareil, and I think it might be an Osborne too. > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/nonpareil.htm > There were some traces of dark blue paint on the engine block under the > bearings. > As you can see in the photo's there is very little paint left;-) > > > Harry Terpstra /mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 14:15:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:15:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Private shows Message-ID: Rob, Good thing Kathy doesn't see these messages!! Although we did get a nice new big BBQ grill from the kids for Christmas this year;-) Couldn't match the Tulare show for quantity of burgers served on Friday night, but I'm sure we could supply enough. Although it is tempting and I'd be willing to do it, it has to be approved by a higher power before doing something like that :-) George Ps - No wise guys forwarding this message to Kathy please. :-) Pss - If you're a WAIT subscriber I'd make sure you got your copy last each month ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:36 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Private shows > > > > PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the > room to put on > > a private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. > > September is pretty up in Oregon, ain't it? That works for > me. What will Kathy be fixing for all of us hungry > enginemen? When you decide on an exact date for the WAIT > show, be sure to give us plenty of time to clear our calendars. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rtbush at charter.net Thu Apr 7 14:33:10 2005 From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:33:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4255A716.2010303@charter.net> We'd have a whole lot of new folks in Washington if they tried that stuff here. Nobody would take these laws seriously, therefore, unenforceable. A good joke though. Bob Bushorr Brimfield, Massachusetts Old truck owner, old tractor owner, old engine owner >Hi Folks, > >I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news >group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. >On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears >that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more >than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos >might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open >folks, it could happen here. > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to > translate as needed. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rtbush at charter.net Thu Apr 7 14:37:28 2005 From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eye candy In-Reply-To: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4255A818.8010607@charter.net> Don't everybody look at once, we may have crashed their website. I get an error saying "Connection refused" kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >great depression era thinking >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Guilder1.jpg > >new hit n miss in crate >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/2cylSteam2.jpg > >a brand new knuckle >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KnuckleHD2.JPG > >which is more complicated i wonder , a knuckle or a mery ? > > > > > >Chuck Balyeat >http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 7 14:43:23 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:43:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> Message-ID: <4255A97B.9020800@fidnet.com> Tom, what this says is that those bringing the exhibits bear all the liability for injury. If the organizors or the county is sued they defend themselves and then pass their defense costs back to you if it was your property/action that injured someone. Whether or not it was due to your careless or faulty equipment. The phrase "machinery in motion" has scared insurors for years. In my first life I was an insurance company casualty/property underwriter, you know, the person that writes the restrictive endorsements that helps the insurance company keep as much of the premium as possible for profit. Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/7/2005 4:06:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > > << I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" > getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries > just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. >> > > > There is a new show starting up about an hour away that is being held on > county property. They want each demonstrator to sign a form relieving the folks > putting on the show and also the county of any and all liability. Not sure what > they do about the spectators Anyone else familiar with this tactic? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 7 14:46:27 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net> >There is a new show starting up about an hour away that is being held on >county property. They want each demonstrator to sign a form relieving the >folks >putting on the show and also the county of any and all liability. Not sure >what >they do about the spectators Anyone else familiar with this tactic? >Tom Schmutz It may make the county people feel good, but legally it's not worth the powder to blow it to hell! Dave From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 14:55:24 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:55:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > Here is the link of the drawing I made of the needle valve. I > made this drawing a year or more ago and can't recall if this > documents the original needle valve or the way I actually > made it. You can compare it to the one you have and see. > Maybe you can experiment with an even narrower taper to allow > an even finer adjustment. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Needlevalve.bmp > Curt Holland Curt, I'm impressed! You're the only guy I know that makes such detailed drawing of engine parts. But then I guess that since you do it as part of your job that you can do it on the computer as quickly as the rest of us could draw it with paper and pencil. Course most people would just chuck it up in the lathe and make a new point without doing any drawings. George From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Apr 7 15:20:30 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:20:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin><009701c53b5d$dac04c40$ba3354d2@Cam> <003801c53b61$7a3f1c30$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <002001c53bc0$0234edf0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thats why your truck hasn't moved from the front of the house. Been wondering why when driving past. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > working in wagga for the last week & half or so > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > > > Gaday Brock where ya been. Cam > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brock Summerfield" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > > > > >> welcome back Alan > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Alan" > >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] back again > >> > >> > >>> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > >>> > >>> Alan in Wagga > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M > >>> Ingold > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM > >>> To: List SEL > >>> Subject: [SEL] back again > >>> > >>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > >>> one. > >>> The wallet is hurting but......................! > >>> > >>> Reg. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Apr 7 15:39:54 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:39:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <00f301c53bc4$147cd000$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Why do you think a lot of the joy has gone for a lot of us here? It sure aint the same these days. Too many power hungry rule makers. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:33 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Parking lot shows > >> <> ropes on engine >> exhibits>> >> >> Ha! Wont be long now before the wire mesh fences invade you too! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Reg, > > The day that happens will be the day I most likely stop exhibiting > engines. > > I got into this hobby because I like mechanical things and have always > tinkered with engines and other mechanical things. I can keep my toys > at home and have plenty of fun and I have plenty of friends with engines > that I can go visit. I'm not in the hobby for the engine shows, so not > exhibiting isn't a problem for me. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 7 16:32:55 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:32:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <42558AD9.9040402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c53bca$21387d70$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Private shows > George, > I think there is a place for "engine folks only" get togethers. I > don't know that they should become more predominant that the general > open to the public events however. Sharing the interest of the old iron > goes beyond just those that collect it. At our local show we have > several people that come each year just to watch them run, pump water, > generate electricity, etc. They don't own engines and aren't interested > in owning the. But, they sure like to see them once or twice a year. > Some bring the grand kids (and great grand kids) to show them how things > used to be. If it ever came to the point that we were to limit > gatherings to only those who collect the old iron, a great bit of > history (along with the creation of future engine enthusiasts) will be > lost. I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" > getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries > just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. Perhaps the > eagerness to litigate would not be as strong however. Just my 2 cents. > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Hi, The best I had as an unexpected show was many years ago when a country pub landlord asked us to put an Engine show on one Sunday in his carpark next to the pub. The weather was bad so no public turned up but we started the engines & took turns looking after them. We spent most of the day talking engines & drinking beer most of the day in the pub & the landlord provided a free lunch as well. A memorable day! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Thu Apr 7 16:56:15 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c><6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> <018b01c53b0b$bf658e30$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <009801c53bcd$62580fc0$05c77040@user> John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. Start saving your change... Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... Thanks again guys, John _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 7 18:42:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:42:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: Howdy all; Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice where the main bearing cap is) http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were needed!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. Looking for new caps for a roundrod And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. RickinMt. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 7 19:00:33 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:00:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504080200.j3820VOj052710@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> OUCH! The question begs, why was it necessary to throw on the belt when the engine has a clutch pulley? The belt could have been put on before the engine was started. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Howdy all; Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice where the main bearing cap is) http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were needed!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. Looking for new caps for a roundrod And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. RickinMt. From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 7 19:04:43 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:04:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: 220671652 Message-ID: <015b01c53bdf$549d7c00$0201010a@Portable> That looks nasty. How did the crank come out of it? Not bent? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Thu Apr 7 19:20:17 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:20:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> For what it's worth; I have a private show every year in April. This year it is April 15-16-17. About ten couples attend and we have a blast. Sat. night is a pitch in supper. My 2 cents, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 7 19:40:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:40:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: <002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net> <002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407223712.0d46ce10@mail.alltel.net> At 10:20 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: >For what it's worth; >I have a private show every year in April. This year it is April 15-16-17. >About ten couples attend and we have a blast. Sat. night is a pitch in supper. >My 2 cents, >Arthur Hi Arthur, I haven't shown my privates for almost two years now. It's HELL getting old! Dave PS, Ten couples? WOW--you DA MAN! From jbcast at charter.net Thu Apr 7 20:05:55 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 3:05:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rr0ks$r426rr@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> I picked up the 4hp Bulldog today, needs work but I should be able to get it going. Rod and piston are missing, pullrod and belcrank-cam follower missing. The governor, carb, fuel pump, and ignitor are there. I'll start with the head, need to free the rocker and valves, fabricate new valves. I'm sure this one will carry over into a winter project. J.B. Castagnos From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 7 23:51:55 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:51:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: Message-ID: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley stripped me naked. Heads up Rick, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 8 00:10:38 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:10:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net><002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407223712.0d46ce10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004601c53c0a$14d685f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> From: "Dave Rotigel" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:40 AM > Hi Arthur, I haven't shown my privates for almost two years now. It's HELL > getting old! > Dave That's a pitty Dave, why not asking Rob Skinner for some old fashion "Elevator Lifting Grease" sure it helps. John H. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 8 02:00:33 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:00:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00df01c53c1a$2b3fb9a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Not too many years back, John Randall was 'bump starting' an engine with a big Lister when this happened. He was in between the two and got 'Bitten' He was a sick puppy for a while. I ALWAYS fit a pulley right up to the spokes, even on a model. It cuts down the chances....! Even though we are sorta familiar with this stuff, it does not give you any second chances. If you treat it with anything less than full thought, it is waiting to bite you! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you > started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the > belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and > had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. > On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case > it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. > Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley > stripped me naked. > > Heads up Rick, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > >> Howdy all; >> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice >> where the main bearing cap is) >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV >> >> and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >> needed!!! >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL >> >> Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. >> >> Looking for new caps for a roundrod >> >> And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. >> >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 8 03:14:16 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:14:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: Message-ID: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Rick, Its never pretty to see old iron in such a terrible state! If you want to send me the broken parts I can cast you a couple of new bearing caps. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 8 04:40:01 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:40:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Piece Message-ID: <42566D91.2000808@wightman.ca> http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/7725 -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 8 03:50:25 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:50:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <410-2200544731534968@earthlink.net> <00f501c53b24$c391f070$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <001201c53c28$c911ea00$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Chester....I had a look at Bob Baileys New way this morning. There is a small breather hole ,about 1/8th diam in the fuel filler plug ,looks like a 1/2BSP plug. I will send you a picture off list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Hi Tim, > from what iv been told the breather is a small hole only, no pipe or > fitting, about 1/8 diameter, thanks for looking. > Chester. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > >> Chester, I went and had a look at my 4 1/2 upright today and there is no >> gas breather pipe on it. I have had it down to bare metal and would have >> remembered one if there was one. My 2 1/2 upright does have one though. > I >> have just finished up the painting on the 4 1/2 so I don't know how well > it >> will work without a breather hole yet, might have to make one. >> >> Tim Christoff >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: SERVICE >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Date: 4/7/2005 11:39:13 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine >> > >> > Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his > is >> on >> > the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it >> was >> > hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines >> with >> > breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel >> filler. >> > Thanks again, >> > Chester. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "peter ogborne" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine >> > >> > >> > > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic >> > > . > I >> > am >> > > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look > at >> > his >> > > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron >> > > filings as Arnie suggests! >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Arnie Fero" >> > > To: "Stationary Engine List" >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Chester, >> > > > >> > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions >> > > > as >> to >> > > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux > technique >> > > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I >> > think >> > > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it >> with >> > > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also >> > > > work >> to >> > > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post >> > > > the >> > > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) >> > > > >> > > > See ya, Arnie >> > > > >> > > > Arnie Fero >> > > > Pittsburgh, PA >> > > > fero_ah at city-net.com >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a >> > > >> 4.5hp >> > > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring > this >> > and >> > > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying > to >> > > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as > i >> am >> > > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on >> the >> > > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side >> > > >> depending >> on >> > > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any >> comments, >> > > >> thanks. >> > > >> Chester from West Aussie. >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > SEL mailing list >> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 8 04:39:36 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:39:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics Message-ID: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> I would appreciate any comments on the following..... I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and i sought comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took these comments and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them to make a personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present at the meeting as i live 400km away and only attend occasional meetings.I could not defend myself and the attacker did not have the intestinal fortitude to advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow club member relayed them to me. It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my comments , i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting and in a letter to our club news letter. So it is nothing new. What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way did not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by any secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have prevailed. What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members ,i gave my thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have been passed to a non list person and used against me in this way at a club meeting. One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not changed. What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact me off list and we will discuss it. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 8 05:16:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:16:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: Rick, Sure glad you didn't get hurt! That is the most important part. Did the piston come into contact with the head? Are any of the teeth busted off of the gears? Did the saw arbor get bent up? I have a 5hp round rod and if you need to borrow any parts to have them made up then let me know. I'll do what I can to help out. That bent rod will probably be hung on the shop wall. I hate to admit it but last year I had my 6hp Novo belted up to a big blower. One time I 'threw' on the belt which was a v-belt. It went over the pulley grooves and ended up between the pulley and flywheel. It caught and started to wind up, luckily the v-belt just snapped. I quick shut down the engine and untangled the v-belt. With the show season just starting up in the US we need to think twice before running our stuff and make sure all is safe. As comfortable as you might be around your engines they can still bite you. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= > >To: "sel" >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM >Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > >> Howdy all; >>Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice >>where the main bearing cap is) >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV >> >>and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >>needed!!! >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL >> >>Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. >> >>Looking for new caps for a roundrod >> >>And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. >> >>RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:17:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:17:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: 220671652 <015b01c53bdf$549d7c00$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: Hi Ray; We'll check the crank today..off hand I'd say it's ok but it had every reason to bend. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > That looks nasty. How did the crank come out of it? Not bent? > > > Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:42 AM > Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > Howdy all; > > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > > (notice > > where the main bearing cap is) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > > needed!!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:22:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:22:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <200504080200.j3820VOj052710@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure Patrick if clutch pulley is the right term. Probably friction pulley would be better. It's a good starter but it still turned hard if belted up. Let's just say it was a stupid, dangerous thing to do. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > OUCH! > The question begs, why was it necessary to throw on the belt when the > engine > has a clutch pulley? The belt could have been put on before the engine was > started. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:33:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:33:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Howdy John; My only excuse is that when belted up. It hand started hard. Corky and I had spent the better part of the afternoon trailering and starting the engines for various friends, some who had helped us with the project. My arms were tired so I took the belt off. Lame excuse and won't happen again!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you > started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the > belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and > had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. > On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case > it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. > Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley > stripped me naked. > > Heads up Rick, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Howdy all; > > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > > (notice > > where the main bearing cap is) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > > needed!!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 8 05:40:38 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:40:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks Message-ID: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor works, Port Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore of 3 3/4" and stroke of 6" and would have had a 5 stud head if it was attached!! All workings are internal but he has been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very unusual. Can anyone help with info on these engines? regards Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:38:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:38:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00df01c53c1a$2b3fb9a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: The belt wound up between the pulley and the handwheels. If the handwheels hadn't been there, it might have been more forgiving. And that belt was tight when she stopped. That's a good belt!!! Take Care Reg, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Not too many years back, John Randall was 'bump starting' an engine with a > big Lister when this happened. > He was in between the two and got 'Bitten' > He was a sick puppy for a while. > I ALWAYS fit a pulley right up to the spokes, even on a model. It cuts > down > the chances....! > > Even though we are sorta familiar with this stuff, it does not give you > any > second chances. > If you treat it with anything less than full thought, it is waiting to > bite > you! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you > > started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the > > belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and > > had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. > > On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case > > it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. > > Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley > > stripped me naked. > > > > Heads up Rick, > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > >> Howdy all; > >> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > >> (notice > >> where the main bearing cap is) > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > >> > >> and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > >> needed!!! > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > >> > >> Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > >> > >> Looking for new caps for a roundrod > >> > >> And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > >> > >> RickinMt. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:41:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:41:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: You Da Man Rick!!! I believe I can put the pieces together and secure them with screws or ? And send them to the address below unless otherwise directed. I'll do that ASAP. Thanks pard Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick, > > Its never pretty to see old iron in such a terrible state! > > If you want to send me the broken parts I can cast you a couple of new > bearing caps. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > Struthers, OH 44471 > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > 330-728-2799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > Howdy all; > > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > > (notice > > where the main bearing cap is) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > > needed!!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 06:00:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:00:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f60251605040806007ef7b06f@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 8, 2005 12:39 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > Peter Ogborne Is it not possible for the person mentioned to be on the list? He may not post here, but nor do a LOT of the 300 or so members that we know are on the list. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 06:00:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:00:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: Message-ID: Thanks MUCH, Luke!! I don't believe the piston hit the head, but will check it out along with the condition of the bore. Amazingly the gears seem to be ok. The gov fork is broke and will probably have it welded. Re: the roundrod, we'll try to cold straighten it in a press, if successful we'll have it magnafluxed down at the old work. If unsuccesful, Corky feels he can build a new one. If the arbor shaft is straight, I'll be amazed. It wiped out all the babbitt concerned. That belt was so tight, we had to loosen the arbor bearing assy's. and punch out the bolts. That took us nearly an hour. Appreciate the offer, I think I'll be ok. Well we're supposed to show the engines at the local votech today so better do the three S's and get going Catch ya later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick, > > Sure glad you didn't get hurt! That is the most important part. Did the > piston come into contact with the head? Are any of the teeth busted off > of > the gears? Did the saw arbor get bent up? I have a 5hp round rod and if > you > need to borrow any parts to have them made up then let me know. I'll do > what > I can to help out. That bent rod will probably be hung on the shop wall. > > I hate to admit it but last year I had my 6hp Novo belted up to a big > blower. One time I 'threw' on the belt which was a v-belt. It went over > the > pulley grooves and ended up between the pulley and flywheel. It caught and > started to wind up, luckily the v-belt just snapped. I quick shut down the > engine and untangled the v-belt. > > With the show season just starting up in the US we need to think twice > before running our stuff and make sure all is safe. As comfortable as you > might be around your engines they can still bite you. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================= > > > > >To: "sel" > >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > > >> Howdy all; > >>Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > >>(notice > >>where the main bearing cap is) > >> > >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > >> > >>and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > >>needed!!! > >> > >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > >> > >>Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > >> > >>Looking for new caps for a roundrod > >> > >>And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > >> > >>RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 8 06:05:24 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:05:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks In-Reply-To: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> References: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408090250.0d4a2938@mail.alltel.net> At 08:40 AM 4/8/2005, you wrote: >One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor works, Port >Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore of 3 3/4" and stroke of >6" and would have had a 5 stud head if it was attached!! All workings are >internal but he has been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very >unusual. Can anyone help with info on these engines? >regards >Jim Bethell Wendel notes that the Hardy Motor Works "disappeared from the engine business" after 1902. (p. 219) Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 8 06:07:43 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:07:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Government Intervention - Somewhat Off Topic Message-ID: <4256821F.7020001@scrtc.com> I usually don't post this type info but since there has been some discussion about government intervention into some of our activities (I guess this makes it somewhat On Topic for the SEL) I thought I would post the info below that a friend sent me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY In the year 2005, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in the United States, and said, "Once again, the earth has become wicked and overpopulated, and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans." He gave Noah the blueprints, saying, "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights." Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard -- but no Ark. "Noah!" He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?" "Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed a building permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system. My neighbors claim that I've violated the neighborhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision. Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it. Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls -- but no go! When I started gathering the animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space. Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on Your proposed flood. I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew. Immigration and Naturalization is checking the green-card status of most of the people who want to work. The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience. To make matters worse, the IRS seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species. So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark." Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean You're not going to destroy the world?" "No," said the Lord. "The government beat me to it." From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Apr 8 08:15:20 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:15:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Ropes At Shows Message-ID: <002b01c53c4d$c7d99140$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Subject: Ropes At Shows At our local show in Missouri we always rope off the engine display area. However this did not keep kids and spectators out. About 10 years ago I was displaying my Humphrey Bone Cutter I had just finished restoring. It was no easy task of finding bones and getting them dried out for cutting. One of the other club members son John kept coming underneath the ropes cutting up my bones. I told him I had just a few left which I wanted to use for demonstration and please not to cut up anymore.. I went away for awhile and when I came back there was John cranking away.. I asked him again politely not to. Well this happened again and I threatened to give him a walloping if he didn't stop. Well he didn't stop. I was so mad I turned him over on my knee and laid on a few good ones. He went howling down the aisle to where his folks were set up. A few minutes later I looked up and there was his Mother coming. coming down the aisle. I said o'boy I'm going to catch it now. She come over to my spot and said the hamburgers, hot dogs and brats are ready you had better come get some before John eats them all. After the way I saw John putting down them hot dogs and brats I said boy he is going to grow up to be a strapping young man. Then I remembered an experience my father always told me about and I thought maybe I shouldn't of spanked him after all. The story my father told ,we lived on a farm in the 20's and 30's),and my father had a team of horses. One day he was getting them harnessed up and Max, the neighbors 8 or 10 year old boy came up. He kept jumping around scarring the horses while my father was trying harness them and my father asked him repeatedly to stop or he would wallop him. Well Max didn't stop and my father ,a medium size man, turned him over on his knee and gave him several good ones. Max with tears in his eyes said "when I grow up I am going to give you a spanking". One day about 10 years later in drives Max in his Model A . He had grown to a strapping young lad of over 200 pounds. Saying nothing he got out of his car and grabbed my father, turned him over on his knee and laid on some good ones. When he was done my Father asked him what he did that for. Max said you remember that time when I was a boy you spanked me for jumping the horses when you was trying to harness them and I told you when I grew up I was going to give you a spanking. Well I've grown up and this is the spanking I said I was going to give you. Well John grew up to but we always remained the best of friends and I never did get a spanking from him. Two things, one ropes are not going to keep all the spectators out and two if you ever spank a kid just remember that kid some day may grow up bigger than you.. Just a foot note. Max was killed in World War 2 on "D" Day during the invasion. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 7 19:39:58 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:39:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050407.223958.1008.3.jlb94@juno.com> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. = = = = Rich, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ??? Thank GOD you didn't get hurt. But I HAVE to ask - Why is that "V" belt pulley on there ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 8 07:27:18 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:27:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050408.102718.560.3.jlb94@juno.com> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. = = = = Rich, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ??? Why is that "V" belt pulley on there ? Thank GOD you didn't get hurt. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 07:54:16 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:54:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics Message-ID: > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > > I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular > those adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and > i sought comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone > on the list took these comments and gave them to a non > subscriber who in turn used them to make a personal attack on > me at a club meeting. > Peter Ogborne Peter, One of the problems with posting views and opinions on the internet is that nothing you post is private. What you post may be used against you by someone with opposing views or by someone that just feels the need to cause you some grief for your postings. If you think some of my postings are bad or controversial, you ought to see the ones I write then delete without sending ;-) Basically, if you write something, be prepared to accept that others may not agree and be willing to defend what you wrote if challenged. George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 8 08:02:16 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:02:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks In-Reply-To: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> Message-ID: <200504081502.j38F2K93036995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bethell [mailto:bethell1 at iinet.net.au] > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:41 AM > > One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor > works, Port Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore > of 3 3/4" and stroke of 6" and would have had a 5 stud head > if it was attached!! All workings are internal but he has > been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very unusual. > Can anyone help with info on these engines? > regards > Jim Bethell Hi Jim, You should contact Cliff Northcote He told me that there are only three Hardys remaining and his is the only engine that runs. Is your mate's Hardy one of the three, or could there be four engines? You can see a picture of Cliff's engine by visiting the following web page and clicking on the ninth link on the left: http://rustyiron.com/engines/santee04 =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 08:24:51 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:24:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > Sure glad you didn't get hurt! That is the most important > part. Did the piston come into contact with the head? Are > any of the teeth busted off of the gears? Did the saw arbor > get bent up? I have a 5hp round rod and if you need to borrow > any parts to have them made up then let me know. > > Luke Tonneberger Rick, As you know since we've exchanged pictures, I also have a 5hp round rod Galloway. Serial number 10085. If for some reason you don't use Luke's bearing caps, you can borrow mine. I'd ship them direct to Rick Rowlands to get the duplicates cast. No point in using broken parts as a pattern when you've got people offering good ones. George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 08:40:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:40:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL ethics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050408084041ded680@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:54:16 -0500, "Best, George" wrote: > > > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > > > > I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular > > those adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and > > i sought comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone > > on the list took these comments and gave them to a non > > subscriber who in turn used them to make a personal attack on > > me at a club meeting. > > Peter Ogborne > > Peter, > > One of the problems with posting views and opinions on the internet is > that nothing you post is private. What you post may be used against you > by someone with opposing views or by someone that just feels the need to > cause you some grief for your postings. > > If you think some of my postings are bad or controversial, you ought to > see the ones I write then delete without sending ;-) > > Basically, if you write something, be prepared to accept that others may > not agree and be willing to defend what you wrote if challenged. > > George Yes, I would agree with George there, the search engines are very good at finding and storing old messages and compilations, such that I can find stuff written back in 1996-97 on the newsgroups without much trouble, and it is all archived for ever. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 8 08:50:46 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:50:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] sel ethics Message-ID: <001501c53c52$bb382190$10cceddc@professi0cqjbx> Peter, I was at the meeting when this primadonna read out your sel listing. He had no idea when it had been listed and it had to be explained to him how it worked. You are correct, it would have been passed to him by a leach. He and his lackeys will be watching for further postings. Ron Glassby 7 Nullagine Way Gosnells 6110 Western Australia From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 08:57:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Bone Cutters In-Reply-To: <002b01c53c4d$c7d99140$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <002b01c53c4d$c7d99140$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, Don't you have a good story on the "source" of the bones you grind up in your exhibit? I seem to remember an unfortunate interaction with one of the spectators... 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Charles R Bryant wrote: > At our local show in Missouri we always rope off the engine display area. However this did > not keep kids and spectators out. About 10 years ago I was displaying my Humphrey > Bone Cutter I had just finished restoring. It was no easy task of finding bones and getting > them dried out for cutting. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 8 09:14:57 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4256AE01.7000103@imc-group.com> OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them! 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What you say here is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to see. Had you really intended to solicit private input you should have contacted a bunch of folk off list and asked the conversation remain confidential. 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry petty politics into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to be fun dude.... 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something as petty as a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of badge at all. Most here don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer made our badges a few years ago. I wear that to each and every show we attend. Thank you Peg. 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? Wot is stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do it and get on with the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again. Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building sometime. I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. Maybe we are all just too old and it is too much effort to create a ruckus about anything :-) . But I think we all recognize that it is a special situation that we all get along so well and that all of our energies are spent building the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political battles. Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the hobby.... To play with kewl machinery and socialize with great people. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC peter ogborne wrote: > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > > I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those > adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and i sought > comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took > these comments and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them > to make a personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present > at the meeting as i live 400km away and only attend occasional > meetings.I could not defend myself and the attacker did not have the > intestinal fortitude to advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow > club member relayed them to me. > It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my > comments , i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting > and in a letter to our club news letter. So it is nothing new. > What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way > did not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by > any secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have > prevailed. What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members > ,i gave my thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have > been passed to a non list person and used against me in this way at a > club meeting. > One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not > changed. What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact > me off list and we will discuss it. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 09:40:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] sel ethics In-Reply-To: <001501c53c52$bb382190$10cceddc@professi0cqjbx> References: <001501c53c52$bb382190$10cceddc@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: Hi Ron & Peter, What I find distressing is not that your "on-list" comments were taken to the meeting in question, but rather that the slimy vermin who did so are so lacking in balls that the best they can do is skulk in the background and not come out into the light and debate the issues (whatever they are). As others have mentioned, an "on-list" comment is really a public comment. There should be no presumption of privacy. One bit of bad "netiquette" is to take an off-list email and post it to the list without checking with the author first. That's just plain rude. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Ron Glassby wrote: > Peter, I was at the meeting when this primadonna read out your sel > listing. He had no idea when it had been listed and it had to be > explained to him how it worked. You are correct, it would have been > passed to him by a leach. He and his lackeys will be watching for > further postings. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 09:40:25 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:40:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics Message-ID: Well said Curt! I had started a response also about staying out of club politics and focusing on the parts of the hobby you enjoy, but you said it so much better. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:15 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL ethics > > OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them! > > 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What > you say here is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to > see. Had you really intended to solicit private input you > should have contacted a bunch of folk off list and asked the > conversation remain confidential. > > 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry > petty politics into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to > be fun dude.... > > 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something > as petty as a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of > badge at all. Most here don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer > made our badges a few years ago. I wear that to each and > every show we attend. Thank you Peg. > > 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? > Wot is stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do > it and get on with the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again. > > Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building > sometime. > I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. > Maybe we are all just too old and it is too much effort to > create a ruckus about anything :-) . But I think we all > recognize that it is a special situation that we all get > along so well and that all of our energies are spent building > the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political battles. > > Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the > hobby.... To play with kewl machinery and socialize with great people. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 8 09:48:03 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:48:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL ethics References: <6f602516050408084041ded680@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c53c5a$bc6620a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL ethics Snip > Yes, I would agree with George there, the search engines are very good > at finding and storing old messages and compilations, such that I can > find stuff written back in 1996-97 on the newsgroups without much > trouble, and it is all archived for ever. > Peter Hi Peter, Is it possible to see early ATIS postings? All the earlier records seem to have disappeared. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 8 10:16:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:16:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <20050407.223958.1008.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hey Rick, Buck up, mate. A lot of the responses you've received almost implied that you were some kind of stooge for doing something as loony as throwing a belt onto a running engine. Well lemme tell ya, whether anyone will admit it or not, there are quite a few of us who have also thrown belts onto running engines. And there's plenty of us who have started off with a perfectly good original part and turned it into a jumble of bits. And let's not even get started on cuts, bruises, lacerations, antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway wearing only your underwear. So while you may not be in GOOD company, you're not alone. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, Rob P.S. Rick Rowlands did some bits for me about a month ago. I don't know anything technical about casting, but the parts are now on the engine, and even I'd be hard pressed to tell which ones are the originals and which are the copies. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 10:33:58 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: George, Missy has always said that Curt was a cunning linguist. Now I know what she meant. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > Well said Curt! > > I had started a response also about staying out of club politics and > focusing on the parts of the hobby you enjoy, but you said it so much > better. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 10:46:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or Kelley? See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > And let's not even get started on cuts, bruises, lacerations, > antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway wearing only your > underwear. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 11:05:51 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:05:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: Arnie, John Hammink is the one Rob is referring to. John posted pictures back when this incident occurred. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:46 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > Hi Rob, > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to > build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in > their underware; you or Kelley? From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 8 11:12:05 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> My bet is that it wasn't engine related........ Bill > Hi Rob, > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the > anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or > Kelley? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> And let's not even get started on cuts, bruises, lacerations, >> antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway wearing only your >> underwear. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 8 11:24:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:24:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4256CC6C.8040606@imc-group.com> Arnie, That really was a terribly embarrassing and public moment in his own neighborhood for Rob. Now you want it spread on the internet for the whole world to enjoy? Sure you do! Curt P.S. But beware, Rob might bring out those old photos of you riding stark atop the Queen's carriage! Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Rob, > >Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the >anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or >Kelley? > >See ya, Arnie > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 8 11:25:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:25:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504081825.j38IPlks085552@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the > anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their > underware; you or Kelley? Dude, that story is essentially the story of my life. But the "standing in the driveway in his underwear" part wasn't me. I only got to see the pictures. It's the closest I've ever come to seeing a naked Dutchman. A sobering exerience, it was. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 11:30:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bummer. I was looking forward to Kelley... 8->>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > John Hammink is the one Rob is referring to. > John posted pictures back when this incident occurred. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to > > build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in > > their underware; you or Kelley? From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Apr 8 11:37:50 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:37:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <36537.199.62.0.252.1112985470.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> you lose, it was engine related. his clothes got caught in the clutch pulley of a 6 hp IHC M. marv in minn > My bet is that it wasn't engine related........ > > Bill > >> Hi Rob, >> >> Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the >> anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or >> Kelley? From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 8 11:51:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408145029.0d169558@mail.alltel.net> Arnie, Why would you want her to be wearing underwear? Dave >Bummer. I was looking forward to Kelley... 8->>> > >On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > > > John Hammink is the one Rob is referring to. > > John posted pictures back when this incident occurred. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to > > > build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in > > > their underware; you or Kelley? From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 8 12:10:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <36537.199.62.0.252.1112985470.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <36537.199.62.0.252.1112985470.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4371.165.206.180.102.1112987438.squirrel@antique-engines.com> There's a few hundred pounds of mass in motion there - good thing it was only the clothes that got caught up in that thing. (fabric doesn't tear away that easily if bunched up..........) People have been shredded by less horsepower and mass. Bill > you lose, > it was engine related. his clothes got caught in the clutch pulley of a 6 > hp IHC M. > > marv in minn > >> My bet is that it wasn't engine related........ >> >> Bill >> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the >>> anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you >>> or >>> Kelley? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Apr 8 12:38:25 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:38:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Piece Message-ID: <20050408.123825.1172.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Duncan. Yes it is an interesting engine. I have a complete one just like it. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30433450&p=62054398 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:40:01 -0500 Duncan Denman writes: > http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/7725 > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > From asouth at strato.net Fri Apr 8 12:49:11 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net><002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407223712.0d46ce10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004801c53c74$0a283fd0$9800a8c0@Arthur> Dave, go back to sleep! Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Private shows > At 10:20 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: >>For what it's worth; >>I have a private show every year in April. This year it is April 15-16-17. >>About ten couples attend and we have a blast. Sat. night is a pitch in >>supper. >>My 2 cents, >>Arthur > > Hi Arthur, I haven't shown my privates for almost two years now. It's HELL > getting old! > Dave > PS, Ten couples? WOW--you DA MAN! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Apr 8 12:55:54 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:55:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> I'm not sure about that the Nonpareil is an Osborne sold IHC or not. I only know that I found some very small original traces of blue paint. Some people tell that it might be a German built IHC. Who can tell the diffrence? Also does an Osborne have any other specific things that make it different to an "normal" IHC? Does an Osborne have a diffrent tag? I guess this makes more questions than answers;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hi Harry, > Are you sure about your Nonpareil engine, sofar I know they came > first in 1909. I don't think an Osborn dealer sold engines to Czecho- > Slovakia. Here you can see a Czech ad for the IHC Nonpareil engines. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/CzechNonpareil.jpg > > See you April 30th at your local show, bring my little engine buddy too. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > I have a 4hp vertical IHC Nonpareil, and I think it might be an Osborne too. > > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/nonpareil.htm > > There were some traces of dark blue paint on the engine block under the > > bearings. > > As you can see in the photo's there is very little paint left;-) > > > > > > Harry Terpstra > /mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 8 14:58:42 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:58:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050408.180131.956.2.jlb94@juno.com> A lot of the responses you've received almost implied that you were some kind of stooge for doing something as loony as throwing a belt onto a running engine. = = = = = = I have no problem with throwing a flat belt on a running engine. As long as you're about your wits when you do it. And - God Bless you if you do it with a "V" belt pulley. Know which way the darn thing is turning and realize that when it grabs, your hands & such better be out of the way. The problem here, as I see it, is when the flat belt got caught between the flat pulley and the "V" belt pulley. Not having enough space to lay idle, it spun and wrapped itself around the shaft. Had that "V" belt pulley not been there - This would've never happened. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 8 15:45:00 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <000c01c53c8c$98e464c0$a65bef18@pengy> Rick, Better to send the parts to me at 1633 Westhampton Dr., Austintown, OH 44515. Just throw all the bits and pieces into a box. I'll put them together so that I can use them as a pattern for the new pieces. Glad to help! Rick (in Ohio) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > You Da Man Rick!!! I believe I can put the pieces together and secure > them with screws or ? And send them to the address below unless otherwise > directed. > I'll do that ASAP. > > Thanks pard > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > >> Rick, >> >> Its never pretty to see old iron in such a terrible state! >> >> If you want to send me the broken parts I can cast you a couple of new >> bearing caps. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F >> Struthers, OH 44471 >> http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> 330-728-2799 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling >> >> >> > Howdy all; >> > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : >> > (notice >> > where the main bearing cap is) >> > >> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV >> > >> > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >> > needed!!! >> > >> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL >> > >> > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. >> > >> > Looking for new caps for a roundrod >> > >> > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. >> > >> > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Apr 8 16:01:11 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:01:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT Check out eBay item 6524305567 (Ends Apr-14-05 20:52:56 PDT) Message-ID: <12b.5a9fcb8a.2f886737@aol.com> Here is a set of technical books pertaining to steam boilers and engines for auction on eBay. Perhaps, one of your steam friends/buddys may be interested. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _Click here: eBay item 6524305567 (Ends Apr-14-05 20:52:56 PDT) - 14 International Textbooks relating to Steam & Engines_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4132&item=6524305567&rd=1) From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 8 16:42:07 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 01:42:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first F12-G tractors. The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold by McCormick and Osborne dealers. What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne engine tag. After all those years there're and always will be questions. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I'm not sure about that the Nonpareil is an Osborne sold IHC or not. > I only know that I found some very small original traces of blue paint. > Some people tell that it might be a German built IHC. Who can tell the > diffrence? > > Also does an Osborne have any other specific things that make it different > to an "normal" IHC? > Does an Osborne have a diffrent tag? > > I guess this makes more questions than answers;-) > > > Harry Terpstra From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 8 17:46:00 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:46:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425725C8.3060209@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, Glad you and Corky are alright. Broke my heart to see the damage to the engine, but it can be fixed. Keep at it and be carefull. Can't wait to come up and visit your museum, and you have to stay well for that to happen. Jeff Allen Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; >Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice >where the main bearing cap is) > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > >and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >needed!!! > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > >Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > >Looking for new caps for a roundrod > >And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Apr 8 18:08:59 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:08:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$ 0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: >What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne >engine tag. We'll know more tomorrow about the tag because Curt is going to be at the gents place that has this engine and he is going to look it over and take some pictures. Stay tuned for more details......... Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Apr 8 18:30:27 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:30:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <1fb.62e4e81.2f888a33@aol.com> Hi Joe, I'm pretty sure that what looks like a V - belt pulley, is really the 2 handwheels that operate the clutch pulley. Quite a few early clutches were made this way, although I'm not sure it was one of the safer designs. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 8 19:00:02 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:00:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> Hi all, I run the web site for my club, and over the last several months have had a few invites to show engines. These are not the annual show(s) done by clubs, and they are not shows only for engine folks. I guess they fall somewhere in the middle. County fairs, fall festivals, and such that invite you to have members show engines, and sometimes even invite the FATG folks. Who am I to talk there? I own Maytags. ;-) I think this a great opportunity for all clubs to attract folks that might not attend "engine shows" such as Portland, and wouldn't be invited to private shows for engine only folks. My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not we DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my clubs VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more members attend and it will be a club sanctioned event and full liability insurance. Life is good. For the record to all that remember, the show I hoped to plan went to hell. Check out the details before you offer to help. Lesson learned and I'm back at it trying to put another one together with a little more knowledge under my belt. My 2 cents and get involved and be active. I don't lurk on lists and I try to be as active as time allows in my club. Jeff Allen From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 8 19:14:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:14:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7115693c2ec59e80e640bda499de0313@chartertn.net> > Missy has always said that Curt was a cunning linguist. Now I know > what > she meant. Sounds like a master debater, too. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 8 19:32:47 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> > My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not we > DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my clubs > VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more members attend > and it will be a club sanctioned event and full liability insurance. Life > is good. >Jeff Allen Hi Jeff, Life MAY not be all that good of someone is hurt. Unless your club is paying BIG BUCKS for insurance I would think that while the club (officers etc.) may be covered for liability the members ARE NOT! While your VP may believe what he has told you is true I would question it. Ask for the insurance agents name and phone number. Call him and ask if YOU will be covered if some idiot sticks his/her/it's hand in your flywheel and looses it. I'll bet you a nickle that he says "no." If he says "Yes" ask him to put that in writing. If he does I owe you a nickle. The only way I know of to really be safe is to join EDGE&TA and buy insurance through them. It's a GOOD deal for the price and then you can be sure that you have coverage! Dave PS, You can read about EDGE&TA and the insurance that they offer at: http://www.edgeta.org/ From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 8 19:30:37 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:30:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050408.223114.800.1.jlb94@juno.com> Oh - My mistake - Shewie ! I wouldn't like that design. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:30:27 EDT Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: > Hi Joe, > I'm pretty sure that what looks like a V - belt pulley, is really > the 2 > handwheels that operate the clutch pulley. Quite a few early > clutches were made > this way, although I'm not sure it was one of the safer designs. > > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 8 19:33:32 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:33:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. Message-ID: <000901c53cac$a7b278a0$56d13dca@ogborneuah38i3> Please ..does any one have an elevation of the down draught carburettor on these engines,i.e. the one with the overhead tank? I am trying to determine the fuel level height in the float bowl having rebuilt the carburettor, a new needle valve was made . A bit of guess work required as to the length and the position of the float arm. Thanks....... Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 9 00:35:07 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:35:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks References: 218886995 Message-ID: <001901c53cd6$a7fa6500$bf2cd9cb@xxxx> Rob, Thanks for info, have now attached photos on web shots under Hardy engine. This guy is prepared to actually cast/make another head, valves rocker etc. He is only really missing the top end as the photos show and ignition system but don't know any sizes, type etc. regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Cc: "'Cliff Northcote'" Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2005 1:02 Subject: RE: [SEL] Hardy motorworks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Bethell [mailto:bethell1 at iinet.net.au] > > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:41 AM > > > > One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor > > works, Port Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore > > of 3 3/4" and stroke of 6" and would have had a 5 stud head > > if it was attached!! All workings are internal but he has > > been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very unusual. > > Can anyone help with info on these engines? > > regards > > Jim Bethell > > > Hi Jim, > You should contact Cliff Northcote He told me that > there are only three Hardys remaining and his is the only engine that runs. Is > your mate's Hardy one of the three, or could there be four engines? > > You can see a picture of Cliff's engine by visiting the following web page and > clicking on the ninth link on the left: http://rustyiron.com/engines/santee04 > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/05 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 9 04:32:25 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:32:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics References: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4256AE01.7000103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002a01c53cf7$d2037dc0$d8ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Curt.........I agree with most of what you say and in a perfect world it would work.We are doing some of the things you suggest. I do agree that the matter of badges is a ''Storm in a tea cup'' . I am correct though .....a cardboard name tag does not constitute a badge . Unfortunately what i am dealing with here is an oligarch.Yes the SEL is a public forum but that should not prevent us posting what we think because some one might see it and be offended. With out that facility the list would be useless and quite boring. Of course my comments will now be relayed to those who are not subscribers ,so be it. As i stated in my original post the decision about the bloody name tags [badges] was a majority decision which i accepted but that does not stop me having a healthy opinion and i am at liberty and quite entitled to air them on this list .I am not into appeasement and will accept criticism as long as it is not ''below the belt'' and made to my face. Now back to engines............enough time spent on this..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL ethics > OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them! > > 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What you say here > is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to see. Had you really > intended to solicit private input you should have contacted a bunch of > folk off list and asked the conversation remain confidential. > > 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry petty politics > into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to be fun dude.... > > 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something as petty as > a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of badge at all. Most here > don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer made our badges a few years ago. I > wear that to each and every show we attend. Thank you Peg. > > 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? Wot is > stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do it and get on with > the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again. > > Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building sometime. > I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. Maybe > we are all just too old and it is too much effort to create a ruckus about > anything :-) . But I think we all recognize that it is a special situation > that we all get along so well and that all of our energies are spent > building the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political > battles. > > Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the hobby.... To play > with kewl machinery and socialize with great people. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > peter ogborne wrote: > >> I would appreciate any comments on the following..... >> >> I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those adopted >> by my club.These were my personal opinions and i sought comments by >> other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took these comments >> and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them to make a >> personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present at the meeting >> as i live 400km away and only attend occasional meetings.I could not >> defend myself and the attacker did not have the intestinal fortitude to >> advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow club member relayed them >> to me. >> It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my comments , >> i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting and in a letter >> to our club news letter. So it is nothing new. >> What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way did >> not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by any >> secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have prevailed. >> What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members ,i gave my >> thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have been passed to a >> non list person and used against me in this way at a club meeting. >> One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not changed. >> What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact me off list >> and we will discuss it. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 9 05:14:40 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:14:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Making valves Message-ID: <005a01c53cfd$b48ba410$0201010a@Portable> I am working on a Cooper/Stover KA at present. I pulled out the exhaust valve tonight and found it almost completely eroded through the stem near the valve head. I thought I might machine a new one up. What steel should I use and what is the best way to go about it? I thought that it would be easy to machine the whole valve out of a single piece but I know some weld the head onto a stem.Its only a small valve. 5/16 stem,1.4 inch head and around 4.3 over all Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Apr 9 06:18:50 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 08:18:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Piece In-Reply-To: <20050408.123825.1172.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050408.123825.1172.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4257D63A.9050207@wightman.ca> Thanks Ron, Never seen one of those. Duncan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Hi Duncan. >Yes it is an interesting engine. I have a complete one just like it. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30433450&p=62054398 > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:40:01 -0500 Duncan Denman >writes: > > >>http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/7725 >> >>-- >>Duncan Denman >>Ayton, Ontario >>Canada >>Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >>Home Page >>http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat Apr 9 05:31:17 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:31:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Making valves References: <005a01c53cfd$b48ba410$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <001701c53d00$07a07de0$5c3354d2@Cam> Hi Ray,yes they work ok welded into the head of the valve. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Making valves I am working on a Cooper/Stover KA at present. I pulled out the exhaust valve tonight and found it almost completely eroded through the stem near the valve head. I thought I might machine a new one up. What steel should I use and what is the best way to go about it? I thought that it would be easy to machine the whole valve out of a single piece but I know some weld the head onto a stem.Its only a small valve. 5/16 stem,1.4 inch head and around 4.3 over all Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 9 09:21:29 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:21:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making valves Message-ID: <20050409.092130.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Ray. Go looking for a used automotive valve at your local rebuilding shop. I have cut down lots of them for use in my engines. Just off the top of my head I think you will find a metric valve that is just a few thousandths of an inch bigger than 5/16ths. That way you can ream your guide to fit the new valve for a close fit. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:14:40 +0800 "R and E Freeman" writes: > > > I am working on a Cooper/Stover KA at present. I pulled out the > exhaust valve tonight and found it almost completely eroded through > the stem near the valve head. I thought I might machine a new one > up. What steel should I use and what is the best way to go about it? > I thought that it would be easy to machine the whole valve out of a > single piece but I know some weld the head onto a stem.Its only a > small valve. 5/16 stem,1.4 inch head and around 4.3 over all > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 9 09:47:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:47:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling and first showing yesterday References: <4256A41C.9090608@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Well thank you ALL for your responses and offers to help!! George, I appreciate your offer! I got three pieces that fit well together so Rick should be able to get a good pattern. Again thanks! Curt, I'll heed your advise on straightening the rod..tanks!..also on preparing the patter. Well gang, yesterday was Cork and I's first showing. We loaded the two Gals and Eco and 10 a.m., we headed for town and showed for around 6 hours at the U of M Vo-Tech. I didn't know that kids from all over Montana were being bused in to show them what they had to offer. It was great and the two engines performed wonderful. Even started in front of a crowd:-)) Passed out a few cards and got a few leads. Lunch time came so we drove up to the Pattern Shop Coffee house and I got a bazillion pix's of the various patterns on the wall...sorry it took so long, Curt...and will post soon. We then drove around and showed the engines to some elderly we know that can't get around anymore. Had a few brewskies and showed at the local VFW and headed home. All in all, a great day!! later gang RickinMt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 11:11:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:11:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Maytag Part.... Message-ID: <6f602516050409111139485e2e@mail.gmail.com> A friend in the UK has asked me to look out for a kickstarter part for a Maytag type 72, the actual part is S317, shown here: http://www.maytagshed.com/fs_S317.jpg If anyone has one to sell, could they contact me please, or advise of a source of parts for when I come over next week. Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 9 11:44:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 12:44:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pattern shop pix's Message-ID: Here's some pix's I took yesterday. I have no idea what some of these patterns are for and the others are self-explanatory. Caird Engineering Start here and then go prev. or back. For some reason I cannot move the pictures in the album..HELP? http://community.webshots.com/photo/318110433/318124814eWHmpb Hope ya'll enjoy the tour RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 9 12:23:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 13:23:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] For George Message-ID: Some reason I don't have your email address George. I do appreciate the offer on the roundrod main bearing caps! But wouldn't one have to remove the babbitt in order to get a pattern. These bearing caps have large holes not drilled all the way through but just enough to secure the babbitt. I feel one would ruin the babbitt insert trying to remove it mechanically. The other half also. later George, RickinMt. From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Apr 9 12:49:01 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Main bearings question References: <20050409.092130.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001a01c53d3d$2de970a0$6288b4ce@toms> Stupid question: I got a set of main bearings from "Hit n Miss" for my FM "Z" 3hp and I don't know which way to face the thrust bearing part. (Like I said up front stupid question). It looks like it will work either way but with the crank thrust spacer in place, the bearing thrust flange is a real tight fit on the connecting rod side. It seems more logical to have the thrust bearing on the inside of the main but the end play is only a few thousands and this seems awfully tight for a engine with no pressure oiling. I could chuck them up in the lathe and face them a little but it seems just as illogical the they would machine them with the wrong dimensions. Thanks and have a nice weekend, Tom From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Apr 9 13:01:22 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:01:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811> So now I know for sure thats not true. I learned something today John;-) I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for the Famous) Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving money building a "cheap" engine. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it very interesting to look at when running;-) > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > F12-G tractors. > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From nick at holden1.net Sat Apr 9 13:07:38 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:07:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Main bearings question References: <001a01c53d3d$2de970a0$6288b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <4258360A.000001.02708@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Tom on my FM "Z" 1 1/2 hp the thrust bearing is on the flywheel side its also the same on my associated 2 1/4 hp nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Tom Smith Date: 04/09/05 20:55:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Main bearings question Stupid question: I got a set of main bearings from "Hit n Miss" for my FM "Z" 3hp and I don't know which way to face the thrust bearing part. (Like I said up front stupid question). It looks like it will work either way but with the crank thrust spacer in place, the bearing thrust flange is a real tight fit on the connecting rod side. It seems more logical to have the thrust bearing on the inside of the main but the end play is only a few thousands and this seems awfully tight for a engine with no pressure oiling. I could chuck them up in the lathe and face them a little but it seems just as illogical the they would machine them with the wrong dimensions. Thanks and have a nice weekend, Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 9 14:36:05 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:36:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001d01c53d4c$260640c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine. Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33". All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine. Standard they came with battery and spark coil. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web So now I know for sure thats not true. I learned something today John;-) I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for the Famous) Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving money building a "cheap" engine. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it very interesting to look at when running;-) > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > F12-G tractors. > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tilinghast at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 15:01:15 2005 From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 15:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Emergency Message-ID: <20050409220115.75844.qmail@web60307.mail.yahoo.com> List members, Are there any list members on line that live just south of Fairfax, Va, ?? My wife and daughter are on there way to my other daughters home and have had some kind of trouble with smoke coming from one of the front wheels. No pulling to the side or strange noises just smoke. She is driving my 2000 Dodge Dakota as I didn't want her to drive her Suziki Sidekick that has 227,000 miles on it...wouldn't you know. If anyone can render assistance please call me at 757-650-8895 or e-mail me at tilinghast at yahoo .com. I will monitor my e-mail and the list for whatever anyone can do. Thanks, Dave. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Apr 9 15:47:48 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:47:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace during the show. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 17:23:12 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Breather Holes in General Message-ID: <20050410002312.84003.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> On many of the machines I have worked with and owned that were meant to be used out-of-doors had breather holes with a cotter pin inserted through them. The fit of the pin was always a bit loose, say 1/8-inch pin in a 9/64-inch hole and the legs bent so that the pin was also free to slide back and forth about 1/4-inch or so. Where rain could get in there was usally a rain cover of some sort over the breather. The idea was that the vibration from the machine in use would give enough motion to the cotter pin to disturb and dislodge any dust buildup that would otherwise plug the breather hole. The first machines I saw that used this scheme were made by Caterpillar, which had the breathers for the transmission, clutch compartment, brakes, etc., equipped this way. I never saw it used on Caterpillar fuel caps, though, but it wouldn't have hurt a bit! If any of you are old enough to have read the now-classic Earthworm Tractor stories in The Saturday Evening Post, as well as see the also classic 1940 movie by the same name starring Joe E. Brown, a cranky misbehaving engine was cured in one episode by removing dirt from the breather hole in the fuel cap! Of course what it needed was a cotter pin through it! Work and play safely, Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 9 17:47:33 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:47:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <20050409.174733.676.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. I will be there with Carol. Will arrive shortly after noon on Friday. See you there, bring a stick of wood for the campfire. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:47:48 -0700 "Jim and Diane" writes: > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace > during > the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 9 18:26:08 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:26:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 43CC Little Gas Scooter - Need Help Message-ID: <007f01c53d6c$480f9430$230110ac@PAUL> I purchased one of those little 43 CC mini gas scooters for my 10 year old grandson I am raising for Christmas. The rear sprocket is attached to the wheel hub that apparently has a slip type configuration in it to allow you to back it up by pushing it. When he goes to take off the rear sprocket will just spin on the hub and then all of a sudden it will engage and snap the chain and take off. I have removed the wheel, taken the sprockets off, and tried to get into the hub to see what is going on but have been unable to get inside of the hub area. It has an approximately 3/4" to 1" inside nut in the outside of this hub that takes a spanner to remove. I removed this but can go no further. I think it must have a mechanism like a socket wrench has where a ball or pin drops down to engage the sprocket. I thought that it might be full of cosmoline from being shipped overseas and found that if I heated the hub area then the sprocket would engage as it should and work. On cold days it would not engage until I heated it. Now it is getting worse and does not want to engage properly even when I heat it. You go to take off and like I said the rear sprocket will start spinning and then all of a sudden catch and snap the chain, spin the wheel, and take off. Does anyone know anything about this unit? Paul From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 9 19:28:45 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:28:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones Message-ID: <000a01c53d75$05fa87e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> In my previous message I told about my Humphrey Bone Cutter that I had restored. Before days of feed supplements farmers used to chip up bones to feed to there poultry to make the egg shells harder. Each year in Marthasville, MO my friends Lois and Bob Hostkoetter put on a 2 day show called Deutsch Country Days. The show authentically demonstrates the early German immigrants functional life style . Butter churning, rail splitting ,woodworking, blacksmithing. weaving and over 55 other skills. One year I took my Humphrey Bone Cutter. In two days the average attendance is 40 to 60,000. Believe me after two days that's a lot of questions to answer and gets kind of boring. Near the end of the second day this gal came by. After a demonstration she asked "where did you get your bones". Well I said remember last year during the flood (flood of 1993) the cemetery along the Missouri river was flooded and several caskets were washed away and not found. Well I found some of them caskets and that's where I got my bones,. She exclaimed "oh my gosh your cutting up my Grandmother's bones". Then she went on to explain her Grandmother's casket was one of them that washed away and not found. After that I was more careful how I answered there questions. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Apr 9 18:49:22 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:49:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42588622.1090507@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, I had to give your response some thought. Not a big offer and you can keep your nickel. If the day comes that we can meet and chat, I hope we can share a couple barley pops and the first one is on me. EDGE&TA have fine insurance for member clubs, but they have ruffled some feathers over the years. My club no longer belongs to that organization. We do have good insurance with a group policy that covers some engine clubs and a large number of tractor pullers in this part of the country. The cost is five bucks a year and included in membership for club members. We did have to make a revision of club policy at the last meeting regarding insurance. Any family member can now be covered at cost for $5. Pretty good deal in my opinion. For the record Dave and all, I am new to this hobby. I do try to participate and make changes. New blood brings new ideas to any club and that in my opinion is a good thing. That is why I am trying to put a show together for folks to show engines for the simple pleasure of doing so. I do look into the liability and insurance issues because unfortunately I have to. I hope to have the policy online in the near future for all club members. We do need to know where we stand on this issue. BTW we are required to have one rope/fence. Jeff Allen PS, When I was six a nickel and a Bon Ton bread wrapper got you into the movie in Missoula on Saturday. The times are a changing. Sigh! Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not >> we DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my >> clubs VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more >> members attend and it will be a club sanctioned event and full >> liability insurance. Life is good. >> Jeff Allen > > > Hi Jeff, > Life MAY not be all that good of someone is hurt. Unless your > club is paying BIG BUCKS for insurance I would think that while the > club (officers etc.) may be covered for liability the members ARE NOT! > While your VP may believe what he has told you is true I would > question it. Ask for the insurance agents name and phone number. Call > him and ask if YOU will be covered if some idiot sticks his/her/it's > hand in your flywheel and looses it. I'll bet you a nickle that he > says "no." If he says "Yes" ask him to put that in writing. If he does > I owe you a nickle. > The only way I know of to really be safe is to join EDGE&TA > and buy insurance through them. It's a GOOD deal for the price and > then you can be sure that you have coverage! > Dave > PS, You can read about EDGE&TA and the insurance that they offer at: > http://www.edgeta.org/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 9 19:07:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:07:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407214656.0d379508@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north end of town. Again this year we will be having the ATIS Charity Auction following the meal. I trust that Glenn Karch will again be running the auction. Start thinking now about what you might donate to the auction. Last year we raised almost $3,000.00 for charity at this event. I'm hoping that we can top that this year! (I understand that a patron of the arts will be donating a FIXED MAYTAG and another person is thinking about FIXING a John Deere tractor for the event!) I talked to Ellen (at the Back 40) earlier this evening and told her that I'd give her a "count" for the dinner as the time drew near. I'd like to be fairly accurate this year. Last year we had about 85 people at the dinner. If you plan to join us for the dinner this year please let me know and let me know how many will be in your party. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net Portland happens in only 136 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes and 2 seconds. Don't be late! Dave rotigel at alltel.net PS, If you already told me that you would be attending the dinner please do so again. I'll start keeping a "count" tonight. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:34:24 2005 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:34:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <1df.3973f6e9.2f89f8c0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/9/2005 4:04:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: > > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace during > > the show. > > Jim > > Hi Jim, Ginger and I will be there also! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:50:13 2005 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:50:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <8d.24c2b0b4.2f89fc75@aol.com> In a message dated 4/8/2005 10:36:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: > antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway > wearing only your underwear. So while you may not be in GOOD company, > you're > not alone. > > Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, > Rob > John, You know you should'nt have posted those pictures......Rob has a memory like an elephant! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= From segray at mlode.com Sat Apr 9 21:48:21 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:48:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4258B015.6090306@mlode.com> Hi Jim - I hope to be pulling in soon after noon. Have to get set up and shoot over to Exeter to pick up an engine I bought a year ago. Give me something new to play with during the show! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim and Diane wrote: > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace > during the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 00:09:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:09:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 9, 2005 11:47 PM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace during > the show. > > Jim There was a bit of talk about a get-together on Saturday evening for a meal? Rob & Kelley were talking of this back a while, but don't know if that went any further. We are there on late Saturday, staying in Visalia overnight and back to the show on Sunday morning, head back to SFO on Sunday pm. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 10 04:53:22 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:53:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <1d6.3945894e.2f735801@aol.com> Message-ID: <004901c53dc3$e515b7d0$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day Dwight Just to let you know I have not forgotten you, let you know when I have the parts off mine later in the week Kerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 From Vivas1993 at aol.com Sun Apr 10 05:36:45 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:36:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <196.3cb2799c.2f8a77dd@aol.com> Hi Kerry, No problem ! I just got in from working night shift, so I'm doing a quick email check, then it's off to bed for a couple of hours :o) I'm now off until Wed. afternoon, so it's time to get a few chores done for the boss ( wife ). How about sending me you mailing address, I'd like to get the Reid info. mailed off to you this week. Take care & talk with ya soon. Dwight From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 10 06:15:10 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:15:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050410091152.0d6aeb00@mail.alltel.net> >There was a bit of talk about a get-together on Saturday evening for a >meal? Rob & Kelley were talking of this back a while, but don't know >if that went any further. >We are there on late Saturday, staying in Visalia overnight and back >to the show on Sunday morning, head back to SFO on Sunday pm. >Peter For those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that I've ever had at a show! Dave From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Apr 10 06:37:24 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:37:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog References: <3rr0ks$r426rr@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002c01c53dd2$6dbc9870$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> J.B. Did you get the original muffler with your Bull Dog? They are just about impossible to find.. A few years back Lee Pederson had some reproduction ones for sale. Your lucky you got the carb. Thats an item thats usually missing and hard to find. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog >I picked up the 4hp Bulldog today, needs work but I should be able to get >it going. Rod and piston are missing, pullrod and belcrank-cam follower >missing. The governor, carb, fuel pump, and ignitor are there. I'll start >with the head, need to free the rocker and valves, fabricate new valves. >I'm sure this one will carry over into a winter project. > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 4/6/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 10 08:06:00 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:06:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Maytag Part.... Message-ID: <158.4e7783d1.2f8a9ad8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/9/2005 2:35:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << or advise of a source of parts for when I come over next week. >> Peter, Maytag parts man been in business for years: Simpson Motors P.O. box 211 Bluffton, Ohio 45817 419-369-4665 9am-4pm and 7pm-10pm Monday thru Saturday, no Sundays Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 10 09:07:33 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New main brng. caps..followup Message-ID: Howdy again; Wondering if I should send both caps to Rick so maybe he can do them in one pour. Thought the answer might be of interest to all. later, RickinMt. From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 10 10:12:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:12:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: Jim, Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. Hope to see you there. George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim and Diane > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:48 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tulare > > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face > someplace during the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 11:10:17 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:10:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504101810.j3AIAO7Z030838@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> There goes the neighbor hood! Cya Friday Jimmy and Pam Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:12 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Tulare Jim, Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. Hope to see you there. George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim and Diane > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:48 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tulare > > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face > someplace during the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 10 12:03:09 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:03:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones In-Reply-To: <000a01c53d75$05fa87e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <200504101903.j3AJ3Bxt044363@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Charlie, You mentioned drying your bones. Is there a reason for going through the extra trouble? Since we have a "green bone cutter," I've always used raw bones straight from the butcher shop. There's always the marrow and some sinewy parts still attached, but they go through the machine just fine. The downside is that by the end of a warm day at a show, we have a pile of ground up dismembered animals and our display area is starting to smell like McDonalds. I'll leave to your imagination the type of spectators that we begin to attract. I've been reluctant to use dried-out bones, as they seem harder and they make scary noises in the bone cutter. The last thing I want to do is break something. I've never sharpened the blades, so maybe that would help in using dried bones. Any tips? Thanks, Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 10 12:20:51 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:20:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New main brng. caps..followup References: Message-ID: <004001c53e02$68963ba0$a65bef18@pengy> Just send both. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [SEL] New main brng. caps..followup > Howdy again; > Wondering if I should send both caps to Rick so maybe he can do them in > one pour. Thought the answer might be of interest to all. > > later, > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Apr 10 12:36:27 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:36:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050410091152.0d6aeb00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4259803A.BBE9850A@insulate.co.uk> Dave Rotigel wrote: > > For those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough > in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that > I've ever had at a show! Try to get to Kinzer some time - they serve a SERIOUS breakfast! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Apr 10 14:08:03 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:08:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811> <001d01c53d4c$260640c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <008a01c53e11$623eb4d0$3775833e@harryp1811> John, I think that if IHC say that it's an engine to compete with ceaper engines, I think it means that it's built cheaper. I don't find any features that seems cheap made. It's the same (high) quallity than the Famous. > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > ooops i don't even know the dia of my own engine's flywheel;-) Yes you're right. It's 30" It seems International never mentioned the bore and stroke in their sale ads. I only know because I had both engines at the same time, so I could compare every part. Actually I think only the fuel & waterpump are the same, and the cylinder head, and the rocker arm(s). also the piston and cranshaft are the same. The rest (all the main castings) are different. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hi Harry, > I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine. > Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines > being built by many other companies. > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33". > All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers > convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine. > Standard they came with battery and spark coil. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > So now I know for sure thats not true. > I learned something today John;-) > > I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. > I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same > bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. > However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for > the Famous) > Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving money > building a "cheap" engine. > > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the > verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. > The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it > very interesting to look at when running;-) > > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > engine tag. > > > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > > F12-G tractors. > > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > engine tag. > > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 10 14:42:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:42:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <4259803A.BBE9850A@insulate.co.uk> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050410091152.0d6aeb00@mail.alltel.net> <4259803A.BBE9850A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050410174006.0d72a238@mail.alltel.net> >Dave Rotigel wrote: > > For those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough > > in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that > > I've ever had at a show! >Try to get to Kinzer some time - they serve a SERIOUS breakfast! >Dolly Been there, tried that. Kinzer breakfast is an 8--Tulare omlet is a TEN! Dave PS, I think the omlet making takes place at the WAP area. (Lots of good Italians there!) From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Apr 10 15:59:33 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:59:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811><001d01c53d4c$260640c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <008a01c53e11$623eb4d0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001701c53e20$f6bec460$0384dccb@oemcomputer> Just of interest.A friend of mine here has a 2hp nonpareil and the cylinder bore is smaller than a 2hp famous,Also the Webster bkt is made by IHC and has there emblem on it and no Webster # and many of its parts are bronze castings rather than iron.The carb ,exhaust rocker and most other parts are different also.This engine is also much smaller than a Famous and appears to be the same size as a Famous Jr. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:08 Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > John, > I think that if IHC say that it's an engine to compete with ceaper engines, > I think it means that it's built cheaper. > I don't find any features that seems cheap made. It's the same (high) > quallity than the Famous. > > > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > > > ooops i don't even know the dia of my own engine's flywheel;-) > Yes you're right. It's 30" > It seems International never mentioned the bore and stroke in their sale > ads. > I only know because I had both engines at the same time, so I could compare > every part. > Actually I think only the fuel & waterpump are the same, and the cylinder > head, and the rocker arm(s). > also the piston and cranshaft are the same. > The rest (all the main castings) are different. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > > Hi Harry, > > I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine. > > Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines > > being built by many other companies. > > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > > flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33". > > All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers > > convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine. > > Standard they came with battery and spark coil. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > > So now I know for sure thats not true. > > I learned something today John;-) > > > > I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. > > I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same > > bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. > > However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for > > the Famous) > > Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving > money > > building a "cheap" engine. > > > > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > > > > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the > > verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. > > The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it > > very interesting to look at when running;-) > > > > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > > engine tag. > > > > > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! > > > > > > Harry Terpstra > > Sint Annaparochie > > Netherlands > > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hammink" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > > > > > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > > > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > > > F12-G tractors. > > > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > > > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > > > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > > > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > > > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > > > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > > > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > > engine tag. > > > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > > > > > John Hammink > > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Apr 10 18:31:21 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:31:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c><6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com><018b01c53b0b$bf658e30$6401a8c0@office> <009801c53bcd$62580fc0$05c77040@user> Message-ID: <007b01c53e36$2b90e780$d6f5f504@x8h7l9> Paul, NTE has come out with some not so expensive white LEDs, $1.80 each. I made a LED flash light by putting three of them, each with a 120 resister in series on the end of some soft copper wire. I used a Radio Shack 4 C cell pack for a stable base and bend the wire to put the light where I need it. It worked great inspecting the inside of a gas tank last week. An image of it is at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html and NTE can be found at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . OT OT my sisters are into miniatures so I got them some of the white 3MM ones. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. Start > saving your change... > > Paul Russell > Riga, Michigan > hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cullom" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > > > I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake > problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad > light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on > this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights > with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all > the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible > crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... > Thanks again guys, > John From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 18:59:36 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:59:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED In-Reply-To: <007b01c53e36$2b90e780$d6f5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200504110159.j3B1xeNv039218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Ed ,That's really neat. Could you please make a one drawing of the circuitry Thanks Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:31 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED Paul, NTE has come out with some not so expensive white LEDs, $1.80 each. I made a LED flash light by putting three of them, each with a 120 resister in series on the end of some soft copper wire. I used a Radio Shack 4 C cell pack for a stable base and bend the wire to put the light where I need it. It worked great inspecting the inside of a gas tank last week. An image of it is at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html and NTE can be found at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . OT OT my sisters are into miniatures so I got them some of the white 3MM ones. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. Start > saving your change... > > Paul Russell > Riga, Michigan > hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cullom" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > > > I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake > problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad > light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on > this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights > with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all > the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible > crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... > Thanks again guys, > John _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 10 19:15:12 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:15:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi.... A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, loose and tight pulleys, etc. I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of producing power. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jbcast at charter.net Sun Apr 10 19:24:33 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 2:24:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog-parts needed Message-ID: <3rr7ar$uccm90@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> > Subject: Re: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog > > J.B. > > Did you get the original muffler with your Bull Dog? They are just about > impossible to find.. > A few years back Lee Pederson had some reproduction ones for sale. Your > lucky you got the carb. Thats an item thats usually missing and hard to > find. > > Charlie Bryant > Charlie, the muffler is missing, there's a tee at the bottom of a nipple on the exhaust, copper tubing runs through it from a three way valve on the fuel line. Looks like you can run kero through it to pre-heat it. The carb is unusual looking. I need to have the cam follower-belcrank recast, If someone has one I'd like to get Rick Rowlands to cast one. J.B. Castagnos From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Apr 10 19:33:02 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:33:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross Message-ID: <021801c53e3e$c9115d20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Here are a couple of photos of the ET-B aircooled Southern Cross I picked up a couple of weeks ago. Ron http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/319608014JdzZJb http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/319610021MxecTY http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/319612718uINNxF From gwaugh at wowway.com Sun Apr 10 20:28:05 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:28:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200504110328.j3B3SDP12140@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Larry, the pics are really interesting--as is the fact that the operators of the observatory have kept the system going for so long. And I really appreciate your method of picture display and navigation. Very convenient! Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA .......... A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, loose and tight pulleys, etc. I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop ................. Larry Evans From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 10 20:37:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:37:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c53e47$d14cd240$05b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Larry ,somewhere i have a copy of that book written by the original editor or GEM.I must find it again as it is very interesting reading re early machine shops ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Hi.... > > A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, > loose and tight pulleys, etc. > > I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop > that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line > shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California > and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse > type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for > the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern > rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of > producing power. > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gibsongus at myway.com Sun Apr 10 22:29:59 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 01:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <20050411052959.98BBF394F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Dave the club is not called WAP. Its called WAPA and not all members are Ittalans!!! I am amember and I am of German desent thank you, and I can,t spell to good either .Thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 04/10, Dave Rotigel < rotigel at alltel.net > wrote: From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:15:10 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare>There was a bit of talk about a get-together on Saturday evening for a>meal? Rob & Kelley were talking of this back a while, but don't know>if that went any further.>We are there on late Saturday, staying in Visalia overnight and back>to the show on Sunday morning, head back to SFO on Sunday pm.>PeterFor those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that I've ever had at a show!Dave _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 10 23:25:35 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:25:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <20050411062535.12155.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Great pictures Larry. The HSE (Health & Safety Executive) jobsworths in the UK would have that shut down before you could blink an eye. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Mon Apr 11 00:59:46 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:59:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. References: <000901c53cac$a7b278a0$56d13dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <02d301c53e6c$6f99fd00$210110ac@service> Hi Peter, i recall a artical on these engines in a older issue of TOMM, if you dont have it let me know ill have a look. Cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. > Please ..does any one have an elevation of the down draught carburettor on > these engines,i.e. the one with the overhead tank? > I am trying to determine the fuel level height in the float bowl having > rebuilt the carburettor, a new needle valve was made . A bit of guess work > required as to the length and the position of the float arm. > Thanks....... > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Apr 11 01:04:05 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:04:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction Message-ID: <041120050804.7414.425A2F7500013BDD00001CF621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Dave, Put me down for Two (2) people. Curt Andree > Hi All, > The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at > 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north end > of town. > Again this year we will be having the ATIS Charity Auction following the > meal. I trust that Glenn Karch will again be running the auction. Start > thinking now about what you might donate to the auction. Last year we > raised almost $3,000.00 for charity at this event. I'm hoping that we can > top that this year! (I understand that a patron of the arts will be > donating a FIXED MAYTAG and another person is thinking about FIXING a John > Deere tractor for the event!) > I talked to Ellen (at the Back 40) earlier this evening and told her > that > I'd give her a "count" for the dinner as the time drew near. I'd like to be > fairly accurate this year. Last year we had about 85 people at the dinner. > If you plan to join us for the dinner this year please let me know and let > me know how many will be in your party. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net Portland > happens in only 136 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes and 2 seconds. Don't be late! > Dave > rotigel at alltel.net > PS, If you already told me that you would be attending the dinner please do > so again. I'll start keeping a "count" tonight. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 11 02:34:08 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:34:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. References: <000901c53cac$a7b278a0$56d13dca@ogborneuah38i3> <02d301c53e6c$6f99fd00$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <000b01c53e79$a160d590$95b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Hello Chester........yes i found that article . I did not help ,what i am doing is adjusting the fuel level in the bowl. I will finally get it right ,just got to keep trying different levels . At the moment it is firing when i spin it over with a 12 v starter motor and belt drive ...just wont keep running. BTW did that picture of Bobs Newway help? ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. > Hi Peter, > i recall a artical on these engines in a older issue of TOMM, if you dont > have it let me know ill have a look. > Cheers, Chester. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. > > >> Please ..does any one have an elevation of the down draught carburettor >> on >> these engines,i.e. the one with the overhead tank? >> I am trying to determine the fuel level height in the float bowl having >> rebuilt the carburettor, a new needle valve was made . A bit of guess >> work >> required as to the length and the position of the float arm. >> Thanks....... >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 11 02:35:56 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:35:56 +0800 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <001901c53e79$e0d445e0$95b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry i mean's the American Machinist . ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Larry ,somewhere i have a copy of that book written by the original editor > or GEM.I must find it again as it is very interesting reading re early > machine shops > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Evans" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > > >> Hi.... >> >> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, >> loose and tight pulleys, etc. >> >> I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop >> that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line >> shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in >> California and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP >> Fairbanks Morse type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct >> current power for the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes >> from modern rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still >> capable of producing power. >> >> Take a look at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html >> >> Regards, >> >> Larry Evans >> Arcadia, Southern California, USA >> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 11 06:19:59 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:19:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> Larry great photos what looks strange there is the modern florescent lights. Last one i saw was in a shoe repair shop near home about 50 years ago. R Fink PA At 07:15 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi.... > >A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, >loose and tight pulleys, etc. > >I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop >that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line >shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California >and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse >type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for >the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern >rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of >producing power. > >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 04:07:07 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:07:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Kim Siddorn, our local tame Viking has just posted these superb pictures he took in a friends workshop a few years ago. All origional from the 1900's. See http://client.webshots.com/album/50005357muYpTM Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 11 04:32:52 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407214656.0d379508@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004a01c53e8a$34a03250$230110ac@PAUL> Dave put me down for one as I am going to do my best to be there. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction > Hi All, > The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at > 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north > end of town. > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 11 04:36:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:36:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with it that I have ever seen! Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Kim Siddorn, our local tame Viking has just posted these superb pictures > he took in a friends workshop a few years ago. > All origional from the 1900's. See > http://client.webshots.com/album/50005357muYpTM > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Apr 11 05:35:56 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:35:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <425A6F2C.3050600@steamengine.com.au> Use Firefox browser (now 19% of the market and growing - yay opensource :) and under Tools/Options/Web Features under the "Load Images" option, tick the box labelled "only from originating site". Makes a big difference with sites like webshots. Can be a bit annoying with ebay though as many people host their images someplace else. Paul R & M Ingold wrote: > Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with > it that I have ever seen! > Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 05:54:51 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net><000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <002601c53e95$a7fd4610$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with it > that I have ever seen! > Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? > Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, I don't see any ads at all even though it isn't my site. Perhaps its because I am a paid up webshots poster. Try my webshots below & see if you get the same adverts. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 11 06:12:26 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <42588622.1090507@earthlink.net> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> <42588622.1090507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2352.165.206.180.102.1113225146.squirrel@antique-engines.com> My agent flat out told me (and showed me) that I'm covered under homeowners IF I'm NOT paid to display. If I take my engines to a show, be it a formal show, or a parking lot, as long as I'm not paid to show, I'm covered if some moron loses a finger because their mama was a moron too and didn't teach her kids to not be stupid. Bill > Hi Dave, > > I had to give your response some thought. Not a big offer and you can > keep your nickel. If the day comes that we can meet and chat, I hope we > can share a couple barley pops and the first one is on me. > > EDGE&TA have fine insurance for member clubs, but they have ruffled some > feathers over the years. My club no longer belongs to that organization. > We do have good insurance with a group policy that covers some engine > clubs and a large number of tractor pullers in this part of the country. > The cost is five bucks a year and included in membership for club > members. We did have to make a revision of club policy at the last > meeting regarding insurance. Any family member can now be covered at > cost for $5. Pretty good deal in my opinion. > > For the record Dave and all, I am new to this hobby. I do try to > participate and make changes. New blood brings new ideas to any club and > that in my opinion is a good thing. That is why I am trying to put a > show together for folks to show engines for the simple pleasure of doing > so. I do look into the liability and insurance issues because > unfortunately I have to. I hope to have the policy online in the near > future for all club members. We do need to know where we stand on this > issue. BTW we are required to have one rope/fence. > > Jeff Allen > PS, When I was six a nickel and a Bon Ton bread wrapper got you into the > movie in Missoula on Saturday. The times are a changing. Sigh! > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> >>> My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not >>> we DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my >>> clubs VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more >>> members attend and it will be a club sanctioned event and full >>> liability insurance. Life is good. >>> Jeff Allen >> >> >> Hi Jeff, >> Life MAY not be all that good of someone is hurt. Unless your >> club is paying BIG BUCKS for insurance I would think that while the >> club (officers etc.) may be covered for liability the members ARE NOT! >> While your VP may believe what he has told you is true I would >> question it. Ask for the insurance agents name and phone number. Call >> him and ask if YOU will be covered if some idiot sticks his/her/it's >> hand in your flywheel and looses it. I'll bet you a nickle that he >> says "no." If he says "Yes" ask him to put that in writing. If he does >> I owe you a nickle. >> The only way I know of to really be safe is to join EDGE&TA >> and buy insurance through them. It's a GOOD deal for the price and >> then you can be sure that you have coverage! >> Dave >> PS, You can read about EDGE&TA and the insurance that they offer at: >> http://www.edgeta.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 11 06:13:38 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:13:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411091309.0d7bcbe8@mail.alltel.net> Great pictures Larry! Dave >Hi.... >A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, >loose and tight pulleys, etc. >I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop >that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line >shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California >and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse >type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for >the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern >rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of >producing power. >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html >Regards, >Larry Evans From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 11 06:17:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:17:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <20050411052959.98BBF394F@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050411052959.98BBF394F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411091435.0d7dc060@mail.alltel.net> At 01:29 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: > Dave the club is not called WAP. Its called WAPA and not all members are > Ittalans!!! I am amember and I am of German desent thank you, and I can,t > spell to good either .Thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- Gus, Are you sure of all of this? I'ma nota alla tat sure you knowa whata yu talka abouta! Dave PS, Did you know that most milkmen were Italian? From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 06:40:00 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:40:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1><008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <425A6F2C.3050600@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000401c53e9b$f682fe00$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Use Firefox browser (now 19% of the market and growing - yay opensource > :) and under Tools/Options/Web Features under the "Load Images" option, > tick the box labelled "only from originating site". Makes a big > difference with sites like webshots. Can be a bit annoying with ebay > though as many people host their images someplace else. > Paul > R & M Ingold wrote: > > Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with > > it that I have ever seen! > > Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? > > Reg & Marg Ingold. For further information I signed out from webshots & immediately got the adverts. I tried Firefox set to Paul's recommendations & the adverts mainly disappeared. Thanks for that advice Paul! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 07:01:59 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:01:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED Fllash Light, Home Made References: <200504110159.j3B1xeNv039218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005c01c53e9f$0a181600$f7ecf504@x8h7l9> Jim, I am going to take the easy way for me, as I have already generated instructions for the Minature application which I emailed directly to you beceause it is too long for here. If anyone else wants it, I can easily forward it. I also added more graphics the the web site; http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . Please ask if you still have questions. Correction; NTE can be found at http://www.nteinc.com/ . Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED > Hi Ed ,That's really neat. Could you please make a one drawing of the > circuitry Thanks Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED > > Paul, > > NTE has come out with some not so expensive white LEDs, $1.80 each. I made a > LED flash light by putting three of them, each with a 120 resister in series > on the end of some soft copper wire. I used a Radio Shack 4 C cell pack for > a stable base and bend the wire to put the light where I need it. It worked > great inspecting the inside of a gas tank last week. An image of it is at > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html and NTE can be found at > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . > > OT OT my sisters are into miniatures so I got them some of the white 3MM > ones. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > > > > John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. > Start > > saving your change... > > > > Paul Russell > > Riga, Michigan > > hit_n_miss at tc3net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 11 07:17:12 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:17:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time guys!! Very nice way to have coffee in the mornin' RickinMt. From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 07:50:14 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:50:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For George Message-ID: Rick, Don't know why you wouldn't have my email address. This email address "george_best at adp.com" should be in the message header. My home email is "irontrader at ispwest.com" if you need to reach me during hours I'm not at work. I've never had the caps off my Galloway since it was a good runner when I bought it. Has the best compression of any engine I have with zero leakage past the rings. I may have assummed incorrectly that Galloway used inserts for the main bearings. You're right that I wouldn't want to mangle the babbit and have to repour bearings on a perfectly good engine. I suppose a person could leave the babbit in when using them as a pattern, but that would mean extra machining to remove the extra castiron before pouring your new bearings. Off course then you'd have heavy duty main caps and need less babbit for the top bearings ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:23 PM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] For George > > Some reason I don't have your email address George. > > I do appreciate the offer on the roundrod main bearing > caps! But wouldn't one have to remove the babbitt in order > to get a pattern. These bearing caps have large holes not > drilled all the way through but just enough to secure the > babbitt. I feel one would ruin the babbitt insert trying to > remove it mechanically. The other half also. > > later George, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Apr 11 07:55:47 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:55:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <100.1137f129.2f8be9f3@aol.com> In a message dated 04/11/2005 6:44:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Great pictures Larry! I agree! These pictures brought back memories of my old high school machine shop. We had two lathes, a horizontal shaper, and a drill press being driven by an over head line shaft. This line shaft system was driven by an electrical motor. Over each lathe, there was a horizontal wooden bar which engaged the drive pulley. This bar had three positions: left -- reverse, right -- forward, and the center -- neutral. Again thanks for the pictures. They were good memory joggers. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 08:16:35 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:16:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: Jimmy, Don't go bad mouthing me, then come by wanting your W.A.I.T. pen ;-) George Ps... Maybe you were referring to Wayne ;-) Pss.. I'd better not say that, since Wayne's on this list too ;-) Psss. Maybe you meant it as a compliment. Yep, that must be it :-) > -----Original Message----- > There goes the neighbor hood! Cya Friday Jimmy and Pam > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > Jim, > > Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. > Hope to see you there. > > George Best From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 08:25:16 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: I don't have pictures setup to show it, but for people traveling in CA, go to the Bright nursery in LeGrand CA. Arthur Bright, the owner, has a nice tractor collection in a building that is open to the public. However, take a peak in the shop building next to the museum building. Years ago Mr Bright bought the entire lineshaft setup and machines from a old time machine shop. At one time this was a very impressive sight to see as he had everything hooked up an usable. Last time I was there the employees or someone had started storing stuff around the old machines and it was getting harder to a good view. If you're in Holland near where Harry lives, there is another private museum with a nice working lineshaft setup. This one is owned by a engine collector so the room with the lineshaft has a very nice collection of industrial size lineshaft engines. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 08:44:34 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:44:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? Message-ID: What's the biggest engine part you've lost? Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter and 10" long. A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be running off what the float bowl will hold. I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that there was a spring inside waiting to escape. WAIT George From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Apr 11 10:47:36 2005 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:47:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: Glad you got through it with minor pains. I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly normal physically again :) Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R Bryant Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM To: SEL List Subject: [SEL] Safety First Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 11 14:00:13 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:00:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411135533.01a64eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Glenn sorry to here about you illness get bet soon. Talking about safety and old machinery. I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety R Fink PA At 10:47 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >Glad you got through it with minor pains. > >I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves >but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government >would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. >Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do >not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom >that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel >of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. > >Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. > >PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, >or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing >quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly >normal physically again :) > >Glenn Wilson > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R >Bryant >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM >To: SEL List >Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > >Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 > >"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and > thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting >large engines. > I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior >which > we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new >propane > regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts >that held the main >bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all >the cams up >this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My >being an old >timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine >had just a little >too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the >next spoke >with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it >feels to be >shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the >exhaust >pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about >15 minutes >I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were >in the right place. >They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER >PUT BOTH >FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has >one" >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 11 14:05:46 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:05:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411140026.01a985c0@mail.pennswoods.net> George i had a odd loss last week not large, i was mounting a blade on my 39 Cat R2. After fitting the metal pipes i removed them to paint. When taking them off i dropped a hold down bracket 3 ft up from the floor straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging in mid air but can not see it.????????? R Fink PA At 08:44 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > >Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare >ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine >it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small >gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter >and 10" long. > >A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it >somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > >You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that >I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > >Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be >running off what the float bowl will hold. > >I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball >which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that >there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 11:41:12 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:41:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Guy and gals, Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me home Sunday. Care to take a guess? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is complete. P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Apr 11 12:02:33 2005 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:02:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411135533.01a64eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: I am ALL FOR safety - just not safety FIRST - and in front of freedom. If you take safety to the limit, you will have no freedom to do anything. You would Never be able to drive over 30MPH if you even could drive, you'd not be able to ever make a left hand turn anywhere etc. Already, we can not by Oxycodone, or Percacet without paying a doctor even though these are two Very Very excellent pain killers with minimal side affects. Why? Because the "system" doesn't trust us, some of us would misuse them so they made a law that these are to be considered narcotics and monitored closely. In reality, if people would behave and only take them when they got their fingers in the punch press, or took at 6 turn tumble with a flywheel etc...... we wouldn't have this extra "safety" crap thrown on top of obtaining these drugs. I keep a few on hand just in case but they are Tough to get for sure! Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First Glenn sorry to here about you illness get bet soon. Talking about safety and old machinery. I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety R Fink PA At 10:47 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >Glad you got through it with minor pains. > >I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves >but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government >would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. >Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do >not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom >that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel >of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. > >Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. > >PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, >or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing >quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly >normal physically again :) > >Glenn Wilson > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R >Bryant >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM >To: SEL List >Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > >Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 > >"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and > thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting >large engines. > I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior >which > we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new >propane > regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts >that held the main >bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all >the cams up >this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My >being an old >timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine >had just a little >too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the >next spoke >with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it >feels to be >shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the >exhaust >pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about >15 minutes >I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were >in the right place. >They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER >PUT BOTH >FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has >one" >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Apr 11 12:00:42 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? References: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009001c53ec8$c2ae20a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Curt, I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. I also think that it might be an to easy project for you, and if you feel bored by the engine you are free to ship it over to Holland;-) Wow what a GREAT find Curt. This engine has everything you want in an engine! Oh..... I like the 3 ball flyball governor as well;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? > Guy and gals, > Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me home Sunday. > Care to take a guess? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is > complete. > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Apr 11 12:05:42 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:05:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504111905.j3BJ5rmI072737@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> George, Glad your coming down so I can pay you next years ransom! OH! Flying "J"s are the best fuel depots around here. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Tulare Jimmy, Don't go bad mouthing me, then come by wanting your W.A.I.T. pen ;-) George Ps... Maybe you were referring to Wayne ;-) Pss.. I'd better not say that, since Wayne's on this list too ;-) Psss. Maybe you meant it as a compliment. Yep, that must be it :-) > -----Original Message----- > There goes the neighbor hood! Cya Friday Jimmy and Pam > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > Jim, > > Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. > Hope to see you there. > > George Best _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 12:20:16 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$ 0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> Michael Tucker wrote: > We'll know more tomorrow about the tag because Curt is going to be at > the gents place that has this engine and he is going to look it over > and take some pictures. Stay tuned for more details......... > > Mike Mike, The only Osborne I believe I have seen was a vertical engine. You can imagine my surprise when I saw the 4HP Horizontal "Famous/Titan" looking blue engine. The tag makes no reference to the Titan or Famous lines. Here is the tag picture: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Tag.jpg Here is a shot of the front of the engine. No doubt this is original paint! http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Front.jpg And finally a look at the flywheel showing the 2 bolt flywheels. Earlier??? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Flywheels.jpg With that said, it is interesting that there is no hot tube boss on the top of the cylinder. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 12:33:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:33:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank >Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank >unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety >R Fink >PA > > Richard, What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one of the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb tractor designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on the crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. Here is a picture of one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 12:45:09 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:45:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: Curt, Harry, beat me to it, but I agree that it's an Alamo. Very nice engine, I wouldn't mind having one like that myself! Congrats on finding a nice engine. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Harry Terpstra > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > > Curt, > I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. > I also think that it might be an to easy project for you, and > if you feel bored by the engine you are free to ship it over > to Holland;-) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 11 12:46:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> References: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Man, I feel your pain. AND I can help!! No one should suffer these days with a hole in the head! Just set that new project off to the side. I'll make arrangements to pick it up. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 11 12:34:55 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:34:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: <20050411.155205.716.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Nice find. (Some people have all the luck.) P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! Send it here, I'll take care of it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 11 12:31:08 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:31:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? Message-ID: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging in mid air but can not see it.????????? = = = = = = = Hi Rich, Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? Happens here every day. I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. Lost it last year. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 12:55:09 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:55:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Message-ID: Curt, I'm going to have ask you to take this off topic FATG stuff over to the tractor list ;-) Just kidding..... :-) After all tractors are just mobile stationary engines. The Field Marshall tractor I have is also one of the more unusual starting tractors. I start it with a 12 guage starting shell. George > -----Original Message----- > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Apr 11 13:06:23 2005 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:06:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. Wayne Thackery Salem, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:41 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Guy and gals, Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me home Sunday. Care to take a guess? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is complete. P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 13:18:21 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:18:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <009001c53ec8$c2ae20a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Hi Curt, She's a beauty!! I agree with Harry on the Alamo. A neighbor just up the road has an Alamo that looks just like that. If I remember right the gear on the governor was made of some sort of fibrous material. Did you get the engine from another collector or was it a barnyard find? >From the NAMES Expo in 2003: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0351.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0353.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0354.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Harry Terpstra > >Curt, >I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" > > Care to take a guess? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 13:26:57 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:26:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000a01c53ed4$d0678040$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Snip > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most interesting starter. It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever at the end of the groove. You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel drops out of the groove letting the de-compressor release. Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine over compression. Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 13:28:35 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:28:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425ADDF3.9030102@imc-group.com> George, Was the 12 ga. starting shell used on diesel or gas burning FM tractors? This Field Marshall was at the Narracoorte show. Curt Best, George wrote: > >The Field Marshall tractor I have is also one of the more unusual >starting tractors. I start it with a 12 guage starting shell. > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 14:36:39 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:36:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Message-ID: The Field Marshall is a 1 cylinder 2 cycle diesel. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > > George, > Was the 12 ga. starting shell used on diesel or gas burning > FM tractors? > > This Field Marshall was at the Narracoorte show. > /Australia2005%20449.jpg> > > Curt From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 14:39:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:39:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Message-ID: > Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most > interesting starter. > It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. > You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever > at the end of the groove. > You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel > drops out of the groove > letting the de-compressor release. > Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine > over compression. > Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! > Dave Croft Dave, That's why I use the starting shells! I've only tried to hand crank mine a few times and don't feel comfortable with that big two handed crank. Manual says to "crank it smartly". Using the shell is smarter if you ask me ;-) George From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 14:39:48 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:39:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <425AEEA4.6030906@imc-group.com> Wayne, I think it is a 5HP. Will have to double check on the tag. It is tray cooled. This has got to be the heaviest 5HP engine I've ever handled! I can't imagine the kind of beast a 9HP would be! Pretty sharp bunch here! Harry, George, Luke, Arnie, Joe, and you guessed it right off. Sure glad to know there are a few Alamo owners on this list. I'm sure there will be lots of questions when starting to reassemble it. Curt Wayne Thackery wrote: >Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. > >Wayne Thackery >Salem, Oregon > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 11 14:54:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:54:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, interesting engine with that blue paint, would say that it was sold by an Osborne dealer. I can't see the serial # very clearly, do you know what it is? The engine tag reads IHC and after 1906 they used the Famous name so it could be an early one. Thought the serial letter is a "R" like R 1xxx. The two bolt flywheel was used 1906-17 as the parts book says. Help us with that "burning" Q about the serial #. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Mike, > The only Osborne I believe I have seen was a vertical engine. You can > imagine my surprise when I saw the 4HP Horizontal "Famous/Titan" looking > blue engine. The tag makes no reference to the Titan or Famous lines. > Here is the tag picture: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Tag.jpg > > Here is a shot of the front of the engine. No doubt this is original paint! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Front.jpg > > And finally a look at the flywheel showing the 2 bolt flywheels. Earlier??? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Flywheels.jpg > > With that said, it is interesting that there is no hot tube boss on the > top of the cylinder. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 11 15:03:34 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:03:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004c01c53ee2$51bda040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> The Italian Landini and the German Lanz for example. John H. > To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on the > crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. > Here is a picture of one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg > > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Apr 11 15:22:08 2005 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:22:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AEEA4.6030906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006301c53ee4$e7460b00$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Curt, I'm not sure what the 9 HP weights but do know it has plenty of gravity! In my opinion these were more of an industrial engine. The walking beam exhaust lever also operates the fuel pump, igniter and intake anti slobber lever. Mine is a excellent runner and starts very easy. Wayne Thackery Salem Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:40 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? Wayne, I think it is a 5HP. Will have to double check on the tag. It is tray cooled. This has got to be the heaviest 5HP engine I've ever handled! I can't imagine the kind of beast a 9HP would be! Pretty sharp bunch here! Harry, George, Luke, Arnie, Joe, and you guessed it right off. Sure glad to know there are a few Alamo owners on this list. I'm sure there will be lots of questions when starting to reassemble it. Curt Wayne Thackery wrote: >Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. > >Wayne Thackery >Salem, Oregon > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 15:54:20 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:54:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: Message-ID: <002901c53ee9$66f6ce80$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > > Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most > > interesting starter. > > It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. > > You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever > > at the end of the groove. > > You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel > > drops out of the groove > > letting the de-compressor release. > > Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine > > over compression. > > Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! > > Dave Croft > > Dave, > That's why I use the starting shells! > I've only tried to hand crank mine a few times and don't feel > comfortable with that big two handed crank. Manual says to "crank it > smartly". > Using the shell is smarter if you ask me ;-) > George Hi George, don't forget we are tight fisted Englishmen Who would rather take a bit of a risk rather than spend money on the cartridge Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 11 16:07:21 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:07:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200504112307.j3BN7NSM036926@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Guy and gals, > Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me > home Sunday. > Care to take a guess? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is > complete. > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! That's gorgeous, dude. Absolutely gorgeous. From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon Apr 11 17:15:56 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Heck I went to the store one day and when I came out I couldn't find my truck. I hunted all over the parking lot and was just about ready to call the police when I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging > in > mid air but can not see it.????????? > = = = = = = = > Hi Rich, > Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? > Happens here every day. > I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. > Lost it last year. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 > > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Apr 11 17:08:53 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:08:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: 224615601 Message-ID: <011801c53ef3$d3b3d400$0201010a@Portable> They also have a tube that screws into the head that takes a piece of smouldering paper.That helps fire it on the first compression. First up in the morning when the oil was a bit thick me and my brother would get on each side of the handle and with enough effort she would be away. On a frosty morning you had no hope and a cartridge was used. I still have a couple of new cartridges with the Field Marshall emblem on them. With the Bulldogs I don't remember using the steering wheel to start. I think the ones I used all had the flywheel covers removed.We just grabbed hold of the flywheel and rocked it between compressions. You had to do it right as they would sometimes fire on the wrong compression and run backwards. It was always amusing to ask someone to climb up and move the tractor. The forward gears became reverse gears and there was always a look of surprise as the tractor shot of backwards. For the more experianced if the air from the radiater fan was blowing in your face you knew it was going the wrong way. It was easy to hold the fuel lever shut until the engine slowed enough to bounce off the last compression and then give it fuel and away it would go in the right direction. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:39 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > >> Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most >> interesting starter. >> It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. >> You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever >> at the end of the groove. >> You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel >> drops out of the groove >> letting the de-compressor release. >> Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine >> over compression. >> Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! >> Dave Croft > > Dave, > > That's why I use the starting shells! > > I've only tried to hand crank mine a few times and don't feel > comfortable with that big two handed crank. Manual says to "crank it > smartly". > > Using the shell is smarter if you ask me ;-) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Apr 11 17:18:07 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:18:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? References: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001f01c53ef5$1c8d7770$5086a5d8@mycomputer> Aw Heck ! you guys always want somtin for notin , I'll trade three running Tags and one Briggs L for it ! Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > Hi Curt, > > Man, I feel your pain. AND I can help!! No one should suffer these days > with a hole in the head! Just set that new project off to the side. I'll > make arrangements to pick it up. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 11 18:10:36 2005 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c53efc$70b44430$6401a8c0@TBerry> Last year I removed the crank gear from my Rumely model L crank.It has not been seen since. I have placed a 50 dollar bounty on it for all employees in the shop. They have looked, I have have looked, No gear!Not even a blood trail.Tommy Berry -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? What's the biggest engine part you've lost? Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter and 10" long. A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be running off what the float bowl will hold. I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that there was a spring inside waiting to escape. WAIT George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 18:31:10 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:31:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: Message-ID: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> You are young and can get through all of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First > Glad you got through it with minor pains. > > I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves > but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government > would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. > Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do > not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom > that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel > of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. > > Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. > > PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, > or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing > quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly > normal physically again :) > > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R > Bryant > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM > To: SEL List > Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > > Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 > > "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and > thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting > large engines. > I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior > which > we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new > propane > regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts > that held the main > bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised > all > the cams up > this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My > being an old > timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine > had just a little > too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the > next spoke > with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it > feels to be > shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the > exhaust > pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After > about > 15 minutes > I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys > were > in the right place. > They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. > NEVER > PUT BOTH > FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone > has > one" > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 11 19:35:17 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:35:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425B33E5.5090507@wightman.ca> Hi Curt, That is the same method you would use to start my John Deere when the battery died. I have never tried it. Duncan Curt wrote: > I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank > >> Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank >> unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety >> R Fink >> PA >> >> > Richard, > What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one > of the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb > tractor designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) > > To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on > the crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. > Here is a picture of one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg > > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 18:39:27 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:39:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <000001c53efc$70b44430$6401a8c0@TBerry> Message-ID: Tommy, Has my brother been visiting your shop again? The other cloistered oyster brother. >From: "Tommy Berry" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:36 -0400 > >Last year I removed the crank gear from my Rumely model L crank.It has not >been seen since. I have placed a 50 dollar bounty on it for all employees >in >the shop. They have looked, I have have looked, No gear!Not even a blood >trail.Tommy Berry > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George >Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:45 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > >What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > >Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare >ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine >it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small >gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter >and 10" long. > >A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it >somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > >You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that >I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > >Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be >running off what the float bowl will hold. > >I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball >which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that >there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 18:49:11 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bugger George, Why do you have to bring up a question like that???? Mean you are!!!! 8>)) Right now I sure would like to know where I last laid down the mixer for my Cushman model 21 type X. Or actually the main body of it. I have some of the bits. I had it apart to make a new shaft for the butterfly valve and aftre I cut a thin slot in a piece of brass rod the main body got lost around here some place. I bought the Famous Worl Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers hoping they would wander around here and fined the mixer, but instead they are just sitting in there box waiting to walk around the Buckley Swap meet with me looking for new toys soon. Alan Bowen --- "Best, George" wrote: > What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > > Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare > ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine > it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small > gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter > and 10" long. > > A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it > somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > > You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that > I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > > Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be > running off what the float bowl will hold. > > I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball > which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that > there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 11 19:07:28 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:07:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> I'm not sure. Many people die young! Dave PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >You are young and can get through all of it. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 19:08:36 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:08:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: <410-2200542122836796@earthlink.net> Hey Luke, That model of the Alamo was built by a good friend of mine. He made 2 of them. Copied them right off the full size. > [Original Message] > From: Luke Tonneberger > To: > Date: 4/11/2005 3:18:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > > Hi Curt, > > She's a beauty!! I agree with Harry on the Alamo. A neighbor just up the > road has an Alamo that looks just like that. If I remember right the gear on > the governor was made of some sort of fibrous material. Did you get the > engine from another collector or was it a barnyard find? > > >From the NAMES Expo in 2003: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0351.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0353.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0354.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================== > >From: Harry Terpstra > > > >Curt, > >I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. > > > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Annaparochie > >Netherlands > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > > > Care to take a guess? > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > > Curt Holland > > > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 19:40:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:40:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> Best way to find those lost parts is forget about them. Once you cease to amuse them they come out of hiding and you usually trip over them. Jeff Allen Alan Bowen wrote: >Bugger George, >Why do you have to bring up a question like that???? >Mean you are!!!! >8>)) > >Right now I sure would like to know where I last laid down the mixer for my Cushman model 21 type >X. Or actually the main body of it. I have some of the bits. I had it apart to make a new shaft >for the butterfly valve and aftre I cut a thin slot in a piece of brass rod the main body got lost >around here some place. I bought the Famous Worl Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers hoping they >would wander around here and fined the mixer, but instead they are just sitting in there box >waiting to walk around the Buckley Swap meet with me looking for new toys soon. > >Alan Bowen > >--- "Best, George" wrote: > > >>What's the biggest engine part you've lost? >> >>Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare >>ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine >>it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small >>gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter >>and 10" long. >> >>A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it >>somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. >> >>You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that >>I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( >> >>Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be >>running off what the float bowl will hold. >> >>I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball >>which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that >>there was a spring inside waiting to escape. >> >>WAIT George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Apr 11 20:00:52 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:00:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4398fb432c88c5c86d9e5a15f0911f3d@chartertn.net> > I'm not sure. Many people die young! Billy Joel said that only the good die young. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 11 20:02:42 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:02:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: Message-ID: <006501c53f0c$1950a480$98668645@carolina.rr.com> That would offend me if it wasn't so true! Mike "oyster" Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > Tommy, Has my brother been visiting your shop again? The other cloistered > oyster brother. > > >From: "Tommy Berry" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >Subject: RE: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:36 -0400 > > > >Last year I removed the crank gear from my Rumely model L crank.It has not > >been seen since. I have placed a 50 dollar bounty on it for all employees > >in > >the shop. They have looked, I have have looked, No gear!Not even a blood > >trail.Tommy Berry > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George > >Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:45 AM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > > > >What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > > > >Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare > >ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine > >it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small > >gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter > >and 10" long. > > > >A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it > >somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > > > >You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that > >I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > > > >Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be > >running off what the float bowl will hold. > > > >I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball > >which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that > >there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > > > >WAIT George > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Apr 11 20:09:52 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:09:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question Message-ID: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com> Hi List, On the Fairbanks Morse ZD, there is a compensating valve mounted on the intake of the mixer. The International LB also has a compensating valve in the air intake circuit. Both are similar in construction. They look like a large check valve with a few holes in the movable spring loaded plate. I know that the Fairbanks Morse ZD will NOT run with the valve removed. At least, that is my experience. I removed the compensating valve assembly as the engine was running and it quit on me. What is the theory in the use of this compensating valve? It seems that this device acts as a partial choke to increase fuel flow into the mixer. The other thing that I wonder about is how the original engine designer/builder discovered that this device was needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 11 20:28:05 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:28:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? References: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <425AEEA4.6030906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004801c53f0f$a4aeb6e0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> I suspect that engine came from the mountains of NC. I do believe I saw it last month, right Curt? Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > Wayne, > I think it is a 5HP. Will have to double check on the tag. It is tray > cooled. This has got to be the heaviest 5HP engine I've ever handled! I > can't imagine the kind of beast a 9HP would be! > Pretty sharp bunch here! Harry, George, Luke, Arnie, Joe, and you > guessed it right off. > Sure glad to know there are a few Alamo owners on this list. I'm sure > there will be lots of questions when starting to reassemble it. > Curt > > Wayne Thackery wrote: > > >Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. > > > >Wayne Thackery > >Salem, Oregon > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 11 20:46:20 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:46:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> References: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <425B448C.1020104@scrtc.com> I was taking a Hagan engine to Portland in '97 as they featured Kentucky Built engines. I had been working on it a few nights before and had the carb off. I didn't tighten the set screws that held it on when I placed it back on the engine. On the way to Portland it came off and between here and there, bounced off the trailer. What makes the Hagan engine is the carb. I was sick. But, luckily, I had a NOS one that I got from Saunier Brothers when I purchased all their Hagan parts. I tighten all set screws now! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 11 20:53:20 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:53:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Junk Message-ID: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> Just got this one. It needs some TLC but it will be worth the work. This is an early "Sumner" engine. Later they were tagged "F.M. Watkins". I don't know all the details but evidently Sumner began building the engines in Covington, KY. Watkins either bought the company or bought the rights to manufacture the engine. Watkins continued to make them in KY for a period of time after the acquisition. Here are a couple of photos of the engine and then some accompanying info: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496722&f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496724&f=0 Here is an 1895 Sumner Ad: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497336&f=0 Here is an 1899 Watkins Ad (I think they used the Sumner engine engraving from '95): http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497338&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 11 22:20:21 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:20:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050412052022.27908.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Best way to find those lost parts is forget about them. Once you cease > to amuse them they come out of hiding and you usually trip over them. and then you can't remember what they came off in the first place. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 12 01:59:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:59:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question References: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> The purpose of the compensating air valve is to insure the correct percentage of fuel in the mixture, regardless of whether the engine is running fast or slow, under full load or idle. The suction of fuel varies with the speed of the piston and the opening in the air intake pipe. The compensating valve compensates for such conditions. I think he found it experimentally after some different designs and constructions. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > What is the theory in the use of this compensating valve? It seems that > this device acts as a partial choke to increase fuel flow into the mixer. The > other thing that I wonder about is how the original engine designer/builder > discovered that this device was needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on this > subject? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 03:02:28 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:02:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <200504112307.j3BN7NSM036926@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Very nice engine dont find to many like that in oz Dave >From: "Rob Skinner" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Guess that engine? >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:07:21 -0700 > > > Guy and gals, > > Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me > > home Sunday. > > Care to take a guess? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is > > complete. > > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! > > >That's gorgeous, dude. >Absolutely gorgeous. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Buy want you really want - sell what you don't on eBay: http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/705-10129-5668-323?ID=2 From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Apr 12 06:57:54 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:57:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050412065605.01aaaeb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Joe i bet they are hanging side by side in the air some ware. When you find yours will you send me mine. Ha Ha. R Fink At 12:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging >in >mid air but can not see it.????????? >= = = = = = = >Hi Rich, >Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? >Happens here every day. >I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. >Lost it last year. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Apr 12 07:02:35 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:02:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070044.01aae210@mail.pennswoods.net> Charlie i think they call that CRS. It happens to every one sooner or later and some more often. HA Ha R Fink At 05:15 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >Heck I went to the store one day and when I came out I couldn't find my >truck. >I hunted all over the parking lot and was just about ready to call the >police when I remembered I >had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. > >Charlie From froberts at dodo.com.au Tue Apr 12 04:02:55 2005 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:02:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Us blatant Aussies References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001401c53f4f$2f47ad40$8384dccb@fredh7ayyr9wmp> Hello Curt. As the old saying goes necessity is the mother of invention, but when that fails, and to quote you Curt [us Aussies blatantly copy],but you must agree we come up with the goods. Your new engine looks a beauty and was certainly built to last. Regards Fred ----- Origi nal Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > Richard, > What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one of > the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb tractor > designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Apr 12 07:11:34 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:11:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070620.01a9e860@mail.pennswoods.net> Don't think that nonsense Glenn only the good die young. Please don't take this the wrong way. You are in more prayers than you could only dream of. R Fink At 07:07 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >I'm not sure. Many people die young! > Dave >PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! > >At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>You are young and can get through all of it. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 12 04:33:05 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:33:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake><6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070620.01a9e860@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <005501c53f53$66f820e0$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Guys I must have missed the original post, do we have a List member with a serious health problem that needs our support and prayers, if so please let me know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First > Don't think that nonsense Glenn only the good die young. Please don't > take this the wrong way. You are in more prayers than you could only dream > of. > R Fink > > > > > At 07:07 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>I'm not sure. Many people die young! >> Dave >>PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! >> >>At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>>You are young and can get through all of it. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 12 05:25:21 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:25:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question In-Reply-To: <000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com> <000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <425BBE31.8060306@imc-group.com> John, I too have a question about the compensating air valve on the Fairbanks engines. We have a stand alone Fairbanks engine and air compressor used to build air pressure to start the big Fairbanks at our show grounds. We have cranked on that that little engine until there are several bloody hands. Then one of us will finally recall that the throttle plate has to be manually held closed or near closed. It will start instantly then. At rest the governor spring will hold the throttle plate wide open, and I cannot imagine FM intended as part of the starting procedure to hold the throttle closed manually. Can you venture a guess as to what might be wrong so we might correct the problem? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >The purpose of the compensating air valve is to insure the correct >percentage of fuel in the mixture, regardless of whether the engine >is running fast or slow, under full load or idle. The suction of fuel >varies with the speed of the piston and the opening in the air intake >pipe. The compensating valve compensates for such conditions. >I think he found it experimentally after some different designs and >constructions. > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Tue Apr 12 05:38:22 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:38:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake><6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070620.01a9e860@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <001c01c53f5c$8388d110$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Glen , Richard is right. You are and will be in more prayers than you could only dream of. After my "tune up" the Dr. told me I would live to be 102. I didn't believe him but after I found out all the prayers there were out there for me I now beleive he might be right. What I am sure we all want is healthy years. Rememeber one thing Glen, trouble shooting the systems of the human body is basically the same as trouble shooting the systems of a tractor, automobile, airplane or engine. From experience I have found Drs. and surgeons skilled in there field but really lacking in trouble shooting abilities. So just trouble shoot along with them and don't be afraid to ask questions. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First > Don't think that nonsense Glenn only the good die young. Please don't > take this the wrong way. You are in more prayers than you could only dream > of. > R Fink > > > > > At 07:07 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>I'm not sure. Many people die young! >> Dave >>PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! >> >>At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>>You are young and can get through all of it. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 4/11/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 4/11/2005 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 12 06:14:09 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:14:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover Engine Message-ID: <200504121314.j3CDEGtJ027235@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> If anyone can help Earl please reply to him direct at the address below. Patrick M Livingstone _____ From: earl feil [mailto:feil1525 at wvi.com] HI I have A Stover Engine Co. Freeport, IL. 1 1/2 HP 600 RPM. the # onthe plate is 196-762. The motor is in very good condition execpt it need a new paint job. Where can I find what it is worth ? I have had this motor over 60 years, Can you tell me where In find a telephone # or address of the Stover Engine co. Earl feil 1525 Ewald ave. se salem OR. 97302-1634 email feil1525 at wvi.com From shop at cccomm.net Tue Apr 12 06:46:43 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:46:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <016f01c53f66$0ff9f260$6401a8c0@Shop> Try landing at LAX at 2 AM after a long transpacific flight lugging 2-40 pound suitcases and forgetting which parking garage you car is in. Took me more than an hour........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging > in > mid air but can not see it.????????? > = = = = = = = > Hi Rich, > Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? > Happens here every day. > I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. > Lost it last year. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 12 07:54:14 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:54:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? Message-ID: Tommy's posting about losing the Hagan carb while transporting his Hagan engine, prompted this next thread. I haven't lost anything as exotic as a Hagan carb. I have lost a radiator cap off of a Fordson I was hauling. Lost a seat cushion off a John Deere MC I was hauling. Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Judge Tommy Turner > I was taking a Hagan engine to Portland in '97 as they > featured Kentucky Built engines. I had been working on it a > few nights before and had the carb off. I didn't tighten the > set screws that held it on when I placed it back on the > engine. On the way to Portland it came off and between here > and there, bounced off the trailer. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 12 08:04:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:04:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Junk In-Reply-To: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> References: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <425BE392.3080607@imc-group.com> Tommy, Very nice piece, especially with the governor sitting up high. At the front of the water jacket is a boss. On your engine photos it looks like it is plugged. On the ads it looks like there is a fancy compression release in that location or perhaps a thermostat? Do you know what it is? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Just got this one. It needs some TLC but it will be worth the work. > This is an early "Sumner" engine. Later they were tagged "F.M. > Watkins". I don't know all the details but evidently Sumner began > building the engines in Covington, KY. Watkins either bought the > company or bought the rights to manufacture the engine. Watkins > continued to make them in KY for a period of time after the > acquisition. Here are a couple of photos of the engine and then some > accompanying info: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496722&f=0 > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496724&f=0 > > > Here is an 1895 Sumner Ad: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497336&f=0 > > > Here is an 1899 Watkins Ad (I think they used the Sumner engine > engraving from '95): > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497338&f=0 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Apr 12 09:09:08 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:09:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Junk In-Reply-To: <425BE392.3080607@imc-group.com> References: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> <425BE392.3080607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425BF2A4.4090401@scrtc.com> Curt, The opening goes into the combustion chamber and was, I assume, where a priming cup would go. I've got some additional Watkins ads and a few show it plugged and others have a priming cup. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > Very nice piece, especially with the governor sitting up high. > At the front of the water jacket is a boss. On your engine photos it > looks like it is plugged. > On the ads it looks like there is a fancy compression release in that > location or perhaps a thermostat? Do you know what it is? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Just got this one. It needs some TLC but it will be worth the work. >> This is an early "Sumner" engine. Later they were tagged "F.M. >> Watkins". I don't know all the details but evidently Sumner began >> building the engines in Covington, KY. Watkins either bought the >> company or bought the rights to manufacture the engine. Watkins >> continued to make them in KY for a period of time after the >> acquisition. Here are a couple of photos of the engine and then some >> accompanying info: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496722&f=0 >> >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496724&f=0 >> >> >> Here is an 1895 Sumner Ad: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497336&f=0 >> >> >> Here is an 1899 Watkins Ad (I think they used the Sumner engine >> engraving from '95): >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497338&f=0 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:33:45 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:33:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I lost the choke plate off of my Stover KE 1.5hp while going down the highway. Was a small part, but still made me pretty upset. I have a piece of a canning lid that I use now for the choke plate. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============================== >From: "Best, George" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:54:14 -0500 > >Tommy's posting about losing the Hagan carb while transporting his Hagan >engine, prompted this next thread. > >I haven't lost anything as exotic as a Hagan carb. > >I have lost a radiator cap off of a Fordson I was hauling. > >Lost a seat cushion off a John Deere MC I was hauling. > >Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have >gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose >that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to >make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. > >George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Judge Tommy Turner > > > I was taking a Hagan engine to Portland in '97 as they > > featured Kentucky Built engines. I had been working on it a > > few nights before and had the carb off. I didn't tighten the > > set screws that held it on when I placed it back on the > > engine. On the way to Portland it came off and between here > > and there, bounced off the trailer. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 12 09:55:02 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:55:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question References: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com><000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425BBE31.8060306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000901c53f80$61f977b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, I'm not so familiar with Fairbanks, but I guess that the compensating valve doesn't close properly or sticks somewhere. The air stream is to open than and you loose your vacuum because the cylinder is already full of air at any part of the stroke. When someone close the throttle plate you get vacuum and the fuel sucks into the cylinder and the engine starts as you say. Mostly there is a spring behind the compensating valve, maybe it is broken or to weak. John H. > John, > I too have a question about the compensating air valve on the Fairbanks > engines. We have a stand alone Fairbanks engine and air compressor used > to build air pressure to start the big Fairbanks at our show grounds. > We have cranked on that that little engine until there are several > bloody hands. Then one of us will finally recall that the throttle plate > has to be manually held closed or near closed. It will start instantly > then. At rest the governor spring will hold the throttle plate wide > open, and I cannot imagine FM intended as part of the starting procedure > to hold the throttle closed manually. > Can you venture a guess as to what might be wrong so we might correct > the problem? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > John Hammink wrote: > > >The purpose of the compensating air valve is to insure the correct > >percentage of fuel in the mixture, regardless of whether the engine > >is running fast or slow, under full load or idle. The suction of fuel > >varies with the speed of the piston and the opening in the air intake > >pipe. The compensating valve compensates for such conditions. > >I think he found it experimentally after some different designs and > >constructions. > > > >John Hammink > >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 12 09:56:53 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:56:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? References: Message-ID: <000601c53f80$a1fe5290$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? > Tommy's posting about losing the Hagan carb while transporting his Hagan > engine, prompted this next thread. > I haven't lost anything as exotic as a Hagan carb. > I have lost a radiator cap off of a Fordson I was hauling. > Lost a seat cushion off a John Deere MC I was hauling. > Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have > gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose > that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to > make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. > George Hi George, about 25 years ago amongst my engines I had an aircooled on a small wheeled trolly. I wished to put it away for the winter so I put it in the back of my Caravanette & as it was light & only a short trip I put it against the rear doors held in place with a couple of elasticated luggage straps round the towbar. Rear of vehicle shown below. (the trailor wasn't fitted). http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/321010678ukwmpi On the way an idiot drove out in front of me so I had to brake hard. The engine ran forward to the front of the vehicle stretching the straps. When I had stopped the straps fired the engine backwards bursting the rear doors open. Thank heavens no-one was behind me and the engine stopped in the middle of the road about 20 yards away. I never tried that again! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Apr 12 10:29:50 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> I partially lost a Stover KE...Went to a show...ran engines all day...loaded up and went home...2 blocks from home, After stopping for a redlight, made a right turn with the trailer and all of a sudden, the stover decided to hang itself off the driver's side of the trailer and freewheel. one of the cinch straps had broke (I no longer use that syle of strap) and it decided it wanted to break free...The oiler was broken off, fuel filler, one governor weight broken, bent crank on mag side, Ek mag also had some damage to the pull....Engine now sits in storage waiting for work to occur on it some later date... I may have lost an empty gas can as well, but it may be suspended in the garage somewhere... Steve --- "Best, George" wrote: > > Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have > gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose > that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to > make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. > > George From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 12 11:29:56 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:29:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> I was rotating the tires on the wifes car one day. I rolled the front tire to the back and the rear tire to the front where I proceced to mount it on the car. While tightening it down I heard a strange noise outside that I pretty much ignored. When I went to put the tire on the back, it wasn't in the shop. I looked for 2-3 minutes before I remembereed the noise. It was a splashing sound just like a tire makes when it rolls out of the shop, across the road, into the pasture and landing in the creek!!!! Another recent lost part experience came while having my 3 year old help while working on an old engine. Letting them help is fine provided you don't step away to another part of the shop. I finally got down to his eye level and found my part. John From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Apr 12 12:57:56 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:57:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <425C2844.6090606@scrtc.com> I remember Jerry Toews of KS coming to the Waukee Swap meet several years ago with a load of engines to sell. He had about a 3 HPon the back corner of his trailer. Jerry had just arrived and a guy came up and said he was interested in the engine on the back corner and wanted to know if Jerry had the other flywheel for it. Sure enough, one flywheel slipped off on the way to Waukee. I think Jerry gave a big discount. Ralph (Buck) Goodlett lost an entire engine once after he left Portland. Buck stopped for gas and went to the restroom. He came out and paid for the gas and then proceeded down the highway. He looked back and noticed a chain dragging and that a small engine he had on the corner of the trailer was missing. He hit his brakes and a 8 HP engine on trucks came off the front of the trailer and into the back of his pickup. It went through the tailgate. He thinks that the engine was stolen while he was in the restroom and they didn't have time to re-hook the chain. As a result, the big engine on trucks was free to roll to the front when he hit his brakes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Apr 12 13:28:24 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? In-Reply-To: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58092.199.62.0.252.1113337704.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> a long time ago i was pulling a 16' tandem trailer empty with an old buick and after going over a good size bump on the freeway, the tongue jack post hit the road and unhitched the trailer from the car. the safety chains held but i can still see the vision in the rear view mirror of the trailer sideways up on 2 wheels as it gyrated before i got it stopped. marv in minn From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Apr 12 15:03:29 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:03:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CRS Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. >>>Charlie While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 12 16:30:22 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:30:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question Message-ID: <3rr769$vpnc7n@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> > I too have a question about the compensating air valve on the Fairbanks > engines. We have a stand alone Fairbanks engine and air compressor used > to build air pressure to start the big Fairbanks at our show grounds. > We have cranked on that that little engine until there are several > bloody hands. Then one of us will finally recall that the throttle plate > has to be manually held closed or near closed. It will start instantly > then. At rest the governor spring will hold the throttle plate wide > open, and I cannot imagine FM intended as part of the starting procedure > to hold the throttle closed manually. > Can you venture a guess as to what might be wrong so we might correct > the problem? > Curt Holland Curt, we have a FM running a compressor for starting air also. This one will start by placing your hand over the carb as a choke. If yours doesn't start like this it may be weak ignition. When you throttle it down you're creatiung a vacuum, it's easier to fire a plug in a vacuum than under full compression. Does it have an impulse mag? Check the fire while cranking, should jump a 1/4" gap. J.B. Castagnos From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 12 16:31:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:31:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? Message-ID: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor right through to the sub steel. Ramps, ...that's another question................ Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 12 16:49:44 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:49:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <425C5E98.20103@fidnet.com> Since we are now talking about tools as well, I have lost my cant hook. I used it last fall and distinctly remember picking it up, but I don't remember where I put it. It is not with the chainsaw, nor with the garden/outdoor tools. I have been looking for it for at least 6 months. It is not in the barn, it is not in the garage, it is not to be found. I have just ordered a new one so hopefully is will show up in a week or so. Gary PS The older I get, the more life becomes like a giant Easter egg hunt! Bruce Younger wrote: >>>>I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. > > >>>>Charlie > > > While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in > the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. > > > Bruce Younger > Lenexa, Kansas USA > mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Apr 12 17:02:50 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:02:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <012801c53fbc$2271c4d0$6401a8c0@office> One of these days I'll get around to getting some of this stuff for my trailer...< http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=E&Category_Code=ET >. It looks like a good idea, running the length of the trailer so you can latch to it anywhere you need to. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn > buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always > stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to > think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor > right through to the sub steel. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 17:48:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:48:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> Well, we are over 'here' now, had a good flight over and arrived at 2pm Ca time. Have a couple of days of running around looking for old bookshops etc., then we drive down to Tulare on Saturday for the show. See you all there! Peter From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Apr 12 17:49:46 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:49:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] A Day at the Magneto Shop Message-ID: Hi List, Today was one of those memorable days. The J magneto on the other Fairbanks Morse ZD wasn't producing a spark. After checking it out at home, it seemed that coil was bad or the rotating magnets needed charging. After talking to the magneto man (Burt), he suggested that I bring to his shop. He verified that the coil wasn't up to snuff and he recharged the magnets. Luckily, Burt had a used coil and I got it. He told me that he hasn't seen one of these early J type magnetos in a long time. Back at my place, I reassembled the magneto, set the points, and it now produces a good spark. I am fortunate that Santa Maria has magneto shop where I can observe someone such as Burt diagnosis a faulty magneto. I enjoy spending time in the shop and watching Burt in action. This person is in his early 80s and he still operates a magneto/alternator/generator repair facility. Every time I go to his shop, I learn a little bit more. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Apr 12 18:19:48 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:19:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050412181604.027e9640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Glad to hear you had a good flight. Tulare weather forecast, high 70's and low 80's F. and clear for the weekend. See you there, Larry At 05:48 PM 4/12/2005, you wrote: >Well, we are over 'here' now, had a good flight over and arrived at 2pm Ca >time. > >Have a couple of days of running around looking for old bookshops >etc., then we drive down to Tulare on Saturday for the show. > >See you all there! > >Peter Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Apr 12 19:34:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:34:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: > While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in > the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find > it. Ummm, Bruce, I don't suppose you "lost" it by sitting on it? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 12 20:26:26 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:26:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer?..how about almost? References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Spudhead and I went in with the trailer to pickup a Letz 80X and an IHC Mill..unloaded everything and took the trailer back to the neighbor. Jacking up the trailer, the pin out of the receiver hitch just fell out. We looked at each other and said...yes, it's a good ole iron day. RickinMt. PS: and yes gang the sawrig crank is bent, bent, bent, bent, and bent...but life is good From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 12 20:37:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:37:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> <012801c53fbc$2271c4d0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: John, Spudhead has those all around the inside circumference of his enclosed trailer..He didn't "stop in Chicago"!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] how do you tie down? > One of these days I'll get around to getting some of this stuff for my > trailer...< > http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=E&Category_Code=ET > >. It looks like a good idea, running the length of the trailer so you > can > latch to it anywhere you need to. > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > > This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn > > buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always > > stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to > > think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor > > right through to the sub steel. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 12 21:13:48 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:13:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <425C2844.6090606@scrtc.com> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> <425C2844.6090606@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <425C9C7C.9040900@optusnet.com.au> This is a copy of a twx (teletype) we received at the NASA satellite tracking station at Cooby Creek, dated March, 1970: "Subj: Search for missing property items: All stations are requested to institute a physical on-site search for the following items: 1. Diesel generator set, Model GUJ JSGAGO1, Serial number 9, NASA property tag No. 205532, value $20,000.00 2. Diesel generator unit, Model USC M7, Serial number 3429, NASA tag 205533, value $12,000.00 Results are to be reported by teletype to code 539 on or before March 25, 1970 Goddard Logistics." We all thought it was an early April Fool's Day joke, but it turned out to be ridgiddy didge (Oz for kosher) Never did hear if they turned up somewhere . . . JW?? From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Apr 12 23:36:38 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:36:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: In message <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7 at ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>, Bruce Younger writes > >While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in >the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find >it. > I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old gymnasium floor below exactly where you'd left it... I can send it to you if you like? -- Peter Scales From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Apr 13 04:36:09 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:36:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer?..how about almost? In-Reply-To: References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425D0429.6090205@wightman.ca> Hi Rick, Sorry to hear about the bent crank. I thought you may just get away on that one. Duncan Richard Strobel wrote: >Spudhead and I went in with the trailer to pickup a Letz 80X and an IHC >Mill..unloaded everything and took the trailer back to the neighbor. >Jacking up the trailer, the pin out of the receiver hitch just fell out. We >looked at each other and said...yes, it's a good ole iron day. > >RickinMt. >PS: and yes gang the sawrig crank is bent, bent, bent, bent, and bent...but >life is good >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Apr 13 03:44:00 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:44:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous Message-ID: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day every one a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & miss style muffler & manifold its a monster of an engine the pics are on my webshots page link bellow Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 13 05:02:36 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:02:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous In-Reply-To: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> Brock, The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the future. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA G,day every one >a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & miss style >muffler & manifold its a monster of an engine the pics are on my webshots page link bellow >Brock Summerfield >ACT Australia >brock at netspeed.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 13 05:50:24 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:50:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000701c54027$60403510$fc9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> I must add that i did not use them all at once................i had to get that in before Dave or Arnie ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? > This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn > buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always > stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to > think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor > right through to the sub steel. > Ramps, ...that's another question................ > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 13 05:52:30 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:52:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] CRS References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <001101c54027$ab2cf680$fc9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> In my workshop there is a ''Black Hole'' . Many times carefully machined small parts have disappeared into it . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] CRS > In message > <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7 at ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>, Bruce > Younger writes >> >>While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in the >>building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. >> > > I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone > exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old gymnasium > floor below exactly where you'd left it... > > I can send it to you if you like? > > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 13 05:57:56 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous In-Reply-To: <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hey Rick Rowlands, That's your cue... 8-)) On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, > the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the > future. > > >a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as > >govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & > >miss style muffler & manifold > >Brock Summerfield From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Apr 13 05:57:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:57:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c54028$68bf1570$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. But the guys have a running engine now. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, > the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the > future. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 06:07:04 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:07:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bent Crank References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> <425D0429.6090205@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Thanx Duncan. Yup a big bend right where it comes out of the main brng. The throw appears to be good and the other flywheel runs true. So now I get to remove keys:-( later, RickinMt. > Hi Rick, > > Sorry to hear about the bent crank. I thought you may just get away on > that one. > > Duncan > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Spudhead and I went in with the trailer to pickup a Letz 80X and an IHC > >Mill..unloaded everything and took the trailer back to the neighbor. > >Jacking up the trailer, the pin out of the receiver hitch just fell out. > >We > >looked at each other and said...yes, it's a good ole iron day. > > > >RickinMt. > >PS: and yes gang the sawrig crank is bent, bent, bent, bent, and > >bent...but > >life is good > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 06:55:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:55:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting's Message-ID: G''day all; In addition to the Galloway 5hp (roundrod) main brng. caps, we'll get Rick Rowlands to cast some other items. They are: Flyweights for a HC Horizontal 4hp Famous. Handwheel for a Letz 80x feed grinder Caming handle for the same grinder Oil cap for a F-M "Typoon" water pump Pix's @ http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321621537ChvPmH I've posted this to the tractor list also as I know Mr. Cotton does Letz's and Alan Bowen also on the SEL. Let me know if you need any of these items and I'll get it to Rick RickinMt. Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 07:02:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:02:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin><425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> <000501c54028$68bf1570$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: I've got two big flywheels that I can't ID nor use. I know the casting lettering is backwards and there's no provisions for flyweights or belt pulley. I'd swag them as 4' dia. 2.5" face, ~2.5" shaft hole...no cinch bolt. I'll get some pix's up soon. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the > guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine > of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. > But the guys have a running engine now. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 > > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, > > the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no > > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the > > future. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 07:17:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:17:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? In-Reply-To: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f602516050413071730aee793@mail.gmail.com> We use standard ratchet straps, 10 X 1.5" wide and a couple of larger truck-sized 2" straps. There are a few diddy ones that we use for holding sheets on top of things. One thing we do, we throw them away every couple of years and replace them with new as the webbing gets rears and the mechanisms get rusty with the salt on the roads in winter over in the UK, even with WD40 spray and oiling. Another thing we look out for is the test rating, and only use 5ton and 10ton breaking test straps, some of the cheapo varieties are not worth having. Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 07:44:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:44:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer?..how about almost? In-Reply-To: References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050413074450110a23@mail.gmail.com> As we reported at the time, we lost a milling machine off the trailer in the last 1/4 mile of a 200 mile journey. One of our new 2" straps had sheared through cleanly, away from any contact point on the mill or the trailer. We think it must have been hit by a piece of metal on the motorway, as it was such a clean break. That mill is about to go to a new owner BTW, we got more for it than we paid as well :-)) Peter From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 13 08:35:31 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:35:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? Message-ID: For most of my hauling I use plain ole grade 70 binder chain and chain binders. After traveling a few miles, I'll stop and check the chains and retighten anything that has shifted. I like the security and strength of the binder chains. Only problem with using chains is that it can be difficult securing things with fancy paint jobs you don't want any marks on. In cases where I have to run a chain over a painted part I'll stuff some old rags under the chain or sometimes use a piece of wood. One of the things I like about chain is that it doesn't flap or vibrate in the wind like a strap will do. I also have an assortment of the ratchet straps, but mostly use those for smaller engines or parts. Back to chain binders...... I have both the classic lever load binders and the lever load binders with the coil spring tensioner. The binders with the coil springs are nice when securing a load that has no give to it. When you tighten a chain with the standard lever binder, something has to give or stretch or you won't be able operate the lever on the binder. If your load has no give, using the coil spring binder provides the amount of give you need without bending your trailer or stretching the chain. I've never used the ratchet type of binder but can see where they would make tightening a chain easier in not having to make one link at a time adjustments which isn't always easy with a standard binder and a non-giving load. George From mraasch at hickorytech.net Wed Apr 13 08:49:51 2005 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (marc) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:49:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] crank shield waterloo 4 hp Message-ID: <004b01c54040$6e096040$8eb61845@InsigniaPC> Hi list I am in need of a crank shield for a water loo 4hp gas engine. Were they made of cast iron or were they made of heavy sheet metal Thanks for any info Marc Raasch St Peter Mn.. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 13 10:09:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:09:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous Message-ID: Rick, My friend Bill would probably be interested in those flywheels. He's the guy that scratch builds big engines. A set of flywheels and maybe a crankshaft is about all he needs to start a new engine. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:02 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > I've got two big flywheels that I can't ID nor use. I know > the casting lettering is backwards and there's no provisions > for flyweights or belt pulley. I'd swag them as 4' dia. 2.5" > face, ~2.5" shaft hole...no cinch bolt. > > I'll get some pix's up soon. > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > > > About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the > > guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine > > of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. > > But the guys have a running engine now. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > > > > > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of > a couple of 15 > > > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has > one flywheel, > > > the other broken and the other is like the one you have > the photo of, no > > > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting > project in the > > > future. > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > Magnolia, KY USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 13 12:54:49 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002201c54062$a7af8dc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> John, Clarence just picked up a 3 HP IHC vertical hopper cooled engine at an auction in Missouri a couple of months ago. S/N LF721 The engine is painted blue and was previously restored. According to Ron Hueter it appears to have all the original parts including the battery box.. He will be bringing it to the Portland swap meet. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 13 13:05:28 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones References: <200504101903.j3AJ3Bxt044363@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002901c54064$24014f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones > > Hi Charlie, > You mentioned drying your bones. Is there a reason for going through the extra > trouble? Rob, Yea the reason is like you mentioned. They don't stink as much. When I get my two bone vcutters out this summer I will try some raw bones. If the bears get to messing around here again this summer I will be trying some bear bones. I am not going to do like my father did when he was a lad.He put on a bear skin with the head on it one night and went knocking on the neighbors door. If he hadn't out run the blast of a double barrel shot gun I probably wouldn't of been here today. Charlie . > > Since we have a "green bone cutter," I've always used raw bones straight from > the butcher shop. There's always the marrow and some sinewy parts still > attached, but they go through the machine just fine. The downside is that by > the end of a warm day at a show, we have a pile of ground up dismembered animals > and our display area is starting to smell like McDonalds. I'll leave to your > imagination the type of spectators that we begin to attract. > > I've been reluctant to use dried-out bones, as they seem harder and they make > scary noises in the bone cutter. The last thing I want to do is break > something. I've never sharpened the blades, so maybe that would help in using > dried bones. > > Any tips? > Thanks, > Rob > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 > > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Apr 13 12:16:26 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:16:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] lost & found Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7043B3A23@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone >exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old gymnasium >floor below exactly where you'd left it... >I can send it to you if you like? -- >Peter Scales Excellent - that must be it, a Klein, yellow handle with rubber covering, #2 Phillips - Well, hardly worth the post. And it has been replaced. May as well keep it in your kit, Peter. Thanks awfully for the offer, though. And I do have to wonder how the gymnasium floor got to London from Kansas. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 13 13:50:03 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] lost & found In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7043B3A23@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7043B3A23@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <1108.165.206.180.144.1113425403.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Same way the London bridge got to Arizona? Bill >>I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone >>exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old > gymnasium >>floor below exactly where you'd left it... > >>I can send it to you if you like? > > -- >>Peter Scales > > Excellent - that must be it, a Klein, yellow handle with rubber > covering, #2 Phillips - Well, hardly worth the post. And it has been > replaced. May as well keep it in your kit, Peter. Thanks awfully for > the offer, though. > And I do have to wonder how the gymnasium floor got to London from > Kansas. > > Bruce Younger > Lenexa, Kansas USA > mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Apr 13 13:52:00 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:52:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002201c54062$a7af8dc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000f01c5406a$a7aef7e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Charlie, That are nice engines, I saw one a few years ago when I visited Dave Boomgarden at his place to see his collection. Here a picture of that blue one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Famoushopper.jpg Funny thing, you mention Ron Huetter I met him in Lebanon TN at the 1996 IHC Red Power Round UP. Say hello to Clarence from us when you see him one of these days. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > John, > > Clarence just picked up a 3 HP IHC vertical hopper cooled engine at an > auction in > Missouri a couple of months ago. S/N LF721 The engine is painted blue and > was previously restored. According to Ron Hueter it appears to have all the > original parts including the battery box.. He will be bringing it to the > Portland swap meet. > > Charlie Bryant > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 13 16:16:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: <000f01c5406a$a7aef7e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002201c54062$a7af8dc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <000f01c5406a$a7aef7e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <425DA86A.5040507@scrtc.com> John, The Red Power Round Up will be in Lebanon again this year. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hammink wrote: >Charlie, >That are nice engines, I saw one a few years ago when >I visited Dave Boomgarden at his place to see his collection. >Here a picture of that blue one: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Famoushopper.jpg > >Funny thing, you mention Ron Huetter I met him in Lebanon TN >at the 1996 IHC Red Power Round UP. > >Say hello to Clarence from us when you see him one of these days. > >Regards, >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > > >>John, >> >>Clarence just picked up a 3 HP IHC vertical hopper cooled engine at an >>auction in >>Missouri a couple of months ago. S/N LF721 The engine is painted blue and >>was previously restored. According to Ron Hueter it appears to have all the >>original parts including the battery box.. He will be bringing it to the >>Portland swap meet. >> >>Charlie Bryant >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John Hammink" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 13 16:42:25 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:42:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help with Casting Materials Message-ID: <425DAE61.5090802@scrtc.com> I need to send some original parts off to have new castings made. However, I need to cover some machined surfaces, plug some holes, etc before I do. I know there is a type of wax that is used by foundry men to do this. I think it comes in sheets, sticks, etc. Can someone tell me the name, type and a supplier of this type material? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 16:57:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Unknown flywheels References: Message-ID: George, I'll get some pix's up. The flywheel faces are pretty ugly in a few spots. Like they've been standing in the dirt for ???????? later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > Rick, > > My friend Bill would probably be interested in those flywheels. He's > the guy that scratch builds big engines. A set of flywheels and maybe a > crankshaft is about all he needs to start a new engine. > > WAIT George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Richard Strobel > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:02 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > > > I've got two big flywheels that I can't ID nor use. I know > > the casting lettering is backwards and there's no provisions > > for flyweights or belt pulley. I'd swag them as 4' dia. 2.5" > > face, ~2.5" shaft hole...no cinch bolt. > > > > I'll get some pix's up soon. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hammink" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > > > > > > About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the > > > guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine > > > of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. > > > But the guys have a running engine now. > > > > > > John Hammink > > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of > > a couple of 15 > > > > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has > > one flywheel, > > > > the other broken and the other is like the one you have > > the photo of, no > > > > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting > > project in the > > > > future. > > > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > > Magnolia, KY USA > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Apr 13 20:24:33 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:24:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050413202311.01ab8930@mail.pennswoods.net> Curt That is an interesting looking tractor looks like a tough one. R Fink PA >Richard, >What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one of >the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb tractor >designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) > >To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on the >crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. >Here is a picture of one: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg > >Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 13 17:30:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:30:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous In-Reply-To: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050413202730.0d3a7780@mail.alltel.net> At 06:44 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote: >G,day every one >a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as >govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & miss style >muffler & manifold its a monster of an engine the pics are on my >webshots page link bellow >Brock Summerfield Hi Brock, Your mate will find that the engine is well worth the time and energy that he will put into it to restore it properly! Mine is T/G, but if any close up pictures will help him with the project let me know and I'll send them off to you ASAP! Dave From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Apr 13 17:54:22 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:54:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help with Casting Materials References: <425DAE61.5090802@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <009e01c5408c$7f739ed0$a65bef18@pengy> Try: http://www.freemansupply.com/SpecialtyWaxes.htm You can also just glue a piece of thin plywood (luan) to those surfaces for your machine stock and that should be just fine as well. Depending upon who you have do the casting the foundry can also take care of adding machine stock as well. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Help with Casting Materials >I need to send some original parts off to have new castings made. However, >I need to cover some machined surfaces, plug some holes, etc before I do. >I know there is a type of wax that is used by foundry men to do this. I >think it comes in sheets, sticks, etc. Can someone tell me the name, type >and a supplier of this type material? Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Apr 13 19:33:05 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414023305.61374.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> I stopped by a fellow collector's place in WI on the way back from a show last fall and he had 3 different Osborn engines...These were of the mogul design (2 1/2hp and smaller) and in original paint. I wasn't thinking and didn't snap a picture. Next time I am up there, I will shoot a few. Steve From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Apr 13 21:21:31 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:21:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction Message-ID: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Hello All, A few days ago I shared pictures of an old Fairbanks Morse pumping engine. With the help of list members and the BYB, I learned more about it. Thank you. The seller decided eBay was the most fair way to go, and so I didn't get to haul it directly into my engine shed. I have, at least, placed the first bid and now we'll now see how it goes. Regards Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA _Click here: eBay item 7508277005 (Ends Apr-20-05 20:55:41 PDT) - Faribanks Morse Geared Pumping Engine with Walking Beam_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7508277005&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEBI:IT&rd=1) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 13 21:56:37 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:56:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally Message-ID: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish a restoration or two by then :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 13 22:37:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:37:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction In-Reply-To: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504140537.j3E5bQPt029238@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > A few days ago I shared pictures of an old Fairbanks Morse > pumping engine. > With the help of list members and the BYB, I learned more > about it. Thank you. Well you got dibs on it, mate. Good luck. The engine belongs in your shed. Rob From guitronics at comcast.net Thu Apr 14 02:02:10 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 05:02:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <425C5E98.20103@fidnet.com> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <425C5E98.20103@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <425E3192.60803@comcast.net> Within 15 days of recieving the new one, you will come across the old one....happens to me all the time.I must have 7 Stanley razor knives ,'cause if I do any drywalling, I know I'll never find the old one(s).Of course, I lose all of them from time to time. Gary Epps wrote: > Since we are now talking about tools as well, I have lost my cant > hook. I used it last fall and distinctly remember picking it up, but > I don't remember where I put it. It is not with the chainsaw, nor > with the garden/outdoor tools. I have been looking for it for at > least 6 months. It is not in the barn, it is not in the garage, it is > not to be found. I have just ordered a new one so hopefully is will > show up in a week or so. > > Gary > PS The older I get, the more life becomes like a giant Easter egg hunt! > Bruce Younger wrote: > >>>>> I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. >>>> >> >> >>>>> Charlie >>>> >> >> >> While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in >> the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. >> >> >> Bruce Younger >> Lenexa, Kansas USA >> mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 04:22:15 2005 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414112215.84641.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there Patrick. Hope to catch up with you and several others who I didn't get to see at Naracoorte. Patrick M Livingstone wrote: Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish a restoration or two by then :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 14 04:56:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:56:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction Message-ID: <1fb.68c73c9.2f8fb45d@aol.com> In a message dated 4/14/2005 12:45:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: << The seller decided eBay was the most fair way to go >> Good luck Ron. That is a nice engine to have and sorry you did not have to opportunity to get it directly. Did you help gather the information for his write up on Ebay? I see you have plenty of early bidding competition! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 14 04:57:59 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:57:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] CRS Message-ID: <19b.31ca58bc.2f8fb4c7@aol.com> In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:22:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitronics at comcast.net writes: << I must have 7 Stanley razor knives >> Those things will get lost in your back pocket! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Apr 14 05:03:00 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:03:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally References: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001001c540e9$e827b080$483354d2@Cam> I'll be there Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally > Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on > heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? > I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish > a > restoration or two by then :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 14 05:17:09 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:17:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction In-Reply-To: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> References: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050414081316.0d3f0ec0@mail.alltel.net> >The seller decided eBay was the most fair way to go, and so I didn't get to >haul it directly into my engine shed. I have, at least, placed the first bid >and now we'll now see how it goes. >Regards >Ron Carroll Hi Ron, It was nice of the seller to have you go to all the trouble of looking you looking up/researching all the information and then deciding NOT to give you first refusal on the engine! Dave PS, I'll just BET that he knew all about the BYB before you talked to him about the engine! PPA, GOOD LUCK! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 14 05:55:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks.... eBay In-Reply-To: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> References: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Well the bidding is off to a lively start. Be interesting to see where it goes. I see that Joe Prindle is currently sitting at high bidder. GOOD LUCK!! You NEED that cute little pumping engine outfit. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > A few days ago I shared pictures of an old Fairbanks Morse pumping engine. > With the help of list members and the BYB, I learned more about it. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7508277005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 14 06:09:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:09:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps Message-ID: Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed up. I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been enough to hold the brng. in place. Jus neat trivia IMO http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm later, RickinMt. From sleis at mwt.net Thu Apr 14 08:30:23 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:30:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Message-ID: <000a01c54106$f42c99a0$5154becf@computer> Hi List I was wondering if I can grind the little notches in the piston ring grove so the new rings will fit? thank you for the help Stacy :-) From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 14 06:42:02 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:42:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps References: Message-ID: <001501c540f7$c09c5da0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, I think they did it for extra safety in case the "staking holes" didn't fill properly due some air underneath. In my Hungarian HSCS engine they had little flat head screws, screwed in the casting to hold the babbit. BTW, when is it Spring in your area??? John H. > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed up. > I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been enough > to hold the brng. in place. > > Jus neat trivia IMO > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > > later, > RickinMt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 07:00:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:00:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160504140700476e0320@mail.gmail.com> Looks like a bit of extra security that someone added, can't quickly think of any other good reason. Peter From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 14 07:43:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:43:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps References: <001501c540f7$c09c5da0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John; I've seen vent holes in some castings which makes sense and Spudhead mentioned exactly what you thought. This morning I thought maybe they were there for some kind of "wicking action"..dunno, just kewl trivia. Well Spud's coming out today and we'll get all the broke stuff packaged up and sent off to Rick. Picked up that McD grinding mill and a nice Letz 80X mill that WAS stuck..she came loose easy. I'll have fun belting that up to Eco. (and then start the engine:-). Think I'll start by grinding up some pine cones and one of these days we'll have pine cone daiquireeeees at Portland. Pix's of the mill will be up as soon as the 3" of snow melts off. "No spring in Montana, John," Jus July and winter later, my friend(s) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps > Hi Rick, > I think they did it for extra safety in case the "staking holes" didn't > fill properly due some air underneath. > In my Hungarian HSCS engine they had little flat head screws, > screwed in the casting to hold the babbit. > > BTW, when is it Spring in your area??? > > John H. > > > > > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed > > up. > > I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been > > enough > > to hold the brng. in place. > > > > Jus neat trivia IMO > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > > > > later, > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 14 07:55:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:55:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps References: <6f6025160504140700476e0320@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Overkill was used a lot back then, eh Peter? Probably not even in the dictionary anymore. I guess William didn't cover the babbitt with main bearing shim...although I probably will...would think the grease wouldn't ooze out quite so easy. Well headed for Enco as I'm trying to find some key stock to use for a drill guide..key ain't square later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps > Looks like a bit of extra security that someone added, can't quickly > think of any other good reason. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 14 07:59:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:59:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please critique Message-ID: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Guys, As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell me what I might add, change, or improve. Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html From segray at mlode.com Thu Apr 14 08:07:13 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:07:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425E8721.7020507@mlode.com> Mornin' Rick - I've never seen wire used in these low speed toys of ours, but I've seen it (brass wire mesh) used quite a bit in high speed & racing applications. My dad, for one, used it in the mains of his Model T hill climber engines. These were very highly modified high revving engines. If I remember right, I think he even used it in the stock blocks. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed up. >I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been enough >to hold the brng. in place. > >Jus neat trivia IMO > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > >later, >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 09:00:43 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:00:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation Message-ID: After a nasty struggle getting the flywheel key out of the Huber I want to make sure that I put it back correctly. We have discussed how to get a gib key out. What are the proper steps for installing one? Should they be installed dry? with lube? Where do I get a new key? From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Apr 14 10:04:47 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:04:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407214656.0d379508@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003101c54114$10d3e240$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Dave, Don't think I will be able to make the dinner but I will have a donation for the auction. The guys I travel with refuse to eat at "Hog Troths" anymore. The last two times we patronized the place the price and quality was un-believable.(that was about 3 years ago). Maybe things have changed and as my boss used to tell me seeing the shape I am in I should miss a few meals so I could cut down on the quantify. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction > Hi All, > The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at > 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 14 09:14:18 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:14:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <425E96DA.2070308@fidnet.com> Ron, It sure looks like you found a good 'un this time. From the action on Ebay it looks like your engine is generating some excitement. There won't be any competition from this part of the Ozarks--I won't bid on it. Having said that I guess the reality of it is that if it takes too many more $600.00 bid increases it will soon be out of my price range anyway. Good Luck on bidding. Gary PS Doesn't it taint the milk of human kindness just a bit when you provide the background information to have it used against you! -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 14 09:29:14 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:29:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001501c5410f$1c74aad0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, that's a very interesting and instructive write up you did. I have never done this so what I read and see is new for me and therefore I can't have any critique I thought. It looks so easy the same as Craig shows his workmanship, but I think I'm a little afraid to do it myselfs. Thanks for sharing this, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > me what I might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Apr 14 10:24:07 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:24:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction Message-ID: Hi Tom, The Lists, and the BYB, provided the identification. I wrote the eBay script for the seller. At this point, the auction has passed up the skimpy wallet capabilities here at Poverty Ridge West. Dave, you are right. It would have been nice had the seller given me right of first refusal, but, I didn't ask, either. On the other hand, I am hoping that the efforts I made on this one will stir up more and maybe I'll be able to skim some cream off the top next time. :>) Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/14/2005 7:28:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Good luck Ron. That is a nice engine to have and sorry you did not have to opportunity to get it directly. Did you help gather the information for his write up on Ebay? I see you have plenty of early bidding competition! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 10:45:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:45:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605041410456f6a6206@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/05, Curt wrote: > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > me what I might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland Looks pretty good from here, might be worth having a small glossary of terms for newbies? Pictures were good also. Oh, and a list of what tools (for the machining, mainly) are required might be useful. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 10:49:51 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:49:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160504140700476e0320@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050414104971c3fae7@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Overkill was used a lot back then, eh Peter? Probably not even in the > dictionary anymore. I guess William didn't cover the babbitt with main > bearing shim...although I probably will...would think the grease wouldn't > ooze out quite so easy. > > Well headed for Enco as I'm trying to find some key stock to use for a drill > guide..key ain't square > > later, > RickinMt. It is interesting looking at how the older engines evolved processes that enabled cheaper/easier production or just facilitated getting the engines actually out of the door. Lister in the UK went a fairly well-trodden path with their stuff and when they found a good solution they stayed with it. Their longevity was a much due to overkill on the bearing sizes and underrating of the engines as anything else. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nick at holden1.net Thu Apr 14 11:32:04 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:32:04 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion References: <000a01c54106$f42c99a0$5154becf@computer> Message-ID: <425EB724.000001.03740@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi if you are talking about notches of carbon just use a ring grove cleaner if you are talking about steps in the piston then you may have the wrong rings Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Stacy Leis Date: 04/14/05 14:36:59 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Hi List I was wondering if I can grind the little notches in the piston ring grove so the new rings will fit? thank you for the help Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 14 11:54:23 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:54:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> Andy, MSC Tool supply. http://www1.mscdirect.com/cgi/nnsrhm I just checked the big book and they have them. You could help the next generation and use some anti-sieze on the key. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Andy Glines wrote: > After a nasty struggle getting the flywheel key out of the Huber I > want to make sure that I put it back correctly. We have discussed how > to get a gib key out. What are the proper steps for installing one? > Should they be installed dry? with lube? Where do I get a new key? > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:34:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:34:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050412181604.027e9640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20050412181604.027e9640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605041412342f41d2c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/05, Larry Evans wrote: > Glad to hear you had a good flight. Tulare weather forecast, high 70's and > low 80's F. and clear for the weekend. > > See you there, > Larry I have brought over one of my Trimite BS381C / BS4800 / RAL paint colour charts, it is a bit tatty but if anyone needs a quick check on a colour, we could do that while there. I also hope to be able to go into a paint mixing shop over here and get the colour spots scanned for the Lister colour. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nick at holden1.net Thu Apr 14 13:12:02 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:12:02 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425ECE92.000001.01016@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi curt it all looks good to me maybe a bit moor info on the measurement for anybody without a CNC type readout Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Curt Date: 04/14/05 16:19:46 To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Please critique Guys, As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell me what I might add, change, or improve. Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 From chesnimnus at juno.com Thu Apr 14 13:14:36 2005 From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:14:36 GMT Subject: [SEL] NW IHC Show Dates & New Name: Great Western Binder Bee Message-ID: <20050414.131440.94.347154@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Those of you that attended the 2004 NW Binder RoundUp at the Western Antique Powerland in Brooks, Oregon will be pleased to know that there will another show this year at the same location. The name has been changed, and it is now called the Great Western Binder Bee. The name was selected to reflect its position as a western regional show for the left half of the country. Those of you with a tendency toward old McCormick and other old ag machines will appreciate the name. For those of you that did not come last year, we had somewhere shy of 400 entrants, with around 180 trucks, and the remainder being tractors, industrial machines, reefers, engines, and even a humidifier. From what I have heard, this is larger than all but the Red Power RoundUp. This year we will be holding it again at the Western Antique Powerland in Brooks, Oregon on July 8, 9, and 10. Like last year, this will be open to anything and everything made by IHC and is related companies built between 1831 and 2005. This year, there will also most likely be draft animals pulling old implements by McCormick, Plano, and others. We found a club that is into draft animals, and their tools of trade are almost exclusively IHC. Barring any conflict of date with another show that they are already committed to, they will be there working the animals. We also simplified the registration fees, and trimmed down the number of judging categories. Last year was too confusing. Truck judging will be done by a select committee from IHSTO, and I believe the tractors will be judged by a group from IHCC. Like last year, there will be camping and hookups onsite, and lodging within 10 minutes of the grounds. If anyone wants to learn more about the Great Western Binder Bee, the point man on this is John Donnelly. He is not the president of our club this year (International Scouts and Trucks of Oregon), but he is the chairman for the show. If you want to get the registration packet mailed to you, please contact me, or contact John at . The local IH vendors know about this show too. If you call Binder Books, you can ask them about the show too. If you are ordering anything from them, be sure to ask them to include a flyer about the show. Ultimately, you will have to get the registration from John. Judging by our feedback, this year's show will be larger than last year. We hope to see you there! -Colin Rush From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 16:15:01 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:15:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally In-Reply-To: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: If all goes well i'll be there but i hope to catch up with you before then Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" , > "Stationary Engine ATIS List" >Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally >Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:56:37 +1000 > >Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on >heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? >I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish >a >restoration or two by then :) >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Update your mobile with a hot polyphonic ringtone: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191polyphonicringtone From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Apr 14 16:29:24 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:29:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally References: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001301c54149$cf2d7cd0$849c81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Maybe Patrick ........but in all honesty distance and they way fuel prices are heading it makes it difficult . The same would apply for you to come over here . I am disappointed that it has come to this but i am sure you all appreciate the problem . You are very lucky on the east coast in that you are all within reasonable striking distance of each other. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally > Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on > heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? > I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish > a > restoration or two by then :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 14 16:35:07 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:35:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: 225623228 Message-ID: <013b01c5414a$9ad96150$0201010a@Portable> Curt,it all looks good to me. If I was doing it myself I would likely machine a clean up cut on the chucking button as the first step or even after cleaning up the O.D of the piston. Then its a lot easier to set up again if you don't get it finished in one session or your mate comes in and wants a rush job done. You have set it out very clearly. Nice job Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Please critique > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small Herc/Econ > pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they may be > fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have requested I > provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to try this > pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell me what I > might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 17:18:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:18:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally In-Reply-To: <001301c54149$cf2d7cd0$849c81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001301c54149$cf2d7cd0$849c81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f6025160504141718101ae70c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, peter ogborne wrote: > Maybe Patrick ........but in all honesty distance and they way fuel prices > are heading it makes it difficult . The same would apply for you to come > over here . I am disappointed that it has come to this but i am sure you all > appreciate the problem . You are very lucky on the east coast in that you > are all within reasonable striking distance of each other. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; > "Stationary Engine ATIS List" > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:56 PM > Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally > > > Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on > > heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? > > I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish > > a > > restoration or two by then :) > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone We did look at Naracoote this year for a trip over, but the uncertainties of accomodation and travelling made it a non-starter. Holding a decent sized show somewhere that is off the beaten track is not a good thing from a visitor's point of view, and the same issues come up for overseas travellers as well. I couldn't find much about the place: http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/capricorn/biloela.cfm At least the USA has a well-established Motel system that really works. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Apr 14 20:54:24 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:54:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <425F3AF0.3070409@wightman.ca> Another problem arises when my dad has this CRS thing happen to him. The next time he comes to my place, he always prowls around the garage like he is taking inventory. Comments like "Hey! Isn't that my pipe wrench?" etc. always seem to come out. Duncan Bruce Younger wrote: >>>>I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>Charlie >>>> >>>> > >While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in >the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. > > >Bruce Younger >Lenexa, Kansas USA >mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Apr 14 21:07:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:07:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <425EB724.000001.03740@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> ? Not sure what you mean - the L-A I have uses square cut rings - a cross section of the ring looks like a square. The rings have no special shape and go into plain ring grooves. If the rings don't just fit into the groove, it's the wrong rings. Alamo made the engines for them, and both of mine have just plain ordinary rings and plain grooves in the pistons. If the grooves are carboned up, use a ring groove cleaner like nick said. Funny, I got the reply as shown below, but not the original message that prompted the reply! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of nick Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Hi if you are talking about notches of carbon just use a ring grove cleaner if you are talking about steps in the piston then you may have the wrong rings Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Stacy Leis Date: 04/14/05 14:36:59 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Hi List I was wondering if I can grind the little notches in the piston ring grove so the new rings will fit? thank you for the help Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 15 04:09:45 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:09:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation In-Reply-To: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> References: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425FA0F9.9020604@wightman.ca> Oh come on Curt! Anti seize?? Where would the challenge and all the fun and stress be then? :-) Although I be Rick S. is wishing the keys on the Galloway had them about now. :-( Duncan Curt wrote: > > You could help the next generation and use some anti-sieze on the key. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jbcast at charter.net Fri Apr 15 04:08:36 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:08:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please critique Message-ID: <3rr89m$tjk0j6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Curt, the machining operation looks fine to me. When I machined my pistons I chucked them from the land side and centered the inside as you did. I then faced the end and chamfered, rough machined inside and out. Turn the piston around, chuck the machined bottom of the skirt with the squared face against the chuck, drill a center hole on the top. Remove the piston, install a piece of stock in the chuck and machine a cone on it to mate against the chamfer on the skirt of the piston. The piston can be turned by using a live center to hold it against the cone, a friction cut, between centers. It can be cut all the way across without removing, and you can remove and intall it without having to recenter it. J.B. Castagnos From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 04:32:14 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:32:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it is going to be even higher by then. Paul From rustyiron at bigpond.com Fri Apr 15 16:37:06 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:37:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines Message-ID: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some day some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to the West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still stored on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about these engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since been told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent photo's of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I think I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and this is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out there who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. Andy.... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Fri Apr 15 05:10:00 2005 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:10:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation In-Reply-To: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20050415081000.0170dc70@mail.accnorwalk.com> >You could help the next generation and use some anti-sieze on the key. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Ever try to keep a Briggs flywheel tight when you grease the crankshaft on the taper? Seems to me that lube on a taper key would do the same thing. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 15 05:49:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:49:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps and bent rod References: <425E8721.7020507@mlode.com> Message-ID: Day or two later, but good morning to you also, Steve :-). I'm assuming your Dad did the brass mesh to stake the babbitt in place or was it used to keep the insert together in case of breakage? There's a guy around here that takes his ole truck (with babbitt) to Sturgis. Has his tools and onboard babbitt making kit in the back. Says he has to stop once or twice during the trip and work on his bearings. Now that's high tolerance! On another note gang..here's the rod: http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/322492383bUmDwf With some heat like Curt suggested, it shouldn't be brain surgery to straighten, and check with a dial indicator. Crank gear might also need replaced as some teeth are bent considerably (understandable after what they went thru). Well later gang, the snow is gone and looks like it might be a nice day. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps > Mornin' Rick - > > I've never seen wire used in these low speed toys of ours, but I've > seen it (brass wire mesh) used quite a bit in high speed & racing > applications. My dad, for one, used it in the mains of his Model T hill > climber engines. These were very highly modified high revving engines. > If I remember right, I think he even used it in the stock blocks. > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed > > up. > >I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been > >enough > >to hold the brng. in place. > > > >Jus neat trivia IMO > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > > > >later, > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 06:58:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:58:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines In-Reply-To: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <6f60251605041506581397355b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Andy wrote: > Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some day > some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to the > West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still stored > on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about these > engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only > describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single > cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum > Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since been > told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. > I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent photo's > of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I think > I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and this > is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine > collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out there > who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. > Andy.... > > Andy Nicholson Hi Andy: A very small bit of information, but it might help you. Stationary Engine magazine in the UK has had a couple of articles on these engines and their connection with the UK and Switzerland. I'm in the US at present so can't help with any more than that, but it is a start. I vaguely remember that Hillman Cars may have been the UK connection as well. HTH Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 07:01:39 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:01:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, Paul Maples wrote: > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it is going to be even higher by then. > > Paul FYI, it was up to 96p per litre in the UK when we left to come over, that's approximately $US7.00 per gallon. That was for freeway service stations, and a little lower round the towns. I know that $2.80 a gallon sounds a lot for you guys, but it is really cheap still compared with Europe. Tim & I were discussing this yesterday, it is about $2.78 to $2.85 round San Jose, depending on the outlet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From sleis at mwt.net Fri Apr 15 09:04:44 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:04:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> Hi everybody I' m talking about the little pin's that hold the ring in place. the origional rings have a little pice cut out on the tip of them to go aroud the pin in the ring grove if that makes sense. I got the new rings form hit & miss Stacy From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 15 07:11:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:11:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt; Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS IN GEM!!! We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. GEM is missing something lately Thanks for taking the time pard!!! Rick and Corky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Please critique > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > me what I might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 15 07:23:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:23:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread Message-ID: Howdy again; This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I suggested NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. Headed for the shed. RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 15 07:54:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:54:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050415104736.0221e4d8@mail.alltel.net> At 12:04 PM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi everybody > > I' m talking about the little pin's that hold the ring in place. the >origional rings have a little pice cut out on the tip of them to go aroud >the pin in the ring grove if that makes sense. I got the new rings form hit >& miss > > Stacy Hi Stacy, For your application (an engine show with a 4 cycle engine) the pins are not really necessary. On a two cycle engine they may be necessary in order to keep the end of the rings away from the ports--but they are not necessary on your engine. Many engines (4 cycle) did not have the pins when they were manufactured. You can simply remove (ie grind them out) and make life a lot simpler for yourself. Dave PS, The rings you got from Hit and Miss will have to be sized. Two thousands per inch of bore dia. will be about right. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 08:05:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:05:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425FD844.70908@imc-group.com> Rick, Course threads will be less prone to strip. Fine threads are used to assure high clamping forces. Take head studs on an automotive engine for example. You'll find course threads in the block into which the studs are seated fully. Then the cyl head is placed on. High hex fine thread nuts will be used to assure plenty of clamping force to keep the gasket sealed. Here is a brain teaser. You've seen turnbuckles that use a RH and a LH thread? Try making a turnbuckle with both RH threads but make one side with course threads and the other side with fine threads. The mechanical advantage is staggering and you'll be able to really put a tight cinch on something. Far more effective than a standard RH/LH turnbuckle. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >Howdy again; > This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most >preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I suggested >NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. > >Headed for the shed. > >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Apr 15 08:17:57 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:17:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] Key Installation Message-ID: <1c9.26bdc601.2f913525@aol.com> Hi List, Several months ago, there was some discussion on step keys. I have a pulley with a 1/4" grove and the engine shaft is 3/8" wide. The distance between the top of the pulley grove and the bottom of the shaft grove is 1/4". My local supplier told me that step keys don't come in double steps. That is the 3/8" will step down to 5/16" and the 5/16" will step down to 1/4". Since I couldn't obtain a key that went from 3/8" to 1/4". I made one. I took a piece of 1/4" square key and silver soldered two strips of 1/16" x 1/8" metal on both sides. I cleaned up (with a file) the modified key. Then, I used the modified key to install the pulley (with a set screw) on the engine shaft. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 08:21:00 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:21:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605041508216d302e4f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy again; > This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most > preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I suggested > NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. > > Headed for the shed. > > RickinMt. Personally I'd go for NC, the thread depth is better IIRC. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 08:33:54 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How Babbit Works-will not stick to iron/steel Message-ID: <20050415153355.19296.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Rick Strobel?s thread ?Wire in main bearing caps?: Babbit bearing alloys have one property that is both a blessing and a curse. Babbit contains antimony and occasionally arsenic, bismuth, and phosphorus as well. These four additives are all members of the ?Group V? family of elements and all share similar properties. One property is that they will not stick to iron or steel, and a very good example of this property can be found in the well-known silver solder alloys called Silphos and Phoscopper used for copper tubing. They work great on copper but when used on iron or steel they appear to work great, but on cooling, the phosphorus-containing silver solder falls off! This property is useful because Silphos and Phoscopper are themselves fabulous bronze bearing alloys as well, and to cast them a steel mandrel is machined to size, polished, the phosphorus silver solder cast around the mandrel, and then the mandrel pressed out. Babbit does the exact same thing, so to get it to stay inside a steel or cast iron bearing shell it has the familiar staking holes, screws, wires, and/or pins that physically ?cage? or lock it in place. One recommended procedure for preparing a shell for casting is to flux it with sal ammoniac (ammonium chloride) or zinc chloride and tin it with 37% lead 63% tin solder. However, I found out the hard way to NEVER rely on the tinning to keep the bearing in the shell! The tinning is ONLY to facilitate the flow of the babbit into the shell so it makes intimate contact with the backing shell and to prevent air pockets. You must use staking holes, screws, or the wires that Rick mentioned to keep the bearing in place. Now, the good part of babbit not sticking to iron or steel is that particular property is what makes it such a fabulous bearing alloy! Without antimony or any of the other mentioned additives, the babbit would gall or smear and become cold soldered to the cast iron or steel crankshaft bearing surface, with immediate destruction of the bearing. Besides the traditional antimony content, I have also worked with babbits that contain arsenic, phosphorus, and bismuth, which all work very well, with the exception that bismuth babbit has a maximum operating temperature of about 180?F that precludes its use in high speed or hot-running engines. Arsenic is probably the best additive for babbit, but because of the hysteria associated with it as a violent poison it is nearly impossible to obtain and its equally deadly ?brother? antimony is used instead. Of course, from over 165 years of excellent service for machine bearings, the tin-lead-copper-antimony babbit alloys have proven themselves to 100% satisfactory! By the way, until about the year 1839 babbit was simply called pewter. It was Mr. Isaac Babbit (American inventor, 1799-1862) who improved pewter specifically for use in high performance marine steam engines. See: http://www.americanbabbittinc.com/history_of_babbitt_bearings.htm Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 08:56:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425FE439.6020105@imc-group.com> Rick, I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model building. Most of the stuff I post is just to give us something engine related to discuss during those long winter months. I do hope to write an article for GEM someday, on the behalf of my son Devin and the restoration of his Baker Monitor. I think he would enjoy seeing the fruits of his labor in a magazine. We all enjoyed seeing how proud Lincoln Tucker was to see his picture on the front of GEM. I'd like to see the same look on Devin's face too. Thanks for your kind words. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: >Curt; > Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS IN >GEM!!! > >We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. >Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final >coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. > >And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. > >GEM is missing something lately > >Thanks for taking the time pard!!! > >Rick and Corky > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "SEL" >Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM >Subject: [SEL] Please critique > > > > >>Guys, >>As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small >>Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they >>may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have >>requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to >>try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell >>me what I might add, change, or improve. >>Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Apr 15 09:44:31 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:44:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread Message-ID: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> Hi Curt, That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing leverage. _Click here: Dictionary - Yahooligans! Reference -_ (http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA PS: Thanks for sharing your turning of the piston blank. I enjoyed seeing it. . In a message dated 4/15/2005 10:25:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, _curt at imc-group.com_ (mailto:curt at imc-group.com) writes: Here is a brain teaser. You've seen turnbuckles that use a RH and a LH thread? Try making a turnbuckle with both RH threads but make one side with course threads and the other side with fine threads. The mechanical advantage is staggering and you'll be able to really put a tight cinch on something. Far more effective than a standard RH/LH turnbuckle. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Apr 15 11:05:05 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:05:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c541e5$a89e73c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Paul, I don't think its going to hurt the attendance at Portland so much as it will some of the other lesser shows. People will be more selective in the shows they are going to attend.. For example the cost of gas from Maine to Portland figuring $2.50 per gallon and pulling a trailer at 10 mpg for 1100 miles will be approx. $300. Then one nights motel stay en route another $50.. Turnpike tolls at least $30. The motel stay during show days plus gas back and forth from show ground to motel at least another $250 for 4 nights.Vendor lot $60. Total round trip cost approximately $690 Price ea. $345. Thats the cost of doing business . Of course the show is not all doing business and there are many other beneficial factors. For smaller shows I think the cost of gas will be a factor.I just received the notice this will be the last year for the S.E. Iowa Engine & Hobby Show at Des Moines Co. Fairgrounds, West Burlington ,IA Charlie Bryant Now from Central Maine where we have 2 seasons, winter and one month of hard sledding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > On 4/15/05, Paul Maples wrote: > > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it is going to be even higher by then. > > > > Paul > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 15 10:09:27 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> Message-ID: <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Professor Dave is right on. Piston rings rotate during normal operation. On a 2 stroke/cycle, this is a bad thing due to the ports and edges. On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. Our low speed engines won't realize much if ANY rotation. The pins are not really essential. If they rotate, so what, it's normal and actually wanted. If they don't, then gee, they are acting like they had pins. Two choices - take the pins out/remove them or cut the rings to fit the pins. Precision? Not needed on these antiques. If you were building a high speed/high power engine, race car, AIRPLANE engine, etc., I might argue a bit (and let you speak with Charlie if it's aircraft related - something about ram's blood?). Even if you cut or grind the rings to fit around the pins, a bit off is NO big deal. Listen also on the ring gap - too little is deadly, too much won't hurt much. Dave gave advice that will help you make that thing run. Bill > Hi everybody > > I' m talking about the little pin's that hold the ring in place. the > origional rings have a little pice cut out on the tip of them to go aroud > the pin in the ring grove if that makes sense. I got the new rings form > hit > & miss > > Stacy > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 10:20:34 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:20:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: <425FE439.6020105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Now Curt, Please reconsider . Most of us GEM readers are just back yard tinkerers and never will be as good as Tommy or Craig, but we all can learn a lot by articles like yours. I've never had any machine shop lessons at all, I just blunder my way along and somehow get by. So send that in to Richard right now. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Please critique >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0400 > >Rick, >I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high >quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in >comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my >local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be >encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model >building. >Most of the stuff I post is just to give us something engine related to >discuss during those long winter months. >I do hope to write an article for GEM someday, on the behalf of my son >Devin and the restoration of his Baker Monitor. I think he would enjoy >seeing the fruits of his labor in a magazine. We all enjoyed seeing how >proud Lincoln Tucker was to see his picture on the front of GEM. I'd like >to see the same look on Devin's face too. >Thanks for your kind words. >Curt > >Richard Strobel wrote: > >>Curt; >> Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS >>IN GEM!!! >> >>We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. >>Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final >>coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. >> >>And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. >> >>GEM is missing something lately >> >>Thanks for taking the time pard!!! >> >>Rick and Corky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>To: "SEL" >>Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM >>Subject: [SEL] Please critique >> >> >> >> >>>Guys, >>>As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small >>>Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they >>>may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have >>>requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to >>>try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell >>>me what I might add, change, or improve. >>>Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. >>>Curt Holland >>>Gastonia, NC >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 15 10:05:51 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:05:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - It's NOT because of the gas prices. I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and still continue to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - Pump - Refine - Distribute - just to get a gallon of gas to you - and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - not to mention all the Government Regulation - to get a gallon of milk to you - Maybe we'd look at it differently. Just my two cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 15 10:42:54 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:42:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504151811.j3FIBf4v005351@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Curt, could you go into this a little deeper, or possibly send me to a site that can explain this turnbuckle more for me?? I can _sorta_ see how the two tpi could give a differential, but both with rh threads?--that is the part I cannot visualize. In Ron's example, the winds are opposite, which I can see where it would provide a compound action. TIA---and Thanks also for the pictures & write-up of your piston sequence! Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 10:52:06 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:52:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> Message-ID: <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> Ron, What a neat mechanical device! I'd never seen this. Your depth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for sharing. Curt MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Curt, >That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called >the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing >leverage. >_Click here: Dictionary - Yahooligans! Reference -_ >(http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) > > >Regards, >Ron Carroll > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 10:59:37 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:59:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. > > Bill, Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being pinned in place? Curt From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 15 11:43:49 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. Easier for hot spots and scuffing. http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm I had a piece from Michigan State University a few months ago when this came up in high-performance engine discussions and bloody heck can't find it! www.eci2fly.com/Tech_Ref/si/02-6.pdf One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. It's worn all the way around. I'll try to find my documentation on it and pass it along. There's a lot of science to it, however, on these engines, well - they will outlast most of us, rotate or not! Bill > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >> >> > Bill, > Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being > pinned in place? > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 15 11:51:47 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:51:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001c01c541ec$2e56e0a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] NC or NF thread > Ron, > What a neat mechanical device! I'd never seen this. Your depth of > knowledge never ceases to amaze me. > Thanks for sharing. > Curt > >Hi Curt, > >That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called > >the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing > >leverage. > >_Click here: Dictionary - Yahooligans! Reference -_ > >(http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) > >Ron Carroll Hi Curt, This is the same Weston Differential block that I have used for 25 years to load engines on to the shelves of my storage building. See http://www.alexdenouden.nl/08/weston2.htm (Partly in English) I have had no problems at all lifting up to 6 HP engines! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:12:38 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:12:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c541ef$2118f4c0$230110ac@PAUL> Yikes!!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > On 4/15/05, Paul Maples wrote: >> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >> Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would >> just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are >> on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to >> consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news >> it is going to be even higher by then. >> >> Paul > > FYI, it was up to 96p per litre in the UK when we left to come over, > that's approximately $US7.00 per gallon. That was for freeway service > stations, and a little lower round the towns. > > I know that $2.80 a gallon sounds a lot for you guys, but it is really > cheap still compared with Europe. Tim & I were discussing this From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:14:39 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:14:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread References: Message-ID: <003001c541ef$612e4a60$230110ac@PAUL> Rick, I purchased a NF Grade 8 Bolt and tap but then someone suggested that the threads on a coarse bolts were deeper and when I compared the two taps the coarse thread did have deeper threads so I went with the coarse bolt and tap but ended up welding a bolt to the key itself and pulling it out. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread > Howdy again; > This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most > preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I > suggested NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. > > Headed for the shed. > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:18:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:18:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c541e5$a89e73c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <005501c541ef$db767590$230110ac@PAUL> Excellent response Charlie, good analysis. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Paul, > > I don't think its going to hurt the attendance at Portland so much as it > will some of > the other lesser shows. People will be more selective in the shows they > are going to attend.. For example the cost of gas from Maine to Portland > figuring $2.50 > per gallon and pulling a trailer at 10 mpg for 1100 miles will be approx. > $300. > Then one nights motel stay en route another $50.. Turnpike tolls at least > $30. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:19:43 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:19:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006201c541f0$1680bf60$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Joe this is a good perspective, it is nice to get comments from both ends of the spectrum. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Hi Paul, > > > > I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - > It's NOT because of the gas prices. > > I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and > still continue > to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". > > If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - > Pump - Refine - Distribute - > just to get a gallon of gas to you - > and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - > Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 15 12:29:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2594.165.206.180.102.1113593379.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I pay 50 cents for a litre of flavored bottled drinking water. I pretty much quit buying "bottled pop" due to it being $1.25. Bill > Hi Paul, > > > > I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - > It's NOT because of the gas prices. > > I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and > still continue > to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". > > If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - > Pump - Refine - Distribute - > just to get a gallon of gas to you - > and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - > Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - > not to mention all the Government Regulation - to get a gallon of milk > to you - > Maybe we'd look at it differently. > Just my two cents. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 15 12:48:36 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Curt, I agree with Steve on this one. I look at the range of machining skills that exist in the hobby in the same way that I look at the range of engines. We all love to read about and drool over the rare and exotic sideshafts and camstoppers. They're really cool. But we also like to read about the Hercs and Economys and Associateds too because we have a chance to own those engines. Likewise with the machining. It's really fun to see the work that Craig does, because of the variety, the clever setups, and the cool old machines being put to work. But for most of us, we may own a lathe and drill press. Maybe a milling adapter for the lathe. So its also good to read articles that are describing projects that are in the range of something we could do in our home shops. I keep telling Jim French that he should send in an article to SEM on how he built the Fairbanks Eclipse model. They did a really fancy six-part article with one of the top flight English model builders doing it. That bloke had the full machine shop, did all the fancy setups, etc. Very nice article and very nice piece of work. Jim had his little lathe. I think it would definitely be a piece that more readers could relate to. It would make an excellent counterpoint to the six-part article. So I say go for it!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > Now Curt, Please reconsider . Most of us GEM readers are just back yard > tinkerers and never will be as good as Tommy or Craig, but we all can learn > a lot by articles like yours. I've never had any machine shop lessons at > all, I just blunder my way along and somehow get by. So send that in to > Richard right now. Steve > > >From: Curt > >I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high > >quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in > >comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my > >local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be > >encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model > >building. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 15 12:52:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, THAT'S why Ron's science classes were so popular!!! The teaching profession lost one of its best when Ron retired!!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > What a neat mechanical device! I'd never seen this. Your depth of > knowledge never ceases to amaze me. > > MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > >That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called > >the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing > >leverage. > >(http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Apr 15 13:12:46 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:12:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM story Message-ID: <002b01c541f7$7fb011a0$d4a8123f@oemcomputer> Hey Curt, You can put the Hercules/Economy piston story in GEM under the Hercules Engine News. I'd be glad to miss a month of working up a story. Ask Richard about it. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 15 13:32:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. Bullshit. The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents what happens with normal pinned piston rings. A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. Take a look at... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The cylinder wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I replaced the rings. My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. > http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm > > One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look > at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if > there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an > unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. > It's worn all the way around. > > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > >>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. > >> > > Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being > > pinned in place? > > Curt From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 15 13:41:17 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:41:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> <001c01c541ec$2e56e0a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000901c541fb$7cd52f70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Dave, I use my electric trailer winch the same way, so I pull 4 tons with a 2 ton winch. John H. > > Hi Curt, This is the same Weston Differential block that I have used for 25 years > to load engines on to the shelves of my storage building. > See http://www.alexdenouden.nl/08/weston2.htm (Partly in English) > I have had no problems at all lifting up to 6 HP engines! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 15 13:59:56 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:59:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines References: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <000901c541fe$17c7dd00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Andy, are you talking about an engine like this? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/FelixRenauer3hp1914.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some day > some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to the > West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still stored > on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about these > engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only > describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single > cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum > Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since been > told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. > I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent photo's > of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I think > I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and this > is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine > collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out there > who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. > Andy.... > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 15 14:24:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:24:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> <006201c541f0$1680bf60$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00d501c54202$b7091240$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> We are paying $1.20 a litre here in Oz. 4 to the gallon, near as dammit! $ 4.80 a gallon. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Hey Joe this is a good perspective, it is nice to get comments from both > ends of the spectrum. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph L Betz" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > > >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> >> I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - >> It's NOT because of the gas prices. >> >> I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and >> still continue >> to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". >> >> If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - >> Pump - Refine - Distribute - >> just to get a gallon of gas to you - >> and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - >> Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 15 16:14:32 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:14:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines References: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> <6f60251605041506581397355b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c54210$e6836d50$909781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hi Andy.....I have had the same treatment from the Timms brothers ,I will go so far as to say they are a couple ignorant characters. However our club has a Felix engine,sounds like the one you describe . I have a photo that i will send to you tonight . The custodian [ the person who is restoring it is not on the net ] but if i can help let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines > On 4/16/05, Andy wrote: >> Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some >> day >> some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to >> the >> West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still >> stored >> on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about >> these >> engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only >> describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single >> cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum >> Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since >> been >> told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. >> I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent >> photo's >> of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I >> think >> I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and >> this >> is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine >> collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out >> there >> who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. >> Andy.... >> >> Andy Nicholson > > Hi Andy: > > A very small bit of information, but it might help you. > > Stationary Engine magazine in the UK has had a couple of articles on > these engines and their connection with the UK and Switzerland. I'm in > the US at present so can't help with any more than that, but it is a > start. > > I vaguely remember that Hillman Cars may have been the UK connection as > well. > > HTH > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 16:18:04 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:18:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines In-Reply-To: <000901c541fe$17c7dd00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi Andy, i have one complete felix like you decribed and two parts engines. They are resonably common around this area .What imfomation are you looking for.Let me know and i will see what i can find. I do know that the serial no is stamped on most of the main castings. Dave >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:59:56 +0200 > >Hi Andy, are you talking about an engine like this? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/FelixRenauer3hp1914.jpg > >Regards, >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some >day > > some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to >the > > West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still >stored > > on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about >these > > engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only > > describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single > > cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum > > Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since >been > > told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the >head. > > I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent >photo's > > of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I >think > > I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and >this > > is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine > > collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out >there > > who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. > > Andy.... > > > > Andy Nicholson > > Exmouth W.A. > > Oz. > > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Buy want you really want - sell what you don't on eBay: http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/705-10129-5668-323?ID=2 From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 15 17:32:25 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:32:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42605D19.1030306@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, I'll have to agree with you. My Sattley has pinned rings, and judging from the general condition of the engine, it has been well used over the years. The cylinder wall shows no signs of wear from the pinned rings and the gap being stationary. I do believe that rings would catch on ports on two cycle engines, yet the Maytags live on and on, so I really doubt that the rings rotate. Same goes for other two cycles I have worked on by the way. From my limited knowledge of engines, when wrist pins contact cylinders you have shrapnel. The wear marks in the cylinder tell you why. My too sense worth. Jeff Allen Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. >Bullshit. > >The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes >out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring >producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents what >happens with normal pinned piston rings. > >A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil >film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring >can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. > >My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. >Take a look at... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg > >As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The cylinder >wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring >ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I >replaced the rings. > >My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and >cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. > >Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for >one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance >improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see >problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > >>You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. >>http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm >> >>One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look >>at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if >>there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an >>unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. >>It's worn all the way around. >> >> >> >>>bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being >>>pinned in place? >>>Curt >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 15 17:47:07 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:47:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4260608B.1060707@earthlink.net> Well said Arnie, With my limited space and budget, I am looking at a small lathe/mill combo. Still can't get a bit of feedback on them on the list BTW. The thread on shop equipment a while back shows that some on the list have some great machine shops and I for one envy them. It is not in my future though. For the hacks like me the stuff you show is great. It does belong in GEM. One more vote to contact them. Great stuff Curt. Jeff Allen Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >I agree with Steve on this one. I look at the range of machining skills >that exist in the hobby in the same way that I look at the range of >engines. We all love to read about and drool over the rare and exotic >sideshafts and camstoppers. They're really cool. But we also like to >read about the Hercs and Economys and Associateds too because we have a >chance to own those engines. Likewise with the machining. It's really >fun to see the work that Craig does, because of the variety, the clever >setups, and the cool old machines being put to work. But for most of us, >we may own a lathe and drill press. Maybe a milling adapter for the >lathe. So its also good to read articles that are describing projects >that are in the range of something we could do in our home shops. > >I keep telling Jim French that he should send in an article to SEM on how >he built the Fairbanks Eclipse model. They did a really fancy six-part >article with one of the top flight English model builders doing it. That >bloke had the full machine shop, did all the fancy setups, etc. Very >nice article and very nice piece of work. Jim had his little lathe. >I think it would definitely be a piece that more readers could relate to. >It would make an excellent counterpoint to the six-part article. > >So I say go for it!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > > > >>Now Curt, Please reconsider . Most of us GEM readers are just back yard >>tinkerers and never will be as good as Tommy or Craig, but we all can learn >>a lot by articles like yours. I've never had any machine shop lessons at >>all, I just blunder my way along and somehow get by. So send that in to >>Richard right now. Steve >> >> >> >>>From: Curt >>>I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high >>>quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in >>>comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my >>>local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be >>>encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model >>>building. >>> >>> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 15 18:09:59 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:09:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <003001c541ef$612e4a60$230110ac@PAUL> References: <003001c541ef$612e4a60$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <426065E7.9060306@optusnet.com.au> Paul Maples wrote: > Rick, I purchased a NF Grade 8 Bolt and tap but then someone suggested > that the threads on a coarse bolts were deeper and when I compared the > two taps the coarse thread did have deeper threads so I went with the > coarse bolt and tap but ended up welding a bolt to the key itself and > pulling it out. > > Paul ========== Soft material (CI, Al) = coarse thread Hard material = fine thread JW? ========== From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 18:24:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:24:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: <4260608B.1060707@earthlink.net> References: <4260608B.1060707@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160504151824ae14a00@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Well said Arnie, > > With my limited space and budget, I am looking at a small lathe/mill > combo. Still can't get a bit of feedback on them on the list BTW. Jeff: Go to one of the newsgroups that deal with this sort of thing regularly: uk.rec.models.engineering rec.crafts.metalworking > The thread on shop equipment a while back shows that some on the list > have some great machine shops and I for one envy them. It is not in my > future though. For the hacks like me the stuff you show is great. It > does belong in GEM. One more vote to contact them. Great stuff Curt. > > Jeff Allen The stuff that Curt put up was very interesting for a lot of us, and don't forget, not all of us are regular machinists, even if we do have largish workshops :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ivancou at alltel.net Fri Apr 15 19:46:48 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:46:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Hauling the camper to Portland won't be cheap, but we're going to do it this year .This is supposed to be the 40 anniversary if I got it right so I hope its a big year . Next year ? But its starting to affect how much running around we do otherwise . And we are lucky compared to the people across the pond . We haven't been over for a few years but I still remember the cost from last trip . Ivan From asouth at strato.net Fri Apr 15 19:29:10 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:29:10 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. Arthur Arcadia, Fla. U.S.A. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 21:34:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:34:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050415213424d0fc1f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Ivan Cousins wrote: > Hauling the camper to Portland won't be cheap, but we're going to do it this > year .This is supposed to be the 40 anniversary if I got it right so I hope > its a big year . Next year ? > But its starting to affect how much running around we do otherwise . And > we are lucky compared to the people across the pond . We haven't been over > for a few years but I still remember the cost from last trip . Ivan > Remember that although we have probably the most expensive fuel, we also have the most fuel-efficient engines as a consequence. Our latest van will do over 33mpg if you are not racing up the freeway, and even towing a full load it will return 25mpg (UK gallons) if treated well from 2.5 litres engine capacity, 140hp. I looked at consumption figures for the US SUV's and even they are starting to climb the mpg ladder, and hopefully the cost of fuel will not hurt so much. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Apr 15 21:57:01 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:57:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion, now, off topic Message-ID: <193.3de6820a.2f91f51d@aol.com> Hi Bill, I concur with the ridge forming where the pinned ring end run. My Hudson Hornet had pinned rings, and, at overhaul, there was a ridge. Boring to .030" oversize took care of it, and new pistons turned from blanks, without the ring pins, were installed. They worked well. An old machinist working in a shop under an auto parts store did the overhaul. I was going to summer college classes, and I brought the engine in and asked if he would only work on it when I was there to observe as I wanted to learn a little about how he did it. He agreed, and I spent an hour a day for several weeks as he did a major overhaul. One neat part was the fitting and then balancing of the pistons. He worked with each until it would just slowly fall down the lightly oiled, bored and honed cylinder. Then, he got out his balance pan scales and shaved the heavy ones from the inside until all weighed close enough to each other to suit him. Hi piston turning lathe has a cam arrangement so that the pistons were oval rather than cylindrical in shape. He explained that he thought they became cylindrical as they were hot and working. At the college end, the physics class was doing classical experiments such as determining coefficient of expansion in different metals, sound resonance in tubes, refraction in water, and, lenses, and much more. What fun summer that was. Then, in the fall, the Hudson was on the road with a much stronger engine. Life was, and is, good. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/15/2005 2:05:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Apr 16 00:39:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:39:17 +1000 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <014301c54257$bceb6aa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Good way to look at it mate. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Southwell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices >I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or > drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's > probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. > > Arthur > > Arcadia, Fla. U.S.A. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 16 03:17:03 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:17:03 +0100 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <001901c5426d$7b97c6a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Southwell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:29 AM Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or > drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's > probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. > Arthur Hi Arthur, you beat us there as well. 200 cigarettes in the UK costs us $91 (US) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 16 04:00:29 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:00:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Howdy all, Please take a look at the water pump for the Famous/Osborne that I'm still thinking about buying . I guess that you would call this a centrifugal type water pump that is driven by a belt running off a small pulley on the crankshaft. When Curt looked at the engine, he couldn't find a bracket for mounting it and he and the owner discussed but couldn't decide what it needed. So, does this pump mount directly to the engine or does it mount to the cart/skids between the engine and the cooling screen? Does it have a bracket or does it mount directly? If it needs a bracket, is that something that will be an easy thing to find? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From ivancou at alltel.net Sat Apr 16 05:03:56 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:03:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <6f602516050415213424d0fc1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c5427c$5e40a540$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Peter , are most of the vehicles there still manual transmissions ? In the UK they gave us an automatic as they had lost our reservations and had to upgrade our rental . Ivan From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 16 05:57:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:57:49 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050416084340.02210e00@mail.alltel.net> At 10:29 PM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or >drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's >probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. >Arthur Hi Arthur, Once upon a time a man went to his doctor for his annual physical. When it was over the doctor said to the man "You are in very good shape considering your age." Now the gentleman had never even thought about his age before, and thus the doctor's statement came as a bit of a shock. Once he realized fully what the doctor had said the man asked "Doc, do you think I'll live to be 80?" The doctor then asked him "Do you drink?" to which the man answered "No." "Do you smoke?" the doctor asked, to which the guy again replied "No!" "Do you chase after wicked women?" was the doctor's next question. The man replied "NO, of course not, I'm married!" At which point the doctor asked "Why the hell do you want to live to be 80?" Dave PS, I do think that Portland is probably one GOOD reason to want to live to be 80, but if you need another one I think that Bambi and Nitro will be there with Arnie and me this year. Let me know if you want to be introduced to them! PPS, The dinner count is now up to 37! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 06:46:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:46:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <000c01c5427c$5e40a540$6601a8c0@alltel.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <6f602516050415213424d0fc1f@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c5427c$5e40a540$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050416064642476d78@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Ivan Cousins wrote: > Peter , are most of the vehicles there still manual transmissions ? In the > UK they gave us an automatic as they had lost our reservations and had to > upgrade our rental . Ivan 95% are still manual, my van is a six-speed box, most autos are 4-speed with the upper price range cars on 5 or 6 speed autos, most cars are 5-speed manual. One defining point is your car driving test, you have to take a separate driving test for manual transmission if you pass on an automatic gearbox car, while manual gearbox passes get you an auto grade automatically. Trailer towing also requires a separate test now, that came in a few years ago, while existing drivers had 'grandfather rights' and did not require a new test. Driver licencing is quite complex in the UK and Europe, you have lots of different classes of licence. I have car, motorcycle and truck licences, but within the average group such as the car or truck there are more sub-classes that you may or may not need a test for. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 16 07:17:46 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:17:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com> Mike, On the engines I have seen the water pump is mounted behing the engine on the cart or skids. I don't remember seeing any brackets of special fixtures to mount them one, just screwed or bolted directly to a cross member. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Howdy all, > > Please take a look at the water pump for the Famous/Osborne that I'm > still thinking about buying > . I guess that > you would call this a centrifugal type water pump that is driven by a > belt running off a small pulley on the crankshaft. When Curt looked > at the engine, he couldn't find a bracket for mounting it and he and > the owner discussed but couldn't decide what it needed. So, does this > pump mount directly to the engine or does it mount to the cart/skids > between the engine and the cooling screen? Does it have a bracket or > does it mount directly? If it needs a bracket, is that something that > will be an easy thing to find? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 16 08:48:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:48:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Tommy, I already told him that, I did some searching in the parts book and this type of pumps were only used in 1906-07 on the Port. and Fam. outfits. Looking at the engine tag it has to be a R1xxx serial # what means a 1906-07 Tank cooled engine not a Screen cooled because these came first in 1907. They had ( the 4 hp) a 8"x 1 5/16" drive pulley on the engine and the same year the factory changed it in a 3"x 1 5/16" pulley. The only water tank I could find for these early engine was a 30"x48" tank of 114 gallons capt. IMHO it's worth to buy it and own an early one Mike. John H. > Mike, > On the engines I have seen the water pump is mounted behing the > engine on the cart or skids. I don't remember seeing any brackets of > special fixtures to mount them one, just screwed or bolted directly to a > cross member. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Howdy all, > > > > Please take a look at the water pump for the Famous/Osborne that I'm > > still thinking about buying > > . I guess that > > you would call this a centrifugal type water pump that is driven by a > > belt running off a small pulley on the crankshaft. When Curt looked > > at the engine, he couldn't find a bracket for mounting it and he and > > the owner discussed but couldn't decide what it needed. So, does this > > pump mount directly to the engine or does it mount to the cart/skids > > between the engine and the cooling screen? Does it have a bracket or > > does it mount directly? If it needs a bracket, is that something that > > will be an easy thing to find? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 10:14:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:14:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How Babbit Works-will not stick to iron/steel References: <20050415153355.19296.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Richard and all who replied..neat stuff!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [SEL] How Babbit Works-will not stick to iron/steel > Rick Strobel's thread "Wire in main bearing caps": > > Babbit bearing alloys have one property that is both a blessing and a > curse. Babbit contains antimony and occasionally arsenic, bismuth, and > phosphorus as well. These four additives are all members of the "Group > V" family of elements and all share similar properties. One property is > that they will not stick to iron or steel, and a very good example of > this property can be found in the well-known silver solder alloys > called Silphos and Phoscopper used for copper tubing. They work great > on copper but when used on iron or steel they appear to work great, but > on cooling, the phosphorus-containing silver solder falls off! This > property is useful because Silphos and Phoscopper are themselves > fabulous bronze bearing alloys as well, and to cast them a steel > mandrel is machined to size, polished, the phosphorus silver solder > cast around the mandrel, and then the mandrel pressed out. Babbit does > the exact same thing, so to get it to stay inside a steel or cast iron > bearing shell it has the familiar staking holes, screws, wires, and/or > pins that physically "cage" or lock it in place. One recommended > procedure for preparing a shell for casting is to flux it with sal > ammoniac (ammonium chloride) or zinc chloride and tin it with 37% lead > 63% tin solder. However, I found out the hard way to NEVER rely on the > tinning to keep the bearing in the shell! The tinning is ONLY to > facilitate the flow of the babbit into the shell so it makes intimate > contact with the backing shell and to prevent air pockets. You must use > staking holes, screws, or the wires that Rick mentioned to keep the > bearing in place. Now, the good part of babbit not sticking to iron or > steel is that particular property is what makes it such a fabulous > bearing alloy! Without antimony or any of the other mentioned > additives, the babbit would gall or smear and become cold soldered to > the cast iron or steel crankshaft bearing surface, with immediate > destruction of the bearing. Besides the traditional antimony content, I > have also worked with babbits that contain arsenic, phosphorus, and > bismuth, which all work very well, with the exception that bismuth > babbit has a maximum operating temperature of about 180?F that > precludes its use in high speed or hot-running engines. Arsenic is > probably the best additive for babbit, but because of the hysteria > associated with it as a violent poison it is nearly impossible to > obtain and its equally deadly "brother" antimony is used instead. Of > course, from over 165 years of excellent service for machine bearings, > the tin-lead-copper-antimony babbit alloys have proven themselves to > 100% satisfactory! By the way, until about the year 1839 babbit was > simply called pewter. It was Mr. Isaac Babbit (American inventor, > 1799-1862) who improved pewter specifically for use in high performance > marine steam engines. See: > > http://www.americanbabbittinc.com/history_of_babbitt_bearings.htm > > Work and play safely! > > > Rich > > ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 10:17:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:17:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> <425FE439.6020105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I'll respect your wishes, pard. And thanx to all for the advise on using NC threads for the puller RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Please critique > Rick, > I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high > quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale > in comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple > of my local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we > need to be encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine > restoration and model building. > Most of the stuff I post is just to give us something engine related to > discuss during those long winter months. > I do hope to write an article for GEM someday, on the behalf of my son > Devin and the restoration of his Baker Monitor. I think he would enjoy > seeing the fruits of his labor in a magazine. We all enjoyed seeing how > proud Lincoln Tucker was to see his picture on the front of GEM. I'd > like to see the same look on Devin's face too. > Thanks for your kind words. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Curt; > > Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS > > IN > >GEM!!! > > > >We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. > >Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final > >coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. > > > >And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. > > > >GEM is missing something lately > > > >Thanks for taking the time pard!!! > > > >Rick and Corky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > >To: "SEL" > >Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM > >Subject: [SEL] Please critique > > > > > > > > > >>Guys, > >>As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > >>Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > >>may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > >>requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > >>try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > >>me what I might add, change, or improve. > >>Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Apr 16 13:43:50 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 R Fink At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would >just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are >on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to >consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it >is going to be even higher by then. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 16 12:00:37 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:00:37 -0500 Subject: Fw: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices] Message-ID: <002301c542b6$94241180$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices] Marv, I don't know where the saying "two seasons, winter and one month of hard sledding" come from. This is logging country here and I did work in the woods prior to going in the army.during World War 2.Lumberjacks are now about a thing of the past. The machine cuts the tree down, limbs it and is hauled tree length to the paper mills and weighed, not scaled. It used to be cut in 4 foot lengths and if hemlock spruce or fir it had to be peeled. In the winter it used to be dumped into the streams and rivers and floated down to the mills in the spring. This is no longer allowed. I have heard many a story about loosing teams of horses hauling loads across the lakes. In fact my friend lost his truck and load driving across a lake (thin ice caused by a spring) I had better get something "on topic" here. My father bought a new 6 HP IHC, Igniter engine about 1918. He used it just for sawing wood for heating and cutting ensilage ( corn fodder) for the silo. He had it and the saw on skids which he towed around with horses even to the neighbors.At the beginning of World War 2 he had it stored in the barn and it became stuck. The government had a repair program where they furnished tools,shop and instructors that farmers could bring there farm equipment in for repair. I talked my Dad into bringing the 6 HP "M" there. I got the engine unstuck and running and we used it on the farm once again cutting corn for the silo. About 1950 he sold the farm and had an auction. At the auction I started the engine and it sold for $15.00. I left the State of Maine shortlytly after and pursued a career in aircraft. When I was relocated in Missouri from Switzerland I bought a house across the street from a guy the was president of the local engine and tractor club. That's how I got into the engine hobby. For the past several years I have hunted the State of Maine all over looking for this 6 HP "M" but never have found it (I could identify it from some welded repairs). In fact today I would pay $1,000 for this engine. So thats how I got into the engine hobby and why IHC engines have been one of my favorites. Charlie Bryant >From Maine-the two season Country ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "Charles R Bryant" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices] charlie, my ?? is, did maine or minnesota lumberjacks originate the winter and tough sledding saying? my dad was a logger and my grandfather ran horse-powered logging camps here around the turn of the century so i've heard that saying since i was a wee tyke!! i grew up with work horses on the farm and in the woods as well. now i enjoy going to the shows to "play" with the equipment i grew up with :-)) marv in minn Charlie Bryant hard sledding From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 11:40:42 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:40:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mailing boxes Message-ID: Well learnt sometin yesterday and thot I'd share. The USPS has flat rate boxes. 2 sizes, I think and the biggest is about twice the size of a shoebox. You pick them up free at the P.O. and stuff them full of lead if you like, but it's only a little over 7 rockets to ship it anywhere in the U.S. I know: "Where ya been, Rick?" Worked good for shipping to Rowlands!! later, Rick PS: And I guess you go to www.usps.com and sign up for making address labels...going there now From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 16 11:48:52 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:48:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Richard, I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Richard Fink Sr wrote: > It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 > R Fink > > > > > > At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: > >> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >> Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I >> would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older >> folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a >> factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According >> to the news it is going to be even higher by then. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 16 12:12:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:12:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mailing boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of my bullet casting buddies have been stuffing them full of lead and mailing them, in fact. You can do the same with babbitt, which makes it on topic. On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Well learnt sometin yesterday and thot I'd share. The USPS has flat > rate > boxes. 2 sizes, I think and the biggest is about twice the size of a > shoebox. You pick them up free at the P.O. and stuff them full of > lead if > you like, but it's only a little over 7 rockets to ship it anywhere in > the > U.S. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 16 12:14:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med students that the other day and they looked at me like I was from another planet. On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Richard, > I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 > It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 16 12:17:47 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c542b8$fae933d0$6ba39b18@jake> You are the only that can aford $1,190,000.00 Judge Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Richard, > I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 > It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Richard Fink Sr wrote: > >> It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 >> R Fink >> >> >> >> >> >> At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >> >>> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >>> Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I >>> would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older >>> folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a >>> factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According >>> to the news it is going to be even higher by then. >>> >>> Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 13:04:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:04:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mailing boxes References: Message-ID: Also soap..'bout the right size. And I was jus thinkin' of babbitt in a box. Be a great way for one of the vendors to ship the heavy stuff. I'll mention that to Ed next time I chat with him. later John Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mailing boxes > Some of my bullet casting buddies have been stuffing them full of lead > and mailing them, in fact. > > You can do the same with babbitt, which makes it on topic. > > On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Well learnt sometin yesterday and thot I'd share. The USPS has flat > > rate > > boxes. 2 sizes, I think and the biggest is about twice the size of a > > shoebox. You pick them up free at the P.O. and stuff them full of > > lead if > > you like, but it's only a little over 7 rockets to ship it anywhere in > > the > > U.S. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 13:22:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:22:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] G.O.A.T Message-ID: Good Old Antique Transportation Howdy all; Anyone live around Craig Anderson in Wausau, Wi? He won't ship 2, 36" "Traveling Wheels" with removable short axles for my McD Grain Binder. http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2AC526EA Sure looks out of the beaten path to me. If I could get them to a nearby show this summer, I think I can get them headed west. Definetly make it worth your while! RickinMt. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 16 14:31:58 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:31:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] G.O.A.T References: Message-ID: <001b01c542cb$bbc94010$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rick, it's a pitty I live not just around the corner, I have three sets in stock of those wheels. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/grainbinderwheels.jpg I used them as rear wheels for my 6 hp M horse trucks. John H. > > Anyone live around Craig Anderson in Wausau, Wi? He won't ship 2, 36" > "Traveling Wheels" with removable short axles for my McD Grain Binder. > RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 14:58:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:58:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] G.O.A.T References: <001b01c542cb$bbc94010$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Yes it is John. If I just have the arms, I could probably find IHC wheels. Any casting numbers on those babies? or the arms? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] G.O.A.T > Rick, it's a pitty I live not just around the corner, I have > three sets in stock of those wheels. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/grainbinderwheels.jpg > I used them as rear wheels for my 6 hp M horse trucks. > > John H. > > > > > > Anyone live around Craig Anderson in Wausau, Wi? He won't ship 2, 36" > > "Traveling Wheels" with removable short axles for my McD Grain Binder. > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 16 16:42:14 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:42:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: <000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com> <000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: > I already told him that, I did some searching in the parts book >and this type of pumps were only used in 1906-07 on the Port. >and Fam. outfits. Looking at the engine tag it has to be a R1xxx >serial # what means a 1906-07 Tank cooled engine not a Screen >cooled because these came first in 1907. >They had ( the 4 hp) a 8"x 1 5/16" drive pulley on the engine and >the same year the factory changed it in a 3"x 1 5/16" pulley. >The only water tank I could find for these early engine was a 30"x48" >tank of 114 gallons capt. >IMHO it's worth to buy it and own an early one Mike. John and Tommy, Thanks for all of the info! I apologize for a repeat question but I did not get any emails from you regarding the pump (that's why I emailed you a second time). Maybe they are lost in cyberspace somewhere :-)! So by your research, you think that this engine should be tank cooled and not screen cooled? Would it have had a pump at all if it was screen cooled? Again, thanks for the info. Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Apr 17 02:39:38 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:39:38 Subject: [SEL] Sandstone Cosmos & Steam weekend Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050417023938.009b2ac0@127.0.0.1> Hi List Greetings from South Africa. Last weekend the Sandstone Heritage Trust held a Steam & Cosmos weekend. It was great with plenty of steam train rides on their narrow guage railway. A few of us were also invited to display engines. It was not strictly speaking an engine show but there were about 20 engines on display. The most interesting was probably a 1914 Associated Mnfrs, Hired Man belonging to Sagrys Celliers. Fot those of you who helped me find artwork a few weeks ago for Massey Harris (John Hammink, Duncan Denman, Dave Croft and a few others) there is also a pic on the engine page of the end result. (I did reply earlier to say thanks but the list rejected my posting - I used the wrong email address not the one I was registered with so a belated thanks for the help). The pics are at http:// www.oldengine.org/members/evans (Link about halfway down the page) Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 16 17:45:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:45:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer EUREKA!! Message-ID: <1113698742.4261b1b61f61b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Craig Prucha has finished boring the cylinder on my Bessemer half-breed and the piston is off being flame-sprayed. When he was cleaning up the back flange of the cylinder he ran across a number of stampings. "F" in 2 areas and then an "OK" in another. AND a four digit number; 9537 that I'll wager is the S/N of the Bessemer cylinder!! The S/N of the Farrer & Trefts steam bed is stamped in the top edge of the flange where the cylinder mounts. That number is 6463. Have any of you Bessemer half-breed folks had your cylinder off? Do you have a S/N stamped on the flange face? If so, what range of S/Ns do we have? Does anyone have a clue as to when #9537 might have been built? Left to my own devices, I'll take the production data from some of their adverts and the original patent date and assume linear production. See ya, Arnie PS - What is the email or web address to order OFES T-shirts? Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 16 18:12:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:12:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer EUREKA!! In-Reply-To: <1113698742.4261b1b61f61b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1113698742.4261b1b61f61b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050416211026.0270fe68@mail.alltel.net> >Have any of you Bessemer half-breed folks had your cylinder off? >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I'll thank you to remember that this is a family friendly List! Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 20:24:35 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Bessemer EUREKA!! Half-Breed OT In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050417032435.92911.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not a half-breed,,,,, My paternal grandfather was though. I guess that makes me an eighth-breed. Alan Bowen --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >Have any of you Bessemer half-breed folks had your cylinder off? > >See ya, Arnie > > Hi Arnie, I'll thank you to remember that this is a family friendly List! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Apr 17 07:21:45 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:21:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072009.01a894e0@mail.pennswoods.net> You are right Tommy. they put the numbers to close together on this key board am always hitting wrong one. R Fink PA At 11:48 AM 4/16/2005, you wrote: >Richard, > I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Richard Fink Sr wrote: > >>It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 >>R Fink >> >> >> >> >> >>At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >> >>>My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >>>Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would >>>just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are >>>on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to >>>consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news >>>it is going to be even higher by then. >>> >>>Paul >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Apr 17 07:24:00 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:24:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was younger then. about 58 years ago. R Fink PA At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: >I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med students >that the other day and they looked at me like I was from another planet. > >On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >>Richard, >> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >>It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Sun Apr 17 05:01:25 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:01:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron as we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed at our house under construction, They must have been pros as 2 sheets of iron were unscrewed at the rear of the shed which was not in clear view. They had a good look around, opened but passed up on 3 old grease covered socket sets, tried to unsuccessfully jimmy open a locked empty tool cupboard. On the plus side there wasn't any damage. On the minus side a new and full roll of MIG wire was taken. The shed is stacked with all my engines and other gear which was apparently of no interest. Seems they were after a quick cash turnover looking for tools etc with no serial numbers and that it must be too heavy / hard to off load tonnes of cast iron at the pub or local Trash 'n' Treasure. To my very good fortune! Anyway, so it has been a weekend of bolting the iron sheets down and beefing up the locks. Here's hoping there are no return visits. So the lesson is - Be prepared, it will happen to you one day and probably when you least expect it! Regards, Mark Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. 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From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 16 17:26:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:26:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Two Cuties on eBay Message-ID: <1113697592.4261ad38ee460@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Have a peek at these two cuties... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5968735673 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steam Engine, Revolving Cylinder, Six Pistons Item number: 5968735673 ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7507167456 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gas Engine, Thompson Engine Company, Hit and Miss Item number: 7507167456 ----------------------------------------------------------------- John Fankhauser built one of those six piston steam engines. Really made your head hurt to study it in motion. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 17 06:34:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:34:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/2005 3:38:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal >> Gas price wars in the early 60's around Pittsburgh, Pa., I pumped it for 17 cents. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 17 06:44:10 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:44:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sandstone Cosmos & Steam weekend Message-ID: <141.43d0c4d4.2f93c22a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/16/2005 9:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: << Last weekend the Sandstone Heritage Trust held a Steam & Cosmos weekend. It was great with plenty of steam train rides on their narrow guage railway. >> Jerry, Thanks for posting the pictures of your show. It is an absolutely gorgeous place to have one and enjoyed seeing all the scenery! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 17 07:39:23 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:39:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine Message-ID: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> Yesterday, Millie and I went to a newly formed show near the North Carolina border about 1 1/2 hr from home and had a nice outing for the first time this year meeting many new folks and a number of old acquaintances. A fellow came up and got to talking about an engine he had and wanted to know if I would be interested in purchasing it. I kept thinking I had seen him somewhere and as it turned out he had been to our local show about 10 years ago with it. He pulled in with a motor home and the trailer with the engine and a motorcycle on it. He had gone thru a dip in the road too fast somewhere and had bent the trailer jack back. I got him a winch, and helped straighten it. He rode his motorcycle that evening and pulled out sometime in the night due to coming rain. Had not seen the engine or person since and no name to contact. The engine was a most unusual one and made by the Parkersburg Machine Co., Company, W.Va., Parmaco engines. As I remember it looked very much like a Hercules engine, only it had a sideshaft. Another fellow and I looked this engine over with curiosity and were going to talk to the owner the next morning and possibly purchase it. So, after 10 years it has surfaced again with the same owner who told me it was a yard ornament at this place. I have made arrangements to see it this week, and of course take pictures if I remember the camera. Would anyone have any information on the Parmaco engines? If memory serves me correctly this engine was gas, but the BRB indicates oil engines. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 17 10:06:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:06:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] When all else fails Message-ID: I found this extended tip for a gas axe. For removing a key wouldn't this work good after drilling all the way thru the key? Just one of my many BF's http://www.thermadyne.com/vec/literature/pdfs/094_65-2007.pdf Comments anyone? RickinMt. From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 17 11:18:54 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Two Cuties on eBay References: <1113697592.4261ad38ee460@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002a01c54379$ea813fd0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> I have a 3/8" socket attachment like the revolving cylinder engine. It's a neat little thing but doesn't work well. It's a heck of a novelty.It is a five cylinder unit. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Two Cuties on eBay > Hi Folks, > > Have a peek at these two cuties... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5968735673 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Steam Engine, Revolving Cylinder, Six Pistons > Item number: 5968735673 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7507167456 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Gas Engine, Thompson Engine Company, Hit and Miss > Item number: 7507167456 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > John Fankhauser built one of those six piston steam engines. Really made > your > head hurt to study it in motion. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 17 11:19:11 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] When all else fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, That's a pretty useful looking tip! I think I need one! As to using it on a drilled gib key, personally I wouldn't do it. The cutting torch wouldn't bother the cast iron hub of the flywheel, but I think there would be a really high probability of flame-gouging the keyway in the crankshaft. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > I found this extended tip for a gas axe. For removing a key wouldn't this > work good after drilling all the way thru the key? > http://www.thermadyne.com/vec/literature/pdfs/094_65-2007.pdf From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Apr 17 11:41:38 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:41:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com><000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Mike, the screen cooled engines had a water pump too, They had alot pump changings, yours 1906-07, next the plunger pump 1907-08 replaced 1909-11, than the geared pump 1912-17. Than I found a screen cooled tank for the 4 hp 1912-17 of 13 gallons and some images call screen cooled engines tank cooled engines, so I think it's a little unclear at all. John H. > So by your research, you think that this engine > should be tank cooled and not screen cooled? Would it have had a > pump at all if it was screen cooled? Again, thanks for the info. > > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 17 12:04:01 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:04:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] When all else fails References: Message-ID: Let's forget that BF gang...It only runs close to 200 rockets. Unless of course Arnie buys one and we can borrow. Upward and onward RickiMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] When all else fails > Hi Rick, > > That's a pretty useful looking tip! I think I need one! > > As to using it on a drilled gib key, personally I wouldn't do it. > The cutting torch wouldn't bother the cast iron hub of the flywheel, but I > think there would be a really high probability of flame-gouging the keyway > in the crankshaft. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > I found this extended tip for a gas axe. For removing a key wouldn't > > this > > work good after drilling all the way thru the key? > > http://www.thermadyne.com/vec/literature/pdfs/094_65-2007.pdf > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Apr 17 12:37:37 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:37:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine References: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c54384$eba17be0$2fae123f@oemcomputer> Tom, The Parkersburg Machine Co. sold several different engines made by various manufacturers. The Model T Thermoil look alike (made by Hercules) shown in the BYB is just one of them. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine > Yesterday, Millie and I went to a newly formed show near the North Carolina > border about 1 1/2 hr from home and had a nice outing for the first time this > year meeting many new folks and a number of old acquaintances. > > A fellow came up and got to talking about an engine he had and wanted to know > if I would be interested in purchasing it. I kept thinking I had seen him > somewhere and as it turned out he had been to our local show about 10 years ago > with it. He pulled in with a motor home and the trailer with the engine and a > motorcycle on it. He had gone thru a dip in the road too fast somewhere and > had bent the trailer jack back. I got him a winch, and helped straighten it. > He rode his motorcycle that evening and pulled out sometime in the night due > to coming rain. Had not seen the engine or person since and no name to > contact. > > The engine was a most unusual one and made by the Parkersburg Machine Co., > Company, W.Va., Parmaco engines. As I remember it looked very much like a > Hercules engine, only it had a sideshaft. Another fellow and I looked this engine > over with curiosity and were going to talk to the owner the next morning and > possibly purchase it. So, after 10 years it has surfaced again with the same > owner who told me it was a yard ornament at this place. I have made > arrangements to see it this week, and of course take pictures if I remember the camera. > > Would anyone have any information on the Parmaco engines? If memory serves me > correctly this engine was gas, but the BRB indicates oil engines. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bowtie71chevelle at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 14:52:03 2005 From: bowtie71chevelle at yahoo.com (Bryan Boyce) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Colored and Tagged Message-ID: <20050417215203.36061.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys! I finished the little ZD i was working on....and I need a tag for it to be complete... Does anyone happen to know where i can find a tag for a 2hp ZD?? Also, I've started working on my 3 Mule Team again,,,this time ready for paint,,,does anyone know a paint color/number that matches the associated color?? Keep 'em runnin smooth. Bryan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From asouth at strato.net Sun Apr 17 15:29:10 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:29:10 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com><011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> <6.1.2.0.0.20050416084340.02210e00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c5439c$e122f190$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> *Snip* ("Why the hell do you want to live to be 80?" Dave PS, I do think that Portland is probably one GOOD reason to want to live to be 80, but if you need another one I think that Bambi and Nitro will be there with Arnie and me this year. Let me know if you want to be introduced to them! PPS, The dinner count is now up to 37! ) Is that the way you did it? lol. Dave, I never said I want to live to be 80! If I were introduced to Nitro and Bambi, and my wife found out, I wouldn't live to be 64! haha. Art PS, the dinner number will climb higher just about the dead line. Y'all have a good week and don't pick on me this week, as I won't be around to read what you say. hahaha I have thick skin, go ahead. C'ya, Art Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 17 15:46:40 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:46:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Howard Australia Message-ID: <009801c5439f$53360f40$fa4c1152@no1> Passed on from the UK list I have just aquired a Howard Terier Cultivator with no details. Wondering if any 1 may have manual , pics on it. It was manufactured in Australia and has the Howard L motor 4.5 HP I believe gkjones at slingshot.co.nz (Gordon) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 16:31:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:31:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Show Message-ID: <6f60251605041716313b6d6ea4@mail.gmail.com> Got back to San Jose a while earlier, but had a good couple of visits to the Tulare show, met up with Rob & Kelley, Ron, Merle, George, Larry & Ken and others. Weather was great, very hot on the Saturday and looking to be that way on Sunday as well. Got about 180 shots of various items of old iron in the can, will spend a day or so editing them and getting set up on the web pages. We are scheduled for the Sacremento Rail Museum tomorrow, and the Pampanito submarine in SFO if we get time on Tuesday. Fly home Wednesday, but it has been a great trip so far. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 17 18:29:05 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:29:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200504180129.j3I1T6kZ096750@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be > going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" I've been hearing a lot of sniveling about gas prices. Boo f'ing hoo. When I was a lad, buying my first car in 1979, it was when prices where just pushing over the one dollar mark. One gallon of gasoline at $1.05 in 1979 dollars, when adjusted for inflation to 2005 dollars, comes to $2.80. The average cost of gasoline nationwide has not yet reached that mark. GASOLINE IS CHEAPER TODAY THAN IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO. Now whose income has matched inflation for the past 25 years? If you retired in 1979 with a fixed income, you are allowed to snivel (but not much because you planned poorly). If you're a working stiff, your experiences and skills should increase, earning you higher wages, even when adjusted for inflation. So for you as an individual, the price of gasoline should be DRAMATICALLY cheaper than it was in 1979. What other commodity can you think of that has gone down in price? Houses? Beer? Cars? Don't your cars get better milage than they did in 1979? Considering the lower price when adjusted for inflation, you're increased wages, and better mileage mean you're paying less for gasoline now than ever before. So tell me again what everyone is whimpering about. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 17 18:34:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:34:33 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <00ed01c5439c$e122f190$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> <6.1.2.0.0.20050416084340.02210e00@mail.alltel.net> <00ed01c5439c$e122f190$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050417213234.0d653780@mail.alltel.net> >Dave, I never said I want to live to be 80! If I were introduced to Nitro >and Bambi, and my wife found out, I wouldn't live to be 64! haha. >Art Hi Art, Bambi and Nitro are VERY discrete--your wife will NEVER suspect anything! Dave PS, If you want the two of them together you may never see 63 1/2! From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Apr 17 19:08:32 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:08:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <426316A0.7060802@comcast.net> In 1972,I worked for an Independent Gas station (Kayo),in Flint,Michigan.This station was located on an intersection,not close to a Freeway.(3 miles away). I don't recall what the "Normal" price for a gallon of gas was,maybe$0.359 or so....Kayo was a high-volume station.All we did was sell gas and oil,etc.,no work on cars. Across the street was a Shell station which charged 1 or 2 cents more/gallon.They did a lot of mechanical work. Another station (Texaco) on the 3rd corner charged 5 cents more per gallon....they really didn't want to sell gas,but did lots of mechanical work. All gas stations at that time were full-service,and the "Islands"(remember those?) were about 40' apart.We had 3 islands with 2 pumps per.We got our gas delivered by different name-brand stations...Shell,Texaco,Citgo,whatever....always late at night (we were a 24-hour station).The other Stations were open only in the Daytime. In the winter of '72/'73,Our district manager kept calling the station to tell us to lower the price,1 cent at a time,every few hours; over 2 or 3 days.He visited the station on the 3rd day, and I asked him why the price kept going down. He replied that there was a glut of gas,and they were trying to get rid of it.Customers were lined up by the 2nd day,and people were ripping the workers off, by pumping their own gas and paying us less than was pumped,the next customer would reset the pump, and pump his gas before we could check the amount pumped. The adjacent stations were lowering their prices, in response to our lowering, but keeping the same "cents per gallon"spread. There was only one person working per shift,and just before I quit working there, (cost me money through shortages) we were down to $0.169/gallon.A few months later,the "Gas Crisis" hit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Richard Fink Sr wrote: > John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was > younger then. about 58 years ago. > R Fink > PA > > > > At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: > >> I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med >> students that the other day and they looked at me like I was from >> another planet. >> >> On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> Richard, >>> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >>> It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. >> >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Apr 17 19:11:53 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:11:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <200504180129.j3I1T6kZ096750@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001201c543bb$ff2223e0$76b4123f@oemcomputer> Here is another interesting gasoline observation. About 2 months ago I drove 400 miles to a gas engine auction. I left early the day before and took a leisurely trip with the cruise control on my Chevy 2500HD gasoline powered pick up set on 62 MPH. I was on interstates almost the whole way. I averaged 18.6 MPG. On the return trip(still with no load) I set the cruise on 70 and averaged 15 MPG. Using gas prices of the time, it cost me $42 for gas going and $52 for gas coming home. That's a 20 percent difference in fuel costs. 20 percent off of $2.10 gas equates to $1.60. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be > > going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" > > I've been hearing a lot of sniveling about gas prices. Boo f'ing hoo. > > When I was a lad, buying my first car in 1979, it was when prices where just > pushing over the one dollar mark. One gallon of gasoline at $1.05 in 1979 > dollars, when adjusted for inflation to 2005 dollars, comes to $2.80. The > average cost of gasoline nationwide has not yet reached that mark. > > GASOLINE IS CHEAPER TODAY THAN IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO. > > Now whose income has matched inflation for the past 25 years? If you retired in > 1979 with a fixed income, you are allowed to snivel (but not much because you > planned poorly). > > If you're a working stiff, your experiences and skills should increase, earning > you higher wages, even when adjusted for inflation. So for you as an > individual, the price of gasoline should be DRAMATICALLY cheaper than it was in > 1979. > > What other commodity can you think of that has gone down in price? Houses? > Beer? Cars? Don't your cars get better milage than they did in 1979? > > Considering the lower price when adjusted for inflation, you're increased wages, > and better mileage mean you're paying less for gasoline now than ever before. > > So tell me again what everyone is whimpering about. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 17 19:54:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:54:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine In-Reply-To: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> References: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <42632165.4030808@scrtc.com> Tom, I've seen 4 of the engines like you mention. One was at Portland several years ago, another was at Kurt Baxters. The last complete one was at an auction (possibly the Archer auction in Des Moines, IA about 4 years ago). Your're right, from a distance they have the Herc look. Squared hopper, etc. The sideshaft ones that I have seen have had what looks like a steam engine governor on the front of the sideshaft. There was also an incomplete Parmaco at the Red Buchanon auction in IA about 2 1/2 years ago. It was missing several parts and the flywheels were cracked. I have seen a book on them but don't remember who had it, maybe Chester Bills. If I remember I'll send you the info. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Would anyone have any information on the Parmaco engines? If memory serves me >correctly this engine was gas, but the BRB indicates oil engines. > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Apr 17 20:56:40 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:56:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net><6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> <426316A0.7060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002401c543ca$a19553a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Approximately 1934 our neighbor, who had a small machine shop,put in a gas tank with the hand pump. He was selling gas for 8 cents a gallon.Probably there weren't over 10 automobile or trucks in a 10 mile radius so I don't think he sold much gas. He had a 1933 Buick (with wooden pokes) which from start of winter to end of mud season he put on jacks.. One cold winter day he remarked in the near future you will be able to drive a car from Maine to California in the winter time in just your shirt,without a jacket. In the early sixties when I was employed at U.S.Steel they had there own fuel farm for there executive turbo prop airplanes. They were paying 15 cents per gallon. Cost of doing business has sure gone up through the years. Charlie Bryant > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > > John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was > > younger then. about 58 years ago. > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: > > > >> I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med > >> students that the other day and they looked at me like I was from > >> another planet. > >> > >> On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> > >>> Richard, > >>> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 > >>> It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > >> > >> > >> > >> John Culp > >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/05 > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Apr 17 20:16:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:16:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted Message-ID: <42632694.1000401@earthlink.net> Hi all, I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. http://frapa.us/P401.html Jeff Allen From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 17 20:49:55 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:49:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <42632694.1000401@earthlink.net> References: <42632694.1000401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42632E63.9080402@scrtc.com> Jeff, That would be great info to have availble on the computer. Go for it! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and > will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and > quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be > over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of > contents. Take a look here at one page. > > http://frapa.us/P401.html > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Sun Apr 17 21:11:42 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:11:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine Message-ID: <90.5bf8cfa6.2f948d7e@aol.com> Hi Tommy, I'm pretty sure there is ( or was ) a complete Parmaco at Coolspring. I've seen it a couple of times, and I'm guessing it might be part of their collection. Dwight From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 17 21:16:14 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:16:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mags on Ebay Message-ID: <4263348E.4070602@scrtc.com> If anyone needs a Wico EK, there are several mags and parts on ebay. Just go to ebay and type in Wico EK and it will bring up 15 to 20 listings. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 17 22:09:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:09:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <42632E63.9080402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big > project and will take many months. I think I have a good > balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before >I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks >from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. Hi Jeff, That would be a fabulous resource, especially if it was in a list format where one could do a ctrl-f search for the individual(s) to which the patent was issued, the related company, the date, and the title of the patent. Hiscox's listings are incomplete. Many of us do manual patent searches, beating our heads on the keyboard for hours looking for a specific patent. Often the search reveals unrelated engine patents. Perhaps when we run across these patents, we could send them to you for addition to your list. As you mentioned, it would be a monumental task. Take a look at a patent page I put together for Rumely stuff and patents issued to the major players in that company. It's a small list, and the labor to compile that little bit was extensive. http://rumely.rustyiron.com/patents.html Please keep us informed of your intentions on this project. Rob From segray at mlode.com Sun Apr 17 22:46:59 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:46:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps and bent rod (semi OT) In-Reply-To: References: <425E8721.7020507@mlode.com> Message-ID: <426349D3.2090509@mlode.com> I'm late here too, Rick; just got back and settled from the Tulare show this weekend. From memory, the mesh was for added general strength which tended to cover both bases, that of staking and over all strength. Using HS nickel babbit, his bearings were fairly thin compared to the average amount of babbit used in our toys. He would also peen the unmachined pours to increase the density of the babbit before setting up his line boring equipment. These were T blocks with B and C cranks laid in 'em. He would heat and hydraulically compress the rear main on the cranks to shorten them to fit the smaller T rear main. Quite a process to watch! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Richard Strobel wrote: >Day or two later, but good morning to you also, Steve :-). I'm assuming >your Dad did the brass mesh to stake the babbitt in place or was it used to >keep the insert together in case of breakage? > > There's a guy around here that takes his ole truck (with babbitt) to >Sturgis. Has his tools and onboard babbitt making kit in the back. Says he >has to stop once or twice during the trip and work on his bearings. Now >that's high tolerance! > > On another note gang..here's the rod: > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/322492383bUmDwf > >With some heat like Curt suggested, it shouldn't be brain surgery to >straighten, and check with a dial indicator. > >Crank gear might also need replaced as some teeth are bent considerably >(understandable after what they went thru). > >Well later gang, the snow is gone and looks like it might be a nice day. > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > > From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 17 05:26:24 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:26:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c54348$ac9688a0$7fc8eddc@professi0cqjbx> Mark, Luck was on your side that you did not catch the mongrels. If you had and given the bastards a good hiding that they deserved, you would have been charged with assault. Ron Glassby 7 Nullagine Way Gosnells 6110 Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kennedy" To: "sel-lists.stationary-engine.com" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions > I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron as > we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed at > our house under construction, > > They must have been pros as 2 sheets of iron were unscrewed at the rear of > the shed which was not in clear view. They had a good look around, opened > but passed up on 3 old grease covered socket sets, tried to unsuccessfully > jimmy open a locked empty tool cupboard. On the plus side there wasn't any > damage. On the minus side a new and full roll of MIG wire was taken. > > The shed is stacked with all my engines and other gear which was apparently > of no interest. Seems they were after a quick cash turnover looking for > tools etc with no serial numbers and that it must be too heavy / hard to > off load tonnes of cast iron at the pub or local Trash 'n' Treasure. To my > very good fortune! > > Anyway, so it has been a weekend of bolting the iron sheets down and > beefing up the locks. Here's hoping there are no return visits. > > So the lesson is - Be prepared, it will happen to you one day and probably > when you least expect it! > > Regards, > > Mark > > > > Mark Kennedy > Ballarat, Victoria, Australia > > Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy > > 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' > > *********************************************************** > Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in > error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using > attachments check them for viruses and defects. 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Any > representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Apr 18 03:18:10 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:18:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>< p06210207be869ec7f5ba@[139.55.5.47]> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com><000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: >Mike, the screen cooled engines had a water pump too, John, I messed up in my last email. What I meant to ask was would the engine with the 114 gallon TANK still have had a water pump or would it have been thermal siphon cooling? Thanks for all of the great info, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 18 06:46:09 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:46:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050418064432.01a7f9c0@mail.pennswoods.net> John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was younger then. about xx58 years ago.THAT SHOULD READ 48. CAN'T COUNT AFTER LOSING ONE FINGER HE HE R Fink PA At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: >I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med students >that the other day and they looked at me like I was from another planet. > >On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >>Richard, >> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >>It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 18 04:44:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <42632E63.9080402@scrtc.com> <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <2021.165.206.180.144.1113824649.squirrel@antique-engines.com> WOW, Rob - to do that he'll have to skip the image format and OCR every page and then error check then create an ASP or PHP script to do the search. Each page would have to be text - or the text within the image be in a database. There IS software to do this for him, but I doubt he wants to spend the $300+ to get it. (There is software that will scan images and index the text within.....) Bill >> I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big >> project and will take many months. I think I have a good >> balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before >>I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks >>from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. > > Hi Jeff, > That would be a fabulous resource, especially if it was in a list format > where > one could do a ctrl-f search for the individual(s) to which the patent was > issued, the related company, the date, and the title of the patent. > > Hiscox's listings are incomplete. Many of us do manual patent searches, > beating > our heads on the keyboard for hours looking for a specific patent. Often > the > search reveals unrelated engine patents. Perhaps when we run across these > patents, we could send them to you for addition to your list. > > As you mentioned, it would be a monumental task. > > Take a look at a patent page I put together for Rumely stuff and patents > issued > to the major players in that company. It's a small list, and the labor to > compile that little bit was extensive. > http://rumely.rustyiron.com/patents.html > > Please keep us informed of your intentions on this project. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 18 05:16:12 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:16:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine Message-ID: <80.25dcb1b3.2f94ff0c@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/2005 11:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << There was also an incomplete Parmaco at the Red Buchanon auction in IA about 2 1/2 years ago. >> Tommy, Glenn, Dwight, Thanks for the information on the Parmaco engines. I am going to try to make arrangements to go and look at the engine today and take a few pictures and see what is what! From what I am hearing, it must be a fairly rare engine. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 18 05:34:08 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:34:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com><000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000f01c54412$ee33cf00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> The engines with the big water tanks had thermal siphon cooling. The early 4 hp which came first in 1906 had it maybe to, but then in the following months they were fitted with that early G5041 centrifugal water pump you have at that picture, and by 1908 it was normal to have a screen cooled 13 gallon tank with a plunger pump to 1911 and till 1917 with the geared water pump of course everytime starting with a new engine of that year. John H. > > I messed up in my last email. What I meant to ask was would the > engine with the 114 gallon TANK still have had a water pump or would > it have been thermal siphon cooling? > > Thanks for all of the great info, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 18 08:13:30 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:13:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wico Mags on Ebay Message-ID: <87.25ce6d47.2f95289a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/18/2005 12:39:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << If anyone needs a Wico EK, there are several mags and parts on ebay >> Tommy, Looks like "Wisteria42" must have found a garage full of Wico stuff! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 18 08:44:43 2005 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:44:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted/patent list In-Reply-To: <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Lot's of good info there! I too, started a patent list, while tracking down certain patents on items we had, I decided to create a list so that I didn't always start willy-nilly. It's not a very big list right now, but if others do a patent search and want to add to it, it would be a benefit to all. Unfortunately, I did not include the individuals who applied for the patent. Just the patent #, the date, and the description of the item. Here's what I have so far http://homepage.mac.com/kelleygarcia/Engines/FileSharing16.html Many of them are not engine related, but make interesting reading. Again, I started the list to narrow where to begin for future searches at the US Patent web page http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html If it's any help to anybody, have at it! -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 4/17/05 10:09 PM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: >> I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big >> project and will take many months. I think I have a good >> balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before >> I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks >> from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. > > Hi Jeff, > That would be a fabulous resource, especially if it was in a list format where > one could do a ctrl-f search for the individual(s) to which the patent was > issued, the related company, the date, and the title of the patent. > > Hiscox's listings are incomplete. Many of us do manual patent searches, > beating > our heads on the keyboard for hours looking for a specific patent. Often the > search reveals unrelated engine patents. Perhaps when we run across these > patents, we could send them to you for addition to your list. > > As you mentioned, it would be a monumental task. > > Take a look at a patent page I put together for Rumely stuff and patents > issued > to the major players in that company. It's a small list, and the labor to > compile that little bit was extensive. > http://rumely.rustyiron.com/patents.html > > Please keep us informed of your intentions on this project. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 09:00:24 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:00:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure Message-ID: Hi Everybody, Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Apr 18 09:25:11 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:25:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Opinions wanted Message-ID: <410-220054118162511578@coastalnet.com> Jeff, You could make things easier by allowing others on the lists to take perhaps 10 pages and transcribe them. I don't know how many people would be willing, but I certainly would. Some of us on genealogy lists have done that with census reports and it works pretty well. Just a thought. Ken > Subject: Opinions wanted > > Hi all, > > I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and > will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and > quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be > over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of contents. > > Take a look here at one page. > > http://frapa.us/P401.html > > Jeff Allen > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Apr 18 09:38:25 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:38:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <011b01c54435$0c46d010$dc697343@D6R3D961> I didnt read where you applied the proper flux??? did you?? I do not heat the metal read hot. I start heating and then touch the rod to the metal, if it doesnt flow I continue to heat and keep trying till it does. It will never work without the flux. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced > on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. > It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and > whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy > so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my > oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched > the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit > melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow > out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long > enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it > would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it > hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in > a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, > just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it > would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I > messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I > did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be > distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the > main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So > that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 09:44:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder onto the job. I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range before you try and solder with it. Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a really easy process. HTH Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 18 10:31:32 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:31:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <001801c5443c$77888790$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced on > a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It > melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and whacked on > it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy so I tried > it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my oxy/acetylene > torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched the silver > solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated > it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. > It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got > it red hot and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt > the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then quick > started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would > cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the other solder out of > the way and have to do it over again. I messed around for about 4 hours and > didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy guy! After almost throwing the whole > damn model in the scrap bin from being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut > out for model making. After sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and > welded the crankshaft. I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. > Not sure if it will be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. > I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and > didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > Luke Tonneberger Hi Luke, Silver soldering is something I learned a good number of years ago but I still remember a fair amount. One thing I have just found while Googling for a good site for you is how much bullshit is on the web on the subject. See http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/t-solder.htm for a basic guide! You need the joint you are soldering to be clean & fairly tight. I use a powder flux which has to be melted on the joint with a very hot gas flame until it turns into a thin liquid. When the temperature is high enough apply the silver solder stick and allow it to flow into the joint. The entire joint area needs to be very hot & as you move around the joint you need to keep the very hot area moving so that the solder stick keeps liquidising. I advise practising on a few trial pieces before ruining a job. It is a skill well worth learning. Best of luck! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 12:40:24 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:40:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <011b01c54435$0c46d010$dc697343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Yep, I used flux. It's there in sentence #8. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Roger DiRuscio" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:38:25 -0700 > >I didnt read where you applied the proper flux??? >did you?? >I do not heat the metal read hot. I start heating and then touch the rod to >the metal, if it doesnt flow I continue to heat and keep trying till it >does. It will never work without the flux. > >Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc >Collector of antique engines >Fremont,Ca >----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >To: >Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:00 AM >Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > >>Hi Everybody, >> >>Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >>success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced >>on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. >>It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and >>whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy >>so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my >>oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched >>the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit >>melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow >>out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long >>enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it >>would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it >>hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in >>a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, >>just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it >>would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I >>messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy >>guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from >>being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After >>sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I >>did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be >>distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the >>main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So >>that's my silver soldering failure story. >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 12:47:48 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:47:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <001801c5443c$77888790$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, When I was searching for info on how to silver solder I came across that site. The job (crankshaft parts) was pretty much ruined. After attempting to solder it a few times I took everything apart, cleaned everything up again really good, and tried soldering it again. Still couldn't get it. It looked like hell. That's why I was so mad. Took a nice looking crankshaft and totally wrecked it. The next day is when I decided I have nothing to lose at this point and just welded it. Welding I can do, but silver solder is not on my list of skills :-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: "Dave Croft" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:31:32 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:00 PM >Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I >practiced on > > a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It > > melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and >whacked on > > it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy so I >tried > > it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my oxy/acetylene > > torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I >heated > > it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow out my other >solder. > > It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I >got > > it red hot and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not >melt > > the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't >work > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then quick > > started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and it >would > > cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the other solder >out of > > the way and have to do it over again. I messed around for about 4 hours >and > > didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy guy! After almost throwing the >whole > > damn model in the scrap bin from being so frustrated, I figured I'm not >cut > > out for model making. After sleeping on it for a day I took the welder >and > > welded the crankshaft. I did a little at a time so it didn't get too >hot. > > Not sure if it will be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that >point. > > I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over >and > > didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > >Hi Luke, Silver soldering is something I learned a good number of years ago >but I still remember a fair amount. >One thing I have just found while Googling for a good site for you is how >much >bullshit is on the web on the subject. >See http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/t-solder.htm for a basic guide! >You need the joint you are soldering to be clean & fairly tight. >I use a powder flux which has to be melted on the joint with a very hot gas >flame >until it turns into a thin liquid. >When the temperature is high enough apply the silver solder stick and allow >it to flow into the joint. >The entire joint area needs to be very hot & as you move around the joint >you need to keep the very >hot area moving so that the solder stick keeps liquidising. >I advise practising on a few trial pieces before ruining a job. >It is a skill well worth learning. >Best of luck! >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 12:57:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:57:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so they wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was hot enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It didn't start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the solder to melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter and hotter, until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness to it and the solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple seconds, then it quit melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything I could, but no luck. I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it up. Just wasn't meant to be. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 > >On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. > > > > >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong >way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do >it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think >that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, >and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder >onto the job. > >I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish >flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you >get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the >solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with >the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. > >I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating >the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range >before you try and solder with it. > >Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a >really easy process. > >HTH > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bhaynes at prexar.com Mon Apr 18 13:39:33 2005 From: bhaynes at prexar.com (Blaine Haynes) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:39:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Robb-Armstrong steam engine info Message-ID: <000801c54456$edf8a9e0$d377fea9@u8c4h2> Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660 Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529 I am searching for any information concerning a Robb-Armstrong horizontal steam engine. The flywheel is 8 foot in diameter. Would appreciate any information about this make engine. Thank you. From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Apr 18 13:55:19 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:55:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050418135035.00c369f8@mail.earthlink.net> Did you use a flux? It is pretty easy to get metal too hot for silver soldering in my limited experience. Once that happens, I found it best to let things cool off, clean the surface with an abrasive and start over. On a clean, fluxed surface I heat until the solder starts to melt and it will wick into the space between the parts immediately. If heating is continued after the space is filled, the bonding can be destroyed. It will be interesting to hear from some of our more expert contributors. Bob Holtzer At 04:00 PM 4/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced >on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. >It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and >whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy >so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my >oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched >the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit >melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow >out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long >enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it >would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it >hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in >a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, >just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it >would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I >messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy >guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from >being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After >sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I >did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be >distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the >main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So >that's my silver soldering failure story. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Apr 18 14:02:39 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:02:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050418135907.00c56898@mail.earthlink.net> I missed the flux! Another thing comes to mind is the type silver solder used. For models and lighter joinings, I prefer low melting. I don't know the specs, however. I have some silver solder that it very high temp melting -- it has been relatively useless for home hobby work. Bob Holtzer At 07:57 PM 4/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Peter, > >I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool >and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the >surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be >soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so >they wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was >hot enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It >didn't start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the >solder to melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter >and hotter, until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness >to it and the solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple >seconds, then it quit melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything >I could, but no luck. >I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it up. Just wasn't meant >to be. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA >============= > >>From: Listerdiesel >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >>Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 >> >>On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> > Hi Everybody, >> > >> > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >> > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. >> >> >> >> >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong >>way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do >>it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think >>that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, >>and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder >>onto the job. >> >>I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish >>flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you >>get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the >>solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with >>the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. >> >>I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating >>the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range >>before you try and solder with it. >> >>Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a >>really easy process. >> >>HTH >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 14:12:53 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:12:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <01b501c5445c$f029abf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I reckon you had the wrong solder! When I make a shaft, it would be hard to see it the dullest of red. Too hot and slag/oxide forms and you are stuffed. If you have the right flux and rod, it goes through the joint as soon as the temp rises to the needed amount. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Peter, > > I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool > and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the > surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be > soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so > they wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was > hot enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It > didn't start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the > solder to melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter > and hotter, until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness > to it and the solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple > seconds, then it quit melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything > I could, but no luck. I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it > up. Just wasn't meant to be. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============= > >>From: Listerdiesel >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >>Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 >> >>On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> > Hi Everybody, >> > >> > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >> > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. >> >> >> >> >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong >>way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do >>it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think >>that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, >>and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder >>onto the job. >> >>I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish >>flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you >>get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the >>solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with >>the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. >> >>I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating >>the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range >>before you try and solder with it. >> >>Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a >>really easy process. >> >>HTH >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 18 14:39:40 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:39:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050418213940.67981.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Luke Silver soldering is an acquired art. Cleanliness is paramount. Make sure the joint is well fluxed. If you are worried about the solder running outside the joint area, coat the limit of solder run with Tippex. The solder will not stick to the Tippex. There needs to be a gap of a couple of thou for the solder to penetrate the joint. Another tip - use a triangular file to make a few channels for the solder to run through the joint if it is a bit tight. Do not use direct heat on the solder. Use the heat (whether it is oxy/acetylene or propane) to generally heat the area to be soldered. It needs to be heated quickly. The flux will turn to a liquid and assuming the heated area is a dull red by then, apply the solder. If you wait too long, the flux breqaks down and becomes ineffective. It should be the heat of the metal that melts the solder, not the flame. The solder will flash round / through the joint. If you see a ring of solder on the other side of the joint, you've got a good 'un. It might be easier to practise on a copper joint before trying steel. Until you are sure of the technique on your scrap /test joints, do not attempt the real job. Another thing: Once the solder has set, it takes a higher temperature to remelt it than the original melting temperature. Best of luck with your next try. Hope this helps. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. > I practiced on a piece of steel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 18 14:51:35 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:51:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Fwd: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure Message-ID: <20050418215135.69532.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Luke Silver soldering is an acquired art. Cleanliness is paramount. Make sure the joint is well fluxed. If you are worried about the solder running outside the joint area, coat the limit of solder area with Tippex. The solder will not stick to the Tippex. There needs to be a gap of a couple of thou for the solder to penetrate the joint. Another tip - use a triangular file to make a few channels for the solder to run through the joint if it is a bit tight. Do not use direct heat on the solder. Use the heat (whether it is oxy/acetylene or propane) to generally heat the area to be soldered. It needs to be heated quickly. The flux will turn to a liquid and assuming the heated area is a dull red by then, apply the solder. If you wait too long, the flux breqaks down and becomes ineffective. It should be the heat of the metal that melts the solder, not the flame. The solder will flash round / through the joint. If you see a ring of solder on the other side of the joint, you've got a good 'un. Having said the above, there are different grades of silver solder. Generally, the higher the silver content, the lower the melting point. Johnson Matthey Easy Flo 2 has a melting point of about 618 deg. Silver flo has a higher melting point 675 deg, I believe. Other manufacturers will have equivalents. Beware, many silver solders have cadmium and phosphorus in their make up. You must have sufficient ventilation to avoid possible health hazards. It might be easier to practise on a copper joint before trying steel. Until you are sure of the technique on your scrap /test joints, do not attempt the real job. Another thing: Once the solder has set, it takes a higher temperature to remelt it than the original melting temperature. Best of luck with your next try. Hope this helps. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. > I practiced on a piece of steel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From falcon at telenet.net Mon Apr 18 15:08:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:08:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <00b201c54463$30e82b20$561117d1@net.telenet.net> Luke, Use the Force.... Anyway, Did I understand you correctly when you stated you were heating the part, then moving the heat away and letting the solder melt? If so that could be the problem. You need to keep the part at solder melting temp until your finished. Also you should be applying the solder out of the flame area, It is basically the same as soft soldering just with higher temps. You need the solder to wick into the joint and make a nice fillet in angled areas. Also what was the steel wool? New fresh out of the pack? That usually has a light oil on it to keep it from rusting. That could have caused a problem. I usually clean the part, go over it with a scotch brite Then wipe it off with lacquer thinner. Then apply the flux. Only time I had a problem was with some cast iron parts that were oil soaked. Had to heat them up good to get the oil out before anything could be done. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Peter, > > I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool > and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the > surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be > soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so they > wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was hot > enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It didn't > start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the solder to > melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter and hotter, > until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness to it and the > solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple seconds, then it quit > melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything I could, but no luck. > I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it up. Just wasn't meant to > be. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============= > > >From: Listerdiesel > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 > > > >On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. > > > > > > > > >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong > >way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do > >it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think > >that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, > >and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder > >onto the job. > > > >I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish > >flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you > >get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the > >solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with > >the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. > > > >I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating > >the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range > >before you try and solder with it. > > > >Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a > >really easy process. > > > >HTH > > > >Peter > >-- > >Peter A Forbes > >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Apr 18 15:31:51 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:31:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <01b501c5445c$f029abf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00da01c54466$6be80d50$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> One other detail about silver soldering. Never solder anything into a blind hole without drilling a weep hole across or out the bottom. If not done the flux will boil, build up pressure and shoot the part out of the hole. Make sure there is no trap for a pressure buildup. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 18 15:41:35 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:41:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <001601c54467$c7b31610$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Dave, > When I was searching for info on how to silver solder I came across that > site. The job (crankshaft parts) was pretty much ruined. After attempting > to solder it a few times I took everything apart, cleaned everything up > again really good, and tried soldering it again. Still couldn't get it. It > looked like hell. That's why I was so mad. Took a nice looking crankshaft > and totally wrecked it. The next day is when I decided I have nothing to > lose at this point and just welded it. Welding I can do, but silver solder > is not on my list of skills :-) > Luke Tonneberger Luke, Don't be put off! Find the correct Silver solder & flux & try again using test jobs. No one has knocked you for it, as most of us had problems in the begining but it is such a useful skill that it is worth getting the expertise. Good luck on the next try! Regards, Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 18 16:20:35 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:20:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Opinions wanted and brain fart!! In-Reply-To: <410-220054118162511578@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220054118162511578@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <426440C3.6080501@earthlink.net> Hi all, This looked like a good spot to jump in. First thanks to all for the opinions, and offers of help. I was not too clear on what I am planning, so here it is. I have a 1906 book entitled Gas, Gasoline, and Oil-Engines including Producer-Gas Plants. The sample page was from one chapter that lists patents. The entire book is not about patents. It pretty much covers old engines completely for the time period. Mixers, ingition, governors, etc. Lots of great pictures also. The real beauty is this book is in bad shape externally. Most of the pages are barely held in, so no loss in taking it apart to scan. I think I got a real gem here, and got it cheap because of the condition. $16 on e-bay, and most of these books are way out of line there. My plan is to scan the book and put it online. Last night I just wanted to know if the scan looked good and if the size looked right. I don't want to go to big, but do want enough detail for all to see. Trade off between bandwidth and quality is what I'm looking for. 99% of the work will amout to scanned pages. I will have to type the index and TOC, or try OCR for those pages. That way I can hyperlink to the other pages. Hope this clears things up. Again thanks for all the opinions. Jeff Allen PS.I'll have the next page in your mailbox tonight Peter. PPS. Bill-Contact me off list if you could help with OCR for the index. Ken Christison wrote: >Jeff, > >You could make things easier by allowing others on the lists to take >perhaps 10 pages and transcribe them. I don't know how many people >would be willing, but I certainly would. > >Some of us on genealogy lists have done that with census reports and >it works pretty well. > >Just a thought. > >Ken > > > > >>Subject: Opinions wanted >> >>Hi all, >> >>I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and >>will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and >>quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be >>over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of contents. >> >>Take a look here at one page. >> >>http://frapa.us/P401.html >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> >> >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 18 16:34:06 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:34:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <004901c5446f$20ea45d0$2f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Too hot!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced > on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. > It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and > whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy > so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my > oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched > the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit > melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow > out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long > enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it > would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it > hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in > a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, > just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it > would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I > messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I > did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be > distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the > main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So > that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 18 16:36:19 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:36:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <000601c54348$ac9688a0$7fc8eddc@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: <005301c5446f$702bbb60$2f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> They could have tripped as they ran off ..........with the help of a piece of 4x2!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Glassby" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > Mark, Luck was on your side that you did not catch the mongrels. If you > had > and given the bastards a good hiding that they deserved, you would have > been > charged with assault. > Ron Glassby > 7 Nullagine Way > Gosnells 6110 > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kennedy" > To: "sel-lists.stationary-engine.com" > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:01 PM > Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions > > >> I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron > as >> we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed at >> our house under construction, >> >> They must have been pros as 2 sheets of iron were unscrewed at the rear >> of >> the shed which was not in clear view. They had a good look around, opened >> but passed up on 3 old grease covered socket sets, tried to >> unsuccessfully >> jimmy open a locked empty tool cupboard. On the plus side there wasn't >> any >> damage. On the minus side a new and full roll of MIG wire was taken. >> >> The shed is stacked with all my engines and other gear which was > apparently >> of no interest. Seems they were after a quick cash turnover looking for >> tools etc with no serial numbers and that it must be too heavy / hard to >> off load tonnes of cast iron at the pub or local Trash 'n' Treasure. To >> my >> very good fortune! >> >> Anyway, so it has been a weekend of bolting the iron sheets down and >> beefing up the locks. Here's hoping there are no return visits. >> >> So the lesson is - Be prepared, it will happen to you one day and >> probably >> when you least expect it! >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> Mark Kennedy >> Ballarat, Victoria, Australia >> >> Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy >> >> 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' >> >> *********************************************************** >> Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received > in >> error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using >> attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, >> damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or >> not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files >> our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any >> representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 17:45:00 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:45:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><000601c54348$ac9688a0$7fc8eddc@professi0cqjbx> <005301c5446f$702bbb60$2f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <01f701c54479$0d0d1560$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I, too, hope I never catch anyone in my shed or on my property with evil intent.But,If I catch them.............. And I wont be thinking about further down the track either!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > They could have tripped as they ran off ..........with the help of a piece > of 4x2!! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 18 17:56:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:56:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418204653.02671638@mail.alltel.net> At 12:00 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >success. t point. I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it >still turned over and didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. >Luke Tonneberger Hi Luke, It sounds to me as if you have purchased some of that LIBERAL silver solder. Like most things LIBERAL it simply will not work! The government was to have straightened this out several years ago, but the democrats have been filibustering the issue and the republicans don't have the (silver) balls to use the nuck option! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 18 18:00:04 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:00:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit Message-ID: Howdy all; Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg TIA RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 18 18:31:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:31:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418213046.043508e8@mail.alltel.net> A little work with a file and it will be just fine! Dave At 09:00 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: >Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the >morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash >this crankgear? The other side is ok. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > >TIA >RickinMt. From jbcast at charter.net Mon Apr 18 18:38:31 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 1:38:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit Message-ID: <3rr0ks$s3mdao@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> > Should I trash > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > Rick, the gear will work fine if dressed up, it won't look pretty. I'd use it if I didn't have any thing else. J.B. Castagnos From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 19:10:56 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:10:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: Message-ID: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it running again with no noise. A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair in relation to your wallet!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > TIA > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 18 19:30:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:30:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit..one more thing please References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418213046.043508e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Ok Thanks Dave and JB..one more thing. After getting the crank straightened (which looks like a boomerang with a hernia), should I have it magnafluxed or inspected somehow? Possibly magnafluxing is included in the straigtening..forgot to ask him. ttfn Rick PS: note to self..don't forget tire chains..aaarghhhhhhhhhhh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > A little work with a file and it will be just fine! > Dave > > At 09:00 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: > >Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > >morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > >trash > >this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 19:43:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:43:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160504181943f2d50f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it running > again with no noise. > A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair in > relation to your wallet!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. I'd agree with Reggie on this one, a small file or two and a bit of care and it would be reusable. The tooth form is quite good looking at the pictures, it's just the sides mainly that are damaged. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 18 20:00:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:00:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Well Reg, up here we say..you can dress 'em up, just can't take'm out. In this case, I'll dress the ole Gal's gear up and take her out. That damn wallet does get it the way!! later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it > running > again with no noise. > A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair in > relation to your wallet!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:00 AM > Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > > > Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > > trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 20:28:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:28:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit..one more thing please In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418213046.043508e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605041820281808cc83@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok Thanks Dave and JB..one more thing. After getting the crank straightened > (which looks like a boomerang with a hernia), should I have it magnafluxed > or inspected somehow? Possibly magnafluxing is included in the > straigtening..forgot to ask him. > > ttfn > Rick > PS: note to self..don't forget tire chains..aaarghhhhhhhhhhh Yes, most definitely! Sunny and warm here in Ca..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 23:43:09 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:43:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <025001c544ab$32b22800$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I know ALL about that scene!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Well Reg, up here we say..you can dress 'em up, just can't take'm out. In > this case, I'll dress the ole Gal's gear up and take her out. > > That damn wallet does get it the way!! > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > >> For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it >> running >> again with no noise. >> A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair >> in >> relation to your wallet!! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:00 AM >> Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit >> >> >> > Howdy all; >> > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the >> > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I >> > trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. >> > >> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg >> > >> > TIA >> > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 03:31:35 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419103135.54077.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a good file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an old garden tractor I have and it works fine. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Howdy all; Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg TIA RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Apr 19 04:50:27 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:50:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> People who listen closely to my sheds when it is quiet will here the 'tick 'tick 'tick of the electric fence generator :)... picked up a bull proof electric fence generator at a clearing sale for $10 - may as well use it for something. Paul Mark Kennedy wrote: > I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron > as we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed > at our house under construction, > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 05:11:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:11:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <20050419103135.54077.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. c'ya, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a good > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > TIA > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 19 05:16:57 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:16:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > People who listen closely to my sheds when it is quiet will here the 'tick > 'tick 'tick of the electric fence generator :)... picked up a bull proof > electric fence generator at a clearing sale for $10 - may as well use it > for something. > > Paul > > Mark Kennedy wrote: >> I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron >> as we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed >> at our house under construction, >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 05:21:47 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:21:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160504181943f2d50f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes Peter, the other teeth appear to be in excellent shape. I'll dress up the bad ones and make a decision about tig after that. later Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > On 4/19/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > > For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it > > running > > again with no noise. > > A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair > > in > > relation to your wallet!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I'd agree with Reggie on this one, a small file or two and a bit of > care and it would be reusable. The tooth form is quite good looking at > the pictures, it's just the sides mainly that are damaged. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 19 05:31:16 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:31:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy Message-ID: <200504191231.j3JCVJlr009125@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I had this little engine follow me home tonight. It is in good condition and even has compression :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 19 06:36:38 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:36:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy In-Reply-To: <200504191231.j3JCVJlr009125@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Very nice little engine. How is the speed governed? I don't see any type of governor on it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: , "Stationary Engine ATIS List" > >Subject: [SEL] A New Toy >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:31:16 +1000 > >I had this little engine follow me home tonight. It is in good condition >and >even has compression :) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ /sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 19 06:46:57 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:46:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website Message-ID: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate has finally created a website with oldengine. Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 07:29:18 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419142919.59651.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Rich, Yes I did that also. Chucked it up in the lathe s turn thr outer and end profiles to match the original then filed and ground the shape of the tooth into the weld. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. c'ya, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a good > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > TIA > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 19 07:34:04 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:34:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Luke, I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two additional things come to mind..... 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned was happening. 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but the solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of the solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to the opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting only (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the edge of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver solder will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the joint. Hope this helps, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 19 07:57:18 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:57:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004101c544f0$167e6870$fa4c1152@no1> Hi Joe, That is a very good site! I like your last picture as it is the first "Exhibitors view" shot I have seen of an American show seeing the public & background behind the rope. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Website > Hi List, > After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate > has finally created a website with oldengine. > > Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. > As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 19 08:27:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:27:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <200504151811.j3FIBf4v005351@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200504151811.j3FIBf4v005351@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <4265235D.50008@imc-group.com> Gene, Sorry about taking so long to respond but I have been doing the jury duty thing. Not done yet as I have to go back this afternoon. :-( Yes both are RH threads. Pick 1/2" rods. Fine thread will be 20 threads per inch and course will be 13 threads per inch. As you rotate the turnbuckle 1 turn, the fine thread will advance 1/20 inch and the course thread will advance 1/13 inch. The difference is .027" (7/260 inch). So for every rotation of the turnbuckle you change the length of the pullrods by .027". That's some pretty serious mechanical advantage! If you really wanted some pull you could make special threads. Say 20 threads per inch and 19 threads per inch. One turn of the turnbuckle would advance the pull rods by .0026" (1/380 inch). You might get tired of turning, but you could pull just about anything. Back to the standard screen door turnbuckle with the RH and LH threads. Generally they are 1/4-20 threads. For every rotation of the turnbuckle each rod will move 1/20". However, these are additive not differential. So the real rod movement per rotation of the turnbuckle is 0.10" (1/10). This has only about 1/4 the mechanical advantage of the first example above. In reality screen door turnbuckles are pretty poor mechanical devices. But they work OK so no one has marketed a better one. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Gene Waugh wrote: >Curt, could you go into this a little deeper, or possibly send me to a site >that can explain this turnbuckle more for me?? I can _sorta_ see how the >two tpi could give a differential, but both with rh threads?--that is the >part I cannot visualize. In Ron's example, the winds are opposite, which I >can see where it would provide a compound action. > >TIA---and Thanks also for the pictures & write-up of your piston sequence! > >Gene Waugh >Elgin, Illinois USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 19 08:41:48 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:41:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Arnie and Bill, After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. >Bullshit. > >The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes >out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring >producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents what >happens with normal pinned piston rings. > >A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil >film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring >can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. > >My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. >Take a look at... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg > >As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The cylinder >wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring >ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I >replaced the rings. > >My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and >cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. > >Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for >one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance >improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see >problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > >>You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. >>http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm >> >>One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look >>at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if >>there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an >>unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. >>It's worn all the way around. >> >> >> >>>bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being >>>pinned in place? >>>Curt >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:36:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:36:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <20050419142919.59651.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes Ron..now if I had these attachments, I'd be in FAT city: http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page5.html Thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Rich, Yes I did that also. Chucked it up in the lathe s turn thr outer and > end profiles to match the original then filed and ground the shape of the > tooth into the weld. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a > tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee > a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. > > c'ya, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > > > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a > > good > > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > > Ron > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > > trash > > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! 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Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 19 08:47:48 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:47:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004901c544f7$255bef00$230110ac@PAUL> Looking good Joe, I enjoyed surfing your site. Keep up the good work and I will check back often to see what new things you have added. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Website > Hi List, > After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate > has finally created a website with oldengine. > > Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. > As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:44:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:44:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Many moons ago when I did refrigeration, I seem to remember we also put a slight heat on the silver solder stick and dipped it into the flux. We used a torch connected to "Prestolite"..maybe??? Still got a setup. Don't get no better than sweatin' copper. Loads of fun when one gets proficient. PITA till then:-) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Luke, > I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two > additional things come to mind..... > 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly > reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned was > happening. > 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you > have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but the > solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire > female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of the > solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to the > opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into > melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. > > This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water > pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other > applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and > watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are > trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting only > (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the > heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the > silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the edge > of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver solder > will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the joint. > Hope this helps, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I > > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and > > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and > > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. > > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will > > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it > > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't > > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:46:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:46:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <004101c544f0$167e6870$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Lookin' good Pip..you're way ahead of me! Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:53:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:53:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: And from across the pond comes this. I need to practice also. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/t-solder.htm Rick From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 18 05:16:19 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:16:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Howard Australia References: <009801c5439f$53360f40$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <004801c54410$6e91edb0$0fb21fd3@morris> G'Day Dave he can get a manual at http://www.rallybadges.com/default.asp?cat=Home Kerry > > Passed on from the UK list > I have just aquired a Howard Terier Cultivator with no details. Wondering > if any 1 may have manual , pics on it. It was manufactured in Australia > and has the Howard L motor 4.5 HP I believe > gkjones at slingshot.co.nz (Gordon) > > Dave Croft From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 10:44:23 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3174.165.206.180.144.1113932663.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Technical? Here -> http://www.vtt.fi/inf/pdf/tiedotteet/2002/T2178.pdf :-) You can also think of the angles gap as a means of further restricting gas escape. Although it's not really needed to any degree, it does offer SOME improved sealing while allowing a larger gap. You don't want the ring ends to line up over ports on a 2 stroker - they can "catch" and cause problems with wear, etc. so most strokers are pinned. They also don't experience the same effects as rings in a 4 stroker experience. There are differences in gas movements and pressures. So the rings behave differently and wear differently. I've also heard from old-timers (does Arnie fit that category?) that rings were pinned early on due to the fear of gaps lining up. Pins were also used for unscientific reasons in 4 stroke engines, so why continue if it didn't make sense after later research showed it not needed? Pull the pins and save production costs. They offer no improvement on a 4 stroke. Bill > Arnie and Bill, > After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped > me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the > engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead > of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the > strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end > gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This > assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not > leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of > obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put > the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the > other. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. >>Bullshit. >> >>The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes >>out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring >>producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents >> what >>happens with normal pinned piston rings. >> >>A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil >>film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring >>can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. >> >>My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. >>Take a look at... >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg >> >>As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The >> cylinder >>wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring >>ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I >>replaced the rings. >> >>My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and >>cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. >> >>Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for >>one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance >>improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see >>problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. >>>http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm >>> >>>One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and >>> look >>>at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if >>>there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an >>>unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. >>>It's worn all the way around. >>> >>> >>> >>>>bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being >>>>pinned in place? >>>>Curt >>>> >>>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 10:45:14 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <004901c544f7$255bef00$230110ac@PAUL> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <004901c544f7$255bef00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <3178.165.206.180.144.1113932714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Very nice photos, some great engines, too. Thanks for sharing. Bill > Looking good Joe, I enjoyed surfing your site. Keep up the good work and I > will check back often to see what new things you have added. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph L Betz" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:46 AM > Subject: [SEL] Website > > >> Hi List, >> After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate >> has finally created a website with oldengine. >> >> Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. >> As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 19 10:55:51 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:55:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Howard Australia References: <009801c5439f$53360f40$fa4c1152@no1> <004801c54410$6e91edb0$0fb21fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00f201c54509$07f07af0$fa4c1152@no1> Many thanks, I will pass it on! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard Australia > G'Day Dave > > he can get a manual at http://www.rallybadges.com/default.asp?cat=Home > > Kerry > > > > > Passed on from the UK list > > I have just aquired a Howard Terier Cultivator with no details. Wondering > > if any 1 may have manual , pics on it. It was manufactured in Australia > > and has the Howard L motor 4.5 HP I believe > > gkjones at slingshot.co.nz (Gordon) > > > > Dave Croft > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 11:26:00 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419182601.14500.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Ohooo!!! wouldn't they be great? Oh weel we can dream. That's still free. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Yes Ron..now if I had these attachments, I'd be in FAT city: http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page5.html Thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Rich, Yes I did that also. Chucked it up in the lathe s turn thr outer and > end profiles to match the original then filed and ground the shape of the > tooth into the weld. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a > tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee > a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. > > c'ya, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > > > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a > > good > > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > > Ron > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > > trash > > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 19 11:26:20 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal configuration. See ya, Arnie PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped > me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the > engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead > of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the > strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end > gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This > assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not > leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of > obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put > the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. From nick at holden1.net Tue Apr 19 11:33:22 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:33:22 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <42654EF2.000001.02828@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Joe it looks real good to me i hope when i get to build a web site it looks as good as this first time Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Joseph L Betz Date: 04/19/05 15:09:47 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Website Hi List, After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate has finally created a website with oldengine. Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 12:16:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of what are otherwise butt-end rings<< I guess that's what I'm used to seeing on the pinned rings. Of course, like the old addage goes: 'If every raven I see in my lifetime is black, that does not thus prove that all ravens are black' (or something like that!) Bill > Hi Curt, > > Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were > anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that > configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of > what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal > configuration. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful > theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > >> After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >> me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >> engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >> of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >> strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >> gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >> assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >> leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >> obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >> the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the >> other. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Apr 19 12:16:01 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:16:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings Message-ID: I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so it needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else tried this? From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 19 12:19:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:19:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419151544.04446cb8@mail.alltel.net> > Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the strange wear > pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end gap would > create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This assured the ring > was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not leave an unworn > ridge down the length of the cylinder. >Curt Holland Hi Curt, Pinned, 45ed, butted, or some other configuration I have NEVER seen "an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder" and I would bet that no one else has either! Dave PS, Your comment reminds me of a story: A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Lief off my census." From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 19 12:49:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:49:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: Message-ID: <002001c54518$db03fb10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I'm affraid JB Welt can't stand that pouring heat babbit. Why not use another piece of round stock of the same dia? What I have heard most do. John H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" > > I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is > relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt > pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with > one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so it > needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill > the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried > about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else tried > this? > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 19 12:55:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:55:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.c om> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419155309.044bad30@mail.alltel.net> >'If every raven I see in my lifetime is black, that does not thus prove >that all ravens are black' >Bill Hi Bill, Every raven IS black. There are some TRUTHS that lie outside of human experience. This is one of them! Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 19 12:58:28 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:58:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Apr 19 16:10:57 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:10:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: Message-ID: <015701c54535$0b73aa40$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi Andy, I'm pretty much an expert, having poured a grand total of one bearing, so take my experience for what it's worth. The con rod bearing on my 20 HP Bessemer was in pieces and the crank pin had a pretty bad crater in it as well as some smaller pits. Upon the advice of some true oil field engine experts, I poured the bearing, scraped it, cut oil grooves and left the pits alone, other than cleaning them. The engine runs flawlessly under no load and a max of 80-90 rpm. Since the crank pin is 3 and 3/4 inches in diameter, even a pretty nasty pit has little effect on the structural integrity or so I'm told. You could always pour the bearing and Then fill the pits with JB, thus avoiding the heat of the pour. You'll want to scrape the bearings anyway so the buildup from the pitted areas will be gone. Cut your oil grooves and fire it up. Good luck. Larry in Cat Square, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is > relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt > pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with > one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so it > needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill > the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried > about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else tried > this? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 13:15:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419151544.04446cb8@mail.alltel.net> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050419151544.04446cb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3745.165.206.180.144.1113941737.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Lief off my census."<< ROFL! Oh, good one! From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 13:27:23 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419155309.044bad30@mail.alltel.net> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050419155309.044bad30@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3934.165.206.180.144.1113942443.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Will you quit trying to confuse us all with truth and fact? Oh, I forgot - though this was the political list where truth and fact have no place. Bill > >>'If every raven I see in my lifetime is black, that does not thus prove >>that all ravens are black' >>Bill > > Hi Bill, Every raven IS black. There are some TRUTHS that lie outside of > human experience. This is one of them! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 13:53:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:53:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Is it legal to steal? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 14:16:23 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:16:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00de01c54525$28b84a80$14e3f504@x8h7l9> I inherited a Prestolite set up also. It works on Acetylene and Air. The temperature has to be higher then a propane torch but less than Acetylene and oxygen. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Many moons ago when I did refrigeration, I seem to remember we also put a > slight heat on the silver solder stick and dipped it into the flux. We used > a torch connected to "Prestolite"..maybe??? Still got a setup. > > Don't get no better than sweatin' copper. Loads of fun when one gets > proficient. PITA till then:-) > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > Luke, > > I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two > > additional things come to mind..... > > 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly > > reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned was > > happening. > > 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you > > have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but the > > solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire > > female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of the > > solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to the > > opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into > > melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. > > > > This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water > > pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other > > applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and > > watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are > > trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting only > > (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the > > heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the > > silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the edge > > of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver solder > > will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the joint. > > Hope this helps, > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > > > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I > > > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > > > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and > > > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > > > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > > > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > > > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > > > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > > > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > > > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > > > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and > > > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > > > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > > > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > > > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > > > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > > > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. > > > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will > > > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it > > > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't > > > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > USA From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Apr 19 14:51:11 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Driver licensing Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704478642@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Driver licencing is quite complex in the UK and Europe, you have lots of different classes of licence. I have car, motorcycle and truck licences, but within the average group such as the car or truck there are more sub-classes that you may or may not need a test for. >>>Peter Classes? For a commercial driver's license anywhere in the US, many. Mine is good for autos, motorcycles, trucks under and over 26,000 pounds, trailers over 10,000 pounds GVWR, double and triple trailers, tanks, buses, air brakes, and hazardous materials. Each endorsement has its own written test. If those are passed, you take three "skills tests" which are pre-trip vehicle inspection, basic vehicle control, and an on-road test. Additionally, for commercial drivers the blood alcohol limit is lower (.04 vs .08%), and penalties for drunk or drugged driving are severe. A second offense is loss of license for life. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 19 14:53:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: <015701c54535$0b73aa40$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <015701c54535$0b73aa40$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: Hi Andy, As an alternative to JBWeld, McMaster-Carr lists a couple of high temperature epoxy putties. One for aluminum rated to 1400 deg.F and one for cast iron, steel, and stainless rated to 2000 deg.F. Under $30 for 8 oz. Look for 7356A33 (or 7356A32 for the aluminum). http://www.mcmaster.com/ They also carry the high temperature titanium Devcon rated to 350 deg.F. That's a bit higher at $65 for a pound. Realistically, you could probably use the JBWeld also. The worst that could happen is that some of it burns out leaving a lesser pit than you have now. You'd still need to scrape that as Larry describes, but it would probably be less scraping than if you left the pits unfilled. What diameter is the shaft? If it's beefy, the heat sink effect of the shaft would probably conduct enough heat away that the JBWeld wouldn't be badly damaged. Or just drop $30 and go for the high temperature stuff. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Larry Sain wrote: > I'm pretty much an expert, having poured a grand total of one bearing, so > take my experience for what it's worth. The con rod bearing on my 20 HP > Bessemer was in pieces and the crank pin had a pretty bad crater in it as > well as some smaller pits. Upon the advice of some true oil field engine > experts, I poured the bearing, scraped it, cut oil grooves and left the pits > alone, other than cleaning them. The engine runs flawlessly under no load > and a max of 80-90 rpm. Since the crank pin is 3 and 3/4 inches in > diameter, even a pretty nasty pit has little effect on the structural > integrity or so I'm told. You could always pour the bearing and Then fill > the pits with JB, thus avoiding the heat of the pour. You'll want to scrape > the bearings anyway so the buildup from the pitted areas will be gone. Cut > your oil grooves and fire it up. Good luck. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Glines" > > > I have an issue with one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The > > shaft is badly pitted so it > > needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill > > the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried > > about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 15:12:13 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:12:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <036301c5452d$82c83190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey Luke, ya dun good!! Its all a great big learning curve and then ya die!!! So, SMILE!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder > attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty > simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and > put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston > makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds > pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft > not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed > soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the > piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty > gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the > aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and > figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could > use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I > just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this > time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to > the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I > attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my > beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision > to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not > expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some > parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening > at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll > do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures > showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 15:09:41 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:09:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: <002001c54518$db03fb10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <036201c5452d$825376c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I have used Alloy tube in place of the shaft when pouring. Perfect job and no sticking. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > I'm affraid JB Welt can't stand that pouring heat babbit. > Why not use another piece of round stock of the same dia? > What I have heard most do. > > John H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Glines" >> > >> I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is >> relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt >> pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with >> one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so >> it >> needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to >> fill >> the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried >> about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else >> tried >> this? >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 15:55:06 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:55:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> Hi Joe, Looks great to me. Well laid out. Now all you have to do is move those webshots onto your site. Jeff Allen Joseph L Betz wrote: >Hi List, >After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate >has finally created a website with oldengine. > >Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. >As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 19 16:33:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:33:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Website > Hi Joe, > Looks great to me. Well laid out. Now all you have to do is move those > webshots onto your site. > Jeff Allen Hi Jeff, I have both but it is a damn sight easier to put the pictures on Webshots than write the webpage program. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 16:22:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:22:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <043c01c5453a$1e968d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Further to, WHEN you get it down from the shelf again, bore out the cylinder and put a sleeve in. Not a hard job. A new crankshaft aint a big deal either. Cupla days..... Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder > attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty > simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and > put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston > makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds > pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft > not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed > soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the > piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty > gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the > aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and > figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could > use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I > just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this > time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to > the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I > attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my > beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision > to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not > expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some > parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening > at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll > do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures > showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 19 17:57:10 2005 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:57:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c54543$e23a15b0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Don't scrap it Luke put it on a shelf and in a few years when you gain a few more skills it will be easy to fix the problems.Briggs engines are casted of a special alloy because of the cyl. Tommy Berry -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:58 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 19 18:21:05 2005 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <003701c54547$3ab4f720$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Luke; "The guys that do all the work make all the mistakes". Take a break from it, but you can't have that much time in and not have a need to know what's wrong. Any machinist worth his salt will tell you that no one gets by without a few "boo-boos" in the pail under the bench. You've done some pretty interesting engineering, and when it does run, it will be a really sweet victory. Aluminum cylinders have a special heat treated surface, not very thick, and sensitive to overheating. Have you thought about a sleeve? As to the crank, what if you solder (or weld) it up with the journals left oversize? Finish it between centers, it's got to be true. Don't give up. It's going to run! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy (toolmaker with scrap bucket full under the bench) Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >. I could go > on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I just don't feel I have the > skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this time. I can draw them on the > CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to the machinists. From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:32:05 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:32:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <4265B115.8020705@earthlink.net> Hi all, I had a request for some of the patent pages in the book. No time like the present to test the layout. Give it a look see here. It loads a little slower with the navigation table, but I think it's needed. Page by page, or back and forth between index and TOC and pages. All comments welcome. Only 420 pages to go, plus the index and TOC. My OCR program is pretty good, so I will save myself some thai ping. Enjoy, and comment!! http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P401.html Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:39:42 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:39:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, You are correct, but when we host our own photos there are no adds. Much more work, but worth it for me. I do enjoy the photos that all share regardless of how they do it. Jeff Allen Dave Croft wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Website > > > > >>Hi Joe, >>Looks great to me. Well laid out. Now all you have to do is move those >>webshots onto your site. >>Jeff Allen >> >> > >Hi Jeff, I have both but it is a damn sight easier to put the pictures on Webshots >than write the webpage program. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 17:13:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:13:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> <00de01c54525$28b84a80$14e3f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: I should get mine filled. Suppose I have to pay bounty on that bottle also. But I know I get metal too hot with the oxy-acet...so prestolite might be the answer. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > I inherited a Prestolite set up also. It works on Acetylene and Air. The > temperature has to be higher then a propane torch but less than Acetylene > and oxygen. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > Many moons ago when I did refrigeration, I seem to remember we also put > > a > > slight heat on the silver solder stick and dipped it into the flux. We > used > > a torch connected to "Prestolite"..maybe??? Still got a setup. > > > > Don't get no better than sweatin' copper. Loads of fun when one gets > > proficient. PITA till then:-) > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > > > > Luke, > > > I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two > > > additional things come to mind..... > > > 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly > > > reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned > > > was > > > happening. > > > 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you > > > have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but > > > the > > > solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire > > > female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of > the > > > solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to > > > the > > > opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into > > > melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. > > > > > > This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water > > > pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other > > > applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and > > > watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are > > > trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting > > > only > > > (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the > > > heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the > > > silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the > > > edge > > > of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver > > > solder > > > will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the > joint. > > > Hope this helps, > > > Curt Holland > > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have > > > > any > > > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > > > > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > > > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled > > > > I > > > > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > > > > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on > > > > and > > > > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > > > > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > > > > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > > > > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > > > > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > > > > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > > > > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't > > > > work > > > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > > > > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 > > > > and > > > > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > > > > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > > > > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > > > > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin > > > > from > > > > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. > > > > After > > > > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the > > > > crankshaft. > > > > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it > > > > will > > > > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put > > > > it > > > > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and > > > > didn't > > > > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:58:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:58:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that you are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. Criminals DO have rights mind you. When my brother went through this several years ago, the officer gave some pointers. There are no charges if a man is found beaten on the street and there are no witnesses to the beating. I doubt the electric fence would get you in trouble, but you never know any more. Jeff Allen R & M Ingold wrote: > Is it legal to steal? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > > >> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 19:33:10 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:33:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c54551$51672970$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> I just hope that if someone wants to break into my shed, I come home when it happens. Dead men can't lie! By the way, Hillbilly flywheeler's show in Irvine Kentucky is this weekend. Friday through Sunday, Irvine, Kentucky. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that you are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. Criminals DO have rights mind you. When my brother went through this several years ago, the officer gave some pointers. There are no charges if a man is found beaten on the street and there are no witnesses to the beating. I doubt the electric fence would get you in trouble, but you never know any more. Jeff Allen R & M Ingold wrote: > Is it legal to steal? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > > >> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 20:04:29 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:04:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > You are correct, but when we host our own photos there are no adds. Much > more work, but worth it for me. I do enjoy the photos that all share > regardless of how they do it. > > Jeff Allen There are ways of preventing adverts from appearing, one of which is to put the advert site in a list in Windows that blocks the advert. I personally much prefer website pictures with descriptive text than Webshots or other equivalent sites where text is very limited if allowed at all. A well-documented photo is worthy of much more viewing time. Here is a site that explains about blocking adverts: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ I am just working through the Tulare pictures and the website pages to go with them. There are about 200 or so to do, and pages and menus to go on the site. I hope to spend a fair bit of time on the flight home tomorrow getting these sorted out so I can post them to Oldengine on our return. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 20:39:03 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:39:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4265CED7.9050305@earthlink.net> Hi Peter, I'm sure we all look forward to your pictures. You will once again piss me off because you do it so much better than I. :-)) The time you spend and the quality of the presentation is appreciated. It is not always acknowledged as it should be, and I am as guilty as all. It is always a pleasure to visit your photo albums. Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On 4/20/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > > >>Hi Dave, >> >>You are correct, but when we host our own photos there are no adds. Much >>more work, but worth it for me. I do enjoy the photos that all share >>regardless of how they do it. >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> > > There are ways of preventing adverts from appearing, one of which is to put >the advert site in a list in Windows that blocks the advert. > I personally much prefer website pictures with descriptive text than >Webshots or other equivalent sites where text is very limited if allowed at >all. > A well-documented photo is worthy of much more viewing time. > Here is a site that explains about blocking adverts: > http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ > I am just working through the Tulare pictures and the website pages to go >with them. There are about 200 or so to do, and pages and menus to go on the >site. I hope to spend a fair bit of time on the flight home tomorrow getting >these sorted out so I can post them to Oldengine on our return. > Peter > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 20:32:13 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:32:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3><029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04b201c5455d$48d5e6a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I like the idea of wiring the roofing iron! Might jump the sod to the edge and the fall finishing the job. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. > > It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for > thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that you > are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 21:26:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:26:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <4265CED7.9050305@earthlink.net> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> <4265CED7.9050305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160504192126555829e7@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > I'm sure we all look forward to your pictures. You will once again piss > me off because you do it so much better than I. :-)) The time you spend > and the quality of the presentation is appreciated. It is not always > acknowledged as it should be, and I am as guilty as all. It is always a > pleasure to visit your photo albums. > > Jeff Allen Thanks for the kind words, Jeff, my only regret is that we don't get the time to do more in this line, especially some of the workshop stuff that we have done in the past and never documented. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 22:41:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:41:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures Message-ID: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> As mentioned the other day, I have got the first two pages of pictures up on our site for folks to have a look at. They are not in any specific order, and there are some nice trucks in there this year as well. We did get a brief look around the USS Pampanito today, and have a few shots of the engine room etc that will go on later. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu051.htm and http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu052.htm Note that there is no linkage between pages and no icon on the main menu yet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 19 22:52:42 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:52:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504200552.j3K5qbFI050485@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Luke, The engine does not have a governor on it. It will simply be a matter of setting the speed by adjusting the amount of fuel it is getting. There is a tap where the gas is fed in so that would be what was used originally. It will probably take some messing around to get it right. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, Very nice little engine. How is the speed governed? I don't see any type of governor on it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Apr 20 03:45:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:45:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <426632B1.8030506@wightman.ca> Looks great Joe. Duncan Joseph L Betz wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From guitronics at comcast.net Wed Apr 20 04:08:13 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:08:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4266381D.2040600@comcast.net> Amen to that. "In a city,it's almost ALWAYS illegal to protect property". Jeff Allen wrote: > Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. > > It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for > thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that > you are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. Criminals DO > have rights mind you. When my brother went through this several years > ago, the officer gave some pointers. There are no charges if a man is > found beaten on the street and there are no witnesses to the beating. > I doubt the electric fence would get you in trouble, but you never > know any more. > > Jeff Allen > > R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Is it legal to steal? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions >> >> >>> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ivancou at alltel.net Wed Apr 20 04:34:43 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:34:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] model engine Message-ID: <003301c5459c$f3d0f6a0$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Luke , I'm not familiar with modeling but it looks like you're on the right track . Why not scrounge around and find a different cylinder . Maybe something off a wisconsin or something else with a detachable jug . Ya you didnt create it then but if it all works what the .... I suppose you could have a cylinder cast . Then go from there . How about pressing the halves of the crank together . I think some motorcycles are put together that way . Ivan From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 20 04:52:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:52:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions Message-ID: <29.719175e4.2f979c6e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/19/2005 10:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for thiefs if the building is not attached to the hous >> Jeff, That is probably true in all places. You cannot set a trap to hurt someone. I remember reading about a classic case of this back in the late 60's when a person set up a shotgun to go off when a building he owned was consistently broken into. Shotgun went off, burglar lost leg, sued owner and won! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 19 14:25:43 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:25:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050419212543.55434.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Luke Have you thought about using Loctite for building a crankshaft? Use hi-strength type 638 and when it has cured, cross pin the joints with a taper pin. Cleanliness is imperative. Use acetone or similar to clean the joint, make sure you don't touch the cleaned surfaces with fingers or anything oily. This method is used quite frequently when making model steam engine crankshafts up to quite a large size. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 19 14:45:14 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:45:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050419214515.41653.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Andy Use a dummy shaft, slightly smaller diameter than the original to give yourself a machining allowance. > The shaft is badly pitted so it > The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried about it holding up the heat of pouring the > bearing. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 07:24:03 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:24:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website Message-ID: <20050420.103351.316.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Thanks to those who have responded and critiqued my website. There were some suggestions to put the pictures on Webshots also. No Problem - However - Being I DO NOT have a digital camera, at present I use Snapfish for developing which, (I think) accounts for the small size of pictures. Then I will sort some out for installation on Webshots. The purpose of My Website is among other things, to show some pictures - but - I don't want to "repeat" a lot of pictures on the Website AND my Webshots. For the Website - I used a few picts from Webshots just to get it going. In the future, I'd like to show more of the shows I attend. Time will tell. Thanks for the opportunity; Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 07:39:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:39:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures Message-ID: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> Great Pics Pete, Why is it that when someone else takes pics - they look great ? When I take them - Not so great ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 07:43:18 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:43:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <20050420.104325.316.7.jlb94@juno.com> Looks good Jeff, I can't imagine taking on such a hugh project. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 20 07:59:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Arnie, You've not burst my bubble :-) Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun :-) Curt P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >configuration. > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful > theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > > > >>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 20 08:05:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:05:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces Message-ID: Well gang IMO, ole William stopped in Chicago on his way to New York when he casted the mating surfaces on the main bearing mating surfaces (5hp Galloway Roundrod). These mating surfaces have NOT been machined and are rougher than a corn cob. Well let's just say the mating surface on the main casting is rough. Now Rick is casting me new caps and Spud will probably machine the mating surface(s). But what do I do with the roughness on the main casting? I could file on this for a month and hate to go thru all the prep. problems that I can forsee with machining. Luckily the studs will come out. I could do like William and just use SOFT wood shims that would conform to the roughness, but maybe there's a better way, dunno. Any thought's?? Life is good, weather is bad. Spud and I are headed to Missoula tomorrow morning to get the crank and rod straightened. Thanks much for readin' RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 08:12:21 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:12:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <043c01c5453a$1e968d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Thanks guys. I'll pick it up again someday, but for now I'm taking a break. I appreciate all the comments on and off list. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "R & M Ingold" > >Further to, WHEN you get it down from the shelf again, bore out the >cylinder and put a sleeve in. Not a hard job. >A new crankshaft aint a big deal either. Cupla days..... >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:12:37 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:12:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050420.103351.316.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.103351.316.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050420091220730874@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > Hi List, > > Thanks to those who have responded and critiqued my website. > > There were some suggestions to put the pictures on Webshots also. > > No Problem - However - Being I DO NOT have a digital camera, > at present I use Snapfish for developing which, (I think) accounts for > the small size > of pictures. Then I will sort some out for installation on Webshots. > > The purpose of My Website is among other things, to show some pictures - > but - > I don't want to "repeat" a lot of pictures on the Website AND my > Webshots. > > For the Website - I used a few picts from Webshots just to get it going. > In the future, I'd like to show more of the shows I attend. > > Time will tell. > > Thanks for the opportunity; > > Joe "Pip" Betz Joe: You really 'need' to get into a digital camera, period. It saves so much time and trauma, AND you can retake a shot if you see it doesn't come out right at the time, (especially if you are far from home and can't make another trip back to retake the shot!) A lot of us use the Sony Mavica range, but there are plenty of others to choose from. Also, when you do take shots on digital, ALWAYS save them somewhere and copy them over for editing. DON'T use originals in case you screw up while editing the pictures. Saves a lot of tears. We saved our Tulare shots as soon as we got back to San Jose, and then backed them up to a separate drive on the laptop. Belt and braces.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:14:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:14:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: <043c01c5453a$1e968d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f60251605042009145b64a0cd@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Thanks guys. I'll pick it up again someday, but for now I'm taking a > break. > I appreciate all the comments on and off list. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA I was always bad with gas welding, especially on truck mudguards which were rusty, but after a few sessions it gelled and once learned it comes naturally the next time. Keep at it! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 20 09:20:54 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:20:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] model engine Message-ID: Yesterday I got my copy of the new model engine building magazine. Issue 1 volume 1. http://www.modelenginebuilder.net/ I subscribed to this new publication even though I'm not a model builder. Some day I hope to build some models, if I ever find time. One of the things that impressed me on their first issue is that it comes with several sets of plans for the models shown in the magazine. These are actually loose sheets of the building diagrams, not just printed on the magazine pages. Looks like it will be a good magazine. Hopefully some day I'll get the experience and machine tools needed to try building something. In the meantime it is just interesting reading. WAIT George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:22:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:22:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042009222e704d33@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > Great Pics Pete, > > Why is it that when someone else takes pics - they look great ? > > When I take them - Not so great ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz Thanks for the comments, Joe, nice to know that they are looking OK on other folk's PC's! Pictures you take for yourself are always difficult to grade until you get back home and have a look. I have always had a camera around and I think that I probably learned about framing a shot and general techniques quite early on, before I had an SLR camera. Going digital made it much easier as I could look at the shot afterwards and if it was a bit 'wonky' I could re-shoot immediately. Like welding and other techniques, it is a learning process that you need to go through and try to perfect. I am not a professional and my failure rate is fairly high, we only use 50% of what we take, but at least we know what we are looking for most of the time. Get a digital camera and spend a week or so taking shots and evaluate what you see and what you shoot, that's the only way to go. Books I don't find to be that useful, although in the very early days I did buy one for the Pentax we had (and still have) so that I could use it! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:25:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504200925487fe18f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > > As mentioned the other day, I have got the first two pages of pictures up > on our site for folks to have a look at. > Four pages running now, and I have put inter-page links between them: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu051.htm through http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu054.htm I'll have to shut down now and get some packing done! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 20 09:34:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:34:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? Message-ID: <1c4.26b2e617.2f97de85@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 12:15:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >> Curt, I think you are right and that no one will ever know what the 100 year old methodology was as far as ring installation is concerned. On the smaller engines I have taken apart, I found three types, pinned, not pinned square butt, and non pinned angular butt. These are on engines of 10 hp or less. Of the engines I have dissambled, the International Famous engines were pinned, but Hercules were not. I would be of the opinion that it was the thoughts of the engineers that worked for a particular company as to how the rings were installed. I do not think any rings went past the ignitor holes as this would cause breakage. These are just my opinions from a non-opinionated fellow! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 20 10:13:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:13:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, William has made the hole too big . http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything is hunky doory: http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt "Jus slap me" RickinMt. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 20 10:37:06 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long Message-ID: Last Thursday I left home around 3am to pick up Wayne for our Tulare trip. 4:01am we pulled out of Wayne's driveway headed south to California. Thursday afternoon we stop to visit Bill at Newcastle and see his collection. Bill's a good friend and I've visited him many times, but Wayne had never been there. Bill's got a nice collection of engines and tractors, as well as being a talented craftsman so seeing what he's working on is always interesting. Lauren met up with us at Bill's place, and we waited around until another collector I know was off from work. When Craig in Auburn got home from work, we went over to his place to see his collection and see what he's been working on. Neither Wayne or Lauren had been to Craig's place before. Craig showed us the Fairbanks-Morse hot tube assemblies and chimneys he reproduces which were very nice. After Craig's place we had a late dinner before spending the night at Galt. Friday morning we were on the road again and originally had planned on seeing Steve Gray's place before Steve headed south to Tulare, but plans changed and we went to the Sunshine Foundry in Valley Springs instead. (I let Steve know the night before that plans had changed). The Sunshine Foundry was an interesting place and they only do cast iron. They do very high quality castings and do a lot parts for people in our hobby. After the foundry we headed towards Sonora to visit Chris and see his collection. Neither Wayne or I had been there, but I had talked to Chris and he was expecting us to visit him. Lauren had been there once for a brief visit. Visiting Chris was almost worth the whole trip! He had engines all over the place and lots of old mining equipment as well. Lots of big engines as well some pretty rare and uncommon stuff. Had a great time looking at all his stuff and then was treated to a scary Jeep ride to visit his gold mine. Chris's place is on a hillside and he had told us his mine was on the other side of the hill and he'd show it to us after we finished looking at all the engines and old iron. The four of us, pile onto Chris's old Willys jeep and he drives part way up the hill and stops to start up a generator with powers the lights in the mine. We then continue up the hill. I had incorrectly assumed the other side of the hill was the same as the side we were coming from. Wrong! We get to the top and there is a beautiful view of a large reservoir/lake far below and the other side is basically a very steep drop-off. I notice an extremely steep road going down and mentally was hoping we weren't going that way, but of course that's exactly where we went. Going down I was hoping the transmission didn't pop out of gear as you'd never get stopped if it did. Part of the way down we reach a hairpin turn that even the little jeep can't make without some maneuvering around while you're hoping the brakes work well. After a tour of the mine shaft we had to ride the jeep back up that road. Going up was worse than going down, as Wayne and I are riding in the back and I'm watching the front end of the jeep wishing I was riding on the front bumper! I just kept thinking that the slightest bump on the front axle and the jeep would flip over and we'd all be killed. Must admit it is pretty amazing the climbing ability of those old jeeps. After Chris's tour we headed on to Tulare and arrived just in time for their Friday night hamburger feed. Saturday and Sunday morning we spent at the show and I'll leave it to others to comment on the show. Sunday afternoon we headed out around 2pm so we could visit some more collections on the way back. After getting some fuel at Ripon (cheapest diesel we saw in CA) we took a quick tour of Irv's collection of Holts and early tractors. Although Irv wasn't back from Tulare yet, I had been there many times and after talking to his wife she said we could walk around and look at the stuff. Wayne had never been there and I thought it was worth stopping just to let him see where Irv lived and his collection which is basically all outside anyway. After Irv's place we headed north again to Auburn for the second time to visit Ron and see his collection. I had talked to Ron at Tulare and he'd told us he was leaving at 1pm and we could visit him on the way back. As it turned out we caught up with Ron on the freeway just before he was exiting at Auburn. Made it simple to just follow him rather than using his directions. Neither Wayne or I had been to Ron's place before although I've known Ron for many years. Ron's place was real nice. Lots of interesting iron incorporated into the landscaping and a garage full of quality engines. Ron's an excellent example of what a person can do with limited space. After a late dinner with Ron we headed north again and spent the night at Williams. Monday morning the next stops were at Red Bluff to visit Larry. Both Wayne and I have known Larry for years, but Wayne had never been to Larry's place. We first went out to the ranch where Larry lives and saw a lot of early engines and mining equipment. Then Larry took us to another place where he has another collection of early California engines. Very impressive collection of rare engines. Years ago I met another collector in Red Bluff with a nice collection, but I don't really know the guy other than having stopped at his place a few times. However on our way to Larry's place I noticed we passed near this other collector so we also stopped there after visiting with Larry. Monday evening we get back to Wayne's place to drop him off and I continue on home to unload the pickup and get ready to be back at work Tuesday morning. While I enjoy the Tulare show, I must say I really enjoy to traveling to and from the show more. The stuff you see at people's homes is usually much more exotic or interesting than what is hauled to the show grounds. These visits are where you really get to know people and it makes traveling a memorable experience. If you only go to shows in your local area, you're really missing out on one of best parts of this hobby. Get out and travel, stop to visit collectors along the way and you'll really see what the hobby is about. WAIT George P.S. I've got pictures but haven't had time to even transfer them to my computer yet. I'll probably post a few of them to my Epson albums later. P.S.S. Anyone interested in doing a HOWT? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 11:04:57 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:04:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items Message-ID: I'm thinking about building a skid for my shingle mill. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html I'm going to mount it on two 6" x 10" beams with cross braces to keep the skid square. The 10" side of the beams will be against the ground. I know I should cut an angle on the bottom of the beams or it will just burry itself into the ground when pulling it around. I made some temporary skids for my big 9hp Sattley one time and it seems I cut them at 45 degrees. It seemed like too sharp of an angle and it just burried itself and didn't stay up on top of the ground. But I was pulling it flywheels first which was the heavy end. I looked at Craig Prucha's web pages and found this picture: http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/sswan409.jpg It looks like his skids are cut at a 45 on the ends and the skids are on a heavy item. It is also set up to be pulled from the head end which is lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an angle that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that works on heavier items? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 20 11:11:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:11:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42669B60.5080401@imc-group.com> Ahh another believer! Plus this prevents tearing up the paint too badly when you tighten or remove the nut. Which was _the_ reason I did it. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, William >has made the hole too big . > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc > >Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything is >hunky doory: > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt > > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 11:45:33 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:45:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <42669B60.5080401@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hey Curt, I sent a message to the list showing an illustration, from an old manual, of the nut being installed with the flat against the material being fastened. You were in Australia at the time I think. Did you happen to see that post? http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:11:44 -0400 > >Ahh another believer! >Plus this prevents tearing up the paint too badly when you tighten or >remove the nut. Which was _the_ reason I did it. >Curt > >Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, William >>has made the hole too big . >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc >> >>Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything >>is hunky doory: >> >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 12:46:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: References: <42669B60.5080401@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <2822.165.206.180.144.1114026369.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Poor, poor old horse, ain't got any hair left! I just disassembled a 50' windmill tower - a Dempster, all original. Nuts had flat against the iron. A Piece of JD equipment (old disk) out back - same. My plow - same. :-) Yeah, we needed another me, too- couldn't resist, I guess - sorry. Bill > Hey Curt, I sent a message to the list showing an illustration, from an > old > manual, of the nut being installed with the flat against the material > being > fastened. You were in Australia at the time I think. Did you happen to see > that post? > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz >>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:11:44 -0400 >> >>Ahh another believer! >>Plus this prevents tearing up the paint too badly when you tighten or >>remove the nut. Which was _the_ reason I did it. >>Curt >> >>Richard Strobel wrote: >> >>> Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, >>> William >>>has made the hole too big . >>> >>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc >>> >>>Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything >>>is hunky doory: >>> >>> >>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 12:45:36 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:45:36 -0400 Subject: Fw: Re: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <20050420.154536.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph L Betz To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:43:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <20050420.104325.316.7.jlb94 at juno.com> Looks good Jeff, I can't imagine taking on such a hugh project. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 20 12:51:19 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:51:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4266B2B7.5040909@imc-group.com> Luke, I did see it. Again the reason I turned the rounded corners toward the cart parts (no lockwashers) was to help save all the pretty paint on this sawrig. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Thumbnails.html You wouldn't believe all the friendly ribbing I've taken over the last year for my suggestion that this might have been the proper installation direction. At the very least, lots of folks have started looking at old iron as they take it apart for restoration. You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. As this past thread and the current thread on pinned rings shows, there are still lots of mysteries in our old hobby to ponder. Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hey Curt, I sent a message to the list showing an illustration, from > an old manual, of the nut being installed with the flat against the > material being fastened. You were in Australia at the time I think. > Did you happen to see that post? > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 20 13:19:26 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:19:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long Message-ID: I'm sending this again as I sent it to both lists and it never showed up on this one. -----Original Message----- Last Thursday I left home around 3am to pick up Wayne for our Tulare trip. 4:01am we pulled out of Wayne's driveway headed south to California. Thursday afternoon we stop to visit Bill at Newcastle and see his collection. Bill's a good friend and I've visited him many times, but Wayne had never been there. Bill's got a nice collection of engines and tractors, as well as being a talented craftsman so seeing what he's working on is always interesting. Lauren met up with us at Bill's place, and we waited around until another collector I know was off from work. When Craig in Auburn got home from work, we went over to his place to see his collection and see what he's been working on. Neither Wayne or Lauren had been to Craig's place before. Craig showed us the Fairbanks-Morse hot tube assemblies and chimneys he reproduces which were very nice. After Craig's place we had a late dinner before spending the night at Galt. Friday morning we were on the road again and originally had planned on seeing Steve Gray's place before Steve headed south to Tulare, but plans changed and we went to the Sunshine Foundry in Valley Springs instead. (I let Steve know the night before that plans had changed). The Sunshine Foundry was an interesting place and they only do cast iron. They do very high quality castings and do a lot parts for people in our hobby. After the foundry we headed towards Sonora to visit Chris and see his collection. Neither Wayne or I had been there, but I had talked to Chris and he was expecting us to visit him. Lauren had been there once for a brief visit. Visiting Chris was almost worth the whole trip! He had engines all over the place and lots of old mining equipment as well. Lots of big engines as well some pretty rare and uncommon stuff. Had a great time looking at all his stuff and then was treated to a scary Jeep ride to visit his gold mine. Chris's place is on a hillside and he had told us his mine was on the other side of the hill and he'd show it to us after we finished looking at all the engines and old iron. The four of us, pile onto Chris's old Willys jeep and he drives part way up the hill and stops to start up a generator with powers the lights in the mine. We then continue up the hill. I had incorrectly assumed the other side of the hill was the same as the side we were coming from. Wrong! We get to the top and there is a beautiful view of a large reservoir/lake far below and the other side is basically a very steep drop-off. I notice an extremely steep road going down and mentally was hoping we weren't going that way, but of course that's exactly where we went. Going down I was hoping the transmission didn't pop out of gear as you'd never get stopped if it did. Part of the way down we reach a hairpin turn that even the little jeep can't make without some maneuvering around while you're hoping the brakes work well. After a tour of the mine shaft we had to ride the jeep back up that road. Going up was worse than going down, as Wayne and I are riding in the back and I'm watching the front end of the jeep wishing I was riding on the front bumper! I just kept thinking that the slightest bump on the front axle and the jeep would flip over and we'd all be killed. Must admit it is pretty amazing the climbing ability of those old jeeps. After Chris's tour we headed on to Tulare and arrived just in time for their Friday night hamburger feed. Saturday and Sunday morning we spent at the show and I'll leave it to others to comment on the show. Sunday afternoon we headed out around 2pm so we could visit some more collections on the way back. After getting some fuel at Ripon (cheapest diesel we saw in CA) we took a quick tour of Irv's collection of Holts and early tractors. Although Irv wasn't back from Tulare yet, I had been there many times and after talking to his wife she said we could walk around and look at the stuff. Wayne had never been there and I thought it was worth stopping just to let him see where Irv lived and his collection which is basically all outside anyway. After Irv's place we headed north again to Auburn for the second time to visit Ron and see his collection. I had talked to Ron at Tulare and he'd told us he was leaving at 1pm and we could visit him on the way back. As it turned out we caught up with Ron on the freeway just before he was exiting at Auburn. Made it simple to just follow him rather than using his directions. Neither Wayne or I had been to Ron's place before although I've known Ron for many years. Ron's place was real nice. Lots of interesting iron incorporated into the landscaping and a garage full of quality engines. Ron's an excellent example of what a person can do with limited space. After a late dinner with Ron we headed north again and spent the night at Williams. Monday morning the next stops were at Red Bluff to visit Larry. Both Wayne and I have known Larry for years, but Wayne had never been to Larry's place. We first went out to the ranch where Larry lives and saw a lot of early engines and mining equipment. Then Larry took us to another place where he has another collection of early California engines. Very impressive collection of rare engines. Years ago I met another collector in Red Bluff with a nice collection, but I don't really know the guy other than having stopped at his place a few times. However on our way to Larry's place I noticed we passed near this other collector so we also stopped there after visiting with Larry. Monday evening we get back to Wayne's place to drop him off and I continue on home to unload the pickup and get ready to be back at work Tuesday morning. While I enjoy the Tulare show, I must say I really enjoy to traveling to and from the show more. The stuff you see at people's homes is usually much more exotic or interesting than what is hauled to the show grounds. These visits are where you really get to know people and it makes traveling a memorable experience. If you only go to shows in your local area, you're really missing out on one of best parts of this hobby. Get out and travel, stop to visit collectors along the way and you'll really see what the hobby is about. WAIT George P.S. I've got pictures but haven't had time to even transfer them to my computer yet. I'll probably post a few of them to my Epson albums later. P.S.S. Anyone interested in doing a HOWT? To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From sel at antique-engine.com Wed Apr 20 16:34:52 2005 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:34:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2005420163452.836650@computerone> Hi Luke, Here is a link to the full size photo of the Swan skid. http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/swan409.jpg Also, it's hard to see in the photo, but there is one cut at 45 deg. and then another at approx. 20 to 30 deg. from that. This gives the transition to the ground a more gradual angle... Craig On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:04:57 +0000, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >?I'm thinking about building a skid for my shingle mill. > >?http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html > >?I'm going to mount it on two 6" x 10" beams with cross braces to >?keep the skid square. The 10" side of the beams will be against the >?ground. I know I should cut an angle on the bottom of the beams or >?it will just burry itself into the ground when pulling it around. I >?made some temporary skids for my big 9hp Sattley one time and it >?seems I cut them at 45 degrees. It seemed like too sharp of an >?angle and it just burried itself and didn't stay up on top of the >?ground. But I was pulling it flywheels first which was the heavy >?end. I looked at Craig Prucha's web pages and found this picture: > >?http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/sswan409.jpg > >?It looks like his skids are cut at a 45 on the ends and the skids >?are on a heavy item. It is also set up to be pulled from the head >?end which is lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an >?angle that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that works >?on heavier items? > >?Luke Tonneberger >?Rockford, Michigan >?USA > > >?_______________________________________________ >?SEL mailing list >?SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >?http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 20 13:36:53 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:36:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz Message-ID: <1a7.3636bd78.2f981765@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I just disassembled a 50' windmill tower - a Dempster, all original. >> Bill, I would love to have one of those at my house. The wind blows here on this hill all time. I know of one in a barn in Kingsport, Tennessee that came from Iowa. Been in the barn since about 1967. Maybe one day-wishful thinking! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From nick at holden1.net Wed Apr 20 13:40:37 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:40:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items References: Message-ID: <4266BE45.000001.01652@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Luke before Christmas i made a big skid 16ft x9ft to fit a horse shelter the angle i used for the ends was 30 degrees and it works ok puled round the field with a tractor Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Luke Tonneberger Date: 04/20/05 19:16:50 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items I'm thinking about building a skid for my shingle mill. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html I'm going to mount it on two 6" x 10" beams with cross braces to keep the skid square. The 10" side of the beams will be against the ground. I know I should cut an angle on the bottom of the beams or it will just burry itself into the ground when pulling it around. I made some temporary skids for my big 9hp Sattley one time and it seems I cut them at 45 degrees. It seemed like too sharp of an angle and it just burried itself and didn't stay up on top of the ground. But I was pulling it flywheels first which was the heavy end. I looked at Craig Prucha's web pages and found this picture: http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/sswan409.jpg It looks like his skids are cut at a 45 on the ends and the skids are on a heavy item. It is also set up to be pulled from the head end which is lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an angle that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that works on heavier items? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Apr 20 13:54:59 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:54:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long References: Message-ID: <001101c545eb$3b0dabf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Interesting tour George, pitty I sit at the other side of the pond. BTW this post came through at both lists. John H. > I'm sending this again as I sent it to both lists and it never showed up > on this one. > > -----Original Message----- > > Last Thursday I left home around 3am to pick up Wayne for our Tulare > trip. 4:01am we pulled out of Wayne's driveway headed south to > California. > > Thursday afternoon we stop to visit Bill at Newcastle and see his > collection. Bill's a good friend and I've visited him many times, but > Wayne had never been there. Bill's got a nice collection of engines and > tractors, as well as being a talented craftsman so seeing what he's > working on is always interesting. > > Lauren met up with us at Bill's place, and we waited around until > another collector I know was off from work. When Craig in Auburn got > home from work, we went over to his place to see his collection and see > what he's been working on. Neither Wayne or Lauren had been to Craig's > place before. Craig showed us the Fairbanks-Morse hot tube assemblies > and chimneys he reproduces which were very nice. > > After Craig's place we had a late dinner before spending the night at > Galt. > > Friday morning we were on the road again and originally had planned on > seeing Steve Gray's place before Steve headed south to Tulare, but plans > changed and we went to the Sunshine Foundry in Valley Springs instead. > (I let Steve know the night before that plans had changed). The > Sunshine Foundry was an interesting place and they only do cast iron. > They do very high quality castings and do a lot parts for people in our > hobby. > > After the foundry we headed towards Sonora to visit Chris and see his > collection. Neither Wayne or I had been there, but I had talked to > Chris and he was expecting us to visit him. Lauren had been there once > for a brief visit. > > Visiting Chris was almost worth the whole trip! He had engines all over > the place and lots of old mining equipment as well. Lots of big engines > as well some pretty rare and uncommon stuff. Had a great time looking at > all his stuff and then was treated to a scary Jeep ride to visit his > gold mine. > > Chris's place is on a hillside and he had told us his mine was on the > other side of the hill and he'd show it to us after we finished looking > at all the engines and old iron. The four of us, pile onto Chris's old > Willys jeep and he drives part way up the hill and stops to start up a > generator with powers the lights in the mine. We then continue up the > hill. I had incorrectly assumed the other side of the hill was the same > as the side we were coming from. Wrong! We get to the top and there is > a beautiful view of a large reservoir/lake far below and the other side > is basically a very steep drop-off. I notice an extremely steep road > going down and mentally was hoping we weren't going that way, but of > course that's exactly where we went. Going down I was hoping the > transmission didn't pop out of gear as you'd never get stopped if it > did. Part of the way down we reach a hairpin turn that even the little > jeep can't make without some maneuvering around while you're hoping the > brakes work well. After a tour of the mine shaft we had to ride the > jeep back up that road. Going up was worse than going down, as Wayne > and I are riding in the back and I'm watching the front end of the jeep > wishing I was riding on the front bumper! I just kept thinking that the > slightest bump on the front axle and the jeep would flip over and we'd > all be killed. Must admit it is pretty amazing the climbing ability of > those old jeeps. > > After Chris's tour we headed on to Tulare and arrived just in time for > their Friday night hamburger feed. > > Saturday and Sunday morning we spent at the show and I'll leave it to > others to comment on the show. > > Sunday afternoon we headed out around 2pm so we could visit some more > collections on the way back. After getting some fuel at Ripon (cheapest > diesel we saw in CA) we took a quick tour of Irv's collection of Holts > and early tractors. Although Irv wasn't back from Tulare yet, I had > been there many times and after talking to his wife she said we could > walk around and look at the stuff. Wayne had never been there and I > thought it was worth stopping just to let him see where Irv lived and > his collection which is basically all outside anyway. > > After Irv's place we headed north again to Auburn for the second time to > visit Ron and see his collection. I had talked to Ron at Tulare and he'd > told us he was leaving at 1pm and we could visit him on the way back. > As it turned out we caught up with Ron on the freeway just before he was > exiting at Auburn. Made it simple to just follow him rather than using > his directions. Neither Wayne or I had been to Ron's place before > although I've known Ron for many years. > > Ron's place was real nice. Lots of interesting iron incorporated into > the landscaping and a garage full of quality engines. Ron's an excellent > example of what a person can do with limited space. > > After a late dinner with Ron we headed north again and spent the night > at Williams. > > Monday morning the next stops were at Red Bluff to visit Larry. Both > Wayne and I have known Larry for years, but Wayne had never been to > Larry's place. We first went out to the ranch where Larry lives and saw > a lot of early engines and mining equipment. Then Larry took us to > another place where he has another collection of early California > engines. Very impressive collection of rare engines. > > Years ago I met another collector in Red Bluff with a nice collection, > but I don't really know the guy other than having stopped at his place a > few times. However on our way to Larry's place I noticed we passed near > this other collector so we also stopped there after visiting with Larry. > > Monday evening we get back to Wayne's place to drop him off and I > continue on home to unload the pickup and get ready to be back at work > Tuesday morning. > > While I enjoy the Tulare show, I must say I really enjoy to traveling to > and from the show more. The stuff you see at people's homes is usually > much more exotic or interesting than what is hauled to the show grounds. > These visits are where you really get to know people and it makes > traveling a memorable experience. > > If you only go to shows in your local area, you're really missing out on > one of best parts of this hobby. Get out and travel, stop to visit > collectors along the way and you'll really see what the hobby is about. > > WAIT George > > P.S. I've got pictures but haven't had time to even transfer them to my > computer yet. I'll probably post a few of them to my Epson albums > later. > > P.S.S. Anyone interested in doing a HOWT? > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Apr 20 14:50:39 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:50:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: <20050419214515.41653.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c545f2$feb1e240$00000003@x8h7l9> You guys are like me, figure out the hardest possible way and try it. Think of the pits in the crank a pockets to transport oil to help the lubrication so just leave them a lone. I am a novice on these old engines, but I think the best advice was to pore the bearings and scrape them. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > Hi Andy > > Use a dummy shaft, slightly smaller diameter than the original to give yourself a machining > allowance. > > > The shaft is badly pitted so it > > The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried about it holding up the heat of pouring the > > bearing. > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 20 14:25:22 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:25:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <20050419212543.55434.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <057801c545f3$4c97bf70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Loctite is not up to the job with the shock loading of an I/C engine. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Luke > > Have you thought about using Loctite for building a crankshaft? Use > hi-strength type 638 and when > it has cured, cross pin the joints with a taper pin. Cleanliness is > imperative. Use acetone or > similar to clean the joint, make sure you don't touch the cleaned surfaces > with fingers or > anything oily. > > This method is used quite frequently when making model steam engine > crankshafts up to quite a > large size. > > Regards > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 18 18:08:32 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:08:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42645A10.3070706@optusnet.com.au> Couple of little hints I've picked up along the way . . . 1. Sometimes I snip off a little bit of silver-solder rod and sit it near the joint, or even wrap a short length of rod around the fluxed joint, then apply heat just away from the joint. At a certain temperature, it melts in. Useful for heating in a forge. 2. Very tiddly jobs, like spectacle frames or jewelery, I make silver-solder filings, and mix them with flux, moisten to a paste and apply this to the area, then heat (judiciously, NOT in a forge!). 3. Joints like copper pipes/nipples, I sometimes pre-"tin" both surfaces with silver-solder, then gently press them together while heating. (Sometimes needs 3 hands!) Well, it works for me! JW?? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 15:26:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:26:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042009222e704d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504202226.j3KMQVHN001043@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Get a digital camera and spend a week or so taking shots and > evaluate what you see and what you shoot, that's the only way >to go. Books I don't find to be that useful, I've found books containing photograph collections to be extremely useful. Nowadays you could probably get just as good an education by searching the web. Some photographers' work I've found to be helpful are David Meunch, Joseph Meunch, Ansel Adams, Greg Epperson, Annie Leibovitz, Robert Maplethorpe... Look at them all, see how they compose their subject, how they make you look where they want you to look, how they use the light... By studying the work of pros, you'll get ideas on how you want your own photos to look. Also remember that these folks spend days and dozens of rolls of film just to get one shot. If mere mortals like you and me can get one good shot off a roll, we should be happy. In regards to shooting engines at shows, learn to settle for mediocrity. We have no control over backgrounds, lighting and clutter, so you're very lucky when you get a fabulous shot. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 20 15:32:44 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:32:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long References: <001101c545eb$3b0dabf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000e01c545f8$e05526d0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long > > I'm sending this again as I sent it to both lists and it never showed up > > on this one. > Interesting tour George, pitty I sit at the other side > of the pond. > BTW this post came through at both lists. > John H. Same in England. Both lists OK. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 15:42:05 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:42:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504202242.j3KMg7JT006015@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > It is also set up to be pulled from the head end which is > lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an angle > that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that > works on heavier items? Hi Luke, After seeing some pictures from an English engine show, I became enamored with their use of "platform skids." I put such a skid together for our Hornsby, seen at http://engines.rustyiron.com/cottonwood05 It worked out so well that I'm going to make one or two more such skids. Part of the attraction is the transverse tubes into which can be inserted axles, and then wheels attached. Such a skid might work well for your shingle mill. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:02:48 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Give her a look folks In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050420230248.66111.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff, I haven't yet found the names I am looking for but,,, WOW!!! This can only get better!!! I hope. 8>)) Thanks a bunch for the efforts you are making for this great hobby. Alan Bowen --- Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I had a request for some of the patent pages in the book. No time like > the present to test the layout. Give it a look see here. It loads a > little slower with the navigation table, but I think it's needed. Page > by page, or back and forth between index and TOC and pages. All comments > welcome. Only 420 pages to go, plus the index and TOC. My OCR program is > pretty good, so I will save myself some thai ping. Enjoy, and comment!! > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P401.html > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 20 16:07:29 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:07:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces References: Message-ID: <019d01c545fd$bb205d30$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Richard, Lots of engines were made with wood shims. Not as elegant as machined caps and metal shims but works fine. If it came that way I would leave it that way. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > I could do like William and just use SOFT wood shims that would conform > to the roughness, but maybe there's a better way, dunno. > > Any thought's?? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 20 16:34:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:34:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces References: <019d01c545fd$bb205d30$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: I just might go with soft wood. Machining and bringing it up to modern standards would just ruin it for future generations. It was a combination of wood and thick paper. The saw arbor was also wood shims which I worked on today getting the blade to turn smooth. Thanks..that's good advise Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > Hi Richard, > > Lots of engines were made with wood shims. Not as elegant as machined > caps > and metal shims but works fine. If it came that way I would leave it that > way. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:05 AM > Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > > > > I could do like William and just use SOFT wood shims that would conform > > to the roughness, but maybe there's a better way, dunno. > > > > Any thought's?? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 16:40:36 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:40:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <4266B2B7.5040909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that > on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the > rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. Hi Square Nutz! Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Apr 20 16:42:41 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts Message-ID: <000701c54602$a74a23e0$5186a5d8@mycomputer> Hi All; I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of the very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright shinny cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint them, instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast iron , it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , anybody do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a thread on this a while back but I missed most of it, Rex Hinz PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 20 16:43:08 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:43:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c54602$b4cdeb00$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Joe: I thought you did a great job. Maybe one day Steve and I will get off our duffs and do the same. You are a good inspiration. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Website > Hi List, > After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate > has finally created a website with oldengine. > > Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. > As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 20 17:16:33 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:16:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <7a.71d24eef.2f984ae1@aol.com> Among the several Maytag parts I recently acquired was a Model 92 cylinder with a stuck piston. The previous owner told me that his father had tried to remove the piston with no success. On Monday, the first thing that I did was to fill the combustion chamber with automatic transmission fluid (ATF). Then, I installed a 1/2" to 1/8" pipe bushing (with a grease zerk) in the spark plug hole. Next, I used a grease gun to apply some internal pressure. Following this, I applied a little heat with a propane torch and let the unit sit until this morning. I applied more grease and heat. Then, the piston started to move. Once the piston got to exhaust port opening, ATF started to leak out. I made a cover plate for the port and able to continue until the intake port was starting to uncover. I, then, removed the pipe bushing, forced the piston back into the cylinder. Then I started the repressurizing and heating sequence again. This time when the piston got to intake port opening, I stopped using the grease gun and installed the J-hook the tool I made to pull out the piston. The piston is, now, soaking in carburetor cleaner to unstick the rings. The cylinder will, of course, need to be honed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 17:52:09 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:52:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed Message-ID: <200504210052.j3L0qCkR045767@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> As a result of the recent discussion started by Jeff Allen, several folks decided that the engine community needs a searchable index of engine patents. It was decided to create a web page where you could search for an inventor, a device, a manufacturer or a patent date. Gone will be the days of searching patents one at a time, for hours on end, just to find one patent. Yes, it's a lofty goal and the list may not be complete in our lifetimes, but someone has to start sometime. Now is the time. We started yesterday and have the basic layout finished. You can visit the web page here: http://patents.rustyiron.com or http://www.rustyiron.com/patents/index.html Please check it out. At the bottom are our goals and the steps we will take to achieve them. Notice that we are currently using Hiscox's book so we can quickly make a large number of patents available. This is the book that Jeff is currently scanning. Hiscox has twenty seven pages of patent numbers, two columns per page, about forty numbers per column. That's a LOT of patents for a couple folks to search. I estimate that it takes about an hour and a half to compile data for one column. If we can get about 50 volunteers willing to spend an hour or two looking at old engine patents, we can complete this phase rather quickly. The data that we need from each of the engine patents is: Patent Number Inventor Invention Manufacturer (if known) Date patent was issued If you'd like to help in the creation of this resource, we would certainly appreciate the assistance. First, make sure you can view patents online by browsing our web page a little bit. If you decide that you'd like to assist, please email me directly at mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com Let me know whether you want one or two columns worth of numbers to research. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 18:08:08 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:08:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts In-Reply-To: <000701c54602$a74a23e0$5186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200504210108.j3L18Amf051241@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would > work on cast iron, it would look better and would not interfere > with the mag trip , anybody do this with good results ? Hi Rex, Kelley and I use blueing all the time on engine parts. Our best results using the chemical types has been with Brownell's Oxpho-Blue. The color is like a black stain for the metal. You can do a shoddy pre-cleaning and the metal will look well aged. If you keep re-cleaning and re-blueing, it will become very black. The color isn't blue. Don't overlook reverse-electrolysis. It's more economical on big parts and I think it gives a more antiquey finish. http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 19:03:34 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:03:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <20050420.220441.880.1.jlb94@juno.com> Congrats Francis !!! Thanks for sharing and for the education. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 19:01:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:01:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website Message-ID: <20050420.220441.880.0.jlb94@juno.com> You are a good inspiration. = = = = = Thanks Mike, This all started because someone said "You need a website". No - I said - I have Webshots - And I started thinking - and looking at the OTHER websites on Oldengine. A friend gave me his Microsoft "Front Page" and said "give it a try" (but he has his reasons for this). After several frustrating days & nights that turned into weeks & months - I finally had something. Then I tried to link it all together - - - GOOD LUCK !!! - - - Like putting a puzzle together BACK SIDE UP !!! I'm sure I'll improve it - but for now - I need a rest. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 20 19:34:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:34:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint Message-ID: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> Ok Gang I am making an assumption that if you are reading this then you are not offended by my O.T. message. I have a small wooden model that is glued together I assume with standard type Elmer's wood glue. I want to take this model apart and use it as a pattern to make some more toys for the grandkids. Does anyone have any "Old Indian Tricks" or old wise tales on how to break apart a glue joint without damaging the part. Thanks for the help. Paul From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 20 19:46:07 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:46:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <8b.25bb226a.2f986def@aol.com> In a message dated 04/20/2005 7:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: Thanks for sharing and for the education. Joe, The education comes from reading how others do a task and then adapting it to your own situation. I do not think I would have been able to this job without previous inputs from members of this list. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 19:51:59 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 > >Arnie, >You've not burst my bubble :-) >Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun :-) >Curt >P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep over >the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? > > >Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Curt, >> >>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >>configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >>what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >>configuration. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >> >> >> >>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >>>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >>>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the >>>other. >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 20 20:14:23 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:44:23 +0930 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint References: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000601c54620$3a113070$eac48890@chaos> warm water used to work well on pva glue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint Ok Gang I am making an assumption that if you are reading this then you are not offended by my O.T. message. I have a small wooden model that is glued together I assume with standard type Elmer's wood glue. I want to take this model apart and use it as a pattern to make some more toys for the grandkids. Does anyone have any "Old Indian Tricks" or old wise tales on how to break apart a glue joint without damaging the part. Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 20:34:59 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:34:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504210335.j3L3Z4xU005362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> They were loony and knew not what they were doing? Who knows! They either had their reasons, or they didn't care, or it didn't matter, or they were new and didn't know better. And why would anyone have pulled it apart 70 years ago and reversed all of the nuts? I guess unless we find an old engineering book that details such things................. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:52 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 > >Arnie, >You've not burst my bubble :-) >Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun >:-) Curt P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the >engineers at Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? > > >Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Curt, >> >>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows >>that configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the >>ends of what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's >>the normal configuration. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >> >> >> >>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have >>>helped me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, >>>why did the engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. >>>45? angle instead of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both >>>written, to solve the strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in >>>conjunction with a butt end gap would create, the solution was to >>>make the gap on a 45?. This assured the ring was wiping completely >>>around the cylinder and would not leave an unworn ridge down the >>>length of the cylinder. Seems kind of obvious now, but until I >>>digested both of your points I had never put the pieces together >>>enough to realize that one was a function of the other. >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 20:39:25 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:39:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200504210339.j3L3dTQm007086@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> So there we have it............... Is a reason given? And why if that's proper do we see items that left the factory with it both ways? Perhaps because in the larger scheme of things, for some items it simply didn't matter? Does it matter now? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:41 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that on their > piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the rounded edge toward > the surface being clamped. Hi Square Nutz! Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 20:43:40 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:43:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <1a7.3636bd78.2f981765@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504210343.j3L3hjVq008800@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> The problem is that I got a decent enough (needs all new babbit and a couple of blades) Aeromotor head. It's restorable, cost me $25. However, had no tower. Barbara wants a windmill really bad. So I found a tower cheap - but it's not pretty, sort of needs restored (straighten a couple of parts, paint, etc.), and was way too tall. Bringing that baby down and getting it on the trailer was fun. Hauling it 60 miles down the interstate even more fun. So I brought it home on the trailer, tore apart the bottom 20' I'm not going to use, and will some day get the rest of the tower fixed up. The problem becomes, how to mount an Aeromotor head on a Dempster tower! (I know, I know - with square nuts....) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:37 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I just disassembled a 50' windmill tower - a Dempster, all original. >> Bill, I would love to have one of those at my house. The wind blows here on this hill all time. I know of one in a barn in Kingsport, Tennessee that came from Iowa. Been in the barn since about 1967. Maybe one day-wishful thinking! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 20 20:56:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:56:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050420234511.04661c20@mail.alltel.net> Hi Steve, Many workers in the Hercules plant had a drinking problem. (Karch did not report this in his book out of respect for the many widows that they left behind.) In any event, this problem led to many carts being put together improperly on Mondays and Fridays. Not only were there instances of nuts being put on upside down, but there were also instances of left side wheels being put on the right side of the carts and visa-versa. I suggest that the cart that you took apart was likely built on either a Monday or a Friday. Did you notice which side the wheels were on? Dave PS, Glenn and I discussed this problem at several shows last year and we both agree that it's a terrible thing to have your nuts on upside down! At 10:51 PM 4/20/2005, you wrote: >Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules >cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover >side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never >been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were >thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 >> >>Arnie, >>You've not burst my bubble :-) >>Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >>Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun :-) >>Curt >>P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >>Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >>P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >>over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? >> >> >>Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>>Hi Curt, >>> >>>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >>>configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >>>what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >>>configuration. >>> >>>See ya, Arnie >>> >>>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >>> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >>> >>>Arnie Fero >>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>fero_ah at city-net.com >>> >>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>>>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>>>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >>>>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>>>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>>>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>>>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >>>>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>>>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>>>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 20 21:02:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:02:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050420235622.046b5c98@mail.alltel.net> >Curt >P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? Hi Curt, Take a long and hard look at the Hercules piston you are having cast. Then think long and hard about your 2nd PS (ie P.P.S.) If you fail to see some problem with what you have typed ask Missy. I'm sure that an engineer can explain the difficulty to you! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 20 23:09:13 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:09:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy In-Reply-To: <200504191231.j3JCVJlr009125@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200504210609.j3L69Juq059060@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I gave the little engine a good clean up last night. I also unstuck the rings and found an intake valve spring for it. It now has good compression. After a lot of careful cleaning with kero and a paintbrush I oiled it up and it looks very nice. A lot of original paint and lining :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html New pics at the bottom of the page. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 21 02:43:21 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:43:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover Message-ID: <067b01c54656$90fc41f0$0201010a@Portable> After beginning work on a little Cooper/Stover KA in February it run for the first time an hour ago. Just hooked up the fuel and a bit of fiddling with the mixture needle it took straight off. I do have a problem with the governor. Its not latching the push rod at all. The governor weights are free to throw out but they don't push the shaft out to contact the latch lever. When stopped everything seems free and feels OK. Anyone got any clues as to what's wrong? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Apr 21 03:05:09 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:05:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover References: <067b01c54656$90fc41f0$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <002601c54659$9b2cdf10$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Ray make sure when you pull gov weights back make sure that there is a nuff travel so that the detent arm latchs in also if you screw the adjust bolt down on the top of the govenor hope that helps Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover After beginning work on a little Cooper/Stover KA in February it run for the first time an hour ago. Just hooked up the fuel and a bit of fiddling with the mixture needle it took straight off. I do have a problem with the governor. Its not latching the push rod at all. The governor weights are free to throw out but they don't push the shaft out to contact the latch lever. When stopped everything seems free and feels OK. Anyone got any clues as to what's wrong? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 21 04:19:40 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:19:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint References: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> <000601c54620$3a113070$eac48890@chaos> Message-ID: <002501c54664$04e15f80$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Derek, your recommendation is the second one I have received regarding using water to loosen the joint. I will give this a try and let you know if it works. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint > warm water used to work well on pva glue. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Apr 21 04:28:07 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:28:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050421212659.02ed8090@mail.netconnect.com.au> >Is it legal to steal? >Reg & Marg Ingold. Yes apparently but only if you are a big business leader or a politician! ;) Regards, Mark *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Apr 21 04:31:33 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:31:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050421212840.02f4c698@mail.netconnect.com.au> My father tried that once with roaming dogs messing with our tin rubbish bins. Only problem was, he had to test it to make sure it was working... enough said as to what resulted! No wonder any of his cattle horses were fence shy - too used to being backed in to see if the fence was alive. Ah, rural life. Us city slickers in the modern age miss out on so much! Regards, Mark At 09:50 PM 4/19/2005 +1000, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >People who listen closely to my sheds when it is quiet will here the 'tick >'tick 'tick of the electric fence generator :)... picked up a bull proof >electric fence generator at a clearing sale for $10 - may as well use it >for something. > >Paul *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:48:56 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:48:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz Message-ID: <19a.32486494.2f98ed28@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/2005 12:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << The problem becomes, how to mount an Aeromotor head on a Dempster tower! (I know, I know - with square nuts.... >> Bill, Of course the second problem is which way to position the square nuts, rounded side down or up???? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:52:08 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:52:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <1c1.26c52064.2f98ede8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FRM8198 at aol.com writes: << I stopped using the grease gun and installed the J-hook the tool I made to pull out the piston. >> Francis, Always a good day when a plan comes together and the ancient engine comes apart! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 04:49:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:49:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed References: <200504210052.j3L0qCkR045767@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Nice job Rob. On several occastions when looking at the BPB, Wendel mentions patent numbers. As I run across these, I will keep you in mind. Also in my limited experience, some tags have patent numbers on them i.e. Galloway. I've looked at these patents and some don't have much to do with the actual engine the tag is on. Do you want those also? "Good Stuff" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed > As a result of the recent discussion started by Jeff Allen, several folks > decided that the engine community needs a searchable index of engine > patents. > It was decided to create a web page where you could search for an > inventor, a > device, a manufacturer or a patent date. > > Gone will be the days of searching patents one at a time, for hours on > end, just > to find one patent. Yes, it's a lofty goal and the list may not be > complete in > our lifetimes, but someone has to start sometime. Now is the time. > > We started yesterday and have the basic layout finished. You can visit > the web > page here: > http://patents.rustyiron.com or > http://www.rustyiron.com/patents/index.html > > Please check it out. At the bottom are our goals and the steps we will > take to > achieve them. Notice that we are currently using Hiscox's book so we can > quickly make a large number of patents available. This is the book that > Jeff is > currently scanning. > > Hiscox has twenty seven pages of patent numbers, two columns per page, > about > forty numbers per column. That's a LOT of patents for a couple folks to > search. > I estimate that it takes about an hour and a half to compile data for one > column. If we can get about 50 volunteers willing to spend an hour or two > looking at old engine patents, we can complete this phase rather quickly. > > The data that we need from each of the engine patents is: > Patent Number > Inventor > Invention > Manufacturer (if known) > Date patent was issued > > If you'd like to help in the creation of this resource, we would certainly > appreciate the assistance. First, make sure you can view patents online > by > browsing our web page a little bit. If you decide that you'd like to > assist, > please email me directly at mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com Let me know > whether > you want one or two columns worth of numbers to research. > > Thanks. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:58:53 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:58:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces Message-ID: <1e8.399a85f2.2f98ef7d@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:31:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << I just might go with soft wood >> Rick, Another consideration is some good gasket material which I have used in the past. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From mmco at cox-internet.com Thu Apr 21 05:32:01 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (MMCO) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint In-Reply-To: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> References: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42679D41.7040902@cox-internet.com> Back when I was building model planes and using ELMER S white wood glue , I would soak the item in Ammonia to loosen the glue . Once I had it apart , I would wash it with clean water , let it dry , then start all over again . One word of caution , nothing is garenteed . Bo Hinch Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang I am making an assumption that if you are reading this then you are not offended by my O.T. message. I have a small wooden model that is glued together I assume with standard type Elmer's wood glue. I want to take this model apart and use it as a pattern to make some more toys for the grandkids. Does anyone have any "Old Indian Tricks" or old wise tales on how to break apart a glue joint without damaging the part. Thanks for the help. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 05:27:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:27:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] USPTO test Message-ID: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1F926EEA Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 05:19:06 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:19:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed References: <200504210052.j3L0qCkR045767@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Rob, here are 6 numbers off the Gal tag which don't appear on your list. 563,140 577,158 583,982 604,405 648,122 723,540 Now does it help for me to look them up and forward to you, or what? Glad to help RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed > As a result of the recent discussion started by Jeff Allen, several folks > decided that the engine community needs a searchable index of engine > patents. > It was decided to create a web page where you could search for an > inventor, a > device, a manufacturer or a patent date. > > Gone will be the days of searching patents one at a time, for hours on > end, just > to find one patent. Yes, it's a lofty goal and the list may not be > complete in > our lifetimes, but someone has to start sometime. Now is the time. > > We started yesterday and have the basic layout finished. You can visit > the web > page here: > http://patents.rustyiron.com or > http://www.rustyiron.com/patents/index.html > > Please check it out. At the bottom are our goals and the steps we will > take to > achieve them. Notice that we are currently using Hiscox's book so we can > quickly make a large number of patents available. This is the book that > Jeff is > currently scanning. > > Hiscox has twenty seven pages of patent numbers, two columns per page, > about > forty numbers per column. That's a LOT of patents for a couple folks to > search. > I estimate that it takes about an hour and a half to compile data for one > column. If we can get about 50 volunteers willing to spend an hour or two > looking at old engine patents, we can complete this phase rather quickly. > > The data that we need from each of the engine patents is: > Patent Number > Inventor > Invention > Manufacturer (if known) > Date patent was issued > > If you'd like to help in the creation of this resource, we would certainly > appreciate the assistance. First, make sure you can view patents online > by > browsing our web page a little bit. If you decide that you'd like to > assist, > please email me directly at mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com Let me know > whether > you want one or two columns worth of numbers to research. > > Thanks. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 05:37:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:37:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces References: <1e8.399a85f2.2f98ef7d@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes Tom..or how about some petroleum resistant, say 1/8th inch rubber? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:31:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << I just might go with soft wood >> > Rick, > > Another consideration is some good gasket material which I have used in > the > past. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 21 06:15:56 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4267A78C.6010909@fidnet.com> Joe, Another point that others haven't mentioned yet is using Spot Metering. You set your camera to read the light available at a single point, rather than averaging the light available in the whole pic. You can then vary the light registering on the image by pointing at a dark part of what you are photographing or at a lighter point on the object. The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot using spot metering. Gary Joseph L Betz wrote: > Great Pics Pete, > > Why is it that when someone else takes pics - they look great ? > > When I take them - Not so great ? > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 06:20:21 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] USPTO test References: Message-ID: Ok Rob..that works..Does that take the work load off I'll post the 5 other ones soon Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: [SEL] USPTO test > http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1F926EEA > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 06:32:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:32:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] patent numbers Message-ID: 563140 http://makeashorterlink.com/?S22B62EEA 583982 http://makeashorterlink.com/?U37B23EEA 604405 http://makeashorterlink.com/?M19B42EEA 648122 http://makeashorterlink.com/?I1AB62EEA 723540 http://makeashorterlink.com/?V4DB16EEA The 6th one was the test. Hope this works and helps..copied off a 5hp roundrod Gal tag. RickinMt. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 21 08:25:30 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:25:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <20050421.114217.1012.7.jlb94@juno.com> That's why I said, "Thanks for the education" ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 21 08:41:56 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:41:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures Message-ID: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot using spot metering. = = = = = = Spot metering ? I don't mean to sound ignorant - but - Most of my pictures are shot by the "point & shot" method. Then - Hope for the best. Thanks Gary Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 09:00:39 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:00:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts In-Reply-To: <000701c54602$a74a23e0$5186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Stove polish looks nice also! Steve >From: "Rex Hinz" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > >Hi All; > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of >the >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright shinny >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint them, >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast iron >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , anybody >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a thread >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > >Rex Hinz > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 10:10:57 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:10:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items In-Reply-To: <4266BE45.000001.01652@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Nick, Rob, and Craig, Thanks for the responses. You've given me something to chew on. I'm thinking maybe a combination of all. I really like Rob's platform skid and the idea of wheels for easy loading and unloading. Maybe take the bottom of the platform skid and cut the 45 and 30 degree angles like Craig and Nick suggested for easy pulling if need be. I'll think it over and let ya know what I come up with. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "nick" > >Hi Luke >before Christmas i made a big skid 16ft x9ft to fit a horse shelter the >angle i used for >the ends was 30 degrees and it works ok puled round the field with a >tractor > >Nick Holden >Banbury >Oxfordshire (UK) >nick at holden1.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 11:11:16 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:11:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: <200504201000.j3KA07JW023136@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food for thought. Thank you! BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels on my Huber steamer. >Message: 38 >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Andy, > >As an alternative to JBWeld, McMaster-Carr lists a couple of high >temperature epoxy putties. One for aluminum rated to 1400 deg.F and one >for cast iron, steel, and stainless rated to 2000 deg.F. Under $30 for 8 >oz. Look for 7356A33 (or 7356A32 for the aluminum). >http://www.mcmaster.com/ > >They also carry the high temperature titanium Devcon rated to 350 deg.F. >That's a bit higher at $65 for a pound. > >Realistically, you could probably use the JBWeld also. The worst that >could happen is that some of it burns out leaving a lesser pit than you >have now. You'd still need to scrape that as Larry describes, but it >would probably be less scraping than if you left the pits unfilled. > >What diameter is the shaft? If it's beefy, the heat sink effect of the >shaft would probably conduct enough heat away that the JBWeld wouldn't be >badly damaged. > >Or just drop $30 and go for the high temperature stuff. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 11:25:57 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:25:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <200504202226.j3KMQVHN001043@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605042009222e704d33@mail.gmail.com> <200504202226.j3KMQVHN001043@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042111252bc3884d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Rob Skinner wrote: In regards to shooting engines at shows, learn to settle for mediocrity. We > have no control over backgrounds, lighting and clutter, so you're very > lucky > when you get a fabulous shot. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner Why accept mediocrity? That is not a recommendation I would like to live with. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 12:01:13 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:01:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050420234511.04661c20@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Yes Dave, You hit it right on. The axles were reversed with the right on left and the left on right and everytime I pulled it down the driveway the nuts unscrewed themselves and the wheels fell off. I can't figger out how to fix this problem so I push it now insterad of pulling it to shows! But on Mondays and Fridays it doesn't seem to matter very much. The Oystered Cloister >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:56:05 -0400 > >Hi Steve, > Many workers in the Hercules plant had a drinking problem. (Karch >did not report this in his book out of respect for the many widows that >they left behind.) In any event, this problem led to many carts being put >together improperly on Mondays and Fridays. Not only were there instances >of nuts being put on upside down, but there were also instances of left >side wheels being put on the right side of the carts and visa-versa. > I suggest that the cart that you took apart was likely built on >either a Monday or a Friday. Did you notice which side the wheels were on? > Dave >PS, Glenn and I discussed this problem at several shows last year and we >both agree that it's a terrible thing to have your nuts on upside down! > >At 10:51 PM 4/20/2005, you wrote: >>Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules >>cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover >>side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never >>been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were >>thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. >> >>>From: Curt >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 >>> >>>Arnie, >>>You've not burst my bubble :-) >>>Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >>>Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun >>>:-) >>>Curt >>>P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >>>Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >>>P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >>>over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? >>> >>> >>>Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Curt, >>>> >>>>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>>>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >>>>configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >>>>what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >>>>configuration. >>>> >>>>See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >>>> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >>>> >>>>Arnie Fero >>>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>>fero_ah at city-net.com >>>> >>>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>>>>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>>>>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle >>>>>instead >>>>>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>>>>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>>>>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>>>>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would >>>>>not >>>>>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>>>>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>>>>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the >>>>>other. >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 21 12:21:50 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:21:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042111252bc3884d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504211921.j3LJLrUQ085602@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Why accept mediocrity? That is not a recommendation > I would like to live with. You're right, Peter. It's always possible to get up before dawn, set up your camera, move all the clutter from someone's display, take down the ropes, put up new ropes to keep people away, and then wait for the perfect light, and then take as many pictures as possible, using as many combinations of apertures, shutter speeds and focus as possible -- all before the light changes. I suppose if you want to take it a step further, you could set up another camera or two with different film, just to give you more flexibility. Or you can use the Richard Backus technique. He wanders over to an engine owner, smiles, then says, "Y'know, it would be really nice if you were to drag your engine a quarter mile over to the north. I would like to see it to the left of that tree, in a north-south orientation, and I would like it there between 4:50 p.m. and 5:05 p.m." Then people scramble like crazed, pyramid-building Egyptians to move the engine to the exact spot requested. The technique seems to work. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to get up before the crack of dawn and I'm not charismatic enough to get people to move iron around at my whims. Therefore, I'm doomed to produce images of mediocre quality. Such is my fate, and I've learned to accept it. Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 12:21:18 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:21:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: Message-ID: Hi Steve; This subject came up several years ago and what I use is Dry Spray Moly in a rattle can. It seems to protect against rust yet lubricates, and can be somewhat polished up. I usually spray it on a warm surface and let it dry for several hours before rubbing it with a soft cloth. It will not rub off on you when polished and seems resistent to gas and oils used with the old engines, and can be removed with some of the stronger solvents. I've used it on valve stems, gears, pushrods, and various other places. Her's some pix's of it on the sawrig: http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200715640wmGDeW http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200716731qKKXTa here's some I used on Eco http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76455331imPOHM Some people would like to try this on their squeaky trailer hitch balls and avoid the greasy mess. The bad news...I no longer know where to get it, but Spudhead is doing some research with the old work. "Works for me" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Economy moving parts > Stove polish looks nice also! Steve > > >From: "Rex Hinz" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: > >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > > > >Hi All; > > > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of > >the > >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , > >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted > >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to > >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium > >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright > >shinny > >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint > >them, > >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast > >iron > >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , > >anybody > >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a > >thread > >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > > > >Rex Hinz > > > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 21 12:41:33 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:41:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426801ED.5090600@imc-group.com> OK Andy if you think this is a really dumb idea then just delete it. I gather the reason you've decided to not replace the short jackshaft is cost??? Since you are concerned about filling in the pits (I'd blast and use titanium Devcon) and have learned that JB won't take the pre-heat for babbitt pouring. How about this. Before filling the pits, carefully cut and wrap the shaft with a piece of .003 or .004 thick stainless shim. Have it extend and inch or more beyond the bushing area and use a pair of hose clamps to hold it in place. You might have to use thinner material and do a couple of wraps to get it to lay flat. The idea is that you will have a super slick surface to pour against and this will also build in the proper running clearance. Once you've poured, then you can remove the shaft and stainless shim stock, sand blast the pits in the bushing portion of the shaft and use the titanium Devcon. You may have to enlist the help of a friend with a lathe to finish the Devcon. It is damned tough stuff. A file isn't real effective! I have no experience using stainless as a babbitt form and only toss it out there as a possibility. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Could you use a piece of thin wall 3 1/2" DOM tubing as a dummy shaft for pouring? That should be cheap enough..... Andy Glines wrote: > As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for > ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that > leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is > actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface > on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water > got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the > rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will > result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the > bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the > bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further > investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put > them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy > shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher > temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" > about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of > sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler > would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure > that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food > for thought. Thank you! > BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels > on my Huber steamer. > >> Message: 38 >> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Arnie Fero >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> As an alternative to JBWeld, McMaster-Carr lists a couple of high >> temperature epoxy putties. One for aluminum rated to 1400 deg.F and one >> for cast iron, steel, and stainless rated to 2000 deg.F. Under $30 >> for 8 >> oz. Look for 7356A33 (or 7356A32 for the aluminum). >> http://www.mcmaster.com/ >> >> They also carry the high temperature titanium Devcon rated to 350 deg.F. >> That's a bit higher at $65 for a pound. >> >> Realistically, you could probably use the JBWeld also. The worst that >> could happen is that some of it burns out leaving a lesser pit than you >> have now. You'd still need to scrape that as Larry describes, but it >> would probably be less scraping than if you left the pits unfilled. >> >> What diameter is the shaft? If it's beefy, the heat sink effect of the >> shaft would probably conduct enough heat away that the JBWeld >> wouldn't be >> badly damaged. >> >> Or just drop $30 and go for the high temperature stuff. 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 13:33:42 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:33:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <200504211921.j3LJLrUQ085602@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605042111252bc3884d@mail.gmail.com> <200504211921.j3LJLrUQ085602@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504211333ab21df3@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to get up before the crack of dawn and I'm not > charismatic enough to get people to move iron around at my whims. > Therefore, I'm doomed to produce images of mediocre quality. Such is my fate, > and I've learned to accept it. > > Rob Hmmm, I don't know whether to take those statements as read or not. It certainly raises questions over other matters. I do remember Richard and Tommy's engine at Portland last year... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Apr 21 21:49:56 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:49:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards Message-ID: <004a01c546f6$bdbb6040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Those of you who knew my very good friend, Clinton Edwards, of Ellisville MS, will be saddened to hear that he died of cancer this morning. I have phoned my condolences to Tena and his son, Rusty. He is one mate I will miss badly. We did a lot together over the years and always had a laugh. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 22:35:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:35:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot > using spot metering. > = = = = = = > Spot metering ? I don't mean to sound ignorant - but - > Most of my pictures are shot by the "point & shot" method. > Then - Hope for the best. > > Thanks Gary > > Joe "Pip" Betz Joe: Spot metering is where the camera exposure system looks at only a small part of the picture area to determine the exposure, rather than the whole area that you can see when pointing the camera. It allows you to adjust for backlit items where the overall picture would be overexposed by the average light level. Most cameras also allow you to take an exposure reading off a surface or area and hold it while taking the picture. All of our Mavica cameras have spot metering and exposure hold, it is a useful feature and common on most cameras. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 22:40:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:40:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050420.220441.880.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.220441.880.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042122405f56a52a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > This all started because someone said "You need a website". > No - I said - I have Webshots - And I started thinking - and looking at > the OTHER websites on > Oldengine. > > A friend gave me his Microsoft "Front Page" and said "give it a try" (but > he has his reasons for this). > > After several frustrating days & nights that turned into weeks & months - > I finally had something. > > Then I tried to link it all together - - - GOOD LUCK !!! - - - Like > putting a puzzle together > BACK SIDE UP !!! > > I'm sure I'll improve it - but for now - I need a rest. > > Joe "Pip" Betz Joe: Writing your own site is great fun and the HTML code is really easy to work out. O'Reilly do a very good HTML book, it's worth getting so you can 'roll your own'. The code produced by Microsoft Word and other programmes is too complex for basic stuff, and the file sizes are inflated compared with doing your own. Most of our site uses the same basic 6 pages of code which we saved as templates, all we do then is fill in the photo file names and adjust the sizes. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Apr 22 02:52:14 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:52:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Yes Dave, You hit it right on. The axles were reversed with the >right on left and the left on right and everytime I pulled it down >the driveway the nuts unscrewed themselves and the wheels fell off. >I can't figger out how to fix this problem so I push it now >insterad of pulling it to shows! But on Mondays and Fridays it >doesn't seem to matter very much. The Oystered Cloister Steve, As you know, I'm looking for a Herc. straight frame cart. The good thing is that I'm left handed so everything here at our house is used to operating backwards compared to the rest of the world. So, your cart would function perfectly here at my place! Let me know when you'll be at home and I'll come load that defective cart and bring it back to my own little bizarro world where it will live as normal of a life as it possibly can. Glad to be able to help out, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From jbcast at charter.net Fri Apr 22 04:17:02 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:17:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards Message-ID: <41dmfb$pqs2q7@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Those of you who knew my very good friend, Clinton Edwards, of Ellisville > MS, will be saddened to hear that he died of cancer this morning. > I have phoned my condolences to Tena and his son, Rusty. > He is one mate I will miss badly. We did a lot together over the years and > always had a laugh. > Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg, I met Clinton through Anthony Goodrum, was sorry to hear this. I think his place was a stop after your Portland trip. Another of your southern friends, Nick Bettivy, is in the hospital with last stages of lung cancer, went to see him two weeks ago and he's gone down since. J.B. Castagnos From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 22 05:37:27 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:37:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] McDonald parts Message-ID: <075901c54738$0b44dc10$0201010a@Portable> For the Aussie list members. Got a mate chasing new valves for a SPI McDonald. Anyone know a source of new parts? There is a cummins valve thats close but he would prefer to buy a valve that he can fit without having to modify Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 22 06:44:40 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:44:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards Message-ID: <20050422.100132.112.3.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry Reg, We'll add a few extra prayers for him. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jnyost at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 07:47:09 2005 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] McDonald parts In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050422144710.12360.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Ray, What fun would that be if you did not have to modify something? Just kiddin!! Jim --- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: > For the Aussie list members. Got a mate chasing new > valves for a SPI McDonald. Anyone know a source of > new parts? There is a cummins valve thats close but > he would prefer to buy a valve that he can fit > without having to modify > > Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 07:47:20 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:47:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about all I know of it's history. I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit for awhile. Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? WAIT George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 09:26:37 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:26:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605042209267e5034b8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Best, George wrote: > On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. > Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about > all I know of it's history. > Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise > on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > > WAIT George Hi George: The two biggest considerations are bearings and brushes, most other things are nearly always surmountable with care. The brushes will probably be non-carbon types, usually a wad of copper wires that run on the commutator. These wear a lot quicker than ordinary carbon/graphite brushes and need more care. You cannot run the machine backwards or the brushes will fold back under and damage the commutator, so make sure you have the rotation right. Bearings will almost always be plain types, either grease or ring-oiled. As long as they are fairly good, I'd leave them alone, if they are bad at the brush end then you'll accelerate brush wear. These are also essentially relatively low-speed machines, so don't go onto anything that is much more than 500rpm or so to start with. There are a lot of old books on these machines on the internet, McGraw-Hill especially did most electrical text books of the day, have a look on ebay or on abebooks.com. Nice to see you and have a chat at Tulare... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 22 09:33:02 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:33:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504221633.j3MGX6sF004172@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Anyone have experience working on early generators and have > some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? Hi George, The commutator looked a little knackered on your genny. A pro would have a cutter to turn the comm down, kind of like a lathe. There are also special stones you can use, but you can use some fine garnet paper to clean it up pretty. Emery cloth is not good choice for this. The mica is high, as well. Again, the pros have special tools for undercutting, but you can make something up out of a piece of tool steel. Make it like a scraper, and then very carefully scrape the mica until it is lower than the commutator bars. That's where I'd start. Rob From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 09:57:45 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:57:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: Thanks Peter. This one has carbon brushes and one brush was broken but the others looked good. The brass tag on the generator says 1700 rpm, which I assume is the speed needed to produce the rated voltage. I'm guessing that running it at a lower speed would simply produce less voltage. Haven't decided yet what I'll power it with. I would assume that I should belt it to a throttle governed engine to maintain a constant speed. Hit&Miss might be tough on a generator and cause variations in voltage. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator > > On 4/22/05, Best, George wrote: > > On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from > a friend. > > Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, > that's about > > all I know of it's history. > > > > > Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some > > advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > > > > WAIT George > > Hi George: > > The two biggest considerations are bearings and brushes, most > other things are nearly always surmountable with care. > > The brushes will probably be non-carbon types, usually a wad > of copper wires that run on the commutator. These wear a lot > quicker than ordinary carbon/graphite brushes and need more care. > > You cannot run the machine backwards or the brushes will fold > back under and damage the commutator, so make sure you have > the rotation right. > > Bearings will almost always be plain types, either grease or > ring-oiled. As long as they are fairly good, I'd leave them > alone, if they are bad at the brush end then you'll > accelerate brush wear. > These are also essentially relatively low-speed machines, so > don't go onto anything that is much more than 500rpm or so to > start with. > > There are a lot of old books on these machines on the > internet, McGraw-Hill especially did most electrical text > books of the day, have a look on ebay or on abebooks.com. > > Nice to see you and have a chat at Tulare... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Apr 22 10:04:46 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:04:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator References: <200504221633.j3MGX6sF004172@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <018f01c5475d$641e86e0$e7cb7043@D6R3D961> George if your ever in the San Francisco bay area I have an armature lathe with undercuter, and a growler to test the armature. It doesnt take very long to clean and test these, Ohm out the field windings, I have an open frame generator like yours and one of my field windings is open. Looks like I will have too hand rewind mine Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator >> Anyone have experience working on early generators and have >> some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > > Hi George, > The commutator looked a little knackered on your genny. A pro would have > a > cutter to turn the comm down, kind of like a lathe. There are also > special > stones you can use, but you can use some fine garnet paper to clean it up > pretty. Emery cloth is not good choice for this. > > The mica is high, as well. Again, the pros have special tools for > undercutting, > but you can make something up out of a piece of tool steel. Make it like > a > scraper, and then very carefully scrape the mica until it is lower than > the > commutator bars. > > That's where I'd start. > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 10:28:00 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:28:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: Rob, I think I'll take the brushes out just to make sure that nothing is rubbing against the commutator and also to insure that turning it backwards doesn't accidentally screw up something. Of course then my problem is remembering where I put the brushes for safe keeping! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Hi George, > The commutator looked a little knackered on your genny. A > pro would have a cutter to turn the comm down, kind of like a > lathe. There are also special stones you can use, but you > can use some fine garnet paper to clean it up pretty. Emery > cloth is not good choice for this. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 22 10:34:04 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:34:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504221734.j3MHY7qG029611@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Haven't decided yet what I'll power it with. I would assume that I > should belt it to a throttle governed engine to maintain a constant > speed. Hit&Miss might be tough on a generator and cause variations in > voltage. Hi George, If you're willing to file a brush to the correct size, let me know the dimensions of the existing brushes and I'll try to find something close. I think a hit & miss engine would be very cool on a generator. You could hook the genny up to some lights or a big meter, and then the tourists could watch the light intensity fluctuate with the speed of the engine. Rob From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Apr 22 10:19:45 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy all, I'm betting that Steve won't take me up on my offer to relieve him of the burden of his obviously defective Her. cart so I'm hoping that y'all will be able to help me out with some contact info. I've been told that someone that I should contact is Rick Rohrs. Does anybody have any contact info for him or his business partner Leo? If he can help me out and is planning to go to the Portland swap meet it would be great to set things up with him. Thanks, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 11:18:45 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: Rob, Good point. Would show why hit&miss engines aren't normally used for generators ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > I think a hit & miss engine would be very cool on a > generator. You could hook the genny up to some lights or a > big meter, and then the tourists could watch the light > intensity fluctuate with the speed of the engine. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:30:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:30:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160504221130186e3daa@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Best, George wrote: > Thanks Peter. This one has carbon brushes and one brush was broken but the others looked good. The brass tag on the generator says 1700 rpm, which I assume is the speed needed to produce the rated voltage. I'm guessing that running it at a lower speed would simply produce less voltage. Haven't decided yet what I'll power it with. I would assume that I should belt it to a throttle governed engine to maintain a constant speed. Hit&Miss might be tough on a generator and cause variations in voltage. Hi again, George: That would make it quite a bit later than the period you suggested, I have a Morganite book or two here, one which has the company history in, I'll see if I can get an idea of when the general change-over to carbon began. 1700 rpm also sounds more modern, if not high for such a device. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 22 11:30:19 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:30:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426942BB.8020301@imc-group.com> Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > I'm betting that Steve won't take me up on my offer to relieve him of > the burden of his obviously defective Her. cart so I'm hoping that > y'all will be able to help me out with some contact info. I've been > told that someone that I should contact is Rick Rohrs. Does anybody > have any contact info for him or his business partner Leo? If he can > help me out and is planning to go to the Portland swap meet it would > be great to set things up with him. > > Thanks, > Mike Mike, I am showing 402-798-7323 and rustyirons_inc at yahoo.com as last contact info. He's strong on carts and ask him about a Famous too. He and Wayne have got the stuff in the Neb/Kan area! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:35:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:35:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility Message-ID: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> Helen (Dolly) emailed me this afternoon regarding the appearance of the Tulare pictures on her PC, on which she is using Firefox as a web browser. I downloaded a copy of the programme and checked myself, and the 3 pictures across by 4 rows down format just comes out as a vertical stream of picures, albeit they all show OK and link to the relevant pages. I don't particularly want to restrict the availability of the site to anyone, and we did check the pages with IE, Opera and Netscape, so I will post a note to the effect that it is not Firefox compatible for now, and try and get a fix when I have the time to spare. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:43:23 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:43:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: <200504221000.j3MA06jP000867@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Curt, I have yet to think that one of your ideas is dumb so I have no intention of deleting this. I never really thought of replacing the shaft. A 3" (checked last night) shaft about 54" long complete with keyways, machined bearing surfaces, threaded holes.... could get a little $$$ though. This shaft is serviceable just needs to be a little slicker. The shim stock on the O.D. idea is pretty creative and I'm going to keep that one in my bag of tricks. Where do I get stainless shimstock? I've never seen beer sold in a stainless can?? The dummy shaft solution is looking more & more attractive all of the time. I'm going to have to eat my words about the castings being easily removable. I should know better than to use the word "easy" when refering to a 100 year old machine. I'm not familiar with "DOM" tubing. What does DOM mean? > 25. Re: RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >Message: 25 >Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:41:33 -0400 >From: Curt >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <426801ED.5090600 at imc-group.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >OK Andy if you think this is a really dumb idea then just delete it. >I gather the reason you've decided to not replace the short jackshaft is >cost??? Since you are concerned about filling in the pits (I'd blast and >use titanium Devcon) and have learned that JB won't take the pre-heat >for babbitt pouring. How about this. > >Before filling the pits, carefully cut and wrap the shaft with a piece >of .003 or .004 thick stainless shim. Have it extend and inch or more >beyond the bushing area and use a pair of hose clamps to hold it in >place. You might have to use thinner material and do a couple of wraps >to get it to lay flat. The idea is that you will have a super slick >surface to pour against and this will also build in the proper running >clearance. > >Once you've poured, then you can remove the shaft and stainless shim >stock, sand blast the pits in the bushing portion of the shaft and use >the titanium Devcon. You may have to enlist the help of a friend with a >lathe to finish the Devcon. It is damned tough stuff. A file isn't real >effective! > >I have no experience using stainless as a babbitt form and only toss it >out there as a possibility. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >P.S. Could you use a piece of thin wall 3 1/2" DOM tubing as a dummy >shaft for pouring? That should be cheap enough..... > > >Andy Glines wrote: > > > As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for > > ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that > > leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is > > actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface > > on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water > > got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the > > rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will > > result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the > > bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the > > bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further > > investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put > > them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy > > shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher > > temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" > > about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of > > sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler > > would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure > > that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food > > for thought. Thank you! > > BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels > > on my Huber steamer. > > From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Fri Apr 22 11:58:41 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:58:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George, I've got a box of worn brushes they replace out of the street cars in New Orleans. Roughly 2"x1-3/4"x9/16" in size. We use them in a frame placed like tiles as a work surface for small brazing jobs. Contact me off list at jdragoset at galvotec.com Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about all I know of it's history. I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit for awhile. Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? WAIT George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 22 11:45:15 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4269463B.6060604@imc-group.com> George, Nice find! There was one of these at Coolsprings last year that I lusted after all weekend. Do you know if these were stand alone DC gens for lighting, etc. or were they an exciter motor for part of a much larger gen set? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. You gotten great mechanical advice in several posts. For electrical checks use your analog meter and check for wet windings by using the highest megohm scale. Just choose one side of each of the 4 pole windings to the frame. Only touch one of the meter leads or you will be reading you bodies resistance. There should be infinite resistance if all is dry. If not a baking in the wife's oven at about 200?F for a few days should dry it all out. :-) Do the same with the armature. On both the arm and fields you'll need to disconnect them all electrically. Now switch the meter to the R1 setting and measure the resistance of each filed winding. They should all be about the same. Very low resistance. You can check the arm/comm but it is a lot more work! If it passed the above tests I'd venture a guess it is OK. Best, George wrote: >On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. >Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about >all I know of it's history. > >I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 > >While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt >pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up >some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start >another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit >for awhile. > >Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the >generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying >this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. > >Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise >on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From segray at mlode.com Fri Apr 22 12:45:16 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:45:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> Hi Peter - Sorry I missed ya at Tulare. The browser thing might be a screen resolution thing, since I'm using Netscape 7.2 and also get the vertical column of pics. Everything works and looks great, though. I'm set at the 768 x 1024 resolution. OBTW, that 25 HP Fairbanks Y oil engine for sale on page 9 of your site will be coming home to the Gold Country next weekend, weather permitting. :-) I'm having to peddle some other iron to make room for it! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Listerdiesel wrote: >Helen (Dolly) emailed me this afternoon regarding the appearance of the >Tulare pictures on her PC, on which she is using Firefox as a web browser. > I downloaded a copy of the programme and checked myself, and the 3 pictures >across by 4 rows down format just comes out as a vertical stream of picures, >albeit they all show OK and link to the relevant pages. > I don't particularly want to restrict the availability of the site to >anyone, and we did check the pages with IE, Opera and Netscape, so I will >post a note to the effect that it is not Firefox compatible for now, and try >and get a fix when I have the time to spare. > >Peter > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Apr 22 12:58:55 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:58:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator..connecting leads to carbon brushes Message-ID: <7b.43c82e91.2f9ab17f@aol.com> Hi George, I have been reading an old text which I keep in the throne room library, and ran across a method of connecting copper pigtail wires to carbon brushes. This is rather long and roundabout, and it comes from The WAR-TIME GUIDE BOOK prepared by the Editorial Staff of POPULAR SCIENCE MONTHLY, GROSSET & DUNLAP, New York, 1942, p.147, but it looks like it will get you the brushes you may need. Copper Amalgam Although mercury will amalgamate with copper sheet to produce a bright slivery surface, this method cannot be used to produce an amalgam of copper because the copper is only alloyed on the surface. However, finely divided copper metal, such as that obtained by precipitation, can be alloyed readily with mercury to produce a pliable copper amalgam. To produce the copper in finely divided form, suspend several strips of zinc or iron in a solution of copper sulphate or copper nitrate. The iron or zinc will dissolve, precipitating the copper out upon its surface in the form of a fine powder. Collect this powder, and if the solution is still blue, further powder may be precipitated out by allowing more iron or zinc to act on the solution. Wash the precipitated copper well with running water and pour onto it a solution of mercuric nitrate which can be made by dissolving a globule of mercury in nitric acid. Allow the mercury chloride solution to act for about ten minutes, until the color has changed somewhat. Pour onto the precipitated copper contained in a mortar several times its weight of mercury metal and knead the mass under hot water by means of a pestle. The mercury will then amalgamate with the copper. The produce can be used to take impressions, fill holes in copper work, or serve as an electrical conductive cement to join pigtails to carbon brushes, and also to join certain metals together. For this latter operation, the metals, which must have been cleaned, are heated to about 180?F., the copper amalgam rubbed on at the contact surface and pressed firmly together, reheating slightly, applying clamps, and allowing them to remain on until the metal joint has become cold. George, thank you for providing a reason to share. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 13:25:51 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:25:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042213255ab8d949@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Peter - > > Sorry I missed ya at Tulare. The browser thing might be a screen > resolution thing, since I'm using Netscape 7.2 and also get the vertical > column of pics. Everything works and looks great, though. I'm set at the > 768 x 1024 resolution. OBTW, that 25 HP Fairbanks Y oil engine for sale > on page 9 of your site will be coming home to the Gold Country next > weekend, weather permitting. :-) I'm having to peddle some other iron > to make room for it! > > - Steve Hi Steve: I watched you setting up on the Sunday, but you were a bit involved with starting engines etc., so we left you alone, meaning to pop back, but when we did make it back later you were gone... probably about the time of the parade start? Got shots of the engines on your trailer though, they'll be up there soon! The Fairbanks was a nice lump, wouldn't have minded that one myself, but carriage charges etc would make it a bit too expensive :-(( Who was the guy with you? he was lining the flywheel of the horizontal engine next to your trailer. Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 13:38:38 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:38:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, Mike, I've already modified it soo much that it thinks its a Foos cart now! See ya Steve >From: Michael Tucker >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:52:14 -0400 > >>Yes Dave, You hit it right on. The axles were reversed with the right on >>left and the left on right and everytime I pulled it down the driveway the >>nuts unscrewed themselves and the wheels fell off. I can't figger out how >>to fix this problem so I push it now insterad of pulling it to shows! But >>on Mondays and Fridays it doesn't seem to matter very much. The Oystered >>Cloister > >Steve, > >As you know, I'm looking for a Herc. straight frame cart. The good thing >is that I'm left handed so everything here at our house is used to >operating backwards compared to the rest of the world. So, your cart would >function perfectly here at my place! Let me know when you'll be at home >and I'll come load that defective cart and bring it back to my own little >bizarro world where it will live as normal of a life as it possibly can. > >Glad to be able to help out, >Mike >-- >____________________ >Michael Tucker >Midway, Kentucky, USA >mtucker at uky.edu >____________________ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pcgray at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 22 14:18:21 2005 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:18:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Patents In-Reply-To: <200504221000.j3MA06jO000867@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <0DDA4A47-B374-11D9-A72B-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net> Rob- This is a great start!! Glad to hear you are taking on the project. There is another way to search the USPTO database. If you click on : http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspcindex/indextouspc.htm you'll get the patent classification by subject. Then go to "I" and scroll down to class 123 for internal combustion engines you can see all the sub classes. For example there is a class for non-compression engines. I usually jump to the end of the list of patents in a class/sub-class to see the oldies. This will take you directly to all the IC patents: http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspc123/sched123.htm Like wise, this will take you to all the non-compression IC engine patents : Class 123/39 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph- Parser?Sect1=PTO2&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch- bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=123%2F39&FIELD1=ORCL&d=pall To view patents on-line you will need a special TIFF reader.... a good one is AlternaTiff.com and it is free Once you have the list of all the classes for IC engines printed out, you can search directly by class in the search menu... Still takes a lot of browsing but allows you to go by what interests you- a lot like fishing. I do a lot with intellectual property and patents in my work......so I spend a lot of time searching the USPTO. Here is one: 626,189 EJ Fithian , Bessemer Gas engine conversion cylinder w/ pendulum governer I will send you the list of what I have accumulated over the years- Paul From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 22 14:20:53 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator References: <4269463B.6060604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <02c201c54781$2a70dc80$a65bef18@pengy> You're pretty lucky! I've been looking for a DC generator for a long while. I have a DC overhead crane that will work if I had the DC to run it. I've been thinking of using a 15 hp shunt would motor as a generator to provide the power I need. Basically a DC motor and dynamo are the same machine. The main difference is in the direction the electricity is going. I've been collecting old DC books and literature for years so if you can't find info. on these elsewhere I would be willing to provide you with some info. that I have. Old ICS textbooks are great reference material. When you go to set this up I have access to literally tons of DC electrical equipment from the same era. All the mills around here ran on DC. I have contactors, rheostats, resistors, controllers, gauges, etc. Depending upon what you need I could supply you with enough stuff to make a real nice DC setup. An engine driving the generator hooked up to a barrel controller operating another motor driving some piece of equipment would be a great attention getter at a show. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator > George, > Nice find! There was one of these at Coolsprings last year that I lusted > after all weekend. > Do you know if these were stand alone DC gens for lighting, etc. or were > they an exciter motor for part of a much larger gen set? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. You gotten great mechanical advice in several posts. For electrical > checks use your analog meter and check for wet windings by using the > highest megohm scale. Just choose one side of each of the 4 pole windings > to the frame. Only touch one of the meter leads or you will be reading you > bodies resistance. There should be infinite resistance if all is dry. If > not a baking in the wife's oven at about 200?F for a few days should dry > it all out. :-) Do the same with the armature. On both the arm and fields > you'll need to disconnect them all electrically. > Now switch the meter to the R1 setting and measure the resistance of each > filed winding. They should all be about the same. Very low resistance. > You can check the arm/comm but it is a lot more work! If it passed the > above tests I'd venture a guess it is OK. > > > > Best, George wrote: > >>On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. >>Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about >>all I know of it's history. >> >>I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 >> >>While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt >>pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up >>some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start >>another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit >>for awhile. >> >>Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the >>generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying >>this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. >> >>Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise >>on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? >> >>WAIT George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 22 14:22:21 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:22:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: Message-ID: <02c701c54781$5e8c6660$a65bef18@pengy> DOM Drawn over mandrel. A process to make better dimensional tolerances in the pipe. At least I think thats what it does. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > Curt, I have yet to think that one of your ideas is dumb so I have no > intention of deleting this. I never really thought of replacing the > shaft. A 3" (checked last night) shaft about 54" long complete with > keyways, machined bearing surfaces, threaded holes.... could get a little > $$$ though. This shaft is serviceable just needs to be a little slicker. > The shim stock on the O.D. idea is pretty creative and I'm going to keep > that one in my bag of tricks. Where do I get stainless shimstock? I've > never seen beer sold in a stainless can?? The dummy shaft solution is > looking more & more attractive all of the time. I'm going to have to eat > my words about the castings being easily removable. I should know better > than to use the word "easy" when refering to a 100 year old machine. I'm > not familiar with "DOM" tubing. What does DOM mean? > >> 25. Re: RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >>Message: 25 >>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:41:33 -0400 >>From: Curt >>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Message-ID: <426801ED.5090600 at imc-group.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>OK Andy if you think this is a really dumb idea then just delete it. >>I gather the reason you've decided to not replace the short jackshaft is >>cost??? Since you are concerned about filling in the pits (I'd blast and >>use titanium Devcon) and have learned that JB won't take the pre-heat >>for babbitt pouring. How about this. >> >>Before filling the pits, carefully cut and wrap the shaft with a piece >>of .003 or .004 thick stainless shim. Have it extend and inch or more >>beyond the bushing area and use a pair of hose clamps to hold it in >>place. You might have to use thinner material and do a couple of wraps >>to get it to lay flat. The idea is that you will have a super slick >>surface to pour against and this will also build in the proper running >>clearance. >> >>Once you've poured, then you can remove the shaft and stainless shim >>stock, sand blast the pits in the bushing portion of the shaft and use >>the titanium Devcon. You may have to enlist the help of a friend with a >>lathe to finish the Devcon. It is damned tough stuff. A file isn't real >>effective! >> >>I have no experience using stainless as a babbitt form and only toss it >>out there as a possibility. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>P.S. Could you use a piece of thin wall 3 1/2" DOM tubing as a dummy >>shaft for pouring? That should be cheap enough..... >> >> >>Andy Glines wrote: >> >> > As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for >> > ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that >> > leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is >> > actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface >> > on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water >> > got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the >> > rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will >> > result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the >> > bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the >> > bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further >> > investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put >> > them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy >> > shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher >> > temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" >> > about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of >> > sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler >> > would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure >> > that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food >> > for thought. Thank you! >> > BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels >> > on my Huber steamer. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 22 14:47:48 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:47:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards now Nick Bettevy References: <41dmfb$pqs2q7@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00ab01c54784$ef7b0840$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes,Things are looking grim for Nick too. I feel we wont have him with us for too long. Another top engine man, good freind and family man being lost to our ranks. Thanks to all who sent me a mail on this. Not that there is anything that could be done but, the distance makes it a lot harder. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Reg, I met Clinton through Anthony Goodrum, was sorry to hear this. I > think his place was a stop after your Portland trip. Another of your > southern friends, Nick Bettivy, is in the hospital with last stages of > lung cancer, went to see him two weeks ago and he's gone down since. > J.B. Castagnos From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 22 15:16:27 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:16:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine Message-ID: <000901c54788$f1ba2600$ad9d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one have any information on the Tessler Steam Turbine? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 22 15:25:16 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:25:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: <4269463B.6060604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200504222225.j3MMPJdJ056493@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > checks use your analog meter and check for wet windings by using the > highest megohm scale. Just choose one side of each of the 4 pole > windings to the frame. Only touch one of the meter leads or > you will be reading you bodies resistance. There should be infinite resistance if > all is dry. If not a baking in the wife's oven at about 200?F > for a few days should dry it all out. :-) Hi Curt, I'd like to put another spin on the issue... First, a little analog meter is probably running off nine volts. You might be reading a winding as good, but when the winding is powered up with full voltage, it might be faulty. A megohm meter is a better tool to use. It will pump a few hundred volts through the winding and could detect a faulty winding when a low voltage meter will not. Secondly, a bad winding is not necessarily bad. A few years back I got my boss to buy me a really nice digital megger. You know how fun it is to have new toys... I had to play with it. I measured every motor and generator in town. Shockingly, most showed low resistance, in the neighborhood of a 200k. Rarely did I find a generator or motor that was over one megohm. Yet, all these motors and generators were in service. So the conclusion is that if you use a megger and read a winding as good, you can be pretty sure it's good. If you use a small multimeter or megger and get readings of a few 10's of k or higher, you can't be sure of anything. Only if you get a crazy-low resistance of a few k or lower can you say with reasonble certainty that a winding is bad. You can get nice old meggers (megohm meters) off of ebay for under fifty bucks. They're very useful in working on magnetos, especially for checking capacitor leakage. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From segray at mlode.com Fri Apr 22 15:57:50 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:57:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042213255ab8d949@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> <6f60251605042213255ab8d949@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4269816E.3070804@mlode.com> That was probably Mike McKinney since he had most of the engines next to me. He's also a member of Branch 27. I've known the owner of the Y for years and have helped work on it and start it many times. I've pestered him about it for almost as long, but his sale at this time caught me off guard. I'm having to put some things on the back burner now while the 'toy fund' has a chance to recuperate. Oh well, ya have to strike when the iron's hot! ;-) - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Listerdiesel wrote: > > Hi Steve: > I watched you setting up on the Sunday, but you were a bit involved with >starting engines etc., so we left you alone, meaning to pop back, but when >we did make it back later you were gone... probably about the time of the >parade start? Got shots of the engines on your trailer though, they'll be up >there soon! > >The Fairbanks was a nice lump, wouldn't have minded that one myself, but >carriage charges etc would make it a bit too expensive :-(( >Who was the guy with you? he was lining the flywheel of the horizontal >engine next to your trailer. > Peter > > > >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 22 18:11:21 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86cb49c7acebc52d5182720870023fba@chartertn.net> Geoff Hutchings has one in his barn that, as I recall, looks just like it. John On Apr 22, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Best, George wrote: > On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. > Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about > all I know of it's history. > > I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 22 18:23:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:23:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Book update Message-ID: <4269A386.8010305@earthlink.net> Hi all, Back in the days of the wild wild west folks would look forward to the next chapter of a book published in the newspaper. You can now re-live those days as I get this online. I have the table of contents up and running and a couple chapters. If you get a bad link on the next page window, it's cause it ain't there yet. Put em in when I build the page. Saddle up and enjoy the ride. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/TOC.html Jeff Allen PS. Comment always welcome. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 18:35:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:35:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Listerdiesel wrote: Further research on this would indicate that Firefox will only recognise a full HTML table for a structured page layout, while the other browsers will set up a page of pictures without using the table command. This is OK as all the other browsers will happily run this code as well, it just means that I'll have to amend the templates on our HTML editor and also the new pages that have been created this week. For earlier menus, I'll have to pass for now as I haven't the spare time to re-code all of them, but as long as I know the problem I can maybe go back occasionally and get a few pages done. This also applies to our company website as well, so I have that to sort out as well.... :-(( I am just creating a new Tulare pictures Page 1 to test this out. It works OK with Firefox on the PC looking at the hard drive, I will upload it to Oldengine.org later on and try it out over the internet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 18:57:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, Listerdiesel wrote: I have uploaded what should be a Firefox compatible version of the first Tulare menu page. Could anyone with Firefox in use have a quick look and check that the page is OK please? http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/TulareMenu051.htm This file has replaced the existing one for now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 20:06:29 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Patented Engines Message-ID: <20050423030630.64264.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Go check out patent # 644295 Does anyone know if this engine was ever built? Sold? Name? I sure would love to see one in action. Alan Bowen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 22 20:06:41 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:06:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504230306.j3N36QK23285@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Looks good to me, peter, pics are 3 across! Thanks, Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:57 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility On 4/23/05, Listerdiesel wrote: I have uploaded what should be a Firefox compatible version of the first Tulare menu page. Could anyone with Firefox in use have a quick look and check that the page is OK please? http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/TulareMenu051.htm This file has replaced the existing one for now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 20:53:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:53:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <200504230306.j3N36QK23285@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> <200504230306.j3N36QK23285@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042220535497461c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, Gene Waugh wrote: > Looks good to me, peter, pics are 3 across! > > Thanks, > > Gene Thanks very much, Gene, I have had good reports back from others including Larry Evans. All of the 9 menu pages are now rewritten for Firefox, and I have also done Page 10 as well, with another few pages to come. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Apr 22 20:53:37 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:53:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know the correct dimensions? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Apr 22 21:22:44 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:22:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> Peter, Thanks, I sent Joe a note off list attempting to explain spot metering, but you explained in much better than I did and in fewer words. Thanks, Gary Listerdiesel wrote: > On 4/21/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > >>The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot >>using spot metering. >>= = = = = = >>Spot metering ? I don't mean to sound ignorant - but - >>Most of my pictures are shot by the "point & shot" method. >>Then - Hope for the best. >> >>Thanks Gary >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz > > > > Joe: > Spot metering is where the camera exposure system looks at only a small > part of the picture area to determine the exposure, rather than the whole > area that you can see when pointing the camera. > It allows you to adjust for backlit items where the overall picture would > be overexposed by the average light level. > Most cameras also allow you to take an exposure reading off a surface or > area and hold it while taking the picture. > All of our Mavica cameras have spot metering and exposure hold, it is a > useful feature and common on most cameras. > Peter -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 22 23:26:07 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:26:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c547cd$591fef20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Peter, page 8 is just working for the halve, in Firefox and in IE. John H. On 4/23/05, Listerdiesel wrote: I have uploaded what should be a Firefox compatible version of the first Tulare menu page. Could anyone with Firefox in use have a quick look and check that the page is OK please? http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/TulareMenu051.htm This file has replaced the existing one for now. Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 02:20:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:20:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <002301c547cd$591fef20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> <002301c547cd$591fef20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6f6025160504230220515f9512@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, John Hammink wrote: > Peter, page 8 is just working for the halve, > in Firefox and in IE. > > John H. Thanks, John: Should be OK now... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 02:53:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:53:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, Gary Epps wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks, I sent Joe a note off list attempting to explain spot metering, > but you explained in much better than I did and in fewer words. > > Thanks, > Gary OK, I only sent a reply as I couldn't see anyone else replying! :-)) See you at Portland? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Apr 23 06:04:21 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:04:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> I figured that was the case, and you said it much more succinctly than I did. Yes, we plan to be at Portland. It's been too long since I've been there. The last time I was there Reg and Peter & Kaye were there and maybe Paul P. At any rate it has been a long time. Gary Listerdiesel wrote: > On 4/23/05, Gary Epps wrote: > >>Peter, >> >>Thanks, I sent Joe a note off list attempting to explain spot metering, >>but you explained in much better than I did and in fewer words. >> >>Thanks, >>Gary > > > OK, I only sent a reply as I couldn't see anyone else replying! :-)) > > See you at Portland? > > Peter -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 23 00:58:13 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:58:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine In-Reply-To: <000901c54788$f1ba2600$ad9d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20050423075813.90042.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Peter Go to www.camdenmin.co.uk They have a book called "The Tesla Disc Turbine" by Cairns. Price ?5.90 + postage Hope this helps. Regardsd Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- peter ogborne wrote: > Does any one have any information on the Tessler Steam Turbine? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From b2 at chooka.net Sat Apr 23 09:10:43 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:10:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank References: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006d01c5481f$00bb5430$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Ron, if someone doesn't jump in sooner I'll be able to get this for you but it will take a while. My Economy 7 hp is stored about 200 miles from my residence, will be visiting those folks sometime the next month or 2 but not right away. I believe mine (in storage and unrestored) will have an original tank. It is set up as a saw rig and in my mind's eye the tank is in the base and presumably will be just what you need. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank > Hi all. > I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know the > correct dimensions? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Apr 23 09:37:45 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:37:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info Message-ID: <1c5.26a2c01e.2f9bd3d9@aol.com> In a message dated 4/22/2005 2:04:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtucker at uky.edu writes: << I'm betting that Steve won't take me up on my offer to relieve him of the burden of his obviously defective Herc. cart so I'm hoping that I'll will be able to help me out with some contact info >> Mike, What type of Herc cart are you looking for? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 23 09:59:21 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:59:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Patents In-Reply-To: <0DDA4A47-B374-11D9-A72B-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <200504231659.j3NGxNNL036359@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > scroll down to class 123 for internal combustion engines > you can see all the sub classes. For example there is a class for > non-compression engines. I usually jump to the end of the list of > patents in a class/sub-class to see the oldies. Thanks Paul, Our Phase 2 searches are focusing on the Hiscox list. Later Phases will utilize the "classifications" as you describe. Ken C. is smarter in that area, so when the time comes, we'll have to come up with a method of searching that will minimize wasted efforts. Rob From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 23 11:13:49 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:13:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Driver licensing References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704478642@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <008a01c54830$33001280$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> When I was re-located to Switzerland in the late 70's I obtained a Swiss Drivers license without taking a test. The Drivers License did not have any expiration date on it. On a vacation trip to the U.S.A. I rented an auto at the airport and took off down the highway at 90 mph like I was used to driving on the autobahn in Germany. It wasn't too far down the highway that I got caught in a airplane type of speed trap. I handed the officer my Swiss Drivers license. He gave me a ticket with a court date and said I could call and find out the cost of the fine and mail it in. Well I did call and found out the cost of the fine was $95. I never did get around to mailing it in or appearing in court (But the next time I got stopped a couple of years later I used my U.S.A. license). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Driver licensing > >>>Driver licencing is quite complex in the UK and Europe, you have lots > of different classes of licence. I have car, motorcycle and truck > licences, but within the average group such as the car or truck there > are more sub-classes that you may or may not need a test for. > > >>>Peter From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 23 10:14:13 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists Message-ID: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Luke, Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=6172135601 From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 23 11:21:44 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:21:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether Message-ID: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> My friend has a vertical FH Briggs engine which he has been running for 12 years. He decided to put in new rings. After putting in new rings he was having problems starting it. While he was cranking it using a drill motor his friend gave it a shot of ether. The head blew off hitting the ceiling. It broke off at the second fin from the top where the head bolts end. He is now in the market for another block. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 11:52:57 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:52:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504231152263b1f6c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > As mentioned the other day, I have got the first two pages of pictures up on > our site for folks to have a look at. All 15 menu pages are up and running, 190 picture pages. The USS Pampanito submarine internal pictures are on menu pages 13, 14 and 15. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 11:58:39 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:58:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Awwww, eBay's taken it down. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Luke, > Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=6172135601 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 12:00:09 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:00:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising to never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may result." No kidding! John On Apr 23, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Charles R Bryant wrote: > My friend has a vertical FH Briggs engine which he has been > running for 12 years. He decided to put in new rings. After putting > in new rings he was having problems starting it. While he was cranking > it using a drill motor his friend gave it a shot of ether. The head > blew off > hitting the ceiling. It broke off at the second fin from the top where > the > head bolts end. He is now in the market for another block. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 23 12:00:55 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:00:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Using Adobe photoshop 8 for drawing Engine transfers (Decals in US) Message-ID: <000d01c54836$c8a41ec0$fa4c1152@no1> In the past when I have been cleaning up engine decals for people using Adobe photoshop the hardest part has been bending the writing round the decal. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/328885515zvjTRy for one I did earlier. 8^) I have just discovered that the CS version lets you bend text but using the methods are not the easiest things to learn. Is anyone else trying to learn this so we can discuss ways & help each other? Dave Croft Warrington England davecroft at nospammershere.co.uk This does work! From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 23 12:23:57 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:23:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050423.122357.1572.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Bill. The tank in mine has rounded corners and is not even being used. Want to get it back to stock. Yes the tank is in the base and rectangular. I'll let you know if someone comes through before you get to yours. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:10:43 -0500 "Bill Brueck" writes: > Ron, if someone doesn't jump in sooner I'll be able to get this for > you but > it will take a while. My Economy 7 hp is stored about 200 miles > from my > residence, will be visiting those folks sometime the next month or 2 > but not > right away. I believe mine (in storage and unrestored) will have an > > original tank. It is set up as a saw rig and in my mind's eye the > tank is > in the base and presumably will be just what you need. > > B? > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 23 12:46:01 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:46:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Or more likely, Jane has installed a block on your computer to prevent you from purchasing more cool stuff off ebay. It's still up; check again. Rob > Awwww, eBay's taken it down. > > John > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 23 13:13:56 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:13:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether References: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <009001c54840$fac3f420$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> If there is a glow plug in the intake manifold, that's where the trouble starts. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Caution Using Ether > My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising to > never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may result." > No kidding! > > John > > On Apr 23, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Charles R Bryant wrote: > >> My friend has a vertical FH Briggs engine which he has been >> running for 12 years. He decided to put in new rings. After putting >> in new rings he was having problems starting it. While he was cranking >> it using a drill motor his friend gave it a shot of ether. The head blew >> off >> hitting the ceiling. It broke off at the second fin from the top where >> the >> head bolts end. He is now in the market for another block. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Apr 23 13:15:11 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:15:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <426AACCF.70906@earthlink.net> Here it is. Drool away! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6172135601 Rob Skinner wrote: >Or more likely, Jane has installed a block on your computer to prevent you from >purchasing more cool stuff off ebay. >It's still up; check again. > >Rob > > > > > >>Awwww, eBay's taken it down. >> >>John >> >> > > > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 13:39:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:39:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <58b7db2d31c3d33523254555076c3d5f@chartertn.net> Hmmm, it's back! I do have a supply of spindle oil. I need a lathe to use it on. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Or more likely, Jane has installed a block on your computer to prevent > you from > purchasing more cool stuff off ebay. > It's still up; check again. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 13:41:59 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:41:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: <009001c54840$fac3f420$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <009001c54840$fac3f420$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: The glow plugs on the Chette's Isuzu Diesel are right in the combustion chambers. The problem is with fuel vapor preigniting and detonating on the upstroke of the piston, trying to force it back against that heavy flywheel's momentum. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > If there is a glow plug in the intake manifold, that's where the > trouble starts. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Apr 23 14:13:14 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:13:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether Message-ID: Hi John, That's true, and so did my old VW wagon, and Mercedes, and, Isuzu. But, you know when it is cold out, and the fool thing won't start despite all your other remedies, you can get to where you don't care if the ether destroys it or not. Start or die! That's the cry. I have found a shot of Gibbs will get a diesel engine going without the "Knock" that ether causes. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:40:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising to never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may result." No kidding! John From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 23 14:20:05 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:20:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info In-Reply-To: <1c5.26a2c01e.2f9bd3d9@aol.com> References: <1c5.26a2c01e.2f9bd3d9@aol.com> Message-ID: >What type of Herc cart are you looking for? Hello Tom, I'm looking for a Hercules straight frame cart for a 5 hp engine. My plan is to mount a 4 hp IHC Famous and a tilt table buzz saw attachment on it to put together a working buzz saw rig. If you hear of either of those critters for sale, I would appreciate it if you would let me know. Take care, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 15:43:14 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:43:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c5751258e511bd346d3f7168ef6de41@chartertn.net> "Start or die!" :-) Yeah, I know the feeling. Been there with my Harley. A bigger problem with the 'Vette that stranded my Dad on cold days is that is would start (this one has an optional engine block preheater that he'd plug in), but the pickup screen in the fuel tank is not heated and clogs up with wax if the temperature's below the cloud point of the fuel. Chevrolet recommended running it on kerosene or 10% gasoline in temps below 20F. BTW, if you've got AC power available, a big hair dryer pointed into the intake is a big help with starting a cold Diesel. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 5:13 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi John, > That's true, and so did my old VW wagon, and Mercedes, and, Isuzu. > But, you > know when it is cold out, and the fool thing won't start despite all > your > other remedies, you can get to where you don't care if the ether > destroys it or > not. Start or die! That's the cry. I have found a shot of Gibbs > will get > a diesel engine going without the "Knock" that ether causes. > > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:40:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, > johnculp at chartertn.net writes: > > My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising > to > never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may > result." No kidding! > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 17:00:26 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey John, That is what Premiun Diesel is for. Run it in the cold weather. I have been told there is something in the Premiun Diesel that keeps it from getting so stiff in the cold. My Dodge D250 with the Cummins Diesel has one of those stickers too. I wouldn't ever shoot an engine up that has glow plugs. My old Ford 3500 Industrial tractor has a three cylinder diesel without the glow plugs. If I plug in the block heater about three hours before I want to start it up I don't have to hit it with ether. Unless of course it is very cold then I need both the block heater and the ether. I have fired it up at -10 F that way. Alan Bowen --- John Culp wrote: > "Start or die!" :-) > > Yeah, I know the feeling. Been there with my Harley. > > A bigger problem with the 'Vette that stranded my Dad on cold days is > that is would start (this one has an optional engine block preheater > that he'd plug in), but the pickup screen in the fuel tank is not > heated and clogs up with wax if the temperature's below the cloud point > of the fuel. Chevrolet recommended running it on kerosene or 10% > gasoline in temps below 20F. > > BTW, if you've got AC power available, a big hair dryer pointed into > the intake is a big help with starting a cold Diesel. > > John > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Sat Apr 23 18:04:36 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:04:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050423175743.02867ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as I took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little interest. Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing at shows I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 18:06:15 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:06:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Isn't any "Premium Diesel" sold around here. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hey John, > That is what Premiun Diesel is for. > Run it in the cold weather. > I have been told there is something in the Premiun Diesel that keeps > it from getting so stiff in > the cold. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 23 19:05:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:05:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart Message-ID: <20050423.190530.1572.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332 755&rd=1 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Apr 23 20:37:40 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:37:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <426B1484.6040402@wightman.ca> Oh my. I will now drool uncontrolabley............ That is nice. Reg! What do you think of that?? Duncna Rob Skinner wrote: >Luke, >Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > &item=6172135601 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 23 19:38:18 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:38:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050423175743.02867ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c54876$b389cae0$230110ac@PAUL> Interesting pictures Larry, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view > Hi...... > > Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent > pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on > something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as > I took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little interest. > Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing at shows I > took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, rope > fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Apr 23 20:37:22 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:37:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists References: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <426B1484.6040402@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <010401c5487e$f1f93f10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> MUCH too nice to actually use!! Something like that deserves a prominent place in a major museum. Nothing less would be an insult to it and its long dead maker. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists > Oh my. I will now drool uncontrolabley............ > That is nice. > Reg! What do you think of that?? > > Duncna > > Rob Skinner wrote: > >>Luke, Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem >> >>&item=6172135601 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weolson at wiktel.com Sat Apr 23 21:34:53 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:34:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: References: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426B21ED.6060808@wiktel.com> I have a 7.3 Powerstroke Diesel in my Ford up here in Northern Minnesota and it starts fine in the cold, -30 to -40 degree temps in the winter under the following conditions: The fuel up here is a blend of number 1 and number 2 diesel in the winter. Or some places you can buy straight #1. Number 2 will gel up in the cold weather, but it is used in the summer months. I also have a engine block heater which is plugged in for several hours prior to starting. I also let it warm up for 10 minutes in the morning before putting it under load on the road. Power Service makes a diesel additive which will keep #2 diesel from gelling up in the cold weather, as well as another additive to keep the injectors clean and help to lessen the gel problem. William Olson John Culp wrote: > Isn't any "Premium Diesel" sold around here. > > John > > On Apr 23, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > >> Hey John, >> That is what Premiun Diesel is for. >> Run it in the cold weather. >> I have been told there is something in the Premiun Diesel that keeps >> it from getting so stiff in >> the cold. > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 21:59:42 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 05:59:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: <426B21ED.6060808@wiktel.com> References: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <426B21ED.6060808@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050423215922f74aa9@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, William Olson wrote: > I have a 7.3 Powerstroke Diesel in my Ford up here in Northern Minnesota > and it starts fine in the cold, -30 to -40 degree temps in the winter > under the following conditions: The fuel up here is a blend of number 1 > and number 2 diesel in the winter. Or some places you can buy straight > #1. Number 2 will gel up in the cold weather, but it is used in the > summer months. I also have a engine block heater which is plugged in > for several hours prior to starting. I also let it warm up for 10 > minutes in the morning before putting it under load on the road. Power > Service makes a diesel additive which will keep #2 diesel from gelling > up in the cold weather, as well as another additive to keep the > injectors clean and help to lessen the gel problem. > William Olson When we used to run over to sweden with new truck chassis for building gensets onto, we had a couple of trips in -25 deg C (-13 F) and the garages used to sell an addative for the fuel which was basically White Spirit, a refined paraffin. Winter diesel over there already had it in, but the truckers used to put extra in if they were going north to the Arctic Circle. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Apr 23 22:22:15 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:22:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <20050423.190530.1572.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050423.190530.1572.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <426B2D07.8000706@fidnet.com> Ron, Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. Gary rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332 > 755&rd=1 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 23 22:59:23 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:59:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show Message-ID: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 23:30:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:30:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan Hi Jim: I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, but relatively rare in the UK. English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 24 00:56:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:56:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c548a3$19b0bf50$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of > > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the > > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete > > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd > > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the > > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > > Hi Jim: > I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my > initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster > construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, > but relatively rare in the UK. > English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details > on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a > particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US > engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it > wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. > Peter Hi Peter, I think this is an English Trusty. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/329399260grakvQ Thse Engine was made by Weyman & Hitchcock in Cheltenham. I think most of their engines were horizontal. ISTR that one of our Aussie members soaking a Trusty in a rust removal bath a couple of years ago. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 24 01:19:26 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:19:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> 239812460 Message-ID: <088401c548a6$58d3e560$0201010a@Portable> Our club here in Perth has a Trusty which apparently is one of only three of its type left. Its a horizontal engine and I was fortunate to carry out line boring the crank bearing bores and making new gun metal crank bearings. Trusty is mentioned in the A to Z of English engines and I forget whether they made any vertical engines. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > > >> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine >> > of >> > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some >> > of the >> > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more >> > complete >> > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups >> > , I'd >> > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the >> > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan >> > Jim O'Hagan >> >> Hi Jim: >> I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my >> initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster >> construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, >> but relatively rare in the UK. >> English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details >> on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a >> particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US >> engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it >> wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. >> Peter > > Hi Peter, I think this is an English Trusty. > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/329399260grakvQ > Thse Engine was made by Weyman & Hitchcock in Cheltenham. > I think most of their engines were horizontal. > ISTR that one of our Aussie members soaking a Trusty in a rust removal > bath > a couple of years ago. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 24 04:58:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:58:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c548a3$19b0bf50$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hello Dave .. Yes definately an English engine and quite rare. If you can get hold of a copy of TOMMS 100th edition there is an article that i wrote about our clubs Trusty. It took us something like three years from the time that i found it in an old drive in theatre in the mid west of Western Australia and it is still being restored . We recieved great help from Tim Maicare ,Richard Amos and Roland Craven [ who seems to have vanished] and Bill Young in Tokyo and Chris Maddely. There are two other engines like ours ,Tim Maicare has one in the UK , there is another in the Tokyo Science Museum.....Bill Young sent us some very helpful photos. Andy Self in South Africa has a Clayton Shuttle worth engine ,this is a version made after the take over of the original makers. The first engine was made in 1887 by Mr J.H.Knight in Farnham ,Surry ,UK. By 1894 the firm was taken over by the Shillingford Engineering . I believe the Timms Brothers have a couple of Clayton Shuttle worth versions . I tried to contact them for some information on their engines....never had a reply. [ These brothers seem to operate in a veil of secrecy]. Our engine,number 689 is an interesting continuous lamp type .It has a sideshaft driven air pump to blow across the lamp flame to the hot tube. A fuel pump is activated by demand by the pendulum governor. The ''Four Poster'' model is something else ....very desirable . Very little history on these engines . I did collect quite a bit but have since handed it on as i have left the city and no longer have any part in the restoration. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > > >> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine >> > of >> > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some >> > of the >> > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more >> > complete >> > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups >> > , I'd >> > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the >> > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan >> > Jim O'Hagan >> >> Hi Jim: >> I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my >> initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster >> construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, >> but relatively rare in the UK. >> English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details >> on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a >> particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US >> engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it >> wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. >> Peter > > Hi Peter, I think this is an English Trusty. > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/329399260grakvQ > Thse Engine was made by Weyman & Hitchcock in Cheltenham. > I think most of their engines were horizontal. > ISTR that one of our Aussie members soaking a Trusty in a rust removal > bath > a couple of years ago. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 24 05:07:39 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:07:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine References: <20050423075813.90042.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c548c6$39f1f590$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks David ........I am searching for a friend , he has built a steam boat ,compound engine . Now wants more speed . In the mean time the hot air powered gramophone is on the drawing board Thanks again... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine > Hi Peter > > Go to www.camdenmin.co.uk > > They have a book called "The Tesla Disc Turbine" by Cairns. Price ?5.90 > + postage > > Hope this helps. > > Regardsd > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > > --- peter ogborne wrote: >> Does any one have any information on the Tessler Steam Turbine? >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 24 05:54:59 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:54:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/2005 3:46:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << The tank in mine has rounded corners and is not even being used. Want to get it back to stock. >> Ron, I will see if I can get some dimensions off mine today. It is mounted on a drop frame cart and not sure I can get all the dimensions, but I will see. Some where I have the web site of a man who made some and sells repro filler spouts of the 7 Economy. I purchased one several years ago and very pleased with the workmanship. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 24 06:26:10 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:26:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view Message-ID: <11.43edaf5e.2f9cf872@aol.com> In a message dated 4/23/2005 9:45:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: << I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. >> Larry, Interesting to see the different ideas folks come up with. The use of the yellow electric fence insulator is the simplest one of all. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Apr 24 07:10:05 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:10:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050423175743.02867ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050424070944.00c39c58@mail.earthlink.net> Neat!! Bob Holtzer At 06:04 PM 4/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi...... > >Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent >pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on >something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as >I took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little >interest. Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing >at shows I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, >rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. > >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/ > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 24 08:11:10 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:11:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Preservation Opportunity? Weirton's Tod Engine! Message-ID: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> I have recently discovered that the 42" x 66" x 60" twin tandem compound reversing blooming mill engine at Weirton Steel (now Mittal Steel) is still in existance in the plant. I photographed this engine on October 27, 1997. Let me first say that this engine is big, and if I say its big then you can be assured that its massive to anyone else!! Our Tod engine weighs about 260 tons and is about 27' x 47'. This engine weighs over 500 tons and is about 30' x 60' in size. This engine is historically significant because it is the last engine built at the William Tod plant. William Tod Co. was purchased in 1916 by United Engineering and Foundry and United continued to build engines until 1921 when this engine was built and shipped. It represents the apex of blooming mill engine design and incorporated several novel features and a slightly different design than previous Tod Twin tandem compound reversing engines. I will attempt to contact the plant management to determine their level of interest in preserving this engine, either in whole or in part. I don't know what options the steel plant might be willing to consider. The best scenario would be for the company to commit to leave it in place for the forseeable future. Obviously leaving it in situ would be the best solution, but its in the middle of their plant sandwiched between the blooming mill and open hearth buildings. Removal of the entire engine would be doable and within the capabilities of the Tod Engine Foundation but would require the financial backing of the steel plant or another donor to make it happen. The third option would be the salvage of certain parts for display at the Tod Engine Heritage Park in Youngstown. Such parts might include cylinders, connecting rods and valve gear. This is an exciting opportunity to perhaps preserve what would no doubt be the largest stationary steam engine in North America. I have posted photos of my visit to this engine on October 27, 1997 and a couple of other photos to our webshots album at http://community.webshots.com/album/329486197RnPbjB I'll keep everyone posted on any developments. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Apr 24 17:14:59 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:14:59 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby logo Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050424171459.009add60@127.0.0.1> Hello The List, A few weeks ago list members helped me by finding the Massey Harris Logo. Thanks again. This time I am looking for a good clean copy the Ruston & Hornsby "RH" Logo. It is the one that has the "R" and "H" letters intertwined with each other and appeared on the castings of some Rustons. An example can be seen here < www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rhlogo.htm > I scanned this one from a parts drawing in one of the Ruston manuals and then redrew it but the original was less than 10mm (3/8") in diameter and not very distinct. I am not too happy with the result and am hoping someone has a better original for me to copy. Many thanks in advance. Jerry Evans Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Apr 24 08:14:13 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:14:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c548a3$19b0bf50$fa4c1152@no1> <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: In message <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb at ogborneuah38i3>, peter ogborne writes >We recieved great help from Tim Maicare >,Richard Amos and Roland Craven [ who seems to have vanished] Roland Craven was alive and well last time I saw him, about four weeks ago, and is still posting to the uk.rec.engines.stationary newsgroup, where there was a reported sighting of him at Enstone bring-and-buy on Saturday 23 April 05. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 24 08:29:53 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:29:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank References: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c548e2$770bd4c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> 8" wide x 15" long x 6" deep is the one John Wanat made for my 5 hp Economy. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank > Hi all. > I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know the > correct dimensions? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paul at semidiesel.com Sun Apr 24 08:57:46 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:57:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ogborne writes > Roland Craven [ who seems to have vanished] On the left of the pic http://www.internalfire.com/albums/album38/phall2.sized.jpg whilst running the National gas engine at the Museum's Easter Rally, looking suitably worried at the rattles :-) http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50&mode=&order=0&thold=0 Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/05 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 24 09:18:33 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:18:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank References: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> <000701c548e2$770bd4c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Ron, go here and hit fwd. to see some pix's and measurements of the one that came off my 5hp. Maybe you can plug them into an equation and get them right for your's. John W. also built my new one and he put a vent in the top. These buggers are a PITA to fill without the vent as the gas burbles back when one pours too fast. http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/55434509qRIkJu Hope this helps! RickinMt. PS: this is for the one with the filler on the off side. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy gas tank > 8" wide x 15" long x 6" deep is the one John Wanat made for my 5 hp > Economy. > > Mike Royster > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:53 PM > Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank > > > > Hi all. > > I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know > > the > > correct dimensions? Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 09:30:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:30:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preservation Opportunity? Weirton's Tod Engine! In-Reply-To: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f60251605042409302d17f474@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Tod Engine wrote: > I have recently discovered that the 42" x 66" x 60" twin tandem compound >reversing blooming mill engine at Weirton Steel (now Mittal Steel) is still in >existance in the plant. > I'll keep everyone posted on any developments. > > Rick Rowlands Mittal (the person) who owns the steel comapnies is based in the UK, I'll try and find a contact address for him. he would be a good start. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 09:44:29 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:44:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050424.094430.1488.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Tom. I got a repo filler from Ray Gardner in Oregon, looks nice. I am going to make a tank, it might as well be the correct size. The height is probably from the supporting straps to just enough to get the filler at the top. Width, just enough to fit inside the base. Length might not be so obvious, just long enough to catch the two supports on the bottom. It uses so little fuel that a large capacity is not needed. Thanks again. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > Ron, > > I will see if I can get some dimensions off mine today. It is > mounted on a > drop frame cart and not sure I can get all the dimensions, but I > will see. > Some where I have the web site of a man who made some and sells > repro filler > spouts of the 7 Economy. I purchased one several years ago and very > pleased with > the workmanship. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 10:15:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:15:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050424.101530.1488.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Mike. The 7 hp is a little larger. Tom came through with the measurements for it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:29:53 -0400 "Mike Royster" writes: > 8" wide x 15" long x 6" deep is the one John Wanat made for my 5 hp > Economy. > > Mike Royster From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 10:17:18 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:17:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050424.101718.1488.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Rick. The vent is an excellent idea. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 24 10:24:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:24:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <1c7.273541fc.2f9d3058@aol.com> In a message dated 4/24/2005 1:13:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << The height is probably from the supporting straps to just enough to get the filler at the to >> Ron, The height is just to the underside of the casting. It is a tight fit when sitting on the straps and bumps the casting on top. Maybe to help stabilize it in the housing? You are correct in that it takes a long time to use the fuel. I think I ran mine for three days at Kinsers (Lancaster, Pa.) before I ran out one time. I usually run my engines all day. Tom From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 24 10:47:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:47:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank In-Reply-To: <1c7.273541fc.2f9d3058@aol.com> References: <1c7.273541fc.2f9d3058@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050424134530.026a2fa0@mail.alltel.net> >You are correct in that it takes a long time to use the >fuel. I think I ran mine for three days at Kinsers (Lancaster, Pa.) >before I ran >out one time. I usually run my engines all day. >Tom I get about 8-10 hours on a gallon of gasoline running my 16 HP Galloway at an idle at a show. Dave From nick at holden1.net Sun Apr 24 11:12:30 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:12:30 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Using Adobe photoshop 8 for drawing Engine transfers (Decalsin US) References: <000d01c54836$c8a41ec0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <426BE18E.000001.00716@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Dave try this Avery Design pro it will bend the text all the way round very easy to use hope this helps http://www.avery.com/uk1/home/home.jsp Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Dave Croft Date: 04/23/05 20:20:10 To: atis Cc: oldengine Subject: [SEL] Using Adobe photoshop 8 for drawing Engine transfers (Decalsin US) In the past when I have been cleaning up engine decals for people using Adobe photoshop the hardest part has been bending the writing round the decal. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/328885515zvjTRy for one I did earlier. 8^) I have just discovered that the CS version lets you bend text but using the methods are not the easiest things to learn. Is anyone else trying to learn this so we can discuss ways & help each other? Dave Croft Warrington England davecroft at nospammershere.co.uk This does work! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 From gwaugh at wowway.com Sun Apr 24 11:41:19 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:41:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cute little lathe In-Reply-To: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <200504241841.j3OIfH514027@pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Ebay Item No: 8186156988 Cute little thang! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 24 11:52:11 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:52:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank In-Reply-To: <20050424.094430.1488.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200504241852.j3OIqH5D045050@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I got a repo filler from Ray Gardner in Oregon, looks nice. > I am going to make a tank, it might as well be the correct size. Hi Ron, Here's a couple observations from using a repro tank that was purchased from one of the big parts suppliers. I don't know if it was supposed to be an "exact" reproduction or not. First, it didnt' come with a breather. Pouring gas into an unvented tank is downright silly. Secondly the material was flimsy. The fill-spout pipe is several inches long and unsupported. There is potential for problems. Third, a solder joint for one of the fittings was faulty. It wasn't evident for a couple years, but it eventually broke off. The problem was probably exacerbated by the flimsy material. The tank isn't readily accessible once the engine is mounted on a cart, so it's gotta be perfect. I guess my point is, it's good you're building it yourself. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 16:07:31 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If ya go fer it Gary,,, Watch this guy. Take a look at his "Other Items." Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) Alan Bowen --- Gary Epps wrote: > Ron, > > Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. > > Gary > > rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 24 16:14:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:14:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby logo References: <3.0.6.32.20050424171459.009add60@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <002701c54923$658dc500$699881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Try Ray Hooley . Give Google a go ,Ray is the register of the R&H archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby logo > Hello The List, > A few weeks ago list members helped me by finding the Massey Harris Logo. > Thanks again. > > This time I am looking for a good clean copy the Ruston & Hornsby "RH" > Logo. It is the one that has the "R" and "H" letters intertwined with each > other and appeared on the castings of some Rustons. > > An example can be seen here < www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rhlogo.htm > > > I scanned this one from a parts drawing in one of the Ruston manuals and > then redrew it but the original was less than 10mm (3/8") in diameter and > not very distinct. I am not too happy with the result and am hoping > someone has a better original for me to copy. > > Many thanks in advance. > Jerry Evans > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery > Alternative ! > We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack > / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition > Loss > (FDISK). > We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. > Visit our site: > http://www.databak.co.za > Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 > Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 > eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za > Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 24 16:40:39 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:40:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do I. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine cart > If ya go fer it Gary,,, > Watch this guy. > Take a look at his "Other Items." > Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) > > Alan Bowen > > --- Gary Epps wrote: >> Ron, >> >> Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >> >> Gary >> >> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >> > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 >> > >> > Ron Haskell >> > rdhaskell at juno.com >> > Riverside, California >> > USA >> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 16:47:07 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050424234707.62478.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Larry, I can just imagine the looks you got taking those pictures. It is a good supply of idea for our group though. Thank you!! What is he pounding the stakes into on this photo? http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake01t.jpg I like the hookup best in this photo, but for cost I would use rerod. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake05t.jpg Like this guy did,, http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake12t.jpg At our local show,, Buckley, Michigan, the club puts up a single rope. I cut the rope and tie an end to one of my canopy poles and the other end to a post to make an entry area. Last year for the first time I saw the guy in charge of the engine area (John) walking around and putting ropes back up. He didn't say anything to me about my opening and when a guy told him he had his rope down so he could come and go without stepping over it John went and got another stake and made him an opening like mine. 8>)) At the meeting before the show they said the insurance guy would be walking around during the show. I guess that is why John wanted the ropes to stay up. I didn't really like the ropes at all until two years ago I had a kid that just wouldn't listen trying play with a running engine. He wouldn't mind his parents even. I had to take the kid in hand myself and walk him back through the gate. This kid was about 12-13 years old, but acting more like a 6 year old on way too much sugar. Alan Bowen --- Larry Evans wrote: > Hi...... > > Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent > pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on > something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as I > took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little > interest. Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing > at shows I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, > rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. > Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Apr 24 19:11:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <426C51B9.9010108@wightman.ca> Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. Duncan Tod Engine wrote: > Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do I. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine cart > > >> If ya go fer it Gary,,, >> Watch this guy. >> Take a look at his "Other Items." >> Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) >> >> Alan Bowen >> >> --- Gary Epps wrote: >> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >>> > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >>> > >>> > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 >> >> >>> > >>> > Ron Haskell >>> > rdhaskell at juno.com >>> > Riverside, California >>> > USA >>> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>> at a leisurely pace. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 24 18:24:49 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:24:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view In-Reply-To: <20050424234707.62478.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050424234707.62478.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050424182158.02913088@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 04:47 PM 4/24/2005, you wrote: >Hi Larry, > >I can just imagine the looks you got taking those pictures. It is a good >supply of idea for our >group though. >Thank you!! > >What is he pounding the stakes into on this photo? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake01t.jpg Just some very hard packed dirt. >I like the hookup best in this photo, but for cost I would use rerod. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake05t.jpg I suspect you really meant this picture. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake09.html >Like this guy did,, >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake12t.jpg Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 23 17:15:59 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:15:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: <7c5751258e511bd346d3f7168ef6de41@chartertn.net> References: <7c5751258e511bd346d3f7168ef6de41@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <426AE53F.5070606@optusnet.com.au> In the power houses, we used just one or two drops in a 500 hp diesel, air-start, no glow plugs. Holding a piece of burning or smouldering rag or paper near the air intake so it sucks in the smoke also works. JW?? ======== John Culp wrote: > > BTW, if you've got AC power available, a big hair dryer pointed into > the intake is a big help with starting a cold Diesel. > > John From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 19:41:43 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:41:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042419415a12dd34@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan Hi again, Jim: Seems that you have had some useful responses on the Trusty, hopefully that will help get the engine sorted out. Something stuck in the back of my mind on this name, and I spent a while looking through the back issues of Stationary Engine magazine until I found it. In the July 1995 issue, David Edgington says in relation to the Felix engine "The Felix engine is like the Trusty, it's easier to list those who 'didn't' make one! " -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 20:20:55 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:20:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preservation Opportunity? Weirton's Tod Engine! In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042409302d17f474@mail.gmail.com> References: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f60251605042409302d17f474@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050424202051ecdb5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 4/24/05, Tod Engine wrote: > > I have recently discovered that the 42" x 66" x 60" twin tandem compound >reversing blooming mill engine at Weirton Steel (now Mittal Steel) is still in >existance in the plant. > > > > > I'll keep everyone posted on any developments. > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Mittal (the person) who owns the steel comapnies is based in the UK, > I'll try and find a contact address for him. he would be a good start. > > Peter Hi Rick: I have emailed the company HQ in London, it is based in the UK and the Netherlands. I have explained the position re the engine and asked if we could have a contact name etc to start some dialogue. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 20:23:48 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:23:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart Message-ID: <20050424.202348.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> That is a fan shaft and support for the D. The bevel gear drives off the governor, and the fan goes on the other end. D's were thermo-syphon, no water pump. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0500 Duncan Denman writes: > Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. > > Duncan > > > Tod Engine wrote: > > > Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do > I. > > > > Rick From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Apr 24 20:36:02 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:36:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426C65A2.2000204@fidnet.com> He is certainly not very precise in his descriptions is he? Gary Alan Bowen wrote: > If ya go fer it Gary,,, > Watch this guy. > Take a look at his "Other Items." > Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) > > Alan Bowen > > --- Gary Epps wrote: > >>Ron, >> >>Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >> >>Gary >> >>rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >> >>>Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >>> >>> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 > >>>Ron Haskell >>>rdhaskell at juno.com >>>Riverside, California >>>USA >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>-- >>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>at a leisurely pace. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Apr 24 20:51:46 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:51:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <426C51B9.9010108@wightman.ca> References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> <426C51B9.9010108@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <426C6952.70807@fidnet.com> I would have thought it is an upper water pipe for a D. Maybe a water pump for a thermo syphon cooling system looks different. :) Gary Duncan Denman wrote: > Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. > > Duncan > > > Tod Engine wrote: > >> Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do I. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine cart >> >> >>> If ya go fer it Gary,,, >>> Watch this guy. >>> Take a look at his "Other Items." >>> Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) >>> >>> Alan Bowen >>> >>> --- Gary Epps wrote: >>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >>>> > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 >>> >>> >>>> > >>>> > Ron Haskell >>>> > rdhaskell at juno.com >>>> > Riverside, California >>>> > USA >>>> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SEL mailing list >>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>>> at a leisurely pace. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Apr 24 23:44:38 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> <426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <426C91D6.80905@steamengine.com.au> That was the year of the Aussie Invasion when the show committee gave us the light for Hawaii since no-one from that state was there and it was nearest to Australia :) One of those outstanding ironies, without talking about it before hand we all turned up in driz-a-bone coats and typical bush hats - it would not have worked if we planned it! Paul Gary Epps wrote: > I figured that was the case, and you said it much more succinctly than I > did. > > Yes, we plan to be at Portland. It's been too long since I've been > there. The last time I was there Reg and Peter & Kaye were there and > maybe Paul P. At any rate it has been a long time. > > Gary > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 25 00:10:47 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:10:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz References: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Now I am confused.I went to put some square nuts on today and they were chamfered on both sides.So then I decided to use some hex nuts instead and dam they were also chamfered on both sides .What do I do now I am so confused I can't stand it!It would seem that I will be right and wrong at the same time if I use them. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:40 Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > > > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that > > on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the > > rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. > > > Hi Square Nutz! > Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method > of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 25 00:14:46 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:14:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy References: <200504210609.j3L69Juq059060@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <004301c54966$76e15d60$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Patrick that is beautiful. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:09 Subject: RE: [SEL] A New Toy > I gave the little engine a good clean up last night. I also unstuck the > rings and found an intake valve spring for it. It now has good compression. > After a lot of careful cleaning with kero and a paintbrush I oiled it up and > it looks very nice. A lot of original paint and lining :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html > New pics at the bottom of the page. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ruston at orc.ca Mon Apr 25 02:11:55 2005 From: ruston at orc.ca (Pat Ruston) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 05:11:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com><426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> <426C91D6.80905@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002701c54976$d426d350$0200000a@patruston> Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water appeared to be in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, there is some scale build up in water hopper, thanks for any and all replies. Pat Ruston St. Pauls Station Ontario, Canada ruston at orc.ca From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 04:35:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:35:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> References: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6f60251605042504354591054f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/25/05, edd payne wrote: > Now I am confused.I went to put some square nuts on today and they were > chamfered on both sides.So then I decided to use some hex nuts instead and > dam they were also chamfered on both sides .What do I do now I am so > confused I can't stand it!It would seem that I will be right and wrong at > the same time if I use them. > EDD PAYNE It is a matter of age as much as anything. Square nuts with a chamfer on one side only were used where the whole assembly was painted over after assembly. The second chamfer or a washer was added for those items which were pre-painted and the unchamfered side would tear the paint surface. We can still buy square nuts with single chamfer, even in Metric threads if we want them, and the old Coach Bolts are still available. Our local nut & bolt supplier has excellent contacts for some of this stuff. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 25 05:21:10 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:21:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Message-ID: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, playing engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, motorbikes and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ Holden Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain down there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the photos). The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. Some pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 25 05:51:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:51:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules straight frame cart Message-ID: <97.5e2fa6f2.2f9e41dd@aol.com> In a message dated 4/23/2005 5:43:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtucker at uky.edu writes: << I'm looking for a Hercules straight frame cart for a 5 hp engine >> Mike, I sent you an email with photos off list. Did you receive it? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 25 05:57:43 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:57:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally References: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001701c54996$600835c0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Well done as usual mate. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:21 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally > A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, playing > engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, motorbikes > and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' > engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I > helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ Holden > Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for > the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain down > there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the photos). > The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was > plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. > Some pictures at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 25 08:28:02 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator..connecting leads to carbonbrushes Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri, USA Ron, After reading that description, I'm sure glad I don't need to attach the wires to the carbon brushes! Luckily, the bushes fit in a hold and are secured with a simple thumb screw. I also do a lot of reading in the throne room and have a handy drawer full of misc books and magazines ;-) George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 25 10:30:39 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:30:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D In-Reply-To: <002701c54976$d426d350$0200000a@patruston> Message-ID: <200504251730.j3PHUgZq043472@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water appeared > to be in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, > there is some scale build up in Perfectly normal on that engine, especially when running at full speed. At low speed, and no load, it will still boil a little bit. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 25 11:05:34 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:05:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator..connecting leads to carbonbrushes Message-ID: <1e8.39e5e964.2f9e8b6e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:45:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: Ron, After reading that description, I'm sure glad I don't need to attach the wires to the carbon brushes! Luckily, the bushes fit in a hold and are secured with a simple thumb screw. I also do a lot of reading in the throne room and have a handy drawer full of misc books and magazines ;-) George Hi George, I, too, am glad I don't have to make up any mercury copper amalgam. It looks like a tedious process but I am glad to know it could be done in the home shop. When we had Western Auto stores in abundance, and I needed brushes, I could go through their stock of brushes and either find the exact brush I wanted, or, one slightly larger. If larger I would lay out a sheet of sandpaper on a flat surface, and with figure 8 motion, reduce the brush to fit. Western Auto at that time provide soft graphite or carbon brushes which were used in auto generators, and, harder brushes that looked like a mix of carbon and copper. I suspect they were a mix of the mercury copper amalgam as described in the old book. The harder brushes were used in starter motors and had to carry a stronger current. As you are no doubt aware, higher voltage DC can hurt you more than the same voltage in AC. Your generator sounds like a fun project and I hope to see it once you get it going. Do you remember seeing pictures of an engine show in Australia several years back where the exhibitors had, for the most part, brought lighting generators and lights? They ran the show into the evening and early dark hours, lighting the grounds with the generators on display. It was a really pretty picture and reminded me of, as a boy, going to the small carnivals that would set up in a farmer's hay field and had to provide all their own power. I think I was as impressed with the engines and generators as the rides so my iron fever affliction was early onset. :>) Regards, Ron From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 25 11:07:11 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:07:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling hopper? Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides cooling the engine. George > -----Original Message----- > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > appeared to be > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, From nick at holden1.net Mon Apr 25 11:58:05 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <426D3DBD.000004.01604@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi George yes i tried hard boiling eggs once in the hopper of a lister B i had it took ages ok if you put them in early when i tried it took around 50 min's to cook it would be ok i think if the engine was working hard to get the water really hot not just looking hot Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Best, George Date: 04/25/05 19:26:16 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling hopper? Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides cooling the engine. George > -----Original Message----- > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > appeared to be > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 25 12:23:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:23:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <000e01c549cc$4090bab0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi George, it's very normal here in Holland to cook something while running the engine at shows. Favorites are eggs, can soup, can hot dogs, smoked sausages and even cut and dried food. Another use for the hot water is washing your dirty hands with lots of grease and carbon. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling > hopper? > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. > > George From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 25 12:30:02 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:30:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2005 2:49:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides cooling the engine >> Hot dogs in a plastic bag! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 25 12:39:26 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:39:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. Message-ID: This is my latest project. It is a 4ft diameter x 1 3/4 thick(2 layers) wooden wheel that goes on the church bell for the rope to go around and ring the bell. I guess the bell weighs over 1000lbs. The old one rotted out after 40-50 years. I have built it out of cypress and waterproof expanding polyurethane glue. In photo 6 you can see the glue still coming out in the rope groove. After drying, I will scrape off extra glue, stain, and then paint two coats. We took two bottle jacks and some timbers and climbed up thru the steeple, jacked up one side of the bell slightly and removed the cast legs from one side of bell and removed the old wheel. To fit and cut all the pieces I made a full scale template on masonite. If I had not done this, I could not figure any other way to cut the ends of the outer rim radiused pieces to butt together perfectly. The inner hub is cast steel which adapts the wheel to the bell axle. It has been a fun project. Should last longer than me! http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel1 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel2 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel3 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel4 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel5 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel6 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Apr 25 13:20:16 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <426D3DBD.000004.01604@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <001101c549d4$31bea800$152ea8c0@shuttle> Hard boiled eggs arent bad but the darn oil taste takes getting used to..Never did try boiling a chicken in a hopper engine I guess it woud take a oil field size or a small chicken... Don where there is water evrywhere Think Spring From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 25 13:53:28 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:53:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > John Hammink > Another use for the hot water is washing your dirty hands > with lots of grease and carbon. John, I've done that a few time myself. Of course it helps if the hopper water is just warm. This summer I'll be at a show at the Oregon coast. It's in an area were there are a lot of Dungeness crabs. Wouldn't it make an interesting display to have a tank full of live crabs and during the day toss a live crab into the boiling water in an engine hopper! You could probably fool some spectators into thinking you've got an antique gas powered crab cooker! ;-) George From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Apr 25 14:17:20 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:17:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <426D5E60.4477BD19@insulate.co.uk> Hi John and George, Tank cooled engines are best for hand washing: http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/1000eng/handwashing.jpg For detailed instructions for cooking eggs in a hopper, try the SEL cookbook: http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm Here's Dave Croft cooking black pudding in the hopper of his Danish Uller engine at Astle Park, 2000 http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg and here is the black pudding being enjoyed by Philip Thornton Evison, Dave Croft and Arnie. Finally, here's a pic of Arnie's Lorenz, complete with Boston lobster in the cooling tank: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland2001/show/lor+dom.jpg Dolly > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 14:35:43 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:35:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. Message-ID: <20.439ad14a.2f9ebcaf@aol.com> Hi Tom, Nice work ! You look real proud, and you should be !! Now I know who to call when I need some custom woodwork done ;o) See ya next month at the show. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Apr 25 14:44:51 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: Message-ID: <001301c549e0$051c7460$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Rob.Steve and Richard: Today I tried the bluing and the Dry molly , the blueing did a good job but after trying the dry molly I think I will go with that as it looks good and it lubes at the same time, If I find some of the stove polish I will experiment with it also, got all the parts needed ordered today from Norm at Hit & Miss, they have everything I need from cam gears to oversize valves , thanks for the Help Rex If it aint broke ,,,, Break it !!! Then you'll have a project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > Hi Steve; > This subject came up several years ago and what I use is Dry Spray Moly in > a rattle can. It seems to protect against rust yet lubricates, and can be > somewhat polished up. I usually spray it on a warm surface and let it dry > for several hours before rubbing it with a soft cloth. It will not rub off > on you when polished and seems resistent to gas and oils used with the old > engines, and can be removed with some of the stronger solvents. > > I've used it on valve stems, gears, pushrods, and various other places. > Her's some pix's of it on the sawrig: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200715640wmGDeW > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200716731qKKXTa > > here's some I used on Eco > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76455331imPOHM > > > Some people would like to try this on their squeaky trailer hitch balls and > avoid the greasy mess. > > The bad news...I no longer know where to get it, but Spudhead is doing > some research with the old work. > > "Works for me" > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:00 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > > Stove polish looks nice also! Steve > > > > >From: "Rex Hinz" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: > > >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > > > > > >Hi All; > > > > > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of > > >the > > >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , > > >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted > > >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to > > >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium > > >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright > > >shinny > > >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint > > >them, > > >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast > > >iron > > >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , > > >anybody > > >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a > > >thread > > >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > > > > > >Rex Hinz > > > > > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 25 14:50:18 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:50:18 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <426D5E60.4477BD19@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000901c549e0$c90afe50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Helen, I miss that picture of Philip Tornon Evidence eating the hopper cooked Black Pudding together with Dave and Arnie. I like the twin washing demo the best :o) John H. > Hi John and George, > > Tank cooled engines are best for hand washing: > http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/1000eng/handwashing.jpg > > For detailed instructions for cooking eggs in a hopper, try the SEL > cookbook: > http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm > > Here's Dave Croft cooking black pudding in the hopper of his Danish Uller > engine at Astle Park, 2000 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg > and here is the black pudding being enjoyed by Philip Thornton Evison, Dave > Croft and Arnie. > > Finally, here's a pic of Arnie's Lorenz, complete with Boston lobster in > the cooling tank: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland2001/show/lor+dom.jpg > > Dolly > > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 25 14:54:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:54:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <001301c549e1$68fa98d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> George when you take care for some fresh water in the tank without oil, it could be a delicious engine play. John H. > > You could probably fool some spectators into thinking you've got an > antique gas powered crab cooker! ;-) > > George From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Apr 26 00:55:22 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:55:22 Subject: [SEL] Gerald Buitendach's Engine Day Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050426005522.009bfd20@127.0.0.1> Hi Everybody, The first pics are up on my website of Geralds Engineday that was held on Saturday. Follow the link halfway down the page. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 25 08:31:03 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:39:03 +0108 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: <2.1.1-221334-377-A-OEWW@mail.scrtc.com> nick wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) > From: "nick" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hopper cooking > > George, > > I remember David Craycraft of Winchester, Ky and the 2 hp Hagan that > he used to show. At about 7:00 am he would fire it up and get it > boiling. He would then place a towel in it and use it to shave. I'd > seen him boil eggs in it before also. I don't know if they had a > little shaving creme on them or not (I never ate any when he offered) > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > Hi George > > yes i tried hard boiling eggs once in the hopper of a lister B > i had > . From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 25 16:09:57 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:09:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Apr 25 16:30:49 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:30:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz References: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003001c549ee$d2112430$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Edd i had a simlar prob today i went to the hardware shop to get some square nuts they where also chamferd both sides so now i dont know what im gunna do i m very destrested with this matter . Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > Now I am confused.I went to put some square nuts on today and they were > chamfered on both sides.So then I decided to use some hex nuts instead and > dam they were also chamfered on both sides .What do I do now I am so > confused I can't stand it!It would seem that I will be right and wrong at > the same time if I use them. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:40 > Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > > >> >> > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that >> > on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the >> > rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. >> >> >> Hi Square Nutz! >> Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method >> of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Apr 25 16:45:30 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050425184412.053f1e40@mail.herculesengines.com> At one of the shows one of the ofes members put about 50 hot dogs in a plastic bag and stuck it in his Reid's water tank. At noon we all had lunch. Keith At 01:07 PM 4/25/2005, you wrote: >Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling >hopper? >Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > >Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides >cooling the engine. > >George > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > > appeared to be > > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 25 17:14:22 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:14:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: <20050425.204133.252.4.jlb94@juno.com> My Favorite - - - Chef Boyardee Ravioli And - Sometimes - Spaghetti-o's In my Witte - With the water boiling - Hard boiled eggs could be possible - but - Would you want to eat it after boiling in that oily water ?. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 25 17:57:04 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:57:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. Message-ID: <20050425.210618.252.6.jlb94@juno.com> Nice job Tom, Lots of work there. Don't forget to get a little plaque made and attach it on the wheel or somewhere telling who made it - and when. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 25 18:33:27 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:33:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <426D9A67.10901@optusnet.com.au> R & M Ingold wrote: > Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! ========= Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? JW ========= From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:22:53 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (dnicolson40 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical Message-ID: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Hello! David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= Here is a message describing the photos: Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. Thanks in advance Dave in oz You can also create your own photo album to share with family and friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html AOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser. Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of Epson PhotoCenter: - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TM http://photo.epson.com/ Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 25 20:22:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:22:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426DB3DA.5080006@wightman.ca> My Dad has cooked an egg in the hopper of his International LB. Want to do this in an engine which does not have any oil getting into the hopper I would think. Duncan Best, George wrote: >Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling >hopper? >Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > >Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides >cooling the engine. > >George > > > >>-----Original Message----- >> >> >>>Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. >>>912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water >>> >>> >>appeared to be >> >> >>>in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 25 19:35:11 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:35:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <200504260235.j3Q2Z79Q061507@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Dave, Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. Thanks in advance Dave in oz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 25 19:35:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:35:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: Beenie Weenie's George..don't get no better. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking > Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling > hopper? > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > > appeared to be > > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 25 20:38:15 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:38:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <20050424.202348.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050424.202348.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <426DB7A7.40900@wightman.ca> Yep. Same as my unstyled AR Duncan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >That is a fan shaft and support for the D. The bevel gear drives off the >governor, and the fan goes on the other end. >D's were thermo-syphon, no water pump. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0500 Duncan Denman >writes: > > >>Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. >> >>Duncan >> >> >>Tod Engine wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do >>> >>> >>I. >> >> >>>Rick >>> >>> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 25 19:41:48 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:41:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: <001301c549e0$051c7460$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: So Rex..where'd ya get the dry moly spray? We're out TIA Rickinmt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > Thanks Rob.Steve and Richard: > > Today I tried the bluing and the Dry molly , the blueing did a good > job but after trying the dry molly I think I will go with that as it looks > good and it lubes at the same time, If I find some of the stove polish I > will experiment with it also, got all the parts needed ordered today from > Norm at Hit & Miss, they have everything I need from cam gears to oversize > valves , thanks for the Help > > Rex > > If it aint broke ,,,, Break it !!! Then you'll have a project > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > > Hi Steve; > > This subject came up several years ago and what I use is Dry Spray > > Moly > in > > a rattle can. It seems to protect against rust yet lubricates, and can > > be > > somewhat polished up. I usually spray it on a warm surface and let it > > dry > > for several hours before rubbing it with a soft cloth. It will not rub > off > > on you when polished and seems resistent to gas and oils used with the > > old > > engines, and can be removed with some of the stronger solvents. > > > > I've used it on valve stems, gears, pushrods, and various other places. > > Her's some pix's of it on the sawrig: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200715640wmGDeW > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200716731qKKXTa > > > > here's some I used on Eco > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76455331imPOHM > > > > > > Some people would like to try this on their squeaky trailer hitch balls > and > > avoid the greasy mess. > > > > The bad news...I no longer know where to get it, but Spudhead is doing > > some research with the old work. > > > > "Works for me" > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Royster" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > > > > > Stove polish looks nice also! Steve > > > > > > >From: "Rex Hinz" > > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > > > > > > > >Hi All; > > > > > > > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and > > > > because > of > > > >the > > > >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint > > > >it > , > > > >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were > painted > > > >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis > > > >to > > > >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium > > > >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright > > > >shinny > > > >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint > > > >them, > > > >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on > > > >cast > > > >iron > > > >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , > > > >anybody > > > >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a > > > >thread > > > >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > > > > > > > >Rex Hinz > > > > > > > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 25 19:45:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:45:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <426D9A67.10901@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Not this drug store cowboy!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hopper cooking > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! > > ========= > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > JW > ========= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 25 19:50:45 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:50:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. References: Message-ID: <007601c54a0a$be96a800$98668645@carolina.rr.com> What a neat project, good job Tom. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. > This is my latest project. It is a 4ft diameter x 1 3/4 thick(2 layers) > wooden wheel that goes on the church bell for the rope to go around and ring the > bell. I guess the bell weighs over 1000lbs. The old one rotted out after 40-50 > years. I have built it out of cypress and waterproof expanding polyurethane > glue. In photo 6 you can see the glue still coming out in the rope groove. > After drying, I will scrape off extra glue, stain, and then paint two coats. We > took two bottle jacks and some timbers and climbed up thru the steeple, jacked > up one side of the bell slightly and removed the cast legs from one side of > bell and removed the old wheel. To fit and cut all the pieces I made a full > scale template on masonite. If I had not done this, I could not figure any other > way to cut the ends of the outer rim radiused pieces to butt together > perfectly. The inner hub is cast steel which adapts the wheel to the bell axle. It > has been a fun project. Should last longer than me! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel1 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel2 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel3 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel4 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel5 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel6 > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 20:13:24 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:13:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the photos Message-ID: <426DB1D4.1080105@earthlink.net> Hi all, I'm up to my ass is projects right now and don't have time to post much. Just wanted the thank all for the latest show pictures they posted. Nice break for me. Sit back and look at some great iron that you shared. Then back to work. Sigh! Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 20:17:44 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:17:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426DB2D8.8080709@earthlink.net> Very nice work Tom. Thanks for sharing. Jeff Allen Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >This is my latest project. It is a 4ft diameter x 1 3/4 thick(2 layers) >wooden wheel that goes on the church bell for the rope to go around and ring the >bell. I guess the bell weighs over 1000lbs. The old one rotted out after 40-50 >years. I have built it out of cypress and waterproof expanding polyurethane >glue. In photo 6 you can see the glue still coming out in the rope groove. >After drying, I will scrape off extra glue, stain, and then paint two coats. We >took two bottle jacks and some timbers and climbed up thru the steeple, jacked >up one side of the bell slightly and removed the cast legs from one side of >bell and removed the old wheel. To fit and cut all the pieces I made a full >scale template on masonite. If I had not done this, I could not figure any other >way to cut the ends of the outer rim radiused pieces to butt together >perfectly. The inner hub is cast steel which adapts the wheel to the bell axle. It >has been a fun project. Should last longer than me! > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel1 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel2 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel3 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel4 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel5 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel6 > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:31:35 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:31:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <200504260235.j3Q2Z79Q061507@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, the one on the cover of TOMM is a smaller version of the one i am getting, i have heard that the Timms have a couple of these which i will give Russell a call about.It will be a big project but well worth it i think. Thanks for the help Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Regal vertical >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:35:11 +1000 > >Hi Dave, > Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >-----Original Message----- >Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any >imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is >there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. >Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ $60,000 prize pool to be won. Three winners. Apply now! http://www.healthe.com.au/competition.do From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 25 20:38:00 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Message-ID: <20050425.233816.1288.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Patrick Great pictures - I never get used to seeing some of the shows in diferent parts of the world. Only had a chance to view page 1 - Will get the rest later. Good Job Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 25 20:42:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:42:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <426D9A67.10901@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <03c801c54a11$f759bcc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I think they will work it out from the other mails Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hopper cooking >R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! > > ========= > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > JW From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 25 20:50:07 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:50:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts Message-ID: <1b9.12572b2b.2f9f146f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:28:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: So Rex..where'd ya get the dry moly spray? We're out TIA Rickinmt. Or, if the last one doesn't work, try this one. _KanoLabs.com_ (http://www.kanolabs.com/) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 25 20:47:24 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:47:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical References: <200504260235.j3Q2Z79Q061507@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <03eb01c54a16$2a24adf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I restored that Regal on the cover of TOMM a lot of years back. This is the only other one I have ever seen. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Regal vertical > Hi Dave, > Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any > imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is > there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. > Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 25 21:48:08 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:48:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <03c801c54a11$f759bcc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200504260448.j3Q4mDlo011484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > >>R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in > >>time for lunch! > > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > > JW > I think they will work it out from the other mails We're not as dumb as you think. I "googled" savaloy, and the first thing to come up was the lyrics to "The Joy of Savaloy." I can assure you, it's not the sort of thing we'd have at an American engine show -- an exception might be at the West Hollywood Branch of EDGE&TA. I'm not even going to post the lyrics here. If you want to read them, you have to google them yourself. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 25 13:01:29 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:01:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <000801c549d1$92f43e80$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking > Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling hopper? > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. > George Hi George, see http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/331117776DWglbw They tasted great. I cannot find the picture of Arnie eating one though I remember seeing it. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 00:13:26 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:13:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <03eb01c54a16$2a24adf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: you certainly did a nice job Reg i hope mine comes up as good. Dave ps can you put me on your joke list i miss a good belly laugh >From: "R & M Ingold" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Regal vertical >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:47:24 +1000 > >I restored that Regal on the cover of TOMM a lot of years back. >This is the only other one I have ever seen. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:35 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Regal vertical > > >>Hi Dave, >>Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>-----Original Message----- >>Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any >>imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is >>there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. >>Thanks in advance Dave in oz >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 26 03:06:29 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:06:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally References: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001701c54996$600835c0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <009801c54a47$9de2d830$0301a8c0@Cam> Nicely done Patrick and very interesting too > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:21 > Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally > > >> A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, > playing >> engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, > motorbikes >> and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' >> engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I >> helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ > Holden >> Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for >> the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain > down >> there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the > photos). >> The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was >> plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. >> Some pictures at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 26 03:10:50 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:10:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical References: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <00b301c54a48$39637fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Good onya Dave that will keep you interested for awhile. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical > Hello! > > David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= > > Here is a message describing the photos: > > Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any > imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is > there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. > Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > You can also create your own photo album to share with family and > friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. > http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html > > AOL Users: > Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the > links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into > your web browser. > href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw="> > Click here > > > > Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of > Epson PhotoCenter: > > - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! > > - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and > friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. > > And that's just the beginning. > > Changing the picture of photography.TM > http://photo.epson.com/ > > Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, > CA 90806 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Tue Apr 26 03:32:30 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:32:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical References: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <010f01c54a4b$439db9e0$5f11fea9@merlin> Looks Good Dave a good find ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical > Hello! > > David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= > > Here is a message describing the photos: > > Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any > imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is > there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. > Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > You can also create your own photo album to share with family and > friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. > http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html > > AOL Users: > Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the > links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into > your web browser. > href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw="> > Click here > > > > Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of > Epson PhotoCenter: > > - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! > > - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and > friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. > > And that's just the beginning. > > Changing the picture of photography.TM > http://photo.epson.com/ > > Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, > CA 90806 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 04:03:08 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:03:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gerald Buitendach's Engine Day In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050426005522.009bfd20@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Some very nice looking engines Jerry. Interesting that each one had a tarp or burlap sack underneath to keep the oil from messing up his lawn. Neville's and yours Bernard engines are very unique looking. Thanks for sharing. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Jerry Evans > >Hi Everybody, > The first pics are up on my website of Geralds Engineday that was held on >Saturday. > > > >Follow the link halfway down the page. > >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Apr 26 04:06:05 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:06:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <426D5E60.4477BD19@insulate.co.uk> <000901c549e0$c90afe50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <426E209D.93EBAED4@insulate.co.uk> Hi John Forgot to add the URL for that one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg John Hammink wrote: > Hi Helen, I miss that picture of Philip Tornon Evidence > eating the hopper cooked Black Pudding together with > Dave and Arnie. > I like the twin washing demo the best :o) > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 26 06:26:34 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:26:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: <1b9.12572b2b.2f9f146f@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks much!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:28:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > So Rex..where'd ya get the dry moly spray? > > We're out > > TIA > Rickinmt. > Or, if the last one doesn't work, try this one. > > _KanoLabs.com_ (http://www.kanolabs.com/) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 26 07:27:42 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:27:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: Actually, it is Saveloy not Savaloy. Saveloys are already cooked highly seasoned smoked pork sausages. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:48 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Hopper cooking > > > >>R & M Ingold wrote: > > >> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for > > >>lunch! > > > > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > > > JW > > > I think they will work it out from the other mails > > > We're not as dumb as you think. I "googled" savaloy, and the > first thing to come up was the lyrics to "The Joy of > Savaloy." I can assure you, it's not the sort of thing we'd > have at an American engine show -- an exception might be at > the West Hollywood Branch of EDGE&TA. > > I'm not even going to post the lyrics here. If you want to > read them, you have to google them yourself. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 26 15:45:37 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:45:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <05f501c54ab5$06ddeab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thats what I said and meant. Already cooked but nice and hot for lunch. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Hopper cooking > Actually, it is Saveloy not Savaloy. Saveloys are already cooked highly > seasoned smoked pork sausages. From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Apr 26 18:08:04 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IR radial Message-ID: <000801c54ac5$90dafa90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,,, i finally found an IR 3-36 radial to replace the one we had destroyed in a wreck,2 or 3 years ago,,, however , its not in near as good shape as the first one was,,,,, today, i finally got it to run on a prime, so maybe the worst is over,,,, does anyone know of a source for parts? especially gaskets,,,,,, and i also need the rope start pulley,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Apr 26 19:34:12 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:34:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446d603c05f5da236aae7fdb63c7477@chartertn.net> > Beenie Weenie's George..don't get no better. Talk about "stack music!" John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 26 21:34:33 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:34:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <4446d603c05f5da236aae7fdb63c7477@chartertn.net> References: <4446d603c05f5da236aae7fdb63c7477@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <426F1659.5080304@earthlink.net> Now there's some good eats John. Slice up some lips and *ssholes and mix em with beans. Don't use turkey franks cause turkeys don't have lips. All you get is the other end with them. The lips add flavor to the musical fruit. The other is how they get rid of it and we buy it. Jeff Allen PS. going crazy with the patent database, but Rob has a great thing going. Prime time is coming. WOW is what you will see!!! John Culp wrote: >> Beenie Weenie's George..don't get no better. > > > Talk about "stack music!" > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 00:31:19 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:31:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <00b301c54a48$39637fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: your not wrong Cam, just to fabricate the head should take quite awhile but will be worth it. the original head was lost when it was taken to get a crack repaired about 75-80 years ago, not much hope of finding another one. Dave >From: "cam grundy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Regal vertical >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:10:50 +1000 > >Good onya Dave that will keep you interested for awhile. Cam >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical > > >>Hello! >> >>David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= >> >>Here is a message describing the photos: >> >>Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any >>imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is >>there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. >>Thanks in advance Dave in oz >> >> >> >>You can also create your own photo album to share with family and >>friends. Its free! 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Apply now! http://www.healthe.com.au/competition.do From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Apr 27 05:29:25 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:29:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences] Message-ID: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au> I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at least mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should fill up TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) Paul -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 From: Paul Pavlinovich To: info at tomm.com.au At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the policy. How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they should be safe enough for us. Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). Paul Pavlinovich
-- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 05:34:49 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:34:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally In-Reply-To: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Fantastic job as usual Patrick. Thanks for the Pics. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally >Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:21:10 +1000 > >A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, playing >engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, >motorbikes >and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' >engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I >helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ Holden >Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for >the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain down >there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the >photos). >The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was >plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. >Some pictures at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 27 07:42:18 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:42:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs Message-ID: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> It's been a while since we did this, so it might be fun to tell funny stories of those engine goofs we've made recently. Ya know what I'm talking about. That hour you spent trouble shooting an ignitor and coil system only to find you had a dead battery or that "stuck" check ball that kept that non-existing gasoline from getting to your mixer. Or perhaps something you put together wrong..... Mine? Early on in the hobby I was reassembling the governor on my 6HP Herc. The two spindles inside are separated by a ball bearing. Instead of assembling it spindle/ball bearing/spindle, I assembled it spindle/spindle/ballbearing. It was running good 'till the ball dropped out. Luckily I was in the shop because in about 3 hits the darned thing was nearing a dangerous speed. A quick grab of the spark plug wire saved it. Come on.....let's hear 'em.....funny or scary..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Apr 27 09:02:50 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs In-Reply-To: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> References: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <39434.199.62.0.252.1114617770.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i found out that you can assemble the governor on an IHC LB engine backwards and it will go to full throttle just like that too!!! marv in minn > It was running good 'till the ball dropped > out. Luckily I was in the shop because in about 3 hits the darned thing > was nearing a dangerous speed. A quick grab of the spark plug wire saved > it. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 10:13:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:13:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft straigtening press Message-ID: Howdy all; Here's the press that he's using to straighten my crankshaft. The big question mark looking gizmo pulls down hydraulically...and the dial indicator is up above. He has also mentioned heat in this endevour. Thot ya'll might like a look...as it apppears to be easily built. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/328759286RMFkQu later, RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 10:31:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:31:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs References: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: WHO ME??? Spencer doesn't allow that much bandwidth:-)) Rickinthreatening snow Mt...arrghhhhhh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs > It's been a while since we did this, so it might be fun to tell funny > stories of those engine goofs we've made recently. > > Ya know what I'm talking about. That hour you spent trouble shooting an > ignitor and coil system only to find you had a dead battery or that > "stuck" check ball that kept that non-existing gasoline from getting to > your mixer. Or perhaps something you put together wrong..... > > Mine? Early on in the hobby I was reassembling the governor on my 6HP > Herc. The two spindles inside are separated by a ball bearing. Instead > of assembling it spindle/ball bearing/spindle, I assembled it > spindle/spindle/ballbearing. It was running good 'till the ball dropped > out. Luckily I was in the shop because in about 3 hits the darned thing > was nearing a dangerous speed. A quick grab of the spark plug wire saved > it. > > Come on.....let's hear 'em.....funny or scary..... > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 10:38:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw Message-ID: I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever seen. Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz TIA RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 11:15:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:15:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs In-Reply-To: <39434.199.62.0.252.1114617770.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I had my marine engine, fired by a buzz coil, at a show last summer. I hooked up the wiring with a combination of alligator clips and spliced wires with exposed connections. I didn't notice that one of the clips was touching the base of the engine and one of the spliced wires with exposed connection was touching the ground. As I nelt down on my knees and cranked it over the timer/wiper made the connection to fire the buzz coil and spark plug and shocked my arm a good one. I threw my arm back like I was stung by a hornet. I thought for a few seconds as to what was happening. Couldn't figure it out so I cranked it again. I think it got me a few good times before a bystander pointed out the wire touching the ground. Man that buzz coil bites!! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 27 11:40:49 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:40:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw Message-ID: <20050427.114049.106.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick. Anything Witte pegs my fun meter. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:32 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've > ever seen. > Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > > injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > TIA > RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 12:00:01 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:00:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, That saw would be awesome!! There is a similar one every year at the Buckley, Michigan show. I need to get some better pictures of it. It is neat to see it in operation. I have a few pictures that can be seen here. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-10.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-8.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-9.jpg The Witte........ the desire of an engine is in the eye of the beholder. Some like solid flywheels and some don't, closed crank versus open crank, hit miss and throttler, and on and on. If ya like it then haul her home. I love my LeRoi and some think it is an ugly lump. No, not you Leroy Clark ;-) http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: "Richard Strobel" > >I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever >seen. >Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > >Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > >Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and >injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > >TIA >RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 12:10:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel References: <20050427.114049.106.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Look here Ron, when ya get a chance, and let me know whatcha think? Here's the tag and hit next for the engine photos. http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332141215fCtqFn later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw > Hi Rick. > Anything Witte pegs my fun meter. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:32 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've > > ever seen. > > Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > > > > Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > > > Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > > > > injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From klbandy at dtccom.net Wed Apr 27 14:22:06 2005 From: klbandy at dtccom.net (Kevin L. Bandy) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:22:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New TN Tractor & Engine Show Message-ID: <4270027E.7060803@dtccom.net> http://bailifffamily.com/showflyer.jpg From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 13:20:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:20:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw References: Message-ID: That be her alright, Luke. This one has a few homemade additions but basically the same. I wonder what the long bar coming out to the front is for...possibly used for moving the log,,,dunno. "I'm a gonna need a bigger trailer" Thanks Luke, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw > Rick, > > That saw would be awesome!! There is a similar one every year at the > Buckley, Michigan show. I need to get some better pictures of it. It is > neat > to see it in operation. I have a few pictures that can be seen here. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-10.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-8.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-9.jpg > > The Witte........ the desire of an engine is in the eye of the beholder. > Some like solid flywheels and some don't, closed crank versus open crank, > hit miss and throttler, and on and on. If ya like it then haul her home. I > love my LeRoi and some think it is an ugly lump. No, not you Leroy Clark > ;-) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > >I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever > >seen. > >Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > > > >Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > > >Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > >injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 13:28:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:28:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel Message-ID: Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain to me what these items are used for in this photo: And how hard would it be to get an injector? http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda TIA RickinMt. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 13:47:50 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA Message-ID: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? Thanks Ron Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 13:47:50 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA Message-ID: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? Thanks Ron Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 27 08:25:21 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:25:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs In-Reply-To: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20050427152521.47765.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Curt wrote: > It's been a while since we did this, so it might be fun to tell funny > stories of those engine goofs we've made recently. When I was at sea in the Merchant Navy, the Engineers used to play pranks on each other. One favourite was tto remove bolts from the pile when a piece of machinery was stripped down. Trouble was, everyone knew that one. A better twist was to ADD a couple of extra bolts. When the job was re-assembled there would be a couple of odd bolts lying on the deck. Seeing the engineers scratching their heads trying to remember where they came from amused my simple mind. Oh happy days. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Apr 27 14:31:00 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:31:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please Message-ID: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just like to compare prices with those in the UK. Thanks, Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 14:33:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:33:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605042714332fe3e8d8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain to me what > these items are used for in this photo: > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > TIA > RickinMt. Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 27 16:13:15 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:13:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA References: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c54b7e$b1901720$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Cool Spring Show Dates: June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. Charlie Byant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "engine list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? > Thanks > Ron > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 27 15:31:14 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:31:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please In-Reply-To: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <427012B2.7050301@fidnet.com> Hi Dolly, I am not familiar with an International 275, I'm a John Deere type guy. Walt's Tractor Parts LLC has overhaul kits for various International models. Their address is http://www.waltstractors.com/ I hope this is helpful. Gary Jim French wrote: > Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an > International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, > sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just > like to compare prices with those in the UK. > > Thanks, > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 27 16:07:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:07:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: <000801c54b7e$b1901720$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c54b7e$b1901720$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050427190447.045f07f0@mail.alltel.net> By golly Charlie, Are you trying to say that if some chEEp assed people would buy a _Show Directory_ that they would not have to ask stupid questions to the List? Dave At 07:13 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: > Cool Spring Show Dates: > >June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. > >Charlie Byant > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" >To: "engine list" >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > > > > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a >web site for cool Springs? > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:14:39 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050427231439.18750.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Charlie. I usually try and get to it every year. Ron Charles R Bryant wrote: Cool Spring Show Dates: June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. Charlie Byant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "engine list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? > Thanks > Ron > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 16:25:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:25:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel References: <6f60251605042714332fe3e8d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to heat up the pump..good one!! Now what's the tank on top fer? later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain to me > > what > > these items are used for in this photo: > > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 27 16:35:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:35:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regardingfences] References: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks for letting us know this Paul. I hope this does not become another ''Guideline's stock answer. I belong to three clubs , one of which has spent an enormous amount of money on an alloy fence to the determent of other things ,i.e. a decent club badge for example . Anyway that is ''Water under the bridge '' , i have been suitably admonished by certain individuals in the club for my continuing raising of this subject. Back to the fence ......how much easier on club finances would rope fences be . The afore mentioned alloy fence requires it's own trailer! Please keep us informed as to anything you may hear regarding the subject. Mean while we use the alloy fence ,and the bloody horrible plastic mesh. We are having a ploughing day soon ,it is going to be machinery one side of the paddock fence ,public the other............going to be hard to stop some of those enthusiastic Cockies jumping the fence. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regardingfences] >I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at least >mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should fill up >TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) > > Paul > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 > From: Paul Pavlinovich > To: info at tomm.com.au > > At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was > present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was > about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was > that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the > policy. > > How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the > fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. > > Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they > should be safe enough for us. > > Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property > officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. > > Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to > safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). > > Paul Pavlinovich >
> > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:49:06 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050427234906.24006.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Stuff it Rotigel. Ron Frost Said that. Dave Rotigel wrote: By golly Charlie, Are you trying to say that if some chEEp assed people would buy a _Show Directory_ that they would not have to ask stupid questions to the List? Dave At 07:13 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: > Cool Spring Show Dates: > >June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. > >Charlie Byant > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" >To: "engine list" >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > > > > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a >web site for cool Springs? > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Apr 27 16:53:26 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:53:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <005601c54b84$4e9d11d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> gene,,,, the 3R-36 was part of a deal i made that included it and two JD 435 tractors, the ones with the supercharged GM Detroit Diesel engines,,,,the IR didnt run, was stuck, but not bad,,, i figured 100 bux for it in the deal,,,,,, do you know if any parts are still available? i know i;m going to need a lower crank seal, and could use gaskets in leiu of hand cutting them,, the crank seal sounds like a specific type, not your regular oil seal,,,,, with your rotator cuff surgery, stay away from the rope start on them !! hope your recovery goes well,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Waugh" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: IIR Radial (SEL) > Bill, could I ask you what you paid for the compressor you got? I have > three, all of which I THINK will run, and would like to establish a > general > value. > > It's a loooong story, but I cannot get into it tonight---I had rotator > cuff > surgery yesterday, and am not yet too spry!! > > > > > Gene > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 27 18:38:37 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:38:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA References: <20050427231439.18750.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c54b93$0047ac20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Ron, I guess we can plan on Dave for refreshments as usual . Don't forget your canopy and plenty of chairs Dave. Arnie - are you bringing that oil spraying engine so everyone can get an oil shower? Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > Thanks Charlie. I usually try and get to it every year. > Ron > > Charles R Bryant wrote: > Cool Spring Show Dates: > > June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. > > Charlie Byant > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "engine list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM > Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > > > > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a > web site for cool Springs? > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 17:51:26 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428005126.54646.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luke, I think the reason that saw is at Buckley every year is because it belongs to the club. 8>)) It is also setting right there for the Fall swap meets. I will be there for a meeting on May 6 so I will take a peek and see if it is still setting right there. I really just know it sets there from the show in August until the Education Days in October when they run it for the kids. If it ain't there now,,,,, I just hope it wasn't in the Sam Zue building,,,,,, You should have seen the plans and even a model that was built for the new building. It will look a LOT better than that old pole barn did. If the model shows up at the meeting next week I will try to get a picture of it. Alan Bowen 32 miles N.E. of Buckley, Michigan --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Rick, > > That saw would be awesome!! There is a similar one every year at the > Buckley, Michigan show. I need to get some better pictures of it. It is neat > to see it in operation. I have a few pictures that can be seen here. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-10.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-8.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-9.jpg > > The Witte........ the desire of an engine is in the eye of the beholder. > Some like solid flywheels and some don't, closed crank versus open crank, > hit miss and throttler, and on and on. If ya like it then haul her home. I > love my LeRoi and some think it is an ugly lump. No, not you Leroy Clark ;-) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > >I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever > >seen. > >Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > > > >Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > > >Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > >injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > > >TIA > >RickinMt. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 27 18:16:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:16:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel Message-ID: <20050427.181631.984.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick. Do these help? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630829 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630830 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:25:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to > heat > up the pump..good one!! > > Now what's the tank on top fer? > > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > > > > On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain > to me > > > what > > > these items are used for in this photo: > > > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > > > > > TIA > > > RickinMt. > > > > Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 27 18:54:16 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:54:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] blunders and goofs (from the past) Message-ID: <000d01c54b95$305ae240$98668645@carolina.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike royster" To: "Royster" ; "Steve Royster" Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: hard lessons > > Our topic for discussion tonight is: > "Why a dirt floor is beter than concrete in a shop" > > 1. Never have to sweep it, twice a year just rake it. > 2. Never worry about stains from oil or antifreeze, they just blend in. > 3. A dirt floor won't break your 5hp Economy when it falls!!!!! > > What a day!!! Went out to the shed about 1:30 to work on the Worthington, > but decided to crank some engines for background music. First the Alamo, > then the Jaeger, then the Economy. Greased and oiled everything up, checked > the drip rates, and made sure the Economy was scotched properly on the > plywood as over time it walks towards the edge on the compression stroke. > Once I was assured all was well I started working on the Worth. I took the > latch off and cleaned it, then reversed it. I turned my back to the Economy > and started cranking on the Worth. I pulled it about 3 times when i heard > this incredible crash and felt the ground shake, and things went strangely > silent. > > I turned to see the Economy lying on the non-mag side of the floor of > shop, against the Gulf Oil Corp sign and the wall. Not a pretty sight. I > shut off the other motors and returned to exime the damage to all. Of > course it squashed the Gulf sign a little bit and it bent my oiler some, but > nothing appeared broken. The big pulley was buried in the dirt as was the > muffler. > > Evidently what happened was before I would push the Engine back on the > plywood every 30 minutes or so, in order to keep it from coming off and > tipping over. About 4 days ago, I placed paint paddles on all sides of the > cart wheels to keep it from hopping and it worked. I noticed as it was > running today it bounced little, but was staying on the plywood. What I > must have failed to notice is it must have been moving on top of the cart, > cause off it came. What if I had been oiling it or working on that side? > Dead man. > > How does one raise a 1000 pound motor from it's side by himself? Not too > good! Nothing to hook a chain fall to, and no help around though it would > take 4 or so to right it. So I went to the workshop and got my 5 ton jack > and picked up some cribbing and bricks. Long story short, I jacked and > cribbed til I got it to the breakover point then set it upright. About 45 > minutes of VERY careful work. Well, now it was time to see what all broke > and if the flywheels were bent or broken. On first look everything seemed > OK, so I slowly rotated the flywheel and still had compression. I pulled > the plug and spun the flyweel and to my suprise it was true! No cracks or > breaks anywhere I could see. Put the plug in it and it fired right up, no > problem. The oiler is slightly bent, but I might can fix it. > > So, it was a crappy day, but a wonderful day! I thought I was the most > careful motorhead around, but I got a lesson today. Play hard, work safe; > and pay attention to the small details!!! > > MR > > > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 27 19:08:00 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com><426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com><426C91D6.80905@steamengine.com.au> <002701c54976$d426d350$0200000a@patruston> Message-ID: <028801c54b97$1b8b8340$3af24c0c@D48VHZ61> I think this was talked about a couple of years ago and the general school of thought is that these engines are supposed to run hot, mine sure does. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ruston" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:11 AM Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. 912630, after > running approximately 1/2 hour the water appeared to be in a roiling boil, > wondering if this is normal temperature, there is some scale build up in > water hopper, thanks for any and all replies. > > Pat Ruston > St. Pauls Station > Ontario, Canada > ruston at orc.ca > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 19:20:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:20:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel References: <20050427.181631.984.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Only about 5000 percent Ron:-)) Now I know what's missing and what they look like. The plan will be to go back and ask if I can snoop around. Someone there took this baby apart and possiibly know where the generator/alternator is also. Thanks very much for takin' the time!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > Hi Rick. > Do these help? > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630829 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630830 > &f=0 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:25:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to > > heat > > up the pump..good one!! > > > > Now what's the tank on top fer? > > > > > > later, > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Listerdiesel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > > > > > > > On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain > > to me > > > > what > > > > these items are used for in this photo: > > > > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? > > > > > > Peter > > > -- > > > Peter A Forbes > > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 19:44:41 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:44:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel In-Reply-To: References: <6f60251605042714332fe3e8d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042719447dcb2a86@mail.gmail.com> On 4/28/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to heat > up the pump..good one!! > > Now what's the tank on top fer? > > later, > RickinMt. The forward mount is definitely the pump mounting, not quite sure why they'd want to use the water jacket though, it may be a blind hole? The other unit is a fuel filter by the look of it, the unions are too small to be anything else if you look at the picture outside of webshots and blow it up. Ron's picture shows this all up well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 27 19:43:47 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:43:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel Message-ID: <20050427.194347.984.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi again Rick. That is just like mine # 6599. I finally found a replacement flywheel for mine at the Tulare show. Should be running soon. I have a spare off side flywheel now. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:19 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Look here Ron, when ya get a chance, and let me know whatcha think? > Here's > the tag and hit next for the engine photos. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332141215fCtqFn > > later pard, > Rick From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 27 21:33:58 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:33:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <000801c549d1$92f43e80$fa4c1152@no1> References: <000801c549d1$92f43e80$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <1114662838.427067b6db20b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, These the pics you were thinking of? DAMN yummy black pudding!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > ----- Original Message ----- > Hi George, see http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/331117776DWglbw > They tasted great. I cannot find the picture of Arnie eating one though I > remember seeing it. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 27 22:35:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:35:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: <001001c54b93$0047ac20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050427231439.18750.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> <001001c54b93$0047ac20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <1114666542.4270762e08426@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Charlie, Hmmmm, I think you're referring to the Novo "S". I'm planning on going that one one better this year and introduce folks to the concept of "Petter spots." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Charles R Bryant : > I guess we can plan on Dave for refreshments as usual . Don't forget > your canopy and plenty of chairs Dave. Arnie - are you bringing that oil > spraying engine so everyone can get an oil shower? From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Apr 28 08:13:33 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:13:33 Subject: [SEL] Gerald Buitendach's Engine Day In-Reply-To: <200504271000.j3RA07VT020036@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050428081333.009a9a88@127.0.0.1> >Some very nice looking engines Jerry. Interesting that each one had a tarp >or burlap sack underneath to keep the oil from messing up his lawn. >Neville's and yours Bernard engines are very unique looking. Thanks for >sharing. >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA Hi Luke Thanks for the reply and comments. Yes The Bernards are nice - their quality of manufacture is very high - almost ahead of their time! They are pretty unusual here in South Africa and searching the Net for them also does not yield much information - one or two sites in Europe. The manufacturing company still exists in France and have been very helpful in identifying these engines and supplying manuals and other information. Yes they have a beautiful lawn and as we are nearing our winter and the end of the growing season, oil (and hot water) spills would kill the grass and they would have to wait until spring for it to recover. Tarps are not so good for photos and I did remove some of them to take the pics but got lazy. I alo digitally removed a lot of tarps and suchlike from some of the pics before posting them - I hope nobody can recognise which ones I did this to. As a clue, the pic of my Bernard had a pile of tarps lying behind and to the right of it (about halfway between the description and the information board on the pic) as well as a hosepipe on the embankment behind it - I removed these digitally. Regards Jerry Evans http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 27 23:45:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:45:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] compression Message-ID: <02ab01c54bbd$da2d6f40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I had a mail from Larry Evans asking about comp ratios on models the other day. This kicked me into gear to finally do something about the Domestic Stovepipe model. I built it 11 years ago and has always been a pig. Barely able to turn it over, bites the finger that feeds it and hits like Hercules's hammer! Leaping up like a startled cat every firing stroke. So today I pulled the piston and took 1/8 inch off all over and then took off an extra 3/32 inside the ring base diameter. Reassembled it and flicked it with no worries. Choked it and away it went with no leaping, etc. A totally different engine now. It only took me 11 years to sort it! So lads, a high comp ratio on old stuff is not a good thing. Slow running and 5 to 1 or even lower seems ok to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Apr 28 02:05:57 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:05:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regardingfences] In-Reply-To: <000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au> <000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4270A775.8050003@steamengine.com.au> Its OWN trailer? Wow... I'm almost speechless... how many less engines come because someone has to pull a fence on a trailer... ok - I can see how it seemed smart at the time NOT! Paul peter ogborne wrote: > Thanks for letting us know this Paul. I hope this does not become > another ''Guideline's stock answer. > I belong to three clubs , one of which has spent an enormous amount of > money on an alloy fence to the determent of other things ,i.e. a decent > club badge for example . Anyway that is ''Water under the bridge '' , i > have been suitably admonished by certain individuals in the club for my > continuing raising of this subject. > Back to the fence ......how much easier on club finances would rope > fences be . The afore mentioned alloy fence requires it's own trailer! > Please keep us informed as to anything you may hear regarding the > subject. Mean while we use the alloy fence ,and the bloody horrible > plastic mesh. We are having a ploughing day soon ,it is going to be > machinery one side of the paddock fence ,public the > other............going to be hard to stop some of those enthusiastic > Cockies jumping the fence. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:29 PM > Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA > regardingfences] > > >> I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at >> least mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should >> fill up TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) >> >> Paul >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences >> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 >> From: Paul Pavlinovich >> To: info at tomm.com.au >> >> At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was >> present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was >> about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was >> that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the >> policy. >> >> How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the >> fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. >> >> Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they >> should be safe enough for us. >> >> Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property >> officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. >> >> Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to >> safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). >> >> Paul Pavlinovich >>
>> >> -- >> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >> www.steamengine.com.au >> >> >> -- >> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >> www.steamengine.com.au >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Apr 28 03:48:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:48:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter toNHMA regardingfences] References: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au><000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4270A775.8050003@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003901c54bdf$e0ca9450$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> That's right Paul ,it's own trailer and do you think it's a hell of a job to get someone to pull the trailer! Another thing i heard that came out of the insurance rep at Naracoorte was that it is not a requirement that invited guests into the engine compound do not have to have insurance ....only the exhibitor. This means that wives .partners etc don't have to have cover. NHMA never told us this ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter toNHMA regardingfences] > Its OWN trailer? Wow... I'm almost speechless... how many less engines > come because someone has to pull a fence on a trailer... ok - I can see > how it seemed smart at the time NOT! > > Paul > > peter ogborne wrote: >> Thanks for letting us know this Paul. I hope this does not become another >> ''Guideline's stock answer. >> I belong to three clubs , one of which has spent an enormous amount of >> money on an alloy fence to the determent of other things ,i.e. a decent >> club badge for example . Anyway that is ''Water under the bridge '' , i >> have been suitably admonished by certain individuals in the club for my >> continuing raising of this subject. >> Back to the fence ......how much easier on club finances would rope >> fences be . The afore mentioned alloy fence requires it's own trailer! >> Please keep us informed as to anything you may hear regarding the >> subject. Mean while we use the alloy fence ,and the bloody horrible >> plastic mesh. We are having a ploughing day soon ,it is going to be >> machinery one side of the paddock fence ,public the >> other............going to be hard to stop some of those enthusiastic >> Cockies jumping the fence. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" >> >> To: ; >> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:29 PM >> Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA >> regardingfences] >> >> >>> I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at >>> least mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should >>> fill up TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences >>> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 >>> From: Paul Pavlinovich >>> To: info at tomm.com.au >>> >>> At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was >>> present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was >>> about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was >>> that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the >>> policy. >>> >>> How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the >>> fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. >>> >>> Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they >>> should be safe enough for us. >>> >>> Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property >>> officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. >>> >>> Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to >>> safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). >>> >>> Paul Pavlinovich >>>
>>> >>> -- >>> >>> pjp at steamengine.com.au >>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >>> www.steamengine.com.au >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> pjp at steamengine.com.au >>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >>> www.steamengine.com.au >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 28 04:13:12 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:13:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, Yes, the long bar out the front is for moving the log down once a cut is made. Let me know if you get it and I can take a ton of pictures this fall of the one at the Buckley show. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================================== >From: "Richard Strobel" > > I wonder what the long bar coming out to the front is >for...possibly used for moving the log,,,dunno. > >Thanks Luke, >Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 28 05:07:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel References: <20050427.194347.984.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks again Ron. I got a BIL that lives in Reno. The long base on this one is busted in two pieces and has two scab plates bolted on to keep the two together. The off side pulley has provisions for two v-belts. I assuming this was a genset also. The head has the normal Mt. frost heave repair and the off side main brng is gone also. Well hopefully all these removed parts are somewhere on the farm and can be rescued. 'preciate it and Peter, yes that is a blind hole for the injector pump. Take Care all Rickin 24 above Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel > Hi again Rick. > That is just like mine # 6599. I finally found a replacement flywheel > for mine at the Tulare show. Should be running soon. I have a spare off > side flywheel now. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:19 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Look here Ron, when ya get a chance, and let me know whatcha think? > > Here's > > the tag and hit next for the engine photos. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332141215fCtqFn > > > > later pard, > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 28 05:49:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:49:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw References: Message-ID: That would be fantastic Luke! Once again the SEL shines as usual. I can't imagine anyone but me wanting this animal but ya never know. Would be nice if trolley/carriage metal parts could be found also. The cone clutches are not stuck and it's got the lever to run them...luv runnin' levers!! Saw blade should be no problem as there are plenty around here....maybe that also could be found tho. Well thanks again ya'll. Is there anyone who doesn't need a bigger trailer :-)) Rick..well it's up to 27..jus whew!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw > Rick, > > Yes, the long bar out the front is for moving the log down once a cut is > made. Let me know if you get it and I can take a ton of pictures this fall > of the one at the Buckley show. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================================== > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > > I wonder what the long bar coming out to the front is > >for...possibly used for moving the log,,,dunno. > > > >Thanks Luke, > >Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Apr 28 13:28:47 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic In-Reply-To: <02ab01c54bbd$da2d6f40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <02ab01c54bbd$da2d6f40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <2936.165.206.180.144.1114720127.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under my 1.5 hp engine. However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? Bill bill at antique-engines.com From ivancou at alltel.net Thu Apr 28 15:08:15 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:08:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Dolly , one of our own members from the tractor list works for C & G . I've used them once and was pleased . http://www.cngco.com/index1.html But shipping to the other side of the pond might be costly unless you could get Arnie to smuggle them in on his next trip . Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please > Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an > International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, > sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just > like to compare prices with those in the UK. > > Thanks, > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Apr 28 16:48:26 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:48:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <00f201c54c4c$c5fdd7a0$828ff504@x8h7l9> Jim, I am not familiar with IH 275 but who made the engine? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please > Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an > International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, > sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just > like to compare prices with those in the UK. > > Thanks, > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu Apr 28 16:51:18 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:51:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question Message-ID: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so castings on a little table. Rick in Youngstown From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Apr 28 17:37:33 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429003733.60699.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Bill Sandwich Cart for a 1 1/2 has either a solid board 2" thick, 9 3/4" wide and 42" long (48" with battery box). Some used 2 boards with a 1/2" gap. I don't have an exact size on the handle as so manhy are missing, but they were 26" long and 1 1/2" square and had a hole drilled with a 8" - 1/2" shaft pushed thru. Originally, the handles were oak and the board was douglus fur. I should put this up on the Sandwich Engine Club Site... http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ Steve --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under my 1.5 hp engine. However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? Bill bill at antique-engines.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Apr 28 19:53:45 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:53:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic References: <20050429003733.60699.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c54c66$a9f97400$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Bill, Do you have the two straps (not exact terminology) that the handle attaches to. Also there is a handle bracket on both the forward and aft end of the planks. I have probably built up a couple of dozen trucks (carts) and still have enough parts for one more set. Right now due to my recent move I don't know where everything is. Up to a few weeks ago I couldn't get to the barns because of snow which now is water and mud. I think Steve can get you all the info you need but let me know if he can't. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic > Bill > > Sandwich Cart for a 1 1/2 has either a solid board 2" thick, 9 3/4" wide > and 42" long (48" with battery box). Some used 2 boards with a 1/2" gap. > I don't have an exact size on the handle as so manhy are missing, but they > were 26" long and 1 1/2" square and had a hole drilled with a 8" - 1/2" > shaft pushed thru. Originally, the handles were oak and the board was > douglus fur. > > I should put this up on the Sandwich Engine Club Site... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ > > > Steve > --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under > my 1.5 hp engine. > However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine > the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type > handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. > Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the > "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? > > Bill > bill at antique-engines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/05 > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Apr 28 19:09:46 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:09:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <001701c54c60$873b29a0$0fe3123f@oemcomputer> Rick, I think the list people would be glad to have you in their area at Coolspring for a day. By the way, I will have an engine there that needs to have flywheels cast and maybe a few other parts. We can talk about it there. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so castings on a little table. Rick in Youngstown _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu Apr 28 19:42:13 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:42:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> <001701c54c60$873b29a0$0fe3123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00c501c54c65$0c6c28f0$a65bef18@pengy> Hoo boy! Casting Flywheels huh! Shouldn't be a problem. I am thinking that I will be there on Friday June 17. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Question > Rick, > > I think the list people would be glad to have you in their area at > Coolspring for a day. By the way, I will have an engine there that needs > to have flywheels cast and maybe a few other parts. We can talk about it > there. > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:51 PM > Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question > > > I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I > would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I > have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the > foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one > day? > I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so > castings on a little table. > > Rick in Youngstown > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 28 20:24:37 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:24:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question--now SEL Area In-Reply-To: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rick, That would be GREAT! I talked to Jack earlier today and asked for the same space that the List has had for the past 8 years. I'll get the space roped off and posted with the SEL signs on Wed. June 15th. We will be in the second row at the far end--neat the trees. I'll post a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake will be on the "gate." Just ask him where to go if you can't find the SEL area. Dave At 07:51 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote: >I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I >would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I >have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the >foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one >day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or >so castings on a little table. >Rick in Youngstown From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 28 20:54:06 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:54:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question--now SEL Area In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4271AFDE.2010307@scrtc.com> Dave and Rick, I think that would be a super idea. I'd love to see the castings you have made and drumming up a little business for a SEL member (or their company) ain't all bad either! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rick, > That would be GREAT! I talked to Jack earlier today and asked > for the same space that the List has had for the past 8 years. I'll > get the space roped off and posted with the SEL signs on Wed. June > 15th. We will be in the second row at the far end--neat the trees. > I'll post a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing > to the right. Jake will be on the "gate." Just ask him where to go if > you can't find the SEL area. > Dave > > At 07:51 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote: > >> I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there >> I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings >> that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business >> for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just >> for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and >> a half dozen or so castings on a little table. >> Rick in Youngstown > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 28 20:56:15 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question--now SEL Area In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4271B05F.6000706@scrtc.com> BTW Rick, I don't know what day you plan to attend but I would suggest either Thurs. or Friday. Sat. has a bigger crowd (of spectators) but a lot of the engine folks pull out late Fri. or on Sat. morning. Whatever day you are there I look forward to seeing you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rick, > That would be GREAT! I talked to Jack earlier today and asked > for the same space that the List has had for the past 8 years. I'll > get the space roped off and posted with the SEL signs on Wed. June > 15th. We will be in the second row at the far end--neat the trees. > I'll post a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing > to the right. Jake will be on the "gate." Just ask him where to go if > you can't find the SEL area. > Dave > > At 07:51 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote: > >> I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there >> I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings >> that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business >> for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just >> for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and >> a half dozen or so castings on a little table. >> Rick in Youngstown > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 26 22:20:08 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:20:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Restorer's Lament Message-ID: <426F2108.9030807@optusnet.com.au> I'm looking over a four-stroke motor That I overhauled before. Carby is busted, exhaust pipe is shot: As for compression; compression, there's not. There's no denying, that I've stopped trying To get that flywheel off all day. So I'm looking over, that four-stroke motor Think I'll sell it on eeee-bay! (Sorry about that sixth line - won't scan - any suggestions?) ? Jack in Oz From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Apr 29 01:42:51 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:42:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> <001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Thanks for the various sites. Jim's brother has just bought yet another tractor, and apparantly it needs some work on the engine (exactly what hasn't been specified), so he's working on a worst case scenario. It looks like the parts are a similar price on both side of the pond, so it wouldn't help to have Arnie bring them over, or for us to pick them up in August. Ed, I have no idea who made the engine, but when it turns up here (it's presently in Cornwall), I'll try to find out. Thanks anyway! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 03:48:46 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429104846.78200.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Be sure and don't ask what the show dates are though. Ron Tod Engine wrote: I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so castings on a little table. Rick in Youngstown _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 29 04:12:03 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:12:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question References: <20050429104846.78200.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e401c54cac$5445beb0$a65bef18@pengy> I consulted my show directory and found the correct dates! Actually I still was too chEEp to buy one, I got it free when I listed our open house in September! :-) Thanks everyone and I'll see all of you on Friday June 17. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Question > Be sure and don't ask what the show dates are though. > Ron > > Tod Engine wrote: > I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I > would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I > have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the > foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? > I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so > castings on a little table. > > Rick in Youngstown > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 29 04:59:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:59:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Dolly, I found a brochure about the B275 in my "paperwork" cabinet and scanned the front and back cover for ya. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275a.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275b.jpg Informed here about the costs and they say around ? 125 (Euro) per cylinder. The B275 tractors at this side of the big pond were built in the UK. Hope it's of any help for Andy. Enjoy the sun this weekend, John H. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 05:11:09 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429121109.33481.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> That's good Rick. I wouldn't want anyone else to get into trouble as I did for asking. Ron Tod Engine wrote: I consulted my show directory and found the correct dates! Actually I still was too chEEp to buy one, I got it free when I listed our open house in September! :-) Thanks everyone and I'll see all of you on Friday June 17. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Question > Be sure and don't ask what the show dates are though. > Ron > > Tod Engine wrote: > I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I > would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I > have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the > foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? > I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so > castings on a little table. > > Rick in Youngstown > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 29 05:17:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic In-Reply-To: <000801c54c66$a9f97400$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050429003733.60699.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c54c66$a9f97400$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <3729.165.206.180.144.1114777041.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Know about the mud part - a mess here due to recent tiling I did in the yard, and all the equipment still sitting around because it's too wet to move dirt back. What I have is the axles with wheels - 4 flat spokes - the axle supports (I know there is a better term!), one of which has a number cast in it like B328. It was dark so that might not be right but is close. I also have the two flat pieces - "straps" that go from the front axle support up to a stub of the wood handle. There is about 2' of wood left, with those braces still attached. There is nothing else of the handle. There are two "planks" a few inches apart that are sized like 2x4's. They certainly don't look original as they are of unequal length and one end of one is angled rather than square. They are attached via carriage and square headed bolts with square nuts on the bottom - yes, the chamfer is up, flat side down :-) Not sure what you mean by "handle bracket" - apparently must not have since I don't know what it is, or maybe I'm simply not understanding. Thanks much to you and Steve for replies! Appreciate it. And Charlie - it's good you are back in good shape. I read all of the "progress posts" with great hope. Apparently everyone did. Bill > Bill, > > Do you have the two straps (not exact terminology) that the handle > attaches > to. > Also there is a handle bracket on both the forward and aft end of the > planks. > I have probably built up a couple of dozen trucks (carts) and still have > enough parts > for one more set. Right now due to my recent move I don't know where > everything is. > Up to a few weeks ago I couldn't get to the barns because of snow which > now > is > water and mud. I think Steve can get you all the info you need but let me > know > if he can't. > > Charlie Bryant > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic > > >> Bill >> >> Sandwich Cart for a 1 1/2 has either a solid board 2" thick, 9 3/4" wide >> and 42" long (48" with battery box). Some used 2 boards with a 1/2" >> gap. >> I don't have an exact size on the handle as so manhy are missing, but >> they >> were 26" long and 1 1/2" square and had a hole drilled with a 8" - 1/2" >> shaft pushed thru. Originally, the handles were oak and the board was >> douglus fur. >> >> I should put this up on the Sandwich Engine Club Site... >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ >> >> >> Steve >> --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under >> my 1.5 hp engine. >> However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine >> the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type >> handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. >> Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the >> "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? >> >> Bill >> bill at antique-engines.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/05 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Fri Apr 29 06:45:50 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:45:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations Message-ID: Is anyone planing on the pagen ritual of dancing in the moonlight around a large bond fire for tomorrow night?? Around here the weather is sure not cooperating, it has been in the 30's at night. Boo hoo Peg Pfeiffer Cold and raining in Park Ridge Illinois _____________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 07:32:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:32:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160504290732369cd4a5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Is anyone planing on the pagen ritual of dancing in the moonlight around a > large bond fire for tomorrow night?? > > Around here the weather is sure not cooperating, it has been in the 30's at > night. > > Boo hoo > > Peg Pfeiffer > Cold and raining in Park Ridge Illinois That 'Bond Fire' sounds a bit tasty, Peg! do we bring our own hostages?? :-)) High 60's and 70's this weekend and sunny... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 08:37:01 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:37:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please In-Reply-To: <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, "Jim's Brother" huh? Go ahead and admit it, the French family now belongs to the FATG category! It's ok . Why last year at Arden I became a FATG myself and last month I became an OFES! I might even go STEAM next because Sweet Thing loves those flyball governors! You know the tractors are going to be closer to us at Portland this year for your viewing pleasure. See you there, Steve >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractor help please >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:42:51 +0100 > >Thanks for the various sites. >Jim's brother has just bought yet another tractor, and apparantly it needs >some >work on the engine (exactly what hasn't been specified), so he's working on >a >worst case scenario. It looks like the parts are a similar price on both >side >of the pond, so it wouldn't help to have Arnie bring them over, or for us >to >pick them up in August. > >Ed, I have no idea who made the engine, but when it turns up here (it's >presently in Cornwall), I'll try to find out. > >Thanks anyway! > >Dolly > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Apr 29 08:42:07 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:42:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> <000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <427255CF.BD47C081@insulate.co.uk> Thanks, John!! Andy was really pleased with that. Right now he, Jim and Tom are busy building some kind of lifting frame over Tillie, so that she can be raised up, trailer driven underneath and loading time should be considerably shortened from the 6+ hours it took last year!!! Dolly John Hammink wrote: > Dolly, I found a brochure about the B275 in my "paperwork" > cabinet and scanned the front and back cover for ya. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275a.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275b.jpg > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From nick at holden1.net Fri Apr 29 12:19:38 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:19:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <427288CA.000001.01044@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Dolly try this site for info on your new tractor http://www.tractordata.com/td/td316.html nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Jim French Date: 04/29/05 09:57:33 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractor help please Thanks for the various sites. Jim's brother has just bought yet another tractor, and apparantly it needs some work on the engine (exactly what hasn't been specified), so he's working on a worst case scenario. It looks like the parts are a similar price on both side of the pond, so it wouldn't help to have Arnie bring them over, or for us to pick them up in August. Ed, I have no idea who made the engine, but when it turns up here (it's presently in Cornwall), I'll try to find out. Thanks anyway! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 29 13:03:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:03:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger Message-ID: Howdy all; Somewhile back there was discussion about battery chargers i.e. ones you can plug into 12VDC (cigarette lighter). I just bought one AC/DC from Staples for around 35 rockets and included 4 metal hydride AA batteries. Item No. CH-3900N With a selector switch, one can chose between 2 and 4 batteries. later, RickinMt. From jameswest2500 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 05:13:19 2005 From: jameswest2500 at hotmail.com (James West) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:13:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag Message-ID: Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop here and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick it up a week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. Any thoughts??? Jim _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 15:20:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:20:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050429152072a1336d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Somewhile back there was discussion about battery chargers i.e. ones you > can plug into 12VDC (cigarette lighter). > > I just bought one AC/DC from Staples for around 35 rockets and included 4 > metal hydride AA batteries. > > Item No. CH-3900N With a selector switch, one can chose between 2 and 4 > batteries. > > later, > RickinMt. Not quite a sales plug, but that is what we do for a living, making battery chargers of various sorts and sizes. Get to meet some interesting applications and folks. Nothing consumer thought, it's all industrial, railway and military stuff. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri Apr 29 18:37:39 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:37:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050429183400.01ab4650@mail.pennswoods.net> Jim i don't know if the magnets can be recharged or not. When i get one that don't work right [wico] i just send them to Lee petterson in NY.Last two i sent out had new magnets put in????????? Off the shelf swap or rebuild around $200.00 R Fink PA At 05:13 AM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts >today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone >know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop here >and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick it up >a week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. > >Any thoughts??? > >Jim > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 29 16:09:49 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:09:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger References: Message-ID: <000401c54d10$8c07bce0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger > Howdy all; > Somewhile back there was discussion about battery chargers i.e. ones you > can plug into 12VDC (cigarette lighter). > I just bought one AC/DC from Staples for around 35 rockets and included 4 > metal hydride AA batteries. > Item No. CH-3900N With a selector switch, one can chose between 2 and 4 > batteries. > RickinMt. Hi Rich, as a common or garden Englishman, How many of these do you get for a Pound Stirling? http://www.joecool.org/rockets.jpg Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 29 16:28:11 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:28:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114817291.4272c30b54127@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jim, Just bring it to any of the big shows (Coolspring, Portland, etc.) there's usually a few guys with mag chargers who will do it for free. Some of the "mag guys" also won't "charge you" for the service. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting James West : > Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts > today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone > know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop here > and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick it up a > week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 29 18:48:02 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:48:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag Message-ID: <20050429.214810.888.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jim, I see that Arnie already answered your request. Don't know where you're from - but - I might also recomend taking it to Hit & Miss' show in Orwell, OH - I think the first weekend in June. They usually have demonstrations during the show. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 29 20:24:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:24:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: <20050429.214810.888.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050429.214810.888.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050429232205.026925f0@mail.alltel.net> I have a 12v magnet charger. It's not nearly as powerful as the ones that the pros (eg Brookover and Lopolas) use, but it will do the trick. I'll start bringing it to shows! Dave >Hi Jim, >I see that Arnie already answered your request. > >Don't know where you're from - but - >I might also recomend taking it to Hit & Miss' show in Orwell, OH - >I think the first weekend in June. >They usually have demonstrations during the show. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 30 03:59:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:59:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron Message-ID: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having trouble! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 30 04:31:32 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:31:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000a01c54d78$29727b70$4ecceddc@professi0cqjbx> Thanks Peter, lets see if it works this time. Ron Glassby Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having > trouble! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Apr 30 05:49:38 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:49:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) Dunc William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Is anyone planing on the pagen ritual of dancing in the moonlight > around a large bond fire for tomorrow night?? > > Around here the weather is sure not cooperating, it has been in the > 30's at night. > > Boo hoo > > Peg Pfeiffer > Cold and raining in Park Ridge Illinois > > > _____________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Apr 30 04:55:15 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:55:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <01ac01c54d7b$79a638e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Which Ron? ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having > trouble! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 30 10:58:08 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:58:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> References: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> Message-ID: > I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. > Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) Oh, that's not a big thing. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 30 16:04:53 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 07:04:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> <01ac01c54d7b$79a638e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <001b01c54dd9$09bf6f70$599f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> A happy Ron ,Ron......Ron In WA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test for Ron > Which Ron? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:59 PM > Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > > >> This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having >> trouble! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Apr 30 16:22:31 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 09:22:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3><01ac01c54d7b$79a638e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <001b01c54dd9$09bf6f70$599f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001201c54ddb$7c0d9a50$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> I'm always happy Pete. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] test for Ron > A happy Ron ,Ron......Ron In WA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test for Ron > > > > Which Ron? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:59 PM > > Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > > > > > >> This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having > >> trouble! > >> Peter Ogborne > >> Little Grove ,Albany > >> West Australia > >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 30 19:09:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:09:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Appleton Dragsaw Message-ID: Well everyone, I guess I'm the owner of an Appleton Dragsaw. Yup, I need a bigger truck!. By the looks of the dragsaw, I feel there are several parts added and or missing. Any help like Steve and Luke provided would be most appreciated. The plan here is to get it working at a permanent display area on the property. I would think the 5 hp Economy should power it up just fine. Here it is again for those who didn't see it the first time: http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143389NIOECZ and http://community.webshots.com/photo/332143470/332143470bDKHGV later, RickinMt. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 04:25:30 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:25:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Looking for Andy Nicholson - Oz Message-ID: <004801c536b5$e6fce100$230110ac@PAUL> Folks Andy Nicholson, Exmouth W.A. Oz, contacted me some months ago telling me he was trying to buy a buzz coil tester from a guy in the states but that the guy would not ship overseas to Australia. He ask me if I could help him out by letting the guy ship it to me and then I would ship it on to him and I told him I would be glad to do this for him, like I said this has been quite awhile ago that he had asked me to do this. A few days ago the package arrived at the local Post Office and I had to go down and sign for it and now have it. I sent Andy an e-mail a message telling him I had it and I needed his mailing address so I could ship it to him, this was a couple of days ago. So far I have heard nothing from him so I am wondering if maybe he is on vacation our out of pocket for awhile. Does anyone know where Andy might be and if so could you let him know I am trying to contact him. Thanks, Paul Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. From Germoamer at aol.com Fri Apr 1 04:59:38 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:59:38 EST Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT Message-ID: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end yoke with a BFH. >> Joe, I have a great disliking for an impact wrench due to a similar situation many years ago. I realize that impact wrenches have their place. We had just got done rebuilding a rear end and a coworker put on the yoke and started the fine threaded yoke nut. Yep, he grabbed the impact wrench and promptly cross threaded it!! Ever tried to find a fine threaded nut chaser to on a Saturday morning?? The situation with the wire tiers on the Honda was my wife had hit a dog and broke the turn signal light which is mounted in the bumper of the '93 Honda. She was in town and went by the Honda dealer to have a new one installed. One side of the assembly fits in a slot and the other side screws to a tab on the bumper. The tab had broken off. So, what did the dealer do, they held it in place with two wire tiers and told my wife they had a hard job figuring out how to fix it and why it costs $45 for labor! I think it took me 30 minutes to make a small sheet metal aluminum tab, bolt it to the bumper and bolt the assembly to it completely hidden. That included putting the tools away. Have a nice day. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 05:05:14 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 05:05:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2075.165.206.180.102.1112360714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> What do you think the major reason I got out of the business was? I couldn't stand to work with people doing sub-standard work, trouble-shooting by replacing parts, sending folks back onto the highway with faulty brakes or a job poorly done - or outright lying to the car owner when it took 10 hours to do a 5 hour job because the mechanic didn't know what they were doing. Coming in in the AM and seeing a car sitting on the floor with a hole in the floor, the windshield busted out - from the INSIDE and the dash all torn up - the car was left on a hoist overnight with no safety set, and a tall stand under it supporting an exhaust pipe - the hoist dropped, the stand went up through the floor, dash and windshield. Coming in and seeing the side of a car smashed in - and a truck tipped off the front of a hoist, landing on the side of that car - some idiot put a truck up on the hoist with the front WAAAY to far ahead. Lucky no one was killed. Pretty well totalled that car that was sitting in the shop for a tune-up. Seeing guys in the shop trying to figure out a vibration in a Chevy engine they had just replaced (using a short-block) Seems the car had a 350, the short-block they used was a 400 - one is externally balanced via flexplate, the other internally balanced. Compare engine numbers? Nope - they, 2 of them, spent a full week trying to figure it out. Wonder what it cost the shop and the customer.................. Seeing a family sent out in a stationwagon with no brakes because the shop foreman insisted that all their car needed was the brakes bled (the MC was shot) I was nearly fired for arguing with the man but once he'd made up his mind, he was right, period. Who was the trained tech there? Yup -wasn't him. I DID walk out of that shop a few weeks later - I simply went in, backed up my truck, loaded my tools, drove away and never looked back. I rarely trust a vehicle of mine to anyone else. I was sick of what I was seeing. Bill > Hi Tom, > > There were a couple things that turned me against mechanics. I know > there are some that really care about the work they do but being that I > have the ability to do most of the work myself - I do. People like JB, > who instructed me on how to replace a timing gear on an 89 Pontiac via > e-mail, are indispensable. > > But - > > One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly > left front wheel. They loosened the > front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a > cotter pin. > > Two - Was when I bought my truck NEW. 1st State Inspection was at the > dealer. 2 guys were sitting at the > front wheel of my truck for the longest time. > > I was watching them and finally went over and said, "Something wrong?" > They said they couldn't get the front > hub back together. My question was: "Why did you take it apart?" they > said - To get at the brakes. I said "See those 3 large screws on the > drum?" Again - "Why did you take it apart?" No answer. > > Then I instructed them piece by piece on how to assemble a front driving > hub. > > While this was going on I also observed a "mechanic" removing a rear end > yoke with a BFH. This is a FORD DEALERSHIP. Where's the pullers ? > > Thanks for the opportunity, > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Conceit is an odd disease: > \/)"(\/ It makes everyone sick but the one who has it." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 1 05:18:05 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 07:18:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504011321.j31DLE94011196@pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com> I knew you would come up with this! kgw -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT A typical 10W-30 runs about 68 cP at 40?C, 10.5cP at 100?C. John On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:06 PM, Gene Waugh wrote: > So what, Dr. John, is the viscosity, in centipoises, of automotive oil? > > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 06:16:07 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:16:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2492.165.206.180.102.1112364967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Peter - here's what I found: A check showed that the light that was staying on was the ALT/BATTERY light! Someone has worked on this in the past and had the wrong light in the wrong hole. The real oil light was going out when it started. I did trace the oil pressure wiring. Switched battery +12 to one side of bulb, other side right to sender. So, now to figure out why the ALT light stays on - I suspect regulator - it's a solid-state unit mounted on the shroud, well, sort of in it, for cooling I believe - it's an Onnan engine on this 318. The stuff the regulator is sealed with is pulling out. Can't be good. Bill > > FWIW the oil light is usually fed positive 12V and the oil switch > grounds it to turn the light on. Could you have a wrong wire on the > light? Does that 'spare' lead have anything to do with the oil > switch, a quick continuity check would confirm both. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 06:38:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:38:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <2075.165.206.180.102.1112360714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> <2075.165.206.180.102.1112360714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040106386b3a2321@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 2:05 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > What do you think the major reason I got out of the business was? > I couldn't stand to work with people doing sub-standard work, I was in trucks mostly, where the standard was better generally than on cars and light vans, but I know what you mean. The standards of training were very poor, and although I had 2 weeks in Sweden for the Scania dealership, that was the only time I had any formal training on their trucks, despite the setting up of a training school in the UK after that. I don't blame Scania, just the people that employed me who saw it as another cost to be avoided. How folks get on now with all the electronics does worry me, as the average mechanic just doesn't get into that stuff at all. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 07:22:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:22:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT - John Deere wiring diagram needed In-Reply-To: <2492.165.206.180.102.1112364967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20050331103058.009c0f28@127.0.0.1> <3769.165.206.180.102.1112277448.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6f60251605033106317df65127@mail.gmail.com> <2492.165.206.180.102.1112364967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050401072266104ba1@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 3:16 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Peter - here's what I found: > A check showed that the light that was staying on was the ALT/BATTERY > light! Someone has worked on this in the past and had the wrong light in > the wrong hole. > The real oil light was going out when it started. I did trace the oil > pressure wiring. Switched battery +12 to one side of bulb, other side > right to sender. > > So, now to figure out why the ALT light stays on - I suspect regulator - > it's a solid-state unit mounted on the shroud, well, sort of in it, for > cooling I believe - it's an Onnan engine on this 318. > The stuff the regulator is sealed with is pulling out. Can't be good. > > Bill OK, that's one solved and another one found! :-)) The alternator light is fed 12V again, and is grounded through the field winding, so when the field winding gets up to 12V or so then the light goes out. Some of these controllers have a special feed for the light, others have a special winding and single diode just for the light, as the rest of the output is rectified 3-phase. Is the alternator (I assume it IS an alternator?) actually charging ? If not, then there's your answer. If it is working OK but just the warning light not working, then suspect either the controller or the alternator. Some units use the current through the bulb filament to kick start the excitation of the field winding, worth remembering if the bulb ever goes! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 1 08:24:47 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:24:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> Message-ID: > I have a great disliking for an impact wrench due to a similar > situation many > years ago. I realize that impact wrenches have their place. I've several times encountered dangerous situations from overtightening lug nuts with impact wrenches. As I kid I was on a trip with my folks when a tire went flat. Pop went to take the lug nuts off with a cross lug wrench and found the threads were all completely stripped. Amazing the wheel hadn't come off. We had to be towed into a shop by a wrecker. Jane was driving herself to college one morning when her left rear wheel came off and passed her. Her dad got all over the guy who'd stripped her lug threads. I was fortunately driving my Ramcharger, not riding my Harley, when the left front wheel of an oncoming Oldsmobile Cutlass came off and came straight at me. We were in a 40 MPH speed zone and I was obeying the speed limit. Looked to me like the other car was, too. Didn't have time to slow down much. The wheel was bouncing up to my head height, but when it hit it dead-centered my "Eat More Possum" tag on the front bumper. Felt like I'd run over a fire hydrant or something, a substantial impact. The wheel went back in the direction it came from, moving even faster. Went between two cars, and sailed down into a creek. The heavy front bumper was bent into a V, the grill was smashed, and the air conditioning condenser was dinged. The stripped threads from the lug nuts were still in the threads on the lugs. Fortunately the lady driving was able to pull safely to the side of the road and didn't veer into me along with her wheel. It used to be a common belief, may still be, among mechanics that the overriding clutch on those wrenches wouldn't allow overtightening, and they'd let 'em sit and hammer after the nut was run down. Very, very dangerous practice. John From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 1 08:42:31 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 11:42:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050331.212724.1308.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <424D79F7.3040709@imc-group.com> Joe, Guess we've all got our tales of mechanic's screw ups. Here's mine. Shortly after I bought the F350 I noticed a distinctive bump in the rear end which I diagnosed as sticking splines in the drive shaft. I could have simply added the grease myself (and in hind site should have) but it was brand new and so I took it to the Ford service department. A consult and a drive with the service manager confirmed my diagnosis. They removed the drive shaft, lubed the splines, reassembled it, and delivered it to the house. Later as I pulled out from my house I could feel the vibration. SOB I muttered knowing full well the mechanics failed to phase the U-joints. Back to the house and a quick look underneath and sure enough it was out of phase. Would you believe there were even factory yellow marks on the drive shaft halves to make it idiot proof! But they managed it anyway. This time I pulled it apart and phased it correctly. I vowed that was the only time I would ever grace the doors of a dealer "service center". Phasing of U-joints is one of the most basic of mechanic principles taught early in training. To miss that is a real mark of incompetence for a auto mechanic. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Joseph L Betz wrote: >One was when I got a car State Inspected and came home to find a wobbly >left front wheel. They loosened the >front spindle ( I guess ) To check the brakes and reinstalled without a >cotter pin. > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 09:19:14 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:19:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> Message-ID: <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Wheel nuts are to be TORQUED on, period. Use of impact is fine if all they do is run them up snug in the proper pattern. The wrenches WILL stop - however, most idiots that use them have no clue how to set them down, they use them at max torque at all times. They are not accurate........ so don't think you'll set it to a certain "torque" setting and it will always be the same. They WILL warp certain rotors if used on the wheel nuts/bolts of cars with disk brakes. Before we were married, Two times a shop had to replace brakes on Barbara's Camaro until I went up there and WATCHED while they properly installed the nuts by hand, then using a torque wrench to torque to specs. End of brake problems. (they ate the cost of the messed up rotors each time) They should not be used where a BEARING is concerned! (your diff yolk, etc.) The impact action can hammer the bearing, causing later failure. Bill >> I have a great disliking for an impact wrench due to a similar >> situation many >> years ago. I realize that impact wrenches have their place. > > I've several times encountered dangerous situations from overtightening > lug nuts with impact wrenches. As I kid I was on a trip with my folks > when a tire went flat. Pop went to take the lug nuts off with a cross > lug wrench and found the threads were all completely stripped. Amazing > the wheel hadn't come off. We had to be towed into a shop by a wrecker. > > Jane was driving herself to college one morning when her left rear > wheel came off and passed her. Her dad got all over the guy who'd > stripped her lug threads. > > I was fortunately driving my Ramcharger, not riding my Harley, when the > left front wheel of an oncoming Oldsmobile Cutlass came off and came > straight at me. We were in a 40 MPH speed zone and I was obeying the > speed limit. Looked to me like the other car was, too. Didn't have time > to slow down much. The wheel was bouncing up to my head height, but > when it hit it dead-centered my "Eat More Possum" tag on the front > bumper. Felt like I'd run over a fire hydrant or something, a > substantial impact. The wheel went back in the direction it came from, > moving even faster. Went between two cars, and sailed down into a > creek. The heavy front bumper was bent into a V, the grill was smashed, > and the air conditioning condenser was dinged. The stripped threads > from the lug nuts were still in the threads on the lugs. Fortunately > the lady driving was able to pull safely to the side of the road and > didn't veer into me along with her wheel. > > It used to be a common belief, may still be, among mechanics that the > overriding clutch on those wrenches wouldn't allow overtightening, and > they'd let 'em sit and hammer after the nut was run down. Very, very > dangerous practice. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 1 10:12:50 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:12:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040106386b3a2321@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050401181250.82898.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Peter > How folks get on now with all the electronics does worry me, as the > average mechanic just doesn't get into that stuff at all. Perhaps that is why computer diagnostics were introduced into car servicing - to remove the 'uncertainty'. But it is also seems a good way of increasing servicing costs for the average punter with a modern vehicle. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Apr 1 10:14:08 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:14:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> > Wheel nuts are to be TORQUED on, period. > Use of impact is fine if all they do is run them up snug in the proper > pattern. the tire shop i go to uses a "torque stick" between the impact wrench and the lug nut socket. i have never had a problem with over tightning or a wheel coming loose. for info go to: http://www.torquestick.com/ (Arnie, maybe you better not go there, the gal in the header might be too much for your ticker :-)) marv in minn From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 10:19:58 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:19:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't need to be discussing that here. Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. Maybe this is the French car forum. Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings are about! What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess where I post it? I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is a fishing forum I post to. I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I belong to. When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where people love to trade their stories and problems. (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is kicking in!) I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an engine problem. (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a few sentences ago) I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least the majority of their postings are on topic. I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm taking. Grumpy George From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 10:59:54 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:59:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Hey Marv, She can torque my nuts anytime she wants to!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > the tire shop i go to uses a "torque stick" between the impact wrench and > the lug nut socket. i have never had a problem with over tightning or a > wheel coming loose. > > for info go to: > http://www.torquestick.com/ > > (Arnie, maybe you better not go there, the gal in the header might be too > much for your ticker :-)) From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Apr 1 11:06:14 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:06:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [SEL] OTTO connecting rod lubrication In-Reply-To: <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <192.3ce8a74b.2f7e9fba@aol.com> <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <63050.199.62.0.252.1112379248.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <29512.199.62.0.252.1112382374.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> what was the origional method of lubricating the connecting rod crank end of a 2 HP vertical OTTO engine? mine has a grease zerk in the side of the rod. marv in minn From kkinney at herculesengines.com Fri Apr 1 11:22:16 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 13:22:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> Well said George. Keith At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > >Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > >Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >need to be discussing that here. > >Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > >Maybe this is the French car forum. > >Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > >Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > >Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > >Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >are about! > >What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > >I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >where I post it? > >I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >a fishing forum I post to. > >I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >belong to. > >When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > >I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >people love to trade their stories and problems. > >(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >kicking in!) > >I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >engine problem. > >(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >few sentences ago) > >I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >the majority of their postings are on topic. > >I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > >Grumpy George > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 1 11:23:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:23:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> Hey Grumpy George, A few days ago I posed a question to the list about a Baker Monitor engine. That was how far the cylinder centerline is offset from the main bearings centerline. You didn't answer my question. 'Supose you could have missed it with all the OT subjects. But seriously, does anyone know the answer? If not, on Monday afternoon I'm scheduled with a local machineshop to set this up in a CMM machine and find the answer. Thankfully I haven't melted the old babbitt out. Luke wanted to know the answer after I measure it, but it sure would be nice if one of the Baker experts would pipe up and say. Is Joe Prindle no longer on the list? Anyone know his email addy? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Grumpy George wrote: >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > > >I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 11:54:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to finish taking it apart. I've welded on it, no luck. I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill close enough. It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that one isn't in the way like it is this one. Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. Bill > Well said George. > Keith > > > At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >> >>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>need to be discussing that here. >> >>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >>Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>are about! >> >>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>where I post it? >> >>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>a fishing forum I post to. >> >>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>belong to. >> >>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>kicking in!) >> >>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>engine problem. >> >>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>few sentences ago) >> >>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>taking. >> >>Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Apr 1 11:55:37 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:55:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. Message-ID: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have created a new email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems with other list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or religious in nature. Be prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) To subscribe, just go to: http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic Take care. Ken Christison www.oldiron-nut.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 12:25:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:25:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <01e301c536f8$e5b87eb0$230110ac@PAUL> Sounds Great Ken, thanks for doing this. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new > email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems > with other > list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or > religious in nature. Be > prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 12:47:52 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:47:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Your drill bit is too short? That's an April Fool joke right? Or do you buy your tools exclusively at 7-11? McMaster-Carr. 8" would cost you about $10, 12" about $15, and 18" about $25. If you can't reach it with an 18" long drill bit, sell the engine. As to drilling off-center, I'm guessing you followed Paul Maple's lead and chose to not make a drill guide? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 12:47:02 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:47:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <01f001c536fb$f74d32d0$230110ac@PAUL> Hello Bill, I still have not gotten the gib key out of the Petter engine I am working on, I am going to try to drill, tap, and make a puller tomorrow and see how I fare on this. I may be in worse shape than you at the end of the day. Bill can you post some pictures of your engine and gib key problem? Maybe you already have and I missed seeing this, if so I would appreciate you sending them to me so I can visually see what you have. Thanks and Good Luck, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again >I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill > From tsmith at hal-pc.org Fri Apr 1 12:54:26 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:54:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Heck, just lop off a few inches if you got it to spare. Have a nice weekend. On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the >drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on >that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the >flywheel. > > Bill > >> Well said George. >> Keith >> >> >> At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. >>> Sure >>>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we >>>don't >>>need to be discussing that here. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >>> >>>Maybe this is the French car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >>> >>>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the >>>postings >>>are about! >>> >>>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related >>>postings >>>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic >>>stuff??? >>> >>>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>>where I post it? >>> >>>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there >>>is >>>a fishing forum I post to. >>> >>>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums >>>I >>>belong to. >>> >>>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that >>>too. >>> >>>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>>people love to trade their stories and problems. >>> >>>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>>kicking in!) >>> >>>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has >>>an >>>engine problem. >>> >>>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer >>>a >>>few sentences ago) >>> >>>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their >>>accents >>>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at >>>least >>>the majority of their postings are on topic. >>> >>>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had >>>a >>>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>>taking. >>> >>>Grumpy George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 1 12:56:20 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:56:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. Larry Anger. bill at antique-engines.com wrote: I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to finish taking it apart. I've welded on it, no luck. I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill close enough. It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that one isn't in the way like it is this one. Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. Bill > Well said George. > Keith > > > At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >> >>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>need to be discussing that here. >> >>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >>Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>are about! >> >>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>where I post it? >> >>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>a fishing forum I post to. >> >>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>belong to. >> >>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>kicking in!) >> >>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>engine problem. >> >>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>few sentences ago) >> >>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>taking. >> >>Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Fri Apr 1 13:00:26 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:00:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050401210026.15355.qmail@web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Ken - Thanks, I enjoy learning no matter what the topic is. Larry Anger Paul Maples wrote: Sounds Great Ken, thanks for doing this. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new > email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems > with other > list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or > religious in nature. Be > prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > > Take care. > > Ken Christison > www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 13:00:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:00:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:24 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. > > Hey Grumpy George, > A few days ago I posed a question to the list about a Baker > Monitor engine. That was how far the cylinder centerline is > offset from the main bearings centerline. You didn't answer > my question. 'Supose you could have missed it with all the OT > subjects. But seriously, does anyone know the answer? Curt, You're the engineer on this list! Maybe people didn't answer because they didn't know how many thousandths of an inch the offset should be. Harry Terpstra restored a Baker Monitor that I shipped over to him. He might measure it for you. However, I wouldn't worry about it. If you're pouring main bearing for the engine, just get the crankshaft centered so the bearing thickness is about the same all around. This isn't rocket science... I'm sure your engine will run fine even if you're off a few thousandths. Grumpy George (actually I'm not so grumpy, just wanted to prod people a bit into getting back to engines instead of being just a social group) From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 13:07:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:07:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. Message-ID: Thanks Ken! Will be nice having a place we can tell some people to take their discussion. I won't be joining your list as I already get enough off topic subjects to deal with without having to sign up to get more! Happy George :-) From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 13:21:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 22:21:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050401132139ba8903@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 1, 2005 7:19 PM, Best, George wrote: > > Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a > goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique > engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm > taking. > > Grumpy George Maybe if folks didn't sit back and wait for others to do the posting there would be more on-topic stuff, George ? The Lists are what people make of them, you are either a contributor or a reader/lurker. What you see on the list reflects what people post to them, nothing else. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 13:26:29 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. In-Reply-To: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: Hi Ken, Gee, no religious posts on the "Off_Topic" discussion list? I guess that means that the praying and goat sacrificing stays "On-List" but "Off-Topic"? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - If it wasn't April 1st I would be concerned. On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Ken Christison wrote: > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share > their problems with other list folk as long as it is not engine related > and not political or religious in nature. Be prepared to use the > Delete key a lot :-) > > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic From alkamminga at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:52:01 2005 From: alkamminga at hotmail.com (Al Kamminga) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:52:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Honda oil plug OT In-Reply-To: <4302.165.206.180.102.1112375954.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Sure. The place I used said they torqued to mfr specs. I asked for an explainaton. It went like this. Your mfr says to torque at 90, so we set the air pressure on the wrench to 90. My confidence level went somewhere besides up. Al Kamminga DeMotte Indiana >Wheel nuts are to be TORQUED on, period. >Use of impact is fine if all they do is run them up snug in the proper >pattern. >The wrenches WILL stop - however, most idiots that use them have no clue >how to set them down, they use them at max torque at all times. >They are not accurate........ so don't think you'll set it to a certain >"torque" setting and it will always be the same. > >They WILL warp certain rotors if used on the wheel nuts/bolts of cars with >disk brakes. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 14:06:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:06:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal Message-ID: Paul, I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it also is more work than I think you need to do. I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used some duct tape to keep the weights together. Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've done it several times and it should work for you. One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. WAIT George From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 1 14:09:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:09:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Latest Update on the Bessemer Half-Breed Message-ID: Hi Folks, Craig has finished boring the cylinder. Honing is next. Have a look... http://www.antique-engine.com/shopwork/shopwork36.htm See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 14:12:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. In-Reply-To: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> References: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401171049.0266e108@mail.alltel.net> >y. Is Joe Prindle no longer on the list? Anyone know his email addy? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC Joe left the List some time ago. Said that there was just too much OT stuff (actually he said "shit") for him to waste his time any longer. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 14:18:07 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:18:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401171407.026f3e10@mail.alltel.net> At 03:47 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Your drill bit is too short? That's an April Fool joke right? Or do you >buy your tools exclusively at 7-11? > >McMaster-Carr. 8" would cost you about $10, 12" about $15, and 18" about >$25. If you can't reach it with an 18" long drill bit, sell the engine. > >As to drilling off-center, I'm guessing you followed Paul Maple's lead and >chose to not make a drill guide? > >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Why the hell would Bill follow anyone's advice and use a guide? After all, he IS a MASTER mechanic (just ask him) and has even walked out of a job because of all the STUPID mechanics with whom he was working! Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 1 14:31:55 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:31:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Message-ID: <8a37ecd944ebb8fc366959f29d07612f@chartertn.net> Just to let y'all know, Ken's Off Topic List is alive and well. I've already posted on it. Gonna make George Best a happy man! :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 14:32:40 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:32:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OTTO connecting rod lubrication Message-ID: Fairly safe bet the grease zerk is not original. I've had several engines with grease cups on the connecting rod and would assume that is what your engine should have as well. Probably one of those spring loaded grease cups so it can run for longer periods without stopping. Problem is, if you want the correct one for your engine, it is most likely a high dollar item rather than something common. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MARVIN HEDBERG > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:06 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OTTO connecting rod lubrication > > what was the origional method of lubricating the connecting > rod crank end of a 2 HP vertical OTTO engine? mine has a > grease zerk in the side of the rod. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 14:34:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:34:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. In-Reply-To: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401173218.026f3e10@mail.alltel.net> Hi Ken, Old Iron, politics, religion and sex--those are the only things that I really care about. I'm glad that I can at least talk about one of them on your new list. Thanks for the opportunity! Dave At 02:55 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have >created a new >email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems >with other >list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or >religious in nature. Be >prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > >To subscribe, just go to: >http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > >Take care. > >Ken Christison >www.oldiron-nut.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 1 15:13:51 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:13:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c53710$78f56640$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > Larry Anger. > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > Bill > > Well said George. > > Keith In the past I have welded a cheap short drill to an extension rod to do jobs like this. Sometimes even boring the end of the rod on the lathe to accept the drill then silver soldering the joint to keep it perfectly parallel. I just looked in the workshop & found a quickly extended drill. I cannot remember what for but it must have worked. (I would have thrown it away otherwise.) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 1 15:14:14 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 01:14:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal References: Message-ID: <000501c53710$8973cfc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi George, I always use my old fashion 10 lbs weighting tooth puller for the keys. An image here to see :o) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/keypuller.jpg John H. > Paul, > > I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it > also is more work than I think you need to do. > > I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > > I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. > I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > > If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar > stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide > over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I > had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that > had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights > and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used > some duct tape to keep the weights together. > > Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to > the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've > done it several times and it should work for you. > > One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts > a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 1 15:24:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:24:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Message-ID: Not just me. You'd be surprised how many off list messages I've received from people that felt the same way but didn't want to post it. I have no problem with some off topic stuff, but when the majority of the postings are off topic the list suffers. Over the years we've lost a lot of people that used to post but got tired of using the delete key. Post all the Listeroid messages you want, but until you belt it up to the Hammond I'd rather not hear about it ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > John Culp > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic > > Just to let y'all know, Ken's Off Topic List is alive and > well. I've already posted on it. Gonna make George Best a > happy man! :-D > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 1 15:35:15 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:35:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. References: <410-2200545119553746@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <005001c53713$76627f00$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Christison" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: New "Off_Topic" discussion list. > In order to help keep peace in the stationary engine list family, I have > created a new > email list called "Off_Topic" where subscribers can share their problems > with other > list folk as long as it is not engine related and not political or > religious in nature. Be > prepared to use the Delete key a lot :-) > To subscribe, just go to: > http://lists.oldiron-nut.com/mailman/listinfo/off_topic > Ken Christison Hi Ken, how long before we get the authentication E Mail? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Apr 1 15:46:29 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:46:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Grumpy George. Message-ID: <20050401.154629.448.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Cheer up George. Tulare is just 14 days away. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 16:09:21 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:09:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424DE2B1.1010900@earthlink.net> Hi George, Thanks for posting this. Same thoughts I had last night as I debated leaving the list. I have resisted the urge to post to any of the off topic stuff, but have replied off list to some of them. That is the way it should be done if there is an off topic question. Jeff Allen Best, George wrote: > >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > >Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > >Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >need to be discussing that here. > >Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > >Maybe this is the French car forum. > >Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > >Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > >Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > >Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >are about! > >What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > >I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >where I post it? > >I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >a fishing forum I post to. > >I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >belong to. > >When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > >I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >people love to trade their stories and problems. > >(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >kicking in!) > >I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >engine problem. > >(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >few sentences ago) > >I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >the majority of their postings are on topic. > >I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > >Grumpy George > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 16:13:15 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:13:15 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> <2023.165.206.180.102.1112385261.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <424DE39B.7050901@earthlink.net> Bill, I posted how to do this several days ago including making a jig to center the drill bit. It would probably still work for you. I also bought several 8" bits at Ace for about ten bucks each because my crank sticks out. One would think if you had a problem with a gib key, you would have followed the posts. Jeff Allen bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to >finish taking it apart. >I've welded on it, no luck. >I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill >close enough. >It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. >Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that >one isn't in the way like it is this one. >Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > >Bill > > > >>Well said George. >>Keith >> >> >>At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >> >> >>>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>>need to be discussing that here. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >>> >>>Maybe this is the French car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >>> >>>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>>are about! >>> >>>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >>> >>>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>>where I post it? >>> >>>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>>a fishing forum I post to. >>> >>>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>>belong to. >>> >>>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >>> >>>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>>people love to trade their stories and problems. >>> >>>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>>kicking in!) >>> >>>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>>engine problem. >>> >>>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>>few sentences ago) >>> >>>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>>the majority of their postings are on topic. >>> >>>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>>taking. >>> >>>Grumpy George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 16:16:54 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:16:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424DE476.7090006@earthlink.net> Hi George, Do you happen to have pictures you could share? I will post them if you can't. Jeff Allen Best, George wrote: >Paul, > >I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it >also is more work than I think you need to do. > >I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > >I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. >I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > >If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar >stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide >over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I >had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that >had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights >and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used >some duct tape to keep the weights together. > >Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to >the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've >done it several times and it should work for you. > >One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts >a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 1 16:22:42 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:22:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal In-Reply-To: <000501c53710$8973cfc0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200504020022.j320MdZ12310@pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com> I hear you, John---this is what we call a slide hammer-just gotta get a good weld to the key for it! -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of John Hammink Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Gib key removal Hi George, I always use my old fashion 10 lbs weighting tooth puller for the keys. An image here to see :o) http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/keypuller.jpg John H. > Paul, > > I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it > also is more work than I think you need to do. > > I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > > I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. > I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > > If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar > stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide > over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I > had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that > had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights > and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used > some duct tape to keep the weights together. > > Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to > the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've > done it several times and it should work for you. > > One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts > a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 1 16:28:06 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:28:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <001801c53710$78f56640$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <200504020028.j320S3Z17614@pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com> No, you should be able to find (at least on this side of the pond) long (8" - 12") drill bits just about anywhere, including the local Ace Hardware. Back in my plumber days, we used such bits for locating all sorts of things---most often, "what's on the other side of the wall"...but there was this time my helper came to me..."Gene, there is smoke coming outta the wall under the sink..." Well, all I could figure was "Well, that is how they wired the range..." -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Croft Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Anger" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > Larry Anger. > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > Bill > > Well said George. > > Keith In the past I have welded a cheap short drill to an extension rod to do jobs like this. Sometimes even boring the end of the rod on the lathe to accept the drill then silver soldering the joint to keep it perfectly parallel. I just looked in the workshop & found a quickly extended drill. I cannot remember what for but it must have worked. (I would have thrown it away otherwise.) 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Fri Apr 1 16:45:31 2005 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:45:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start Message-ID: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> I am in the process of building a pony motor start mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking about 70 rpm. Other suggestions are also welcome. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 1 16:50:03 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 01:50:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> <001801c53710$78f56640$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000801c5371d$e95de030$fa4c1152@no1> Sorry Guys I forgot to post the picture. http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/311361423vuKAMc Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Anger" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > > > > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the > key is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as > previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > > Larry Anger. > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > > finish taking it apart. > > I've welded on it, no luck. > > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > > close enough. > > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill > > > Well said George. > > > Keith > > In the past I have welded a cheap short drill to an extension rod to do jobs like this. > Sometimes even boring the end of the rod on the lathe to accept the drill then silver > soldering the joint to keep it perfectly parallel. > I just looked in the workshop & found a quickly extended drill. > I cannot remember what for but it must have worked. > (I would have thrown it away otherwise.) 8^) > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 1 16:49:52 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:49:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: Message-ID: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> Grumpy George, This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it is a forum of friends. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Fooled again > > Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > > Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > > Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure > a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't > need to be discussing that here. > > Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission > problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > > Maybe this is the French car forum. > > Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > > Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > > Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > > Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings > are about! > > What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings > here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > > I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess > where I post it? > > I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is > a fishing forum I post to. > > I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I > belong to. > > When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > > I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where > people love to trade their stories and problems. > > (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is > kicking in!) > > I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an > engine problem. > > (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a > few sentences ago) > > I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents > in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least > the majority of their postings are on topic. > > I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a > goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique > engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm > taking. > > Grumpy George > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Apr 1 17:13:59 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:13:59 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start In-Reply-To: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050401170945.02764ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 04:45 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > I am in the process of building a pony motor start >mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp >Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What >should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking >about 70 rpm. > Other suggestions are also welcome. > >Bob Willman >The Eagle's Anvil >Bowling Green, Ohio >WB8NQW Bob, Just as a data point since it is not the same engine, the air start system on the 2 cylinder 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE I work with runs it at about 80 rpm. Engine speed is about 300 rpm when running. Regards, Larry _______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 1 17:22:35 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 19:22:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again / 2nd Baker Monitor request. References: <424D9FC6.4020605@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050401171049.0266e108@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00e101c53722$7833bec0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> which alter ego you want ? Anyone know his email addy? > >Curt Holland > >Gastonia, NC From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 1 17:30:49 2005 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 20:30:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Gib Key Drilling Simpliefied Message-ID: <000001c53723$9b2eb640$6401a8c0@TBerry> The way I have used in my shop is to purchase a 8-12 inch drill bit the same diameter as the width of the Key.place the drill in the keyway and secure with two worm gear hose clamps installed snug but not tight. Attach drill motor ,oil clamps anddrill away . Besure to buy an aircraft drill because they only have about 2-3 inches of flute even on a 12" drill . Because of the short flute the drill will stay in the keyway groove and not damage the shaft or flywheel. Happy drilling.Tommy Berry From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 1 18:04:06 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:04:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Latest Update on the Bessemer Half-Breed Message-ID: <20050401.211045.1020.0.jlb94@juno.com> Holly Cow, Arnie When Craig's done she will be like new - - - Or better. Better not get on with both feet. ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 1 18:09:33 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:09:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <20050401.211045.1020.1.jlb94@juno.com> C'mon Grumpy - At least we're talkin' about something. I know it may not interest the majority - But there are times like this. The delete key is to the right of | \ I think Rick said it best - This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it is a forum of friends. Rick Thanks Rick - Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 1 18:11:52 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:11:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] semi-OT: oil drain plug ideas Message-ID: <20050402021152.70976.qmail@web52710.mail.yahoo.com> Wow! There sure were some good educational stories about oil drain plugs! My old 1972 Caterpillar D4D tractor has both an oil pan drain valve and a plug to seal it off. The plug is a one-inch cast iron pipe plug with an itty-bitty 5/8-inch square wrench grip to turn it, which won't transfer enough torque to damage the threads because the corners will become rounded over before that point. The same kind of idea needs to be used for automobile drain plugs to prevent damaged threads. A very large diameter plug with a very long thread engagement and very small head, say 5/8-inch diameter bolt by 3/4" long thread reach with a 1/2-inch hex head (16mm dia x 20mm long and 12mm hex), would be ideal to keep from getting damaged threads. The plug would also need a guide nose to keep the plug from being inserted cross-threaded, with a large round shoulder under the hex to take the bite of a chisel point to unscrew it with a hammer and chisel in case it somehow got too tight. To prevent a gorilla with a wrench from destroying drain plug threads, I have often thought about designing another kind of drain plug with a free-turning wrench grip with an ordinary 1/8-inch cotter pin through it to act as a shear pin. If a wrench-wielding gorilla tightens it too hard then the pin simply shears, which can be easily replaced with another ordinary mild steel cotter pin. In case it is stuck then a piece of 1/4-inch steel rod or drift punch tip can be inserted into a blind hole to lock it up to unscrew it. The unscrewing pin hole would need to be blind to keep the stupid wrench-bearing gorilla from leaving a 1/4-inch pin through it permanently, which would defeat the purpose of having a protective shear pin. If you look at new car 50,000-70,000 mile warranties, the oil drain plug is mentioned specifically as a non-covered item! Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 1 18:30:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:30:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start In-Reply-To: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050401212534.026ae148@mail.alltel.net> At 07:45 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > I am in the process of building a pony motor start >mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp >Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What >should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking >about 70 rpm. > Other suggestions are also welcome. >Bob Willman Hi Bob, Why on earth do you need a "pony motor" to start this engine. If things are set up properly you should be able to start it by yourself with little or no problem. If things are not set up properly why not see that they are? I guarantee you the man who used it on an oil lease started it by himself. Dave From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 18:36:12 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:36:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c5372c$c2a37c70$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Personally, I enjoy many of the off topic threads. It gives us all a little better perspective on list members other activities. It sure beats the devil out of all those fence comments! Anyway, Brookville,Indiana swap meet is tomorrow. Lot's of old treasures just laying out in the open waiting for us old iron lovers to pick up, ponder, and maybe even spin a flywheel or two. Wow, hope none of my engine buddies asks me a computer question while I am concentrating strictly on old iron! By the way George, if you don't like deleting them a message at a time, try holding the shift key down while moving the mouse down over many messages, then click the mouse again at the last message you want deleted. Then, hit the delete key. Much quicker that way! Now, I can't figure out is this on topic or off topic? Maybe a little of both. Is that ok? Wonder if anything will follow me home from the swap meet tomorrow? Chuck Emsweller Rushville, Indiana -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 6:24 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Not just me. You'd be surprised how many off list messages I've received from people that felt the same way but didn't want to post it. I have no problem with some off topic stuff, but when the majority of the postings are off topic the list suffers. Over the years we've lost a lot of people that used to post but got tired of using the delete key. Post all the Listeroid messages you want, but until you belt it up to the Hammond I'd rather not hear about it ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > John Culp > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:32 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic > > Just to let y'all know, Ken's Off Topic List is alive and > well. I've already posted on it. Gonna make George Best a > happy man! :-D > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 1 18:41:55 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 19:41:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, I will have to disagree with you on this. This is supposed to be a stationary engine list. I consider many on the list friends even though I have never met them in person, but there are limits. I counted 41 replied to the oil pan issue in two days. Even worse is that the original question moved on to oil change intervals, and then to bashing mechanics. The OT computer question turned into a pissing match over operating systems. George said it well. There are forums dedicated to all of this OT stuff. I don't mind the occasional OT question, and will answer off list if I can help. If it is not in the general interest of stationary engines, it should not be replied to on the list. That's my last comment on this. I'll see how the next few days play out. For all the list I have found some great sites for your interests. http://www.hammond-organ.com/ http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=americanmotors;action=list http://www.dslreports.com/ Jeff Allen PS. Sigh, looks like goodbye. Two more off topic bullshit messages as I wrote this. Tod Engine wrote: > Grumpy George, > > This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version > of the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be > about engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But > foremost it is a forum of friends. > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:19 PM > Subject: [SEL] Fooled again > > >> >> Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >> Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >> Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >> a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >> need to be discussing that here. >> >> Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >> problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >> Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >> Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >> Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >> are about! >> >> What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >> here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >> I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >> where I post it? >> >> I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >> a fishing forum I post to. >> >> I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >> belong to. >> >> When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >> I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >> people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >> (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >> kicking in!) >> >> I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >> engine problem. >> >> (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >> few sentences ago) >> >> I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >> in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >> the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >> I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >> goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >> engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >> taking. >> >> Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 20:48:33 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:48:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160504012048336c83c@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 3:41 AM, Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi Rick, > > I will have to disagree with you on this. This is supposed to be a > stationary engine list. I consider many on the list friends even though > I have never met them in person, but there are limits. I counted 41 > replied to the oil pan issue in two days. Even worse is that the > original question moved on to oil change intervals, and then to bashing > mechanics. The OT computer question turned into a pissing match over > operating systems. George said it well. There are forums dedicated to > all of this OT stuff. I don't mind the occasional OT question, and will > answer off list if I can help. If it is not in the general interest of > stationary engines, it should not be replied to on the list. That's my > last comment on this. I'll see how the next few days play out. For all > the list I have found some great sites for your interests. > > http://www.hammond-organ.com/ > > http://www.ringsurf.com/netring?ring=americanmotors;action=list > > http://www.dslreports.com/ > > Jeff Allen > PS. Sigh, looks like goodbye. Two more off topic bullshit messages as I > wrote this. Hopefully ALL those guys who complained about the LACK of posts so many times when things did get quiet will now come forward and fill the list with on-tpoic stuff ??? Similarly those now complaining that there are too many OT posts will do the same ??? I think not, history will repeat itself. There are lurkers and there are posters. It's no good sitting back and expecting everyone else to do the work, if there are no posts there is no List. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 20:49:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:49:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f602516050401204975f9203b@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 1:49 AM, Tod Engine wrote: > Grumpy George, > > This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of > the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about > engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it > is a forum of friends. > > Rick Thanks, Rick, nice to see a couple of folks have their heads screwed on right here. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 1 22:56:45 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:56:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> Hey Jeff, I have been on this list for a few years now. This happens about several times a year and people threaten to leave and sometimes do. As you noticed, they are still here. I even got a off list reprimand from one of the members years ago when he thought I should hold back if I wasn't absolutely sure about what I was saying. He is still here and so am I. On a different note, I hauled out my Massey Harris yesterday and after a couple of cranks, if fired up and ran for a while before I had to get on with home stuff. Spring is almost here. Duncan Jeff Allen wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 1 22:59:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:59:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424E42B9.2040509@wightman.ca> Yawn.......................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Best, George wrote: > >Not just me. You'd be surprised how many off list messages I've >received from people that felt the same way but didn't want to post it. > >I have no problem with some off topic stuff, but when the majority of >the postings are off topic the list suffers. Over the years we've lost >a lot of people that used to post but got tired of using the delete key. > >Post all the Listeroid messages you want, but until you belt it up to >the Hammond I'd rather not hear about it ;-) > >George > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 15:03:15 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 09:03:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: spot on George i use this method as well it has never failed me. I also use a g clamp if tab is still on the key, by clamping the g clamp on top fo the key and using a tapered wedge the wedge cant climb up the tab. Dave in oz >From: "Best, George" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] Gib key removal >Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:06:15 -0600 > >Paul, > >I'm sure that the drilling, tapping, pulling process will work but it >also is more work than I think you need to do. > >I've had great luck in the past with a low tech homemade puller. > >I had a piece of round bar stock, 5/16" or 3/8" diameter should be fine. >I threaded one end so I could put a nut on it. > >If the key still has a tab on it, grind the tap off, then place the bar >stock on top of the key and weld it on. Find something heavy to slide >over the rod and put washers and a nut on the end to stop the weight. I >had a couple old lead weights (probably tire weights melted down) that >had been poured into a mold like a muffin. Took two of those weights >and drilled a hole in the center so they could slide on the rod. Used >some duct tape to keep the weights together. > >Sometimes it takes a couple attempts to get the rod to stay attached to >the key, but once you get it to stick, it will pull the key out. I've >done it several times and it should work for you. > >One of the good things about welding the rod to the key is that it puts >a lot of heat into the key which also helps to free it. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 2 00:47:22 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:47:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Completely OT: March, comes in like a? Message-ID: <20050402084722.67886.qmail@web52708.mail.yahoo.com> In like a lion, out like a lamb! That?s what they say about March. Except on the other side of the Equator in the south of Africa, where March comes in like an elephant and goes out like an aardvark. In India the elephants are a little smaller than the ones in Africa and they don?t even have aardvarks, so over there, despite being north of the Equator, it comes in like a tiger and goes out like a goat! But in Paraguay, it comes in like a rhea and goes out like a capybara. However, up in Alaska and down in Tierra del Fuego it never comes in at all. On the other hand, the opposite goes for Lichtenstein, where it never goes out! And everybody knows that in Oz it goes out like a kangaroo but immediately comes back in like an emu! Okay! Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From Bimjy at hotmail.com Fri Apr 1 18:33:04 2005 From: Bimjy at hotmail.com (Jim Hunter) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 21:33:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: On my tractor with oilfield engine I belt start the engine with hydraulics through the transmission. I barely roll the engine over fast enough to get cranked over TDC under compression. Guys who start oilfields by hand rock piston up against compression without cranking over TDC. I don't have tractor out of storage yet or I would measure belt pulley rpm. Guess I'm really not much help right now! Jim Hunter ----- Original Message ----- From: Blacksmith To: engines Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Pony Start I am in the process of building a pony motor start mechanism - friction drive to the flywheel - for my 25hp Superior type-C oil engine. My question is, " What should the starting flywheel speed be?" I am thinking about 70 rpm. Other suggestions are also welcome. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 02:26:30 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:26:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20050401132143.04251d50@mail.herculesengines.com> Message-ID: <424E7356.1060303@comcast.net> What if you have an antique vehicle, with the corresponding Antique Engine? But I see your point.Don't talk about the vehicle,just the engine and fuel system.No transmissions,tires, lug nuts, lighting,etc.I left out cooling.Surely cooling the engine is ok. Keith Kinney wrote: > Well said George. > Keith > > > At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: > >> >> Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >> >> Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >> >> Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >> a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >> need to be discussing that here. >> >> Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >> problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >> >> Maybe this is the French car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >> >> Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >> >> Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >> >> Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >> are about! >> >> What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >> here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >> >> I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >> where I post it? >> >> I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >> a fishing forum I post to. >> >> I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >> belong to. >> >> When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >> >> I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >> people love to trade their stories and problems. >> >> (Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >> kicking in!) >> >> I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >> engine problem. >> >> (actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >> few sentences ago) >> >> I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >> in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >> the majority of their postings are on topic. >> >> I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >> goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >> engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >> taking. >> >> Grumpy George >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From guitronics at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 02:28:46 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 05:28:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424E73DE.6040808@comcast.net> Darn it, I forgot.The antique vehicle's engine must be stationary.That leaves out the transmission,rear end,axles,suspension.........but it's OK to talk about the engine as long as the vehicle is not moving.....OK. Best, George wrote: > >Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. > >Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. > >Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >need to be discussing that here. > >Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. > >Maybe this is the French car forum. > >Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. > >Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. > >Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. > >Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >are about! > >What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? > >I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >where I post it? > >I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >a fishing forum I post to. > >I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >belong to. > >When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. > >I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >people love to trade their stories and problems. > >(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >kicking in!) > >I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >engine problem. > >(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >few sentences ago) > >I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >the majority of their postings are on topic. > >I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >taking. > >Grumpy George > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 1 13:48:06 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:48:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050401205620.7368.qmail@web51406.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2873.165.206.180.144.1112392086.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Unfortunately, it's a bit late now. I will still buy the longer bits - just because I really should have them! Bill > Bill - you need to get yourself some long series drill bits. Since the key > is so far from the end of the shaft you need to make up a guide as > previously mentioned and clamp it in the keyway near the flyeheel. > > Larry Anger. > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > I STILL can't get the key out of my extra sandwich crank/flywheel to > finish taking it apart. > I've welded on it, no luck. > I've tried drilling, but the shaft sticks out so far I can't get the drill > close enough. > It's drilled slightly off-center now, so seems I'm SOL. > Was watching the other discussion on the stuck key, but the shaft on that > one isn't in the way like it is this one. > Would be easier if the shaft didn't stick out 3 or 4" beyond the flywheel. > > Bill > >> Well said George. >> Keith >> >> >> At 12:19 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: >>> >>>Damn, I thought this was the stationary engine list. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Honda forum for discussing oil pan problems. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Hammond forum for discussing old organ problems. Sure >>>a lot of us have organ problems, but there's pills for that and we don't >>>need to be discussing that here. >>> >>>Maybe this is the Transmission forum for talking about transmission >>>problems and which sequence to use in shifting gears. >>> >>>Maybe this is the French car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the American muscle car forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the computer and software support forum. >>> >>>Maybe this is the wheel forum, as lug nuts seem to be a common topic. >>> >>>Must be all of the above, since that's what the majority of the postings >>>are about! >>> >>>What does it take to get you folks to post your engine related postings >>>here and go find the appropriate forums for all the off topic stuff??? >>> >>>I've got a turbo diesel pickup, and if I have a pickup problem guess >>>where I post it? >>> >>>I've like to fish, and if I have fishing questions or comments there is >>>a fishing forum I post to. >>> >>>I'd like to buy a fishing boat, and again I have a couple boat forums I >>>belong to. >>> >>>When I have computer or website problems, there's forums for that too. >>> >>>I would assume that almost any make of vehicle made has a forum where >>>people love to trade their stories and problems. >>> >>>(Maybe taking that double dose of old grouch pills this morning is >>>kicking in!) >>> >>>I've been thrilled that Paul has a gibb key problem! At least he has an >>>engine problem. >>> >>>(actually the pills kicked in so well, I had to reboot this computer a >>>few sentences ago) >>> >>>I'd complain about the Aussie's too, except I like reading their accents >>>in the postings ;-) I may not be a fan of Aussie engines, but at least >>>the majority of their postings are on topic. >>> >>>I think if some of you tried to get back on topic again and maybe had a >>>goal of making half your postings engine related (that's antique >>>engines, not vehicles) I could cut down on all the medications I'm >>>taking. >>> >>>Grumpy George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 2 02:56:27 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:56:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy all, I know that this is not much of an engine question but it is info that I would like to know as I kick around ideas for putting together a buzz saw rig. Does anybody know the weight of a 4 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? What about a 6 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? The reason for the question is looking at the logistics of what I can handle. My thinking at this point is to mount a Famous on a Hercules straight frame cart with a buzz saw table. If the weight difference between the 4 hp and 6 hp isn't too much, I may aim towards the 6 hp size. Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From cgandree at mchsi.com Sat Apr 2 03:43:57 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 11:43:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a supplier? thankyou in advance, Curt Andree From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 2 04:07:25 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:07:25 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question References: Message-ID: <000d01c5377c$8c454730$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Mike a quick look in the book says: 4 hp Famous less skids 1380. 6 hp Famous less skids 1920. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all, > > I know that this is not much of an engine question but it is info > that I would like to know as I kick around ideas for putting together > a buzz saw rig. Does anybody know the weight of a 4 hp screen cooled > IHC Famous? What about a 6 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? The reason > for the question is looking at the logistics of what I can handle. > My thinking at this point is to mount a Famous on a Hercules straight > frame cart with a buzz saw table. If the weight difference between > the 4 hp and 6 hp isn't too much, I may aim towards the 6 hp size. > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Apr 2 04:13:14 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 07:13:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <6f602516050401204975f9203b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002601c5377d$58b20ab0$a65bef18@pengy> Well at least that's how I always viewed this list and I've been here for nine years. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > On Apr 2, 2005 1:49 AM, Tod Engine wrote: >> Grumpy George, >> >> This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of >> the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about >> engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost >> it >> is a forum of friends. >> >> Rick > > Thanks, Rick, nice to see a couple of folks have their heads screwed > on right here. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sat Apr 2 04:41:28 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 07:41:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] An Interesting Discovery Message-ID: <005b01c53781$4a4e1ff0$a65bef18@pengy> I was over at the Tod Engine museum site yesterday working on our new "toy", the Allis Chalmers front end loader. At some point I walked over to the LP bedplate and something caught my eye on the inside of the casting in the conn rod sump pit. It appears that a moulder at the William Tod plant had scribed his initials, "W.E." in the mold before the casting was poured and his initials were cast into the bedplate. Seeing that really made me think about something that I don't normally think about, and that is the many people who labored long and hard to turn a pile of pig iron and scrap into a magnificent piece of steam machinery. I wonder who M.E. was? He obviously was a moulder. Did he speak english? How many engines did he help build? Did he live up the hill and walk over the Market Street bridge to work everyday? Or did he take the trolley? It was 1913 so his house probably had no electricity and no phone. One thing is for sure I'll bet that he had no idea that those initials would grace the last Tod rolling mill engines in existence and still be around 92 years later. Thanks M.E. for building us a good engine! Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 2 05:05:17 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:05:17 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing In-Reply-To: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > supplier? Hi Curt, Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you the perfect packing to match your exact application. www.mcmaster.com www.acdepuydt.com =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From don.h at wcoil.com Sat Apr 2 05:49:39 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:49:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Pony Start References: <013a01c5371d$4dc40b40$99611f40@ibm22761389857> Message-ID: <001901c5378a$d1398730$6400a8c0@shuttle> man BOB it would be more fun to have a shotgun start just like starting a pt-19 ?? w8zrz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 2 05:56:29 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:56:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <003801c5372c$c2a37c70$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <003801c5372c$c2a37c70$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <1112450189.424ea48d9f367@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Chuck, Another solution to George's concern is to take advantage of the OT or "Off Topic" in the subject line and automatically redirect those emails to either a Trash folder or an "Off Topic" folder if you think there might be something of interest for reading on a slow day. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting chuck emsweller : > By the way George, if you don't like deleting them a message at a time, > try holding the shift key down while moving the mouse down over many > messages, then click the mouse again at the last message you want > deleted. Then, hit the delete key. Much quicker that way! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 05:59:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:59:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing In-Reply-To: <200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504020559768f76b0@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 2:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > supplier? > > Hi Curt, > Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you > the perfect packing to match your exact application. > > www.mcmaster.com > > www.acdepuydt.com > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner No chance of getting a Teflon ring turned up to do the job? or even a high-temp O ring, the sort that are used for pushrod tubes on air-cooled engines? Just a thought as I sit here working on a Saturday...:-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 2 06:58:22 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:58:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question In-Reply-To: <000d01c5377c$8c454730$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <000d01c5377c$8c454730$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: >Hi Mike a quick look in the book says: >4 hp Famous less skids 1380. >6 hp Famous less skids 1920. John, Thanks a ton for the info!!!! Take care, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From svsuzanne at copper.net Sat Apr 2 08:01:10 2005 From: svsuzanne at copper.net (svsuzanne at copper.net) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 11:01:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing References: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><200504021305.j32D5KQT043285@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f6025160504020559768f76b0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c5379d$3202e1d0$d4248241@your6wz9c9s4x1> Any marine supply store has it. Or, West Marine .com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing > On Apr 2, 2005 2:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: >> > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type >> > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine >> > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a >> > supplier? >> >> Hi Curt, >> Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you >> the perfect packing to match your exact application. >> >> www.mcmaster.com >> >> www.acdepuydt.com >> >> =-=-=-=-=-= >> Rob Skinner > > No chance of getting a Teflon ring turned up to do the job? or even a > high-temp O ring, the sort that are used for pushrod tubes on > air-cooled engines? > > Just a thought as I sit here working on a Saturday...:-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005 > From ELIDAS at aol.com Sat Apr 2 09:24:59 2005 From: ELIDAS at aol.com (ELIDAS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:24:59 EST Subject: [SEL] semi-OT: oil drain plug ideas Message-ID: <1d5.39777b4b.2f802f6b@aol.com> In a message dated 4/1/2005 9:47:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, linstrum55 at yahoo.com writes: The same kind of idea needs to be used for automobile drain plugs to prevent damaged threads. Chrysler uses what appears to be a very soft plug. These plugs have the gasket built in. They strip out long before the pan threads are damaged. I'd like to think they did it on purpose. From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 10:59:48 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:59:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tulare Message-ID: Yes!!! Looking forward to it, but then I'm also in some ways looking more forward to the trip down. As usual I've got plans to visit several collectors on the way down. A new one this trip has over 200 engines and lives up in the gold country. See you at Tulare. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > rdhaskell at juno.com > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:46 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: Tulare > > Cheer up George. > Tulare is just 14 days away. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 11:08:33 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:08:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <1112450189.424ea48d9f367@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <000901c537b7$61f0a1b0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Good point Arnie! Quite a few engines at the Brookville swap meet today. Kind of surprised us being a cold rainy April day. Anyway, did pick up a nice little 1 1/2 horse Sandow upright engine. Life is good! Chuck -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of fero_ah at city-net.com Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:56 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] OT: Off Topic Hi Chuck, Another solution to George's concern is to take advantage of the OT or "Off Topic" in the subject line and automatically redirect those emails to either a Trash folder or an "Off Topic" folder if you think there might be something of interest for reading on a slow day. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting chuck emsweller : > By the way George, if you don't like deleting them a message at a time, > try holding the shift key down while moving the mouse down over many > messages, then click the mouse again at the last message you want > deleted. Then, hit the delete key. Much quicker that way! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 11:21:43 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:21:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: > This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an > online version of the conversation those friends have at > engine shows. It could be about engines, or other machinery > or something totally unrelated. But foremost it is a forum of friends. > > Rick Rick, I agree, we all talk about other topics. Nothing wrong with off topic postings, unless that is all a person contributes to the list. Some of us get tired when the vast majority of the postings are endless off topic discussions. George From mholland at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 2 13:08:47 2005 From: mholland at rustyiron.com (Missy Holland) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 14:08:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question Message-ID: Hi Mike, I checked orginial IHC literature and found the following saw rigs. 4 hp - 2835 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 6 hp - 3275 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 8 hp - 4040 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 10 hp - 4235 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler 12 hp - 4755 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler I hope this helps. Missy > Howdy all, > > I know that this is not much of an engine question but it is info > that I would like to know as I kick around ideas for putting together > a buzz saw rig. Does anybody know the weight of a 4 hp screen cooled > IHC Famous? What about a 6 hp screen cooled IHC Famous? The reason > for the question is looking at the logistics of what I can handle. > My thinking at this point is to mount a Famous on a Hercules straight > frame cart with a buzz saw table. If the weight difference between > the 4 hp and 6 hp isn't too much, I may aim towards the 6 hp size. > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 13:32:24 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:32:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this in your area. To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your engines/tractors. I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely don't even know about the regular shows. Any comments on parking lot shows? From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 13:41:42 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:41:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Message-ID: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul From junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca Sat Apr 2 14:20:56 2005 From: junkmeister2002 at yahoo.ca (Larry Anger) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 17:20:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050402222056.5170.qmail@web51410.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations Paul - I knew you could do it. Nexdt time it will be easier. Larry Anger. Paul Maples wrote: Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it! did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 14:22:18 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:22:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504022222.j32MMN3X074780@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> George, It might be a good opportunity to pick up some "Out of circulation iron". Cya at Turlare Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this in your area. To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your engines/tractors. I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely don't even know about the regular shows. Any comments on parking lot shows? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 04:20:47 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 05:20:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing References: <040220051143.27567.424E857D0004C1E100006BAF21979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: Curt; Maybe http://www.mcmaster.com/ around page 3240. I think you can punch that in in the window. Maybe just search packing and get all the results Didn't see teflon tho but they list PTFE RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type packing to rebuild > my > Stover model "C" 5hp engine fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > supplier? > thankyou in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 14:29:54 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:29:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! In-Reply-To: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 2, 2005 10:41 PM, Paul Maples wrote: > Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. > Paul Well done, Paul, glad it all worked out OK in the end :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 2 14:31:31 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:31:31 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! In-Reply-To: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200504022231.j32MVawI077530@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Paul,I missed the beginning so bear with me. Why are you going through this much work? Thanks ,Jimmy Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Paul Maples Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 1:42 PM To: Stationary Engine List Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 14:31:40 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 17:31:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC Famous Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <424F1D4C.6000805@scrtc.com> Wow Missy, a 12 HP saw rig could have whacked some big wood! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >I checked orginial IHC literature and found the following saw rigs. > >4 hp - 2835 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >6 hp - 3275 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >8 hp - 4040 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >10 hp - 4235 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler >12 hp - 4755 lb. with IHC straight frame cart & screen cooler > >I hope this helps. >Missy > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 2 15:16:27 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 00:16:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <001601c537da$0034b6a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows > Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is > something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this > in your area. > > To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall > show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your > engines/tractors. > > I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting > spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely > don't even know about the regular shows. > > Any comments on parking lot shows? Hi George, this reminds me of the hobby in England 20 years ago when we had quite a few Pub car park shows. I still remember running a Danish BLA 5HP engine all day. When I came to move it I found the Exhaust which was pointing downward had blown a large hole in the Tarmac. (Road surface) We packed up & left pretty sharp! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 16:10:20 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:10:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f001c537e1$881f7760$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Peter. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! > On Apr 2, 2005 10:41 PM, Paul Maples wrote: >> Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or >> crankshaft. > > > >> Paul > > Well done, Paul, glad it all worked out OK in the end :-)) > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 2 16:12:15 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:12:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001001c537e1$cbc9b390$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. Many, Many thanks to all of you who were patient with me, offered help, suggestions, and pictures and to those who were critical of me "Phooey on you" but I still love you. I was going to make a drill guide block but when I put the new 3/8" keystock in the crankshaft keyway I discovered that although the keyway was 3/8" wide the gib key was only 1/4" high at the end so had I center drilled the 3/8" drill guide block it would have drilled into the crankshaft. I decided to give a go at just free hand drilling the 1/8" hole through the center and go real slow and use a lot of "tap magic" lubricant. I was surprised how soft the key seemed to be as the drill just sailed through the keyway. I drilled approximately 3/4 of the way through the broken gib key with a 1/8" drill bit then I changed to a #7 drill bit and followed it through the 1/8" hole. I was going to tap the hole but discovered that the bottom of the hole was too close to the crankshaft and the tap would have touched off on the crankshaft so I gave up the idea of tapping. I figured the large hole through the gib key would at least relieve the side pressure on the gib key and apparently it did.. I then took a large nut that would screw onto the end of my slide hammer shaft (had matching threads), I found an old drill bushing in my tool box that was for a 1/4" drill (Super Lucky) here, I welded the drill bushing onto the large nut, I then dropped the 1/4" X 3" grade 8 bolt I had down through the drill bushing with the head being inside of the large nut and welded it onto the bushing. I then screwed the large bolt onto my slide hammer, gave it a sharp blow and noticed the gib key had moved about an 1/8", two more sharp blows and she was out. Am I ever happy. Go to my WebShots page and you can see some pictures of the tools and setup. http://client.webshots.com/photo/312061677/312074494etEtpf Again, thanks to everyone who encouraged me and provided so much help, I would not have done it without you. You guys make me proud to be a member of this List. Paul Hi Paul, Was the gib key parallel, with the taper in the flywheel boss as Roland Craven said on the English Engine List? Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From solarrog at pacbell.net Sat Apr 2 16:36:38 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:36:38 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com> <00f001c537e1$881f7760$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <003b01c537e5$3495fb10$bfcb7043@D6R3D961> But how do you really feel about that? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 16:49:41 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:49:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > George, It might be a good opportunity to pick up some "Out > of circulation iron". Cya at Turlare Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan Jimmy, That is kind of my thinking too ;-) At a parking lot show the majority of the people passing by would be there to go shopping and would normally never attend an engine show. The curiosity of something odd in the parking lot that others are looking at might draw them over and remind them of that old piece of junk uncle Joe has next to the barn. I would be surprised if you could put on a show without at least one person telling one of the exhibitors that they know the location of an engine. George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 2 16:53:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 16:53:23 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504030053.j330rQLA009197@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Any comments on parking lot shows? Hi George, I just walked in the door from the Highland Citrus Festival. Our display area was the parking lot of a church. Does this count as a "parking lot show?" There were food vendors, local businesses under canopies, service groups, etc. I really enjoy these types of shows because of the diversity of the spectators. They're just as impressed by a Maytag twin than they are a Stickney Jr. I brought out a FM Style D belted to a vacuum pump, which was attached to a milking machine. It was a lot of fun. When I get the pictures up, I'll post a link. Perhaps I can beat Ron Haskell to the punch, but don't count on it. That boy don't procrastinate. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Apr 2 16:53:50 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:53:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross Message-ID: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> To OZ members I have just been given a Southern Cross ET-B 2.5 HP Air Cooled (for overseas members) motor. Serial number is 43868. Any clues as to its age. I would have thought sometime from the 50's. Looks like I will need a few parts - know anybody who can help. Will try to have photo shortly. Ron From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 17:03:01 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:03:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <424F40C5.2010200@scrtc.com> Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of days? Just curious how things sold. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 2 17:31:26 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:31:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <004701c537cc$c447c0e0$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050402142949638a1b@mail.gmail.com><00f001c537e1$881f7760$230110ac@PAUL> <003b01c537e5$3495fb10$bfcb7043@D6R3D961> Message-ID: <012901c537ec$dcbbec80$230110ac@PAUL> Fantastic but I am going to get better....trust me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! > But how do you really feel about that? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 18:11:53 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 19:11:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cast iron wheels Message-ID: <424F50E9.2010108@earthlink.net> Hi all, This guy seems to have an endless supply of cast iron wheels and is selling them on E-bay. Several sizes and they always change. I have purchased two sets and no complaints. Check this link for one set and then look at sellers other items for more. Prices seem to be pretty good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63945&item=7504332387&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Jeff Allen From George_Best at adp.com Sat Apr 2 18:26:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:26:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > I really enjoy these types of shows because of the diversity > of the spectators. > They're just as impressed by a Maytag twin than they are a > Stickney Jr. I brought out a FM Style D belted to a vacuum > pump, which was attached to a milking machine. It was a lot of fun. > Rob Skinner Rob, That was one of the things I was thinking about parking lot shows. Since most of the spectators know nothing about the engines they will be impressed with anything running. From jimjirik at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 18:59:41 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:59:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00) Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <27418118.1112497181498.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Turner Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of days? Just curious how things sold. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tchristoff at earthlink.net Sat Apr 2 20:16:48 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:16:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <410-2200540341648453@earthlink.net> The Bauer sold for $5300. I was standing next to Wayne Walker when it sold. He told me that he really wanted it to bring at least $5000 and was happy when it did. Just about all the engines were pretty much in need of a lot of work in order to get them to run, most needed unstuck and parts and more parts. Seems that they went for more than they should have but that is only my opinion. The items that were sold on Friday were the line shaft parts and line shaft machines. This stuff was pretty much junk as none of them were complete and were all rusty. The best stuff he had was not for sale and or already moved to his new place. The 8 hp NB Fairbanks was about the most cobled up peice I seen there along with the wrong flywheels but still sold for about $3500. > [Original Message] > From: Jim Jirik > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/2/2005 9:01:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > > My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. > > Jim Jirik > Bonner Springs, KS > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tommy Turner > Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > > Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of > days? Just curious how things sold. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 2 20:21:07 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:21:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross References: 214555511 Message-ID: <10a601c53804$8eb2e300$0201010a@Portable> Ron,going by Rob Laurent's book "Southern Cross" your engine was made in late 1952. They were made drom 1951 to 1956. Yours should have a flat top piston where as the later ones from 55 on had a protusion on the crown. I have all the settings and data for it if you need it. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross To OZ members I have just been given a Southern Cross ET-B 2.5 HP Air Cooled (for overseas members) motor. Serial number is 43868. Any clues as to its age. I would have thought sometime from the 50's. Looks like I will need a few parts - know anybody who can help. Will try to have photo shortly. Ron _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Apr 2 20:35:39 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:35:39 EST Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question Message-ID: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far enough to see if there is compression. I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar engines, nothing exactly like this one. This one has an ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and overflow fuel return from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, since it was a water pumper. might have diverted some of the pumped water for cooling. You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. _Click here: You've Got Pictures_ (http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 20:36:07 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:36:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS In-Reply-To: <27418118.1112497181498.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <27418118.1112497181498.JavaMail.root@rizzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <424F72B7.2060806@scrtc.com> Jim, Thanks for the info. You mention Stickney Jr. Do you mean the 1 3/4 HP Stickney? That was the only Stickney engine advertised. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim Jirik wrote: >My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. > >Jim Jirik >Bonner Springs, KS > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tommy Turner >Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > >Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of >days? Just curious how things sold. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 2 21:15:01 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 00:15:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> References: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <424F7BD4.9020907@scrtc.com> Ron, I keep getting the message that the photos aren't there?? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, > >Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The >son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he >called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves >before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The >exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far >enough to see if there is compression. > >I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar engines, nothing >exactly like this one. This one has an ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and >overflow fuel return from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking >beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, since it was a >water pumper. might have diverted some of the pumped water for cooling. > >You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. > >_Click here: You've Got Pictures_ >(http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) > >Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 2 21:41:54 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:41:54 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross In-Reply-To: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> References: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <424F8222.80502@optusnet.com.au> Ron Page wrote: >To OZ members > >I have just been given a Southern Cross ET-B 2.5 HP Air Cooled (for overseas members) motor. Serial number is 43868. Any clues as to its age. I would have thought sometime from the 50's. Looks like I will need a few parts - know anybody who can help. Will try to have photo shortly. > >Ron >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > G'day Ron I have restored an ET-B (with help from Ray Freeman) so if I can be of any help give me a call. I am in Perth - where are you? I have a copy of the Instruction Manual which I purchased from Jeff Holley. It is Book 1083, and I think $10 covered cost and postage. This book has a list of part numbers and illustrations. The original colour is Indian red. Jeff's address is: 54 Adamson Tce, Bordertown SA 5268 and he is very helpful (and quick) to deal with. He had an article in TOMM on the larger 4 HP model ET-C in Feb-March 1999 which may be useful, as there was not much difference, just a bit smaller all over - same stroke (3.5") but bigger bore ( 3.375" against 2.75") Our engine has the piston with the protrusion which pokes up into the pre-combustion chamber and cut-away relief for the valves, so is an early model, but I do not have the engine number to hand. JW? From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 2 21:42:19 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 21:42:19 -0800 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures Message-ID: <20050402.214219.1020.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. Today our club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put on a small show in Highland CA. ( That is about as far North and East in the Los Angeles basin an you can go). Weather was about perfect, near 80? F, with light breeze. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31706982&f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Apr 3 05:00:33 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:00:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally Message-ID: <200504031200.j33C0k81064052@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I am home from a little 1200km weekend trip to attend the first rally held by the Wagga Wagga club. The rally was held in an excellent location on nice thick turf which is a nice change (given the drought). There was a nice line up of engines with everything from the Wagga club's giant lamp-start Robson, to a nice selection of IHC engines, a number of different Australs and lots of nice English, American and Australian engines. The rally was well organised and the club members were friendly and helpful and everyone had a great weekend. I caught up with quite a few engine friends and many lies were told ;) I took along my 5.5hp Buzacott and it performed flawlessly all weekend only stopping when intentionally shut down or when it eventually ran out of fuel. While down that way I dug my 4.5hp Massey-Harris out of my father's shed to finally bring it home. It had been stored for four years and started first pull! Yesterday it was 30c on the rally ground (it is autumn here) and today was almost as hot. A strong westerly today caused enormous dust clouds (a symptom of the drought) making it very hard to see on the roads and making a fine mess of my car and of the engines. The drive home was not fun :( I will have some pics up on my site later in the week but for now here is one for Reg: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wagga05/05040302.jpg Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Apr 3 06:47:18 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 08:47:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> References: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Message-ID: <424FF3E6.6040709@wightman.ca> Hi Ron, I get sent to an encripted page looking for a log in. Duncan MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: >Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, > >Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The >son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he >called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves >before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The >exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far >enough to see if there is compression. > >I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar engines, nothing >exactly like this one. This one has an ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and >overflow fuel return from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking >beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, since it was a >water pumper. might have diverted some of the pumped water for cooling. > >You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. > >_Click here: You've Got Pictures_ >(http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm&filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) > >Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? > >Regards, >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Peterwoodmore at aol.com Sun Apr 3 06:24:08 2005 From: Peterwoodmore at aol.com (Peterwoodmore at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:24:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally Message-ID: <53.24cc0b9e.2f814878@aol.com> In a message dated 3/04/2005 10:21:30 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > Hey Patrick where is his club badge and insurance card > Woody Peter Woodmore 27 Craig Ave Moorebank 2170 NSW Australia From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 07:28:03 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:28:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/2005 1:22:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << This is a forum of friends who collect engines. Its an online version of > the conversation those friends have at engine shows. It could be about > engines, or other machinery or something totally unrelated. But foremost it > is a forum of friends. > > Rick Thanks, Rick, nice to see a couple of folks have their heads screwed on right here. >> I will apologies for starting the Honda oil plug "OT" discussion and offending any of the folks on this list. But, I did make it "OT", and I was looking for some help/information from some of the many and varied experts on this list before I went to the Honda dealer raising cain! I did not start the topic just to get the list talking! I would also like to thank the list members for the many "OT" computer help discussions over the years. Being a computer illiterate usage person I have learned much from this group about computer tips/techniques/how to fix/etc. Were it not for these many "OT" computer discussions I might still be trying to figure out how to turn the thing on! Of course I have also learned much about a lot of topics related to the old engines. Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine related! Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 07:35:18 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:35:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question Message-ID: Ron, Would love to take a look at your pictures, but I can't view them. First of all, to view them you have to be logged in with a user id and password. I didn't have one, and there doesn't appear to be a way for a non AOL subscriber to get one. I think you need to give us your user id and password so we can view your pictures, or put them on one of the free services like Epson which anyone can view. George Ps. You can also email the pictures as attachments to: George_best at apd.com > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:36 PM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; oldengin at udata.com > Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question > > Hi All from Poverty Ridge West, > > Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas > engine. The son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with > father-in-law's funeral costs and he called me to help him > identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves > before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, > too. The > exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. > I did not turn far > enough to see if there is compression. > > I tried to identify it from the BYB, but only see similar > engines, nothing exactly like this one. This one has an > ignitor, no water pump, fuel pump and overflow fuel return > from mixer, is hit and miss, and is mounted on a walking > beam pump jack base. It might have been tank cooled, or, > since it was a water pumper. might have diverted some of the > pumped water for cooling. > > You should be able to see the engine in these pictures. > > _Click here: You've Got Pictures_ > (http://pak06.pictures.aol.com/NASApp/ygp/Login?event=ViewFilm > &filmId=57876.915.1112499778589.1&locale=en_US) > > Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I > offer in trade? > > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 07:39:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:39:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <1c1.25836a01.2f815a09@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2005 6:00:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << Any comments on parking lot shows? >> George Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at 5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the $10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 07:48:54 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:48:54 EDT Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! Message-ID: <1f0.392b139f.2f815c56@aol.com> In a message dated 4/2/2005 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: << Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or crankshaft. >> That is great news Paul. Way to go! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 3 07:59:40 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:59:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> >engines. > >Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine >related! >Thanks, >Tom Schmutz Hi Tom, If my count is accurate there are about 300 people on our List. Three of those people objected to the great amount of OT posts of late. That's 1%! (If I were a democrat pollster I would claim that therefore 99% support you.) Additionally, the objection(s) was (were) not about your original OT post, but rather the MANY replies that were nothing more than a very few people telling the world (over and over again) that ONLY they knew enough to properly change the oil in their car/truck. It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the answer is given that some others need always to chime in giving no additional information and adding nothing to the thread except their feeble attempt to show everyone how much they KNOW (or think they know) about the topic. It's really those inane comments that were being objected to, not your original post. Dave PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 08:15:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:15:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 3:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine > related! > > Thanks, > Tom Schmutz Or even woe be it... :-)) Tom: I don't think most folks really worry that much, and even George has his moments when he needs the occasional bit of help (as we all do) so don't worry too much about it. If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon dry up as we have seen before, and a little bit of slightly OT stuff causes no harm, especially when you see Professor Dave joining in! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 08:19:03 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:19:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! References: <1f0.392b139f.2f815c56@aol.com> Message-ID: <004e01c53860$7aaa6390$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Tom, without the help and encouragement of the List I probably would not have tried it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Petter Gib Key - Eureka!, Walla!, Bonzai!!! > In a message dated 4/2/2005 6:20:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net writes: > > << Unbelievable, the gib key is out and no damage to the flywheel or > crankshaft. >> > > That is great news Paul. Way to go! > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 08:22:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:22:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605040308227c20e634@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 3:35 PM, Best, George wrote: > Ron, > > Would love to take a look at your pictures, but I can't view them. > > First of all, to view them you have to be logged in with a user id and > password. I didn't have one, and there doesn't appear to be a way for a > non AOL subscriber to get one. > > I think you need to give us your user id and password so we can view > your pictures, or put them on one of the free services like Epson which > anyone can view. > > George George: There is a link on that initial signin box to create a new account, but having looked through the T&C's and knowing AOL's propensity for selling it's mailing list, I gracefully declined. Webshots is one of the free (up to a certain limit on size) display sites, Epson also do one, plus of course there is Oldengine.org for personal websites on engine stuff. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From christison at coastalnet.com Sun Apr 3 08:31:58 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> Hi Dave, I think you are right in that there are often many replies that are just rehashes of earlier ones. One reason might be that we aren't all getting our mail very promptly. Most of the posts I get are around a half hour getting to me. Sunny and windy in the swamps of NC. Ken > > Hi Tom, > It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the answer is given > that some others need always to chime in giving no additional information > > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! From MBellar at aol.com Sun Apr 3 08:46:51 2005 From: MBellar at aol.com (MBellar at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:46:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Rumely OilTurn Message-ID: <105.5e1fec50.2f8169eb@aol.com> Last fall I visited my FATG friend. He suggested that I might be interested in looking at a new pile of rusty iron setting on three pallets along side a huge cart. The only thing that I instantly recognized was the sheet metal from the exhaust vent that looked like it was from an OilPull tractor. He said to check out page 436 in the BRB. Sure enough, the the rusty pile assembled in my mind to fit Wendell's picture of a 30 HP Rumely OilTurn. Over the winter the crankshaft and camshaft was turned down, the cylinder resleeved along with refitting the piston, connecting rod and rod bearing. $$$$$. I think he said that the connecting rod was recast. The block and cart were cleaned up to look like new. About two weeks ago I helped pour thirty pounds of babbitt for the lower half of the mains and camshaft. The top half remain to be poured. A Machinist friend of his assembled four jigs that allowed him to place shafts in the block in place of the crank and camshaft for pouring. The jigs also formed dams so that side thrust edges of the bushings would be perfect. The machinist mentioned to me that the jig he built allowed him to adjust the crank to within 0.0001" perpendicular to the cylinder, and allowed him to accurately set the backlash for the cam gears. ----- More to follow as work progresses,---- One other quick taught. The FATG has an industrial powder coat oven that is big enough to park a tractor inside. Just in case any of you are interested in powder coating a large engine. In fact, we used the oven to heat the Rumely block prior to pouring the babbitt. Tom Bellar From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 09:01:52 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:01:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <19a.310266b1.2f816d70@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/2005 11:34:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon dry up as we have seen before >> I started to say something about the number of "OT" topics versus the engine related topics, but that would have been "OT" so decided against it. I personally think many of the OT topics spruce up the list discussions and if not for them it would completely die out. I do not join any other discussion sites due to being simple minded and only enough mental capacity to handle one and also the time involved. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 09:03:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:03:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 4:31 PM, Ken Christison wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I think you are right in that there are often many replies that are just > rehashes > of earlier ones. One reason might be that we aren't all getting our mail > very > promptly. Most of the posts I get are around a half hour getting to me. > > Sunny and windy in the swamps of NC. > > Ken Do you want to try Google Gmail?? I have a few Gmail invites that I can give out to people that I know. It is web-based, not an ISP, so as long as you have web access you can use it. I have been using it for a month or so, and it works pretty well for me as I flit from home to work and back, so I need a universal email source that is not ISP-specific. No Spam either as yet, although I don't go onto newsgroups with it like I do with my older email address. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 09:12:45 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:12:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> I have hesitated to add my two cents to the O.T. subject because, as you all know, I have been a heavy contributor to the O.T. posts. I was informed when I joined this list that it was made up of a wealth of different people who possessed different cultures, skills, and knowledge and knowing this I often tap into this resource to help me out in some day to day problem I have. We have Professors, Nuclear Engineers, Computer Specialist, Doctors, Electricians, Plumbers, Builders, Blacksmiths, Welders, Fabricators, Civil Servants, and many many, more. Never, and I repeat Never have I not received a response to an O.T. problem I was having and in 99% of the time the knowledge that exists on this list solved my problem. Far from separating me from the List this only endeared me more to it. Knowing that you have a cyber family of over 300 people with whom many will be there for you through thick and thin is comforting and reassuring to me. I, like others, feel that this List would suffer if we shut down all of the O.T. subjects, in other words turned our backs on our neighbors who were asking for our help. By preceding the Subject line with O.T. lets everyone know that it is an off-engine subject so if someone is not interested just don't open it. However, for me, and I am sure many more of you, I open and read everyone of them thinking just maybe there may be a time I can return the many favors of help that this list has so generously given me. Now is this response meant to run down the few folks who have just voiced their opposition to O.T. subjects.......NO....some of these same folks have helped this old man have a better day through their help and I am indebted to them and to them I now say "Thank You", you helped me when I needed it and this means as much to me as helping me with an engine problem. What person on this List would not help out his neighbor if they had a need and you had the means to help them, I don't mean letting someone use you just because you have a certain skill or have a local shop, I mean really helping someone who needed you. The greatest gratification I believe I have ever gotten out of life was when I made wooden crafts for three local Nursing Homes and donated them to the residents so that they could have something to do because I knew these folks could not return the favor, there is something in the human psyche that yearns to help his fellow man. So as Mr. Rotigel so aptly pointed out less than 1% of the folks see this as a problem which we can then surmise that 99% like and enjoy the opportunity to help others with their non-engine problems and I know, I just know, that these 1% folks would be one of the first to respond to someone on the list with an O.T. subject if they thought they could help........sure you would, you know why I know this? because you have helped me in the past with O.T. problems. So let's reunite our family and let everyone know that "Yes", this is an engine List, but we care about you past just our interest in engines and if we can help one another with a problem, help one another have a better day, bring a smile when there was a smirk, reassure someone who is in doubt, help someone enjoy life a little more because we were able to remove a worry they had......then by golly we are going to do it. Life is not a dress rehearsal, we get one shot at it and then we are gone, let's help one another as we make our first and final pass through life. For all of you who have helped me, and whom I know will continue to help me in the future, thank you and God Bless You, you did remove a worry I had, you did bring a smile to my face, you did help me get through a bad time, you did help my family by helping me solve a problem, you did reassure my faith in the human race and for this and much, much more, I will forever be indebted to you. I am done, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > On Apr 3, 2005 3:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > >> Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine >> related! >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Schmutz > > Or even woe be it... :-)) > > Tom: I don't think most folks really worry that much, and even George > has his moments when he needs the occasional bit of help (as we all > do) so don't worry too much about it. > > If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon > dry up as we have seen before, and a little bit of slightly OT stuff > causes no harm, especially when you see Professor Dave joining in! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Sun Apr 3 09:42:30 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:42:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- my 2 cents worth References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000e01c5386c$20eb4480$6401a8c0@BillyBob> as for the OT material, am i mistaken, but dont all computers have a "delete key " ??? bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Apr 3 09:57:44 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:57:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001301c5386e$43e27600$6086a5d8@mycomputer> Paul and All; I have been on list for around two years now and have seen lots of OT subjects , some had information I actually used and some I could care less about, I joined to learn about engines and repairing them and I must say most of the posts were helpfull , I like a little humor in my life and a few of you have forfilled that need (Dave) , If you want to post OT subjects fine I have no quips, just mark it Ot , and I will decide if I want to read or reply , This list MUST go on , Without it we will be just unknown engine geeks without a clue who Rob Skinner or Dave Rotigel are , So post your Ot's , vote for you politition , pray to your God and Fix your old engines , but let me know some of your old engine tricks Rex Hinz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment > I have hesitated to add my two cents to the O.T. subject because, as you all > know, I have been a heavy contributor to the O.T. posts. I was informed when > I joined this list that it was made up of a wealth of different people who > possessed different cultures, skills, and knowledge and knowing this I often > tap into this resource to help me out in some day to day problem I have. We > have Professors, Nuclear Engineers, Computer Specialist, Doctors, > Electricians, Plumbers, Builders, Blacksmiths, Welders, Fabricators, Civil > Servants, and many many, more. Never, and I repeat Never have I not > received a response to an O.T. problem I was having and in 99% of the time > the knowledge that exists on this list solved my problem. Far from > separating me from the List this only endeared me more to it. Knowing that > you have a cyber family of over 300 people with whom many will be there for > you through thick and thin is comforting and reassuring to me. I, like > others, feel that this List would suffer if we shut down all of the O.T. > subjects, in other words turned our backs on our neighbors who were asking > for our help. By preceding the Subject line with O.T. lets everyone know > that it is an off-engine subject so if someone is not interested just don't > open it. However, for me, and I am sure many more of you, I open and read > everyone of them thinking just maybe there may be a time I can return the > many favors of help that this list has so generously given me. Now is this > response meant to run down the few folks who have just voiced their > opposition to O.T. subjects.......NO....some of these same folks have helped > this old man have a better day through their help and I am indebted to them > and to them I now say "Thank You", you helped me when I needed it and this > means as much to me as helping me with an engine problem. > > What person on this List would not help out his neighbor if they had a need > and you had the means to help them, I don't mean letting someone use you > just because you have a certain skill or have a local shop, I mean really > helping someone who needed you. The greatest gratification I believe I have > ever gotten out of life was when I made wooden crafts for three local > Nursing Homes and donated them to the residents so that they could have > something to do because I knew these folks could not return the favor, there > is something in the human psyche that yearns to help his fellow man. > > So as Mr. Rotigel so aptly pointed out less than 1% of the folks see this as > a problem which we can then surmise that 99% like and enjoy the opportunity > to help others with their non-engine problems and I know, I just know, that > these 1% folks would be one of the first to respond to someone on the list > with an O.T. subject if they thought they could help........sure you would, > you know why I know this? because you have helped me in the past with O.T. > problems. > > So let's reunite our family and let everyone know that "Yes", this is an > engine List, but we care about you past just our interest in engines and if > we can help one another with a problem, help one another have a better day, > bring a smile when there was a smirk, reassure someone who is in doubt, help > someone enjoy life a little more because we were able to remove a worry they > had......then by golly we are going to do it. Life is not a dress rehearsal, > we get one shot at it and then we are gone, let's help one another as we > make our first and final pass through life. > > For all of you who have helped me, and whom I know will continue to help me > in the future, thank you and God Bless You, you did remove a worry I had, > you did bring a smile to my face, you did help me get through a bad time, > you did help my family by helping me solve a problem, you did reassure my > faith in the human race and for this and much, much more, I will forever be > indebted to you. > > I am done, > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > > > > On Apr 3, 2005 3:28 PM, Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > > >> Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine > >> related! > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tom Schmutz > > > > Or even woe be it... :-)) > > > > Tom: I don't think most folks really worry that much, and even George > > has his moments when he needs the occasional bit of help (as we all > > do) so don't worry too much about it. > > > > If the List was PURELY engine related stuff, then things would soon > > dry up as we have seen before, and a little bit of slightly OT stuff > > causes no harm, especially when you see Professor Dave joining in! > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 10:16:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:16:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again- O.T. comment In-Reply-To: <001301c5386e$43e27600$6086a5d8@mycomputer> References: <6f60251605040308156d62b396@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c53868$071d6b90$230110ac@PAUL> <001301c5386e$43e27600$6086a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <6f602516050403101622cad1c6@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 5:57 PM, Rex Hinz wrote: > Without it we will be just unknown engine > geeks without a clue who Rob Skinner or Dave Rotigel are > Rex Hinz Now THERE's an unholy alliance if ever there was one! :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From maytagtwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 11:37:33 2005 From: maytagtwin at aol.com (maytagtwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:37:33 -0800 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <200504031716.j33HGDpg022526@photo.epson.com> Hello! Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= Here is a message describing the photos: Hi All, Here are the pictures I tried to share on my AOL account. Maybe this will work better. Ron PS: Thanks for the Epson suggestion. PPS: How many Maytags should I offer him? You can also create your own photo album to share with family and friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html AOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser. Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of Epson PhotoCenter: - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TM http://photo.epson.com/ Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 10:13:58 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:13:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi George, Each year, in the first week of November, on a Saturday, Marshall County Antique Power Ass'n holds a Show & Swap in a parking lot on 13th Street. I think it's a city park. It is well attended and mostly intended for "engine people". The public is welcome but, usually, not too many public will show up. Just stragglers. The parking lot is at the end of the street along the river and about 2 blocks from the main street (Rt.2). There is also a pavilion where they cook food for sale. I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I attend on grass. One thing for sure - You ain't setting up on a hillside. Also - be careful NOT to take something that needs staked down and I don't imagine the holes in the asphalt are welcome. Good Luck - Hope you enjoy it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 10:51:18 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse, Barn Fresh.....a question In-Reply-To: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> References: <29.705ae654.2f80cc9b@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > Today I got my first call to go look at a barn fresh gas engine. The > son-in-law is planning to sell it to help with father-in-law's funeral costs and he > called me to help him identify the engine. I was careful to free the valves > before making any effort to turn the crankshaft. Good thing, too. The > exhaust was stuck but soon loosened and the engine is free. I did not turn far > enough to see if there is compression. > Now for my question, just how many Maytag engine should I offer in trade? This is a trick question, right? ALL OF 'EM!! Actually, it does depend on how much they weigh and the current price for aluminum. 8-)) Seriously, I hope that you're going to make a "friend of the family" offer rather than let the engine be thrown to the dogs of eBay! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - NICE engine!! 8-)) PPS - You do realize that AOL is the "Maytag" of ISPs doncha? From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 10:52:02 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:52:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: Hi Tom, We are all (at least I am) waiting to hear the response of your Honda Dealer when you lay out to him your request for a new oil pan at his expense. Ron From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 11:11:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:11:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2005 1:55:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maytagtwin at aol.com writes: << Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= >> Ron, Looking at the "100 years of Fairbanks Morse" book, your engine looks like the "Fairbanks Morse Vertical Engine" sold from around 1898 thru 1908, but that is only a guess. I would be of the opinion that many, many Maytags would be a great trade. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 11:18:56 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: AND as a bonus, Google reads every single one of your emails so that ALL of the adverts you see are targeted to YOUR needs and interests. And it keeps your email forever so that it can learn more about you as time passes. Isn't that special? And they assure you that humans never read your email (no matter how interesting it is) and they never sell any info about you to advertisers (no matter HOW specific the profile is that they develop from all of your email). Its just so wonderful, it makes me all warm and tingly... Well, they don't do all of those nasty privacy-invading things except under "some" circumstances. But they carefully obscure just exactly what they are. Trust them. They just want to help... 8-)) http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about_privacy.html See ya, Arnie PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Do you want to try Google Gmail?? From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 3 11:19:05 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:19:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <200504031716.j33HGDpg022526@photo.epson.com> References: <200504031716.j33HGDpg022526@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <42503399.2050600@scrtc.com> Ron, Not a bad hunk of iron there. Its an early one as evidenced by the patent dates on the tag and the hot tube set up on the side of the engine. In my opinion, it would be worth a bunch of Maytags. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY maytagtwin at aol.com wrote: >Hello! > >Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= > >Here is a message describing the photos: > >Hi All, >Here are the pictures I tried to share on my AOL account. Maybe this will work better. >Ron >PS: Thanks for the Epson suggestion. >PPS: How many Maytags should I offer him? > > > >You can also create your own photo album to share with family and >friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. >http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html > >AOL Users: >Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the >links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into >your web browser. > Click here > > > >Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of >Epson PhotoCenter: > >- Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! > >- Share your photos and photo albums online with family and >friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. > >And that's just the beginning. > >Changing the picture of photography.TM >http://photo.epson.com/ > >Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 3 11:37:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:37:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > That was one of the things I was thinking about parking lot shows. > Since most of the spectators know nothing about the engines > they will be impressed with anything running. Hi George, I just finished the pictures for the club's web page. You can see them at http://wapa.us/shows/highland05 Apparently the best part of "community" engine shows has gone right over your head. You'll slap yourself for not thinking of it. And Kathy will slap you upside the head after you do think of it. First, visualize the average engine show... engines, putrid odor of stale fuel, disheveled engine guys wandering around belching.. dust, grime, filth. Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg Enjoy! Rob From k6mw at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 3 11:57:44 2005 From: k6mw at sbcglobal.net (k6mw) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 11:57:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <42503CA8.9010901@sbcglobal.net> Rob- The Girl Scout uniforms are certainly different in your part of the state! It's apparent that the SFO bay area girls need some upgrading.... Mike Rob Skinner wrote: >>That was one of the things I was thinking about parking lot shows. >>Since most of the spectators know nothing about the engines >>they will be impressed with anything running. >> >> > >Hi George, >I just finished the pictures for the club's web page. You can see them at >http://wapa.us/shows/highland05 > >Apparently the best part of "community" engine shows has gone right over your >head. You'll slap yourself for not thinking of it. And Kathy will slap you >upside the head after you do think of it. > >First, visualize the average engine show... engines, putrid odor of stale fuel, >disheveled engine guys wandering around belching.. dust, grime, filth. > >Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri >wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake >sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating >cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the >experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." >http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg > >Enjoy! >Rob > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Apr 3 12:03:09 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 12:03:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com><6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002201c5387f$c8508790$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Whoa!! An engineer quoting Shakespeare on Sunday Morning. BTW is this Off Topic? Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net > See ya, Arnie > > PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. > "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." > From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 12:09:04 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:09:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <6b.426af68e.2f819950@aol.com> Hi Tommy, I didn't recognize the hot tube and am still not clear about it. There is, on the off side of the engine near the head a dome with holes which I took to be the mixer and the holes are for air intake. Is the hot tube the little stub that comes out and bends down on the front of the engine at about the same height as the ignitor? Thank you. Ron In a message dated 4/3/2005 1:52:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Ron, Not a bad hunk of iron there. Its an early one as evidenced by the patent dates on the tag and the hot tube set up on the side of the engine. In my opinion, it would be worth a bunch of Maytags. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 12:13:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:13:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 7:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > AND as a bonus, Google reads every single one of your emails so that ALL > of the adverts you see are targeted to YOUR needs and interests. And > it keeps your email forever so that it can learn more about you as > time passes. Isn't that special? And they assure you that humans never > read your email (no matter how interesting it is) and they never sell any > info about you to advertisers (no matter HOW specific the profile is that > they develop from all of your email). Its just so wonderful, it makes me > all warm and tingly... Well, they don't do all of those nasty > privacy-invading things except under "some" circumstances. But they > carefully obscure just exactly what they are. Trust them. They just want > to help... 8-)) > > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html > http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about_privacy.html > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. > "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." > From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) > > Arnie Fero Well, that's one way of looking at it...:-)) Yes, you can keep ALL your old emails and never throw them away, but I only keep relevant stuff that is engine-list related, and most of that which I have no need for is deleted, much to the annoyance of Gmail which chideth me greatly for not using the 1gb of free storage space that they have placed at my disposal. Yes, there are targetted TEXT ads on the right-hand side of the screen, but I have not noticed them to be honest, other than to look at them occasionally to see how accurate the adverts are compared with what the email is about. Privacy went out the window with email as far as I am concerned, so I don't use email for anything remotely sensitive, like Dave really being a Liberal Democrat after all... and it's not a big issue for me personally, it may be for others. When you consider how long other bits of info about you are sold by your bank, building society, local council and so on, it just isn't a factor any more in what I choose to use. I think there is a bit of paranoia over privacy matters, but I can live with that if you can... Tulare ????????????? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 12:20:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, THANKS for a lovely view of what life is like where it's warm and sunny. Quite a difference from the 'burgh where we've got ~4" of sneaux on the ground!! I really liked Merle's drill press setup. I think I need to copy that with one of my post drills. Were folks allowed to try out Leroy's "leopard skin massager"? It seems like the sort of thing you'd invite "balloon girl" to experience. 8->>> And with THAT pleasant thought, let me say that you've captured the spirit and pleasure of "parking lot shows" PERFECTLY!! See ya, Arnie On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > I just finished the pictures for the club's web page. You can see them at > http://wapa.us/shows/highland05 > > First, visualize the average engine show... engines, putrid odor of stale fuel, > disheveled engine guys wandering around belching.. dust, grime, filth. > > Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri > wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake > sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating > cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the > experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." > http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 3 12:20:41 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:20:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001c01c53882$3aed47a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Parking lot shows Snip > Now I'll explain the way we do it in California. Soothing aroma of potpourri > wafting from the incense booth, tasty pie and cookies from the Girl Scouts' bake > sale, flowers blooming on a pleasant spring day, laughter of children eating > cotton candy, balloons floating on a gentle breeze. The whole spirit of the > experience has been captured in a photograph that I've titled "Balloons." > http://wapa.us/shows/highland05/balloons.jpg > Enjoy! > Rob Hi Rob, Girl Guides certainly seem to look better in California than they do over here! 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Apr 3 12:21:45 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:21:45 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <005801c53882$603bc180$3775833e@harryp1811> We have many parking lot / shopping mall shows here. Some are great, some are not, it very much depends what kind of public comes in that area. We have 2-3 shows that we really don't want to miss, and yes we get many questions of people that have really no idea what we are showing. Of course the hit&miss engines get allot of coments, because most people don't understand why it's running like that. I hope you get allot of positive feedback from the spectators. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows > Next month I'll be participating in my first parking lot show. This is > something new for me, but maybe some of you have already been doing this > in your area. > > To me a "Parking lot show" is probably somewhat like a "shopping mall > show", except being in the parking lot you get to run your > engines/tractors. > > I can see where a parking lot show might be fun since you'll be getting > spectators that have no idea what our hobby is about and most likely > don't even know about the regular shows. > > Any comments on parking lot shows? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 12:36:55 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 15:36:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <20050403.154406.908.2.jlb94@juno.com> Tom, Include me in on this request. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:52:02 EDT MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: > Hi Tom, > We are all (at least I am) waiting to hear the response of your > Honda Dealer > when you lay out to him your request for a new oil pan at his > expense. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 3 13:22:24 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks." 8-)) As to "deleting" your email... You must have missed this little bit from Big Brother Google... "... email may remain on our systems for some time, even after you have deleted messages from your mailbox or after the termination of your account." The info is just TOO useful to them to simply let it go off into the electronic bit bucket." Even if YOU no longer have a use for it. But I'm sure they'll treat you and your "deleted" info with all the sensitivity that you hope they will. 8-))))) See ya, Arnie PS - Dave's a liberal democrat huh? 8-)) PPS - Tulare ain't gonna be in the cards this year. 8-((( On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Well, that's one way of looking at it...:-)) > > Yes, you can keep ALL your old emails and never throw them away, but I > only keep relevant stuff that is engine-list related, and most of that > which I have no need for is deleted, much to the annoyance of Gmail > which chideth me greatly for not using the 1gb of free storage space > that they have placed at my disposal. > > Yes, there are targetted TEXT ads on the right-hand side of the > screen, but I have not noticed them to be honest, other than to look > at them occasionally to see how accurate the adverts are compared with > what the email is about. > > Privacy went out the window with email as far as I am concerned, so I > don't use email for anything remotely sensitive, like Dave really > being a Liberal Democrat after all... and it's not a big issue for me > personally, it may be for others. > > When you consider how long other bits of info about you are sold by > your bank, building society, local council and so on, it just isn't a > factor any more in what I choose to use. > > I think there is a bit of paranoia over privacy matters, but I can > live with that if you can... From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 14:03:57 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:03:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: References: <410-22005403153158562@coastalnet.com> <6f60251605040309034deebdd9@mail.gmail.com> <6f60251605040312136e488864@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605040314035fe2f206@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 3, 2005 9:22 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > "The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks." 8-)) > > As to "deleting" your email... You must have missed this little bit from > Big Brother Google... "... email may remain on our systems for some > time, even after you have deleted messages from your mailbox or after the > termination of your account." At least they declare it, which is a lot more than other email handlers like Microsoft and a couple of the big US ISP's. I'm not flying the flag for Gmail, but it works for me and I have no problems with it, yet... > The info is just TOO useful to them to simply let it go off into the > electronic bit bucket." Even if YOU no longer have a use for it. > > But I'm sure they'll treat you and your "deleted" info with all the > sensitivity that you hope they will. 8-))))) I'm sure too! :-)) > See ya, Arnie > > PS - Dave's a liberal democrat huh? 8-)) You heard it here first.... > PPS - Tulare ain't gonna be in the cards this year. 8-((( That's a shame, it's a nice show and well worth the travel to see it. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 14:33:07 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:33:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my > experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many > years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and > one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. > It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at > 5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great > time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the > $10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, > meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess > who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? > > Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. > > Tom Schmutz Tom, Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? George From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 3 14:47:35 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:47:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <26fbf2618aef34eef5a855457dc16ee6@chartertn.net> Didn't know you were into that, Joe. Lots of folks at engine shows settle for a Coke or perhaps a beer now and then. On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I attend on > grass. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 3 14:54:09 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:54:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: "Balloon Girl" would likely like to try her foot at starting a colorfully painted Maytag, (other than the cute paint job) like the one her great-grandma washed clothes with. That's been a draw for the young ladies in the past at the Asheville show. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Apr 3 14:58:13 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:58:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > Hi George, > > Each year, in the first week of November, on a Saturday, Marshall > County > Antique Power Ass'n holds a > Show & Swap in a parking lot on 13th Street. I think it's a city park. > It is well attended and mostly intended for "engine people". > The public is welcome but, usually, not too many public will show up. > Just stragglers. > The parking lot is at the end of the street along the river and about 2 > blocks from the main street (Rt.2). > > There is also a pavilion where they cook food for sale. > > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I attend on > grass. > One thing for sure - You ain't setting up on a hillside. > > Also - be careful NOT to take something that needs staked down and I > don't imagine the holes in the asphalt are welcome. > > Good Luck - Hope you enjoy it. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 14:58:35 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:58:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: Ron, Thanks for loading the pictures on Epson! Makes it a lot easier for people to view them. Looks like a nice find. A 1-1/2hp Jack of All Trades from the looks of it. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > maytagtwin at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:38 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks > > Hello! > > Ron Carroll has an online photo album for you to see at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4296109&a=31707430&pw= > > Here is a message describing the photos: From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Apr 3 15:02:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:02:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <425067F6.30000@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, It's really those inane comments that were being objected to, not your original post. You are 100% correct. I have no objection to OT questions. If I can help I usually do it off list. Now and then I do it on list if I think it may be of interest to others. Jeff Allen PS, My buddy who is also a professional mechanic like me and has actually worked on Honda's, says it is common for aluminum Honda pans to strip out. PPS, Dave's gonna rip me a new one for the above sentence. :-) Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> engines. >> >> Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other than engine >> related! >> Thanks, >> Tom Schmutz > > > Hi Tom, > If my count is accurate there are about 300 people on our > List. Three of those people objected to the great amount of OT posts > of late. That's 1%! (If I were a democrat pollster I would claim that > therefore 99% support you.) Additionally, the objection(s) was (were) > not about your original OT post, but rather the MANY replies that were > nothing more than a very few people telling the world (over and over > again) that ONLY they knew enough to properly change the oil in their > car/truck. > It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the answer is > given that some others need always to chime in giving no additional > information and adding nothing to the thread except their feeble > attempt to show everyone how much they KNOW (or think they know) about > the topic. It's really those inane comments that were being objected > to, not your original post. > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 3 15:29:44 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:29:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: Thanks Dave. You're right that I wasn't objecting to any particular person or posting. I just listed some of the recent off topic discussions as an example of what SEL has become. Dolly is the "flame mistress" and in the past has had to step in to cool things down when some discussions got a bit heated. Although I don't like doing it, I take on the role of "grumpy George" when the off topic discussions reach a point where off topic is the norm and engine related postings are few and far between. Over the years I've posted off topic messages, I even read most off topic messages until they deteriorate into mindless me-too postings. I don't want 100% engine talk 100% of time. I'd just like it kept to some level where the serious engine guys stick around and don't keep dropping out when they tire of the off topic noise level. George Ps. Dave your figures aren't really correct. I got more than 3 off line messages in support ;-) A case could also be made that all the people that have simply dropped off the list should be counted as votes for less off topic messages. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Rotigel > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Fooled again > > > >engines. > > > >Whoa be it to me to ever again bring up any subjects other > than engine > >related! > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz > > Hi Tom, > If my count is accurate there are about 300 people > on our List. > Three of those people objected to the great amount of OT > posts of late. > That's 1%! (If I were a democrat pollster I would claim that > therefore 99% support you.) Additionally, the objection(s) > was (were) not about your original OT post, but rather the > MANY replies that were nothing more than a very few people > telling the world (over and over again) that ONLY they knew > enough to properly change the oil in their car/truck. > It seems to me that when an OT post occurs and the > answer is given that some others need always to chime in > giving no additional information and adding nothing to the > thread except their feeble attempt to show everyone how much > they KNOW (or think they know) about the topic. It's really > those inane comments that were being objected to, not your > original post. > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From oldengin at udata.com Sun Apr 3 15:58:57 2005 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 18:58:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42507531.40400@udata.com> Best, George wrote: > > > >>Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my >>experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many >>years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and >>one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. >>It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at >>5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great >>time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the >>$10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, >>meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess >>who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? >> >>Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. >> >>Tom Schmutz >> >> > >Tom, > >Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? > >George > > > > George, YES I HAVE! nothing real odd, like a Otto. But the ones that we have gotten and did not want went off to someone who did want them and I feel I saved them from the junk of someday. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jimjirik at earthlink.net Sun Apr 3 16:02:27 2005 From: jimjirik at earthlink.net (Jim Jirik) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 18:02:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Message-ID: <18196068.1112569347287.JavaMail.root@skeeter.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Tommy, My mistake, yes I did mean the 1-3/4 HP Stickney. Jim Jirik Bonner Springs, KS -----Original Message----- From: Judge Tommy Turner Sent: Apr 2, 2005 11:36 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS Jim, Thanks for the info. You mention Stickney Jr. Do you mean the 1 3/4 HP Stickney? That was the only Stickney engine advertised. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jim Jirik wrote: >My Dad and I were at the auction in Lawrence today. All of the engines sold today the other two days were tools and such. The Stickney Jr sold for $9200. The Bauer sold for $4300. The gentleman sure made a lot of $$$$$ from his collection. One oiler sold for $600!! There were many others selling from $120-$200. The were a lot of Webster mags that sold for around $175. This guy had a huge collection of engines, but didn't seem to care about making any of them run. Of the entire lot, I think there were only 2 that were in running condition. > >Jim Jirik >Bonner Springs, KS > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tommy Turner >Sent: Apr 2, 2005 7:03 PM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Auction in Lawrence KS > >Did anyone attend the auction in Lawrence, KS over the last couple of >days? Just curious how things sold. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 3 16:25:56 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:25:56 +0800 Subject: [SEL] McDonald engines References: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> 197362319 Message-ID: <008b01c538a4$7c6716d0$0201010a@Portable> I picked up two dismantled McDonald diesels on Saturday.Both are SPI's and hopefully all the bits are there. Does anyone have info on these? The serial number of one is 2087. I will need a book and any other relevant info available Ray Freeman _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Apr 3 17:28:38 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:28:38 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fooled again Message-ID: <196.3c334805.2f81e436@aol.com> In a message dated 04/03/2005 3:30:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: My buddy who is also a professional mechanic like me and has actually worked on Honda's, says it is common for aluminum Honda pans to strip out. My Northstar engine has a cast aluminum pan. However, the boys at GM used a helicoil in oil drain. I usually hand install and tighten the drain plug before putting a wrench on it. A friend (with a leaking drain plug) didn't realize that his GM car (with aluminum pan) had a helicoil and he tried to use an oversize self tapping drain plug. Needless to say, it didn't work as he broke off a piece of aluminum at the drain hole. We fixed the problem by installing a brass fitting (with a pipe plug) being held in place with JB Weld. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 3 18:01:01 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:01:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: In a message dated 4/3/2005 5:54:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? >> George, I have been a fortunate person over the years getting many leads, some leading to original off the farm engines. And yes, I have gotten leads at the car cruise-ins. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 18:51:28 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:51:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050403.215319.804.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi John, Ha Ha - Sometimes - The least suspected ~~~~ Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:47:35 -0400 John Culp writes: > Didn't know you were into that, Joe. Lots of folks at engine shows > settle for a Coke or perhaps a beer now and then. > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I > attend on > > grass. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Apr 3 18:51:28 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:51:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050403.220635.1292.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi John, Ha Ha - Sometimes - The least suspected ~~~~ Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 17:47:35 -0400 John Culp writes: > Didn't know you were into that, Joe. Lots of folks at engine shows > settle for a Coke or perhaps a beer now and then. > > On Apr 3, 2005, at 1:13 PM, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > > I find it as much fun as - or more than - some of the shows I > attend on > > grass. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Sun Apr 3 19:52:59 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:52:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504040252.j342qxRI086394@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> At the risk of causing more ruckus over OT posts - here's what we found about some of Google's helpful software, thus leading us to never trust anything from Google that installs locally: Google desktop search - it's all the rage. Gets rave reviews in the computer rags (anything Google does gets rave reviews, however, like Microsoft stuff gets rave reviews in most computer rags) Someone in our bureau installed Google desktop search on their computer because it was FREE (how they got admin rights to their computer was discusses and dealt with) How we found out was interesting - the big boys from ITE (the main state computer spooks) contacted us and said a computer in our area was hitting the domain controllers and causing a surge in certain types of network traffic - whatever it was was attempting to gain access to the DC's. ( They guard domain controllers with their life.) We traced it to a computer in our area, did some sniffing on the net and discovered the traffic and hits on the servers was non other than the FREE Google Desk Search thingy. We killed it and relaxed a LOT of network traffic and made the state spooks happy because it also removed the hits on their domain controllers. Hmmm, what was Google desktop search doing attemping access to domain controllers? Why all the network traffic? Seems it does MORE than just index what is on YOUR computer for YOU to search....... None of this was exposed in the computer magazines, however. Sorry, I don't trust Google or any "free search" software, more often than not, it does more than what it says it will do. All of this is one reason a friend of mine became his own "ISP" and email supplier - setting up his own email server and domain and web servers. Less chance of someone getting to his email............ Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:19 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Google Gmail - Free, But at a price... AND as a bonus, Google reads every single one of your emails so that ALL of the adverts you see are targeted to YOUR needs and interests. And it keeps your email forever so that it can learn more about you as time passes. Isn't that special? And they assure you that humans never read your email (no matter how interesting it is) and they never sell any info about you to advertisers (no matter HOW specific the profile is that they develop from all of your email). Its just so wonderful, it makes me all warm and tingly... Well, they don't do all of those nasty privacy-invading things except under "some" circumstances. But they carefully obscure just exactly what they are. Trust them. They just want to help... 8-)) http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about.html#ads http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/privacy.html http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/about_privacy.html See ya, Arnie PS - The "about privacy" bit is a hoot. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." From Hamlet (III, ii, 239) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 3 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > Do you want to try Google Gmail?? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 3 20:25:07 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:25:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <6b.426af68e.2f819950@aol.com> References: <6b.426af68e.2f819950@aol.com> Message-ID: <4250B393.4040500@scrtc.com> Ron, If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models don't have it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Tommy, >I didn't recognize the hot tube and am still not clear about it. There is, >on the off side of the engine near the head a dome with holes which I took to >be the mixer and the holes are for air intake. Is the hot tube the little >stub that comes out and bends down on the front of the engine at about the >same height as the ignitor? > >Thank you. >Ron > >In a message dated 4/3/2005 1:52:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > >Ron, > >Not a bad hunk of iron there. Its an early one as evidenced by the >patent dates on the tag and the hot tube set up on the side of the >engine. In my opinion, it would be worth a bunch of Maytags. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sun Apr 3 21:04:18 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:04:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> Hi Tommy, I see it, and understand how the hot tube works, but only from reading about them. Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced by the low tension ignitor? Thanks. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/3/2005 10:39:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: Ron, If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models don't have it. Tommy Turner Magnolia, Ky From segray at mlode.com Sun Apr 3 23:26:00 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:26:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tulare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4250DDF8.7050702@mlode.com> Sounds like a neighbor of mine, George. His first name Chris? - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Best, George wrote: >Yes!!! Looking forward to it, but then I'm also in some ways looking >more forward to the trip down. As usual I've got plans to visit several >collectors on the way down. > >A new one this trip has over 200 engines and lives up in the gold >country. > >See you at Tulare. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:46 PM >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: Tulare >> >>Cheer up George. >>Tulare is just 14 days away. >> >>Ron Haskell >>rdhaskell at juno.com >>Riverside, California >>USA >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Apr 3 23:27:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:27:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c538df$6fcd86d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hello Ron, Have here a picture of a friends engine and it has both a hot tube and an ignitor. It's a 2hp made in 1902 he told me. Can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/2hpFB.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean > it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced > by the low tension ignitor? > > Thanks. > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sun Apr 3 23:49:07 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:49:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally References: <53.24cc0b9e.2f814878@aol.com> Message-ID: <00f301c538e2$6679f480$e93354d2@Cam> Peter couldn't you see it was outside the fence. Camshaft ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally > In a message dated 3/04/2005 10:21:30 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > >> Hey Patrick where is his club badge and insurance card >> > > > Woody > > Peter Woodmore > 27 Craig Ave > Moorebank > 2170 > NSW > Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 02:27:47 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:27:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <200504031837.j33IbVfS062919@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001c01c53882$3aed47a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <00fa01c538f8$90ae3cf0$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day George There may be a parking lot show somewhere in Oz but I have never been or heard of one. May be they don't like the steel fence posts being driven into the hard top 8-)) All the best Kerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 1/04/2005 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 4 02:40:09 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:40:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <002001c538fa$4c06f130$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Parking lot shows > > Well, since it is engine related I will tell you my > > experience. I have been going to "car cruise-ins" for many > > years now. These are usually held on some parking lot and > > one of the largest I go to is at the local mall parking lot. > > It is held the third Saturday of every warm month starting at > > 5pm lasting till 10pm or later. I have an absolutely great > > time as most there have never seen a one lunger. All the > > $10,000 paint job antique autos sit there doing nothing, > > meanwhile the old engines are making noise and smoke. Guess > > who has the largest crowd gathered around asking questions??? > > Millie has to drag me to the truck to get home at a reasonable time. > > Tom Schmutz > Tom, > Have you gotten any engine leads from these shows? > George Hi George, My home commitments nowadays keep me from being as active as I was but about 15 years ago I made a point of always showing at a particular event held in a large public park in a town with no local vintage shows. This show was held by all the local charity organisations as a fund raising event with no entry charges to the public. We were allowed to show to attract a few more public. Every single year I showed there I obtained goodies from people who had never been before to an engine show. I was given 2 chaff cutters & a consolidated cake breaker Like http://oldenginehouse.users.btopenworld.com/cakemill.htm I bought from a farmer an International 3HP O/C. >From a model Engineer I bought a Royce 1890 Dynamo with marked ammeter (Before he joined Rolls). I also bought all 4 of Wendel's Agricultural books at very low prices. >From this you will see why I highly recommend parking lot shows etc. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 02:59:11 2005 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:59:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally References: <53.24cc0b9e.2f814878@aol.com> Message-ID: <001501c538fc$f4acda50$0301a8c0@Young1203> doesnt need one, he's outside the fence! Michael Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wagga Wagga Rally > In a message dated 3/04/2005 10:21:30 PM AUS Eastern Standard Time, > pml1 at bigpond.net.au writes: > > > > Hey Patrick where is his club badge and insurance card > > > > > Woody > > Peter Woodmore > 27 Craig Ave > Moorebank > 2170 > NSW > Australia > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 04:46:16 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:46:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 Message-ID: <01c201c5390b$e99a6380$e93354d2@Cam> I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look at. Cam PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 04:49:12 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:49:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics Message-ID: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Here are some pics from the rally on the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 4 05:08:03 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:08:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> Duncan, Dunno if you happened to look over the Oz pictures I posted, but there is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20294.jpg Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? This was the first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Duncan Denman wrote: > Hey Jeff, > > I have been on this list for a few years now. This happens about > several times a year and people threaten to leave and sometimes do. As > you noticed, they are still here. I even got a off list reprimand from > one of the members years ago when he thought I should hold back if I > wasn't absolutely sure about what I was saying. He is still here and > so am I. > On a different note, I hauled out my Massey Harris yesterday and after > a couple of cranks, if fired up and ran for a while before I had to > get on with home stuff. Spring is almost here. > > Duncan From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 05:14:56 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:14:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 In-Reply-To: <01c201c5390b$e99a6380$e93354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <200504041214.j34CErO3037555@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Nice pics Cam. It looks like there were some nice engines there. Edd needs a second shelter to get his engine out of the sun ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look at. Cam PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 05:19:53 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:19:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics References: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <01fd01c53910$9bae0460$e93354d2@Cam> Beautifully done Patrick, it was a good Rally. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics > Here are some pics from the rally on the weekend: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Mon Apr 4 05:28:01 2005 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Mick Christie) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:28:01 +1000 Subject: [S] RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 References: <200504041214.j34CErO3037555@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <000f01c53911$bf6a9e30$29ad57ca@n> G'day Patrick Edd dosent need another shade tent over his engine, theres no more paint left on it to burn off anyway!! Also well done with the rally pics Cam and Patrick. Cheers Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [S] RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 > Nice pics Cam. It looks like there were some nice engines there. Edd needs > a > second shelter to get his engine out of the sun ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look > at. > Cam > PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 05:36:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:36:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 References: <200504041214.j34CErO3037555@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <020401c53912$e0a5e450$e93354d2@Cam> Gee don't say he's pretty proud of it (a prezzy) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 > Nice pics Cam. It looks like there were some nice engines there. Edd needs > a > second shelter to get his engine out of the sun ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to look > at. > Cam > PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 06:19:47 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:19:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504041149.j34Bn877028788@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404091802.021fe450@mail.alltel.net> At 07:49 AM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >Here are some pics from the rally on the weekend: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/wag051.html >Patrick M Livingstone GREAT set of pictures Patrick! Did Shannon not have an insurance card and therefore not allowed inside the fence? Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 06:24:59 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:24:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> Message-ID: <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the early engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the primary ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition came into play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube eased fears of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a window of 8 to 10 years involved in this transition period. I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and then they were ignitor only as they removed the hot tube casting area on the top of the cylinder. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > >Hi Tommy, >I see it, and understand how the hot tube works, but only from reading about >them. > >Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean >it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced >by the low tension ignitor? > > >Thanks. >Ron Carroll >Clearmont, Missouri USA > > >In a message dated 4/3/2005 10:39:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > >Ron, > >If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the >top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking >out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney >attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know >when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models >don't have it. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, Ky > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 06:29:29 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:29:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> G'day folks, Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to find these tools ? Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take off the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! Thanks for any help you can provide !! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 4 07:28:56 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:28:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> Tommy, When you say " I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years", are you saying IHC offered either option for a 4 year period, or that they were manufactured with both ignition systems fitted? In the earliest years when they were hot tube ignition only, was there a boss on the side of the cylinder for future electric ignition? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I > think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the > early engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the > primary ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition > came into play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube > eased fears of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a > window of 8 to 10 years involved in this transition period. I know > the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and > then they were ignitor only as they removed the hot tube casting area > on the top of the cylinder. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 07:38:01 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:38:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <19b.311cfaf6.2f82ab49@aol.com> Hi Ron, FM could supply the type T, or Jack of All Trades engines with both hot tube & electric ignition from about 1898 until 1906. According to Wendel's - History of FM & Co.- hot tube ignition was discontinued in 1906. Hope you can make a deal on the FM, I might even trade 3 Maytags, but only if they didn't run ;o) Take care, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 4 07:49:00 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: Dwight, With that nice layer of dry Aussie dirt I think you want to use a funnel web spider rather than the red back. Equally venomous, but it would be happier in the dirt. http://www.amonline.net.au/spiders/dangerous/funnelweb/ http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/Fws.htm See ya, Arnie On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of > good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get > Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take off > the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 07:59:32 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:59:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 Message-ID: <20050404.075932.1116.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks for the pictures Cam. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:46:16 +1000 "cam grundy" writes: > I have posted a few photo's, no information but it is something to > look at. > Cam > PS Very inexperienced at this, hope it works > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009469&a=31708604&f= > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 08:00:42 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:00:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tulare Message-ID: > Sounds like a neighbor of mine, George. His first name Chris? > Steve Gray You've got it! I've never been to Chris's place but have talked to him several times and he has shown me some of his photo albums. He's always been a nice guy to talk to so I'm really looking forward to seeing his place. I've heard from another friend that a lot of Chris's stuff is outside with tarps over them, but as long as we get to peek under the tarps I'll be happy. Steve.... We'll be spending Thursday night most likely at Galt and then heading to Chris's place Friday morning on our way to Tulare. How far are you from Chris's place and when are you headed to Tulare. Was just wondering if it was feasible at all to also stop by your place. George From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 4 08:07:59 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:07:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000b01c53928$1a816590$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, I have never seen one, but in a MH catalog I have they say "Closed Cooling Jacket can be furnished if wanted". Image of water jacket at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/MHwaterjacket.jpg John H. > Curt Holland wrote: > > > Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? This was the > first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20294.jpg > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 08:09:21 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:09:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: Kerry, Putting up fences or posts and ropes can be a problem when dealing with paved parking lots. I've always used posts driven into the ground and ropes. So I'll have to come up with some way of supporting the posts without driving them into the ground. One thing I've seen some people do is to take apart a old tractor disk and use the separated disks as a bases for the posts. Put the concave side of the disk down and fix a mounting hole in the center for the post. I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree stands to support the posts. Another option is to just leave your engines on the trailer as in some cases you don't need ropes if the trailer itself keeps people at a safe distance. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:28 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Parking lot shows > > G'Day George > > There may be a parking lot show somewhere in Oz but I have > never been or heard of one. > May be they don't like the steel fence posts being driven > into the hard top > 8-)) > > All the best > Kerry > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 1/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 08:10:28 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:10:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <20050404.081028.1116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Tommy. My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled for the eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was hot tube only. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:24:59 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I > think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the > early > engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the primary > > ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition came > into > play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube eased > fears > of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a window of 8 to > 10 > years involved in this transition period. I know the IHC engines > had > both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and then they were > ignitor > only as they removed the hot tube casting area on the top of the > cylinder. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From asouth at strato.net Mon Apr 4 08:26:57 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:26:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George Message-ID: <052d01c5392a$be276670$9800a8c0@Arthur> Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I send you bounces. Please contact me of list. Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 08:38:24 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:38:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <9d.5cf72d3e.2f82b970@aol.com> Hi Arnie, Boy, that's a pretty rascal !! Sure hope I don't run into one of those spiders, or his relatives. I guess I'll just be happy with our black widow spiders, down here in VA. We do have a good crop of those in the late spring & summer. I'm gonna be careful when I pull the water tank off of the Austral, I doubt if there is much Aussie spider anti-venom in the US. Thanks, Dwight From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 08:40:25 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:40:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled Message-ID: I wouldn't call that a tank cooled engine ;-) It's a hopper cooled engine with the hopper removed and a plate used to seal off the cylinder so an external source of water could be used for cooling. If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) I admit the MH you photographed was interesting but won't go so far as to call it tank cooled. In the past I have seen a few hopper cooled engine which were converted to look like a tank cooled version. Some of these conversions looked almost factory like. I don't know if I have any pictures to share, but maybe some of you have seen some of these conversions and have pictures to share. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:08 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled > > Duncan, > Dunno if you happened to look over the Oz pictures I posted, > but there is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/ > Australia2005%20294.jpg > > Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? > This was the first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 08:53:19 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:53:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine Message-ID: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts small farm, just passed away about a year ago. The land is already up for sale, and developers want to put up quite a few houses. I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it away. I doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built between 1947 & 1955. There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on page 246 - right hand side. PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the old tools, nuts & bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. The tractor will be great for moving those portable engines :-) Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 09:08:10 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:08:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cranky Handle 2005 & Wagga Rally Message-ID: <1b9.10bb8793.2f82c06a@aol.com> Cam & Patrick, Thanks for the pictures ! A very nice collection of engines ! Our show season will be starting before long, & I'm about ready, it's been a wet, cold winter. Take care, Dwight From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 09:18:28 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:18:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts Message-ID: Cam, First of all, thanks for posting the Cranky Handle 2005 pictures. While looking at your pictures this one kind of caught my attention: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=7143298 1 The thing that caught my eye was all the engines in these picture are on some form of cart with small wheels. Factory made carts or engine trucks normally have much larger wheels. So why is it that so many people make these small wheeled carts? I would think the small wheels would make the engines harder to move in uneven ground or grass conditions. On the other hand, they have a much lower center of gravity and are probably more stable than the factory carts. Plus they take up less space and would be cheaper to make as well. George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 09:23:27 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:23:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: > Hi Tommy. > My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled > for the eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was > hot tube only. > > Ron Haskell Ron, What year is your engine? George From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 4 09:42:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Of course its a tank-cooled engine. And I'd call this a rad-cooled Lister. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/lister.htm Although, you'd probably call it a "tank cooled engine with the tank removed and a radiator fitted so that a fan could be used for cooling the water." 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - Curt? I also agree that it's a pretty interesting MH. 8-)) PPS - George? On your Galloway, it would be tank cooled only if you hook up a cooling tank. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > I wouldn't call that a tank cooled engine ;-) > > It's a hopper cooled engine with the hopper removed and a plate used to > seal off the cylinder so an external source of water could be used for > cooling. > > If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does > that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) > > > but there is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/ > > Australia2005%20294.jpg From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 4 09:31:20 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:31:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <006501c53933$bd2103e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree > stands to support the posts. > > Another option is to just leave your engines on the trailer as in some > cases you don't need ropes if the trailer itself keeps people at a safe > distance. > Dad put 3/8 rod into coffee cans of cement , fender washers welded at either end , top for a rope , bottom to anchor and then I had to go and weld a bracket with two studs pointing upwards that holds a plexiglass 8x11 retail handout dispenser into which the computer printed and laminated motor-info goes into . We have the same thing with -much- bigger cement weights to set up the 10 x20 canopies on asphault . the tubing is sawed off about a foot out of the cement and the canopy legs fit in halfwaay tight . hasnt become airborn yet . we'll see ah ? From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 4 09:42:20 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:42:20 +0200 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine References: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c53935$48ca13e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I have heard and read they are collectors items. John H. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle > with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty good > shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it away. I > doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built > between 1947 & 1955. > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 4 09:45:43 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:45:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine Message-ID: Dwight, Relax..... Don't think if the posting isn't directly about an engine that it is off topic. Your posting has all sorts of links to old engines and our hobby in general. Grumpy George left the building and hopefully won't be back for a long time ;-) I'm sure it takes a fairly significant amount of off topic postings to even get his attention. WAIT George Ps.. Kind of makes me feel like Jekyll & Hyde. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Vivas1993 at aol.com > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:53 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine > > > A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts > small farm, just passed away about a year ago. The land is > already up for sale, and developers want to put up quite a few houses. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome > plated handle with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it > doesn't work, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man > haul it away. I doubt that there are very many still around, > this one was probably built between 1947 & 1955. > There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on > page 246 - right hand side. > PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the > old tools, nuts & bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. > The tractor will be great for moving those portable engines > :-) Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 4 09:58:57 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:58:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts References: Message-ID: <000401c53937$98a853c0$fa4c1152@no1> If you have trouble getting this try http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=71432981 Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts > Cam, > > First of all, thanks for posting the Cranky Handle 2005 pictures. > > While looking at your pictures this one kind of caught my attention: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=7143298 > 1 > > > The thing that caught my eye was all the engines in these picture are on > some form of cart with small wheels. > > Factory made carts or engine trucks normally have much larger wheels. > So why is it that so many people make these small wheeled carts? > > I would think the small wheels would make the engines harder to move in > uneven ground or grass conditions. > > On the other hand, they have a much lower center of gravity and are > probably more stable than the factory carts. Plus they take up less > space and would be cheaper to make as well. > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 09:59:52 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:59:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <20050404.095953.1116.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi George. 1901. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 11:23:27 -0500 "Best, George" writes: > > Hi Tommy. > > My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled > > for the eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was > > hot tube only. > > > > Ron Haskell > > Ron, > > What year is your engine? > > George From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 4 10:08:34 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:08:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42517492.40200@imc-group.com> George, I knew I should have taken a close up of the casting that made this MH a tank cooled engine! Missy questioned its' authenticity because the cast top didn't perfectly follow the upper contour of the waterjacket. But the top of the plate had some pretty fancy ribbing and lands where the bolts attached it to the cylinder below. I was inclined to believe it was authentic. John Hammink's post confirms the factory option. Ya know Hercules made such a cast iron cap and sold a screen cooled engine fitted with a water pump. Would you call that a screen cooled engine? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Best, George wrote: >If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does >that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) > > Yes! > > From b2 at chooka.net Mon Apr 4 10:33:50 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:33:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine References: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> Message-ID: <005b01c5393c$774d68f0$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> See eBay item 7144771358; a little newer than what you are reporting but perhaps representative of value. I recall helping move a couple of these for neighbors back when they were in use. Real beasts to move!!! They were pretty common in my part of the country. I'm skeptical of this having much value. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine > > A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts small farm, just > passed away about a year ago. The land is already up for sale, and > developers > want to put up quite a few houses. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle > with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty > good > shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it away. > I > doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built > between 1947 & 1955. > There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on page 246 - right > hand side. > PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the old tools, nuts > & > bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. The tractor will be great for > moving those portable engines :-) > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 10:51:44 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:51:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <20050404.081028.1116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050404.081028.1116.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <42517EB0.4020608@scrtc.com> Ron, I've never seen one that was hot tube only (but there's a lot of things in this world I haven't seen!). Does yours have a place for the ignitor or is there no place cast on it for an ignitor? Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Hi Tommy. >My FM T #14021, did not have the end of the cam shaft drilled for the >eccentric pin to trip the ignitor. I think it was hot tube only. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 10:58:20 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:58:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot tubes in the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube only. I know my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about '08 on don't have the hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines built after about '12 no longer have the casting boss on the cylinder. Perhaps some of our SEL IHC Collectors can chime in on this as I'm speaking from my own personal obsevations and not documentation. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > When you say " I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors > for about 4 years", are you saying IHC offered either option for a 4 > year period, or that they were manufactured with both ignition systems > fitted? > > In the earliest years when they were hot tube ignition only, was there > a boss on the side of the cylinder for future electric ignition? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 4 10:59:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4742.165.206.180.102.1112637577.squirrel@antique-engines.com> It might be sort of fun to get it and see if it could be restored! IH, like so many other companies, did a lot more than tractors and engines. Geesh, Fred M even made cheese! I bet he even made stuff to cut the cheese. Anyway, it would be a great place to keep the ice for your drinks while you work on getting an IH to run. There are a few old refrigeration guys who will still work on those relics. Bill > Dwight, > > Relax..... Don't think if the posting isn't directly about an engine > that it is off topic. Your posting has all sorts of links to old > engines and our hobby in general. Grumpy George left the building and > hopefully won't be back for a long time ;-) I'm sure it takes a fairly > significant amount of off topic postings to even get his attention. > > WAIT George > > Ps.. Kind of makes me feel like Jekyll & Hyde. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of >> Vivas1993 at aol.com >> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:53 AM >> To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >> Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine >> >> >> A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts >> small farm, just passed away about a year ago. The land is >> already up for sale, and developers want to put up quite a few houses. >> I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome >> plated handle with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it >> doesn't work, but it's in pretty good shape otherwise. >> Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man >> haul it away. I doubt that there are very many still around, >> this one was probably built between 1947 & 1955. >> There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on >> page 246 - right hand side. >> PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the >> old tools, nuts & bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. >> The tractor will be great for moving those portable engines >> :-) Thanks, Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 4 11:26:06 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:26:06 EDT Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine Message-ID: Hi Dwight, On two occasions I have made use of such a device for other than its intended purpose. The first was to raise tropical fish. The freezer sat in a basement with water, fish and aquarium heaters installed. A small pump lifted water to a bucked hanging over the freezer that had fine gravel and charcoal and, small holes punched in the bottom. That kept the water in good shape. The fish thrived and multiplied. The next time I had use for such a device was during my home brewing years. At that time I was living in the Sand Hills of North Carolina. I buried a freezer in the sand to the point the door was at ground level. Then, I took a pointed rod and punched some holes in the bottom of the freezer. These holes were to allow any exploded bottles to drain out of the freezer. This setup worked nicely, allowing the beer to age slowly and containing any miscalculations when an occasional bottle exploded. The temperature in the container stayed at about 60-65?F which was not bad for sipping on a hot evening although usually I would bring the bottles into the house, chill and decant into a pitcher. It will be work to bring that chest freezer home, but, if you do, I'll bet you find a use for it. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 11:43:57 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:43:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> At 01:58 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" >situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot tubes in >the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube only. I know >my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about '08 on don't have the >hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines built after about '12 no >longer have the casting boss on the cylinder. Perhaps some of our SEL IHC >Collectors can chime in on this as I'm speaking from my own personal >obsevations and not documentation. > >Tommy Turner Hi Tommy, My 15 HP IHC (which I had at Baraboo and Portland last year) has the boss cast on the cylinder. It's S/N DA 359, and if you believe the literature it was built in 1914. Dave From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 4 12:08:53 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1106.165.206.180.102.1112641733.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I bet Ron stores maytags in his............ Dave would never think of looking in the freezer. > Hi Dwight, > > On two occasions I have made use of such a device for other than its > intended purpose. The first was to raise tropical fish. The freezer sat > in a > basement with water, fish and aquarium heaters installed. A small pump > lifted > water to a bucked hanging over the freezer that had fine gravel and > charcoal > and, small holes punched in the bottom. That kept the water in good > shape. The > fish thrived and multiplied. > > The next time I had use for such a device was during my home brewing > years. > At that time I was living in the Sand Hills of North Carolina. I buried > a > freezer in the sand to the point the door was at ground level. Then, I > took a > pointed rod and punched some holes in the bottom of the freezer. These > holes were to allow any exploded bottles to drain out of the freezer. > This setup > worked nicely, allowing the beer to age slowly and containing any > miscalculations when an occasional bottle exploded. The temperature in > the container > stayed at about 60-65?F which was not bad for sipping on a hot evening > although usually I would bring the bottles into the house, chill and > decant into a > pitcher. > > It will be work to bring that chest freezer home, but, if you do, I'll bet > you find a use for it. > > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Mon Apr 4 12:16:05 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 12:16:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <20050404.121605.1116.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> My engine was in pieces when I got it. It did not come with an ignitor or fuel pump, and the end of the cam hadn't been drilled for the pin to drive them. It has the normal place for the ignitor. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 13:51:44 -0400 Judge Tommy Turner writes: > Ron, > > I've never seen one that was hot tube only (but there's a lot of > > things in this world I haven't seen!). Does yours have a place for > the > ignitor or is there no place cast on it for an ignitor? > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 12:22:57 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 15:22:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition Message-ID: Hi Tommy, My 8hp IHC portable # B2301E, has the boss on top of the cylinder, book says year is 1911. The boss has never been machined. Dwight From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 12:57:28 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:57:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42519C28.7030702@scrtc.com> Dave, I wasn't sure of the date ('12, '14, etc) but knew at some point, the hot tube boss no longer appeared on some engines (I've got a 6 HP with it and one without it). I'm not sure if it was universal however. I know that it "disappeared" on the 4 and 6 HP's. I'm not sure if it did on the larger sizes like your 15 though. It may have been a matter of production. Since many more 4, 6, and 8 HP's were made, possibly the new patterns needed as the old ones wore out resulted in the omission of the boss. The 15 may have used the same pattern from beginning to end due to the fewer number of them that was made. Again, we need some of our IHC folks to weigh in on this one. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > At 01:58 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >> To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" >> situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot >> tubes in the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube >> only. I know my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about >> '08 on don't have the hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines >> built after about '12 no longer have the casting boss on the >> cylinder. Perhaps some of our SEL IHC Collectors can chime in on >> this as I'm speaking from my own personal obsevations and not >> documentation. >> >> Tommy Turner > > > Hi Tommy, > My 15 HP IHC (which I had at Baraboo and Portland last year) > has the boss cast on the cylinder. It's S/N DA 359, and if you believe > the literature it was built in 1914. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 4 13:20:56 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:20:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <009101c53953$cfa6a180$8fb3f504@x8h7l9> Could it be that the Hot Tube was easy on the battery drain while the igniter was easier to start. If batteries were not easy to come by at that time, they saved them as much as possible. Just speculation. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks > As far as I know, the Type T engines were never "only" hot tube. I > think you are right that it was a transitional thing. Many of the early > engine builders used the hot tube and it was accepted as the primary > ignition system for a few years. When the electric ignition came into > play, there was some resistance and continuing the hot tube eased fears > of the purchaser. I would guess there was probably a window of 8 to 10 > years involved in this transition period. I know the IHC engines had > both hot tube and ignitors for about 4 years and then they were ignitor > only as they removed the hot tube casting area on the top of the cylinder. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > > >Hi Tommy, > >I see it, and understand how the hot tube works, but only from reading about > >them. > > > >Now, since this engine has both an ignitor, and a hot tube, does that mean > >it was built during a transition period where the hot tube was being replaced > >by the low tension ignitor? > > > > > >Thanks. > >Ron Carroll > >Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > > > >In a message dated 4/3/2005 10:39:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, > >lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > > > >Ron, > > > >If you look on photo 3 you see the triangle shaped casting on the > >top of the cylinder just below the head. The "crooked" piece sticking > >out of the middle of it is the hot tube. It would have had a chimney > >attached where the bolts are screwed into the cylinder. I don't know > >when they discontinued the hot tube set up but I know the late models > >don't have it. > > > >Tommy Turner > >Magnolia, Ky From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 14:16:57 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:16:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box. OT References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <004701c5395b$a3286d70$6a3354d2@Cam> Arnie if I had to make a choice, I think I would rather be bitten by the Red Back. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral tool box > Dwight, > > With that nice layer of dry Aussie dirt I think you want to use a funnel > web spider rather than the red back. Equally venomous, but it would be > happier in the dirt. > > http://www.amonline.net.au/spiders/dangerous/funnelweb/ > http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm > http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/Fws.htm > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: > >> Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch >> of >> good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to >> get >> Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I >> take off >> the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 4 14:45:29 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 23:45:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks/ Now IHC Hot Tube Ignition References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com><42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <001701c5395f$a25f2d30$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Wendel says that it's unlikely that hot tube ignition was used after 1905, since the well know valve gear was patented that year. This system included a low tension make-and-break ignitor. The parts book mention the ignitors for the 8-10-12 and 15 hp engines from 1904 and for the 20 hp from 1906, through 1908 then they changed them for another part number by 1909. Funny thing is in all the 310 pages of the parts book, they didn't speak about any hot tube. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > To my knowledge (which is little), IHC didn't offer an "either / or" > situation. I think they all came with ignitors and most with hot tubes > in the early years but I've never heard of one with hot tube only. I > know my 8 HP (SN 33) has both. The ones build from about '08 on don't > have the hot tube boss bored. The cylinders on engines built after > about '12 no longer have the casting boss on the cylinder. Perhaps > some of our SEL IHC Collectors can chime in on this as I'm speaking from > my own personal obsevations and not documentation. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Tommy, > > When you say " I know the IHC engines had both hot tube and ignitors > > for about 4 years", are you saying IHC offered either option for a 4 > > year period, or that they were manufactured with both ignition systems > > fitted? > > > > In the earliest years when they were hot tube ignition only, was there > > a boss on the side of the cylinder for future electric ignition? > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 14:46:10 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:46:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] IHC Hot Tube Ignition In-Reply-To: <42519C28.7030702@scrtc.com> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <42514F28.5090509@imc-group.com> <4251803C.9090306@scrtc.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404144126.026454b0@mail.alltel.net> <42519C28.7030702@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404174434.026dc680@mail.alltel.net> >I know that it "disappeared" on the 4 and 6 HP's. I'm not sure if it did >on the larger sizes like your 15 though. It may have been a matter of >production. Since many more 4, 6, and 8 HP's were made, possibly the new >patterns needed as the old ones wore out resulted in the omission of the >boss. The 15 may have used the same pattern from beginning to end due to >the fewer number of them that was made. >Tommy Turner Good point--and well taken! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 14:50:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:50:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks In-Reply-To: <009101c53953$cfa6a180$8fb3f504@x8h7l9> References: <67.4217001f.2f8216c2@aol.com> <4251402B.9000102@scrtc.com> <009101c53953$cfa6a180$8fb3f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404174803.02647e50@mail.alltel.net> At 04:20 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >Could it be that the Hot Tube was easy on the battery drain while the >igniter was easier to start. If batteries were not easy to come by at that >time, they saved them as much as possible. Just speculation. >Ed Stoller With all due respect Ed, I think that your speculation is wrong! Dave PS, Think MAGNETO! From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 15:06:35 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:06:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts References: Message-ID: <005e01c53962$91846b80$6a3354d2@Cam> Hi George Firstly thanks for the compliments. I will do a better job next time as that was just a trial run. I think small wheels are probably so common here because most people make there own, it is hard to find a steel outlet that will cut over 8in, some can do 10in but not many. Factory carts in Aus are fairly rare in the small stuff, I think we tend to put the work into the engines and put them on our own designed carts compact enough to fit 2 across your trailer, 6x4 or 7x5 most common. You are right George they are certainly harder to pull around on the smaller wheels but there is always someone to lend a hand if needed. Hope this helps. Cam. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:18 AM Subject: [SEL] Small wheeled carts > Cam, > > First of all, thanks for posting the Cranky Handle 2005 pictures. > > While looking at your pictures this one kind of caught my attention: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009469&a=31708604&p=7143298 > 1 > > > The thing that caught my eye was all the engines in these picture are on > some form of cart with small wheels. > > Factory made carts or engine trucks normally have much larger wheels. > So why is it that so many people make these small wheeled carts? > > I would think the small wheels would make the engines harder to move in > uneven ground or grass conditions. > > On the other hand, they have a much lower center of gravity and are > probably more stable than the factory carts. Plus they take up less > space and would be cheaper to make as well. > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 3 07:18:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 08:18:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show pictures References: <20050402.214219.1020.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Nice!! Had fun viewing the pix's over morning coffee. Thanks Ron RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Show pictures > Hi all. > Today our club WAPA (Western Antique Power Associates) put on a small > show in Highland CA. ( That is about as far North and East in the Los > Angeles basin an you can go). Weather was about perfect, near 80? F, > with light breeze. > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3009370&a=31706982&f=0 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 4 15:54:05 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 18:54:05 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: In a message dated 4/4/2005 12:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree stands to support the posts >> George, Seen lots of people take a coffee can filled with cement and about a 3/8 rod with a snow chain monkey link welded to it. Easy to set up and thread small rope thru the links. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 3 09:11:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 10:11:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050403104640.0d55b8f8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Good time to crank up that big mower, and run it in your driveway. That will POWER WASH it:-) Like to see the looks on the neighbors' faces :-)) Later, RickinMt. > Dave > PS, Six inches of snow here today and life is still good! From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 3 08:02:23 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:02:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Fooled again References: Message-ID: Tom, I disagree. The money that some O/T's has saved me is incredible. One was advise on a Toyota starter problem. After discussion on the list, the total price tag was $3.20 and a six pack, compared to several hundred dollars for a new starter. So there's a lot of money that probably went for old engine resto. Another time we were talking about house siding stain and linseed oil was discussed. That discussion saved my house from burning down. Time and time again, J.B. has given advise on NG engine fixes that saved the people big bucks. We need all the help we can get on the newer rigs. Yes, some O/T's get way out in left field and my delete key is close by...and as Arnie mentioned a filter can be setup. As George says: "if ya can't figger it out, ask your grandchildren." SEL is my morning fix and I'll never be able to return the favors I've been given. "Jus Lovin' it" RickinMt. > > I will apologies for starting the Honda oil plug "OT" discussion and > offending any of the folks on this list. > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 4 11:29:13 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:29:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George In-Reply-To: <052d01c5392a$be276670$9800a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: Arthur, Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something might be wrong with his email. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============== >From: "Arthur Southwell" > >Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I send >you bounces. > >Please contact me of list. > >Arthur > > > > >Arthur Southwell >Arthur Southwell Rebuilding >Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >asouth at strato.net > > >http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 2 17:41:46 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:41:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <200504030053.j330rQLA009197@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: This coming friday will be Cork and I's first public showing. It will be in the parking lot of the local vo-tech. They have helped us so much and the instructors have been out to the shed to see them run. Should be fun and will take pix's. later, RickinMt. From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 4 17:44:59 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:44:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> References: <003401c5371d$e1b60970$a65bef18@pengy> <424E0673.9030802@earthlink.net> <424E422D.5020006@wightman.ca> <42512E23.2000200@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4251DF8B.5090502@wightman.ca> Hi Curt, Interresting. I would even say it could be factory in spite of the less than perfect contour matching around the top due to the other casting characteristics and I would definately call it tank cooled especially since the factory offerd it as an option. Looks like it would have been a 6 HP? I have never seen one like it up here and it would be quite a prize to have. Lots of mysteries in the gas engine world yet to be explained. Duncan Curt wrote: > Duncan, > Dunno if you happened to look over the Oz pictures I posted, but there > is a Massey Harris tank cooled photo at > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Australia2005/Australia2005%20294.jpg > > > Have you ever seen a MH that was other than hopper cooled? This was > the first one of these I've seen. Pretty neat. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Duncan Denman wrote: > >> Hey Jeff, >> >> I have been on this list for a few years now. This happens about >> several times a year and people threaten to leave and sometimes do. >> As you noticed, they are still here. I even got a off list reprimand >> from one of the members years ago when he thought I should hold back >> if I wasn't absolutely sure about what I was saying. He is still >> here and so am I. >> On a different note, I hauled out my Massey Harris yesterday and >> after a couple of cranks, if fired up and ran for a while before I >> had to get on with home stuff. Spring is almost here. >> >> Duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 4 17:49:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:49:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: <42517492.40200@imc-group.com> References: <42517492.40200@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4251E081.8020403@wightman.ca> Bye the way Curt, thanks for sharing that pic. Duncan Curt wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Mon Apr 4 17:06:15 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:06:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George References: Message-ID: <00a901c53973$49486270$6a3354d2@Cam> Luke, Reg was at our Rally on the weekend, so he is around. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:29 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George > Arthur, > > Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a > crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something > might be wrong with his email. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >>From: "Arthur Southwell" >> >>Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I >>send you bounces. >> >>Please contact me of list. >> >>Arthur >> >> >> >> >>Arthur Southwell >>Arthur Southwell Rebuilding >>Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >>asouth at strato.net >> >> >>http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >>http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >>http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 4 17:14:39 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:14:39 EDT Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man Message-ID: <1e4.38aa9dd3.2f83326f@aol.com> Hi folks, Just saw this info. on Harry's site. Nate Lilibridge, of Voluntown, CT. passed away about 2:00 AM this morning. Nate was a fine person, and helped me with quite a few engine questions when I first started going to Coolspring. He will be missed by many of us engine folks. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 4 17:45:52 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:45:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George Message-ID: <20050404.204627.1160.2.jlb94@juno.com> I got a notice that Reg's mailbox is full. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Apr 4 17:57:39 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:57:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man Message-ID: <410-2200542505739687@coastalnet.com> Thanks for passing that on, Dwight. Nate was a fine gentleman from all I can gather. He was very gracious in showing me around the big engine shed at Kinzer a few years ago. http://www.oldengine.org/members/christison/kinzers2/r_and_t2.htm I know he will be sorely missed. Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/4/2005 8:39:55 PM > Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man > > Hi folks, > Just saw this info. on Harry's site. Nate Lilibridge, of Voluntown, CT. > passed away about 2:00 AM this morning. Nate was a fine person, and helped me with > quite a few engine questions when I first started going to Coolspring. > He will be missed by many of us engine folks. > > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 17:59:25 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:59:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504050059.j350xLWe051936@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Dwight, That is a good question to which I do not have a good answer. I checked my manuals and there is no mention of a standard set of tools in the toolbox. The smaller portables did not have a toolbox and I have seen a lot of the larger engines with no toolbox fitted. I have seen all sorts of things in Austral toolboxes such as spare sets of rings, the various bits associated with the Primus, and frequently some good red soil ;) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- G'day folks, Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to find these tools ? Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take off the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! Thanks for any help you can provide !! Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 18:02:30 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:02:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Wagga Rally Pics In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404091802.021fe450@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200504050102.j3512P6a052670@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Shannon gets sick of the noise of the engines so she usually keeps out of the way. I should try and get an insurance card for here and see what happens ;) I don't think she is very safety conscious. Here she is wondering if the muffler is hot: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/myengines/buzacott/buza58.jpg (It was) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- GREAT set of pictures Patrick! Did Shannon not have an insurance card and therefore not allowed inside the fence? Dave From asouth at strato.net Mon Apr 4 18:30:48 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:30:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George References: Message-ID: <069e01c5397f$198ce0e0$9800a8c0@Arthur> Thanks Luke, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George > Arthur, > > Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a > crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something > might be wrong with his email. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > >>From: "Arthur Southwell" >> >>Reg, have you blocked me from : randmingold at hotkey.net.au. Any email I >>send you bounces. >> >>Please contact me of list. >> >>Arthur >> >> >> >> >>Arthur Southwell >>Arthur Southwell Rebuilding >>Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. >>asouth at strato.net >> >> >>http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html >>http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee >>http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Apr 4 18:46:09 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:46:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Well I just got off the phone with Peter Wilcock, People may know him as the owner of the Ronaldson & Tippet Austral register. He is a member of our local club. Well he does not know whether Australs came out with Ronaldson & Tippet made tools! All he can find is that the engine is supplied with "Spanners and oil" He said that in his opinion R & T would have just bought in tools from the cheapest supplier at the time. Russell At 09:29 AM 4/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: >G'day folks, > Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in >the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to >find these tools ? > Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of >good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get >Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take >off >the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! > Thanks for any help you can provide !! > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Apr 4 19:03:10 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:03:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Massey Harris tank cooled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <578f644790e9b0e9fe4e52923d64507f@chartertn.net> When Fairbanks-Morse did exactly that, they called those engines tank cooled. John On Apr 4, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Best, George wrote: > I wouldn't call that a tank cooled engine ;-) > > It's a hopper cooled engine with the hopper removed and a plate used to > seal off the cylinder so an external source of water could be used for > cooling. > > If I take the hopper off my 5hp Galloway and seal it with a plate, does > that make it a tank cooled engine? :-) John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 4 19:11:01 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:11:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine References: <102.5e4be16a.2f82bcef@aol.com> Message-ID: Dwight,,keep in mind the junkman will probably charge you to haul it away. Hydrocarbons ya know.."Global warming." Personally I'd try to get it running. An ole refer guy could check it out for ya....unless of course it's leaked out the freon due to the ice pick defrosting trick..but doubt it. Might get lucky and just have to replace the door seal.. RickInMt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC question - OT - not engine > > A couple of weeks ago I was roaming around my great aunts small farm, > just > passed away about a year ago. The land is already up for sale, and > developers > want to put up quite a few houses. > I found an old IHC chest type freezer, it has a nice chrome plated handle > with the IHC logo. I'm almost positive it doesn't work, but it's in pretty > good > shape otherwise. > Is this something worth saving, or should I let the junk man haul it > away. I > doubt that there are very many still around, this one was probably built > between 1947 & 1955. > There'a a picture of one in Wendel's 150 Years of IHC, on page 246 - > right > hand side. > PS - I did inherit a nice 1963 Farmall 140, & all of the old tools, > nuts & > bolts, & other goodies I could haul home. The tractor will be great for > moving those portable engines :-) > Thanks, > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Apr 4 19:20:55 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:20:55 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4251F607.7010300@fidnet.com> Tom, what is a "snow chain monkey link"? Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2005 12:13:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > George_Best at adp.com writes: > > << I'll probably make some quick wood bases like old fashion Christmas tree > stands to support the posts >> > > George, > > Seen lots of people take a coffee can filled with cement and about a 3/8 rod > with a snow chain monkey link welded to it. Easy to set up and thread small > rope thru the links. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rwenig at telus.net Mon Apr 4 19:26:15 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:26:15 -0600 Subject: Silver solder: was Re: [SEL] O T For Reg Ingold ......... Sorry George In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> Hello Luke, I'm not Reg but maybe this will suffice until Reg is back on line. I assume your building the crank for Reg's engine. I use "Silvaloy 45 or Silvaloy A-45" which I can get from Ackland Grainger here for similar applications. Hope this helps. Rupert Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Arthur, > > Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for > a crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think > something might be wrong with his email. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =============== > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 4 19:36:42 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:36:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also >only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. Dave From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 19:56:33 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:56:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <4251FE61.5080501@optusnet.com.au> Arnie Fero wrote: >Dwight, > >With that nice layer of dry Aussie dirt I think you want to use a funnel >web spider rather than the red back. Equally venomous, but it would be >happier in the dirt. > >http://www.amonline.net.au/spiders/dangerous/funnelweb/ >http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb.htm >http://www.avru.unimelb.edu.au/avruweb/Fws.htm > >See ya, Arnie > > =========== Whenever I hear reference to the funnel-web spider, I chuckle in rememberance of a spoonerism widely broadcast over the National radio in Oz where the female news-reader reported that a woman was "bitten on the funnel by a finger-web spider." I'll bet her toes curled up in embarassment when she realised what she'd said! (Funnel? So this IS on-topic?) Jack in Oz ============= From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 20:15:44 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:15:44 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <425202E0.80408@optusnet.com.au> Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >> G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I >> also only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. > > > Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked > to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question > asked. > Dave > ============== Dave, since you asked the question, I think the psychologists would say that this is positive feed-back. In a visual type conversation, the participants would be nodding their heads, indicating that they were following the conversation: not necessarily agreeing with it. In the case of telephone conversations, we tend to say Yes, Yes, Uhuh, from time to time. So here we may occasionally email "Yes, me too". The actual words are not important, just the indication of acceptance of the theme. I do know that I find it off-putting and get a feeling that my input is unworthy of acknowledgement when I make a comment and get the Easter Island Statue response - no feed-back, however how trivial. Is this so bad? Jack on Oz ============== From russell at ncable.com.au Mon Apr 4 20:18:28 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:18:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405131750.00b4c5e8@mail.ncable.com.au> Same reason why you have the need to read your own posts to Dave??? At 10:36 PM 4/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >>G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also >>only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. > >Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to >the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 4 20:30:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:30:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Loss of a great engine man In-Reply-To: <1e4.38aa9dd3.2f83326f@aol.com> References: <1e4.38aa9dd3.2f83326f@aol.com> Message-ID: <42520655.1060603@scrtc.com> Dwight, I got an email early today telling me about Nate. Great guy. Sad loss for all who knew him. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Vivas1993 at aol.com wrote: >Hi folks, > Just saw this info. on Harry's site. Nate Lilibridge, of Voluntown, CT. >passed away about 2:00 AM this morning. Nate was a fine person, and helped me with >quite a few engine questions when I first started going to Coolspring. > He will be missed by many of us engine folks. > >Dwight Vivas >Matoaca, VA >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Mon Apr 4 20:48:44 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:48:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <011b01c53992$5e327260$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Can I just add to that. A friend of mine here in Canberra had a largish Austral (about 8hp) and he had an Austral spanner of about 3/4 whitworth size. The word "Austral" was embossed on the spanner. Hope this helps. While I am at it I am after "named" shearers screw drivers. Does anyone have anything other than, Lister (4 types), Moffat-Virtue, Wolsely (2 types), Burgon. Does anybody have any other types like Cooper and Buzacott and also one with three blades instead of the normal two. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Austral tool box > G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also > only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Well I > just got off the phone with Peter Wilcock, People may know him as the owner > of the Ronaldson & Tippet Austral register. He is a member of our local > club. Well he does not know whether Australs came out with Ronaldson & > Tippet made tools! All he can find is that the engine is supplied with > "Spanners and oil" He said that in his opinion R & T would have just bought > in tools from the cheapest supplier at the time. > > Russell > > > At 09:29 AM 4/04/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >G'day folks, > > Got a question for the Aussie list members. What tools were originally in > >the tool box that came with the Austral engines, and how hard would it be to > >find these tools ? > > Right now, all that's in the box is a few rusty bolts and about an inch of > >good old Aussie orange dirt :-) I'm gonna save the dirt, kinda hard to get > >Aussie dirt in the USA. I might even find a red back spider, when I take > >off > >the cooling tank, although I'm not really sure I want to !! > > Thanks for any help you can provide !! > > Dwight Vivas > > Matoaca, VA. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Mon Apr 4 21:09:15 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 23:09:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> <5.2.0.9.2.20050405114140.00b3fe88@mail.ncable.com.au> <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42520F6B.5070102@fidnet.com> I don't know, Dave, why do you suppose they do it? Gary Dave Rotigel wrote: > At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: > >> G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I >> also only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. > > > Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to > the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 4 21:48:35 2005 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:48:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box References: <1eb.3851f86f.2f829b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c5399a$ce4bd430$a6731dd3@fred> I have only seen one spanner that is branded Austral, it fits wheel stay locks, can bee seen at Lake Goldsmith on Max Holt`s Austral Brian. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 4 23:34:18 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:34:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050404223323.026dc538@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200504050634.j356YDK8036120@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Thank you Dave, for being such an advocate for on topic discussion on the list. You certainly know how to encourage people to post. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- At 09:46 PM 4/4/2005, you wrote: >G'day Dwight, I often have wondered about your question myself as I also >only have a couple of spare nuts and bolts in my Austral tool box. Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. Dave From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Mon Apr 4 23:36:22 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:36:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] McDonald engines In-Reply-To: <008b01c538a4$7c6716d0$0201010a@Portable> References: <001b01c537e7$9a3e62c0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050405163157.0288eb70@mail.netconnect.com.au> Hello Ray, Welcome to the McDfratenity - where cast iron was the go along with strained backs! The McDonald book says that 2087 was built in 1955. If you want to know more, or want to add another one to your collection, please contact me off list! Regards, Mark At 07:25 AM 4/4/2005 +0800, Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: >I picked up two dismantled McDonald diesels on Saturday.Both are SPI's and >hopefully all the bits are there. Does anyone have info on these? The >serial number of one is 2087. 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From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Tue Apr 5 00:42:23 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:42:23 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine Message-ID: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, thanks. Chester from West Aussie. From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 5 01:03:12 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 8:03:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <3rrac5$sfo0si@mxip19a.cluster1.charter.net> > Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to > the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. > Dave > They probably figured out it pisses you off. J.B. Castagnos From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 01:48:24 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:48:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine Message-ID: Hi Chester , i have a 3 1/2 but it has a breather pipe on the opposite side to the govener up near the top of the fuel tank. it has a cap on it with an 1/8 hole in it. Dave >From: "SERVICE" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] New Way engine >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:42:23 +0800 > >Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp hinged >crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and has >filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to find >either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am going to >have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the governor side >& some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on build date, the >hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, thanks. >Chester from West Aussie. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ It's easy to send photos with Hotmail. Click here to find out how: http://www.imagine-msn.com/Hotmail/Post/Communicate/SendPhotos.aspx From courtleigh at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 5 02:55:18 2005 From: courtleigh at optusnet.com.au (courtleigh) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:55:18 +1000 (AUS Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [SEL] reg ingold Message-ID: <42526086.000003.40905@COLINHOW> Hi, reg had a little trouble with the computer he should have anew one set up in a day or so. col howells From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Apr 5 03:57:26 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:57:26 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040520051057.15988.42526F1600057B2800003E7421979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rick for the tip, will check it out. Curt Andree > Curt; > Maybe http://www.mcmaster.com/ around page 3240. I think you can punch > that in in the window. Maybe just search packing and get all the results > > Didn't see teflon tho but they list PTFE > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:43 AM > Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing > > > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type packing to rebuild > > my > > Stover model "C" 5hp engine fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > supplier? > > thankyou in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Apr 5 04:13:21 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:13:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040520051113.21522.425272D1000BF1660000541221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Hi Peter, Not sure about a turned over TFE ring yet, just going by what my friend Joe Maurer is recommending right now. thanks, Curt Andree > On Apr 2, 2005 2:05 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > > > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > > > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > > supplier? > > > > Hi Curt, > > Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you > > the perfect packing to match your exact application. > > > > www.mcmaster.com > > > > www.acdepuydt.com > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > > Rob Skinner > > No chance of getting a Teflon ring turned up to do the job? or even a > high-temp O ring, the sort that are used for pushrod tubes on > air-cooled engines? > > Just a thought as I sit here working on a Saturday...:-)) > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Apr 5 04:14:55 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:14:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing Message-ID: <040520051114.21823.4252732F000424620000553F21979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Rob, spoke with their sales rep yesterday and believe this will help. Curt Andree > > Having trouble locating 1/4" teflon packing, rope type > > packing to rebuild my Stover model "C" 5hp engine > > fuel pump. Any one have any sugestions for a > > supplier? > > > Hi Curt, > Try these. AC Depuydt are experts and will sell you > the perfect packing to match your exact application. > > www.mcmaster.com > > www.acdepuydt.com > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 5 04:49:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:49:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? And where did you purchase them from? TIA RickinMt. PS: And is it big enough :-)) From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 5 05:01:59 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:01:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <006101c539d7$499b8d10$42cf3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Chester ...........if you don't get anything back let me know . There is a New way up at Midland workshops ,belongs to a club member,i will arrange for a pic if you want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: [SEL] New Way engine > Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp hinged > crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and has > filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to find > either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am going > to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the governor > side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on build date, > the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, thanks. > Chester from West Aussie. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 5 05:37:41 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:37:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> At 07:49 AM 4/5/2005, you wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? >And where did you purchase them from? >TIA >RickinMt. Hi Rick, Arnie and I have had a number of them over the years. I've found the EZ Up to be the best, but pricey. Right now we are using a Quik Shade and find it almost as good as the EZ UP and at about half the cost. Ours is 10 X 10 and that seems an OK size. The Quik Shade costs about $100-125.00. I've seen them at Home Depot and WallMart. (I think I've seen them at Advanced Auto as well.) Stores should be getting them in soon. Dave From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Apr 5 05:39:53 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:39:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings References: Message-ID: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> There's a guy who always sells canopy supplies here at my local show every September, that's where I got mine. I did make a rookie mistake in getting the smaller size brackets (for the 3/4 inch electrical conduit). Get the larger sized ones, one inch or larger. I have noticed in the past several years they've come out with different tarps also, ones with "sides" that you can drape down & somewhat enclose the area. Great protection against wind & rain. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Apr 5 06:20:58 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:20:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> Hi list, I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Apr 5 06:29:53 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:29:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box & IHC freezer questions Message-ID: <19e.30c1db0e.2f83ecd1@aol.com> Hi folks, Thanks to everyone that replied to the tool box & freezer questions. I now know that finding the correct tools might not be very easy, but I'm sure I can come up with some suitable replacements. I might go after the old IHC freezer, I really don't have the room but I can always squeese another prize under the shed. It would be great to throw a couple of blocks of ice in it, just the place to keep the coke & lemonade cool ;o) You gotta have some cold drinks when working on those engines !! Thanks again, Dwight From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 07:34:47 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> References: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. I want that original galvanized "look" back. What can be done, if anything? Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. Bill From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 07:45:24 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:45:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: IHC freezer questions Message-ID: > I might go after the old IHC freezer, I really don't have > the room but I can always squeese another prize under the > shed. It would be great to throw a couple of blocks of ice in > it, just the place to keep the coke & lemonade cool > ;o) You gotta have some cold drinks when working on those engines !! > Thanks again, > Dwight A bit on the morbid side, but that chest type IHC freezer might just be the thing for a deceased IHC collector ;-) You could keep them plugged in and on ice as long as you wanted, then plant the whole thing in the ground when enough time passes and people starting wondering who the hell is the stiff guy in the freezer. :-) George From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 07:48:53 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 09:48:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: Move to the old threshing area! The current SEL area is in the flood plain and seems to be wet most years. The threshing area is on higher ground. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Glenn A Karch > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 6:21 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN > > Hi list, > > I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit > arrangements for the August show have changed. It looks like > the area we've had is still there for engines, but we will > have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors to the > east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is > now open to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From christison at coastalnet.com Tue Apr 5 08:04:28 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:04:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... Message-ID: <410-2200542515428728@coastalnet.com> I have seen products like this but have not used them. http://www.caswellplating.com/vht/galvanizpaint.html Ken > [Original Message] > From: > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/5/2005 10:59:28 AM > Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... > I want that original galvanized "look" back. > What can be done, if anything? > > Bill From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 08:51:02 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] New Way engine In-Reply-To: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Message-ID: Hi Chester, This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I think basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and > has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am > going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the > governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on > build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, > thanks. > Chester from West Aussie. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 5 08:56:21 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:56:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <4252B525.7010809@imc-group.com> Bill, Have you considered simply having it redipped? You might be surprised how inexpensive it is. The hot dip galvanizers are only really particular about one thing....confined spaces that allow pressure build up. For example, if you have built a structural shape out of tubing, you will have to have a 3/8" hole in each tubing segment on that assy to assure no pressure can build. They get ill when they dip a sealed structure in a vat of 500?F hot dip and the expanding air ruptures the tubing spraying hot metal all over everyone. The brackets you mention would be easy. Fuel tanks/desoldering a problem! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the >years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted >again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish >isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. >I want that original galvanized "look" back. >What can be done, if anything? > >Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. > >Bill >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 5 08:35:39 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:35:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: <20050403.133739.852.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00c001c539f5$20376840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > The parking lot is at the end of the street along the river and about 2 > blocks from the main street (Rt.2). Two blocks ? A 10hp n ~ up with a barker will make short work of that . From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 5 09:10:18 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:10:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: IHC freezer questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4252B86A.5070904@imc-group.com> Best, George wrote: >> >>A bit on the morbid side, but that chest type IHC freezer might just be >>the thing for a deceased IHC collector ;-) You could keep them plugged >>in and on ice as long as you wanted, then plant the whole thing in the >>ground when enough time passes and people starting wondering who the >>hell is the stiff guy in the freezer. :-) >> >> George, Morbid? That's just plain odd! :-) I'm surprised that with all the beer drinkers on this list that no one has suggested what a really kewl brewsky cooler this would make. Envision an engine buddies day at your place. You've been listening to the chuff chuff of Famouses, M's, Titans, and Moguls. It's time for a few cold ones and You walk over to your IHC refridge and open it to a case of Guinness. Or perhaps even a keg. Life is good. Arnie, Kerry? Sound good? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Kerry continues to work on making me appreciate Guinness. I'm getting there. From Vivas1993 at aol.com Tue Apr 5 09:14:31 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:14:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: <54.41a17b5d.2f841367@aol.com> Having never been to Portland, what is the difference in the two areas ? The wife & I are going to be there in August, so which area is best ? I don't swim too well, so higher ground is appreciated :-) A shaded area is always nice, but we do plan to bring portable shade just in case there aren't many trees. We also hope to set up with the SEL group if possible. Thanks, Dwight From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 09:18:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? Message-ID: Hi Folks, I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open folks, it could happen here. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 See ya, Arnie PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to translate as needed. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 09:37:49 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings Message-ID: I've had a few of the Quick Shade 10x10 canopies and they've worked well for me. In most cases a 10x10 is sufficient in size unless you attract large groups of people wanting to share your shade or rain shelter. One thing to remember is to not set up your canopy downwind of the steam engines. The smoke doesn't bother me that much, but the little holes you get from hot cinders will ruin the canopy. Speaking from experience. Another thing is to avoid the lightweight flimsy canopies and be sure to anchor you canopy to the ground. Speaking from experience again and form witnessing others I know that it doesn't take a lot of wind to destroy some canopies. I've got some good mangled canopy pictures I took at the Grass Valley CA show a few years ago. My canopy came through the night okay, but the garbage dumpsters were full the next day with mangled canopies. Steve Gray was there too and could confirm this. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:49 AM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings > > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open > tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? > > TIA > RickinMt. > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Apr 5 09:52:40 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:52:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. Thanks for the help, John From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 10:12:17 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:12:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: IHC freezer questions Message-ID: > I'm surprised that with all the beer drinkers on this list > that no one has suggested what a really kewl brewsky cooler > this would make. > Envision an engine buddies day at your place. You've been > listening to the chuff chuff of Famouses, M's, Titans, and > Moguls. It's time for a few cold ones and You walk over to > your IHC refridge and open it to a case of Guinness. Or > perhaps even a keg. Life is good. > Arnie, Kerry? Sound good? > Curt Holland Curt, We're talking about a IHC freezer, not a fridge! I like my beer cold, but not frozen ;-) George Ps.... Lucky were not talking about Maytag's. After a few beers, Kerry might be tempted to toss his clothes into the Maytag washer ; -) From tsmith at hal-pc.org Tue Apr 5 10:27:19 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:27:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: IMHO you might have a short between the brakes and the lights, upstream from the load and ground. If you can disconnect the ground on both and check continuity between the lights and brakes with the trailer disconnected from the vehicle, you should find a low resistance path. If not check on the vehicle side of the connector without the trailer connected. Good luck On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:52:40 -0400 "John Cullom" wrote: > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I >hauled out my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer >shows, & noticed something peculiar. All the running lights work >fine, as well as the brake lights, but when the lights are on, the >electric brakes are engaging. Enough that when I turn the lights on >when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes grabbing, so they are >engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the grounds & other >connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But could it >be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake >wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 10:31:28 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <4645.165.206.180.102.1112722288.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Not to doubt your work, but sounds like ground-loop condition..... Double-check the grounds - disconnect the brake wire if you can and see if the lights dim. Wires can build resistance where they enter the terminal - especially "crimp-on" connectors. You can get a thin layer of oxide you can't really see down in there. You can measure that with a voltmeter. Turn on the load - lights for example. Connect the meter so one lead is on a GOOD clean ground, the other on the ground wire just ahead of the terminal or connection. Resistance in a connection will show a voltage across that connection. If a ground wire has a loop terminal where a bolt or screw holds it to the frame, for example, put your meter on the frame/ground and where that wire enters the loop terminal. Should see NO reading at all. You are looking to measure voltage drop across a resistance. No resistance, no voltage to measure - they both should be the same, no meter deflection. Bill > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled > out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. > Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the > brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. > But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Apr 5 10:42:03 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:42:03 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <200504051742.j35Hg60N020427@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > figured all the grounds & other connections were clean & tight, Not necessarily so, John. Check your ground. If it looks good, make it better. If you have to test it by clamping a jumper cable to your bumber and the trailer, do it. I suspect the ground is not perfect, and you've got voltages back feeding through filaments and doing all kinds of crazy things. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 10:44:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To add a couple of additional comments to George's... On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > I've had a few of the Quick Shade 10x10 canopies and they've worked well > for me. In most cases a 10x10 is sufficient in size unless you attract > large groups of people wanting to share your shade or rain shelter. The large groups will also share your beer/pop/munchies supples. Plan accordingly. 8-)) Keep the side curtains for your canopy. They are really handy for the summer thunderstorms where the rain is flying horizontally! > One thing to remember is to not set up your canopy downwind of the steam > engines. The smoke doesn't bother me that much, but the little holes > you get from hot cinders will ruin the canopy. Speaking from > experience. This also holds for Petters. Petter spots are impossible to remove. > Another thing is to avoid the lightweight flimsy canopies and be sure to > anchor you canopy to the ground. Speaking from experience again and > form witnessing others I know that it doesn't take a lot of wind to > destroy some canopies. A really good anchorage consists of a ground screw anchor at each corner with a 1" ratchet strap going up to the top corner frame. Jake Faith at Coolspring sells EXCELLENT screw anchors. Tell him I sent you and you'll get the "special price." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Tue Apr 5 12:49:24 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:49:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <001c01c53a18$936c46a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> John, I fought the same identical problem on my single axle trailer several years ago. I know on a stormy rainy night during rush hour traffic coming through Buffalo,NY this was no fun. I don't remember exactly but I think it was one of the light asemblies. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/05 > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:20:46 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:20:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 5:52 PM, John Cullom wrote: > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John I have to reply to this with some uncertainty as we don't have electric brakes over here in the UK, but we DO have lots of salt on the road in winter which causes lots of bad connections. Assuming that the brake lights come on with the electric brake, and that the brake lights and side lights share a common ground in the bulb (assuming again a dual-filament stop and tail bulb) then it is quite plausible that the side lights are not grounded properly and are getting a ground through the stop light filaments, and thus to the electric brake. It is always a pain when bad earths or grounds happen, but usually it is just a case of cleaning up connections and applying some Komaline Jelly or Vaseline Jelly, DO NOT use ordinary grease on electrical contacts! Hope this may help in some small way. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:22:09 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:22:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605040512227ec84f8a@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 5:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news > group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. > On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears > that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more > than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos > might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open > folks, it could happen here. > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to > translate as needed. 8-)) > > Arnie Fero I should add that the original bit of information came from a very well respected engine man and friend, and it isn't an April 1st joke! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:23:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:23:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stover fuel pump packing In-Reply-To: <040520051113.21522.425272D1000BF1660000541221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> References: <040520051113.21522.425272D1000BF1660000541221979267610A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050405122343eed54d@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 12:13 PM, cgandree at mchsi.com wrote: > Hi Peter, > Not sure about a turned over TFE ring yet, just going by what my friend Joe > Maurer is recommending right now. > thanks, > Curt Andree No problem, Curt, let me know if we can help in any way. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:25:12 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:25:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN In-Reply-To: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> References: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6f602516050405122579db9b95@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 2:20 PM, Glenn A Karch wrote: > Hi list, > > I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the > August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there > for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors > to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open > to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA There was talk last year that the open farmland, running alongside the parts sale area would be opened up as well this year, is that the area you mean, Glenn? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 12:36:17 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:36:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <002101c539dc$91593c60$6401a8c0@office> <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050405123653c81698@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 3:34 PM, bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the > years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted > again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish > isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. > I want that original galvanized "look" back. > What can be done, if anything? > > Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. > > Bill We have had success with Zinc barrel plating, where the items are tumbled with other bits in a barrel. Comes out quite close to Galvanised, but if you want the proper 'wood grain' sort of surface finish again then hot dip galvanising is the way to go. On all counts, it has to be very clean before you start. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From glenn.karch at gte.net Tue Apr 5 13:06:23 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:06:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN References: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> <6f602516050405122579db9b95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001401c53a1a$f37021a0$f3a9123f@oemcomputer> Peter et al, That area to the east (open farmland) now will have the threshing area, the steam engines, saw mill, tractors and a new loading area as well as a place for plowing and driving.. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland, IN > On Apr 5, 2005 2:20 PM, Glenn A Karch wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the > > August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there > > for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors > > to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open > > to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > > > > Glenn > > > > Glenn Karch > > Haubstadt, IN, USA > > There was talk last year that the open farmland, running alongside the > parts sale area would be opened up as well this year, is that the area > you mean, Glenn? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 13:09:15 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> <6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1338.165.206.180.102.1112731755.squirrel@antique-engines.com> A product called NoOx or just plain old silicone dielectric grease works, too. The former used by electricians to prevent connection problems, the latter used widely in automotive applications. I use the latter ANYtime I replace an auto bulb, too. Bill > On Apr 5, 2005 5:52 PM, John Cullom wrote: >> Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled >> out >> my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed >> something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the >> brake >> lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. >> Enough >> that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the >> brakes >> grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the >> grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. >> But >> could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the >> brake >> wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. >> Thanks for the help, >> John > > I have to reply to this with some uncertainty as we don't have > electric brakes over here in the UK, but we DO have lots of salt on > the road in winter which causes lots of bad connections. > > Assuming that the brake lights come on with the electric brake, and > that the brake lights and side lights share a common ground in the > bulb (assuming again a dual-filament stop and tail bulb) then it is > quite plausible that the side lights are not grounded properly and are > getting a ground through the stop light filaments, and thus to the > electric brake. > > It is always a pain when bad earths or grounds happen, but usually it > is just a case of cleaning up connections and applying some Komaline > Jelly or Vaseline Jelly, DO NOT use ordinary grease on electrical > contacts! > > Hope this may help in some small way. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 13:24:25 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:24:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Hi Chester, on my new way engine the fuel tank vent is just above the gas >tank filler inlet on the back of the engine and the crankcase vent is >opposite the governor side with a t in it for checking oil level in >crankcase. Steve From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 13:26:47 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040512227ec84f8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f60251605040512227ec84f8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Listerdiesel wrote: > I should add that the original bit of information came from a very > well respected engine man and friend, and it isn't an April 1st joke! Hell, THAT assurance ain't worth spit! We have on numerous occasions had "well respected engine men" run April 1st scams on this very list! Usually to better effect given their "street cred." 8-)) See ya, Arnie From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 13:29:20 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:29:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My goodness Arnie, What a disaster! Sweet Thing and I saw a lot of Boot Sales over there last summer! Not sure if we Jumbled enough though! Steve >From: Arnie Fero >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: Stationary Engine List >Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:18:22 -0400 (EDT) > >Hi Folks, > >I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news >group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. >On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears >that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more >than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos >might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open >folks, it could happen here. > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to > translate as needed. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 13:29:30 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:29:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? Message-ID: Scary. I'm hoping this is just a joke as I find it hard to believe that anyone could seriously think those proposals would be accepted by the general public. Of course if they did, you're welcome to ship all those old engines over here! ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:22 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? > > On Apr 5, 2005 5:18 PM, Arnie Fero wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I just read this interesting thread on the > uk.rec.engines.stationary > > news group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid > notion gets stuffed. > > On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it > > appears that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love > > nothing more than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility > > that our politicos might try and introduce something > equally stupid. > > Keep your eyes open folks, it could happen here. > > > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_t > > hread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will > be happy to > > translate as needed. 8-)) > > > > Arnie Fero > > I should add that the original bit of information came from a > very well respected engine man and friend, and it isn't an > April 1st joke! > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 5 13:31:52 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:31:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN Message-ID: > Peter et al, > > That area to the east (open farmland) now will have the > threshing area, the steam engines, saw mill, tractors and a > new loading area as well as a place for plowing and driving.. > > Glenn Glenn, That sounds great for the FATG's. That was one area where I always thought the Portland show was lacking. Space for the tractor guys to use or play with their toys. The first time I visited Portland I knew I'd never want to haul a tractor there just to park it. George From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 13:32:53 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:32:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: After the usual "Portland Blows" I recall that the EZUps fared better than most, in part because the velcro usually breaks loose before the frame bends! Steve >From: "Best, George" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Show Awnings >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:49 -0500 > >I've had a few of the Quick Shade 10x10 canopies and they've worked well >for me. In most cases a 10x10 is sufficient in size unless you attract >large groups of people wanting to share your shade or rain shelter. > >One thing to remember is to not set up your canopy downwind of the steam >engines. The smoke doesn't bother me that much, but the little holes >you get from hot cinders will ruin the canopy. Speaking from >experience. > >Another thing is to avoid the lightweight flimsy canopies and be sure to >anchor you canopy to the ground. Speaking from experience again and >form witnessing others I know that it doesn't take a lot of wind to >destroy some canopies. > >I've got some good mangled canopy pictures I took at the Grass Valley CA >show a few years ago. My canopy came through the night okay, but the >garbage dumpsters were full the next day with mangled canopies. > >Steve Gray was there too and could confirm this. > >George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Richard Strobel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:49 AM > > To: sel > > Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings > > > > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open > > tent/awning's they have? > > And where did you purchase them from? > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 5 14:35:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:35:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <29.708c4044.2f845ead@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, garyepps at fidnet.com writes: << what is a "snow chain monkey link >> Gary A tire snow chain repair link is what I always heard referred to as a "monkey link". The repair link is twisted partially open so you can slip two ends of a broken chain in it and close it up to make the repair. Being partially open allows you to easily slip a small rope in it when it is welded on the end of the rod. Keeps you from having to thread the rope thru a bunch of holes. I can take a picture of one if you are interested. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From falcon at telenet.net Tue Apr 5 14:51:01 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:51:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? References: Message-ID: <005e01c53a29$8fa12520$761117d1@net.telenet.net> There are a few of those that have been pushed in California but haven't made it all the way YET. Japan has a LOT of that already in place as well. Items 3,4,6,7,9 have been there a LONG time. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? > Scary. > > I'm hoping this is just a joke as I find it hard to believe that anyone > could seriously think those proposals would be accepted by the general > public. > > Of course if they did, you're welcome to ship all those old engines over > here! ;-) > > George From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Apr 5 14:52:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:52:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <156.4e640b48.2f84628e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/2005 11:00:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << Can someone please tell me why so many people answer a question asked to the List simply saying that they don't know shit about the question asked. >> Dave, I am glad that spring is here for a lot of us as I do believe the winter weather has just about frazzled many folks nerves! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 5 15:21:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Steve, On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > My goodness Arnie, What a disaster! Sweet Thing and I saw a lot of Boot > Sales over there last summer! Not sure if we Jumbled enough though! Steve When I saw Sweet Thang last year down at Cotton Ginning Days, she had EXACTLY that complaint; namely that you two didn't "jumble enough." NOW I know what she meant. Better get to it lad!!! 8->>> See ya, Arnie From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 08:00:07 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:00:07 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of silver soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============================= >From: Rupert Wenig > >Hello Luke, > I'm not Reg but maybe this will suffice until Reg is back on line. > I assume your building the crank for Reg's engine. I use "Silvaloy 45 or >Silvaloy A-45" which I can get from >Ackland Grainger here for similar applications. > Hope this helps. > >Rupert >Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Arthur, >> >>Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder for a >>crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think something >>might be wrong with his email. >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Apr 5 15:52:11 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:52:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Internet Storm Center References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><6f602516050405122069a07985@mail.gmail.com> <1338.165.206.180.102.1112731755.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <00da01c53a32$1b171300$1ac8f504@x8h7l9> My son forwarded the following this afternoon. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT The Internet Storm Center has upgraded the Internet threat level from green to yellow. This is due to a widespread and ongoing attack. The attack may direct your Internet browser from sites that you intend to visit, to sites that are placing spyware on your computer. This only affects web sites that end with "com." The "net" and "org" (and other) sites have not been affected (yet). If you attempt to visit a ".com" Internet site and get a page that is different from what you expected, please close the browser and run a scan for viruses and spyware. Email for domains that end in ".com" may also experience delivery problems. I strongly recommend that everyone avoid sites that require a username and passcode (like your bank) if it is a ".com" web page, until this threat has passed. You should also strive to keep Internet browsing to an absolute minimum during this event. Network administrators would do well to verify that DNS servers are secure against cache poisoning. If you'd like more information, or the detailed geekspeak, please try these (".org") web sites. http://isc.sans.org/ http://isc.sans.org/presentations/dnspoisoning.php From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 5 15:36:50 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:36:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? References: <005e01c53a29$8fa12520$761117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <001801c53a2f$f7d17360$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > There are a few of those that have been pushed in California but haven't > made it all the way YET. > > Japan has a LOT of that already in place as well. Items 3,4,6,7,9 have > been there a LONG time. > > Steve Williams all the cheap(not anymore)take out engines you find on the left coast are pulled by Nippon law after only a couple years use . containered up and shipped off for salvage How far can you drive on Japan ?? You moss reprace entaah een -JON !!!!! NOW !!!! IT PORUTE !!! but way before then , 100% of the brakes , exhaust system ,drive train all get PM'd and red taggedout at a fraction of the failure interval , not like it flies or something ...like a big yearly tax you pay mistukawatokicoasanmikuni and they are allowed to buy OEM only at jacked up prices from the same guys that thought up the ''safety ''program in the first place . I have never seen any mention of this stuff outside of the trade press . I guess most folks dont give a damn , but thats some heavy politico-industrial complex action . And OUR OEMS ARE ENTHRALLED WITH IT !!!!By oem's I mean the guys that build the parts for the auto makers to assemble into cars . They think its's justcool as hell ! What did they call the Japanese MIC in the 30's ? The kiritsu ? From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 16:15:52 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:15:52 +0100 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: References: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605040516152c265b7c@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 5, 2005 4:00 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of silver > soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. > > Luke Tonneberger I think Reggie may be away, his mailbox is full according to the failure messages I am getting back. Silver soldering is a lower temperature method of fixing bits together than brazing but higher temp than soft soldering. I use a standard gas torch (oxy-acetylene) on a small nozzle and low flame, and keep the flame moving, don't let it overheat in one spot. Cleanliness and a good flux are essential, and a fine gas nozzle so you can keep the heat local and run the molten solder along a joint. It's a bit expensive for large joints, but for small stuff the solder wicks into joints very nicely. Check what type of fluxes you can get, and as always you need practice to make perfect. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 5 06:31:49 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:31:49 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland Message-ID: Just received the Newsletter for Portland. Looks like some pretty big changes for the engine area this year. The engine area to the East of the log cabin and by the horse barns will now be tractors. Saw mill and threshing will also be in that area. That portion of the engine area will now be out in the tractor area to the North of the big engines or to the West of the consignment sale barn. Part of the new land acquired to the East will have an area for the tractors to plow. I see why they moved the tractors, can't have them driving through the crowds. Will be interesting to see how many tractors will actually be operated. Will also be interesting to see what others think and how it works out. See this picture for reference: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 5 16:39:13 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:39:13 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder Message-ID: <3rr89m$spbrac@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Just posting to say I don't know anything about silver solder. Just joking Dave. When silver soldering, the flux is usually white, when it turns clear it should be hot enough to apply the solder. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rwenig at telus.net Tue Apr 5 17:05:07 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425327B3.5050902@telus.net> Hello Luke, I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large enough to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch will work for very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet or an acetylene turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I could be wrong but I don't think straight propane will do the job. You also should have tinted goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles are fine. Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the joint to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to flow. Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot enough when it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to use the heat to draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little bit off the solder wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with some scrap to get familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar to remove any excess flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of flux on all sides of the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your joint. The solder should have flowed right through the joint in a nice even thin layer if everything is right. It may take a few tries to get it right. An other point- don't overheat the joint as overheating will cause an oxide to form in the joint and prevent solder adhesion. Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. I bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a few years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a piece of ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the parts in the clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts together. The rest of the procedure is the same as above. Try this and let us know how you make out. Rupert Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of > silver soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============================= > >> From: Rupert Wenig >> >> Hello Luke, >> I'm not Reg but maybe this will suffice until Reg is back on line. >> I assume your building the crank for Reg's engine. I use "Silvaloy >> 45 or Silvaloy A-45" which I >> can get from Ackland Grainger here for similar applications. >> Hope this helps. >> >> Rupert >> Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> >>> Arthur, >>> >>> Today I asked Reg what silver content I needed in some silver solder >>> for a crankshaft I'm making and it came back delivery failed. I think >>> something might be wrong with his email. >>> >>> Luke Tonneberger >>> Rockford, Michigan >>> USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 5 18:15:10 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:15:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Internet Storm Center In-Reply-To: <00da01c53a32$1b171300$1ac8f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200504060115.j361FGtI037170@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Yeah, seen them before. The problem I have is that they are the only ones that seem to be talking about any "attack". -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:52 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Internet Storm Center My son forwarded the following this afternoon. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT The Internet Storm Center has upgraded the Internet threat level from green to yellow. This is due to a widespread and ongoing attack. The attack may direct your Internet browser from sites that you intend to visit, to sites that are placing spyware on your computer. This only affects web sites that end with "com." The "net" and "org" (and other) sites have not been affected (yet). If you attempt to visit a ".com" Internet site and get a page that is different from what you expected, please close the browser and run a scan for viruses and spyware. Email for domains that end in ".com" may also experience delivery problems. I strongly recommend that everyone avoid sites that require a username and passcode (like your bank) if it is a ".com" web page, until this threat has passed. You should also strive to keep Internet browsing to an absolute minimum during this event. Network administrators would do well to verify that DNS servers are secure against cache poisoning. If you'd like more information, or the detailed geekspeak, please try these (".org") web sites. http://isc.sans.org/ http://isc.sans.org/presentations/dnspoisoning.php _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weolson at wiktel.com Tue Apr 5 18:29:35 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:29:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <410-2200542515428728@coastalnet.com> References: <410-2200542515428728@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <42533B7F.7060509@wiktel.com> Try this website for ZRC Galvenizing. http://www.zrcworldwide.com/ William Olson, 100 miles North of nowhere in Northern Minnesota ---------------------------- Ken Christison wrote: >I have seen products like this but have not used them. >http://www.caswellplating.com/vht/galvanizpaint.html > >Ken > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Date: 4/5/2005 10:59:28 AM >>Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... >> >> > > > >>I want that original galvanized "look" back. >>What can be done, if anything? >> >> > > > >>Bill >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 18:47:26 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050406014726.79761.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ya Rick, I really like my canopy. It is a 10X20 and takes a 12X20 tarp to cover it. Well that's what it started as,,,, The pipes are have the same outer size as chain link fence top rail so I bought a few pieces, three more center connectors and a 20X30 tarp. Now it is an 18X30 canopy. Of course another set of connectors soon came my way along with a 20X40 silver tarp and now I will soon grab three more pieces of top rail to make it an 18X40 canopy. The bigger size is great for picnics and a smaller size family reunion we have here. I will have the big one at Portland this year if all goes as planned. I guess what I am trying to say is my canopy seemed to come with options. Yes,,, I could even use a 10X12 tarp to set it up as a 10X10 canopy for one little show I go to. I have several 10X12 tarps so I guess I have about four different sizes I can make this canopy. I guess it IS big or small enough. The top rail pieces have a thicker wall and are well suited to the longer "rafters." They also come with one end sized down to slip inside the next top rail. That lets me cut them in half so they transport easier. Just change ends and slide them together. I think I originally bought mine from Northern Tool & Hydraulics or something like that. I see them for sale all over the place now. All my extra connectors and ball bungies were just picked up at shows. Alan Bowen Williamsburg, Michigan --- Richard Strobel wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? > > TIA > RickinMt. > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents.yahoo.com/emoticontest From sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu Tue Apr 5 20:08:55 2005 From: sewell at oak.cats.ohiou.edu (steve sewell) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 23:08:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland, IN In-Reply-To: <005801c539e2$50558060$32a8123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050405224830.00b14b70@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> At 08:20 AM 4/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hi list, > >I see from the Tri-State news letter that the exhibit arrangements for the >August show have changed. It looks like the area we've had is still there >for engines, but we will have FATGs and their feature tractors as neighbors >to the east now. The threshing area is moved and that old area is now open >to engine exhibitors. Will we want to keep the same spot? > >Glenn You might think about moving out to the higher ground that the tractor guys had out by the riding ring near the saw mill sight. Lot of nice big shade trees there. As for tractors ( I usually take one ). I am sure the directors will get an ear full about the move but I think it is a good one for the long term. With the new ground they will let us play. I for one drove my tractor and plow back there last year and made a few rounds turning dirt. Of course even before that I start my tractor every day of the show. Some times even before Leroy gets an engine running in the AM - good thing I have a flashlight. (-; However I see the directors point of not wanting tractors driving through the crowds to get there. The directors also talked of a tractor parade in front of the grandstand last year and the new area will be a direct shot to the racetrack/grandstand. The only downside I see to the plan is how far away from the camper area it will be. I hope they make a cart road around the grounds from the camping area to the tractor side and then a cart parking area on that side of the grounds for us non-handicap folks. If not we may be handicap by the end of the show. )-: - Steve Steve Sewell Albany, Ohio USA sewell at atis.net sewell at ohio.edu From canuckiron at wightman.ca Tue Apr 5 15:15:54 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:15:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42530E1A.2000601@wightman.ca> Hi Rick, We got one a few years ago and it makes all the difference between a good time and getting sunburned. Got it at Cameron Canopies and yes, get the large brackets and pipe. You will be amazed how popular you are when it rains too. Had an older gent stop by my display one hot day and sit in the vacant chair next to me and start talking as if we had known each other for years. Was great. Duncan Richard Strobel wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? >And where did you purchase them from? > >TIA >RickinMt. > >PS: And is it big enough :-)) >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 5 20:42:40 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <29.708c4044.2f845ead@aol.com> References: <29.708c4044.2f845ead@aol.com> Message-ID: <42535AB0.6030506@fidnet.com> Thanks Tom. I know what you mean. I actually have a bag of them on one of my workbenches. I just didn't know what they were called. I have always thought of them as repair links. Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:46:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > garyepps at fidnet.com writes: > > << what is a "snow chain monkey link >> > > Gary > > A tire snow chain repair link is what I always heard referred to as a "monkey > link". The repair link is twisted partially open so you can slip two ends of > a broken chain in it and close it up to make the repair. Being partially > open allows you to easily slip a small rope in it when it is welded on the end of > the rod. Keeps you from having to thread the rope thru a bunch of holes. I > can take a picture of one if you are interested. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 5 20:35:09 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:35:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050405.234339.1048.2.jlb94@juno.com> The Monkey Link sounds like a good idea. What I did was to make 3/8" re-bar stanchions and weld a 3/4" washer about 3" from the top. You can slip a loop through the washer and over the top of the rod and it's good to go. If you need to take a section down to let someone drive in or out, just take the loop over the top and slip it out of the washer. Presto ! For the base I probably would use old tire rims. They're redily available in the local woods - FREE !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 5 20:36:40 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:36:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Austral tool box Message-ID: <20050405.234339.1048.3.jlb94@juno.com> Right on Tom - I'll second that. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 5 23:31:28 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:31:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again Message-ID: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. The wallet is hurting but......................! Reg. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 5 23:58:49 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:58:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <001401c53a76$19a5dee0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> That's great Reg, what features does your new cyberbox have? John H. > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 00:00:10 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:00:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: welcome back Reg. >From: "R & M Ingold" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "List SEL" >Subject: [SEL] back again >Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:31:28 +1000 > >After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >one. >The wallet is hurting but......................! > >Reg. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 80,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 00:16:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:16:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f602516050406001611ac6153@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2005 7:31 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. Was going to call you later, see what had happened! Mail was being rejected through your mailbox being full. Glad to see all is OK. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 00:34:33 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:34:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com> Glad you're back Reg. Gary R & M Ingold wrote: > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 00:49:20 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:49:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42539480.90101@fidnet.com> Rick, first, I don't have an awning/open tent/canopy. I have looked at the EZUP but small. I have seen too much horizontal rain to invest in a 10x10 canopy. I have also looked carefully at the one Sam's Wholesale Club sell, the 10x20 one. I believe it comes with side curtains as well. The only drawback I can see is, it is very heavy. I can't carry the box out of the store. Setting it up is probably easier because you don't have to lift the whole thing at once. The tubing is probably 2" in diameter. As I recall it is about $200.00, at least it was at one time. Gary Richard Strobel wrote: > Just wondering if anyone recommends their open tent/awning's they have? > And where did you purchase them from? > > TIA > RickinMt. > > PS: And is it big enough :-)) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:09:33 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:09:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <001401c53a76$19a5dee0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <007101c53a88$59d03df0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Every flamin bell and whistle as far as I know! Just gotta learn em all now!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > That's great Reg, what features does your new cyberbox have? > > John H. > > > >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:10:26 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:10:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f602516050406001611ac6153@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <007601c53a88$79010380$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Ah, Forbsie, Maaate! A call from you is beyond price! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > On Apr 6, 2005 7:31 AM, R & M Ingold wrote: >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. > > Was going to call you later, see what had happened! Mail was being > rejected through your mailbox being full. > > Glad to see all is OK. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:11:24 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:11:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > Glad you're back Reg. > > Gary > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Wed Apr 6 04:05:04 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:05:04 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed Message-ID: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> My puter hard drive crashed last month and lost the name/address for the guy that makes ignitors,etc. for Titan and other IHC engines. Believe he is from Ohio or Indiana. He had a website with good pics of his parts available too. thanks in advance, Curt Andree From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:10:44 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:10:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Joke list Message-ID: <012801c53a99$47f4ccc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> If you were on the joke list and you dont get anything . let me know as this change to the new Puter lost my joke lists and a lot of other stuff that I am just finding out about. I have already been beaten about the head and body for losing some of Marg's stuff! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:11:21 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:11:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <001601c53a99$61390020$b9d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I am also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at his Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron filings as Arnie suggests! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Hi Chester, > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I think > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, >> thanks. >> Chester from West Aussie. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 6 04:25:09 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:25:09 +0000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: <425327B3.5050902@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks alot Rupert. I will report on how it comes out. I have the oxy torch set so heat won't be problem. As long as it holds I'll be happy. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: Rupert Wenig >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder >Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 > >Hello Luke, > I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large enough >to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch will work for >very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet or an acetylene >turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I could be wrong but I >don't think straight propane will do the job. You also should have tinted >goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles are fine. > Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. >The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and >flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the >parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the joint >to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to flow. >Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot enough when >it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to use the heat to >draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little bit off the solder >wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with some scrap to get >familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar to remove any excess >flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of flux on all sides of >the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your joint. The solder should >have flowed right through the joint in a nice even thin layer if everything >is right. It may take a few tries to get it right. An other point- don't >overheat the joint as overheating will cause an oxide to form in the joint >and prevent solder adhesion. > > Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. I >bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a few >years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a piece of >ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the parts in the >clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts together. The rest >of the procedure is the same as above. > > Try this and let us know how you make out. >Rupert >Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't >confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. From rwenig at telus.net Tue Apr 5 17:13:41 2005 From: rwenig at telus.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:13:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder In-Reply-To: <6f60251605040516152c265b7c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4251F747.7070601@telus.net> <6f60251605040516152c265b7c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <425329B5.8050000@telus.net> Hello, A flux made by making a paste using borax and water will work fine for silver soldering if you don't have the proper flux on hand. Rupert Listerdiesel wrote: > On Apr 5, 2005 4:00 PM, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >>Thanks Rupert. Could you give me any tips/advice for the process of silver >>soldering? This will be my first attempt at it. >> >>Luke Tonneberger > > > I think Reggie may be away, his mailbox is full according to the > failure messages I am getting back. > > Silver soldering is a lower temperature method of fixing bits together > than brazing but higher temp than soft soldering. I use a standard gas > torch (oxy-acetylene) on a small nozzle and low flame, and keep the > flame moving, don't let it overheat in one spot. > > Cleanliness and a good flux are essential, and a fine gas nozzle so > you can keep the heat local and run the molten solder along a joint. > > It's a bit expensive for large joints, but for small stuff the solder > wicks into joints very nicely. Check what type of fluxes you can get, > and as always you need practice to make perfect. > > Peter From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Apr 6 07:41:18 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:41:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows In-Reply-To: <20050405.234339.1048.2.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050405.234339.1048.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050406073741.01a89b50@mail.pennswoods.net> Hi Joe check around at your local tire and repair shops. You will find worn out rotors that are smaller and work as good as rims. Also just make a small cut in chain links and weld to up rite then just slide rope in each one.[[just my HO]] R Fink At 08:35 PM 4/5/2005, you wrote: > open allows you to easily slip a small rope in it when it is welded on >the end of >the rod. Keeps you from having to thread the rope thru a bunch of >holes.> > >The Monkey Link sounds like a good idea. >What I did was to make 3/8" re-bar stanchions and weld a 3/4" washer >about 3" from the top. >You can slip a loop through the washer and over the top of the rod and >it's good to go. >If you need to take a section down to let someone drive in or out, just >take the loop over the top >and slip it out of the washer. Presto ! > >For the base I probably would use old tire rims. >They're redily available in the local woods - FREE !!! > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:42:47 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:42:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder References: Message-ID: <014601c53a9d$c1662320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Dont try using that stuff for copper pipe either! Failure will be imminent! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder > Thanks alot Rupert. I will report on how it comes out. I have the oxy > torch set so heat won't be problem. As long as it holds I'll be happy. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================== > >>From: Rupert Wenig >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder >>Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 >> >>Hello Luke, >> I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large >> enough to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch will >> work for very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet or an >> acetylene turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I could be >> wrong but I don't think straight propane will do the job. You also should >> have tinted goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles are fine. >> Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. >> The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and >> flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the >> parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the joint >> to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to flow. >> Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot enough when >> it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to use the heat >> to draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little bit off the >> solder wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with some scrap to >> get familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar to remove any >> excess flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of flux on all >> sides of the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your joint. The >> solder should have flowed right through the joint in a nice even thin >> layer if everything is right. It may take a few tries to get it right. An >> other point- don't overheat the joint as overheating will cause an oxide >> to form in the joint and prevent solder adhesion. >> >> Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. >> I bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a >> few years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a >> piece of ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the >> parts in the clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts >> together. The rest of the procedure is the same as above. >> >> Try this and let us know how you make out. >>Rupert >>Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't >>confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 6 04:51:02 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 04:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <2117.165.206.180.102.1112788262.squirrel@antique-engines.com> So what happened and what'd ya git? Bill > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 6 04:58:38 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:58:38 +0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Silver solder References: <014601c53a9d$c1662320$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <000f01c53a9f$fcc3f940$b9d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Another aspect of silver soldering as in the jewellery trade ....hard and easy ,these have different melting points and are great if you are doing a job ..soldering on soldering . ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder > Dont try using that stuff for copper pipe either! > Failure will be imminent! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luke Tonneberger" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder > > >> Thanks alot Rupert. I will report on how it comes out. I have the oxy >> torch set so heat won't be problem. As long as it holds I'll be happy. >> >> Luke Tonneberger >> Rockford, Michigan >> USA >> =================== >> >>>From: Rupert Wenig >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Silver solder >>>Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:05:07 -0600 >>> >>>Hello Luke, >>> I shall try. First you need a good torch with a neutral flame large >>> enough to get the parts up to a dull red heat. A small propane torch >>> will work for very small parts but I think you will need either oxy/acet >>> or an acetylene turbo torch (Seibert type) to solder a 3/4" shaft. I >>> could be wrong but I don't think straight propane will do the job. You >>> also should have tinted goggles to protect you eyes. Oxy/ Acet goggles >>> are fine. >>> Second; The process is similar to soft soldering if you have done that. >>> The main difference is the temperature where the solder flows. Clean and >>> flux the joint, clamp in a jig with about 0.001-.002" space between the >>> parts. This space is room for the solder to flow into. Now heat the >>> joint to almost red watching the flux. The flux will melt and start to >>> flow. Touch the joint with the silver solder wire. The joint is hot >>> enough when it flows. Move the torch to the other side at this point to >>> use the heat to draw the solder into the joint. I like to melt a little >>> bit off the solder wire to set on the joint as a guide. Try this with >>> some scrap to get familiar with the process. Pickle in household vinegar >>> to remove any excess flux. You should be able to see a nice thin line of >>> flux on all sides of the joint. Cut across the joint and look at your >>> joint. The solder should have flowed right through the joint in a nice >>> even thin layer if everything is right. It may take a few tries to get >>> it right. An other point- don't overheat the joint as overheating will >>> cause an oxide to form in the joint and prevent solder adhesion. >>> >>> Another way to set the parts up is to get the ribbon type silver solder. >>> I bought the ribbon type I have from Cole's Power Models but that was a >>> few years ago. Your nearest hobby store may carry it also. You place a >>> piece of ribbon with flux on both sides in the joint when you put the >>> parts in the clamping jig with a little pressure to squeeze the parts >>> together. The rest of the procedure is the same as above. >>> >>> Try this and let us know how you make out. >>>Rupert >>>Ps. Refrigeration guys in your area may have Silver solder on hand. Don't >>>confuse it with "Silfos". "Silfos" can only be used on copper. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gwaugh at wowway.com Tue Apr 5 12:22:18 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:22:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <200504051922.j35JMG6d014143@pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com> http://www.eastwood.com/ Check the folks above out---they make about every finish known to car restorers. Gene Waugh -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of bill at antique-engines.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. I want that original galvanized "look" back. What can be done, if anything? Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. Bill _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 6 05:48:48 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... In-Reply-To: <200504051922.j35JMG6d014143@pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <3457.165.206.180.102.1112711687.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <200504051922.j35JMG6d014143@pop-9.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <2302.165.206.180.102.1112791728.squirrel@antique-engines.com> A related question - was the Associated tank - the one with the name stamped in the top, just a galvanized finish, or was it painted? Bill > > http://www.eastwood.com/ > > Check the folks above out---they make about every finish known to car > restorers. > > Gene Waugh > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > bill at antique-engines.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:35 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] OT a little - galvanized parts.... > > Let's say that we have a part that was originally galvanized. Over the > years the part was painted, rusted a bit, cleaned, repainted, painted > again, and now I have it cleaned up but the original galvanized finish > isn't what it should be on the top - the part people will see. > I want that original galvanized "look" back. > What can be done, if anything? > > Fuel tanks are one example. Some brackets are another example. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 6 05:59:17 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 06:59:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: John, on your rig take a test light and see which pins are hot (with your lights on.) Is it correct? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled > out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. > Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the > brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. > But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 6 06:03:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:03:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Show Awnings References: <42539480.90101@fidnet.com> Message-ID: Thanks all!! RickinMt. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Apr 6 06:03:49 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:03:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4253DE35.7020209@steamengine.com.au> Sounds good - one thing I was always amazed at with Portland was how many tractors there were and just how few were moving! Paul Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Just received the Newsletter for Portland. Looks like some pretty big > changes for the engine area this year. The engine area to the East of > the log cabin and by the horse barns will now be tractors. Saw mill and > threshing will also be in that area. That portion of the engine area > will now be out in the tractor area to the North of the big engines or > to the West of the consignment sale barn. Part of the new land acquired > to the East will have an area for the tractors to plow. I see why they > moved the tractors, can't have them driving through the crowds. Will be > interesting to see how many tractors will actually be operated. Will > also be interesting to see what others think and how it works out. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 5/04/2005 From b2 at chooka.net Wed Apr 6 07:15:33 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 09:15:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <003101c53ab3$18b74c70$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Curt, is Ted Brookover your man? His page inventories ignitors for identification and it seems he was the guy making reproductions, too. He's in Kansas City. http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/index.htm B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "SEL Lists" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:05 AM Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed > My puter hard drive crashed last month and lost the name/address for the > guy > that makes ignitors,etc. for Titan and other IHC engines. Believe he is > from > Ohio or Indiana. He had a website with good pics of his parts available > too. > thanks in advance, > Curt Andree > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From gwaugh at wowway.com Tue Apr 5 12:18:33 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:18:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <200504051742.j35Hg60N020427@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200504051922.j35JMgGk006994@pop-7.dnv.wideopenwest.com> I am NOT an electrical pro, but especially with low voltage, common grounds, etc., I have learned one thing: CHECK THE GROUND. RUN A SPECIFIC/SEPARATE GROUND. All kinds of crazy things can come to pass!!! Yeah, I know, this is another off-topic, me-too post, but the topic is sorta on topic, and the emphasis is worth the repetition!. IMHO Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:42 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > figured all the grounds & other connections were clean & tight, Not necessarily so, John. Check your ground. If it looks good, make it better. If you have to test it by clamping a jumper cable to your bumber and the trailer, do it. I suspect the ground is not perfect, and you've got voltages back feeding through filaments and doing all kinds of crazy things. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 6 02:18:10 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:18:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Big engines at night Message-ID: <200504061444.j36EibKl027746@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> On my way home from Wagga on Sunday night I spied these three big engines resting in the darkness: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/05040310.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/05040311.JPG One is American the other two are Australian. They make nice lawn ornaments ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 6 08:45:22 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:45:22 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> <003101c53ab3$18b74c70$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> Message-ID: <000801c53abf$a55b0f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Bill, Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill health I don't think he is any longer. Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check with him. Also check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Brueck" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > Curt, is Ted Brookover your man? His page inventories ignitors for > identification and it seems he was the guy making reproductions, too. He's > in Kansas City. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/index.htm > > B? > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA > > Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "SEL Lists" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:05 AM > Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed > > > > My puter hard drive crashed last month and lost the name/address for the > > guy > > that makes ignitors,etc. for Titan and other IHC engines. Believe he is > > from > > Ohio or Indiana. He had a website with good pics of his parts available > > too. > > thanks in advance, > > Curt Andree > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/05 > > From rustyiron at bigpond.com Wed Apr 6 14:31:55 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 05:31:55 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi John, With all the trailers I've wired up, I always solder each joint and use an earth wire. Don't use the trailer as a commond earth, I think this is called a "Double Poled" system, an old Pommie system. I'm not to sure on electric brakes, I know there is the wire from the control box, where you control how much pressure is applied to the trailer brakes, but how is this system earthed at the brake drum? As you are a Shooter I have to tell you, last night I had my first shot with a 50cal, what a blast. We have a few of the boys over before they go to play in the sand, and asked if I'd like to have a go, like a rat up a drain pipe, I was in that turret shooting the guts out of an old Holden at 700 yards. I've still got a grin from ear to ear 24hrs after the fact. Andy.... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:52 AM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > Although I do use my trailer for hauling my engines & tractor - I hauled out > my 16' flatbed trailer today in preparation for summer shows, & noticed > something peculiar. All the running lights work fine, as well as the brake > lights, but when the lights are on, the electric brakes are engaging. Enough > that when I turn the lights on when pulling it, I can really feel the brakes > grabbing, so they are engaging all the way. Any ideas? I figured all the > grounds & other connections were clean & tight, since the lights worked. But > could it be a frayed wire touching the body & feeding back into the brake > wire? But that would blow the fuse, right? Got me stumped. > Thanks for the help, > John > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 6 08:12:20 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:12:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland Message-ID: Luke, In looking at the picture I see there is also an "ale area"! ;-) George Ps..... Yes, I know it really is a "sale area", but the "s" blends in with the light background and all you see is ale area. > -----Original Message----- > > See this picture for reference: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/temp/portland_showgrounds.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 6 08:23:32 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:23:32 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > What I did was to make 3/8" re-bar stanchions and weld a 3/4" > washer about 3" from the top. > You can slip a loop through the washer and over the top of > the rod and it's good to go. > If you need to take a section down to let someone drive in or > out, just take the loop over the top and slip it out of the > washer. Presto ! > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Joe, That sounds like a good system for the top rope. A lot of shows or clubs require that two ropes be used. Don't think your washer would work well for the lower rope. I'm guessing that you only use a single rope for your display. George From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 08:30:49 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:30:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com> <008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <425400A9.40307@fidnet.com> Reg, let me know how the begging bowl routine works out for you as I need to upgrade as well. Gary R & M Ingold wrote: > Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > >> Glad you're back Reg. >> >> Gary >> >> R & M Ingold wrote: >> >>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete >>> new one. >>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>> >>> Reg. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 6 09:17:56 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:17:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland References: Message-ID: <005301c53ac4$32c4b380$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Big Changes at Portland > Luke, > In looking at the picture I see there is also an "ale area"! ;-) > George > Ps..... Yes, I know it really is a "sale area", but the "s" blends in > with the light background and all you see is ale area. Hi George, I thought for a second that civilization had reached the USA! I suspect that the fact that all English engine shows have a Beer tent help Arnie to keep returning. 8^) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 6 09:56:35 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:56:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <20050406165635.93431.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Good to see you back again Reg. Looking forward to more pearls of wisdom. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 11:40:40 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 19:40:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 6, 2005 10:31 PM, Andy wrote: > Don't use the trailer as a commond earth, I think this is > called a "Double Poled" system, an old Pommie system. "Insulated earth return" is used almost exclusively on road tankers over here, although there is a slow movement towards wider acceptance on trucks generally. We run an earth conductor separately, most 7-core trailer wire has a larger earth core than the rest, but otherwise the standard one has to do. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 6 12:11:48 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:11:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040620051105.9495.4253C2600001F8430000251721979133630A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com><003101c53ab3$18b74c70$190a0a0a@apluscomputer.local> <000801c53abf$a55b0f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <007001c53adc$800eb1f0$230110ac@PAUL> Charlie, I think Don Oberholtzer is the man Curt is looking for. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > Bill, > > Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill health I > don't think he is any longer. > Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check > with > him. Also > check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. > > Charlie > > > ----- From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 6 13:49:21 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:49:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050406.165327.916.1.jlb94@juno.com> In a message dated 4/6/2005 12:15:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << For the base I probably would use old tire rims. They're redily available in the local woods - FREE !! >> The folks using the "portable" fences with coffee cans filled with cement had a box on their trailer or in back of truck that held the cans from rolling around. Made for easy storage. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 6 14:39:19 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 16:39:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > Most of the shows I attend only have one rope. > Now that I'm thinking on it, I don't think any shows, here, > have two ropes. > > A lot of them have no ropes or barriers of any kind. > Most guys know how to set up and be courteous about it. > That's why I think all this "rope" - "fences" - "barriers" > talk is unnecessary. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. I agree! We don't need no stinkin ropes! ;-) If people used common sense and kept out of moving machinery and didn't look for someone else to blame when they do something stupid the world would be a much nicer place. However, with the way the world is you've got to have insurance and if you want insurance you've got to attempt to keep people from hurting themselves. All the westcoast shows and EDGETA shows require double ropes on engine exhibits. George From alanwh at iinet.net.au Wed Apr 6 06:23:40 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:23:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: 215770578 Message-ID: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also Alan in Wagga -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM To: List SEL Subject: [SEL] back again After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new one. The wallet is hurting but......................! Reg. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Wed Apr 6 06:24:28 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:24:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National rally photos Message-ID: <000901c53aab$f6b1e740$b12eadcb@xxxx> Well for all those looking for photos, I have finally had computer problem fixed. You will find photos under webshots. regards Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 16:30:42 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:30:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com><008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <425400A9.40307@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <00a201c53b00$a6a16140$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Two buttons and a cig butt so far!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > Reg, let me know how the begging bowl routine works out for you as I > need to upgrade as well. > > Gary > > R & M Ingold wrote: >> Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] back again >> >> >>> Glad you're back Reg. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> R & M Ingold wrote: >>> >>>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete >>>> new one. >>>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>>> >>>> Reg. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>> at a leisurely pace. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 6 17:01:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:01:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question In-Reply-To: <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net> <007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office> <009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050406200036.0d25da08@mail.alltel.net> >"Insulated earth return" is used almost exclusively on road tankers >over here, although there is a slow movement towards wider acceptance >on trucks generally. >We run an earth conductor separately, most 7-core trailer wire has a >larger earth core than the rest, but otherwise the standard one has to >do. >Peter Damn Peter, You have no idea how glad I am to know what you do in the UK! Dave From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Wed Apr 6 17:06:08 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:06:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National rally photos References: <000901c53aab$f6b1e740$b12eadcb@xxxx> Message-ID: <00b801c53b05$9a0a03b0$b53354d2@Cam> Nice job on your Photo's Jim, very interesting Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bethell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: [SEL] National rally photos Well for all those looking for photos, I have finally had computer problem fixed. You will find photos under webshots. regards Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Apr 6 17:40:48 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:40:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <022e01c539b3$03e4c260$210110ac@service> <001601c53a99$61390020$b9d03dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <009c01c53b0a$71894360$210110ac@service> Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his is on the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it was hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines with breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel filler. Thanks again, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I am > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at his > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron > filings as Arnie suggests! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > To: "Stationary Engine List" > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > Hi Chester, > > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I think > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this and > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, > >> thanks. > >> Chester from West Aussie. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jhcullom at adelphia.net Wed Apr 6 17:50:08 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 20:50:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c> <6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <018b01c53b0b$bf658e30$6401a8c0@office> I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... Thanks again guys, John From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 6 18:21:56 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:21:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <019801c53b11$e8787b60$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <> Ha! Wont be long now before the wire mesh fences invade you too! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 6 19:29:14 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:29:14 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi SEL, I got the Monitor running today that I picked up at Portland last year. It has gone through a complete overhaul and rebuild and now looks presentable. I lost track of where the needle valve was set and find that the it has to be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny amount of turn from over rich to over lean. I wonder if this is a case of one size fits all. Barely open for a small engine and much father for a bigger engine. Anybody have any feelings on this? PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole does not appear to have been enlarged. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 6 20:09:27 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:09:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse ZD (Salt Block/Shoe Box) Status Update Message-ID: <60.52ed9ad1.2f85fe67@aol.com> Hi List, Today we had fire. Yes, I got one of the Fairbanks Morse ZD running. It was sweet music to my ears after all the time this engine has been idle. Thanks to the information that various list members sent me, I was able to time the engine without any major problems. When I first received some of the data, it didn't make sense at the time. After getting into guts of the engine, every thing started to come together. Most of the replacement parts came from "Hit & Miss". They were very prompt in getting the parts to me. I was able to use my newly refurbished valve grinder to reface the valves. The seats were OK and just required some lapping. Adjusting the valve gap required removal of the camshaft several times as I made changes to the adjusting shims. Making the fuel line was an experience. Bending the copper tubing into the right shape took a little time. I finally ended up by soldering a brass fitting on to the small gas cap and I used an o-ring instead of a brass compression ferrule. With this set up, I was to adjust the length of the fuel line going into the gas tank and it also allows the easy removal of the fuel line. The hopper was full of "junk". The head was removed in order to fully clean the water passages. The drain plug on the head was replaced. To remove plug, the heat wrench had to be used. Before firing the engine (with the crankcase cover removed), I turned the engine over with an electic motor to ensure that every thing was reinstalled correctly and functionally operating. Again thanks to the entire list for the good information (including OT) that is shared with all. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From jbcast at charter.net Wed Apr 6 20:12:33 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 3:12:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: <3rb42s$riq6pq@mxip20a.cluster1.charter.net> > I lost track of where the needle valve was set and find that the it has to > be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny amount of turn from over rich to > over lean. I wonder if this is a case of one size fits all. Barely open > for a small engine and much father for a bigger engine. Anybody have any > feelings on this? > Jim, usually a small engine with a big carb needs to be richened, the air is moving through to slow to pull fuel. J.B. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Wed Apr 6 20:15:34 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:15:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine Message-ID: <410-2200544731534968@earthlink.net> Chester, I went and had a look at my 4 1/2 upright today and there is no gas breather pipe on it. I have had it down to bare metal and would have remembered one if there was one. My 2 1/2 upright does have one though. I have just finished up the painting on the 4 1/2 so I don't know how well it will work without a breather hole yet, might have to make one. Tim Christoff > [Original Message] > From: SERVICE > To: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 4/7/2005 11:39:13 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his is on > the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it was > hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines with > breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel filler. > Thanks again, > Chester. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I > am > > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at > his > > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron > > filings as Arnie suggests! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > > > > Hi Chester, > > > > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as to > > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I > think > > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it with > > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work to > > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > > > > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this > and > > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i am > > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on the > > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending on > > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any comments, > > >> thanks. > > >> Chester from West Aussie. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 6 20:20:33 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 22:20:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <00a201c53b00$a6a16140$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <001601c53a72$446cc930$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <42539109.6060907@fidnet.com><008201c53a88$9b6a85e0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <425400A9.40307@fidnet.com> <00a201c53b00$a6a16140$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <4254A701.7060402@fidnet.com> Ouch! R & M Ingold wrote: > Two buttons and a cig butt so far!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > >> Reg, let me know how the begging bowl routine works out for you as I >> need to upgrade as well. >> >> Gary >> >> R & M Ingold wrote: >> >>> Gary, I will be round with the begging bowl to pay for it all! >>> Reg & Marg Ingold. >>> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >>> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >>> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Epps" >>> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 5:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SEL] back again >>> >>> >>>> Glad you're back Reg. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> R & M Ingold wrote: >>>> >>>>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete >>>>> new one. >>>>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>>>> >>>>> Reg. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SEL mailing list >>>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I >>>> move at a leisurely pace. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Wed Apr 6 20:49:13 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:49:13 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <410-2200544731534968@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00f501c53b24$c391f070$210110ac@service> Hi Tim, from what iv been told the breather is a small hole only, no pipe or fitting, about 1/8 diameter, thanks for looking. Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Christoff" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Chester, I went and had a look at my 4 1/2 upright today and there is no > gas breather pipe on it. I have had it down to bare metal and would have > remembered one if there was one. My 2 1/2 upright does have one though. I > have just finished up the painting on the 4 1/2 so I don't know how well it > will work without a breather hole yet, might have to make one. > > Tim Christoff > > > > [Original Message] > > From: SERVICE > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Date: 4/7/2005 11:39:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his is > on > > the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it > was > > hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines > with > > breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel > filler. > > Thanks again, > > Chester. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > > > > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic . I > > am > > > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look at > > his > > > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron > > > filings as Arnie suggests! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > To: "Stationary Engine List" > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chester, > > > > > > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions as > to > > > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux technique > > > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I > > think > > > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it > with > > > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also work > to > > > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post the > > > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) > > > > > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > > > > > Arnie Fero > > > > Pittsburgh, PA > > > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a 4.5hp > > > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring this > > and > > > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying to > > > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as i > am > > > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on > the > > > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side depending > on > > > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any > comments, > > > >> thanks. > > > >> Chester from West Aussie. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > SEL mailing list > > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 6 20:50:09 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:50:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: <20050407.001436.1292.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Tom, Okay - Coffee cans - plastic buckets - wheel rims - 2x4's in an "X" - I guess you gotta do what you gotta do ! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 6 20:57:07 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 23:57:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] back again Message-ID: <20050407.001436.1292.4.jlb94@juno.com> Two buttons and a cig butt so far!! Reg & Marg Ingold. = = = = = Cheap at twice the price. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 6 21:34:27 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:34:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: <20050406.213427.1440.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Congratulations Jim. Pictures, we need pictures. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:29:14 -0700 "Jim and Diane" writes: > Hi SEL, > > I got the Monitor running today that I picked up at Portland last > year. It > has gone through a complete overhaul and rebuild and now looks > presentable. > I lost track of where the needle valve was set and find that the it > has to > be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny amount of turn from over > rich to > over lean. I wonder if this is a case of one size fits all. Barely > open > for a small engine and much father for a bigger engine. Anybody > have any > feelings on this? > > PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole > does not > appear to have been enlarged. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 7 01:22:14 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:22:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <20050407082156.EZYQ1294.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@bwmam11.bigpond.com> Welcome back to the list Alan. You have been a long time away. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also Alan in Wagga From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Apr 7 01:34:09 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:34:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin> welcome back Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] back again > After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > > Alan in Wagga > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM > To: List SEL > Subject: [SEL] back again > > After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > one. > The wallet is hurting but......................! > > Reg. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Apr 7 02:10:19 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:10:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <008101c53b51$9ed0f010$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day Alan Welcome back after several years absence, a lot of name have changed but you will still recognise many. In some ways its like watching Days of Your Lives miss it for years and come back to the same plot 8-)) Kerry > After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > PS. Thanks again for arranging the Wagga Club visit for Curt and Missy, we all enjoyed it totally. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 6/04/2005 From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Apr 7 03:37:52 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:37:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <009701c53b5d$dac04c40$ba3354d2@Cam> Gaday Brock where ya been. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > welcome back Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] back again > > >> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also >> >> Alan in Wagga >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M >> Ingold >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM >> To: List SEL >> Subject: [SEL] back again >> >> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >> one. >> The wallet is hurting but......................! >> >> Reg. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Apr 7 03:38:50 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:38:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with an IHC tag on it? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From cgandree at mchsi.com Thu Apr 7 03:45:06 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:45:06 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed Message-ID: <040720051045.8091.42550F320009524B00001F9B21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Thanks Paul, Don is the fellow Iam looking for and have made contact with him. Curt Andree > Charlie, I think Don Oberholtzer is the man Curt is looking for. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles R Bryant" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > > > > Bill, > > > > Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill health I > > don't think he is any longer. > > Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check > > with > > him. Also > > check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. > > > > Charlie > > > > > > ----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From alanwh at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 7 04:01:37 2005 From: alanwh at iinet.net.au (Alan) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:01:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again In-Reply-To: 219840496 Message-ID: <200504071101.j37B1c2c030424@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Kerry and Brock Yes have noticed a few familiar names coming up Glad that Terry was able to show u around the shed. We had a good rally for the first time last weekend all went of very well but for the dust storm only a few shelters torn and a lot of mud on engines from the dust and rain. Still most were happy also had a excellent meal in the hall on the grounds on Saturday night, a real fun night Alan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:10 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] back again G'Day Alan Welcome back after several years absence, a lot of name have changed but you will still recognise many. In some ways its like watching Days of Your Lives miss it for years and come back to the same plot 8-)) Kerry > After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > PS. Thanks again for arranging the Wagga Club visit for Curt and Missy, we all enjoyed it totally. From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Apr 7 04:03:47 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:03:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin> <009701c53b5d$dac04c40$ba3354d2@Cam> Message-ID: <003801c53b61$7a3f1c30$5f11fea9@merlin> working in wagga for the last week & half or so ----- Original Message ----- From: "cam grundy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > Gaday Brock where ya been. Cam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brock Summerfield" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > >> welcome back Alan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan" >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] back again >> >> >>> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also >>> >>> Alan in Wagga >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M >>> Ingold >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM >>> To: List SEL >>> Subject: [SEL] back again >>> >>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new >>> one. >>> The wallet is hurting but......................! >>> >>> Reg. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 7 04:07:23 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:07:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IHC parts needed References: <040720051045.8091.42550F320009524B00001F9B21979129950A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <006501c53b61$fc3cd9c0$230110ac@PAUL> I figure he was Curt as he was the one at Portland that had your IHC part you were looking for and I could never get you on the telephone, a storm or something had knocked out your telephones. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed > Thanks Paul, Don is the fellow Iam looking for and have made contact with > him. > Curt Andree > > >> Charlie, I think Don Oberholtzer is the man Curt is looking for. >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles R Bryant" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC parts needed >> >> >> > Bill, >> > >> > Ted Brookover's father Calvin was making igniters but due to ill >> > health I >> > don't think he is any longer. >> > Also due to health problems I don't believe Ted is but you might check >> > with >> > him. Also >> > check with Don Oberholtzer (AGEE1 at aol.com). Don did have some. >> > >> > Charlie >> > >> > >> > ----- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Apr 7 04:34:12 2005 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:34:12 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National rally photos In-Reply-To: <000901c53aab$f6b1e740$b12eadcb@xxxx> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20050407213245.00b22870@mail.ncable.com.au> Hey well done Jimbo Nice lot of iron there. The green petter on page 4, is that the same as mine?? What hp was it and was it marked a handyman or an Anglo?? Russell At 11:24 PM 6/04/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Well for all those looking for photos, I have finally had computer problem >fixed. You will find photos under webshots. >regards >Jim Bethell >Gateway to the Outback >http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 7 05:58:49 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:58:49 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: Message-ID: <000c01c53b71$8ed76070$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Mike, Osborne was one of the companies IHC bought, so the Osborne dealers sold the Famous engines as "Osborne" engines. They were that dark blue in color. I would say if you have an original Osborne engine with the tags it could be worth a few thousends more. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone > who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built > around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except > painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between > Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention > anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the > connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did > Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's > an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with > an IHC tag on it? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 7 05:05:25 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:05:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Monitor References: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <008c01c53b6a$1582e840$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole does not > appear to have been enlarged. What JB said , I machine the threads off a 3/8 X 18 npt brass reducer bushing and make the OD a press fit and tap it into the hole to reduce the venturi up up the velocette . They will tune down a little easier , when run slower . Grab it with pliers and twist it out - bam- original high speed mixer ! Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 7 05:08:30 2005 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:08:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] eye candy Message-ID: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> great depression era thinking http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Guilder1.jpg new hit n miss in crate http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/2cylSteam2.jpg a brand new knuckle http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KnuckleHD2.JPG which is more complicated i wonder , a knuckle or a mery ? Chuck Balyeat http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 7 06:41:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:41:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <000c01c53b71$8ed76070$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Mike go here and type in Osborne in the search.: http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/whi/index.asp Neat Stuff! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hi Mike, > Osborne was one of the companies IHC bought, so the Osborne > dealers sold the Famous engines as "Osborne" engines. They were > that dark blue in color. I would say if you have an original Osborne > engine with the tags it could be worth a few thousends more. > > Regards, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone > > who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built > > around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except > > painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between > > Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention > > anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the > > connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did > > Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's > > an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with > > an IHC tag on it? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Mike > > -- > > ____________________ > > Michael Tucker > > Midway, Kentucky, USA > > mtucker at uky.edu > > ____________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Apr 7 07:07:05 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:07:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eye candy In-Reply-To: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <462a2e566d70911a2942cffee078d170@chartertn.net> Great stuff, Chuck! John On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:08 AM, wrote: > great depression era thinking > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Guilder1.jpg > > new hit n miss in crate > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/2cylSteam2.jpg > > a brand new knuckle > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KnuckleHD2.JPG > > which is more complicated i wonder , a knuckle or a mery ? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 07:33:07 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:33:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows Message-ID: > < ropes on engine > exhibits>> > > Ha! Wont be long now before the wire mesh fences invade you too! > Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg, The day that happens will be the day I most likely stop exhibiting engines. I got into this hobby because I like mechanical things and have always tinkered with engines and other mechanical things. I can keep my toys at home and have plenty of fun and I have plenty of friends with engines that I can go visit. I'm not in the hobby for the engine shows, so not exhibiting isn't a problem for me. George From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 7 10:35:36 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 13:35:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Monitor In-Reply-To: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <005e01c53b19$986479f0$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <42556F68.80104@imc-group.com> Jim, Congratulations on the completion of your Baker Monitor! Maybe I need to send you Devin's so it will actually get done! Running Devin's I noticed exactly what you have observed concering the sensitivity of the needle valve. His needed a new needle valve anyway, so when I made it I halved the taper. In otherwords it was much less stubby. This should allow a finer adjustment. Here is the link of the drawing I made of the needle valve. I made this drawing a year or more ago and can't recall if this documents the original needle valve or the way I actually made it. You can compare it to the one you have and see. Maybe you can experiment with an even narrower taper to allow an even finer adjustment. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Needlevalve.bmp Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim and Diane wrote: > Hi SEL, > > I got the Monitor running today that I picked up at Portland last > year. It has gone through a complete overhaul and rebuild and now > looks presentable. I lost track of where the needle valve was set and > find that the it has to be opened about 1/16 of a turn, very tiny > amount of turn from over rich to over lean. I wonder if this is a > case of one size fits all. Barely open for a small engine and much > father for a bigger engine. Anybody have any feelings on this? > > PS. The needle does have a sharp point on it and the metering hole > does not appear to have been enlarged. > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 11:56:34 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:56:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Private shows Message-ID: I received the following in an "offlist" message: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- That's the beauty of having a bunch of autonomous clubs, rather than one national organization. If one group pisses you off, you can go to another. WAPA safety rules require one rope, but a couple years ago I suggested two, so that's what we do when it's feasible. I think that's the best way to go. There's only one show where I don't use ropes, but it's a private show in a guy's yard and the public is not invited. I suppose if all the clubs piss you off, you can make a WAIT club. Betcha all you'd have to do is give a couple months notice and folks would come from all over to attend your show! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public is welcome. What do you think about private shows? I've got several comments on this, but will wait to see if anyone is interested in this topic. George PS - Rob, I'm not mad at any of the clubs. Most of us are in the hobby because it is something we enjoy doing. If things change so you no longer enjoy a certain aspect of the hobby, there are plenty of other options available without getting mad. PSS - No WAIT club. I got out of EDGETA politics and have no interest in getting involved in club operations and politics. Besides I really don't have the time even if I wanted to. PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the room to put on a private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. However, not likely to happen. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Apr 7 12:29:55 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:29:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: Message-ID: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> Mike, I don't know the exact story about the Osborne engine, and I'm sure John Hammink know MUCH more about it. I think they were some manufactor of agricultural machinery and they were a IHC dealers. I have a 4hp vertical IHC Nonpareil, and I think it might be an Osborne too. http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/nonpareil.htm There were some traces of dark blue paint on the engine block under the bearings. As you can see in the photo's there is very little paint left;-) There are some very nice old pictures on your link Rick!! thanks Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tucker" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hello all, > > In my search for a 4 hp Famous, I got a call last night from someone > who has what he called an Osborn (sp?) that he thinks was built > around 1907. He described it as exactly like a Famous (except > painted blue) but he was a little fuzzy on the connection between > Osborn and IHC on the Famous line. The BRB/BYB doesn't mention > anything about Osborn so I was wondering if any of you folks knew the > connection. Did IHC sell the Famous under the Osborn name or did > Osborn make them under a license from IHC? Does the fact that it's > an Osborn change the price of the engine compared to an engine with > an IHC tag on it? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu > ____________________ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 7 12:32:41 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:32:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42558AD9.9040402@scrtc.com> George, I think there is a place for "engine folks only" get togethers. I don't know that they should become more predominant that the general open to the public events however. Sharing the interest of the old iron goes beyond just those that collect it. At our local show we have several people that come each year just to watch them run, pump water, generate electricity, etc. They don't own engines and aren't interested in owning the. But, they sure like to see them once or twice a year. Some bring the grand kids (and great grand kids) to show them how things used to be. If it ever came to the point that we were to limit gatherings to only those who collect the old iron, a great bit of history (along with the creation of future engine enthusiasts) will be lost. I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. Perhaps the eagerness to litigate would not be as strong however. Just my 2 cents. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > I received the following in an "offlist" message: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >----- >That's the beauty of having a bunch of autonomous clubs, rather than one >national organization. If one group pisses you off, you can go to >another. > >WAPA safety rules require one rope, but a couple years ago I suggested >two, so that's what we do when it's feasible. I think that's the best >way to go. >There's only one show where I don't use ropes, but it's a private show >in a guy's yard and the public is not invited. > >I suppose if all the clubs piss you off, you can make a WAIT club. >Betcha all you'd have to do is give a couple months notice and folks >would come from all over to attend your show! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >------ > >I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will >be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and >lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public >is welcome. > >What do you think about private shows? > >I've got several comments on this, but will wait to see if anyone is >interested in this topic. > >George > >PS - Rob, I'm not mad at any of the clubs. Most of us are in the hobby >because it is something we enjoy doing. If things change so you no >longer enjoy a certain aspect of the hobby, there are plenty of other >options available without getting mad. > >PSS - No WAIT club. I got out of EDGETA politics and have no interest >in getting involved in club operations and politics. Besides I really >don't have the time even if I wanted to. > >PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the room to put on a >private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. However, >not likely to happen. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 7 12:41:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I've only been to one "private engine show." It was at Phil & Sheila Laight's place in England. The "reason" for the event was to do a dry run of a newly restored engine before the "public unveiling" at the 1000 Engine Rally. Always nicer to get the bugs worked out among friends; the verbal abuse is so much friendlier. 8-)) Go to... And scroll down to Saturday June 16th... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/yank1.htm It was a really good time with a large number of engine friends in attendance. In fact this "do" had more engines running than some "public shows" that I've attended!! 8-)) I don't think it's a real common practice. However, since one of the main reasons for attending a show is to hook up with friends that you haven't seen in a while and "play engines" I could see private shows happening if public shows become a pain in the ass for exhibitors. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will > be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and > lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public > is welcome. From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Thu Apr 7 12:57:30 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:57:30 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: Message-ID: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> George, You sure could have a great show at your place! I understand that the safety regulations get worse in the US now. We have many shows that have no ropes, and thats fine. However when we are at some of the parking lot shows in town, we bring our own rope (plastic chains) to keep the crowd at a save distance. Sometimes the public in the city's is to stupid to understand that these running engines can cause much damage to a human body....... In my opinion when you are at a good orginized show at a big field, it's enough to have only one rope thats easy to cross for people that are really interested. having no rope at all, makes some people being annoyingly close to moving parts. Of course it's their fold if they get cought by a spinning flywheel or what ever, but I'd hate to see that happen. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: [SEL] Private shows > I received the following in an "offlist" message: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- > That's the beauty of having a bunch of autonomous clubs, rather than one > national organization. If one group pisses you off, you can go to > another. > > WAPA safety rules require one rope, but a couple years ago I suggested > two, so that's what we do when it's feasible. I think that's the best > way to go. > There's only one show where I don't use ropes, but it's a private show > in a guy's yard and the public is not invited. > > I suppose if all the clubs piss you off, you can make a WAIT club. > Betcha all you'd have to do is give a couple months notice and folks > would come from all over to attend your show! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > > I wonder how many "private" shows there are? Also wonder if that will > be done more and more in the future as the insurance companies and > lawyers make it more difficult for clubs to have shows where the public > is welcome. > > What do you think about private shows? > > I've got several comments on this, but will wait to see if anyone is > interested in this topic. > > George > > PS - Rob, I'm not mad at any of the clubs. Most of us are in the hobby > because it is something we enjoy doing. If things change so you no > longer enjoy a certain aspect of the hobby, there are plenty of other > options available without getting mad. > > PSS - No WAIT club. I got out of EDGETA politics and have no interest > in getting involved in club operations and politics. Besides I really > don't have the time even if I wanted to. > > PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the room to put on a > private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. However, > not likely to happen. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Thu Apr 7 13:09:03 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:09:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied to my Famous/Osborne questions. You learn something every day! I'll chew on this a little and decide if I want to buy this critter. Thanks again, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 7 13:35:56 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:35:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504072035.j37KZx2R077158@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got > the room to put on a private one and also have > neighbors that wouldn't complain. September is pretty up in Oregon, ain't it? That works for me. What will Kathy be fixing for all of us hungry enginemen? When you decide on an exact date for the WAIT show, be sure to give us plenty of time to clear our calendars. Rob From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 7 13:42:15 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:42:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Private shows Message-ID: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> In a message dated 4/7/2005 4:06:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. >> There is a new show starting up about an hour away that is being held on county property. They want each demonstrator to sign a form relieving the folks putting on the show and also the county of any and all liability. Not sure what they do about the spectators Anyone else familiar with this tactic? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 7 14:07:47 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:07:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, Are you sure about your Nonpareil engine, sofar I know they came first in 1909. I don't think an Osborn dealer sold engines to Czecho- Slovakia. Here you can see a Czech ad for the IHC Nonpareil engines. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/CzechNonpareil.jpg See you April 30th at your local show, bring my little engine buddy too. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I have a 4hp vertical IHC Nonpareil, and I think it might be an Osborne too. > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/nonpareil.htm > There were some traces of dark blue paint on the engine block under the > bearings. > As you can see in the photo's there is very little paint left;-) > > > Harry Terpstra /mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 14:15:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:15:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Private shows Message-ID: Rob, Good thing Kathy doesn't see these messages!! Although we did get a nice new big BBQ grill from the kids for Christmas this year;-) Couldn't match the Tulare show for quantity of burgers served on Friday night, but I'm sure we could supply enough. Although it is tempting and I'd be willing to do it, it has to be approved by a higher power before doing something like that :-) George Ps - No wise guys forwarding this message to Kathy please. :-) Pss - If you're a WAIT subscriber I'd make sure you got your copy last each month ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 1:36 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Private shows > > > > PSSS - I could see having a private show. I've got the > room to put on > > a private one and also have neighbors that wouldn't complain. > > September is pretty up in Oregon, ain't it? That works for > me. What will Kathy be fixing for all of us hungry > enginemen? When you decide on an exact date for the WAIT > show, be sure to give us plenty of time to clear our calendars. > > Rob > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rtbush at charter.net Thu Apr 7 14:33:10 2005 From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:33:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bureaucracy Looming - Could it Happen Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4255A716.2010303@charter.net> We'd have a whole lot of new folks in Washington if they tried that stuff here. Nobody would take these laws seriously, therefore, unenforceable. A good joke though. Bob Bushorr Brimfield, Massachusetts Old truck owner, old tractor owner, old engine owner >Hi Folks, > >I just read this interesting thread on the uk.rec.engines.stationary news >group. On the one hand I would hope that this stupid notion gets stuffed. >On the other, I've seen what the UK has done with firearms so it appears >that anything is possible. And given that bureaucrats love nothing more >than more bureaucracy, there is always the possibility that our politicos >might try and introduce something equally stupid. Keep your eyes open >folks, it could happen here. > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/uk.rec.engines.stationary/browse_thread/thread/961a8c83e1c12429 > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - the "lingo" is fun also. Dave, Peter, and Dolly will be happy to > translate as needed. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From rtbush at charter.net Thu Apr 7 14:37:28 2005 From: rtbush at charter.net (Bob Bushorr) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:37:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] eye candy In-Reply-To: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <008d01c53b6a$844c6b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <4255A818.8010607@charter.net> Don't everybody look at once, we may have crashed their website. I get an error saying "Connection refused" kerogas at sbcglobal.net wrote: >great depression era thinking >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Guilder1.jpg > >new hit n miss in crate >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/2cylSteam2.jpg > >a brand new knuckle >http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/KnuckleHD2.JPG > >which is more complicated i wonder , a knuckle or a mery ? > > > > > >Chuck Balyeat >http://royalcrossfarm.com/essentials.htm > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 7 14:43:23 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:43:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> Message-ID: <4255A97B.9020800@fidnet.com> Tom, what this says is that those bringing the exhibits bear all the liability for injury. If the organizors or the county is sued they defend themselves and then pass their defense costs back to you if it was your property/action that injured someone. Whether or not it was due to your careless or faulty equipment. The phrase "machinery in motion" has scared insurors for years. In my first life I was an insurance company casualty/property underwriter, you know, the person that writes the restrictive endorsements that helps the insurance company keep as much of the premium as possible for profit. Gary Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/7/2005 4:06:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: > > << I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" > getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries > just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. >> > > > There is a new show starting up about an hour away that is being held on > county property. They want each demonstrator to sign a form relieving the folks > putting on the show and also the county of any and all liability. Not sure what > they do about the spectators Anyone else familiar with this tactic? > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 7 14:46:27 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:46:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net> >There is a new show starting up about an hour away that is being held on >county property. They want each demonstrator to sign a form relieving the >folks >putting on the show and also the county of any and all liability. Not sure >what >they do about the spectators Anyone else familiar with this tactic? >Tom Schmutz It may make the county people feel good, but legally it's not worth the powder to blow it to hell! Dave From George_Best at adp.com Thu Apr 7 14:55:24 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:55:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Monitor Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > Here is the link of the drawing I made of the needle valve. I > made this drawing a year or more ago and can't recall if this > documents the original needle valve or the way I actually > made it. You can compare it to the one you have and see. > Maybe you can experiment with an even narrower taper to allow > an even finer adjustment. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Needlevalve.bmp > Curt Holland Curt, I'm impressed! You're the only guy I know that makes such detailed drawing of engine parts. But then I guess that since you do it as part of your job that you can do it on the computer as quickly as the rest of us could draw it with paper and pencil. Course most people would just chuck it up in the lathe and make a new point without doing any drawings. George From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Apr 7 15:20:30 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:20:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] back again References: <200504062326.j36NQrYS067718@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><001101c53b4c$930d8fe0$5f11fea9@merlin><009701c53b5d$dac04c40$ba3354d2@Cam> <003801c53b61$7a3f1c30$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <002001c53bc0$0234edf0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Thats why your truck hasn't moved from the front of the house. Been wondering why when driving past. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Summerfield" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > working in wagga for the last week & half or so > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cam grundy" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > > > Gaday Brock where ya been. Cam > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brock Summerfield" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] back again > > > > > >> welcome back Alan > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Alan" > >> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:23 PM > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] back again > >> > >> > >>> After talking to Patrick I am back on the list also > >>> > >>> Alan in Wagga > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of R & M > >>> Ingold > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:31 PM > >>> To: List SEL > >>> Subject: [SEL] back again > >>> > >>> After a terminal failure of my puter, I am now back with a complete new > >>> one. > >>> The wallet is hurting but......................! > >>> > >>> Reg. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SEL mailing list > >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Apr 7 15:39:54 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:39:54 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Parking lot shows References: Message-ID: <00f301c53bc4$147cd000$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Why do you think a lot of the joy has gone for a lot of us here? It sure aint the same these days. Too many power hungry rule makers. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:33 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Parking lot shows > >> <> ropes on engine >> exhibits>> >> >> Ha! Wont be long now before the wire mesh fences invade you too! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Reg, > > The day that happens will be the day I most likely stop exhibiting > engines. > > I got into this hobby because I like mechanical things and have always > tinkered with engines and other mechanical things. I can keep my toys > at home and have plenty of fun and I have plenty of friends with engines > that I can go visit. I'm not in the hobby for the engine shows, so not > exhibiting isn't a problem for me. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Apr 7 16:32:55 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:32:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <42558AD9.9040402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <002201c53bca$21387d70$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Private shows > George, > I think there is a place for "engine folks only" get togethers. I > don't know that they should become more predominant that the general > open to the public events however. Sharing the interest of the old iron > goes beyond just those that collect it. At our local show we have > several people that come each year just to watch them run, pump water, > generate electricity, etc. They don't own engines and aren't interested > in owning the. But, they sure like to see them once or twice a year. > Some bring the grand kids (and great grand kids) to show them how things > used to be. If it ever came to the point that we were to limit > gatherings to only those who collect the old iron, a great bit of > history (along with the creation of future engine enthusiasts) will be > lost. I know there is the concern over liability. But, an "engine man" > getting his finger caught in an engine at a private get together carries > just as much liability as a spectator doing the same. Perhaps the > eagerness to litigate would not be as strong however. Just my 2 cents. > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY Hi, The best I had as an unexpected show was many years ago when a country pub landlord asked us to put an Engine show on one Sunday in his carpark next to the pub. The weather was bad so no public turned up but we started the engines & took turns looking after them. We spent most of the day talking engines & drinking beer most of the day in the pub & the landlord provided a free lunch as well. A memorable day! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Thu Apr 7 16:56:15 2005 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c><6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com> <018b01c53b0b$bf658e30$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: <009801c53bcd$62580fc0$05c77040@user> John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. Start saving your change... Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... Thanks again guys, John _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 7 18:42:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 19:42:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: Howdy all; Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice where the main bearing cap is) http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were needed!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. Looking for new caps for a roundrod And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. RickinMt. From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Apr 7 19:00:33 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:00:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504080200.j3820VOj052710@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> OUCH! The question begs, why was it necessary to throw on the belt when the engine has a clutch pulley? The belt could have been put on before the engine was started. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Howdy all; Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice where the main bearing cap is) http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were needed!!! http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. Looking for new caps for a roundrod And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. RickinMt. From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 7 19:04:43 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:04:43 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: 220671652 Message-ID: <015b01c53bdf$549d7c00$0201010a@Portable> That looks nasty. How did the crank come out of it? Not bent? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From asouth at strato.net Thu Apr 7 19:20:17 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:20:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> For what it's worth; I have a private show every year in April. This year it is April 15-16-17. About ten couples attend and we have a blast. Sat. night is a pitch in supper. My 2 cents, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 7 19:40:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:40:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows In-Reply-To: <002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net> <002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407223712.0d46ce10@mail.alltel.net> At 10:20 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: >For what it's worth; >I have a private show every year in April. This year it is April 15-16-17. >About ten couples attend and we have a blast. Sat. night is a pitch in supper. >My 2 cents, >Arthur Hi Arthur, I haven't shown my privates for almost two years now. It's HELL getting old! Dave PS, Ten couples? WOW--you DA MAN! From jbcast at charter.net Thu Apr 7 20:05:55 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 3:05:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog Message-ID: <3rr0ks$r426rr@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> I picked up the 4hp Bulldog today, needs work but I should be able to get it going. Rod and piston are missing, pullrod and belcrank-cam follower missing. The governor, carb, fuel pump, and ignitor are there. I'll start with the head, need to free the rocker and valves, fabricate new valves. I'm sure this one will carry over into a winter project. J.B. Castagnos From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 7 23:51:55 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:51:55 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: Message-ID: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley stripped me naked. Heads up Rick, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 8 00:10:38 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:10:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net><002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407223712.0d46ce10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004601c53c0a$14d685f0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> From: "Dave Rotigel" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:40 AM > Hi Arthur, I haven't shown my privates for almost two years now. It's HELL > getting old! > Dave That's a pitty Dave, why not asking Rob Skinner for some old fashion "Elevator Lifting Grease" sure it helps. John H. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 8 02:00:33 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:00:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00df01c53c1a$2b3fb9a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Not too many years back, John Randall was 'bump starting' an engine with a big Lister when this happened. He was in between the two and got 'Bitten' He was a sick puppy for a while. I ALWAYS fit a pulley right up to the spokes, even on a model. It cuts down the chances....! Even though we are sorta familiar with this stuff, it does not give you any second chances. If you treat it with anything less than full thought, it is waiting to bite you! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you > started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the > belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and > had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. > On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case > it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. > Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley > stripped me naked. > > Heads up Rick, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > >> Howdy all; >> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice >> where the main bearing cap is) >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV >> >> and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >> needed!!! >> >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL >> >> Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. >> >> Looking for new caps for a roundrod >> >> And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. >> >> RickinMt. >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 8 03:14:16 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:14:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: Message-ID: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Rick, Its never pretty to see old iron in such a terrible state! If you want to send me the broken parts I can cast you a couple of new bearing caps. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 8 04:40:01 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:40:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Piece Message-ID: <42566D91.2000808@wightman.ca> http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/7725 -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 8 03:50:25 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:50:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] New Way engine References: <410-2200544731534968@earthlink.net> <00f501c53b24$c391f070$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <001201c53c28$c911ea00$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Chester....I had a look at Bob Baileys New way this morning. There is a small breather hole ,about 1/8th diam in the fuel filler plug ,looks like a 1/2BSP plug. I will send you a picture off list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > Hi Tim, > from what iv been told the breather is a small hole only, no pipe or > fitting, about 1/8 diameter, thanks for looking. > Chester. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Christoff" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine > > >> Chester, I went and had a look at my 4 1/2 upright today and there is no >> gas breather pipe on it. I have had it down to bare metal and would have >> remembered one if there was one. My 2 1/2 upright does have one though. > I >> have just finished up the painting on the 4 1/2 so I don't know how well > it >> will work without a breather hole yet, might have to make one. >> >> Tim Christoff >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: SERVICE >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Date: 4/7/2005 11:39:13 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine >> > >> > Hi guys, thanks for the input, Peter i have had a look at Bobs and his > is >> on >> > the governor side and he has a pop rivit in it, his is a 3.1/2hp, so it >> was >> > hard to work out exact spot on mine, i have been told that the engines >> with >> > breather on the side are later than engines with breather near fuel >> filler. >> > Thanks again, >> > Chester. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "peter ogborne" >> > To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 7:11 PM >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine >> > >> > >> > > Chester ....one of the boys up at Midland is going to send me a pic >> > > . > I >> > am >> > > also going to see Bob Bailey on Friday morning , i will have a look > at >> > his >> > > Newway and send you a picture.........might save you getting the iron >> > > filings as Arnie suggests! >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Arnie Fero" >> > > To: "Stationary Engine List" >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:51 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [SEL] New Way engine >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Chester, >> > > > >> > > > This is a wild shot... If you don't get any positive suggestions >> > > > as >> to >> > > > where the hole might be, it's just possible that a Magnaflux > technique >> > > > might work. I'd recommend looking the process up on the web, but I >> > think >> > > > basically you turn your crankcase into an electromagnet and dust it >> with >> > > > iron filings. Normally used to find cracks, but it should also >> > > > work >> to >> > > > find a plastic-filled small hole. Good luck. If it works, post >> > > > the >> > > > "success story." If it doesn't, forget I ever said anything. 8-)) >> > > > >> > > > See ya, Arnie >> > > > >> > > > Arnie Fero >> > > > Pittsburgh, PA >> > > > fero_ah at city-net.com >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, SERVICE wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Hi guys, i am currently restoring a vertical new way, it is a >> > > >> 4.5hp >> > > >> hinged crankcase hit miss, the previous owner started restoring > this >> > and >> > > >> has filled & painted over the fuel tank breather hole, i am trying > to >> > > >> find either pictures or a diagram of where this hole is located as > i >> am >> > > >> going to have to redrill it, i belive some engines had the hole on >> the >> > > >> governor side & some had it on the front fuel filler side >> > > >> depending >> on >> > > >> build date, the hole is approx 1/8 in dia ?. Appreciate any >> comments, >> > > >> thanks. >> > > >> Chester from West Aussie. >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > SEL mailing list >> > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > SEL mailing list >> > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 8 04:39:36 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:39:36 +0800 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics Message-ID: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> I would appreciate any comments on the following..... I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and i sought comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took these comments and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them to make a personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present at the meeting as i live 400km away and only attend occasional meetings.I could not defend myself and the attacker did not have the intestinal fortitude to advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow club member relayed them to me. It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my comments , i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting and in a letter to our club news letter. So it is nothing new. What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way did not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by any secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have prevailed. What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members ,i gave my thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have been passed to a non list person and used against me in this way at a club meeting. One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not changed. What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact me off list and we will discuss it. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Apr 8 05:16:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:16:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: Rick, Sure glad you didn't get hurt! That is the most important part. Did the piston come into contact with the head? Are any of the teeth busted off of the gears? Did the saw arbor get bent up? I have a 5hp round rod and if you need to borrow any parts to have them made up then let me know. I'll do what I can to help out. That bent rod will probably be hung on the shop wall. I hate to admit it but last year I had my 6hp Novo belted up to a big blower. One time I 'threw' on the belt which was a v-belt. It went over the pulley grooves and ended up between the pulley and flywheel. It caught and started to wind up, luckily the v-belt just snapped. I quick shut down the engine and untangled the v-belt. With the show season just starting up in the US we need to think twice before running our stuff and make sure all is safe. As comfortable as you might be around your engines they can still bite you. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= > >To: "sel" >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM >Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > >> Howdy all; >>Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice >>where the main bearing cap is) >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV >> >>and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >>needed!!! >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL >> >>Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. >> >>Looking for new caps for a roundrod >> >>And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. >> >>RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:17:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:17:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: 220671652 <015b01c53bdf$549d7c00$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: Hi Ray; We'll check the crank today..off hand I'd say it's ok but it had every reason to bend. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > That looks nasty. How did the crank come out of it? Not bent? > > > Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:42 AM > Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > Howdy all; > > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > > (notice > > where the main bearing cap is) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > > needed!!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:22:30 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:22:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <200504080200.j3820VOj052710@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure Patrick if clutch pulley is the right term. Probably friction pulley would be better. It's a good starter but it still turned hard if belted up. Let's just say it was a stupid, dangerous thing to do. Take Care, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > OUCH! > The question begs, why was it necessary to throw on the belt when the > engine > has a clutch pulley? The belt could have been put on before the engine was > started. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Howdy all; > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice > where the main bearing cap is) > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > needed!!! > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:33:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:33:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Howdy John; My only excuse is that when belted up. It hand started hard. Corky and I had spent the better part of the afternoon trailering and starting the engines for various friends, some who had helped us with the project. My arms were tired so I took the belt off. Lame excuse and won't happen again!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you > started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the > belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and > had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. > On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case > it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. > Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley > stripped me naked. > > Heads up Rick, > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Howdy all; > > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > > (notice > > where the main bearing cap is) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > > needed!!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 8 05:40:38 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:40:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks Message-ID: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor works, Port Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore of 3 3/4" and stroke of 6" and would have had a 5 stud head if it was attached!! All workings are internal but he has been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very unusual. Can anyone help with info on these engines? regards Jim Bethell Gateway to the Outback http://community.webshots.com/user/jimsiron From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:38:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:38:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <002e01c53c07$7777e170$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00df01c53c1a$2b3fb9a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: The belt wound up between the pulley and the handwheels. If the handwheels hadn't been there, it might have been more forgiving. And that belt was tight when she stopped. That's a good belt!!! Take Care Reg, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Not too many years back, John Randall was 'bump starting' an engine with a > big Lister when this happened. > He was in between the two and got 'Bitten' > He was a sick puppy for a while. > I ALWAYS fit a pulley right up to the spokes, even on a model. It cuts > down > the chances....! > > Even though we are sorta familiar with this stuff, it does not give you > any > second chances. > If you treat it with anything less than full thought, it is waiting to > bite > you! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > Rick man what a mesh! Why wasn't it on the pulley before you > > started and did you turn the hole set up by hand to check the > > belt travel and the tension? IMHO the new belt is to smooth and > > had to be a little rugged before or using some belt wax. > > On the other hand you're lucky that it was belted to the saw, in case > > it was belted to a stand alone machinery you had gotten it in your neck. > > Anyway you have learned a new lesson like I did when the pulley > > stripped me naked. > > > > Heads up Rick, > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > >> Howdy all; > >> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > >> (notice > >> where the main bearing cap is) > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > >> > >> and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > >> needed!!! > >> > >> http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > >> > >> Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > >> > >> Looking for new caps for a roundrod > >> > >> And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > >> > >> RickinMt. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 05:41:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 06:41:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: You Da Man Rick!!! I believe I can put the pieces together and secure them with screws or ? And send them to the address below unless otherwise directed. I'll do that ASAP. Thanks pard Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick, > > Its never pretty to see old iron in such a terrible state! > > If you want to send me the broken parts I can cast you a couple of new > bearing caps. > > Rick Rowlands > Tod Engine Works > 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F > Struthers, OH 44471 > http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html > 330-728-2799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM > Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > Howdy all; > > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > > (notice > > where the main bearing cap is) > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > > > > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > > needed!!! > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > > > > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > > > > Looking for new caps for a roundrod > > > > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > > > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 06:00:08 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:00:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f60251605040806007ef7b06f@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 8, 2005 12:39 PM, peter ogborne wrote: > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > Peter Ogborne Is it not possible for the person mentioned to be on the list? He may not post here, but nor do a LOT of the 300 or so members that we know are on the list. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 8 06:00:41 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:00:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: Message-ID: Thanks MUCH, Luke!! I don't believe the piston hit the head, but will check it out along with the condition of the bore. Amazingly the gears seem to be ok. The gov fork is broke and will probably have it welded. Re: the roundrod, we'll try to cold straighten it in a press, if successful we'll have it magnafluxed down at the old work. If unsuccesful, Corky feels he can build a new one. If the arbor shaft is straight, I'll be amazed. It wiped out all the babbitt concerned. That belt was so tight, we had to loosen the arbor bearing assy's. and punch out the bolts. That took us nearly an hour. Appreciate the offer, I think I'll be ok. Well we're supposed to show the engines at the local votech today so better do the three S's and get going Catch ya later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > Rick, > > Sure glad you didn't get hurt! That is the most important part. Did the > piston come into contact with the head? Are any of the teeth busted off > of > the gears? Did the saw arbor get bent up? I have a 5hp round rod and if > you > need to borrow any parts to have them made up then let me know. I'll do > what > I can to help out. That bent rod will probably be hung on the shop wall. > > I hate to admit it but last year I had my 6hp Novo belted up to a big > blower. One time I 'threw' on the belt which was a v-belt. It went over > the > pulley grooves and ended up between the pulley and flywheel. It caught and > started to wind up, luckily the v-belt just snapped. I quick shut down the > engine and untangled the v-belt. > > With the show season just starting up in the US we need to think twice > before running our stuff and make sure all is safe. As comfortable as you > might be around your engines they can still bite you. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================= > > > > >To: "sel" > >Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM > >Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > > > > >> Howdy all; > >>Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : > >>(notice > >>where the main bearing cap is) > >> > >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > >> > >>and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were > >>needed!!! > >> > >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > >> > >>Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > >> > >>Looking for new caps for a roundrod > >> > >>And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > >> > >>RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 8 06:05:24 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:05:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks In-Reply-To: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> References: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408090250.0d4a2938@mail.alltel.net> At 08:40 AM 4/8/2005, you wrote: >One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor works, Port >Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore of 3 3/4" and stroke of >6" and would have had a 5 stud head if it was attached!! All workings are >internal but he has been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very >unusual. Can anyone help with info on these engines? >regards >Jim Bethell Wendel notes that the Hardy Motor Works "disappeared from the engine business" after 1902. (p. 219) Dave From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Apr 8 06:07:43 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:07:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Government Intervention - Somewhat Off Topic Message-ID: <4256821F.7020001@scrtc.com> I usually don't post this type info but since there has been some discussion about government intervention into some of our activities (I guess this makes it somewhat On Topic for the SEL) I thought I would post the info below that a friend sent me. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY In the year 2005, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in the United States, and said, "Once again, the earth has become wicked and overpopulated, and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans." He gave Noah the blueprints, saying, "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights." Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard -- but no Ark. "Noah!" He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?" "Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed a building permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system. My neighbors claim that I've violated the neighborhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision. Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it. Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls -- but no go! When I started gathering the animals, I got sued by an animal rights group. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space. Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on Your proposed flood. I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew. Immigration and Naturalization is checking the green-card status of most of the people who want to work. The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience. To make matters worse, the IRS seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species. So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark." Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean You're not going to destroy the world?" "No," said the Lord. "The government beat me to it." From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Apr 8 08:15:20 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 10:15:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Ropes At Shows Message-ID: <002b01c53c4d$c7d99140$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Subject: Ropes At Shows At our local show in Missouri we always rope off the engine display area. However this did not keep kids and spectators out. About 10 years ago I was displaying my Humphrey Bone Cutter I had just finished restoring. It was no easy task of finding bones and getting them dried out for cutting. One of the other club members son John kept coming underneath the ropes cutting up my bones. I told him I had just a few left which I wanted to use for demonstration and please not to cut up anymore.. I went away for awhile and when I came back there was John cranking away.. I asked him again politely not to. Well this happened again and I threatened to give him a walloping if he didn't stop. Well he didn't stop. I was so mad I turned him over on my knee and laid on a few good ones. He went howling down the aisle to where his folks were set up. A few minutes later I looked up and there was his Mother coming. coming down the aisle. I said o'boy I'm going to catch it now. She come over to my spot and said the hamburgers, hot dogs and brats are ready you had better come get some before John eats them all. After the way I saw John putting down them hot dogs and brats I said boy he is going to grow up to be a strapping young man. Then I remembered an experience my father always told me about and I thought maybe I shouldn't of spanked him after all. The story my father told ,we lived on a farm in the 20's and 30's),and my father had a team of horses. One day he was getting them harnessed up and Max, the neighbors 8 or 10 year old boy came up. He kept jumping around scarring the horses while my father was trying harness them and my father asked him repeatedly to stop or he would wallop him. Well Max didn't stop and my father ,a medium size man, turned him over on his knee and gave him several good ones. Max with tears in his eyes said "when I grow up I am going to give you a spanking". One day about 10 years later in drives Max in his Model A . He had grown to a strapping young lad of over 200 pounds. Saying nothing he got out of his car and grabbed my father, turned him over on his knee and laid on some good ones. When he was done my Father asked him what he did that for. Max said you remember that time when I was a boy you spanked me for jumping the horses when you was trying to harness them and I told you when I grew up I was going to give you a spanking. Well I've grown up and this is the spanking I said I was going to give you. Well John grew up to but we always remained the best of friends and I never did get a spanking from him. Two things, one ropes are not going to keep all the spectators out and two if you ever spank a kid just remember that kid some day may grow up bigger than you.. Just a foot note. Max was killed in World War 2 on "D" Day during the invasion. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 7 19:39:58 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:39:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050407.223958.1008.3.jlb94@juno.com> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. = = = = Rich, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ??? Thank GOD you didn't get hurt. But I HAVE to ask - Why is that "V" belt pulley on there ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 8 07:27:18 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:27:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050408.102718.560.3.jlb94@juno.com> Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. = = = = Rich, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING ??? Why is that "V" belt pulley on there ? Thank GOD you didn't get hurt. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 07:54:16 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:54:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics Message-ID: > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > > I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular > those adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and > i sought comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone > on the list took these comments and gave them to a non > subscriber who in turn used them to make a personal attack on > me at a club meeting. > Peter Ogborne Peter, One of the problems with posting views and opinions on the internet is that nothing you post is private. What you post may be used against you by someone with opposing views or by someone that just feels the need to cause you some grief for your postings. If you think some of my postings are bad or controversial, you ought to see the ones I write then delete without sending ;-) Basically, if you write something, be prepared to accept that others may not agree and be willing to defend what you wrote if challenged. George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 8 08:02:16 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:02:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks In-Reply-To: <002b01c53c38$2ccd14c0$a928d9cb@xxxx> Message-ID: <200504081502.j38F2K93036995@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bethell [mailto:bethell1 at iinet.net.au] > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:41 AM > > One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor > works, Port Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore > of 3 3/4" and stroke of 6" and would have had a 5 stud head > if it was attached!! All workings are internal but he has > been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very unusual. > Can anyone help with info on these engines? > regards > Jim Bethell Hi Jim, You should contact Cliff Northcote He told me that there are only three Hardys remaining and his is the only engine that runs. Is your mate's Hardy one of the three, or could there be four engines? You can see a picture of Cliff's engine by visiting the following web page and clicking on the ninth link on the left: http://rustyiron.com/engines/santee04 =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 08:24:51 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:24:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > Sure glad you didn't get hurt! That is the most important > part. Did the piston come into contact with the head? Are > any of the teeth busted off of the gears? Did the saw arbor > get bent up? I have a 5hp round rod and if you need to borrow > any parts to have them made up then let me know. > > Luke Tonneberger Rick, As you know since we've exchanged pictures, I also have a 5hp round rod Galloway. Serial number 10085. If for some reason you don't use Luke's bearing caps, you can borrow mine. I'd ship them direct to Rick Rowlands to get the duplicates cast. No point in using broken parts as a pattern when you've got people offering good ones. George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 8 08:40:27 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:40:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL ethics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050408084041ded680@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 09:54:16 -0500, "Best, George" wrote: > > > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > > > > I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular > > those adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and > > i sought comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone > > on the list took these comments and gave them to a non > > subscriber who in turn used them to make a personal attack on > > me at a club meeting. > > Peter Ogborne > > Peter, > > One of the problems with posting views and opinions on the internet is > that nothing you post is private. What you post may be used against you > by someone with opposing views or by someone that just feels the need to > cause you some grief for your postings. > > If you think some of my postings are bad or controversial, you ought to > see the ones I write then delete without sending ;-) > > Basically, if you write something, be prepared to accept that others may > not agree and be willing to defend what you wrote if challenged. > > George Yes, I would agree with George there, the search engines are very good at finding and storing old messages and compilations, such that I can find stuff written back in 1996-97 on the newsgroups without much trouble, and it is all archived for ever. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 8 08:50:46 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 23:50:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] sel ethics Message-ID: <001501c53c52$bb382190$10cceddc@professi0cqjbx> Peter, I was at the meeting when this primadonna read out your sel listing. He had no idea when it had been listed and it had to be explained to him how it worked. You are correct, it would have been passed to him by a leach. He and his lackeys will be watching for further postings. Ron Glassby 7 Nullagine Way Gosnells 6110 Western Australia From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 08:57:25 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Bone Cutters In-Reply-To: <002b01c53c4d$c7d99140$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <002b01c53c4d$c7d99140$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: Hi Charlie, Don't you have a good story on the "source" of the bones you grind up in your exhibit? I seem to remember an unfortunate interaction with one of the spectators... 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Charles R Bryant wrote: > At our local show in Missouri we always rope off the engine display area. However this did > not keep kids and spectators out. About 10 years ago I was displaying my Humphrey > Bone Cutter I had just finished restoring. It was no easy task of finding bones and getting > them dried out for cutting. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 8 09:14:57 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4256AE01.7000103@imc-group.com> OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them! 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What you say here is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to see. Had you really intended to solicit private input you should have contacted a bunch of folk off list and asked the conversation remain confidential. 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry petty politics into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to be fun dude.... 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something as petty as a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of badge at all. Most here don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer made our badges a few years ago. I wear that to each and every show we attend. Thank you Peg. 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? Wot is stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do it and get on with the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again. Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building sometime. I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. Maybe we are all just too old and it is too much effort to create a ruckus about anything :-) . But I think we all recognize that it is a special situation that we all get along so well and that all of our energies are spent building the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political battles. Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the hobby.... To play with kewl machinery and socialize with great people. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC peter ogborne wrote: > I would appreciate any comments on the following..... > > I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those > adopted by my club.These were my personal opinions and i sought > comments by other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took > these comments and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them > to make a personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present > at the meeting as i live 400km away and only attend occasional > meetings.I could not defend myself and the attacker did not have the > intestinal fortitude to advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow > club member relayed them to me. > It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my > comments , i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting > and in a letter to our club news letter. So it is nothing new. > What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way > did not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by > any secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have > prevailed. What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members > ,i gave my thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have > been passed to a non list person and used against me in this way at a > club meeting. > One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not > changed. What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact > me off list and we will discuss it. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 09:40:28 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] sel ethics In-Reply-To: <001501c53c52$bb382190$10cceddc@professi0cqjbx> References: <001501c53c52$bb382190$10cceddc@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: Hi Ron & Peter, What I find distressing is not that your "on-list" comments were taken to the meeting in question, but rather that the slimy vermin who did so are so lacking in balls that the best they can do is skulk in the background and not come out into the light and debate the issues (whatever they are). As others have mentioned, an "on-list" comment is really a public comment. There should be no presumption of privacy. One bit of bad "netiquette" is to take an off-list email and post it to the list without checking with the author first. That's just plain rude. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Ron Glassby wrote: > Peter, I was at the meeting when this primadonna read out your sel > listing. He had no idea when it had been listed and it had to be > explained to him how it worked. You are correct, it would have been > passed to him by a leach. He and his lackeys will be watching for > further postings. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 09:40:25 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:40:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics Message-ID: Well said Curt! I had started a response also about staying out of club politics and focusing on the parts of the hobby you enjoy, but you said it so much better. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:15 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL ethics > > OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them! > > 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What > you say here is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to > see. Had you really intended to solicit private input you > should have contacted a bunch of folk off list and asked the > conversation remain confidential. > > 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry > petty politics into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to > be fun dude.... > > 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something > as petty as a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of > badge at all. Most here don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer > made our badges a few years ago. I wear that to each and > every show we attend. Thank you Peg. > > 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? > Wot is stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do > it and get on with the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again. > > Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building > sometime. > I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. > Maybe we are all just too old and it is too much effort to > create a ruckus about anything :-) . But I think we all > recognize that it is a special situation that we all get > along so well and that all of our energies are spent building > the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political battles. > > Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the > hobby.... To play with kewl machinery and socialize with great people. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 8 09:48:03 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:48:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL ethics References: <6f602516050408084041ded680@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c53c5a$bc6620a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL ethics Snip > Yes, I would agree with George there, the search engines are very good > at finding and storing old messages and compilations, such that I can > find stuff written back in 1996-97 on the newsgroups without much > trouble, and it is all archived for ever. > Peter Hi Peter, Is it possible to see early ATIS postings? All the earlier records seem to have disappeared. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 8 10:16:43 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:16:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <20050407.223958.1008.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hey Rick, Buck up, mate. A lot of the responses you've received almost implied that you were some kind of stooge for doing something as loony as throwing a belt onto a running engine. Well lemme tell ya, whether anyone will admit it or not, there are quite a few of us who have also thrown belts onto running engines. And there's plenty of us who have started off with a perfectly good original part and turned it into a jumble of bits. And let's not even get started on cuts, bruises, lacerations, antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway wearing only your underwear. So while you may not be in GOOD company, you're not alone. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, Rob P.S. Rick Rowlands did some bits for me about a month ago. I don't know anything technical about casting, but the parts are now on the engine, and even I'd be hard pressed to tell which ones are the originals and which are the copies. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 10:33:58 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: George, Missy has always said that Curt was a cunning linguist. Now I know what she meant. See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > Well said Curt! > > I had started a response also about staying out of club politics and > focusing on the parts of the hobby you enjoy, but you said it so much > better. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 10:46:09 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Rob, Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or Kelley? See ya, Arnie On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > And let's not even get started on cuts, bruises, lacerations, > antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway wearing only your > underwear. From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 8 11:05:51 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:05:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: Arnie, John Hammink is the one Rob is referring to. John posted pictures back when this incident occurred. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:46 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > Hi Rob, > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to > build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in > their underware; you or Kelley? From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 8 11:12:05 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> My bet is that it wasn't engine related........ Bill > Hi Rob, > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the > anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or > Kelley? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Rob Skinner wrote: > >> And let's not even get started on cuts, bruises, lacerations, >> antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway wearing only your >> underwear. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 8 11:24:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:24:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <4256CC6C.8040606@imc-group.com> Arnie, That really was a terribly embarrassing and public moment in his own neighborhood for Rob. Now you want it spread on the internet for the whole world to enjoy? Sure you do! Curt P.S. But beware, Rob might bring out those old photos of you riding stark atop the Queen's carriage! Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Rob, > >Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the >anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or >Kelley? > >See ya, Arnie > > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 8 11:25:44 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:25:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504081825.j38IPlks085552@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the > anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their > underware; you or Kelley? Dude, that story is essentially the story of my life. But the "standing in the driveway in his underwear" part wasn't me. I only got to see the pictures. It's the closest I've ever come to seeing a naked Dutchman. A sobering exerience, it was. Rob From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 8 11:30:04 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bummer. I was looking forward to Kelley... 8->>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > John Hammink is the one Rob is referring to. > John posted pictures back when this incident occurred. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to > > build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in > > their underware; you or Kelley? From marvhed at ecenet.com Fri Apr 8 11:37:50 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:37:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <36537.199.62.0.252.1112985470.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> you lose, it was engine related. his clothes got caught in the clutch pulley of a 6 hp IHC M. marv in minn > My bet is that it wasn't engine related........ > > Bill > >> Hi Rob, >> >> Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the >> anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you or >> Kelley? From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 8 11:51:22 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408145029.0d169558@mail.alltel.net> Arnie, Why would you want her to be wearing underwear? Dave >Bummer. I was looking forward to Kelley... 8->>> > >On Fri, 8 Apr 2005, Best, George wrote: > > > John Hammink is the one Rob is referring to. > > John posted pictures back when this incident occurred. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to > > > build the anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in > > > their underware; you or Kelley? From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 8 12:10:38 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:10:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: <36537.199.62.0.252.1112985470.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <200504081716.j38HGk6A068702@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <3657.165.206.180.102.1112983925.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <36537.199.62.0.252.1112985470.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4371.165.206.180.102.1112987438.squirrel@antique-engines.com> There's a few hundred pounds of mass in motion there - good thing it was only the clothes that got caught up in that thing. (fabric doesn't tear away that easily if bunched up..........) People have been shredded by less horsepower and mass. Bill > you lose, > it was engine related. his clothes got caught in the clutch pulley of a 6 > hp IHC M. > > marv in minn > >> My bet is that it wasn't engine related........ >> >> Bill >> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> Sounds like a story there that should be told. First, to build the >>> anticipation, WHO is standing in the driveway in their underware; you >>> or >>> Kelley? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Apr 8 12:38:25 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 12:38:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Piece Message-ID: <20050408.123825.1172.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Duncan. Yes it is an interesting engine. I have a complete one just like it. http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30433450&p=62054398 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:40:01 -0500 Duncan Denman writes: > http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/7725 > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > From asouth at strato.net Fri Apr 8 12:49:11 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:49:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows References: <1a8.353be1a9.2f86f527@aol.com><6.1.2.0.0.20050407174431.0d3c9ec0@mail.alltel.net><002601c53be1$84523e70$9800a8c0@Arthur> <6.1.2.0.0.20050407223712.0d46ce10@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004801c53c74$0a283fd0$9800a8c0@Arthur> Dave, go back to sleep! Arthur Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Private shows > At 10:20 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: >>For what it's worth; >>I have a private show every year in April. This year it is April 15-16-17. >>About ten couples attend and we have a blast. Sat. night is a pitch in >>supper. >>My 2 cents, >>Arthur > > Hi Arthur, I haven't shown my privates for almost two years now. It's HELL > getting old! > Dave > PS, Ten couples? WOW--you DA MAN! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Fri Apr 8 12:55:54 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:55:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> I'm not sure about that the Nonpareil is an Osborne sold IHC or not. I only know that I found some very small original traces of blue paint. Some people tell that it might be a German built IHC. Who can tell the diffrence? Also does an Osborne have any other specific things that make it different to an "normal" IHC? Does an Osborne have a diffrent tag? I guess this makes more questions than answers;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hi Harry, > Are you sure about your Nonpareil engine, sofar I know they came > first in 1909. I don't think an Osborn dealer sold engines to Czecho- > Slovakia. Here you can see a Czech ad for the IHC Nonpareil engines. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/CzechNonpareil.jpg > > See you April 30th at your local show, bring my little engine buddy too. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > I have a 4hp vertical IHC Nonpareil, and I think it might be an Osborne too. > > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/nonpareil.htm > > There were some traces of dark blue paint on the engine block under the > > bearings. > > As you can see in the photo's there is very little paint left;-) > > > > > > Harry Terpstra > /mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 8 14:58:42 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:58:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050408.180131.956.2.jlb94@juno.com> A lot of the responses you've received almost implied that you were some kind of stooge for doing something as loony as throwing a belt onto a running engine. = = = = = = I have no problem with throwing a flat belt on a running engine. As long as you're about your wits when you do it. And - God Bless you if you do it with a "V" belt pulley. Know which way the darn thing is turning and realize that when it grabs, your hands & such better be out of the way. The problem here, as I see it, is when the flat belt got caught between the flat pulley and the "V" belt pulley. Not having enough space to lay idle, it spun and wrapped itself around the shaft. Had that "V" belt pulley not been there - This would've never happened. Just my 2 cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 8 15:45:00 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 18:45:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling References: <001b01c53c23$bf860340$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <000c01c53c8c$98e464c0$a65bef18@pengy> Rick, Better to send the parts to me at 1633 Westhampton Dr., Austintown, OH 44515. Just throw all the bits and pieces into a box. I'll put them together so that I can use them as a pattern for the new pieces. Glad to help! Rick (in Ohio) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > You Da Man Rick!!! I believe I can put the pieces together and secure > them with screws or ? And send them to the address below unless otherwise > directed. > I'll do that ASAP. > > Thanks pard > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 4:14 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling > > >> Rick, >> >> Its never pretty to see old iron in such a terrible state! >> >> If you want to send me the broken parts I can cast you a couple of new >> bearing caps. >> >> Rick Rowlands >> Tod Engine Works >> 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F >> Struthers, OH 44471 >> http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html >> 330-728-2799 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:42 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling >> >> >> > Howdy all; >> > Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : >> > (notice >> > where the main bearing cap is) >> > >> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV >> > >> > and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >> > needed!!! >> > >> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL >> > >> > Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. >> > >> > Looking for new caps for a roundrod >> > >> > And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. >> > >> > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Apr 8 16:01:11 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:01:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT Check out eBay item 6524305567 (Ends Apr-14-05 20:52:56 PDT) Message-ID: <12b.5a9fcb8a.2f886737@aol.com> Here is a set of technical books pertaining to steam boilers and engines for auction on eBay. Perhaps, one of your steam friends/buddys may be interested. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA _Click here: eBay item 6524305567 (Ends Apr-14-05 20:52:56 PDT) - 14 International Textbooks relating to Steam & Engines_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4132&item=6524305567&rd=1) From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 8 16:42:07 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 01:42:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first F12-G tractors. The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold by McCormick and Osborne dealers. What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne engine tag. After all those years there're and always will be questions. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > I'm not sure about that the Nonpareil is an Osborne sold IHC or not. > I only know that I found some very small original traces of blue paint. > Some people tell that it might be a German built IHC. Who can tell the > diffrence? > > Also does an Osborne have any other specific things that make it different > to an "normal" IHC? > Does an Osborne have a diffrent tag? > > I guess this makes more questions than answers;-) > > > Harry Terpstra From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 8 17:46:00 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 18:46:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425725C8.3060209@earthlink.net> Hi Rick, Glad you and Corky are alright. Broke my heart to see the damage to the engine, but it can be fixed. Keep at it and be carefull. Can't wait to come up and visit your museum, and you have to stay well for that to happen. Jeff Allen Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; >Well throwing on a belt is not a good idea. It slipped off and : (notice >where the main bearing cap is) > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317134342XtJLiV > >and here's the ugly part..Luckily no tourniquets nor transfusions were >needed!!! > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/317137604piUxbL > >Main bearing caps snapped off and roundrod bent. > >Looking for new caps for a roundrod > >And a lesson well learnt..thankfully no one was injured. > >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Apr 8 18:08:59 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:08:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$ 0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: >What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne >engine tag. We'll know more tomorrow about the tag because Curt is going to be at the gents place that has this engine and he is going to look it over and take some pictures. Stay tuned for more details......... Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From Vivas1993 at aol.com Fri Apr 8 18:30:27 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:30:27 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <1fb.62e4e81.2f888a33@aol.com> Hi Joe, I'm pretty sure that what looks like a V - belt pulley, is really the 2 handwheels that operate the clutch pulley. Quite a few early clutches were made this way, although I'm not sure it was one of the safer designs. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 8 19:00:02 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 20:00:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> Hi all, I run the web site for my club, and over the last several months have had a few invites to show engines. These are not the annual show(s) done by clubs, and they are not shows only for engine folks. I guess they fall somewhere in the middle. County fairs, fall festivals, and such that invite you to have members show engines, and sometimes even invite the FATG folks. Who am I to talk there? I own Maytags. ;-) I think this a great opportunity for all clubs to attract folks that might not attend "engine shows" such as Portland, and wouldn't be invited to private shows for engine only folks. My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not we DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my clubs VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more members attend and it will be a club sanctioned event and full liability insurance. Life is good. For the record to all that remember, the show I hoped to plan went to hell. Check out the details before you offer to help. Lesson learned and I'm back at it trying to put another one together with a little more knowledge under my belt. My 2 cents and get involved and be active. I don't lurk on lists and I try to be as active as time allows in my club. Jeff Allen From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 8 19:14:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:14:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7115693c2ec59e80e640bda499de0313@chartertn.net> > Missy has always said that Curt was a cunning linguist. Now I know > what > she meant. Sounds like a master debater, too. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 8 19:32:47 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:32:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> > My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not we > DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my clubs > VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more members attend > and it will be a club sanctioned event and full liability insurance. Life > is good. >Jeff Allen Hi Jeff, Life MAY not be all that good of someone is hurt. Unless your club is paying BIG BUCKS for insurance I would think that while the club (officers etc.) may be covered for liability the members ARE NOT! While your VP may believe what he has told you is true I would question it. Ask for the insurance agents name and phone number. Call him and ask if YOU will be covered if some idiot sticks his/her/it's hand in your flywheel and looses it. I'll bet you a nickle that he says "no." If he says "Yes" ask him to put that in writing. If he does I owe you a nickle. The only way I know of to really be safe is to join EDGE&TA and buy insurance through them. It's a GOOD deal for the price and then you can be sure that you have coverage! Dave PS, You can read about EDGE&TA and the insurance that they offer at: http://www.edgeta.org/ From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 8 19:30:37 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:30:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <20050408.223114.800.1.jlb94@juno.com> Oh - My mistake - Shewie ! I wouldn't like that design. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 21:30:27 EDT Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: > Hi Joe, > I'm pretty sure that what looks like a V - belt pulley, is really > the 2 > handwheels that operate the clutch pulley. Quite a few early > clutches were made > this way, although I'm not sure it was one of the safer designs. > > Dwight Vivas > Matoaca, VA > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 8 19:33:32 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:33:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. Message-ID: <000901c53cac$a7b278a0$56d13dca@ogborneuah38i3> Please ..does any one have an elevation of the down draught carburettor on these engines,i.e. the one with the overhead tank? I am trying to determine the fuel level height in the float bowl having rebuilt the carburettor, a new needle valve was made . A bit of guess work required as to the length and the position of the float arm. Thanks....... Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bethell1 at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 9 00:35:07 2005 From: bethell1 at iinet.net.au (Jim Bethell) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:35:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hardy motorworks References: 218886995 Message-ID: <001901c53cd6$a7fa6500$bf2cd9cb@xxxx> Rob, Thanks for info, have now attached photos on web shots under Hardy engine. This guy is prepared to actually cast/make another head, valves rocker etc. He is only really missing the top end as the photos show and ignition system but don't know any sizes, type etc. regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Cc: "'Cliff Northcote'" Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2005 1:02 Subject: RE: [SEL] Hardy motorworks > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Bethell [mailto:bethell1 at iinet.net.au] > > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 5:41 AM > > > > One of our Club members has an engine marked Hardy Motor > > works, Port Huron, Michigan also marked no 5a. It has a bore > > of 3 3/4" and stroke of 6" and would have had a 5 stud head > > if it was attached!! All workings are internal but he has > > been told Hardys were around in 1901so would be very unusual. > > Can anyone help with info on these engines? > > regards > > Jim Bethell > > > Hi Jim, > You should contact Cliff Northcote He told me that > there are only three Hardys remaining and his is the only engine that runs. Is > your mate's Hardy one of the three, or could there be four engines? > > You can see a picture of Cliff's engine by visiting the following web page and > clicking on the ninth link on the left: http://rustyiron.com/engines/santee04 > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/05 > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 9 04:32:25 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:32:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] SEL ethics References: <003901c53c2f$a8a089f0$25b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> <4256AE01.7000103@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002a01c53cf7$d2037dc0$d8ce3dca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Curt.........I agree with most of what you say and in a perfect world it would work.We are doing some of the things you suggest. I do agree that the matter of badges is a ''Storm in a tea cup'' . I am correct though .....a cardboard name tag does not constitute a badge . Unfortunately what i am dealing with here is an oligarch.Yes the SEL is a public forum but that should not prevent us posting what we think because some one might see it and be offended. With out that facility the list would be useless and quite boring. Of course my comments will now be relayed to those who are not subscribers ,so be it. As i stated in my original post the decision about the bloody name tags [badges] was a majority decision which i accepted but that does not stop me having a healthy opinion and i am at liberty and quite entitled to air them on this list .I am not into appeasement and will accept criticism as long as it is not ''below the belt'' and made to my face. Now back to engines............enough time spent on this..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] SEL ethics > OK Peter I'll type a few thoughts. Just remember you did solicit them! > > 1) The internet is a PUBLIC forum not a private forum! What you say here > is a good as printed in the newpaper for all to see. Had you really > intended to solicit private input you should have contacted a bunch of > folk off list and asked the conversation remain confidential. > > 2) Leave the politics at work! Life is too short to carry petty politics > into your beloved hobby. This is supposed to be fun dude.... > > 3) Why on earth are you making such a big deal over something as petty as > a club badge? Be glad your club has any kind of badge at all. Most here > don't. I'm just thankful Peg Pfeiffer made our badges a few years ago. I > wear that to each and every show we attend. Thank you Peg. > > 4) You and a few buddies don't like the club badge selection? Wot is > stopping you from simply making what you want? Just do it and get on with > the fun of engines and tractors. Read #2 again. > > Club divide is awful. Ask Glenn Karch about the SIAM building sometime. > I'm thankful our Cotton Ginning Club seems to be able to get along. Maybe > we are all just too old and it is too much effort to create a ruckus about > anything :-) . But I think we all recognize that it is a special situation > that we all get along so well and that all of our energies are spent > building the show rather than spinning our wheels on silly political > battles. > > Mend those fences and get back to why you are in the hobby.... To play > with kewl machinery and socialize with great people. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > peter ogborne wrote: > >> I would appreciate any comments on the following..... >> >> I recently posted my thoughts on club badges,in particular those adopted >> by my club.These were my personal opinions and i sought comments by >> other SEL members. It seems that someone on the list took these comments >> and gave them to a non subscriber who in turn used them to make a >> personal attack on me at a club meeting. I was not present at the meeting >> as i live 400km away and only attend occasional meetings.I could not >> defend myself and the attacker did not have the intestinal fortitude to >> advise me of his comments. A friend and fellow club member relayed them >> to me. >> It does not concern me at all that there is disagreement in my comments , >> i have made them known to the club at a previous meeting and in a letter >> to our club news letter. So it is nothing new. >> What does concern me is is that my comments on SEL which by the way did >> not mention names has been used in this way. We are not bound by any >> secrecy act but i would have thought common decency would have prevailed. >> What went on the SEL was between me and fellow SEL members ,i gave my >> thoughts and sought those of others. It should not have been passed to a >> non list person and used against me in this way at a club meeting. >> One thing that i have retained here is my opinion,that has not changed. >> What i would like is the person who passed this on to contact me off list >> and we will discuss it. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plb at iinet.net.au Sat Apr 9 05:14:40 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:14:40 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Making valves Message-ID: <005a01c53cfd$b48ba410$0201010a@Portable> I am working on a Cooper/Stover KA at present. I pulled out the exhaust valve tonight and found it almost completely eroded through the stem near the valve head. I thought I might machine a new one up. What steel should I use and what is the best way to go about it? I thought that it would be easy to machine the whole valve out of a single piece but I know some weld the head onto a stem.Its only a small valve. 5/16 stem,1.4 inch head and around 4.3 over all Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Apr 9 06:18:50 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 08:18:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Interesting Piece In-Reply-To: <20050408.123825.1172.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050408.123825.1172.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <4257D63A.9050207@wightman.ca> Thanks Ron, Never seen one of those. Duncan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >Hi Duncan. >Yes it is an interesting engine. I have a complete one just like it. > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30433450&p=62054398 > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:40:01 -0500 Duncan Denman >writes: > > >>http://www.enginads.com/barnsale.cgi/read/7725 >> >>-- >>Duncan Denman >>Ayton, Ontario >>Canada >>Antique Gas Engines & Tractors >>Home Page >>http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Sat Apr 9 05:31:17 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 22:31:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Making valves References: <005a01c53cfd$b48ba410$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <001701c53d00$07a07de0$5c3354d2@Cam> Hi Ray,yes they work ok welded into the head of the valve. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "R and E Freeman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Making valves I am working on a Cooper/Stover KA at present. I pulled out the exhaust valve tonight and found it almost completely eroded through the stem near the valve head. I thought I might machine a new one up. What steel should I use and what is the best way to go about it? I thought that it would be easy to machine the whole valve out of a single piece but I know some weld the head onto a stem.Its only a small valve. 5/16 stem,1.4 inch head and around 4.3 over all Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 9 09:21:29 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:21:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Making valves Message-ID: <20050409.092130.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Ray. Go looking for a used automotive valve at your local rebuilding shop. I have cut down lots of them for use in my engines. Just off the top of my head I think you will find a metric valve that is just a few thousandths of an inch bigger than 5/16ths. That way you can ream your guide to fit the new valve for a close fit. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:14:40 +0800 "R and E Freeman" writes: > > > I am working on a Cooper/Stover KA at present. I pulled out the > exhaust valve tonight and found it almost completely eroded through > the stem near the valve head. I thought I might machine a new one > up. What steel should I use and what is the best way to go about it? > I thought that it would be easy to machine the whole valve out of a > single piece but I know some weld the head onto a stem.Its only a > small valve. 5/16 stem,1.4 inch head and around 4.3 over all > > Ray Freeman > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 9 09:47:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 10:47:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling and first showing yesterday References: <4256A41C.9090608@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Well thank you ALL for your responses and offers to help!! George, I appreciate your offer! I got three pieces that fit well together so Rick should be able to get a good pattern. Again thanks! Curt, I'll heed your advise on straightening the rod..tanks!..also on preparing the patter. Well gang, yesterday was Cork and I's first showing. We loaded the two Gals and Eco and 10 a.m., we headed for town and showed for around 6 hours at the U of M Vo-Tech. I didn't know that kids from all over Montana were being bused in to show them what they had to offer. It was great and the two engines performed wonderful. Even started in front of a crowd:-)) Passed out a few cards and got a few leads. Lunch time came so we drove up to the Pattern Shop Coffee house and I got a bazillion pix's of the various patterns on the wall...sorry it took so long, Curt...and will post soon. We then drove around and showed the engines to some elderly we know that can't get around anymore. Had a few brewskies and showed at the local VFW and headed home. All in all, a great day!! later gang RickinMt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 11:11:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:11:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Maytag Part.... Message-ID: <6f602516050409111139485e2e@mail.gmail.com> A friend in the UK has asked me to look out for a kickstarter part for a Maytag type 72, the actual part is S317, shown here: http://www.maytagshed.com/fs_S317.jpg If anyone has one to sell, could they contact me please, or advise of a source of parts for when I come over next week. Thanks, Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 9 11:44:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 12:44:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Pattern shop pix's Message-ID: Here's some pix's I took yesterday. I have no idea what some of these patterns are for and the others are self-explanatory. Caird Engineering Start here and then go prev. or back. For some reason I cannot move the pictures in the album..HELP? http://community.webshots.com/photo/318110433/318124814eWHmpb Hope ya'll enjoy the tour RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 9 12:23:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 13:23:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] For George Message-ID: Some reason I don't have your email address George. I do appreciate the offer on the roundrod main bearing caps! But wouldn't one have to remove the babbitt in order to get a pattern. These bearing caps have large holes not drilled all the way through but just enough to secure the babbitt. I feel one would ruin the babbitt insert trying to remove it mechanically. The other half also. later George, RickinMt. From tsmith at hal-pc.org Sat Apr 9 12:49:01 2005 From: tsmith at hal-pc.org (Tom Smith) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:49:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Main bearings question References: <20050409.092130.676.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <001a01c53d3d$2de970a0$6288b4ce@toms> Stupid question: I got a set of main bearings from "Hit n Miss" for my FM "Z" 3hp and I don't know which way to face the thrust bearing part. (Like I said up front stupid question). It looks like it will work either way but with the crank thrust spacer in place, the bearing thrust flange is a real tight fit on the connecting rod side. It seems more logical to have the thrust bearing on the inside of the main but the end play is only a few thousands and this seems awfully tight for a engine with no pressure oiling. I could chuck them up in the lathe and face them a little but it seems just as illogical the they would machine them with the wrong dimensions. Thanks and have a nice weekend, Tom From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sat Apr 9 13:01:22 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:01:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811> So now I know for sure thats not true. I learned something today John;-) I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for the Famous) Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving money building a "cheap" engine. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it very interesting to look at when running;-) > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > F12-G tractors. > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From nick at holden1.net Sat Apr 9 13:07:38 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 21:07:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Main bearings question References: <001a01c53d3d$2de970a0$6288b4ce@toms> Message-ID: <4258360A.000001.02708@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Tom on my FM "Z" 1 1/2 hp the thrust bearing is on the flywheel side its also the same on my associated 2 1/4 hp nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Tom Smith Date: 04/09/05 20:55:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Main bearings question Stupid question: I got a set of main bearings from "Hit n Miss" for my FM "Z" 3hp and I don't know which way to face the thrust bearing part. (Like I said up front stupid question). It looks like it will work either way but with the crank thrust spacer in place, the bearing thrust flange is a real tight fit on the connecting rod side. It seems more logical to have the thrust bearing on the inside of the main but the end play is only a few thousands and this seems awfully tight for a engine with no pressure oiling. I could chuck them up in the lathe and face them a little but it seems just as illogical the they would machine them with the wrong dimensions. Thanks and have a nice weekend, Tom _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 9 14:36:05 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:36:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001d01c53d4c$260640c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Harry, I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine. Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33". All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine. Standard they came with battery and spark coil. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web So now I know for sure thats not true. I learned something today John;-) I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for the Famous) Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving money building a "cheap" engine. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it very interesting to look at when running;-) > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > F12-G tractors. > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > engine tag. > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tilinghast at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 15:01:15 2005 From: tilinghast at yahoo.com (David DeWitt) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 15:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT Emergency Message-ID: <20050409220115.75844.qmail@web60307.mail.yahoo.com> List members, Are there any list members on line that live just south of Fairfax, Va, ?? My wife and daughter are on there way to my other daughters home and have had some kind of trouble with smoke coming from one of the front wheels. No pulling to the side or strange noises just smoke. She is driving my 2000 Dodge Dakota as I didn't want her to drive her Suziki Sidekick that has 227,000 miles on it...wouldn't you know. If anyone can render assistance please call me at 757-650-8895 or e-mail me at tilinghast at yahoo .com. I will monitor my e-mail and the list for whatever anyone can do. Thanks, Dave. From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sat Apr 9 15:47:48 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:47:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace during the show. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 17:23:12 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Breather Holes in General Message-ID: <20050410002312.84003.qmail@web52706.mail.yahoo.com> On many of the machines I have worked with and owned that were meant to be used out-of-doors had breather holes with a cotter pin inserted through them. The fit of the pin was always a bit loose, say 1/8-inch pin in a 9/64-inch hole and the legs bent so that the pin was also free to slide back and forth about 1/4-inch or so. Where rain could get in there was usally a rain cover of some sort over the breather. The idea was that the vibration from the machine in use would give enough motion to the cotter pin to disturb and dislodge any dust buildup that would otherwise plug the breather hole. The first machines I saw that used this scheme were made by Caterpillar, which had the breathers for the transmission, clutch compartment, brakes, etc., equipped this way. I never saw it used on Caterpillar fuel caps, though, but it wouldn't have hurt a bit! If any of you are old enough to have read the now-classic Earthworm Tractor stories in The Saturday Evening Post, as well as see the also classic 1940 movie by the same name starring Joe E. Brown, a cranky misbehaving engine was cured in one episode by removing dirt from the breather hole in the fuel cap! Of course what it needed was a cotter pin through it! Work and play safely, Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 9 17:47:33 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:47:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <20050409.174733.676.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Jim. I will be there with Carol. Will arrive shortly after noon on Friday. See you there, bring a stick of wood for the campfire. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 15:47:48 -0700 "Jim and Diane" writes: > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace > during > the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 9 18:26:08 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:26:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 43CC Little Gas Scooter - Need Help Message-ID: <007f01c53d6c$480f9430$230110ac@PAUL> I purchased one of those little 43 CC mini gas scooters for my 10 year old grandson I am raising for Christmas. The rear sprocket is attached to the wheel hub that apparently has a slip type configuration in it to allow you to back it up by pushing it. When he goes to take off the rear sprocket will just spin on the hub and then all of a sudden it will engage and snap the chain and take off. I have removed the wheel, taken the sprockets off, and tried to get into the hub to see what is going on but have been unable to get inside of the hub area. It has an approximately 3/4" to 1" inside nut in the outside of this hub that takes a spanner to remove. I removed this but can go no further. I think it must have a mechanism like a socket wrench has where a ball or pin drops down to engage the sprocket. I thought that it might be full of cosmoline from being shipped overseas and found that if I heated the hub area then the sprocket would engage as it should and work. On cold days it would not engage until I heated it. Now it is getting worse and does not want to engage properly even when I heat it. You go to take off and like I said the rear sprocket will start spinning and then all of a sudden catch and snap the chain, spin the wheel, and take off. Does anyone know anything about this unit? Paul From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 9 19:28:45 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:28:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones Message-ID: <000a01c53d75$05fa87e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> In my previous message I told about my Humphrey Bone Cutter that I had restored. Before days of feed supplements farmers used to chip up bones to feed to there poultry to make the egg shells harder. Each year in Marthasville, MO my friends Lois and Bob Hostkoetter put on a 2 day show called Deutsch Country Days. The show authentically demonstrates the early German immigrants functional life style . Butter churning, rail splitting ,woodworking, blacksmithing. weaving and over 55 other skills. One year I took my Humphrey Bone Cutter. In two days the average attendance is 40 to 60,000. Believe me after two days that's a lot of questions to answer and gets kind of boring. Near the end of the second day this gal came by. After a demonstration she asked "where did you get your bones". Well I said remember last year during the flood (flood of 1993) the cemetery along the Missouri river was flooded and several caskets were washed away and not found. Well I found some of them caskets and that's where I got my bones,. She exclaimed "oh my gosh your cutting up my Grandmother's bones". Then she went on to explain her Grandmother's casket was one of them that washed away and not found. After that I was more careful how I answered there questions. From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Apr 9 18:49:22 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:49:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <42588622.1090507@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, I had to give your response some thought. Not a big offer and you can keep your nickel. If the day comes that we can meet and chat, I hope we can share a couple barley pops and the first one is on me. EDGE&TA have fine insurance for member clubs, but they have ruffled some feathers over the years. My club no longer belongs to that organization. We do have good insurance with a group policy that covers some engine clubs and a large number of tractor pullers in this part of the country. The cost is five bucks a year and included in membership for club members. We did have to make a revision of club policy at the last meeting regarding insurance. Any family member can now be covered at cost for $5. Pretty good deal in my opinion. For the record Dave and all, I am new to this hobby. I do try to participate and make changes. New blood brings new ideas to any club and that in my opinion is a good thing. That is why I am trying to put a show together for folks to show engines for the simple pleasure of doing so. I do look into the liability and insurance issues because unfortunately I have to. I hope to have the policy online in the near future for all club members. We do need to know where we stand on this issue. BTW we are required to have one rope/fence. Jeff Allen PS, When I was six a nickel and a Bon Ton bread wrapper got you into the movie in Missoula on Saturday. The times are a changing. Sigh! Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not >> we DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my >> clubs VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more >> members attend and it will be a club sanctioned event and full >> liability insurance. Life is good. >> Jeff Allen > > > Hi Jeff, > Life MAY not be all that good of someone is hurt. Unless your > club is paying BIG BUCKS for insurance I would think that while the > club (officers etc.) may be covered for liability the members ARE NOT! > While your VP may believe what he has told you is true I would > question it. Ask for the insurance agents name and phone number. Call > him and ask if YOU will be covered if some idiot sticks his/her/it's > hand in your flywheel and looses it. I'll bet you a nickle that he > says "no." If he says "Yes" ask him to put that in writing. If he does > I owe you a nickle. > The only way I know of to really be safe is to join EDGE&TA > and buy insurance through them. It's a GOOD deal for the price and > then you can be sure that you have coverage! > Dave > PS, You can read about EDGE&TA and the insurance that they offer at: > http://www.edgeta.org/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 9 19:07:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:07:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407214656.0d379508@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north end of town. Again this year we will be having the ATIS Charity Auction following the meal. I trust that Glenn Karch will again be running the auction. Start thinking now about what you might donate to the auction. Last year we raised almost $3,000.00 for charity at this event. I'm hoping that we can top that this year! (I understand that a patron of the arts will be donating a FIXED MAYTAG and another person is thinking about FIXING a John Deere tractor for the event!) I talked to Ellen (at the Back 40) earlier this evening and told her that I'd give her a "count" for the dinner as the time drew near. I'd like to be fairly accurate this year. Last year we had about 85 people at the dinner. If you plan to join us for the dinner this year please let me know and let me know how many will be in your party. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net Portland happens in only 136 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes and 2 seconds. Don't be late! Dave rotigel at alltel.net PS, If you already told me that you would be attending the dinner please do so again. I'll start keeping a "count" tonight. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:34:24 2005 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:34:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <1df.3973f6e9.2f89f8c0@aol.com> In a message dated 4/9/2005 4:04:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: > > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace during > > the show. > > Jim > > Hi Jim, Ginger and I will be there also! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Sat Apr 9 20:50:13 2005 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:50:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Ultimate sinkin' feeling Message-ID: <8d.24c2b0b4.2f89fc75@aol.com> In a message dated 4/8/2005 10:36:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rskinner at rustyiron.com writes: > antibiotics, stitches, and standing in the driveway > wearing only your underwear. So while you may not be in GOOD company, > you're > not alone. > > Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, > Rob > John, You know you should'nt have posted those pictures......Rob has a memory like an elephant! Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV The older the violin....the sweeter the music! http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4114826&a=30951078&pw= From segray at mlode.com Sat Apr 9 21:48:21 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:48:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <4258B015.6090306@mlode.com> Hi Jim - I hope to be pulling in soon after noon. Have to get set up and shoot over to Exeter to pick up an engine I bought a year ago. Give me something new to play with during the show! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Jim and Diane wrote: > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace > during the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 10 00:09:19 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:09:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> On Apr 9, 2005 11:47 PM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face someplace during > the show. > > Jim There was a bit of talk about a get-together on Saturday evening for a meal? Rob & Kelley were talking of this back a while, but don't know if that went any further. We are there on late Saturday, staying in Visalia overnight and back to the show on Sunday morning, head back to SFO on Sunday pm. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 10 04:53:22 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:53:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Great engine day References: <1d6.3945894e.2f735801@aol.com> Message-ID: <004901c53dc3$e515b7d0$04ee1fd3@morris> G'Day Dwight Just to let you know I have not forgotten you, let you know when I have the parts off mine later in the week Kerry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 From Vivas1993 at aol.com Sun Apr 10 05:36:45 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:36:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Great engine day Message-ID: <196.3cb2799c.2f8a77dd@aol.com> Hi Kerry, No problem ! I just got in from working night shift, so I'm doing a quick email check, then it's off to bed for a couple of hours :o) I'm now off until Wed. afternoon, so it's time to get a few chores done for the boss ( wife ). How about sending me you mailing address, I'd like to get the Reid info. mailed off to you this week. Take care & talk with ya soon. Dwight From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 10 06:15:10 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:15:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050410091152.0d6aeb00@mail.alltel.net> >There was a bit of talk about a get-together on Saturday evening for a >meal? Rob & Kelley were talking of this back a while, but don't know >if that went any further. >We are there on late Saturday, staying in Visalia overnight and back >to the show on Sunday morning, head back to SFO on Sunday pm. >Peter For those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that I've ever had at a show! Dave From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Apr 10 06:37:24 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:37:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog References: <3rr0ks$r426rr@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <002c01c53dd2$6dbc9870$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> J.B. Did you get the original muffler with your Bull Dog? They are just about impossible to find.. A few years back Lee Pederson had some reproduction ones for sale. Your lucky you got the carb. Thats an item thats usually missing and hard to find. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 11:05 PM Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog >I picked up the 4hp Bulldog today, needs work but I should be able to get >it going. Rod and piston are missing, pullrod and belcrank-cam follower >missing. The governor, carb, fuel pump, and ignitor are there. I'll start >with the head, need to free the rocker and valves, fabricate new valves. >I'm sure this one will carry over into a winter project. > J.B. Castagnos > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.4 - Release Date: 4/6/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 10 08:06:00 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:06:00 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wanted: Maytag Part.... Message-ID: <158.4e7783d1.2f8a9ad8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/9/2005 2:35:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, listerdiesel at gmail.com writes: << or advise of a source of parts for when I come over next week. >> Peter, Maytag parts man been in business for years: Simpson Motors P.O. box 211 Bluffton, Ohio 45817 419-369-4665 9am-4pm and 7pm-10pm Monday thru Saturday, no Sundays Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 10 09:07:33 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:07:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New main brng. caps..followup Message-ID: Howdy again; Wondering if I should send both caps to Rick so maybe he can do them in one pour. Thought the answer might be of interest to all. later, RickinMt. From George_Best at adp.com Sun Apr 10 10:12:12 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:12:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: Jim, Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. Hope to see you there. George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim and Diane > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:48 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tulare > > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face > someplace during the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 11:10:17 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:10:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504101810.j3AIAO7Z030838@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> There goes the neighbor hood! Cya Friday Jimmy and Pam Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:12 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Tulare Jim, Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. Hope to see you there. George Best > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Jim and Diane > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:48 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Tulare > > Who is going to Tulare? Maybe we can all meet face to face > someplace during the show. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 10 12:03:09 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:03:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones In-Reply-To: <000a01c53d75$05fa87e0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <200504101903.j3AJ3Bxt044363@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Charlie, You mentioned drying your bones. Is there a reason for going through the extra trouble? Since we have a "green bone cutter," I've always used raw bones straight from the butcher shop. There's always the marrow and some sinewy parts still attached, but they go through the machine just fine. The downside is that by the end of a warm day at a show, we have a pile of ground up dismembered animals and our display area is starting to smell like McDonalds. I'll leave to your imagination the type of spectators that we begin to attract. I've been reluctant to use dried-out bones, as they seem harder and they make scary noises in the bone cutter. The last thing I want to do is break something. I've never sharpened the blades, so maybe that would help in using dried bones. Any tips? Thanks, Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 10 12:20:51 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 15:20:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New main brng. caps..followup References: Message-ID: <004001c53e02$68963ba0$a65bef18@pengy> Just send both. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [SEL] New main brng. caps..followup > Howdy again; > Wondering if I should send both caps to Rick so maybe he can do them in > one pour. Thought the answer might be of interest to all. > > later, > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sun Apr 10 12:36:27 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 20:36:27 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050410091152.0d6aeb00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4259803A.BBE9850A@insulate.co.uk> Dave Rotigel wrote: > > For those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough > in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that > I've ever had at a show! Try to get to Kinzer some time - they serve a SERIOUS breakfast! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Apr 10 14:08:03 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:08:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811> <000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811> <001d01c53d4c$260640c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <008a01c53e11$623eb4d0$3775833e@harryp1811> John, I think that if IHC say that it's an engine to compete with ceaper engines, I think it means that it's built cheaper. I don't find any features that seems cheap made. It's the same (high) quallity than the Famous. > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > ooops i don't even know the dia of my own engine's flywheel;-) Yes you're right. It's 30" It seems International never mentioned the bore and stroke in their sale ads. I only know because I had both engines at the same time, so I could compare every part. Actually I think only the fuel & waterpump are the same, and the cylinder head, and the rocker arm(s). also the piston and cranshaft are the same. The rest (all the main castings) are different. Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > Hi Harry, > I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine. > Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines > being built by many other companies. > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33". > All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers > convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine. > Standard they came with battery and spark coil. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > So now I know for sure thats not true. > I learned something today John;-) > > I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. > I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same > bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. > However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for > the Famous) > Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving money > building a "cheap" engine. > > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the > verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. > The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it > very interesting to look at when running;-) > > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > engine tag. > > > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > > F12-G tractors. > > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > engine tag. > > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 10 14:42:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:42:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <4259803A.BBE9850A@insulate.co.uk> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f60251605041000098ddffc8@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050410091152.0d6aeb00@mail.alltel.net> <4259803A.BBE9850A@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050410174006.0d72a238@mail.alltel.net> >Dave Rotigel wrote: > > For those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough > > in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that > > I've ever had at a show! >Try to get to Kinzer some time - they serve a SERIOUS breakfast! >Dolly Been there, tried that. Kinzer breakfast is an 8--Tulare omlet is a TEN! Dave PS, I think the omlet making takes place at the WAP area. (Lots of good Italians there!) From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Apr 10 15:59:33 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:59:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><009001c53d3e$e75ee5f0$3775833e@harryp1811><001d01c53d4c$260640c0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <008a01c53e11$623eb4d0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: <001701c53e20$f6bec460$0384dccb@oemcomputer> Just of interest.A friend of mine here has a 2hp nonpareil and the cylinder bore is smaller than a 2hp famous,Also the Webster bkt is made by IHC and has there emblem on it and no Webster # and many of its parts are bronze castings rather than iron.The carb ,exhaust rocker and most other parts are different also.This engine is also much smaller than a Famous and appears to be the same size as a Famous Jr. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Terpstra" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:08 Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > John, > I think that if IHC say that it's an engine to compete with ceaper engines, > I think it means that it's built cheaper. > I don't find any features that seems cheap made. It's the same (high) > quallity than the Famous. > > > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > > > ooops i don't even know the dia of my own engine's flywheel;-) > Yes you're right. It's 30" > It seems International never mentioned the bore and stroke in their sale > ads. > I only know because I had both engines at the same time, so I could compare > every part. > Actually I think only the fuel & waterpump are the same, and the cylinder > head, and the rocker arm(s). > also the piston and cranshaft are the same. > The rest (all the main castings) are different. > > > Harry Terpstra > Sint Annaparochie > Netherlands > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > > Hi Harry, > > I think you misread the post, I didn't say it was a "cheap" engine. > > Nonpareil engines were likely built to compete with cheaper engines > > being built by many other companies. > > I have no info about the bore and strokes, but the 4 hp NP had a 30" > > flywheel and the 6 hp had the 33". > > All the different styles magnetos were options only for the customers > > convenience IMO, dependent the use and needs for the engine. > > Standard they came with battery and spark coil. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > > So now I know for sure thats not true. > > I learned something today John;-) > > > > I know the difference between the Nonpareil and the Famous engines. > > I had both the 3hp Famous and the 4hp Nonpareil. The 4hp NP has the same > > bore x stroke as the 3hp famous. > > However the flywheels are much bigger ( I think 33" compared to 26?" for > > the Famous) > > Also almost all castings are diffrent, it hardly seems a way of saving > money > > building a "cheap" engine. > > > > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > > > > I wonder why IHC had so many diffrent styles magneto options for the > > verticals. Does it make more expensive IMO. > > The Bosch however is a GREAT magneto!! And all the monkey motion makes it > > very interesting to look at when running;-) > > > > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > > engine tag. > > > > > I'm very curious to see the Osborne tag Mike!! > > > > > > Harry Terpstra > > Sint Annaparochie > > Netherlands > > h.terpstra at wxs.nl > > http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hammink" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > > > > > Harry, they never built stationary engines in Germany. > > > Only in 1937 they started to built the engines for the first > > > F12-G tractors. > > > The Nonpareil type engine was basically the same as the > > > Famous-Titan series, but was built somewhat lighter. > > > Compare of the shipping weight of the two types and it is > > > easely seen. These engines were most likely built to compete > > > with cheaper engines being built by many other companies. > > > Your engine is fitted with a Bosch oscillating magneto, they > > > were first fitted in 1913 for the verticals on demand. > > > The 4 and 5 hp Nonpareil engines were built from 1909 to > > > 1916. The 5 hp only for the foreign market. They were sold > > > by McCormick and Osborne dealers. > > > What I understand from Mike he was talking about an Osborne > > > engine tag. > > > After all those years there're and always will be questions. > > > > > > John Hammink > > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Apr 10 18:31:21 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:31:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050405082823.026f28a8@mail.alltel.net><007e01c539ff$e1424eb0$6401a8c0@office><009d01c53af0$18b7fc00$b83cfea9@ibmbnh186c><6f602516050406114044961501@mail.gmail.com><018b01c53b0b$bf658e30$6401a8c0@office> <009801c53bcd$62580fc0$05c77040@user> Message-ID: <007b01c53e36$2b90e780$d6f5f504@x8h7l9> Paul, NTE has come out with some not so expensive white LEDs, $1.80 each. I made a LED flash light by putting three of them, each with a 120 resister in series on the end of some soft copper wire. I used a Radio Shack 4 C cell pack for a stable base and bend the wire to put the light where I need it. It worked great inspecting the inside of a gas tank last week. An image of it is at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html and NTE can be found at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . OT OT my sisters are into miniatures so I got them some of the white 3MM ones. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. Start > saving your change... > > Paul Russell > Riga, Michigan > hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cullom" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > > > I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake > problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad > light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on > this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights > with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all > the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible > crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... > Thanks again guys, > John From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Apr 10 18:59:36 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:59:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED In-Reply-To: <007b01c53e36$2b90e780$d6f5f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <200504110159.j3B1xeNv039218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Ed ,That's really neat. Could you please make a one drawing of the circuitry Thanks Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:31 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED Paul, NTE has come out with some not so expensive white LEDs, $1.80 each. I made a LED flash light by putting three of them, each with a 120 resister in series on the end of some soft copper wire. I used a Radio Shack 4 C cell pack for a stable base and bend the wire to put the light where I need it. It worked great inspecting the inside of a gas tank last week. An image of it is at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html and NTE can be found at http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . OT OT my sisters are into miniatures so I got them some of the white 3MM ones. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Russell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. Start > saving your change... > > Paul Russell > Riga, Michigan > hit_n_miss at tc3net.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cullom" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:50 PM > Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > > > I really appreciate all the suggestions in answer to my trailer brake > problems. I went over the whole thing today & narrowed it down to a bad > light assembly, as Charlie Bryant suggested. These sure are cheap lights on > this thing. One thing I've often wanted to do is to replace all the lights > with good, weather-proof, heavy duty light assemblies. I'd also replace all > the wiring & put it in a heavy loom or enclosed pipe to avoid the possible > crimp or wear from rubbing. Oh well, one of these days.... > Thanks again guys, > John _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 10 19:15:12 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:15:12 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi.... A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, loose and tight pulleys, etc. I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of producing power. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From jbcast at charter.net Sun Apr 10 19:24:33 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 2:24:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog-parts needed Message-ID: <3rr7ar$uccm90@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> > Subject: Re: [SEL] 4hp Bulldog > > J.B. > > Did you get the original muffler with your Bull Dog? They are just about > impossible to find.. > A few years back Lee Pederson had some reproduction ones for sale. Your > lucky you got the carb. Thats an item thats usually missing and hard to > find. > > Charlie Bryant > Charlie, the muffler is missing, there's a tee at the bottom of a nipple on the exhaust, copper tubing runs through it from a three way valve on the fuel line. Looks like you can run kero through it to pre-heat it. The carb is unusual looking. I need to have the cam follower-belcrank recast, If someone has one I'd like to get Rick Rowlands to cast one. J.B. Castagnos From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Apr 10 19:33:02 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:33:02 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Southern Cross Message-ID: <021801c53e3e$c9115d20$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Here are a couple of photos of the ET-B aircooled Southern Cross I picked up a couple of weeks ago. Ron http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/319608014JdzZJb http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/319610021MxecTY http://community.webshots.com/photo/120449196/319612718uINNxF From gwaugh at wowway.com Sun Apr 10 20:28:05 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:28:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200504110328.j3B3SDP12140@pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Larry, the pics are really interesting--as is the fact that the operators of the observatory have kept the system going for so long. And I really appreciate your method of picture display and navigation. Very convenient! Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA .......... A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, loose and tight pulleys, etc. I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop ................. Larry Evans From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 10 20:37:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:37:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c53e47$d14cd240$05b63dca@ogborneuah38i3> Larry ,somewhere i have a copy of that book written by the original editor or GEM.I must find it again as it is very interesting reading re early machine shops ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Hi.... > > A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, > loose and tight pulleys, etc. > > I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop > that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line > shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California > and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse > type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for > the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern > rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of > producing power. > > Take a look at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gibsongus at myway.com Sun Apr 10 22:29:59 2005 From: gibsongus at myway.com (Gus) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 01:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: <20050411052959.98BBF394F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Dave the club is not called WAP. Its called WAPA and not all members are Ittalans!!! I am amember and I am of German desent thank you, and I can,t spell to good either .Thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- On Sun 04/10, Dave Rotigel < rotigel at alltel.net > wrote: From: Dave Rotigel [mailto: rotigel at alltel.net]To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.comDate: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:15:10 -0400Subject: Re: [SEL] Tulare>There was a bit of talk about a get-together on Saturday evening for a>meal? Rob & Kelley were talking of this back a while, but don't know>if that went any further.>We are there on late Saturday, staying in Visalia overnight and back>to the show on Sunday morning, head back to SFO on Sunday pm.>PeterFor those of you going to Tulare, be sure to get to the show early enough in the morning to take part in the omlet making. BEST damn breakfast that I've ever had at a show!Dave _______________________________________________SEL mailing listSEL at lists.stationary-engine.comhttp://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 10 23:25:35 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:25:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Re: Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <20050411062535.12155.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Great pictures Larry. The HSE (Health & Safety Executive) jobsworths in the UK would have that shut down before you could blink an eye. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From edwards_service at westnet.com.au Mon Apr 11 00:59:46 2005 From: edwards_service at westnet.com.au (SERVICE) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:59:46 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. References: <000901c53cac$a7b278a0$56d13dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <02d301c53e6c$6f99fd00$210110ac@service> Hi Peter, i recall a artical on these engines in a older issue of TOMM, if you dont have it let me know ill have a look. Cheers, Chester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. > Please ..does any one have an elevation of the down draught carburettor on > these engines,i.e. the one with the overhead tank? > I am trying to determine the fuel level height in the float bowl having > rebuilt the carburettor, a new needle valve was made . A bit of guess work > required as to the length and the position of the float arm. > Thanks....... > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Apr 11 01:04:05 2005 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:04:05 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction Message-ID: <041120050804.7414.425A2F7500013BDD00001CF621979247410A0A9D0B020E090C@mchsi.com> Dave, Put me down for Two (2) people. Curt Andree > Hi All, > The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at > 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north end > of town. > Again this year we will be having the ATIS Charity Auction following the > meal. I trust that Glenn Karch will again be running the auction. Start > thinking now about what you might donate to the auction. Last year we > raised almost $3,000.00 for charity at this event. I'm hoping that we can > top that this year! (I understand that a patron of the arts will be > donating a FIXED MAYTAG and another person is thinking about FIXING a John > Deere tractor for the event!) > I talked to Ellen (at the Back 40) earlier this evening and told her > that > I'd give her a "count" for the dinner as the time drew near. I'd like to be > fairly accurate this year. Last year we had about 85 people at the dinner. > If you plan to join us for the dinner this year please let me know and let > me know how many will be in your party. I'm at rotigel at alltel.net Portland > happens in only 136 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes and 2 seconds. Don't be late! > Dave > rotigel at alltel.net > PS, If you already told me that you would be attending the dinner please do > so again. I'll start keeping a "count" tonight. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 11 02:34:08 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:34:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. References: <000901c53cac$a7b278a0$56d13dca@ogborneuah38i3> <02d301c53e6c$6f99fd00$210110ac@service> Message-ID: <000b01c53e79$a160d590$95b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Hello Chester........yes i found that article . I did not help ,what i am doing is adjusting the fuel level in the bowl. I will finally get it right ,just got to keep trying different levels . At the moment it is firing when i spin it over with a 12 v starter motor and belt drive ...just wont keep running. BTW did that picture of Bobs Newway help? ----- Original Message ----- From: "SERVICE" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. > Hi Peter, > i recall a artical on these engines in a older issue of TOMM, if you dont > have it let me know ill have a look. > Cheers, Chester. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:33 AM > Subject: [SEL] Cooper..RV, Iron Horse... carburetor help. > > >> Please ..does any one have an elevation of the down draught carburettor >> on >> these engines,i.e. the one with the overhead tank? >> I am trying to determine the fuel level height in the float bowl having >> rebuilt the carburettor, a new needle valve was made . A bit of guess >> work >> required as to the length and the position of the float arm. >> Thanks....... >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 11 02:35:56 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:35:56 +0800 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <001901c53e79$e0d445e0$95b53dca@ogborneuah38i3> Sorry i mean's the American Machinist . ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Larry ,somewhere i have a copy of that book written by the original editor > or GEM.I must find it again as it is very interesting reading re early > machine shops > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Evans" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:15 AM > Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > > >> Hi.... >> >> A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, >> loose and tight pulleys, etc. >> >> I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop >> that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line >> shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in >> California and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP >> Fairbanks Morse type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct >> current power for the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes >> from modern rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still >> capable of producing power. >> >> Take a look at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html >> >> Regards, >> >> Larry Evans >> Arcadia, Southern California, USA >> MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 11 06:19:59 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:19:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> Larry great photos what looks strange there is the modern florescent lights. Last one i saw was in a shoe repair shop near home about 50 years ago. R Fink PA At 07:15 PM 4/10/2005, you wrote: >Hi.... > >A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, >loose and tight pulleys, etc. > >I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop >that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line >shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California >and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse >type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for >the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern >rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of >producing power. > >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 04:07:07 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:07:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> <6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Kim Siddorn, our local tame Viking has just posted these superb pictures he took in a friends workshop a few years ago. All origional from the 1900's. See http://client.webshots.com/album/50005357muYpTM Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 11 04:32:52 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:32:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407214656.0d379508@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <004a01c53e8a$34a03250$230110ac@PAUL> Dave put me down for one as I am going to do my best to be there. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction > Hi All, > The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at > 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. Decatur is about 25 miles north of Portland on > Rt. 27. The Back 40 Junction is on the west side of Rt. 27 at the north > end of town. > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 11 04:36:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:36:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with it that I have ever seen! Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Kim Siddorn, our local tame Viking has just posted these superb pictures > he took in a friends workshop a few years ago. > All origional from the 1900's. See > http://client.webshots.com/album/50005357muYpTM > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pjp at steamengine.com.au Mon Apr 11 05:35:56 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:35:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <425A6F2C.3050600@steamengine.com.au> Use Firefox browser (now 19% of the market and growing - yay opensource :) and under Tools/Options/Web Features under the "Load Images" option, tick the box labelled "only from originating site". Makes a big difference with sites like webshots. Can be a bit annoying with ebay though as many people host their images someplace else. Paul R & M Ingold wrote: > Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with > it that I have ever seen! > Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 05:54:51 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:54:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net><000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1> <008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <002601c53e95$a7fd4610$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with it > that I have ever seen! > Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? > Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, I don't see any ads at all even though it isn't my site. Perhaps its because I am a paid up webshots poster. Try my webshots below & see if you get the same adverts. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 11 06:12:26 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Private shows, and Not Club Shows In-Reply-To: <42588622.1090507@earthlink.net> References: <00c201c53bac$084c9ee0$3775833e@harryp1811> <42573722.5090705@earthlink.net> <6.1.2.0.0.20050408221937.0d423700@mail.alltel.net> <42588622.1090507@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <2352.165.206.180.102.1113225146.squirrel@antique-engines.com> My agent flat out told me (and showed me) that I'm covered under homeowners IF I'm NOT paid to display. If I take my engines to a show, be it a formal show, or a parking lot, as long as I'm not paid to show, I'm covered if some moron loses a finger because their mama was a moron too and didn't teach her kids to not be stupid. Bill > Hi Dave, > > I had to give your response some thought. Not a big offer and you can > keep your nickel. If the day comes that we can meet and chat, I hope we > can share a couple barley pops and the first one is on me. > > EDGE&TA have fine insurance for member clubs, but they have ruffled some > feathers over the years. My club no longer belongs to that organization. > We do have good insurance with a group policy that covers some engine > clubs and a large number of tractor pullers in this part of the country. > The cost is five bucks a year and included in membership for club > members. We did have to make a revision of club policy at the last > meeting regarding insurance. Any family member can now be covered at > cost for $5. Pretty good deal in my opinion. > > For the record Dave and all, I am new to this hobby. I do try to > participate and make changes. New blood brings new ideas to any club and > that in my opinion is a good thing. That is why I am trying to put a > show together for folks to show engines for the simple pleasure of doing > so. I do look into the liability and insurance issues because > unfortunately I have to. I hope to have the policy online in the near > future for all club members. We do need to know where we stand on this > issue. BTW we are required to have one rope/fence. > > Jeff Allen > PS, When I was six a nickel and a Bon Ton bread wrapper got you into the > movie in Missoula on Saturday. The times are a changing. Sigh! > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > >> >>> My biggest concern again is once again insurance, and like it or not >>> we DO have to deal with liability. I just addressed the issue with my >>> clubs VP, and I got a positive response. Looks like four or more >>> members attend and it will be a club sanctioned event and full >>> liability insurance. Life is good. >>> Jeff Allen >> >> >> Hi Jeff, >> Life MAY not be all that good of someone is hurt. Unless your >> club is paying BIG BUCKS for insurance I would think that while the >> club (officers etc.) may be covered for liability the members ARE NOT! >> While your VP may believe what he has told you is true I would >> question it. Ask for the insurance agents name and phone number. Call >> him and ask if YOU will be covered if some idiot sticks his/her/it's >> hand in your flywheel and looses it. I'll bet you a nickle that he >> says "no." If he says "Yes" ask him to put that in writing. If he does >> I owe you a nickle. >> The only way I know of to really be safe is to join EDGE&TA >> and buy insurance through them. It's a GOOD deal for the price and >> then you can be sure that you have coverage! >> Dave >> PS, You can read about EDGE&TA and the insurance that they offer at: >> http://www.edgeta.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 11 06:13:38 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:13:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411091309.0d7bcbe8@mail.alltel.net> Great pictures Larry! Dave >Hi.... >A few weeks ago there was some discussion regarding line shafts, belting, >loose and tight pulleys, etc. >I've put together a page of pictures of a small line shaft operated shop >that was built in about 1910 and still uses part of the original line >shaft system. It is located at the Mount Wilson Observatory in California >and is in the same building that houses the 1911 50 HP Fairbanks Morse >type RE engine and generator that supplied the direct current power for >the motor that runs the line shaft. The DC now comes from modern >rectifiers fed from the power grid but the old F-M is still capable of >producing power. >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/lineshaft/index.html >Regards, >Larry Evans From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 11 06:17:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:17:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <20050411052959.98BBF394F@mprdmxin.myway.com> References: <20050411052959.98BBF394F@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411091435.0d7dc060@mail.alltel.net> At 01:29 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: > Dave the club is not called WAP. Its called WAPA and not all members are > Ittalans!!! I am amember and I am of German desent thank you, and I can,t > spell to good either .Thank you-----------------GusWhittier, CA--- Gus, Are you sure of all of this? I'ma nota alla tat sure you knowa whata yu talka abouta! Dave PS, Did you know that most milkmen were Italian? From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 06:40:00 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:40:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com><6.1.0.6.0.20050411061745.01aa1210@mail.pennswoods.net> <000a01c53e86$9b441fc0$fa4c1152@no1><008c01c53e8d$124834c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <425A6F2C.3050600@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000401c53e9b$f682fe00$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures > Use Firefox browser (now 19% of the market and growing - yay opensource > :) and under Tools/Options/Web Features under the "Load Images" option, > tick the box labelled "only from originating site". Makes a big > difference with sites like webshots. Can be a bit annoying with ebay > though as many people host their images someplace else. > Paul > R & M Ingold wrote: > > Just my opinion but, that webshots site has the most annoying ads with > > it that I have ever seen! > > Is there any way of watching the pics without all the other rubbish? > > Reg & Marg Ingold. For further information I signed out from webshots & immediately got the adverts. I tried Firefox set to Paul's recommendations & the adverts mainly disappeared. Thanks for that advice Paul! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From edstoller at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 07:01:59 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:01:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED Fllash Light, Home Made References: <200504110159.j3B1xeNv039218@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <005c01c53e9f$0a181600$f7ecf504@x8h7l9> Jim, I am going to take the easy way for me, as I have already generated instructions for the Minature application which I emailed directly to you beceause it is too long for here. If anyone else wants it, I can easily forward it. I also added more graphics the the web site; http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . Please ask if you still have questions. Correction; NTE can be found at http://www.nteinc.com/ . Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim O'Hagan" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED > Hi Ed ,That's really neat. Could you please make a one drawing of the > circuitry Thanks Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of ED > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:31 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question, now LED > > Paul, > > NTE has come out with some not so expensive white LEDs, $1.80 each. I made a > LED flash light by putting three of them, each with a 120 resister in series > on the end of some soft copper wire. I used a Radio Shack 4 C cell pack for > a stable base and bend the wire to put the light where I need it. It worked > great inspecting the inside of a gas tank last week. An image of it is at > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html and NTE can be found at > http://home.earthlink.net/~edstoller/id5.html . > > OT OT my sisters are into miniatures so I got them some of the white 3MM > ones. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Russell" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Semi OT - Trailer question > > > > John, if you are going to replace, look into LED and their advantages. > Start > > saving your change... > > > > Paul Russell > > Riga, Michigan > > hit_n_miss at tc3net.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 11 07:17:12 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:17:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050410190452.026a4038@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for taking the time guys!! Very nice way to have coffee in the mornin' RickinMt. From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 07:50:14 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:50:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] For George Message-ID: Rick, Don't know why you wouldn't have my email address. This email address "george_best at adp.com" should be in the message header. My home email is "irontrader at ispwest.com" if you need to reach me during hours I'm not at work. I've never had the caps off my Galloway since it was a good runner when I bought it. Has the best compression of any engine I have with zero leakage past the rings. I may have assummed incorrectly that Galloway used inserts for the main bearings. You're right that I wouldn't want to mangle the babbit and have to repour bearings on a perfectly good engine. I suppose a person could leave the babbit in when using them as a pattern, but that would mean extra machining to remove the extra castiron before pouring your new bearings. Off course then you'd have heavy duty main caps and need less babbit for the top bearings ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 12:23 PM > To: sel > Subject: [SEL] For George > > Some reason I don't have your email address George. > > I do appreciate the offer on the roundrod main bearing > caps! But wouldn't one have to remove the babbitt in order > to get a pattern. These bearing caps have large holes not > drilled all the way through but just enough to secure the > babbitt. I feel one would ruin the babbitt insert trying to > remove it mechanically. The other half also. > > later George, > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Apr 11 07:55:47 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:55:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: <100.1137f129.2f8be9f3@aol.com> In a message dated 04/11/2005 6:44:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: Great pictures Larry! I agree! These pictures brought back memories of my old high school machine shop. We had two lathes, a horizontal shaper, and a drill press being driven by an over head line shaft. This line shaft system was driven by an electrical motor. Over each lathe, there was a horizontal wooden bar which engaged the drive pulley. This bar had three positions: left -- reverse, right -- forward, and the center -- neutral. Again thanks for the pictures. They were good memory joggers. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 08:16:35 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:16:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Message-ID: Jimmy, Don't go bad mouthing me, then come by wanting your W.A.I.T. pen ;-) George Ps... Maybe you were referring to Wayne ;-) Pss.. I'd better not say that, since Wayne's on this list too ;-) Psss. Maybe you meant it as a compliment. Yep, that must be it :-) > -----Original Message----- > There goes the neighbor hood! Cya Friday Jimmy and Pam > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > Jim, > > Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. > Hope to see you there. > > George Best From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 08:25:16 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:25:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Line shaft machine shop pictures Message-ID: I don't have pictures setup to show it, but for people traveling in CA, go to the Bright nursery in LeGrand CA. Arthur Bright, the owner, has a nice tractor collection in a building that is open to the public. However, take a peak in the shop building next to the museum building. Years ago Mr Bright bought the entire lineshaft setup and machines from a old time machine shop. At one time this was a very impressive sight to see as he had everything hooked up an usable. Last time I was there the employees or someone had started storing stuff around the old machines and it was getting harder to a good view. If you're in Holland near where Harry lives, there is another private museum with a nice working lineshaft setup. This one is owned by a engine collector so the room with the lineshaft has a very nice collection of industrial size lineshaft engines. WAIT George From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 08:44:34 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:44:34 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? Message-ID: What's the biggest engine part you've lost? Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter and 10" long. A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be running off what the float bowl will hold. I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that there was a spring inside waiting to escape. WAIT George From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Apr 11 10:47:36 2005 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:47:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: Glad you got through it with minor pains. I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly normal physically again :) Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R Bryant Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM To: SEL List Subject: [SEL] Safety First Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting large engines. I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior which we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new propane regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts that held the main bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all the cams up this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My being an old timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine had just a little too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the next spoke with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it feels to be shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the exhaust pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about 15 minutes I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were in the right place. They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER PUT BOTH FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has one" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 11 14:00:13 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:00:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c5330b$620e7a60$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411135533.01a64eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Glenn sorry to here about you illness get bet soon. Talking about safety and old machinery. I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety R Fink PA At 10:47 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >Glad you got through it with minor pains. > >I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves >but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government >would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. >Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do >not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom >that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel >of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. > >Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. > >PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, >or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing >quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly >normal physically again :) > >Glenn Wilson > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R >Bryant >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM >To: SEL List >Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > >Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 > >"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and > thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting >large engines. > I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior >which > we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new >propane > regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts >that held the main >bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all >the cams up >this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My >being an old >timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine >had just a little >too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the >next spoke >with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it >feels to be >shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the >exhaust >pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about >15 minutes >I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were >in the right place. >They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER >PUT BOTH >FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has >one" >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 11 14:05:46 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:05:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411140026.01a985c0@mail.pennswoods.net> George i had a odd loss last week not large, i was mounting a blade on my 39 Cat R2. After fitting the metal pipes i removed them to paint. When taking them off i dropped a hold down bracket 3 ft up from the floor straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging in mid air but can not see it.????????? R Fink PA At 08:44 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > >Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare >ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine >it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small >gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter >and 10" long. > >A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it >somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > >You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that >I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > >Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be >running off what the float bowl will hold. > >I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball >which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that >there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 11:41:12 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:41:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Guy and gals, Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me home Sunday. Care to take a guess? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is complete. P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Apr 11 12:02:33 2005 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:02:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050411135533.01a64eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: I am ALL FOR safety - just not safety FIRST - and in front of freedom. If you take safety to the limit, you will have no freedom to do anything. You would Never be able to drive over 30MPH if you even could drive, you'd not be able to ever make a left hand turn anywhere etc. Already, we can not by Oxycodone, or Percacet without paying a doctor even though these are two Very Very excellent pain killers with minimal side affects. Why? Because the "system" doesn't trust us, some of us would misuse them so they made a law that these are to be considered narcotics and monitored closely. In reality, if people would behave and only take them when they got their fingers in the punch press, or took at 6 turn tumble with a flywheel etc...... we wouldn't have this extra "safety" crap thrown on top of obtaining these drugs. I keep a few on hand just in case but they are Tough to get for sure! Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:00 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First Glenn sorry to here about you illness get bet soon. Talking about safety and old machinery. I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety R Fink PA At 10:47 AM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >Glad you got through it with minor pains. > >I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves >but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government >would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. >Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do >not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom >that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel >of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. > >Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. > >PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, >or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing >quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly >normal physically again :) > >Glenn Wilson > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R >Bryant >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM >To: SEL List >Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > >Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 > >"Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and > thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting >large engines. > I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior >which > we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new >propane > regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts >that held the main >bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised all >the cams up >this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My >being an old >timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine >had just a little >too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the >next spoke >with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it >feels to be >shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the >exhaust >pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After about >15 minutes >I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys were >in the right place. >They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. NEVER >PUT BOTH >FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone has >one" >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Mon Apr 11 12:00:42 2005 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:00:42 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? References: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <009001c53ec8$c2ae20a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Curt, I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. I also think that it might be an to easy project for you, and if you feel bored by the engine you are free to ship it over to Holland;-) Wow what a GREAT find Curt. This engine has everything you want in an engine! Oh..... I like the 3 ball flyball governor as well;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Annaparochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? > Guy and gals, > Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me home Sunday. > Care to take a guess? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is > complete. > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jdohagan at comcast.net Mon Apr 11 12:05:42 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 12:05:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504111905.j3BJ5rmI072737@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> George, Glad your coming down so I can pay you next years ransom! OH! Flying "J"s are the best fuel depots around here. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:17 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Tulare Jimmy, Don't go bad mouthing me, then come by wanting your W.A.I.T. pen ;-) George Ps... Maybe you were referring to Wayne ;-) Pss.. I'd better not say that, since Wayne's on this list too ;-) Psss. Maybe you meant it as a compliment. Yep, that must be it :-) > -----Original Message----- > There goes the neighbor hood! Cya Friday Jimmy and Pam > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > Jim, > > Wayne Thackery and I will be traveling to Tulare together. > Hope to see you there. > > George Best _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 12:20:16 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$ 0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811> <001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> Michael Tucker wrote: > We'll know more tomorrow about the tag because Curt is going to be at > the gents place that has this engine and he is going to look it over > and take some pictures. Stay tuned for more details......... > > Mike Mike, The only Osborne I believe I have seen was a vertical engine. You can imagine my surprise when I saw the 4HP Horizontal "Famous/Titan" looking blue engine. The tag makes no reference to the Titan or Famous lines. Here is the tag picture: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Tag.jpg Here is a shot of the front of the engine. No doubt this is original paint! http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Front.jpg And finally a look at the flywheel showing the 2 bolt flywheels. Earlier??? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Flywheels.jpg With that said, it is interesting that there is no hot tube boss on the top of the cylinder. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 12:33:22 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:33:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank >Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank >unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety >R Fink >PA > > Richard, What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one of the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb tractor designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on the crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. Here is a picture of one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 12:45:09 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:45:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: Curt, Harry, beat me to it, but I agree that it's an Alamo. Very nice engine, I wouldn't mind having one like that myself! Congrats on finding a nice engine. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Harry Terpstra > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > > Curt, > I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. > I also think that it might be an to easy project for you, and > if you feel bored by the engine you are free to ship it over > to Holland;-) From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Apr 11 12:46:22 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> References: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Man, I feel your pain. AND I can help!! No one should suffer these days with a hole in the head! Just set that new project off to the side. I'll make arrangements to pick it up. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 11 12:34:55 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:34:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: <20050411.155205.716.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Curt, Nice find. (Some people have all the luck.) P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! Send it here, I'll take care of it. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 11 12:31:08 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:31:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? Message-ID: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging in mid air but can not see it.????????? = = = = = = = Hi Rich, Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? Happens here every day. I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. Lost it last year. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 12:55:09 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:55:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Message-ID: Curt, I'm going to have ask you to take this off topic FATG stuff over to the tractor list ;-) Just kidding..... :-) After all tractors are just mobile stationary engines. The Field Marshall tractor I have is also one of the more unusual starting tractors. I start it with a 12 guage starting shell. George > -----Original Message----- > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Apr 11 13:06:23 2005 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:06:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. Wayne Thackery Salem, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:41 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Guy and gals, Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me home Sunday. Care to take a guess? http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is complete. P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 13:18:21 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:18:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <009001c53ec8$c2ae20a0$3775833e@harryp1811> Message-ID: Hi Curt, She's a beauty!! I agree with Harry on the Alamo. A neighbor just up the road has an Alamo that looks just like that. If I remember right the gear on the governor was made of some sort of fibrous material. Did you get the engine from another collector or was it a barnyard find? >From the NAMES Expo in 2003: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0351.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0353.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0354.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: Harry Terpstra > >Curt, >I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. > > >Harry Terpstra >Sint Annaparochie >Netherlands > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" > > Care to take a guess? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 13:26:57 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:26:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000a01c53ed4$d0678040$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Snip > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most interesting starter. It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever at the end of the groove. You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel drops out of the groove letting the de-compressor release. Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine over compression. Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 13:28:35 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:28:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425ADDF3.9030102@imc-group.com> George, Was the 12 ga. starting shell used on diesel or gas burning FM tractors? This Field Marshall was at the Narracoorte show. Curt Best, George wrote: > >The Field Marshall tractor I have is also one of the more unusual >starting tractors. I start it with a 12 guage starting shell. > > > From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 14:36:39 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:36:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Message-ID: The Field Marshall is a 1 cylinder 2 cycle diesel. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Curt > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:29 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > > George, > Was the 12 ga. starting shell used on diesel or gas burning > FM tractors? > > This Field Marshall was at the Narracoorte show. > /Australia2005%20449.jpg> > > Curt From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 11 14:39:15 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:39:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting Message-ID: > Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most > interesting starter. > It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. > You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever > at the end of the groove. > You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel > drops out of the groove > letting the de-compressor release. > Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine > over compression. > Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! > Dave Croft Dave, That's why I use the starting shells! I've only tried to hand crank mine a few times and don't feel comfortable with that big two handed crank. Manual says to "crank it smartly". Using the shell is smarter if you ask me ;-) George From curt at imc-group.com Mon Apr 11 14:39:48 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:39:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> References: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Message-ID: <425AEEA4.6030906@imc-group.com> Wayne, I think it is a 5HP. Will have to double check on the tag. It is tray cooled. This has got to be the heaviest 5HP engine I've ever handled! I can't imagine the kind of beast a 9HP would be! Pretty sharp bunch here! Harry, George, Luke, Arnie, Joe, and you guessed it right off. Sure glad to know there are a few Alamo owners on this list. I'm sure there will be lots of questions when starting to reassemble it. Curt Wayne Thackery wrote: >Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. > >Wayne Thackery >Salem, Oregon > > > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 11 14:54:31 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:54:31 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, interesting engine with that blue paint, would say that it was sold by an Osborne dealer. I can't see the serial # very clearly, do you know what it is? The engine tag reads IHC and after 1906 they used the Famous name so it could be an early one. Thought the serial letter is a "R" like R 1xxx. The two bolt flywheel was used 1906-17 as the parts book says. Help us with that "burning" Q about the serial #. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Mike, > The only Osborne I believe I have seen was a vertical engine. You can > imagine my surprise when I saw the 4HP Horizontal "Famous/Titan" looking > blue engine. The tag makes no reference to the Titan or Famous lines. > Here is the tag picture: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Tag.jpg > > Here is a shot of the front of the engine. No doubt this is original paint! > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Front.jpg > > And finally a look at the flywheel showing the 2 bolt flywheels. Earlier??? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Osborne/Flywheels.jpg > > With that said, it is interesting that there is no hot tube boss on the > top of the cylinder. > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 11 15:03:34 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:03:34 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004c01c53ee2$51bda040$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> The Italian Landini and the German Lanz for example. John H. > To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on the > crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. > Here is a picture of one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg > > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! From wayne at lorenssanitation.com Mon Apr 11 15:22:08 2005 From: wayne at lorenssanitation.com (Wayne Thackery) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:22:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AEEA4.6030906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <006301c53ee4$e7460b00$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> Curt, I'm not sure what the 9 HP weights but do know it has plenty of gravity! In my opinion these were more of an industrial engine. The walking beam exhaust lever also operates the fuel pump, igniter and intake anti slobber lever. Mine is a excellent runner and starts very easy. Wayne Thackery Salem Oregon -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:40 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? Wayne, I think it is a 5HP. Will have to double check on the tag. It is tray cooled. This has got to be the heaviest 5HP engine I've ever handled! I can't imagine the kind of beast a 9HP would be! Pretty sharp bunch here! Harry, George, Luke, Arnie, Joe, and you guessed it right off. Sure glad to know there are a few Alamo owners on this list. I'm sure there will be lots of questions when starting to reassemble it. Curt Wayne Thackery wrote: >Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. > >Wayne Thackery >Salem, Oregon > > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 11 15:54:20 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:54:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: Message-ID: <002901c53ee9$66f6ce80$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > > Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most > > interesting starter. > > It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. > > You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever > > at the end of the groove. > > You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel > > drops out of the groove > > letting the de-compressor release. > > Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine > > over compression. > > Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! > > Dave Croft > > Dave, > That's why I use the starting shells! > I've only tried to hand crank mine a few times and don't feel > comfortable with that big two handed crank. Manual says to "crank it > smartly". > Using the shell is smarter if you ask me ;-) > George Hi George, don't forget we are tight fisted Englishmen Who would rather take a bit of a risk rather than spend money on the cartridge Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 11 16:07:21 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:07:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200504112307.j3BN7NSM036926@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Guy and gals, > Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me > home Sunday. > Care to take a guess? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is > complete. > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! That's gorgeous, dude. Absolutely gorgeous. From mogul460 at localnet.com Mon Apr 11 17:15:56 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Heck I went to the store one day and when I came out I couldn't find my truck. I hunted all over the parking lot and was just about ready to call the police when I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging > in > mid air but can not see it.????????? > = = = = = = = > Hi Rich, > Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? > Happens here every day. > I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. > Lost it last year. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 > > From plb at iinet.net.au Mon Apr 11 17:08:53 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:08:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting References: 224615601 Message-ID: <011801c53ef3$d3b3d400$0201010a@Portable> They also have a tube that screws into the head that takes a piece of smouldering paper.That helps fire it on the first compression. First up in the morning when the oil was a bit thick me and my brother would get on each side of the handle and with enough effort she would be away. On a frosty morning you had no hope and a cartridge was used. I still have a couple of new cartridges with the Field Marshall emblem on them. With the Bulldogs I don't remember using the steering wheel to start. I think the ones I used all had the flywheel covers removed.We just grabbed hold of the flywheel and rocked it between compressions. You had to do it right as they would sometimes fire on the wrong compression and run backwards. It was always amusing to ask someone to climb up and move the tractor. The forward gears became reverse gears and there was always a look of surprise as the tractor shot of backwards. For the more experianced if the air from the radiater fan was blowing in your face you knew it was going the wrong way. It was easy to hold the fuel lever shut until the engine slowed enough to bounce off the last compression and then give it fuel and away it would go in the right direction. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:39 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > >> Hi Curt, The Field Marshall tractor is about our most >> interesting starter. >> It has a spiral groove for several turns round the flywheel. >> You place a small wheel which is on the de-compresser lever >> at the end of the groove. >> You then wind like hell for several turns until the wheel >> drops out of the groove >> letting the de-compressor release. >> Providing you are turning fast enough you take the engine >> over compression. >> Prayers are usually said just before the lever falls! >> Dave Croft > > Dave, > > That's why I use the starting shells! > > I've only tried to hand crank mine a few times and don't feel > comfortable with that big two handed crank. Manual says to "crank it > smartly". > > Using the shell is smarter if you ask me ;-) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Apr 11 17:18:07 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:18:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? References: <425AC4C8.4050506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001f01c53ef5$1c8d7770$5086a5d8@mycomputer> Aw Heck ! you guys always want somtin for notin , I'll trade three running Tags and one Briggs L for it ! Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > Hi Curt, > > Man, I feel your pain. AND I can help!! No one should suffer these days > with a hole in the head! Just set that new project off to the side. I'll > make arrangements to pick it up. > > See ya, Arnie > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 11 18:10:36 2005 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c53efc$70b44430$6401a8c0@TBerry> Last year I removed the crank gear from my Rumely model L crank.It has not been seen since. I have placed a 50 dollar bounty on it for all employees in the shop. They have looked, I have have looked, No gear!Not even a blood trail.Tommy Berry -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:45 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? What's the biggest engine part you've lost? Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter and 10" long. A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be running off what the float bowl will hold. I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that there was a spring inside waiting to escape. WAIT George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From galoway4 at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 18:31:10 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:31:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: Message-ID: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> You are young and can get through all of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Safety First > Glad you got through it with minor pains. > > I am not for hurting anyone or having anyone hurt themselves > but be careful with the "safety first" comment. Our government > would like to make it so you can not even tough your engines. > Every law they make takes away a little more freedom. We do > not want it all gone. And I personally would like to have the freedom > that my ansestor had when he "killed himself by the driving wheel > of a steam engine" as is written on his tumstone. > > Again, glad you made it through it with no major damage. > > PS - on another note - 4 days ago, I had about 8" of my large intesene, > or colon removed due to it was infected with diverticultus. I am healing > quickly and will soon be on a waiting list to get a kidney. Then - fairly > normal physically again :) > > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Charles R > Bryant > Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 3:27 PM > To: SEL List > Subject: [SEL] Safety First > > > Posted on the SEL by a fellow collector in August 1997 > > "Hello List member. I had a narrow escape last Saturday morning and > thought I should pass it on to you all since several of you are getting > large engines. > I had been waiting for a friend to come and help start my 35 HP Superior > which > we had done several times before .Earlier in the week I installed a new > propane > regulator and done some maintenance. In the process I tightened two bolts > that held the main > bearing that supports the front of the side shaft, which in turn raised > all > the cams up > this making the magneto fire quicker before piston got to dead center.My > being an old > timer I did not think of all this. We got on each flywheel and the engine > had just a little > too much compression to reach top dead center., so I got up higher on the > next spoke > with BOTH feet when it fired going in the wrong way.I discovered how it > feels to be > shot from a cannon.. The last thing I remember was seeing the top of the > exhaust > pipe. I landed about 20 feet luckily on my right side and back. After > about > 15 minutes > I discovered I was still alive no broken bones but not sure my kidneys > were > in the right place. > They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks but I sure learned one. > NEVER > PUT BOTH > FEET ON THE SPOKES. I would be a good buyer for an air starter if anyone > has > one" > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 11 19:35:17 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:35:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425B33E5.5090507@wightman.ca> Hi Curt, That is the same method you would use to start my John Deere when the battery died. I have never tried it. Duncan Curt wrote: > I have a 1922 [[Cleveland]] then Cleatrac. the crank > >> Handel is also the gear shift and you can;t get it off to use as a crank >> unless it is in neutral. Now that is safety >> R Fink >> PA >> >> > Richard, > What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one > of the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb > tractor designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) > > To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on > the crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. > Here is a picture of one: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg > > Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Apr 11 18:39:27 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:39:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <000001c53efc$70b44430$6401a8c0@TBerry> Message-ID: Tommy, Has my brother been visiting your shop again? The other cloistered oyster brother. >From: "Tommy Berry" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:36 -0400 > >Last year I removed the crank gear from my Rumely model L crank.It has not >been seen since. I have placed a 50 dollar bounty on it for all employees >in >the shop. They have looked, I have have looked, No gear!Not even a blood >trail.Tommy Berry > >-----Original Message----- >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George >Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:45 AM >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > >What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > >Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare >ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine >it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small >gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter >and 10" long. > >A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it >somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > >You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that >I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > >Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be >running off what the float bowl will hold. > >I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball >which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that >there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 11 18:49:11 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bugger George, Why do you have to bring up a question like that???? Mean you are!!!! 8>)) Right now I sure would like to know where I last laid down the mixer for my Cushman model 21 type X. Or actually the main body of it. I have some of the bits. I had it apart to make a new shaft for the butterfly valve and aftre I cut a thin slot in a piece of brass rod the main body got lost around here some place. I bought the Famous Worl Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers hoping they would wander around here and fined the mixer, but instead they are just sitting in there box waiting to walk around the Buckley Swap meet with me looking for new toys soon. Alan Bowen --- "Best, George" wrote: > What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > > Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare > ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine > it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small > gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter > and 10" long. > > A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it > somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > > You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that > I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > > Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be > running off what the float bowl will hold. > > I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball > which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that > there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > > WAIT George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 11 19:07:28 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:07:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> I'm not sure. Many people die young! Dave PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >You are young and can get through all of it. From tchristoff at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 19:08:36 2005 From: tchristoff at earthlink.net (Tim Christoff) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:08:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? Message-ID: <410-2200542122836796@earthlink.net> Hey Luke, That model of the Alamo was built by a good friend of mine. He made 2 of them. Copied them right off the full size. > [Original Message] > From: Luke Tonneberger > To: > Date: 4/11/2005 3:18:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > > Hi Curt, > > She's a beauty!! I agree with Harry on the Alamo. A neighbor just up the > road has an Alamo that looks just like that. If I remember right the gear on > the governor was made of some sort of fibrous material. Did you get the > engine from another collector or was it a barnyard find? > > >From the NAMES Expo in 2003: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0351.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0353.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/names03/names0354.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ======================== > >From: Harry Terpstra > > > >Curt, > >I'm fairly sure it's an Alamo. > > > > > >Harry Terpstra > >Sint Annaparochie > >Netherlands > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > > > Care to take a guess? > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > > Curt Holland > > > Gastonia, NC > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 11 19:40:30 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 20:40:30 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> Best way to find those lost parts is forget about them. Once you cease to amuse them they come out of hiding and you usually trip over them. Jeff Allen Alan Bowen wrote: >Bugger George, >Why do you have to bring up a question like that???? >Mean you are!!!! >8>)) > >Right now I sure would like to know where I last laid down the mixer for my Cushman model 21 type >X. Or actually the main body of it. I have some of the bits. I had it apart to make a new shaft >for the butterfly valve and aftre I cut a thin slot in a piece of brass rod the main body got lost >around here some place. I bought the Famous Worl Traveled Blue Handled Fence Pliers hoping they >would wander around here and fined the mixer, but instead they are just sitting in there box >waiting to walk around the Buckley Swap meet with me looking for new toys soon. > >Alan Bowen > >--- "Best, George" wrote: > > >>What's the biggest engine part you've lost? >> >>Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare >>ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine >>it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small >>gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter >>and 10" long. >> >>A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it >>somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. >> >>You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that >>I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( >> >>Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be >>running off what the float bowl will hold. >> >>I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball >>which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that >>there was a spring inside waiting to escape. >> >>WAIT George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Apr 11 20:00:52 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:00:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4398fb432c88c5c86d9e5a15f0911f3d@chartertn.net> > I'm not sure. Many people die young! Billy Joel said that only the good die young. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 11 20:02:42 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:02:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: Message-ID: <006501c53f0c$1950a480$98668645@carolina.rr.com> That would offend me if it wasn't so true! Mike "oyster" Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > Tommy, Has my brother been visiting your shop again? The other cloistered > oyster brother. > > >From: "Tommy Berry" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > >Subject: RE: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:10:36 -0400 > > > >Last year I removed the crank gear from my Rumely model L crank.It has not > >been seen since. I have placed a 50 dollar bounty on it for all employees > >in > >the shop. They have looked, I have have looked, No gear!Not even a blood > >trail.Tommy Berry > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > >[mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Best, George > >Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:45 AM > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > > > >What's the biggest engine part you've lost? > > > >Last night I thought I'd better get the engine I'm taking to Tulare > >ready. I'm planning on taking my vertical DUX. When I got the engine > >it had no gas tank, so I cobbled up a bracket so I could mount a small > >gas tank. It's a old Clinton mower engine tank about 3.5" in diameter > >and 10" long. > > > >A month or two ago I had taken the tank off the engine and put it > >somewhere. Damn if I could find that thing last night. > > > >You'd think in a 24'x30' main shop room and a 12x15' adjoining room that > >I could find that darn tank. Seems to have vanished :-( > > > >Got a few more nights to try to locate it, otherwise I'll just be > >running off what the float bowl will hold. > > > >I'm sure we've all lost nuts and bolts and the odd spring or checkball > >which went flying when we took something apart only to be surprised that > >there was a spring inside waiting to escape. > > > >WAIT George > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Apr 11 20:09:52 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:09:52 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question Message-ID: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com> Hi List, On the Fairbanks Morse ZD, there is a compensating valve mounted on the intake of the mixer. The International LB also has a compensating valve in the air intake circuit. Both are similar in construction. They look like a large check valve with a few holes in the movable spring loaded plate. I know that the Fairbanks Morse ZD will NOT run with the valve removed. At least, that is my experience. I removed the compensating valve assembly as the engine was running and it quit on me. What is the theory in the use of this compensating valve? It seems that this device acts as a partial choke to increase fuel flow into the mixer. The other thing that I wonder about is how the original engine designer/builder discovered that this device was needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject? Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 11 20:28:05 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:28:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? References: <005001c53ed1$efdd9390$1402a8c0@ownert3gdbbaf7> <425AEEA4.6030906@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004801c53f0f$a4aeb6e0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> I suspect that engine came from the mountains of NC. I do believe I saw it last month, right Curt? Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Guess that engine? > Wayne, > I think it is a 5HP. Will have to double check on the tag. It is tray > cooled. This has got to be the heaviest 5HP engine I've ever handled! I > can't imagine the kind of beast a 9HP would be! > Pretty sharp bunch here! Harry, George, Luke, Arnie, Joe, and you > guessed it right off. > Sure glad to know there are a few Alamo owners on this list. I'm sure > there will be lots of questions when starting to reassemble it. > Curt > > Wayne Thackery wrote: > > >Curt, nice Alamo! What size is your's? I have a 9 HP. > > > >Wayne Thackery > >Salem, Oregon > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 11 20:46:20 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:46:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> References: <20050412014911.38604.qmail@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <425B448C.1020104@scrtc.com> I was taking a Hagan engine to Portland in '97 as they featured Kentucky Built engines. I had been working on it a few nights before and had the carb off. I didn't tighten the set screws that held it on when I placed it back on the engine. On the way to Portland it came off and between here and there, bounced off the trailer. What makes the Hagan engine is the carb. I was sick. But, luckily, I had a NOS one that I got from Saunier Brothers when I purchased all their Hagan parts. I tighten all set screws now! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 11 20:53:20 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:53:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Junk Message-ID: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> Just got this one. It needs some TLC but it will be worth the work. This is an early "Sumner" engine. Later they were tagged "F.M. Watkins". I don't know all the details but evidently Sumner began building the engines in Covington, KY. Watkins either bought the company or bought the rights to manufacture the engine. Watkins continued to make them in KY for a period of time after the acquisition. Here are a couple of photos of the engine and then some accompanying info: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496722&f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496724&f=0 Here is an 1895 Sumner Ad: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497336&f=0 Here is an 1899 Watkins Ad (I think they used the Sumner engine engraving from '95): http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497338&f=0 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 11 22:20:21 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:20:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <425B351E.4090807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20050412052022.27908.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Best way to find those lost parts is forget about them. Once you cease > to amuse them they come out of hiding and you usually trip over them. and then you can't remember what they came off in the first place. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 12 01:59:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:59:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question References: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> The purpose of the compensating air valve is to insure the correct percentage of fuel in the mixture, regardless of whether the engine is running fast or slow, under full load or idle. The suction of fuel varies with the speed of the piston and the opening in the air intake pipe. The compensating valve compensates for such conditions. I think he found it experimentally after some different designs and constructions. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > What is the theory in the use of this compensating valve? It seems that > this device acts as a partial choke to increase fuel flow into the mixer. The > other thing that I wonder about is how the original engine designer/builder > discovered that this device was needed. Does anyone have any thoughts on this > subject? > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, CA From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 03:02:28 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:02:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Guess that engine? In-Reply-To: <200504112307.j3BN7NSM036926@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Very nice engine dont find to many like that in oz Dave >From: "Rob Skinner" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Guess that engine? >Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:07:21 -0700 > > > Guy and gals, > > Something landed on the back of my trailer and followed me > > home Sunday. > > Care to take a guess? > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/2.jpg > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/Guess/1.jpg > > Notice the 3 ball, vertical flyball governor....I like that! > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. All the missing parts are in a box and as best I can tell it is > > complete. > > P.P.S. I really needed another project like a hole in the head! > > >That's gorgeous, dude. >Absolutely gorgeous. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Buy want you really want - sell what you don't on eBay: http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/705-10129-5668-323?ID=2 From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Apr 12 06:57:54 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:57:54 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050412065605.01aaaeb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Joe i bet they are hanging side by side in the air some ware. When you find yours will you send me mine. Ha Ha. R Fink At 12:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging >in >mid air but can not see it.????????? >= = = = = = = >Hi Rich, >Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? >Happens here every day. >I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. >Lost it last year. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Apr 12 07:02:35 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:02:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070044.01aae210@mail.pennswoods.net> Charlie i think they call that CRS. It happens to every one sooner or later and some more often. HA Ha R Fink At 05:15 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >Heck I went to the store one day and when I came out I couldn't find my >truck. >I hunted all over the parking lot and was just about ready to call the >police when I remembered I >had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. > >Charlie From froberts at dodo.com.au Tue Apr 12 04:02:55 2005 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:02:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Us blatant Aussies References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001401c53f4f$2f47ad40$8384dccb@fredh7ayyr9wmp> Hello Curt. As the old saying goes necessity is the mother of invention, but when that fails, and to quote you Curt [us Aussies blatantly copy],but you must agree we come up with the goods. Your new engine looks a beauty and was certainly built to last. Regards Fred ----- Origi nal Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting > Richard, > What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one of > the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb tractor > designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) > > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Tue Apr 12 07:11:34 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:11:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Safety First In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake> <6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070620.01a9e860@mail.pennswoods.net> Don't think that nonsense Glenn only the good die young. Please don't take this the wrong way. You are in more prayers than you could only dream of. R Fink At 07:07 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >I'm not sure. Many people die young! > Dave >PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! > >At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>You are young and can get through all of it. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 12 04:33:05 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:33:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake><6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070620.01a9e860@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <005501c53f53$66f820e0$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Guys I must have missed the original post, do we have a List member with a serious health problem that needs our support and prayers, if so please let me know. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First > Don't think that nonsense Glenn only the good die young. Please don't > take this the wrong way. You are in more prayers than you could only dream > of. > R Fink > > > > > At 07:07 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>I'm not sure. Many people die young! >> Dave >>PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! >> >>At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>>You are young and can get through all of it. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 12 05:25:21 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:25:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question In-Reply-To: <000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com> <000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <425BBE31.8060306@imc-group.com> John, I too have a question about the compensating air valve on the Fairbanks engines. We have a stand alone Fairbanks engine and air compressor used to build air pressure to start the big Fairbanks at our show grounds. We have cranked on that that little engine until there are several bloody hands. Then one of us will finally recall that the throttle plate has to be manually held closed or near closed. It will start instantly then. At rest the governor spring will hold the throttle plate wide open, and I cannot imagine FM intended as part of the starting procedure to hold the throttle closed manually. Can you venture a guess as to what might be wrong so we might correct the problem? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC John Hammink wrote: >The purpose of the compensating air valve is to insure the correct >percentage of fuel in the mixture, regardless of whether the engine >is running fast or slow, under full load or idle. The suction of fuel >varies with the speed of the piston and the opening in the air intake >pipe. The compensating valve compensates for such conditions. >I think he found it experimentally after some different designs and >constructions. > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Tue Apr 12 05:38:22 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:38:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Safety First References: <006c01c53eff$5093c010$8ba19b18@jake><6.1.2.0.0.20050411220456.0d86bdd8@mail.alltel.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20050412070620.01a9e860@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <001c01c53f5c$8388d110$2e01a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Glen , Richard is right. You are and will be in more prayers than you could only dream of. After my "tune up" the Dr. told me I would live to be 102. I didn't believe him but after I found out all the prayers there were out there for me I now beleive he might be right. What I am sure we all want is healthy years. Rememeber one thing Glen, trouble shooting the systems of the human body is basically the same as trouble shooting the systems of a tractor, automobile, airplane or engine. From experience I have found Drs. and surgeons skilled in there field but really lacking in trouble shooting abilities. So just trouble shoot along with them and don't be afraid to ask questions. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Fink Sr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Safety First > Don't think that nonsense Glenn only the good die young. Please don't > take this the wrong way. You are in more prayers than you could only dream > of. > R Fink > > > > > At 07:07 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>I'm not sure. Many people die young! >> Dave >>PS, Glenn, I'll be thinking about you and wishing you well! >> >>At 09:31 PM 4/11/2005, you wrote: >>>You are young and can get through all of it. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 4/11/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 4/11/2005 From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 12 06:14:09 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:14:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Stover Engine Message-ID: <200504121314.j3CDEGtJ027235@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> If anyone can help Earl please reply to him direct at the address below. Patrick M Livingstone _____ From: earl feil [mailto:feil1525 at wvi.com] HI I have A Stover Engine Co. Freeport, IL. 1 1/2 HP 600 RPM. the # onthe plate is 196-762. The motor is in very good condition execpt it need a new paint job. Where can I find what it is worth ? I have had this motor over 60 years, Can you tell me where In find a telephone # or address of the Stover Engine co. Earl feil 1525 Ewald ave. se salem OR. 97302-1634 email feil1525 at wvi.com From shop at cccomm.net Tue Apr 12 06:46:43 2005 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:46:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <016f01c53f66$0ff9f260$6401a8c0@Shop> Try landing at LAX at 2 AM after a long transpacific flight lugging 2-40 pound suitcases and forgetting which parking garage you car is in. Took me more than an hour........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? > straight down. I am still looking for that bracket. figure it is hanging > in > mid air but can not see it.????????? > = = = = = = = > Hi Rich, > Don't that just P*#s You Off ??? > Happens here every day. > I'm still looking for the "Jesus" ball out of my Jaeger Governor. > Lost it last year. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 12 07:54:14 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:54:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? Message-ID: Tommy's posting about losing the Hagan carb while transporting his Hagan engine, prompted this next thread. I haven't lost anything as exotic as a Hagan carb. I have lost a radiator cap off of a Fordson I was hauling. Lost a seat cushion off a John Deere MC I was hauling. Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Judge Tommy Turner > I was taking a Hagan engine to Portland in '97 as they > featured Kentucky Built engines. I had been working on it a > few nights before and had the carb off. I didn't tighten the > set screws that held it on when I placed it back on the > engine. On the way to Portland it came off and between here > and there, bounced off the trailer. From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 12 08:04:50 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:04:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Junk In-Reply-To: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> References: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <425BE392.3080607@imc-group.com> Tommy, Very nice piece, especially with the governor sitting up high. At the front of the water jacket is a boss. On your engine photos it looks like it is plugged. On the ads it looks like there is a fancy compression release in that location or perhaps a thermostat? Do you know what it is? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Just got this one. It needs some TLC but it will be worth the work. > This is an early "Sumner" engine. Later they were tagged "F.M. > Watkins". I don't know all the details but evidently Sumner began > building the engines in Covington, KY. Watkins either bought the > company or bought the rights to manufacture the engine. Watkins > continued to make them in KY for a period of time after the > acquisition. Here are a couple of photos of the engine and then some > accompanying info: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496722&f=0 > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496724&f=0 > > > Here is an 1895 Sumner Ad: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497336&f=0 > > > Here is an 1899 Watkins Ad (I think they used the Sumner engine > engraving from '95): > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497338&f=0 > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Apr 12 09:09:08 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:09:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Hunk of Junk In-Reply-To: <425BE392.3080607@imc-group.com> References: <425B4630.4090705@scrtc.com> <425BE392.3080607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425BF2A4.4090401@scrtc.com> Curt, The opening goes into the combustion chamber and was, I assume, where a priming cup would go. I've got some additional Watkins ads and a few show it plugged and others have a priming cup. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Tommy, > Very nice piece, especially with the governor sitting up high. > At the front of the water jacket is a boss. On your engine photos it > looks like it is plugged. > On the ads it looks like there is a fancy compression release in that > location or perhaps a thermostat? Do you know what it is? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> Just got this one. It needs some TLC but it will be worth the work. >> This is an early "Sumner" engine. Later they were tagged "F.M. >> Watkins". I don't know all the details but evidently Sumner began >> building the engines in Covington, KY. Watkins either bought the >> company or bought the rights to manufacture the engine. Watkins >> continued to make them in KY for a period of time after the >> acquisition. Here are a couple of photos of the engine and then some >> accompanying info: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496722&f=0 >> >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71496724&f=0 >> >> >> Here is an 1895 Sumner Ad: >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497336&f=0 >> >> >> Here is an 1899 Watkins Ad (I think they used the Sumner engine >> engraving from '95): >> >> http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009203&a=31718302&p=71497338&f=0 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:33:45 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 16:33:45 +0000 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I lost the choke plate off of my Stover KE 1.5hp while going down the highway. Was a small part, but still made me pretty upset. I have a piece of a canning lid that I use now for the choke plate. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =============================== >From: "Best, George" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? >Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:54:14 -0500 > >Tommy's posting about losing the Hagan carb while transporting his Hagan >engine, prompted this next thread. > >I haven't lost anything as exotic as a Hagan carb. > >I have lost a radiator cap off of a Fordson I was hauling. > >Lost a seat cushion off a John Deere MC I was hauling. > >Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have >gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose >that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to >make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. > >George > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Judge Tommy Turner > > > I was taking a Hagan engine to Portland in '97 as they > > featured Kentucky Built engines. I had been working on it a > > few nights before and had the carb off. I didn't tighten the > > set screws that held it on when I placed it back on the > > engine. On the way to Portland it came off and between here > > and there, bounced off the trailer. > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 12 09:55:02 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:55:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question References: <1d7.3a4de2aa.2f8c9600@aol.com><000701c53f3d$e454e110$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425BBE31.8060306@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <000901c53f80$61f977b0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, I'm not so familiar with Fairbanks, but I guess that the compensating valve doesn't close properly or sticks somewhere. The air stream is to open than and you loose your vacuum because the cylinder is already full of air at any part of the stroke. When someone close the throttle plate you get vacuum and the fuel sucks into the cylinder and the engine starts as you say. Mostly there is a spring behind the compensating valve, maybe it is broken or to weak. John H. > John, > I too have a question about the compensating air valve on the Fairbanks > engines. We have a stand alone Fairbanks engine and air compressor used > to build air pressure to start the big Fairbanks at our show grounds. > We have cranked on that that little engine until there are several > bloody hands. Then one of us will finally recall that the throttle plate > has to be manually held closed or near closed. It will start instantly > then. At rest the governor spring will hold the throttle plate wide > open, and I cannot imagine FM intended as part of the starting procedure > to hold the throttle closed manually. > Can you venture a guess as to what might be wrong so we might correct > the problem? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > John Hammink wrote: > > >The purpose of the compensating air valve is to insure the correct > >percentage of fuel in the mixture, regardless of whether the engine > >is running fast or slow, under full load or idle. The suction of fuel > >varies with the speed of the piston and the opening in the air intake > >pipe. The compensating valve compensates for such conditions. > >I think he found it experimentally after some different designs and > >constructions. > > > >John Hammink > >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 12 09:56:53 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:56:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? References: Message-ID: <000601c53f80$a1fe5290$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? > Tommy's posting about losing the Hagan carb while transporting his Hagan > engine, prompted this next thread. > I haven't lost anything as exotic as a Hagan carb. > I have lost a radiator cap off of a Fordson I was hauling. > Lost a seat cushion off a John Deere MC I was hauling. > Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have > gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose > that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to > make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. > George Hi George, about 25 years ago amongst my engines I had an aircooled on a small wheeled trolly. I wished to put it away for the winter so I put it in the back of my Caravanette & as it was light & only a short trip I put it against the rear doors held in place with a couple of elasticated luggage straps round the towbar. Rear of vehicle shown below. (the trailor wasn't fitted). http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/321010678ukwmpi On the way an idiot drove out in front of me so I had to brake hard. The engine ran forward to the front of the vehicle stretching the straps. When I had stopped the straps fired the engine backwards bursting the rear doors open. Thank heavens no-one was behind me and the engine stopped in the middle of the road about 20 yards away. I never tried that again! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Apr 12 10:29:50 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 10:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> I partially lost a Stover KE...Went to a show...ran engines all day...loaded up and went home...2 blocks from home, After stopping for a redlight, made a right turn with the trailer and all of a sudden, the stover decided to hang itself off the driver's side of the trailer and freewheel. one of the cinch straps had broke (I no longer use that syle of strap) and it decided it wanted to break free...The oiler was broken off, fuel filler, one governor weight broken, bent crank on mag side, Ek mag also had some damage to the pull....Engine now sits in storage waiting for work to occur on it some later date... I may have lost an empty gas can as well, but it may be suspended in the garage somewhere... Steve --- "Best, George" wrote: > > Sure I must have lost a few other odds n ends over the years, but have > gotten more careful about checking engines/tractors for anything loose > that could come off. I've even used some baling wire or duct tape to > make sure those parts arrived with the trailer. > > George From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Apr 12 11:29:56 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 14:29:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> I was rotating the tires on the wifes car one day. I rolled the front tire to the back and the rear tire to the front where I proceced to mount it on the car. While tightening it down I heard a strange noise outside that I pretty much ignored. When I went to put the tire on the back, it wasn't in the shop. I looked for 2-3 minutes before I remembereed the noise. It was a splashing sound just like a tire makes when it rolls out of the shop, across the road, into the pasture and landing in the creek!!!! Another recent lost part experience came while having my 3 year old help while working on an old engine. Letting them help is fine provided you don't step away to another part of the shop. I finally got down to his eye level and found my part. John From lcjudge at scrtc.com Tue Apr 12 12:57:56 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:57:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> Message-ID: <425C2844.6090606@scrtc.com> I remember Jerry Toews of KS coming to the Waukee Swap meet several years ago with a load of engines to sell. He had about a 3 HPon the back corner of his trailer. Jerry had just arrived and a guy came up and said he was interested in the engine on the back corner and wanted to know if Jerry had the other flywheel for it. Sure enough, one flywheel slipped off on the way to Waukee. I think Jerry gave a big discount. Ralph (Buck) Goodlett lost an entire engine once after he left Portland. Buck stopped for gas and went to the restroom. He came out and paid for the gas and then proceeded down the highway. He looked back and noticed a chain dragging and that a small engine he had on the corner of the trailer was missing. He hit his brakes and a 8 HP engine on trucks came off the front of the trailer and into the back of his pickup. It went through the tailgate. He thinks that the engine was stolen while he was in the restroom and they didn't have time to re-hook the chain. As a result, the big engine on trucks was free to roll to the front when he hit his brakes. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From marvhed at ecenet.com Tue Apr 12 13:28:24 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:28:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer? In-Reply-To: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> References: 6667 <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58092.199.62.0.252.1113337704.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> a long time ago i was pulling a 16' tandem trailer empty with an old buick and after going over a good size bump on the freeway, the tongue jack post hit the road and unhitched the trailer from the car. the safety chains held but i can still see the vision in the rear view mirror of the trailer sideways up on 2 wheels as it gyrated before i got it stopped. marv in minn From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Apr 12 15:03:29 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:03:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CRS Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. >>>Charlie While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From jbcast at charter.net Tue Apr 12 16:30:22 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 23:30:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Fuel Intake Compensating Valve Theory/Question Message-ID: <3rr769$vpnc7n@mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net> > I too have a question about the compensating air valve on the Fairbanks > engines. We have a stand alone Fairbanks engine and air compressor used > to build air pressure to start the big Fairbanks at our show grounds. > We have cranked on that that little engine until there are several > bloody hands. Then one of us will finally recall that the throttle plate > has to be manually held closed or near closed. It will start instantly > then. At rest the governor spring will hold the throttle plate wide > open, and I cannot imagine FM intended as part of the starting procedure > to hold the throttle closed manually. > Can you venture a guess as to what might be wrong so we might correct > the problem? > Curt Holland Curt, we have a FM running a compressor for starting air also. This one will start by placing your hand over the carb as a choke. If yours doesn't start like this it may be weak ignition. When you throttle it down you're creatiung a vacuum, it's easier to fire a plug in a vacuum than under full compression. Does it have an impulse mag? Check the fire while cranking, should jump a 1/4" gap. J.B. Castagnos From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 12 16:31:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:31:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? Message-ID: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor right through to the sub steel. Ramps, ...that's another question................ Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From garyepps at fidnet.com Tue Apr 12 16:49:44 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:49:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <425C5E98.20103@fidnet.com> Since we are now talking about tools as well, I have lost my cant hook. I used it last fall and distinctly remember picking it up, but I don't remember where I put it. It is not with the chainsaw, nor with the garden/outdoor tools. I have been looking for it for at least 6 months. It is not in the barn, it is not in the garage, it is not to be found. I have just ordered a new one so hopefully is will show up in a week or so. Gary PS The older I get, the more life becomes like a giant Easter egg hunt! Bruce Younger wrote: >>>>I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. > > >>>>Charlie > > > While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in > the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. > > > Bruce Younger > Lenexa, Kansas USA > mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jhcullom at adelphia.net Tue Apr 12 17:02:50 2005 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:02:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <012801c53fbc$2271c4d0$6401a8c0@office> One of these days I'll get around to getting some of this stuff for my trailer...< http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=E&Category_Code=ET >. It looks like a good idea, running the length of the trailer so you can latch to it anywhere you need to. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn > buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always > stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to > think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor > right through to the sub steel. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 17:48:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:48:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> Well, we are over 'here' now, had a good flight over and arrived at 2pm Ca time. Have a couple of days of running around looking for old bookshops etc., then we drive down to Tulare on Saturday for the show. See you all there! Peter From FRM8198 at aol.com Tue Apr 12 17:49:46 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 20:49:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] A Day at the Magneto Shop Message-ID: Hi List, Today was one of those memorable days. The J magneto on the other Fairbanks Morse ZD wasn't producing a spark. After checking it out at home, it seemed that coil was bad or the rotating magnets needed charging. After talking to the magneto man (Burt), he suggested that I bring to his shop. He verified that the coil wasn't up to snuff and he recharged the magnets. Luckily, Burt had a used coil and I got it. He told me that he hasn't seen one of these early J type magnetos in a long time. Back at my place, I reassembled the magneto, set the points, and it now produces a good spark. I am fortunate that Santa Maria has magneto shop where I can observe someone such as Burt diagnosis a faulty magneto. I enjoy spending time in the shop and watching Burt in action. This person is in his early 80s and he still operates a magneto/alternator/generator repair facility. Every time I go to his shop, I learn a little bit more. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From lfevans at pacbell.net Tue Apr 12 18:19:48 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:19:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050412181604.027e9640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Glad to hear you had a good flight. Tulare weather forecast, high 70's and low 80's F. and clear for the weekend. See you there, Larry At 05:48 PM 4/12/2005, you wrote: >Well, we are over 'here' now, had a good flight over and arrived at 2pm Ca >time. > >Have a couple of days of running around looking for old bookshops >etc., then we drive down to Tulare on Saturday for the show. > >See you all there! > >Peter Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Apr 12 19:34:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:34:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: > While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in > the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find > it. Ummm, Bruce, I don't suppose you "lost" it by sitting on it? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 12 20:26:26 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:26:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer?..how about almost? References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Spudhead and I went in with the trailer to pickup a Letz 80X and an IHC Mill..unloaded everything and took the trailer back to the neighbor. Jacking up the trailer, the pin out of the receiver hitch just fell out. We looked at each other and said...yes, it's a good ole iron day. RickinMt. PS: and yes gang the sawrig crank is bent, bent, bent, bent, and bent...but life is good From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 12 20:37:43 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:37:43 -0600 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> <012801c53fbc$2271c4d0$6401a8c0@office> Message-ID: John, Spudhead has those all around the inside circumference of his enclosed trailer..He didn't "stop in Chicago"!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cullom" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] how do you tie down? > One of these days I'll get around to getting some of this stuff for my > trailer...< > http://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=E&Category_Code=ET > >. It looks like a good idea, running the length of the trailer so you > can > latch to it anywhere you need to. > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > > This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn > > buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always > > stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to > > think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor > > right through to the sub steel. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 12 21:13:48 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:13:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Biggest part you've lost? In-Reply-To: <425C2844.6090606@scrtc.com> References: <20050411.155205.716.0.jlb94@juno.com> <00a501c53ef4$ccc2fbc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <01e301c53f8d$a2553940$c2f24c0c@D48VHZ61> <425C2844.6090606@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <425C9C7C.9040900@optusnet.com.au> This is a copy of a twx (teletype) we received at the NASA satellite tracking station at Cooby Creek, dated March, 1970: "Subj: Search for missing property items: All stations are requested to institute a physical on-site search for the following items: 1. Diesel generator set, Model GUJ JSGAGO1, Serial number 9, NASA property tag No. 205532, value $20,000.00 2. Diesel generator unit, Model USC M7, Serial number 3429, NASA tag 205533, value $12,000.00 Results are to be reported by teletype to code 539 on or before March 25, 1970 Goddard Logistics." We all thought it was an early April Fool's Day joke, but it turned out to be ridgiddy didge (Oz for kosher) Never did hear if they turned up somewhere . . . JW?? From peter at loud-n-clear.net Tue Apr 12 23:36:38 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:36:38 +0100 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: In message <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7 at ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>, Bruce Younger writes > >While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in >the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find >it. > I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old gymnasium floor below exactly where you'd left it... I can send it to you if you like? -- Peter Scales From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Apr 13 04:36:09 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:36:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer?..how about almost? In-Reply-To: References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <425D0429.6090205@wightman.ca> Hi Rick, Sorry to hear about the bent crank. I thought you may just get away on that one. Duncan Richard Strobel wrote: >Spudhead and I went in with the trailer to pickup a Letz 80X and an IHC >Mill..unloaded everything and took the trailer back to the neighbor. >Jacking up the trailer, the pin out of the receiver hitch just fell out. We >looked at each other and said...yes, it's a good ole iron day. > >RickinMt. >PS: and yes gang the sawrig crank is bent, bent, bent, bent, and bent...but >life is good >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From brock at netspeed.com.au Wed Apr 13 03:44:00 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:44:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous Message-ID: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day every one a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & miss style muffler & manifold its a monster of an engine the pics are on my webshots page link bellow Brock Summerfield ACT Australia brock at netspeed.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 13 05:02:36 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:02:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous In-Reply-To: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> Brock, The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the future. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY USA G,day every one >a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & miss style >muffler & manifold its a monster of an engine the pics are on my webshots page link bellow >Brock Summerfield >ACT Australia >brock at netspeed.com.au >http://community.webshots.com/user/brock198 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 13 05:50:24 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:50:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000701c54027$60403510$fc9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> I must add that i did not use them all at once................i had to get that in before Dave or Arnie ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:31 AM Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? > This prompts another related question. I have used rope ,chain with turn > buckle and web ratchet straps to tie down engines in a trailer. I always > stop and tighten everything up after a couple of km's. I don't want to > think about a crash stop!I also have anchor points on the trailer floor > right through to the sub steel. > Ramps, ...that's another question................ > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 13 05:52:30 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:52:30 +0800 Subject: [SEL] CRS References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <001101c54027$ab2cf680$fc9b81cb@ogborneuah38i3> In my workshop there is a ''Black Hole'' . Many times carefully machined small parts have disappeared into it . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Scales" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] CRS > In message > <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7 at ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us>, Bruce > Younger writes >> >>While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in the >>building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. >> > > I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone > exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old gymnasium > floor below exactly where you'd left it... > > I can send it to you if you like? > > -- > Peter Scales > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 13 05:57:56 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous In-Reply-To: <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Hey Rick Rowlands, That's your cue... 8-)) On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, > the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the > future. > > >a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as > >govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & > >miss style muffler & manifold > >Brock Summerfield From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Apr 13 05:57:48 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:57:48 +0200 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> <425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c54028$68bf1570$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. But the guys have a running engine now. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, > the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the > future. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 06:07:04 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:07:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Bent Crank References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> <425D0429.6090205@wightman.ca> Message-ID: Thanx Duncan. Yup a big bend right where it comes out of the main brng. The throw appears to be good and the other flywheel runs true. So now I get to remove keys:-( later, RickinMt. > Hi Rick, > > Sorry to hear about the bent crank. I thought you may just get away on > that one. > > Duncan > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Spudhead and I went in with the trailer to pickup a Letz 80X and an IHC > >Mill..unloaded everything and took the trailer back to the neighbor. > >Jacking up the trailer, the pin out of the receiver hitch just fell out. > >We > >looked at each other and said...yes, it's a good ole iron day. > > > >RickinMt. > >PS: and yes gang the sawrig crank is bent, bent, bent, bent, and > >bent...but > >life is good > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 06:55:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 07:55:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Casting's Message-ID: G''day all; In addition to the Galloway 5hp (roundrod) main brng. caps, we'll get Rick Rowlands to cast some other items. They are: Flyweights for a HC Horizontal 4hp Famous. Handwheel for a Letz 80x feed grinder Caming handle for the same grinder Oil cap for a F-M "Typoon" water pump Pix's @ http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321621537ChvPmH I've posted this to the tractor list also as I know Mr. Cotton does Letz's and Alan Bowen also on the SEL. Let me know if you need any of these items and I'll get it to Rick RickinMt. Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 07:02:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:02:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin><425D0A5C.2020701@scrtc.com> <000501c54028$68bf1570$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: I've got two big flywheels that I can't ID nor use. I know the casting lettering is backwards and there's no provisions for flyweights or belt pulley. I'd swag them as 4' dia. 2.5" face, ~2.5" shaft hole...no cinch bolt. I'll get some pix's up soon. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the > guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine > of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. > But the guys have a running engine now. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of a couple of 15 > > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has one flywheel, > > the other broken and the other is like the one you have the photo of, no > > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting project in the > > future. > > > > Tommy Turner > > Magnolia, KY USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 07:17:58 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:17:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? In-Reply-To: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> References: <001101c53fb7$c4b7c4b0$5ab73dca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f602516050413071730aee793@mail.gmail.com> We use standard ratchet straps, 10 X 1.5" wide and a couple of larger truck-sized 2" straps. There are a few diddy ones that we use for holding sheets on top of things. One thing we do, we throw them away every couple of years and replace them with new as the webbing gets rears and the mechanisms get rusty with the salt on the roads in winter over in the UK, even with WD40 spray and oiling. Another thing we look out for is the test rating, and only use 5ton and 10ton breaking test straps, some of the cheapo varieties are not worth having. Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 13 07:44:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:44:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] What have you lost off your trailer?..how about almost? In-Reply-To: References: <20050412172950.81925.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050413074450110a23@mail.gmail.com> As we reported at the time, we lost a milling machine off the trailer in the last 1/4 mile of a 200 mile journey. One of our new 2" straps had sheared through cleanly, away from any contact point on the mill or the trailer. We think it must have been hit by a piece of metal on the motorway, as it was such a clean break. That mill is about to go to a new owner BTW, we got more for it than we paid as well :-)) Peter From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 13 08:35:31 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:35:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] how do you tie down? Message-ID: For most of my hauling I use plain ole grade 70 binder chain and chain binders. After traveling a few miles, I'll stop and check the chains and retighten anything that has shifted. I like the security and strength of the binder chains. Only problem with using chains is that it can be difficult securing things with fancy paint jobs you don't want any marks on. In cases where I have to run a chain over a painted part I'll stuff some old rags under the chain or sometimes use a piece of wood. One of the things I like about chain is that it doesn't flap or vibrate in the wind like a strap will do. I also have an assortment of the ratchet straps, but mostly use those for smaller engines or parts. Back to chain binders...... I have both the classic lever load binders and the lever load binders with the coil spring tensioner. The binders with the coil springs are nice when securing a load that has no give to it. When you tighten a chain with the standard lever binder, something has to give or stretch or you won't be able operate the lever on the binder. If your load has no give, using the coil spring binder provides the amount of give you need without bending your trailer or stretching the chain. I've never used the ratchet type of binder but can see where they would make tightening a chain easier in not having to make one link at a time adjustments which isn't always easy with a standard binder and a non-giving load. George From mraasch at hickorytech.net Wed Apr 13 08:49:51 2005 From: mraasch at hickorytech.net (marc) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 10:49:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] crank shield waterloo 4 hp Message-ID: <004b01c54040$6e096040$8eb61845@InsigniaPC> Hi list I am in need of a crank shield for a water loo 4hp gas engine. Were they made of cast iron or were they made of heavy sheet metal Thanks for any info Marc Raasch St Peter Mn.. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 13 10:09:13 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:09:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous Message-ID: Rick, My friend Bill would probably be interested in those flywheels. He's the guy that scratch builds big engines. A set of flywheels and maybe a crankshaft is about all he needs to start a new engine. WAIT George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Richard Strobel > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:02 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > I've got two big flywheels that I can't ID nor use. I know > the casting lettering is backwards and there's no provisions > for flyweights or belt pulley. I'd swag them as 4' dia. 2.5" > face, ~2.5" shaft hole...no cinch bolt. > > I'll get some pix's up soon. > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > > > About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the > > guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine > > of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. > > But the guys have a running engine now. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > > > > > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of > a couple of 15 > > > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has > one flywheel, > > > the other broken and the other is like the one you have > the photo of, no > > > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting > project in the > > > future. > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > Magnolia, KY USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 13 12:54:49 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:54:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002201c54062$a7af8dc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> John, Clarence just picked up a 3 HP IHC vertical hopper cooled engine at an auction in Missouri a couple of months ago. S/N LF721 The engine is painted blue and was previously restored. According to Ron Hueter it appears to have all the original parts including the battery box.. He will be bringing it to the Portland swap meet. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 13 13:05:28 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:05:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones References: <200504101903.j3AJ3Bxt044363@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002901c54064$24014f20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Cutting Up Grandmother's Bones > > Hi Charlie, > You mentioned drying your bones. Is there a reason for going through the extra > trouble? Rob, Yea the reason is like you mentioned. They don't stink as much. When I get my two bone vcutters out this summer I will try some raw bones. If the bears get to messing around here again this summer I will be trying some bear bones. I am not going to do like my father did when he was a lad.He put on a bear skin with the head on it one night and went knocking on the neighbors door. If he hadn't out run the blast of a double barrel shot gun I probably wouldn't of been here today. Charlie . > > Since we have a "green bone cutter," I've always used raw bones straight from > the butcher shop. There's always the marrow and some sinewy parts still > attached, but they go through the machine just fine. The downside is that by > the end of a warm day at a show, we have a pile of ground up dismembered animals > and our display area is starting to smell like McDonalds. I'll leave to your > imagination the type of spectators that we begin to attract. > > I've been reluctant to use dried-out bones, as they seem harder and they make > scary noises in the bone cutter. The last thing I want to do is break > something. I've never sharpened the blades, so maybe that would help in using > dried bones. > > Any tips? > Thanks, > Rob > > > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/05 > > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Apr 13 12:16:26 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:16:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] lost & found Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7043B3A23@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone >exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old gymnasium >floor below exactly where you'd left it... >I can send it to you if you like? -- >Peter Scales Excellent - that must be it, a Klein, yellow handle with rubber covering, #2 Phillips - Well, hardly worth the post. And it has been replaced. May as well keep it in your kit, Peter. Thanks awfully for the offer, though. And I do have to wonder how the gymnasium floor got to London from Kansas. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 13 13:50:03 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] lost & found In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7043B3A23@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7043B3A23@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <1108.165.206.180.144.1113425403.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Same way the London bridge got to Arizona? Bill >>I found it, under the tiles of a computer-room floor in a telephone >>exchange in Farringdon Road, London, England, lying on the old > gymnasium >>floor below exactly where you'd left it... > >>I can send it to you if you like? > > -- >>Peter Scales > > Excellent - that must be it, a Klein, yellow handle with rubber > covering, #2 Phillips - Well, hardly worth the post. And it has been > replaced. May as well keep it in your kit, Peter. Thanks awfully for > the offer, though. > And I do have to wonder how the gymnasium floor got to London from > Kansas. > > Bruce Younger > Lenexa, Kansas USA > mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Apr 13 13:52:00 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:52:00 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002201c54062$a7af8dc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <000f01c5406a$a7aef7e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Charlie, That are nice engines, I saw one a few years ago when I visited Dave Boomgarden at his place to see his collection. Here a picture of that blue one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Famoushopper.jpg Funny thing, you mention Ron Huetter I met him in Lebanon TN at the 1996 IHC Red Power Round UP. Say hello to Clarence from us when you see him one of these days. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > John, > > Clarence just picked up a 3 HP IHC vertical hopper cooled engine at an > auction in > Missouri a couple of months ago. S/N LF721 The engine is painted blue and > was previously restored. According to Ron Hueter it appears to have all the > original parts including the battery box.. He will be bringing it to the > Portland swap meet. > > Charlie Bryant > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 13 16:16:58 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: <000f01c5406a$a7aef7e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c94$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <002201c54062$a7af8dc0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <000f01c5406a$a7aef7e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <425DA86A.5040507@scrtc.com> John, The Red Power Round Up will be in Lebanon again this year. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY John Hammink wrote: >Charlie, >That are nice engines, I saw one a few years ago when >I visited Dave Boomgarden at his place to see his collection. >Here a picture of that blue one: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Famoushopper.jpg > >Funny thing, you mention Ron Huetter I met him in Lebanon TN >at the 1996 IHC Red Power Round UP. > >Say hello to Clarence from us when you see him one of these days. > >Regards, >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > > >>John, >> >>Clarence just picked up a 3 HP IHC vertical hopper cooled engine at an >>auction in >>Missouri a couple of months ago. S/N LF721 The engine is painted blue and >>was previously restored. According to Ron Hueter it appears to have all the >>original parts including the battery box.. He will be bringing it to the >>Portland swap meet. >> >>Charlie Bryant >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John Hammink" >>To: "The SEL email discussion list" >>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:54 PM >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Apr 13 16:42:25 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:42:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help with Casting Materials Message-ID: <425DAE61.5090802@scrtc.com> I need to send some original parts off to have new castings made. However, I need to cover some machined surfaces, plug some holes, etc before I do. I know there is a type of wax that is used by foundry men to do this. I think it comes in sheets, sticks, etc. Can someone tell me the name, type and a supplier of this type material? Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 13 16:57:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Unknown flywheels References: Message-ID: George, I'll get some pix's up. The flywheel faces are pretty ugly in a few spots. Like they've been standing in the dirt for ???????? later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > Rick, > > My friend Bill would probably be interested in those flywheels. He's > the guy that scratch builds big engines. A set of flywheels and maybe a > crankshaft is about all he needs to start a new engine. > > WAIT George > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > > Richard Strobel > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:02 AM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > > > I've got two big flywheels that I can't ID nor use. I know > > the casting lettering is backwards and there's no provisions > > for flyweights or belt pulley. I'd swag them as 4' dia. 2.5" > > face, ~2.5" shaft hole...no cinch bolt. > > > > I'll get some pix's up soon. > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hammink" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous > > > > > > > About 10 miles from my house is a very good foundry and the > > > guy casted a flywheel of the same dia for a big Tangey engine > > > of one of the club members incl. machining for $2500. > > > But the guys have a running engine now. > > > > > > John Hammink > > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > > The flywheels will be a tough on to find. I know of > > a couple of 15 > > > > HP's here in the US that need flywheels as well (one has > > one flywheel, > > > > the other broken and the other is like the one you have > > the photo of, no > > > > wheels at all). Looks like somebody may have casting > > project in the > > > > future. > > > > > > > > Tommy Turner > > > > Magnolia, KY USA > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Wed Apr 13 20:24:33 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:24:33 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Safety First/ tractor starting In-Reply-To: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> References: <425AD102.8070903@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050413202311.01ab8930@mail.pennswoods.net> Curt That is an interesting looking tractor looks like a tough one. R Fink PA >Richard, >What an interesting starting method! When we were in Oz last month one of >the neatest tractors I saw was the KL Bulldog, a 2 stroke hot bulb tractor >designed by the Germans (blatantly copied by the Aussies) > >To start the tractor you removed the steering wheel and placed it on the >crankshaft for a "start handle" of sorts. >Here is a picture of one: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/KLBulldog.jpg > >Did any other tractor manufactures use unusual starting methods? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >P.S. I figure this is on topic because it IS a hot bulb engine! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 13 17:30:45 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:30:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 15 hp IHC Famous In-Reply-To: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> References: <001f01c54015$b55b7d50$5f11fea9@merlin> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050413202730.0d3a7780@mail.alltel.net> At 06:44 AM 4/13/2005, you wrote: >G,day every one >a mate of mine just picked up a 15 hp famous missing parts such as >govenor side flywheel ,rocker arm & post , push rod , mixer hit & miss style >muffler & manifold its a monster of an engine the pics are on my >webshots page link bellow >Brock Summerfield Hi Brock, Your mate will find that the engine is well worth the time and energy that he will put into it to restore it properly! Mine is T/G, but if any close up pictures will help him with the project let me know and I'll send them off to you ASAP! Dave From todengine at zoominternet.net Wed Apr 13 17:54:22 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:54:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Help with Casting Materials References: <425DAE61.5090802@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <009e01c5408c$7f739ed0$a65bef18@pengy> Try: http://www.freemansupply.com/SpecialtyWaxes.htm You can also just glue a piece of thin plywood (luan) to those surfaces for your machine stock and that should be just fine as well. Depending upon who you have do the casting the foundry can also take care of adding machine stock as well. Rick Rowlands Tod Engine Works 100 South Bridge Street Bldg. F Struthers, OH 44471 http://www.todengine.org/engineworks.html 330-728-2799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:42 PM Subject: [SEL] Help with Casting Materials >I need to send some original parts off to have new castings made. However, >I need to cover some machined surfaces, plug some holes, etc before I do. >I know there is a type of wax that is used by foundry men to do this. I >think it comes in sheets, sticks, etc. Can someone tell me the name, type >and a supplier of this type material? Thanks. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Apr 13 19:33:05 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Famous/Osborn questions In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414023305.61374.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> I stopped by a fellow collector's place in WI on the way back from a show last fall and he had 3 different Osborn engines...These were of the mogul design (2 1/2hp and smaller) and in original paint. I wasn't thinking and didn't snap a picture. Next time I am up there, I will shoot a few. Steve From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Apr 13 21:21:31 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:21:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction Message-ID: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Hello All, A few days ago I shared pictures of an old Fairbanks Morse pumping engine. With the help of list members and the BYB, I learned more about it. Thank you. The seller decided eBay was the most fair way to go, and so I didn't get to haul it directly into my engine shed. I have, at least, placed the first bid and now we'll now see how it goes. Regards Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA _Click here: eBay item 7508277005 (Ends Apr-20-05 20:55:41 PDT) - Faribanks Morse Geared Pumping Engine with Walking Beam_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7508277005&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEBI:IT&rd=1) From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 13 21:56:37 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:56:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally Message-ID: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish a restoration or two by then :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 13 22:37:23 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:37:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction In-Reply-To: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504140537.j3E5bQPt029238@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > A few days ago I shared pictures of an old Fairbanks Morse > pumping engine. > With the help of list members and the BYB, I learned more > about it. Thank you. Well you got dibs on it, mate. Good luck. The engine belongs in your shed. Rob From guitronics at comcast.net Thu Apr 14 02:02:10 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 05:02:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <425C5E98.20103@fidnet.com> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> <425C5E98.20103@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <425E3192.60803@comcast.net> Within 15 days of recieving the new one, you will come across the old one....happens to me all the time.I must have 7 Stanley razor knives ,'cause if I do any drywalling, I know I'll never find the old one(s).Of course, I lose all of them from time to time. Gary Epps wrote: > Since we are now talking about tools as well, I have lost my cant > hook. I used it last fall and distinctly remember picking it up, but > I don't remember where I put it. It is not with the chainsaw, nor > with the garden/outdoor tools. I have been looking for it for at > least 6 months. It is not in the barn, it is not in the garage, it is > not to be found. I have just ordered a new one so hopefully is will > show up in a week or so. > > Gary > PS The older I get, the more life becomes like a giant Easter egg hunt! > Bruce Younger wrote: > >>>>> I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. >>>> >> >> >>>>> Charlie >>>> >> >> >> While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in >> the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. >> >> >> Bruce Younger >> Lenexa, Kansas USA >> mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Apr 14 04:22:15 2005 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050414112215.84641.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there Patrick. Hope to catch up with you and several others who I didn't get to see at Naracoorte. Patrick M Livingstone wrote: Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish a restoration or two by then :) Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 14 04:56:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:56:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction Message-ID: <1fb.68c73c9.2f8fb45d@aol.com> In a message dated 4/14/2005 12:45:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MaytagTwin at aol.com writes: << The seller decided eBay was the most fair way to go >> Good luck Ron. That is a nice engine to have and sorry you did not have to opportunity to get it directly. Did you help gather the information for his write up on Ebay? I see you have plenty of early bidding competition! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 14 04:57:59 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:57:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] CRS Message-ID: <19b.31ca58bc.2f8fb4c7@aol.com> In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:22:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, guitronics at comcast.net writes: << I must have 7 Stanley razor knives >> Those things will get lost in your back pocket! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Thu Apr 14 05:03:00 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:03:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally References: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001001c540e9$e827b080$483354d2@Cam> I'll be there Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally > Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on > heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? > I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish > a > restoration or two by then :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 14 05:17:09 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:17:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction In-Reply-To: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> References: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050414081316.0d3f0ec0@mail.alltel.net> >The seller decided eBay was the most fair way to go, and so I didn't get to >haul it directly into my engine shed. I have, at least, placed the first bid >and now we'll now see how it goes. >Regards >Ron Carroll Hi Ron, It was nice of the seller to have you go to all the trouble of looking you looking up/researching all the information and then deciding NOT to give you first refusal on the engine! Dave PS, I'll just BET that he knew all about the BYB before you talked to him about the engine! PPA, GOOD LUCK! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Apr 14 05:55:30 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks.... eBay In-Reply-To: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> References: <92.24deb7b3.2f8f49cb@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Well the bidding is off to a lively start. Be interesting to see where it goes. I see that Joe Prindle is currently sitting at high bidder. GOOD LUCK!! You NEED that cute little pumping engine outfit. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > A few days ago I shared pictures of an old Fairbanks Morse pumping engine. > With the help of list members and the BYB, I learned more about it. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7508277005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 14 06:09:07 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:09:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps Message-ID: Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed up. I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been enough to hold the brng. in place. Jus neat trivia IMO http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm later, RickinMt. From sleis at mwt.net Thu Apr 14 08:30:23 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:30:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Message-ID: <000a01c54106$f42c99a0$5154becf@computer> Hi List I was wondering if I can grind the little notches in the piston ring grove so the new rings will fit? thank you for the help Stacy :-) From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 14 06:42:02 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:42:02 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps References: Message-ID: <001501c540f7$c09c5da0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Rick, I think they did it for extra safety in case the "staking holes" didn't fill properly due some air underneath. In my Hungarian HSCS engine they had little flat head screws, screwed in the casting to hold the babbit. BTW, when is it Spring in your area??? John H. > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed up. > I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been enough > to hold the brng. in place. > > Jus neat trivia IMO > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > > later, > RickinMt. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 07:00:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:00:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160504140700476e0320@mail.gmail.com> Looks like a bit of extra security that someone added, can't quickly think of any other good reason. Peter From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 14 07:43:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:43:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps References: <001501c540f7$c09c5da0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi John; I've seen vent holes in some castings which makes sense and Spudhead mentioned exactly what you thought. This morning I thought maybe they were there for some kind of "wicking action"..dunno, just kewl trivia. Well Spud's coming out today and we'll get all the broke stuff packaged up and sent off to Rick. Picked up that McD grinding mill and a nice Letz 80X mill that WAS stuck..she came loose easy. I'll have fun belting that up to Eco. (and then start the engine:-). Think I'll start by grinding up some pine cones and one of these days we'll have pine cone daiquireeeees at Portland. Pix's of the mill will be up as soon as the 3" of snow melts off. "No spring in Montana, John," Jus July and winter later, my friend(s) Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps > Hi Rick, > I think they did it for extra safety in case the "staking holes" didn't > fill properly due some air underneath. > In my Hungarian HSCS engine they had little flat head screws, > screwed in the casting to hold the babbit. > > BTW, when is it Spring in your area??? > > John H. > > > > > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed > > up. > > I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been > > enough > > to hold the brng. in place. > > > > Jus neat trivia IMO > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > > > > later, > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 14 07:55:02 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:55:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps References: <6f6025160504140700476e0320@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Overkill was used a lot back then, eh Peter? Probably not even in the dictionary anymore. I guess William didn't cover the babbitt with main bearing shim...although I probably will...would think the grease wouldn't ooze out quite so easy. Well headed for Enco as I'm trying to find some key stock to use for a drill guide..key ain't square later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps > Looks like a bit of extra security that someone added, can't quickly > think of any other good reason. > > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 14 07:59:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:59:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please critique Message-ID: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Guys, As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell me what I might add, change, or improve. Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html From segray at mlode.com Thu Apr 14 08:07:13 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:07:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425E8721.7020507@mlode.com> Mornin' Rick - I've never seen wire used in these low speed toys of ours, but I've seen it (brass wire mesh) used quite a bit in high speed & racing applications. My dad, for one, used it in the mains of his Model T hill climber engines. These were very highly modified high revving engines. If I remember right, I think he even used it in the stock blocks. - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed up. >I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been enough >to hold the brng. in place. > >Jus neat trivia IMO > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > >later, >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 09:00:43 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:00:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation Message-ID: After a nasty struggle getting the flywheel key out of the Huber I want to make sure that I put it back correctly. We have discussed how to get a gib key out. What are the proper steps for installing one? Should they be installed dry? with lube? Where do I get a new key? From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Apr 14 10:04:47 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:04:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050407214656.0d379508@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <003101c54114$10d3e240$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Dave, Don't think I will be able to make the dinner but I will have a donation for the auction. The guys I travel with refuse to eat at "Hog Troths" anymore. The last two times we patronized the place the price and quality was un-believable.(that was about 3 years ago). Maybe things have changed and as my boss used to tell me seeing the shape I am in I should miss a few meals so I could cut down on the quantify. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2005 Dinner/Auction > Hi All, > The Annual ATIS Dinner at Portland will be on Thursday, August 25th at > 6:00 PM this year. As in past years the dinner will be at the Back 40 > Junction in Decatur, IN. From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 14 09:14:18 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:14:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks Message-ID: <425E96DA.2070308@fidnet.com> Ron, It sure looks like you found a good 'un this time. From the action on Ebay it looks like your engine is generating some excitement. There won't be any competition from this part of the Ozarks--I won't bid on it. Having said that I guess the reality of it is that if it takes too many more $600.00 bid increases it will soon be out of my price range anyway. Good Luck on bidding. Gary PS Doesn't it taint the milk of human kindness just a bit when you provide the background information to have it used against you! -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Apr 14 09:29:14 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:29:14 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001501c5410f$1c74aad0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Curt, that's a very interesting and instructive write up you did. I have never done this so what I read and see is new for me and therefore I can't have any critique I thought. It looks so easy the same as Craig shows his workmanship, but I think I'm a little afraid to do it myselfs. Thanks for sharing this, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > me what I might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Thu Apr 14 10:24:07 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:24:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Barn Fresh Fairbanks....Here are some pictures, and, the eBay auction Message-ID: Hi Tom, The Lists, and the BYB, provided the identification. I wrote the eBay script for the seller. At this point, the auction has passed up the skimpy wallet capabilities here at Poverty Ridge West. Dave, you are right. It would have been nice had the seller given me right of first refusal, but, I didn't ask, either. On the other hand, I am hoping that the efforts I made on this one will stir up more and maybe I'll be able to skim some cream off the top next time. :>) Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/14/2005 7:28:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, Germoamer at aol.com writes: Good luck Ron. That is a nice engine to have and sorry you did not have to opportunity to get it directly. Did you help gather the information for his write up on Ebay? I see you have plenty of early bidding competition! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 10:45:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:45:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605041410456f6a6206@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/05, Curt wrote: > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > me what I might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland Looks pretty good from here, might be worth having a small glossary of terms for newbies? Pictures were good also. Oh, and a list of what tools (for the machining, mainly) are required might be useful. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 10:49:51 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:49:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps In-Reply-To: References: <6f6025160504140700476e0320@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050414104971c3fae7@mail.gmail.com> On 4/14/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Overkill was used a lot back then, eh Peter? Probably not even in the > dictionary anymore. I guess William didn't cover the babbitt with main > bearing shim...although I probably will...would think the grease wouldn't > ooze out quite so easy. > > Well headed for Enco as I'm trying to find some key stock to use for a drill > guide..key ain't square > > later, > RickinMt. It is interesting looking at how the older engines evolved processes that enabled cheaper/easier production or just facilitated getting the engines actually out of the door. Lister in the UK went a fairly well-trodden path with their stuff and when they found a good solution they stayed with it. Their longevity was a much due to overkill on the bearing sizes and underrating of the engines as anything else. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nick at holden1.net Thu Apr 14 11:32:04 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:32:04 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion References: <000a01c54106$f42c99a0$5154becf@computer> Message-ID: <425EB724.000001.03740@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi if you are talking about notches of carbon just use a ring grove cleaner if you are talking about steps in the piston then you may have the wrong rings Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Stacy Leis Date: 04/14/05 14:36:59 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Hi List I was wondering if I can grind the little notches in the piston ring grove so the new rings will fit? thank you for the help Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 14 11:54:23 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:54:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> Andy, MSC Tool supply. http://www1.mscdirect.com/cgi/nnsrhm I just checked the big book and they have them. You could help the next generation and use some anti-sieze on the key. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Andy Glines wrote: > After a nasty struggle getting the flywheel key out of the Huber I > want to make sure that I put it back correctly. We have discussed how > to get a gib key out. What are the proper steps for installing one? > Should they be installed dry? with lube? Where do I get a new key? > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 12:34:30 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:34:30 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050412181604.027e9640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> References: <004901c53d56$28e00920$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> <6f6025160504121748194d4d21@mail.gmail.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20050412181604.027e9640@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605041412342f41d2c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/13/05, Larry Evans wrote: > Glad to hear you had a good flight. Tulare weather forecast, high 70's and > low 80's F. and clear for the weekend. > > See you there, > Larry I have brought over one of my Trimite BS381C / BS4800 / RAL paint colour charts, it is a bit tatty but if anyone needs a quick check on a colour, we could do that while there. I also hope to be able to go into a paint mixing shop over here and get the colour spots scanned for the Lister colour. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nick at holden1.net Thu Apr 14 13:12:02 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:12:02 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425ECE92.000001.01016@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi curt it all looks good to me maybe a bit moor info on the measurement for anybody without a CNC type readout Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Curt Date: 04/14/05 16:19:46 To: SEL Subject: [SEL] Please critique Guys, As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell me what I might add, change, or improve. Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://www.oldengine org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 From chesnimnus at juno.com Thu Apr 14 13:14:36 2005 From: chesnimnus at juno.com (chesnimnus at juno.com) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:14:36 GMT Subject: [SEL] NW IHC Show Dates & New Name: Great Western Binder Bee Message-ID: <20050414.131440.94.347154@webmail17.lax.untd.com> Those of you that attended the 2004 NW Binder RoundUp at the Western Antique Powerland in Brooks, Oregon will be pleased to know that there will another show this year at the same location. The name has been changed, and it is now called the Great Western Binder Bee. The name was selected to reflect its position as a western regional show for the left half of the country. Those of you with a tendency toward old McCormick and other old ag machines will appreciate the name. For those of you that did not come last year, we had somewhere shy of 400 entrants, with around 180 trucks, and the remainder being tractors, industrial machines, reefers, engines, and even a humidifier. From what I have heard, this is larger than all but the Red Power RoundUp. This year we will be holding it again at the Western Antique Powerland in Brooks, Oregon on July 8, 9, and 10. Like last year, this will be open to anything and everything made by IHC and is related companies built between 1831 and 2005. This year, there will also most likely be draft animals pulling old implements by McCormick, Plano, and others. We found a club that is into draft animals, and their tools of trade are almost exclusively IHC. Barring any conflict of date with another show that they are already committed to, they will be there working the animals. We also simplified the registration fees, and trimmed down the number of judging categories. Last year was too confusing. Truck judging will be done by a select committee from IHSTO, and I believe the tractors will be judged by a group from IHCC. Like last year, there will be camping and hookups onsite, and lodging within 10 minutes of the grounds. If anyone wants to learn more about the Great Western Binder Bee, the point man on this is John Donnelly. He is not the president of our club this year (International Scouts and Trucks of Oregon), but he is the chairman for the show. If you want to get the registration packet mailed to you, please contact me, or contact John at . The local IH vendors know about this show too. If you call Binder Books, you can ask them about the show too. If you are ordering anything from them, be sure to ask them to include a flyer about the show. Ultimately, you will have to get the registration from John. Judging by our feedback, this year's show will be larger than last year. We hope to see you there! -Colin Rush From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 14 16:15:01 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:15:01 +1000 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally In-Reply-To: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: If all goes well i'll be there but i hope to catch up with you before then Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" , > "Stationary Engine ATIS List" >Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally >Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:56:37 +1000 > >Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on >heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? >I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish >a >restoration or two by then :) >Patrick > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Update your mobile with a hot polyphonic ringtone: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191polyphonicringtone From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Apr 14 16:29:24 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:29:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally References: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001301c54149$cf2d7cd0$849c81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Maybe Patrick ........but in all honesty distance and they way fuel prices are heading it makes it difficult . The same would apply for you to come over here . I am disappointed that it has come to this but i am sure you all appreciate the problem . You are very lucky on the east coast in that you are all within reasonable striking distance of each other. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; "Stationary Engine ATIS List" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally > Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on > heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? > I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish > a > restoration or two by then :) > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 14 16:35:07 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:35:07 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: 225623228 Message-ID: <013b01c5414a$9ad96150$0201010a@Portable> Curt,it all looks good to me. If I was doing it myself I would likely machine a clean up cut on the chucking button as the first step or even after cleaning up the O.D of the piston. Then its a lot easier to set up again if you don't get it finished in one session or your mate comes in and wants a rush job done. You have set it out very clearly. Nice job Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: [SEL] Please critique > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small Herc/Econ > pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they may be > fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have requested I > provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to try this > pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell me what I > might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 17:18:23 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 01:18:23 +0100 Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally In-Reply-To: <001301c54149$cf2d7cd0$849c81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <200504140456.j3E4ukQw018453@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001301c54149$cf2d7cd0$849c81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <6f6025160504141718101ae70c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, peter ogborne wrote: > Maybe Patrick ........but in all honesty distance and they way fuel prices > are heading it makes it difficult . The same would apply for you to come > over here . I am disappointed that it has come to this but i am sure you all > appreciate the problem . You are very lucky on the east coast in that you > are all within reasonable striking distance of each other. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine Mailing List" ; > "Stationary Engine ATIS List" > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:56 PM > Subject: [SEL] The next National Rally > > > Not too many of us got to the National in Naracoorte. Who is planning on > > heading up to Biloela in a little under 2 years time? > > I am planning on going (that should scare a few off) and I may even finish > > a > > restoration or two by then :) > > Patrick > > > > Patrick M Livingstone We did look at Naracoote this year for a trip over, but the uncertainties of accomodation and travelling made it a non-starter. Holding a decent sized show somewhere that is off the beaten track is not a good thing from a visitor's point of view, and the same issues come up for overseas travellers as well. I couldn't find much about the place: http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/capricorn/biloela.cfm At least the USA has a well-established Motel system that really works. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Thu Apr 14 20:54:24 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:54:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] CRS In-Reply-To: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70430BAA7@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <425F3AF0.3070409@wightman.ca> Another problem arises when my dad has this CRS thing happen to him. The next time he comes to my place, he always prowls around the garage like he is taking inventory. Comments like "Hey! Isn't that my pipe wrench?" etc. always seem to come out. Duncan Bruce Younger wrote: >>>>I remembered I had come with my wife's car instead of my truck. >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>Charlie >>>> >>>> > >While sitting in the middle of a gymnasium floor, with no one else in >the building, I laid a #2 Phillips screwdriver down. Never did find it. > > >Bruce Younger >Lenexa, Kansas USA >mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Apr 14 21:07:43 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:07:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <425EB724.000001.03740@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> ? Not sure what you mean - the L-A I have uses square cut rings - a cross section of the ring looks like a square. The rings have no special shape and go into plain ring grooves. If the rings don't just fit into the groove, it's the wrong rings. Alamo made the engines for them, and both of mine have just plain ordinary rings and plain grooves in the pistons. If the grooves are carboned up, use a ring groove cleaner like nick said. Funny, I got the reply as shown below, but not the original message that prompted the reply! Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of nick Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:32 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Hi if you are talking about notches of carbon just use a ring grove cleaner if you are talking about steps in the piston then you may have the wrong rings Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Stacy Leis Date: 04/14/05 14:36:59 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion Hi List I was wondering if I can grind the little notches in the piston ring grove so the new rings will fit? thank you for the help Stacy :-) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.9 - Release Date: 13/04/2005 _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Fri Apr 15 04:09:45 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:09:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation In-Reply-To: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> References: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425FA0F9.9020604@wightman.ca> Oh come on Curt! Anti seize?? Where would the challenge and all the fun and stress be then? :-) Although I be Rick S. is wishing the keys on the Galloway had them about now. :-( Duncan Curt wrote: > > You could help the next generation and use some anti-sieze on the key. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From jbcast at charter.net Fri Apr 15 04:08:36 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:08:36 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Please critique Message-ID: <3rr89m$tjk0j6@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Curt, the machining operation looks fine to me. When I machined my pistons I chucked them from the land side and centered the inside as you did. I then faced the end and chamfered, rough machined inside and out. Turn the piston around, chuck the machined bottom of the skirt with the squared face against the chuck, drill a center hole on the top. Remove the piston, install a piece of stock in the chuck and machine a cone on it to mate against the chamfer on the skirt of the piston. The piston can be turned by using a live center to hold it against the cone, a friction cut, between centers. It can be cut all the way across without removing, and you can remove and intall it without having to recenter it. J.B. Castagnos From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 04:32:14 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:32:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it is going to be even higher by then. Paul From rustyiron at bigpond.com Fri Apr 15 16:37:06 2005 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:37:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines Message-ID: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some day some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to the West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still stored on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about these engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since been told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent photo's of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I think I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and this is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out there who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. Andy.... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Fri Apr 15 05:10:00 2005 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:10:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Key Installation In-Reply-To: <425EBC5F.40800@imc-group.com> References: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20050415081000.0170dc70@mail.accnorwalk.com> >You could help the next generation and use some anti-sieze on the key. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC _______________________________________________ I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Ever try to keep a Briggs flywheel tight when you grease the crankshaft on the taper? Seems to me that lube on a taper key would do the same thing. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 15 05:49:27 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:49:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps and bent rod References: <425E8721.7020507@mlode.com> Message-ID: Day or two later, but good morning to you also, Steve :-). I'm assuming your Dad did the brass mesh to stake the babbitt in place or was it used to keep the insert together in case of breakage? There's a guy around here that takes his ole truck (with babbitt) to Sturgis. Has his tools and onboard babbitt making kit in the back. Says he has to stop once or twice during the trip and work on his bearings. Now that's high tolerance! On another note gang..here's the rod: http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/322492383bUmDwf With some heat like Curt suggested, it shouldn't be brain surgery to straighten, and check with a dial indicator. Crank gear might also need replaced as some teeth are bent considerably (understandable after what they went thru). Well later gang, the snow is gone and looks like it might be a nice day. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gray" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps > Mornin' Rick - > > I've never seen wire used in these low speed toys of ours, but I've > seen it (brass wire mesh) used quite a bit in high speed & racing > applications. My dad, for one, used it in the mains of his Model T hill > climber engines. These were very highly modified high revving engines. > If I remember right, I think he even used it in the stock blocks. > > - Steve > > -- > Steve Gray > Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 > Sonora, California USA > e-mail: segray at mlode.com > Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Howdy all from snowy Mt.:-(((((((( > > > > This is new to me. When I melted the babbitt out, these wires showed > > up. > >I would have thought just having the "staking holes" would have been > >enough > >to hold the brng. in place. > > > >Jus neat trivia IMO > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/321622561wiktZm > > > >later, > >RickinMt. > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 06:58:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:58:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines In-Reply-To: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <6f60251605041506581397355b@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Andy wrote: > Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some day > some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to the > West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still stored > on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about these > engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only > describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single > cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum > Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since been > told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. > I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent photo's > of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I think > I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and this > is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine > collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out there > who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. > Andy.... > > Andy Nicholson Hi Andy: A very small bit of information, but it might help you. Stationary Engine magazine in the UK has had a couple of articles on these engines and their connection with the UK and Switzerland. I'm in the US at present so can't help with any more than that, but it is a start. I vaguely remember that Hillman Cars may have been the UK connection as well. HTH Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 07:01:39 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:01:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, Paul Maples wrote: > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it is going to be even higher by then. > > Paul FYI, it was up to 96p per litre in the UK when we left to come over, that's approximately $US7.00 per gallon. That was for freeway service stations, and a little lower round the towns. I know that $2.80 a gallon sounds a lot for you guys, but it is really cheap still compared with Europe. Tim & I were discussing this yesterday, it is about $2.78 to $2.85 round San Jose, depending on the outlet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From sleis at mwt.net Fri Apr 15 09:04:44 2005 From: sleis at mwt.net (Stacy Leis) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:04:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> Hi everybody I' m talking about the little pin's that hold the ring in place. the origional rings have a little pice cut out on the tip of them to go aroud the pin in the ring grove if that makes sense. I got the new rings form hit & miss Stacy From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 15 07:11:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:11:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt; Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS IN GEM!!! We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. GEM is missing something lately Thanks for taking the time pard!!! Rick and Corky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM Subject: [SEL] Please critique > Guys, > As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > me what I might add, change, or improve. > Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 15 07:23:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:23:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread Message-ID: Howdy again; This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I suggested NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. Headed for the shed. RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 15 07:54:50 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:54:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050415104736.0221e4d8@mail.alltel.net> At 12:04 PM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >Hi everybody > > I' m talking about the little pin's that hold the ring in place. the >origional rings have a little pice cut out on the tip of them to go aroud >the pin in the ring grove if that makes sense. I got the new rings form hit >& miss > > Stacy Hi Stacy, For your application (an engine show with a 4 cycle engine) the pins are not really necessary. On a two cycle engine they may be necessary in order to keep the end of the rings away from the ports--but they are not necessary on your engine. Many engines (4 cycle) did not have the pins when they were manufactured. You can simply remove (ie grind them out) and make life a lot simpler for yourself. Dave PS, The rings you got from Hit and Miss will have to be sized. Two thousands per inch of bore dia. will be about right. From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 08:05:40 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:05:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425FD844.70908@imc-group.com> Rick, Course threads will be less prone to strip. Fine threads are used to assure high clamping forces. Take head studs on an automotive engine for example. You'll find course threads in the block into which the studs are seated fully. Then the cyl head is placed on. High hex fine thread nuts will be used to assure plenty of clamping force to keep the gasket sealed. Here is a brain teaser. You've seen turnbuckles that use a RH and a LH thread? Try making a turnbuckle with both RH threads but make one side with course threads and the other side with fine threads. The mechanical advantage is staggering and you'll be able to really put a tight cinch on something. Far more effective than a standard RH/LH turnbuckle. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Richard Strobel wrote: >Howdy again; > This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most >preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I suggested >NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. > >Headed for the shed. > >RickinMt. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Apr 15 08:17:57 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:17:57 EDT Subject: [SEL] Key Installation Message-ID: <1c9.26bdc601.2f913525@aol.com> Hi List, Several months ago, there was some discussion on step keys. I have a pulley with a 1/4" grove and the engine shaft is 3/8" wide. The distance between the top of the pulley grove and the bottom of the shaft grove is 1/4". My local supplier told me that step keys don't come in double steps. That is the 3/8" will step down to 5/16" and the 5/16" will step down to 1/4". Since I couldn't obtain a key that went from 3/8" to 1/4". I made one. I took a piece of 1/4" square key and silver soldered two strips of 1/16" x 1/8" metal on both sides. I cleaned up (with a file) the modified key. Then, I used the modified key to install the pulley (with a set screw) on the engine shaft. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 08:21:00 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:21:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605041508216d302e4f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/15/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy again; > This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most > preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I suggested > NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. > > Headed for the shed. > > RickinMt. Personally I'd go for NC, the thread depth is better IIRC. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From linstrum55 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 15 08:33:54 2005 From: linstrum55 at yahoo.com (Richard Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] How Babbit Works-will not stick to iron/steel Message-ID: <20050415153355.19296.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Rick Strobel?s thread ?Wire in main bearing caps?: Babbit bearing alloys have one property that is both a blessing and a curse. Babbit contains antimony and occasionally arsenic, bismuth, and phosphorus as well. These four additives are all members of the ?Group V? family of elements and all share similar properties. One property is that they will not stick to iron or steel, and a very good example of this property can be found in the well-known silver solder alloys called Silphos and Phoscopper used for copper tubing. They work great on copper but when used on iron or steel they appear to work great, but on cooling, the phosphorus-containing silver solder falls off! This property is useful because Silphos and Phoscopper are themselves fabulous bronze bearing alloys as well, and to cast them a steel mandrel is machined to size, polished, the phosphorus silver solder cast around the mandrel, and then the mandrel pressed out. Babbit does the exact same thing, so to get it to stay inside a steel or cast iron bearing shell it has the familiar staking holes, screws, wires, and/or pins that physically ?cage? or lock it in place. One recommended procedure for preparing a shell for casting is to flux it with sal ammoniac (ammonium chloride) or zinc chloride and tin it with 37% lead 63% tin solder. However, I found out the hard way to NEVER rely on the tinning to keep the bearing in the shell! The tinning is ONLY to facilitate the flow of the babbit into the shell so it makes intimate contact with the backing shell and to prevent air pockets. You must use staking holes, screws, or the wires that Rick mentioned to keep the bearing in place. Now, the good part of babbit not sticking to iron or steel is that particular property is what makes it such a fabulous bearing alloy! Without antimony or any of the other mentioned additives, the babbit would gall or smear and become cold soldered to the cast iron or steel crankshaft bearing surface, with immediate destruction of the bearing. Besides the traditional antimony content, I have also worked with babbits that contain arsenic, phosphorus, and bismuth, which all work very well, with the exception that bismuth babbit has a maximum operating temperature of about 180?F that precludes its use in high speed or hot-running engines. Arsenic is probably the best additive for babbit, but because of the hysteria associated with it as a violent poison it is nearly impossible to obtain and its equally deadly ?brother? antimony is used instead. Of course, from over 165 years of excellent service for machine bearings, the tin-lead-copper-antimony babbit alloys have proven themselves to 100% satisfactory! By the way, until about the year 1839 babbit was simply called pewter. It was Mr. Isaac Babbit (American inventor, 1799-1862) who improved pewter specifically for use in high performance marine steam engines. See: http://www.americanbabbittinc.com/history_of_babbitt_bearings.htm Work and play safely! Rich ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 08:56:41 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <425FE439.6020105@imc-group.com> Rick, I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model building. Most of the stuff I post is just to give us something engine related to discuss during those long winter months. I do hope to write an article for GEM someday, on the behalf of my son Devin and the restoration of his Baker Monitor. I think he would enjoy seeing the fruits of his labor in a magazine. We all enjoyed seeing how proud Lincoln Tucker was to see his picture on the front of GEM. I'd like to see the same look on Devin's face too. Thanks for your kind words. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: >Curt; > Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS IN >GEM!!! > >We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. >Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final >coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. > >And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. > >GEM is missing something lately > >Thanks for taking the time pard!!! > >Rick and Corky > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Curt" >To: "SEL" >Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM >Subject: [SEL] Please critique > > > > >>Guys, >>As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small >>Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they >>may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have >>requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to >>try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell >>me what I might add, change, or improve. >>Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Apr 15 09:44:31 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:44:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread Message-ID: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> Hi Curt, That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing leverage. _Click here: Dictionary - Yahooligans! Reference -_ (http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA PS: Thanks for sharing your turning of the piston blank. I enjoyed seeing it. . In a message dated 4/15/2005 10:25:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, _curt at imc-group.com_ (mailto:curt at imc-group.com) writes: Here is a brain teaser. You've seen turnbuckles that use a RH and a LH thread? Try making a turnbuckle with both RH threads but make one side with course threads and the other side with fine threads. The mechanical advantage is staggering and you'll be able to really put a tight cinch on something. Far more effective than a standard RH/LH turnbuckle. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From mogul460 at localnet.com Fri Apr 15 11:05:05 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:05:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01c541e5$a89e73c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Paul, I don't think its going to hurt the attendance at Portland so much as it will some of the other lesser shows. People will be more selective in the shows they are going to attend.. For example the cost of gas from Maine to Portland figuring $2.50 per gallon and pulling a trailer at 10 mpg for 1100 miles will be approx. $300. Then one nights motel stay en route another $50.. Turnpike tolls at least $30. The motel stay during show days plus gas back and forth from show ground to motel at least another $250 for 4 nights.Vendor lot $60. Total round trip cost approximately $690 Price ea. $345. Thats the cost of doing business . Of course the show is not all doing business and there are many other beneficial factors. For smaller shows I think the cost of gas will be a factor.I just received the notice this will be the last year for the S.E. Iowa Engine & Hobby Show at Des Moines Co. Fairgrounds, West Burlington ,IA Charlie Bryant Now from Central Maine where we have 2 seasons, winter and one month of hard sledding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > On 4/15/05, Paul Maples wrote: > > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it is going to be even higher by then. > > > > Paul > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 15 10:09:27 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 10:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> Message-ID: <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Professor Dave is right on. Piston rings rotate during normal operation. On a 2 stroke/cycle, this is a bad thing due to the ports and edges. On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. Our low speed engines won't realize much if ANY rotation. The pins are not really essential. If they rotate, so what, it's normal and actually wanted. If they don't, then gee, they are acting like they had pins. Two choices - take the pins out/remove them or cut the rings to fit the pins. Precision? Not needed on these antiques. If you were building a high speed/high power engine, race car, AIRPLANE engine, etc., I might argue a bit (and let you speak with Charlie if it's aircraft related - something about ram's blood?). Even if you cut or grind the rings to fit around the pins, a bit off is NO big deal. Listen also on the ring gap - too little is deadly, too much won't hurt much. Dave gave advice that will help you make that thing run. Bill > Hi everybody > > I' m talking about the little pin's that hold the ring in place. the > origional rings have a little pice cut out on the tip of them to go aroud > the pin in the ring grove if that makes sense. I got the new rings form > hit > & miss > > Stacy > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 10:20:34 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:20:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: <425FE439.6020105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Now Curt, Please reconsider . Most of us GEM readers are just back yard tinkerers and never will be as good as Tommy or Craig, but we all can learn a lot by articles like yours. I've never had any machine shop lessons at all, I just blunder my way along and somehow get by. So send that in to Richard right now. Steve >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Please critique >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:56:41 -0400 > >Rick, >I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high >quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in >comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my >local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be >encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model >building. >Most of the stuff I post is just to give us something engine related to >discuss during those long winter months. >I do hope to write an article for GEM someday, on the behalf of my son >Devin and the restoration of his Baker Monitor. I think he would enjoy >seeing the fruits of his labor in a magazine. We all enjoyed seeing how >proud Lincoln Tucker was to see his picture on the front of GEM. I'd like >to see the same look on Devin's face too. >Thanks for your kind words. >Curt > >Richard Strobel wrote: > >>Curt; >> Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS >>IN GEM!!! >> >>We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. >>Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final >>coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. >> >>And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. >> >>GEM is missing something lately >> >>Thanks for taking the time pard!!! >> >>Rick and Corky >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" >>To: "SEL" >>Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM >>Subject: [SEL] Please critique >> >> >> >> >>>Guys, >>>As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small >>>Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they >>>may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have >>>requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to >>>try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell >>>me what I might add, change, or improve. >>>Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. >>>Curt Holland >>>Gastonia, NC >>>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 15 10:05:51 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:05:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - It's NOT because of the gas prices. I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and still continue to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - Pump - Refine - Distribute - just to get a gallon of gas to you - and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - not to mention all the Government Regulation - to get a gallon of milk to you - Maybe we'd look at it differently. Just my two cents. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 15 10:42:54 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:42:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504151811.j3FIBf4v005351@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Curt, could you go into this a little deeper, or possibly send me to a site that can explain this turnbuckle more for me?? I can _sorta_ see how the two tpi could give a differential, but both with rh threads?--that is the part I cannot visualize. In Ron's example, the winds are opposite, which I can see where it would provide a compound action. TIA---and Thanks also for the pictures & write-up of your piston sequence! Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 10:52:06 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:52:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> Message-ID: <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> Ron, What a neat mechanical device! I'd never seen this. Your depth of knowledge never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for sharing. Curt MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > >Hi Curt, >That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called >the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing >leverage. >_Click here: Dictionary - Yahooligans! Reference -_ >(http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) > > >Regards, >Ron Carroll > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 15 10:59:37 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:59:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. > > Bill, Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being pinned in place? Curt From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 15 11:43:49 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion In-Reply-To: <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. Easier for hot spots and scuffing. http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm I had a piece from Michigan State University a few months ago when this came up in high-performance engine discussions and bloody heck can't find it! www.eci2fly.com/Tech_Ref/si/02-6.pdf One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. It's worn all the way around. I'll try to find my documentation on it and pass it along. There's a lot of science to it, however, on these engines, well - they will outlast most of us, rotate or not! Bill > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > >>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >> >> > Bill, > Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being > pinned in place? > Curt > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 15 11:51:47 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:51:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <001c01c541ec$2e56e0a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] NC or NF thread > Ron, > What a neat mechanical device! I'd never seen this. Your depth of > knowledge never ceases to amaze me. > Thanks for sharing. > Curt > >Hi Curt, > >That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called > >the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing > >leverage. > >_Click here: Dictionary - Yahooligans! Reference -_ > >(http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) > >Ron Carroll Hi Curt, This is the same Weston Differential block that I have used for 25 years to load engines on to the shelves of my storage building. See http://www.alexdenouden.nl/08/weston2.htm (Partly in English) I have had no problems at all lifting up to 6 HP engines! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:12:38 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:12:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002b01c541ef$2118f4c0$230110ac@PAUL> Yikes!!!! Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > On 4/15/05, Paul Maples wrote: >> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >> Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would >> just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are >> on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to >> consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news >> it is going to be even higher by then. >> >> Paul > > FYI, it was up to 96p per litre in the UK when we left to come over, > that's approximately $US7.00 per gallon. That was for freeway service > stations, and a little lower round the towns. > > I know that $2.80 a gallon sounds a lot for you guys, but it is really > cheap still compared with Europe. Tim & I were discussing this From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:14:39 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:14:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread References: Message-ID: <003001c541ef$612e4a60$230110ac@PAUL> Rick, I purchased a NF Grade 8 Bolt and tap but then someone suggested that the threads on a coarse bolts were deeper and when I compared the two taps the coarse thread did have deeper threads so I went with the coarse bolt and tap but ended up welding a bolt to the key itself and pulling it out. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread > Howdy again; > This came up when Paul was pulling his Gib Key. What thread is most > preferred when installing the bolt in order to get the key out? I > suggested NF only because that's what the aircraft I've worked on have. > > Headed for the shed. > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:18:04 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:18:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c541e5$a89e73c0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <005501c541ef$db767590$230110ac@PAUL> Excellent response Charlie, good analysis. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R Bryant" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Paul, > > I don't think its going to hurt the attendance at Portland so much as it > will some of > the other lesser shows. People will be more selective in the shows they > are going to attend.. For example the cost of gas from Maine to Portland > figuring $2.50 > per gallon and pulling a trailer at 10 mpg for 1100 miles will be approx. > $300. > Then one nights motel stay en route another $50.. Turnpike tolls at least > $30. > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 15 12:19:43 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:19:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <006201c541f0$1680bf60$230110ac@PAUL> Hey Joe this is a good perspective, it is nice to get comments from both ends of the spectrum. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Hi Paul, > > > > I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - > It's NOT because of the gas prices. > > I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and > still continue > to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". > > If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - > Pump - Refine - Distribute - > just to get a gallon of gas to you - > and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - > Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - > From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 15 12:29:39 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <2594.165.206.180.102.1113593379.squirrel@antique-engines.com> I pay 50 cents for a litre of flavored bottled drinking water. I pretty much quit buying "bottled pop" due to it being $1.25. Bill > Hi Paul, > > > > I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - > It's NOT because of the gas prices. > > I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and > still continue > to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". > > If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - > Pump - Refine - Distribute - > just to get a gallon of gas to you - > and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - > Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - > not to mention all the Government Regulation - to get a gallon of milk > to you - > Maybe we'd look at it differently. > Just my two cents. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 15 12:48:36 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Curt, I agree with Steve on this one. I look at the range of machining skills that exist in the hobby in the same way that I look at the range of engines. We all love to read about and drool over the rare and exotic sideshafts and camstoppers. They're really cool. But we also like to read about the Hercs and Economys and Associateds too because we have a chance to own those engines. Likewise with the machining. It's really fun to see the work that Craig does, because of the variety, the clever setups, and the cool old machines being put to work. But for most of us, we may own a lathe and drill press. Maybe a milling adapter for the lathe. So its also good to read articles that are describing projects that are in the range of something we could do in our home shops. I keep telling Jim French that he should send in an article to SEM on how he built the Fairbanks Eclipse model. They did a really fancy six-part article with one of the top flight English model builders doing it. That bloke had the full machine shop, did all the fancy setups, etc. Very nice article and very nice piece of work. Jim had his little lathe. I think it would definitely be a piece that more readers could relate to. It would make an excellent counterpoint to the six-part article. So I say go for it!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > Now Curt, Please reconsider . Most of us GEM readers are just back yard > tinkerers and never will be as good as Tommy or Craig, but we all can learn > a lot by articles like yours. I've never had any machine shop lessons at > all, I just blunder my way along and somehow get by. So send that in to > Richard right now. Steve > > >From: Curt > >I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high > >quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in > >comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my > >local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be > >encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model > >building. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 15 12:52:53 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, THAT'S why Ron's science classes were so popular!!! The teaching profession lost one of its best when Ron retired!!! See ya, Arnie On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > What a neat mechanical device! I'd never seen this. Your depth of > knowledge never ceases to amaze me. > > MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > >That sounds like a machinist's version of a Chinese windlass, also called > >the differential windlass which is a simple but powerful means of increasing > >leverage. > >(http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entries/64/d0216400.html) From glenn.karch at gte.net Fri Apr 15 13:12:46 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:12:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] GEM story Message-ID: <002b01c541f7$7fb011a0$d4a8123f@oemcomputer> Hey Curt, You can put the Hercules/Economy piston story in GEM under the Hercules Engine News. I'd be glad to miss a month of working up a story. Ask Richard about it. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 15 13:32:41 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. Bullshit. The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents what happens with normal pinned piston rings. A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. Take a look at... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The cylinder wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I replaced the rings. My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. > http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm > > One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look > at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if > there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an > unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. > It's worn all the way around. > > > bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > >>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. > >> > > Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being > > pinned in place? > > Curt From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 15 13:41:17 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:41:17 +0200 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread References: <68.53b784cc.2f91496f@aol.com> <425FFF46.9090302@imc-group.com> <001c01c541ec$2e56e0a0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000901c541fb$7cd52f70$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Dave, I use my electric trailer winch the same way, so I pull 4 tons with a 2 ton winch. John H. > > Hi Curt, This is the same Weston Differential block that I have used for 25 years > to load engines on to the shelves of my storage building. > See http://www.alexdenouden.nl/08/weston2.htm (Partly in English) > I have had no problems at all lifting up to 6 HP engines! > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 15 13:59:56 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:59:56 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines References: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <000901c541fe$17c7dd00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Andy, are you talking about an engine like this? http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/FelixRenauer3hp1914.jpg Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some day > some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to the > West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still stored > on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about these > engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only > describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single > cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum > Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since been > told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. > I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent photo's > of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I think > I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and this > is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine > collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out there > who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. > Andy.... > > Andy Nicholson > Exmouth W.A. > Oz. > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 15 14:24:39 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:24:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <20050415.133311.288.3.jlb94@juno.com> <006201c541f0$1680bf60$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <00d501c54202$b7091240$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> We are paying $1.20 a litre here in Oz. 4 to the gallon, near as dammit! $ 4.80 a gallon. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Hey Joe this is a good perspective, it is nice to get comments from both > ends of the spectrum. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph L Betz" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > > >> Hi Paul, >> >> >> >> I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it this year - but - >> It's NOT because of the gas prices. >> >> I'm amazed at how the people gripe about the price of gas and milk and >> still continue >> to pay grossly inflated prices for bottled water and other "Luxuries". >> >> If you consider what they (we) have to go through to - Explore - Drill - >> Pump - Refine - Distribute - >> just to get a gallon of gas to you - >> and - what the Dairy Farmers must go through - Raising - Milking - >> Pasturizing - Distributing etc. - >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 15 16:14:32 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:14:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines References: <000d01c54214$118a90c0$ce47fea9@ibmbnh186c> <6f60251605041506581397355b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01c54210$e6836d50$909781cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hi Andy.....I have had the same treatment from the Timms brothers ,I will go so far as to say they are a couple ignorant characters. However our club has a Felix engine,sounds like the one you describe . I have a photo that i will send to you tonight . The custodian [ the person who is restoring it is not on the net ] but if i can help let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines > On 4/16/05, Andy wrote: >> Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some >> day >> some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to >> the >> West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still >> stored >> on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about >> these >> engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only >> describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single >> cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum >> Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since >> been >> told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the head. >> I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent >> photo's >> of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I >> think >> I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and >> this >> is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine >> collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out >> there >> who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. >> Andy.... >> >> Andy Nicholson > > Hi Andy: > > A very small bit of information, but it might help you. > > Stationary Engine magazine in the UK has had a couple of articles on > these engines and their connection with the UK and Switzerland. I'm in > the US at present so can't help with any more than that, but it is a > start. > > I vaguely remember that Hillman Cars may have been the UK connection as > well. > > HTH > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 15 16:18:04 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:18:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines In-Reply-To: <000901c541fe$17c7dd00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Hi Andy, i have one complete felix like you decribed and two parts engines. They are resonably common around this area .What imfomation are you looking for.Let me know and i will see what i can find. I do know that the serial no is stamped on most of the main castings. Dave >From: "John Hammink" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Felix or Electra Engines >Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:59:56 +0200 > >Hi Andy, are you talking about an engine like this? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/FelixRenauer3hp1914.jpg > >Regards, >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > Hello All, I keep running this question now and again in the hope some >day > > some one will be able to help? Just before moving from the East coast to >the > > West coast, 4 years ago, I purchased a Felix Engine, which is still >stored > > on the East coast awaiting my return. I'm after any information about >these > > engines, I have only photo's of the engine I've in storage and can only > > describe from looking at the photo's and from memory. It's a single > > cylinder, 3.5hp, "F" type head/Barrel and has a brass tag with "Bartrum > > Bor's Brisbane" or Bertrum, I couldn't find an engine # but have since >been > > told that it's in-between the Core plugs fittings on the top of the >head. > > I've phoned numerus times to the Timms brothers, and I've even sent >photo's > > of the engine with a return stamped envelope, asking for their help. I >think > > I made the mistake of telling them that this engine wasn't for sale and >this > > is the reason for the silence. I was warned of this by an other engine > > collector who has had the same treatment. So if there is any one out >there > > who can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. > > Andy.... > > > > Andy Nicholson > > Exmouth W.A. > > Oz. > > rustyiron at bigpond.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Buy want you really want - sell what you don't on eBay: http://adfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/705-10129-5668-323?ID=2 From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 15 17:32:25 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:32:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <42605D19.1030306@earthlink.net> Hi Arnie, I'll have to agree with you. My Sattley has pinned rings, and judging from the general condition of the engine, it has been well used over the years. The cylinder wall shows no signs of wear from the pinned rings and the gap being stationary. I do believe that rings would catch on ports on two cycle engines, yet the Maytags live on and on, so I really doubt that the rings rotate. Same goes for other two cycles I have worked on by the way. From my limited knowledge of engines, when wrist pins contact cylinders you have shrapnel. The wear marks in the cylinder tell you why. My too sense worth. Jeff Allen Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. >Bullshit. > >The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes >out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring >producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents what >happens with normal pinned piston rings. > >A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil >film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring >can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. > >My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. >Take a look at... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg > >As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The cylinder >wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring >ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I >replaced the rings. > >My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and >cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. > >Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for >one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance >improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see >problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > >>You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. >>http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm >> >>One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look >>at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if >>there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an >>unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. >>It's worn all the way around. >> >> >> >>>bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being >>>pinned in place? >>>Curt >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 15 17:47:07 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 18:47:07 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4260608B.1060707@earthlink.net> Well said Arnie, With my limited space and budget, I am looking at a small lathe/mill combo. Still can't get a bit of feedback on them on the list BTW. The thread on shop equipment a while back shows that some on the list have some great machine shops and I for one envy them. It is not in my future though. For the hacks like me the stuff you show is great. It does belong in GEM. One more vote to contact them. Great stuff Curt. Jeff Allen Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >I agree with Steve on this one. I look at the range of machining skills >that exist in the hobby in the same way that I look at the range of >engines. We all love to read about and drool over the rare and exotic >sideshafts and camstoppers. They're really cool. But we also like to >read about the Hercs and Economys and Associateds too because we have a >chance to own those engines. Likewise with the machining. It's really >fun to see the work that Craig does, because of the variety, the clever >setups, and the cool old machines being put to work. But for most of us, >we may own a lathe and drill press. Maybe a milling adapter for the >lathe. So its also good to read articles that are describing projects >that are in the range of something we could do in our home shops. > >I keep telling Jim French that he should send in an article to SEM on how >he built the Fairbanks Eclipse model. They did a really fancy six-part >article with one of the top flight English model builders doing it. That >bloke had the full machine shop, did all the fancy setups, etc. Very >nice article and very nice piece of work. Jim had his little lathe. >I think it would definitely be a piece that more readers could relate to. >It would make an excellent counterpoint to the six-part article. > >So I say go for it!! > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Steve Royster wrote: > > > >>Now Curt, Please reconsider . Most of us GEM readers are just back yard >>tinkerers and never will be as good as Tommy or Craig, but we all can learn >>a lot by articles like yours. I've never had any machine shop lessons at >>all, I just blunder my way along and somehow get by. So send that in to >>Richard right now. Steve >> >> >> >>>From: Curt >>>I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high >>>quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale in >>>comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple of my >>>local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we need to be >>>encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine restoration and model >>>building. >>> >>> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Fri Apr 15 18:09:59 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:09:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <003001c541ef$612e4a60$230110ac@PAUL> References: <003001c541ef$612e4a60$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <426065E7.9060306@optusnet.com.au> Paul Maples wrote: > Rick, I purchased a NF Grade 8 Bolt and tap but then someone suggested > that the threads on a coarse bolts were deeper and when I compared the > two taps the coarse thread did have deeper threads so I went with the > coarse bolt and tap but ended up welding a bolt to the key itself and > pulling it out. > > Paul ========== Soft material (CI, Al) = coarse thread Hard material = fine thread JW? ========== From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 18:24:49 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:24:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Please critique In-Reply-To: <4260608B.1060707@earthlink.net> References: <4260608B.1060707@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160504151824ae14a00@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > Well said Arnie, > > With my limited space and budget, I am looking at a small lathe/mill > combo. Still can't get a bit of feedback on them on the list BTW. Jeff: Go to one of the newsgroups that deal with this sort of thing regularly: uk.rec.models.engineering rec.crafts.metalworking > The thread on shop equipment a while back shows that some on the list > have some great machine shops and I for one envy them. It is not in my > future though. For the hacks like me the stuff you show is great. It > does belong in GEM. One more vote to contact them. Great stuff Curt. > > Jeff Allen The stuff that Curt put up was very interesting for a lot of us, and don't forget, not all of us are regular machinists, even if we do have largish workshops :-)) Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From ivancou at alltel.net Fri Apr 15 19:46:48 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:46:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Hauling the camper to Portland won't be cheap, but we're going to do it this year .This is supposed to be the 40 anniversary if I got it right so I hope its a big year . Next year ? But its starting to affect how much running around we do otherwise . And we are lucky compared to the people across the pond . We haven't been over for a few years but I still remember the cost from last trip . Ivan From asouth at strato.net Fri Apr 15 19:29:10 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 22:29:10 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. Arthur Arcadia, Fla. U.S.A. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 15 21:34:34 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:34:34 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050415213424d0fc1f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Ivan Cousins wrote: > Hauling the camper to Portland won't be cheap, but we're going to do it this > year .This is supposed to be the 40 anniversary if I got it right so I hope > its a big year . Next year ? > But its starting to affect how much running around we do otherwise . And > we are lucky compared to the people across the pond . We haven't been over > for a few years but I still remember the cost from last trip . Ivan > Remember that although we have probably the most expensive fuel, we also have the most fuel-efficient engines as a consequence. Our latest van will do over 33mpg if you are not racing up the freeway, and even towing a full load it will return 25mpg (UK gallons) if treated well from 2.5 litres engine capacity, 140hp. I looked at consumption figures for the US SUV's and even they are starting to climb the mpg ladder, and hopefully the cost of fuel will not hurt so much. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Apr 15 21:57:01 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:57:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Lindsy Alamo Piston Ring Qustion, now, off topic Message-ID: <193.3de6820a.2f91f51d@aol.com> Hi Bill, I concur with the ridge forming where the pinned ring end run. My Hudson Hornet had pinned rings, and, at overhaul, there was a ridge. Boring to .030" oversize took care of it, and new pistons turned from blanks, without the ring pins, were installed. They worked well. An old machinist working in a shop under an auto parts store did the overhaul. I was going to summer college classes, and I brought the engine in and asked if he would only work on it when I was there to observe as I wanted to learn a little about how he did it. He agreed, and I spent an hour a day for several weeks as he did a major overhaul. One neat part was the fitting and then balancing of the pistons. He worked with each until it would just slowly fall down the lightly oiled, bored and honed cylinder. Then, he got out his balance pan scales and shaved the heavy ones from the inside until all weighed close enough to each other to suit him. Hi piston turning lathe has a cam arrangement so that the pistons were oval rather than cylindrical in shape. He explained that he thought they became cylindrical as they were hot and working. At the college end, the physics class was doing classical experiments such as determining coefficient of expansion in different metals, sound resonance in tubes, refraction in water, and, lenses, and much more. What fun summer that was. Then, in the fall, the Hudson was on the road with a much stronger engine. Life was, and is, good. Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/15/2005 2:05:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Apr 16 00:39:17 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:39:17 +1000 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <014301c54257$bceb6aa0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Good way to look at it mate. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Southwell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices >I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or > drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's > probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. > > Arthur > > Arcadia, Fla. U.S.A. > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 16 03:17:03 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:17:03 +0100 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <001901c5426d$7b97c6a0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Southwell" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:29 AM Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or > drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's > probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. > Arthur Hi Arthur, you beat us there as well. 200 cigarettes in the UK costs us $91 (US) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 16 04:00:29 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 07:00:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Howdy all, Please take a look at the water pump for the Famous/Osborne that I'm still thinking about buying . I guess that you would call this a centrifugal type water pump that is driven by a belt running off a small pulley on the crankshaft. When Curt looked at the engine, he couldn't find a bracket for mounting it and he and the owner discussed but couldn't decide what it needed. So, does this pump mount directly to the engine or does it mount to the cart/skids between the engine and the cooling screen? Does it have a bracket or does it mount directly? If it needs a bracket, is that something that will be an easy thing to find? Thanks for the help, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From ivancou at alltel.net Sat Apr 16 05:03:56 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:03:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <6f602516050415213424d0fc1f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c5427c$5e40a540$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Peter , are most of the vehicles there still manual transmissions ? In the UK they gave us an automatic as they had lost our reservations and had to upgrade our rental . Ivan From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 16 05:57:49 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:57:49 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050416084340.02210e00@mail.alltel.net> At 10:29 PM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >I guess I'll pay the price and trudge on up there. Since I don't smoke or >drink, Portland is a good trade off. At $28.00 + or - per carton, it's >probably cheaper to go to Portland than smoke. >Arthur Hi Arthur, Once upon a time a man went to his doctor for his annual physical. When it was over the doctor said to the man "You are in very good shape considering your age." Now the gentleman had never even thought about his age before, and thus the doctor's statement came as a bit of a shock. Once he realized fully what the doctor had said the man asked "Doc, do you think I'll live to be 80?" The doctor then asked him "Do you drink?" to which the man answered "No." "Do you smoke?" the doctor asked, to which the guy again replied "No!" "Do you chase after wicked women?" was the doctor's next question. The man replied "NO, of course not, I'm married!" At which point the doctor asked "Why the hell do you want to live to be 80?" Dave PS, I do think that Portland is probably one GOOD reason to want to live to be 80, but if you need another one I think that Bambi and Nitro will be there with Arnie and me this year. Let me know if you want to be introduced to them! PPS, The dinner count is now up to 37! From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 06:46:22 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:46:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <000c01c5427c$5e40a540$6601a8c0@alltel.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <001401c5422e$8962a780$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <6f602516050415213424d0fc1f@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c5427c$5e40a540$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f602516050416064642476d78@mail.gmail.com> On 4/16/05, Ivan Cousins wrote: > Peter , are most of the vehicles there still manual transmissions ? In the > UK they gave us an automatic as they had lost our reservations and had to > upgrade our rental . Ivan 95% are still manual, my van is a six-speed box, most autos are 4-speed with the upper price range cars on 5 or 6 speed autos, most cars are 5-speed manual. One defining point is your car driving test, you have to take a separate driving test for manual transmission if you pass on an automatic gearbox car, while manual gearbox passes get you an auto grade automatically. Trailer towing also requires a separate test now, that came in a few years ago, while existing drivers had 'grandfather rights' and did not require a new test. Driver licencing is quite complex in the UK and Europe, you have lots of different classes of licence. I have car, motorcycle and truck licences, but within the average group such as the car or truck there are more sub-classes that you may or may not need a test for. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 16 07:17:46 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 10:17:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><001801c53c9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com> <003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com> Mike, On the engines I have seen the water pump is mounted behing the engine on the cart or skids. I don't remember seeing any brackets of special fixtures to mount them one, just screwed or bolted directly to a cross member. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY > Howdy all, > > Please take a look at the water pump for the Famous/Osborne that I'm > still thinking about buying > . I guess that > you would call this a centrifugal type water pump that is driven by a > belt running off a small pulley on the crankshaft. When Curt looked > at the engine, he couldn't find a bracket for mounting it and he and > the owner discussed but couldn't decide what it needed. So, does this > pump mount directly to the engine or does it mount to the cart/skids > between the engine and the cooling screen? Does it have a bracket or > does it mount directly? If it needs a bracket, is that something that > will be an easy thing to find? > > Thanks for the help, > Mike From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 16 08:48:51 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:48:51 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Tommy, I already told him that, I did some searching in the parts book and this type of pumps were only used in 1906-07 on the Port. and Fam. outfits. Looking at the engine tag it has to be a R1xxx serial # what means a 1906-07 Tank cooled engine not a Screen cooled because these came first in 1907. They had ( the 4 hp) a 8"x 1 5/16" drive pulley on the engine and the same year the factory changed it in a 3"x 1 5/16" pulley. The only water tank I could find for these early engine was a 30"x48" tank of 114 gallons capt. IMHO it's worth to buy it and own an early one Mike. John H. > Mike, > On the engines I have seen the water pump is mounted behing the > engine on the cart or skids. I don't remember seeing any brackets of > special fixtures to mount them one, just screwed or bolted directly to a > cross member. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Howdy all, > > > > Please take a look at the water pump for the Famous/Osborne that I'm > > still thinking about buying > > . I guess that > > you would call this a centrifugal type water pump that is driven by a > > belt running off a small pulley on the crankshaft. When Curt looked > > at the engine, he couldn't find a bracket for mounting it and he and > > the owner discussed but couldn't decide what it needed. So, does this > > pump mount directly to the engine or does it mount to the cart/skids > > between the engine and the cooling screen? Does it have a bracket or > > does it mount directly? If it needs a bracket, is that something that > > will be an easy thing to find? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 10:14:49 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:14:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] How Babbit Works-will not stick to iron/steel References: <20050415153355.19296.qmail@web52702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Richard and all who replied..neat stuff!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: [SEL] How Babbit Works-will not stick to iron/steel > Rick Strobel's thread "Wire in main bearing caps": > > Babbit bearing alloys have one property that is both a blessing and a > curse. Babbit contains antimony and occasionally arsenic, bismuth, and > phosphorus as well. These four additives are all members of the "Group > V" family of elements and all share similar properties. One property is > that they will not stick to iron or steel, and a very good example of > this property can be found in the well-known silver solder alloys > called Silphos and Phoscopper used for copper tubing. They work great > on copper but when used on iron or steel they appear to work great, but > on cooling, the phosphorus-containing silver solder falls off! This > property is useful because Silphos and Phoscopper are themselves > fabulous bronze bearing alloys as well, and to cast them a steel > mandrel is machined to size, polished, the phosphorus silver solder > cast around the mandrel, and then the mandrel pressed out. Babbit does > the exact same thing, so to get it to stay inside a steel or cast iron > bearing shell it has the familiar staking holes, screws, wires, and/or > pins that physically "cage" or lock it in place. One recommended > procedure for preparing a shell for casting is to flux it with sal > ammoniac (ammonium chloride) or zinc chloride and tin it with 37% lead > 63% tin solder. However, I found out the hard way to NEVER rely on the > tinning to keep the bearing in the shell! The tinning is ONLY to > facilitate the flow of the babbit into the shell so it makes intimate > contact with the backing shell and to prevent air pockets. You must use > staking holes, screws, or the wires that Rick mentioned to keep the > bearing in place. Now, the good part of babbit not sticking to iron or > steel is that particular property is what makes it such a fabulous > bearing alloy! Without antimony or any of the other mentioned > additives, the babbit would gall or smear and become cold soldered to > the cast iron or steel crankshaft bearing surface, with immediate > destruction of the bearing. Besides the traditional antimony content, I > have also worked with babbits that contain arsenic, phosphorus, and > bismuth, which all work very well, with the exception that bismuth > babbit has a maximum operating temperature of about 180?F that > precludes its use in high speed or hot-running engines. Arsenic is > probably the best additive for babbit, but because of the hysteria > associated with it as a violent poison it is nearly impossible to > obtain and its equally deadly "brother" antimony is used instead. Of > course, from over 165 years of excellent service for machine bearings, > the tin-lead-copper-antimony babbit alloys have proven themselves to > 100% satisfactory! By the way, until about the year 1839 babbit was > simply called pewter. It was Mr. Isaac Babbit (American inventor, > 1799-1862) who improved pewter specifically for use in high performance > marine steam engines. See: > > http://www.americanbabbittinc.com/history_of_babbitt_bearings.htm > > Work and play safely! > > > Rich > > ~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\:~:/+\: > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 10:17:09 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:17:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Please critique References: <425E854D.90607@imc-group.com> <425FE439.6020105@imc-group.com> Message-ID: I'll respect your wishes, pard. And thanx to all for the advise on using NC threads for the puller RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Please critique > Rick, > I'd rather you not send it as I don't think it has much merit for a high > quality publication like GEM. My piddly contributions to the hobby pale > in comparison to the greats of the hobby like Craig Prucha or a couple > of my local buddies Tommy Berry and Doug Kelley. These are the guys we > need to be encouraging to write articles for GEM about engine > restoration and model building. > Most of the stuff I post is just to give us something engine related to > discuss during those long winter months. > I do hope to write an article for GEM someday, on the behalf of my son > Devin and the restoration of his Baker Monitor. I think he would enjoy > seeing the fruits of his labor in a magazine. We all enjoyed seeing how > proud Lincoln Tucker was to see his picture on the front of GEM. I'd > like to see the same look on Devin's face too. > Thanks for your kind words. > Curt > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > >Curt; > > Corky and I enjoyed it very much. All we can add is YOUR STUFF BELONGS > > IN > >GEM!!! > > > >We'd like to see articles on just about anything regarding restoration. > >Ignitors, mixer, drill guides and removing keys, painting prep and final > >coat....pattern making, casting, you get the point. > > > >And with your permission, I'd like to send this to Backus. > > > >GEM is missing something lately > > > >Thanks for taking the time pard!!! > > > >Rick and Corky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Curt" > >To: "SEL" > >Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:59 AM > >Subject: [SEL] Please critique > > > > > > > > > >>Guys, > >>As you may recall I developed some patterns for making the small > >>Herc/Econ pistons with the 3.250 bore. These are made over sized so they > >>may be fitted to oversize bored engines. Several customers have > >>requested I provide a step by step machining procedure and I decided to > >>try this pictorial version. I was hoping you might critique it and tell > >>me what I might add, change, or improve. > >>Thanks for any suggestions you can offer. > >>Curt Holland > >>Gastonia, NC > >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/PistonMachiningSteps/Thumbnails.html > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sat Apr 16 13:43:50 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 13:43:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 R Fink At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would >just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are >on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to >consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news it >is going to be even higher by then. > >Paul >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 16 12:00:37 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:00:37 -0500 Subject: Fw: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices] Message-ID: <002301c542b6$94241180$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices] Marv, I don't know where the saying "two seasons, winter and one month of hard sledding" come from. This is logging country here and I did work in the woods prior to going in the army.during World War 2.Lumberjacks are now about a thing of the past. The machine cuts the tree down, limbs it and is hauled tree length to the paper mills and weighed, not scaled. It used to be cut in 4 foot lengths and if hemlock spruce or fir it had to be peeled. In the winter it used to be dumped into the streams and rivers and floated down to the mills in the spring. This is no longer allowed. I have heard many a story about loosing teams of horses hauling loads across the lakes. In fact my friend lost his truck and load driving across a lake (thin ice caused by a spring) I had better get something "on topic" here. My father bought a new 6 HP IHC, Igniter engine about 1918. He used it just for sawing wood for heating and cutting ensilage ( corn fodder) for the silo. He had it and the saw on skids which he towed around with horses even to the neighbors.At the beginning of World War 2 he had it stored in the barn and it became stuck. The government had a repair program where they furnished tools,shop and instructors that farmers could bring there farm equipment in for repair. I talked my Dad into bringing the 6 HP "M" there. I got the engine unstuck and running and we used it on the farm once again cutting corn for the silo. About 1950 he sold the farm and had an auction. At the auction I started the engine and it sold for $15.00. I left the State of Maine shortlytly after and pursued a career in aircraft. When I was relocated in Missouri from Switzerland I bought a house across the street from a guy the was president of the local engine and tractor club. That's how I got into the engine hobby. For the past several years I have hunted the State of Maine all over looking for this 6 HP "M" but never have found it (I could identify it from some welded repairs). In fact today I would pay $1,000 for this engine. So thats how I got into the engine hobby and why IHC engines have been one of my favorites. Charlie Bryant >From Maine-the two season Country ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "Charles R Bryant" Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices] charlie, my ?? is, did maine or minnesota lumberjacks originate the winter and tough sledding saying? my dad was a logger and my grandfather ran horse-powered logging camps here around the turn of the century so i've heard that saying since i was a wee tyke!! i grew up with work horses on the farm and in the woods as well. now i enjoy going to the shows to "play" with the equipment i grew up with :-)) marv in minn Charlie Bryant hard sledding From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 11:40:42 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:40:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mailing boxes Message-ID: Well learnt sometin yesterday and thot I'd share. The USPS has flat rate boxes. 2 sizes, I think and the biggest is about twice the size of a shoebox. You pick them up free at the P.O. and stuff them full of lead if you like, but it's only a little over 7 rockets to ship it anywhere in the U.S. I know: "Where ya been, Rick?" Worked good for shipping to Rowlands!! later, Rick PS: And I guess you go to www.usps.com and sign up for making address labels...going there now From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Apr 16 11:48:52 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:48:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Richard, I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Richard Fink Sr wrote: > It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 > R Fink > > > > > > At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: > >> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >> Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I >> would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older >> folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a >> factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According >> to the news it is going to be even higher by then. >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 16 12:12:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:12:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Mailing boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of my bullet casting buddies have been stuffing them full of lead and mailing them, in fact. You can do the same with babbitt, which makes it on topic. On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > Well learnt sometin yesterday and thot I'd share. The USPS has flat > rate > boxes. 2 sizes, I think and the biggest is about twice the size of a > shoebox. You pick them up free at the P.O. and stuff them full of > lead if > you like, but it's only a little over 7 rockets to ship it anywhere in > the > U.S. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 16 12:14:17 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med students that the other day and they looked at me like I was from another planet. On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Richard, > I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 > It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From galoway4 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 16 12:17:47 2005 From: galoway4 at earthlink.net (Arthur Buchanan) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:17:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <000c01c542b8$fae933d0$6ba39b18@jake> You are the only that can aford $1,190,000.00 Judge Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > Richard, > I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 > It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Richard Fink Sr wrote: > >> It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 >> R Fink >> >> >> >> >> >> At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >> >>> My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >>> Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I >>> would just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older >>> folks are on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a >>> factor to consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According >>> to the news it is going to be even higher by then. >>> >>> Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 13:04:15 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:04:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mailing boxes References: Message-ID: Also soap..'bout the right size. And I was jus thinkin' of babbitt in a box. Be a great way for one of the vendors to ship the heavy stuff. I'll mention that to Ed next time I chat with him. later John Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mailing boxes > Some of my bullet casting buddies have been stuffing them full of lead > and mailing them, in fact. > > You can do the same with babbitt, which makes it on topic. > > On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Well learnt sometin yesterday and thot I'd share. The USPS has flat > > rate > > boxes. 2 sizes, I think and the biggest is about twice the size of a > > shoebox. You pick them up free at the P.O. and stuff them full of > > lead if > > you like, but it's only a little over 7 rockets to ship it anywhere in > > the > > U.S. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 13:22:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 14:22:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] G.O.A.T Message-ID: Good Old Antique Transportation Howdy all; Anyone live around Craig Anderson in Wausau, Wi? He won't ship 2, 36" "Traveling Wheels" with removable short axles for my McD Grain Binder. http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2AC526EA Sure looks out of the beaten path to me. If I could get them to a nearby show this summer, I think I can get them headed west. Definetly make it worth your while! RickinMt. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Apr 16 14:31:58 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:31:58 +0200 Subject: [SEL] G.O.A.T References: Message-ID: <001b01c542cb$bbc94010$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Rick, it's a pitty I live not just around the corner, I have three sets in stock of those wheels. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/grainbinderwheels.jpg I used them as rear wheels for my 6 hp M horse trucks. John H. > > Anyone live around Craig Anderson in Wausau, Wi? He won't ship 2, 36" > "Traveling Wheels" with removable short axles for my McD Grain Binder. > RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 16 14:58:13 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:58:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] G.O.A.T References: <001b01c542cb$bbc94010$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Yes it is John. If I just have the arms, I could probably find IHC wheels. Any casting numbers on those babies? or the arms? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] G.O.A.T > Rick, it's a pitty I live not just around the corner, I have > three sets in stock of those wheels. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/grainbinderwheels.jpg > I used them as rear wheels for my 6 hp M horse trucks. > > John H. > > > > > > Anyone live around Craig Anderson in Wausau, Wi? He won't ship 2, 36" > > "Traveling Wheels" with removable short axles for my McD Grain Binder. > > RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 16 16:42:14 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:42:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: <000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com> <000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: > I already told him that, I did some searching in the parts book >and this type of pumps were only used in 1906-07 on the Port. >and Fam. outfits. Looking at the engine tag it has to be a R1xxx >serial # what means a 1906-07 Tank cooled engine not a Screen >cooled because these came first in 1907. >They had ( the 4 hp) a 8"x 1 5/16" drive pulley on the engine and >the same year the factory changed it in a 3"x 1 5/16" pulley. >The only water tank I could find for these early engine was a 30"x48" >tank of 114 gallons capt. >IMHO it's worth to buy it and own an early one Mike. John and Tommy, Thanks for all of the info! I apologize for a repeat question but I did not get any emails from you regarding the pump (that's why I emailed you a second time). Maybe they are lost in cyberspace somewhere :-)! So by your research, you think that this engine should be tank cooled and not screen cooled? Would it have had a pump at all if it was screen cooled? Again, thanks for the info. Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Apr 17 02:39:38 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:39:38 Subject: [SEL] Sandstone Cosmos & Steam weekend Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050417023938.009b2ac0@127.0.0.1> Hi List Greetings from South Africa. Last weekend the Sandstone Heritage Trust held a Steam & Cosmos weekend. It was great with plenty of steam train rides on their narrow guage railway. A few of us were also invited to display engines. It was not strictly speaking an engine show but there were about 20 engines on display. The most interesting was probably a 1914 Associated Mnfrs, Hired Man belonging to Sagrys Celliers. Fot those of you who helped me find artwork a few weeks ago for Massey Harris (John Hammink, Duncan Denman, Dave Croft and a few others) there is also a pic on the engine page of the end result. (I did reply earlier to say thanks but the list rejected my posting - I used the wrong email address not the one I was registered with so a belated thanks for the help). The pics are at http:// www.oldengine.org/members/evans (Link about halfway down the page) Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 16 17:45:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:45:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer EUREKA!! Message-ID: <1113698742.4261b1b61f61b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Craig Prucha has finished boring the cylinder on my Bessemer half-breed and the piston is off being flame-sprayed. When he was cleaning up the back flange of the cylinder he ran across a number of stampings. "F" in 2 areas and then an "OK" in another. AND a four digit number; 9537 that I'll wager is the S/N of the Bessemer cylinder!! The S/N of the Farrer & Trefts steam bed is stamped in the top edge of the flange where the cylinder mounts. That number is 6463. Have any of you Bessemer half-breed folks had your cylinder off? Do you have a S/N stamped on the flange face? If so, what range of S/Ns do we have? Does anyone have a clue as to when #9537 might have been built? Left to my own devices, I'll take the production data from some of their adverts and the original patent date and assume linear production. See ya, Arnie PS - What is the email or web address to order OFES T-shirts? Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Apr 16 18:12:08 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:12:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Bessemer EUREKA!! In-Reply-To: <1113698742.4261b1b61f61b@webmail.city-net.com> References: <1113698742.4261b1b61f61b@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050416211026.0270fe68@mail.alltel.net> >Have any of you Bessemer half-breed folks had your cylinder off? >See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, I'll thank you to remember that this is a family friendly List! Dave From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 16 20:24:35 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Bessemer EUREKA!! Half-Breed OT In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050417032435.92911.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not a half-breed,,,,, My paternal grandfather was though. I guess that makes me an eighth-breed. Alan Bowen --- Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >Have any of you Bessemer half-breed folks had your cylinder off? > >See ya, Arnie > > Hi Arnie, I'll thank you to remember that this is a family friendly List! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Apr 17 07:21:45 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:21:45 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072009.01a894e0@mail.pennswoods.net> You are right Tommy. they put the numbers to close together on this key board am always hitting wrong one. R Fink PA At 11:48 AM 4/16/2005, you wrote: >Richard, > I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY > > > >Richard Fink Sr wrote: > >>It dropped 10 cents here in central PA today 1.19.9/10 >>R Fink >> >> >> >> >> >>At 04:32 AM 4/15/2005, you wrote: >> >>>My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be going to >>>Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" so I thought I would >>>just ask the group for some feedback. I know a lot of us older folks are >>>on limited and fixed incomes and I am sure this will be a factor to >>>consider in making a decision to go or not to go. According to the news >>>it is going to be even higher by then. >>> >>>Paul >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Sun Apr 17 07:24:00 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 07:24:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was younger then. about 58 years ago. R Fink PA At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: >I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med students >that the other day and they looked at me like I was from another planet. > >On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >>Richard, >> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >>It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Sun Apr 17 05:01:25 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:01:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron as we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed at our house under construction, They must have been pros as 2 sheets of iron were unscrewed at the rear of the shed which was not in clear view. They had a good look around, opened but passed up on 3 old grease covered socket sets, tried to unsuccessfully jimmy open a locked empty tool cupboard. On the plus side there wasn't any damage. On the minus side a new and full roll of MIG wire was taken. The shed is stacked with all my engines and other gear which was apparently of no interest. Seems they were after a quick cash turnover looking for tools etc with no serial numbers and that it must be too heavy / hard to off load tonnes of cast iron at the pub or local Trash 'n' Treasure. To my very good fortune! Anyway, so it has been a weekend of bolting the iron sheets down and beefing up the locks. Here's hoping there are no return visits. So the lesson is - Be prepared, it will happen to you one day and probably when you least expect it! Regards, Mark Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. 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From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Apr 16 17:26:32 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:26:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Two Cuties on eBay Message-ID: <1113697592.4261ad38ee460@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Folks, Have a peek at these two cuties... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5968735673 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steam Engine, Revolving Cylinder, Six Pistons Item number: 5968735673 ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7507167456 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gas Engine, Thompson Engine Company, Hit and Miss Item number: 7507167456 ----------------------------------------------------------------- John Fankhauser built one of those six piston steam engines. Really made your head hurt to study it in motion. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 17 06:34:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:34:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: In a message dated 4/16/2005 3:38:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: << I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal >> Gas price wars in the early 60's around Pittsburgh, Pa., I pumped it for 17 cents. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 17 06:44:10 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:44:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sandstone Cosmos & Steam weekend Message-ID: <141.43d0c4d4.2f93c22a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/16/2005 9:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jerrye at databak.co.za writes: << Last weekend the Sandstone Heritage Trust held a Steam & Cosmos weekend. It was great with plenty of steam train rides on their narrow guage railway. >> Jerry, Thanks for posting the pictures of your show. It is an absolutely gorgeous place to have one and enjoyed seeing all the scenery! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 17 07:39:23 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:39:23 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine Message-ID: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> Yesterday, Millie and I went to a newly formed show near the North Carolina border about 1 1/2 hr from home and had a nice outing for the first time this year meeting many new folks and a number of old acquaintances. A fellow came up and got to talking about an engine he had and wanted to know if I would be interested in purchasing it. I kept thinking I had seen him somewhere and as it turned out he had been to our local show about 10 years ago with it. He pulled in with a motor home and the trailer with the engine and a motorcycle on it. He had gone thru a dip in the road too fast somewhere and had bent the trailer jack back. I got him a winch, and helped straighten it. He rode his motorcycle that evening and pulled out sometime in the night due to coming rain. Had not seen the engine or person since and no name to contact. The engine was a most unusual one and made by the Parkersburg Machine Co., Company, W.Va., Parmaco engines. As I remember it looked very much like a Hercules engine, only it had a sideshaft. Another fellow and I looked this engine over with curiosity and were going to talk to the owner the next morning and possibly purchase it. So, after 10 years it has surfaced again with the same owner who told me it was a yard ornament at this place. I have made arrangements to see it this week, and of course take pictures if I remember the camera. Would anyone have any information on the Parmaco engines? If memory serves me correctly this engine was gas, but the BRB indicates oil engines. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 17 10:06:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:06:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] When all else fails Message-ID: I found this extended tip for a gas axe. For removing a key wouldn't this work good after drilling all the way thru the key? Just one of my many BF's http://www.thermadyne.com/vec/literature/pdfs/094_65-2007.pdf Comments anyone? RickinMt. From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sun Apr 17 11:18:54 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Two Cuties on eBay References: <1113697592.4261ad38ee460@webmail.city-net.com> Message-ID: <002a01c54379$ea813fd0$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> I have a 3/8" socket attachment like the revolving cylinder engine. It's a neat little thing but doesn't work well. It's a heck of a novelty.It is a five cylinder unit. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: [SEL] Two Cuties on eBay > Hi Folks, > > Have a peek at these two cuties... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5968735673 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Steam Engine, Revolving Cylinder, Six Pistons > Item number: 5968735673 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7507167456 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Gas Engine, Thompson Engine Company, Hit and Miss > Item number: 7507167456 > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > John Fankhauser built one of those six piston steam engines. Really made > your > head hurt to study it in motion. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Apr 17 11:19:11 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] When all else fails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, That's a pretty useful looking tip! I think I need one! As to using it on a drilled gib key, personally I wouldn't do it. The cutting torch wouldn't bother the cast iron hub of the flywheel, but I think there would be a really high probability of flame-gouging the keyway in the crankshaft. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > I found this extended tip for a gas axe. For removing a key wouldn't this > work good after drilling all the way thru the key? > http://www.thermadyne.com/vec/literature/pdfs/094_65-2007.pdf From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Apr 17 11:41:38 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:41:38 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com><000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Mike, the screen cooled engines had a water pump too, They had alot pump changings, yours 1906-07, next the plunger pump 1907-08 replaced 1909-11, than the geared pump 1912-17. Than I found a screen cooled tank for the 4 hp 1912-17 of 13 gallons and some images call screen cooled engines tank cooled engines, so I think it's a little unclear at all. John H. > So by your research, you think that this engine > should be tank cooled and not screen cooled? Would it have had a > pump at all if it was screen cooled? Again, thanks for the info. > > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 17 12:04:01 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:04:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] When all else fails References: Message-ID: Let's forget that BF gang...It only runs close to 200 rockets. Unless of course Arnie buys one and we can borrow. Upward and onward RickiMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] When all else fails > Hi Rick, > > That's a pretty useful looking tip! I think I need one! > > As to using it on a drilled gib key, personally I wouldn't do it. > The cutting torch wouldn't bother the cast iron hub of the flywheel, but I > think there would be a really high probability of flame-gouging the keyway > in the crankshaft. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > I found this extended tip for a gas axe. For removing a key wouldn't > > this > > work good after drilling all the way thru the key? > > http://www.thermadyne.com/vec/literature/pdfs/094_65-2007.pdf > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Apr 17 12:37:37 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:37:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine References: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000f01c54384$eba17be0$2fae123f@oemcomputer> Tom, The Parkersburg Machine Co. sold several different engines made by various manufacturers. The Model T Thermoil look alike (made by Hercules) shown in the BYB is just one of them. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine > Yesterday, Millie and I went to a newly formed show near the North Carolina > border about 1 1/2 hr from home and had a nice outing for the first time this > year meeting many new folks and a number of old acquaintances. > > A fellow came up and got to talking about an engine he had and wanted to know > if I would be interested in purchasing it. I kept thinking I had seen him > somewhere and as it turned out he had been to our local show about 10 years ago > with it. He pulled in with a motor home and the trailer with the engine and a > motorcycle on it. He had gone thru a dip in the road too fast somewhere and > had bent the trailer jack back. I got him a winch, and helped straighten it. > He rode his motorcycle that evening and pulled out sometime in the night due > to coming rain. Had not seen the engine or person since and no name to > contact. > > The engine was a most unusual one and made by the Parkersburg Machine Co., > Company, W.Va., Parmaco engines. As I remember it looked very much like a > Hercules engine, only it had a sideshaft. Another fellow and I looked this engine > over with curiosity and were going to talk to the owner the next morning and > possibly purchase it. So, after 10 years it has surfaced again with the same > owner who told me it was a yard ornament at this place. I have made > arrangements to see it this week, and of course take pictures if I remember the camera. > > Would anyone have any information on the Parmaco engines? If memory serves me > correctly this engine was gas, but the BRB indicates oil engines. > > Thanks, > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bowtie71chevelle at yahoo.com Sun Apr 17 14:52:03 2005 From: bowtie71chevelle at yahoo.com (Bryan Boyce) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Colored and Tagged Message-ID: <20050417215203.36061.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys! I finished the little ZD i was working on....and I need a tag for it to be complete... Does anyone happen to know where i can find a tag for a 2hp ZD?? Also, I've started working on my 3 Mule Team again,,,this time ready for paint,,,does anyone know a paint color/number that matches the associated color?? Keep 'em runnin smooth. Bryan --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! From asouth at strato.net Sun Apr 17 15:29:10 2005 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:29:10 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL><6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com><011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> <6.1.2.0.0.20050416084340.02210e00@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <00ed01c5439c$e122f190$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> *Snip* ("Why the hell do you want to live to be 80?" Dave PS, I do think that Portland is probably one GOOD reason to want to live to be 80, but if you need another one I think that Bambi and Nitro will be there with Arnie and me this year. Let me know if you want to be introduced to them! PPS, The dinner count is now up to 37! ) Is that the way you did it? lol. Dave, I never said I want to live to be 80! If I were introduced to Nitro and Bambi, and my wife found out, I wouldn't live to be 64! haha. Art PS, the dinner number will climb higher just about the dead line. Y'all have a good week and don't pick on me this week, as I won't be around to read what you say. hahaha I have thick skin, go ahead. C'ya, Art Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://oldengine.org/members/southwell http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 17 15:46:40 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:46:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Howard Australia Message-ID: <009801c5439f$53360f40$fa4c1152@no1> Passed on from the UK list I have just aquired a Howard Terier Cultivator with no details. Wondering if any 1 may have manual , pics on it. It was manufactured in Australia and has the Howard L motor 4.5 HP I believe gkjones at slingshot.co.nz (Gordon) Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 16:31:26 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:31:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Show Message-ID: <6f60251605041716313b6d6ea4@mail.gmail.com> Got back to San Jose a while earlier, but had a good couple of visits to the Tulare show, met up with Rob & Kelley, Ron, Merle, George, Larry & Ken and others. Weather was great, very hot on the Saturday and looking to be that way on Sunday as well. Got about 180 shots of various items of old iron in the can, will spend a day or so editing them and getting set up on the web pages. We are scheduled for the Sacremento Rail Museum tomorrow, and the Pampanito submarine in SFO if we get time on Tuesday. Fly home Wednesday, but it has been a great trip so far. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 17 18:29:05 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:29:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <200504180129.j3I1T6kZ096750@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be > going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" I've been hearing a lot of sniveling about gas prices. Boo f'ing hoo. When I was a lad, buying my first car in 1979, it was when prices where just pushing over the one dollar mark. One gallon of gasoline at $1.05 in 1979 dollars, when adjusted for inflation to 2005 dollars, comes to $2.80. The average cost of gasoline nationwide has not yet reached that mark. GASOLINE IS CHEAPER TODAY THAN IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO. Now whose income has matched inflation for the past 25 years? If you retired in 1979 with a fixed income, you are allowed to snivel (but not much because you planned poorly). If you're a working stiff, your experiences and skills should increase, earning you higher wages, even when adjusted for inflation. So for you as an individual, the price of gasoline should be DRAMATICALLY cheaper than it was in 1979. What other commodity can you think of that has gone down in price? Houses? Beer? Cars? Don't your cars get better milage than they did in 1979? Considering the lower price when adjusted for inflation, you're increased wages, and better mileage mean you're paying less for gasoline now than ever before. So tell me again what everyone is whimpering about. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 17 18:34:33 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:34:33 -0400 Subject: OT Re: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <00ed01c5439c$e122f190$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6f602516050415070150fda69d@mail.gmail.com> <011601c5422e$d79d8280$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> <6.1.2.0.0.20050416084340.02210e00@mail.alltel.net> <00ed01c5439c$e122f190$ab00a8c0@ARTHUR> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050417213234.0d653780@mail.alltel.net> >Dave, I never said I want to live to be 80! If I were introduced to Nitro >and Bambi, and my wife found out, I wouldn't live to be 64! haha. >Art Hi Art, Bambi and Nitro are VERY discrete--your wife will NEVER suspect anything! Dave PS, If you want the two of them together you may never see 63 1/2! From guitronics at comcast.net Sun Apr 17 19:08:32 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:08:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net> <6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> Message-ID: <426316A0.7060802@comcast.net> In 1972,I worked for an Independent Gas station (Kayo),in Flint,Michigan.This station was located on an intersection,not close to a Freeway.(3 miles away). I don't recall what the "Normal" price for a gallon of gas was,maybe$0.359 or so....Kayo was a high-volume station.All we did was sell gas and oil,etc.,no work on cars. Across the street was a Shell station which charged 1 or 2 cents more/gallon.They did a lot of mechanical work. Another station (Texaco) on the 3rd corner charged 5 cents more per gallon....they really didn't want to sell gas,but did lots of mechanical work. All gas stations at that time were full-service,and the "Islands"(remember those?) were about 40' apart.We had 3 islands with 2 pumps per.We got our gas delivered by different name-brand stations...Shell,Texaco,Citgo,whatever....always late at night (we were a 24-hour station).The other Stations were open only in the Daytime. In the winter of '72/'73,Our district manager kept calling the station to tell us to lower the price,1 cent at a time,every few hours; over 2 or 3 days.He visited the station on the 3rd day, and I asked him why the price kept going down. He replied that there was a glut of gas,and they were trying to get rid of it.Customers were lined up by the 2nd day,and people were ripping the workers off, by pumping their own gas and paying us less than was pumped,the next customer would reset the pump, and pump his gas before we could check the amount pumped. The adjacent stations were lowering their prices, in response to our lowering, but keeping the same "cents per gallon"spread. There was only one person working per shift,and just before I quit working there, (cost me money through shortages) we were down to $0.169/gallon.A few months later,the "Gas Crisis" hit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Richard Fink Sr wrote: > John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was > younger then. about 58 years ago. > R Fink > PA > > > > At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: > >> I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med >> students that the other day and they looked at me like I was from >> another planet. >> >> On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: >> >>> Richard, >>> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >>> It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. >> >> >> >> John Culp >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From glenn.karch at gte.net Sun Apr 17 19:11:53 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:11:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <200504180129.j3I1T6kZ096750@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001201c543bb$ff2223e0$76b4123f@oemcomputer> Here is another interesting gasoline observation. About 2 months ago I drove 400 miles to a gas engine auction. I left early the day before and took a leisurely trip with the cruise control on my Chevy 2500HD gasoline powered pick up set on 62 MPH. I was on interstates almost the whole way. I averaged 18.6 MPG. On the return trip(still with no load) I set the cruise on 70 and averaged 15 MPG. Using gas prices of the time, it cost me $42 for gas going and $52 for gas coming home. That's a 20 percent difference in fuel costs. 20 percent off of $2.10 gas equates to $1.60. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices > > My wife just ask me "I wonder how many people will not be > > going to Portland this year because of the high gas prices?" > > I've been hearing a lot of sniveling about gas prices. Boo f'ing hoo. > > When I was a lad, buying my first car in 1979, it was when prices where just > pushing over the one dollar mark. One gallon of gasoline at $1.05 in 1979 > dollars, when adjusted for inflation to 2005 dollars, comes to $2.80. The > average cost of gasoline nationwide has not yet reached that mark. > > GASOLINE IS CHEAPER TODAY THAN IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO. > > Now whose income has matched inflation for the past 25 years? If you retired in > 1979 with a fixed income, you are allowed to snivel (but not much because you > planned poorly). > > If you're a working stiff, your experiences and skills should increase, earning > you higher wages, even when adjusted for inflation. So for you as an > individual, the price of gasoline should be DRAMATICALLY cheaper than it was in > 1979. > > What other commodity can you think of that has gone down in price? Houses? > Beer? Cars? Don't your cars get better milage than they did in 1979? > > Considering the lower price when adjusted for inflation, you're increased wages, > and better mileage mean you're paying less for gasoline now than ever before. > > So tell me again what everyone is whimpering about. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 17 19:54:29 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:54:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine In-Reply-To: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> References: <1a7.35f4f214.2f93cf1b@aol.com> Message-ID: <42632165.4030808@scrtc.com> Tom, I've seen 4 of the engines like you mention. One was at Portland several years ago, another was at Kurt Baxters. The last complete one was at an auction (possibly the Archer auction in Des Moines, IA about 4 years ago). Your're right, from a distance they have the Herc look. Squared hopper, etc. The sideshaft ones that I have seen have had what looks like a steam engine governor on the front of the sideshaft. There was also an incomplete Parmaco at the Red Buchanon auction in IA about 2 1/2 years ago. It was missing several parts and the flywheels were cracked. I have seen a book on them but don't remember who had it, maybe Chester Bills. If I remember I'll send you the info. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY >Would anyone have any information on the Parmaco engines? If memory serves me >correctly this engine was gas, but the BRB indicates oil engines. > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From mogul460 at localnet.com Sun Apr 17 20:56:40 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:56:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices References: <002f01c541ae$c7ef2260$230110ac@PAUL> <6.1.0.6.0.20050416134240.01a78eb0@mail.pennswoods.net> <42615E14.6030900@scrtc.com> <81390f0b5a8b8e463637635ae388d77f@chartertn.net><6.1.0.6.0.20050417072213.01a89150@mail.pennswoods.net> <426316A0.7060802@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002401c543ca$a19553a0$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Approximately 1934 our neighbor, who had a small machine shop,put in a gas tank with the hand pump. He was selling gas for 8 cents a gallon.Probably there weren't over 10 automobile or trucks in a 10 mile radius so I don't think he sold much gas. He had a 1933 Buick (with wooden pokes) which from start of winter to end of mud season he put on jacks.. One cold winter day he remarked in the near future you will be able to drive a car from Maine to California in the winter time in just your shirt,without a jacket. In the early sixties when I was employed at U.S.Steel they had there own fuel farm for there executive turbo prop airplanes. They were paying 15 cents per gallon. Cost of doing business has sure gone up through the years. Charlie Bryant > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Richard Fink Sr wrote: > > > John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was > > younger then. about 58 years ago. > > R Fink > > PA > > > > > > > > At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: > > > >> I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med > >> students that the other day and they looked at me like I was from > >> another planet. > >> > >> On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >> > >>> Richard, > >>> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 > >>> It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > >> > >> > >> > >> John Culp > >> Bristol, Tennessee, USA > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/05 > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Apr 17 20:16:36 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:16:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted Message-ID: <42632694.1000401@earthlink.net> Hi all, I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. http://frapa.us/P401.html Jeff Allen From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 17 20:49:55 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:49:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <42632694.1000401@earthlink.net> References: <42632694.1000401@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <42632E63.9080402@scrtc.com> Jeff, That would be great info to have availble on the computer. Go for it! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and > will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and > quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be > over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of > contents. Take a look here at one page. > > http://frapa.us/P401.html > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Sun Apr 17 21:11:42 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:11:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine Message-ID: <90.5bf8cfa6.2f948d7e@aol.com> Hi Tommy, I'm pretty sure there is ( or was ) a complete Parmaco at Coolspring. I've seen it a couple of times, and I'm guessing it might be part of their collection. Dwight From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Apr 17 21:16:14 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:16:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mags on Ebay Message-ID: <4263348E.4070602@scrtc.com> If anyone needs a Wico EK, there are several mags and parts on ebay. Just go to ebay and type in Wico EK and it will bring up 15 to 20 listings. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 17 22:09:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:09:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <42632E63.9080402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big > project and will take many months. I think I have a good > balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before >I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks >from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. Hi Jeff, That would be a fabulous resource, especially if it was in a list format where one could do a ctrl-f search for the individual(s) to which the patent was issued, the related company, the date, and the title of the patent. Hiscox's listings are incomplete. Many of us do manual patent searches, beating our heads on the keyboard for hours looking for a specific patent. Often the search reveals unrelated engine patents. Perhaps when we run across these patents, we could send them to you for addition to your list. As you mentioned, it would be a monumental task. Take a look at a patent page I put together for Rumely stuff and patents issued to the major players in that company. It's a small list, and the labor to compile that little bit was extensive. http://rumely.rustyiron.com/patents.html Please keep us informed of your intentions on this project. Rob From segray at mlode.com Sun Apr 17 22:46:59 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:46:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wire in Main Bearing Caps and bent rod (semi OT) In-Reply-To: References: <425E8721.7020507@mlode.com> Message-ID: <426349D3.2090509@mlode.com> I'm late here too, Rick; just got back and settled from the Tulare show this weekend. From memory, the mesh was for added general strength which tended to cover both bases, that of staking and over all strength. Using HS nickel babbit, his bearings were fairly thin compared to the average amount of babbit used in our toys. He would also peen the unmachined pours to increase the density of the babbit before setting up his line boring equipment. These were T blocks with B and C cranks laid in 'em. He would heat and hydraulically compress the rear main on the cranks to shorten them to fit the smaller T rear main. Quite a process to watch! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Richard Strobel wrote: >Day or two later, but good morning to you also, Steve :-). I'm assuming >your Dad did the brass mesh to stake the babbitt in place or was it used to >keep the insert together in case of breakage? > > There's a guy around here that takes his ole truck (with babbitt) to >Sturgis. Has his tools and onboard babbitt making kit in the back. Says he >has to stop once or twice during the trip and work on his bearings. Now >that's high tolerance! > > On another note gang..here's the rod: > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/322492383bUmDwf > >With some heat like Curt suggested, it shouldn't be brain surgery to >straighten, and check with a dial indicator. > >Crank gear might also need replaced as some teeth are bent considerably >(understandable after what they went thru). > >Well later gang, the snow is gone and looks like it might be a nice day. > >RickinMt. > > > > > > > > From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Sun Apr 17 05:26:24 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:26:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <000601c54348$ac9688a0$7fc8eddc@professi0cqjbx> Mark, Luck was on your side that you did not catch the mongrels. If you had and given the bastards a good hiding that they deserved, you would have been charged with assault. Ron Glassby 7 Nullagine Way Gosnells 6110 Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kennedy" To: "sel-lists.stationary-engine.com" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions > I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron as > we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed at > our house under construction, > > They must have been pros as 2 sheets of iron were unscrewed at the rear of > the shed which was not in clear view. They had a good look around, opened > but passed up on 3 old grease covered socket sets, tried to unsuccessfully > jimmy open a locked empty tool cupboard. On the plus side there wasn't any > damage. On the minus side a new and full roll of MIG wire was taken. > > The shed is stacked with all my engines and other gear which was apparently > of no interest. Seems they were after a quick cash turnover looking for > tools etc with no serial numbers and that it must be too heavy / hard to > off load tonnes of cast iron at the pub or local Trash 'n' Treasure. To my > very good fortune! > > Anyway, so it has been a weekend of bolting the iron sheets down and > beefing up the locks. Here's hoping there are no return visits. > > So the lesson is - Be prepared, it will happen to you one day and probably > when you least expect it! > > Regards, > > Mark > > > > Mark Kennedy > Ballarat, Victoria, Australia > > Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy > > 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' > > *********************************************************** > Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in > error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using > attachments check them for viruses and defects. 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Any > representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mtucker at uky.edu Mon Apr 18 03:18:10 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:18:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question In-Reply-To: <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn>< p06210207be869ec7f5ba@[139.55.5.47]> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com><000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: >Mike, the screen cooled engines had a water pump too, John, I messed up in my last email. What I meant to ask was would the engine with the 114 gallon TANK still have had a water pump or would it have been thermal siphon cooling? Thanks for all of the great info, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From nancydick at pennswoods.net Mon Apr 18 06:46:09 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:46:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland - Gas Prices Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050418064432.01a7f9c0@mail.pennswoods.net> John the first i pumped was at 17 cents a gallon. But i think i was younger then. about xx58 years ago.THAT SHOULD READ 48. CAN'T COUNT AFTER LOSING ONE FINGER HE HE R Fink PA At 12:14 PM 4/16/2005, you wrote: >I still remember pumping lots of it at 24.9?/gal. Told some med students >that the other day and they looked at me like I was from another planet. > >On Apr 16, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > >>Richard, >> I'll take a million gallons at that price. I think you mean 2.19 >>It wasn't long ago that 1.19 would be correct. > > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Apr 18 04:44:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <42632E63.9080402@scrtc.com> <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <2021.165.206.180.144.1113824649.squirrel@antique-engines.com> WOW, Rob - to do that he'll have to skip the image format and OCR every page and then error check then create an ASP or PHP script to do the search. Each page would have to be text - or the text within the image be in a database. There IS software to do this for him, but I doubt he wants to spend the $300+ to get it. (There is software that will scan images and index the text within.....) Bill >> I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big >> project and will take many months. I think I have a good >> balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before >>I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks >>from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. > > Hi Jeff, > That would be a fabulous resource, especially if it was in a list format > where > one could do a ctrl-f search for the individual(s) to which the patent was > issued, the related company, the date, and the title of the patent. > > Hiscox's listings are incomplete. Many of us do manual patent searches, > beating > our heads on the keyboard for hours looking for a specific patent. Often > the > search reveals unrelated engine patents. Perhaps when we run across these > patents, we could send them to you for addition to your list. > > As you mentioned, it would be a monumental task. > > Take a look at a patent page I put together for Rumely stuff and patents > issued > to the major players in that company. It's a small list, and the labor to > compile that little bit was extensive. > http://rumely.rustyiron.com/patents.html > > Please keep us informed of your intentions on this project. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 18 05:16:12 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:16:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] Parmaco engine Message-ID: <80.25dcb1b3.2f94ff0c@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/2005 11:30:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << There was also an incomplete Parmaco at the Red Buchanon auction in IA about 2 1/2 years ago. >> Tommy, Glenn, Dwight, Thanks for the information on the Parmaco engines. I am going to try to make arrangements to go and look at the engine today and take a few pictures and see what is what! From what I am hearing, it must be a fairly rare engine. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 18 05:34:08 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:34:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Another Famous/Osborn question References: <005901c53ba8$2da3a110$3775833e@harryp1811><"000701c53bb5$dd17c8d0 $ 0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn><00dd01c53c74$f97f0050$3775833e@harryp1811><"001801c53c 9 4$971e9f40$0ff97fd4"@Sixmjohn> <425ACDF0.5010202@imc-group.com><003c01c53ee1$0de91530$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <42611E8A.8010607@scrtc.com><000501c5429b$cd659d80$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> <001101c5437d$1aab63e0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000f01c54412$ee33cf00$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> The engines with the big water tanks had thermal siphon cooling. The early 4 hp which came first in 1906 had it maybe to, but then in the following months they were fitted with that early G5041 centrifugal water pump you have at that picture, and by 1908 it was normal to have a screen cooled 13 gallon tank with a plunger pump to 1911 and till 1917 with the geared water pump of course everytime starting with a new engine of that year. John H. > > I messed up in my last email. What I meant to ask was would the > engine with the 114 gallon TANK still have had a water pump or would > it have been thermal siphon cooling? > > Thanks for all of the great info, > Mike > -- > ____________________ > Michael Tucker > Midway, Kentucky, USA > mtucker at uky.edu From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 18 08:13:30 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:13:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Wico Mags on Ebay Message-ID: <87.25ce6d47.2f95289a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/18/2005 12:39:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lcjudge at scrtc.com writes: << If anyone needs a Wico EK, there are several mags and parts on ebay >> Tommy, Looks like "Wisteria42" must have found a garage full of Wico stuff! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 18 08:44:43 2005 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:44:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Opinions wanted/patent list In-Reply-To: <200504180509.j3I59UAu053019@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Lot's of good info there! I too, started a patent list, while tracking down certain patents on items we had, I decided to create a list so that I didn't always start willy-nilly. It's not a very big list right now, but if others do a patent search and want to add to it, it would be a benefit to all. Unfortunately, I did not include the individuals who applied for the patent. Just the patent #, the date, and the description of the item. Here's what I have so far http://homepage.mac.com/kelleygarcia/Engines/FileSharing16.html Many of them are not engine related, but make interesting reading. Again, I started the list to narrow where to begin for future searches at the US Patent web page http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html If it's any help to anybody, have at it! -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 4/17/05 10:09 PM, "Rob Skinner" wrote: >> I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big >> project and will take many months. I think I have a good >> balance of speed and quality here. Let me know before >> I get into it for real. This will be over 400 pages with hyperlinks >> from the index and the table of contents. Take a look here at one page. > > Hi Jeff, > That would be a fabulous resource, especially if it was in a list format where > one could do a ctrl-f search for the individual(s) to which the patent was > issued, the related company, the date, and the title of the patent. > > Hiscox's listings are incomplete. Many of us do manual patent searches, > beating > our heads on the keyboard for hours looking for a specific patent. Often the > search reveals unrelated engine patents. Perhaps when we run across these > patents, we could send them to you for addition to your list. > > As you mentioned, it would be a monumental task. > > Take a look at a patent page I put together for Rumely stuff and patents > issued > to the major players in that company. It's a small list, and the labor to > compile that little bit was extensive. > http://rumely.rustyiron.com/patents.html > > Please keep us informed of your intentions on this project. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 09:00:24 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:00:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure Message-ID: Hi Everybody, Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From christison at coastalnet.com Mon Apr 18 09:25:11 2005 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:25:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Opinions wanted Message-ID: <410-220054118162511578@coastalnet.com> Jeff, You could make things easier by allowing others on the lists to take perhaps 10 pages and transcribe them. I don't know how many people would be willing, but I certainly would. Some of us on genealogy lists have done that with census reports and it works pretty well. Just a thought. Ken > Subject: Opinions wanted > > Hi all, > > I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and > will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and > quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be > over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of contents. > > Take a look here at one page. > > http://frapa.us/P401.html > > Jeff Allen > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From solarrog at pacbell.net Mon Apr 18 09:38:25 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:38:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <011b01c54435$0c46d010$dc697343@D6R3D961> I didnt read where you applied the proper flux??? did you?? I do not heat the metal read hot. I start heating and then touch the rod to the metal, if it doesnt flow I continue to heat and keep trying till it does. It will never work without the flux. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced > on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. > It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and > whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy > so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my > oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched > the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit > melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow > out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long > enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it > would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it > hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in > a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, > just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it > would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I > messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I > did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be > distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the > main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So > that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 09:44:13 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder onto the job. I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range before you try and solder with it. Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a really easy process. HTH Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 18 10:31:32 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:31:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <001801c5443c$77888790$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced on > a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It > melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and whacked on > it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy so I tried > it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my oxy/acetylene > torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched the silver > solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated > it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. > It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got > it red hot and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt > the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then quick > started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would > cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the other solder out of > the way and have to do it over again. I messed around for about 4 hours and > didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy guy! After almost throwing the whole > damn model in the scrap bin from being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut > out for model making. After sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and > welded the crankshaft. I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. > Not sure if it will be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. > I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and > didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > Luke Tonneberger Hi Luke, Silver soldering is something I learned a good number of years ago but I still remember a fair amount. One thing I have just found while Googling for a good site for you is how much bullshit is on the web on the subject. See http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/t-solder.htm for a basic guide! You need the joint you are soldering to be clean & fairly tight. I use a powder flux which has to be melted on the joint with a very hot gas flame until it turns into a thin liquid. When the temperature is high enough apply the silver solder stick and allow it to flow into the joint. The entire joint area needs to be very hot & as you move around the joint you need to keep the very hot area moving so that the solder stick keeps liquidising. I advise practising on a few trial pieces before ruining a job. It is a skill well worth learning. Best of luck! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 12:40:24 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:40:24 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <011b01c54435$0c46d010$dc697343@D6R3D961> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Yep, I used flux. It's there in sentence #8. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================== >From: "Roger DiRuscio" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:38:25 -0700 > >I didnt read where you applied the proper flux??? >did you?? >I do not heat the metal read hot. I start heating and then touch the rod to >the metal, if it doesnt flow I continue to heat and keep trying till it >does. It will never work without the flux. > >Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts >Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc >Collector of antique engines >Fremont,Ca >----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" > >To: >Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:00 AM >Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > >>Hi Everybody, >> >>Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >>success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced >>on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. >>It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and >>whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy >>so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my >>oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched >>the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit >>melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow >>out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long >>enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it >>would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it >>hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in >>a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, >>just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it >>would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I >>messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy >>guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from >>being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After >>sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I >>did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be >>distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the >>main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So >>that's my silver soldering failure story. >> >>Luke Tonneberger >>Rockford, Michigan >>USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 12:47:48 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:47:48 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <001801c5443c$77888790$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Hi Dave, When I was searching for info on how to silver solder I came across that site. The job (crankshaft parts) was pretty much ruined. After attempting to solder it a few times I took everything apart, cleaned everything up again really good, and tried soldering it again. Still couldn't get it. It looked like hell. That's why I was so mad. Took a nice looking crankshaft and totally wrecked it. The next day is when I decided I have nothing to lose at this point and just welded it. Welding I can do, but silver solder is not on my list of skills :-) Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: "Dave Croft" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:31:32 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Luke Tonneberger" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:00 PM >Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I >practiced on > > a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It > > melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and >whacked on > > it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy so I >tried > > it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my oxy/acetylene > > torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I >heated > > it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow out my other >solder. > > It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I >got > > it red hot and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not >melt > > the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't >work > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then quick > > started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and it >would > > cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the other solder >out of > > the way and have to do it over again. I messed around for about 4 hours >and > > didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy guy! After almost throwing the >whole > > damn model in the scrap bin from being so frustrated, I figured I'm not >cut > > out for model making. After sleeping on it for a day I took the welder >and > > welded the crankshaft. I did a little at a time so it didn't get too >hot. > > Not sure if it will be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that >point. > > I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over >and > > didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > >Hi Luke, Silver soldering is something I learned a good number of years ago >but I still remember a fair amount. >One thing I have just found while Googling for a good site for you is how >much >bullshit is on the web on the subject. >See http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/t-solder.htm for a basic guide! >You need the joint you are soldering to be clean & fairly tight. >I use a powder flux which has to be melted on the joint with a very hot gas >flame >until it turns into a thin liquid. >When the temperature is high enough apply the silver solder stick and allow >it to flow into the joint. >The entire joint area needs to be very hot & as you move around the joint >you need to keep the very >hot area moving so that the solder stick keeps liquidising. >I advise practising on a few trial pieces before ruining a job. >It is a skill well worth learning. >Best of luck! >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Apr 18 12:57:30 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:57:30 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so they wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was hot enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It didn't start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the solder to melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter and hotter, until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness to it and the solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple seconds, then it quit melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything I could, but no luck. I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it up. Just wasn't meant to be. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ============= >From: Listerdiesel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 > >On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. > > > > >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong >way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do >it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think >that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, >and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder >onto the job. > >I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish >flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you >get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the >solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with >the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. > >I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating >the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range >before you try and solder with it. > >Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a >really easy process. > >HTH > >Peter >-- >Peter A Forbes >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From bhaynes at prexar.com Mon Apr 18 13:39:33 2005 From: bhaynes at prexar.com (Blaine Haynes) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:39:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Robb-Armstrong steam engine info Message-ID: <000801c54456$edf8a9e0$d377fea9@u8c4h2> Blaine Haynes, Haynes Mower Shop 62 Beech Hill Crossroad, Mt. Desert, ME 04660 Phone 207 244-0204, Fax 207 244-7529 I am searching for any information concerning a Robb-Armstrong horizontal steam engine. The flywheel is 8 foot in diameter. Would appreciate any information about this make engine. Thank you. From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Apr 18 13:55:19 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:55:19 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050418135035.00c369f8@mail.earthlink.net> Did you use a flux? It is pretty easy to get metal too hot for silver soldering in my limited experience. Once that happens, I found it best to let things cool off, clean the surface with an abrasive and start over. On a clean, fluxed surface I heat until the solder starts to melt and it will wick into the space between the parts immediately. If heating is continued after the space is filled, the bonding can be destroyed. It will be interesting to hear from some of our more expert contributors. Bob Holtzer At 04:00 PM 4/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced >on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. >It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and >whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy >so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my >oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched >the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit >melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow >out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long >enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it >would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it >hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in >a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, >just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it >would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I >messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy >guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from >being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After >sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I >did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be >distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the >main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So >that's my silver soldering failure story. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Mon Apr 18 14:02:39 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:02:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050418135907.00c56898@mail.earthlink.net> I missed the flux! Another thing comes to mind is the type silver solder used. For models and lighter joinings, I prefer low melting. I don't know the specs, however. I have some silver solder that it very high temp melting -- it has been relatively useless for home hobby work. Bob Holtzer At 07:57 PM 4/18/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Peter, > >I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool >and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the >surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be >soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so >they wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was >hot enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It >didn't start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the >solder to melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter >and hotter, until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness >to it and the solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple >seconds, then it quit melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything >I could, but no luck. >I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it up. Just wasn't meant >to be. > >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA >============= > >>From: Listerdiesel >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >>Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 >> >>On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> > Hi Everybody, >> > >> > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >> > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. >> >> >> >> >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong >>way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do >>it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think >>that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, >>and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder >>onto the job. >> >>I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish >>flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you >>get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the >>solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with >>the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. >> >>I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating >>the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range >>before you try and solder with it. >> >>Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a >>really easy process. >> >>HTH >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 14:12:53 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:12:53 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <01b501c5445c$f029abf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I reckon you had the wrong solder! When I make a shaft, it would be hard to see it the dullest of red. Too hot and slag/oxide forms and you are stuffed. If you have the right flux and rod, it goes through the joint as soon as the temp rises to the needed amount. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Peter, > > I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool > and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the > surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be > soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so > they wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was > hot enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It > didn't start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the > solder to melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter > and hotter, until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness > to it and the solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple > seconds, then it quit melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything > I could, but no luck. I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it > up. Just wasn't meant to be. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============= > >>From: Listerdiesel >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >>Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 >> >>On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >> > Hi Everybody, >> > >> > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >> > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. >> >> >> >> >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong >>way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do >>it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think >>that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, >>and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder >>onto the job. >> >>I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish >>flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you >>get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the >>solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with >>the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. >> >>I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating >>the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range >>before you try and solder with it. >> >>Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a >>really easy process. >> >>HTH >> >>Peter >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 18 14:39:40 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:39:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050418213940.67981.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Luke Silver soldering is an acquired art. Cleanliness is paramount. Make sure the joint is well fluxed. If you are worried about the solder running outside the joint area, coat the limit of solder run with Tippex. The solder will not stick to the Tippex. There needs to be a gap of a couple of thou for the solder to penetrate the joint. Another tip - use a triangular file to make a few channels for the solder to run through the joint if it is a bit tight. Do not use direct heat on the solder. Use the heat (whether it is oxy/acetylene or propane) to generally heat the area to be soldered. It needs to be heated quickly. The flux will turn to a liquid and assuming the heated area is a dull red by then, apply the solder. If you wait too long, the flux breqaks down and becomes ineffective. It should be the heat of the metal that melts the solder, not the flame. The solder will flash round / through the joint. If you see a ring of solder on the other side of the joint, you've got a good 'un. It might be easier to practise on a copper joint before trying steel. Until you are sure of the technique on your scrap /test joints, do not attempt the real job. Another thing: Once the solder has set, it takes a higher temperature to remelt it than the original melting temperature. Best of luck with your next try. Hope this helps. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. > I practiced on a piece of steel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 18 14:51:35 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:51:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Fwd: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure Message-ID: <20050418215135.69532.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Luke Silver soldering is an acquired art. Cleanliness is paramount. Make sure the joint is well fluxed. If you are worried about the solder running outside the joint area, coat the limit of solder area with Tippex. The solder will not stick to the Tippex. There needs to be a gap of a couple of thou for the solder to penetrate the joint. Another tip - use a triangular file to make a few channels for the solder to run through the joint if it is a bit tight. Do not use direct heat on the solder. Use the heat (whether it is oxy/acetylene or propane) to generally heat the area to be soldered. It needs to be heated quickly. The flux will turn to a liquid and assuming the heated area is a dull red by then, apply the solder. If you wait too long, the flux breqaks down and becomes ineffective. It should be the heat of the metal that melts the solder, not the flame. The solder will flash round / through the joint. If you see a ring of solder on the other side of the joint, you've got a good 'un. Having said the above, there are different grades of silver solder. Generally, the higher the silver content, the lower the melting point. Johnson Matthey Easy Flo 2 has a melting point of about 618 deg. Silver flo has a higher melting point 675 deg, I believe. Other manufacturers will have equivalents. Beware, many silver solders have cadmium and phosphorus in their make up. You must have sufficient ventilation to avoid possible health hazards. It might be easier to practise on a copper joint before trying steel. Until you are sure of the technique on your scrap /test joints, do not attempt the real job. Another thing: Once the solder has set, it takes a higher temperature to remelt it than the original melting temperature. Best of luck with your next try. Hope this helps. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. > I practiced on a piece of steel. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From falcon at telenet.net Mon Apr 18 15:08:44 2005 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:08:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <00b201c54463$30e82b20$561117d1@net.telenet.net> Luke, Use the Force.... Anyway, Did I understand you correctly when you stated you were heating the part, then moving the heat away and letting the solder melt? If so that could be the problem. You need to keep the part at solder melting temp until your finished. Also you should be applying the solder out of the flame area, It is basically the same as soft soldering just with higher temps. You need the solder to wick into the joint and make a nice fillet in angled areas. Also what was the steel wool? New fresh out of the pack? That usually has a light oil on it to keep it from rusting. That could have caused a problem. I usually clean the part, go over it with a scotch brite Then wipe it off with lacquer thinner. Then apply the flux. Only time I had a problem was with some cast iron parts that were oil soaked. Had to heat them up good to get the oil out before anything could be done. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Peter, > > I first cleaned the parts really well. It was new steel. I used steel wool > and rubbed the parts down really well. I then applied flux to all of the > surfaces to be joined. I was careful not to touch any of the areas to be > soldered with my hands. I assembled the parts and clamped them down so they > wouldn't move. I then started to apply heat. When I thought it was hot > enough (not red hot) I applied the solder for maybe 5 seconds. It didn't > start to melt, so I applied more heat. Kept trying to get the solder to > melt, but it wouldn't. That's when I started to get it hotter and hotter, > until it started to melt. It was just about getting a redness to it and the > solder finally started to melt. But only for a couple seconds, then it quit > melting as the steel cooled off. I tried everything I could, but no luck. > I'm sure if I watched someone do it I could pick it up. Just wasn't meant to > be. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ============= > > >From: Listerdiesel > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:44:13 +0100 > > > >On 4/18/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. > > > > > > > > >From previous experience I think you are trying to do this the wrong > >way, which is causing your failures. Without actually watching you do > >it it is difficult translating your problem into a remedy, but I think > >that you firstly may be getting the job too hot, you are not brazing, > >and secondly you may need to revise how you get the flux and solder > >onto the job. > > > >I don't get the metal that hot in the first place, and use a smallish > >flame that is kept on the move. The flux should be in place before you > >get the solder out, and the solder should run into the joint. If the > >solder is blobbing into balls then it is not getting any contact with > >the joint and it is almost certainly too hot. > > > >I'd suggest you try cooling the whole process down, maybe try heating > >the silver solder separately to get a feel for the melting range > >before you try and solder with it. > > > >Like soft soldering, when all the parameters are correct, it is a > >really easy process. > > > >HTH > > > >Peter > >-- > >Peter A Forbes > >Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > >Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Mon Apr 18 15:31:51 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:31:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <01b501c5445c$f029abf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <00da01c54466$6be80d50$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> One other detail about silver soldering. Never solder anything into a blind hole without drilling a weep hole across or out the bottom. If not done the flux will boil, build up pressure and shoot the part out of the hole. Make sure there is no trap for a pressure buildup. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 18 15:41:35 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:41:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <001601c54467$c7b31610$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Dave, > When I was searching for info on how to silver solder I came across that > site. The job (crankshaft parts) was pretty much ruined. After attempting > to solder it a few times I took everything apart, cleaned everything up > again really good, and tried soldering it again. Still couldn't get it. It > looked like hell. That's why I was so mad. Took a nice looking crankshaft > and totally wrecked it. The next day is when I decided I have nothing to > lose at this point and just welded it. Welding I can do, but silver solder > is not on my list of skills :-) > Luke Tonneberger Luke, Don't be put off! Find the correct Silver solder & flux & try again using test jobs. No one has knocked you for it, as most of us had problems in the begining but it is such a useful skill that it is worth getting the expertise. Good luck on the next try! Regards, Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 18 16:20:35 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:20:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] RE: Opinions wanted and brain fart!! In-Reply-To: <410-220054118162511578@coastalnet.com> References: <410-220054118162511578@coastalnet.com> Message-ID: <426440C3.6080501@earthlink.net> Hi all, This looked like a good spot to jump in. First thanks to all for the opinions, and offers of help. I was not too clear on what I am planning, so here it is. I have a 1906 book entitled Gas, Gasoline, and Oil-Engines including Producer-Gas Plants. The sample page was from one chapter that lists patents. The entire book is not about patents. It pretty much covers old engines completely for the time period. Mixers, ingition, governors, etc. Lots of great pictures also. The real beauty is this book is in bad shape externally. Most of the pages are barely held in, so no loss in taking it apart to scan. I think I got a real gem here, and got it cheap because of the condition. $16 on e-bay, and most of these books are way out of line there. My plan is to scan the book and put it online. Last night I just wanted to know if the scan looked good and if the size looked right. I don't want to go to big, but do want enough detail for all to see. Trade off between bandwidth and quality is what I'm looking for. 99% of the work will amout to scanned pages. I will have to type the index and TOC, or try OCR for those pages. That way I can hyperlink to the other pages. Hope this clears things up. Again thanks for all the opinions. Jeff Allen PS.I'll have the next page in your mailbox tonight Peter. PPS. Bill-Contact me off list if you could help with OCR for the index. Ken Christison wrote: >Jeff, > >You could make things easier by allowing others on the lists to take >perhaps 10 pages and transcribe them. I don't know how many people >would be willing, but I certainly would. > >Some of us on genealogy lists have done that with census reports and >it works pretty well. > >Just a thought. > >Ken > > > > >>Subject: Opinions wanted >> >>Hi all, >> >>I want your opinions before I get too deep into this. Big project and >>will take many months. I think I have a good balance of speed and >>quality here. Let me know before I get into it for real. This will be >>over 400 pages with hyperlinks from the index and the table of contents. >> >>Take a look here at one page. >> >>http://frapa.us/P401.html >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> >> >>To UN-subscribe, send a message to: >> >>stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org >>with: >>unsubscribe >>in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 18 16:34:06 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:34:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <004901c5446f$20ea45d0$2f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Too hot!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I practiced > on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. > It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I smacked and > whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey that's pretty easy > so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and heated it with my > oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got it red hot and touched > the silver solder to it. It melted for about 3/16 of an inch and quit > melting. I heated it up again and as it got red hot, it started to blow > out my other solder. It would just not stay hot to apply my solder long > enough. As soon as I got it red hot and started to apply the solder it > would cool off and not melt the solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it > hotter and that didn't work either. Actually started to melt the steel in > a couple spots, then quick started to apply the solder and same thing, > just 1/8 to 3/16 and it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it > would melt the other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I > messed around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. I > did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will be > distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it in the > main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't bind. So > that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Apr 18 16:36:19 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:36:19 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <000601c54348$ac9688a0$7fc8eddc@professi0cqjbx> Message-ID: <005301c5446f$702bbb60$2f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> They could have tripped as they ran off ..........with the help of a piece of 4x2!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Glassby" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > Mark, Luck was on your side that you did not catch the mongrels. If you > had > and given the bastards a good hiding that they deserved, you would have > been > charged with assault. > Ron Glassby > 7 Nullagine Way > Gosnells 6110 > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kennedy" > To: "sel-lists.stationary-engine.com" > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:01 PM > Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions > > >> I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron > as >> we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed at >> our house under construction, >> >> They must have been pros as 2 sheets of iron were unscrewed at the rear >> of >> the shed which was not in clear view. They had a good look around, opened >> but passed up on 3 old grease covered socket sets, tried to >> unsuccessfully >> jimmy open a locked empty tool cupboard. On the plus side there wasn't >> any >> damage. On the minus side a new and full roll of MIG wire was taken. >> >> The shed is stacked with all my engines and other gear which was > apparently >> of no interest. Seems they were after a quick cash turnover looking for >> tools etc with no serial numbers and that it must be too heavy / hard to >> off load tonnes of cast iron at the pub or local Trash 'n' Treasure. To >> my >> very good fortune! >> >> Anyway, so it has been a weekend of bolting the iron sheets down and >> beefing up the locks. Here's hoping there are no return visits. >> >> So the lesson is - Be prepared, it will happen to you one day and >> probably >> when you least expect it! >> >> Regards, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> Mark Kennedy >> Ballarat, Victoria, Australia >> >> Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy >> >> 'Training Down Under with the majesty of the South Australian Railways' >> >> *********************************************************** >> Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received > in >> error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using >> attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, >> damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or >> not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files >> our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any >> representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 17:45:00 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:45:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><000601c54348$ac9688a0$7fc8eddc@professi0cqjbx> <005301c5446f$702bbb60$2f9081cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <01f701c54479$0d0d1560$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I, too, hope I never catch anyone in my shed or on my property with evil intent.But,If I catch them.............. And I wont be thinking about further down the track either!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > They could have tripped as they ran off ..........with the help of a piece > of 4x2!! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 18 17:56:39 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:56:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418204653.02671638@mail.alltel.net> At 12:00 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: >Hi Everybody, > >Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any >success. t point. I did put it in the main bearings after welding and it >still turned over and didn't bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. >Luke Tonneberger Hi Luke, It sounds to me as if you have purchased some of that LIBERAL silver solder. Like most things LIBERAL it simply will not work! The government was to have straightened this out several years ago, but the democrats have been filibustering the issue and the republicans don't have the (silver) balls to use the nuck option! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 18 18:00:04 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 19:00:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit Message-ID: Howdy all; Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg TIA RickinMt. From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Apr 18 18:31:32 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:31:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418213046.043508e8@mail.alltel.net> A little work with a file and it will be just fine! Dave At 09:00 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: >Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the >morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash >this crankgear? The other side is ok. > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > >TIA >RickinMt. From jbcast at charter.net Mon Apr 18 18:38:31 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 1:38:31 +0000 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit Message-ID: <3rr0ks$s3mdao@mxip05a.cluster1.charter.net> > Should I trash > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > Rick, the gear will work fine if dressed up, it won't look pretty. I'd use it if I didn't have any thing else. J.B. Castagnos From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 19:10:56 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:10:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: Message-ID: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it running again with no noise. A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair in relation to your wallet!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > TIA > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 18 19:30:10 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:30:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit..one more thing please References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418213046.043508e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Ok Thanks Dave and JB..one more thing. After getting the crank straightened (which looks like a boomerang with a hernia), should I have it magnafluxed or inspected somehow? Possibly magnafluxing is included in the straigtening..forgot to ask him. ttfn Rick PS: note to self..don't forget tire chains..aaarghhhhhhhhhhh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > A little work with a file and it will be just fine! > Dave > > At 09:00 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote: > >Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > >morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > >trash > >this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 19:43:44 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:43:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f6025160504181943f2d50f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it running > again with no noise. > A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair in > relation to your wallet!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. I'd agree with Reggie on this one, a small file or two and a bit of care and it would be reusable. The tooth form is quite good looking at the pictures, it's just the sides mainly that are damaged. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 18 20:00:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:00:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Well Reg, up here we say..you can dress 'em up, just can't take'm out. In this case, I'll dress the ole Gal's gear up and take her out. That damn wallet does get it the way!! later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R & M Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it > running > again with no noise. > A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair in > relation to your wallet!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:00 AM > Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > > > Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > > trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 18 20:28:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:28:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit..one more thing please In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050418213046.043508e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605041820281808cc83@mail.gmail.com> On 4/19/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok Thanks Dave and JB..one more thing. After getting the crank straightened > (which looks like a boomerang with a hernia), should I have it magnafluxed > or inspected somehow? Possibly magnafluxing is included in the > straigtening..forgot to ask him. > > ttfn > Rick > PS: note to self..don't forget tire chains..aaarghhhhhhhhhhh Yes, most definitely! Sunny and warm here in Ca..... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 18 23:43:09 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:43:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <025001c544ab$32b22800$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I know ALL about that scene!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Well Reg, up here we say..you can dress 'em up, just can't take'm out. In > this case, I'll dress the ole Gal's gear up and take her out. > > That damn wallet does get it the way!! > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "R & M Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > >> For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it >> running >> again with no noise. >> A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair >> in >> relation to your wallet!! >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Strobel" >> To: "sel" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:00 AM >> Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit >> >> >> > Howdy all; >> > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the >> > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I >> > trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. >> > >> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg >> > >> > TIA >> > RickinMt. _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 03:31:35 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419103135.54077.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a good file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an old garden tractor I have and it works fine. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Howdy all; Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash this crankgear? The other side is ok. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg TIA RickinMt. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! From pjp at steamengine.com.au Tue Apr 19 04:50:27 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:50:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> People who listen closely to my sheds when it is quiet will here the 'tick 'tick 'tick of the electric fence generator :)... picked up a bull proof electric fence generator at a clearing sale for $10 - may as well use it for something. Paul Mark Kennedy wrote: > I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron > as we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed > at our house under construction, > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 05:11:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:11:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <20050419103135.54077.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. c'ya, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a good > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > TIA > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Apr 19 05:16:57 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:16:57 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > People who listen closely to my sheds when it is quiet will here the 'tick > 'tick 'tick of the electric fence generator :)... picked up a bull proof > electric fence generator at a clearing sale for $10 - may as well use it > for something. > > Paul > > Mark Kennedy wrote: >> I am happy to report that local thieves do not apparently value old iron >> as we were the unfortunate victims of a break in to our newly built shed >> at our house under construction, >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 05:21:47 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:21:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <020801c54485$a2115070$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <6f6025160504181943f2d50f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes Peter, the other teeth appear to be in excellent shape. I'll dress up the bad ones and make a decision about tig after that. later Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > On 4/19/05, R & M Ingold wrote: > > For the actual load it carries, a file up of the burrs would get it > > running > > again with no noise. > > A lot depends on the cost of a new one and the cost of the shaft repair > > in > > relation to your wallet!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > I'd agree with Reggie on this one, a small file or two and a bit of > care and it would be reusable. The tooth form is quite good looking at > the pictures, it's just the sides mainly that are damaged. > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 19 05:31:16 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:31:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy Message-ID: <200504191231.j3JCVJlr009125@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I had this little engine follow me home tonight. It is in good condition and even has compression :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 19 06:36:38 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:36:38 +0000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy In-Reply-To: <200504191231.j3JCVJlr009125@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Very nice little engine. How is the speed governed? I don't see any type of governor on it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================== >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: , "Stationary Engine ATIS List" > >Subject: [SEL] A New Toy >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:31:16 +1000 > >I had this little engine follow me home tonight. It is in good condition >and >even has compression :) >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ /sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Apr 19 06:46:57 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:46:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website Message-ID: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate has finally created a website with oldengine. Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 07:29:18 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419142919.59651.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Rich, Yes I did that also. Chucked it up in the lathe s turn thr outer and end profiles to match the original then filed and ground the shape of the tooth into the weld. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. c'ya, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a good > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I trash > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > TIA > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 19 07:34:04 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:34:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Luke, I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two additional things come to mind..... 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned was happening. 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but the solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of the solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to the opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting only (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the edge of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver solder will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the joint. Hope this helps, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hi Everybody, > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 19 07:57:18 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:57:18 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004101c544f0$167e6870$fa4c1152@no1> Hi Joe, That is a very good site! I like your last picture as it is the first "Exhibitors view" shot I have seen of an American show seeing the public & background behind the rope. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [SEL] Website > Hi List, > After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate > has finally created a website with oldengine. > > Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. > As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 19 08:27:25 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:27:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] NC or NF thread In-Reply-To: <200504151811.j3FIBf4v005351@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <200504151811.j3FIBf4v005351@pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <4265235D.50008@imc-group.com> Gene, Sorry about taking so long to respond but I have been doing the jury duty thing. Not done yet as I have to go back this afternoon. :-( Yes both are RH threads. Pick 1/2" rods. Fine thread will be 20 threads per inch and course will be 13 threads per inch. As you rotate the turnbuckle 1 turn, the fine thread will advance 1/20 inch and the course thread will advance 1/13 inch. The difference is .027" (7/260 inch). So for every rotation of the turnbuckle you change the length of the pullrods by .027". That's some pretty serious mechanical advantage! If you really wanted some pull you could make special threads. Say 20 threads per inch and 19 threads per inch. One turn of the turnbuckle would advance the pull rods by .0026" (1/380 inch). You might get tired of turning, but you could pull just about anything. Back to the standard screen door turnbuckle with the RH and LH threads. Generally they are 1/4-20 threads. For every rotation of the turnbuckle each rod will move 1/20". However, these are additive not differential. So the real rod movement per rotation of the turnbuckle is 0.10" (1/10). This has only about 1/4 the mechanical advantage of the first example above. In reality screen door turnbuckles are pretty poor mechanical devices. But they work OK so no one has marketed a better one. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Gene Waugh wrote: >Curt, could you go into this a little deeper, or possibly send me to a site >that can explain this turnbuckle more for me?? I can _sorta_ see how the >two tpi could give a differential, but both with rh threads?--that is the >part I cannot visualize. In Ron's example, the winds are opposite, which I >can see where it would provide a compound action. > >TIA---and Thanks also for the pictures & write-up of your piston sequence! > >Gene Waugh >Elgin, Illinois USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Apr 19 08:41:48 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:41:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Arnie and Bill, After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bill, > >Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. >Bullshit. > >The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes >out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring >producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents what >happens with normal pinned piston rings. > >A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil >film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring >can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. > >My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. >Take a look at... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg > >As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The cylinder >wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring >ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I >replaced the rings. > >My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and >cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. > >Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for >one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance >improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see >problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > > > >>You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. >>http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm >> >>One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and look >>at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if >>there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an >>unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. >>It's worn all the way around. >> >> >> >>>bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being >>>pinned in place? >>>Curt >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:36:51 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:36:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit References: <20050419142919.59651.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes Ron..now if I had these attachments, I'd be in FAT city: http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page5.html Thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Rich, Yes I did that also. Chucked it up in the lathe s turn thr outer and > end profiles to match the original then filed and ground the shape of the > tooth into the weld. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a > tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee > a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. > > c'ya, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > > > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a > > good > > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > > Ron > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > > trash > > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 19 08:47:48 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:47:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004901c544f7$255bef00$230110ac@PAUL> Looking good Joe, I enjoyed surfing your site. Keep up the good work and I will check back often to see what new things you have added. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Website > Hi List, > After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate > has finally created a website with oldengine. > > Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. > As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:44:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:44:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Many moons ago when I did refrigeration, I seem to remember we also put a slight heat on the silver solder stick and dipped it into the flux. We used a torch connected to "Prestolite"..maybe??? Still got a setup. Don't get no better than sweatin' copper. Loads of fun when one gets proficient. PITA till then:-) RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Luke, > I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two > additional things come to mind..... > 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly > reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned was > happening. > 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you > have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but the > solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire > female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of the > solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to the > opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into > melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. > > This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water > pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other > applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and > watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are > trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting only > (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the > heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the > silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the edge > of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver solder > will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the joint. > Hope this helps, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I > > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and > > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and > > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. > > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will > > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it > > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't > > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > Rockford, Michigan > > USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:46:44 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:46:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <004101c544f0$167e6870$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: Lookin' good Pip..you're way ahead of me! Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 08:53:52 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:53:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: And from across the pond comes this. I need to practice also. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~chrish/t-solder.htm Rick From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 18 05:16:19 2005 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:16:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Howard Australia References: <009801c5439f$53360f40$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <004801c54410$6e91edb0$0fb21fd3@morris> G'Day Dave he can get a manual at http://www.rallybadges.com/default.asp?cat=Home Kerry > > Passed on from the UK list > I have just aquired a Howard Terier Cultivator with no details. Wondering > if any 1 may have manual , pics on it. It was manufactured in Australia > and has the Howard L motor 4.5 HP I believe > gkjones at slingshot.co.nz (Gordon) > > Dave Croft From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 10:44:23 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3174.165.206.180.144.1113932663.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Technical? Here -> http://www.vtt.fi/inf/pdf/tiedotteet/2002/T2178.pdf :-) You can also think of the angles gap as a means of further restricting gas escape. Although it's not really needed to any degree, it does offer SOME improved sealing while allowing a larger gap. You don't want the ring ends to line up over ports on a 2 stroker - they can "catch" and cause problems with wear, etc. so most strokers are pinned. They also don't experience the same effects as rings in a 4 stroker experience. There are differences in gas movements and pressures. So the rings behave differently and wear differently. I've also heard from old-timers (does Arnie fit that category?) that rings were pinned early on due to the fear of gaps lining up. Pins were also used for unscientific reasons in 4 stroke engines, so why continue if it didn't make sense after later research showed it not needed? Pull the pins and save production costs. They offer no improvement on a 4 stroke. Bill > Arnie and Bill, > After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped > me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the > engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead > of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the > strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end > gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This > assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not > leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of > obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put > the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the > other. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Allow me to offer up a technical term on this line of reasoning. >>Bullshit. >> >>The problem with the two examples offered; namely a wristpin that pokes >>out and wears a groove in the cylinder wall and a stuck piston ring >>producing abnormal cylinder wall wear, is that neither one represents >> what >>happens with normal pinned piston rings. >> >>A normal ring makes contact uniformly with the piston wall and the oil >>film based on the amount of "spring" that the ring has. A stuck ring >>can't move away from the wall, neither can the wristpin. >> >>My 4 hp Robertsonville (a 4-stroke engine) has pinned rings. >>Take a look at... >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_1.jpg >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/rings_2.jpg >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/Piston_Rings/worn_rings.jpg >> >>As you can clearly see the rings are BADLY worn (not stuck). The >> cylinder >>wall had no indications whatsoever of any abnormality caused by the "ring >>ends" even though the rings are pinned. BTW I kept the pins when I >>replaced the rings. >> >>My two cycle Bessemer half-breed also has pinned rings, a lot of ring and >>cylinder wear and no indication whatsoever of "ring end" effects. >> >>Engine builders dropped the idea of pinned rings in 4-stroke engines for >>one reason only. The added cost was not offset by any performance >>improvement. Not because it caused problems. We obviously don't see >>problems in our two-stroke engines with pinned rings. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>You'll wear a ridge where the ring gap is. >>>http://www.sacskyranch.com/piston_ring_rotation.htm >>> >>>One way to show rotation is to disassemble an automotive engine - and >>> look >>>at the spot where the top ring lands in the cylinder at each TDC - if >>>there was no rotation, you should see where the ring end gap left an >>>unworn area in the cylinder, but you won't unless the rings were stuck. >>>It's worn all the way around. >>> >>> >>> >>>>bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>On a 4 stroker it's normal and preferred. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Please elaborate. Why is ring rotation preferred as opposed to being >>>>pinned in place? >>>>Curt >>>> >>>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 10:45:14 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <004901c544f7$255bef00$230110ac@PAUL> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <004901c544f7$255bef00$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <3178.165.206.180.144.1113932714.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Very nice photos, some great engines, too. Thanks for sharing. Bill > Looking good Joe, I enjoyed surfing your site. Keep up the good work and I > will check back often to see what new things you have added. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph L Betz" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:46 AM > Subject: [SEL] Website > > >> Hi List, >> After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate >> has finally created a website with oldengine. >> >> Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. >> As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 19 10:55:51 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:55:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Howard Australia References: <009801c5439f$53360f40$fa4c1152@no1> <004801c54410$6e91edb0$0fb21fd3@morris> Message-ID: <00f201c54509$07f07af0$fa4c1152@no1> Many thanks, I will pass it on! Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Howard Australia > G'Day Dave > > he can get a manual at http://www.rallybadges.com/default.asp?cat=Home > > Kerry > > > > > Passed on from the UK list > > I have just aquired a Howard Terier Cultivator with no details. Wondering > > if any 1 may have manual , pics on it. It was manufactured in Australia > > and has the Howard L motor 4.5 HP I believe > > gkjones at slingshot.co.nz (Gordon) > > > > Dave Croft > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 19 11:26:00 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050419182601.14500.qmail@web14126.mail.yahoo.com> Ohooo!!! wouldn't they be great? Oh weel we can dream. That's still free. Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Yes Ron..now if I had these attachments, I'd be in FAT city: http://www.lathes.co.uk/senecafalls/page5.html Thanx Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > Rich, Yes I did that also. Chucked it up in the lathe s turn thr outer and > end profiles to match the original then filed and ground the shape of the > tooth into the weld. > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok Thanks Ron. Got plenty of time to file. Definetly need to look into a > tig and possibly a wire welder for other old iron projects. I could forsee > a benefit of using a lathe for dressing the tig'd gear teeth also. > > c'ya, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] update on Galloway Sawing Outfit > > > > I wouldn't junk it Rick. Take it to a good weld shop and have them tig > > weld the bad spots. Then with a Dremmel or other small grinder and a > > good > > file, bring the teeth back into shape. I did this with a worn gear in an > > old garden tractor I have and it works fine. > > Ron > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all; > > Well I got the flywheels off today and will head for Missoula in the > > morning to get the crank straightened. I need your opinion. Should I > > trash > > this crankgear? The other side is ok. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/325803799INERIg > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 19 11:26:20 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal configuration. See ya, Arnie PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped > me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the > engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead > of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the > strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end > gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This > assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not > leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of > obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put > the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. From nick at holden1.net Tue Apr 19 11:33:22 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:33:22 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <42654EF2.000001.02828@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Joe it looks real good to me i hope when i get to build a web site it looks as good as this first time Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Joseph L Betz Date: 04/19/05 15:09:47 To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Website Hi List, After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate has finally created a website with oldengine. Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 12:16:46 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of what are otherwise butt-end rings<< I guess that's what I'm used to seeing on the pinned rings. Of course, like the old addage goes: 'If every raven I see in my lifetime is black, that does not thus prove that all ravens are black' (or something like that!) Bill > Hi Curt, > > Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were > anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that > configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of > what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal > configuration. > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful > theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > >> After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >> me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >> engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >> of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >> strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >> gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >> assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >> leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >> obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >> the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the >> other. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From andyglines at hotmail.com Tue Apr 19 12:16:01 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:16:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings Message-ID: I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so it needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else tried this? From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 19 12:19:59 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:19:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419151544.04446cb8@mail.alltel.net> > Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the strange wear > pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end gap would > create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This assured the ring > was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not leave an unworn > ridge down the length of the cylinder. >Curt Holland Hi Curt, Pinned, 45ed, butted, or some other configuration I have NEVER seen "an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder" and I would bet that no one else has either! Dave PS, Your comment reminds me of a story: A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Lief off my census." From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Apr 19 12:49:04 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:49:04 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: Message-ID: <002001c54518$db03fb10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> I'm affraid JB Welt can't stand that pouring heat babbit. Why not use another piece of round stock of the same dia? What I have heard most do. John H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" > > I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is > relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt > pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with > one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so it > needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill > the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried > about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else tried > this? > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Apr 19 12:55:04 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:55:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.c om> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419155309.044bad30@mail.alltel.net> >'If every raven I see in my lifetime is black, that does not thus prove >that all ravens are black' >Bill Hi Bill, Every raven IS black. There are some TRUTHS that lie outside of human experience. This is one of them! Dave From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 19 12:58:28 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:58:28 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From lsain33 at charter.net Tue Apr 19 16:10:57 2005 From: lsain33 at charter.net (Larry Sain) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:10:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: Message-ID: <015701c54535$0b73aa40$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Hi Andy, I'm pretty much an expert, having poured a grand total of one bearing, so take my experience for what it's worth. The con rod bearing on my 20 HP Bessemer was in pieces and the crank pin had a pretty bad crater in it as well as some smaller pits. Upon the advice of some true oil field engine experts, I poured the bearing, scraped it, cut oil grooves and left the pits alone, other than cleaning them. The engine runs flawlessly under no load and a max of 80-90 rpm. Since the crank pin is 3 and 3/4 inches in diameter, even a pretty nasty pit has little effect on the structural integrity or so I'm told. You could always pour the bearing and Then fill the pits with JB, thus avoiding the heat of the pour. You'll want to scrape the bearings anyway so the buildup from the pitted areas will be gone. Cut your oil grooves and fire it up. Good luck. Larry in Cat Square, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is > relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt > pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with > one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so it > needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill > the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried > about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else tried > this? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 > > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 13:15:37 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419151544.04446cb8@mail.alltel.net> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050419151544.04446cb8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3745.165.206.180.144.1113941737.squirrel@antique-engines.com> >>A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Lief off my census."<< ROFL! Oh, good one! From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Apr 19 13:27:23 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050419155309.044bad30@mail.alltel.net> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <3415.165.206.180.144.1113938206.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20050419155309.044bad30@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <3934.165.206.180.144.1113942443.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Will you quit trying to confuse us all with truth and fact? Oh, I forgot - though this was the political list where truth and fact have no place. Bill > >>'If every raven I see in my lifetime is black, that does not thus prove >>that all ravens are black' >>Bill > > Hi Bill, Every raven IS black. There are some TRUTHS that lie outside of > human experience. This is one of them! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 13:53:58 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:53:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Is it legal to steal? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 14:16:23 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:16:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <00de01c54525$28b84a80$14e3f504@x8h7l9> I inherited a Prestolite set up also. It works on Acetylene and Air. The temperature has to be higher then a propane torch but less than Acetylene and oxygen. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Many moons ago when I did refrigeration, I seem to remember we also put a > slight heat on the silver solder stick and dipped it into the flux. We used > a torch connected to "Prestolite"..maybe??? Still got a setup. > > Don't get no better than sweatin' copper. Loads of fun when one gets > proficient. PITA till then:-) > > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:34 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > Luke, > > I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two > > additional things come to mind..... > > 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly > > reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned was > > happening. > > 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you > > have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but the > > solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire > > female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of the > > solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to the > > opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into > > melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. > > > > This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water > > pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other > > applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and > > watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are > > trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting only > > (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the > > heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the > > silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the edge > > of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver solder > > will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the joint. > > Hope this helps, > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have any > > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > > > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled I > > > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > > > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on and > > > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > > > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > > > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > > > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > > > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > > > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > > > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't work > > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > > > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 and > > > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > > > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > > > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > > > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin from > > > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. After > > > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the crankshaft. > > > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it will > > > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put it > > > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and didn't > > > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > USA From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Apr 19 14:51:11 2005 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:51:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Driver licensing Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704478642@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Driver licencing is quite complex in the UK and Europe, you have lots of different classes of licence. I have car, motorcycle and truck licences, but within the average group such as the car or truck there are more sub-classes that you may or may not need a test for. >>>Peter Classes? For a commercial driver's license anywhere in the US, many. Mine is good for autos, motorcycles, trucks under and over 26,000 pounds, trailers over 10,000 pounds GVWR, double and triple trailers, tanks, buses, air brakes, and hazardous materials. Each endorsement has its own written test. If those are passed, you take three "skills tests" which are pre-trip vehicle inspection, basic vehicle control, and an on-road test. Additionally, for commercial drivers the blood alcohol limit is lower (.04 vs .08%), and penalties for drunk or drugged driving are severe. A second offense is loss of license for life. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Apr 19 14:53:21 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: <015701c54535$0b73aa40$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> References: <015701c54535$0b73aa40$6401a8c0@larry3tg5xwrwa> Message-ID: Hi Andy, As an alternative to JBWeld, McMaster-Carr lists a couple of high temperature epoxy putties. One for aluminum rated to 1400 deg.F and one for cast iron, steel, and stainless rated to 2000 deg.F. Under $30 for 8 oz. Look for 7356A33 (or 7356A32 for the aluminum). http://www.mcmaster.com/ They also carry the high temperature titanium Devcon rated to 350 deg.F. That's a bit higher at $65 for a pound. Realistically, you could probably use the JBWeld also. The worst that could happen is that some of it burns out leaving a lesser pit than you have now. You'd still need to scrape that as Larry describes, but it would probably be less scraping than if you left the pits unfilled. What diameter is the shaft? If it's beefy, the heat sink effect of the shaft would probably conduct enough heat away that the JBWeld wouldn't be badly damaged. Or just drop $30 and go for the high temperature stuff. 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Larry Sain wrote: > I'm pretty much an expert, having poured a grand total of one bearing, so > take my experience for what it's worth. The con rod bearing on my 20 HP > Bessemer was in pieces and the crank pin had a pretty bad crater in it as > well as some smaller pits. Upon the advice of some true oil field engine > experts, I poured the bearing, scraped it, cut oil grooves and left the pits > alone, other than cleaning them. The engine runs flawlessly under no load > and a max of 80-90 rpm. Since the crank pin is 3 and 3/4 inches in > diameter, even a pretty nasty pit has little effect on the structural > integrity or so I'm told. You could always pour the bearing and Then fill > the pits with JB, thus avoiding the heat of the pour. You'll want to scrape > the bearings anyway so the buildup from the pitted areas will be gone. Cut > your oil grooves and fire it up. Good luck. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Glines" > > > I have an issue with one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The > > shaft is badly pitted so it > > needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to fill > > the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried > > about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 15:12:13 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:12:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <036301c5452d$82c83190$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Hey Luke, ya dun good!! Its all a great big learning curve and then ya die!!! So, SMILE!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder > attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty > simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and > put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston > makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds > pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft > not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed > soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the > piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty > gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the > aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and > figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could > use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I > just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this > time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to > the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I > attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my > beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision > to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not > expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some > parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening > at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll > do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures > showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 15:09:41 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:09:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: <002001c54518$db03fb10$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <036201c5452d$825376c0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I have used Alloy tube in place of the shaft when pouring. Perfect job and no sticking. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > I'm affraid JB Welt can't stand that pouring heat babbit. > Why not use another piece of round stock of the same dia? > What I have heard most do. > > John H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Glines" >> > >> I am posting this to the SEL and Steam lists because I think that it is >> relevant to both. You folks have entertained my questions about babbitt >> pouring and have given me a great deal of guidance. I have an issue with >> one of the shafts that needs new bearings. The shaft is badly pitted so >> it >> needs repair before pouring a new bearing. My initial thought was to >> fill >> the pits with JBweld. The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried >> about it holding up the heat of pouring the bearing. Has anyone else >> tried >> this? >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 15:55:06 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:55:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> Hi Joe, Looks great to me. Well laid out. Now all you have to do is move those webshots onto your site. Jeff Allen Joseph L Betz wrote: >Hi List, >After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate >has finally created a website with oldengine. > >Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. >As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Apr 19 16:33:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:33:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Website > Hi Joe, > Looks great to me. Well laid out. Now all you have to do is move those > webshots onto your site. > Jeff Allen Hi Jeff, I have both but it is a damn sight easier to put the pictures on Webshots than write the webpage program. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 16:22:03 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:22:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <043c01c5453a$1e968d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Further to, WHEN you get it down from the shelf again, bore out the cylinder and put a sleeve in. Not a hard job. A new crankshaft aint a big deal either. Cupla days..... Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder > attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty > simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and > put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston > makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds > pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft > not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed > soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the > piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty > gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the > aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and > figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could > use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I > just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this > time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to > the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I > attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my > beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision > to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not > expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some > parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening > at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll > do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures > showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From tberry6 at carolina.rr.com Tue Apr 19 17:57:10 2005 From: tberry6 at carolina.rr.com (Tommy Berry) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:57:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c54543$e23a15b0$6401a8c0@TBerry> Don't scrap it Luke put it on a shelf and in a few years when you gain a few more skills it will be easy to fix the problems.Briggs engines are casted of a special alloy because of the cyl. Tommy Berry -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:58 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure I'd like to thank everybody for the comeback on my failed silver solder attempt. For the record, I've sweated copper fittings and thats pretty simple. Anyway, I worked on a few more pieces of the model last night and put it all together to see how it fit up. It wasn't pretty. The piston makes a pretty serious popping sound at one point in the stroke. It binds pretty seriously in a couple spots. I think this is from the crankshaft not being square. I sorta felt that it wasn't perfect prior to my failed soldering attempt, but I went ahead with it anyway. After cleaning the piston, rings, cylinder and assembling it back together it gets a dirty gritty feel to the oil after cranking it over 15 or 20 times. I feel the aluminum I used for the cylinder is too soft. It is what I had on hand and figured if there are Briggs engines with aluminum cylinders then I could use that too. I could go on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I just don't feel I have the skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this time. I can draw them on the CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to the machinists. I've wanted to build a model for years and am glad I attempted it. I really learned alot. It might sound like I'm crying in my beer but I am not. I am not unhappy about the failed model or my decision to not build models. Just wanted to let you guys know so your not expecting to see a finished model someday. I'm sure I could make some parts over and have a finished running model. Just will not be happening at this time. I'll put what I have up on the shelf and who knows what I'll do in the years down the road. Here is a web site with some pictures showing some of the stuff I did and the progress I made. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/model/model.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jmackess at twcny.rr.com Tue Apr 19 18:21:05 2005 From: jmackess at twcny.rr.com (James Mackessy) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:21:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: Message-ID: <003701c54547$3ab4f720$ab853a18@james547qmsxft> Luke; "The guys that do all the work make all the mistakes". Take a break from it, but you can't have that much time in and not have a need to know what's wrong. Any machinist worth his salt will tell you that no one gets by without a few "boo-boos" in the pail under the bench. You've done some pretty interesting engineering, and when it does run, it will be a really sweet victory. Aluminum cylinders have a special heat treated surface, not very thick, and sensitive to overheating. Have you thought about a sleeve? As to the crank, what if you solder (or weld) it up with the journals left oversize? Finish it between centers, it's got to be true. Don't give up. It's going to run! Best Regards; Jim Mackessy (toolmaker with scrap bucket full under the bench) Syracuse, New York, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure >. I could go > on and on with the bad stuff. I'll spare you. I just don't feel I have the > skills/knowledge to be a model maker at this time. I can draw them on the > CAD, but I'll leave the bulding of them to the machinists. From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:32:05 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:32:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <4265B115.8020705@earthlink.net> Hi all, I had a request for some of the patent pages in the book. No time like the present to test the layout. Give it a look see here. It loads a little slower with the navigation table, but I think it's needed. Page by page, or back and forth between index and TOC and pages. All comments welcome. Only 420 pages to go, plus the index and TOC. My OCR program is pretty good, so I will save myself some thai ping. Enjoy, and comment!! http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P401.html Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:39:42 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:39:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> Hi Dave, You are correct, but when we host our own photos there are no adds. Much more work, but worth it for me. I do enjoy the photos that all share regardless of how they do it. Jeff Allen Dave Croft wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Allen" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:55 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Website > > > > >>Hi Joe, >>Looks great to me. Well laid out. Now all you have to do is move those >>webshots onto your site. >>Jeff Allen >> >> > >Hi Jeff, I have both but it is a damn sight easier to put the pictures on Webshots >than write the webpage program. >Dave Croft >Warrington >England >http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv >http://www.oldengine.org/members/croft/homepage/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 19 17:13:40 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:13:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <426516DC.3000308@imc-group.com> <00de01c54525$28b84a80$14e3f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: I should get mine filled. Suppose I have to pay bounty on that bottle also. But I know I get metal too hot with the oxy-acet...so prestolite might be the answer. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "ED" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > I inherited a Prestolite set up also. It works on Acetylene and Air. The > temperature has to be higher then a propane torch but less than Acetylene > and oxygen. > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > Many moons ago when I did refrigeration, I seem to remember we also put > > a > > slight heat on the silver solder stick and dipped it into the flux. We > used > > a torch connected to "Prestolite"..maybe??? Still got a setup. > > > > Don't get no better than sweatin' copper. Loads of fun when one gets > > proficient. PITA till then:-) > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Curt" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > > > > > > > Luke, > > > I hope I am not repeating what has already been mentioned.....but two > > > additional things come to mind..... > > > 1) When I silver solder with a oxy/act torch I adjust for a slightly > > > reducing flame so as not to melt or burn the metal as you mentioned > > > was > > > happening. > > > 2) The principle with silver soldering is essentially wicking. Yes you > > > have to get the entire area you are trying to get soldered hot, but > > > the > > > solder will wick or run to the hottest section. You heat the entire > > > female area to be soldered early on until close to the melting temp of > the > > > solder. Pick a side you will feed the solder to. Move your torch to > > > the > > > opposite end. Continue heating and once you cross the threshold into > > > melting the solder it will suck right toward the hotter end. > > > > > > This technique has served me well with regular solder on copper water > > > pipes, with silver solder on HVAC tubing, and a host of other > > > applications. You might buy a few copper fittings and some pipe and > > > watch the wicking action before doing another crankshaft. If you are > > > trying this with 3/4" fittings, apply your heat around the fitting > > > only > > > (never the pipe), about 3/4" away from the end. Keep heating, as the > > > heat travels to the end of the fitting it will eventually melt the > > > silver solder which you are holding in contact with the pipe at the > > > edge > > > of the fitting. Once you just exceed the melting point the silver > > > solder > > > will instantly wick towards the heat source completely filling the > joint. > > > Hope this helps, > > > Curt Holland > > > Gastonia, NC > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Everybody, > > > > > > > > Well, I tried my hand at silver soldering Saturday and didn't have > > > > any > > > > success. I tried for about 4 hours and just couldn't get it. I > > > > practiced on a piece of steel. Got it red hot and touched the silver > > > > solder to it. It melted and made a nice little blob. After it cooled > > > > I > > > > smacked and whacked on it and it wouldn't bust loose. I thought hey > > > > that's pretty easy so I tried it on my crankshaft. Put my flux on > > > > and > > > > heated it with my oxy/acetylene torch with a brazing tip in it. Got > > > > it red hot and touched the silver solder to it. It melted for about > > > > 3/16 of an inch and quit melting. I heated it up again and as it got > > > > red hot, it started to blow out my other solder. It would just not > > > > stay hot to apply my solder long enough. As soon as I got it red hot > > > > and started to apply the solder it would cool off and not melt the > > > > solder. I tried the cutting tip to get it hotter and that didn't > > > > work > > > > either. Actually started to melt the steel in a couple spots, then > > > > quick started to apply the solder and same thing, just 1/8 to 3/16 > > > > and > > > > it would cool off and not work. Then reheat and it would melt the > > > > other solder out of the way and have to do it over again. I messed > > > > around for about 4 hours and didn't get anywhere. I was not a happy > > > > guy! After almost throwing the whole damn model in the scrap bin > > > > from > > > > being so frustrated, I figured I'm not cut out for model making. > > > > After > > > > sleeping on it for a day I took the welder and welded the > > > > crankshaft. > > > > I did a little at a time so it didn't get too hot. Not sure if it > > > > will > > > > be distorted or not, I didn't really care at that point. I did put > > > > it > > > > in the main bearings after welding and it still turned over and > > > > didn't > > > > bind. So that's my silver soldering failure story. > > > > > > > > Luke Tonneberger > > > > Rockford, Michigan > > > > USA > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 18:58:50 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:58:50 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that you are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. Criminals DO have rights mind you. When my brother went through this several years ago, the officer gave some pointers. There are no charges if a man is found beaten on the street and there are no witnesses to the beating. I doubt the electric fence would get you in trouble, but you never know any more. Jeff Allen R & M Ingold wrote: > Is it legal to steal? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > > >> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From clemsweller at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 19:33:10 2005 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:33:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c54551$51672970$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> I just hope that if someone wants to break into my shed, I come home when it happens. Dead men can't lie! By the way, Hillbilly flywheeler's show in Irvine Kentucky is this weekend. Friday through Sunday, Irvine, Kentucky. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:59 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that you are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. Criminals DO have rights mind you. When my brother went through this several years ago, the officer gave some pointers. There are no charges if a man is found beaten on the street and there are no witnesses to the beating. I doubt the electric fence would get you in trouble, but you never know any more. Jeff Allen R & M Ingold wrote: > Is it legal to steal? > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > > >> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 20:04:29 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:04:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > You are correct, but when we host our own photos there are no adds. Much > more work, but worth it for me. I do enjoy the photos that all share > regardless of how they do it. > > Jeff Allen There are ways of preventing adverts from appearing, one of which is to put the advert site in a list in Windows that blocks the advert. I personally much prefer website pictures with descriptive text than Webshots or other equivalent sites where text is very limited if allowed at all. A well-documented photo is worthy of much more viewing time. Here is a site that explains about blocking adverts: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ I am just working through the Tulare pictures and the website pages to go with them. There are about 200 or so to do, and pages and menus to go on the site. I hope to spend a fair bit of time on the flight home tomorrow getting these sorted out so I can post them to Oldengine on our return. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 19 20:39:03 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:39:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4265CED7.9050305@earthlink.net> Hi Peter, I'm sure we all look forward to your pictures. You will once again piss me off because you do it so much better than I. :-)) The time you spend and the quality of the presentation is appreciated. It is not always acknowledged as it should be, and I am as guilty as all. It is always a pleasure to visit your photo albums. Jeff Allen Listerdiesel wrote: >On 4/20/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > > >>Hi Dave, >> >>You are correct, but when we host our own photos there are no adds. Much >>more work, but worth it for me. I do enjoy the photos that all share >>regardless of how they do it. >> >>Jeff Allen >> >> > > There are ways of preventing adverts from appearing, one of which is to put >the advert site in a list in Windows that blocks the advert. > I personally much prefer website pictures with descriptive text than >Webshots or other equivalent sites where text is very limited if allowed at >all. > A well-documented photo is worthy of much more viewing time. > Here is a site that explains about blocking adverts: > http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ > I am just working through the Tulare pictures and the website pages to go >with them. There are about 200 or so to do, and pages and menus to go on the >site. I hope to spend a fair bit of time on the flight home tomorrow getting >these sorted out so I can post them to Oldengine on our return. > Peter > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 19 20:32:13 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:32:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3><029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <04b201c5455d$48d5e6a0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I like the idea of wiring the roofing iron! Might jump the sod to the edge and the fall finishing the job. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions > Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. > > It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for > thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that you > are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 21:26:56 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:26:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <4265CED7.9050305@earthlink.net> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> <42658C4A.80009@earthlink.net> <000401c54538$2b07be20$fa4c1152@no1> <4265B2DE.3070807@earthlink.net> <6f60251605041920043cbde5f5@mail.gmail.com> <4265CED7.9050305@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6f6025160504192126555829e7@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Jeff Allen wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > I'm sure we all look forward to your pictures. You will once again piss > me off because you do it so much better than I. :-)) The time you spend > and the quality of the presentation is appreciated. It is not always > acknowledged as it should be, and I am as guilty as all. It is always a > pleasure to visit your photo albums. > > Jeff Allen Thanks for the kind words, Jeff, my only regret is that we don't get the time to do more in this line, especially some of the workshop stuff that we have done in the past and never documented. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Tue Apr 19 22:41:04 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:41:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures Message-ID: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> As mentioned the other day, I have got the first two pages of pictures up on our site for folks to have a look at. They are not in any specific order, and there are some nice trucks in there this year as well. We did get a brief look around the USS Pampanito today, and have a few shots of the engine room etc that will go on later. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu051.htm and http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu052.htm Note that there is no linkage between pages and no icon on the main menu yet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Apr 19 22:52:42 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:52:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504200552.j3K5qbFI050485@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Luke, The engine does not have a governor on it. It will simply be a matter of setting the speed by adjusting the amount of fuel it is getting. There is a tap where the gas is fed in so that would be what was used originally. It will probably take some messing around to get it right. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, Very nice little engine. How is the speed governed? I don't see any type of governor on it. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From canuckiron at wightman.ca Wed Apr 20 03:45:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:45:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <426632B1.8030506@wightman.ca> Looks great Joe. Duncan Joseph L Betz wrote: -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From guitronics at comcast.net Wed Apr 20 04:08:13 2005 From: guitronics at comcast.net (guitronics) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:08:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au><4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <4265B75A.9020307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4266381D.2040600@comcast.net> Amen to that. "In a city,it's almost ALWAYS illegal to protect property". Jeff Allen wrote: > Almost needs to go to slick, but it was an invasion of an engine shed. > > It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for > thiefs if the building is not attached to the house. Reason being that > you are in no danger while your shed is being robbed. Criminals DO > have rights mind you. When my brother went through this several years > ago, the officer gave some pointers. There are no charges if a man is > found beaten on the street and there are no witnesses to the beating. > I doubt the electric fence would get you in trouble, but you never > know any more. > > Jeff Allen > > R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Is it legal to steal? >> Reg & Marg Ingold. >> Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >> randmingold at hotkey.net.au >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" >> >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Shed Invasions >> >> >>> Great idea Paul and it is legal or is it? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ivancou at alltel.net Wed Apr 20 04:34:43 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:34:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] model engine Message-ID: <003301c5459c$f3d0f6a0$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Luke , I'm not familiar with modeling but it looks like you're on the right track . Why not scrounge around and find a different cylinder . Maybe something off a wisconsin or something else with a detachable jug . Ya you didnt create it then but if it all works what the .... I suppose you could have a cylinder cast . Then go from there . How about pressing the halves of the crank together . I think some motorcycles are put together that way . Ivan From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 20 04:52:14 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 07:52:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions Message-ID: <29.719175e4.2f979c6e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/19/2005 10:15:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << It is not legal to steal, but in these parts you can't set a trap for thiefs if the building is not attached to the hous >> Jeff, That is probably true in all places. You cannot set a trap to hurt someone. I remember reading about a classic case of this back in the late 60's when a person set up a shotgun to go off when a building he owned was consistently broken into. Shotgun went off, burglar lost leg, sued owner and won! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 19 14:25:43 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:25:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050419212543.55434.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Luke Have you thought about using Loctite for building a crankshaft? Use hi-strength type 638 and when it has cured, cross pin the joints with a taper pin. Cleanliness is imperative. Use acetone or similar to clean the joint, make sure you don't touch the cleaned surfaces with fingers or anything oily. This method is used quite frequently when making model steam engine crankshafts up to quite a large size. Regards Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 19 14:45:14 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:45:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050419214515.41653.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Andy Use a dummy shaft, slightly smaller diameter than the original to give yourself a machining allowance. > The shaft is badly pitted so it > The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried about it holding up the heat of pouring the > bearing. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 07:24:03 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:24:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website Message-ID: <20050420.103351.316.3.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List, Thanks to those who have responded and critiqued my website. There were some suggestions to put the pictures on Webshots also. No Problem - However - Being I DO NOT have a digital camera, at present I use Snapfish for developing which, (I think) accounts for the small size of pictures. Then I will sort some out for installation on Webshots. The purpose of My Website is among other things, to show some pictures - but - I don't want to "repeat" a lot of pictures on the Website AND my Webshots. For the Website - I used a few picts from Webshots just to get it going. In the future, I'd like to show more of the shows I attend. Time will tell. Thanks for the opportunity; Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 07:39:45 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:39:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures Message-ID: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> Great Pics Pete, Why is it that when someone else takes pics - they look great ? When I take them - Not so great ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 07:43:18 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:43:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <20050420.104325.316.7.jlb94@juno.com> Looks good Jeff, I can't imagine taking on such a hugh project. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 20 07:59:08 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Arnie, You've not burst my bubble :-) Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun :-) Curt P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Curt, > >Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >configuration. > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful > theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: > > > >>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 20 08:05:53 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:05:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces Message-ID: Well gang IMO, ole William stopped in Chicago on his way to New York when he casted the mating surfaces on the main bearing mating surfaces (5hp Galloway Roundrod). These mating surfaces have NOT been machined and are rougher than a corn cob. Well let's just say the mating surface on the main casting is rough. Now Rick is casting me new caps and Spud will probably machine the mating surface(s). But what do I do with the roughness on the main casting? I could file on this for a month and hate to go thru all the prep. problems that I can forsee with machining. Luckily the studs will come out. I could do like William and just use SOFT wood shims that would conform to the roughness, but maybe there's a better way, dunno. Any thought's?? Life is good, weather is bad. Spud and I are headed to Missoula tomorrow morning to get the crank and rod straightened. Thanks much for readin' RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 08:12:21 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:12:21 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <043c01c5453a$1e968d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: Thanks guys. I'll pick it up again someday, but for now I'm taking a break. I appreciate all the comments on and off list. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: "R & M Ingold" > >Further to, WHEN you get it down from the shelf again, bore out the >cylinder and put a sleeve in. Not a hard job. >A new crankshaft aint a big deal either. Cupla days..... >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:12:37 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:12:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050420.103351.316.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.103351.316.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050420091220730874@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > Hi List, > > Thanks to those who have responded and critiqued my website. > > There were some suggestions to put the pictures on Webshots also. > > No Problem - However - Being I DO NOT have a digital camera, > at present I use Snapfish for developing which, (I think) accounts for > the small size > of pictures. Then I will sort some out for installation on Webshots. > > The purpose of My Website is among other things, to show some pictures - > but - > I don't want to "repeat" a lot of pictures on the Website AND my > Webshots. > > For the Website - I used a few picts from Webshots just to get it going. > In the future, I'd like to show more of the shows I attend. > > Time will tell. > > Thanks for the opportunity; > > Joe "Pip" Betz Joe: You really 'need' to get into a digital camera, period. It saves so much time and trauma, AND you can retake a shot if you see it doesn't come out right at the time, (especially if you are far from home and can't make another trip back to retake the shot!) A lot of us use the Sony Mavica range, but there are plenty of others to choose from. Also, when you do take shots on digital, ALWAYS save them somewhere and copy them over for editing. DON'T use originals in case you screw up while editing the pictures. Saves a lot of tears. We saved our Tulare shots as soon as we got back to San Jose, and then backed them up to a separate drive on the laptop. Belt and braces.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:14:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:14:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: References: <043c01c5453a$1e968d90$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <6f60251605042009145b64a0cd@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Thanks guys. I'll pick it up again someday, but for now I'm taking a > break. > I appreciate all the comments on and off list. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA I was always bad with gas welding, especially on truck mudguards which were rusty, but after a few sessions it gelled and once learned it comes naturally the next time. Keep at it! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 20 09:20:54 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:20:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] model engine Message-ID: Yesterday I got my copy of the new model engine building magazine. Issue 1 volume 1. http://www.modelenginebuilder.net/ I subscribed to this new publication even though I'm not a model builder. Some day I hope to build some models, if I ever find time. One of the things that impressed me on their first issue is that it comes with several sets of plans for the models shown in the magazine. These are actually loose sheets of the building diagrams, not just printed on the magazine pages. Looks like it will be a good magazine. Hopefully some day I'll get the experience and machine tools needed to try building something. In the meantime it is just interesting reading. WAIT George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:22:21 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:22:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042009222e704d33@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > Great Pics Pete, > > Why is it that when someone else takes pics - they look great ? > > When I take them - Not so great ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz Thanks for the comments, Joe, nice to know that they are looking OK on other folk's PC's! Pictures you take for yourself are always difficult to grade until you get back home and have a look. I have always had a camera around and I think that I probably learned about framing a shot and general techniques quite early on, before I had an SLR camera. Going digital made it much easier as I could look at the shot afterwards and if it was a bit 'wonky' I could re-shoot immediately. Like welding and other techniques, it is a learning process that you need to go through and try to perfect. I am not a professional and my failure rate is fairly high, we only use 50% of what we take, but at least we know what we are looking for most of the time. Get a digital camera and spend a week or so taking shots and evaluate what you see and what you shoot, that's the only way to go. Books I don't find to be that useful, although in the very early days I did buy one for the Pentax we had (and still have) so that I could use it! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 20 09:25:36 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:25:36 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504200925487fe18f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > > As mentioned the other day, I have got the first two pages of pictures up > on our site for folks to have a look at. > Four pages running now, and I have put inter-page links between them: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu051.htm through http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/Tularemenu054.htm I'll have to shut down now and get some packing done! Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 20 09:34:13 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:34:13 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? Message-ID: <1c4.26b2e617.2f97de85@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 12:15:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >> Curt, I think you are right and that no one will ever know what the 100 year old methodology was as far as ring installation is concerned. On the smaller engines I have taken apart, I found three types, pinned, not pinned square butt, and non pinned angular butt. These are on engines of 10 hp or less. Of the engines I have dissambled, the International Famous engines were pinned, but Hercules were not. I would be of the opinion that it was the thoughts of the engineers that worked for a particular company as to how the rings were installed. I do not think any rings went past the ignitor holes as this would cause breakage. These are just my opinions from a non-opinionated fellow! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 20 10:13:20 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:13:20 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, William has made the hole too big . http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything is hunky doory: http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt "Jus slap me" RickinMt. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 20 10:37:06 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:37:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long Message-ID: Last Thursday I left home around 3am to pick up Wayne for our Tulare trip. 4:01am we pulled out of Wayne's driveway headed south to California. Thursday afternoon we stop to visit Bill at Newcastle and see his collection. Bill's a good friend and I've visited him many times, but Wayne had never been there. Bill's got a nice collection of engines and tractors, as well as being a talented craftsman so seeing what he's working on is always interesting. Lauren met up with us at Bill's place, and we waited around until another collector I know was off from work. When Craig in Auburn got home from work, we went over to his place to see his collection and see what he's been working on. Neither Wayne or Lauren had been to Craig's place before. Craig showed us the Fairbanks-Morse hot tube assemblies and chimneys he reproduces which were very nice. After Craig's place we had a late dinner before spending the night at Galt. Friday morning we were on the road again and originally had planned on seeing Steve Gray's place before Steve headed south to Tulare, but plans changed and we went to the Sunshine Foundry in Valley Springs instead. (I let Steve know the night before that plans had changed). The Sunshine Foundry was an interesting place and they only do cast iron. They do very high quality castings and do a lot parts for people in our hobby. After the foundry we headed towards Sonora to visit Chris and see his collection. Neither Wayne or I had been there, but I had talked to Chris and he was expecting us to visit him. Lauren had been there once for a brief visit. Visiting Chris was almost worth the whole trip! He had engines all over the place and lots of old mining equipment as well. Lots of big engines as well some pretty rare and uncommon stuff. Had a great time looking at all his stuff and then was treated to a scary Jeep ride to visit his gold mine. Chris's place is on a hillside and he had told us his mine was on the other side of the hill and he'd show it to us after we finished looking at all the engines and old iron. The four of us, pile onto Chris's old Willys jeep and he drives part way up the hill and stops to start up a generator with powers the lights in the mine. We then continue up the hill. I had incorrectly assumed the other side of the hill was the same as the side we were coming from. Wrong! We get to the top and there is a beautiful view of a large reservoir/lake far below and the other side is basically a very steep drop-off. I notice an extremely steep road going down and mentally was hoping we weren't going that way, but of course that's exactly where we went. Going down I was hoping the transmission didn't pop out of gear as you'd never get stopped if it did. Part of the way down we reach a hairpin turn that even the little jeep can't make without some maneuvering around while you're hoping the brakes work well. After a tour of the mine shaft we had to ride the jeep back up that road. Going up was worse than going down, as Wayne and I are riding in the back and I'm watching the front end of the jeep wishing I was riding on the front bumper! I just kept thinking that the slightest bump on the front axle and the jeep would flip over and we'd all be killed. Must admit it is pretty amazing the climbing ability of those old jeeps. After Chris's tour we headed on to Tulare and arrived just in time for their Friday night hamburger feed. Saturday and Sunday morning we spent at the show and I'll leave it to others to comment on the show. Sunday afternoon we headed out around 2pm so we could visit some more collections on the way back. After getting some fuel at Ripon (cheapest diesel we saw in CA) we took a quick tour of Irv's collection of Holts and early tractors. Although Irv wasn't back from Tulare yet, I had been there many times and after talking to his wife she said we could walk around and look at the stuff. Wayne had never been there and I thought it was worth stopping just to let him see where Irv lived and his collection which is basically all outside anyway. After Irv's place we headed north again to Auburn for the second time to visit Ron and see his collection. I had talked to Ron at Tulare and he'd told us he was leaving at 1pm and we could visit him on the way back. As it turned out we caught up with Ron on the freeway just before he was exiting at Auburn. Made it simple to just follow him rather than using his directions. Neither Wayne or I had been to Ron's place before although I've known Ron for many years. Ron's place was real nice. Lots of interesting iron incorporated into the landscaping and a garage full of quality engines. Ron's an excellent example of what a person can do with limited space. After a late dinner with Ron we headed north again and spent the night at Williams. Monday morning the next stops were at Red Bluff to visit Larry. Both Wayne and I have known Larry for years, but Wayne had never been to Larry's place. We first went out to the ranch where Larry lives and saw a lot of early engines and mining equipment. Then Larry took us to another place where he has another collection of early California engines. Very impressive collection of rare engines. Years ago I met another collector in Red Bluff with a nice collection, but I don't really know the guy other than having stopped at his place a few times. However on our way to Larry's place I noticed we passed near this other collector so we also stopped there after visiting with Larry. Monday evening we get back to Wayne's place to drop him off and I continue on home to unload the pickup and get ready to be back at work Tuesday morning. While I enjoy the Tulare show, I must say I really enjoy to traveling to and from the show more. The stuff you see at people's homes is usually much more exotic or interesting than what is hauled to the show grounds. These visits are where you really get to know people and it makes traveling a memorable experience. If you only go to shows in your local area, you're really missing out on one of best parts of this hobby. Get out and travel, stop to visit collectors along the way and you'll really see what the hobby is about. WAIT George P.S. I've got pictures but haven't had time to even transfer them to my computer yet. I'll probably post a few of them to my Epson albums later. P.S.S. Anyone interested in doing a HOWT? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 11:04:57 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:04:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items Message-ID: I'm thinking about building a skid for my shingle mill. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html I'm going to mount it on two 6" x 10" beams with cross braces to keep the skid square. The 10" side of the beams will be against the ground. I know I should cut an angle on the bottom of the beams or it will just burry itself into the ground when pulling it around. I made some temporary skids for my big 9hp Sattley one time and it seems I cut them at 45 degrees. It seemed like too sharp of an angle and it just burried itself and didn't stay up on top of the ground. But I was pulling it flywheels first which was the heavy end. I looked at Craig Prucha's web pages and found this picture: http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/sswan409.jpg It looks like his skids are cut at a 45 on the ends and the skids are on a heavy item. It is also set up to be pulled from the head end which is lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an angle that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that works on heavier items? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 20 11:11:44 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:11:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <42669B60.5080401@imc-group.com> Ahh another believer! Plus this prevents tearing up the paint too badly when you tighten or remove the nut. Which was _the_ reason I did it. Curt Richard Strobel wrote: > Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, William >has made the hole too big . > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc > >Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything is >hunky doory: > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt > > > > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 11:45:33 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:45:33 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <42669B60.5080401@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hey Curt, I sent a message to the list showing an illustration, from an old manual, of the nut being installed with the flat against the material being fastened. You were in Australia at the time I think. Did you happen to see that post? http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:11:44 -0400 > >Ahh another believer! >Plus this prevents tearing up the paint too badly when you tighten or >remove the nut. Which was _the_ reason I did it. >Curt > >Richard Strobel wrote: > >> Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, William >>has made the hole too big . >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc >> >>Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything >>is hunky doory: >> >> >>http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 12:46:09 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: References: <42669B60.5080401@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <2822.165.206.180.144.1114026369.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Poor, poor old horse, ain't got any hair left! I just disassembled a 50' windmill tower - a Dempster, all original. Nuts had flat against the iron. A Piece of JD equipment (old disk) out back - same. My plow - same. :-) Yeah, we needed another me, too- couldn't resist, I guess - sorry. Bill > Hey Curt, I sent a message to the list showing an illustration, from an > old > manual, of the nut being installed with the flat against the material > being > fastened. You were in Australia at the time I think. Did you happen to see > that post? > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz >>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:11:44 -0400 >> >>Ahh another believer! >>Plus this prevents tearing up the paint too badly when you tighten or >>remove the nut. Which was _the_ reason I did it. >>Curt >> >>Richard Strobel wrote: >> >>> Turning the nut over has it's advantages. As you can see here, >>> William >>>has made the hole too big . >>> >>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/198576448EpElxc >>> >>>Turning the nut over has centered the eyebolt in the hole and everything >>>is hunky doory: >>> >>> >>>http://community.webshots.com/photo/198575839/198575839BpwZwt > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 12:45:36 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:45:36 -0400 Subject: Fw: Re: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <20050420.154536.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph L Betz To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:43:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [SEL] Give her a look folks Message-ID: <20050420.104325.316.7.jlb94 at juno.com> Looks good Jeff, I can't imagine taking on such a hugh project. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 20 12:51:19 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:51:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4266B2B7.5040909@imc-group.com> Luke, I did see it. Again the reason I turned the rounded corners toward the cart parts (no lockwashers) was to help save all the pretty paint on this sawrig. http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/6Hercules/Thumbnails.html You wouldn't believe all the friendly ribbing I've taken over the last year for my suggestion that this might have been the proper installation direction. At the very least, lots of folks have started looking at old iron as they take it apart for restoration. You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. As this past thread and the current thread on pinned rings shows, there are still lots of mysteries in our old hobby to ponder. Curt Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Hey Curt, I sent a message to the list showing an illustration, from > an old manual, of the nut being installed with the flat against the > material being fastened. You were in Australia at the time I think. > Did you happen to see that post? > > http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/tractor_plows/jd-1/plow_bolts/oliverboltheads.html > > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ===================== > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Apr 20 13:19:26 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:19:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long Message-ID: I'm sending this again as I sent it to both lists and it never showed up on this one. -----Original Message----- Last Thursday I left home around 3am to pick up Wayne for our Tulare trip. 4:01am we pulled out of Wayne's driveway headed south to California. Thursday afternoon we stop to visit Bill at Newcastle and see his collection. Bill's a good friend and I've visited him many times, but Wayne had never been there. Bill's got a nice collection of engines and tractors, as well as being a talented craftsman so seeing what he's working on is always interesting. Lauren met up with us at Bill's place, and we waited around until another collector I know was off from work. When Craig in Auburn got home from work, we went over to his place to see his collection and see what he's been working on. Neither Wayne or Lauren had been to Craig's place before. Craig showed us the Fairbanks-Morse hot tube assemblies and chimneys he reproduces which were very nice. After Craig's place we had a late dinner before spending the night at Galt. Friday morning we were on the road again and originally had planned on seeing Steve Gray's place before Steve headed south to Tulare, but plans changed and we went to the Sunshine Foundry in Valley Springs instead. (I let Steve know the night before that plans had changed). The Sunshine Foundry was an interesting place and they only do cast iron. They do very high quality castings and do a lot parts for people in our hobby. After the foundry we headed towards Sonora to visit Chris and see his collection. Neither Wayne or I had been there, but I had talked to Chris and he was expecting us to visit him. Lauren had been there once for a brief visit. Visiting Chris was almost worth the whole trip! He had engines all over the place and lots of old mining equipment as well. Lots of big engines as well some pretty rare and uncommon stuff. Had a great time looking at all his stuff and then was treated to a scary Jeep ride to visit his gold mine. Chris's place is on a hillside and he had told us his mine was on the other side of the hill and he'd show it to us after we finished looking at all the engines and old iron. The four of us, pile onto Chris's old Willys jeep and he drives part way up the hill and stops to start up a generator with powers the lights in the mine. We then continue up the hill. I had incorrectly assumed the other side of the hill was the same as the side we were coming from. Wrong! We get to the top and there is a beautiful view of a large reservoir/lake far below and the other side is basically a very steep drop-off. I notice an extremely steep road going down and mentally was hoping we weren't going that way, but of course that's exactly where we went. Going down I was hoping the transmission didn't pop out of gear as you'd never get stopped if it did. Part of the way down we reach a hairpin turn that even the little jeep can't make without some maneuvering around while you're hoping the brakes work well. After a tour of the mine shaft we had to ride the jeep back up that road. Going up was worse than going down, as Wayne and I are riding in the back and I'm watching the front end of the jeep wishing I was riding on the front bumper! I just kept thinking that the slightest bump on the front axle and the jeep would flip over and we'd all be killed. Must admit it is pretty amazing the climbing ability of those old jeeps. After Chris's tour we headed on to Tulare and arrived just in time for their Friday night hamburger feed. Saturday and Sunday morning we spent at the show and I'll leave it to others to comment on the show. Sunday afternoon we headed out around 2pm so we could visit some more collections on the way back. After getting some fuel at Ripon (cheapest diesel we saw in CA) we took a quick tour of Irv's collection of Holts and early tractors. Although Irv wasn't back from Tulare yet, I had been there many times and after talking to his wife she said we could walk around and look at the stuff. Wayne had never been there and I thought it was worth stopping just to let him see where Irv lived and his collection which is basically all outside anyway. After Irv's place we headed north again to Auburn for the second time to visit Ron and see his collection. I had talked to Ron at Tulare and he'd told us he was leaving at 1pm and we could visit him on the way back. As it turned out we caught up with Ron on the freeway just before he was exiting at Auburn. Made it simple to just follow him rather than using his directions. Neither Wayne or I had been to Ron's place before although I've known Ron for many years. Ron's place was real nice. Lots of interesting iron incorporated into the landscaping and a garage full of quality engines. Ron's an excellent example of what a person can do with limited space. After a late dinner with Ron we headed north again and spent the night at Williams. Monday morning the next stops were at Red Bluff to visit Larry. Both Wayne and I have known Larry for years, but Wayne had never been to Larry's place. We first went out to the ranch where Larry lives and saw a lot of early engines and mining equipment. Then Larry took us to another place where he has another collection of early California engines. Very impressive collection of rare engines. Years ago I met another collector in Red Bluff with a nice collection, but I don't really know the guy other than having stopped at his place a few times. However on our way to Larry's place I noticed we passed near this other collector so we also stopped there after visiting with Larry. Monday evening we get back to Wayne's place to drop him off and I continue on home to unload the pickup and get ready to be back at work Tuesday morning. While I enjoy the Tulare show, I must say I really enjoy to traveling to and from the show more. The stuff you see at people's homes is usually much more exotic or interesting than what is hauled to the show grounds. These visits are where you really get to know people and it makes traveling a memorable experience. If you only go to shows in your local area, you're really missing out on one of best parts of this hobby. Get out and travel, stop to visit collectors along the way and you'll really see what the hobby is about. WAIT George P.S. I've got pictures but haven't had time to even transfer them to my computer yet. I'll probably post a few of them to my Epson albums later. P.S.S. Anyone interested in doing a HOWT? To UN-subscribe, send a message to: stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org with: unsubscribe in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. From sel at antique-engine.com Wed Apr 20 16:34:52 2005 From: sel at antique-engine.com (Craig Prucha) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:34:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2005420163452.836650@computerone> Hi Luke, Here is a link to the full size photo of the Swan skid. http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/swan409.jpg Also, it's hard to see in the photo, but there is one cut at 45 deg. and then another at approx. 20 to 30 deg. from that. This gives the transition to the ground a more gradual angle... Craig On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:04:57 +0000, Luke Tonneberger wrote: >?I'm thinking about building a skid for my shingle mill. > >?http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html > >?I'm going to mount it on two 6" x 10" beams with cross braces to >?keep the skid square. The 10" side of the beams will be against the >?ground. I know I should cut an angle on the bottom of the beams or >?it will just burry itself into the ground when pulling it around. I >?made some temporary skids for my big 9hp Sattley one time and it >?seems I cut them at 45 degrees. It seemed like too sharp of an >?angle and it just burried itself and didn't stay up on top of the >?ground. But I was pulling it flywheels first which was the heavy >?end. I looked at Craig Prucha's web pages and found this picture: > >?http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/sswan409.jpg > >?It looks like his skids are cut at a 45 on the ends and the skids >?are on a heavy item. It is also set up to be pulled from the head >?end which is lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an >?angle that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that works >?on heavier items? > >?Luke Tonneberger >?Rockford, Michigan >?USA > > >?_______________________________________________ >?SEL mailing list >?SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >?http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Apr 20 13:36:53 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:36:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz Message-ID: <1a7.3636bd78.2f981765@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I just disassembled a 50' windmill tower - a Dempster, all original. >> Bill, I would love to have one of those at my house. The wind blows here on this hill all time. I know of one in a barn in Kingsport, Tennessee that came from Iowa. Been in the barn since about 1967. Maybe one day-wishful thinking! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From nick at holden1.net Wed Apr 20 13:40:37 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:40:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items References: Message-ID: <4266BE45.000001.01652@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Luke before Christmas i made a big skid 16ft x9ft to fit a horse shelter the angle i used for the ends was 30 degrees and it works ok puled round the field with a tractor Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper -------Original Message------- From: Luke Tonneberger Date: 04/20/05 19:16:50 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items I'm thinking about building a skid for my shingle mill. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/shinglemill/shinglemill.html I'm going to mount it on two 6" x 10" beams with cross braces to keep the skid square. The 10" side of the beams will be against the ground. I know I should cut an angle on the bottom of the beams or it will just burry itself into the ground when pulling it around. I made some temporary skids for my big 9hp Sattley one time and it seems I cut them at 45 degrees. It seemed like too sharp of an angle and it just burried itself and didn't stay up on top of the ground. But I was pulling it flywheels first which was the heavy end. I looked at Craig Prucha's web pages and found this picture: http://www.antique-engine.com/swan/sswan409.jpg It looks like his skids are cut at a 45 on the ends and the skids are on a heavy item. It is also set up to be pulled from the head end which is lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an angle that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that works on heavier items? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Apr 20 13:54:59 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:54:59 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long References: Message-ID: <001101c545eb$3b0dabf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Interesting tour George, pitty I sit at the other side of the pond. BTW this post came through at both lists. John H. > I'm sending this again as I sent it to both lists and it never showed up > on this one. > > -----Original Message----- > > Last Thursday I left home around 3am to pick up Wayne for our Tulare > trip. 4:01am we pulled out of Wayne's driveway headed south to > California. > > Thursday afternoon we stop to visit Bill at Newcastle and see his > collection. Bill's a good friend and I've visited him many times, but > Wayne had never been there. Bill's got a nice collection of engines and > tractors, as well as being a talented craftsman so seeing what he's > working on is always interesting. > > Lauren met up with us at Bill's place, and we waited around until > another collector I know was off from work. When Craig in Auburn got > home from work, we went over to his place to see his collection and see > what he's been working on. Neither Wayne or Lauren had been to Craig's > place before. Craig showed us the Fairbanks-Morse hot tube assemblies > and chimneys he reproduces which were very nice. > > After Craig's place we had a late dinner before spending the night at > Galt. > > Friday morning we were on the road again and originally had planned on > seeing Steve Gray's place before Steve headed south to Tulare, but plans > changed and we went to the Sunshine Foundry in Valley Springs instead. > (I let Steve know the night before that plans had changed). The > Sunshine Foundry was an interesting place and they only do cast iron. > They do very high quality castings and do a lot parts for people in our > hobby. > > After the foundry we headed towards Sonora to visit Chris and see his > collection. Neither Wayne or I had been there, but I had talked to > Chris and he was expecting us to visit him. Lauren had been there once > for a brief visit. > > Visiting Chris was almost worth the whole trip! He had engines all over > the place and lots of old mining equipment as well. Lots of big engines > as well some pretty rare and uncommon stuff. Had a great time looking at > all his stuff and then was treated to a scary Jeep ride to visit his > gold mine. > > Chris's place is on a hillside and he had told us his mine was on the > other side of the hill and he'd show it to us after we finished looking > at all the engines and old iron. The four of us, pile onto Chris's old > Willys jeep and he drives part way up the hill and stops to start up a > generator with powers the lights in the mine. We then continue up the > hill. I had incorrectly assumed the other side of the hill was the same > as the side we were coming from. Wrong! We get to the top and there is > a beautiful view of a large reservoir/lake far below and the other side > is basically a very steep drop-off. I notice an extremely steep road > going down and mentally was hoping we weren't going that way, but of > course that's exactly where we went. Going down I was hoping the > transmission didn't pop out of gear as you'd never get stopped if it > did. Part of the way down we reach a hairpin turn that even the little > jeep can't make without some maneuvering around while you're hoping the > brakes work well. After a tour of the mine shaft we had to ride the > jeep back up that road. Going up was worse than going down, as Wayne > and I are riding in the back and I'm watching the front end of the jeep > wishing I was riding on the front bumper! I just kept thinking that the > slightest bump on the front axle and the jeep would flip over and we'd > all be killed. Must admit it is pretty amazing the climbing ability of > those old jeeps. > > After Chris's tour we headed on to Tulare and arrived just in time for > their Friday night hamburger feed. > > Saturday and Sunday morning we spent at the show and I'll leave it to > others to comment on the show. > > Sunday afternoon we headed out around 2pm so we could visit some more > collections on the way back. After getting some fuel at Ripon (cheapest > diesel we saw in CA) we took a quick tour of Irv's collection of Holts > and early tractors. Although Irv wasn't back from Tulare yet, I had > been there many times and after talking to his wife she said we could > walk around and look at the stuff. Wayne had never been there and I > thought it was worth stopping just to let him see where Irv lived and > his collection which is basically all outside anyway. > > After Irv's place we headed north again to Auburn for the second time to > visit Ron and see his collection. I had talked to Ron at Tulare and he'd > told us he was leaving at 1pm and we could visit him on the way back. > As it turned out we caught up with Ron on the freeway just before he was > exiting at Auburn. Made it simple to just follow him rather than using > his directions. Neither Wayne or I had been to Ron's place before > although I've known Ron for many years. > > Ron's place was real nice. Lots of interesting iron incorporated into > the landscaping and a garage full of quality engines. Ron's an excellent > example of what a person can do with limited space. > > After a late dinner with Ron we headed north again and spent the night > at Williams. > > Monday morning the next stops were at Red Bluff to visit Larry. Both > Wayne and I have known Larry for years, but Wayne had never been to > Larry's place. We first went out to the ranch where Larry lives and saw > a lot of early engines and mining equipment. Then Larry took us to > another place where he has another collection of early California > engines. Very impressive collection of rare engines. > > Years ago I met another collector in Red Bluff with a nice collection, > but I don't really know the guy other than having stopped at his place a > few times. However on our way to Larry's place I noticed we passed near > this other collector so we also stopped there after visiting with Larry. > > Monday evening we get back to Wayne's place to drop him off and I > continue on home to unload the pickup and get ready to be back at work > Tuesday morning. > > While I enjoy the Tulare show, I must say I really enjoy to traveling to > and from the show more. The stuff you see at people's homes is usually > much more exotic or interesting than what is hauled to the show grounds. > These visits are where you really get to know people and it makes > traveling a memorable experience. > > If you only go to shows in your local area, you're really missing out on > one of best parts of this hobby. Get out and travel, stop to visit > collectors along the way and you'll really see what the hobby is about. > > WAIT George > > P.S. I've got pictures but haven't had time to even transfer them to my > computer yet. I'll probably post a few of them to my Epson albums > later. > > P.S.S. Anyone interested in doing a HOWT? > > > > > > To UN-subscribe, send a message to: > > stationary-engine-request at oldengine.org > with: > unsubscribe > in the subject of the message. Nothing else, no SIGs, etc. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Apr 20 14:50:39 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:50:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: <20050419214515.41653.qmail@web25008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005f01c545f2$feb1e240$00000003@x8h7l9> You guys are like me, figure out the hardest possible way and try it. Think of the pits in the crank a pockets to transport oil to help the lubrication so just leave them a lone. I am a novice on these old engines, but I think the best advice was to pore the bearings and scrape them. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > Hi Andy > > Use a dummy shaft, slightly smaller diameter than the original to give yourself a machining > allowance. > > > The shaft is badly pitted so it > > The JB will work fine in operation but I'm worried about it holding up the heat of pouring the > > bearing. > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 20 14:25:22 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:25:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure References: <20050419212543.55434.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <057801c545f3$4c97bf70$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Loctite is not up to the job with the shock loading of an I/C engine. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure > Luke > > Have you thought about using Loctite for building a crankshaft? Use > hi-strength type 638 and when > it has cured, cross pin the joints with a taper pin. Cleanliness is > imperative. Use acetone or > similar to clean the joint, make sure you don't touch the cleaned surfaces > with fingers or > anything oily. > > This method is used quite frequently when making model steam engine > crankshafts up to quite a > large size. > > Regards > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 18 18:08:32 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:08:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Silver Soldering Failure In-Reply-To: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050418094428d3cab9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42645A10.3070706@optusnet.com.au> Couple of little hints I've picked up along the way . . . 1. Sometimes I snip off a little bit of silver-solder rod and sit it near the joint, or even wrap a short length of rod around the fluxed joint, then apply heat just away from the joint. At a certain temperature, it melts in. Useful for heating in a forge. 2. Very tiddly jobs, like spectacle frames or jewelery, I make silver-solder filings, and mix them with flux, moisten to a paste and apply this to the area, then heat (judiciously, NOT in a forge!). 3. Joints like copper pipes/nipples, I sometimes pre-"tin" both surfaces with silver-solder, then gently press them together while heating. (Sometimes needs 3 hands!) Well, it works for me! JW?? From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 15:26:28 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:26:28 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042009222e704d33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504202226.j3KMQVHN001043@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Get a digital camera and spend a week or so taking shots and > evaluate what you see and what you shoot, that's the only way >to go. Books I don't find to be that useful, I've found books containing photograph collections to be extremely useful. Nowadays you could probably get just as good an education by searching the web. Some photographers' work I've found to be helpful are David Meunch, Joseph Meunch, Ansel Adams, Greg Epperson, Annie Leibovitz, Robert Maplethorpe... Look at them all, see how they compose their subject, how they make you look where they want you to look, how they use the light... By studying the work of pros, you'll get ideas on how you want your own photos to look. Also remember that these folks spend days and dozens of rolls of film just to get one shot. If mere mortals like you and me can get one good shot off a roll, we should be happy. In regards to shooting engines at shows, learn to settle for mediocrity. We have no control over backgrounds, lighting and clutter, so you're very lucky when you get a fabulous shot. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Apr 20 15:32:44 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:32:44 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long References: <001101c545eb$3b0dabf0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <000e01c545f8$e05526d0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Mini HOWT - long > > I'm sending this again as I sent it to both lists and it never showed up > > on this one. > Interesting tour George, pitty I sit at the other side > of the pond. > BTW this post came through at both lists. > John H. Same in England. Both lists OK. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 15:42:05 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:42:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504202242.j3KMg7JT006015@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > It is also set up to be pulled from the head end which is > lighter obviously than the flywheel end. Is there an angle > that you guys have used on the ends of your skids that > works on heavier items? Hi Luke, After seeing some pictures from an English engine show, I became enamored with their use of "platform skids." I put such a skid together for our Hornsby, seen at http://engines.rustyiron.com/cottonwood05 It worked out so well that I'm going to make one or two more such skids. Part of the attraction is the transverse tubes into which can be inserted axles, and then wheels attached. Such a skid might work well for your shingle mill. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 20 16:02:48 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Give her a look folks In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050420230248.66111.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jeff, I haven't yet found the names I am looking for but,,, WOW!!! This can only get better!!! I hope. 8>)) Thanks a bunch for the efforts you are making for this great hobby. Alan Bowen --- Jeff Allen wrote: > Hi all, > > I had a request for some of the patent pages in the book. No time like > the present to test the layout. Give it a look see here. It loads a > little slower with the navigation table, but I think it's needed. Page > by page, or back and forth between index and TOC and pages. All comments > welcome. Only 420 pages to go, plus the index and TOC. My OCR program is > pretty good, so I will save myself some thai ping. Enjoy, and comment!! > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/P401.html > > Jeff Allen > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Wed Apr 20 16:07:29 2005 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:07:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces References: Message-ID: <019d01c545fd$bb205d30$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi Richard, Lots of engines were made with wood shims. Not as elegant as machined caps and metal shims but works fine. If it came that way I would leave it that way. Jim Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:05 AM Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > I could do like William and just use SOFT wood shims that would conform > to the roughness, but maybe there's a better way, dunno. > > Any thought's?? From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 20 16:34:37 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:34:37 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces References: <019d01c545fd$bb205d30$b6ff3e04@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: I just might go with soft wood. Machining and bringing it up to modern standards would just ruin it for future generations. It was a combination of wood and thick paper. The saw arbor was also wood shims which I worked on today getting the blade to turn smooth. Thanks..that's good advise Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim and Diane" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > Hi Richard, > > Lots of engines were made with wood shims. Not as elegant as machined > caps > and metal shims but works fine. If it came that way I would leave it that > way. > > Jim > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hemet, CA > jd.kirkes at verizon.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "sel" > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:05 AM > Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > > > > I could do like William and just use SOFT wood shims that would conform > > to the roughness, but maybe there's a better way, dunno. > > > > Any thought's?? > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 16:40:36 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:40:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <4266B2B7.5040909@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that > on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the > rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. Hi Square Nutz! Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Apr 20 16:42:41 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts Message-ID: <000701c54602$a74a23e0$5186a5d8@mycomputer> Hi All; I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of the very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright shinny cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint them, instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast iron , it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , anybody do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a thread on this a while back but I missed most of it, Rex Hinz PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 20 16:43:08 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:43:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website References: <20050419.095127.324.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c54602$b4cdeb00$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Joe: I thought you did a great job. Maybe one day Steve and I will get off our duffs and do the same. You are a good inspiration. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph L Betz" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [SEL] Website > Hi List, > After about a month of frustration - This neophite computer illiterate > has finally created a website with oldengine. > > Take a look and critique - but - be gentle. > As Dave said - "Everyone's a virgin somewhere." > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "Taxes could be worse - suppose > \/)"(\/ we had to pay on what we thing we're worth." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 20 17:16:33 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:16:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <7a.71d24eef.2f984ae1@aol.com> Among the several Maytag parts I recently acquired was a Model 92 cylinder with a stuck piston. The previous owner told me that his father had tried to remove the piston with no success. On Monday, the first thing that I did was to fill the combustion chamber with automatic transmission fluid (ATF). Then, I installed a 1/2" to 1/8" pipe bushing (with a grease zerk) in the spark plug hole. Next, I used a grease gun to apply some internal pressure. Following this, I applied a little heat with a propane torch and let the unit sit until this morning. I applied more grease and heat. Then, the piston started to move. Once the piston got to exhaust port opening, ATF started to leak out. I made a cover plate for the port and able to continue until the intake port was starting to uncover. I, then, removed the pipe bushing, forced the piston back into the cylinder. Then I started the repressurizing and heating sequence again. This time when the piston got to intake port opening, I stopped using the grease gun and installed the J-hook the tool I made to pull out the piston. The piston is, now, soaking in carburetor cleaner to unstick the rings. The cylinder will, of course, need to be honed. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 17:52:09 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:52:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed Message-ID: <200504210052.j3L0qCkR045767@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> As a result of the recent discussion started by Jeff Allen, several folks decided that the engine community needs a searchable index of engine patents. It was decided to create a web page where you could search for an inventor, a device, a manufacturer or a patent date. Gone will be the days of searching patents one at a time, for hours on end, just to find one patent. Yes, it's a lofty goal and the list may not be complete in our lifetimes, but someone has to start sometime. Now is the time. We started yesterday and have the basic layout finished. You can visit the web page here: http://patents.rustyiron.com or http://www.rustyiron.com/patents/index.html Please check it out. At the bottom are our goals and the steps we will take to achieve them. Notice that we are currently using Hiscox's book so we can quickly make a large number of patents available. This is the book that Jeff is currently scanning. Hiscox has twenty seven pages of patent numbers, two columns per page, about forty numbers per column. That's a LOT of patents for a couple folks to search. I estimate that it takes about an hour and a half to compile data for one column. If we can get about 50 volunteers willing to spend an hour or two looking at old engine patents, we can complete this phase rather quickly. The data that we need from each of the engine patents is: Patent Number Inventor Invention Manufacturer (if known) Date patent was issued If you'd like to help in the creation of this resource, we would certainly appreciate the assistance. First, make sure you can view patents online by browsing our web page a little bit. If you decide that you'd like to assist, please email me directly at mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com Let me know whether you want one or two columns worth of numbers to research. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Apr 20 18:08:08 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:08:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts In-Reply-To: <000701c54602$a74a23e0$5186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <200504210108.j3L18Amf051241@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would > work on cast iron, it would look better and would not interfere > with the mag trip , anybody do this with good results ? Hi Rex, Kelley and I use blueing all the time on engine parts. Our best results using the chemical types has been with Brownell's Oxpho-Blue. The color is like a black stain for the metal. You can do a shoddy pre-cleaning and the metal will look well aged. If you keep re-cleaning and re-blueing, it will become very black. The color isn't blue. Don't overlook reverse-electrolysis. It's more economical on big parts and I think it gives a more antiquey finish. http://engines.rustyiron.com/electrolysis Rob From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 19:03:34 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:03:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <20050420.220441.880.1.jlb94@juno.com> Congrats Francis !!! Thanks for sharing and for the education. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Apr 20 19:01:19 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:01:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Website Message-ID: <20050420.220441.880.0.jlb94@juno.com> You are a good inspiration. = = = = = Thanks Mike, This all started because someone said "You need a website". No - I said - I have Webshots - And I started thinking - and looking at the OTHER websites on Oldengine. A friend gave me his Microsoft "Front Page" and said "give it a try" (but he has his reasons for this). After several frustrating days & nights that turned into weeks & months - I finally had something. Then I tried to link it all together - - - GOOD LUCK !!! - - - Like putting a puzzle together BACK SIDE UP !!! I'm sure I'll improve it - but for now - I need a rest. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 20 19:34:17 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:34:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint Message-ID: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> Ok Gang I am making an assumption that if you are reading this then you are not offended by my O.T. message. I have a small wooden model that is glued together I assume with standard type Elmer's wood glue. I want to take this model apart and use it as a pattern to make some more toys for the grandkids. Does anyone have any "Old Indian Tricks" or old wise tales on how to break apart a glue joint without damaging the part. Thanks for the help. Paul From FRM8198 at aol.com Wed Apr 20 19:46:07 2005 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:46:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <8b.25bb226a.2f986def@aol.com> In a message dated 04/20/2005 7:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: Thanks for sharing and for the education. Joe, The education comes from reading how others do a task and then adapting it to your own situation. I do not think I would have been able to this job without previous inputs from members of this list. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Apr 20 19:51:59 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:51:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 > >Arnie, >You've not burst my bubble :-) >Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun :-) >Curt >P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep over >the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? > > >Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Curt, >> >>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >>configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >>what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >>configuration. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >> >> >> >>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >>>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >>>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the >>>other. >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From djohn2 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 20 20:14:23 2005 From: djohn2 at bigpond.net.au (derek) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:44:23 +0930 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint References: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <000601c54620$3a113070$eac48890@chaos> warm water used to work well on pva glue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Maples" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint Ok Gang I am making an assumption that if you are reading this then you are not offended by my O.T. message. I have a small wooden model that is glued together I assume with standard type Elmer's wood glue. I want to take this model apart and use it as a pattern to make some more toys for the grandkids. Does anyone have any "Old Indian Tricks" or old wise tales on how to break apart a glue joint without damaging the part. Thanks for the help. Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 20:34:59 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:34:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504210335.j3L3Z4xU005362@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> They were loony and knew not what they were doing? Who knows! They either had their reasons, or they didn't care, or it didn't matter, or they were new and didn't know better. And why would anyone have pulled it apart 70 years ago and reversed all of the nuts? I guess unless we find an old engineering book that details such things................. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Steve Royster Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 9:52 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 > >Arnie, >You've not burst my bubble :-) >Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun >:-) Curt P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the >engineers at Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? > > >Arnie Fero wrote: > >>Hi Curt, >> >>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows >>that configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the >>ends of what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's >>the normal configuration. >> >>See ya, Arnie >> >>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >> >>Arnie Fero >>Pittsburgh, PA >>fero_ah at city-net.com >> >>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >> >> >> >>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have >>>helped me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, >>>why did the engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. >>>45? angle instead of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both >>>written, to solve the strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in >>>conjunction with a butt end gap would create, the solution was to >>>make the gap on a 45?. This assured the ring was wiping completely >>>around the cylinder and would not leave an unworn ridge down the >>>length of the cylinder. Seems kind of obvious now, but until I >>>digested both of your points I had never put the pieces together >>>enough to realize that one was a function of the other. >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 20:39:25 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:39:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200504210339.j3L3dTQm007086@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> So there we have it............... Is a reason given? And why if that's proper do we see items that left the factory with it both ways? Perhaps because in the larger scheme of things, for some items it simply didn't matter? Does it matter now? Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Rob Skinner Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:41 PM To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that on their > piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the rounded edge toward > the surface being clamped. Hi Square Nutz! Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Apr 20 20:43:40 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:43:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <1a7.3636bd78.2f981765@aol.com> Message-ID: <200504210343.j3L3hjVq008800@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> The problem is that I got a decent enough (needs all new babbit and a couple of blades) Aeromotor head. It's restorable, cost me $25. However, had no tower. Barbara wants a windmill really bad. So I found a tower cheap - but it's not pretty, sort of needs restored (straighten a couple of parts, paint, etc.), and was way too tall. Bringing that baby down and getting it on the trailer was fun. Hauling it 60 miles down the interstate even more fun. So I brought it home on the trailer, tore apart the bottom 20' I'm not going to use, and will some day get the rest of the tower fixed up. The problem becomes, how to mount an Aeromotor head on a Dempster tower! (I know, I know - with square nuts....) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Germoamer at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:37 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In a message dated 4/20/2005 4:20:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << I just disassembled a 50' windmill tower - a Dempster, all original. >> Bill, I would love to have one of those at my house. The wind blows here on this hill all time. I know of one in a barn in Kingsport, Tennessee that came from Iowa. Been in the barn since about 1967. Maybe one day-wishful thinking! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 20 20:56:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:56:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050420234511.04661c20@mail.alltel.net> Hi Steve, Many workers in the Hercules plant had a drinking problem. (Karch did not report this in his book out of respect for the many widows that they left behind.) In any event, this problem led to many carts being put together improperly on Mondays and Fridays. Not only were there instances of nuts being put on upside down, but there were also instances of left side wheels being put on the right side of the carts and visa-versa. I suggest that the cart that you took apart was likely built on either a Monday or a Friday. Did you notice which side the wheels were on? Dave PS, Glenn and I discussed this problem at several shows last year and we both agree that it's a terrible thing to have your nuts on upside down! At 10:51 PM 4/20/2005, you wrote: >Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules >cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover >side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never >been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were >thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. > >>From: Curt >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 >> >>Arnie, >>You've not burst my bubble :-) >>Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >>Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun :-) >>Curt >>P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >>Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >>P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >>over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? >> >> >>Arnie Fero wrote: >> >>>Hi Curt, >>> >>>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >>>configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >>>what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >>>configuration. >>> >>>See ya, Arnie >>> >>>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >>> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >>> >>>Arnie Fero >>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>fero_ah at city-net.com >>> >>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>>>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>>>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle instead >>>>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>>>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>>>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>>>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would not >>>>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>>>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>>>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the other. >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 20 21:02:16 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:02:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> References: <200504150407.j3F47kt1065913@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <002b01c541d4$f7545ae0$5554becf@computer> <1952.165.206.180.102.1113584967.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <42600109.5090601@imc-group.com> <2294.165.206.180.102.1113590629.squirrel@antique-engines.com> <426526BC.3070002@imc-group.com> <42666E3C.3080106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050420235622.046b5c98@mail.alltel.net> >Curt >P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? Hi Curt, Take a long and hard look at the Hercules piston you are having cast. Then think long and hard about your 2nd PS (ie P.P.S.) If you fail to see some problem with what you have typed ask Missy. I'm sure that an engineer can explain the difficulty to you! Dave From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Apr 20 23:09:13 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:09:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy In-Reply-To: <200504191231.j3JCVJlr009125@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <200504210609.j3L69Juq059060@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> I gave the little engine a good clean up last night. I also unstuck the rings and found an intake valve spring for it. It now has good compression. After a lot of careful cleaning with kero and a paintbrush I oiled it up and it looks very nice. A lot of original paint and lining :) http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html New pics at the bottom of the page. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Apr 21 02:43:21 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:43:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover Message-ID: <067b01c54656$90fc41f0$0201010a@Portable> After beginning work on a little Cooper/Stover KA in February it run for the first time an hour ago. Just hooked up the fuel and a bit of fiddling with the mixture needle it took straight off. I do have a problem with the governor. Its not latching the push rod at all. The governor weights are free to throw out but they don't push the shaft out to contact the latch lever. When stopped everything seems free and feels OK. Anyone got any clues as to what's wrong? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From brock at netspeed.com.au Thu Apr 21 03:05:09 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:05:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover References: <067b01c54656$90fc41f0$0201010a@Portable> Message-ID: <002601c54659$9b2cdf10$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Ray make sure when you pull gov weights back make sure that there is a nuff travel so that the detent arm latchs in also if you screw the adjust bolt down on the top of the govenor hope that helps Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: [SEL] Cooper/Stover After beginning work on a little Cooper/Stover KA in February it run for the first time an hour ago. Just hooked up the fuel and a bit of fiddling with the mixture needle it took straight off. I do have a problem with the governor. Its not latching the push rod at all. The governor weights are free to throw out but they don't push the shaft out to contact the latch lever. When stopped everything seems free and feels OK. Anyone got any clues as to what's wrong? Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 21 04:19:40 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:19:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint References: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> <000601c54620$3a113070$eac48890@chaos> Message-ID: <002501c54664$04e15f80$230110ac@PAUL> Thanks Derek, your recommendation is the second one I have received regarding using water to loosen the joint. I will give this a try and let you know if it works. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "derek" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint > warm water used to work well on pva glue. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Apr 21 04:28:07 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:28:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <029501c54521$fa4b3fc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> <000701c544d9$b27792e0$b09681cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050421212659.02ed8090@mail.netconnect.com.au> >Is it legal to steal? >Reg & Marg Ingold. Yes apparently but only if you are a big business leader or a politician! ;) Regards, Mark *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Apr 21 04:31:33 2005 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:31:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shed Invasions In-Reply-To: <4264F083.9080807@steamengine.com.au> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> <5.1.0.14.0.20050417215222.0288c8e8@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20050421212840.02f4c698@mail.netconnect.com.au> My father tried that once with roaming dogs messing with our tin rubbish bins. Only problem was, he had to test it to make sure it was working... enough said as to what resulted! No wonder any of his cattle horses were fence shy - too used to being backed in to see if the fence was alive. Ah, rural life. Us city slickers in the modern age miss out on so much! Regards, Mark At 09:50 PM 4/19/2005 +1000, Paul Pavlinovich wrote: >People who listen closely to my sheds when it is quiet will here the 'tick >'tick 'tick of the electric fence generator :)... picked up a bull proof >electric fence generator at a clearing sale for $10 - may as well use it >for something. > >Paul *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:48:56 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:48:56 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz Message-ID: <19a.32486494.2f98ed28@aol.com> In a message dated 4/21/2005 12:21:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill at antique-engines.com writes: << The problem becomes, how to mount an Aeromotor head on a Dempster tower! (I know, I know - with square nuts.... >> Bill, Of course the second problem is which way to position the square nuts, rounded side down or up???? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:52:08 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:52:08 EDT Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <1c1.26c52064.2f98ede8@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FRM8198 at aol.com writes: << I stopped using the grease gun and installed the J-hook the tool I made to pull out the piston. >> Francis, Always a good day when a plan comes together and the ancient engine comes apart! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 04:49:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:49:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed References: <200504210052.j3L0qCkR045767@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Nice job Rob. On several occastions when looking at the BPB, Wendel mentions patent numbers. As I run across these, I will keep you in mind. Also in my limited experience, some tags have patent numbers on them i.e. Galloway. I've looked at these patents and some don't have much to do with the actual engine the tag is on. Do you want those also? "Good Stuff" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed > As a result of the recent discussion started by Jeff Allen, several folks > decided that the engine community needs a searchable index of engine > patents. > It was decided to create a web page where you could search for an > inventor, a > device, a manufacturer or a patent date. > > Gone will be the days of searching patents one at a time, for hours on > end, just > to find one patent. Yes, it's a lofty goal and the list may not be > complete in > our lifetimes, but someone has to start sometime. Now is the time. > > We started yesterday and have the basic layout finished. You can visit > the web > page here: > http://patents.rustyiron.com or > http://www.rustyiron.com/patents/index.html > > Please check it out. At the bottom are our goals and the steps we will > take to > achieve them. Notice that we are currently using Hiscox's book so we can > quickly make a large number of patents available. This is the book that > Jeff is > currently scanning. > > Hiscox has twenty seven pages of patent numbers, two columns per page, > about > forty numbers per column. That's a LOT of patents for a couple folks to > search. > I estimate that it takes about an hour and a half to compile data for one > column. If we can get about 50 volunteers willing to spend an hour or two > looking at old engine patents, we can complete this phase rather quickly. > > The data that we need from each of the engine patents is: > Patent Number > Inventor > Invention > Manufacturer (if known) > Date patent was issued > > If you'd like to help in the creation of this resource, we would certainly > appreciate the assistance. First, make sure you can view patents online > by > browsing our web page a little bit. If you decide that you'd like to > assist, > please email me directly at mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com Let me know > whether > you want one or two columns worth of numbers to research. > > Thanks. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Apr 21 04:58:53 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:58:53 EDT Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces Message-ID: <1e8.399a85f2.2f98ef7d@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:31:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: << I just might go with soft wood >> Rick, Another consideration is some good gasket material which I have used in the past. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From mmco at cox-internet.com Thu Apr 21 05:32:01 2005 From: mmco at cox-internet.com (MMCO) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:32:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. How to Loosen a Glue Joint In-Reply-To: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> References: <017301c5461a$af0e2140$230110ac@PAUL> Message-ID: <42679D41.7040902@cox-internet.com> Back when I was building model planes and using ELMER S white wood glue , I would soak the item in Ammonia to loosen the glue . Once I had it apart , I would wash it with clean water , let it dry , then start all over again . One word of caution , nothing is garenteed . Bo Hinch Paul Maples wrote: > Ok Gang I am making an assumption that if you are reading this then you are not offended by my O.T. message. I have a small wooden model that is glued together I assume with standard type Elmer's wood glue. I want to take this model apart and use it as a pattern to make some more toys for the grandkids. Does anyone have any "Old Indian Tricks" or old wise tales on how to break apart a glue joint without damaging the part. Thanks for the help. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 05:27:05 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:27:05 -0600 Subject: [SEL] USPTO test Message-ID: http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1F926EEA Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 05:19:06 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:19:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed References: <200504210052.j3L0qCkR045767@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Rob, here are 6 numbers off the Gal tag which don't appear on your list. 563,140 577,158 583,982 604,405 648,122 723,540 Now does it help for me to look them up and forward to you, or what? Glad to help RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: [SEL] PATENTS - New Online Resource - YOUR help is needed > As a result of the recent discussion started by Jeff Allen, several folks > decided that the engine community needs a searchable index of engine > patents. > It was decided to create a web page where you could search for an > inventor, a > device, a manufacturer or a patent date. > > Gone will be the days of searching patents one at a time, for hours on > end, just > to find one patent. Yes, it's a lofty goal and the list may not be > complete in > our lifetimes, but someone has to start sometime. Now is the time. > > We started yesterday and have the basic layout finished. You can visit > the web > page here: > http://patents.rustyiron.com or > http://www.rustyiron.com/patents/index.html > > Please check it out. At the bottom are our goals and the steps we will > take to > achieve them. Notice that we are currently using Hiscox's book so we can > quickly make a large number of patents available. This is the book that > Jeff is > currently scanning. > > Hiscox has twenty seven pages of patent numbers, two columns per page, > about > forty numbers per column. That's a LOT of patents for a couple folks to > search. > I estimate that it takes about an hour and a half to compile data for one > column. If we can get about 50 volunteers willing to spend an hour or two > looking at old engine patents, we can complete this phase rather quickly. > > The data that we need from each of the engine patents is: > Patent Number > Inventor > Invention > Manufacturer (if known) > Date patent was issued > > If you'd like to help in the creation of this resource, we would certainly > appreciate the assistance. First, make sure you can view patents online > by > browsing our web page a little bit. If you decide that you'd like to > assist, > please email me directly at mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com Let me know > whether > you want one or two columns worth of numbers to research. > > Thanks. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner > La Habra, California > mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com > http://www.rustyiron.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 05:37:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:37:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces References: <1e8.399a85f2.2f98ef7d@aol.com> Message-ID: Yes Tom..or how about some petroleum resistant, say 1/8th inch rubber? Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Advice needed on Main Bearing mating surfaces > In a message dated 4/20/2005 8:31:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > << I just might go with soft wood >> > Rick, > > Another consideration is some good gasket material which I have used in > the > past. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Apr 21 06:15:56 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:15:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.104325.316.6.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4267A78C.6010909@fidnet.com> Joe, Another point that others haven't mentioned yet is using Spot Metering. You set your camera to read the light available at a single point, rather than averaging the light available in the whole pic. You can then vary the light registering on the image by pointing at a dark part of what you are photographing or at a lighter point on the object. The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot using spot metering. Gary Joseph L Betz wrote: > Great Pics Pete, > > Why is it that when someone else takes pics - they look great ? > > When I take them - Not so great ? > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz > ,-._,-. "What I can do, > \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 06:20:21 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:21 -0600 Subject: [SEL] USPTO test References: Message-ID: Ok Rob..that works..Does that take the work load off I'll post the 5 other ones soon Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 6:27 AM Subject: [SEL] USPTO test > http://makeashorterlink.com/?X1F926EEA > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 06:32:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:32:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] patent numbers Message-ID: 563140 http://makeashorterlink.com/?S22B62EEA 583982 http://makeashorterlink.com/?U37B23EEA 604405 http://makeashorterlink.com/?M19B42EEA 648122 http://makeashorterlink.com/?I1AB62EEA 723540 http://makeashorterlink.com/?V4DB16EEA The 6th one was the test. Hope this works and helps..copied off a 5hp roundrod Gal tag. RickinMt. From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 21 08:25:30 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:25:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Good Day Today! Message-ID: <20050421.114217.1012.7.jlb94@juno.com> That's why I said, "Thanks for the education" ;-) Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Apr 21 08:41:56 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:41:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures Message-ID: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot using spot metering. = = = = = = Spot metering ? I don't mean to sound ignorant - but - Most of my pictures are shot by the "point & shot" method. Then - Hope for the best. Thanks Gary Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 09:00:39 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:00:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts In-Reply-To: <000701c54602$a74a23e0$5186a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: Stove polish looks nice also! Steve >From: "Rex Hinz" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > >Hi All; > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of >the >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright shinny >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint them, >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast iron >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , anybody >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a thread >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > >Rex Hinz > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 10:10:57 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:10:57 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Skids for Heavy Items In-Reply-To: <4266BE45.000001.01652@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Nick, Rob, and Craig, Thanks for the responses. You've given me something to chew on. I'm thinking maybe a combination of all. I really like Rob's platform skid and the idea of wheels for easy loading and unloading. Maybe take the bottom of the platform skid and cut the 45 and 30 degree angles like Craig and Nick suggested for easy pulling if need be. I'll think it over and let ya know what I come up with. Thanks. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "nick" > >Hi Luke >before Christmas i made a big skid 16ft x9ft to fit a horse shelter the >angle i used for >the ends was 30 degrees and it works ok puled round the field with a >tractor > >Nick Holden >Banbury >Oxfordshire (UK) >nick at holden1.net >http://community.webshots.com/user/moxydumper From andyglines at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 11:11:16 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:11:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: <200504201000.j3KA07JW023136@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food for thought. Thank you! BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels on my Huber steamer. >Message: 38 >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) >From: Arnie Fero >Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Hi Andy, > >As an alternative to JBWeld, McMaster-Carr lists a couple of high >temperature epoxy putties. One for aluminum rated to 1400 deg.F and one >for cast iron, steel, and stainless rated to 2000 deg.F. Under $30 for 8 >oz. Look for 7356A33 (or 7356A32 for the aluminum). >http://www.mcmaster.com/ > >They also carry the high temperature titanium Devcon rated to 350 deg.F. >That's a bit higher at $65 for a pound. > >Realistically, you could probably use the JBWeld also. The worst that >could happen is that some of it burns out leaving a lesser pit than you >have now. You'd still need to scrape that as Larry describes, but it >would probably be less scraping than if you left the pits unfilled. > >What diameter is the shaft? If it's beefy, the heat sink effect of the >shaft would probably conduct enough heat away that the JBWeld wouldn't be >badly damaged. > >Or just drop $30 and go for the high temperature stuff. 8-)) > >See ya, Arnie From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 11:25:57 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:25:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <200504202226.j3KMQVHN001043@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605042009222e704d33@mail.gmail.com> <200504202226.j3KMQVHN001043@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042111252bc3884d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Rob Skinner wrote: In regards to shooting engines at shows, learn to settle for mediocrity. We > have no control over backgrounds, lighting and clutter, so you're very > lucky > when you get a fabulous shot. > > =-=-=-=-=-= > Rob Skinner Why accept mediocrity? That is not a recommendation I would like to live with. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Thu Apr 21 12:01:13 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:01:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050420234511.04661c20@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: Yes Dave, You hit it right on. The axles were reversed with the right on left and the left on right and everytime I pulled it down the driveway the nuts unscrewed themselves and the wheels fell off. I can't figger out how to fix this problem so I push it now insterad of pulling it to shows! But on Mondays and Fridays it doesn't seem to matter very much. The Oystered Cloister >From: Dave Rotigel >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:56:05 -0400 > >Hi Steve, > Many workers in the Hercules plant had a drinking problem. (Karch >did not report this in his book out of respect for the many widows that >they left behind.) In any event, this problem led to many carts being put >together improperly on Mondays and Fridays. Not only were there instances >of nuts being put on upside down, but there were also instances of left >side wheels being put on the right side of the carts and visa-versa. > I suggest that the cart that you took apart was likely built on >either a Monday or a Friday. Did you notice which side the wheels were on? > Dave >PS, Glenn and I discussed this problem at several shows last year and we >both agree that it's a terrible thing to have your nuts on upside down! > >At 10:51 PM 4/20/2005, you wrote: >>Speaking of the square nuts thread..... I recently took apart a Hercules >>cart and guess what? every single square nut was on with the roundover >>side down! and I guarantee with all the rust I encountered , it had never >>been apart before! So, who knows what those Hercules engineers were >>thinking? Steve in Asheville, N.C. >> >>>From: Curt >>>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>>To: The SEL email discussion list >>>Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >>>Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 10:59:08 -0400 >>> >>>Arnie, >>>You've not burst my bubble :-) >>>Just threw it out there to see what lively conversation might come of it. >>>Recall the installation direction for square nuts thread? That was fun >>>:-) >>>Curt >>>P.S. I might not be wrong. How are we to guess what the engineers at >>>Hercules were thinking a 100 years ago? >>>P.P.S. I cannot recall....does the top ring on the smallest Herc sweep >>>over the ignitor hole at TDC? Might that be the reason for pinning? >>> >>> >>>Arnie Fero wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Curt, >>>> >>>>Sorry to burst your bubble bro. I don't think the angled ends were >>>>anything like universal on pinned rings. The Robertsonville shows that >>>>configuration, but the Bessemer has a semi-circular notch in the ends of >>>>what are otherwise butt-end rings. According to Craig that's the normal >>>>configuration. >>>> >>>>See ya, Arnie >>>> >>>>PS - one of the great tragedies of life is the murder of a beautiful >>>> theory by a gang of brutal facts. 8-)) >>>> >>>>Arnie Fero >>>>Pittsburgh, PA >>>>fero_ah at city-net.com >>>> >>>>On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Curt wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>After digesting what both of you have written so well, you have helped >>>>>me answered a question I have had for a long time. That is, why did the >>>>>engine manufactures make the ring gaps with an approx. 45? angle >>>>>instead >>>>>of butt ends? Bearing in mind what you have both written, to solve the >>>>>strange wear pattern that a pinned ring in conjunction with a butt end >>>>>gap would create, the solution was to make the gap on a 45?. This >>>>>assured the ring was wiping completely around the cylinder and would >>>>>not >>>>>leave an unworn ridge down the length of the cylinder. Seems kind of >>>>>obvious now, but until I digested both of your points I had never put >>>>>the pieces together enough to realize that one was a function of the >>>>>other. >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>SEL mailing list >>>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Apr 21 12:21:50 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:21:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042111252bc3884d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504211921.j3LJLrUQ085602@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Why accept mediocrity? That is not a recommendation > I would like to live with. You're right, Peter. It's always possible to get up before dawn, set up your camera, move all the clutter from someone's display, take down the ropes, put up new ropes to keep people away, and then wait for the perfect light, and then take as many pictures as possible, using as many combinations of apertures, shutter speeds and focus as possible -- all before the light changes. I suppose if you want to take it a step further, you could set up another camera or two with different film, just to give you more flexibility. Or you can use the Richard Backus technique. He wanders over to an engine owner, smiles, then says, "Y'know, it would be really nice if you were to drag your engine a quarter mile over to the north. I would like to see it to the left of that tree, in a north-south orientation, and I would like it there between 4:50 p.m. and 5:05 p.m." Then people scramble like crazed, pyramid-building Egyptians to move the engine to the exact spot requested. The technique seems to work. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to get up before the crack of dawn and I'm not charismatic enough to get people to move iron around at my whims. Therefore, I'm doomed to produce images of mediocre quality. Such is my fate, and I've learned to accept it. Rob From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 21 12:21:18 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:21:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: Message-ID: Hi Steve; This subject came up several years ago and what I use is Dry Spray Moly in a rattle can. It seems to protect against rust yet lubricates, and can be somewhat polished up. I usually spray it on a warm surface and let it dry for several hours before rubbing it with a soft cloth. It will not rub off on you when polished and seems resistent to gas and oils used with the old engines, and can be removed with some of the stronger solvents. I've used it on valve stems, gears, pushrods, and various other places. Her's some pix's of it on the sawrig: http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200715640wmGDeW http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200716731qKKXTa here's some I used on Eco http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76455331imPOHM Some people would like to try this on their squeaky trailer hitch balls and avoid the greasy mess. The bad news...I no longer know where to get it, but Spudhead is doing some research with the old work. "Works for me" RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Economy moving parts > Stove polish looks nice also! Steve > > >From: "Rex Hinz" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: > >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > > > >Hi All; > > > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of > >the > >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , > >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted > >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to > >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium > >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright > >shinny > >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint > >them, > >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast > >iron > >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , > >anybody > >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a > >thread > >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > > > >Rex Hinz > > > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Apr 21 12:41:33 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:41:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426801ED.5090600@imc-group.com> OK Andy if you think this is a really dumb idea then just delete it. I gather the reason you've decided to not replace the short jackshaft is cost??? Since you are concerned about filling in the pits (I'd blast and use titanium Devcon) and have learned that JB won't take the pre-heat for babbitt pouring. How about this. Before filling the pits, carefully cut and wrap the shaft with a piece of .003 or .004 thick stainless shim. Have it extend and inch or more beyond the bushing area and use a pair of hose clamps to hold it in place. You might have to use thinner material and do a couple of wraps to get it to lay flat. The idea is that you will have a super slick surface to pour against and this will also build in the proper running clearance. Once you've poured, then you can remove the shaft and stainless shim stock, sand blast the pits in the bushing portion of the shaft and use the titanium Devcon. You may have to enlist the help of a friend with a lathe to finish the Devcon. It is damned tough stuff. A file isn't real effective! I have no experience using stainless as a babbitt form and only toss it out there as a possibility. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Could you use a piece of thin wall 3 1/2" DOM tubing as a dummy shaft for pouring? That should be cheap enough..... Andy Glines wrote: > As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for > ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that > leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is > actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface > on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water > got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the > rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will > result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the > bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the > bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further > investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put > them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy > shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher > temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" > about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of > sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler > would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure > that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food > for thought. Thank you! > BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels > on my Huber steamer. > >> Message: 38 >> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) >> From: Arnie Fero >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >> To: The SEL email discussion list >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> >> Hi Andy, >> >> As an alternative to JBWeld, McMaster-Carr lists a couple of high >> temperature epoxy putties. One for aluminum rated to 1400 deg.F and one >> for cast iron, steel, and stainless rated to 2000 deg.F. Under $30 >> for 8 >> oz. Look for 7356A33 (or 7356A32 for the aluminum). >> http://www.mcmaster.com/ >> >> They also carry the high temperature titanium Devcon rated to 350 deg.F. >> That's a bit higher at $65 for a pound. >> >> Realistically, you could probably use the JBWeld also. The worst that >> could happen is that some of it burns out leaving a lesser pit than you >> have now. You'd still need to scrape that as Larry describes, but it >> would probably be less scraping than if you left the pits unfilled. >> >> What diameter is the shaft? If it's beefy, the heat sink effect of the >> shaft would probably conduct enough heat away that the JBWeld >> wouldn't be >> badly damaged. >> >> Or just drop $30 and go for the high temperature stuff. 8-)) >> >> See ya, Arnie > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 13:33:42 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:33:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <200504211921.j3LJLrUQ085602@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <6f60251605042111252bc3884d@mail.gmail.com> <200504211921.j3LJLrUQ085602@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504211333ab21df3@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Rob Skinner wrote: > Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to get up before the crack of dawn and I'm not > charismatic enough to get people to move iron around at my whims. > Therefore, I'm doomed to produce images of mediocre quality. Such is my fate, > and I've learned to accept it. > > Rob Hmmm, I don't know whether to take those statements as read or not. It certainly raises questions over other matters. I do remember Richard and Tommy's engine at Portland last year... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Apr 21 21:49:56 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:49:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards Message-ID: <004a01c546f6$bdbb6040$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Those of you who knew my very good friend, Clinton Edwards, of Ellisville MS, will be saddened to hear that he died of cancer this morning. I have phoned my condolences to Tena and his son, Rusty. He is one mate I will miss badly. We did a lot together over the years and always had a laugh. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 22:35:20 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:35:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot > using spot metering. > = = = = = = > Spot metering ? I don't mean to sound ignorant - but - > Most of my pictures are shot by the "point & shot" method. > Then - Hope for the best. > > Thanks Gary > > Joe "Pip" Betz Joe: Spot metering is where the camera exposure system looks at only a small part of the picture area to determine the exposure, rather than the whole area that you can see when pointing the camera. It allows you to adjust for backlit items where the overall picture would be overexposed by the average light level. Most cameras also allow you to take an exposure reading off a surface or area and hold it while taking the picture. All of our Mavica cameras have spot metering and exposure hold, it is a useful feature and common on most cameras. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Thu Apr 21 22:40:07 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:40:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Website In-Reply-To: <20050420.220441.880.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050420.220441.880.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042122405f56a52a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/21/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > > This all started because someone said "You need a website". > No - I said - I have Webshots - And I started thinking - and looking at > the OTHER websites on > Oldengine. > > A friend gave me his Microsoft "Front Page" and said "give it a try" (but > he has his reasons for this). > > After several frustrating days & nights that turned into weeks & months - > I finally had something. > > Then I tried to link it all together - - - GOOD LUCK !!! - - - Like > putting a puzzle together > BACK SIDE UP !!! > > I'm sure I'll improve it - but for now - I need a rest. > > Joe "Pip" Betz Joe: Writing your own site is great fun and the HTML code is really easy to work out. O'Reilly do a very good HTML book, it's worth getting so you can 'roll your own'. The code produced by Microsoft Word and other programmes is too complex for basic stuff, and the file sizes are inflated compared with doing your own. Most of our site uses the same basic 6 pages of code which we saved as templates, all we do then is fill in the photo file names and adjust the sizes. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Apr 22 02:52:14 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:52:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >Yes Dave, You hit it right on. The axles were reversed with the >right on left and the left on right and everytime I pulled it down >the driveway the nuts unscrewed themselves and the wheels fell off. >I can't figger out how to fix this problem so I push it now >insterad of pulling it to shows! But on Mondays and Fridays it >doesn't seem to matter very much. The Oystered Cloister Steve, As you know, I'm looking for a Herc. straight frame cart. The good thing is that I'm left handed so everything here at our house is used to operating backwards compared to the rest of the world. So, your cart would function perfectly here at my place! Let me know when you'll be at home and I'll come load that defective cart and bring it back to my own little bizarro world where it will live as normal of a life as it possibly can. Glad to be able to help out, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From jbcast at charter.net Fri Apr 22 04:17:02 2005 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:17:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards Message-ID: <41dmfb$pqs2q7@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Those of you who knew my very good friend, Clinton Edwards, of Ellisville > MS, will be saddened to hear that he died of cancer this morning. > I have phoned my condolences to Tena and his son, Rusty. > He is one mate I will miss badly. We did a lot together over the years and > always had a laugh. > Reg & Marg Ingold. Reg, I met Clinton through Anthony Goodrum, was sorry to hear this. I think his place was a stop after your Portland trip. Another of your southern friends, Nick Bettivy, is in the hospital with last stages of lung cancer, went to see him two weeks ago and he's gone down since. J.B. Castagnos From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Apr 22 05:37:27 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:37:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] McDonald parts Message-ID: <075901c54738$0b44dc10$0201010a@Portable> For the Aussie list members. Got a mate chasing new valves for a SPI McDonald. Anyone know a source of new parts? There is a cummins valve thats close but he would prefer to buy a valve that he can fit without having to modify Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 22 06:44:40 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:44:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards Message-ID: <20050422.100132.112.3.jlb94@juno.com> Sorry Reg, We'll add a few extra prayers for him. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jnyost at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 07:47:09 2005 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] McDonald parts In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050422144710.12360.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Ray, What fun would that be if you did not have to modify something? Just kiddin!! Jim --- Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring wrote: > For the Aussie list members. Got a mate chasing new > valves for a SPI McDonald. Anyone know a source of > new parts? There is a cummins valve thats close but > he would prefer to buy a valve that he can fit > without having to modify > > Ray Freeman > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 07:47:20 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:47:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about all I know of it's history. I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit for awhile. Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? WAIT George From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 09:26:37 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:26:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605042209267e5034b8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Best, George wrote: > On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. > Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about > all I know of it's history. > Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise > on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > > WAIT George Hi George: The two biggest considerations are bearings and brushes, most other things are nearly always surmountable with care. The brushes will probably be non-carbon types, usually a wad of copper wires that run on the commutator. These wear a lot quicker than ordinary carbon/graphite brushes and need more care. You cannot run the machine backwards or the brushes will fold back under and damage the commutator, so make sure you have the rotation right. Bearings will almost always be plain types, either grease or ring-oiled. As long as they are fairly good, I'd leave them alone, if they are bad at the brush end then you'll accelerate brush wear. These are also essentially relatively low-speed machines, so don't go onto anything that is much more than 500rpm or so to start with. There are a lot of old books on these machines on the internet, McGraw-Hill especially did most electrical text books of the day, have a look on ebay or on abebooks.com. Nice to see you and have a chat at Tulare... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 22 09:33:02 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:33:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504221633.j3MGX6sF004172@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Anyone have experience working on early generators and have > some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? Hi George, The commutator looked a little knackered on your genny. A pro would have a cutter to turn the comm down, kind of like a lathe. There are also special stones you can use, but you can use some fine garnet paper to clean it up pretty. Emery cloth is not good choice for this. The mica is high, as well. Again, the pros have special tools for undercutting, but you can make something up out of a piece of tool steel. Make it like a scraper, and then very carefully scrape the mica until it is lower than the commutator bars. That's where I'd start. Rob From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 09:57:45 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:57:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: Thanks Peter. This one has carbon brushes and one brush was broken but the others looked good. The brass tag on the generator says 1700 rpm, which I assume is the speed needed to produce the rated voltage. I'm guessing that running it at a lower speed would simply produce less voltage. Haven't decided yet what I'll power it with. I would assume that I should belt it to a throttle governed engine to maintain a constant speed. Hit&Miss might be tough on a generator and cause variations in voltage. > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Listerdiesel > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:27 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator > > On 4/22/05, Best, George wrote: > > On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from > a friend. > > Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, > that's about > > all I know of it's history. > > > > > Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some > > advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > > > > WAIT George > > Hi George: > > The two biggest considerations are bearings and brushes, most > other things are nearly always surmountable with care. > > The brushes will probably be non-carbon types, usually a wad > of copper wires that run on the commutator. These wear a lot > quicker than ordinary carbon/graphite brushes and need more care. > > You cannot run the machine backwards or the brushes will fold > back under and damage the commutator, so make sure you have > the rotation right. > > Bearings will almost always be plain types, either grease or > ring-oiled. As long as they are fairly good, I'd leave them > alone, if they are bad at the brush end then you'll > accelerate brush wear. > These are also essentially relatively low-speed machines, so > don't go onto anything that is much more than 500rpm or so to > start with. > > There are a lot of old books on these machines on the > internet, McGraw-Hill especially did most electrical text > books of the day, have a look on ebay or on abebooks.com. > > Nice to see you and have a chat at Tulare... > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Apr 22 10:04:46 2005 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:04:46 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator References: <200504221633.j3MGX6sF004172@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <018f01c5475d$641e86e0$e7cb7043@D6R3D961> George if your ever in the San Francisco bay area I have an armature lathe with undercuter, and a growler to test the armature. It doesnt take very long to clean and test these, Ohm out the field windings, I have an open frame generator like yours and one of my field windings is open. Looks like I will have too hand rewind mine Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate, The Realty Experts Sales since 1977, 510-797-4000 ofc Collector of antique engines Fremont,Ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator >> Anyone have experience working on early generators and have >> some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > > Hi George, > The commutator looked a little knackered on your genny. A pro would have > a > cutter to turn the comm down, kind of like a lathe. There are also > special > stones you can use, but you can use some fine garnet paper to clean it up > pretty. Emery cloth is not good choice for this. > > The mica is high, as well. Again, the pros have special tools for > undercutting, > but you can make something up out of a piece of tool steel. Make it like > a > scraper, and then very carefully scrape the mica until it is lower than > the > commutator bars. > > That's where I'd start. > Rob > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 10:28:00 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:28:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: Rob, I think I'll take the brushes out just to make sure that nothing is rubbing against the commutator and also to insure that turning it backwards doesn't accidentally screw up something. Of course then my problem is remembering where I put the brushes for safe keeping! ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Hi George, > The commutator looked a little knackered on your genny. A > pro would have a cutter to turn the comm down, kind of like a > lathe. There are also special stones you can use, but you > can use some fine garnet paper to clean it up pretty. Emery > cloth is not good choice for this. From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 22 10:34:04 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:34:04 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504221734.j3MHY7qG029611@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Haven't decided yet what I'll power it with. I would assume that I > should belt it to a throttle governed engine to maintain a constant > speed. Hit&Miss might be tough on a generator and cause variations in > voltage. Hi George, If you're willing to file a brush to the correct size, let me know the dimensions of the existing brushes and I'll try to find something close. I think a hit & miss engine would be very cool on a generator. You could hook the genny up to some lights or a big meter, and then the tourists could watch the light intensity fluctuate with the speed of the engine. Rob From mtucker at uky.edu Fri Apr 22 10:19:45 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy all, I'm betting that Steve won't take me up on my offer to relieve him of the burden of his obviously defective Her. cart so I'm hoping that y'all will be able to help me out with some contact info. I've been told that someone that I should contact is Rick Rohrs. Does anybody have any contact info for him or his business partner Leo? If he can help me out and is planning to go to the Portland swap meet it would be great to set things up with him. Thanks, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From George_Best at adp.com Fri Apr 22 11:18:45 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:18:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator Message-ID: Rob, Good point. Would show why hit&miss engines aren't normally used for generators ;-) George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > I think a hit & miss engine would be very cool on a > generator. You could hook the genny up to some lights or a > big meter, and then the tourists could watch the light > intensity fluctuate with the speed of the engine. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:30:11 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:30:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160504221130186e3daa@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Best, George wrote: > Thanks Peter. This one has carbon brushes and one brush was broken but the others looked good. The brass tag on the generator says 1700 rpm, which I assume is the speed needed to produce the rated voltage. I'm guessing that running it at a lower speed would simply produce less voltage. Haven't decided yet what I'll power it with. I would assume that I should belt it to a throttle governed engine to maintain a constant speed. Hit&Miss might be tough on a generator and cause variations in voltage. Hi again, George: That would make it quite a bit later than the period you suggested, I have a Morganite book or two here, one which has the company history in, I'll see if I can get an idea of when the general change-over to carbon began. 1700 rpm also sounds more modern, if not high for such a device. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 22 11:30:19 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:30:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426942BB.8020301@imc-group.com> Michael Tucker wrote: > Howdy all, > > I'm betting that Steve won't take me up on my offer to relieve him of > the burden of his obviously defective Her. cart so I'm hoping that > y'all will be able to help me out with some contact info. I've been > told that someone that I should contact is Rick Rohrs. Does anybody > have any contact info for him or his business partner Leo? If he can > help me out and is planning to go to the Portland swap meet it would > be great to set things up with him. > > Thanks, > Mike Mike, I am showing 402-798-7323 and rustyirons_inc at yahoo.com as last contact info. He's strong on carts and ask him about a Famous too. He and Wayne have got the stuff in the Neb/Kan area! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:35:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:35:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility Message-ID: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> Helen (Dolly) emailed me this afternoon regarding the appearance of the Tulare pictures on her PC, on which she is using Firefox as a web browser. I downloaded a copy of the programme and checked myself, and the 3 pictures across by 4 rows down format just comes out as a vertical stream of picures, albeit they all show OK and link to the relevant pages. I don't particularly want to restrict the availability of the site to anyone, and we did check the pages with IE, Opera and Netscape, so I will post a note to the effect that it is not Firefox compatible for now, and try and get a fix when I have the time to spare. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 11:43:23 2005 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:43:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings In-Reply-To: <200504221000.j3MA06jP000867@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Curt, I have yet to think that one of your ideas is dumb so I have no intention of deleting this. I never really thought of replacing the shaft. A 3" (checked last night) shaft about 54" long complete with keyways, machined bearing surfaces, threaded holes.... could get a little $$$ though. This shaft is serviceable just needs to be a little slicker. The shim stock on the O.D. idea is pretty creative and I'm going to keep that one in my bag of tricks. Where do I get stainless shimstock? I've never seen beer sold in a stainless can?? The dummy shaft solution is looking more & more attractive all of the time. I'm going to have to eat my words about the castings being easily removable. I should know better than to use the word "easy" when refering to a 100 year old machine. I'm not familiar with "DOM" tubing. What does DOM mean? > 25. Re: RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >Message: 25 >Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:41:33 -0400 >From: Curt >Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >To: The SEL email discussion list >Message-ID: <426801ED.5090600 at imc-group.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >OK Andy if you think this is a really dumb idea then just delete it. >I gather the reason you've decided to not replace the short jackshaft is >cost??? Since you are concerned about filling in the pits (I'd blast and >use titanium Devcon) and have learned that JB won't take the pre-heat >for babbitt pouring. How about this. > >Before filling the pits, carefully cut and wrap the shaft with a piece >of .003 or .004 thick stainless shim. Have it extend and inch or more >beyond the bushing area and use a pair of hose clamps to hold it in >place. You might have to use thinner material and do a couple of wraps >to get it to lay flat. The idea is that you will have a super slick >surface to pour against and this will also build in the proper running >clearance. > >Once you've poured, then you can remove the shaft and stainless shim >stock, sand blast the pits in the bushing portion of the shaft and use >the titanium Devcon. You may have to enlist the help of a friend with a >lathe to finish the Devcon. It is damned tough stuff. A file isn't real >effective! > >I have no experience using stainless as a babbitt form and only toss it >out there as a possibility. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC >P.S. Could you use a piece of thin wall 3 1/2" DOM tubing as a dummy >shaft for pouring? That should be cheap enough..... > > >Andy Glines wrote: > > > As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for > > ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that > > leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is > > actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface > > on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water > > got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the > > rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will > > result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the > > bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the > > bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further > > investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put > > them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy > > shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher > > temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" > > about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of > > sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler > > would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure > > that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food > > for thought. Thank you! > > BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels > > on my Huber steamer. > > From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Fri Apr 22 11:58:41 2005 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:58:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George, I've got a box of worn brushes they replace out of the street cars in New Orleans. Roughly 2"x1-3/4"x9/16" in size. We use them in a frame placed like tiles as a work surface for small brazing jobs. Contact me off list at jdragoset at galvotec.com Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Best, George Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:47 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about all I know of it's history. I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit for awhile. Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? WAIT George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Fri Apr 22 11:45:15 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:45:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4269463B.6060604@imc-group.com> George, Nice find! There was one of these at Coolsprings last year that I lusted after all weekend. Do you know if these were stand alone DC gens for lighting, etc. or were they an exciter motor for part of a much larger gen set? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. You gotten great mechanical advice in several posts. For electrical checks use your analog meter and check for wet windings by using the highest megohm scale. Just choose one side of each of the 4 pole windings to the frame. Only touch one of the meter leads or you will be reading you bodies resistance. There should be infinite resistance if all is dry. If not a baking in the wife's oven at about 200?F for a few days should dry it all out. :-) Do the same with the armature. On both the arm and fields you'll need to disconnect them all electrically. Now switch the meter to the R1 setting and measure the resistance of each filed winding. They should all be about the same. Very low resistance. You can check the arm/comm but it is a lot more work! If it passed the above tests I'd venture a guess it is OK. Best, George wrote: >On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. >Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about >all I know of it's history. > >I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: > >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 > >While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt >pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up >some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start >another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit >for awhile. > >Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the >generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying >this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. > >Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise >on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? > >WAIT George > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From segray at mlode.com Fri Apr 22 12:45:16 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:45:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> Hi Peter - Sorry I missed ya at Tulare. The browser thing might be a screen resolution thing, since I'm using Netscape 7.2 and also get the vertical column of pics. Everything works and looks great, though. I'm set at the 768 x 1024 resolution. OBTW, that 25 HP Fairbanks Y oil engine for sale on page 9 of your site will be coming home to the Gold Country next weekend, weather permitting. :-) I'm having to peddle some other iron to make room for it! - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Listerdiesel wrote: >Helen (Dolly) emailed me this afternoon regarding the appearance of the >Tulare pictures on her PC, on which she is using Firefox as a web browser. > I downloaded a copy of the programme and checked myself, and the 3 pictures >across by 4 rows down format just comes out as a vertical stream of picures, >albeit they all show OK and link to the relevant pages. > I don't particularly want to restrict the availability of the site to >anyone, and we did check the pages with IE, Opera and Netscape, so I will >post a note to the effect that it is not Firefox compatible for now, and try >and get a fix when I have the time to spare. > >Peter > > From MaytagTwin at aol.com Fri Apr 22 12:58:55 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:58:55 EDT Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator..connecting leads to carbon brushes Message-ID: <7b.43c82e91.2f9ab17f@aol.com> Hi George, I have been reading an old text which I keep in the throne room library, and ran across a method of connecting copper pigtail wires to carbon brushes. This is rather long and roundabout, and it comes from The WAR-TIME GUIDE BOOK prepared by the Editorial Staff of POPULAR SCIENCE MONTHLY, GROSSET & DUNLAP, New York, 1942, p.147, but it looks like it will get you the brushes you may need. Copper Amalgam Although mercury will amalgamate with copper sheet to produce a bright slivery surface, this method cannot be used to produce an amalgam of copper because the copper is only alloyed on the surface. However, finely divided copper metal, such as that obtained by precipitation, can be alloyed readily with mercury to produce a pliable copper amalgam. To produce the copper in finely divided form, suspend several strips of zinc or iron in a solution of copper sulphate or copper nitrate. The iron or zinc will dissolve, precipitating the copper out upon its surface in the form of a fine powder. Collect this powder, and if the solution is still blue, further powder may be precipitated out by allowing more iron or zinc to act on the solution. Wash the precipitated copper well with running water and pour onto it a solution of mercuric nitrate which can be made by dissolving a globule of mercury in nitric acid. Allow the mercury chloride solution to act for about ten minutes, until the color has changed somewhat. Pour onto the precipitated copper contained in a mortar several times its weight of mercury metal and knead the mass under hot water by means of a pestle. The mercury will then amalgamate with the copper. The produce can be used to take impressions, fill holes in copper work, or serve as an electrical conductive cement to join pigtails to carbon brushes, and also to join certain metals together. For this latter operation, the metals, which must have been cleaned, are heated to about 180?F., the copper amalgam rubbed on at the contact surface and pressed firmly together, reheating slightly, applying clamps, and allowing them to remain on until the metal joint has become cold. George, thank you for providing a reason to share. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri, USA From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 13:25:51 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:25:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042213255ab8d949@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Steve Gray wrote: > Hi Peter - > > Sorry I missed ya at Tulare. The browser thing might be a screen > resolution thing, since I'm using Netscape 7.2 and also get the vertical > column of pics. Everything works and looks great, though. I'm set at the > 768 x 1024 resolution. OBTW, that 25 HP Fairbanks Y oil engine for sale > on page 9 of your site will be coming home to the Gold Country next > weekend, weather permitting. :-) I'm having to peddle some other iron > to make room for it! > > - Steve Hi Steve: I watched you setting up on the Sunday, but you were a bit involved with starting engines etc., so we left you alone, meaning to pop back, but when we did make it back later you were gone... probably about the time of the parade start? Got shots of the engines on your trailer though, they'll be up there soon! The Fairbanks was a nice lump, wouldn't have minded that one myself, but carriage charges etc would make it a bit too expensive :-(( Who was the guy with you? he was lining the flywheel of the horizontal engine next to your trailer. Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Apr 22 13:38:38 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 16:38:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, Mike, I've already modified it soo much that it thinks its a Foos cart now! See ya Steve >From: Michael Tucker >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? >Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:52:14 -0400 > >>Yes Dave, You hit it right on. The axles were reversed with the right on >>left and the left on right and everytime I pulled it down the driveway the >>nuts unscrewed themselves and the wheels fell off. I can't figger out how >>to fix this problem so I push it now insterad of pulling it to shows! But >>on Mondays and Fridays it doesn't seem to matter very much. The Oystered >>Cloister > >Steve, > >As you know, I'm looking for a Herc. straight frame cart. The good thing >is that I'm left handed so everything here at our house is used to >operating backwards compared to the rest of the world. So, your cart would >function perfectly here at my place! Let me know when you'll be at home >and I'll come load that defective cart and bring it back to my own little >bizarro world where it will live as normal of a life as it possibly can. > >Glad to be able to help out, >Mike >-- >____________________ >Michael Tucker >Midway, Kentucky, USA >mtucker at uky.edu >____________________ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pcgray at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 22 14:18:21 2005 From: pcgray at zoominternet.net (Paul + Colleen Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:18:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Patents In-Reply-To: <200504221000.j3MA06jO000867@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <0DDA4A47-B374-11D9-A72B-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net> Rob- This is a great start!! Glad to hear you are taking on the project. There is another way to search the USPTO database. If you click on : http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspcindex/indextouspc.htm you'll get the patent classification by subject. Then go to "I" and scroll down to class 123 for internal combustion engines you can see all the sub classes. For example there is a class for non-compression engines. I usually jump to the end of the list of patents in a class/sub-class to see the oldies. This will take you directly to all the IC patents: http://www.uspto.gov/go/classification/uspc123/sched123.htm Like wise, this will take you to all the non-compression IC engine patents : Class 123/39 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph- Parser?Sect1=PTO2&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsearch- bool.html&r=0&f=S&l=50&TERM1=123%2F39&FIELD1=ORCL&d=pall To view patents on-line you will need a special TIFF reader.... a good one is AlternaTiff.com and it is free Once you have the list of all the classes for IC engines printed out, you can search directly by class in the search menu... Still takes a lot of browsing but allows you to go by what interests you- a lot like fishing. I do a lot with intellectual property and patents in my work......so I spend a lot of time searching the USPTO. Here is one: 626,189 EJ Fithian , Bessemer Gas engine conversion cylinder w/ pendulum governer I will send you the list of what I have accumulated over the years- Paul From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 22 14:20:53 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:20:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator References: <4269463B.6060604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <02c201c54781$2a70dc80$a65bef18@pengy> You're pretty lucky! I've been looking for a DC generator for a long while. I have a DC overhead crane that will work if I had the DC to run it. I've been thinking of using a 15 hp shunt would motor as a generator to provide the power I need. Basically a DC motor and dynamo are the same machine. The main difference is in the direction the electricity is going. I've been collecting old DC books and literature for years so if you can't find info. on these elsewhere I would be willing to provide you with some info. that I have. Old ICS textbooks are great reference material. When you go to set this up I have access to literally tons of DC electrical equipment from the same era. All the mills around here ran on DC. I have contactors, rheostats, resistors, controllers, gauges, etc. Depending upon what you need I could supply you with enough stuff to make a real nice DC setup. An engine driving the generator hooked up to a barrel controller operating another motor driving some piece of equipment would be a great attention getter at a show. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator > George, > Nice find! There was one of these at Coolsprings last year that I lusted > after all weekend. > Do you know if these were stand alone DC gens for lighting, etc. or were > they an exciter motor for part of a much larger gen set? > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. You gotten great mechanical advice in several posts. For electrical > checks use your analog meter and check for wet windings by using the > highest megohm scale. Just choose one side of each of the 4 pole windings > to the frame. Only touch one of the meter leads or you will be reading you > bodies resistance. There should be infinite resistance if all is dry. If > not a baking in the wife's oven at about 200?F for a few days should dry > it all out. :-) Do the same with the armature. On both the arm and fields > you'll need to disconnect them all electrically. > Now switch the meter to the R1 setting and measure the resistance of each > filed winding. They should all be about the same. Very low resistance. > You can check the arm/comm but it is a lot more work! If it passed the > above tests I'd venture a guess it is OK. > > > > Best, George wrote: > >>On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. >>Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about >>all I know of it's history. >> >>I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: >> >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 >> >>While this isn't an engine, it is related in that it has a flat belt >>pulley for being powered by a gas engine. I would like to hook it up >>some time, but I've already got too many unfinished projects to start >>another one. So I'll most likely clean it up a little and let it sit >>for awhile. >> >>Based on the patent dates on this generator, and the patent dates on the >>generator at Mt Wilson (Larry Evans sent me some pictures), I'm saying >>this generator was built some time between 1892 and 1896. >> >>Anyone have experience working on early generators and have some advise >>on how to go about testing/cleaning/using this? >> >>WAIT George >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 22 14:22:21 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:22:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings References: Message-ID: <02c701c54781$5e8c6660$a65bef18@pengy> DOM Drawn over mandrel. A process to make better dimensional tolerances in the pipe. At least I think thats what it does. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:43 PM Subject: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings > Curt, I have yet to think that one of your ideas is dumb so I have no > intention of deleting this. I never really thought of replacing the > shaft. A 3" (checked last night) shaft about 54" long complete with > keyways, machined bearing surfaces, threaded holes.... could get a little > $$$ though. This shaft is serviceable just needs to be a little slicker. > The shim stock on the O.D. idea is pretty creative and I'm going to keep > that one in my bag of tricks. Where do I get stainless shimstock? I've > never seen beer sold in a stainless can?? The dummy shaft solution is > looking more & more attractive all of the time. I'm going to have to eat > my words about the castings being easily removable. I should know better > than to use the word "easy" when refering to a 100 year old machine. I'm > not familiar with "DOM" tubing. What does DOM mean? > >> 25. Re: RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >>Message: 25 >>Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:41:33 -0400 >>From: Curt >>Subject: Re: [SEL] RE: Pitted shaft & Babbitt bearings >>To: The SEL email discussion list >>Message-ID: <426801ED.5090600 at imc-group.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>OK Andy if you think this is a really dumb idea then just delete it. >>I gather the reason you've decided to not replace the short jackshaft is >>cost??? Since you are concerned about filling in the pits (I'd blast and >>use titanium Devcon) and have learned that JB won't take the pre-heat >>for babbitt pouring. How about this. >> >>Before filling the pits, carefully cut and wrap the shaft with a piece >>of .003 or .004 thick stainless shim. Have it extend and inch or more >>beyond the bushing area and use a pair of hose clamps to hold it in >>place. You might have to use thinner material and do a couple of wraps >>to get it to lay flat. The idea is that you will have a super slick >>surface to pour against and this will also build in the proper running >>clearance. >> >>Once you've poured, then you can remove the shaft and stainless shim >>stock, sand blast the pits in the bushing portion of the shaft and use >>the titanium Devcon. You may have to enlist the help of a friend with a >>lathe to finish the Devcon. It is damned tough stuff. A file isn't real >>effective! >> >>I have no experience using stainless as a babbitt form and only toss it >>out there as a possibility. >>Curt Holland >>Gastonia, NC >>P.S. Could you use a piece of thin wall 3 1/2" DOM tubing as a dummy >>shaft for pouring? That should be cheap enough..... >> >> >>Andy Glines wrote: >> >> > As usual, I get some great ideas when consulting ATIS lists for >> > ideas. There have been several good ideas given. I'm afraid that >> > leaving the pitts alone simply won't work. The pitted area is >> > actually a strip about 1.5" wide for the length of the bearing surface >> > on both ends of the shaft. I'm thinkg that this is where rain water >> > got in through the oil troughs and sat on the shaft. Besides the >> > rusted strip the shaft is pretty smooth. Leaving this area alone will >> > result in a big gap in the bearing surface that I think will cut the >> > bearing quickly. When I first posed this question I thought that the >> > bearing castings were permanently attached to the boiler. Further >> > investigation shows that they can easily be taken off where I can put >> > them on a table. Being able to take them off means that the dummy >> > shaft might work well. Of course I've gotten some links to higher >> > temp fillers. Arnie asked what size the shaft is... 3.25" or 3.5" >> > about 54" long. I had already considered his idea that a shaft of >> > sufficient size could act as a heat sink and therefore the filler >> > would only see the extreme heat for a short time. I'm pretty sure >> > that this shaft is big enough. As always you folks have give me food >> > for thought. Thank you! >> > BTW The shaft in question is the countershaft that drives the wheels >> > on my Huber steamer. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Apr 22 14:47:48 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:47:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Clinton Edwards now Nick Bettevy References: <41dmfb$pqs2q7@mxip06a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00ab01c54784$ef7b0840$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Yes,Things are looking grim for Nick too. I feel we wont have him with us for too long. Another top engine man, good freind and family man being lost to our ranks. Thanks to all who sent me a mail on this. Not that there is anything that could be done but, the distance makes it a lot harder. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Reg, I met Clinton through Anthony Goodrum, was sorry to hear this. I > think his place was a stop after your Portland trip. Another of your > southern friends, Nick Bettivy, is in the hospital with last stages of > lung cancer, went to see him two weeks ago and he's gone down since. > J.B. Castagnos From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Apr 22 15:16:27 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:16:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine Message-ID: <000901c54788$f1ba2600$ad9d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Does any one have any information on the Tessler Steam Turbine? Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Apr 22 15:25:16 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:25:16 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: <4269463B.6060604@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200504222225.j3MMPJdJ056493@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > checks use your analog meter and check for wet windings by using the > highest megohm scale. Just choose one side of each of the 4 pole > windings to the frame. Only touch one of the meter leads or > you will be reading you bodies resistance. There should be infinite resistance if > all is dry. If not a baking in the wife's oven at about 200?F > for a few days should dry it all out. :-) Hi Curt, I'd like to put another spin on the issue... First, a little analog meter is probably running off nine volts. You might be reading a winding as good, but when the winding is powered up with full voltage, it might be faulty. A megohm meter is a better tool to use. It will pump a few hundred volts through the winding and could detect a faulty winding when a low voltage meter will not. Secondly, a bad winding is not necessarily bad. A few years back I got my boss to buy me a really nice digital megger. You know how fun it is to have new toys... I had to play with it. I measured every motor and generator in town. Shockingly, most showed low resistance, in the neighborhood of a 200k. Rarely did I find a generator or motor that was over one megohm. Yet, all these motors and generators were in service. So the conclusion is that if you use a megger and read a winding as good, you can be pretty sure it's good. If you use a small multimeter or megger and get readings of a few 10's of k or higher, you can't be sure of anything. Only if you get a crazy-low resistance of a few k or lower can you say with reasonble certainty that a winding is bad. You can get nice old meggers (megohm meters) off of ebay for under fifty bucks. They're very useful in working on magnetos, especially for checking capacitor leakage. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From segray at mlode.com Fri Apr 22 15:57:50 2005 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:57:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042213255ab8d949@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <4269544C.6070100@mlode.com> <6f60251605042213255ab8d949@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4269816E.3070804@mlode.com> That was probably Mike McKinney since he had most of the engines next to me. He's also a member of Branch 27. I've known the owner of the Y for years and have helped work on it and start it many times. I've pestered him about it for almost as long, but his sale at this time caught me off guard. I'm having to put some things on the back burner now while the 'toy fund' has a chance to recuperate. Oh well, ya have to strike when the iron's hot! ;-) - Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 13, 27 & 49 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com Listerdiesel wrote: > > Hi Steve: > I watched you setting up on the Sunday, but you were a bit involved with >starting engines etc., so we left you alone, meaning to pop back, but when >we did make it back later you were gone... probably about the time of the >parade start? Got shots of the engines on your trailer though, they'll be up >there soon! > >The Fairbanks was a nice lump, wouldn't have minded that one myself, but >carriage charges etc would make it a bit too expensive :-(( >Who was the guy with you? he was lining the flywheel of the horizontal >engine next to your trailer. > Peter > > > >>-- >>Peter A Forbes >>Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com >>Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> >> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Apr 22 18:11:21 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:11:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86cb49c7acebc52d5182720870023fba@chartertn.net> Geoff Hutchings has one in his barn that, as I recall, looks just like it. John On Apr 22, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Best, George wrote: > On our way to Tulare last week I bought this generator from a friend. > Supposedly it was used around Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, that's about > all I know of it's history. > > I've loaded some pictures on my Epson album: > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31730100&f=0 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Apr 22 18:23:18 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 19:23:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Book update Message-ID: <4269A386.8010305@earthlink.net> Hi all, Back in the days of the wild wild west folks would look forward to the next chapter of a book published in the newspaper. You can now re-live those days as I get this online. I have the table of contents up and running and a couple chapters. If you get a bad link on the next page window, it's cause it ain't there yet. Put em in when I build the page. Saddle up and enjoy the ride. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/OldBook/TOC.html Jeff Allen PS. Comment always welcome. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 18:35:50 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:35:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> On 4/22/05, Listerdiesel wrote: Further research on this would indicate that Firefox will only recognise a full HTML table for a structured page layout, while the other browsers will set up a page of pictures without using the table command. This is OK as all the other browsers will happily run this code as well, it just means that I'll have to amend the templates on our HTML editor and also the new pages that have been created this week. For earlier menus, I'll have to pass for now as I haven't the spare time to re-code all of them, but as long as I know the problem I can maybe go back occasionally and get a few pages done. This also applies to our company website as well, so I have that to sort out as well.... :-(( I am just creating a new Tulare pictures Page 1 to test this out. It works OK with Firefox on the PC looking at the hard drive, I will upload it to Oldengine.org later on and try it out over the internet. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 18:57:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:57:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, Listerdiesel wrote: I have uploaded what should be a Firefox compatible version of the first Tulare menu page. Could anyone with Firefox in use have a quick look and check that the page is OK please? http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/TulareMenu051.htm This file has replaced the existing one for now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 22 20:06:29 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Patented Engines Message-ID: <20050423030630.64264.qmail@web31311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Folks, Go check out patent # 644295 Does anyone know if this engine was ever built? Sold? Name? I sure would love to see one in action. Alan Bowen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gwaugh at wowway.com Fri Apr 22 20:06:41 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:06:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200504230306.j3N36QK23285@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Looks good to me, peter, pics are 3 across! Thanks, Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Listerdiesel Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:57 PM To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility On 4/23/05, Listerdiesel wrote: I have uploaded what should be a Firefox compatible version of the first Tulare menu page. Could anyone with Firefox in use have a quick look and check that the page is OK please? http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/TulareMenu051.htm This file has replaced the existing one for now. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 22 20:53:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 04:53:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <200504230306.j3N36QK23285@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> References: <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> <200504230306.j3N36QK23285@pop-2.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042220535497461c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, Gene Waugh wrote: > Looks good to me, peter, pics are 3 across! > > Thanks, > > Gene Thanks very much, Gene, I have had good reports back from others including Larry Evans. All of the 9 menu pages are now rewritten for Firefox, and I have also done Page 10 as well, with another few pages to come. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Fri Apr 22 20:53:37 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:53:37 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi all. I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know the correct dimensions? Thanks. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From garyepps at fidnet.com Fri Apr 22 21:22:44 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:22:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> Peter, Thanks, I sent Joe a note off list attempting to explain spot metering, but you explained in much better than I did and in fewer words. Thanks, Gary Listerdiesel wrote: > On 4/21/05, Joseph L Betz wrote: > >>The result will be more light on the image or less. I normally shoot >>using spot metering. >>= = = = = = >>Spot metering ? I don't mean to sound ignorant - but - >>Most of my pictures are shot by the "point & shot" method. >>Then - Hope for the best. >> >>Thanks Gary >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz > > > > Joe: > Spot metering is where the camera exposure system looks at only a small > part of the picture area to determine the exposure, rather than the whole > area that you can see when pointing the camera. > It allows you to adjust for backlit items where the overall picture would > be overexposed by the average light level. > Most cameras also allow you to take an exposure reading off a surface or > area and hold it while taking the picture. > All of our Mavica cameras have spot metering and exposure hold, it is a > useful feature and common on most cameras. > Peter -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 22 23:26:07 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:26:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com><6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002301c547cd$591fef20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Peter, page 8 is just working for the halve, in Firefox and in IE. John H. On 4/23/05, Listerdiesel wrote: I have uploaded what should be a Firefox compatible version of the first Tulare menu page. Could anyone with Firefox in use have a quick look and check that the page is OK please? http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Tulare05/TulareMenu051.htm This file has replaced the existing one for now. Peter From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 02:20:35 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:20:35 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: OT: Firefox browser website compatibility In-Reply-To: <002301c547cd$591fef20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> References: <6f6025160504221135228ab291@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221835186d9b72@mail.gmail.com> <6f6025160504221857396f675e@mail.gmail.com> <002301c547cd$591fef20$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <6f6025160504230220515f9512@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, John Hammink wrote: > Peter, page 8 is just working for the halve, > in Firefox and in IE. > > John H. Thanks, John: Should be OK now... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 02:53:01 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:53:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/23/05, Gary Epps wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks, I sent Joe a note off list attempting to explain spot metering, > but you explained in much better than I did and in fewer words. > > Thanks, > Gary OK, I only sent a reply as I couldn't see anyone else replying! :-)) See you at Portland? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Apr 23 06:04:21 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:04:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> I figured that was the case, and you said it much more succinctly than I did. Yes, we plan to be at Portland. It's been too long since I've been there. The last time I was there Reg and Peter & Kaye were there and maybe Paul P. At any rate it has been a long time. Gary Listerdiesel wrote: > On 4/23/05, Gary Epps wrote: > >>Peter, >> >>Thanks, I sent Joe a note off list attempting to explain spot metering, >>but you explained in much better than I did and in fewer words. >> >>Thanks, >>Gary > > > OK, I only sent a reply as I couldn't see anyone else replying! :-)) > > See you at Portland? > > Peter -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 23 00:58:13 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:58:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine In-Reply-To: <000901c54788$f1ba2600$ad9d81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <20050423075813.90042.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Peter Go to www.camdenmin.co.uk They have a book called "The Tesla Disc Turbine" by Cairns. Price ?5.90 + postage Hope this helps. Regardsd Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea --- peter ogborne wrote: > Does any one have any information on the Tessler Steam Turbine? > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From b2 at chooka.net Sat Apr 23 09:10:43 2005 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:10:43 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank References: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <006d01c5481f$00bb5430$660aa8c0@apluscomputer.local> Ron, if someone doesn't jump in sooner I'll be able to get this for you but it will take a while. My Economy 7 hp is stored about 200 miles from my residence, will be visiting those folks sometime the next month or 2 but not right away. I believe mine (in storage and unrestored) will have an original tank. It is set up as a saw rig and in my mind's eye the tank is in the base and presumably will be just what you need. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, MN, USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank > Hi all. > I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know the > correct dimensions? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Apr 23 09:37:45 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:37:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info Message-ID: <1c5.26a2c01e.2f9bd3d9@aol.com> In a message dated 4/22/2005 2:04:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtucker at uky.edu writes: << I'm betting that Steve won't take me up on my offer to relieve him of the burden of his obviously defective Herc. cart so I'm hoping that I'll will be able to help me out with some contact info >> Mike, What type of Herc cart are you looking for? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 23 09:59:21 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:59:21 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Patents In-Reply-To: <0DDA4A47-B374-11D9-A72B-000A9574E7BA@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <200504231659.j3NGxNNL036359@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > scroll down to class 123 for internal combustion engines > you can see all the sub classes. For example there is a class for > non-compression engines. I usually jump to the end of the list of > patents in a class/sub-class to see the oldies. Thanks Paul, Our Phase 2 searches are focusing on the Hiscox list. Later Phases will utilize the "classifications" as you describe. Ken C. is smarter in that area, so when the time comes, we'll have to come up with a method of searching that will minimize wasted efforts. Rob From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 23 11:13:49 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:13:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Driver licensing References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A704478642@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <008a01c54830$33001280$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> When I was re-located to Switzerland in the late 70's I obtained a Swiss Drivers license without taking a test. The Drivers License did not have any expiration date on it. On a vacation trip to the U.S.A. I rented an auto at the airport and took off down the highway at 90 mph like I was used to driving on the autobahn in Germany. It wasn't too far down the highway that I got caught in a airplane type of speed trap. I handed the officer my Swiss Drivers license. He gave me a ticket with a court date and said I could call and find out the cost of the fine and mail it in. Well I did call and found out the cost of the fine was $95. I never did get around to mailing it in or appearing in court (But the next time I got stopped a couple of years later I used my U.S.A. license). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Younger" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Driver licensing > >>>Driver licencing is quite complex in the UK and Europe, you have lots > of different classes of licence. I have car, motorcycle and truck > licences, but within the average group such as the car or truck there > are more sub-classes that you may or may not need a test for. > > >>>Peter From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 23 10:14:13 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:14:13 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists Message-ID: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Luke, Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=6172135601 From mogul460 at localnet.com Sat Apr 23 11:21:44 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:21:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether Message-ID: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> My friend has a vertical FH Briggs engine which he has been running for 12 years. He decided to put in new rings. After putting in new rings he was having problems starting it. While he was cranking it using a drill motor his friend gave it a shot of ether. The head blew off hitting the ceiling. It broke off at the second fin from the top where the head bolts end. He is now in the market for another block. From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 11:52:57 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:52:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Tulare Pictures In-Reply-To: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> References: <6f602516050419224130010641@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f6025160504231152263b1f6c@mail.gmail.com> On 4/20/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > As mentioned the other day, I have got the first two pages of pictures up on > our site for folks to have a look at. All 15 menu pages are up and running, 190 picture pages. The USS Pampanito submarine internal pictures are on menu pages 13, 14 and 15. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 11:58:39 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:58:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Awwww, eBay's taken it down. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Luke, > Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=6172135601 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 12:00:09 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:00:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising to never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may result." No kidding! John On Apr 23, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Charles R Bryant wrote: > My friend has a vertical FH Briggs engine which he has been > running for 12 years. He decided to put in new rings. After putting > in new rings he was having problems starting it. While he was cranking > it using a drill motor his friend gave it a shot of ether. The head > blew off > hitting the ceiling. It broke off at the second fin from the top where > the > head bolts end. He is now in the market for another block. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Apr 23 12:00:55 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:00:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Using Adobe photoshop 8 for drawing Engine transfers (Decals in US) Message-ID: <000d01c54836$c8a41ec0$fa4c1152@no1> In the past when I have been cleaning up engine decals for people using Adobe photoshop the hardest part has been bending the writing round the decal. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/328885515zvjTRy for one I did earlier. 8^) I have just discovered that the CS version lets you bend text but using the methods are not the easiest things to learn. Is anyone else trying to learn this so we can discuss ways & help each other? Dave Croft Warrington England davecroft at nospammershere.co.uk This does work! From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 23 12:23:57 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:23:57 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050423.122357.1572.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Bill. The tank in mine has rounded corners and is not even being used. Want to get it back to stock. Yes the tank is in the base and rectangular. I'll let you know if someone comes through before you get to yours. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:10:43 -0500 "Bill Brueck" writes: > Ron, if someone doesn't jump in sooner I'll be able to get this for > you but > it will take a while. My Economy 7 hp is stored about 200 miles > from my > residence, will be visiting those folks sometime the next month or 2 > but not > right away. I believe mine (in storage and unrestored) will have an > > original tank. It is set up as a saw rig and in my mind's eye the > tank is > in the base and presumably will be just what you need. > > B? > Bill Brueck (brick) > Chatfield, MN, USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Apr 23 12:46:01 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:46:01 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Or more likely, Jane has installed a block on your computer to prevent you from purchasing more cool stuff off ebay. It's still up; check again. Rob > Awwww, eBay's taken it down. > > John > > From OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com Sat Apr 23 13:13:56 2005 From: OCLEVELAND at cfl.rr.com (Skip Cleveland) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:13:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether References: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <009001c54840$fac3f420$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> If there is a glow plug in the intake manifold, that's where the trouble starts. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Caution Using Ether > My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising to > never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may result." > No kidding! > > John > > On Apr 23, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Charles R Bryant wrote: > >> My friend has a vertical FH Briggs engine which he has been >> running for 12 years. He decided to put in new rings. After putting >> in new rings he was having problems starting it. While he was cranking >> it using a drill motor his friend gave it a shot of ether. The head blew >> off >> hitting the ceiling. It broke off at the second fin from the top where >> the >> head bolts end. He is now in the market for another block. > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 > > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Apr 23 13:15:11 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:15:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <426AACCF.70906@earthlink.net> Here it is. Drool away! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6172135601 Rob Skinner wrote: >Or more likely, Jane has installed a block on your computer to prevent you from >purchasing more cool stuff off ebay. >It's still up; check again. > >Rob > > > > > >>Awwww, eBay's taken it down. >> >>John >> >> > > > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 13:39:32 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:39:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231946.j3NJk4gE008557@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <58b7db2d31c3d33523254555076c3d5f@chartertn.net> Hmmm, it's back! I do have a supply of spindle oil. I need a lathe to use it on. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Rob Skinner wrote: > Or more likely, Jane has installed a block on your computer to prevent > you from > purchasing more cool stuff off ebay. > It's still up; check again. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 13:41:59 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:41:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: <009001c54840$fac3f420$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> References: <003701c54831$4e502600$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> <009001c54840$fac3f420$4ef6a518@SkipBetty> Message-ID: The glow plugs on the Chette's Isuzu Diesel are right in the combustion chambers. The problem is with fuel vapor preigniting and detonating on the upstroke of the piston, trying to force it back against that heavy flywheel's momentum. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Skip Cleveland wrote: > If there is a glow plug in the intake manifold, that's where the > trouble starts. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Apr 23 14:13:14 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:13:14 EDT Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether Message-ID: Hi John, That's true, and so did my old VW wagon, and Mercedes, and, Isuzu. But, you know when it is cold out, and the fool thing won't start despite all your other remedies, you can get to where you don't care if the ether destroys it or not. Start or die! That's the cry. I have found a shot of Gibbs will get a diesel engine going without the "Knock" that ether causes. Regards, Ron Carroll Clearmont, Missouri USA In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:40:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnculp at chartertn.net writes: My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising to never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may result." No kidding! John From mtucker at uky.edu Sat Apr 23 14:20:05 2005 From: mtucker at uky.edu (Michael Tucker) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:20:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rick Rohrs contact info In-Reply-To: <1c5.26a2c01e.2f9bd3d9@aol.com> References: <1c5.26a2c01e.2f9bd3d9@aol.com> Message-ID: >What type of Herc cart are you looking for? Hello Tom, I'm looking for a Hercules straight frame cart for a 5 hp engine. My plan is to mount a 4 hp IHC Famous and a tilt table buzz saw attachment on it to put together a working buzz saw rig. If you hear of either of those critters for sale, I would appreciate it if you would let me know. Take care, Mike -- ____________________ Michael Tucker Midway, Kentucky, USA mtucker at uky.edu ____________________ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 15:43:14 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:43:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c5751258e511bd346d3f7168ef6de41@chartertn.net> "Start or die!" :-) Yeah, I know the feeling. Been there with my Harley. A bigger problem with the 'Vette that stranded my Dad on cold days is that is would start (this one has an optional engine block preheater that he'd plug in), but the pickup screen in the fuel tank is not heated and clogs up with wax if the temperature's below the cloud point of the fuel. Chevrolet recommended running it on kerosene or 10% gasoline in temps below 20F. BTW, if you've got AC power available, a big hair dryer pointed into the intake is a big help with starting a cold Diesel. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 5:13 PM, MaytagTwin at aol.com wrote: > > Hi John, > That's true, and so did my old VW wagon, and Mercedes, and, Isuzu. > But, you > know when it is cold out, and the fool thing won't start despite all > your > other remedies, you can get to where you don't care if the ether > destroys it or > not. Start or die! That's the cry. I have found a shot of Gibbs > will get > a diesel engine going without the "Knock" that ether causes. > > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri USA > > > In a message dated 4/23/2005 2:40:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, > johnculp at chartertn.net writes: > > My Diesel Chevette has a big warning sticker under the hood advising > to > never use starting fluid, and that "Immediate engine damage may > result." No kidding! > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 23 17:00:26 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey John, That is what Premiun Diesel is for. Run it in the cold weather. I have been told there is something in the Premiun Diesel that keeps it from getting so stiff in the cold. My Dodge D250 with the Cummins Diesel has one of those stickers too. I wouldn't ever shoot an engine up that has glow plugs. My old Ford 3500 Industrial tractor has a three cylinder diesel without the glow plugs. If I plug in the block heater about three hours before I want to start it up I don't have to hit it with ether. Unless of course it is very cold then I need both the block heater and the ether. I have fired it up at -10 F that way. Alan Bowen --- John Culp wrote: > "Start or die!" :-) > > Yeah, I know the feeling. Been there with my Harley. > > A bigger problem with the 'Vette that stranded my Dad on cold days is > that is would start (this one has an optional engine block preheater > that he'd plug in), but the pickup screen in the fuel tank is not > heated and clogs up with wax if the temperature's below the cloud point > of the fuel. Chevrolet recommended running it on kerosene or 10% > gasoline in temps below 20F. > > BTW, if you've got AC power available, a big hair dryer pointed into > the intake is a big help with starting a cold Diesel. > > John > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From lfevans at pacbell.net Sat Apr 23 18:04:36 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:04:36 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050423175743.02867ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as I took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little interest. Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing at shows I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 23 18:06:15 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:06:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Isn't any "Premium Diesel" sold around here. John On Apr 23, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Hey John, > That is what Premiun Diesel is for. > Run it in the cold weather. > I have been told there is something in the Premiun Diesel that keeps > it from getting so stiff in > the cold. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Sat Apr 23 19:05:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:05:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart Message-ID: <20050423.190530.1572.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332 755&rd=1 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Apr 23 20:37:40 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:37:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists In-Reply-To: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <426B1484.6040402@wightman.ca> Oh my. I will now drool uncontrolabley............ That is nice. Reg! What do you think of that?? Duncna Rob Skinner wrote: >Luke, >Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > &item=6172135601 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 23 19:38:18 2005 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (Paul Maples) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:38:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view References: <6.0.1.1.2.20050423175743.02867ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00dd01c54876$b389cae0$230110ac@PAUL> Interesting pictures Larry, thanks. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view > Hi...... > > Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent > pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on > something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as > I took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little interest. > Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing at shows I > took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, rope > fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sat Apr 23 20:37:22 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:37:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists References: <200504231714.j3NHEFYR043789@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <426B1484.6040402@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <010401c5487e$f1f93f10$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> MUCH too nice to actually use!! Something like that deserves a prominent place in a major museum. Nothing less would be an insult to it and its long dead maker. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Lathe - Attn: Luke and all machinists > Oh my. I will now drool uncontrolabley............ > That is nice. > Reg! What do you think of that?? > > Duncna > > Rob Skinner wrote: > >>Luke, Here is the solution to your machine shop difficulties: >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem >> >>&item=6172135601 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > > -- > Duncan Denman > Ayton, Ontario > Canada > Antique Gas Engines & Tractors > Home Page > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weolson at wiktel.com Sat Apr 23 21:34:53 2005 From: weolson at wiktel.com (William Olson) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 23:34:53 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: References: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426B21ED.6060808@wiktel.com> I have a 7.3 Powerstroke Diesel in my Ford up here in Northern Minnesota and it starts fine in the cold, -30 to -40 degree temps in the winter under the following conditions: The fuel up here is a blend of number 1 and number 2 diesel in the winter. Or some places you can buy straight #1. Number 2 will gel up in the cold weather, but it is used in the summer months. I also have a engine block heater which is plugged in for several hours prior to starting. I also let it warm up for 10 minutes in the morning before putting it under load on the road. Power Service makes a diesel additive which will keep #2 diesel from gelling up in the cold weather, as well as another additive to keep the injectors clean and help to lessen the gel problem. William Olson John Culp wrote: > Isn't any "Premium Diesel" sold around here. > > John > > On Apr 23, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > >> Hey John, >> That is what Premiun Diesel is for. >> Run it in the cold weather. >> I have been told there is something in the Premiun Diesel that keeps >> it from getting so stiff in >> the cold. > > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 21:59:42 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 05:59:42 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether OT In-Reply-To: <426B21ED.6060808@wiktel.com> References: <20050424000027.35879.qmail@web31306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <426B21ED.6060808@wiktel.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050423215922f74aa9@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, William Olson wrote: > I have a 7.3 Powerstroke Diesel in my Ford up here in Northern Minnesota > and it starts fine in the cold, -30 to -40 degree temps in the winter > under the following conditions: The fuel up here is a blend of number 1 > and number 2 diesel in the winter. Or some places you can buy straight > #1. Number 2 will gel up in the cold weather, but it is used in the > summer months. I also have a engine block heater which is plugged in > for several hours prior to starting. I also let it warm up for 10 > minutes in the morning before putting it under load on the road. Power > Service makes a diesel additive which will keep #2 diesel from gelling > up in the cold weather, as well as another additive to keep the > injectors clean and help to lessen the gel problem. > William Olson When we used to run over to sweden with new truck chassis for building gensets onto, we had a couple of trips in -25 deg C (-13 F) and the garages used to sell an addative for the fuel which was basically White Spirit, a refined paraffin. Winter diesel over there already had it in, but the truckers used to put extra in if they were going north to the Arctic Circle. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From garyepps at fidnet.com Sat Apr 23 22:22:15 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:22:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <20050423.190530.1572.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050423.190530.1572.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <426B2D07.8000706@fidnet.com> Ron, Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. Gary rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332 > 755&rd=1 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From jdohagan at comcast.net Sat Apr 23 22:59:23 2005 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:59:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show Message-ID: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 23:30:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:30:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan Hi Jim: I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, but relatively rare in the UK. English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Apr 24 00:56:17 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:56:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01c548a3$19b0bf50$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of > > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the > > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete > > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd > > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the > > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > > Hi Jim: > I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my > initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster > construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, > but relatively rare in the UK. > English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details > on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a > particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US > engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it > wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. > Peter Hi Peter, I think this is an English Trusty. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/329399260grakvQ Thse Engine was made by Weyman & Hitchcock in Cheltenham. I think most of their engines were horizontal. ISTR that one of our Aussie members soaking a Trusty in a rust removal bath a couple of years ago. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From plb at iinet.net.au Sun Apr 24 01:19:26 2005 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:19:26 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> 239812460 Message-ID: <088401c548a6$58d3e560$0201010a@Portable> Our club here in Perth has a Trusty which apparently is one of only three of its type left. Its a horizontal engine and I was fortunate to carry out line boring the crank bearing bores and making new gun metal crank bearings. Trusty is mentioned in the A to Z of English engines and I forget whether they made any vertical engines. Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > > >> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine >> > of >> > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some >> > of the >> > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more >> > complete >> > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups >> > , I'd >> > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the >> > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan >> > Jim O'Hagan >> >> Hi Jim: >> I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my >> initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster >> construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, >> but relatively rare in the UK. >> English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details >> on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a >> particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US >> engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it >> wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. >> Peter > > Hi Peter, I think this is an English Trusty. > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/329399260grakvQ > Thse Engine was made by Weyman & Hitchcock in Cheltenham. > I think most of their engines were horizontal. > ISTR that one of our Aussie members soaking a Trusty in a rust removal > bath > a couple of years ago. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 24 04:58:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:58:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com><6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c548a3$19b0bf50$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Hello Dave .. Yes definately an English engine and quite rare. If you can get hold of a copy of TOMMS 100th edition there is an article that i wrote about our clubs Trusty. It took us something like three years from the time that i found it in an old drive in theatre in the mid west of Western Australia and it is still being restored . We recieved great help from Tim Maicare ,Richard Amos and Roland Craven [ who seems to have vanished] and Bill Young in Tokyo and Chris Maddely. There are two other engines like ours ,Tim Maicare has one in the UK , there is another in the Tokyo Science Museum.....Bill Young sent us some very helpful photos. Andy Self in South Africa has a Clayton Shuttle worth engine ,this is a version made after the take over of the original makers. The first engine was made in 1887 by Mr J.H.Knight in Farnham ,Surry ,UK. By 1894 the firm was taken over by the Shillingford Engineering . I believe the Timms Brothers have a couple of Clayton Shuttle worth versions . I tried to contact them for some information on their engines....never had a reply. [ These brothers seem to operate in a veil of secrecy]. Our engine,number 689 is an interesting continuous lamp type .It has a sideshaft driven air pump to blow across the lamp flame to the hot tube. A fuel pump is activated by demand by the pendulum governor. The ''Four Poster'' model is something else ....very desirable . Very little history on these engines . I did collect quite a bit but have since handed it on as i have left the city and no longer have any part in the restoration. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show > > >> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: >> > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine >> > of >> > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some >> > of the >> > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more >> > complete >> > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups >> > , I'd >> > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the >> > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan >> > Jim O'Hagan >> >> Hi Jim: >> I'll have a look back through the A-Z of English engines, but my >> initial feeling is that this was a US-built engine. The four-poster >> construction was fairly common in the USA, especially in California, >> but relatively rare in the UK. >> English engines of this era tended to have the maker's full details >> on, while this one only has the name and serial number. That is not a >> particularly odd factor, but one that tends to drive me towards a US >> engine. The other factor is that is looks like a marine engine, it >> wouldn't last very long outdoors in an agricultural environment. >> Peter > > Hi Peter, I think this is an English Trusty. > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/26047737/329399260grakvQ > Thse Engine was made by Weyman & Hitchcock in Cheltenham. > I think most of their engines were horizontal. > ISTR that one of our Aussie members soaking a Trusty in a rust removal > bath > a couple of years ago. > Dave Croft > Warrington > England > http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 24 05:07:39 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:07:39 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine References: <20050423075813.90042.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c548c6$39f1f590$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks David ........I am searching for a friend , he has built a steam boat ,compound engine . Now wants more speed . In the mean time the hot air powered gramophone is on the drawing board Thanks again... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Everett" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tessler Steam Turbine > Hi Peter > > Go to www.camdenmin.co.uk > > They have a book called "The Tesla Disc Turbine" by Cairns. Price ?5.90 > + postage > > Hope this helps. > > Regardsd > > Dave > Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea > > > > --- peter ogborne wrote: >> Does any one have any information on the Tessler Steam Turbine? >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 24 05:54:59 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:54:59 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: In a message dated 4/23/2005 3:46:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << The tank in mine has rounded corners and is not even being used. Want to get it back to stock. >> Ron, I will see if I can get some dimensions off mine today. It is mounted on a drop frame cart and not sure I can get all the dimensions, but I will see. Some where I have the web site of a man who made some and sells repro filler spouts of the 7 Economy. I purchased one several years ago and very pleased with the workmanship. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 24 06:26:10 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:26:10 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view Message-ID: <11.43edaf5e.2f9cf872@aol.com> In a message dated 4/23/2005 9:45:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: << I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. >> Larry, Interesting to see the different ideas folks come up with. The use of the yellow electric fence insulator is the simplest one of all. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Apr 24 07:10:05 2005 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 07:10:05 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050423175743.02867ec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20050424070944.00c39c58@mail.earthlink.net> Neat!! Bob Holtzer At 06:04 PM 4/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: >Hi...... > >Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent >pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on >something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as >I took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little >interest. Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing >at shows I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, >rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. > >Take a look at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/ > >Regards, > >Larry Evans >Arcadia, Southern California, USA >MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 24 08:11:10 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:11:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Preservation Opportunity? Weirton's Tod Engine! Message-ID: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> I have recently discovered that the 42" x 66" x 60" twin tandem compound reversing blooming mill engine at Weirton Steel (now Mittal Steel) is still in existance in the plant. I photographed this engine on October 27, 1997. Let me first say that this engine is big, and if I say its big then you can be assured that its massive to anyone else!! Our Tod engine weighs about 260 tons and is about 27' x 47'. This engine weighs over 500 tons and is about 30' x 60' in size. This engine is historically significant because it is the last engine built at the William Tod plant. William Tod Co. was purchased in 1916 by United Engineering and Foundry and United continued to build engines until 1921 when this engine was built and shipped. It represents the apex of blooming mill engine design and incorporated several novel features and a slightly different design than previous Tod Twin tandem compound reversing engines. I will attempt to contact the plant management to determine their level of interest in preserving this engine, either in whole or in part. I don't know what options the steel plant might be willing to consider. The best scenario would be for the company to commit to leave it in place for the forseeable future. Obviously leaving it in situ would be the best solution, but its in the middle of their plant sandwiched between the blooming mill and open hearth buildings. Removal of the entire engine would be doable and within the capabilities of the Tod Engine Foundation but would require the financial backing of the steel plant or another donor to make it happen. The third option would be the salvage of certain parts for display at the Tod Engine Heritage Park in Youngstown. Such parts might include cylinders, connecting rods and valve gear. This is an exciting opportunity to perhaps preserve what would no doubt be the largest stationary steam engine in North America. I have posted photos of my visit to this engine on October 27, 1997 and a couple of other photos to our webshots album at http://community.webshots.com/album/329486197RnPbjB I'll keep everyone posted on any developments. Rick Rowlands Executive Director Tod Engine Heritage Park William Tod 34" x 68" x 60" Cross Compound Steam Engine Youngstown, OH http://www.todengine.org/ Photo Albums Online: http://community.webshots.com/user/todengine From jerrye at databak.co.za Sun Apr 24 17:14:59 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:14:59 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby logo Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050424171459.009add60@127.0.0.1> Hello The List, A few weeks ago list members helped me by finding the Massey Harris Logo. Thanks again. This time I am looking for a good clean copy the Ruston & Hornsby "RH" Logo. It is the one that has the "R" and "H" letters intertwined with each other and appeared on the castings of some Rustons. An example can be seen here < www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rhlogo.htm > I scanned this one from a parts drawing in one of the Ruston manuals and then redrew it but the original was less than 10mm (3/8") in diameter and not very distinct. I am not too happy with the result and am hoping someone has a better original for me to copy. Many thanks in advance. Jerry Evans Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From peter at loud-n-clear.net Sun Apr 24 08:14:13 2005 From: peter at loud-n-clear.net (Peter Scales) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:14:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <6f60251605042323303b1b0473@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c548a3$19b0bf50$fa4c1152@no1> <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: In message <000a01c548c4$e48a83c0$499881cb at ogborneuah38i3>, peter ogborne writes >We recieved great help from Tim Maicare >,Richard Amos and Roland Craven [ who seems to have vanished] Roland Craven was alive and well last time I saw him, about four weeks ago, and is still posting to the uk.rec.engines.stationary newsgroup, where there was a reported sighting of him at Enstone bring-and-buy on Saturday 23 April 05. Regards Pete -- Peter Scales From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 24 08:29:53 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:29:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank References: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <000701c548e2$770bd4c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> 8" wide x 15" long x 6" deep is the one John Wanat made for my 5 hp Economy. Mike Royster ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:53 PM Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank > Hi all. > I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know the > correct dimensions? Thanks. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paul at semidiesel.com Sun Apr 24 08:57:46 2005 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:57:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ogborne writes > Roland Craven [ who seems to have vanished] On the left of the pic http://www.internalfire.com/albums/album38/phall2.sized.jpg whilst running the National gas engine at the Museum's Easter Rally, looking suitably worried at the rattles :-) http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=50&mode=&order=0&thold=0 Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/05 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Apr 24 09:18:33 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:18:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank References: <20050422.205338.1220.1.rdhaskell@juno.com> <000701c548e2$770bd4c0$98668645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: Ron, go here and hit fwd. to see some pix's and measurements of the one that came off my 5hp. Maybe you can plug them into an equation and get them right for your's. John W. also built my new one and he put a vent in the top. These buggers are a PITA to fill without the vent as the gas burbles back when one pours too fast. http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/55434509qRIkJu Hope this helps! RickinMt. PS: this is for the one with the filler on the off side. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Royster" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy gas tank > 8" wide x 15" long x 6" deep is the one John Wanat made for my 5 hp > Economy. > > Mike Royster > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:53 PM > Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank > > > > Hi all. > > I need to make a gas tank for my 1917 7hp Economy. Does anyone know > > the > > correct dimensions? Thanks. > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 09:30:32 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 17:30:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preservation Opportunity? Weirton's Tod Engine! In-Reply-To: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6f60251605042409302d17f474@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Tod Engine wrote: > I have recently discovered that the 42" x 66" x 60" twin tandem compound >reversing blooming mill engine at Weirton Steel (now Mittal Steel) is still in >existance in the plant. > I'll keep everyone posted on any developments. > > Rick Rowlands Mittal (the person) who owns the steel comapnies is based in the UK, I'll try and find a contact address for him. he would be a good start. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 09:44:29 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:44:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050424.094430.1488.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Tom. I got a repo filler from Ray Gardner in Oregon, looks nice. I am going to make a tank, it might as well be the correct size. The height is probably from the supporting straps to just enough to get the filler at the top. Width, just enough to fit inside the base. Length might not be so obvious, just long enough to catch the two supports on the bottom. It uses so little fuel that a large capacity is not needed. Thanks again. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > Ron, > > I will see if I can get some dimensions off mine today. It is > mounted on a > drop frame cart and not sure I can get all the dimensions, but I > will see. > Some where I have the web site of a man who made some and sells > repro filler > spouts of the 7 Economy. I purchased one several years ago and very > pleased with > the workmanship. > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 10:15:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:15:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050424.101530.1488.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Mike. The 7 hp is a little larger. Tom came through with the measurements for it. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:29:53 -0400 "Mike Royster" writes: > 8" wide x 15" long x 6" deep is the one John Wanat made for my 5 hp > Economy. > > Mike Royster From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 10:17:18 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:17:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <20050424.101718.1488.4.rdhaskell@juno.com> Thanks Rick. The vent is an excellent idea. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Apr 24 10:24:40 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:24:40 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank Message-ID: <1c7.273541fc.2f9d3058@aol.com> In a message dated 4/24/2005 1:13:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdhaskell at juno.com writes: << The height is probably from the supporting straps to just enough to get the filler at the to >> Ron, The height is just to the underside of the casting. It is a tight fit when sitting on the straps and bumps the casting on top. Maybe to help stabilize it in the housing? You are correct in that it takes a long time to use the fuel. I think I ran mine for three days at Kinsers (Lancaster, Pa.) before I ran out one time. I usually run my engines all day. Tom From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Apr 24 10:47:05 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:47:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank In-Reply-To: <1c7.273541fc.2f9d3058@aol.com> References: <1c7.273541fc.2f9d3058@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050424134530.026a2fa0@mail.alltel.net> >You are correct in that it takes a long time to use the >fuel. I think I ran mine for three days at Kinsers (Lancaster, Pa.) >before I ran >out one time. I usually run my engines all day. >Tom I get about 8-10 hours on a gallon of gasoline running my 16 HP Galloway at an idle at a show. Dave From nick at holden1.net Sun Apr 24 11:12:30 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:12:30 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Using Adobe photoshop 8 for drawing Engine transfers (Decalsin US) References: <000d01c54836$c8a41ec0$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <426BE18E.000001.00716@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Dave try this Avery Design pro it will bend the text all the way round very easy to use hope this helps http://www.avery.com/uk1/home/home.jsp Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Dave Croft Date: 04/23/05 20:20:10 To: atis Cc: oldengine Subject: [SEL] Using Adobe photoshop 8 for drawing Engine transfers (Decalsin US) In the past when I have been cleaning up engine decals for people using Adobe photoshop the hardest part has been bending the writing round the decal. See http://community.webshots.com/photo/130641573/328885515zvjTRy for one I did earlier. 8^) I have just discovered that the CS version lets you bend text but using the methods are not the easiest things to learn. Is anyone else trying to learn this so we can discuss ways & help each other? Dave Croft Warrington England davecroft at nospammershere.co.uk This does work! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 From gwaugh at wowway.com Sun Apr 24 11:41:19 2005 From: gwaugh at wowway.com (Gene Waugh) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:41:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cute little lathe In-Reply-To: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <200504241841.j3OIfH514027@pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com> Ebay Item No: 8186156988 Cute little thang! Gene Gene Waugh Elgin, Illinois USA From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Apr 24 11:52:11 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:52:11 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Economy gas tank In-Reply-To: <20050424.094430.1488.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <200504241852.j3OIqH5D045050@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > I got a repo filler from Ray Gardner in Oregon, looks nice. > I am going to make a tank, it might as well be the correct size. Hi Ron, Here's a couple observations from using a repro tank that was purchased from one of the big parts suppliers. I don't know if it was supposed to be an "exact" reproduction or not. First, it didnt' come with a breather. Pouring gas into an unvented tank is downright silly. Secondly the material was flimsy. The fill-spout pipe is several inches long and unsupported. There is potential for problems. Third, a solder joint for one of the fittings was faulty. It wasn't evident for a couple years, but it eventually broke off. The problem was probably exacerbated by the flimsy material. The tank isn't readily accessible once the engine is mounted on a cart, so it's gotta be perfect. I guess my point is, it's good you're building it yourself. Rob From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 16:07:31 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If ya go fer it Gary,,, Watch this guy. Take a look at his "Other Items." Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) Alan Bowen --- Gary Epps wrote: > Ron, > > Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. > > Gary > > rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: > > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 > > > > Ron Haskell > > rdhaskell at juno.com > > Riverside, California > > USA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > -- > In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move > at a leisurely pace. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sun Apr 24 16:14:35 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:14:35 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby logo References: <3.0.6.32.20050424171459.009add60@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <002701c54923$658dc500$699881cb@ogborneuah38i3> Try Ray Hooley . Give Google a go ,Ray is the register of the R&H archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Evans" To: Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Ruston & Hornsby logo > Hello The List, > A few weeks ago list members helped me by finding the Massey Harris Logo. > Thanks again. > > This time I am looking for a good clean copy the Ruston & Hornsby "RH" > Logo. It is the one that has the "R" and "H" letters intertwined with each > other and appeared on the castings of some Rustons. > > An example can be seen here < www.oldengine.org/members/evans/rhlogo.htm > > > I scanned this one from a parts drawing in one of the Ruston manuals and > then redrew it but the original was less than 10mm (3/8") in diameter and > not very distinct. I am not too happy with the result and am hoping > someone has a better original for me to copy. > > Many thanks in advance. > Jerry Evans > Best regards > Jerry Evans. > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery > > Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery > Alternative ! > We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack > / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition > Loss > (FDISK). > We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. > Visit our site: > http://www.databak.co.za > Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 > Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 > eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za > Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa > > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From todengine at zoominternet.net Sun Apr 24 16:40:39 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:40:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do I. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine cart > If ya go fer it Gary,,, > Watch this guy. > Take a look at his "Other Items." > Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) > > Alan Bowen > > --- Gary Epps wrote: >> Ron, >> >> Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >> >> Gary >> >> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >> > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >> > >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 >> > >> > Ron Haskell >> > rdhaskell at juno.com >> > Riverside, California >> > USA >> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> > >> >> -- >> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >> at a leisurely pace. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 24 16:47:07 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 16:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050424234707.62478.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Larry, I can just imagine the looks you got taking those pictures. It is a good supply of idea for our group though. Thank you!! What is he pounding the stakes into on this photo? http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake01t.jpg I like the hookup best in this photo, but for cost I would use rerod. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake05t.jpg Like this guy did,, http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake12t.jpg At our local show,, Buckley, Michigan, the club puts up a single rope. I cut the rope and tie an end to one of my canopy poles and the other end to a post to make an entry area. Last year for the first time I saw the guy in charge of the engine area (John) walking around and putting ropes back up. He didn't say anything to me about my opening and when a guy told him he had his rope down so he could come and go without stepping over it John went and got another stake and made him an opening like mine. 8>)) At the meeting before the show they said the insurance guy would be walking around during the show. I guess that is why John wanted the ropes to stay up. I didn't really like the ropes at all until two years ago I had a kid that just wouldn't listen trying play with a running engine. He wouldn't mind his parents even. I had to take the kid in hand myself and walk him back through the gate. This kid was about 12-13 years old, but acting more like a 6 year old on way too much sugar. Alan Bowen --- Larry Evans wrote: > Hi...... > > Knowing that Peter was walking around taking hundreds of his excellent > pictures of all the cool engines and trucks I decided to concentrate on > something a little different this year. I did get a few strange looks as I > took the pictures but you might find them of at least a little > interest. Since there was discussion a while back regarding area fencing > at shows I took a few pictures of several different types of fence stakes, > rope fastening methods, etc. Some of them are actually quite clever. > Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Apr 24 19:11:05 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <426C51B9.9010108@wightman.ca> Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. Duncan Tod Engine wrote: > Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do I. > > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine cart > > >> If ya go fer it Gary,,, >> Watch this guy. >> Take a look at his "Other Items." >> Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) >> >> Alan Bowen >> >> --- Gary Epps wrote: >> >>> Ron, >>> >>> Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >>> > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >>> > >>> > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 >> >> >>> > >>> > Ron Haskell >>> > rdhaskell at juno.com >>> > Riverside, California >>> > USA >>> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SEL mailing list >>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> > >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>> at a leisurely pace. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From lfevans at pacbell.net Sun Apr 24 18:24:49 2005 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:24:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Tulare - Another view In-Reply-To: <20050424234707.62478.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050424234707.62478.qmail@web31310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050424182158.02913088@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> At 04:47 PM 4/24/2005, you wrote: >Hi Larry, > >I can just imagine the looks you got taking those pictures. It is a good >supply of idea for our >group though. >Thank you!! > >What is he pounding the stakes into on this photo? >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake01t.jpg Just some very hard packed dirt. >I like the hookup best in this photo, but for cost I would use rerod. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake05t.jpg I suspect you really meant this picture. http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake09.html >Like this guy did,, >http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/stakes/stake12t.jpg Larry Evans MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 23 17:15:59 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:15:59 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Caution Using Ether In-Reply-To: <7c5751258e511bd346d3f7168ef6de41@chartertn.net> References: <7c5751258e511bd346d3f7168ef6de41@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <426AE53F.5070606@optusnet.com.au> In the power houses, we used just one or two drops in a 500 hp diesel, air-start, no glow plugs. Holding a piece of burning or smouldering rag or paper near the air intake so it sucks in the smoke also works. JW?? ======== John Culp wrote: > > BTW, if you've got AC power available, a big hair dryer pointed into > the intake is a big help with starting a cold Diesel. > > John From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 19:41:43 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:41:43 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Trusty engine at Tulare show In-Reply-To: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> References: <200504240559.j3O5xPQg060105@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042419415a12dd34@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Jim O'Hagan wrote: > Hi Peter, Thanks for all the pictures of Tulare. Is the Trusty engine of > English origin? It kind of has the look! This example is missing some of the > ignition system as well as the fuel components. Are there any more complete > versions over on your side of the pond? If some one had some close ups , I'd > forward them to Greg, the owner. Does any one have any history on the > company that manufactured the Trusty 4 poster? Thanks Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan Hi again, Jim: Seems that you have had some useful responses on the Trusty, hopefully that will help get the engine sorted out. Something stuck in the back of my mind on this name, and I spent a while looking through the back issues of Stationary Engine magazine until I found it. In the July 1995 issue, David Edgington says in relation to the Felix engine "The Felix engine is like the Trusty, it's easier to list those who 'didn't' make one! " -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 20:20:55 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 04:20:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preservation Opportunity? Weirton's Tod Engine! In-Reply-To: <6f60251605042409302d17f474@mail.gmail.com> References: <012a01c548df$da5493d0$a65bef18@pengy> <6f60251605042409302d17f474@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f602516050424202051ecdb5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/24/05, Listerdiesel wrote: > On 4/24/05, Tod Engine wrote: > > I have recently discovered that the 42" x 66" x 60" twin tandem compound >reversing blooming mill engine at Weirton Steel (now Mittal Steel) is still in >existance in the plant. > > > > > I'll keep everyone posted on any developments. > > > > Rick Rowlands > > Mittal (the person) who owns the steel comapnies is based in the UK, > I'll try and find a contact address for him. he would be a good start. > > Peter Hi Rick: I have emailed the company HQ in London, it is based in the UK and the Netherlands. I have explained the position re the engine and asked if we could have a contact name etc to start some dialogue. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Sun Apr 24 20:23:48 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:23:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart Message-ID: <20050424.202348.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> That is a fan shaft and support for the D. The bevel gear drives off the governor, and the fan goes on the other end. D's were thermo-syphon, no water pump. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0500 Duncan Denman writes: > Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. > > Duncan > > > Tod Engine wrote: > > > Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do > I. > > > > Rick From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Apr 24 20:36:02 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:36:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <426C65A2.2000204@fidnet.com> He is certainly not very precise in his descriptions is he? Gary Alan Bowen wrote: > If ya go fer it Gary,,, > Watch this guy. > Take a look at his "Other Items." > Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) > > Alan Bowen > > --- Gary Epps wrote: > >>Ron, >> >>Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >> >>Gary >> >>rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >> >>>Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >>> >>> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 > >>>Ron Haskell >>>rdhaskell at juno.com >>>Riverside, California >>>USA >>>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >>-- >>In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>at a leisurely pace. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From garyepps at fidnet.com Sun Apr 24 20:51:46 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:51:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <426C51B9.9010108@wightman.ca> References: <20050424230731.36741.qmail@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <01a701c54927$059b8e80$a65bef18@pengy> <426C51B9.9010108@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <426C6952.70807@fidnet.com> I would have thought it is an upper water pipe for a D. Maybe a water pump for a thermo syphon cooling system looks different. :) Gary Duncan Denman wrote: > Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. > > Duncan > > > Tod Engine wrote: > >> Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do I. >> >> Rick >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Bowen" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [SEL] Engine cart >> >> >>> If ya go fer it Gary,,, >>> Watch this guy. >>> Take a look at his "Other Items." >>> Check out what he has listed as a steam engine. 8>)) >>> >>> Alan Bowen >>> >>> --- Gary Epps wrote: >>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the heads up. It is probably a reacheable distance for me. >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >>>> > Was someone looking for a medium sized engine cart? >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63953&item=7510332755&rd=1 >>> >>> >>>> > >>>> > Ron Haskell >>>> > rdhaskell at juno.com >>>> > Riverside, California >>>> > USA >>>> > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SEL mailing list >>>> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move >>>> at a leisurely pace. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SEL mailing list >>>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>> http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Apr 24 23:44:38 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Was Tulare Pictures, Now Engine Pictures In-Reply-To: <426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com> <426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> Message-ID: <426C91D6.80905@steamengine.com.au> That was the year of the Aussie Invasion when the show committee gave us the light for Hawaii since no-one from that state was there and it was nearest to Australia :) One of those outstanding ironies, without talking about it before hand we all turned up in driz-a-bone coats and typical bush hats - it would not have worked if we planned it! Paul Gary Epps wrote: > I figured that was the case, and you said it much more succinctly than I > did. > > Yes, we plan to be at Portland. It's been too long since I've been > there. The last time I was there Reg and Peter & Kaye were there and > maybe Paul P. At any rate it has been a long time. > > Gary > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 25 00:10:47 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:10:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz References: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Now I am confused.I went to put some square nuts on today and they were chamfered on both sides.So then I decided to use some hex nuts instead and dam they were also chamfered on both sides .What do I do now I am so confused I can't stand it!It would seem that I will be right and wrong at the same time if I use them. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:40 Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > > > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that > > on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the > > rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. > > > Hi Square Nutz! > Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method > of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 25 00:14:46 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:14:46 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy References: <200504210609.j3L69Juq059060@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <004301c54966$76e15d60$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Patrick that is beautiful. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:09 Subject: RE: [SEL] A New Toy > I gave the little engine a good clean up last night. I also unstuck the > rings and found an intake valve spring for it. It now has good compression. > After a lot of careful cleaning with kero and a paintbrush I oiled it up and > it looks very nice. A lot of original paint and lining :) > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/small1.html > New pics at the bottom of the page. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ruston at orc.ca Mon Apr 25 02:11:55 2005 From: ruston at orc.ca (Pat Ruston) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 05:11:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com><426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com> <426C91D6.80905@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <002701c54976$d426d350$0200000a@patruston> Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water appeared to be in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, there is some scale build up in water hopper, thanks for any and all replies. Pat Ruston St. Pauls Station Ontario, Canada ruston at orc.ca From listerdiesel at gmail.com Mon Apr 25 04:35:47 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:35:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz In-Reply-To: <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> References: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <6f60251605042504354591054f@mail.gmail.com> On 4/25/05, edd payne wrote: > Now I am confused.I went to put some square nuts on today and they were > chamfered on both sides.So then I decided to use some hex nuts instead and > dam they were also chamfered on both sides .What do I do now I am so > confused I can't stand it!It would seem that I will be right and wrong at > the same time if I use them. > EDD PAYNE It is a matter of age as much as anything. Square nuts with a chamfer on one side only were used where the whole assembly was painted over after assembly. The second chamfer or a washer was added for those items which were pre-painted and the unchamfered side would tear the paint surface. We can still buy square nuts with single chamfer, even in Metric threads if we want them, and the old Coach Bolts are still available. Our local nut & bolt supplier has excellent contacts for some of this stuff. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 25 05:21:10 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:21:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Message-ID: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, playing engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, motorbikes and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ Holden Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain down there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the photos). The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. Some pictures at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 25 05:51:41 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:51:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hercules straight frame cart Message-ID: <97.5e2fa6f2.2f9e41dd@aol.com> In a message dated 4/23/2005 5:43:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mtucker at uky.edu writes: << I'm looking for a Hercules straight frame cart for a 5 hp engine >> Mike, I sent you an email with photos off list. Did you receive it? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Mon Apr 25 05:57:43 2005 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (edd payne) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:57:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally References: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <001701c54996$600835c0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Well done as usual mate. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:21 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally > A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, playing > engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, motorbikes > and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' > engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I > helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ Holden > Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for > the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain down > there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the photos). > The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was > plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. > Some pictures at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 25 08:28:02 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:28:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator..connecting leads to carbonbrushes Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > MaytagTwin at aol.com > Regards, > Ron Carroll > Clearmont, Missouri, USA Ron, After reading that description, I'm sure glad I don't need to attach the wires to the carbon brushes! Luckily, the bushes fit in a hold and are secured with a simple thumb screw. I also do a lot of reading in the throne room and have a handy drawer full of misc books and magazines ;-) George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 25 10:30:39 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:30:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D In-Reply-To: <002701c54976$d426d350$0200000a@patruston> Message-ID: <200504251730.j3PHUgZq043472@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water appeared > to be in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, > there is some scale build up in Perfectly normal on that engine, especially when running at full speed. At low speed, and no load, it will still boil a little bit. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California mailto:rskinner at rustyiron.com http://www.rustyiron.com From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 25 11:05:34 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:05:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Westinghouse DC generator..connecting leads to carbonbrushes Message-ID: <1e8.39e5e964.2f9e8b6e@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:45:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: Ron, After reading that description, I'm sure glad I don't need to attach the wires to the carbon brushes! Luckily, the bushes fit in a hold and are secured with a simple thumb screw. I also do a lot of reading in the throne room and have a handy drawer full of misc books and magazines ;-) George Hi George, I, too, am glad I don't have to make up any mercury copper amalgam. It looks like a tedious process but I am glad to know it could be done in the home shop. When we had Western Auto stores in abundance, and I needed brushes, I could go through their stock of brushes and either find the exact brush I wanted, or, one slightly larger. If larger I would lay out a sheet of sandpaper on a flat surface, and with figure 8 motion, reduce the brush to fit. Western Auto at that time provide soft graphite or carbon brushes which were used in auto generators, and, harder brushes that looked like a mix of carbon and copper. I suspect they were a mix of the mercury copper amalgam as described in the old book. The harder brushes were used in starter motors and had to carry a stronger current. As you are no doubt aware, higher voltage DC can hurt you more than the same voltage in AC. Your generator sounds like a fun project and I hope to see it once you get it going. Do you remember seeing pictures of an engine show in Australia several years back where the exhibitors had, for the most part, brought lighting generators and lights? They ran the show into the evening and early dark hours, lighting the grounds with the generators on display. It was a really pretty picture and reminded me of, as a boy, going to the small carnivals that would set up in a farmer's hay field and had to provide all their own power. I think I was as impressed with the engines and generators as the rides so my iron fever affliction was early onset. :>) Regards, Ron From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 25 11:07:11 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:07:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling hopper? Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides cooling the engine. George > -----Original Message----- > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > appeared to be > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, From nick at holden1.net Mon Apr 25 11:58:05 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <426D3DBD.000004.01604@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi George yes i tried hard boiling eggs once in the hopper of a lister B i had it took ages ok if you put them in early when i tried it took around 50 min's to cook it would be ok i think if the engine was working hard to get the water really hot not just looking hot Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Best, George Date: 04/25/05 19:26:16 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling hopper? Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides cooling the engine. George > -----Original Message----- > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > appeared to be > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 25 12:23:19 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:23:19 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <000e01c549cc$4090bab0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi George, it's very normal here in Holland to cook something while running the engine at shows. Favorites are eggs, can soup, can hot dogs, smoked sausages and even cut and dried food. Another use for the hot water is washing your dirty hands with lots of grease and carbon. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling > hopper? > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. > > George From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 25 12:30:02 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:30:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: In a message dated 4/25/2005 2:49:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, George_Best at adp.com writes: << Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides cooling the engine >> Hot dogs in a plastic bag! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Apr 25 12:39:26 2005 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:39:26 EDT Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. Message-ID: This is my latest project. It is a 4ft diameter x 1 3/4 thick(2 layers) wooden wheel that goes on the church bell for the rope to go around and ring the bell. I guess the bell weighs over 1000lbs. The old one rotted out after 40-50 years. I have built it out of cypress and waterproof expanding polyurethane glue. In photo 6 you can see the glue still coming out in the rope groove. After drying, I will scrape off extra glue, stain, and then paint two coats. We took two bottle jacks and some timbers and climbed up thru the steeple, jacked up one side of the bell slightly and removed the cast legs from one side of bell and removed the old wheel. To fit and cut all the pieces I made a full scale template on masonite. If I had not done this, I could not figure any other way to cut the ends of the outer rim radiused pieces to butt together perfectly. The inner hub is cast steel which adapts the wheel to the bell axle. It has been a fun project. Should last longer than me! http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel1 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel2 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel3 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel4 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel5 http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel6 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From don.h at wcoil.com Mon Apr 25 13:20:16 2005 From: don.h at wcoil.com (Don) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:20:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <426D3DBD.000004.01604@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <001101c549d4$31bea800$152ea8c0@shuttle> Hard boiled eggs arent bad but the darn oil taste takes getting used to..Never did try boiling a chicken in a hopper engine I guess it woud take a oil field size or a small chicken... Don where there is water evrywhere Think Spring From George_Best at adp.com Mon Apr 25 13:53:28 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:53:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > John Hammink > Another use for the hot water is washing your dirty hands > with lots of grease and carbon. John, I've done that a few time myself. Of course it helps if the hopper water is just warm. This summer I'll be at a show at the Oregon coast. It's in an area were there are a lot of Dungeness crabs. Wouldn't it make an interesting display to have a tank full of live crabs and during the day toss a live crab into the boiling water in an engine hopper! You could probably fool some spectators into thinking you've got an antique gas powered crab cooker! ;-) George From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Apr 25 14:17:20 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:17:20 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <426D5E60.4477BD19@insulate.co.uk> Hi John and George, Tank cooled engines are best for hand washing: http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/1000eng/handwashing.jpg For detailed instructions for cooking eggs in a hopper, try the SEL cookbook: http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm Here's Dave Croft cooking black pudding in the hopper of his Danish Uller engine at Astle Park, 2000 http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg and here is the black pudding being enjoyed by Philip Thornton Evison, Dave Croft and Arnie. Finally, here's a pic of Arnie's Lorenz, complete with Boston lobster in the cooling tank: http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland2001/show/lor+dom.jpg Dolly > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From Vivas1993 at aol.com Mon Apr 25 14:35:43 2005 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:35:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. Message-ID: <20.439ad14a.2f9ebcaf@aol.com> Hi Tom, Nice work ! You look real proud, and you should be !! Now I know who to call when I need some custom woodwork done ;o) See ya next month at the show. Dwight Vivas Matoaca, VA. From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Apr 25 14:44:51 2005 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:44:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: Message-ID: <001301c549e0$051c7460$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Thanks Rob.Steve and Richard: Today I tried the bluing and the Dry molly , the blueing did a good job but after trying the dry molly I think I will go with that as it looks good and it lubes at the same time, If I find some of the stove polish I will experiment with it also, got all the parts needed ordered today from Norm at Hit & Miss, they have everything I need from cam gears to oversize valves , thanks for the Help Rex If it aint broke ,,,, Break it !!! Then you'll have a project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > Hi Steve; > This subject came up several years ago and what I use is Dry Spray Moly in > a rattle can. It seems to protect against rust yet lubricates, and can be > somewhat polished up. I usually spray it on a warm surface and let it dry > for several hours before rubbing it with a soft cloth. It will not rub off > on you when polished and seems resistent to gas and oils used with the old > engines, and can be removed with some of the stronger solvents. > > I've used it on valve stems, gears, pushrods, and various other places. > Her's some pix's of it on the sawrig: > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200715640wmGDeW > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200716731qKKXTa > > here's some I used on Eco > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76455331imPOHM > > > Some people would like to try this on their squeaky trailer hitch balls and > avoid the greasy mess. > > The bad news...I no longer know where to get it, but Spudhead is doing > some research with the old work. > > "Works for me" > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Royster" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:00 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > > Stove polish looks nice also! Steve > > > > >From: "Rex Hinz" > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > >To: > > >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > > > > > >Hi All; > > > > > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and because of > > >the > > >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint it , > > >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were painted > > >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis to > > >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium > > >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright > > >shinny > > >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint > > >them, > > >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on cast > > >iron > > >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , > > >anybody > > >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a > > >thread > > >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > > > > > >Rex Hinz > > > > > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >SEL mailing list > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 25 14:50:18 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:50:18 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <426D5E60.4477BD19@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000901c549e0$c90afe50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Hi Helen, I miss that picture of Philip Tornon Evidence eating the hopper cooked Black Pudding together with Dave and Arnie. I like the twin washing demo the best :o) John H. > Hi John and George, > > Tank cooled engines are best for hand washing: > http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/1000eng/handwashing.jpg > > For detailed instructions for cooking eggs in a hopper, try the SEL > cookbook: > http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/cookbook.htm > > Here's Dave Croft cooking black pudding in the hopper of his Danish Uller > engine at Astle Park, 2000 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg > and here is the black pudding being enjoyed by Philip Thornton Evison, Dave > Croft and Arnie. > > Finally, here's a pic of Arnie's Lorenz, complete with Boston lobster in > the cooling tank: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/portland2001/show/lor+dom.jpg > > Dolly > > > > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Apr 25 14:54:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:54:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <001301c549e1$68fa98d0$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> George when you take care for some fresh water in the tank without oil, it could be a delicious engine play. John H. > > You could probably fool some spectators into thinking you've got an > antique gas powered crab cooker! ;-) > > George From jerrye at databak.co.za Tue Apr 26 00:55:22 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:55:22 Subject: [SEL] Gerald Buitendach's Engine Day Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050426005522.009bfd20@127.0.0.1> Hi Everybody, The first pics are up on my website of Geralds Engineday that was held on Saturday. Follow the link halfway down the page. Best regards Jerry Evans. Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery ----- The lower cost Data Recovery Alternative ! We recover your LOST DATA resulting from Hard Drive Failure / Virus attack / Accidental or Malicious Deletion of files, Reformatting or Partition Loss (FDISK). We also retrieve lost passwords for most popular programmes. Visit our site: http://www.databak.co.za Tel: (016)365-5787 and 083 293 7191 Tel. Intntl.: +27(16)365-5787 eMail: jerrye at cyberserv.co.za Snail Mail: P.O.Box 521, Randvaal. 1873. Republic of South Africa --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From lcjudge at scrtc.com Mon Apr 25 08:31:03 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:39:03 +0108 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: <2.1.1-221334-377-A-OEWW@mail.scrtc.com> nick wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:58:05 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) > From: "nick" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Subject: Re: [SEL] Hopper cooking > > George, > > I remember David Craycraft of Winchester, Ky and the 2 hp Hagan that > he used to show. At about 7:00 am he would fire it up and get it > boiling. He would then place a towel in it and use it to shave. I'd > seen him boil eggs in it before also. I don't know if they had a > little shaving creme on them or not (I never ate any when he offered) > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, Ky > > Hi George > > yes i tried hard boiling eggs once in the hopper of a lister B > i had > . From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 25 16:09:57 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:09:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. From brock at netspeed.com.au Mon Apr 25 16:30:49 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:30:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz References: <200504202340.j3KNedUS023650@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001901c54965$e8684800$2184dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003001c549ee$d2112430$5f11fea9@merlin> G,day Edd i had a simlar prob today i went to the hardware shop to get some square nuts they where also chamferd both sides so now i dont know what im gunna do i m very destrested with this matter . Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: "edd payne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > Now I am confused.I went to put some square nuts on today and they were > chamfered on both sides.So then I decided to use some hex nuts instead and > dam they were also chamfered on both sides .What do I do now I am so > confused I can't stand it!It would seem that I will be right and wrong at > the same time if I use them. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Skinner" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:40 > Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Pinned Rings - Problems or Not? now back to nutz > > >> >> > You'd be surprised at the number of folks that have said that >> > on their piece of old iron the nuts were installed with the >> > rounded edge toward the surface being clamped. >> >> >> Hi Square Nutz! >> Machinery's Handbook says that the proper method >> of nut manufacture is to chamfer the clamping edge. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kkinney at herculesengines.com Mon Apr 25 16:45:30 2005 From: kkinney at herculesengines.com (Keith Kinney) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050425184412.053f1e40@mail.herculesengines.com> At one of the shows one of the ofes members put about 50 hot dogs in a plastic bag and stuck it in his Reid's water tank. At noon we all had lunch. Keith At 01:07 PM 4/25/2005, you wrote: >Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling >hopper? >Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > >Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides >cooling the engine. > >George > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > > appeared to be > > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 25 17:14:22 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:14:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: <20050425.204133.252.4.jlb94@juno.com> My Favorite - - - Chef Boyardee Ravioli And - Sometimes - Spaghetti-o's In my Witte - With the water boiling - Hard boiled eggs could be possible - but - Would you want to eat it after boiling in that oily water ?. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 25 17:57:04 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:57:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. Message-ID: <20050425.210618.252.6.jlb94@juno.com> Nice job Tom, Lots of work there. Don't forget to get a little plaque made and attach it on the wheel or somewhere telling who made it - and when. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Mon Apr 25 18:33:27 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:33:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <426D9A67.10901@optusnet.com.au> R & M Ingold wrote: > Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! ========= Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? JW ========= From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 19:22:53 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (dnicolson40 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical Message-ID: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Hello! David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= Here is a message describing the photos: Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. Thanks in advance Dave in oz You can also create your own photo album to share with family and friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html AOL Users: Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser. Click here Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of Epson PhotoCenter: - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. And that's just the beginning. Changing the picture of photography.TM http://photo.epson.com/ Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, CA 90806 From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 25 20:22:02 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:22:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426DB3DA.5080006@wightman.ca> My Dad has cooked an egg in the hopper of his International LB. Want to do this in an engine which does not have any oil getting into the hopper I would think. Duncan Best, George wrote: >Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling >hopper? >Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > >Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides >cooling the engine. > >George > > > >>-----Original Message----- >> >> >>>Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. >>>912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water >>> >>> >>appeared to be >> >> >>>in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, >>> >>> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 25 19:35:11 2005 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:35:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <200504260235.j3Q2Z79Q061507@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Hi Dave, Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. Thanks in advance Dave in oz From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 25 19:35:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:35:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: Beenie Weenie's George..don't get no better. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking > Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling > hopper? > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. > > George > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. > > > 912630, after running approximately 1/2 hour the water > > appeared to be > > > in a roiling boil, wondering if this is normal temperature, > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Apr 25 20:38:15 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:38:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Engine cart In-Reply-To: <20050424.202348.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> References: <20050424.202348.1460.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: <426DB7A7.40900@wightman.ca> Yep. Same as my unstyled AR Duncan rdhaskell at juno.com wrote: >That is a fan shaft and support for the D. The bevel gear drives off the >governor, and the fan goes on the other end. >D's were thermo-syphon, no water pump. > >Ron Haskell >rdhaskell at juno.com >Riverside, California >USA >http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > >On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:11:05 -0500 Duncan Denman >writes: > > >>Interesting what he is calling a water pump for a John Deere D. >> >>Duncan >> >> >>Tod Engine wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well at least he says that he doesn't know what it is. Neither do >>> >>> >>I. >> >> >>>Rick >>> >>> >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 25 19:41:48 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:41:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: <001301c549e0$051c7460$1a86a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: So Rex..where'd ya get the dry moly spray? We're out TIA Rickinmt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Hinz" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > Thanks Rob.Steve and Richard: > > Today I tried the bluing and the Dry molly , the blueing did a good > job but after trying the dry molly I think I will go with that as it looks > good and it lubes at the same time, If I find some of the stove polish I > will experiment with it also, got all the parts needed ordered today from > Norm at Hit & Miss, they have everything I need from cam gears to oversize > valves , thanks for the Help > > Rex > > If it aint broke ,,,, Break it !!! Then you'll have a project > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Strobel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > > Hi Steve; > > This subject came up several years ago and what I use is Dry Spray > > Moly > in > > a rattle can. It seems to protect against rust yet lubricates, and can > > be > > somewhat polished up. I usually spray it on a warm surface and let it > > dry > > for several hours before rubbing it with a soft cloth. It will not rub > off > > on you when polished and seems resistent to gas and oils used with the > > old > > engines, and can be removed with some of the stronger solvents. > > > > I've used it on valve stems, gears, pushrods, and various other places. > > Her's some pix's of it on the sawrig: > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200715640wmGDeW > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/200716731qKKXTa > > > > here's some I used on Eco > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/48249342/76455331imPOHM > > > > > > Some people would like to try this on their squeaky trailer hitch balls > and > > avoid the greasy mess. > > > > The bad news...I no longer know where to get it, but Spudhead is doing > > some research with the old work. > > > > "Works for me" > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Royster" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > > > > > Stove polish looks nice also! Steve > > > > > > >From: "Rex Hinz" > > > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts > > > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:42:41 -0500 > > > > > > > >Hi All; > > > > > > > > I'm in the middle of restoring my Economy 2-1/2/HP E and > > > > because > of > > > >the > > > >very rusty and ugly paint (not orignal paint) I have decided repaint > > > >it > , > > > >the push rod , govenor assembly and most of the moving parts were > painted > > > >with thick black paint , I have remved the paint and did electrolis > > > >to > > > >remove all rust, I then dipped the parts in mag wheel aluminium > > > >brightner(full strength) for a few seconds and they came out bright > > > >shinny > > > >cast iron parts I then washed all the acid off and was going to paint > > > >them, > > > >instead I am woundering how gun blueing or browning would work on > > > >cast > > > >iron > > > >, it would look better and would not interfere with the mag trip , > > > >anybody > > > >do this with good results ? thanks for reading , I know there was a > > > >thread > > > >on this a while back but I missed most of it, > > > > > > > >Rex Hinz > > > > > > > >PS, the Economy will soon be breathing again . > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >SEL mailing list > > > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Mon Apr 25 19:45:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:45:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <426D9A67.10901@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: Not this drug store cowboy!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hopper cooking > R & M Ingold wrote: > > > Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! > > ========= > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > JW > ========= > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Apr 25 19:50:45 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:50:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. References: Message-ID: <007601c54a0a$be96a800$98668645@carolina.rr.com> What a neat project, good job Tom. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. > This is my latest project. It is a 4ft diameter x 1 3/4 thick(2 layers) > wooden wheel that goes on the church bell for the rope to go around and ring the > bell. I guess the bell weighs over 1000lbs. The old one rotted out after 40-50 > years. I have built it out of cypress and waterproof expanding polyurethane > glue. In photo 6 you can see the glue still coming out in the rope groove. > After drying, I will scrape off extra glue, stain, and then paint two coats. We > took two bottle jacks and some timbers and climbed up thru the steeple, jacked > up one side of the bell slightly and removed the cast legs from one side of > bell and removed the old wheel. To fit and cut all the pieces I made a full > scale template on masonite. If I had not done this, I could not figure any other > way to cut the ends of the outer rim radiused pieces to butt together > perfectly. The inner hub is cast steel which adapts the wheel to the bell axle. It > has been a fun project. Should last longer than me! > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel1 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel2 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel3 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel4 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel5 > http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel6 > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 20:13:24 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:13:24 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Thanks for the photos Message-ID: <426DB1D4.1080105@earthlink.net> Hi all, I'm up to my ass is projects right now and don't have time to post much. Just wanted the thank all for the latest show pictures they posted. Nice break for me. Sit back and look at some great iron that you shared. Then back to work. Sigh! Jeff Allen From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Apr 25 20:17:44 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:17:44 -0600 Subject: [SEL] wooden bell wheel O.T. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426DB2D8.8080709@earthlink.net> Very nice work Tom. Thanks for sharing. Jeff Allen Germoamer at aol.com wrote: >This is my latest project. It is a 4ft diameter x 1 3/4 thick(2 layers) >wooden wheel that goes on the church bell for the rope to go around and ring the >bell. I guess the bell weighs over 1000lbs. The old one rotted out after 40-50 >years. I have built it out of cypress and waterproof expanding polyurethane >glue. In photo 6 you can see the glue still coming out in the rope groove. >After drying, I will scrape off extra glue, stain, and then paint two coats. We >took two bottle jacks and some timbers and climbed up thru the steeple, jacked >up one side of the bell slightly and removed the cast legs from one side of >bell and removed the old wheel. To fit and cut all the pieces I made a full >scale template on masonite. If I had not done this, I could not figure any other >way to cut the ends of the outer rim radiused pieces to butt together >perfectly. The inner hub is cast steel which adapts the wheel to the bell axle. It >has been a fun project. Should last longer than me! > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel1 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel2 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel3 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel4 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel5 >http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/images/wheel6 > >Tom Schmutz >Concord, Va. USA >Germoamer at aol.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 25 20:31:35 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:31:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <200504260235.j3Q2Z79Q061507@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, the one on the cover of TOMM is a smaller version of the one i am getting, i have heard that the Timms have a couple of these which i will give Russell a call about.It will be a big project but well worth it i think. Thanks for the help Dave >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Subject: RE: [SEL] Regal vertical >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:35:11 +1000 > >Hi Dave, > Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >-----Original Message----- >Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any >imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is >there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. >Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ $60,000 prize pool to be won. Three winners. Apply now! http://www.healthe.com.au/competition.do From jlb94 at juno.com Mon Apr 25 20:38:00 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:38:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally Message-ID: <20050425.233816.1288.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Patrick Great pictures - I never get used to seeing some of the shows in diferent parts of the world. Only had a chance to view page 1 - Will get the rest later. Good Job Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 25 20:42:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:42:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <034801c549eb$faefd110$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> <426D9A67.10901@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: <03c801c54a11$f759bcc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I think they will work it out from the other mails Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Watson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Hopper cooking >R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for lunch! > > ========= > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > JW From MaytagTwin at aol.com Mon Apr 25 20:50:07 2005 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:50:07 EDT Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts Message-ID: <1b9.12572b2b.2f9f146f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:28:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: So Rex..where'd ya get the dry moly spray? We're out TIA Rickinmt. Or, if the last one doesn't work, try this one. _KanoLabs.com_ (http://www.kanolabs.com/) From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Apr 25 20:47:24 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:47:24 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical References: <200504260235.j3Q2Z79Q061507@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: <03eb01c54a16$2a24adf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I restored that Regal on the cover of TOMM a lot of years back. This is the only other one I have ever seen. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Regal vertical > Hi Dave, > Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any > imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is > there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. > Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Apr 25 21:48:08 2005 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:48:08 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <03c801c54a11$f759bcc0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <200504260448.j3Q4mDlo011484@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> > >>R & M Ingold wrote: > >> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in > >>time for lunch! > > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > > JW > I think they will work it out from the other mails We're not as dumb as you think. I "googled" savaloy, and the first thing to come up was the lyrics to "The Joy of Savaloy." I can assure you, it's not the sort of thing we'd have at an American engine show -- an exception might be at the West Hollywood Branch of EDGE&TA. I'm not even going to post the lyrics here. If you want to read them, you have to google them yourself. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Apr 25 13:01:29 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:01:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <000801c549d1$92f43e80$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking > Just curious as to whether anyone has hardboiled an egg in a boiling hopper? > Or have you cooked anything else in a engine hopper? > Seems that all that boiling water could be used for something besides > cooling the engine. > George Hi George, see http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/331117776DWglbw They tasted great. I cannot find the picture of Arnie eating one though I remember seeing it. Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 00:13:26 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:13:26 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <03eb01c54a16$2a24adf0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: you certainly did a nice job Reg i hope mine comes up as good. Dave ps can you put me on your joke list i miss a good belly laugh >From: "R & M Ingold" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Regal vertical >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:47:24 +1000 > >I restored that Regal on the cover of TOMM a lot of years back. >This is the only other one I have ever seen. >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > >To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:35 PM >Subject: RE: [SEL] Regal vertical > > >>Hi Dave, >>Issue 111 of TOMM has one on the cover. >> >>Patrick M Livingstone >>Leichhardt NSW >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >>-----Original Message----- >>Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any >>imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is >>there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. >>Thanks in advance Dave in oz >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Are you right for each other? Find out with our Love Calculator: http://fun.mobiledownloads.com.au/191191/index.wl?page=191191text From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 26 03:06:29 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:06:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally References: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> <001701c54996$600835c0$a284dccb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <009801c54a47$9de2d830$0301a8c0@Cam> Nicely done Patrick and very interesting too > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; > "Stationary Engine Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:21 > Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally > > >> A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, > playing >> engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, > motorbikes >> and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' >> engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I >> helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ > Holden >> Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for >> the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain > down >> there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the > photos). >> The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was >> plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. >> Some pictures at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html >> >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ponchie at ozemail.com.au Tue Apr 26 03:10:50 2005 From: ponchie at ozemail.com.au (cam grundy) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:10:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical References: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <00b301c54a48$39637fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Good onya Dave that will keep you interested for awhile. Cam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical > Hello! > > David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= > > Here is a message describing the photos: > > Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any > imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is > there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. > Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > You can also create your own photo album to share with family and > friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. > http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html > > AOL Users: > Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the > links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into > your web browser. > href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw="> > Click here > > > > Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of > Epson PhotoCenter: > > - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! > > - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and > friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. > > And that's just the beginning. > > Changing the picture of photography.TM > http://photo.epson.com/ > > Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, > CA 90806 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From brock at netspeed.com.au Tue Apr 26 03:32:30 2005 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:32:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical References: <200504260156.j3Q1uspg024226@photo.epson.com> Message-ID: <010f01c54a4b$439db9e0$5f11fea9@merlin> Looks Good Dave a good find ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:22 PM Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical > Hello! > > David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= > > Here is a message describing the photos: > > Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any > imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is > there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. > Thanks in advance Dave in oz > > > > You can also create your own photo album to share with family and > friends. Its free! Just join Epson PhotoCenter today. > http://photo.epson.com/welcome/index.html > > AOL Users: > Click on the link below to see the photos. If neither of the > links are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into > your web browser. > href="http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw="> > Click here > > > > Here are some of the exciting things you can do as a member of > Epson PhotoCenter: > > - Send a customized electronic postcard with our free PicCheers! > > - Share your photos and photo albums online with family and > friends. It's a great way to stay in touch with loved ones. > > And that's just the beginning. > > Changing the picture of photography.TM > http://photo.epson.com/ > > Copyright(C) 2004 Epson America, Inc. 3840 Kilroy Airport Way, Long Beach, > CA 90806 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Apr 26 04:03:08 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:03:08 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Gerald Buitendach's Engine Day In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050426005522.009bfd20@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Some very nice looking engines Jerry. Interesting that each one had a tarp or burlap sack underneath to keep the oil from messing up his lawn. Neville's and yours Bernard engines are very unique looking. Thanks for sharing. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ===================== >From: Jerry Evans > >Hi Everybody, > The first pics are up on my website of Geralds Engineday that was held on >Saturday. > > > >Follow the link halfway down the page. > >Best regards >Jerry Evans. >Databak Hard Drive Data Recovery From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Apr 26 04:06:05 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:06:05 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: <426D5E60.4477BD19@insulate.co.uk> <000901c549e0$c90afe50$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <426E209D.93EBAED4@insulate.co.uk> Hi John Forgot to add the URL for that one: http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg John Hammink wrote: > Hi Helen, I miss that picture of Philip Tornon Evidence > eating the hopper cooked Black Pudding together with > Dave and Arnie. > I like the twin washing demo the best :o) > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Apr 26 06:26:34 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:26:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Economy moving parts References: <1b9.12572b2b.2f9f146f@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks much!!! Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Economy moving parts > In a message dated 4/25/2005 10:28:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, > Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com writes: > > So Rex..where'd ya get the dry moly spray? > > We're out > > TIA > Rickinmt. > Or, if the last one doesn't work, try this one. > > _KanoLabs.com_ (http://www.kanolabs.com/) > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From George_Best at adp.com Tue Apr 26 07:27:42 2005 From: George_Best at adp.com (Best, George) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:27:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking Message-ID: Actually, it is Saveloy not Savaloy. Saveloys are already cooked highly seasoned smoked pork sausages. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Rob Skinner > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:48 PM > To: 'The SEL email discussion list' > Subject: RE: [SEL] Hopper cooking > > > >>R & M Ingold wrote: > > >> Put some Savaloys in a plastic bag and they cook up in time for > > >>lunch! > > > > Reg, do Yanks savvy Savs? > > > JW > > > I think they will work it out from the other mails > > > We're not as dumb as you think. I "googled" savaloy, and the > first thing to come up was the lyrics to "The Joy of > Savaloy." I can assure you, it's not the sort of thing we'd > have at an American engine show -- an exception might be at > the West Hollywood Branch of EDGE&TA. > > I'm not even going to post the lyrics here. If you want to > read them, you have to google them yourself. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Apr 26 15:45:37 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:45:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking References: Message-ID: <05f501c54ab5$06ddeab0$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Thats what I said and meant. Already cooked but nice and hot for lunch. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Best, George" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Hopper cooking > Actually, it is Saveloy not Savaloy. Saveloys are already cooked highly > seasoned smoked pork sausages. From bboyce at swat.coop Tue Apr 26 18:08:04 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:08:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] IR radial Message-ID: <000801c54ac5$90dafa90$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,,, i finally found an IR 3-36 radial to replace the one we had destroyed in a wreck,2 or 3 years ago,,, however , its not in near as good shape as the first one was,,,,, today, i finally got it to run on a prime, so maybe the worst is over,,,, does anyone know of a source for parts? especially gaskets,,,,,, and i also need the rope start pulley,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Apr 26 19:34:12 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:34:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4446d603c05f5da236aae7fdb63c7477@chartertn.net> > Beenie Weenie's George..don't get no better. Talk about "stack music!" John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Apr 26 21:34:33 2005 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:34:33 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <4446d603c05f5da236aae7fdb63c7477@chartertn.net> References: <4446d603c05f5da236aae7fdb63c7477@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <426F1659.5080304@earthlink.net> Now there's some good eats John. Slice up some lips and *ssholes and mix em with beans. Don't use turkey franks cause turkeys don't have lips. All you get is the other end with them. The lips add flavor to the musical fruit. The other is how they get rid of it and we buy it. Jeff Allen PS. going crazy with the patent database, but Rob has a great thing going. Prime time is coming. WOW is what you will see!!! John Culp wrote: >> Beenie Weenie's George..don't get no better. > > > Talk about "stack music!" > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From dnicolson40 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 00:31:19 2005 From: dnicolson40 at hotmail.com (David Nicolson) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:31:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical In-Reply-To: <00b301c54a48$39637fd0$0301a8c0@Cam> Message-ID: your not wrong Cam, just to fabricate the head should take quite awhile but will be worth it. the original head was lost when it was taken to get a crack repaired about 75-80 years ago, not much hope of finding another one. Dave >From: "cam grundy" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Regal vertical >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:10:50 +1000 > >Good onya Dave that will keep you interested for awhile. Cam >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 12:22 PM >Subject: [SEL] Regal vertical > > >>Hello! >> >>David Nicolson has an online photo album for you to see at >>http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293454&a=31734870&pw= >> >>Here is a message describing the photos: >> >>Hi All, picking this engine up in the next few days.has anyone got any >>imformation on these engines ie original colour,year manufacture and is >>there a workshop manual available.I think it would be about 5 or6 hp. >>Thanks in advance Dave in oz >> >> >> >>You can also create your own photo album to share with family and >>friends. Its free! 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Apply now! http://www.healthe.com.au/competition.do From pjp at steamengine.com.au Wed Apr 27 05:29:25 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:29:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences] Message-ID: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au> I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at least mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should fill up TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) Paul -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 From: Paul Pavlinovich To: info at tomm.com.au At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the policy. How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they should be safe enough for us. Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). Paul Pavlinovich
-- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 05:34:49 2005 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:34:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally In-Reply-To: <200504251221.j3PCLHpF016446@b0643.vr.mx.mail-abuse.com> Message-ID: Fantastic job as usual Patrick. Thanks for the Pics. Regards Lyndsay >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Cootamundra Rally >Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:21:10 +1000 > >A good weekend down in the country, in my home town of Cootamundra, playing >engines. There was a good line up of engines, old cars, tractors, >motorbikes >and some nice Clydsdales. I took my 4hp Challenge and the new 'Small' >engine. I also helped my father with his old cars so as well as engines I >helped exhibit my father's 1931 Model AA Ford Fire Truck and 1955 FJ Holden >Panel Van. The weather was unseasonably warm and clear which was nice for >the rally but not helpful for the drought, there has not been any rain down >there for some time and it is very, very dry (as you can see in the >photos). >The Cootamundra Club did a fine job organising the rally and there was >plenty of non-engine stuff to keep the whole family amused. >Some pictures at: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/coota051.html > > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Wed Apr 27 07:42:18 2005 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:42:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs Message-ID: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> It's been a while since we did this, so it might be fun to tell funny stories of those engine goofs we've made recently. Ya know what I'm talking about. That hour you spent trouble shooting an ignitor and coil system only to find you had a dead battery or that "stuck" check ball that kept that non-existing gasoline from getting to your mixer. Or perhaps something you put together wrong..... Mine? Early on in the hobby I was reassembling the governor on my 6HP Herc. The two spindles inside are separated by a ball bearing. Instead of assembling it spindle/ball bearing/spindle, I assembled it spindle/spindle/ballbearing. It was running good 'till the ball dropped out. Luckily I was in the shop because in about 3 hits the darned thing was nearing a dangerous speed. A quick grab of the spark plug wire saved it. Come on.....let's hear 'em.....funny or scary..... Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From marvhed at ecenet.com Wed Apr 27 09:02:50 2005 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs In-Reply-To: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> References: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <39434.199.62.0.252.1114617770.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> i found out that you can assemble the governor on an IHC LB engine backwards and it will go to full throttle just like that too!!! marv in minn > It was running good 'till the ball dropped > out. Luckily I was in the shop because in about 3 hits the darned thing > was nearing a dangerous speed. A quick grab of the spark plug wire saved > it. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 10:13:58 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:13:58 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Crankshaft straigtening press Message-ID: Howdy all; Here's the press that he's using to straighten my crankshaft. The big question mark looking gizmo pulls down hydraulically...and the dial indicator is up above. He has also mentioned heat in this endevour. Thot ya'll might like a look...as it apppears to be easily built. http://community.webshots.com/photo/88886243/328759286RMFkQu later, RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 10:31:28 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:31:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs References: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: WHO ME??? Spencer doesn't allow that much bandwidth:-)) Rickinthreatening snow Mt...arrghhhhhh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: "SEL" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs > It's been a while since we did this, so it might be fun to tell funny > stories of those engine goofs we've made recently. > > Ya know what I'm talking about. That hour you spent trouble shooting an > ignitor and coil system only to find you had a dead battery or that > "stuck" check ball that kept that non-existing gasoline from getting to > your mixer. Or perhaps something you put together wrong..... > > Mine? Early on in the hobby I was reassembling the governor on my 6HP > Herc. The two spindles inside are separated by a ball bearing. Instead > of assembling it spindle/ball bearing/spindle, I assembled it > spindle/spindle/ballbearing. It was running good 'till the ball dropped > out. Luckily I was in the shop because in about 3 hits the darned thing > was nearing a dangerous speed. A quick grab of the spark plug wire saved > it. > > Come on.....let's hear 'em.....funny or scary..... > > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 10:38:32 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw Message-ID: I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever seen. Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz TIA RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 11:15:11 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:15:11 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs In-Reply-To: <39434.199.62.0.252.1114617770.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: I had my marine engine, fired by a buzz coil, at a show last summer. I hooked up the wiring with a combination of alligator clips and spliced wires with exposed connections. I didn't notice that one of the clips was touching the base of the engine and one of the spliced wires with exposed connection was touching the ground. As I nelt down on my knees and cranked it over the timer/wiper made the connection to fire the buzz coil and spark plug and shocked my arm a good one. I threw my arm back like I was stung by a hornet. I thought for a few seconds as to what was happening. Couldn't figure it out so I cranked it again. I think it got me a few good times before a bystander pointed out the wire touching the ground. Man that buzz coil bites!! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 27 11:40:49 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:40:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw Message-ID: <20050427.114049.106.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick. Anything Witte pegs my fun meter. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:32 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've > ever seen. > Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > > injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > TIA > RickinMt. From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Apr 27 12:00:01 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:00:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, That saw would be awesome!! There is a similar one every year at the Buckley, Michigan show. I need to get some better pictures of it. It is neat to see it in operation. I have a few pictures that can be seen here. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-10.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-8.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-9.jpg The Witte........ the desire of an engine is in the eye of the beholder. Some like solid flywheels and some don't, closed crank versus open crank, hit miss and throttler, and on and on. If ya like it then haul her home. I love my LeRoi and some think it is an ugly lump. No, not you Leroy Clark ;-) http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ================ >From: "Richard Strobel" > >I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever >seen. >Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > >Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > >Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and >injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > >TIA >RickinMt. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 12:10:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel References: <20050427.114049.106.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Look here Ron, when ya get a chance, and let me know whatcha think? Here's the tag and hit next for the engine photos. http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332141215fCtqFn later pard, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron D Haskell" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw > Hi Rick. > Anything Witte pegs my fun meter. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside California USA > http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:38:32 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've > > ever seen. > > Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > > > > Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > > > Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > > > > injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From klbandy at dtccom.net Wed Apr 27 14:22:06 2005 From: klbandy at dtccom.net (Kevin L. Bandy) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:22:06 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New TN Tractor & Engine Show Message-ID: <4270027E.7060803@dtccom.net> http://bailifffamily.com/showflyer.jpg From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 13:20:25 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:20:25 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw References: Message-ID: That be her alright, Luke. This one has a few homemade additions but basically the same. I wonder what the long bar coming out to the front is for...possibly used for moving the log,,,dunno. "I'm a gonna need a bigger trailer" Thanks Luke, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw > Rick, > > That saw would be awesome!! There is a similar one every year at the > Buckley, Michigan show. I need to get some better pictures of it. It is > neat > to see it in operation. I have a few pictures that can be seen here. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-10.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-8.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-9.jpg > > The Witte........ the desire of an engine is in the eye of the beholder. > Some like solid flywheels and some don't, closed crank versus open crank, > hit miss and throttler, and on and on. If ya like it then haul her home. I > love my LeRoi and some think it is an ugly lump. No, not you Leroy Clark > ;-) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > >I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever > >seen. > >Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > > > >Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > > >Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > >injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > > >TIA > >RickinMt. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 13:28:19 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:28:19 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel Message-ID: Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain to me what these items are used for in this photo: And how hard would it be to get an injector? http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda TIA RickinMt. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 13:47:50 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA Message-ID: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? Thanks Ron Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 13:47:50 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA Message-ID: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? Thanks Ron Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 27 08:25:21 2005 From: deverett2003 at yahoo.co.uk (David Everett) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:25:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [SEL] Boners and goofs In-Reply-To: <426FA4CA.10308@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20050427152521.47765.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> --- Curt wrote: > It's been a while since we did this, so it might be fun to tell funny > stories of those engine goofs we've made recently. When I was at sea in the Merchant Navy, the Engineers used to play pranks on each other. One favourite was tto remove bolts from the pile when a piece of machinery was stripped down. Trouble was, everyone knew that one. A better twist was to ADD a couple of extra bolts. When the job was re-assembled there would be a couple of odd bolts lying on the deck. Seeing the engineers scratching their heads trying to remember where they came from amused my simple mind. Oh happy days. Dave Saudi-Arabia-On-Sea Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Apr 27 14:31:00 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:31:00 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please Message-ID: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just like to compare prices with those in the UK. Thanks, Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 14:33:28 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:33:28 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f60251605042714332fe3e8d8@mail.gmail.com> On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain to me what > these items are used for in this photo: > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > TIA > RickinMt. Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 27 16:13:15 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:13:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA References: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c54b7e$b1901720$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Cool Spring Show Dates: June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. Charlie Byant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "engine list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? > Thanks > Ron > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > From garyepps at fidnet.com Wed Apr 27 15:31:14 2005 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:31:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please In-Reply-To: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <427012B2.7050301@fidnet.com> Hi Dolly, I am not familiar with an International 275, I'm a John Deere type guy. Walt's Tractor Parts LLC has overhaul kits for various International models. Their address is http://www.waltstractors.com/ I hope this is helpful. Gary Jim French wrote: > Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an > International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, > sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just > like to compare prices with those in the UK. > > Thanks, > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- In the Ozark Mountains of South Central USA where both life and I move at a leisurely pace. From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Apr 27 16:07:23 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:07:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: <000801c54b7e$b1901720$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050427204751.64454.qmail@web14123.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c54b7e$b1901720$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050427190447.045f07f0@mail.alltel.net> By golly Charlie, Are you trying to say that if some chEEp assed people would buy a _Show Directory_ that they would not have to ask stupid questions to the List? Dave At 07:13 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: > Cool Spring Show Dates: > >June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. > >Charlie Byant > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" >To: "engine list" >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > > > > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a >web site for cool Springs? > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:14:39 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050427231439.18750.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Charlie. I usually try and get to it every year. Ron Charles R Bryant wrote: Cool Spring Show Dates: June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. Charlie Byant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "engine list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a web site for cool Springs? > Thanks > Ron > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 16:25:22 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:25:22 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel References: <6f60251605042714332fe3e8d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to heat up the pump..good one!! Now what's the tank on top fer? later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Listerdiesel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain to me > > what > > these items are used for in this photo: > > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? > > Peter > -- > Peter A Forbes > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Apr 27 16:35:05 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 07:35:05 +0800 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regardingfences] References: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks for letting us know this Paul. I hope this does not become another ''Guideline's stock answer. I belong to three clubs , one of which has spent an enormous amount of money on an alloy fence to the determent of other things ,i.e. a decent club badge for example . Anyway that is ''Water under the bridge '' , i have been suitably admonished by certain individuals in the club for my continuing raising of this subject. Back to the fence ......how much easier on club finances would rope fences be . The afore mentioned alloy fence requires it's own trailer! Please keep us informed as to anything you may hear regarding the subject. Mean while we use the alloy fence ,and the bloody horrible plastic mesh. We are having a ploughing day soon ,it is going to be machinery one side of the paddock fence ,public the other............going to be hard to stop some of those enthusiastic Cockies jumping the fence. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regardingfences] >I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at least >mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should fill up >TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) > > Paul > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 > From: Paul Pavlinovich > To: info at tomm.com.au > > At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was > present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was > about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was > that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the > policy. > > How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the > fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. > > Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they > should be safe enough for us. > > Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property > officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. > > Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to > safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). > > Paul Pavlinovich >
> > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 16:49:06 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050427234906.24006.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Stuff it Rotigel. Ron Frost Said that. Dave Rotigel wrote: By golly Charlie, Are you trying to say that if some chEEp assed people would buy a _Show Directory_ that they would not have to ask stupid questions to the List? Dave At 07:13 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: > Cool Spring Show Dates: > >June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. > >Charlie Byant > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" >To: "engine list" >Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM >Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > > > > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a >web site for cool Springs? > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bboyce at swat.coop Wed Apr 27 16:53:26 2005 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:53:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] (no subject) Message-ID: <005601c54b84$4e9d11d0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> gene,,,, the 3R-36 was part of a deal i made that included it and two JD 435 tractors, the ones with the supercharged GM Detroit Diesel engines,,,,the IR didnt run, was stuck, but not bad,,, i figured 100 bux for it in the deal,,,,,, do you know if any parts are still available? i know i;m going to need a lower crank seal, and could use gaskets in leiu of hand cutting them,, the crank seal sounds like a specific type, not your regular oil seal,,,,, with your rotator cuff surgery, stay away from the rope start on them !! hope your recovery goes well,,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Waugh" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: IIR Radial (SEL) > Bill, could I ask you what you paid for the compressor you got? I have > three, all of which I THINK will run, and would like to establish a > general > value. > > It's a loooong story, but I cannot get into it tonight---I had rotator > cuff > surgery yesterday, and am not yet too spry!! > > > > > Gene > Gene Waugh > Elgin, Illinois USA From mogul460 at localnet.com Wed Apr 27 18:38:37 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:38:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA References: <20050427231439.18750.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c54b93$0047ac20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Ron, I guess we can plan on Dave for refreshments as usual . Don't forget your canopy and plenty of chairs Dave. Arnie - are you bringing that oil spraying engine so everyone can get an oil shower? Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > Thanks Charlie. I usually try and get to it every year. > Ron > > Charles R Bryant wrote: > Cool Spring Show Dates: > > June 17-19 as per the Show Directory. > > Charlie Byant > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" > To: "engine list" > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:47 PM > Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA > > > > What's the dates for Cool Springs shows this year? Also, isn't there a > web site for cool Springs? > > Thanks > > Ron > > > > > > > > Ron Frost > > Kersey, PA > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/05 > > From rustaholic777 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 27 17:51:26 2005 From: rustaholic777 at yahoo.com (Alan Bowen) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050428005126.54646.qmail@web31315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Luke, I think the reason that saw is at Buckley every year is because it belongs to the club. 8>)) It is also setting right there for the Fall swap meets. I will be there for a meeting on May 6 so I will take a peek and see if it is still setting right there. I really just know it sets there from the show in August until the Education Days in October when they run it for the kids. If it ain't there now,,,,, I just hope it wasn't in the Sam Zue building,,,,,, You should have seen the plans and even a model that was built for the new building. It will look a LOT better than that old pole barn did. If the model shows up at the meeting next week I will try to get a picture of it. Alan Bowen 32 miles N.E. of Buckley, Michigan --- Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Rick, > > That saw would be awesome!! There is a similar one every year at the > Buckley, Michigan show. I need to get some better pictures of it. It is neat > to see it in operation. I have a few pictures that can be seen here. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-10.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-8.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck02/buck02-9.jpg > > The Witte........ the desire of an engine is in the eye of the beholder. > Some like solid flywheels and some don't, closed crank versus open crank, > hit miss and throttler, and on and on. If ya like it then haul her home. I > love my LeRoi and some think it is an ugly lump. No, not you Leroy Clark ;-) > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/leroi/leroi.jpg > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > ================ > > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > >I'm gonna try for this one..biggest damn belt driven dragsaw I've ever > >seen. > >Eco should run it just fine...but there are parts missing. > > > > > >Ain't she purdy!!! and hit fwd for more pix's. > > > >Also there's a 6hp Witte diesel but it's missing valves, springs and > >injector...not stuck...where does that fit on the desirable scale?? > > > >http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143208wIYFbz > > > >TIA > >RickinMt. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 27 18:16:30 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:16:30 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel Message-ID: <20050427.181631.984.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi Rick. Do these help? http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630829 &f=0 http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630830 &f=0 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:25:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to > heat > up the pump..good one!! > > Now what's the tank on top fer? > > > later, > RickinMt. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Listerdiesel" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > > > > On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain > to me > > > what > > > these items are used for in this photo: > > > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > > > > > TIA > > > RickinMt. > > > > Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? > > > > Peter > > -- > > Peter A Forbes > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From mr at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 27 18:54:16 2005 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 21:54:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] blunders and goofs (from the past) Message-ID: <000d01c54b95$305ae240$98668645@carolina.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike royster" To: "Royster" ; "Steve Royster" Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: hard lessons > > Our topic for discussion tonight is: > "Why a dirt floor is beter than concrete in a shop" > > 1. Never have to sweep it, twice a year just rake it. > 2. Never worry about stains from oil or antifreeze, they just blend in. > 3. A dirt floor won't break your 5hp Economy when it falls!!!!! > > What a day!!! Went out to the shed about 1:30 to work on the Worthington, > but decided to crank some engines for background music. First the Alamo, > then the Jaeger, then the Economy. Greased and oiled everything up, checked > the drip rates, and made sure the Economy was scotched properly on the > plywood as over time it walks towards the edge on the compression stroke. > Once I was assured all was well I started working on the Worth. I took the > latch off and cleaned it, then reversed it. I turned my back to the Economy > and started cranking on the Worth. I pulled it about 3 times when i heard > this incredible crash and felt the ground shake, and things went strangely > silent. > > I turned to see the Economy lying on the non-mag side of the floor of > shop, against the Gulf Oil Corp sign and the wall. Not a pretty sight. I > shut off the other motors and returned to exime the damage to all. Of > course it squashed the Gulf sign a little bit and it bent my oiler some, but > nothing appeared broken. The big pulley was buried in the dirt as was the > muffler. > > Evidently what happened was before I would push the Engine back on the > plywood every 30 minutes or so, in order to keep it from coming off and > tipping over. About 4 days ago, I placed paint paddles on all sides of the > cart wheels to keep it from hopping and it worked. I noticed as it was > running today it bounced little, but was staying on the plywood. What I > must have failed to notice is it must have been moving on top of the cart, > cause off it came. What if I had been oiling it or working on that side? > Dead man. > > How does one raise a 1000 pound motor from it's side by himself? Not too > good! Nothing to hook a chain fall to, and no help around though it would > take 4 or so to right it. So I went to the workshop and got my 5 ton jack > and picked up some cribbing and bricks. Long story short, I jacked and > cribbed til I got it to the breakover point then set it upright. About 45 > minutes of VERY careful work. Well, now it was time to see what all broke > and if the flywheels were bent or broken. On first look everything seemed > OK, so I slowly rotated the flywheel and still had compression. I pulled > the plug and spun the flyweel and to my suprise it was true! No cracks or > breaks anywhere I could see. Put the plug in it and it fired right up, no > problem. The oiler is slightly bent, but I might can fix it. > > So, it was a crappy day, but a wonderful day! I thought I was the most > careful motorhead around, but I got a lesson today. Play hard, work safe; > and pay attention to the small details!!! > > MR > > > > From jthall at worldnet.att.net Wed Apr 27 19:08:00 2005 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D References: <20050421.114217.1012.10.jlb94@juno.com> <6f602516050421223568ba3299@mail.gmail.com> <4269CD94.8030105@fidnet.com> <6f60251605042302535d4710c8@mail.gmail.com><426A47D5.7020709@fidnet.com><426C91D6.80905@steamengine.com.au> <002701c54976$d426d350$0200000a@patruston> Message-ID: <028801c54b97$1b8b8340$3af24c0c@D48VHZ61> I think this was talked about a couple of years ago and the general school of thought is that these engines are supposed to run hot, mine sure does. John Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ruston" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:11 AM Subject: [SEL] F M Z Style D > Recently acquired a Fairbanks Morse Z Style D 2hp Serial No. 912630, after > running approximately 1/2 hour the water appeared to be in a roiling boil, > wondering if this is normal temperature, there is some scale build up in > water hopper, thanks for any and all replies. > > Pat Ruston > St. Pauls Station > Ontario, Canada > ruston at orc.ca > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Apr 27 19:20:45 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:20:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel References: <20050427.181631.984.2.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Only about 5000 percent Ron:-)) Now I know what's missing and what they look like. The plan will be to go back and ask if I can snoop around. Someone there took this baby apart and possiibly know where the generator/alternator is also. Thanks very much for takin' the time!! RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > Hi Rick. > Do these help? > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630829 > &f=0 > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3009370&a=30631205&p=71630830 > &f=0 > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:25:22 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to > > heat > > up the pump..good one!! > > > > Now what's the tank on top fer? > > > > > > later, > > RickinMt. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Listerdiesel" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel > > > > > > > On 4/27/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > > Ok ya'll got me pumped up!! Ron, could you or whoever explain > > to me > > > > what > > > > these items are used for in this photo: > > > > And how hard would it be to get an injector? > > > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332748837rxnAda > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > RickinMt. > > > > > > Looks like the diesel injection pump mount? > > > > > > Peter > > > -- > > > Peter A Forbes > > > Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com > > > Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From listerdiesel at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 19:44:41 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:44:41 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Witte 6hp Diesel In-Reply-To: References: <6f60251605042714332fe3e8d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6f60251605042719447dcb2a86@mail.gmail.com> On 4/28/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Very possible Peter as it's just a recessed area and possibly used to heat > up the pump..good one!! > > Now what's the tank on top fer? > > later, > RickinMt. The forward mount is definitely the pump mounting, not quite sure why they'd want to use the water jacket though, it may be a blind hole? The other unit is a fuel filter by the look of it, the unions are too small to be anything else if you look at the picture outside of webshots and blow it up. Ron's picture shows this all up well. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Apr 27 19:43:47 2005 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:43:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel Message-ID: <20050427.194347.984.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Hi again Rick. That is just like mine # 6599. I finally found a replacement flywheel for mine at the Tulare show. Should be running soon. I have a spare off side flywheel now. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:19 -0600 "Richard Strobel" writes: > Look here Ron, when ya get a chance, and let me know whatcha think? > Here's > the tag and hit next for the engine photos. > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332141215fCtqFn > > later pard, > Rick From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 27 21:33:58 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 00:33:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hopper cooking In-Reply-To: <000801c549d1$92f43e80$fa4c1152@no1> References: <000801c549d1$92f43e80$fa4c1152@no1> Message-ID: <1114662838.427067b6db20b@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Dave, These the pics you were thinking of? DAMN yummy black pudding!! http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle1.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2001/3/astle2.jpg See ya, Arnie Quoting Dave Croft : > ----- Original Message ----- > Hi George, see http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/331117776DWglbw > They tasted great. I cannot find the picture of Arnie eating one though I > remember seeing it. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Apr 27 22:35:42 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:35:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cool Springs, PA In-Reply-To: <001001c54b93$0047ac20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050427231439.18750.qmail@web14121.mail.yahoo.com> <001001c54b93$0047ac20$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <1114666542.4270762e08426@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Charlie, Hmmmm, I think you're referring to the Novo "S". I'm planning on going that one one better this year and introduce folks to the concept of "Petter spots." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Quoting Charles R Bryant : > I guess we can plan on Dave for refreshments as usual . Don't forget > your canopy and plenty of chairs Dave. Arnie - are you bringing that oil > spraying engine so everyone can get an oil shower? From jerrye at databak.co.za Thu Apr 28 08:13:33 2005 From: jerrye at databak.co.za (Jerry Evans) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:13:33 Subject: [SEL] Gerald Buitendach's Engine Day In-Reply-To: <200504271000.j3RA07VT020036@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20050428081333.009a9a88@127.0.0.1> >Some very nice looking engines Jerry. Interesting that each one had a tarp >or burlap sack underneath to keep the oil from messing up his lawn. >Neville's and yours Bernard engines are very unique looking. Thanks for >sharing. >Luke Tonneberger >Rockford, Michigan >USA Hi Luke Thanks for the reply and comments. Yes The Bernards are nice - their quality of manufacture is very high - almost ahead of their time! They are pretty unusual here in South Africa and searching the Net for them also does not yield much information - one or two sites in Europe. The manufacturing company still exists in France and have been very helpful in identifying these engines and supplying manuals and other information. Yes they have a beautiful lawn and as we are nearing our winter and the end of the growing season, oil (and hot water) spills would kill the grass and they would have to wait until spring for it to recover. Tarps are not so good for photos and I did remove some of them to take the pics but got lazy. I alo digitally removed a lot of tarps and suchlike from some of the pics before posting them - I hope nobody can recognise which ones I did this to. As a clue, the pic of my Bernard had a pile of tarps lying behind and to the right of it (about halfway between the description and the information board on the pic) as well as a hosepipe on the embankment behind it - I removed these digitally. Regards Jerry Evans http://www.oldengine.org/members/evans --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Apr 27 23:45:11 2005 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (R & M Ingold) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:45:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] compression Message-ID: <02ab01c54bbd$da2d6f40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> I had a mail from Larry Evans asking about comp ratios on models the other day. This kicked me into gear to finally do something about the Domestic Stovepipe model. I built it 11 years ago and has always been a pig. Barely able to turn it over, bites the finger that feeds it and hits like Hercules's hammer! Leaping up like a startled cat every firing stroke. So today I pulled the piston and took 1/8 inch off all over and then took off an extra 3/32 inside the ring base diameter. Reassembled it and flicked it with no worries. Choked it and away it went with no leaping, etc. A totally different engine now. It only took me 11 years to sort it! So lads, a high comp ratio on old stuff is not a good thing. Slow running and 5 to 1 or even lower seems ok to me. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From pjp at steamengine.com.au Thu Apr 28 02:05:57 2005 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:05:57 +1000 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regardingfences] In-Reply-To: <000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> References: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au> <000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <4270A775.8050003@steamengine.com.au> Its OWN trailer? Wow... I'm almost speechless... how many less engines come because someone has to pull a fence on a trailer... ok - I can see how it seemed smart at the time NOT! Paul peter ogborne wrote: > Thanks for letting us know this Paul. I hope this does not become > another ''Guideline's stock answer. > I belong to three clubs , one of which has spent an enormous amount of > money on an alloy fence to the determent of other things ,i.e. a decent > club badge for example . Anyway that is ''Water under the bridge '' , i > have been suitably admonished by certain individuals in the club for my > continuing raising of this subject. > Back to the fence ......how much easier on club finances would rope > fences be . The afore mentioned alloy fence requires it's own trailer! > Please keep us informed as to anything you may hear regarding the > subject. Mean while we use the alloy fence ,and the bloody horrible > plastic mesh. We are having a ploughing day soon ,it is going to be > machinery one side of the paddock fence ,public the > other............going to be hard to stop some of those enthusiastic > Cockies jumping the fence. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" > > To: ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:29 PM > Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA > regardingfences] > > >> I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at >> least mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should >> fill up TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) >> >> Paul >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences >> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 >> From: Paul Pavlinovich >> To: info at tomm.com.au >> >> At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was >> present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was >> about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was >> that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the >> policy. >> >> How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the >> fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. >> >> Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they >> should be safe enough for us. >> >> Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property >> officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. >> >> Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to >> safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). >> >> Paul Pavlinovich >>
>> >> -- >> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >> www.steamengine.com.au >> >> >> -- >> >> pjp at steamengine.com.au >> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >> www.steamengine.com.au >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Thu Apr 28 03:48:48 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:48:48 +0800 Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter toNHMA regardingfences] References: <426F85A5.1040406@steamengine.com.au><000b01c54b81$c25964f0$8c9a81cb@ogborneuah38i3> <4270A775.8050003@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <003901c54bdf$e0ca9450$c99f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> That's right Paul ,it's own trailer and do you think it's a hell of a job to get someone to pull the trailer! Another thing i heard that came out of the insurance rep at Naracoorte was that it is not a requirement that invited guests into the engine compound do not have to have insurance ....only the exhibitor. This means that wives .partners etc don't have to have cover. NHMA never told us this ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter toNHMA regardingfences] > Its OWN trailer? Wow... I'm almost speechless... how many less engines > come because someone has to pull a fence on a trailer... ok - I can see > how it seemed smart at the time NOT! > > Paul > > peter ogborne wrote: >> Thanks for letting us know this Paul. I hope this does not become another >> ''Guideline's stock answer. >> I belong to three clubs , one of which has spent an enormous amount of >> money on an alloy fence to the determent of other things ,i.e. a decent >> club badge for example . Anyway that is ''Water under the bridge '' , i >> have been suitably admonished by certain individuals in the club for my >> continuing raising of this subject. >> Back to the fence ......how much easier on club finances would rope >> fences be . The afore mentioned alloy fence requires it's own trailer! >> Please keep us informed as to anything you may hear regarding the >> subject. Mean while we use the alloy fence ,and the bloody horrible >> plastic mesh. We are having a ploughing day soon ,it is going to be >> machinery one side of the paddock fence ,public the >> other............going to be hard to stop some of those enthusiastic >> Cockies jumping the fence. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" >> >> To: ; >> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:29 PM >> Subject: [SEL] [Fwd: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA >> regardingfences] >> >> >>> I have sent this into TOMM since letters to the NHMA are ignored (at >>> least mine are) - lets see what happens... if nothing else it should >>> fill up TOMM's letter pages for a couple of issues :) >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Letter to the editor - Open letter to NHMA regarding fences >>> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:52:46 +1000 >>> From: Paul Pavlinovich >>> To: info at tomm.com.au >>> >>> At the National Rally a representative from the NHMA's insurer was >>> present to answer questions. One of the frequently asked questions was >>> about the fences. My understanding is that the insurer's response was >>> that a two rope fence was sufficient and all that was required by the >>> policy. >>> >>> How about it NHMA? Lets have an update to the guidelines to remove the >>> fences and replace with ropes. We need clarification. >>> >>> Rope fences are considered safe enough even in litigious USA so they >>> should be safe enough for us. >>> >>> Rope fences mean less hassle for clubs, particularly the property >>> officer. Easier to transport, set up, use and pack away. >>> >>> Rope fences are much better for photographs (especially when compared to >>> safety orange council fencing some clubs have gone for). >>> >>> Paul Pavlinovich >>>
>>> >>> -- >>> >>> pjp at steamengine.com.au >>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >>> www.steamengine.com.au >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> pjp at steamengine.com.au >>> Emerald, Victoria, Australia >>> www.steamengine.com.au >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 25/04/2005 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SEL mailing list >>> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 28 04:13:12 2005 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:13:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rick, Yes, the long bar out the front is for moving the log down once a cut is made. Let me know if you get it and I can take a ton of pictures this fall of the one at the Buckley show. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =================================== >From: "Richard Strobel" > > I wonder what the long bar coming out to the front is >for...possibly used for moving the log,,,dunno. > >Thanks Luke, >Rick From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 28 05:07:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:07:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel References: <20050427.194347.984.3.rdhaskell@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks again Ron. I got a BIL that lives in Reno. The long base on this one is busted in two pieces and has two scab plates bolted on to keep the two together. The off side pulley has provisions for two v-belts. I assuming this was a genset also. The head has the normal Mt. frost heave repair and the off side main brng is gone also. Well hopefully all these removed parts are somewhere on the farm and can be rescued. 'preciate it and Peter, yes that is a blind hole for the injector pump. Take Care all Rickin 24 above Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw now Witte Diesel > Hi again Rick. > That is just like mine # 6599. I finally found a replacement flywheel > for mine at the Tulare show. Should be running soon. I have a spare off > side flywheel now. > > Ron Haskell > rdhaskell at juno.com > Riverside, California > USA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 > > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:10:19 -0600 "Richard Strobel" > writes: > > Look here Ron, when ya get a chance, and let me know whatcha think? > > Here's > > the tag and hit next for the engine photos. > > > > http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332141215fCtqFn > > > > later pard, > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Apr 28 05:49:00 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:49:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw References: Message-ID: That would be fantastic Luke! Once again the SEL shines as usual. I can't imagine anyone but me wanting this animal but ya never know. Would be nice if trolley/carriage metal parts could be found also. The cone clutches are not stuck and it's got the lever to run them...luv runnin' levers!! Saw blade should be no problem as there are plenty around here....maybe that also could be found tho. Well thanks again ya'll. Is there anyone who doesn't need a bigger trailer :-)) Rick..well it's up to 27..jus whew!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Humungus Dragsaw > Rick, > > Yes, the long bar out the front is for moving the log down once a cut is > made. Let me know if you get it and I can take a ton of pictures this fall > of the one at the Buckley show. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > =================================== > >From: "Richard Strobel" > > > > I wonder what the long bar coming out to the front is > >for...possibly used for moving the log,,,dunno. > > > >Thanks Luke, > >Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Thu Apr 28 13:28:47 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic In-Reply-To: <02ab01c54bbd$da2d6f40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> References: <02ab01c54bbd$da2d6f40$0401a8c0@reg6db4351094b> Message-ID: <2936.165.206.180.144.1114720127.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under my 1.5 hp engine. However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? Bill bill at antique-engines.com From ivancou at alltel.net Thu Apr 28 15:08:15 2005 From: ivancou at alltel.net (ivan) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:08:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Dolly , one of our own members from the tractor list works for C & G . I've used them once and was pleased . http://www.cngco.com/index1.html But shipping to the other side of the pond might be costly unless you could get Arnie to smuggle them in on his next trip . Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please > Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an > International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, > sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just > like to compare prices with those in the UK. > > Thanks, > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Apr 28 16:48:26 2005 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:48:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <00f201c54c4c$c5fdd7a0$828ff504@x8h7l9> Jim, I am not familiar with IH 275 but who made the engine? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "Stationary Engine List" Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please > Can anyone point me in the right direction for some parts for an > International 275 tractor please? It's smoking, and needs pistons, > sleeves, rings and gasket set. Are these available in the US? I'd just > like to compare prices with those in the UK. > > Thanks, > Dolly > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu Apr 28 16:51:18 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 19:51:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question Message-ID: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so castings on a little table. Rick in Youngstown From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Apr 28 17:37:33 2005 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429003733.60699.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Bill Sandwich Cart for a 1 1/2 has either a solid board 2" thick, 9 3/4" wide and 42" long (48" with battery box). Some used 2 boards with a 1/2" gap. I don't have an exact size on the handle as so manhy are missing, but they were 26" long and 1 1/2" square and had a hole drilled with a 8" - 1/2" shaft pushed thru. Originally, the handles were oak and the board was douglus fur. I should put this up on the Sandwich Engine Club Site... http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ Steve --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under my 1.5 hp engine. However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? Bill bill at antique-engines.com From mogul460 at localnet.com Thu Apr 28 19:53:45 2005 From: mogul460 at localnet.com (Charles R Bryant) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:53:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic References: <20050429003733.60699.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c54c66$a9f97400$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Bill, Do you have the two straps (not exact terminology) that the handle attaches to. Also there is a handle bracket on both the forward and aft end of the planks. I have probably built up a couple of dozen trucks (carts) and still have enough parts for one more set. Right now due to my recent move I don't know where everything is. Up to a few weeks ago I couldn't get to the barns because of snow which now is water and mud. I think Steve can get you all the info you need but let me know if he can't. Charlie Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic > Bill > > Sandwich Cart for a 1 1/2 has either a solid board 2" thick, 9 3/4" wide > and 42" long (48" with battery box). Some used 2 boards with a 1/2" gap. > I don't have an exact size on the handle as so manhy are missing, but they > were 26" long and 1 1/2" square and had a hole drilled with a 8" - 1/2" > shaft pushed thru. Originally, the handles were oak and the board was > douglus fur. > > I should put this up on the Sandwich Engine Club Site... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ > > > Steve > --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: > Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under > my 1.5 hp engine. > However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine > the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type > handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. > Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the > "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? > > Bill > bill at antique-engines.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/05 > > From glenn.karch at gte.net Thu Apr 28 19:09:46 2005 From: glenn.karch at gte.net (Glenn A Karch) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:09:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <001701c54c60$873b29a0$0fe3123f@oemcomputer> Rick, I think the list people would be glad to have you in their area at Coolspring for a day. By the way, I will have an engine there that needs to have flywheels cast and maybe a few other parts. We can talk about it there. Glenn Glenn Karch Haubstadt, IN, USA Hercules Historian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Engine" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so castings on a little table. Rick in Youngstown _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From todengine at zoominternet.net Thu Apr 28 19:42:13 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 22:42:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> <001701c54c60$873b29a0$0fe3123f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00c501c54c65$0c6c28f0$a65bef18@pengy> Hoo boy! Casting Flywheels huh! Shouldn't be a problem. I am thinking that I will be there on Friday June 17. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn A Karch" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Question > Rick, > > I think the list people would be glad to have you in their area at > Coolspring for a day. By the way, I will have an engine there that needs > to have flywheels cast and maybe a few other parts. We can talk about it > there. > > Glenn > > Glenn Karch > Haubstadt, IN, USA > Hercules Historian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tod Engine" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:51 PM > Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question > > > I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I > would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I > have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the > foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one > day? > I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so > castings on a little table. > > Rick in Youngstown > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Apr 28 20:24:37 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:24:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question--now SEL Area In-Reply-To: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> Hi Rick, That would be GREAT! I talked to Jack earlier today and asked for the same space that the List has had for the past 8 years. I'll get the space roped off and posted with the SEL signs on Wed. June 15th. We will be in the second row at the far end--neat the trees. I'll post a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing to the right. Jake will be on the "gate." Just ask him where to go if you can't find the SEL area. Dave At 07:51 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote: >I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I >would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I >have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the >foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one >day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or >so castings on a little table. >Rick in Youngstown From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 28 20:54:06 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:54:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question--now SEL Area In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4271AFDE.2010307@scrtc.com> Dave and Rick, I think that would be a super idea. I'd love to see the castings you have made and drumming up a little business for a SEL member (or their company) ain't all bad either! Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rick, > That would be GREAT! I talked to Jack earlier today and asked > for the same space that the List has had for the past 8 years. I'll > get the space roped off and posted with the SEL signs on Wed. June > 15th. We will be in the second row at the far end--neat the trees. > I'll post a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing > to the right. Jake will be on the "gate." Just ask him where to go if > you can't find the SEL area. > Dave > > At 07:51 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote: > >> I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there >> I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings >> that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business >> for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just >> for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and >> a half dozen or so castings on a little table. >> Rick in Youngstown > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Apr 28 20:56:15 2005 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:56:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question--now SEL Area In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> References: <006a01c54c4d$2c308fe0$a65bef18@pengy> <6.1.2.0.0.20050428231658.0457d0e8@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <4271B05F.6000706@scrtc.com> BTW Rick, I don't know what day you plan to attend but I would suggest either Thurs. or Friday. Sat. has a bigger crowd (of spectators) but a lot of the engine folks pull out late Fri. or on Sat. morning. Whatever day you are there I look forward to seeing you. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi Rick, > That would be GREAT! I talked to Jack earlier today and asked > for the same space that the List has had for the past 8 years. I'll > get the space roped off and posted with the SEL signs on Wed. June > 15th. We will be in the second row at the far end--neat the trees. > I'll post a SEL sign at the head of the 2nd row with an arrow pointing > to the right. Jake will be on the "gate." Just ask him where to go if > you can't find the SEL area. > Dave > > At 07:51 PM 4/28/2005, you wrote: > >> I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there >> I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings >> that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business >> for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just >> for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and >> a half dozen or so castings on a little table. >> Rick in Youngstown > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From nadejack at optusnet.com.au Tue Apr 26 22:20:08 2005 From: nadejack at optusnet.com.au (Jack Watson) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:20:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Restorer's Lament Message-ID: <426F2108.9030807@optusnet.com.au> I'm looking over a four-stroke motor That I overhauled before. Carby is busted, exhaust pipe is shot: As for compression; compression, there's not. There's no denying, that I've stopped trying To get that flywheel off all day. So I'm looking over, that four-stroke motor Think I'll sell it on eeee-bay! (Sorry about that sixth line - won't scan - any suggestions?) ? Jack in Oz From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Apr 29 01:42:51 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:42:51 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk> <001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> Message-ID: <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Thanks for the various sites. Jim's brother has just bought yet another tractor, and apparantly it needs some work on the engine (exactly what hasn't been specified), so he's working on a worst case scenario. It looks like the parts are a similar price on both side of the pond, so it wouldn't help to have Arnie bring them over, or for us to pick them up in August. Ed, I have no idea who made the engine, but when it turns up here (it's presently in Cornwall), I'll try to find out. Thanks anyway! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 03:48:46 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429104846.78200.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Be sure and don't ask what the show dates are though. Ron Tod Engine wrote: I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so castings on a little table. Rick in Youngstown _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From todengine at zoominternet.net Fri Apr 29 04:12:03 2005 From: todengine at zoominternet.net (Tod Engine) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:12:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question References: <20050429104846.78200.qmail@web14124.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e401c54cac$5445beb0$a65bef18@pengy> I consulted my show directory and found the correct dates! Actually I still was too chEEp to buy one, I got it free when I listed our open house in September! :-) Thanks everyone and I'll see all of you on Friday June 17. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Question > Be sure and don't ask what the show dates are though. > Ron > > Tod Engine wrote: > I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I > would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I > have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the > foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? > I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so > castings on a little table. > > Rick in Youngstown > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Apr 29 04:59:46 2005 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:59:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Dolly, I found a brochure about the B275 in my "paperwork" cabinet and scanned the front and back cover for ya. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275a.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275b.jpg Informed here about the costs and they say around ? 125 (Euro) per cylinder. The B275 tractors at this side of the big pond were built in the UK. Hope it's of any help for Andy. Enjoy the sun this weekend, John H. From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 29 05:11:09 2005 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Coolspring Question In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050429121109.33481.qmail@web14127.mail.yahoo.com> That's good Rick. I wouldn't want anyone else to get into trouble as I did for asking. Ron Tod Engine wrote: I consulted my show directory and found the correct dates! Actually I still was too chEEp to buy one, I got it free when I listed our open house in September! :-) Thanks everyone and I'll see all of you on Friday June 17. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Coolspring Question > Be sure and don't ask what the show dates are though. > Ron > > Tod Engine wrote: > I plan to attend Coolspring for one day at the June show. While there I > would like to set up a little display showing some of the castings that I > have been making for engines, and maybe drum up some business for the > foundry. Would it be ok if I set up in the list area just for the one day? > I think I would just have a little 2'x2' poster and a half dozen or so > castings on a little table. > > Rick in Youngstown > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From bill at antique-engines.com Fri Apr 29 05:17:21 2005 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 05:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic In-Reply-To: <000801c54c66$a9f97400$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> References: <20050429003733.60699.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> <000801c54c66$a9f97400$2e01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Message-ID: <3729.165.206.180.144.1114777041.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Know about the mud part - a mess here due to recent tiling I did in the yard, and all the equipment still sitting around because it's too wet to move dirt back. What I have is the axles with wheels - 4 flat spokes - the axle supports (I know there is a better term!), one of which has a number cast in it like B328. It was dark so that might not be right but is close. I also have the two flat pieces - "straps" that go from the front axle support up to a stub of the wood handle. There is about 2' of wood left, with those braces still attached. There is nothing else of the handle. There are two "planks" a few inches apart that are sized like 2x4's. They certainly don't look original as they are of unequal length and one end of one is angled rather than square. They are attached via carriage and square headed bolts with square nuts on the bottom - yes, the chamfer is up, flat side down :-) Not sure what you mean by "handle bracket" - apparently must not have since I don't know what it is, or maybe I'm simply not understanding. Thanks much to you and Steve for replies! Appreciate it. And Charlie - it's good you are back in good shape. I read all of the "progress posts" with great hope. Apparently everyone did. Bill > Bill, > > Do you have the two straps (not exact terminology) that the handle > attaches > to. > Also there is a handle bracket on both the forward and aft end of the > planks. > I have probably built up a couple of dozen trucks (carts) and still have > enough parts > for one more set. Right now due to my recent move I don't know where > everything is. > Up to a few weeks ago I couldn't get to the barns because of snow which > now > is > water and mud. I think Steve can get you all the info you need but let me > know > if he can't. > > Charlie Bryant > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barr" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sandwich trucks question - ON topic > > >> Bill >> >> Sandwich Cart for a 1 1/2 has either a solid board 2" thick, 9 3/4" wide >> and 42" long (48" with battery box). Some used 2 boards with a 1/2" >> gap. >> I don't have an exact size on the handle as so manhy are missing, but >> they >> were 26" long and 1 1/2" square and had a hole drilled with a 8" - 1/2" >> shaft pushed thru. Originally, the handles were oak and the board was >> douglus fur. >> >> I should put this up on the Sandwich Engine Club Site... >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/sandwich/ >> >> >> Steve >> --- bill at antique-engines.com wrote: >> Picked up what is supposed to be a set of sandwich trucks to put under >> my 1.5 hp engine. >> However, the end of the wood handle is rotted away, so I can't determine >> the length of the handle, or the type of end it had - such as a D type >> handle, a simple T or rod at the end, etc. >> Anyone have any measurements or pics, etc. for the handle - even the >> "skids" under the engine when it was on trucks? >> >> Bill >> bill at antique-engines.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/05 >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From old_iron at msn.com Fri Apr 29 06:45:50 2005 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:45:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations Message-ID: Is anyone planing on the pagen ritual of dancing in the moonlight around a large bond fire for tomorrow night?? Around here the weather is sure not cooperating, it has been in the 30's at night. Boo hoo Peg Pfeiffer Cold and raining in Park Ridge Illinois _____________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 07:32:03 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:32:03 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f6025160504290732369cd4a5@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/05, William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Is anyone planing on the pagen ritual of dancing in the moonlight around a > large bond fire for tomorrow night?? > > Around here the weather is sure not cooperating, it has been in the 30's at > night. > > Boo hoo > > Peg Pfeiffer > Cold and raining in Park Ridge Illinois That 'Bond Fire' sounds a bit tasty, Peg! do we bring our own hostages?? :-)) High 60's and 70's this weekend and sunny... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From steve_royster at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 08:37:01 2005 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:37:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please In-Reply-To: <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, "Jim's Brother" huh? Go ahead and admit it, the French family now belongs to the FATG category! It's ok . Why last year at Arden I became a FATG myself and last month I became an OFES! I might even go STEAM next because Sweet Thing loves those flyball governors! You know the tractors are going to be closer to us at Portland this year for your viewing pleasure. See you there, Steve >From: Jim French >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractor help please >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:42:51 +0100 > >Thanks for the various sites. >Jim's brother has just bought yet another tractor, and apparantly it needs >some >work on the engine (exactly what hasn't been specified), so he's working on >a >worst case scenario. It looks like the parts are a similar price on both >side >of the pond, so it wouldn't help to have Arnie bring them over, or for us >to >pick them up in August. > >Ed, I have no idea who made the engine, but when it turns up here (it's >presently in Cornwall), I'll try to find out. > >Thanks anyway! > >Dolly > >-- >Jim French >fbi at insulate.co.uk >http://www.insulate.co.uk >http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fbi at insulate.co.uk Fri Apr 29 08:42:07 2005 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:42:07 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <42700494.21F44D3C@insulate.co.uk><001301c54c3e$c707fd00$6601a8c0@alltel.net> <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> <000901c54cb2$f37c0c90$0ff97fd4@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <427255CF.BD47C081@insulate.co.uk> Thanks, John!! Andy was really pleased with that. Right now he, Jim and Tom are busy building some kind of lifting frame over Tillie, so that she can be raised up, trailer driven underneath and loading time should be considerably shortened from the 6+ hours it took last year!!! Dolly John Hammink wrote: > Dolly, I found a brochure about the B275 in my "paperwork" > cabinet and scanned the front and back cover for ya. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275a.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/B275b.jpg > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm From nick at holden1.net Fri Apr 29 12:19:38 2005 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 20:19:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tractor help please References: <4271F38B.83A3652@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <427288CA.000001.01044@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Dolly try this site for info on your new tractor http://www.tractordata.com/td/td316.html nick Nick Holden Banbury Oxfordshire (UK) nick at holden1.net http://community.webshots.com/user/nickholden -------Original Message------- From: Jim French Date: 04/29/05 09:57:33 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Tractor help please Thanks for the various sites. Jim's brother has just bought yet another tractor, and apparantly it needs some work on the engine (exactly what hasn't been specified), so he's working on a worst case scenario. It looks like the parts are a similar price on both side of the pond, so it wouldn't help to have Arnie bring them over, or for us to pick them up in August. Ed, I have no idea who made the engine, but when it turns up here (it's presently in Cornwall), I'll try to find out. Thanks anyway! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/dolly/index.htm _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 27/04/2005 From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Apr 29 13:03:57 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:03:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger Message-ID: Howdy all; Somewhile back there was discussion about battery chargers i.e. ones you can plug into 12VDC (cigarette lighter). I just bought one AC/DC from Staples for around 35 rockets and included 4 metal hydride AA batteries. Item No. CH-3900N With a selector switch, one can chose between 2 and 4 batteries. later, RickinMt. From jameswest2500 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 29 05:13:19 2005 From: jameswest2500 at hotmail.com (James West) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 07:13:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag Message-ID: Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop here and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick it up a week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. Any thoughts??? Jim _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From listerdiesel at gmail.com Fri Apr 29 15:20:14 2005 From: listerdiesel at gmail.com (Listerdiesel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:20:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f602516050429152072a1336d@mail.gmail.com> On 4/29/05, Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all; > Somewhile back there was discussion about battery chargers i.e. ones you > can plug into 12VDC (cigarette lighter). > > I just bought one AC/DC from Staples for around 35 rockets and included 4 > metal hydride AA batteries. > > Item No. CH-3900N With a selector switch, one can chose between 2 and 4 > batteries. > > later, > RickinMt. Not quite a sales plug, but that is what we do for a living, making battery chargers of various sorts and sizes. Get to meet some interesting applications and folks. Nothing consumer thought, it's all industrial, railway and military stuff. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Email: listerdiesel at gmail.com Web: www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From nancydick at pennswoods.net Fri Apr 29 18:37:39 2005 From: nancydick at pennswoods.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:37:39 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050429183400.01ab4650@mail.pennswoods.net> Jim i don't know if the magnets can be recharged or not. When i get one that don't work right [wico] i just send them to Lee petterson in NY.Last two i sent out had new magnets put in????????? Off the shelf swap or rebuild around $200.00 R Fink PA At 05:13 AM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts >today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone >know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop here >and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick it up >a week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. > >Any thoughts??? > >Jim > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Apr 29 16:09:49 2005 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:09:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger References: Message-ID: <000401c54d10$8c07bce0$fa4c1152@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Strobel" To: "sel" Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [SEL] Old iron picture taking battery charger > Howdy all; > Somewhile back there was discussion about battery chargers i.e. ones you > can plug into 12VDC (cigarette lighter). > I just bought one AC/DC from Staples for around 35 rockets and included 4 > metal hydride AA batteries. > Item No. CH-3900N With a selector switch, one can chose between 2 and 4 > batteries. > RickinMt. Hi Rich, as a common or garden Englishman, How many of these do you get for a Pound Stirling? http://www.joecool.org/rockets.jpg Dave Croft Warrington England http://community.webshots.com/user/crftdv From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Apr 29 16:28:11 2005 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:28:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1114817291.4272c30b54127@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Jim, Just bring it to any of the big shows (Coolspring, Portland, etc.) there's usually a few guys with mag chargers who will do it for free. Some of the "mag guys" also won't "charge you" for the service. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting James West : > Hello, I have an Wico EK mag that I need to rebuild. I am ordeing parts > today but I would really like to have the magnets recharged. Does anyone > know of a person or company that does this. I took it to a local shop here > and the at first told me they could charge them, then I went to pick it up a > week later they mag had a note on that just said no can do. From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Apr 29 18:48:02 2005 From: jlb94 at juno.com (Joseph L Betz) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:48:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag Message-ID: <20050429.214810.888.1.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Jim, I see that Arnie already answered your request. Don't know where you're from - but - I might also recomend taking it to Hit & Miss' show in Orwell, OH - I think the first weekend in June. They usually have demonstrations during the show. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com - - - www.oldengine.org/members/betz ,-._,-. "What I can do, \/)"(\/ together we can do better." (R.W. Arbes) (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Apr 29 20:24:52 2005 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:24:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Wico Mag In-Reply-To: <20050429.214810.888.1.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20050429.214810.888.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050429232205.026925f0@mail.alltel.net> I have a 12v magnet charger. It's not nearly as powerful as the ones that the pros (eg Brookover and Lopolas) use, but it will do the trick. I'll start bringing it to shows! Dave >Hi Jim, >I see that Arnie already answered your request. > >Don't know where you're from - but - >I might also recomend taking it to Hit & Miss' show in Orwell, OH - >I think the first weekend in June. >They usually have demonstrations during the show. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 30 03:59:28 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:59:28 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron Message-ID: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having trouble! Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ronvicki at optusnet.com.au Sat Apr 30 04:31:32 2005 From: ronvicki at optusnet.com.au (Ron Glassby) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:31:32 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000a01c54d78$29727b70$4ecceddc@professi0cqjbx> Thanks Peter, lets see if it works this time. Ron Glassby Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having > trouble! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sat Apr 30 05:49:38 2005 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 07:49:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) Dunc William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: > Is anyone planing on the pagen ritual of dancing in the moonlight > around a large bond fire for tomorrow night?? > > Around here the weather is sure not cooperating, it has been in the > 30's at night. > > Boo hoo > > Peg Pfeiffer > Cold and raining in Park Ridge Illinois > > > _____________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- Duncan Denman Ayton, Ontario Canada Antique Gas Engines & Tractors Home Page http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Apr 30 04:55:15 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:55:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <01ac01c54d7b$79a638e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Which Ron? ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having > trouble! > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Apr 30 10:58:08 2005 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:58:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT May Day and Beltaine Celebrations In-Reply-To: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> References: <42737EE2.8060302@wightman.ca> Message-ID: > I don't know Peg. They are still calling for snow here later today. > Wouldn't want to lose anything to frostbite! ;-) Oh, that's not a big thing. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Apr 30 16:04:53 2005 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 07:04:53 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3> <01ac01c54d7b$79a638e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> Message-ID: <001b01c54dd9$09bf6f70$599f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> A happy Ron ,Ron......Ron In WA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Page" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] test for Ron > Which Ron? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:59 PM > Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > > >> This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having >> trouble! >> Peter Ogborne >> Little Grove ,Albany >> West Australia >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >> jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Apr 30 16:22:31 2005 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 09:22:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] test for Ron References: <001d01c54d73$b2fc1590$8a9281cb@ogborneuah38i3><01ac01c54d7b$79a638e0$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> <001b01c54dd9$09bf6f70$599f81cb@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <001201c54ddb$7c0d9a50$6c3bfea9@ronhh5b8az2uaq> I'm always happy Pete. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] test for Ron > A happy Ron ,Ron......Ron In WA. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Page" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] test for Ron > > > > Which Ron? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "peter ogborne" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:59 PM > > Subject: [SEL] test for Ron > > > > > >> This is a test to see if my mate Ron gets this posting ,hell is he having > >> trouble! > >> Peter Ogborne > >> Little Grove ,Albany > >> West Australia > >> ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >> jopeter at omninet.net.au > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Apr 30 19:09:39 2005 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:09:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Appleton Dragsaw Message-ID: Well everyone, I guess I'm the owner of an Appleton Dragsaw. Yup, I need a bigger truck!. By the looks of the dragsaw, I feel there are several parts added and or missing. Any help like Steve and Luke provided would be most appreciated. The plan here is to get it working at a permanent display area on the property. I would think the 5 hp Economy should power it up just fine. Here it is again for those who didn't see it the first time: http://community.webshots.com/photo/332137140/332143389NIOECZ and http://community.webshots.com/photo/332143470/332143470bDKHGV later, RickinMt.