[SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter

Tue Sep 14 16:49:52 PDT 2004

Well said Peter.

Ron

----- Original Message -----
From: "peter ogborne" <jopeter at omninet.net.au>
To: "The SEL email discussion list" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter

> Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules.
> There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam
> Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just
> think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a
big
> crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe
> and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a
> bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done
in
> engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own
> fraternity.
> If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine
and
> enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a
fence
> so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good
> insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived
> inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is
like
> pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the
> hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I
> would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the
> launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters
,they
> are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would
> not lodge a claim  if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to
> send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
>
>
> > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me.  Were it that way in the
> > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows.  Which would mean
> > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines
> > that I display.  I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment
> > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special
> > insurance.
> >
> > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving
> > in that direction in the next few years.  All due to a bunch of
> > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than
> > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me.
> >
> > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the
> > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead!  As for
> > engines, I don't think it is the same.  It simply appalls me to think
> > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could
> > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off
> > or worry about insurance.  Yes, accidents will and do happen.  Let's
> > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of
> > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping
> > in and scaring us all away from our hobby!
> >
> > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby.
> > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you
> > are on the right track!
> >
> > Chuck Emsweller
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter
> > ogborne
> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM
> > To: The SEL email discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
> >
> > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to
> > going
> > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could
> > stand in
> > the launch pad with out insurance!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chuck emsweller" <clemsweller at earthlink.net>
> > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" <sel at lists.stationary-engine.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM
> > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
> >
> >
> > > So, let me understand this properly.  You are trying to have an engine
> > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or
> > club?
> > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron?  Or have I missed something here?
> > >
> > > Chuck Emsweller
> > > Bessemer
> > > Fairbanks
> > > Caille
> > > Hercules
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam
> > > Cottrill
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM
> > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com
> > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Reg and everyone,
> > >                    Mate again you have raised in a round about way a
> > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as
> > descibed
> > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND.
> > >
> > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African
> > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is
> > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either
> > to
> > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA
> > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this
> > is
> > > difficult?
> > >
> > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I
> > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me.
> > >
> > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance
> > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them
> > directly
> > > about your concerns.
> > >
> > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is
> > in
> > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several
> > things
> > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and
> > I
> > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby.
> > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore.
> > >
> > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If
> > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side
> > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >             Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
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