From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 1 00:20:00 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:20:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Message-ID: <012f01c48ff4$1905a8d0$87731dd3@fred> To the list. Thanks for all the offers of assistance with rebuilding my Mogul Ignitor. I located an Ignitor in Canada ,it arrived in Australia last night, now we can finish the eng. Thanks to all. It shows how good this group is in helping. Brian in Melbourne. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 1 04:12:46 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, Or perhaps Joe is a master of understatement? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - He hasn't met Bambi & Nitro. PPS - Yet... On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jim French wrote: > I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. > Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming > things down to try to look better? > Dolly > Official SEL Flame Mistress > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > > > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > > but then who isn't? From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Sep 1 05:04:36 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 05:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Multiple Show Photos In-Reply-To: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> Message-ID: <20040901120436.76556.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> I finally have sat down and completed several show picture reports that have been waiting to be done. 800+ pictures of engines and tractors. New Shows Added: Portland, IN Show - 2004 Baraboo, WI Show - 2004 Sycamore, IL Show - 2004 --1st National Gade Show - Marshalltown, IA - 2004 --Not finished yet-- Franklin Grove, IL - 2004 DuPage County Fair - 2004 Will County, IL 2004 Paublo Agricultural Museum - Stonington, IL 2004 Here is the link to the show page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/show_reports.htm I feel better now...I wasn't the only one who had to be towed out of the North end trailer parking area at Portland...I hooked up to the trailer a few minutes before the rains came Saturday and created Lake Portland...Pulled Forward ~8 feet and spun out...I did get to wait in the truck until after the rain stopped and then hiked in to the gate to call for a tractor (an AC) to pull the Truck and Trailer out. Please provide feedback directly (offlist) about download times on the larger pages (dialup users only as it is fine for those on high speed access). Steve ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 05:30:26 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:30:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> References: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> Message-ID: <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> Bill Herreid wrote: > I am fairly new to the hobby, and only have one flywheel engine of my > own, a 1929 Economy XK, on which the piston still does not move. > Looking forward to next year at Lake Portland (hopefully the tides > will be down). > > From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid > Bill, bring that beast along and we will see if the piston will glide smoothly before you leave! "love these challenges" -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From billalan at busynet.net Wed Sep 1 06:37:21 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:37:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> References: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> Message-ID: <4135D091.4030305@busynet.net> Leroy, I hope to have it running before then, unless I find that I need more parts that I don't already have. If it is running, you can bet that I will bring it along. If it isn't, I am sure that I could find the parts there that are needed, so we will have to wait and see. Bill From toadhill at aeroinc.net Wed Sep 1 06:58:01 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:58:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> Reg, I met you last year - at Baraboo, I think. Had the 12hp Stover screen cooled and the little black hat. If that helps. R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've started to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and the igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the moon! Joe From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 1 07:17:09 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:17:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com><4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com><4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> <00ba01c49002$64068620$190d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002001c4902e$5eb48240$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Every Ignitor I build gets a shot of "Anti-Seize" compound before it ships out. I started this one summer several years ago when an ignitor I shipped to Texas came back "Stuck", the new shaft had rusted in the hole while in transit, too much humidity I guessed at the time. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Ever thought of trying a teflon type dry lube or similar? Might work. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:47 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > > >> Curt, >> >> Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to >> lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and >> stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil >> helps keep it from being so "gummy". >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 07:24:50 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:24:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <20040901.101915.796.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4135DBB2.000004.01868@NOTEBOOK> Hmmmm, I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our engines, you know the ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 07:25:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:25:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Portland Coming Soon Message-ID: <20040901.110620.796.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Can't wait to see them. Thanks, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 08:12:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <20040901.113250.796.8.jlb94@juno.com> Ahh - Yes - Now I see. Yes - I'm a little "Wobbly" Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:24:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Hmmmm, > > I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our > engines, > you know the > ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 08:32:51 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:32:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French engine. This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 it isn't all that old. So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto has a 1922 date stamped on it. I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine more. What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? George Ps... While most of you were away enjoying the Portland show, I rejoined SEL. From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 09:57:50 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:57:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <4135D091.4030305@busynet.net> References: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> <4135D091.4030305@busynet.net> Message-ID: <4135FF8E.9020604@udata.com> Bill Herreid wrote: > Leroy, > > I hope to have it running before then, unless I find that I need more > parts that I don't already have. If it is running, you can bet that I > will bring it along. If it isn't, I am sure that I could find the > parts there that are needed, so we will have to wait and see. > > Yea, but how are you going to get the piston out? that's the fun part................... -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 10:01:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:01:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: <41360056.4090604@udata.com> Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: >R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've started to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and the igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the moon! > >Joe > > > Joe, an old timer long ago told me to mix tranny fluid into my fuel for the old engins, but I forgot to do this sometime ago. He only mixed about an ounce or two to a gallon of petro. Is this what you mean -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 1 10:13:21 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:13:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <001801c49046$fbca8300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi George, Glad you got the engine home, so Harry is happy too. I got a hind about that brand and looked up some pics in my photo files. Two years ago I took them at a little local show at the Maritime Museum at Groningen. Can't remember the specs or the owner of the engine. Seems to methis one is older. Tomorrow morning early we will drive to our club's 5th lustrum show at Barchem, a 3? hour drive. 5 days show time, the last we will do this season. Will try to find out something about the engine for you. There also is a new book about all the French engines ever made, I read in the last club magazine. Could ask one of the sellers what is in the book about this engine. Pics can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Thierry.htm Will talk to you next week again. All the best, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > > George From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 1 10:34:25 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:34:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine Message-ID: <41360821.5050005@imc-group.com> Folks, Missy is fired up to work on her New Way now! She picked up a New Way muffler at Portland and all that is needed now is to get it on a cart, a fan assy, and the shroud. If anyone has a lead on a fan assy (original or repopped) or the shroud please let us know. Anyone know the year of manufacture? Here is the tag info: 2 1/2 HP Model C Type C RPM: Reg. 450 Var. 300 - 600 Serial number: 3595 Year ???? Base is hinged with 2 bolts below the front name plate. Bosch mag Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Sep 1 10:38:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:38:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M References: <000f01c48eb3$0c453990$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Preciate the info John. We picked it up yesterday and now it's sitting in my shop. Turned out to be a horse and a half "M." 1921 according to your list. Will get pictures soon. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC 3hp M > Hi Rick he always is welcome and since he has an ignitor > fired one he will get a nice and quietly running engine when > it's done. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Howdy all; > > Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real > > nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension > > mag > > and igniter. > > Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other > > than > > that, she should run. > > > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 1 10:38:13 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:38:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <007c01c4904a$750d44c0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 > it isn't all that old. > So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the > company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. > Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size > or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. > For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto > has a 1922 date stamped on it. > I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on > multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number > on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 > intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have > found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll > keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine > more. > What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? > George Hi George, Montberthault is a small town on the Cote D'Or (Gold Coast) with a population of 283. Probably a small firm that used to be there! Dave croft From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 10:53:02 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:53:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: Thanks John, It appears I'd better call this engine a "Thierry" rather than a DUX. DUX could be the model. I doubt the French book has "all" the French engines ever made. Sort of like the BYB/BRB books don't have all the American engines. If you come across a book vendor selling the French engine book I'd like to get one. I've now got two French engines, have my eye on what is supposed to be a French sideshaft in Nebraska, and would love to own some of the French engines Harry and I saw on our EHOWT. Thanks, George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > John Hammink > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:13 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine > > Hi George, > > Glad you got the engine home, so Harry is happy too. > I got a hind about that brand and looked up some pics in my > photo files. Two years ago I took them at a little local show > at the Maritime Museum at Groningen. Can't remember the specs > or the owner of the engine. Seems to methis one is older. > Tomorrow morning early we will drive to our club's 5th > lustrum show at Barchem, a 3? hour drive. 5 days show time, > the last we will do this season. Will try to find out > something about the engine for you. There also is a new book > about all the French engines ever made, I read in the last > club magazine. Could ask one of the sellers what is in the > book about this engine. > Pics can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Thierry.htm > Will talk to you next week again. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 11:00:17 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:00:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: > Hi George, Montberthault is a small town on the Cote D'Or (Gold Coast) > with a population of 283. > Probably a small firm that used to be there! > Dave croft Thanks Dave! I was thinking Cote D'Or was a city, but now I realize that Montberthault is the city and Cote D'Or is the area. French geography isn't one of my areas of knowledge and generally I am not a fan of the French. But they made some very interesting engines, especially the early years. George From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Sep 1 11:04:53 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:04:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <002301c4904e$31a37020$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Very nice George!! I wonder how always find more of these oddballs;-) Oh the photo's look very familiar, even the background;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > > This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 > it isn't all that old. > > So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the > company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. > > Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size > or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. > For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto > has a 1922 date stamped on it. > > I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on > multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number > on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 > intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have > found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll > keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine > more. > > What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? > > George > > Ps... While most of you were away enjoying the Portland show, I rejoined > SEL. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 1 11:18:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:18:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> <41360056.4090604@udata.com> Message-ID: <41361270.403@imc-group.com> Leroy, How about the old fashioned Marvel Mystery Oil? It's claim to fame was/is top cylinder lubrication, valves, etc. So far we've got suggestions for coal oil, teflon powder lubricant, anti-seize, Gibbs, PB Blaster, and diesel detergent oil. I think that's all of them. I've got the Gibbs, teflon powder, anti-seize, and Marvel Mystery Oil at home. I'll do some experimenting. Thanks for all the great suggestions! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Ted, Charles Stickney's thoughts on an external ignitor were to keep the ignitor cool so as not to burn the points. Believe that is part of the problem, it never gets hot enough to burn off deposits! Is Stickney indeed the only manufacturer of engines to have an external ignitor? Leroy C. wrote: > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > >> R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline >> appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. >> Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've started >> to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and the >> igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the moon! >> >> Joe >> >> >> > Joe, an old timer long ago told me to mix tranny fluid into my fuel > for the old engins, but I forgot to do this sometime ago. He only > mixed about an ounce or two to a gallon of petro. Is this what you mean > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 11:22:47 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Harry Terpstra > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:05 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine > Oh the photo's look very familiar, even the background;-) I wonder why? ;-) Actually I could take some new photos, but yours were handy. George From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Sep 1 11:23:05 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:23:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: <001801c49046$fbca8300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003d01c49050$c1be8ad0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Wow that is a nice restoration!! He John have you ever seen that engine again an any show? I can't recall seeing it before. By the looks of it, it is a (very) small engine? I like the mixer on that engine;-) Hope to see you in Barchem next Saturday or Sunday, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine > Hi George, > > Glad you got the engine home, so Harry is happy too. > I got a hind about that brand and looked up some pics in my > photo files. Two years ago I took them at a little local show > at the Maritime Museum at Groningen. Can't remember the > specs or the owner of the engine. Seems to methis one is older. > Tomorrow morning early we will drive to our club's 5th lustrum > show at Barchem, a 3? hour drive. 5 days show time, the last > we will do this season. Will try to find out something about the > engine for you. There also is a new book about all the French > engines ever made, I read in the last club magazine. Could ask > one of the sellers what is in the book about this engine. > Pics can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Thierry.htm > Will talk to you next week again. > > All the best, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > > engine. > > > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 1 12:15:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? In-Reply-To: <41361270.403@imc-group.com> References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> <41360056.4090604@udata.com> <41361270.403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Ted, Can you guys say a bit more about what an "external ignitor" is, how it works, and how it differs from a conventional "internal" ignitor? This is a new term to me. I've seen a number of Stickneys, but somehow I missed this detail. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > P.S. Ted, Charles Stickney's thoughts on an external ignitor were to > keep the ignitor cool so as not to burn the points. Believe that is part > of the problem, it never gets hot enough to burn off deposits! Is > Stickney indeed the only manufacturer of engines to have an external > ignitor? From cjclem at sysim.net Wed Sep 1 16:20:58 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (Jack) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:20:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Ignitors Message-ID: <1094080858.4136595aa1791@webmail.sysim.net> They use linear motion instead of oscillating like most spring snap ignitors. The combustion gases are pushed by compression into a hollow T where the linear rod makes contact with fixed ground & spark occurs. It is just that the points are not inside bore area like many. The body is outside the engine as others, even those piston trip on McVickers & Edwards. Hope this clears it up some. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 1 15:27:27 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:27:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <20040901.101915.796.0.jlb94@juno.com> <4135DBB2.000004.01868@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <009701c49081$daa8e820$0100007f@athlon> Oh! I like the thinking! A few beers makes me 'eccentric' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Hmmmm, I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our engines, you know the ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" From BetCleve321 at aol.com Wed Sep 1 17:26:37 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:26:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/1/2004 3:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Can you guys say a bit more about what an "external ignitor" is, how it works, and how it differs from a conventional "internal" ignitor? This is a new term to me. I've seen a number of Stickneys, but somehow I missed this detail. Thanks. See ya, Arnie I'll betcha that an internal ignitor operates from a whack from the piston whilest an external one gete its urge from an external whack from a hammer triggered by the ignitor being released by so on and so on ect.. Skip From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 17:37:18 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:37:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? References: Message-ID: <41366B3E.000003.03812@NOTEBOOK> External Ignitor = Blonde walking past the table outside the restaurant Internal Ignitor = Blonde walking past the table inside the restaurant Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/01/04 20:32:35 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? In a message dated 9/1/2004 3:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Can you guys say a bit more about what an "external ignitor" is, how it works, and how it differs from a conventional "internal" ignitor? This is a new term to me. I've seen a number of Stickneys, but somehow I missed this detail. Thanks. See ya, Arnie I'll betcha that an internal ignitor operates from a whack from the piston whilest an external one gete its urge from an external whack from a hammer triggered by the ignitor being released by so on and so on ect.. Skip _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Sep 1 17:52:09 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:52:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <009701c49081$daa8e820$0100007f@athlon> Message-ID: <008a01c49087$17212790$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Ole Reg has got 'is wobbly boots on again............. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Oh! I like the thinking! A few beers makes me 'eccentric' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Hmmmm, I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our engines, you know the ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 1 18:03:03 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:03:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <41361270.403@imc-group.com> References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> <41360056.4090604@udata.com> <41361270.403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41367147.6010206@scrtc.com> Curt, Springfield igniters fire outside the cylinder. I'm sure there are others. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt Holland wrote: > Leroy, > How about the old fashioned Marvel Mystery Oil? It's claim to fame > was/is top cylinder lubrication, valves, etc. > So far we've got suggestions for coal oil, teflon powder lubricant, > anti-seize, Gibbs, PB Blaster, and diesel detergent oil. I think > that's all of them. I've got the Gibbs, teflon powder, anti-seize, and > Marvel Mystery Oil at home. I'll do some experimenting. Thanks for all > the great suggestions! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Ted, Charles Stickney's thoughts on an external ignitor were to > keep the ignitor cool so as not to burn the points. Believe that is > part of the problem, it never gets hot enough to burn off deposits! Is > Stickney indeed the only manufacturer of engines to have an external > ignitor? > > Leroy C. wrote: > >> Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: >> >>> R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline >>> appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. >>> Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've >>> started to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and >>> the igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the >>> moon! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >> Joe, an old timer long ago told me to mix tranny fluid into my fuel >> for the old engins, but I forgot to do this sometime ago. He only >> mixed about an ounce or two to a gallon of petro. Is this what you mean >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From asouth at strato.net Wed Sep 1 18:17:50 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:17:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT another hurricane Message-ID: <01ac01c4908a$aac23f40$0100a8c0@emachine> Good morning lists. As you probably know, we have another hurricane bearing down on East coast of Fla. Gale force winds extend out 140 miles from the center. We are 101 miles from the East coast. IF it hits us with any winds over 50 MPH my goose is cooked as far as my shop goes. The house probably won't stand up to much wind this time either. I'll let you know our condition as soon as I can after the storm passes. Any thing like 2 weeks ago and it will be a while. We were without phone service almost 2 weeks. To keep the mail box from getting clogged, I'll unsubscribe from the lists Friday or Saturday. Our hearts go out to the folks up North along the Atlantic Seaboard who got hit a couple of days ago. I hope Frances doesn't get to you and cause more destruction. Y'all take care, C'ya, AMS Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Aermoter at aol.com Wed Sep 1 18:46:20 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:46:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine Message-ID: Hi Curt, if your unable to find those parts let me know and I can take them off of mine and send them to you to reproduce. I don't know of anyone repo'ing them. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 19:13:24 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:13:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Hey, pretty quiet out there!!! Now that I've got this Economy running I'm wondering which way to go with her. Is it better to clean & paint or leave her all original???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Sep 1 19:15:26 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:15:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New list member Message-ID: <20040902021526.21863.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Joe Hahahahah, nice one honest Joe, glad you joined the list and said what everyone else is too scared to say.... How long did you say you wanted to be on the list? Eccentric? hahaha most definitely, just hang around here and you'll find out. Arnie & Dave eccentric?.... hahahaha. Arnie a little bit, Dave a whole lot, strewth where's my pills.... Graham in Oz Hi Folks, I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric but then who isn't? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 1 19:22:56 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:22:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley 2 HP Message-ID: <001401c49093$c2ce0390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Does anyone have a good picture of the rocker arm/head/valve actuating arm for a 2 HP Sattley. Seems it is different than the 1 1/2 HP Sattley. I'm talking about the later solid flywheel type Sattley, sometimes called the New Sattley. Started the 1 3/4 and 2 HP about 1930 and the plug goes into the side of the head instead of the front. Any help is appreciated and I'll pass it on to the man that inquired to me. Off list is fine as well as large files. He has to make a rocker arm, so detail is important. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From skipl at montana.com Wed Sep 1 20:24:18 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:24:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M References: <000f01c48eb3$0c453990$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <41369262.406D55D@montana.com> rick, the columbia falls show is next weekend, hope to see you there. skip Richard Strobel wrote: > Preciate the info John. We picked it up yesterday and now it's sitting in > my shop. Turned out to be a horse and a half "M." 1921 according to your > list. > > Will get pictures soon. > later, > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC 3hp M > > > Hi Rick he always is welcome and since he has an ignitor > > fired one he will get a nice and quietly running engine when > > it's done. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > Howdy all; > > > Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real > > > nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension > > > mag > > > and igniter. > > > Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other > > > than > > > that, she should run. > > > > > > Thanks much!! > > > RickinMt. > > > PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 20:27:02 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:27:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint color In-Reply-To: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <41369306.6010805@udata.com> Gday Anyone with a paint color and number for the Gade engin. Thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 20:26:51 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:26:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <20040901.233154.412.7.jlb94@juno.com> Leave her all original - Bob At least for a couple years then some cold winter night - she'll keep ya warm whilst you taker her all apart and give her a face lift. It's like taking a new girl to the show. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 20:37:51 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:37:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sattley 2 HP In-Reply-To: <001401c49093$c2ce0390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200409020337.i823bsa6014318@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Jeff, Starbolt lists one for a 2HP solid flywheel Sattley. Ask some questions first, but it sure beats building one from scratch. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Sattley 2 HP Hello all, Does anyone have a good picture of the rocker arm/head/valve actuating arm for a 2 HP Sattley. Seems it is different than the 1 1/2 HP Sattley. I'm talking about the later solid flywheel type Sattley, sometimes called the New Sattley. Started the 1 3/4 and 2 HP about 1930 and the plug goes into the side of the head instead of the front. Any help is appreciated and I'll pass it on to the man that inquired to me. Off list is fine as well as large files. He has to make a rocker arm, so detail is important. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Wed Sep 1 20:49:12 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 3:49:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift Message-ID: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> I didn't make it to Portland this year, but my friend Dick Gibbens went and brought me back a gift, a cordless drill. This is a nice one, manufactured by Cole, it's complete, had some surface rust but cleaned up nice, most of the original paint is still on it. I missed a few of these on E-bay, was second highest bidder on a couple, glad to get this one. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 1 21:00:08 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 06:00:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Paint color References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41369306.6010805@udata.com> Message-ID: <000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Leroy, according Wendel's book: Old style: Dark green 75874. New style: Red 660. Du Pont #. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Gday > Anyone with a paint color and number for the Gade engin. Thanks > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 21:16:03 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:16:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040902.011049.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, Yesterday - I responded to one of Curt's posts and I said that I was doing something really "stupid" - I just didn't know what it was. Figuring I shorted the capacitor somehow, I took the Briggs flywheel off and started poking around again. After disconnecting the capacitor from the points I figured it was okay. While having the ohm meter at hand I (for some reason) decided to check the points with the ohm meter. NOTHING ! - Huh ? - Yep, - NOTHING !!! Wait a minute ! What's wrong here. I set them at .020. Someone told me the points setting for all Briggs is .020. Even the manual says .020. Looking closer with my OTHER BLIND EYE, I discovered what the ohm meter was telling me - - - MY POINTS AREN'T CLOSING !!! After setting them - again (with both blind eyes ) This time so they close - and putting everything back together - again - I now had spark. WELL, I'LL BE !!! Yep - It's running again !!! I told you I was doing something really "stupid". Thanks to all who helped. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Sep 2 04:00:47 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:00:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine In-Reply-To: <41360821.5050005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040902205841.00b68740@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Curt, my father did a repo for mine using my stuffed old shroud as a patern. It could be an option for you if all else fails. Will be plus post from Australia how ever. Let us know how you go. Russell At 01:34 PM 1/09/2004 -0400, you wrote: > Folks, >Missy is fired up to work on her New Way now! She picked up a New Way >muffler at Portland and all that is needed now is to get it on a cart, a >fan assy, and the shroud. > >If anyone has a lead on a fan assy (original or repopped) or the shroud >please let us know. > >Anyone know the year of manufacture? Here is the tag info: > >2 1/2 HP >Model C >Type C >RPM: Reg. 450 Var. 300 - 600 >Serial number: 3595 >Year ???? >Base is hinged with 2 bolts below the front name plate. >Bosch mag > >Thanks, >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 06:23:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Hiya J.B., Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that show some pretty inventive setups for using one. http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf He also has some nice pics and a bit of background at http://rustyiron.com/engines/coledrill/index.html See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 jbcast at charter.net wrote: > I didn't make it to Portland this year, but my friend Dick Gibbens went > and brought me back a gift, a cordless drill. This is a nice one, > manufactured by Cole, it's complete, had some surface rust but cleaned > up nice, most of the original paint is still on it. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 2 00:48:58 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:48:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] English Rally Programs Message-ID: <001401c490c1$4de41e60$0f856ad5@zen> If any of you would like to see what a show is like over here I have 4 copies of the program for Onslow Park Rally. It would probably be better for me to post all 4 copies to one person & let him distribute them. There are only 72 stationary engines but you can see the large variety of exhibits at one of our shows. Dave Croft. Warrington. England. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 06:56:00 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Bob, Could you tell us more about the current condition of the engine? Is there a mix of original paint blended with the patina of well oiled cast iron showing thru? Perhaps a faded but still visable Economy logo.... Is some of the pinstriping still there? If this is the case then I would certainly leave it original. However, if it is a rusty lump with no paint anymore it needs some painting TLC. Or if it has been repainted in the past it needs some painting TLC. A lot of us Americans are lazy when it comes to engine painting. I've seen lots of engines at shows that look like crap because the owner was just not motivated to clean and/or paint the engine. Based on the engine pictures our European friends post, it is apparent the art of elbow grease, hard work, and craftsmanship is alive and well there. You'll not see a shabby engine on their side of the pond. Most are spendidly prepared and painted with a high quality paint. We could all learn a thing or two from our European freinds. If you embark on the path of repainting your Economy, you need to decide to what extent you will refinish her. There are guys that blast and simply paint the engines as the casting are, imperfections and all. This is NOT the quality of finish the engines left the factory with. The manufacturers had some "paste" they used to fill in the casting imperfections with before painting them. That original product is not available but modern (and superior) products such as body filler and Icing do a great job. While slicking an engine is a lot of work there is some merit to doing at least the water hopper. When you buy the replacement decals (either water transfer or stick on) the translucent background will turn invisible on a nice slick/smooth surface. Decals placed on a as cast and painted surface look pretty bad as the "translucent" portion of the decal takes on a white look to it. Glenn Karch can advise you on the proper decal for your year of Economy. As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a good looker or a trophy gal? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Bob Jacobs wrote: > Hey, pretty quiet out there!!! > > > >Now that I've got this Economy running I'm wondering which way to go with >her. > > > >Is it better to clean & paint or leave her all original???? > > > >Bob > >Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > >others just use the initials! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Sep 2 07:11:45 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine References: <41360821.5050005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <061f01c490f6$c778e500$0301a8c0@ALEC> Hi Curt, I talked with Missy about her engine. It is a 1910-11 vintage. I have a shroud for a 2.5 to 3.5 hp vert. I made up extras when I got mine done. I will have to take some measurments and see if they are the same or perhaps some of our real knowledgeable ( thats real smart for some of you off center eccentric folks) folks can save us the trouble . Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine > Folks, > Missy is fired up to work on her New Way now! She picked up a New Way > muffler at Portland and all that is needed now is to get it on a cart, a > fan assy, and the shroud. > > If anyone has a lead on a fan assy (original or repopped) or the shroud > please let us know. > > Anyone know the year of manufacture? Here is the tag info: > > 2 1/2 HP > Model C > Type C > RPM: Reg. 450 Var. 300 - 600 > Serial number: 3595 > Year ???? > Base is hinged with 2 bolts below the front name plate. > Bosch mag > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 2 07:56:59 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:56:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <413734BB.000001.02164@NOTEBOOK> Hello Curt Thanks for your input. I guess the easiest way to go is if you'd send me your address I'll send you back some pics. I'm not sure how to do it through the list here. Bob From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 2 07:57:18 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:57:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford engine? Message-ID: I've got the opportunity to add another European engine to my collection. This is what I'm guessing to be a 5hp size Bamford engine (English). Rather nice looking engine with an odd shaped pushrod with a "U" shape which passes under the Webster Tri-polar mag and ignitor. Only thing about the engine I'm not wild about it that it is throttle governed rather than hit&miss. I know that years ago Kenny Wolf had a smaller one for sale at Portland, so I'm sure there are a few Bamford's in the U.S. although I'm sure they are not common here. Just curious as to what's the ballpark value of these engines in the U.K. and what do you think they are worth in the U.S.? (I realize value is whatever someone is willing to pay) I'm thinking I can get this one for $1500 to $2000. Just don't want to spend that much then find out they are a $500 engine in the U.K. George From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 2 07:58:13 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:58:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <41373505.000003.02164@NOTEBOOK> Hey Curt, Well, She sat in the orchard on her side for lord knows how many years til my dad & I rescued her. The original buzz rig fell apart as we tried to rescue it, to the point the wood powdered when touched. She's still a greasy old girl and looks like both the original undercoat and final coat of paint are partially intact. I got her running in the "found" condition and at the least I think I should probably give her a good steam bath to see exactly what's left there. No traces of original decals are to be seen anywhere. I don't really know the year of her but her serial # is 28177. I don't know how to mail you off list here (computer illiterate ya know) but if you'd send me your address I'll happily return some pics to you. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 2 08:14:59 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:14:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094138099.413738f387e4c@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting George Best : > I've got the opportunity to add another European engine to my > collection. > > This is what I'm guessing to be a 5hp size Bamford engine (English). > > Rather nice looking engine with an odd shaped pushrod with a "U" shape > which passes under the Webster Tri-polar mag and ignitor. > > Only thing about the engine I'm not wild about it that it is throttle > governed rather than hit&miss. > > I know that years ago Kenny Wolf had a smaller one for sale at Portland, > so I'm sure there are a few Bamford's in the U.S. although I'm sure they > are not common here. > > Just curious as to what's the ballpark value of these engines in the > U.K. and what do you think they are worth in the U.S.? (I realize value > is whatever someone is willing to pay) > > I'm thinking I can get this one for $1500 to $2000. Just don't want to > spend that much then find out they are a $500 engine in the U.K. > > George The 'Tulip Top' hopper Bamford is probably the most collectable, and the big 10hp the most rare of the Bamfords. Yours is probably an ?800 - ?1000 engine over here, certainly not a $500 one. Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 08:22:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Your post has brought up one of the more interesting topics that surfaces from time to time on the list. I'll intersperse my comments among Curt's. On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Could you tell us more about the current condition of the engine? Is > there a mix of original paint blended with the patina of well oiled cast > iron showing thru? Perhaps a faded but still visable Economy logo.... Is > some of the pinstriping still there? If this is the case then I would > certainly leave it original. One of the greatest tradegies in the hobby is when someone has an engine with faded original paint, striping, decal, etc. and they sandblast that to do a cosmetic restoration. A hand wipe using a 50-50 mix of kero and NON-detergent motor oil brings up that faded color & decal and darkens the rusty bits leaving a soft shine. A more permanent effect can be obtained by wiping on a THIN coat of boiled linseed oil. The engine, of course, must be clean for that treatment. Gunk is a great de-greaser. > However, if it is a rusty lump with no paint anymore it needs some > painting TLC. Ahhhh, there's the rub... SOME folks (like Curt and Dave R.) do fantastic full gloss restorations of engines. Some folks even spend more on paint than on the engine itself. Fortunatly there is room in the hobby for "pretty engines." Some folks even prefer 'em that way. 8-)) BUT, and this bit is VERY important, SOME folks prefer to see the engines in their "working clothes." This can be "barn fresh" with grease, straw, and chicken droppings still attached or can be a cleaned "rusty lump" that's been given the oil & kero or linseed oil treatment. A great place to see this variety is at Portland in the OFES area. Note that you'll also see "full gloss" restorations there too. And you'll also hear them referred to by some as being "tarted up like a two-dollar whore." 8-)) > A lot of us Americans are lazy when it comes to engine painting. I've > seen lots of engines at shows that look like crap because the owner was > just not motivated to clean and/or paint the engine. This is, of course, just one man's opinion. See above. > Based on the engine > pictures our European friends post, it is apparent the art of elbow > grease, hard work, and craftsmanship is alive and well there. You'll not > see a shabby engine on their side of the pond. Most are spendidly > prepared and painted with a high quality paint. We could all learn a > thing or two from our European freinds. Having attended a lot of English engine rallies I can say that things there are just the same as here. Full gloss sitting beside barn fresh on the same rally field. Perhaps Curt only remembers the full gloss beauties? Or perhaps his judgement is skewed by the fact that some punters tend to photograph the glossy babes more than the others? 8-)) > If you embark on the path of repainting your Economy, you need to decide > to what extent you will refinish her. > There are guys that blast and simply paint the engines as the casting > are, imperfections and all. This is NOT the quality of finish the > engines left the factory with. The manufacturers had some "paste" they > used to fill in the casting imperfections with before painting them. > That original product is not available but modern (and superior) > products such as body filler and Icing do a great job. SOME engines left the factory with a filler applied to the casting before painting. But some did not. Especially when competition heated up in the engine market and companies attempted to reduce costs. It depends on the engine. As you clean the engine you should get an idea which sort yours was. If you find traces of the clay-based filler, then you're pretty safe in doing a glossy, filled restoration. Glenn Karch is the best authority on what the Economy engines would have looked like leaving the factory. > While slicking an engine is a lot of work there is some merit to doing > at least the water hopper. When you buy the replacement decals (either > water transfer or stick on) the translucent background will turn > invisible on a nice slick/smooth surface. Decals placed on a as cast and > painted surface look pretty bad as the "translucent" portion of the > decal takes on a white look to it. That bit is good advice. There is one clear downside to investing a lot of work, money, etc. in slicking up an engine. Many who do become paranoid about getting so much as a scratch on that "perfect finish." They don't run the engine, they doen't even add gas or oil. They wrap the engine in layers of protective quilts and avoid the rain. In short, they have a beautiful woman with perfect hair, makeup, and nails who rejects all attention for fear of getting something "mussed." No "slap & tickle" in the back seat for that gal. 8-)) Personally, I like to play with my toys. My engines run rain or shine or I'm working on them to get 'em running again. Working engines are also more fun for the spectators. What's the point in having an engine belted up to a water pump or buzz saw and being afraid to pump water or buzz firewood for fear of "scratching the paint" or getting it dirty. That surely wasn't the position taken by the farmer when he uncrated that glossy new engine. He worked the sumbitch. So as you can see there are passionate advocates for all sorts of restorations. And more importantly there is room in the hobby for all sorts of engines; full gloss AND rusty lumps. Do what pleases YOU and most importantly, take the engine out to as many shows as you can afford to attend and RUN the damn thing. There's the real fun!! 8-)) One more point that wasn't covered is the mechanical aspect. Before you do "cosmetics" make sure that the engine is as right mechanically as you can get it. As to preserving "farmer repairs", I'm generally in favor of that. But it is important to include a description of the repair in your display and show folks what it should look like. Many of these repairs were pretty clever. The "Swamp Sparta" comes to mind as a classic example. > As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a > good looker or a trophy gal? Or as Jim & Dolly would say "totty or slapper." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 08:29:50 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <41373505.000003.02164@NOTEBOOK> References: <41373505.000003.02164@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: Hi Bob, > She's still a greasy old girl and looks like both the original undercoat > and final coat of paint are partially intact. I got her running in the > "found" condition and at the least I think I should probably give her > a good steam bath to see exactly what's left there. No traces > of original decals are to be seen anywhere. You might want to take a gentler approach to start. Steam cleaning would remove the old grease and oil, but might also blast off some remaining paint. I like to go easy on a new engine with a bucket of kero and a brush. It's slower and messier but less aggressive. You may be surprised at what shows up under that old grease. You can always steam clean later. You'd feel really bad to spot pieces of decal & paint sitting in the drain at the steam cleaners. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 08:37:49 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I just bought a 3 hp Tulip Top Bamford. It's a newer one with a Wico mag and is hit & miss. It's in perfect running condition on an excellent cart. I'll send you some pics from my other email addy. It just arrived in Pittsburgh yesterday. I need to pay bail to get her free. 8-)) They're great engines and not very common on this side of the pond. What hopper style does yours have? I don't think I've seen one that was a throttler or one in 5 hp. Does anyone have a copy of the A to Zed handy? See ya, Arnie PS - My Bamford is a "pretty" one... 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > This is what I'm guessing to be a 5hp size Bamford engine (English). > > Rather nice looking engine with an odd shaped pushrod with a "U" shape > which passes under the Webster Tri-polar mag and ignitor. > > Only thing about the engine I'm not wild about it that it is throttle > governed rather than hit&miss. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 2 08:35:48 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:35:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > SOME folks (like Curt and Dave R.) do fantastic full gloss > restorations of engines. Some folks even spend more on paint > than on the engine itself. > Fortunatly there is room in the hobby for "pretty engines." Arnie, You mean "girly engines"? ;-) George From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 08:47:14 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures Message-ID: I have completed a small page with a few pictures I took this year at the Buckley, Michigan show. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html Hope you enjoy looking at them. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 09:03:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:03:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Butt Paste Message-ID: <4137443C.4000303@imc-group.com> Those at the Portland charity auction know all about this stuff! I was humored to see it show up on Netscape this morning! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/usmain.jsp?feature=paste0804 From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 2 09:11:23 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:11:23 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <4137462B.000013.01084@NOTEBOOK> Great pics Luke, and thanks a ton for the info you sent me. Gotta hit the road now for the weekend Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 09:37:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Nahhhh, THIS is a "girly engine", errrr, motor... 8-)) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.htm See ya, Arnie On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > > Fortunatly there is room in the hobby for "pretty engines." > > Arnie, > > You mean "girly engines"? ;-) > > George From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 09:59:09 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:59:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What followed me home. Message-ID: <4137515D.7000002@imc-group.com> Haven't heard much about what followed the Portland pilgrims home this year so I'll start with one and then ask a question about it that I need some advice on. At the spring swap meet I bought a synchronous generator that make 60 cycles 115 volt power at 52 amps continuos. At the fall Portland show I was looking for a prime mover for it. I looked at some of the Kabota diesels at $900 that were missing the flywheels, starters, and alternators. There were also some sweet 2 cylinder Vee, 17HP Kiwasakee(sp?) engines for $700. Then I found her! A WWII vintage Hercules 4 cylinder stand alone power plant that ran. It was cheap and best of all, it's a kewl looking motor. Looks old, flat head, lots of neat stuff to look at. So home it followed... After her poor starter motor took a swim in Lake Portland I figured I better take that apart and dry the arm and field windings in the oven. I gave the entire engine a good pressure washing and dried the generator too. Missy didn't even grumble (much) when I dried the parts in the oven. Last night I reassembled the starter and generator. Before putting them back on I replaced a leaky valve lifter cover gasket with a new home made cork one. At the show the engine seemed to be running very lean so I took the carb apart and sure enough there was some old gas gum clogging some tiny holes. Everything is back together and she is running great now. (Jim Dunmeyer-mine now runs a little rich too-expecially at slower rpms) I've just finished sketching up an adapter plate to mount the synchronous generator to the bell housing of the Hercules motor. I still need to design the coupling between the flywheel and the synchronous generator. This synchronous generator does not have a bearing on the input side of the shaft. It is designed to be supported by the shaft that is driving it. On the Hercules engine's flywheel are 4 bolt studs sticking out of the face of the flywheel. The there was a plate slid over these studs with big rubber bushings/grommets between the studs and the plate. A nuts squeezed and expanded the rubber to make it a tight fit within the plate. I imagine all this was done to remove power pulses. It would be a whole lot easier to design a solid coupler from the flywheel face to the input shaft of the synchronous generator. But my question is, does anyone know if the power pulses are significant enough to do damage to the armature windings on the synchronous generator? Was this elaborate rubber bushings and floating plate a necessity to make the original synchronous generator last? Or was it simply a coupling to handle misalignment? I think most car clutches have some sort of springs system to remove power pulses. What are your thoughts? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. What followed y'all home? From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 2 10:19:42 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:19:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT another hurricane Message-ID: <1cb.2a030c34.2e68b02e@aol.com> Arthur, Best of luck to you in the coming storm. It sure looks like Florida is going to take the brunt of Francis at this time. Been following closely as we are headed to North Carolina and the Outer Banks in the morning. So far it looks ok. Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From jbcast at charter.net Thu Sep 2 10:46:10 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:46:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill Message-ID: <3a57rt$7mda41@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. > Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that > show some pretty inventive setups for using one. > http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf > > He also has some nice pics and a bit of background at > http://rustyiron.com/engines/coledrill/index.html > > See ya, Arnie > Thanks for the site, Arnie. Thanks for posting it Rob. The vise was included, I haven't cleaned it up yet, wasn't even sure it was part of the drill. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 11:21:00 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4137648C.5000401@imc-group.com> Bob, After looking at a few pictures of your engine it is going to be a tough decision on leaving it "as is" or repainting. What do you guys think about touching up a little paint to "improve the look". We've got a fellow in our club that is a master at this. He will mix up a little "faded" paint, spray the areas in need of help, and later skuff it with scotch brite to dull the paint and to expose some of the cast iron under it. This exposed cast rusts and the result is very nice looking. Curt Holland Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Your post has brought up one of the more interesting topics that surfaces >from time to time on the list. I'll intersperse my comments among Curt's. > >On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 2 04:00:09 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" References: <20040902.011049.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000401c49132$793f4b40$6c111bd3@athlon> When all else fails, go back to basics. It IS there, you just missed it last time!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" > Hi Guys, > > Yesterday - I responded to one of Curt's posts and I said that I was > doing something really "stupid" - I just didn't know what it was. > > Figuring I shorted the capacitor somehow, I took the Briggs flywheel off > and started > poking around again. After disconnecting the capacitor from the points I > figured it was okay. > > While having the ohm meter at hand I (for some reason) decided to check > the points with the ohm meter. NOTHING ! - Huh ? - Yep, - NOTHING !!! > > Wait a minute ! What's wrong here. I set them at .020. Someone told me > the points setting for all Briggs is .020. Even the manual says .020. > > Looking closer with my OTHER BLIND EYE, I discovered what the ohm meter > was telling me - - - MY POINTS AREN'T CLOSING !!! > > After setting them - again (with both blind eyes ) This time so they > close - and putting everything back together - again - I now had spark. > WELL, I'LL BE !!! > > Yep - It's running again !!! > I told you I was doing something really "stupid". From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 2 03:52:52 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:52:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <000301c49132$78ba8ae0$6c111bd3@athlon> Hey Bob, you are the only one who can decide what YOUR engine looks like. There are as many different views as there are engine nuts!! So, do YOUR thing with it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Hey, pretty quiet out there!!! Now that I've got this Economy running I'm wondering which way to go with her. Is it better to clean & paint or leave her all original???? From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Sep 2 08:05:17 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:05:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> arnie, ref-> http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf < what engine is getting a hole drilled in the hopper? page 3- lower RH pic. is it on a well drilling rig or ??? marv in minn ( i have both the vise and drill :-)) > Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. > Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that > show some pretty inventive setups for using one. > http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf > From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu Sep 2 06:14:36 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:14:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2hp Sattely Rocker Arm Message-ID: <001701c490ee$cc171ee0$cccc940c@mcness.com> Jeff, My nephew has a Sattely engine like you describe but I don't know if the plug is in the front or side. If it's the one you need, I'll have him send you a photo via email. Regards, Joe From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 2 17:36:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:36:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <05bd01c4914e$0f284330$0400a8c0@Dave> > > As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a > > good looker or a trophy gal? > Or as Jim & Dolly would say "totty or slapper." 8-)) > See ya, Arnie The problem with MANY in our hobby is that they think it's ONE or the OTHER. I choose to have BOTH in (and that can be the SAME engine!) Dave PS, "Run in the rain" indeed. If my engines didn't run in the rain it would ONLY be because they ran out of gasoline and I didn't run out of beer in time to realize that fact! From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu Sep 2 05:57:23 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:57:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Stuff" in the Gas Message-ID: <000e01c490ec$6473aa80$cccc940c@mcness.com> To Leroy and Curt. Been experimenting with adding synthetic two cycle oil or lead replacement to the gas. Both seem to help. I have a 2hp Bullseye with the intake valve hidden in a cage. Can't oil it from the outside without removing a nut (not the one running the engine). If I don't put something in the oil, it sticks tight overnight. I'm looking for a sure fire solution if someone has it. I still oil the igniters ever hour or so while the engines are running. It was great to meet you guys at Portland. Leroy, the Christensen engine was sold by the time I found it - thanks for the tip though. Joe From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 2 18:32:47 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:32:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409030132.i831Wsa6034755@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > has an engine with faded original paint, striping, decal, etc. and they > sandblast that to do a cosmetic restoration. Philosophically, I hear what you're saying and agree wholeheartedly. > Gunk is a great de-greaser. On this point, I must stand up and yell, "Bollocks! Fie on Gunk!" As you will recall, Hendrik, our Lorenz, has a fair amount of original red paint and is quite handsome. When he arrived in our driveway, he still had a lot of grease and animal hair covering him. If you've heard this before, just hit "delete" now. After a little gentle scraping, I hosed Hendrik down with Gunk. I came back in a little while and rubbed my finger on his paint to see how the Gunk was coming along. I about soiled my britches when my finger came back with paint on it!!!! I immediately got the hose and washed off the Gunk. If I "almost" soiled my britches before, I filled them to the waistline when I saw that the lovely red paint and turned PINK. Luckily, patting dry with a soft cloth and a gentle massage with warm linseed oil brought back the color to Hendrik's paint. The whole episode probably knocked five years off my life, and I'm damned lucky that the damage was not permanent. Gunk is fine for your 1977 Ford Pinto with a leaking rocker arm cover gasket, but keep it away from anything of value. That's just my opinion... Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 2 18:35:30 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:35:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4137CA62.1060305@scrtc.com> Marv, Thats probably about a 6 or 8 HP Bull Dog engine. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >arnie, >ref-> http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf < > >what engine is getting a hole drilled in the hopper? >page 3- lower RH pic. >is it on a well drilling rig or ??? > >marv in minn >( i have both the vise and drill :-)) > > > > >>Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. >>Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that >>show some pretty inventive setups for using one. >>http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 2 18:41:24 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:41:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040902.215534.784.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, Yep - When all else fails - Ga back to basics. Now I've got BOTH of the "Y"s running. Hard to believe - - - I couldn't see the points weren't closing. Maybe I need better lighting ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 2 18:58:05 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:58:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oil or paint Message-ID: <20040902.215811.784.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Bob, As I said leave it for a while. I really like Arnie's idea of cleaning it with Kero & Oil. He has some nice "working" engines. Later - You can always "Dress her up" - JMO Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Sep 2 19:11:43 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:11:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oil or paint References: <20040902.215811.784.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001301c4915b$5b9724e0$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Yes Arnie, that seems to be such a wonderful secret blend of products. Where o where could you have discovered such a potent family treasure of ingredients????? Hmmmmmmmmm, it sounds so familiar, yet I just can't place it. Hmmmmmmm??? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Oil or paint > Hey Bob, > > As I said leave it for a while. > I really like Arnie's idea of cleaning it with Kero & Oil. > He has some nice "working" engines. > > Later - You can always "Dress her up" - > > JMO > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 2 20:59:46 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:59:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> <05bd01c4914e$0f284330$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <003701c4916a$74442380$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Here is one of my favorites as a new member of this hobby. FM all greasy and running something. If it's all rusted up with nothing to save there is no loss. If it has something to save, decals, original paint, etc. I'll go with cleaning it and a little oil on the rust. http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays/Cd26.html Totty or a slapper don't matter. If you don't run it why bother. Mr. Maytag was once clean and shiny but seems running an engine will dirty them a bit. The great big smile when others see it running it what counts. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) > > > As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a > > > good looker or a trophy gal? > > Or as Jim & Dolly would say "totty or slapper." 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > The problem with MANY in our hobby is that they think it's ONE or the OTHER. > I choose to have BOTH in (and that can be the SAME engine!) > Dave > PS, "Run in the rain" indeed. If my engines didn't run in the rain it would > ONLY be because they ran out of gasoline and I didn't run out of beer in > time to realize that fact! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 2 21:03:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:03:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <003d01c4916b$001f8390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Luke, Once again great pictures, but not near enough of them. Those steam tractors are something to see. Saw them at the Bird City show and WOW. Hope you have more to post soon. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures > I have completed a small page with a few pictures I took this year at the > Buckley, Michigan show. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html > > Hope you enjoy looking at them. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 2 21:44:17 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:44:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 Message-ID: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in the pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not interested in. The five categories are: Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy I am tired and I am going to bed, I hope you enjoy the pictures. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 2 22:09:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:09:23 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 Message-ID: <009701c49174$2e0cc840$240110ac@PaulMaples> Let's try this again: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in the pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not interested in. The five categories are: Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW I am tired and I am going to bed, I hope you enjoy the pictures. Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 22:40:35 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Marv, What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am curious to know how well they work. They look a little primitive, but then again so does the cole drill, and I know that it works fantastic. I used mine again this year before our show in Baraboo. When they cut the keyway in the crankshaft on my corliss engine, they did it on a planer. When using a shaper or a planer, you need to start and finish the cut in "open air". Plunging isn't an option. SO, they started at one end of the shaft and cut the keyway about 4 feet long, right through the section of shaft that runs in the outboard bearing. Since a journal with a keyseat 3/8" deep, an inch wide and 16 inches long would tend to be a little rough on the babbit; they made up a filler strip and put it in the keyway. It was held in by peining it in place. This probably worked good for the first hundred years, but enough moisture had gotten under the filler strip to cause it to stand proud, resulting in a hot bearing. I got the strip loose and then cleaned everything out and put the strip back in. Since I didn't want to pein it and make the journal look like the surface of the moon, I used the cole drill to drill and countersink four 3/8-16 flat head screws through the strip into the crankshaft. I loctited the screws in and then drawfiled the heads off so that I had a nice smooth shaft, again. I could have used a hand held drill, but I can never drill a nice straight hole with those things. My magnetic mount drill wouldn't work because it doesn't like to stick to round surfaces. The cole drill worked great because the narrow base has slots in it and I made a couple of vee blocks on my shaper to fit the base and then clamped the whole thing in place. To drill, countersink, counterbore and tap those four holes only took about 2 1/2 hours, and everything was nice and straight and fit well. I couldn't have gotten a better job if I had done it on a really huge mill. Today I finished a pattern to cast a couple new shoes to fit on the bottom of the cole drill. One will be a long vee block and the other is going to be wider with a series of holes drilled in it to accomodate difficult clamping arrangements. One modification that I suggest is to remove the crank and make a shank for it so you can use an electric drill to turn the quill. If you reach in and use a screwdriver to depress the ratchet pawl, the ratchet should unscrew and you can remove the crank. It is one of those three handed projects, but it only takes a minute. Then you can make up an adapter. I like to use my cordless drill set on the slow speed, operating it with one hand and turning the feed know on the quill with the other. It works great and sometimes you get into a spot where you can't turn the crank full swing and ratcheting it makes a lot more work out of the job. Sorry for rambling, but by now you all know how prone I am to do so..... Later, Joe --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > marv in minn > ( i have both the vise and drill :-)) > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 23:22:27 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040903062227.98858.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> I will offer yet another opinion on the "to paint or not to paint" question. I generally don't like to paint unless I have something to hide under the paint, like great gobs of weld. Since I usually do any cast welding with the torch and old cast iron piston rings (Thanks for the tip, Mr. Prucha!), I can even rust a weld to make it match. Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to keep the moss growing: http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg I have owned a few hundred engines. I used to really like to buy, sell and trade. I learned that money spent on cleaning and painting was usually wasted if I wanted to maximize the return on investment. Not to mention the time involved. The engines that sold the fastest and got the best price were nice clean engines, with little or no paint on them but not rust pitted or broken up; engines that had no great amount of wear on them and were fit to run just as they are. These engines make for fairly easy restoration projects for both the real newbies and for the really old guys who just didn't want to start out with a basket case. Think about it. Most of us want an engine that we need to do something to, we feel the need to improve upon it somehow in order to make it "ours". How many of you can think of engines that either you or your friends bought and then the amount of satisfaction you or they got out of making it "just right"? My experience is that folks will pay almost as much for one in good, clean unrestored shape as they will for a "trailer queen". It takes a lot of work to get an engine prepped for paint, and it takes a lot of money to buy the materials to do it right. If you are thinking of selling the engine to upgrade your collection, the money spent on paint is almost always a loss, not to mention the time. I have trimmed my collection to about 4 dozen engines. Nothing super rare, but no ZD fairbanks or LB's either, all of them are common or "slightly less than common" hopper cooled, pushrod, farm engines. Most of them are sparkplug since the smaller manufacturers up here tended to gravitate towards spark plug ignition. Many of them, like Gilson, Sta-Rite and a few others LATER offered engines with ignitors. Seems backwards from conventional thinking. Anyway, the ones I kept are almost all good unrestored engines that run Ok and aren't welded up. Someday I would like to do the sort of restorations that Dave & Curt do, but right now I don't have the time to do that and do it right. I am one of the many folks who needs to work at improving their painting skills, and I want to do it right when I do it. Nothing sucks like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning up to the fact that I put that sucko paint job on it in the first place might be worse, but just try to get me to admit it! A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a conversation going off-list about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it would make a really cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a Fuller with tree grown up through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great and the first year I took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump for a few weeks and got it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Sep 2 16:18:33 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:18:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <003801c49143$2b6a7550$7f4d330a@PaulLaptop> Missed you JB, I like your marine engines .. now how did I miss dick ..dang Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift > I didn't make it to Portland this year, but my friend Dick Gibbens went and brought me back a gift, a cordless drill. This is a nice one, manufactured by Cole, it's complete, had some surface rust but cleaned up nice, most of the original paint is still on it. I missed a few of these on E-bay, was second highest bidder on a couple, glad to get this one. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 04:34:26 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:34:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time Message-ID: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> It was midnight when I finished the pictures last night and as I am sure most of you have discovered the address for the last three sets of pictures was the same. Here are the correct addresses for each album, sorry for the mix-up. Paul Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW From oldengin at udata.com Fri Sep 3 05:16:44 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <3a57rt$7mda41@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3a57rt$7mda41@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <413860AC.1060705@udata.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Thanks for the site, Arnie. Thanks for posting it Rob. The vise was included, I haven't cleaned it up yet, wasn't even sure it was part of the drill. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > > > > > I also picked one up... Well sort of it is a Superior made in Michigan... I know nothing about it other than it is missing the chuck. Any ideas on it? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Sep 3 05:27:09 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:27:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string Message-ID: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> G'day All Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From art at etsnj.com Fri Sep 3 05:29:26 2004 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:29:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 In-Reply-To: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <000801c491b1$aa258100$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> Thanks for the pictures Art Oswald ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 399 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 3 05:57:13 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am > curious to know how well they work. They look a little primitive, but then > again so does the cole drill, and I know that it works fantastic. It seems to me that the biggest virtue of the Cole vice is that it gives you additional setup options; especially with round workpieces. There's a guy with a nice blacksmith's post drill and a Cole drill / vise that was setup at Baraboo the last two years. He sets up at the end of the section that we're in, but toward the flea market. He may be a local and might let you borrow his for some hands-on experimentation. I'll look and see if I happened to take a pic of his display card. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 3 06:12:19 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <20040903062227.98858.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903062227.98858.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to keep the moss growing: > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > Nothing sucks > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning up to the fact that I put > that sucko paint job on it in the first place might be worse, but just try > to get me to admit it! ROFLMAO!! > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a conversation going off-list > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it would make a really > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a Fuller with tree grown up > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great and the first year I > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump for a few weeks and got > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group effort" article. I can hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. And it sounds like you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy Turner has a neat Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave Rotigel has some cool pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from a collapsed building. Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with the engine in one place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a tree. This could be cool. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Sep 3 06:16:29 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:16:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c491b8$3a3d1c70$94c7fea9@merlin> That,s one hot bit of ass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > G'day All > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > Graham in Oz > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 3 06:18:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:18:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 References: <009701c49174$2e0cc840$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing, Paul!!! RickinMt. > > > Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at > Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in > the > pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and > choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not > interested in. The five categories are: > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW > From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 07:20:59 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:20:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Briggs "Y" Message-ID: As I started reading today's digest I was wondering if we would get an update on the "Y". Just when I was about to give up here is your post, the very last one. About the point gap. Its not your fault you set them at .020" noone said they they had to close at some point (grin). Sounds like you would make a good engineer. We will catch the .020" detail but leave out the obvious "must close" part when working on an engine. Sounds exactly like something I might do. Congrats. >Message: 43 >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:16:03 -0400 >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <20040902.011049.848.0.jlb94 at juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Guys, > >Yesterday - I responded to one of Curt's posts and I said that I was >doing something really "stupid" - I just didn't know what it was. > >Figuring I shorted the capacitor somehow, I took the Briggs flywheel off >and started >poking around again. After disconnecting the capacitor from the points I >figured it was okay. > >While having the ohm meter at hand I (for some reason) decided to check >the points with the ohm meter. NOTHING ! - Huh ? - Yep, - NOTHING !!! > >Wait a minute ! What's wrong here. I set them at .020. Someone told me >the points setting for all Briggs is .020. Even the manual says .020. > >Looking closer with my OTHER BLIND EYE, I discovered what the ohm meter >was telling me - - - MY POINTS AREN'T CLOSING !!! > >After setting them - again (with both blind eyes ) This time so they >close - and putting everything back together - again - I now had spark. >WELL, I'LL BE !!! > >Yep - It's running again !!! >I told you I was doing something really "stupid". >Thanks to all who helped. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 3 07:09:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy Message-ID: <20040903.105032.804.6.jlb94@juno.com> Totty or a slapper don't matter. If you don't run it why bother. Mr. Maytag was once clean and shiny but seems running an engine will dirty them a bit. The great big smile when others see it running it what counts. Words of wisdom, Jeff Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 3 08:01:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:01:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040903.110159.804.10.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Andy, Wednesday - I set the points so they would close. Never gave it a thought that they weren't closing. The lighting isn't that good in the garage and I was using my "blind eye". After getting the Briggs "Y" #1 running I figured I'd use the Briggs "Y" #2 for parts only. Thursday - I took the Briggs "Y" #2 that I stole the electrics from and was getting ready to take the shroud off when I turned the pull start by hand and got a good "hit" through the left side of my body. I didn't think I put it together well enough to make it run - but - I belted it up to an electric motor - and she fired right up and ran pretty good by herself. After that I was able to start her with a rope. So - Now I have 2 Briggs "Y" running - and - looking for a home. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz . From jnyost at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 08:42:21 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie, Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do you make or get stale beer? Jim --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Joe, > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > keep the moss growing: > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > Nothing sucks > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning > up to the fact that I put > > that sucko paint job on it in the first place > might be worse, but just try > > to get me to admit it! > > ROFLMAO!! > > > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a > conversation going off-list > > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it > would make a really > > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a > Fuller with tree grown up > > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great > and the first year I > > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump > for a few weeks and got > > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? > > I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group > effort" article. I can > hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. > And it sounds like > you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy > Turner has a neat > Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave > Rotigel has some cool > pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from > a collapsed building. > Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with > the engine in one > place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a > tree. > > This could be cool. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Sep 3 08:56:29 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:56:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] stale beer and moss References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027101c491ce$9373d930$aaca7043@solar> That moss would die around here. Ive never seen stale beer and I believe its quite rare. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) > Arnie, > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? > > > Jim > > > > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > > > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > > keep the moss growing: > > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > > > > > Nothing sucks > > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning > > up to the fact that I put > > > that sucko paint job on it in the first place > > might be worse, but just try > > > to get me to admit it! > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > > > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a > > conversation going off-list > > > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it > > would make a really > > > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a > > Fuller with tree grown up > > > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great > > and the first year I > > > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump > > for a few weeks and got > > > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? > > > > I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group > > effort" article. I can > > hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. > > And it sounds like > > you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy > > Turner has a neat > > Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave > > Rotigel has some cool > > pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from > > a collapsed building. > > Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with > > the engine in one > > place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a > > tree. > > > > This could be cool. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ===== > Jim and Janna Yost > Utica, Ohio > USA > jnyost at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:23:19 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:23:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time Message-ID: <149.32755967.2e69f477@aol.com> HI Paul; Thanks for the pictures, You done good Ha Ha . Your OLE Tennessee Ridge Runner friend, Bill Miller. From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 09:14:11 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics/Bowsher Mill Message-ID: >>New Shows Added: > >Portland, IN Show - 2004 >Baraboo, WI Show - 2004 >Sycamore, IL Show - 2004 >--1st National Gade Show - Marshalltown, IA - 2004 --Not finished yet-- >Franklin Grove, IL - 2004 >DuPage County Fair - 2004 >Will County, IL 2004 >Paublo Agricultural Museum - Stonington, IL 2004 > > >Here is the link to the show page: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/show_reports.htm > >I feel better now...I wasn't the only one who had to be towed out of the >North end trailer parking area at Portland...I hooked up to the trailer a >few minutes before the rains came Saturday and created Lake >Portland...Pulled Forward ~8 feet and spun out...I did get to wait in the >truck until after the rain stopped and then hiked in to the gate to call >for a tractor (an AC) to pull the Truck and Trailer out. > >Please provide feedback directly (offlist) about download times on the >larger pages (dialup users only as it is fine for those on high speed >access). > >Steve > Steve, nice pics. I saw one in your collection that really caught my eye. In the section of Portland pictures you took a few shots of a Bowsher Burr Mill #4. That is the only one, besides mine, that I have ever seen. I have a #5 model. Does anyone know much about these? What is the partition in the hopper for? What size engine is needed to run it? What do you grind with it? _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Sep 3 10:48:33 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:48:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cole Drill Message-ID: <74.41216bbc.2e6a0871@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/04 10:42:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com writes: What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am curious to know how well they work. Joe, I have a Cole vise. It operates similar to an old blacksmith post vise. I don't like it because the vise jaws work on an angle to each other as you open and close the jaws. On a machinist type vise, the jaws are aways parallel to each other. On the Cole vise, the ability to rotate it about it's operating screw axis is nice feature. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Sep 3 10:55:14 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:55:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics/Bowsher Mill References: Message-ID: <001f01c491df$2bfaae80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Andy, This is most likely a feed mill meant to grind ear corn, cob and all. It will also grind grain by itself, though not as fine as a regular grain mill. The partitions might be to enable portioning of different grains mixed in? My guess is a 6 horse engine would run one of these. Most Bowsher mills I have seen are the older sweep driven mills. Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC christison at coastalnet.com http://www.oldiron-nut.com http://www.syrupmakers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics/Bowsher Mill > Steve, nice pics. I saw one in your collection that really caught my eye. > In the section of Portland pictures you took a few shots of a Bowsher Burr > Mill #4. That is the only one, besides mine, that I have ever seen. I have > a #5 model. Does anyone know much about these? What is the partition in > the hopper for? What size engine is needed to run it? What do you grind > with it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 3 13:28:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Jim, The only time I've seen stale beer was leftovers after everyone at the party passed out and didn't wake till after noon... Must be a Cheesehead thing... See ya, Arnie On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, James Yost wrote: > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 14:01:36 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:01:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c491f9$33cd6700$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> the technical term for that is ......wardrobe failure been happening a lot on live teevee lately . I hear . From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 3 14:50:56 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:50:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Ruston and Hornsby YE5 Stationary Engine with 35kW Generator Message-ID: <55A9CA1A-FDF3-11D8-A822-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I see a lot of you already got this message, but for anyone else who might be interested: > I am writing to you as someone who probably has an interest > in?stationary engines. This item has just been listed by me on > ebay.co.uk. Please take a look and bid if it is of interest to you, or > if not I would be grateful if you could pass details to any of your > old engine contacts who may be interested. > ? > Title:??? ??? Ruston and Hornsby YE5 Stationary Engine 35kW Generator > Item#:??????2267637750. > URL:??? ??? > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2267637750 > ? > Regards. > Ebay member: krop46 > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 3 15:13:10 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:13:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string In-Reply-To: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <711AC289-FDF6-11D8-A822-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Definitely better than the last notorious "wardrobe malfunction." On Sep 3, 2004, at 8:27 AM, Graham Harris wrote: > G'day All > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > Graham in Oz John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 3 15:16:07 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:16:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? I was wondering the same. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 17:39:37 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <149.32755967.2e69f477@aol.com> Message-ID: <008601c49217$a8e639e0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Bill was you able to open all five albums? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > HI Paul; > > Thanks for the pictures, You done good Ha Ha . > > Your OLE Tennessee Ridge Runner friend, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 17:50:59 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:50:59 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time Message-ID: <00eb01c49219$3f380490$240110ac@PaulMaples> Folks if someone wants to post these pictures on Smokestak for the those folks to see go ahead, I would but I do not know how to post five different URL addresses. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > It was midnight when I finished the pictures last night and as I am sure > most of you have discovered the address for the last three sets of > pictures was the same. Here are the correct addresses for each album, > sorry for the mix-up. > > Paul > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 18:19:32 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:19:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c4921d$3c321ac0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Stale beer is easy guys. I'll bet many of you have done it. You're in the workshop and you set a beer down because something interrupted you. You set the beer down on the nearest flat surface. You come back to the workshop knowing you have a beer there, but you can't find it. You look over the entire workshop and it is not there. You retrieve another from the fridge and go on with your work and keep a close eye on the new beer. Several days later you find a half full beer in the workshop on a flat surface. They like to hide behind shop supplies such as cans of spray paint while they go stale. Once they have gone stale, they will come out of hiding for you to find. If you want or need stale beer for any reason keep up your old habits. If not, set them down on the workbench next to the vice where they belong. A good vice will keep an eye on your beer. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) > Arnie, > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? > > > Jim > > > > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > > > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > > keep the moss growing: > > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > > > > > Nothing sucks > > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning > > up to the fact that I put > > > that sucko paint job on it in the first place > > might be worse, but just try > > > to get me to admit it! > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > > > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a > > conversation going off-list > > > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it > > would make a really > > > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a > > Fuller with tree grown up > > > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great > > and the first year I > > > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump > > for a few weeks and got > > > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? > > > > I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group > > effort" article. I can > > hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. > > And it sounds like > > you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy > > Turner has a neat > > Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave > > Rotigel has some cool > > pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from > > a collapsed building. > > Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with > > the engine in one > > place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a > > tree. > > > > This could be cool. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ===== > Jim and Janna Yost > Utica, Ohio > USA > jnyost at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 18:32:29 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:32:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New engine guy Message-ID: <003401c4921f$0b8762c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Got an e-mail tonight that made my day. He only has one engine so far, but we know how that works. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi There, My name is Deon Taljaard residing in Johannesburg,South Africa. I must compliment you on a wonderful and educational site. I can appreciate all the time one had to spent in getting it going and to keep up to date with new information. I am really into Live Steam and in my searching the web found your site. I have spent more time than need be, and ended up looking for a engine to buy. I found a 3.5 HP Lister CS and all of a sudden all my spare time got a new meaning-Thank you! I must admit I have not a clue of what I am looking at,but willing to learn. Thanks Deon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'll send him info on the lists and point him to a couple sites that might help him out. Special thanks to Jim for his free web space. None of this would have happened without it. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Sep 3 21:45:24 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:45:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cole Drill & Vise pictures In-Reply-To: <74.41216bbc.2e6a0871@aol.com> References: <74.41216bbc.2e6a0871@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040903212526.031e95b0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> For those not familiar with the Cole drill and/or vise take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/colevise/ Taking a look at the factory literature on Rob's site I suspect the company didn't really expect the vise to be used for precision machine work. Regards, Larry >Joe, >I have a Cole vise. It operates similar to an old blacksmith post vise. I >don't like it because the vise jaws work on an angle to each other as you >open >and close the jaws. On a machinist type vise, the jaws are aways parallel to >each other. On the Cole vise, the ability to rotate it about it's operating >screw axis is nice feature. > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 3 15:23:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:23:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson tit!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > G'day All > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > Graham in Oz From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Sep 4 03:41:44 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:41:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> <007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Lets keep it clean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson tit!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Harris" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > > > > G'day All > > > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > > > Graham in Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:44:35 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:44:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <12e.4ae88519.2e6b20c3@aol.com> In a message dated 9/3/2004 9:14:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: If you want or need stale beer for any reason keep up your old habits. If not, set them down on the workbench next to the vice where they belong. A good vice will keep an eye on your beer Their is absolutely worse than 5 or 6 nearly full cans of beer with cigarett buts and ashes in'em found in the morning after a poker game. That is stale beer. Skip From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 4 07:08:51 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:08:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c49288$b4c910e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > > you make or get stale beer? > I was wondering the same. > Have people over for a rib/shoot . Collect next morning before it gels From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Sep 4 07:09:07 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:09:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <00eb01c49219$3f380490$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005001c49288$c127b8f0$94c7fea9@merlin> G,day Paul thanks for the pic,s Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Fw: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > Folks if someone wants to post these pictures on Smokestak for the those > folks to see go ahead, I would but I do not know how to post five different > URL addresses. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:34 AM > Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > > > > It was midnight when I finished the pictures last night and as I am sure > > most of you have discovered the address for the last three sets of > > pictures was the same. Here are the correct addresses for each album, > > sorry for the mix-up. > > > > Paul > > > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi > > > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 4 11:06:20 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string In-Reply-To: <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> <007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hell Ron, I'd pay good money to wash her cute little buns! Damn straight I'd keep 'em clean!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Lets keep it clean. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > > I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson > > tit!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 4 12:25:53 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: Hi Folks, Yesterday was full of hope and optimism. I rushed through the paperwork to clear customs and arrange pick-up of the latest in the old iron shipments from England. This was my Tulip-Top Bamford, a lovely Lorenz for Curt Andree from Nevill Beaty, and a Lister CS for Scott Harvey also from Nevill Beaty. We had talked extensively about this shipment at Baraboo and at Portland and EVERONE was VERY excited. Things started out well, yesterday we loaded up the crates at the freight depot and dropped the trailer off at Dave's. He would be coming over to my place early Saturday (today) to unload. Dave arrives and backs up to the shed... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg The first crate unloaded was my Bamford. Smooth as silk. No problems. Just like we've always done. Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be Curt calling...... Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-094F.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg For what it's worth, Scott Harvey's Lister CS was also unloaded without a hitch. What a black day....... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 4 12:48:07 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <007201c492b8$1a083600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg Ive caught squirrels that way before . needs a string From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 4 13:15:38 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <00a901c492bb$f1ddc880$0400a8c0@Dave> > Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be > Curt calling......> > See ya, Arnie Curt, I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was simply weak! Had we not killed those four six packs prior to attempting to unload your Lorenz I don't think we would have attempted to do it in that way. Both Arnie and I agreed to that just after it happened. In any event, if Dolly and Jim can locate another cylinder and carb the engine should be (almost) OK! Sorry, but the good part is that it's now on US soil! Dave From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Sep 4 13:31:36 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:31:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: <8c.141efc11.2e6b8028@aol.com> Hi Dave and Arnie (and, Curt, too), It is unfortunate indeed that such an accident would occur. I do hope that both of you are not injured, or, if you are, Curt's homeowner's insurance will cover your medical expenses. The remnants of the Lorenz may have some salvage value but in any case will need to be cleaned up. I should like to offer my services in hauling away the debris so that you two don't have to be reminded of the tragedy as I know it hurts you to even think about it. Regards, Ron Carroll Poverty Ridge Engine Shed Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 9/4/2004 3:20:02 PM Central Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > Curt, > I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I > knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was > simply weak! Had we not killed those four six packs prior to attempting to > unload your Lorenz I don't think we would have attempted to do it in that > way. Both Arnie and I agreed to that just after it happened. In any event, > if Dolly and Jim can locate another cylinder and carb the engine should be > (almost) OK! Sorry, but the good part is that it's now on US soil! > Dave > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Sep 4 14:06:25 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:06:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <413A2E51.9B46BBC7@insulate.co.uk> Hi Paul Thanks for going to the trouble of posting all those pictures. We really enjoyed looking at them all last night. I won't say it was just like being there, but at least it gave us a good insight into what we missed this year! Dolly and Jim paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Sep 4 14:05:27 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:05:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <00a901c492bb$f1ddc880$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000f01c492c2$e93b39e0$1486a5d8@mycomputer> Dave & Arnie ; Next time your in Baraboo I will furnish you guys with a couple of the Wis. beer holding hats then you can use both hands to handle the unloading tasks and swig Ole Mil and that other stuff that Arnie drinks , I also learned long ago that if you put the empties on the ground in the right place it will cushion the falls and at the same time save you feet the pain of stomping most of the cans :-))) Rex > > I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I > knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was > simply weak! From SmithEngines at aol.com Sat Sep 4 14:09:47 2004 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:09:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: Hello ALL LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? Mike Smith Shreve, Oh. From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Sep 4 14:23:41 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:23:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <001301c492c5$76af2960$0300a8c0@paul> Well I notice the lid to box on side was slid back and fasten in a very straight aligned fashion .. I am waiting for further details ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > > Hello ALL > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > Mike Smith > Shreve, Oh. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 4 14:33:58 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:33:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <010801c492c6$e399e4b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hello ALL > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > Mike Smith Come on Mike, You don't really think that Arnie and I would joke about a thing like this--do you? Dave From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Sep 4 15:04:19 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:04:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2004 4:37:41 PM Central Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > > Hello ALL > > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > > > Mike Smith > > Come on Mike, You don't really think that Arnie and I would joke about a > thing like this--do you? > Dave Hi Mike and Dave, No one would joke about such a tragedy as described in the photos Arnie posted. I only wish to ease their pain by removing the tangible reminders of the event. Ron From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 4 16:07:19 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:07:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> <413A2E51.9B46BBC7@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <005901c492d3$ee513270$240110ac@PaulMaples> Your welcome Helen. I hope you were able to see all five albums. We sure did miss you and your family this year and we are looking forward to seeing all of you next year. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > Hi Paul > > Thanks for going to the trouble of posting all those pictures. We really > enjoyed looking at them all last night. I won't say it was just like > being > there, but at least it gave us a good insight into what we missed this > year! > > Dolly and Jim > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Sep 4 17:43:59 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:43:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: <001601c492e1$6f436080$14690b42@gnarmstrong> Arne & Dave, I hope the trailer wasn't damaged as that would really be tough on Curt if he has to foot the bill for trailer repairs. Thankfully, you two are so quick on your feet that you escaped without injury as the load shifted. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments >Hi Folks, > >Yesterday was full of hope and optimism. I rushed through the paperwork >to clear customs and arrange pick-up of the latest in the old iron >shipments from England. This was my Tulip-Top Bamford, a lovely Lorenz >for Curt Andree from Nevill Beaty, and a Lister CS for Scott Harvey also >from Nevill Beaty. We had talked extensively about this shipment at >Baraboo and at Portland and EVERONE was VERY excited. > >Things started out well, yesterday we loaded up the crates at the freight >depot and dropped the trailer off at Dave's. He would be coming over to >my place early Saturday (today) to unload. > >Dave arrives and backs up to the shed... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > >The first crate unloaded was my Bamford. Smooth as silk. No problems. >Just like we've always done. > >Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > >I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be >Curt calling...... > >Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-094F.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg > >For what it's worth, Scott Harvey's Lister CS was also unloaded without a >hitch. > >What a black day....... > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 4 20:21:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:21:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com><007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01b001c492f7$66eafc70$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Ron, Looked clean to me!!!!!!!!!!! Dave > Lets keep it clean. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > > > > I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson > tit!!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Harris" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > > > > > > > G'day All > > > > > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > > > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > > > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > > > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > > > > > Graham in Oz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Sep 4 21:17:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:17:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 Message-ID: <000a01c492ff$41868ff0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good reason. I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming all at once. My comments and recommendations below. For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not for the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as Adaware first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. Can't tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will be a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than nothing. You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are never offered a choice. I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't recommend this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need to. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 4 21:16:07 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:16:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string In-Reply-To: <01b001c492f7$66eafc70$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <200409050416.i854GGa6021321@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > > Lets keep it clean. > Hi Ron, Looked clean to me!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave Hey Dave, You can't tell by lookin'. You gotta smell it. From oldengin at udata.com Sun Sep 5 02:07:05 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:07:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413AD739.1030203@udata.com> SmithEngines at aol.com wrote: > Hello ALL > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > Mike Smith > > Now Mike.... Arnie by himself would maybe, just maybe do something like this..... BUT not try and include Dave. After all you can see a scratch in the paint on the trailer if you look at the picture real good. Arnie did you tell Helen bout the swimmin lessons you where offered?????????????????? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sun Sep 5 06:28:08 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:28:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re:Curt's Lorenz - a black day Message-ID: <20040905132809.24595.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Dave and Arnie A very black day. I'm so sorry for Curt and I hope he knuckles you 2 dunderheads good. On the Lorenz's the B.S. lever often snaps with just a slight knock, the c.r.a.p roller though usually survives. Sometimes the K.M.R's shaft could bend, but the water jacket P.W.Y. cock(s) are made of bronze and never are a problem. A 3-LEG PULLER gets the F.I.B. roller off it's shaft easily and the L.I.E.S key will come off with it. Oh, and I think the early serial numbered engines were the 1ST to have the A.P.R.I.L. fitted as standard. So replacing the cylinder will be easy, don't worry. I hope that helps soothe the bruises. Graham in Oz Message: 8 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:15:38 -0400 From: "Dave Rotigel" Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <00a901c492bb$f1ddc880$0400a8c0 at Dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be > Curt calling......> > See ya, Arnie Curt, I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was simply weak! Had we not killed those four six packs prior to attempting to unload your Lorenz I don't think we would have attempted to do it in that way. Both Arnie and I agreed to that just after it happened. In any event, if Dolly and Jim can locate another cylinder and carb the engine should be (almost) OK! Sorry, but the good part is that it's now on US soil! Dave Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Sep 5 07:25:53 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:25:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping. Something like this can happen if every place the crates are unloaded/loaded in to other containers. The last shipment of George Best his DUX was without a crate because now, the US seems only want to import heat treated wood (crates) complete with documents. Cost for an engine like a small Lorenz, of George's DUX about $200-$300!!! what a waste of money..... Anyway seeing this pictures I know how lucky we were when George got the engine home without damage. I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > Hi Folks, > > Yesterday was full of hope and optimism. I rushed through the paperwork > to clear customs and arrange pick-up of the latest in the old iron > shipments from England. This was my Tulip-Top Bamford, a lovely Lorenz > for Curt Andree from Nevill Beaty, and a Lister CS for Scott Harvey also > from Nevill Beaty. We had talked extensively about this shipment at > Baraboo and at Portland and EVERONE was VERY excited. > > Things started out well, yesterday we loaded up the crates at the freight > depot and dropped the trailer off at Dave's. He would be coming over to > my place early Saturday (today) to unload. > > Dave arrives and backs up to the shed... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > > The first crate unloaded was my Bamford. Smooth as silk. No problems. > Just like we've always done. > > Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > > I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be > Curt calling...... > > Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-094F.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg > > For what it's worth, Scott Harvey's Lister CS was also unloaded without a > hitch. > > What a black day....... > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From double-d-66 at prodigy.net Sun Sep 5 04:39:35 2004 From: double-d-66 at prodigy.net (double-d-66 at prodigy.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:39:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <001601c4933d$064cc880$0101a8c0@pavilion> Way to go George on your find, and welcome back to the list . From Dave in PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > > This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 > it isn't all that old. > > So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the > company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. > > Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size > or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. > For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto > has a 1922 date stamped on it. > > I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on > multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number > on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 > intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have > found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll > keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine > more. > > What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? > > George > > Ps... While most of you were away enjoying the Portland show, I rejoined > SEL. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 5 08:50:10 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:50:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <021501c49360$066089b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! > This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping.> > I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry, After CAREFUL examination we (Arnie and I) have determined that ALL the damage to Curt's Lorenz was caused during shipping. It's a relief to hold ourselves NOT responsible for any of the damage to the engine! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 5 09:21:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: Hi Harry, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! > This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping. > Something like this can happen if every place the crates are unloaded/loaded > in to other containers. FWIW, ALL of the English beer that Jim had packed into the crate for me survived!! 8-))) > The last shipment of George Best his DUX was without a crate because now, > the US seems only want to import heat treated wood (crates) complete with > documents. Cost for an engine like a small Lorenz, of George's DUX about > $200-$300!!! what a waste of money..... Interesting... As you can see from the photos, these were just bog standard chip board crates. No fancy papers. Maybe you need to use a different shipper? http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. Curt sez that he's pretty handy with a MIG welder... 8->>> See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Sep 5 13:19:03 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:19:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out Welcome to Cabin Fever! Message-ID: Hi List, Here is a web site that has several pictures of model engines. http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/ Some of them are being auctioned. http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/Info/IFE2004_auction.htm Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 5 13:24:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:24:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing Message-ID: We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, including the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland and the morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, enabling a good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the picture enlarged. We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating during the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the Lists. There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good trip and we had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at Portland especially there was plenty to see! We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main camera performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day because of the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance up the pictures. There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays in connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with interlinking url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at will. Note that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of the new directory, you will have to enter by the following url: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in through this url. If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you browse through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages 9 to 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or non-operating pages. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Sep 5 13:20:54 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:20:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <021501c49360$066089b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00a001c49385$dd67d740$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> That's good to hear Dave;-) Plus I think that the Lorenz took it pretty good right?;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > > This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! > > This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping.> > > I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. > > Harry Terpstra > > Hi Harry, > After CAREFUL examination we (Arnie and I) have determined that ALL the > damage to Curt's Lorenz was caused during shipping. It's a relief to hold > ourselves NOT responsible for any of the damage to the engine! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Sep 5 13:23:37 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:23:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <00a901c49386$3d635fc0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> > Interesting... As you can see from the photos, these were just bog > standard chip board crates. No fancy papers. Maybe you need to use a > different shipper? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > > I don't know Arnie. They told me that it would be my own risk if I had to pay a heat treatment when entering US grounds. Maybe next time we better act stupid and see what happens. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 5 13:51:11 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing & Crossley ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, GREAT job as always!! I have a question for our Crossley experts. This Crossley 1070 has a "modern looking" carby on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4123.htm The seller got it from Oz and has been assured that it was factory issue. Did Crossley do a version of the 1070 in petrol only? Might it have had a carby like the one you see in the pic? That Little Giant is pretty cool!! Don't think I've seen one before. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4131.htm Thanks!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 14:59:30 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:59:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com><4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <009b01c49394$240ea940$7becf504@x8h7l9> I have never worked with igniters, but have an idea to throw out. There is a high temperature plumbers silicone grease that is intended for faucet stems that might have good properties to lubricate the igniter parts. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Curt, > > Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to > lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and > stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil > helps keep it from being so "gummy". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Curt Holland wrote: > > > Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. > > I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a > > Stickney. > > A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating > > electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to > > remove the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving > > electrode from the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but > > rather it is carboned up to the point that it sticks tight if left > > overnight. > > Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting > > procedure now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! > > The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and > > everything glides nicely when clean. > > Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've > > tried plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. > > Any suggestions? > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks, > >> > >> I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here > >> goes. > >> Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > >> Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > >> banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little > >> eccentric > >> but then who isn't? > >> > >> Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon > >> builds > >> up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can > >> trip it > >> by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it > >> doesn't > >> take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with > >> carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter > >> troubles when the igniter is in good condition. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 15:10:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing References: Message-ID: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Peter, Thanks for the great pictures. I love the larger thumbnails. 800 x 600 really should be a thing of the past and the larger thumbnails work great here. I didn't manage to make it through all of the full page pics yet, but will do so soon. Oops, and I've done it many times. Thumbs on pages 7, 8, 17, 18, 19, 28 are not all there. Hit refresh and no difference. I did try a couple blank ones and they link fine. Considering the huge amount of data you put up, I'm surprised it went this well. Labor of love and greatly appreciated. Can't wait for the final version. Portland must be amazing and can't wait to go. Next year, maybe. Priorities. Many years ago I looked down at my yellow arm. Damn I better back off the beers. I'm turning yellow. The little one that had a leaky diaper with yellow poop is my niece and she is getting married next summer. She has already told me, "It won't be a wedding without you uncle Jeff". Wish for a June wedding. I am. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, > including > the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland and > the > morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. > > As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, > enabling a > good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the > picture > enlarged. > > We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating > during > the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the Lists. > > There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good trip > and we > had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at > Portland > especially there was plenty to see! > > We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main camera > performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day > because of > the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance up > the > pictures. > > There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays in > connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) > > The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with > interlinking > url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at will. > Note > that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of the > new > directory, you will have to enter by the following url: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm > > If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in > through > this url. > > If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you > browse > through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages > 9 to > 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. > > Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or > non-operating > pages. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 15:21:48 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:21:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 References: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005d01c49396$bcd6aea0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Thanks for the great layout. You gave a feel of being there with the way you did it. I have yet to get through all of them, but had to laugh at one of the first dinner pictures I pulled up. LOL Dave. Do you sleep with that repaired Maytag also. Try to keep it clean, but some I know sleep with those they take to dinner, and it can be a wife. Anyhow Paul, you done good. I'm sure those that couldn't be there will enjoy. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 > Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at > Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in > the pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and > choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not > interested in. The five categories are: > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > I am tired and I am going to bed, I hope you enjoy the pictures. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 5 15:20:17 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:20:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing References: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Jeff, Did you see any engines? All I could fine is some areoplanes and some old cars--none of which seemed to have anything to do with Portland! I think it's some sort of false advertising! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > Peter, > > Thanks for the great pictures. I love the larger thumbnails. 800 x 600 > really should be a thing of the past and the larger thumbnails work great > here. I didn't manage to make it through all of the full page pics yet, but > will do so soon. > > Oops, and I've done it many times. Thumbs on pages 7, 8, 17, 18, 19, 28 are > not all there. Hit refresh and no difference. I did try a couple blank ones > and they link fine. Considering the huge amount of data you put up, I'm > surprised it went this well. Labor of love and greatly appreciated. Can't > wait for the final version. > > Portland must be amazing and can't wait to go. Next year, maybe. Priorities. > Many years ago I looked down at my yellow arm. Damn I better back off the > beers. I'm turning yellow. The little one that had a leaky diaper with > yellow poop is my niece and she is getting married next summer. She has > already told me, "It won't be a wedding without you uncle Jeff". Wish for a > June wedding. I am. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A Forbes" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:24 PM > Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > > > > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, > > including > > the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland and > > the > > morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. > > > > As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, > > enabling a > > good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the > > picture > > enlarged. > > > > We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating > > during > > the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the Lists. > > > > There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good trip > > and we > > had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at > > Portland > > especially there was plenty to see! > > > > We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main camera > > performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day > > because of > > the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance up > > the > > pictures. > > > > There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays in > > connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) > > > > The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with > > interlinking > > url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at will. > > Note > > that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of the > > new > > directory, you will have to enter by the following url: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm > > > > If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in > > through > > this url. > > > > If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you > > browse > > through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages > > 9 to > > 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. > > > > Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or > > non-operating > > pages. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Engine pages for preservation info: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 5 16:03:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:03:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb><021501c49360$066089b0$0400a8c0@Dave> <00a001c49385$dd67d740$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <026d01c4939c$81668f60$0400a8c0@Dave> > That's good to hear Dave;-) > Plus I think that the Lorenz took it pretty good right?;-) > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry, It's a GREAT feeling to not have to take responsibility for one's actions and to just blame someone else for all the bad things that happen. I think I'm going to like being a democrat! Dave From marvhed at ecenet.com Sun Sep 5 16:09:27 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (marv) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:09:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill References: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009001c4939d$bc074c80$bed63d40@dell14> my vise is not as smooth as a good post vise but it hasn't been used either, no wear. the flat jaws do angle out quit a bit on large work because the pivot distance is short. but as a pipe vise or mounting the drill, it works great!! they are heavy, the postage was more than my bid on e-bay :-(( marv in minn >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill Hi Marv, What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am curious to know how well they work. They look a little primitive, but then again so does the cole drill, and I know that it works fantastic. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 5 16:54:16 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:54:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 References: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> <005d01c49396$bcd6aea0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00c101c493a3$a84a4b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Jeff, glad you enjoyed them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 > Paul, > > Thanks for the great layout. You gave a feel of being there with the way > you did it. I have yet to get through all of them, but had to laugh at one > of the first dinner pictures I pulled up. LOL Dave. Do you sleep with that > repaired Maytag also. Try to keep it clean, but some I know sleep with > those they take to dinner, and it can be a wife. > > Anyhow Paul, you done good. I'm sure those that couldn't be there will > enjoy. > > Regards, > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 16:30:21 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:30:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) Message-ID: http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 18:27:45 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:27:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing References: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <001401c493b0$b7438840$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, I have to keep it short cause their about to back to green flag racing. Yes I did see engines and WOW. I think first page of Portland is page 9, and second picture is a Maytag before you got to it. Peter did a great job as well as Paul in getting these up so quick. The last pages of cars that go fast? Loved it cause back to my race and my boys are doing well. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > Hi Jeff, > Did you see any engines? All I could fine is some areoplanes and some > old cars--none of which seemed to have anything to do with Portland! I > think > it's some sort of false advertising! > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > > >> Peter, >> >> Thanks for the great pictures. I love the larger thumbnails. 800 x 600 >> really should be a thing of the past and the larger thumbnails work great >> here. I didn't manage to make it through all of the full page pics yet, > but >> will do so soon. >> >> Oops, and I've done it many times. Thumbs on pages 7, 8, 17, 18, 19, 28 > are >> not all there. Hit refresh and no difference. I did try a couple blank > ones >> and they link fine. Considering the huge amount of data you put up, I'm >> surprised it went this well. Labor of love and greatly appreciated. Can't >> wait for the final version. >> >> Portland must be amazing and can't wait to go. Next year, maybe. > Priorities. >> Many years ago I looked down at my yellow arm. Damn I better back off the >> beers. I'm turning yellow. The little one that had a leaky diaper with >> yellow poop is my niece and she is getting married next summer. She has >> already told me, "It won't be a wedding without you uncle Jeff". Wish for > a >> June wedding. I am. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter A Forbes" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:24 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing >> >> >> > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, >> > including >> > the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland > and >> > the >> > morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. >> > >> > As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, >> > enabling a >> > good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the >> > picture >> > enlarged. >> > >> > We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating >> > during >> > the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the > Lists. >> > >> > There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good > trip >> > and we >> > had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at >> > Portland >> > especially there was plenty to see! >> > >> > We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main >> > camera >> > performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day >> > because of >> > the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance > up >> > the >> > pictures. >> > >> > There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays >> > in >> > connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) >> > >> > The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with >> > interlinking >> > url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at > will. >> > Note >> > that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of >> > the >> > new >> > directory, you will have to enter by the following url: >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm >> > >> > If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in >> > through >> > this url. >> > >> > If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as > you >> > browse >> > through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are > pages >> > 9 to >> > 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. >> > >> > Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or >> > non-operating >> > pages. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > -- >> > Peter & Rita Forbes >> > diesel at easynet.co.uk >> > Engine pages for preservation info: >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 5 18:26:42 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:26:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) References: Message-ID: <013601c493b0$9181b320$240110ac@PaulMaples> Nice pictures Glenn, thanks for posting them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Sep 5 19:12:39 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:12:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A8C4514-FFAA-11D8-B72F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 5 21:36:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:36:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ? Pictures Message-ID: <20040906.003629.784.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hey - Paul Waugh - Steve Barr - Luke Tonneberger - Andy Glines - Paul Maples. Man - - - I am amazed at all the pictures you guys have put up on all the different shows. I've been trying to look at some of them. It will take hours - If not days - to look at them all. You guys are the greatest. It must take hours of your time to put so many pics up. Thanks a bunch !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 22:07:50 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:07:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: <3A8C4514-FFAA-11D8-B72F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. Skip has enough brawn to spin the Christensen to start it but Not me. Arthur came down one day and he and I started it ok but we worked at it. The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) I asked the group if anyone out in Portland would help me start it with another engine but so far, I haven't heard anyone jump on the oportunity so I am thinking of mounting a NEW 9HP with a rubber wheel just like the oil field engines (I need it for 2 of those anyway). Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sun Sep 5 22:40:26 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:40:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out Welcome to Cabin Fever! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413BF84A.60005@mlode.com> Don't forget this year's show is coming up again October 23 & 24 in Visalia. -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: >Hi List, >Here is a web site that has several pictures of model engines. >http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/ >Some of them are being auctioned. >http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/Info/IFE2004_auction.htm > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 5 23:14:37 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:14:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing In-Reply-To: <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:20:17 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Jeff, > Did you see any engines? All I could fine is some areoplanes and some >old cars--none of which seemed to have anything to do with Portland! I think >it's some sort of false advertising! > Dave There's a guy with red braces in one of them...:-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 5 23:24:06 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:24:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - missing links Message-ID: After a few comments from the List guys about missing links, we found that thumbnails 4252 to 4304 were AWOL. We did have FTP problems yesterday with Oldengine.org with broken connections in the middle of transfers etc., and that is still a problem early today for some reason. Anyway, I have resent the whole 604 thumbnails again to try and ensure that they are all present and correct. For those that can't find the engine pictures, pages 9 to 28 are the Portland pages. I did mention that yesterday but it must have got overlooked:- "If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you browse through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages 9 to 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34" Page 28 does have some spare positions for any last-minute additions, so there will be blanks at the bottom of the page, and Page 34 has 2 blank positions. If we continue to have problems with connections at Oldengine.org I'll put up the whole set on another site until Jim gets a chance to have a look into the problem. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 5 04:27:55 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:27:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409060914.i869EVa6085459@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Oh No! Please tell me no one spilt their beer ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 6 03:04:51 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:04:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Message-ID: <200409061004.i86A4ka6005235@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> I went for a trip on the weekend to attend the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville for the first time. I had to work Friday night so I left around 2.30am Saturday morning in the new tow vehicle (Nissan Navara Turbo-Diesel). I arrived five hours later after an uneventful trip and unloaded the Austral and the 1hp R&V. It was a much bigger rally than I expected with a lot of nice engines, tractors, steam engines, steam boats, vintage cars, trucks etc. There were various Tangyes, Hornsbys, Blackstones, IHC engines, Aussie made engines, Fairbanks-Morses, a couple of R&Vs (it keeps Peter Lowe happy), and lots of others. I caught up with a lot of engine friends and there was a good turn out of list members. It was great to catch up with Peter and Brad as I seldom get to see the northerners ;) I would guess that around 300 people would have been at the Saturday night dinner at the Macksville RSL and the meal was very good. Peter won a trophy for his R&V and one for Kaye's Maytag. I think the R&V trophy was for worlds slowest paint job ;) Since I had been up since 1.30am I had no trouble getting to sleep that night. Sunday was another great day with lots of events in the arena and a flyover of antique aircraft. I shut the engines down after lunch and was loaded and on the road by 2pm. The trip home was a lot more interesting than the trip up there. I drove into a large storm which at first was torrential rain and then became drizzle, fog and 8 inches of ice on the ground from the hail storm I had just missed. Lots of cars were slipping and sliding (sometimes off the road) but the big Nissan handled the conditions well. I eventually got home and put the trailer away leaving the car out the front. More hail arrived so I was madly throwing any soft covers I could find over the Nissan as it is only a week old! My favourite engine at the rally would have to be the 28hp Tangye Portable which was just enormous and ran like a clock. My other favourite would be the Waterous self propelled portable steam engine. I will not be missing the Rusty Iron rally next year. Almost as good as a National Rally and a lot more relaxed. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 6 03:22:03 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:22:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster Message-ID: <00ce01c493fb$5e6ea380$440d1bd3@athlon> Steve, mate, mail to you is being returned. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Sep 6 08:54:18 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:54:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040906075244.023394d8@mail.keyconn.net> Glenn Them are some good looking engines. Which one has the snake in it[grins] R Fink PA At 07:30 PM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Sep 6 05:07:46 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:07:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) References: Message-ID: <005801c4940a$1f8cc700$0300a8c0@paul> Glen long time no talk, darn nice engines Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > > Skip has enough brawn to spin the Christensen to start it but Not me. > Arthur came down one day and he and I started it ok but we worked > at it. > > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > > I asked the group if anyone out in Portland would help me start it with > another engine but so far, I haven't heard anyone jump on the oportunity > so I am thinking of mounting a NEW 9HP with a rubber wheel just like > the oil field engines (I need it for 2 of those anyway). > > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this > weekend :) > > > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 6 05:28:15 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:28:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000501c4940c$ff1d86a0$8ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Sep 6 05:53:48 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster References: <00ce01c493fb$5e6ea380$440d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006e01c49410$8dc1ea60$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Reg, contact me off list so that I may assist you. mr at carolina.rr.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:22 AM Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster > Steve, mate, mail to you is being returned. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 06:00:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out HOW to start it. I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start 'em! 16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor 15 hp Domestic - push button start 15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the gals at Portland have even done it. Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough charge to fire. If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell 'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > John Culp From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 06:01:22 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <200409060914.i869EVa6085459@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409060914.i869EVa6085459@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Nothing beyond normal spillage.... BTW ALL of the English beer in the crate survived. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Oh No! > Please tell me no one spilt their beer ;) From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Sep 6 06:01:19 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:01:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster In-Reply-To: <006e01c49410$8dc1ea60$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <00ce01c493fb$5e6ea380$440d1bd3@athlon> <006e01c49410$8dc1ea60$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1094475679.413c5f9f7d428@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Mike Royster : > Reg, contact me off list so that I may assist you. > > mr at carolina.rr.com > > Mike > > Steve, mate, mail to you is being returned. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. Err... Steve, how can Reggie contact you if mail to you is being returned?? or have you emptied your mail box now? :-)) Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Sep 6 07:13:19 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:13:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Glenn, > >On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > >> Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > >No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out >HOW to start it. > >I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But >he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start >'em! > >16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor >15 hp Domestic - push button start >15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the >gals at Portland have even done it. > >Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to >start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted >and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough >charge to fire. > >If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to >something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell >'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll >wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. > >See ya, Arnie Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will roll over and fire without a murmur? Not specifically aimed at Glenn's problem or Dave's ease of starting his own engines which I have seen first-hand at Portland this year, but how many times do you see comments about an engine being a right pig to start, but then as Arnie says, they would never have sold if they were that way when new. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 07:25:55 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> References: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Prepair Ltd wrote: > Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters > with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will > roll over and fire without a murmur? A good case in point is Dave's Famous. The former owner (a member of our club) considered the engine to be a hard-starting piece-of-shit. During the mechanical phase of the restoration, Dave discovered that the timing gears were a couple of teeth out of proper position. When he corrected that the engine was vastly easier to start. Maybe Glenn needs to consult with a Christianson guru like Joe Maurer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 6 09:42:32 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:42:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair Message-ID: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> For your holiday viewing pleasure: http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 10:06:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair In-Reply-To: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Hi Rob, WOW!! Way cool show and really interesting engines!! How far from you is the Amador County Fair? Might be worth a visit to the left coast! Do they actually do the mining demos that you describe? Can you access the mine itself? See ya, Arnie PS - Did you get any contact info on "Goatgirl"? She's a real cuteie!! On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Rob Skinner wrote: > For your holiday viewing pleasure: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 6 11:59:47 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:59:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409061859.i86Ixla6053434@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Do they actually do the mining demos that you describe? Can > you access the mine itself? Of course the equipment works! But... the mine isn't really there. The display is on the fairgrounds, so the hole had to be moved in from elsewhere. The only hole that the guys could afford wasn't a real mining hole, it was just a general purpose hole. The headframe is new construction, but the equipment is all original. Gold bearing ore is hauled in from elsewhere for the demonstrations. > PS - Did you get any contact info on "Goatgirl"? She's a > real cuteie!! Nah, she's out of my league. I just posted the picture as more proof that the hottest chicks are to be found west of the Colorado. Rob From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 6 13:03:46 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:03:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001701c4944c$9e1fdc50$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Some very good engines Rob, that Samson looks great, I think it would fit in my engine shed :o) Thanks for sharing. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Rob Skinner wrote: > For your holiday viewing pleasure: > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 > From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 08:01:41 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:01:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> Message-ID: This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression but I am WEAK. With my friend, we started it ok but not by myself. I've seen Dave's engines start with a push of a button and haven't tried that on this 18HP. It might work! I tried several times on my 9HP without success. That starts easily enough by bouncing back into compression. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Prepair Ltd Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:13 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Glenn, > >On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > >> Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > >No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out >HOW to start it. > >I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But >he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start >'em! > >16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor >15 hp Domestic - push button start >15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the >gals at Portland have even done it. > >Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to >start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted >and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough >charge to fire. > >If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to >something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell >'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll >wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. > >See ya, Arnie Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will roll over and fire without a murmur? Not specifically aimed at Glenn's problem or Dave's ease of starting his own engines which I have seen first-hand at Portland this year, but how many times do you see comments about an engine being a right pig to start, but then as Arnie says, they would never have sold if they were that way when new. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 14:20:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glenn, I think I see your problem... Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the optimum point to close the valve or compression release. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough > >charge to fire. From dcox at triad.rr.com Mon Sep 6 14:53:39 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:53:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001301c4945b$f8615680$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Thanks for the look at some very fine engines. Just the thing for a rainy NC afternoon. Seems like I have seen the very pretty GoatGirl before :>) Thanks Dallas > For your holiday viewing pleasure: > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 6 16:00:58 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair In-Reply-To: <001301c4945b$f8615680$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <001301c4945b$f8615680$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <9D6F08D4-0058-11D9-889F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Seems like I have seen the very pretty GoatGirl > before :>) Yep! Don't mind seeing her again anytime, either! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 6 16:24:03 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:24:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] another test Message-ID: <004001c49468$9c6179c0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 6 16:40:31 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:40:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container Message-ID: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 6 16:46:36 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 01:46:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] another test References: <004001c49468$9c6179c0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000701c4946b$bf6ed5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Peter, for your records all your tests come through loud and clear at this side of the big pond. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 6 16:52:10 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:52:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000801c4946c$8685a1e0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, I don't think this will help much but see http://www.vintageandclassicreproductions.com/UNI-024.jpg Dave Croft From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Sep 6 17:29:51 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:29:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 In-Reply-To: <000a01c492ff$41868ff0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's >>own.<< Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products and I'm still checking some other versions. It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate versions - the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. Geesh! You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work right. The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I could drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other software, it simply opens up almost all ports. I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd party firewall. I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in process we are told. **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The OS will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did in the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and improvement!! After I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my job (part of my new job) It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, it partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall in Windows. There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the point the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be resolved but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a working computer. I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. Bill (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 Hello all, If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good reason. I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming all at once. My comments and recommendations below. For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not for the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as Adaware first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. Can't tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will be a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than nothing. You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are never offered a choice. I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't recommend this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need to. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 6 17:35:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:35:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 References: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <03a601c49472$84d5c040$0400a8c0@Dave> Could we all please put OT in the subject when sending this sort of stuff to the S ENGINE L? Thanks! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > >>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's > >>own.<< > > Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products > and I'm still checking some other versions. > It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate versions - > the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. > Geesh! > You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work > right. > The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I could > drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other software, > it simply opens up almost all ports. > I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd party > firewall. > > I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in > process we are told. > > **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url > spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad > as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if > you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The OS > will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more > getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did in > the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and > improvement!! After > > I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my job > (part of my new job) > It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it > broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, it > partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall > in Windows. > There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the point > the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be resolved > but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! > Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a > working computer. > > I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. > > Bill > (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > > > Hello all, > > If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on > topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good > reason. > > I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming > all at once. My comments and recommendations below. > > For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not for > the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as Adaware > first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. > > The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. Can't > tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It > will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one > or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. > You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will be > a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than > nothing. > > You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? > Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most > users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. > > If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your > settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save > them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are never > offered a choice. > > I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. > Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't recommend > this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need to. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sat Sep 4 21:10:58 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:10:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <010801c492c6$e399e4b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: What actually happenedt to the engine? If someone wrote it, I missed it. Glenn Wilson From asouth at strato.net Mon Sep 6 18:38:35 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:38:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Frances update 9-6-04 9:21 EST Message-ID: <00c601c4947b$646fbff0$8922d7cc@Arthur> Hello folks, Some of you receiving this message have already been visited by Hurricane Frances, some of you are still awaiting her arrival, and some of you are lucky and didn't have to worry about her at all. Deana and I and all of our local family came through Frances with no more added damage than we already had from Charley three weeks ago. A lot of Gale force winds and less than two inches of rain. I hope all of you who were or will be affected by Frances come through without any damage. I'm ready for this to be over, but here comes Ivan! And we live in Florida because............................ Here's hoping the best of luck to all of you in Frances' path. C'ya, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 19:08:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:08:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 References: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <000e01c4947f$a2d2fbf0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, Thanks for the comments. I respect your opinion and I do know your background. I'll take the beating because I do take care of computers for freinds and family so I need to be prepared for what is coming my way. I don't do it for a fee, but the great big smile and hug makes it all worth it. Would never consider doing for a living. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 >>>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's >>>own.<< > > Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products > and I'm still checking some other versions. > It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate > versions - > the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. > Geesh! > You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work > right. > The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I > could > drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other > software, > it simply opens up almost all ports. > I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd > party > firewall. > > I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in > process we are told. > > **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url > spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad > as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if > you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The > OS > will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more > getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did > in > the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and > improvement!! After > > I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my > job > (part of my new job) > It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it > broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, > it > partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall > in Windows. > There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the > point > the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be > resolved > but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! > Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a > working computer. > > I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. > > Bill > (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > > > Hello all, > > If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on > topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good > reason. > > I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming > all at once. My comments and recommendations below. > > For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not > for > the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as > Adaware > first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. > > The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. > Can't > tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It > will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one > or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. > You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will > be > a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than > nothing. > > You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? > Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most > users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. > > If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your > settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save > them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are > never > offered a choice. > > I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. > Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't > recommend > this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need > to. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 19:28:17 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:28:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 References: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <03a601c49472$84d5c040$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <002701c49482$5603b780$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, Sorry but I think this is on topic and that is the reason for my subject line. Service pack 2 will affect all of us that use Windows XP to communicate on this list, share engine pictures, etc. It is a big deal and that is why I brought it up. Wish I could take a Maytag ax to all of this crap software, but it just don't work that way. All opinions are welcome, and I won't do it again if those on the list think I'm out of line. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > Could we all please put OT in the subject when sending this sort of stuff > to > the S ENGINE L? Thanks! > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > > >> >>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's >> >>own.<< >> >> Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products >> and I'm still checking some other versions. >> It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate > versions - >> the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. >> Geesh! >> You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work >> right. >> The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I > could >> drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other > software, >> it simply opens up almost all ports. >> I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd > party >> firewall. >> >> I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in >> process we are told. >> >> **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url >> spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be >> bad >> as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners >> if >> you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The > OS >> will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more >> getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did > in >> the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and >> improvement!! After >> >> I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my > job >> (part of my new job) >> It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it >> broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, > it >> partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the >> firewall >> in Windows. >> There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the > point >> the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be > resolved >> but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! >> Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a >> working computer. >> >> I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. >> >> Bill >> (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen >> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on >> topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good >> reason. >> >> I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming >> all at once. My comments and recommendations below. >> >> For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not > for >> the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as > Adaware >> first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. >> >> The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. > Can't >> tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. >> It >> will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off >> one >> or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have >> one. >> You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will > be >> a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better >> than >> nothing. >> >> You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? >> Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most >> users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. >> >> If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your >> settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save >> them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are > never >> offered a choice. >> >> I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they >> care. >> Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't > recommend >> this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need > to. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 19:50:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:50:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mr. Maytag Message-ID: <003201c49485$77237470$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Many times I have read on the lists that you can't run a Maytag, until you are six. Neighbor kids came down tonight so I could air up the tires on the bikes. Garrett had a great big smile on his face and opened the fuel valve and lit it. His words: "Papa, I did it all by myself". First time and he is six. Pictures there are none. Don't need em. Couldn't have brought the camera out fast enough. Great big smiles? Oh yes and some short ones introduced to our passion. Wish I could share the smile in my heart when he lit it on his own for the first time. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 07:59:32 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:59:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got a better idea - I'll bring it to Portland in 2005 and you can show me how easy the 1500 lbs of flywheels and clutch pulley turn :) I'll have a little cheater motor on it just in case a problem crops up. Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:26 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Peter, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Prepair Ltd wrote: > Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters > with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will > roll over and fire without a murmur? A good case in point is Dave's Famous. The former owner (a member of our club) considered the engine to be a hard-starting piece-of-shit. During the mechanical phase of the restoration, Dave discovered that the timing gears were a couple of teeth out of proper position. When he corrected that the engine was vastly easier to start. Maybe Glenn needs to consult with a Christianson guru like Joe Maurer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 6 22:40:23 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:40:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 6 23:24:28 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:24:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT XP Service pack 2 In-Reply-To: <002701c49482$5603b780$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200409070624.i876OLa6081367@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Jeff, It is on topic if it relates to engines. Few would have a problem if you just put OT in the header and not 'ON TOPIC' (shouting as well) when there is no way it is on topic. That way people would just be able to delete it if they did not have the time to plow through all the posts. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Dave, Sorry but I think this is on topic and that is the reason for my subject line. Service pack 2 will affect all of us that use Windows XP to communicate on this list, share engine pictures, etc. It is a big deal and that is why I brought it up. Wish I could take a Maytag ax to all of this crap software, but it just don't work that way. All opinions are welcome, and I won't do it again if those on the list think I'm out of line. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 19:16:56 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:16:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: <013601c493b0$9181b320$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: The weird thing is - the Christensen is more green than blue but the picture looks Very blue! Weird. Weird. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) Nice pictures Glenn, thanks for posting them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 16:39:56 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:39:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <026d01c4939c$81668f60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Dave, what really happened to the engine itself? I saw the picture of the box tipped over - - but what damage did the engine sustain? Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 7:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > That's good to hear Dave;-) > Plus I think that the Lorenz took it pretty good right?;-) > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry, It's a GREAT feeling to not have to take responsibility for one's actions and to just blame someone else for all the bad things that happen. I think I'm going to like being a democrat! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 15:13:51 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:13:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, you don't see the problem - it turns HARDER than heck even before you get into compression. You'll see next Aug. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Glenn, I think I see your problem... Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the optimum point to close the valve or compression release. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough > >charge to fire. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Sep 7 03:42:15 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:42:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container In-Reply-To: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040907204124.00b68e40@mail.ncable.com.au> Peter I have 2, both are in average condition but both are also painted or at least have the remains of RED paint on them. Russell At 07:40 AM 7/09/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal >,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 7 04:04:06 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:04:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <006501c494ca$66825a60$f309a4cb@km> G'Day Peter . RED, I have one in the shed Kerry From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 7 04:10:33 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:10:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002d01c494cb$4f697600$ada226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks John, what a great pic .....I reckon i will go for yellow with red lettering . ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 07:16:40 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:16:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you can show me your stuff :) Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Glenn, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out HOW to start it. I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start 'em! 16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor 15 hp Domestic - push button start 15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the gals at Portland have even done it. Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough charge to fire. If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell 'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > John Culp _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 07:14:20 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:14:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040906075244.023394d8@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: Neither - that was the 60HP Fairbanks from AR :) Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) Glenn Them are some good looking engines. Which one has the snake in it[grins] R Fink PA At 07:30 PM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 7 08:36:51 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:36:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: Strand board, chip board, plywood, are all acceptable woods since they are heated during the manufacturing process. It is raw wood which is the problem. Actually the term used by the regulations is "non-manufactured wood". The big deal is that the EU is trying to prevent the pinewood nematode from spreading. If you search the internet you can find numerous websites dealing with shipping requirements for wood crates. I think the main concern is for crates leaving North America and being shipped to the EU. Since we already have pinewood nematodes, there shouldn't be a concern for EU countries shipping the few nematodes they have back to us! On the crates I've shipped to Harry in the past I used standard pallets or pallet bases I made from Douglas fir and built the framework of the crate with fir as well. Then used a strand board skin to complete the crate. Had not questions or problems shipping these crates. I don't have a problem changing how I build the pallet and frame it to eliminate the use of raw wood, and of course the strand board covering is no problem as it is a manufactured wood. The problem I have is if I have to start paying someone to certify the crate meets the EU requirements. George From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Sep 7 09:32:53 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:32:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] decal question please Message-ID: Howdy all...live is good!!! On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this look. Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I have the same stencil looking effect? Appreciate any advise!! TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 7 09:41:24 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, At the risk of stating the obvious, if your engine is hard to turn over without compression, something's out of adjustment. Fix that and you'll be back on track. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin > WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... > Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you > can show me your stuff :) From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 7 09:57:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Well, the CRATE was nicely made of "manufactured" chip board. http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/tillieuk.htm Good job no one asked about the engine SKID inside. Probably a tonne and a half of nice fresh juicy Pennsylvania white oak. I guess the EU hasn't heard (yet) about the dreaded white oak nema-toad. Trust me, that is one bad-assed frog with ATTITUDE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50736&item=3249911600 See ya, Arnie On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > Strand board, chip board, plywood, are all acceptable woods since they > are heated during the manufacturing process. It is raw wood which is > the problem. Actually the term used by the regulations is > "non-manufactured wood". > > The big deal is that the EU is trying to prevent the pinewood nematode > from spreading. From nick at holden1.net Tue Sep 7 11:29:07 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:29:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <413DFDF3.000006.02528@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi to All just joined the list can anyone help with the best way to ship an engine from the USA to England and any idea of cost thanks Nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/07/04 17:56:00 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments Hi George, Well, the CRATE was nicely made of "manufactured" chip board. http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/tillieuk.htm Good job no one asked about the engine SKID inside. Probably a tonne and a half of nice fresh juicy Pennsylvania white oak. I guess the EU hasn't heard (yet) about the dreaded white oak nema-toad. Trust me, that is one bad-assed frog with ATTITUDE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50736&item=3249911600 See ya, Arnie On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > Strand board, chip board, plywood, are all acceptable woods since they > are heated during the manufacturing process. It is raw wood which is > the problem. Actually the term used by the regulations is > "non-manufactured wood". > > The big deal is that the EU is trying to prevent the pinewood nematode > from spreading. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 7 11:42:42 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:42:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: Message-ID: <413E0122.5010106@imc-group.com> Rick, If you have a good surface behind you will not need to trim your water transfer decal. It absolutely will disappear as it dries. Beside trimming would ruin a WT decal. Curt Holland P.S. Where can Hercules WT decals be bought? I used all mine on the Herc saw rig. Need 4 more..... Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all...live is good!!! > > On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the >transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this look. > > Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: >Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I have >the same stencil looking effect? > > Appreciate any advise!! > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Sep 7 12:00:19 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:00:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org FTP problems over the weekend. Message-ID: Seems that a few of us with pictures to post to Oldengine.org had problems with the FTP process over the weekend. Certainly I did, and so did Patrick Livingstone amongst others. I emailed Jim Dunmyer and he has advised that a change was made to a firewall setting by the service guy (Greg) , but that it has now been sorted and the problems should be over. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 7 13:35:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:35:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Message-ID: <413E1B9F.000003.03136@NOTEBOOK> Hey all, back from a "mini" vacation with a load of goodies Picked up one of those little Johnson Motors, complete and running Picked up a bushel basket of Magnetos in various conditions And from my Mom got a complete collection of GEM Magazines, from issue 1 # 1 I think I'll be busy for a little while catching up on my reading!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 7 13:52:31 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:52:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics Message-ID: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 7 14:08:26 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:08:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments References: <413DFDF3.000006.02528@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <413E234A.EAA178A6@insulate.co.uk> Hi Nick We've done it a few times, and it doesn't get any easier. The last time we did it (Feb of this year), the engine had to be taken to Baltimore from Pittsburgh - no mean feat in itself in deep snow! Cost is calculated by volume rather than weight - apparantly it's almost impossible to achieve the weight limits unless you're shipping a crate packed from corner to corner with nuts and bolts. Our customs will hit you for VAT, at a level dependent on the day of the week, the weather and the current state of the custom's officer's home life. Ask if there's any more you need to know! Dolly & Jim nick wrote: > Hi to All > > just joined the list can anyone help with the best way to ship an > > engine from the USA to England and any idea of cost > > thanks Nick > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Sep 7 14:38:40 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:38:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001001c49523$0a826c10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Patrick, you have 39 blanks in your pages. John H. > Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 7 15:03:56 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:03:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > Cost is calculated by volume rather than weight - apparently > it's almost impossible to achieve the weight limits unless > you're shipping a crate packed from corner to corner with > nuts and bolts. > Our customs will hit you for VAT, at a level dependent on the > day of the week, the weather and the current state of the > custom's officer's home life. > Dolly & Jim As noted above, the size of the crate is what you will be charged for, not the weight. So when shipping an engine it reduces the shipping cost if you can take it apart somewhat to enable the crate to be smaller. For example if the engine is on a cart, take the wheels off the cart to make the crate shorter. Also since you're paying for the crate, not the weight, it doesn't cost any more to add extra items into the crate in any available space. When Harry and I exchange crates we often pack in all sorts of extra parts and junk that the other may appreciate. I know John Hammink is anxiously awaiting to have some of his "filler" parts added to a crate to be shipped to Harry. You can also save the receiving party some money (taxes, customs) by "correctly" listing the contents of your crate. Don't list "museum quality restored antique engine" when "used" or "obsolete engine and parts" works fine. I have an invoice I made up for "Obsolete Engine Parts & Salvage". The declared value of salvage parts is pretty reasonable ;-) George From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 7 15:39:21 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:39:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040907204124.00b68e40@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002a01c4952b$8847dd80$96a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> thanks Russell ..........seems that red or yellow was the colour. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Peter I have 2, both are in average condition but both are also painted or > at least have the remains of RED paint on them. > Russell > > At 07:40 AM 7/09/2004 +0800, you wrote: > >Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > >,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > >Peter Ogborne > >Little Grove ,Albany > >West Australia > >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Sep 7 16:28:10 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: "Glenn Wilson" 's message of Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: <24682-413E440A-5260@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Glenn, If the engine is THAT tight it is my opinion that something is wrong. Is it in the bearings or the piston? I would add a shim in every bearing cap and see if that loosens it up. I would add temporary shims until I knew they were all loose. If it ain't there how about pulling the piston by hand with someone holding a valve open? Do ya need to clean your ring grooves? Are your rings too tight? Something is wrong, Go find it. Please tell us about it when you figure it out. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Glenn?Wilson wrote~~~~~~ Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you can show me your stuff :) Glenn From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 7 16:36:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:36:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. http://www.rbm.com.au/rally Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, $375 per exhibitor! For three days. (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the way things are going. I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Sep 7 17:01:25 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:01:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Shell Petrol container Message-ID: <20040908000126.3090.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Peter I seem to recall Red with the Shell shell logo in yellow. I do have a Castrol 2 gall one here which has remnants of green. Can you contact the Shell oil co in Perth and ask someone who knows (or cares), if there is such a person these days? Graham in Oz PS Pretty silly tins in one way - the pour spout was too small, so often ya see a nail hole punched in the top! (it spoils them of course). Message: 32 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:40:23 +0200 From: "John Hammink" Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5 at Sixmjohn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 7 17:12:29 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:12:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics In-Reply-To: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Very nice! As always, I love the Australs! The Blackstones with the curved flywheel spokes are gorgeous! John On Sep 7, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html > Enjoy! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 17:17:44 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] decal question please In-Reply-To: <413E0122.5010106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040908001744.38623.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Trimming a water WT will not ruin it. If the decal has excess carrier film it should be trimmed close with a very sharp blade. Also you will need a smooth gloss surface if you want that decal to stay on and for the carrier film to dissappear. Also make sure the surface is CLEAN. Wetting the surface will help prevent trapped air and silvering. Curt Holland wrote: Rick, If you have a good surface behind you will not need to trim your water transfer decal. It absolutely will disappear as it dries. Beside trimming would ruin a WT decal. Curt Holland P.S. Where can Hercules WT decals be bought? I used all mine on the Herc saw rig. Need 4 more..... Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all...live is good!!! > > On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the >transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this look. > > Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: >Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I have >the same stencil looking effect? > > Appreciate any advise!! > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Sep 7 17:19:22 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:19:22 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay Message-ID: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Oz mates Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Sep 7 17:37:02 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:37:02 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re Rusty Iron Rally Pics & pics from other SEL members Message-ID: <20040908003702.33729.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Patrick Great pictures as per your usual standard. Thanks, enjoyed 'em muchly. What a good rally it was. It looked like Brad had his 10HP M there. Also thanks to other list members who have posted show pics lately. I've been a bit slack replying! Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 7 18:39:52 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:39:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff Message-ID: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Seems I have upset some on the list and I apologize. I yelled on topic to get everyone's attention. I felt and still feel most users should not install the XP service pack if they use a PC with XP. My mailbox tells me I did a bad thing and it won't happen again. Some kind comments and ..... No more computer stuff from me on the list. Off list I'll try to help anyone I can. On list, I don't even know how to turn one on. Not worth the grief. Sorry to those I offended. It was not my intention. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 7 18:56:08 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:56:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <001001c49523$0a826c10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001401c49547$03472f70$240110ac@PaulMaples> Same with me John. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics > Hi Patrick, you have 39 blanks in your pages. > > John H. > > > >> Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html >> Enjoy! >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Sep 7 18:58:10 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY In-Reply-To: <413E1B9F.000003.03136@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Add a WOW to that boy, well, you ole sob. Good haul, I'd love to know what sort of bait you used on that vacation to make such a catch. GEM Issue 1 #1, I'd like to see that - I have some old uns, but not THAT old. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Hey all, back from a "mini" vacation with a load of goodies Picked up one of those little Johnson Motors, complete and running Picked up a bushel basket of Magnetos in various conditions And from my Mom got a complete collection of GEM Magazines, from issue 1 # 1 I think I'll be busy for a little while catching up on my reading!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adpnaut1 at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 7 19:10:03 2004 From: adpnaut1 at bellsouth.net (Don Riedel) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:10:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> Jeff, You were on target; some people are a tad too sensitive. Having installed the service pack, I agree with you. Funny how people accept "on target" off color remarks and babe pictures but hate "geeks". Don From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 7 19:28:45 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:28:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY References: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <413E6E5D.000001.02672@NOTEBOOK> Well if ya talk real sweet to me, whisper something nice in the wife's ear, and buy me a cup of java we could probably arrange a peek!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/07/04 22:16:15 To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Add a WOW to that boy, well, you ole sob. Good haul, I'd love to know what sort of bait you used on that vacation to make such a catch. GEM Issue 1 #1, I'd like to see that - I have some old uns, but not THAT old. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Hey all, back from a "mini" vacation with a load of goodies Picked up one of those little Johnson Motors, complete and running Picked up a bushel basket of Magnetos in various conditions And from my Mom got a complete collection of GEM Magazines, from issue 1 # 1 I think I'll be busy for a little while catching up on my reading!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 7 19:36:26 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:36:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag motor needed, Message-ID: <00ec01c4954c$a3c86950$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, There is a guy I've come to know that runs a peanut roaster with Maytag 92. He is in Yuma, Colorado for the threshing show this weekend and he need a running motor. His quit and he can't seem to get it running. Mine is not for sale as the grandson and I built it together and he also started if for the first time last night on his own. Please save the Maytag jokes for later. He is semi retired and does the engine shows with this rig for money. If anyone can help contact me off list and I'll hook you up with him. Quite a request, but I can't think of a better bunch to go to. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 19:35:28 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <20040908023528.92155.qmail@web20226.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Reg, I will get some numbers as to what we spend putting on our show at the meeting next week. Usually is has been around $20,000 to $25,000. Some of the costs attributed to the show are for things we use all year long, like our insurance and fuel costs. Basically the vendor fees collected for swap meet space pay to put on the show and the ticket sales to spectators and our commission on the food vendors sales (15% of their declared gross receipts) is all profit. The one that got me was $20,000 for security. For years we never had any, but then we started with one rent-a-cop on the days and two at night. Still, it costs us less than $1,000 and we have had no problems at all with theft, vandalism, etc. $10,000 for portable toilets seems awful high. Maybe it is different here, we clean them up and use them again and again! Do they charge admission for spectators? Is there any money left after the bills are paid? Where does it go? As an officer in our club, I can tell you that the decisions on how and where to spend money are scrutinised closely. We have a responsibility to spend wisely. Sometimes that doesn't happen as good as it should, but the need to get competitive prices on simular products is very important. How do you know this organization is spending wisely? How and to whom are these people accountable? These are important questions, and bear answering. I like to agitate. If I were you, I would go to this show as a spectator and wear a sign on my back saying why I wasn't exhibiting. Since my backside is substantially larger than yours, I could get a lot of detail into those statements. Talk to exhibitors about it. Question authority. Later, Mate! Joe --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, > $375 > per exhibitor! For three days. > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but > it > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the > way > things are going. > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the > high > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 8 04:25:13 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:25:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines Message-ID: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought myself a new tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old engines. The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased with it after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier engines. Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 7 21:54:15 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:54:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics In-Reply-To: <001001c49523$0a826c10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200409080454.i884s6dm053837@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> All fixed now :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, you have 39 blanks in your pages. John H. From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Sep 7 22:08:40 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:08:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if 6 foot wheels for the same weight turn easier than 4 foot wheels. glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Glenn, At the risk of stating the obvious, if your engine is hard to turn over without compression, something's out of adjustment. Fix that and you'll be back on track. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin > WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... > Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you > can show me your stuff :) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Sep 7 22:14:11 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <24682-413E440A-5260@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: My guess would be the main bearings - - - but it runs all day long. Wouldn't that loosen these kind of bearings up just by running it? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Glenn, If the engine is THAT tight it is my opinion that something is wrong. Is it in the bearings or the piston? I would add a shim in every bearing cap and see if that loosens it up. I would add temporary shims until I knew they were all loose. If it ain't there how about pulling the piston by hand with someone holding a valve open? Do ya need to clean your ring grooves? Are your rings too tight? Something is wrong, Go find it. Please tell us about it when you figure it out. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Glenn?Wilson wrote~~~~~~ Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you can show me your stuff :) Glenn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Sep 7 20:30:03 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:30:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff Message-ID: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> Hi Jeff; You did not offend me and like some of the other people on the list that needed info. on computer problems, we appreciated the info. I asked a question about a computer problem about two years ago and one person put an abusive letter on the list about it, before I had posted pretty regular and enjoyed it but after that I hardly ever post any more. But if I see OT in the subject line I still know where my delete key is. An OLE engine friend, Bill Miller. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 7 22:39:53 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:39:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please Message-ID: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal look. And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. Why make it hard on yourself ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 7 22:33:47 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:33:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments Message-ID: <20040908.015153.1204.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Nick, I think you should contract Dave & Arnie - I hear they're cheap - - -(Work for beer) and - - - efficient. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 7 12:14:46 2004 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:14:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL list members hospitality Message-ID: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> I would sincerly like to thank all the members of the list that I met recently on my trip to the other side of the pond , to visit the Badger steam and gas show and the Tristate show at Portland.It was nice to meet so many friendly people for the first time. Regards Craig from Scotland From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 00:23:56 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 08:23:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay In-Reply-To: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3rctj09ejf39ck1hfmstfi5n2fqll2h7kg@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:19:22 +1000 (EST), you wrote: >G'day Oz mates > >Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I >remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him >an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > >Graham in Oz Tom passed away just over a week ago, Graham. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 01:47:40 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:47:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010a01c49581$f73ce720$97111bd3@athlon> Sad to say but, I think he has passed on. I can't remember who told me but................... Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay > G'day Oz mates > > Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I > remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him > an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > > Graham in Oz > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 8 03:06:56 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:06:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <007101c4958b$943ff9f0$5fe131d2@km> G'Day Reg Come on get serious, the link you provided to the entry form was last up dated 7th Feb and I could see no statement to the $150 per entry, even if you uncovered it somewhere we all know it would be a mistake. You know what the cost of per exhibitor is at Portland so tell us etc. We all only have to make one choice Go or No Go. See you there Kerry PS. You did well in getting them to look at entry for ONE family member, but this is now standard in a lot of things at least in vintage cars > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, $375 > per exhibitor! For three days. > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the way > things are going. > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > Reg & Marg Ingold. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 8 02:47:42 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:47:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004b01c49588$e3e40940$5fe131d2@km> G'Day Graham I did read with sorrow on the UK list that Tom past away with his cancer. Kerry > G'day Oz mates > > Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I > remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him > an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > > Graham in Oz > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 8 03:43:08 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:43:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <00cc01c49590$a1bec5c0$5fe131d2@km> G'Day All For the full story on International freighting of wood for ALL our countries see http://www.dhx.com/ispm15.cfm?CFID=500869&CFTOKEN=58279712 Manufactured wood is ok as is fumigation Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 8 03:59:57 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:59:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001401c49593$2e940440$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics > Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html > Enjoy! > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ Hi Patrick, Thanks for the pictures. Was the showground a horseracing track? The railings make me think that. Dave Croft From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Sep 8 08:20:29 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:20:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040908071749.00b36cd0@mail.keyconn.net> Jeff some may be a bit concerned about the post. But then there is still some that ain't computer genius and appreciate the information. So thanks R Fink PA At 07:39 PM 9/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Seems I have upset some on the list and I apologize. I yelled on topic to >get everyone's attention. I felt and still feel most users should not >install the XP service pack if they use a PC with XP. My mailbox tells me >I did a bad thing and it won't happen again. Some kind comments and ..... >No more computer stuff from me on the list. Off list I'll try to help >anyone I can. On list, I don't even know how to turn one on. Not worth the >grief. Sorry to those I offended. It was not my intention. > >Regards, > >Jeff Allen >Arvada, Colorado USA > >http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >http://frapa.us/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Tue Sep 7 21:26:39 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:56:39 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003a01c4955c$14741be0$7beefea9@SKitto> Reg I think you will find that this figure is for trade exhibitors, those who are going to make financial gain out of their site, not those who exhibit old engines etc., As a member of the organising club let me say that the costs of the event are huge and the club is anticipating very little profit. The local community is putting in huge donations of inkind support, ie free cranes for unloading etc. I have been staggered at some of the costs, but tohave an event of this size and to satisfy local authorities, exhibitors etc, they are part of it. Anyone who has been in a club that has organised a rally will appreciate many of the dilemas that we are facing. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, $375 > per exhibitor! For three days. > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the way > things are going. > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Wed Sep 8 06:05:58 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:05:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] System outage - Frances Message-ID: <200409080905580843.002FB87D@heavyiron.atis.net> Just wanted to let everyone know that the ATIS servers were down for several hours overnight while crews repaired downed lines nearby. A large oak knocked out power and data lines. The outage lasted a few hours, though access was spotty before and after the main outage as Duke Power and Time Warner had trouble throughout the region. I understand that data access will continue to be spotty, as they roll lines in and out of the grid for repairs. I have not seen any of these rolls so hopefully they are in areas outside of my concentrator. By the way, the power backup unit I have carried us through most of the blackout, but the data line is actually what caused the outage. While we are indeed back up, all incoming mail comes through a SPAM service who only now is retrying mail delivery so I am not sure how long it will take for any queued mail to get delivered to me Fortunately, Frances was polite enough to strike overnight and I am not sure that all that much mail and web traffic was affected. Hope all is well with everyone else, PS: 3.5+" of rain in the gauge, 50mph wind gusts last night, and its' still pouring buckets PSS Click here for current radar. I am about 10 miles west of Winston-Salem: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.kfcx.shtml Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 8 06:04:22 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:04:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines References: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000701c495a4$5bef6f90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Nice car Patrick, you even can take a nap in the back. What weight are these Nissan's? Overhere you may not pull a weight lager than the car. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought myself a new > tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old engines. > The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased with it > after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier engines. > Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG > > P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From welch at ii.net Wed Sep 8 07:47:51 2004 From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:47:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mckay Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20040908224745.01edb2c8@mail.iinet.net.au> Hello Graham, I don't know if anybody has posted this info yet, but I regret to advise you that Tom shuffled off this mortal coil two weeks ago. The service was last week. The chapel was packed - standing room only. A sad day. No greater accolade can one say of an Aussie, but that he was a good bloke. regards ... Charles Welch At 09:08 AM 08/09/2004 Wednesday, Graham Harris wrote: >G'day Oz mates > >Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I >remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him >an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > >Graham in Oz From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 8 08:09:14 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:09:14 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone Message-ID: <413F209A.000005.00676@NOTEBOOK> Having just spent 5 days up north with my Mom I got some startling news. She and my Dad collected everything antique for many many years, now at the age of 83 she's decided to hold a sale and get rid of much of the collections. (Dad passed away 16 years ago today). If the ladies like antique dolls, china, furniture, and about anything else "household" there will be lots for them to see and, of course, buy. For us old iron people, the specialty of the house is International Harvester. Dad was an IH dealer for 20 years or so and never threw anything away. There is literally tons of literature on old IH equipment. Parts manuals, Shop manuals, advertising slicks, posters and you name it. All is in "NEW" condition!! In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 in the garage. Too much stuff to remember it all but sometime in the spring (when the final dates are set) I'll let you all know if you're at all interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 8 08:35:40 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:35:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help Message-ID: Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a 5/6 throttle governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Sep 8 08:38:40 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:38:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SEL list members hospitality In-Reply-To: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <200409081538.i88Fchdm084124@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > I would sincerly like to thank all the members of the list > that I met recently on my trip to the other side of the pond > , to visit the Badger steam and gas show and the Tristate > show at Portland.It was nice to meet so many friendly people > for the first time. > Regards Craig from Scotland Hey dude! Welcome to the list. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 8 08:40:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:40:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting References: Message-ID: <05a101c495ba$3d63e8b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Glenn, You have something binding somewhere. With the compression released (ie "WITHOUT any compression") the wheels should spin w/out very much effort at all. Find what is binding, and correct the problem! Dave > Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin > WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... > Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you > can show me your stuff :) > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting > > > Hi Glenn, > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > > No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out > HOW to start it. > > I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But > he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start > 'em! > > 16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor > 15 hp Domestic - push button start > 15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the > gals at Portland have even done it. > > Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to > start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted > and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. > > Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough > charge to fire. > > If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to > something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell > 'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll > wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > > John Culp > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Wed Sep 8 08:53:35 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:53:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SPAM from old server References: <200409080905580843.002FB87D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200409081153350640.00CA2F66@heavyiron.atis.net> I need to remind everyone as some folks have forgotten the Internet server newidea.atis.net does NOT belong to me anymore. This server belongs to the software company I sold a few months ago. They are in the process of replacing it but I have no idea when this will be finished (it was supposed to be done in July so I have no hope it will be done timely )-: ) I tell you this because current management has done a poor job of spam prevention and has not torn down a few mailing lists they accidentally restored back in June after a disk failure that occurred after I sold the company(this was the failure that forced me to bring up heavyiron.atis.net earlier than I was supposed to). Now these mailing lists and the addresses on them are active again. That means that spammers are using my old addresses at my old server to send out messages to the old majordomo mailing lists. YOU MAY RECEIVE SPAM from newidea.atis.net -- a server that APPEARS to belong to ATIS but NO longer does!!! I am actively working with my old business partners to get them to tear down my old tractor related addresses but it is slow going. I am trying to implore them to retire the server on a timely basis as they promised but have had no luck, even though I know they have a new server in house. Please be patient if you receive SPAM that appears to come from ATIS. It does not, I SWEAR, even though it appears to. I will continue to work with Piedmont Systems on this. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 08:42:12 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:42:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> References: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <1094658132.413f28546e8f4@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting BillMil357 at aol.com: > Hi Jeff; > > You did not offend me and like some of the other people on the list that > needed info. on computer problems, we appreciated the info. I asked a > question > about a computer problem about two years ago and one person put an abusive > letter > on the list about it, before I had posted pretty regular and enjoyed it but > after that I hardly ever post any more. But if I see OT in the subject line I > > still know where my delete key is. > > An OLE engine friend, > > Bill Miller. Hi Bill: I am sure a lot of us who have knowledge to pass on are only too pleased to help. I think that Jeff may have been a little bit over the top with his headline banner which is why Dave Rotigel posted, and then Dave only basically said to make it titled as OT, so no damage done. It is sometimes tempting to think in terms of 'engine-only' posts on the two lists, but there is a lot of community stuff as well that gets passed around and rarely is that commented on, so along with the rest I'll look at what interests me and delete the rest :-)) Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 8 09:26:01 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:26:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines Message-ID: <20040908.172602.216.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Very nice looking vehicle Patrick. The turbo Diesel should handle the load very nicely. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:25:13 +1000 "Patrick M Livingstone" writes: > As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought > myself a new > tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old > engines. > The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased > with it > after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier > engines. > Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG > > P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From falcon at telenet.net Wed Sep 8 09:47:03 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:47:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of decal setting solution. http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips (for models but a decal is a decal) http://snipurl.com/8xqg Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > Hi Rick, > Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. > I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal > look. > And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. > > Why make it hard on yourself ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 8 10:59:12 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:59:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <413F4870.2080708@imc-group.com> Steve, I used spray Windex as Ted Brookover recomended and it work great too No air bubbles or creases anywhere. Noticed the first line on the weblink you provided details trimming the decal. Yesterday I stated it would be a mistake to trim a WT decal. Apparently this is incorrect, but it sure seems a risk to tearing the edge of the dry decal. Thanks for making us aware of the decal setting solution. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Has anyone tried spraying a catalysed clear paint like Imron over a WT decal? Does it work OK? Steve W. wrote: >If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of >decal setting solution. > >http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips >(for models but a decal is a decal) > >http://snipurl.com/8xqg > > >Steve Williams >Near Cooperstown NY > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 02:03:03 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:03:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> Message-ID: <000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> Don, dont let it get to ya. You wait till 'Cabin Fever' sets in!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Riedel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff > Jeff, > > You were on target; some people are a tad too sensitive. Having installed > the service pack, I agree with you. > > Funny how people accept "on target" off color remarks and babe pictures but > hate "geeks". > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 14:28:49 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:28:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> <000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <1auuj0lgsk41aqds1jng0lntl9ngg015ef@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:03:03 +1000, you wrote: >Don, dont let it get to ya. You wait till 'Cabin Fever' sets in!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. Gee, Reggie, I'd like the spare time to get an attack of Cabin fever!! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 14:32:17 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:32:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8duuj0li01klocd4bu9chnvptamcb2c30j@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:35:40 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? > >I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a 5/6 throttle >governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to >find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? > >George George: I don't think you would find many spares of that nature, the Bamfords you refer to are relatively rare outside of the main volume of engines which were vertical types with hinged crankcases, both diesel and petrol types. If, however, you could find someone who was willing to lend you the parts and let you have photographs then I believe it would be quite feasible given a bit of time. I think there may be more to it than appears at first to be the case. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 14:36:06 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:36:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Osama bin Laden a FATG? Message-ID: <1718D86C-01DF-11D9-8CBC-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> This may be old news to some: http://www.radio.cz/en/article/11586 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 14:41:51 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:41:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> <007101c4958b$943ff9f0$5fe131d2@km> Message-ID: <002101c495ec$aa377c40$800d1bd3@athlon> The info came off their newsletter media update dated 8 Aug. Available on line. They claim their costs will be more than $300,000. Expecy 800 exhibitors and 2000 exhibits. Do the maths yourself. <> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally > G'Day Reg > > Come on get serious, the link you provided to the entry form was last up > dated 7th Feb and I could see no statement to the $150 per entry, even if > you uncovered it somewhere we all know it would be a mistake. > You know what the cost of per exhibitor is at Portland so tell us etc. > We all only have to make one choice Go or No Go. > See you there > > Kerry > > PS. You did well in getting them to look at entry for ONE family member, but > this is now standard in a lot of things at least in vintage cars > > > > > > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, > $375 > > per exhibitor! For three days. > > > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it > > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the > way > > things are going. > > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high > > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 14:41:33 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:41:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You did put grease in them? On Sep 8, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote: > My guess would be the main bearings - - - but it runs all day long. > Wouldn't that loosen these kind of bearings up just by running it? > Glenn John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 8 14:43:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:43:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL list members hospitality In-Reply-To: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1094679836.413f7d1c557c0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Craig, WELCOME to the list!!!! Looking forward to seeing you again on one side of the pond or another!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting craig morrison : > I would sincerly like to thank all the members of the list that I met > recently on my trip to the other side of the pond , to visit the Badger steam > and gas show and the Tristate show at Portland.It was nice to meet so many > friendly people for the first time. > Regards Craig from Scotland From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 14:48:25 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:48:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mckay In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20040908224745.01edb2c8@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040908224745.01edb2c8@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > No greater accolade can one say of an Aussie, but that he was a good > bloke. I really liked Tom. He was a good bloke. I'm sorry to hear he's gone. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 8 15:35:24 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:35:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Reg & Margaret Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:42 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally > > The info came off their newsletter media update dated 8 Aug. > Available on line. > They claim their costs will be more than $300,000. > Expecy 800 exhibitors and 2000 exhibits. > Do the maths yourself. Dividing the cost of a show by the number of exhibitors accomplishes nothing, unless the exhibitors are the only ones paying to put on the show. I expect at this show the spectators are paying an admission fee. So what is the gate fee? How much do the planners expect to make off of the gate admission? If the gate receipts do not cover the costs, you've got a couple of choices. Find ways to lower your expenses so that gate receipts can cover them, or have the club members make up the shortfall. Rather than stick it to the exhibitors to make up the difference, stick it to all the club members. Might make the non-exhibiting club members think that they'd better get a bit more involved with the show to make sure it is successful. George From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 8 16:33:08 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:33:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re Tom McKay Message-ID: <002b01c495fc$360fd140$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I am very sorry a lot of members did not know of Toms passing. I suppose i knew a couple of hours or so after the event. I tried to post the bad news but i could not do so due to the change of the bloody system . Tom was a great club man and collector, very hard worker and one of those responsible for the excellent insurance cover the affiliated members of the NHMA have. I am so sorry that Tom and Beth never made it on the promised visit that they were going to make to me in Albany. Tom was responsible for starting me in this hobby that has now resulted in a shed full of ................... One thing that Tom achieved before his death was the disposal of the great number of engines in his shed, lets face it Beth is far better off with the dollars than the worry of what to do with them, i reckon it is something we should all think about! And one thing that i am sorry about is that i never got around to showing Tom how scan a picture. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 8 16:44:27 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:44:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep members away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money on fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and enjoying myself. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Sep 8 11:23:58 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:23:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big Huber Weekend / paint (Xpost) Message-ID: The Huber 16 restoration took a major leap forward this weekend. Dad was able to borrow a compressor and sand blasting outfit from his construction site. We picked it up Friday afternoon and spent a big part of the weekend blasting 99yrs of old off of the Huber. 1700 lbs of (black beauty) sand later the engine and its parts are much cleaner than they were before. I have given all of the blasted parts a coat of primer. It is probably a good idea to go ahead and paint most of what has been cleaned. What should I use for paint? I especially need something good for the boiler. Does automotive paint take the heat OK? Parts of the cylinder should get pretty hot as well. I am considering using an automotive urethane finish. I'll try to post some pics soon. I want your opinions and please tell me what has worked good for you. Andy Glines Evansville, IN _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 8 17:05:34 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040909000534.17067.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Either your mains are too tight or they are worn enough that the helical gears that drive the sideshaft are binding. Very common problem, can be properly repaired by jacking up the shaft and repouring the lower mains, or sometimes you can drop the sideshaft a bit by removing the studs that fasten the rear bearing to the base and turning the unthreaded portion of the stud down a little, allowing the bearing to drop down and increase the clearance between the gears. While not a text book perfect solution, most engines have enough slop in them to allow you to get away with it. when all is right, there will be just a little backlash in the helical gearing. How much do you have now? You said that the engine has recast main caps, perhaps the babbitt it a bit tight in the cap, try shimming it first and then run it a while and see if the bearing caps get warm. Those are nice engines, they can run really sweet with a little tinkering. Get some propane hooked up to it, play with the timing and you should be able to get it to run so gently that you will never hear it fire. Christensens are right up there with Foos for engines that are tweakable. Later, Joe --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > No, you don't see the problem - it turns HARDER than heck even before > you > get > into compression. You'll see next Aug. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting > > > Glenn, > > I think I see your problem... > > Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up > onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it > the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the > optimum point to close the valve or compression release. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > > > > > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining > enough > > >charge to fire. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 18:02:54 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:02:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone References: <413F209A.000005.00676@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <006901c49608$bd8e4960$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bob, Sounds like a heck of an auction coming up. Keep us posted. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone Having just spent 5 days up north with my Mom I got some startling news. She and my Dad collected everything antique for many many years, now at the age of 83 she's decided to hold a sale and get rid of much of the collections. (Dad passed away 16 years ago today). If the ladies like antique dolls, china, furniture, and about anything else "household" there will be lots for them to see and, of course, buy. For us old iron people, the specialty of the house is International Harvester. Dad was an IH dealer for 20 years or so and never threw anything away. There is literally tons of literature on old IH equipment. Parts manuals, Shop manuals, advertising slicks, posters and you name it. All is in "NEW" condition!! In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 in the garage. Too much stuff to remember it all but sometime in the spring (when the final dates are set) I'll let you all know if you're at all interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 18:05:54 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:05:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SPAM from old server References: <200409080905580843.002FB87D@heavyiron.atis.net> <200409081153350640.00CA2F66@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <006e01c49609$28f71510$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Spencer, Last I checked my delete key works just fine and I'm used to getting spoofed stuff. Just thankful for all your efforts that keep this list going. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] SPAM from old server >I need to remind everyone as some folks have forgotten the Internet server > newidea.atis.net does NOT belong to me anymore. This server belongs to > the software company I sold a few months ago. They are in the process of > replacing it but I have no idea when this will be finished (it was > supposed > to be done in July so I have no hope it will be done timely )-: ) > > I tell you this because current management has done a poor job of spam > prevention and has not torn down a few mailing lists they accidentally > restored back in June after a disk failure that occurred after I sold the > company(this was the failure that forced me to bring up heavyiron.atis.net > earlier than I was supposed to). Now these mailing lists and the > addresses on them are active again. That means that spammers are using > my > old addresses at my old server to send out messages to the old majordomo > mailing lists. > > YOU MAY RECEIVE SPAM from newidea.atis.net -- a server that APPEARS to > belong to ATIS but NO longer does!!! > > I am actively working with my old business partners to get them to tear > down my old tractor related addresses but it is slow going. I am trying > to implore them to retire the server on a timely basis as they promised > but > have had no luck, even though I know they have a new server in house. > > Please be patient if you receive SPAM that appears to come from ATIS. It > does not, I SWEAR, even though it appears to. I will continue to work > with > Piedmont Systems on this. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 8 18:14:51 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:14:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re Tom McKay References: <002b01c495fc$360fd140$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002901c4960a$68eb7fc0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hear Hear Peter. I knew Tom through our association with the NHMA. I was Secretary for two years when he was Treasurer and we had many conversations over that time both on the phone and at the annual committee meetings . Apart from engines we also had dealings about old engine tools as well. He will be sadly missed. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: [SEL] re Tom McKay > I am very sorry a lot of members did not know of Toms passing. I suppose i > knew a couple of hours or so after the event. I tried to post the bad news > but i could not do so due to the change of the bloody system . > Tom was a great club man and collector, very hard worker and one of those > responsible for the excellent insurance cover the affiliated members of the > NHMA have. I am so sorry that Tom and Beth never made it on the promised > visit that they were going to make to me in Albany. > Tom was responsible for starting me in this hobby that has now resulted in a > shed full of ................... > One thing that Tom achieved before his death was the disposal of the great > number of engines in his shed, lets face it Beth is far better off with the > dollars than the worry of what to do with them, i reckon it is something we > should all think about! > And one thing that i am sorry about is that i never got around to showing > Tom how scan a picture. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 8 18:15:58 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:15:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone References: <006901c49608$bd8e4960$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <413FAECE.000005.01288@NOTEBOOK> Yeppers, should be one heck of a sale. I've no idea of what will get dug out of the raftures up there. I know they hoarded stuff for years. There should even be some steam whistles and various other steam items as dad used to have a Nichols & Shepard engine too. The good/bad part of it is that it's not going to be an auction. Just setting it all up for sale with fixed? prices. I'm sure there will be some negotiation on pricing but she says everything will simply be priced and ready to go. If you want to get top choice it looks like you'll have to be there for the first day. The nice thing is I'll know the dates before they get published anywhere else therefore you all will also know them. (I believe my friends should have the first heads up LOL) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/08/04 21:04:56 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello again everyone Bob, Sounds like a heck of an auction coming up. Keep us posted. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone Having just spent 5 days up north with my Mom I got some startling news. She and my Dad collected everything antique for many many years, now at the age of 83 she's decided to hold a sale and get rid of much of the collections. (Dad passed away 16 years ago today). If the ladies like antique dolls, china, furniture, and about anything else "household" there will be lots for them to see and, of course, buy. For us old iron people, the specialty of the house is International Harvester. Dad was an IH dealer for 20 years or so and never threw anything away. There is literally tons of literature on old IH equipment. Parts manuals, Shop manuals, advertising slicks, posters and you name it. All is in "NEW" condition!! In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 in the garage. Too much stuff to remember it all but sometime in the spring (when the final dates are set) I'll let you all know if you're at all interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 8 18:18:04 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:18:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Something I forgot Message-ID: <413FAF4C.000009.01288@NOTEBOOK> Hey all, I've forgotten to mention that I'm selling some mags and brackets in the hit & miss area on E-Bay currently if you're interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 19:01:26 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:01:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a501c49610$eb2685b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, Don't let one flame keep you from posting. The more the merrier. I get flamed now and then and life goes on. Not trying to make enemies, but a heartfelt debate never hurts anyone. Opinions are like noses, and we all have one. There is another word in that saying to replace noses, and now and then I am called one. I always say thank you. Get back in the thick of it and share your engine stuff with the list. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff > Hi Jeff; > > You did not offend me and like some of the other people on the list that > needed info. on computer problems, we appreciated the info. I asked a > question > about a computer problem about two years ago and one person put an abusive > letter > on the list about it, before I had posted pretty regular and enjoyed it > but > after that I hardly ever post any more. But if I see OT in the subject > line I > still know where my delete key is. > > An OLE engine friend, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 8 19:54:32 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:54:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines In-Reply-To: <000701c495a4$5bef6f90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200409090254.i892sndm012732@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> The weight rules vary from state to state here in Oz but in NSW I can tow (with a braked trailer) the maximum towing mass as specified by the manufacturer which is 2800kg for the diesel Navara. That will easily cover all the engines I have at the moment. The heaviest is the 12hp R&V which weighs in at a little over 1000kg. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Nice car Patrick, you even can take a nap in the back. What weight are these Nissan's? Overhere you may not pull a weight lager than the car. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 8 19:56:04 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:56:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics In-Reply-To: <001401c49593$2e940440$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: <200409090256.i892u4dm013552@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Dave, Many of the showgrounds in NSW have a race track around the arena. I guess it saves the expense of having both a showground and a racecourse. It came in very handy for the grand parade at Macksville :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, Thanks for the pictures. Was the showground a horseracing track? The railings make me think that. Dave Croft From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 19:53:22 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:53:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <00a501c49610$eb2685b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> <00a501c49610$eb2685b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <6968295B-020B-11D9-ABB1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Opinions are like noses, and we all have one. There is another word in > that saying to replace noses, and now and then I am called one. When my kids were little, the word "cracks" took the place of the word you've substituted "noses" for in that saying. About that time my youngest, Joe, named one of the major American political parties the "Democracks." His opinion of that party hasn't improved since. :-) (That may not be on topic, but it's topical. Nothing to do with computers, either.) :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From asouth at strato.net Wed Sep 8 21:31:27 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:31:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hurricane Tracking Applet Message-ID: <000e01c49625$e0a606f0$4921d7cc@Arthur> This may be of interest to some of you folks. http://www.nbc-2.com/Hurricane/hurricanetrackingapplet.html Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Sep 9 00:49:15 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:49:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <20040909000534.17067.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: gasoline ! I'll check on the tightness problem when I can. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Either your mains are too tight or they are worn enough that the helical gears that drive the sideshaft are binding. Very common problem, can be properly repaired by jacking up the shaft and repouring the lower mains, or sometimes you can drop the sideshaft a bit by removing the studs that fasten the rear bearing to the base and turning the unthreaded portion of the stud down a little, allowing the bearing to drop down and increase the clearance between the gears. While not a text book perfect solution, most engines have enough slop in them to allow you to get away with it. when all is right, there will be just a little backlash in the helical gearing. How much do you have now? You said that the engine has recast main caps, perhaps the babbitt it a bit tight in the cap, try shimming it first and then run it a while and see if the bearing caps get warm. Those are nice engines, they can run really sweet with a little tinkering. Get some propane hooked up to it, play with the timing and you should be able to get it to run so gently that you will never hear it fire. Christensens are right up there with Foos for engines that are tweakable. Later, Joe --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > No, you don't see the problem - it turns HARDER than heck even before > you > get > into compression. You'll see next Aug. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting > > > Glenn, > > I think I see your problem... > > Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up > onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it > the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the > optimum point to close the valve or compression release. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > > > > > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining > enough > > >charge to fire. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 16:28:03 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad><000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> <1auuj0lgsk41aqds1jng0lntl9ngg015ef@4ax.com> Message-ID: <000701c4964b$5ebd62c0$6c121bd3@athlon> Aw, come on Pete. Ya KNOW wot these yanks are like. Coupla months of snow and cold and they start tearing each other to pieces!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff > >Don, dont let it get to ya. You wait till 'Cabin Fever' sets in!! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Gee, Reggie, I'd like the spare time to get an attack of Cabin fever!! :-)) From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 9 02:34:58 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:34:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <000701c4964b$5ebd62c0$6c121bd3@athlon> References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad><000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> <1auuj0lgsk41aqds1jng0lntl9ngg015ef@4ax.com> <000701c4964b$5ebd62c0$6c121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:03 +1000, you wrote: >Aw, come on Pete. Ya KNOW wot these yanks are like. Coupla months of snow >and cold and they start tearing each other to pieces!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. I found them all to be very urbane and nice chaps - but then I didn't see them once they had downed a few!! :-)) We missed the beer tasting on the Friday evening this year, so weren't faced with a 'legless' Arnie.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 9 03:21:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:21:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things dont get looked at and changed. I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from all over at their own expense. There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. This does not mean that others should not raise things. Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. I wont be there. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep members > away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money on > fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > enjoying myself. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 9 03:57:02 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:57:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint color Gade modle In-Reply-To: <000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41369306.6010805@udata.com> <000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <414036FE.3010700@udata.com> John Hammink wrote: >Leroy, according Wendel's book: > Old style: Dark green 75874. > New style: Red 660. > Du Pont #. > >John Hammink > > OK, I have this number but I only need enough to do two 4.5 inch flywheels.. Tell me what rattle can of paint will be close to what I need. The dude at the paint shop fell of his chair when I told him I only needed a pint $$$$$$$$$$$ Red or Green Like IHC Rustoleum or Hunter Green Craylon. Tell me what you think. Thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Sep 9 04:25:58 2004 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:25:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay In-Reply-To: <3rctj09ejf39ck1hfmstfi5n2fqll2h7kg@4ax.com> References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040909212259.026d2728@mail.netconnect.com.au> I am saddened to hear of Tom's passing. I had the very great fortune to meet him in person at the Henty National Rally some years ago where I was immediately impressed by his sincerity, kindness and gentlemanly manner. He will be a great loss to this country and the engine movement. Regards, Mark Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under in the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Sep 9 04:28:56 2004 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:28:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Greetings to Steve Kitto! In-Reply-To: <003a01c4955c$14741be0$7beefea9@SKitto> References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040909212713.026d25e0@mail.netconnect.com.au> Hello Steve! Glad to see that you are still with us! How are those Villiers going? Breeding more in your shed *grin* Best regards, Mark Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under in the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 9 05:00:57 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:00:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> Reg, Mighty sorry to hear you are not planning to attend. Certainly wish you would reconsider as there are several of us Yanks that are planning on attending this National Ralley. We were really looking forward to seeing and visiting with you again. Besides you DID provide the best beer at last year's beer tasting! I think it is great that you are questioning the costs associated with the event. I find interesting the costs quoted for putting this event on. Not being able to display at this event I am curious at the costs for being spectators at the Ralley. And I certainly hope we'll be allowed inside those bloody fences to have a closer look and to study all the fine Aussie engines. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: >I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM >trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. >The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things >dont get looked at and changed. >I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded >onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from >all over at their own expense. >There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those >who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. >This does not mean that others should not raise things. >Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for >discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. >I wont be there. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "peter ogborne" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM >Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > >>I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep >> >> >members > > >>away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money >> >> >on > > >>fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit >>into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan >>,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and >>enjoying myself. >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 9 06:27:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:27:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint color Gade modle References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41369306.6010805@udata.com><000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <414036FE.3010700@udata.com> Message-ID: <07ef01c49670$bd5ae210$0400a8c0@Dave> > OK, I have this number but I only need enough to do two 4.5 inch > flywheels.. Tell me what rattle can of paint will be close to what I > need. The dude at the paint shop fell of his chair when I told him I > only needed a pint $$$$$$$$$$$ Red or Green Like IHC Rustoleum or > Hunter Green Craylon. Tell me what you think. Thanks > Leroy Clark Hi Leroy, Find another paint store. The one that I go to will mix up a pint of any colo(u)r that I ask for! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 9 06:27:51 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:27:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: 'preciate it, Steve. Never heard of the stuff. Course it's probably been 40+ years since I've put on a WT decal. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of > decal setting solution. > > http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips > (for models but a decal is a decal) > > http://snipurl.com/8xqg > > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > > > > Hi Rick, > > Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. > > I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal > > look. > > And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. > > > > Why make it hard on yourself ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Thu Sep 9 06:58:19 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:58:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems Message-ID: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the rubber piston cups,,,,,, also, cant find/afford a source for brake shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkanas From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 9 07:28:09 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:28:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems References: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <41406879.000001.01544@NOTEBOOK> Aw shucks, What ya need brakes for??? Just gear her down then hit the closest pile of hay!!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/09/04 10:09:41 To: stationary engine list Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the rubber piston cups,,,, , also, cant find/afford a source for brake shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkanas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 07:58:02 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:58:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally References: <200409061004.i86A4ka6005235@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <00e801c4967d$68a775a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Almost as good as a > National Rally and a lot more relaxed. Do they have a dress code at the nat ? From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Sep 9 08:12:36 2004 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:12:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What followed me home. In-Reply-To: <4137515D.7000002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, Sorry for the late reply. I have two of these Hercules 4 cylinder units, military Korean War vintage, engine and generator. The big end of the armature has the flange with the four rubber bushings you speak of but the weight is supported by stub shaft that fits into the flywheel where a pilot bearing would be if there was a clutch. Another important function of this arrangement is the crankshaft thrust is independent of the armature. I would think a solid connection would work but, in addition to angular and center-line alignment, crankshaft end play would have to be split with the set made up. Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:59 AM To: SEL(new) Subject: [SEL] What followed me home. Haven't heard much about what followed the Portland pilgrims home this year so I'll start with one and then ask a question about it that I need some advice on. At the spring swap meet I bought a synchronous generator that make 60 cycles 115 volt power at 52 amps continuos. At the fall Portland show I was looking for a prime mover for it. I looked at some of the Kabota diesels at $900 that were missing the flywheels, starters, and alternators. There were also some sweet 2 cylinder Vee, 17HP Kiwasakee(sp?) engines for $700. Then I found her! A WWII vintage Hercules 4 cylinder stand alone power plant that ran. It was cheap and best of all, it's a kewl looking motor. Looks old, flat head, lots of neat stuff to look at. So home it followed... After her poor starter motor took a swim in Lake Portland I figured I better take that apart and dry the arm and field windings in the oven. I gave the entire engine a good pressure washing and dried the generator too. Missy didn't even grumble (much) when I dried the parts in the oven. Last night I reassembled the starter and generator. Before putting them back on I replaced a leaky valve lifter cover gasket with a new home made cork one. At the show the engine seemed to be running very lean so I took the carb apart and sure enough there was some old gas gum clogging some tiny holes. Everything is back together and she is running great now. (Jim Dunmeyer-mine now runs a little rich too-expecially at slower rpms) I've just finished sketching up an adapter plate to mount the synchronous generator to the bell housing of the Hercules motor. I still need to design the coupling between the flywheel and the synchronous generator. This synchronous generator does not have a bearing on the input side of the shaft. It is designed to be supported by the shaft that is driving it. On the Hercules engine's flywheel are 4 bolt studs sticking out of the face of the flywheel. The there was a plate slid over these studs with big rubber bushings/grommets between the studs and the plate. A nuts squeezed and expanded the rubber to make it a tight fit within the plate. I imagine all this was done to remove power pulses. It would be a whole lot easier to design a solid coupler from the flywheel face to the input shaft of the synchronous generator. But my question is, does anyone know if the power pulses are significant enough to do damage to the armature windings on the synchronous generator? Was this elaborate rubber bushings and floating plate a necessity to make the original synchronous generator last? Or was it simply a coupling to handle misalignment? I think most car clutches have some sort of springs system to remove power pulses. What are your thoughts? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. What followed y'all home? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Sep 8 07:18:10 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:18:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908001744.38623.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys..will give it a go. Curt, Hit&Miss has the Herc decals. later, RickinMt. > Trimming a water WT will not ruin it. If the decal has excess carrier > film it should be trimmed close with a very sharp blade. Also you will > need a smooth gloss surface if you want that decal to stay on and for the > carrier film to dissappear. Also make sure the surface is CLEAN. Wetting > the surface will help prevent trapped air and silvering. > > > > Curt Holland wrote: > Rick, > If you have a good surface behind you will not need to trim your water > transfer decal. It absolutely will disappear as it dries. Beside > trimming would ruin a WT decal. > Curt Holland > P.S. Where can Hercules WT decals be bought? I used all mine on the Herc > saw rig. Need 4 more..... > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Howdy all...live is good!!! > > > > On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the > >transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this > >look. > > > > Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: > >Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I > >have > >the same stencil looking effect? > > > > Appreciate any advise!! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Cheers! NICK > > > Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! > > "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich > Hartmann > > "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 9 09:58:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What followed me home./now carby question References: Message-ID: <41408BB6.5000307@imc-group.com> Jim, Thanks for the reply. It's surprising how many on the list have these versatile Hercules engines. A few days ago I mentioned I was coupling this engine to a synchronous alternator. This weekend I started mounting the engine and generator on the cart. The engine is fixed in it's final location. Here are a couple of pictures of both on a mid-sized Hercules cart (how fitting, a Hercules on a Hercules cart). http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/P9090019a.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/P9090020a.jpg I got ready to make the adapter to attach the alternator to the bell housing but thought I better make sure this engine would run the required 1800 rpm's first. While normally configured to run 1000 rpm's it seems reasonable to expect that a engine with an almost square bore to displacement ratio should be able to turn 1800rpm's. Well there lies the problem! With the governor pulled all the way open it will only reach about 1500 rpm's. Disconnecting the linkage and opening the throttle by hand, I can get it to 1800 but it is spittering and sputtering something terrible. No way it would pull a load. As best I can tell the Marvel Schebler carby has a fixed jet and is intended to be run at a specific speed. There is no adjustment on the carby. It's sure not going to let this engine run at 1800 rpms in it's current configuration. Perhaps it needs a different jet for the higher speed/air velocity. Does anyone on the list know anything about these Marvel Schebler carburetors and how to size jets? Other than that the only solution I see is to go to the local used tractor parts place and find a comparable updraft carby that has an adjustment for fuel ratio like you typically see on a tractor. Any thoughts guys? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim Dragoset wrote: >Curt, >Sorry for the late reply. >I have two of these Hercules 4 cylinder units, military Korean War vintage, >engine and generator. >The big end of the armature has the flange with the four rubber bushings you >speak of but the >weight is supported by stub shaft that fits into the flywheel where a pilot >bearing would be >if there was a clutch. Another important function of this arrangement is the >crankshaft thrust >is independent of the armature. I would think a solid connection would work >but, in addition to >angular and center-line alignment, crankshaft end play would have to be >split with the set made up. > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 9 11:20:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:20:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems Message-ID: <20040909.143523.716.12.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, I don't think the GM truck parts should be that hard to find. There are many "duce-and-a-halfs" and "5 tons" on the road. I can't help you with a shop but there is a site for Snider's Antique Ford Parts. I would imagine there is a like site for GM. You might have to find a parts place that will work with you and get cylinder repair parts by size instead of just looking up numbers. How about a local bearing supply? You might be surprised what they carry. Maybe research a few "Antique Trucks" magazines. ? Best I can offer. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 13:30:07 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:30:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Who was asking about a model oilfield ? References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004001c496ab$cc8bbb20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/images/IFAUC2004/Models_070.JPG From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Sep 9 13:30:55 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:30:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Schedule References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com><002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> <413F4870.2080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004f01c496ab$ee52e300$bef5f504@x8h7l9> For Curt Holland, I will be planning a trip to Hickory and Moorsvill NC the next 6 months. Please let me know if there are any showes in this area. Thanks. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 9 13:45:35 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:45:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> <414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002501c496ae$54808040$590d1bd3@athlon> > And I certainly hope we'll be allowed inside those bloody fences to have > a closer look and to study all the fine Aussie engines. As it stands, you will NOT be allowed in any compound where there are exhibits. This is the ruling of the NHMA. Check with them. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 14:39:24 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] LB's in the street References: <413F209A.000005.00676@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <005c01c496b5$7a5ed9e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////sob And Driving to my dads yesterday I saw a complete one with oil bath sticking out of a cement mixer . Asked the neighbor , he said he had no idea what it was but he wanted 2 grand for it . wahooah . I told him to call me if he cant find someone to get it running . Multiple lawn/leaf bags of empty lone star beer cans holding his garbage cans down lead me to believe it might prove very frustrating indeed to get started .Its been 15 years since she last surfaced and aint been run yet . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 14:59:13 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:59:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] stale beer and moss References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> <027101c491ce$9373d930$aaca7043@solar> Message-ID: <010001c496b8$3fabf780$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > > > keep the moss growing: > > > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing sucks > > > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. that copper tubing needs some patination as well , very unsightly some might even use the term "gay" Chuck From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 9 15:52:06 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] decal question please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040909225206.15662.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Be careful, not all decals react the same to that stuff. Some will wrinkle up and be ruined! Richard Strobel wrote: 'preciate it, Steve. Never heard of the stuff. Course it's probably been 40+ years since I've put on a WT decal. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of > decal setting solution. > > http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips > (for models but a decal is a decal) > > http://snipurl.com/8xqg > > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > > > > Hi Rick, > > Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. > > I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal > > look. > > And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. > > > > Why make it hard on yourself ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:10:11 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:40:11 +0930 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <011301c496c4$60ae2b40$10affea9@SKitto> Reg I will be sorry you wont be there. I was going to offer you free accommodation and meals. I would disagree that the costs are being loaded onto those ehibitors who are lovers of old iron. The costs to exhibit are minimal If I went to any rally I would expect to have costs. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM > trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. > The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things > dont get looked at and changed. > I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded > onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from > all over at their own expense. > There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those > who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. > This does not mean that others should not raise things. > Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for > discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. > I wont be there. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM > Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep > members > > away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money > on > > fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > > into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > > ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > > enjoying myself. > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:16:14 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:46:14 +0930 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> <414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> Curt Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the engine compound. This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do with liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by the insurer and NHMA. I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, but I can find out. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > Reg, > Mighty sorry to hear you are not planning to attend. Certainly wish you > would reconsider as there are several of us Yanks that are planning on > attending this National Ralley. We were really looking forward to seeing > and visiting with you again. Besides you DID provide the best beer at > last year's beer tasting! > I think it is great that you are questioning the costs associated with > the event. I find interesting the costs quoted for putting this event > on. Not being able to display at this event I am curious at the costs > for being spectators at the Ralley. > And I certainly hope we'll be allowed inside those bloody fences to have > a closer look and to study all the fine Aussie engines. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > >I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM > >trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. > >The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things > >dont get looked at and changed. > >I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded > >onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from > >all over at their own expense. > >There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those > >who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. > >This does not mean that others should not raise things. > >Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for > >discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. > >I wont be there. > > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "peter ogborne" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM > >Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > > > > > > >>I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep > >> > >> > >members > > > > > >>away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money > >> > >> > >on > > > > > >>fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > >>into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > >>,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > >>enjoying myself. > >>Peter Ogborne > >>Little Grove ,Albany > >>West Australia > >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >>jopeter at omninet.net.au > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:00:20 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:30:20 +0930 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <011201c496c4$5f99fc20$10affea9@SKitto> Peter, I will look forward to meeting you. It will be a great event, there is a lot of enthusiasm, and the cost per exhibitor are minimal depending on what you take as options with meals. This is anticipated to be one of the largest events ever seen in this part of the country and the locals are right behind it. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep members > away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money on > fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > enjoying myself. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:23:44 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:53:44 +0930 Subject: [SEL] OT - Greetings to Steve Kitto! References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> <5.1.0.14.0.20040909212713.026d25e0@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <011501c496c4$6319ad00$10affea9@SKitto> Greetings Mark I have been a sleeper on the list for a while, and was off of it for quite a time. Life has been very busy. New ventures in the church which I minister, family stuff, we have a very unwell daughter at the moment which takes some time out., etc have slowed down my involvement in the hobby. We still have a large collection of Villiers. Daniel is not doing much with them at the moment. He works on engines and motor bikes all day, has a girlfriend, is now 21, so has come down to me. I have been playing with the R&T's, made a bead blaster from our old dishwasher, and that has been it. Hoping to be at the Centenary rally in October. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kennedy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Greetings to Steve Kitto! > Hello Steve! Glad to see that you are still with us! > > How are those Villiers going? Breeding more in your shed *grin* > > Best regards, > > Mark > > > Mark Kennedy > Ballarat, Victoria, Australia > > Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy > > 'Training Down Under in the majesty of the South Australian Railways' > > *********************************************************** > Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in > error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using > attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, > damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or > not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files > our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any > representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Sep 9 16:31:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:31:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040909225206.15662.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c496c5$2d455a20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> The best way to put on those decals is just to pour a few drops liquid soap in the water, when done you can move the decal at any place you want. Are you satisfied with the place where it sits, leave it and drink a nice cup of coffee. Walking back to the shed and chewing the last remains of your cookie, you will see the decal sits perfect on the hopper ( looks like factory work ) :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Be careful, not all decals react the same to that stuff. Some will wrinkle up and be ruined! > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > 'preciate it, Steve. Never heard of the stuff. Course it's probably been > 40+ years since I've put on a WT decal. > > Take Care, > Rick -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 17:08:14 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:08:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's E-mail Address Message-ID: <00d901c496ca$458ec080$240110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone please send me Keith's e-mail address. Thanks From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 9 18:58:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:58:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Message-ID: <001e01c496d9$bc9f4280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Just got this updated. Need a break and a good laugh then check it out. http://frapa.us/Mil/Mil.html Enjoy, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 19:21:04 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:21:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <001e01c496d9$bc9f4280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Enjoyed it Jeff, Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Hello all, Just got this updated. Need a break and a good laugh then check it out. http://frapa.us/Mil/Mil.html From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 9 19:29:56 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:29:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <414111A4.000001.01880@NOTEBOOK> Good job Jeff - needed a good belly laugh!!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/09/04 22:23:10 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Enjoyed it Jeff, Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Hello all, Just got this updated. Need a break and a good laugh then check it out. http://frapa.us/Mil/Mil.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 9 19:43:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:43:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's E-mail Address Message-ID: <20040909.224343.1004.7.jlb94@juno.com> This is what I have. kkinney at herculesengines.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Sep 9 21:42:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:42:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <002501c496ae$54808040$590d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200409100443.i8A4hHdm065881@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> With a bit of forward planning this can be worked around. When Nick came out for the last National we signed him up as a member of a local club therefore he had NHMA insurance and was quite legal in the compound. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- As it stands, you will NOT be allowed in any compound where there are exhibits. This is the ruling of the NHMA. Check with them. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 10 04:15:37 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:15:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon><414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> Message-ID: <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> G'Day Steve and All Patrick stole my thunder but I would like a say if I may This subject has been on the SEL for months now and the efforts of some have seen the National Rally Committee re-look at some issues, to their credit they did, some improvements some no change so be it. Instead of a negative answer from several it would be would have been better to show our international friends how hospitable us Aussies really are, this is the first attempt by several of our SEL group to cross the pond and see us and our great OZ engines as we are. The amount of bickering about our biggest rally should end, we have the rules you either go or no go. Insurance, bloody fences, and all the other crap does not stop us from having a great time at any of the rallies I have been to and will not stop the Yanks or any other international visitor from doing the same, I will make sure of that. > Curt > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the engine compound. > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do with > liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by the insurer and > NHMA. > CRAP, Insurance is about money, pay the money and you can do anything, All they have to do is join a club for a year, pay the fees and become a member and go anywhere. I tried to ring the Rally Committee tonight with out success and will try again over the weekend, if they will not allow international visitors to become members of their club ours would welcome them with open arms.If they have come from overseas $20 should not be a great Burdon if it is some of us would fix that I am sure. When I went to the Portland Rally Indiana I joined the local club for a year not because I had to but to get a felling of belonging and to be part of it. I would be disappointed of any of us Aussie SEL members could not make it to the Rally for the wrong reasons and more disappointed if our international members did not come because of the crap we have been on about. So my Aussie friends it is time to get FAIR DINKUM and start talking about the real issues. Who is going Who is taking engines Can we get a SEL area as per the last National, and how many would use it What other activities can we interest our international friends while they are with us. etc. etc I will gratefully get off my box now in the hope I have not offended but opened a new direction for discussion. Kerry PS. Steve welcome back to the LIST From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Sep 10 04:55:44 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:55:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From adamcottrill at telstra.com Fri Sep 10 04:57:05 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:57:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! Message-ID: <9c9bca9c565d.9c565d9c9bca@email.bigpond.com> Hi Everyone, I'm like everyone else it seems disapointed Reg has decided not to make the trip to the National, although not having met with Reg personally before I was scincerly hoping to and have a good old chat and a beer. Reg like everyone else on this list is entitled to his opinion and I assure you being on the organising committee of the National Rally Regs Comments where tabled and read out as vaild realistic points call it constructive criticisum if you will. In the end you will have noted the changes that have occured because of Reg's doing (he was right!!!) and I have mentioned many times before he is to be congratulated in having the guts to speak up!!! and I hope more who feel there are issues pertaining to the rally will do so as well. In regards to entering the compounds I would like to clarify the "insurance ruling" is as some put it is that you are required to have a current NHMA card OR eqivilent to $10million public liability. This may mean you have a private policy as long as its 10mill public liability YOUR IN!!!. Of course you will need to provide a certificate of currency to prove this. My suggestion to those comming from Overseas who want to enter the compounds join the club pay your $12 insurance fee. If you look on the webpage and download the registration from you will not a point if you would like insurance provided tick the box send the money. If anyone has questions about the insurance or National please do not hesitate to contact me and place in the subject National Rally so I can seperate it from the increasing amount of spam im getting at the moment. Also a point of note is the Insurance will have a stand at the national to answer all your questions directly. Reg I do hope you might reconsider your stance on this and Id hope you'd like to see what you have influenced overall to be a great event. The entry fees are still being confirmed my estimation on what I know now is they will be around $10-$15 per day with an all weekend pass being offered im not sure what price this will arrive at but I would suspect it would be less than the three days combined. Kind regards. Adam Cottrill 10th NHMA National Rally Safety Co-ordinator From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Sep 10 05:00:58 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:00:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <200409101201.i8AC10dm058078@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> I have swung from definitely not going to Naracoorte to seriously considering it (which means I will be there). Now I have the new tow vehicle I have the ability to tow something all the way there without any worries. I might even get inspired and finish a couple of the projects I have almost finished. I will make sure that any list member who comes into Sydney on their way to Naracoorte is looked after and they will get to meet some great people here and see some pretty special engine collections. Patrick (Is that positive enough Kerry?) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 10 05:04:50 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:04:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101201.i8AC10dm058078@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <009e01c4972e$6061d2d0$4609a4cb@km> You have done well > I have swung from definitely not going to Naracoorte to seriously > considering it (which means I will be there). Now I have the new tow vehicle > I have the ability to tow something all the way there without any worries. I > might even get inspired and finish a couple of the projects I have almost > finished. > I will make sure that any list member who comes into Sydney on their way to > Naracoorte is looked after and they will get to meet some great people here > and see some pretty special engine collections. > Patrick > > (Is that positive enough Kerry?) > > Patrick M Livingstone > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Sep 10 05:14:50 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:14:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally and others Message-ID: <001501c4972f$c94e1050$3da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Adam .........I am led to believe that there is a rally at Mt Barker the week end preceding the National . As i and several others from the south of WA will more than likely go to the Mt Barker rally can you advise what is required to participate . As i seem to be the only one on the SEL list from WA i will pass on any info you could kindly supply. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 10 05:22:48 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:22:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! References: <9c9bca9c565d.9c565d9c9bca@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <00b901c49730$e2f778b0$4609a4cb@km> Sorry Adam I forgot you were part of the committee Thank you , that clears up the Insurance / entry to compound for our visitors and for $9 US. great depending on numbers of SEL members that will bring engines is it possible for a space for the SEL group as per the last national Kerry > > Hi Everyone, > I'm like everyone else it seems disapointed Reg has decided not to make the trip to the National, although not having met with Reg personally before I was scincerly hoping to and have a good old chat and a beer. > > Reg like everyone else on this list is entitled to his opinion and I assure you being on the organising committee of the National Rally Regs Comments where tabled and read out as vaild realistic points call it constructive criticisum if you will. In the end you will have noted the changes that have occured because of Reg's doing (he was right!!!) and I have mentioned many times before he is to be congratulated in having the guts to speak up!!! and I hope more who feel there are issues pertaining to the rally will do so as well. > > In regards to entering the compounds I would like to clarify the "insurance ruling" is as some put it is that you are required to have a current NHMA card OR eqivilent to $10million public liability. This may mean you have a private policy as long as its 10mill public liability YOUR IN!!!. Of course you will need to provide a certificate of currency to prove this. > > My suggestion to those comming from Overseas who want to enter the compounds join the club pay your $12 insurance fee. If you look on the webpage and download the registration from you will not a point if you would like insurance provided tick the box send the money. > > If anyone has questions about the insurance or National please do not hesitate to contact me and place in the subject National Rally so I can seperate it from the increasing amount of spam im getting at the moment. > > Also a point of note is the Insurance will have a stand at the national to answer all your questions directly. > > Reg I do hope you might reconsider your stance on this and Id hope you'd like to see what you have influenced overall to be a great event. > > The entry fees are still being confirmed my estimation on what I know now is they will be around $10-$15 per day with an all weekend pass being offered im not sure what price this will arrive at but I would suspect it would be less than the three days combined. > > Kind regards. > Adam Cottrill > 10th NHMA National Rally > Safety Co-ordinator > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 10 06:45:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:45:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples> <414111A4.000001.01880@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002d01c4973c$77be2b00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> try www.craneaccidents.com look for the page owners shots of himself pinned under his loader . Be careful with the heavy stuff eh ? From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 10 07:15:42 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:15:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: I wonder if club members are allowed behind the fences if they are there only as a spectator? If club members are allowed behind the fences, then maybe the solution for Curt and others is to become a club member. George > Curt > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the > engine compound. > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do > with liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by > the insurer and NHMA. > > I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, > but I can find out. > > Steve From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 10 07:27:24 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:27:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: Oops! Sorry about posting this. One of the problems of responding to a topic before you've read ALL the mail in your inbox. George Ps... Actually the National Rally sounds kind of interesting. I assume that Curt is going, but who else is going from the U.S.? > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > George Best > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:16 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > I wonder if club members are allowed behind the fences if > they are there only as a spectator? > > If club members are allowed behind the fences, then maybe the > solution for Curt and others is to become a club member. > > George > > > > Curt > > > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the engine > > compound. > > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do with > > liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by the insurer > > and NHMA. > > > > I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, but I > > can find out. > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 10 09:10:32 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon><414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <4141D1F8.7000507@imc-group.com> Kerry, Whew! Good to hear something positive about the Rally. From where I am sitting I was seriously beginning to have second thoughts. With the "exorbitant costs", the long travel distances, and then learning I would not be permitted to even get close and look at the engines (a good percentage of the reason we are going) , I was beginning to have some real reservations about attending. Between your email and Adam's email I have a much better feeling about the event. If I have to pay $12AU for the privilege to look at engines up close then so be it. It is insignificant compared to the total cost of the trip. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Kerry wrote: >G'Day Steve and All > >Patrick stole my thunder but I would like a say if I may >This subject has been on the SEL for months now and the efforts of some have >seen the National Rally Committee re-look at some issues, to their credit >they did, some improvements some no change so be it. >Instead of a negative answer from several it would be would have been better >to show our international friends how hospitable us Aussies really are, this >is the first attempt by several of our SEL group to cross the pond and see >us and our great OZ engines as we are. The amount of bickering about our >biggest rally should end, we have the rules you either go or no go. >Insurance, bloody fences, and all the other crap does not stop us from >having a great time at any of the rallies I have been to and will not stop >the Yanks or any other international visitor from doing the same, I will >make sure of that. > > > >>C >> From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 10 06:37:47 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:37:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help References: Message-ID: <000c01c4973b$5c6c90e0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help > Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? > I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a 5/6 throttle > governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to > find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? > George Hi George, This Bamford is one I owned about 15 years ago. I swapped it for a Danish 5HP BLA with my friend Jens Lauritsen. see http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW Jens & his wife have since passed away & the site of the engine is now unknown. Dave Croft England From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 10 09:37:31 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:37:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help Message-ID: Thanks for sharing the pictures Dave. I'm guessing your engine was a hit&miss version although the pictures didn't have close-up pictures of the governor or mixer. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Croft > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Best" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:35 PM > Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help > > > > Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? > > I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a > 5/6 throttle > > governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to > > find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? > > George > > Hi George, This Bamford is one I owned about 15 years ago. > I swapped it for a Danish 5HP BLA with my friend Jens Lauritsen. > see http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW > Jens & his wife have since passed away & the site of the engine is > now unknown. > Dave Croft > England > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 10 09:48:01 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:48:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - Which Yanks are attending? References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon><414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <4141DAC1.7020400@imc-group.com> Though nearly 6 months away, would it be possible for those US, SEL members considering attending the Australian National Rally speak up. If we all know who each other are, perhaps we can help each other out with accommodations, flight deals, exchange rate issues, etc. I imagine a lot of the trip planning details could be discussed off list and copying all parties in those emails would be very beneficial. This will be our first significant international trip and I welcome all the input I can get. We're in! Curt and Missy Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 10 10:36:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:36:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! References: <9c9bca9c565d.9c565d9c9bca@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <099e01c4975c$b53a51a0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi Everyone, > I'm like everyone else it seems disapointed Reg has decided not to make the trip to the National, although not having met with Reg personally before I was scincerly hoping to and have a good old chat and a beer. > Kind regards. > Adam Cottrill > 10th NHMA National Rally > Safety Co-ordinator Hi Adam (and others from OZ), Since I'm not from OZ I will not comment on the strange customs that you seem to have regarding fencing and insurance at your shows. However, I do need to warn all of you Down Under that if Reg changes his mind and decides to attend the National (and I hope that he will) you should lock up your daughters and put chastity belts on your wives! I would also suggest that you not bend over to look closely at any engine. The sheep in the area of the National will, however, be just fine--all of them at Portland are still smiling from Reg's visit over a year ago! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 10 12:39:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:39:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY In-Reply-To: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <1094845143.414202d7d1cb1@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Bill, Have a care. The "For Sale" engine prices in the first GEM will kill ya! See ya, Arnie Quoting Bill Dickerson : > GEM Issue 1 #1, I'd like to see that - I have some old uns, but not THAT > old. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 10 12:42:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:42:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> Message-ID: <1094845353.414203a946936@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Don, I think I've missed some of the recent list email. I've gotten all of the computer ones, but I seem to have missed the "babe photo" ones. Please forward those to me off-list. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Don Riedel : > Funny how people accept "on target" off color remarks and babe pictures but > hate "geeks". From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 10 13:08:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:08:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <00cc01c49590$a1bec5c0$5fe131d2@km> References: <00cc01c49590$a1bec5c0$5fe131d2@km> Message-ID: <1094846927.414209cf9e6d2@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Kerry, I don't think this standard applies to individuals making personal shipments. > WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THESE MEASURES? > These regulations will not only affect pallet, box, and crate > manufacturers/users, but also anyone shipping lumber over seas > using solid wood skids and sticks. Note that the lumber isn't affected, but only the skids for it!! See ya, Arnie Arnine Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Kerry : > For the full story on International freighting of wood for ALL our countries > see > > http://www.dhx.com/ispm15.cfm?CFID=500869&CFTOKEN=58279712 From mgomaize at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 13:59:41 2004 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Pageant of Power - Greenfiled Village Message-ID: <20040910205941.49165.qmail@web81208.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, I plan on attending this show Oct. 2-3. I will be taking my engines for sure, and was hoping someone who has been there could tell me what to expact from a tractor perspective. I have a 1937 Farmall F-20 on steel. Having not been to the show before, I do not know if they allow steel wheels on the museum grounds. If they do not, I may bring it anyway and leave it and my engines on the trailer, which would save the trouble of taking my engines off the trailer as I usually do (big trailer, not many engines). If anyone has been there in the past, I would appreciate any ideas you have. Thanks, Tony ===== ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf From mgomaize at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 14:01:57 2004 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Pageant of Power - Greenfiled Village Message-ID: <20040910210157.18152.qmail@web81204.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, I plan on attending this show Oct. 2-3. I will be taking my engines for sure, and was hoping someone who has been there could tell me what to expact from a tractor perspective. I have a 1937 Farmall F-20 on steel. Having not been to the show before, I do not know if they allow steel wheels on the museum grounds. If they do not, I may bring it anyway and leave it and my engines on the trailer, which would save the trouble of taking my engines off the trailer as I usually do (big trailer, not many engines). If anyone has been there in the past, I would appreciate any ideas you have. Thanks, Tony ===== ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 10 15:28:49 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:28:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems In-Reply-To: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Bill, type these three words (military vehicles forum) into Google. You'll find a bunch of places to ask folks who've scrounged up stuff for these old things. John On Sep 9, 2004, at 9:58 AM, Bill Boyce wrote: > hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, > having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for > wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the > rubber piston cups,,,,,, also, cant find/afford a source for brake > shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs > real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, > should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkanas John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Fri Sep 10 15:59:40 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:59:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally and others References: <001501c4972f$c94e1050$3da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003d01c49789$e0812410$9c218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Good on you Peter .........Do as we ,who went to your top National in Busselton then on to Wyalkatchem along with all the History / Military / Car / Tractor and all else in your State . The $4000 all up return trip was a stretch , but the rally and new friends made up for that . Six of us From the same club in the Hunter Valley met at Port Augusta and travelled together from there a good time was I believe had by all , and at that tine none of us were members of the NHMA . Regards, Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: [SEL] re National Rally and others > Adam .........I am led to believe that there is a rally at Mt Barker the > week end preceding the National . As i and several others from the south of > WA will more than likely go to the Mt Barker rally can you advise what is > required to participate . > As i seem to be the only one on the SEL list from WA i will pass on any info > you could kindly supply. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Sep 10 16:34:31 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:34:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally Itinerary Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040911091907.00b69198@mail.ncable.com.au> Have been keeping a little quiet on this debate as costs don't effect me so much; I'm only about 4 hours away from Naracorte. I'll eat my own crap and sleep on the ground in my swag. .............. However for the many who will choose to travel to the National and are traveling close by my way. I will do my best to welcome a visit to chat engines and maybe start something up etc etc. Plus I recon a cold beer would also be waiting in my shed. (I owe Morris a couple already) At this stage I will most deffinately be attending. If this is to change it will only be due to my business comittments. I have visited quite a few Aussie members, (they know who they are) It was a great experience and one that if I can do the same in return I will. This also goes for the many members i have not met. You international SEL members who are planing to come; once you decide where abouts in Australia you are going to land, you could then call upon a few Aussies to help out with some good itinerary to make the most of your trip. I'm sure I am not the only one inviting people to drop by. Should you also be traveling close by I will try and make time to play engines etc. There is always a lot more positives to come out of a long trip when the total cost is balanced out over more than the rally itself. cheers, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 10 17:21:38 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:21:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking of doing sneaky underhand things?) Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they were running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules are rules, and dont you ever forget it!! Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You know that! Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife and children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you inside the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in there.. This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows if this were the case? (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise the full impact of what I am saying.) I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you go to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it wont get any better on the road we are following. It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I am capable of giving. I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine things. Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside the rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things are going. Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > > Patrick M Livingstone From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 10 18:22:03 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:22:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Message-ID: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Sep 10 18:31:42 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:31:42 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed References: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4142557E.000006.03328@NOTEBOOK> Hey Paul, Do you have a boot disc somewhere???? That should have the operating system on it and will enable the cd to be read. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/10/04 21:23:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 10 18:33:45 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:33:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed References: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <0a2801c4979f$626fe0f0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. > Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Paul Hi Paul, I sure hope that you got a kiss with what you bought because it sounds as if you got what usually goes with a kiss! Dave From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Sep 10 18:37:19 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:37:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001001c4979f$e1bd72a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , I finally got a chance to sit down and look at the pictures you took . Dinauc17 , meet the wife ,Charlene , and with my back turned , Ivan So was the corn chopper what you expected ? From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Fri Sep 10 18:37:34 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:37:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples><414111A4.000001.01880@NOTEBOOK> <002d01c4973c$77be2b00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <007d01c4979f$ea066b60$b4c57040@user> Someone was looking for the forklift lifting another forklift. It is on here at http://www.craneaccidents.com/dummy/stupid.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? try www.craneaccidents.com look for the page owners shots of himself pinned under his loader . Be careful with the heavy stuff eh ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 18:53:52 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting some info would be better here. I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is worth that. So, here are my questions: First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard because you don't seem them traded very often. Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for this one? As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical choice. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! Later, Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Sep 10 18:55:07 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:55:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: Message-ID: <004101c497a2$5dd012b0$8a63fea9@sweeper> George Full club members would have insurance cover and hence be allowed in the compounds whether they were showing an engine or not. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > I wonder if club members are allowed behind the fences if they are there > only as a spectator? > > If club members are allowed behind the fences, then maybe the solution > for Curt and others is to become a club member. > > George > > > > Curt > > > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the > > engine compound. > > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do > > with liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by > > the insurer and NHMA. > > > > I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, > > but I can find out. > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Sep 10 19:00:59 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:00:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <004c01c497a3$2f494190$8a63fea9@sweeper> Unfortunately common sense in the eyes of the lawyers and law takes the back stalls. This is one of the reasons the NHMA can only issue guidelines which must be read in conjunction with local and State laws. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Sep 10 19:10:39 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:10:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Haulage Message-ID: <007701c497a4$88b1f050$8a63fea9@sweeper> Patrick Now this is what you need. Ron http://community.webshots.com/photo/120890111/186106230fVPTKJ From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 20:16:36 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed In-Reply-To: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <002c01c497ad$c7258dc0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> You will probably need to go into the system bios and change the boot sequence. There should be a message for a particular key to hit as soon as you turn it on to direct you into the bios. Some refer to it as the "system setup". Once in the configuration screen, you should be able to move around the various screens and find the default boot sequence. Make sure the CD is first followed by the harddrive. Save the changes and turn your laptop off and then back on. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 10 20:18:43 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:18:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics 4U Message-ID: <200409110318.i8B3Inep098071@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> The subject says it all... http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04 From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 20:29:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:29:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Corn thesher and had to share. Message-ID: <002701c497af$926c0440$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, I have no clue why my sites come up on search engines, but they seem to quite often. Just got an e-mail from someone who purchased an old farm near here. Found a 1919 corn thresher and wants it to go away for free. I think my club will soon be the new owner of this piece of history. Good news is to be shared. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From adamcottrill at telstra.com Fri Sep 10 20:25:39 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:25:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Holland Message-ID: <9cc2869d275e.9d275e9cc286@email.bigpond.com> Hi Curt, got your email but when I replied it got booted back do you have another address I can mail to? Cheers, Adam From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 10 20:58:02 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:58:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oz Museum Needs Help With IH 3HP M Engine Message-ID: This gent's not on the List. He could use some help with his M. I've addressed some of his basic questions offlist, but he's gonna need more help. Some of you Ozzies might be especially helpful with parts sources, etc. John Begin forwarded message: > From: "Brian Taylor" > Date: September 10, 2004 11:02:58 PM EDT > To: > Subject: IH 3m Engine > Reply-To: "Brian Taylor" > > Hi John > I work at the Hervey Bay Historical Society Museum as a volunteer and > we have decided to restore a stationary engine that we have. > I have been trying to indentify it and could just make out the words > International Harvester on the alloy plate on the top. > Searching the web I came across your site and have determined that it > is a 3 HP. Model "M" the same as yours. > We are starting the strip down next week. I have soaked all external > nuts and moving parts with penetrating oil. > We can rotate the large wheels ok and the exhaust valve gear seems to > operate ok. > The inlet valve can be pushed in easily on its spring. > We know nothing about restoring old engines, so any assistance you can > offer would be most appreciated.? > I am a retired motor engineer so have general knowledge in this area. > ? How does one extract the large keys from the flywheels? > ? Is the fuel inlet at the end of the machine? > ? I assume this engine started on petrol and was then switched over to > kero? > ? Underneath the cam gear, there is a cam which seems to operate a > spring loaded pump of some kind. > Is this some kind of fuel injector? > ? There are 3 controls on the "carburettor"...One marked GAS, one > marked WAT and one for OIL? > Does WAT stand for water? > ? > I am sure I will have lots more questions John, any help you can give > will be most appreciated. > ? > Brian Taylor > 163/7 Bay Drive > Pialba > Hervey Bay > Queensland 4655 > Australia > ? > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Sat Sep 11 00:43:05 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] National Rally - Which Yanks are attending? In-Reply-To: <4141DAC1.7020400@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040911074305.23731.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there. :) Curt Holland wrote: Though nearly 6 months away, would it be possible for those US, SEL members considering attending the Australian National Rally speak up. If we all know who each other are, perhaps we can help each other out with accommodations, flight deals, exchange rate issues, etc. I imagine a lot of the trip planning details could be discussed off list and copying all parties in those emails would be very beneficial. This will be our first significant international trip and I welcome all the input I can get. We're in! Curt and Missy Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Sep 11 03:38:13 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:38:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally SEL Compound Message-ID: <9d66ff9d3a1b.9d3a1b9d66ff@email.bigpond.com> Hi Kerry, No appologies needed mate, if the SEL want a compound let me know Ill slot one in. But that being said alot of guys I know will be attending with and representing there clubs in a specific club compound??? which do you want? club or sel? The alternative is a private meeting place for the SEL Im sure can arrange this with no problems but of coure I will wait for the direction of the SEL over all before I approach the committee with this. Let me know what you want gents. Cheers, Adam From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Sep 11 03:42:47 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:42:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 Message-ID: <9d100d9d082f.9d082f9d100d@email.bigpond.com> Hey Dave, I will be personally passing on your letter to the Committe to be read out at the meeting this Thursday. Thanks for the heads up message as per below! Hi Adam (and others from OZ), Since I'm not from OZ I will not comment on the strange customs that you seem to have regarding fencing and insurance at your shows. However, I do need to warn all of you Down Under that if Reg changes his mind and decides to attend the National (and I hope that he will) you should lock up your daughters and put chastity belts on your wives! I would also suggest that you not bend over to look closely at any engine. The sheep in the area of the National will, however, be just fine--all of them at Portland are still smiling from Reg's visit over a year ago! Dave Kind regards, Adam P.S I was kidding that is unless you want me to.....? From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Sep 11 03:57:06 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:57:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> Hi Reg and everyone, Mate again you have raised in a round about way a point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is difficult? You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly about your concerns. The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. Kind regards, Adam From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 11 07:52:41 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:52:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Otis Bros. engine Message-ID: <200409111452.i8BEqjep074861@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Just outta curiosity... Has anyone ever seen, or know the existance of, an Otis Bros. engine? Since I am now one of their loyal subjects, it would be interesting to see one of their engines. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From nick at holden1.net Sat Sep 11 09:02:28 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:02:28 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41432194.000001.03512@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> if its any help Titans are going for around ?13000 at sales over heir in England Nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/11/04 03:08:05 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting some info would be better here. I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is worth that. So, here are my questions: First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard because you don't seem them traded very often. Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for this one? As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical choice. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! Later, Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 09:12:38 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:12:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed In-Reply-To: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040911091158.00c24410@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, do you have the bios set to boot the CD? Bob Holtzer At 08:22 PM 9/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you >are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. > >I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, >sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I >really like. > >As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and >one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use >it for >school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and >installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the >change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. > >I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on >expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I >got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message >"Operating System not Found" > >Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a >new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still >get the same thing "Operating System not Found" > >Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix >it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 11:35:57 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:35:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? Chuck Emsweller Bessemer Fairbanks Caille Hercules -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam Cottrill Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Hi Reg and everyone, Mate again you have raised in a round about way a point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is difficult? You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly about your concerns. The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. Kind regards, Adam _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Sep 11 11:59:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:59:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <3ni6k09sdqn9bsiu9eimiqs5g47dgtsrvu@4ax.com> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:35:57 -0500, you wrote: >So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine >show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? >Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > >Chuck Emsweller I think you will find that it only applies to those wanting access to the engine enclosures, Chuck, not to the general public access places and walkways. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Sat Sep 11 15:24:09 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:54:09 +0930 Subject: [SEL] national rally - naracoorte Message-ID: <001c01c4984e$27af7de0$eee5fea9@SKitto> To those from Oz who are coming and want exhibit space as a group, let me know and I will make sure it is organised. To help, mark your registration form clearly as "ATIS/ OLD Engine Group" I will inform the registration people that this will happen Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 11 16:00:41 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:00:41 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002c01c49853$2d9455a0$9ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to going to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could stand in the launch pad with out insurance! ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > Chuck Emsweller > Bessemer > Fairbanks > Caille > Hercules > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > Cottrill > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is > difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly > about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Sep 11 17:40:28 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:40:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <006301c49861$1a26da20$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hear Hear Adam. It is great that the insurers are going to be at the rally. It will not only give the NHMA members a chance to talk to them direct but will give the insurers first hand information on how we conduct rallies. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Sat Sep 11 17:57:53 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 0:57:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <391s2r$8pm0ia@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? Thanks, J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 11 19:46:51 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:46:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0a8d01c49872$c225b000$0400a8c0@Dave> I always liked the looks of the Titan > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. > Later, > Joe Hi Joe, This alone is reason enough for you to buy the Titan! The 10-20 was built from 1915 to 1922. A total of 78,363 of them were built during that time period--and only 76,310 other models of the Titan were built during that period. The 10-20 weighs 255 lbs. per HP. Dave PS, For any LIBERALS on the List the 255 lbs. per HP equates to 5,700 lbs! From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 21:19:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:19:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002a01c4987f$b8dcc080$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Chuck, I think you nailed it. Seems to be about money and this whole damn thing has been about money. I'm not even sure what an engine compound is and don't care to know. A few views of what I have attended is what I consider normal. Listers running. Notice the security rope. Can I get on the trailer and look with the owner? YES! http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault17.html Would this be considered inside the engine compound? http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault30.html My side of the pull area had no rope. Required some common sense to stay out of the way. http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays/Cd22.html We not only enjoyed the steam tractors, we got to participate. No membership, no insurance card, and a modest entry fee as a visitor. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BirdCity/BirdCity31.html I think there are some great people down under, but their rules and regulations are completely insane. My advice for the next Nat Rally. Put up six foot fences with pictures of engines on the front side. Run battery operated cd players with a cd of the engine running behind the fence. Battery operated for safety of course. Electricity can be fatal. Charge the visitors a bunch of money and save those that put on the show the time and trouble of bringing their engines. Works for me. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > Chuck Emsweller > Bessemer > Fairbanks > Caille > Hercules > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > Cottrill > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is > difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly > about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sun Sep 12 00:45:13 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:45:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson Message-ID: <003801c4989c$711072c0$eca557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> Could Bill Dickerson please contact me off list please reguarding flywheels and crank. cheers Mick Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sun Sep 12 04:33:31 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:33:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <002c01c49853$2d9455a0$9ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment and would continue to run them at will without fence or special insurance. The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping in and scaring us all away from our hobby! Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you are on the right track! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to going to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could stand in the launch pad with out insurance! ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > Chuck Emsweller > Bessemer > Fairbanks > Caille > Hercules > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > Cottrill > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is > difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly > about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Sep 12 05:42:49 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:42:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Not sent???? Message-ID: <9de2b69df4a8.9df4a89de2b6@email.bigpond.com> Hi everyone, was I the only one to miss out on Issue 12? If anyone has it would they be kind enough to forwarding it across. Many thanks and kind regards, Adam From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 12 06:40:03 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:40:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte Message-ID: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> I'm working on a 3hp model K Witte that I just can't get to run to suit me. The engine cranks when cold with 2-4 turns of the flywheels. Hot, it cranks with 1-2. I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). The engine has great compression. It has new rings and valve springs. With all this it seems to want to continually 8 cycle, even under load. I talked with a fellow SEL member and we were thinking air leaks around the carb. I have inspected the throttle shaft for excess wear and checked the butterfly to see if it is sealing well, both seem OK. The fit where the carb slips into the head seems a little loose bit I tried spraying penetrating oil around it with the engine running to see if it would pull it in but I didn't notice any change. I have tried running the engine of both sides of the carbs with the same results. I'm suspecting the choke plate. I have tried different springs as well as installed a new plate. Any idea what is going on here? I tried looking for 8 cycling in the archives but something with the ATIS site wasn't working. I'd be interested to know if this topic has been well discussed in the past. John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Sep 12 03:29:11 2004 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:29:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006d01c498b3$594c5840$0301a8c0@Young1203> Joe, its been a day and no one your side of the pond has answered, so I'll stick my spoke in. Recent sales in Oz that I can recall are for up to $Aus20K for a restored Titan, down to $Aus7k or even less for unrestored rough ones with the usual "what ifs" that entails. My observation at least is that you guys pay more for your home grown stuff, particularly IHC machinery, than we do. So by that measure $US13K doesn't sound too much for one that is up and running with a paint job. Mate in a few months time you'll forget the pain of the $ gone and the misses will forgive you, so just go and get it before someone else does! regards, Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions > I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic > there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot > more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting > some info would be better here. > I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main > criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably > have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to > our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a > spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while > desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but > I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and > I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a > good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! > What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying > prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even > though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a > show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically > and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a > small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock > or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, > with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has > the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and > chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they > are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is > worth that. > So, here are my questions: > First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding > prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard > because you don't seem them traded very often. > Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH > book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. > Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is > there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make > and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for > this one? > As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not > going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. > I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out > of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them > told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort > of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical > choice. > Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are > all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! > Later, > Joe > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI > www.badgersteamandgas.com > Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show > August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 > ***************** > "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" > Old Irish Proverb > ****************** > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Sep 12 06:54:52 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:54:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> Message-ID: <002801c498d0$13cb5a10$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi John, I will go along with the exhaust valve setting but firing 45 deg BTDC can't possibly be right, 5 degrees is more like it. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA 92544 U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:40 AM Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 12 08:37:38 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:37:38 -0400 Subject: Fw: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: <000a01c498de$6f18e280$0400a8c0@Dave> > I always liked the looks of the Titan > > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. > > Later, > > Joe > Hi Joe, This alone is reason enough for you to buy the Titan! The 10-20 was built from 1915 to 1922. A total of 78,363 of them were built during that time period--and only 76,310 other models of the Titan were built during that period. The 10-20 weighs 255 lbs. per HP. Dave PS, For any LIBERALS on the List the 255 lbs. per HP equates to 5,700 lbs! From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 12 05:23:11 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:23:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte Message-ID: <028f01c498c3$45a36f80$14d34c0c@pentium> I'm working on a 3hp model K Witte that I just can't get to run to suit me. The engine cranks when cold with 2-4 turns of the flywheels. Hot, it cranks with 1-2. I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). The engine has great compression. It has new rings and valve springs. With all this it seems to want to continually 8 cycle, even under load. I talked with a fellow SEL member and we were thinking air leaks around the carb. I have inspected the throttle shaft for excess wear and checked the butterfly to see if it is sealing well, both seem OK. The fit where the carb slips into the head seems a little loose bit I tried spraying penetrating oil around it with the engine running to see if it would pull it in but I didn't notice any change. I have tried running the engine of both sides of the carbs with the same results. I'm suspecting the choke plate. I have tried different springs as well as installed a new plate. Any idea what is going on here? I tried looking for 8 cycling in the archives but something with the ATIS site wasn't working. I'd be interested to know if this topic has been well discussed in the past. John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 12 10:20:31 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:20:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte In-Reply-To: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> Message-ID: <200409121720.i8CHKYep004094@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to > close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. That sounds good. Since you know how to check that stuff, when does it open? Anywhere from 30 to 0 degrees before bottom should be ok. It's easy to check, so start there. > I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC > (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the writer of that book was smoking crack. Give it ten degrees. If everything doesn't work nicely after that, try to restrict the incoming air. The mixer was made to run at rated speed and horsepower with full air flow through the venturi. You may have to get tricky to compensate for slower speeds and less load. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Sep 12 10:25:32 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:25:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte In-Reply-To: <200409121720.i8CHKYep004094@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409121720.i8CHKYep004094@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: > I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the writer of > that book was smoking crack. Give it ten degrees. Just for reference, Rob, that's the proper, factory-set timing for an ignitor 3 HP IHC M. (45?BTDC) I think the IHC engineers may have been coked up when they came up with that. It was OTC back then, even if the crack form hadn't yet been invented. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Sun Sep 12 10:35:23 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:35:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte Message-ID: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> > > I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to > > close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. > > That sounds good. Since you know how to check that stuff, > when does it open? Anywhere from 30 to 0 degrees before > bottom should be ok. It's easy to check, so start there. > > > I have also checked spark timing and it is set around > 45deg BTDC > > (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). > > I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the writer of > that book was smoking crack. Give it ten degrees. > > If everything doesn't work nicely after that, try to > restrict the incoming air. The mixer was made to run at > rated speed and horsepower with full air flow through the > venturi. You may have to get tricky to compensate for > slower speeds and less load. > > Rob > Can you richen it up enough to make it smoke? If not check your fuel system and check valve. J.B. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Sep 12 11:31:48 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:31:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Davis Auction in Anderson IN Message-ID: <41449614.7000101@scrtc.com> Did anyone attend the Davis Auction in Anderson, IN yesterday? Just curious what some of the items brought. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Sep 12 15:18:53 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:18:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barber Bro's engine Message-ID: <200409122218.i8CMIsep018120@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi, Larry Evens was gracious enough to post a picture of a Barber Bro's vert.3 Horse engine for me. I need to move it from Kingston NY. to near San Francisco ,Ca. A picture of it with a mixer can be seen at http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/barberbros Only the engine needs a ride. Any help moving it westward would help, there are guys from out here that go to the bigger shows/swaps in the Midwest inc. Portland and Cool Springs. If I can get it there, that would be half the battle. Dose any one have any information on it as I know very little on the company's history or the care and feeding of the engine. Thanks Larry for the help. Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 12 18:11:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:11:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Montgomery Ward info update Message-ID: <000801c4992e$8b8a79b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, This is not done, but I have added a lot more information. Thanks to those that took time to help me out. Much more work than I anticipated and I carry on. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Sep 12 18:31:01 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:31:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems References: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <000801c49931$54b4d180$8bc67040@user> Memphis equipment specializes in army trucks. If you need address let me know off list. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "stationary engine list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the rubber piston cups,,,,,, also, cant find/afford a source for brake shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkanas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Sep 13 06:47:16 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:47:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct. 8, 9, and 10th. Message-ID: <4145A4E4.2060808@imc-group.com> Guys, Cotton Ginning Days is less than a month away! Wanted to make the announcement of our 17th annual show at Dallas, NC (Gastonia). Our feature engine this year is Stickney. The CGD show is done in conjunction with the county at the county horse park. The combination of rolling terrain and flat areas for camping make for a very nice show grounds. We generally have about 300 exhibitors and 25,000 spectators. If you like talking with people and explaining to the general public what your engines/tractors do, this is the show for you! Very few shows have this kind of spectator to exhibitor ratio. Our grounds include a fully functioning 1900 Continental Gin driven with a 37 HP FM semi diesel driving it. Here is a link showing a few pictures: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm We will be ginning cotton all three days of the show. We also have built a blacksmith building: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2003/16_13C.html click "fwd" thru about 6 images of the blacksmith building showing Bob hammering a part. Some pictures from last years show can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2003/Thumbnails.html On Friday evening in front of the gin building, will be the social with an unbelievable assortment of deserts and hot cider served. As always we serve a free country dinner on Saturday evening to all displaying exhibitors. We'll be weighing the bale of cotton on Sunday afternoon for the cash prize for who guessed the weight the closest. A map and directions can be found here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Showinfo/Annualshow.htm We believe Cotton Ginning Days is one of the nicest shows in the southeast. We hope you can join us this year and we look forward to seeing you. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC (704) 853-2992 (home) (704) 471-6573 (work) (704) 472-8599 (cell) From weirgrant at hotmail.com Mon Sep 13 08:58:10 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:58:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: Hi Joe, I understand your sentiment about the tractor list being mostly about rubber tired machines. I too am mostly about pre-1930 steel-wheeled tractors and have little use for talk about starter repair or distibutor trouble. To me, if it don't at least have a crank and a mag it aint an "antique" - it's just old. :-) Too bad you missed the Happy Farmer - those are neat. Rumely's and spoker D's are neat too but hardly "rare" or even uncommon - if that's what your looking for. The Titan seems like a fine choice for you. Not too big, but big enough to make lots of noise and have lots of levers. After all, noise and levers really is what tractors are all about - more of both! A Titan is pretty weird looking too and an antique tractor should be at least a little bit weird looking. It sounds like the one you are looking to buy is in pretty good shape too. I don't think $13,000 sounds too out of line if it's a good one. Go for it Joe! Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:53:52 -0700 (PDT) > >I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic >there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot >more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting >some info would be better here. >I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main >criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably >have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to >our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a >spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while >desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but >I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and >I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a >good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! >What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying >prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan >and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even >though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a >show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically >and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a >small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock >or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, >with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has >the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and >chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they >are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is >worth that. >So, here are my questions: >First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding >prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard >because you don't seem them traded very often. >Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH >book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. >Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is >there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make >and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for >this one? >As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not >going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. >I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out >of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them >told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort >of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical >choice. >Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are >all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! >Later, >Joe > >===== >Joe Prindle >Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI >www.badgersteamandgas.com >Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show >August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 >***************** >"Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" >Old Irish Proverb >****************** > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. >http://messenger.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Sep 13 16:33:43 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:33:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test (OT) Message-ID: <80.15f16676.2e778857@aol.com> Hi List, This is a test as I haven't receive any SEL message for a day. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Sep 13 19:13:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:13:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Danged ole' Economy (yet again) Message-ID: <414653D7.000003.03824@NOTEBOOK> Hey all, My continued efforts with this old gal are confounding at best. It appears that maybe I'm gonna haveta re-ring her. Just like a woman I guess, after so many years they want/need? new rings. Anybody help me out with info on where to get rings & a new head gasket for a 5hp Economy. I'll appreciate any help I can get. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 13 19:51:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:51:04 -0400 Subject: Fw: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: <002a01c49a05$ada08a30$0400a8c0@Dave> > > I always liked the looks of the Titan > > > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. > > > Later, > > > Joe > > Hi Joe, This alone is reason enough for you to buy the Titan! The 10-20 was built from 1915 to 1922. A total of 78,363 of them were built during that time period--and only 76,310 other models of the Titan were built during that period. The 10-20 weighs 255 lbs. per HP. Dave PS, For any LIBERALS on the List the 255 lbs. per HP equates to 5,700 lbs! From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Sep 13 20:09:50 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:09:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed In-Reply-To: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005901c49a08$4e60a930$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Assuming the computer is new enough to be able to, it needs to be able to boot from the CD. Typically, the boot sequence is set in the BIOS settings to boot from the hard drive (HD) first. If that is the case, and it finds no OS on the HD, it will fail with an operating system not found message. You will need to press whatever key or key chord is needed to get into the BIOS settings when the machine is first powered on. Change the boot sequence to CD then either floppy or HD. If it STILL won't boot from the CD, you will then need a bootable floppy that also has CD drivers, a sort of "universal boot diskette". Your recovery CD should be bootable, the XP CD will be for sure. However, if you install THAT copy of XP on it and use THAT product number to install that copy, you could have some issues when it goes to register itself with Microsoft.......... Meaning they track who has used that number on what computer. (MY point being, be VERY careful about using some else's Microsoft product CDs to install to your own computer) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 13 21:21:01 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:21:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <1095135661.414671adc6675@webmail.city-net.com> GOOD ON YA MATE!! Keep fighting for what is "right." You may not win, but you have the love and support of your like-minded mates!!!!! See ya, Arnie PS - Sorry for not deleting bits of your post. I'm on a business trip with a crap laptop and a poxy email connection. 8-(( Quoting Reg & Margaret Ingold : > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking of > doing sneaky underhand things?) > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they were > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules are > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You know > that! > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife and > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you inside > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in there.. > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > if this were the case? > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise the > full impact of what I am saying.) > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you go > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > wont get any better on the road we are following. > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > am capable of giving. > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine things. > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside the > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things are > going. > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > > wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 13 22:26:41 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:26:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <391s2r$8pm0ia@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 14 00:08:53 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:08:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003201c49a29$b1a2f540$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking of > doing sneaky underhand things?) Large Snip > Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, I thought most of the Aussies were over there just because one of their relatives wouldn't follow the rules. 8^) You are the exception that proves the rule. Dave Croft From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 00:38:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:38:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Danged ole' Economy (yet again) References: <414653D7.000003.03824@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <00d601c49a2d$cb2c2410$0400a8c0@Dave> Anybody help me out with info on where to get rings & a new head gasket for a 5hp Economy. I'll appreciate any help I can get. Bob To the best of my knowledge Hit and Miss has both. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 00:40:21 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:40:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Not sent???? References: <9de2b69df4a8.9df4a89de2b6@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <00e101c49a2e$170c1f20$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi everyone, > was I the only one to miss out on Issue 12? If anyone has it would they be kind enough to forwarding it across. > Many thanks and kind regards, > Adam Hi Adam, The List has been down for about 48 hours. Spencer tells me that nothing (well, to be honest about 3 posts) have come into it during that whole time. Dave From brianne at ultratune.com.au Tue Sep 14 01:21:44 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:21:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed. Message-ID: <000c01c49a33$e139fce0$0cc4dccb@t2c0r9> Hi Folks If any one has any information at all on the following two engines, it would be most appreciated. We are planning to restore them later this year. 1. Wauch & Josephson 3 1/2 HP Diesel Serial No. 17374 2. Chapman Super Pup 4 1/4 HP petrol Eng. No. SCSP867 Both engines are of Australian manufacture. I believe the Pup engine came from a boat. Thanks in advance Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Society Museum From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Sep 14 04:32:14 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:32:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics 4U Message-ID: <091420041132.27693.358b@mchsi.com> Great Pics Robb..... thanks, Curt Andree > The subject says it all... > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 14 04:33:06 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:33:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own fraternity. If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > insurance. > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > are on the right track! > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > going > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > stand in > the launch pad with out insurance! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > club? > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > Bessemer > > Fairbanks > > Caille > > Hercules > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > Cottrill > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > descibed > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > to > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > is > > difficult? > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > directly > > about your concerns. > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > in > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > things > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > I > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 14 04:38:24 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:38:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Test (OT) References: <80.15f16676.2e778857@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c49a4f$5b8911a0$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Got it here Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Test (OT) > Hi List, > This is a test as I haven't receive any SEL message for a day. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From yostsw at atis.net Tue Sep 14 07:02:42 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:02:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage References: <200409140938330078.14456D49@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200409141002420015.145B8932@heavyiron.atis.net> There was a list outage 36-48 hours that affected SEL(and possibly steam-engine too). My apologies for not catching it sooner and thanks to Dave R for bringing it to my attention. A subscriber's mail site had a serious mail loop, and my list software shut down the list because of it. Why the list software didn't notify me, I am not sure. It is supposed to in these circumstances. Again my apologies and please do not hesitate to email me at Spencer.Yost at stationary-engine.com if there is ever any kind of extended outage again. Spencer Yost From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Sep 14 14:11:11 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:11:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otis Bros Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70210245E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>Since I am now one of their loyal subjects, it would be >>interesting to see one of their engines. >>Rob As in Otis Elevators? "Otis has more than sixty thousand employees and revenues exceeding six billion dollars." Hope you get a LOT of that, Rob! Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 14 14:35:28 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:35:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002c01c49aa2$c4e5f200$5e111bd3@athlon> I suggest you read the facts regarding that tractor explosion before you make statements like the ones in your mail. It is your twisting of things that give the totally wrong impression of events. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in > engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own > fraternity. > If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and > enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence > so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good > insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived > inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like > pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the > hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I > would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the > launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they > are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would > not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to > send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > > insurance. > > > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > > are on the right track! > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > > ogborne > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > > going > > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > > stand in > > the launch pad with out insurance! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > > club? > > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > Bessemer > > > Fairbanks > > > Caille > > > Hercules > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > > Cottrill > > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > > descibed > > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > > to > > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > > is > > > difficult? > > > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > > directly > > > about your concerns. > > > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > > in > > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > > things > > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > > I > > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Tue Sep 14 14:45:25 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:45:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01b501c49aa4$251e8e10$6401a8c0@Shop> Joe, I agree with you about the Tractor List as the latest and greatest discussion is how or what type of calcium or other that can be put into tires. I am a 2 or 4 cylinder steel tractor guy(along with the engines on this list). I also own a Titan. 1917 serial number TV3690. It's the earliest one I know of, but I recently heard of an eariler one in NY State. The most critical thing to look for when purchasing one is the main and rod bearings. They are lubricated from a mechanical drip oiler (Madison-Kipp) through copper tubing to the main and rod bearings, used once and then the oil is discarded out the bottom of the crankcase. The oil is delivered to the rod bearings via slingers and if one of the lines plugs up it will sieze a bearing. Before you buy, pull the top crankcase cover (8bolts) and look at the rod bearings. Hopefully some shims will still be there, just check how much play is there. Just about everything else on that tractor can be readily fixed, however depending on the year most parts are hard to find. Is the fuel pump there? Historically they were removed after the tractor was parked for the last time, removed and used on the larger stationary engines in that era. Took me two years to find one and then I had to completely rebuild it. Price? Good question. $13,000 sounds like an excellent buy if something terrible isn't wrong. There was a guy advertising through the Yesterday's Tractor website recently offering $18,000 not running and $21,000+ for one running in any condition. It's a typical situation of who wants what, where and when. The weight of mine is 5,990 when weighed at a recent tractor show. Good luck and it is good to know there is another Titan enthusiast out there..... Contact me if you need more info. Dave From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 14 15:31:59 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:31:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <01b501c49aa4$251e8e10$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4147715F.000003.03976@NOTEBOOK> Just a quick note I've been following you fellows on the titan conversation. If you're interested I'll try to get ahold of a couple of original titan manuals I spotted in my dad's things. If I'm right there's owner's manuals and shop manual's in mom's basement yet. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/14/04 17:50:25 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Joe, I agree with you about the Tractor List as the latest and greatest discussion is how or what type of calcium or other that can be put into tires. I am a 2 or 4 cylinder steel tractor guy(along with the engines on this list). I also own a Titan. 1917 serial number TV3690. It's the earliest one I know of, but I recently heard of an eariler one in NY State. The most critical thing to look for when purchasing one is the main and rod bearings. They are lubricated from a mechanical drip oiler (Madison-Kipp) through copper tubing to the main and rod bearings, used once and then the oil is discarded out the bottom of the crankcase. The oil is delivered to the rod bearings via slingers and if one of the lines plugs up it will sieze a bearing. Before you buy, pull the top crankcase cover (8bolts) and look at the rod bearings. Hopefully some shims will still be there, just check how much play is there. Just about everything else on that tractor can be readily fixed, however depending on the year most parts are hard to find. Is the fuel pump there? Historically they were removed after the tractor was parked for the last time, removed and used on the larger stationary engines in that era. Took me two years to find one and then I had to completely rebuild it. Price? Good question. $13,000 sounds like an excellent buy if something terrible isn't wrong. There was a guy advertising through the Yesterday's Tractor website recently offering $18,000 not running and $21,000+ for one running in any condition. It's a typical situation of who wants what, where and when. The weight of mine is 5,990 when weighed at a recent tractor show. Good luck and it is good to know there is another Titan enthusiast out there..... Contact me if you need more info. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Sep 14 16:49:52 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:49:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> Well said Peter. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in > engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own > fraternity. > If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and > enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence > so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good > insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived > inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like > pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the > hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I > would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the > launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they > are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would > not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to > send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > > insurance. > > > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > > are on the right track! > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > > ogborne > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > > going > > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > > stand in > > the launch pad with out insurance! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > > club? > > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > Bessemer > > > Fairbanks > > > Caille > > > Hercules > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > > Cottrill > > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > > descibed > > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > > to > > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > > is > > > difficult? > > > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > > directly > > > about your concerns. > > > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > > in > > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > > things > > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > > I > > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 14 17:10:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:10:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2004, at 7:33 AM, chuck emsweller wrote: > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in > the > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Same here, Chuck. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 14 17:15:30 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:15:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte In-Reply-To: <002801c498d0$13cb5a10$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> <002801c498d0$13cb5a10$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <5AAEBEAE-06AC-11D9-B6A0-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Nope. When it's all set up according to the marks, it trips the ignitor 45? BTDC. John On Sep 12, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Hi John, > > I will go along with the exhaust valve setting but firing 45 deg BTDC > can't > possibly be right, 5 degrees is more like it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 17:21:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:21:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> > Well said Peter. > Ron >>take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." Peter must be a LIBERAL--they are the ones who make BS up to suit their preconceived conclusions! Dave PS, Ron, Are you a LIBERAL also? From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 17:50:27 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:50:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> From: "Rob Skinner" > > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html Hi Rob, Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 HP Galloway. (See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in the above.) Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as I can unload this DOG! Dave PS, A package should arrive for you and Kelley tomorrow! From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 14 18:46:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:46:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: Message-ID: <41479EFF.000003.02820@NOTEBOOK> -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/14/04 21:39:57 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter On Sep 12, 2004, at 7:33 AM, chuck emsweller wrote: > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in > the > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Same here, Chuck. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA And same here too!!!! 98% of the fun for me is "hands-on" and planting my fanny in your chair swapping lies!!!! LOL Bob Jacobs Holland, Mi., USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 14 19:02:44 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:02:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <20040914.220510.480.0.jlb94@juno.com> > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. = = = = = = = = = = The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the engine. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Sep 14 19:08:06 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:08:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <005a01c49ac8$d7673b20$8a63fea9@sweeper> No Dave. I was referring to the comments regarding insurance. As for the Case Steam accident I have no knowledge. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > Well said Peter. > > Ron > >>take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > > > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. > > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." Peter > must be a LIBERAL--they are the ones who make BS up to suit their > preconceived conclusions! > Dave > PS, Ron, Are you a LIBERAL also? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 19:12:09 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Page Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Well said Peter. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in > engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own > fraternity. > If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and > enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence > so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good > insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived > inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like > pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the > hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I > would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the > launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they > are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would > not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to > send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > > insurance. > > > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > > are on the right track! > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > > ogborne > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > > going > > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > > stand in > > the launch pad with out insurance! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > > club? > > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > Bessemer > > > Fairbanks > > > Caille > > > Hercules > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > > Cottrill > > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > > descibed > > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > > to > > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > > is > > > difficult? > > > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > > directly > > > about your concerns. > > > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > > in > > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > > things > > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > > I > > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Tue Sep 14 19:23:33 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:23:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: John Deere Model E References: <1c9.1e79ecb0.2e7462f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <200409142223330281.1701DE75@heavyiron.atis.net> Here is a note I received late last week. These folks are not on the list, so if you can help them you will need to contact them directly. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 9/11/2004 at 10:17 AM PSulli5032 at aol.com wrote: >We are looking for a copy of the John Deere Model E Engine manuel. Is >there >anyway you can help us... > >Thanks so much. Peggy Sullivan, Port Lavaca, Texas > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 19:36:03 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:36:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, You've stirred up a hornets nest and did well at it. Seems there are problems in your country that could easily cross the pond. I don't know who you consider yourself unpopular with, but surely not I. From my understanding you are well respected on both sides of the pond, and your work to make change is something I respect. Keep at it mate. I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading tractors. Now I think I'll go look for a rocket launching so I can watch from right under the rocket. I've heard it's just the same as standing by an engine inside the fence. Wonder if I need sunglasses. Don't give it up Reg. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking > of > doing sneaky underhand things?) > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they > were > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules > are > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You > know > that! > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife > and > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you > inside > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in > there.. > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > if this were the case? > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise > the > full impact of what I am saying.) > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you > go > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > wont get any better on the road we are following. > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > am capable of giving. > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine > things. > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside > the > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things > are > going. > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > >> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, >> wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. >> >> Patrick M Livingstone > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 14 19:41:01 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:41:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that > the > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR > SALE > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that > wants > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as > soon as > I can unload this DOG! Hey Dave, I'll trade you a Turkish Mauser even for it. This Mauser is an extra special value, too, as most 8mm Mauser barrels have a groove diameter of only .323", but this one has a .339" bore. Most Mausers only shoot little bitty groups on targets, but this special big bore one'll cover a whole lot wider area without having to shift your aim. You'd be getting a real deal! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 19:50:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:50:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <003d01c49ace$c273dc90$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Well said Dave. Peter is a liberal. Taliban from his country should not be detained in GITMO in his opinion. Tall tree and short rope in my opinion. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter >> Well said Peter. >> Ron >>>take the example of the owner of that Case Steam >> > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. > > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." > Peter > must be a LIBERAL--they are the ones who make BS up to suit their > preconceived conclusions! > Dave > PS, Ron, Are you a LIBERAL also? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Tue Sep 14 20:05:02 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 3:05:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <3a5h63$9c9i0r@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html > > Hi Rob, > Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 > HP Galloway. (See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) > Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in > the above.) > Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best > located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show > the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea > what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? > I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= > 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 > divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as > I can unload this DOG! > Dave Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 14 20:08:41 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed References: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> <0a2801c4979f$626fe0f0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <012001c49ad1$4f9bf600$240110ac@PaulMaples> Dave I am trying to fix up the old Laptop for the two grandsons I am raising, my new computer is working great. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed >> Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix > it. >> Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Paul > > Hi Paul, I sure hope that you got a kiss with what you bought because it > sounds as if you got what usually goes with a kiss! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 14 20:09:38 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:09:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Guys, If I read the formula correctly, The area of a cyl is NOT 3.14x "D"[bore" ]but 3.14 x R SQD.[RXR] Plug in the #'s and see if you come closer to the advertised HP. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula From: "Rob Skinner" > > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html Hi Rob, Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 HP Galloway. (See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.ht ml) Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in the above.) Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as I can unload this DOG! Dave PS, A package should arrive for you and Kelley tomorrow! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Sep 14 20:44:32 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001301c49ad6$5076d360$8a63fea9@sweeper> Jeff The responses you get regarding the NHMA will be interesting. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > Reg, > > You've stirred up a hornets nest and did well at it. Seems there are > problems in your country that could easily cross the pond. I don't know who > you consider yourself unpopular with, but surely not I. From my > understanding you are well respected on both sides of the pond, and your > work to make change is something I respect. Keep at it mate. > > I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > tractors. > > Now I think I'll go look for a rocket launching so I can watch from right > under the rocket. I've heard it's just the same as standing by an engine > inside the fence. Wonder if I need sunglasses. > > Don't give it up Reg. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking > > of > > doing sneaky underhand things?) > > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they > > were > > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules > > are > > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You > > know > > that! > > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife > > and > > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you > > inside > > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in > > there.. > > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > > if this were the case? > > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise > > the > > full impact of what I am saying.) > > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you > > go > > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > > wont get any better on the road we are following. > > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > > am capable of giving. > > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine > > things. > > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside > > the > > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things > > are > > going. > > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > > >> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > >> wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 14 21:24:56 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:24:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: <009001c49adb$f683e1d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Ted's e-mail address, I need to contact him. Thanks. Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 14 21:30:19 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:30:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Buffalo Pitts - 1882 Message-ID: <200409150430.i8F4ULep033308@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Anyone interested? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _____ From: yvan evrard [mailto:yvan.evrard at tiscali.be] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:32 AM Dear Sirs, We are owner a Buffalo Pitts Tractor of 1882, probably the first of the serial producted, in very good state and still working and would like to sell it. If you are interested of if you could find a serious person interested, please contact us. We are located in Belgium - Europe. Thanks a lot for your reply. Best regards. From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 14 22:00:25 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:00:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <007401c49ae0$ea0eb240$c51117d1@net.telenet.net> >From what I have read in the reports about the outfit, I think NHMA must stand for National Handlers and Minders ASSociated, or Never Handle Machinery Anyone. Sure doesn't sound like any US groups except maybe GreenPeace or the National Socialists Party. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > Reg, > > You've stirred up a hornets nest and did well at it. Seems there are > problems in your country that could easily cross the pond. I don't know who > you consider yourself unpopular with, but surely not I. From my > understanding you are well respected on both sides of the pond, and your > work to make change is something I respect. Keep at it mate. > > I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > tractors. > > Now I think I'll go look for a rocket launching so I can watch from right > under the rocket. I've heard it's just the same as standing by an engine > inside the fence. Wonder if I need sunglasses. > > Don't give it up Reg. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking > > of > > doing sneaky underhand things?) > > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they > > were > > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules > > are > > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You > > know > > that! > > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife > > and > > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you > > inside > > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in > > there.. > > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > > if this were the case? > > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise > > the > > full impact of what I am saying.) > > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you > > go > > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > > wont get any better on the road we are following. > > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > > am capable of giving. > > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine > > things. > > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside > > the > > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things > > are > > going. > > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > > >> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > >> wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 22:10:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:10:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: <009001c49adb$f683e1d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001601c49ae2$41ec2d20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> On his web site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > Can someone send me Ted's e-mail address, I need to contact him. Thanks. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Sep 14 22:03:48 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:03:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <3a5h63$9c9i0r@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200409150503.i8F53qep048187@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up > with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need > some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA JB, Try to go easy on the guy. He's a sociology professor, you know. He's a product of a LIBERAL arts education, so it is NOT HIS FAULT that he doesn't understand math. Rob From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 14 22:19:31 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:19:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <008601c49ae3$94fa45a0$c51117d1@net.telenet.net> Hey John, You got one of the special scattergun versions too, GEE I thought I was the only lucky one... I did find an ALL numbers matching DANZIG 1916 stamped GEW 98 even has good headspace !!!! Not a turk though, I found it locally hanging on the wall in a bar as DECORATION, swapped the owner for a nice clean Turk. Only things missing are the rear sling mount and the cleaning rod. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula > > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that > > the > > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR > > SALE > > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that > > wants > > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as > > soon as > > I can unload this DOG! > > Hey Dave, I'll trade you a Turkish Mauser even for it. This Mauser is > an extra special value, too, as most 8mm Mauser barrels have a groove > diameter of only .323", but this one has a .339" bore. Most Mausers > only shoot little bitty groups on targets, but this special big bore > one'll cover a whole lot wider area without having to shift your aim. > You'd be getting a real deal! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Sep 15 02:37:59 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:37:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> Just so that all of you who are descending to the level of personal abuse know that THE FLAMEMISTRESS is watching you, I thought I'd just add a comment or two to this. First, the Medina accident. For full details, go to http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/safety/medina.html which also includes a link to the official report. Interestingly, when I put the query into Google, that page by Paul Pavlinovich came up first, and the second was a comment by our own Reg Ingold, in the digests of this list! At the time, the steam engine wasn't in a fenced compound, so in that particular case, fences didn't make any difference at all to the level of injuries. Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political leanings) I believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. All these restrictions seem to do is reduce the freedom and pleasure we get, and take away some of the need to think. If there's a fence around the engines, there's no need for people to tell their children not to touch the moving parts. If they ever come across a real working engine, unfenced, how are they to know to keep back a safe distance? Rules are no substitute for common sense, but they do take away a lot of the need for such a thing so, in a way, rules actually increase the potential for stupid behaviour. This applies not just to engine shows but to many areas of life. We, as a company in the construction industry, spend far too much time and money on health and safety - consultancies, qualifications, risk assessments etc etc. None of which proves better than our long-term safety record that we can do a job well and safely, but if you do all that stuff right and have an accident you must be able to blame someone else for it! You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my opinion. Dolly peter ogborne wrote: > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back . -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 05:00:31 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:00:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation should this occur. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Just so that all of you who are descending to the level of personal abuse know > that THE FLAMEMISTRESS is watching you, I thought I'd just add a comment or two > to this. > > First, the Medina accident. For full details, go to > http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/safety/medina.html which also includes a link > to the official report. Interestingly, when I put the query into Google, that > page by Paul Pavlinovich came up first, and the second was a comment by our own > Reg Ingold, in the digests of this list! > At the time, the steam engine wasn't in a fenced compound, so in that particular > case, fences didn't make any difference at all to the level of injuries. > > Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political leanings) I > believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. All these > restrictions seem to do is reduce the freedom and pleasure we get, and take away > some of the need to think. If there's a fence around the engines, there's no > need for people to tell their children not to touch the moving parts. If they > ever come across a real working engine, unfenced, how are they to know to keep > back a safe distance? > Rules are no substitute for common sense, but they do take away a lot of the > need for such a thing so, in a way, rules actually increase the potential for > stupid behaviour. This applies not just to engine shows but to many areas of > life. We, as a company in the construction industry, spend far too much time > and money on health and safety - consultancies, qualifications, risk assessments > etc etc. None of which proves better than our long-term safety record that we > can do a job well and safely, but if you do all that stuff right and have an > accident you must be able to blame someone else for it! > > You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my opinion. > > Dolly > > peter ogborne wrote: > > > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > > bloody long way back . > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 15 05:01:18 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:01:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> G'Day Chuck >Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. Now that you have told us what you know crap about, do you think you could follow up with something you may have knowledge about say ah engines, well that was the subject of the list. > The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. Crap, Judges not individuals decides who is responsible > It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. Crap, No one in Australia thinks our hobby is being slaughtered (well may be one), in fact every rally I have been to is bigger than the last, > But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Same Crap as above, I am happy to pay $12 for 12 months insurance, have not spoken to anyone that has a problem with the $12 well except for a few Yanks like yourself >Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. You are starting to ramble now > As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. Your right, just goes to show you we have people full of crap over here to, you need to do your homework a little more if you are talking to a Aussie, a liberal is on the other side of politics eg Right Wing. > Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. We sure will, you need to know that we Aussies are fun loving group of people that enjoy ourselves no matter where we are, our hobby is about people that we call mates, the insurance, bloody fences don't and will not get in the way of that. Sorry Dolly even after your be nice post I cannot help myself, this load of crap needed an answer, and I will except the flames Kerry PS. I class Reg as a true friend and agree with most he has said, I was his major supporter in his last little ruckest, but some of the posts from some of our American friends are way over the top PSS. have a great day Chuck and all the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 15 05:07:12 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:07:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <002201c49b1c$891d39c0$22680b42@gnarmstrong> Come on guys---Cut Dave some slack. He was using conservative math in his calculations. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: RE: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula >> Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up >> with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need >> some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle Rose, LA > >JB, >Try to go easy on the guy. He's a sociology professor, you know. >He's a product of a LIBERAL arts education, so it is NOT HIS FAULT >that he doesn't understand math. > >Rob > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:15:28 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:15:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <01ba01c49b1d$b0ab4df0$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Jim, 100% correct--and MY BAD! Using the CORRECT formula my "16 HP Galloway" is 15.27 IHP and between 12.2 and 13.43 BTHP (the rpm's SHOULD BE 240--NOT 225!) Using a divisor of 10,500 for the final calculation (even though it's a 4 cycle) provides a much closer estimation of what Galloway claimed for the engine. Perhaps I'll keep it after all! Dave > Hi Guys, > If I read the formula correctly, The area of a cyl is NOT 3.14x "D"[bore" > ]but 3.14 x R SQD.[RXR] Plug in the #'s and see if you come closer to the > advertised HP. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:50 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula > > From: "Rob Skinner" > > > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html > > Hi Rob, > Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 > HP Galloway. (See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.ht > ml) > Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in > the above.) > Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best > located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show > the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea > what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? > I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= > 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 > divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as > I can unload this DOG! > Dave > PS, A package should arrive for you and Kelley tomorrow! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:24:02 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:24:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409150503.i8F53qep048187@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <01c901c49b1e$e2babeb0$0400a8c0@Dave> > > Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up > > with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need > > some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. > > J.B. Castagnos > > Belle Rose, LA > JB, > Try to go easy on the guy. He's a sociology professor, you know. > He's a product of a LIBERAL arts education, so it is NOT HIS FAULT > that he doesn't understand math. > Rob Hi Both of you, YUP--math was NEVER my strong point--but I didn't think it was that bad either. I guess that math skills must be the second thing to go! Dave PS, It was philosophy--NOT sociology! PPS, If you figure the BTHP (and NOT the IHP--which is simply THEORY) then 14.35 becomes between 11.48 and 12.628 BTHP. (That's about 75% of what Galloway claimed the engine could produce!) From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:28:07 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:28:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <3a5h63$9c9i0r@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <01f401c49b1f$74f289c0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, > J.B. Castagnos Hi J.B., The long and short of it is that I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:39:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:39:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <002201c49b1c$891d39c0$22680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <023701c49b21$072d1e80$0400a8c0@Dave> > Come on guys---Cut Dave some slack. He was using conservative math in his > calculations. Geo. Hi Geo, NO, not "Conservative math" but simply a mistake. Unlike LIBERALS however (see: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/bush_guard_documents_040914.html) we on the right admit it when we make a mistake! Dave From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 05:44:13 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:44:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <004f01c49b21$b5351f00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." >>>>>>> After this past Monday , will I now be able to buy a fully automatic hi-powered assault steamer of my own ? Chuck B From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 15 05:44:31 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <01ba01c49b1d$b0ab4df0$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <01ba01c49b1d$b0ab4df0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:15:28 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Jim, > 100% correct--and MY BAD! Using the CORRECT formula my "16 HP Galloway" >is 15.27 IHP and between 12.2 and 13.43 BTHP (the rpm's SHOULD BE 240--NOT >225!) Using a divisor of 10,500 for the final calculation (even though it's >a 4 cycle) provides a much closer estimation of what Galloway claimed for >the engine. Perhaps I'll keep it after all! > Dave > >> Hi Guys, >> If I read the formula correctly, The area of a cyl is NOT 3.14x > "D"[bore"]but 3.14 x R SQD.[RXR] Plug in the #'s and see if you come closer to the >> advertised HP. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan >> >> Jim O'Hagan I haven't got Dave's Galloway cylinder dimensions handy to check his calculations, but it looks like the result is pretty close. The 3.14 should in truth be 3.142857 or 22 / 7, the value for pi. That small discrepancy won't make a huge difference but it's worth a mention. The Royal Automobile Club (RAC) formula would be interesting to apply to Dave's Galloway: bhp= (d X d) N / 2.5 OR 0.4 ( (d X d) N) Where d = cylinder diameter in inches, and N = number of cylinders. This was derived back in the early 1900's in the UK to provide a rating for tax purposes, and is estimated at 1000 rpm and a bmep of 67.2psi. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 05:45:36 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:45:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> Message-ID: <001101c49b21$e6188850$8a63fea9@sweeper> Well done Kerry. I am with you. Our shows seem to be getting bigger and more of them. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT > G'Day Chuck > > >Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in > Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. > > Now that you have told us what you know crap about, do you think you could > follow up with something you may have knowledge about say ah engines, well > that was the subject of the list. > > > The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals > accepted responsibility for their actions. > > Crap, Judges not individuals decides who is responsible > > > It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead > you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. > > Crap, No one in Australia thinks our hobby is being slaughtered (well may be > one), in fact every rally I have been to is bigger than the last, > > > But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue > to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. > > Same Crap as above, I am happy to pay $12 for 12 months insurance, have not > spoken to anyone that has a problem with the $12 well except for a few Yanks > like yourself > > >Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in > Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous > contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. > > You are starting to ramble now > > > As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious > that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to > hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. > > Your right, just goes to show you we have people full of crap over here to, > you need to do your homework a little more if you are talking to a Aussie, a > liberal is on the other side of politics eg Right Wing. > > > Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see > if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. > > We sure will, you need to know that we Aussies are fun loving group of > people that enjoy ourselves no matter where we are, our hobby is about > people that we call mates, the insurance, bloody fences don't and will not > get in the way of that. > > > Sorry Dolly even after your be nice post I cannot help myself, this load of > crap needed an answer, and I will except the flames > > Kerry > > PS. I class Reg as a true friend and agree with most he has said, I was his > major supporter in his last little ruckest, but some of the posts from some > of our American friends are way over the top > > PSS. have a great day Chuck and all the best > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 05:49:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:49:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <20040914.220510.480.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005701c49b22$818fe120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the > engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the > engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the > engine. How would they have known the anchor-stay bolts were in some places down to 10 and 20 % of their original diameter ? That thing was held together with Bar's Leaks? and Gravity . From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 05:54:04 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:54:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: <009001c49adb$f683e1d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> <001601c49ae2$41ec2d20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <006201c49b23$16502bd0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Jeff, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > On his web site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:24 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > > >> Can someone send me Ted's e-mail address, I need to contact him. Thanks. >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Sep 15 06:02:17 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:02:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <41483D59.30079250@insulate.co.uk> Ron, Down the track, no-one will remember or care. Does anyone know if there's been any litigation, successful or not, concerning the Medina accident? Incidently, we DO have insurance here in the UK via the National Vintage Tractor and Engine Club. I think it's ?15 a year for a family membership. At some shows, we do have to show our club card. At others, no-one asks for it and we're not required to have any fencing, although we usually take our own, in the form of stakes and two ropes. If anyone asks to see one of the engines close up, we've never had a problem with them coming "into the compound" for a look, and at least we do have some kind of barrier to inform the uneducated public of what is considered a safe distance. I much prefer the ropes to the more common plastic orange fencing which makes it difficult to take uncluttered pictures of the engines. Dolly Ron Page wrote: > Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation > should this occur. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 15 06:09:32 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:09:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <20040914.220510.480.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41483F0C.000001.02088@NOTEBOOK> And the reason the cops stopped the engine??? Because the engine was low on water so the engineer was headed to the closest water supply and didn't take the time to lay his planks to cross the paved road!!!! Idiotic overzelous smartass cop thought he'd get a nice fine for that ticket. Marion Ohio, I was there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/14/04 23:16:01 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. = = = = = = = = = = The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the engine. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Sep 15 06:03:35 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:03:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> Message-ID: <008401c49b24$69c0fdc0$a86f29cb@oemcomputer> Thanks Kerry,I have been sitting here getting wilder and wilder about all the dumb ill informed crap that has been said.You have saved me from loosing it and saying things I may later regret.I am going to a show this weekend that will be fenced and under all the rules we have and I will have a great time. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:01 Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT > G'Day Chuck > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 15 06:24:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:24:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <41483D59.30079250@insulate.co.uk> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> <41483D59.30079250@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4eggk0lum3d09rach19ng09q5d6u8dfmco@4ax.com> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:02:17 +0100, you wrote: >Ron, >Down the track, no-one will remember or care. Does anyone know if there's been >any litigation, successful or not, concerning the Medina accident? Can't find anything in a quick search, lots of copies of the findings etc., but presumably as the owner/driver was one of those killed, there is not a lot further to go? >Incidently, we DO have insurance here in the UK via the National Vintage Tractor >and Engine Club. I think it's ?15 a year for a family membership. At some >shows, we do have to show our club card. At others, no-one asks for it and >we're not required to have any fencing, although we usually take our own, in the >form of stakes and two ropes. If anyone asks to see one of the engines close >up, we've never had a problem with them coming "into the compound" for a look, >and at least we do have some kind of barrier to inform the uneducated public of >what is considered a safe distance. I much prefer the ropes to the more common >plastic orange fencing which makes it difficult to take uncluttered pictures of >the engines. We have a similar arrangement with Beds & Bucks Engine club, ?5million third party cover for engines etc at shows/rallies but excluding pressure vessels and any vehicle requiring licensing for road use. Included in the annual subs of ?10. >Dolly > >Ron Page wrote: > >> Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation >> should this occur. >> One of the Medina report precis is at:- http://www.aws.org/itrends/05-02/bulletin.html Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 06:48:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:48:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <20040915.095954.756.9.jlb94@juno.com> Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. = = = = = = = = = = I hope someone read this besides me. THanks Chuck. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 06:45:35 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:45:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: John Deere Model E Message-ID: <20040915.095954.756.8.jlb94@juno.com> Peggy - Have you tried the Gas Engine Supply houses ? Hit & Miss Enterprises - P.O. Box 157 - 4462 Montgomery Road - Orwell, OH 44076 Tel. 440-272-5335 Has a manual listed for the "E". Starbolt Engine Supplies - 3403 Buckeystown Pike - Adamstown, MD 21710 Tel. 301-874-2821 Also has a manual listed. On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:23:33 -0400 "Spencer Yost" writes: > Here is a note I received late last week. These folks are not on the > list, > so if you can help them you will need to contact them directly. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > On 9/11/2004 at 10:17 AM PSulli5032 at aol.com > wrote: > > >We are looking for a copy of the John Deere Model E Engine manuel. > Is > >there > >anyway you can help us... > > > >Thanks so much. Peggy Sullivan, Port Lavaca, Texas > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 15 07:03:29 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:03:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <001001c49b2c$c80a48c0$1f690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, What really ticks me off is your decision to keep the engine. I was getting ready with an offer of some Enron stock if you would deliver the engine to Indiana , of course. Don't feel bad about the math error Dave, I had a professor in engineering that always said, "Those that can't do, teach and those that can't teach , pass out printed literature." He usually said this as he passed out a quiz. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula > >> Come on guys---Cut Dave some slack. He was using conservative math in his >> calculations. Geo. > >Hi Geo, > NO, not "Conservative math" but simply a mistake. Unlike LIBERALS >however (see: >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/bush_guard_documents_04091 4.html) we on the right admit it when we make a mistake! > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 07:04:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:04:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <20040915.101401.756.12.jlb94@juno.com> How would they have known the anchor-stay bolts were in some places down to 10 and 20 % of their original diameter ? That thing was held together with Bar's Leaks? and Gravity . = = = = = = = Beside the point - If the crown sheet hadn't went dry - It would've never happened. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 07:26:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:26:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <001001c49b2c$c80a48c0$1f690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <030701c49b2f$fa391670$0400a8c0@Dave> Don't feel bad about the math error Dave, I > had a professor in engineering that always said, "Those that can't do, teach > and those that can't teach , pass out printed literature." He usually said > this as he passed out a quiz. Geo. Hi Geo, I once heard about a professor who, when passing out a quiz, would say to the students "Now this is just one of my little Quizzes. Take my little Quizzie and hand it in in 10 minutes." Upon reading the quiz (which was 4 paragraphs long and required a 2 page response) a co-ed was once heard to exclaim "If this is an example of his 'little quizzie' I'd like to see his testies!" Dave From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 15 07:27:21 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:27:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Ivan Message-ID: Just been catching up on the lunchtime news, looks like the south-eastern US is going to take another pasting real soon: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3655550.stm This is the BBC's website page on the hurricane, the track seems to be taking a big sweep across the south-eastern states and then north-eastwards. Hope you guys are well battened down and got all your engines packed away, we also hope that nobody gets hurt. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Sep 15 07:59:16 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:59:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper><018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> <004f01c49b21$b5351f00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <004201c49b34$92ba3ce0$ab5c14d0@net.telenet.net> NOPE, you could have bought one anytime you wanted before Monday. Just pay the Federal transfer tax and about 8,000.00 or so and you can own any full auto you want as long as it was either imported before the '86 registration period, or was already in the country. As for a SEMI-Automatic, you could also buy any of them that you wanted as well. Just anything built between 1994 and 9/13/2004 could not have certain COSMETIC items that did nothing to the functionality of the rifle. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." > >>>>>>> > > After this past Monday , > will I now be able to buy a fully automatic hi-powered assault steamer of my > own ? > > Chuck B > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Sep 15 09:22:52 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:22:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7021026E2@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the engine. >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>>jlb94 at juno.com Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? >From the steam guys. http://www.atis.net/steam-engine/digest/v02.n612 Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 15 12:11:28 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hi Folks, There's been a heap of discussion over the whole insurance issue. On all sides of the various ponds. Can anyone cite ANY cases of engine show (rally) litigation over owner/operator negligence? Is there ANY body of case law that the insurance companies can cite to provide a claims-basis for rates or for the need for extensive protective measures? Or is the entire thing a cooked up scam? See ya, Arnie PS - Facts please, hear-say ain't gonna advance the debate. PPS - If anyone plans to flame The Flame Mistress, PLEASE do it on list. That has great amusement potential. 8-))) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation > should this occur. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim French" > > > > You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my > > opinion. > > Dolly From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 15 02:22:22 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:22:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> The HP formula I got out of a very early engine book was. (In inches) Bore x bore x stroke x RPM Divided by 18000 for a 4 cycle and 21000 for 2 cycle. It works out very close every time. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 15 05:31:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:31:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> < I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > tractors. Jeff Jeff, The National Historic Machinery Association was formed, partly to try and give the old machinery movement a united voice when the government was all set to try and screw us on our right to sell OUR property to whoever we wanted to. I wont go into deep details except to say that the Govt suddenly saw a chance to pull some money off us. (If I want to sell something that might be 'antique', and I ask more than $350 for it, I am supposed to declare it to the taxman so he can move in and collect) A portion of the movement were worried about'Heritage' iron leaving the country. etc. So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. I dont know who actually did the organising but, from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to disagree with the direction we are headed. Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. Most dont care! But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the least bit involved. Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, of course) ETC. The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never heard of any wild insurance claim. All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we should be in a home for the braindead. It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the insurance companies more than the public. The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without having insurance. The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be dragged to court where You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a matter of course. (But it MIGHT just happen so........) The more I write, the more desponent I become. Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong with things as they are. The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in case!' But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. A lot out there have forgotten that this thread all started because I spoke up about the costs involved with the Nat Rally. I passed my concerns onto the organisers and reported to rhe list on what transpired. I have no intention of degading the event or the organisers. All the rest of what has followed is the airing of 'for and against' views on how things are in Oz. My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, and the hobby will follow its course. So, lets just go onto a new topic. We have beaten this one to death and solved nothing. I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in and maybe some good will come of it all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jbcast at charter.net Wed Sep 15 15:58:02 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:58:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: <391s2r$979bk1@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> > It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the > insurance companies more than the public. > The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without > having insurance. > The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be > dragged to court where > You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a > matter of course. Most lawyers will tell you if there's no insurance involved you don't have a case. They feed off of insurance companies. By forcing you to by insurance they have job security. "It's not costing you, the insurance company is paying for it." J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From lfevans at pacbell.net Wed Sep 15 16:21:34 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:21:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw info wanted Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040915160136.031cdec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... A friend of mine is one of the directors of a small museum in northern California. They have a drag saw that was donated and I would like to get some information to help them with proper data for their records. Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ I could be wrong but it probably was sold by Montgomery Ward since stenciled on it is "Ward Sawyer No. 5000." It has a small water cooled two stroke engine with a Lunkenheimer carb and what appears to be a bracket for a Wico EK mag. Looking at some pictures of other saws I think this must have been made by either Wade or Vaughn for the retailer. If anyone can verify that it was sold by Montgomery Ward and who the maker was please let me know. Also I would be interested in knowing how large the blade would have been and approximate date of manufacture. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 16:45:39 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:45:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Connecticut Fall Festival Message-ID: <001601c49b7e$1d102b40$b7b6f504@x8h7l9> The Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival is coming up on September 25 and 26. It will be held in Kent Connecticut as usual. I have two empty bedrooms if anyone could use a place to stay. http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 16:59:17 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:59:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006701c49b80$03459ef0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Oh Reg, come on. In my time I have never seen the NHMA coerce any club to become affiliated. And as for your use of the word "rules". Well! I mentioned in an earlier email that the NHMA issues "guidelines" and these have to be read in conjunction with local council and state laws. This is due to the fact that these government laws vary from state to state and the NHMA would need to develop a document as big and as complex as the Tax Act.to cover them all. As far as I know there have been two issued 1) Safety Guidelines and 2) Tractor Guidelines. There was a third set of guidelines developed for the conduct of the National Rally however at the Henty National (you may have been there) the members voted for them to be Rules because it related to the NHMA event. The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without having insurance. You now as well as I do that if you want to put on a show in a public place the authories demand insurance cover of $10m before approval is granted and I have heard that in some areas $20m coverage is being asked for. It is not a mindset of a lot in the movement. It is a fact of life. It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the insurance companies more than the public. Like any insurance the insurer will outline their rules clearly and not so clearly to protect themselves as much as possible. Even your life insurance, house insurance, car insurance policies contain clauses for this purpose. I have played with and owned more engines than most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never heard of any wild insurance claim. Don't know about "wild" insurance claims however there have been claims 1) Campbelltown approximately 10 years ago and more recently out in SW NSW (our NHMA rep has been away so I cannot provide more details) The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be dragged to court where You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a matter of course. At least those associated with an Incorporated body like the NHMA or a seperately Incorporated club will be protected. While I disagree with some of your thougts as outlined above I can agree with your overall sentiments. I enjoy all the rallies I go to and from my observation they seem to be getting bigger and there are more of them. By comparison we have really cheap insurance costs because of the size of our organisation. There are a lot of organisations that have folded or cannot put on events because they could not afford the insurance premiums. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > < I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your > country, > > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > > tractors. > Jeff > > > > Jeff, The National Historic Machinery Association was formed, partly > to try and give the old > machinery movement a united voice when the government was all set to try > and screw us > on our right to sell OUR property to whoever we wanted to. I wont go into > deep details except to say that the Govt suddenly saw a chance to pull some > money off us. (If I want to sell something that might be 'antique', and I > ask more than $350 for it, I am supposed to declare it to the taxman so he > can move in and collect) > A portion of the movement were worried about'Heritage' iron leaving the > country. etc. > So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. > I dont know who actually did the organising but, > from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to > become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. > So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. > > I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to > disagree with the direction we are headed. > Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. > Most dont care! But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with > the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. > "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old > engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. > I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to > 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. > In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the > least bit involved. > Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, > of course) ETC. > The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! > > So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than > most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never > heard of any wild insurance claim. > > All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? > Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. > > If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we > should be in a home for the braindead. > > It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the > insurance companies more than the public. > The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without > having insurance. > The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be > dragged to court where > You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a > matter of course. > (But it MIGHT just happen so........) > > The more I write, the more desponent I become. > Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. > A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong > with things as they are. > The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in > case!' > > But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All > interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. > > A lot out there have forgotten that this thread all started because I spoke > up about the costs involved with the Nat Rally. > I passed my concerns onto the organisers and reported to rhe list on what > transpired. > I have no intention of degading the event or the organisers. > > All the rest of what has followed is the airing of 'for and against' views > on how things are in Oz. > > My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, > and the hobby will follow its course. > > So, lets just go onto a new topic. We have beaten this one to death and > solved nothing. > I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in > and maybe some good will come of it all. > > > > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 17:05:14 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:05:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <391s2r$979bk1@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <008301c49b80$d763d620$8a63fea9@sweeper> Obviously different in the US. Out in OZ you are likely to lose your assets if your don't have insurance to cover any outcome of litigation. Happened to a neighbour in my street. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > > > It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the > > insurance companies more than the public. > > The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without > > having insurance. > > The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be > > dragged to court where > > You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a > > matter of course. > Most lawyers will tell you if there's no insurance involved you don't have a case. They feed off of insurance companies. By forcing you to by insurance they have job security. "It's not costing you, the insurance company is paying for it." > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Sep 15 17:07:21 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:07:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <89.15356467.2e7a3339@aol.com> In a message dated 9/15/2004 8:01:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, page at velocitynet.com.au writes: << Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation should this occur. >> That club where the Medina explosion occurred is now defunct after twenty years of shows due to not being able to get show insurance. They even went to Lloyds of London. Some of their members joined the club that my brother-n-law belongs to in Cleveland, Ohio. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Sep 15 17:15:29 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:15:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <90.4b88a122.2e7a3521@aol.com> In a message dated 9/15/2004 9:14:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << Because the engine was low on water so the engineer was headed to the closest water supply and didn't take the time to lay his planks to cross the paved road!!!! >> Bob, >From what I have read and been told, the owner had just driven the engine from his farm up the road to the show. Did he loose all that water in the short drive? And if he was low on water, why did he inject it to cause the boiler to blow? Guess we will never know the answer to that question? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kd5byb at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 17:23:51 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Benjamin Hall) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Connecticut Fall Festival Message-ID: <21162254.1095294232139.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I have such fond memories of this show. Back in 1983, we went to this show in celebration of my 10th birthday (25 September). This show in Kent got me hooked on antique engines and led to a career in mechanical engineering... (BSME, UConn, '95) I'm glad this show is still going strong - just wish I was closer so I could attend. later, ben -----Original Message----- From: ED Sent: Sep 15, 2004 4:45 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, "stationary-engine at atis.net" Subject: Connecticut Fall Festival The Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival is coming up on September 25 and 26. It will be held in Kent Connecticut as usual. I have two empty bedrooms if anyone could use a place to stay. http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT --- >From the computer of Benjamin Hall. kd5byb at earthlink.net ATTENTION: Sender uses Earthlink Spamblocker. Please ignore spam warnings, I will get your reply. Thanks for your patience in getting this thing working properly. From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Sep 15 18:06:27 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:06:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw info wanted References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040915160136.031cdec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07d201c49b89$652bca50$e6f1af40@solar> Yes Wards is correct, I have one also Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw info wanted > Hi...... > > A friend of mine is one of the directors of a small museum in northern > California. They have a drag saw that was donated and I would like to get > some information to help them with proper data for their records. Pictures > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ > > I could be wrong but it probably was sold by Montgomery Ward since > stenciled on it is "Ward Sawyer No. 5000." It has a small water cooled two > stroke engine with a Lunkenheimer carb and what appears to be a bracket for > a Wico EK mag. Looking at some pictures of other saws I think this must > have been made by either Wade or Vaughn for the retailer. If anyone can > verify that it was sold by Montgomery Ward and who the maker was please let > me know. Also I would be interested in knowing how large the blade would > have been and approximate date of manufacture. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 18:08:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People Message-ID: <20040915.210849.712.2.jlb94@juno.com> Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? = = = = It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the event. Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam guy or not. I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. = = = By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. No Insurance Bullshit. It was one of the best I've attended. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Sep 14 18:52:30 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:52:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00c201c49ac6$a9a23ac0$35e94c0c@pentium> I had a few minutes to tinker this evening and I think I spotted the problem. It appears the govenor is out of adjustment. I can't believe I hadn't notced it before. As best I can tell it is completely shutting off the butterfly. It doesn't appear to be moving the throttle a lot but when it closes the butterfly it is causing the 8 cycling I am seeing, or at least that's my current theory. John From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 15 19:05:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:05:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! Message-ID: I've had quite an interesting day today. Got up really early to take Jane for a same-day surgical procedure in the next city over (Kingsport), and spent the whole day either in the waiting room watching people or back in the room with her (as expected, sick as hell after anesthesia.) Finally got home with her, and the UPS truck was blocking the driveway. I could see that he had a box on the porch and was ringing the doorbell looking for a signature. I pushed the remote garage door opener, he finally saw us and I signed his computer. As we pulled in we saw that the big box said "Gibson." My wife, still sick, aroused enough to say in a rather accusatory tone "You didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, not me. That certainly is interesting, though. Wonder what it is?" As we went in, she said again "You really didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, wasn't me!" She said, "Maybe you have a secret admirer." "If they want to send me Gibsons, that's fine with me. Hmmm, I have entered a few guitar sweepstakes on the Web." My son came up from the basement in time to hear that. We went out on the porch and brought in the big box from the Gibson Guitar company. I opened the invoice on the outside first, and it said "Web contest winner." I couldn't stop laughing. Opened the big box and found a fancy archtop hard case with a Pete Townshend SJ-200 super jumbo acoustic inside! Also included are 10 sets of Gibson strings, a bag of Gibson picks, a fancy alligator leather Gibson strap, a sound hole humidifier, guitar polish of two sorts, string cleaner/conditioner and fretboard conditioner. Took me a bit to notice, but the guitar's also fitted with a pickup. No onboard preamp, just a basic piezo. The spec page says it's a Fishman picked out by P.T. Over on Harmony Central there's a blurb about it with Pete Townshend talking about it. Says he'd no sooner smash this guitar than he would his own right hand. It certainly is a pretty thing, and can be seen here: http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/J-200/ptsj-200.html It's got a wonderful sound and gobs of sustain. Smells new! Has a Pete Townshend signature inlaid in the fretboard, and he's also signed the label inside it. This is one sweet guitar! At an MSRP of $5198 it doesn't quite fit in with my cheap guitar collection, but then, free is pretty cheap! Now I'm going to be hearing murmurs of "Look at that great guitar! Too bad it belongs to THAT bozo!" John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From clemsweller at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 19:27:16 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:27:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> Message-ID: <000001c49b94$b798dc50$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Kerry, I am truly sorry if you think that my comments are over the top. It is a shame that you and many others don't see the larger picture of what is happening with the insurance and the freedoms that you are slowly but surely losing. Let's see if it's $12 per year in 10 years. Actually, if I understand some of the posts, it's $12 per person per year. Therefore, if you have a wife and 2 kids you wish to bring inside the compound, then you are already paying $48 per year. I beg your forgiveness if my zeal for my Engine hobby and my freedom offends you or anyone else on the list. However, I will reserve my right to express myself and my opinions. Yes, you too are entitled to yours. But I would think you could do better than debunking someone's ideas that differ from your own opinions as just being Crap. I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up and leave, did the Chief back off. Without you and I and the multitude of engine owners that volunteer our time, money and love for the hobby, there would be no engine shows! Allowing spectators to get a close look, touch, feel, even start an engine with assistance from the owner is a great way to expand our hobby. Why take that away? By the way, I did go out and start 6 engines and didn't even get hurt! Chuck 6, insurance 0! G'Day Kerry! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT G'Day Chuck >Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. Now that you have told us what you know crap about, do you think you could follow up with something you may have knowledge about say ah engines, well that was the subject of the list. > The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. Crap, Judges not individuals decides who is responsible > It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. Crap, No one in Australia thinks our hobby is being slaughtered (well may be one), in fact every rally I have been to is bigger than the last, > But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Same Crap as above, I am happy to pay $12 for 12 months insurance, have not spoken to anyone that has a problem with the $12 well except for a few Yanks like yourself >Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. You are starting to ramble now > As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. Your right, just goes to show you we have people full of crap over here to, you need to do your homework a little more if you are talking to a Aussie, a liberal is on the other side of politics eg Right Wing. > Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. We sure will, you need to know that we Aussies are fun loving group of people that enjoy ourselves no matter where we are, our hobby is about people that we call mates, the insurance, bloody fences don't and will not get in the way of that. Sorry Dolly even after your be nice post I cannot help myself, this load of crap needed an answer, and I will except the flames Kerry PS. I class Reg as a true friend and agree with most he has said, I was his major supporter in his last little ruckest, but some of the posts from some of our American friends are way over the top PSS. have a great day Chuck and all the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Sep 15 19:43:06 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:43:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> <00c201c49ac6$a9a23ac0$35e94c0c@pentium> Message-ID: <003e01c49b96$e587d2e0$496f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi John.While ever you have that much advance on your ignition you will get 8 stroking affect.Cut it down to 5 deg or even les as long as the engine is not labouring.Also check you exhaust valve spring tension as if it is not strong enough it will cause 8 stroking as it may be sucked open and give lean mixture.This can be impercievable to the eye but does happen. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:52 Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte > I had a few minutes to tinker this evening and I think I spotted the > problem. It appears the govenor is out of adjustment. I can't believe I > hadn't notced it before. As best I can tell it is completely shutting off > the butterfly. It doesn't appear to be moving the throttle a lot but when it > closes the butterfly it is causing the 8 cycling I am seeing, or at least > that's my current theory. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 20:02:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:02:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: Message-ID: <001501c49b99$a223e720$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John, Can't think of a better winner for the contest. No Portland, and Jane sick, you needed this. Ain't played in some time, and my only guitar is on loan to a neighbor kid right now. Saved em some money when she gets tired of it. Sweet looking guitar and looks much like the ones my buddy makes. Way out of my league. Got to see the only twelve string he ever made a while back. Intonation is still perfect after 25 years and the owner turned down a 15K offer for it. The archtop f-hole with the florentine cutout he made would bring tears to your eyes. I have some pictures if you want them contact me off list. The luthier playing his 12 string. Who did that Pete guy play with? Lame, but I had to do it. :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! > I've had quite an interesting day today. Got up really early to take Jane > for a same-day surgical procedure in the next city over (Kingsport), and > spent the whole day either in the waiting room watching people or back in > the room with her (as expected, sick as hell after anesthesia.) Finally > got home with her, and the UPS truck was blocking the driveway. I could > see that he had a box on the porch and was ringing the doorbell looking > for a signature. I pushed the remote garage door opener, he finally saw us > and I signed his computer. As we pulled in we saw that the big box said > "Gibson." My wife, still sick, aroused enough to say in a rather > accusatory tone "You didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, not me. That > certainly is interesting, though. Wonder what it is?" As we went in, she > said again "You really didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, wasn't me!" > She said, "Maybe you have a secret admirer." "If they want to send me > Gibsons, that's fine with me. Hmmm, I have entered a few guitar > sweepstakes on the Web." My son came up from the basement in time to hear > that. We went out on the porch and brought in the big box from the Gibson > Guitar company. I opened the invoice on the outside first, and it said > "Web contest winner." I couldn't stop laughing. Opened the big box and > found a fancy archtop hard case with a Pete Townshend SJ-200 super jumbo > acoustic inside! Also included are 10 sets of Gibson strings, a bag of > Gibson picks, a fancy alligator leather Gibson strap, a sound hole > humidifier, guitar polish of two sorts, string cleaner/conditioner and > fretboard conditioner. Took me a bit to notice, but the guitar's also > fitted with a pickup. No onboard preamp, just a basic piezo. The spec page > says it's a Fishman picked out by P.T. Over on Harmony Central there's a > blurb about it with Pete Townshend talking about it. Says he'd no sooner > smash this guitar than he would his own right hand. It certainly is a > pretty thing, and can be seen here: > http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/J-200/ptsj-200.html It's got a wonderful > sound and gobs of sustain. Smells new! Has a Pete Townshend signature > inlaid in the fretboard, and he's also signed the label inside it. This is > one sweet guitar! At an MSRP of $5198 it doesn't quite fit in with my > cheap guitar collection, but then, free is pretty cheap! > > Now I'm going to be hearing murmurs of "Look at that great guitar! Too bad > it belongs to THAT bozo!" > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 15 20:42:47 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:42:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <000a01c49b9f$3cbde600$5e680b42@gnarmstrong> Arnie, I understand the Portland group has 3 cases of llitigation they are currently envolved in over butt-buggy incidents during shows. They are quite concerned over them I'm told by one of their directors. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter >Hi Folks, > >There's been a heap of discussion over the whole insurance issue. On all >sides of the various ponds. > >Can anyone cite ANY cases of engine show (rally) litigation over >owner/operator negligence? Is there ANY body of case law that the >insurance companies can cite to provide a claims-basis for rates or for >the need for extensive protective measures? > >Or is the entire thing a cooked up scam? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Facts please, hear-say ain't gonna advance the debate. > >PPS - If anyone plans to flame The Flame Mistress, PLEASE do it on list. >That has great amusement potential. 8-))) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > >> Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation >> should this occur. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jim French" >> > >> > You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my >> > opinion. >> > Dolly >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dncetz at watchtv.net Wed Sep 15 20:58:32 2004 From: dncetz at watchtv.net (Doug Etzkorn) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:58:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] yes i want to subscription Message-ID: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 16 02:19:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:19:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] steve webre Message-ID: <01f801c49bce$50e6fca0$58111bd3@athlon> Please can you contact me off list? Your address that I have is not working. Thanks. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From bmvid at snet.net Thu Sep 16 04:32:33 2004 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:32:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tobacco Valley Flywheelers Show, Haddam CT Message-ID: <414979D1.7010405@snet.net> The Tobacco Valley Flywheelers is having its annual Show at Haddam Meadows State Park in Haddam CT this weekend (Sept. 18th and 19th) if anyones interested. Its a nice show on the banks of the Connecticut River in southern CT with plenty of room to spread out. Hopefully the remains of Ivan will miss us. We'll be there rain or shine! Mick -- -- ----------------------- Mick DeMaria Rockfall, Connecticut ----------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 16 05:04:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <000001c49b94$b798dc50$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c49b94$b798dc50$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: Hiya Chuck, DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief when he came to inspect. Sigh.... Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, chuck emsweller wrote: > I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows > within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just > aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this > control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts > besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As > a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. > Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State > law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine > shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on > these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. > This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our > response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open > canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but > where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up > and leave, did the Chief back off. From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 05:13:19 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:13:19 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: Message-ID: <4149835F.000001.01684@NOTEBOOK> Ya gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm with ya Arnie. I'm rushing to Menards to get my signs today. I'll post em at every flippin show I attend from now on. hMMMM maybe I'll just get four "NOT AN EXIT" signs and wait for "THE" question. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 08:00:12 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT Hiya Chuck, DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief when he came to inspect. Sigh.... Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, chuck emsweller wrote: > I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows > within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just > aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this > control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts > besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As > a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. > Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State > law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine > shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on > these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. > This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our > response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open > canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but > where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up > and leave, did the Chief back off. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 16 05:21:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <000a01c49b9f$3cbde600$5e680b42@gnarmstrong> References: <000a01c49b9f$3cbde600$5e680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: Hi George, I would put those butt-buggy incidents in the same category as traffic accidents or thefts on the grounds. Those aren't related to the exhibits. Thanks for the input though. Portland has every right to be concerned about butt buggies. Despite their best efforts, they continue to be badly abused. And while I'm on that soapbox, let me vent on a related pet peeve. Fat isn't "handicapped." I continue to see "handicapped use" butt buggies being used by folks whose only problem is that they can't quit stuffing food into their pie hole. The most dramatic examples were at the Findlay Ohio show this August. There was one fella, mid to late 20's, had to weigh 500-700 lbs. His arm was a blur as he continued to feed. Think Jabba the Hut. The golf cart could not fully contain his bulk, fortunatly his driver was skinny. Then by way of contrast, there were a number of folks (both men and women), some I'm guessing former farmers, who appeared to have been badly injured at one time, as they were in obvious pain as they struggled to slowly walk the show grounds using canes, walkers, etc. But walk the grounds they did!! My hat's off to them! Too bad that Jabba the Hut probably didn't notice. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > I understand the Portland group has 3 cases of llitigation they are > currently envolved in over butt-buggy incidents during shows. They are > quite concerned over them I'm told by one of their directors. Geo. From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 16 05:36:33 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:36:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <030701c49b2f$fa391670$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <001001c49b2c$c80a48c0$1f690b42@gnarmstrong> <030701c49b2f$fa391670$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <414988D1.9060904@udata.com> Dave Rotigel wrote: > Don't feel bad about the math error Dave, I > > >>had a professor in engineering that always said, "Those that can't do, >> >> >teach > > >>and those that can't teach , pass out printed literature." He usually said >>this as he passed out a quiz. Geo. >> >> > >Hi Geo, > I once heard about a professor who, when passing out a quiz, would say >to the students "Now this is just one of my little Quizzes. Take my little >Quizzie and hand it in in 10 minutes." Upon reading the quiz (which was 4 >paragraphs long and required a 2 page response) a co-ed was once heard to >exclaim "If this is an example of his 'little quizzie' I'd like to see his >testies!" > Dave > > > So Dave did you show her??????????????????????????????????/ -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 16 05:55:42 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: G'day Reg, On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. > I dont know who actually did the organising but, > from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to > become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. > So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. This is often a problem with many of organizations formed for good and noble purposes. There are often a handful of small minded piss-ants who are on power trips and want to organize "rules" to make things go their way. Our club had one and the folks at Badger in Wisconsin had a couple of beauts. Fortunatly, both clubs had folks who were willing to invest the time and emotional energy to rein in these nut cases. Not everyone is so fortunate. > I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to > disagree with the direction we are headed. And more importantly, share your views on what's wrong and what should be done to correct the situation. > Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. > Most dont care! AND THAT is the critical issue!! > But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with > the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. > "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old > engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. And, from my perspective, it won't stop at the shores of Oz either unless we stop it. > I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to > 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. > In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the > least bit involved. > Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, > of course) ETC. Call me a rebel, but I will ALWAYS give kids (and interested grownups) that opportunity. And I think Dave will always offer an attractive lady the opportunity to "push his button" when he has the 15 hp Domestic out to play. And if a rally organizer chooses to throw me off the grounds for such heretical behavior, so be it! > The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! Hell Reg, at the Lister-Petter rally I attended in England in 2002, they were quite clear in terms of the "message" the rally organizers wanted to convey to the punters. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/lp/1.jpg > So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than > most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never > heard of any wild insurance claim. Nor have I. > All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? > Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. Ed Zaccary!! > If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we > should be in a home for the braindead. No, that's where the "rule makers" are coming from. > The more I write, the more desponent I become. > Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. > A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong > with things as they are. > The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in > case!' Keep the faith bro!! You ain't alone!! > But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All > interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. Hey Reggie, you just need to come the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave more often where interactions with the spectators can still take place. Who knows, you lot may even regain your freedom one day. 8-)) > My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, > and the hobby will follow its course. Yeah but.... If no one stands up and says the Emperor is butt naked and has a short ugly dick, you become a land of sheeple. Not a good thing. Fortunatly the whole notion of Tort Reform is growing more visible. Folks are coming to realize that two industries add nothing to society and, in fact, take quite a lot. Those industries are Trial Lawyers and Insurance Companies. Here in the US there are areas where there are no doctors because they can't afford the malpractice insurance. And the people who can't get medical attention are becoming more vocal. This problem will resolve itself favorably. But only if folks continue to point out the Emperor's "shortcomings." > I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in > and maybe some good will come of it all. Hear. Hear. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Sep 16 06:11:56 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7021029A6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>Pictures can be seen at: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ Larry, In picture #7, just over the stamped letters and numbers, is that a core/casting/freeze plug? If so, it appears to have been installed from the inside? That's a beautiful chain wheel! Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 16 06:18:46 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:18:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: Message-ID: <001f01c49bef$b2b34a80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> You gotta be kidding me ! Thats a hell of a thing to come home from hospital to Better trade it for a really tight pre war Martin before you scratch it . Chuck Balyeat Mehicoway From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Sep 16 06:21:30 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J-200 Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7021029AD@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Now I'm going to be hearing murmurs of "Look at that great guitar! Too bad it belongs to THAT bozo!" >>>John C "Murmurs"? More like shrieks. Congratulations, John, and our best to Lady Jane. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 16 06:27:24 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:27:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] yes i want to subscription In-Reply-To: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> References: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Message-ID: <414994BC.3060500@udata.com> Doug Etzkorn wrote: Gday Doug, it is good to see you now on list with us. Hope you enjoy the ride up and down all the hills and countyside. Also tell us more about you, like where in Ahia do you live what Portland show is the best show in the world. and anything else you like.....8-) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 16 06:35:19 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:35:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <4149835F.000001.01684@NOTEBOOK> References: <4149835F.000001.01684@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <41499697.9020909@udata.com> Bob Jacobs wrote: >Ya gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >I'm with ya Arnie. I'm rushing to Menards to get my signs today. I'll post >em at every flippin show I attend from now on. > >hMMMM maybe I'll just get four "NOT AN EXIT" signs and wait for "THE" >question. > > > > > >Hiya Chuck, > > > >DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! > > > >I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and > >purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four > >open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief > >when he came to inspect. Sigh.... > > > >Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > > > >>I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows >> >> > > > >>within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just >> >> > > > >>aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this >> >> > > > >>control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts >> >> > > > >>besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As >> >> > > > >>a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. >> >> > > > >>Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State >> >> > > > >>law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine >> >> > > > >>shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on >> >> > > > >>these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. >> >> > > > >>This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our >> >> > > > >>response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open >> >> > > > >>canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but >> >> > > > >>where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up >> >> > > > >>and leave, did the Chief back off. >> >> Now now fellers, this sounds like you are trying to have some fun and a little rub of the grin, but at who's cost and what will the insurance companies think when they see this happening. ps what is the proper code for flying my flags over my porta tree??? and how many people do I insult with the Ahia flag and not the other 48 ( sorry Kal.) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 06:50:52 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:50:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <41499697.9020909@udata.com> Message-ID: <41499A3C.000001.00372@NOTEBOOK> Now now fellers, this sounds like you are trying to have some fun and a little rub of the grin, but at who's cost and what will the insurance companies think when they see this happening. ps what is the proper code for flying my flags over my porta tree??? and how many people do I insult with the Ahia flag and not the other 48 ( sorry Kal.) -- C-ya Leroy Clark fun???? FUN???? Who wants to have fun. I don't know about anyone else but I collect this old iron simply because I like throwing my back out loading and unloading, I enjoy ripping the skin off my knuckles trying to get them rusty old bolts loose, I have an excess of funds that I simply have to waste away, I love my neighbors offering me the use of their lawnmowers simply because my doesn't sound "healthy" - (that taught me not to fire my maytag up at home LOL) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 07:08:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:08:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! Message-ID: <20040916.103126.620.7.jlb94@juno.com> Whoa !!! John !!! Did you actually win this guitar ? BIG CONGRATS !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 06:42:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:42:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PRICELESS opportunity Message-ID: <20040916.103126.620.5.jlb94@juno.com> Arnie - Do I picture an Exit Sign on Dave's Canopy ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 16 07:45:19 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:45:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO Message-ID: <003301c49bfb$cd046390$a744e5d8@gary> Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 16 07:46:49 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:46:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: <20040916.103126.620.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003a01c49bfc$011bcec0$a744e5d8@gary> Well, that's apparently what he told Lady Jane! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! > Whoa !!! John !!! > > Did you actually win this guitar ? > > BIG CONGRATS !!! > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Sep 16 08:01:08 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:01:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] yes i want to subscription References: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> <414994BC.3060500@udata.com> Message-ID: <4149AAB4.A794F3CF@insulate.co.uk> I thought I recognised that name in connection with the Portland show. Hi, Doug and welcome to the list. Hopefully you'll get to see why so many of us want to get together, and choose your show to do it! Dolly "Leroy C." wrote: > Doug Etzkorn wrote: > > Gday > Doug, it is good to see you now on list with us. Hope you enjoy the > ride up and down all the hills and countyside. Also tell us more about > you, like where in Ahia do you live what Portland show is the best show > in the world. and anything else you like.....8-) -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Sep 16 08:09:02 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures Message-ID: <20040916150902.28705.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> I finally got the pictures from the Gade Show up on the web. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Gade1.htm There are 6 pages of pictures. Enjoy. Steve ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Sep 16 05:09:33 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:09:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <03b101c49be6$07262420$0100a8c0@Portable> Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Sep 16 05:10:04 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:10:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <03ba01c49be6$199deca0$0100a8c0@Portable> From nick at holden1.net Thu Sep 16 10:20:08 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:20:08 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <03b101c49be6$07262420$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <4149CB48.000001.03220@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> its ok in the UK -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 18:09:18 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Thu Sep 16 12:34:25 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arne question Message-ID: <003901c49c24$2daec280$6e680b42@gnarmstrong> Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing work and the reason for the question. Geo. From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Thu Sep 16 14:03:15 2004 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:03:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO In-Reply-To: <003301c49bfb$cd046390$a744e5d8@gary> Message-ID: GARY I plan to be there to look around. Bill Calvert -----Original Message----- From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weirgrant at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 14:52:06 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:52:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People? Message-ID: Hi Joe and all, I'm coming into this one a bit late... we are talking about the Medina incident arent we? While I am not officialy a "steam guy", I do enjoy observing the hobby and love steamers of all kinds. I do not want to get into a pissing contest either, although after eating two quarts of strawberry yogurt last night before bed I'm ready to challenge anyone this morning! :-). Seriously, click on the link below for an impressive report on the condition of the boiler made after the "accident". The report clearly shows a very worn/corroded boiler that should have never been fired in the condition it was in. I'm just as sickened by overly safety minded show organizers as anyone else but... I must admit to being rather disgusted with what appears to be a steam engine owners total disregard for the life and safety of others. It has been said that he was an experienced "steam guy". I wonder what his excuse would have been if he had lived? Truly a very sad day for all. http://www.doli.state.mn.us/boilerohio.html Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400 > >Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new >asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked >then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? >= = = = >It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the >event. > >Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the >Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. > >I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam >guy or not. >I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator >Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. >= = = >By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good >amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas >Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know >how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their >vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor >fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. >No Insurance Bullshit. >It was one of the best I've attended. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com >,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days >\/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." >(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft? SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Sep 16 15:28:58 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:28:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> Arnie I don't know if you read my response to Reg's Email but if you did you would note some corrections to the mis-information being generated about the NHMA. Further, if I wasn't a leather skin old fella I would take offence at being called a small minded piss-ant. I was on the committee of the NHMA for four years. Those that are elected to the committee are volunteers, are nominated by their clubs and elected to the position years by members at the annual meeting. The term of office is only two years however, you can stay on if you are re-nominated and re-elected. Members are elected from all over Oz. Hence you tend to meet only once a year. What I find annoying is that nearly all the "critics" are fence sitters. These "critics" will not get off their bums get on the committee and do some work. It is quite easy really. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > G'day Reg, > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. > > I dont know who actually did the organising but, > > from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to > > become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. > > So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. > > This is often a problem with many of organizations formed for good and > noble purposes. There are often a handful of small minded piss-ants > who are on power trips and want to organize "rules" to make things go > their way. Our club had one and the folks at Badger in Wisconsin had a > couple of beauts. Fortunatly, both clubs had folks who were willing to > invest the time and emotional energy to rein in these nut cases. Not > everyone is so fortunate. > > > I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to > > disagree with the direction we are headed. > > And more importantly, share your views on what's wrong and what should be > done to correct the situation. > > > Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. > > Most dont care! > > AND THAT is the critical issue!! > > > But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with > > the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. > > "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old > > engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. > > And, from my perspective, it won't stop at the shores of Oz either unless > we stop it. > > > I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to > > 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. > > In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the > > least bit involved. > > Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, > > of course) ETC. > > Call me a rebel, but I will ALWAYS give kids (and interested grownups) > that opportunity. And I think Dave will always offer an attractive lady > the opportunity to "push his button" when he has the 15 hp Domestic out to > play. And if a rally organizer chooses to throw me off the grounds for > such heretical behavior, so be it! > > > The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! > > Hell Reg, at the Lister-Petter rally I attended in England in 2002, they > were quite clear in terms of the "message" the rally organizers wanted to > convey to the punters. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/lp/1.jpg > > > So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than > > most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never > > heard of any wild insurance claim. > > Nor have I. > > > All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? > > Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. > > Ed Zaccary!! > > > If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we > > should be in a home for the braindead. > > No, that's where the "rule makers" are coming from. > > > The more I write, the more desponent I become. > > Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. > > A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong > > with things as they are. > > The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in > > case!' > > Keep the faith bro!! You ain't alone!! > > > But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All > > interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. > > Hey Reggie, you just need to come the Land of the Free and the Home > of the Brave more often where interactions with the spectators can still > take place. Who knows, you lot may even regain your freedom one day. 8-)) > > > My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, > > and the hobby will follow its course. > > Yeah but.... If no one stands up and says the Emperor is butt naked and > has a short ugly dick, you become a land of sheeple. Not a good thing. > > Fortunatly the whole notion of Tort Reform is growing more visible. Folks > are coming to realize that two industries add nothing to society and, in > fact, take quite a lot. Those industries are Trial Lawyers and Insurance > Companies. Here in the US there are areas where there are no doctors > because they can't afford the malpractice insurance. And the people who > can't get medical attention are becoming more vocal. > > This problem will resolve itself favorably. But only if folks continue to > point out the Emperor's "shortcomings." > > > I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in > > and maybe some good will come of it all. > > Hear. Hear. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 17:07:52 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Stupid People In-Reply-To: <20040915.210849.712.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040917000752.85287.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Not to get in a pissing match either but it was Operator's Error to allow himself to get Distracted. And yes I both own and operate a steamer. jlb94 at juno.com wrote: Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? = = = = It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the event. Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam guy or not. I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. = = = By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. No Insurance Bullshit. It was one of the best I've attended. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 16 17:08:48 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:08:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO References: Message-ID: <005201c49c4a$a1da5590$a744e5d8@gary> Hi Bill, Will you be there Fri or Sat. We will be there tomorrow, Fri. I am not displaying since I can't be there on Sat. I will be strolling around wearing a hat with an ATIS pin on it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > GARY > > > I plan to be there to look around. > > Bill Calvert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > > > Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest > Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than > just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is > probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. > > Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, > southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this > show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Sep 16 17:12:57 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:12:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! In-Reply-To: <001f01c49bef$b2b34a80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <001f01c49bef$b2b34a80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <543192A6-083E-11D9-82BD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> It already occurred to me I could sell it to pay for a shiny new National Tricone with flowers engraved all over it, and still have some boot. But Jane has made it clear that I may not sell Pete's guitar. Guess I'll have to do as I'm told. It's amazing; whenever I play this I sound just like a deaf, dumb and blind kid. John On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:18 AM, wrote: > You gotta be kidding me ! > Thats a hell of a thing to come > home from hospital to > Better trade it for a really tight pre war Martin > before you scratch it . From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Sep 16 17:17:01 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:17:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <4149CB48.000001.03220@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <03b101c49be6$07262420$0100a8c0@Portable> <4149CB48.000001.03220@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Yes, his testies seem to be OK. On Sep 16, 2004, at 1:20 PM, nick wrote: > its ok in the UK > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/16/04 18:09:18 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] test > > > > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ._______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 17:25:21 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:25:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Message-ID: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 17:56:11 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:56:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People? References: Message-ID: <002401c49c51$205175b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Grant, Thanks for sharing this. I've read so many opinions on what happened at Medina, I didn't know what to believe. I think this report makes it quite clear for those that take the time to read it. Only thing I know about steam tractors is that they are a lot of fun to see and be around. Saw my first ones at Bird city this summer and not only saw them but got to ride on a couple. I was a little hesitant because of Medina. I checked them out while they were getting ready to run, and noticed the inspection tags on all of them. Felt much more at ease, and the drivers I talked with were very knowledgeable and competent. Can't wait for next years show. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Weir" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People? > > Hi Joe and all, > > I'm coming into this one a bit late... we are talking about the Medina > incident arent we? While I am not officialy a "steam guy", I do enjoy > observing the hobby and love steamers of all kinds. I do not want to get > into a pissing contest either, although after eating two quarts of > strawberry yogurt last night before bed I'm ready to challenge anyone this > morning! :-). Seriously, click on the link below for an impressive > report on the condition of the boiler made after the "accident". The > report clearly shows a very worn/corroded boiler that should have never > been fired in the condition it was in. I'm just as sickened by overly > safety minded show organizers as anyone else but... I must admit to being > rather disgusted with what appears to be a steam engine owners total > disregard for the life and safety of others. It has been said that he was > an experienced "steam guy". I wonder what his excuse would have been if > he had lived? Truly a very sad day for all. > > http://www.doli.state.mn.us/boilerohio.html > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > >>From: jlb94 at juno.com >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People >>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400 >> >>Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new >>asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked >>then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? >>= = = = >>It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the >>event. >> >>Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the >>Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. >> >>I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam >>guy or not. >>I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator >>Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. >>= = = >>By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good >>amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas >>Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know >>how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their >>vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor >>fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. >>No Insurance Bullshit. >>It was one of the best I've attended. >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>jlb94 at juno.com >>,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days >>\/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." >>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented > Microsoft? SmartScreen Technology. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Sep 16 17:56:48 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:56:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <028001c49c51$3622c970$fd6b7343@solar> cant do it, One a little nicer sold in the $700 range this week, Its just to close to say he is on drugs far eastern herbs maybe, For medicinal purposes of course, It looks like a nice motor except for the broken cooling fin. Ive seen alot of bad ones sell for $500 to $600. ebay 3840593261 Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:11:49 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:11:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 18:12:33 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:12:33 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <414A3A01.000001.01480@NOTEBOOK> Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:14:38 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:14:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <41499697.9020909@udata.com> Message-ID: <001901c49c53$bb86aa80$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Great idea. I think I'll go get 4 of them tomorrow for this weekend show in New Point Indiana! Same county maybe the chief will be there and take the hint. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C. Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT Bob Jacobs wrote: >Ya gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >I'm with ya Arnie. I'm rushing to Menards to get my signs today. I'll post >em at every flippin show I attend from now on. > >hMMMM maybe I'll just get four "NOT AN EXIT" signs and wait for "THE" >question. > > > > > >Hiya Chuck, > > > >DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! > > > >I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and > >purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four > >open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief > >when he came to inspect. Sigh.... > > > >Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > > > >>I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows >> >> > > > >>within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just >> >> > > > >>aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this >> >> > > > >>control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts >> >> > > > >>besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As >> >> > > > >>a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. >> >> > > > >>Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State >> >> > > > >>law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine >> >> > > > >>shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on >> >> > > > >>these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. >> >> > > > >>This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our >> >> > > > >>response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open >> >> > > > >>canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but >> >> > > > >>where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up >> >> > > > >>and leave, did the Chief back off. >> >> Now now fellers, this sounds like you are trying to have some fun and a little rub of the grin, but at who's cost and what will the insurance companies think when they see this happening. ps what is the proper code for flying my flags over my porta tree??? and how many people do I insult with the Ahia flag and not the other 48 ( sorry Kal.) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Sep 16 18:24:52 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:24:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <414A3A01.000001.01480@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <032101c49c55$21bc5380$fd6b7343@solar> Bad BOB really bad Bob! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 18:26:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:26:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <032101c49c55$21bc5380$fd6b7343@solar> Message-ID: <414A3D53.000003.01480@NOTEBOOK> OK, go ahead and whip me, I deserve it!!! But I did get a really sweet 5hp Jumbo -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:21:59 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bad BOB really bad Bob! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:45:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:45:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <414A3A01.000001.01480@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <000801c49c57$f3a0dc70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bob, That would make grown men cry Bob. Left them for scrap? Well, Arnies probably tickled. If it's old and an engine and you can find room you have to take it. If you don't have room you tell your buddies. Never leave it for scrap. I am trying to find a home for a free corn thresher at present. One taker for sure if the club can't take it. Have you been taking medication for this desease? If so, step away from the doctor and get back to abnormal. Almost want to use the initials. :-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 18:51:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:51:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000801c49c57$f3a0dc70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <414A432B.000001.02548@NOTEBOOK> I'm crying, believe me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid SOB -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:39:39 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, That would make grown men cry Bob. Left them for scrap? Well, Arnies probably tickled. If it's old and an engine and you can find room you have to take it. If you don't have room you tell your buddies. Never leave it for scrap. I am trying to find a home for a free corn thresher at present. One taker for sure if the club can't take it. Have you been taking medication for this desease? If so, step away from the doctor and get back to abnormal. Almost want to use the initials. :-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:59:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:59:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures References: <20040916150902.28705.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c49c59$e91e3570$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Steve, Thanks for the pictures. Saw my first Gade last month. One of the little horizontals and fell in love. I want one. Talked to the owner a bit and I guess they are great. This show was on asphault so he didn't run that engine. Said it dances to much unless in the dirt. Hope to see it at the upcoming local shows running. Two weekends in a row and ain't life grand. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures >I finally got the pictures from the Gade Show up on the web. Here is the > link: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Gade1.htm > > There are 6 pages of pictures. Enjoy. > > Steve > > ===== > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Thu Sep 16 19:06:16 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 2:06:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Ivan Message-ID: <391to2$9c58sp@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Just been catching up on the lunchtime news, looks like the south-eastern US is > going to take another pasting real soon: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3655550.stm > > This is the BBC's website page on the hurricane, the track seems to be taking a > big sweep across the south-eastern states and then north-eastwards. > > Hope you guys are well battened down and got all your engines packed away, we > also hope that nobody gets hurt. > > Peter > We missed it Peter, had us worried for a while. They had been predicting a turn to the NE, but it didn't do it until the last minute. We had some wind gust but no rain. We're west of New orleans and north of Grand Isle, been seeing a steady stream of evacuees, going and coming. J.B.Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From old_iron at msn.com Thu Sep 16 09:15:24 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:15:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL: OT Anyone going to Racine Show?/Pitty Party Message-ID: Anyone going to the Racine WI Show this week end?? Bill and Bill III will be attend, again I have to work. Anyone have any good ideas on how to find a job?? I have sent resumes' out like crazy and not one response have even tried some of those services that charge you to get your resume noticed and still nothing. I just want a job that is Monday - Friday and pays about $25 to $30 K a year. Peg Pfeiffer From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 16 21:36:41 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:36:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! In-Reply-To: <543192A6-083E-11D9-82BD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > It already occurred to me I could sell it to pay for a shiny new > National Tricone with flowers engraved all over it, and still > have some boot. But Jane has made it clear that I may not > sell Pete's guitar. Guess I'll have to do as I'm told. > > It's amazing; whenever I play this I sound just like a deaf, > dumb and blind kid. Fret not, young man. Fret not... get it? Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Sniff... Anyway, did you look at the other items being offered by the joker with the $800 Maytag? You could sell your authentic Pete "Just Browsing the Pictures for Research" Townshend Gibson, buy one of these, and kick out the jams like the master himself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13721&item=6118723693 From yostsw at atis.net Thu Sep 16 21:39:29 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:39:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Call for Portland pictures Message-ID: <200409170039290515.07AE6518@heavyiron.atis.net> Just a reminder - ATIS has an image depot that you can upload pictures to. I would really like to get some Portland pictures up there. To use the image depot, simply create an account, log in, then upload your pictures to the "incoming" folder. The incoming folder is hidden until you log in. http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/ Thanks Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 16 21:46:17 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:46:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <061c01c49c71$458ccf30$0400a8c0@Dave> > Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political leanings) I > believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. > Dolly Hi Dolly, Jim is to be complemented for allowing you to have an opinion on political issues! I dare say it's more than most of us would allow our wives. True, it's a dangerous sort of thing to start, but I believe it's OK so long as a wife's opinion is basically in line with that of her husband! Dave PS, You are a lucky girl to have a husband like Jim! From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 16 18:42:39 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:42:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net><00c201c49ac6$a9a23ac0$35e94c0c@pentium> <003e01c49b96$e587d2e0$496f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006b01c49c57$9ea02640$95eb4c0c@pentium> Timing is on my list of things to troubleshoot again. But your thoughts on the exhaust valve are going to be checked first. It is a new spring, as are all the springs on the engine, but there just may be something wrong with the tension. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Edd Payne To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte > Hi John.While ever you have that much advance on your ignition you will get > 8 stroking affect.Cut it down to 5 deg or even les as long as the engine is > not labouring.Also check you exhaust valve spring tension as if it is not > strong enough it will cause 8 stroking as it may be sucked open and give > lean mixture.This can be impercievable to the eye but does happen. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hall" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:52 > Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte > > > > I had a few minutes to tinker this evening and I think I spotted the > > problem. It appears the govenor is out of adjustment. I can't believe I > > hadn't notced it before. As best I can tell it is completely shutting off > > the butterfly. It doesn't appear to be moving the throttle a lot but when > it > > closes the butterfly it is causing the 8 cycling I am seeing, or at least > > that's my current theory. > > > > John > > From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Fri Sep 17 05:30:38 2004 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:30:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO In-Reply-To: <005201c49c4a$a1da5590$a744e5d8@gary> Message-ID: Gary I will be there Saturday only. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO Hi Bill, Will you be there Fri or Sat. We will be there tomorrow, Fri. I am not displaying since I can't be there on Sat. I will be strolling around wearing a hat with an ATIS pin on it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > GARY > > > I plan to be there to look around. > > Bill Calvert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > > > Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest > Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than > just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is > probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. > > Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, > southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this > show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 05:57:58 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: <003901c49c24$2daec280$6e680b42@gnarmstrong> References: <003901c49c24$2daec280$6e680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: Hi George, There are two check balls where the gas line enters the fuel feeder. Both of mine were goo'ed in. Gumout & a few taps got them free. I can mail you a drawing of the area in question from a Bessemer catalog if that would help. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland > this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing > work and the reason for the question. Geo. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 06:24:36 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> <004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Yep, I had read your reply. I think you may have mis-read my comments about the "handful of small minded piss-ants". I'm referring to those buggers whose "contribution" is not one of useful substance, but rather is one of exercising power over others to no useful purpose. In our club (and in the Badger organization) the piss ants were finally overruled by a membership who "got off their bums and got on the boards and committees" to make things right. Obviously, I'm not in Oz. If the "rules" being promulgated are useful, correct deficiencies, and in general improve the quality and reduce the costs of the rallys, then I would agree that thay are a "good thing" as Martha Stewart would say. If they do not correct deficiencies and improve the quality and reduce the costs of rallys, then I would say the "rules" serve the needs of the power mad ones who dream them up, and NOT the needs of the old engine hobby. Good luck with the NHMA. I sincerely hope that, if nothing else, this on-list discussion will provoke a number of the SEL members in Oz to get off their bums and get involved on the boards and committees and produce a set of "rules" that improve the lot of engine folk everywhere. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > I don't know if you read my response to Reg's Email but if you did you would > note some corrections to the mis-information being generated about the NHMA. > > Further, if I wasn't a leather skin old fella I would take offence at being > called a small minded piss-ant. I was on the committee of the NHMA for four > years. Those that are elected to the committee are volunteers, are > nominated by their clubs and elected to the position years by members at the > annual meeting. The term of office is only two years however, you can stay > on if you are re-nominated and re-elected. Members are elected from all > over Oz. Hence you tend to meet only once a year. What I find annoying is > that nearly all the "critics" are fence sitters. These "critics" will not > get off their bums get on the committee and do some work. It is quite easy > really. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > This is often a problem with many of organizations formed for good and > > noble purposes. There are often a handful of small minded piss-ants > > who are on power trips and want to organize "rules" to make things go > > their way. Our club had one and the folks at Badger in Wisconsin had a > > couple of beauts. Fortunatly, both clubs had folks who were willing to > > invest the time and emotional energy to rein in these nut cases. Not > > everyone is so fortunate. From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Sep 17 06:19:19 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question Message-ID: <000401c49cb8$f1489d80$09690b42@gnarmstrong> Hi Arnie, A drawing would be quite helpfull. Thx. Geo -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question >Hi George, > >There are two check balls where the gas line enters the fuel feeder. Both >of mine were goo'ed in. Gumout & a few taps got them free. > >I can mail you a drawing of the area in question from a Bessemer catalog >if that would help. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland >> this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing >> work and the reason for the question. Geo. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Sep 17 06:23:59 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:23:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <001301c49cb9$97dad3c0$09690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, Isn't ther another line in there about keeping them pregnant and barefoot??? Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > >> Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political >leanings) I >> believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. >> Dolly > > >Hi Dolly, > Jim is to be complemented for allowing you to have an opinion on >political issues! I dare say it's more than most of us would allow our >wives. True, it's a dangerous sort of thing to start, but I believe it's OK >so long as a wife's opinion is basically in line with that of her husband! > Dave >PS, You are a lucky girl to have a husband like Jim! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 17 06:28:43 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:28:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon><004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <001601c49cba$40fae0d0$0400a8c0@Dave> > In our club (and in the Badger organization) the piss ants were finally > overruled by a membership who "got off their bums and got on the boards > and committees" to make things right. > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Keep in mine that one particular "piss ant" was thoughtful enough of the club's needs to turn room temperature on us! Dave PS, When in a fight for control every little bit helps! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 07:39:02 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <061c01c49c71$458ccf30$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <061c01c49c71$458ccf30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Hi Folks, ROFLMAO!! Have you noticed how bold Dave gets when he knows that the SEL Flame Mistress is having troubles with dodgy email? 8-))))) See ya, Arnie PS - He's also been known to poke a hornet's nest with a stick to see if anyone is at home. PPS - This could be more fun than the new season of Survivor. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political > > leanings) I believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat > > stupidity. > > Dolly > > Hi Dolly, > Jim is to be complemented for allowing you to have an opinion on > political issues! I dare say it's more than most of us would allow our > wives. True, it's a dangerous sort of thing to start, but I believe it's OK > so long as a wife's opinion is basically in line with that of her husband! > Dave > PS, You are a lucky girl to have a husband like Jim! > _______________________________________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 07:40:44 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 In-Reply-To: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> References: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Watch that auction. My guess is he gets his money. He'd probably have done better to wipe the dirt off first... Or to put an axe in it. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Bob Jacobs wrote: > check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I > could use a good fantasy) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 17 06:25:28 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:25:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard Message-ID: Neat ole photo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2270758461 Take care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 18:21:59 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:21:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Message-ID: <20040917.112011.948.2.jlb94@juno.com> Upright Maytag - No where near my range - But - It will be interesting to see where this goes. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 18:17:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:17:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People Message-ID: <20040917.112011.948.0.jlb94@juno.com> >Not to get in a pissing match either but it was Operator's Error to allow himself to get > >Distracted. And yes I both own and operate a steamer. Oh Yeah !!! You're going to tell 2 cops that just pulled you over that you can't be distracted at the moment. And - As for not checking out a boiler before firing it - - - I've been at shows where a Traction Engine was bought - hauled in from another state - filled with water - and fired. They were lucky to get a "visual inspection". This is something that seems to run in the blood of "steam barons". Either they feel they "know what they're doing" or they like living dangerously. And - I ain't the one to question their ability. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 18:18:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:18:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! Message-ID: <20040917.112011.948.1.jlb94@juno.com> >It's amazing; whenever I play this I sound just like a deaf, dumb and >blind kid. Sure play a mean pinball !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 17 08:22:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:22:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <20040917.112011.948.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <007401c49cca$21563080$0400a8c0@Dave> > Upright Maytag - > No where near my range - But - It will be interesting to see where this > goes. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, I was going to bid, but could not figure out where the axe would go. Dave From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Sep 17 08:36:07 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Richard Nice New Way in that cement mixer.... Did you see Dave and Arnie posing in their younger lives??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20216&item=2270259569 Steve --- Richard Strobel wrote: Neat ole photo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2270758461 Take care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 08:57:05 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard In-Reply-To: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Damn... I loved that hat... On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Steve Barr wrote: > Did you see Dave and Arnie posing in their younger lives??? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20216&item=2270259569 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 10:14:46 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:14:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Watching a debate last PM over using elephant ivory parts for restoring antique musical instruments lead me to Mr Warther http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Warther.htm Some is ivory and some is ebony No lathe , and those wheels are true , a little cracked now , but round . http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Warther2a.jpg Chuck Balyeat So Tx From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Sep 17 12:19:55 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:19:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis Message-ID: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> We have acquired a decent low-voltage 300A DC supply, originally built by us for our PCB manufacturing factory but they are closing down so we nabbed it :-)) Reading various articles (including Bill Dickerson's) on the subject of electrolysis, I have a few questions:- 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part being cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? 2) How long does the solution last? 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot process? Tanks are not a problem, we have a number of plastic plating tanks being disposed of, so I should be able to nab one of them. We disposed of over 300kg of pure copper plating anodes today..... So, we have power, we have a tank and we can get solution, we just need some feedback from existing users to answer a few questions. Thanks, Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Sep 17 12:50:56 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SEL: OT Anyone going to Racine Show?/Pitty Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040917195056.22859.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Peg I plan on being there this weekend. Steve --- William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: Anyone going to the Racine WI Show this week end?? Bill and Bill III will be attend, again I have to work. Anyone have any good ideas on how to find a job?? I have sent resumes' out like crazy and not one response have even tried some of those services that charge you to get your resume noticed and still nothing. I just want a job that is Monday - Friday and pays about $25 to $30 K a year. Peg Pfeiffer From billalan at busynet.net Fri Sep 17 13:20:29 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL: OT Anyone going to Racine Show?/Pitty Party In-Reply-To: <20040917195056.22859.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917195056.22859.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414B470D.1050704@busynet.net> I also plan on being there, we have our spot already picked out. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Sep 17 13:58:43 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:58:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c49cf9$1e15c730$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20199&item=2269825197 This postcard street scene shows lots of people including children, posing for the cameraman. I can see a sign in the background near the horse and wagon that reads: DAVE'S PLACE. There is a man walking across the street with an axe over his shoulder. The guy with axe is Dave when he was younger. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA 92544 U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard > Damn... I loved that hat... > > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Steve Barr wrote: > > > Did you see Dave and Arnie posing in their younger lives??? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20216&item=2270259569 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From weirgrant at hotmail.com Fri Sep 17 14:22:51 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:22:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance Message-ID: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People > >And - As for not checking out a boiler before firing it - - - I've been >at shows where a Traction Engine was bought - hauled in from another >state - filled with water - and fired. >They were lucky to get a "visual inspection". This is something that >seems to run in the blood of "steam barons". Either they feel they "know >what they're doing" >or they like living dangerously. And - I ain't the one to question their >ability. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe and all, Let the pissing contest begin! :-) (I'm just kidding... :-) You know, if you are actually serious about folks running steamers at shows without any inspections (and I'm sure you are not) then we really are wasting our time discussing nasty insurance rates - we need MORE insurance! Seriously, if people actually are doing the things that you are suggesting they do, then I'd say that we should invest in quite a bit more insurance and write up a whole list of new rules while we're at it. Hang some signs too. It's little wonder why rates are so high when such things are taking place. As far as the "steam barons" go I must admit to being quite impressed with any I have met, at least as far as safety and responsibility goes. Since the Medina "accident" all the operators I have met are more than well aware of personal and public safety and are ready at the drop of a hat to discuss it. They are usually quite proud of their operating credentials and/or training. It may be different in other areas. As to not being the one to question their ability, I feel that you are dead wrong. You absolutely must. I'll sure stand up and do it - although I may be doing it over my shoulder while I am running like hell in the opposite direction. I would hope that everyone else would do the same. Steam boilers are not gas engines. A gas engine may fall apart while running and maybe even hurt someone, but if a boiler blows, well, I think we all know what happens. We're pretty lucky up here in the barren wastelands of western Canada. I've never seen a rope, sign, barrier, or even a suggestion that I stand back. Perhaps our time is a comin' but for the moment we are fairly hassle-free. So here's to being responsible for our own hides for once. If you get hurt at an engine show, you were probably getting too close and got yourself spanked. Do us all a favour and just go home and lick your wounds. Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Sep 17 14:24:29 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:24:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines/Whalehunting References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <000b01c49cfc$b7d55680$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Chuck, When you like carvings, I have an egg with carvings of whale hunting in the 17th century at Spitzbergen. You see images of the four wind directions, it's made around 1880 in the UK. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/whalehunting.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Watching a debate last PM over using elephant ivory parts for restoring > antique > musical instruments lead me to Mr Warther > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Warther.htm > > Some is ivory and some is ebony > No lathe , and those wheels are true , a little cracked now , but round . > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Warther2a.jpg > > > > Chuck Balyeat > So Tx From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Sep 17 15:23:09 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:09 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification!] - could a day or rally pass be made available Message-ID: <414B63CD.9060507@steamengine.com.au> Hi Adam, Pleased to see someone from the committee speaking up - I hope you do not cop to much flack for it. Considering that a number of people are attending from OS and other non club members (eg. press photographers) why not offer a different type of 'visitor' entry which includes some form of associate membership to your club and the $12 insurance to allow compound entry. I'm sure if the option was widely known it would be taken up. If you were to include the information in the handouts to exhibitors and keep the passes & paperwork at the "office" then it would probably work pretty well. It would be worth taking this up with the NHMA themselves, and see if some sort of compound entry "day pass" or multi-day "rally pass" could be arranged within the current insurance agreement. The reason I ask is simple, but requires a little background: I am a member of Emerald & District and have NHMA coverage, but at the last national was exhibiting with Puffing Billy Railway so did not bother to bring my NHMA card as PB has its own insurance and I was covered under that. Unfortunately on the day the hosting club decided that meant we could be in our own compound but no other. The next day I found another club willing to sell me insurance (Sale Tractor) but I really had to work at finding it - Heyfield were not interested in helping at all. I may be attending Naracoorte, but if I do it will most likely be as a visitor rather than an exhibitor because I have two kids and I have to think about them - until they're old enough to be associates in my club and have their own insurance cards it curtails my rally going to a few local one day events because I cannot just take off for a long weekend abandoning everyone else. Paul -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:57:05 +1000 From: Adam Cottrill Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Hi Everyone, Kind regards. Adam Cottrill 10th NHMA National Rally Safety Co-ordinator -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 15:42:33 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:42:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines/Whalehunting References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <000b01c49cfc$b7d55680$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003a01c49d07$a0261a00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Hi Chuck, > When you like carvings, I have an egg with carvings of whale hunting > in the 17th century at Spitzbergen. You see images of the four wind > directions, it's made around 1880 in the UK. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/whalehunting.jpg The original crucifix, that's really nice John . You got one with a Backus inverted Vee on it ? >From the tiny bit Ive seen here and there , you two have some really intersting tastes in decorating . Have you seen some of the photos on the Stack from that fellow with the 40hp Foos in the foyer with lots of steam gauges and lubricator manifolds paintings ? I gotta have at least one room done in Victorian Boiler Room . From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 16:43:01 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Stupid People In-Reply-To: <20040917.112011.948.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040917234301.4167.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> There were THREE people riding on that engine who knew how to operate it when it was stopped. Someone should have been paying attention to that boiler. jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Not to get in a pissing match either but it was Operator's Error to allow himself to get > >Distracted. And yes I both own and operate a steamer. Oh Yeah !!! You're going to tell 2 cops that just pulled you over that you can't be distracted at the moment. And - As for not checking out a boiler before firing it - - - I've been at shows where a Traction Engine was bought - hauled in from another state - filled with water - and fired. They were lucky to get a "visual inspection". This is something that seems to run in the blood of "steam barons". Either they feel they "know what they're doing" or they like living dangerously. And - I ain't the one to question their ability. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Fri Sep 17 16:44:01 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:44:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard Message-ID: <1a5.2879607e.2e7cd0c1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/2004 1:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: > This postcard street scene shows lots of people including children, posing > for the cameraman. I can see a sign in the background near the horse and > wagon that reads: DAVE'S PLACE. There is a man walking across the street > with an axe over his shoulder. > > The guy with axe is Dave when he was younger. > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hi Jim, You think maybe that was a younger Dave looking for a Maytag? Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 17 17:05:29 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:05:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <00b801c49d13$35a6cd80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Peter, I only played with this a couple times last winter. So far I haven't had a need to try it again, but that will change soon. All my experiments have been in a five gallon bucket with a small battery charger. I don't think I ever got over 8 amps on the meter, and maybe not that high. For reference that was a Maytag gas tank bottom. My biggest problem was surface rust formed immediately even though I blew the parts off right away. There was quite a discussion on the list about this, and John Culp came up with sodium silicate. So as not to ramble the solution we use in the ultra sonic cleaner at work has this in it for rust prevention. It works, several weeks, and is paintable. I will use it on my next experiment. Now to your questions. > > 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part > being > cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? I found the distance from the object to the electrode was the biggest factor in the amount of current. Size didn't seem to make a difference. The number of electodes also seems to have an effect on current. My latest experiment has a piece of stretched sheet metal surrounding the inside of the entire bucket. Seems to work pretty good with that surface area. Have a few pictures if you want them. > > 2) How long does the solution last? Mine lasted for months. > > 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? Haven't done it yet. The water evaporated over the summer. Near as I can tell I have baking soda and iron in the bottom of the bucket. I'll save it for the roses next spring. Heard iron is great for them. > > 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot > process? It only takes a small amout of baking soda or whatever you use. Water level dropps, mix a little more in a gallon jug and top it off. That's the best I can do for you Peter. I will tell you it does work, but the parts have to be clean, no grease, etc. Here is a link you might check out. http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/electro.html Have fun, and keep us posted on your experiences. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 17:00:30 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:00:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Doug Tallman's E-mai Address Message-ID: <00d301c49d12$84a4edf0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Doug Tallman's e-mail address, Thanks From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 17:08:44 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:08:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard References: <1a5.2879607e.2e7cd0c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <007c01c49d13$aa1d4180$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi Jim, > You think maybe that was a younger Dave looking for a Maytag? > Cranky Corliss From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 17 17:41:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:41:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures Message-ID: <20040917.204213.792.0.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Steve, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From snipe280 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 17:44:48 2004 From: snipe280 at yahoo.com (dusty erickson) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] New member Message-ID: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. Dusty Erickson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 17 17:45:20 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:45:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! In-Reply-To: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <04C23FAC-090C-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Fret not, young man. > Fret not... get it? > Bwahahahahahaha!!!! > > Sniff... That's just it, I haven't been fretting, much, for a long time! It's really not a good slide guitar, but oh, does it sound awesome with ordinary fretted picking and strumming! So I'm working on that stuff, which I've so long neglected as I've worked on slide that I've mostly forgotten how! Got to work on being able to play it as it ought to be! I was working (among other things) on "Stormy Monday" this afternoon. Can't play it fluently yet, but man, do those jazzy chords sound sweet! The guys at the guitar shop today all agreed it was good karma, for Jane and me giving my young teacher Jason a new Johnson Tricone a few months ago. (About the same time as I registered for this thing, come to think of it.) Billy Crawford says that's "Guitarma." > Anyway, did you look at the other items being offered by the > joker with the $800 Maytag? You could sell your authentic > Pete "Just Browsing the Pictures for Research" Townshend > Gibson, buy one of these, and kick out the jams like the master > himself. I think I'll have to pass on that. Besides, Jane has sternly warned me that I'm not to sell the P.T. Gibson, and the kids are in full agreement. So I'm just going to have to learn to play it, like a mean pinball. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Sep 17 17:59:09 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:59:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c601c49d1a$b62c8ce0$75f5f504@x8h7l9> Welcome aboard Dusty. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 17 18:24:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:24:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard In-Reply-To: <001901c49cf9$1e15c730$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c49cf9$1e15c730$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <74824B38-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > The guy with axe is Dave when he was younger. He wasn't much younger. That picture was taken in 1892. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 17 18:38:45 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:38:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c49d20$3d08aeb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dusty, Welcome aboard and thanks. I think you created a great oxymoron. "Serious people involved in old engines." Realistically a bunch of reasonable sane people that are serious about our passion. Usefull input is always welcome, and useless input is quite common. Enjoy! Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be > a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old > engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 17 19:17:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:17:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040917.223633.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List I usually always receive my GEM by the middle of the month. Has everyone received their October Issue Yet ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 17 19:38:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:38:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member Message-ID: <20040917.224851.1176.1.jlb94@juno.com> Welcome aboard Dusty, Jump in anytime. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 17 20:04:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:04:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: Message-ID: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi Joe and all, > You know, if you are actually serious about folks running steamers at > shows without any inspections (and I'm sure you are not) then we really are > wasting our time discussing nasty insurance rates - we need MORE insurance! > Grant Weir Hi Grant, At the time of the "accident" there was NO required inspection of boilers OR required certification (etc.) of steam operators in the state of Ohio. Additionally (I've been told) that the operator was a real SMACK OFF who didn't care about safety, rules, or much of anything else. Those that I've talked to (who knew the man) indicated that he got what he deserved. It's just too bad that he took a couple of fine police officers with him! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 17 19:43:50 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:43:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New member In-Reply-To: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200409180243.i8I2hr6c017740@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. > Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious > people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful > input someday. Hey Dusty, Welcome to The List. You're right in that it's a great way to stay in touch with other engine folks. But you don't want to get too serious; you'll get premature wrinkles. On another note, are you gonna head out for the National next month? Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 17 19:20:05 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:20:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member In-Reply-To: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414B9B55.80408@scrtc.com> Dusty, Good to have you on the SEL. I've chatted with you in the past and remember seeing some very nice M&W engines that you had. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY dusty erickson wrote: >Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > >Dusty Erickson > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 17 18:22:13 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:22:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines In-Reply-To: <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I salvaged the ivory and ebony off of a trashed 100+ year old piano a while back. On Sep 17, 2004, at 1:14 PM, wrote: > > Watching a debate last PM over using elephant ivory parts for > restoring > antique > musical instruments l John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Sep 18 00:42:15 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:42:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c49d53$0507cc20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Dusty, Welcome aboard, one more way to chat with you. Here a close-up of that French oiler you asking for last night. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Frenchoiler.jpg As told you before, will do my best in hunting oilers next Sep. 25th. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Sep 18 01:04:33 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:04:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses In-Reply-To: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who replied on and off-list, the information has been really useful, especially the personal experiences with different electrodes etc. I have condensed the replies here for brevity: The stainless steel electrode question seems to be significant, and Orrin's use of Graphite looks to be a good way of going if the cost is not too high for coninued usage. I do remember the discussion about Chomates on the Lists, and will steer away from that method. Power requirements seem to be very modest, with pretty much any small DC supply being suitable, and current draw depending more on distance between the anodes and objects being descaled than almost anything else. Electrolyte seems to last well, only water loss through electrolytic breakdown and evaporation being noted. Disposal of the remaining electrolyte looks to be fairly easy, I have checked with our own local water authority and there is no problem with just soda solution as long as any metallic solids have been taken out. Paint and grease removal surprised me a little, but I assume that the electrolysis gets at rust underneath these deposits and loosens them off, rather than the solution/process getting at them directly? Speed of rust formation after rust removal has been quoted as a problem, and Sodium Silicate mentioned as a solution. More information on this would be appreciated. Craig Matthews made the following comment: "One note, make sure there is no other metals in the solution besides cast iron, steel or sheet metal, brass, copper, aluminum and babbit will stop the process and make a mess (from experience) " That is a bit ambiguous :-)) I read the intended text as: "Nothing but Cast Iron or Steel" ? If not, could Craig correct the punctuation so it reads "right" please? Andy Nicholson used a 28V supply, running at about 6amps on his setup, and Bill Dickerson's trailer chassis example on his website used an 80V welder power source, so voltage is not too critical. Use of excessive current just warms up the solution and causes more gassing, with no apparent increase in the rust removal rate. I think that covers most of the points made. Thanks again guys, if there are any more items that we need to know about, please let us know. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 18 04:30:05 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:30:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roxboro NC show postponed Message-ID: <00a001c49d72$d9801920$0dd24c0c@pentium> The Roxboro NC show has been postponed until next Sat. and Sun. due to Ivan. John Hall From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 05:14:11 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:14:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c49d79$02f375d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Welcome aboard Dusty, hang around long enough and you will have the answers to all of the questions you ever wanted to know in life about anything. I still remember the early hours of the morning when you and your friend came by the house and picked up the Blackstone, I cannot remember the name of your friend but sure would like to see what he has gotten done on the engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be > a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old > engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Sep 18 05:25:31 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:25:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner Message-ID: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> Today, MSTEC had an invitational rally and dinner open to the local clubs. The first part of the day the public were allowed in and it operated as a normal rally. After the public had gone home it was possible to get up close and personal with the steam engines and stationary engines if you cared to ask. There were some special machines on display and the fixed display sheds have come a long way since I was last at the site. There was no entry fee although a donation was requested in the form of a large barrel with a sign on it. It was an excellent day, with an opportunity for unusual photos of night running. The club put on a fantastic spit roast dinner including desert for only $7. Congratulations to the club for the magnificent day out. I'll put up a picture album on my site shortly. I met several members from the various lists I'm a member of, and while I won't name names I was pleased to meet them all and put faces to names. Particularly the newly wed 72 year old lady engineer and her 93 year old husband. I've met people less lively that these two in their 20's! Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Sep 17 22:41:18 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:41:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? You mob up there are looking down the barrel at the end of your hobby as you know it.Stand up for yourselves against these rules and regulations.Next you will have to have insurance and fences. (and after that you will have your firearms confiscated) Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > Hi Grant, > At the time of the "accident" there was NO required inspection of > boilers OR required certification (etc.) of steam operators in the state of > Ohio. Additionally (I've been told) that the operator was a real SMACK OFF > who didn't care about safety, rules, or much of anything else. Those that > I've talked to (who knew the man) indicated that he got what he deserved. > It's just too bad that he took a couple of fine police officers with him! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Sep 18 07:00:19 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:00:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM In-Reply-To: <20040917.223633.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040917.223633.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <414C3F73.8000606@scrtc.com> Joe, Mine arrived on the 15th and is usually here by the 10th. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi List > I usually always receive my GEM by the middle of the month. > Has everyone received their October Issue Yet ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Sat Sep 18 07:06:02 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:06:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <141.3427457e.2e7d9aca@aol.com> Hi Joe, Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. Mine is usually here between the 10th & 12th of the month. Dwight Vivas Petersburg, VA. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 07:32:38 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:32:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I salvaged the ivory and ebony off of a trashed 100+ year old piano a > while back. >>>>> That did cross my mind . Are Piano keys laminated ? Wanna see a print of a Stirling powered player piano ? Chuck Balyeat From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 08:04:15 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:04:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <008e01c49d90$c3d0a9a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Power requirements seem to be very modest, with pretty much any small DC supply > being suitable, and current draw depending more on distance between the anodes > and objects being descaled than almost anything else. Size does matter , the bigger the anode the higher the amps of because more surface area on the part will be actively cleaning . Using bolts and chain and the like for anodes works in a hole , but you need many for the piston with rings you found under the adjcacent windmill , and all those connection is a drag I am a fan of the full circ. scrap sheet steel anode . have had good luck with expanded metal grating as well . But it is seldom free nor easy to bend around my part ............................................................................ ........................................................ > Paint and grease removal surprised me a little, but I assume that the > electrolysis gets at rust underneath these deposits and loosens them off, rather > than the solution/process getting at them directly? It will sorta , but doesnt want to , everything goes in the solvent tank first , and gets brushed and hosed off . Oil and grease are counter to conductivity , ask any transformer manufacturer . Thats how you mess up your carb dip acid as well , by sticking gunked up cyl heads and part after part of cosmoline packed WW2 army surplus harley parts . sorry dad . ............................................................................ ............................................... > "One note, make sure there is no other metals in the solution besides cast iron, > steel or sheet metal, brass, copper, aluminum and babbit will stop the process > and make a mess (from experience) " I m not sure what happened , havent had the same bad experience . Maybe it was the electrolyte used . Want to hear more ! ............................................................................ .................................................. > Andy Nicholson used a 28V supply, running at about 6amps on his setup, and Bill > Dickerson's trailer chassis example on his website used an 80V welder power > source, so voltage is not too critical. Use of excessive current just warms up > the solution and causes more gassing, with no apparent increase in the rust > removal rate. If you want to sink an entire 100 horse Hornsby , and all the guns from a sunken ship at the same time , then charger you nabbed would be just the ticket . How low is "low voltage " ? A 10a battery charger is enough to do a hopper cylinder on a 10 horse engine with a 3x3 ' anode . Chuck From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 18 09:30:11 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:30:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines In-Reply-To: <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <02EDAC5B-0990-11D9-AA59-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Are Piano keys laminated ? They have a very thin strip of ivory glued onto a wooden key. As for the black keys, only the top part was ebony. Neither's been used for a long time. Plastics took over. And black stained or painted wood. The real ebony's not entirely black, either, and could be stained darker. > Wanna see a print of a Stirling powered player piano ? Wood eye?! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Sat Sep 18 10:07:00 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:07:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Work table Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040918095347.02fe1d08@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi....... I recently made an enlarged auxiliary top for a hydraulic lift cart that makes servicing some of the smaller (2-4 h.p.) engines much easier as you can get them up to a comfortable working height. I wouldn't recommend running the engine on the cart but it sure beats crawling on your belly to work on mixers, fuel lines etc. Also good for doing thorough cleaning after the show season, draining fuel tanks and other similar tasks. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/table/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 18 10:11:06 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: <20040917.112011.948.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Congrats John!!! I'm 100 miles from Bozeman. later, RickinMt. From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Sep 18 10:54:31 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:54:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> 2) How long does the solution last? How long do you need it to last? All summer............. 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? Dump it on the lawn, I do. Watch for iron hating plants, however. Blue spruce might love it. 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot process? I've never needed to, but suspect one could. Just add more water, a bit more washing soda when it doesn't feel "soapy". I know, maybe that was just too technical........... Bill www.antique-engines.com (the old compuserve address SHOULD be gone - I insisted they remove it, and they are a pain in the A$$ to deal with. I quit paying last winter and they wouldn't take the site down. The electrolysis pages on compuslurve are OLD, not current) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A Forbes Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:20 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis We have acquired a decent low-voltage 300A DC supply, originally built by us for our PCB manufacturing factory but they are closing down so we nabbed it :-)) Reading various articles (including Bill Dickerson's) on the subject of electrolysis, I have a few questions:- 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part being cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? 2) How long does the solution last? 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot process? Tanks are not a problem, we have a number of plastic plating tanks being disposed of, so I should be able to nab one of them. We disposed of over 300kg of pure copper plating anodes today..... So, we have power, we have a tank and we can get solution, we just need some feedback from existing users to answer a few questions. Thanks, Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 18 10:03:08 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:03:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <005e01c49da1$5f7c65a0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines > I salvaged the ivory and ebony off of a trashed 100+ year old piano a > > while back. >>>>> > That did cross my mind . > Are Piano keys laminated ? > Wanna see a print of a Stirling powered player piano ? > Chuck Balyeat Hi Chuck, would that be http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/97029902uaNlQS by any chance. 8^) Dave Croft From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Sep 18 11:34:46 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:34:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <7rvok09cagitfkq7euc88nf4paehetn7j2@4ax.com> On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:54:31 -0500, you wrote: >www.antique-engines.com >(the old compuserve address SHOULD be gone - I insisted they remove it, and >they are a pain in the A$$ to deal with. I quit paying last winter and they >wouldn't take the site down. The electrolysis pages on compuslurve are OLD, >not current) I seem to remember we diverted the Oldengine.org address to that 'new' link a couple of years ago, so it is still there. If you can let me have current (no pun intended!) information/url's I'll change the menu on Oldengine immediately. Thanks for the other stuff as well... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 18 11:39:45 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:39:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <1CA734CA-09A2-11D9-8739-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot > process? > > I've never needed to, but suspect one could. Just add more water, a > bit more > washing soda when it doesn't feel "soapy". Don't see why it would need to. the soda's not depleted in the process. Other than what's splashed or taken out with wet parts. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 12:13:20 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:13:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005e01c49da1$5f7c65a0$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: <002401c49db3$90302e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> yup credit given where credit due > Hi Chuck, would that be http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/97029902uaNlQS From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 18 18:00:47 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:00:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <002601c49de4$19ac19b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? > Ray Freeman Hi Ray, They have been in PA for as long as I can remember. I think they are now (after the "accident") in Ohio as well. I believe most states in the USA now call for yearly inspections of steam boilers used at shows. Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 18:08:02 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:08:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help Message-ID: <00b201c49de5$1e808fb0$240110ac@PaulMaples> I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. Paul From toadhill at aeroinc.net Fri Sep 17 06:22:00 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:22:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: 10-20 Titan Tractor Message-ID: <002301c49cb9$5177b920$5bcc940c@mcness.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe & Jewel Maurer To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: 10-20 Titan Tractor Joe, Had a 1918 Titan tractor and it was a fun little showpiece. Doesn't take up much shed room and is fairly simple if you don't try to run it on kerosene. The exhaust has a unique "ping" sound if you have the original muffler. My ex-wife drove it through the show parades with no problems (the "ex" explains why I don't have the tractor today). The only problems I can remember were starting hard when hot and steering hard with the front skid rims on the wheels. That's one tractor I wish I had kept. Joe From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Sep 18 19:35:15 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:35:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance In-Reply-To: <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <000601c49df1$4d11ae20$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>You mob up there are looking down the barrel at the end of your hobby as you know it.<< On the contrary, although I generally disagree with such rules and interference, it might just save the hobby as it will keep the insurance folks at bay. It's been required in many places here for a great many years and in most cases has made real professionals out of the steam operators. It makes one less afraid to be around them and insurance a tad cheaper, I'd suspect (although those insurance goons will do anything to be able to increase rates) It's certainly nothing new! Even folks who work with the steam boilers for building heat need to be certified and have their equipment inspected - so what's the diff? bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:41 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? You mob up there are looking down the barrel at the end of your hobby as you know it.Stand up for yourselves against these rules and regulations.Next you will have to have insurance and fences. (and after that you will have your firearms confiscated) Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > Hi Grant, > At the time of the "accident" there was NO required inspection of > boilers OR required certification (etc.) of steam operators in the > state of > Ohio. Additionally (I've been told) that the operator was a real SMACK > OFF who didn't care about safety, rules, or much of anything else. > Those that I've talked to (who knew the man) indicated that he got > what he deserved. It's just too bad that he took a couple of fine police officers with him! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 18 19:54:55 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:54:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: <000601c49df1$4d11ae20$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <011801c49df4$0b769b80$0400a8c0@Dave> > It makes one less afraid to be around them and insurance a tad cheaper, I'd > suspect (although those insurance goons will do anything to be able to > increase rates) > bill EDGE&TA insurance is the same (and has been so for some time) independent of your running a steam engine or a 1.5 HP Economy. Under $5.00 will buy you a years worth of insurance from them! Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Sep 18 19:56:26 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:56:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Work table Message-ID: <20040918.225721.1240.11.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent job Larry, I sure could've used that when I was changing the gaskets in my Stover. And - When refinishing my Jaeger. What I do is get my ramp from the truck and pull the engines up onto the workbench. But then - The workbench is tied up as long as I have the engine on it. Great Idea !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 01:37:45 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:37:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance In-Reply-To: <002601c49de4$19ac19b0$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> <002601c49de4$19ac19b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:00:47 -0400, you wrote: >> Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? >> Ray Freeman > >Hi Ray, > They have been in PA for as long as I can remember. I think they are now >(after the "accident") in Ohio as well. I believe most states in the USA now >call for yearly inspections of steam boilers used at shows. > Dave > As they have been on a bi-annual basis IIRC in the UK for as long as I can remember. The legislation over here is "Pressure Vessels" related, not just steam, and a visual and mechanical inspection has to be carried out with a certificate issued, before your insurance can be renewed. There's a bit on the subject for the USA at: http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/pressurevessels/ https://www.nationalboard.org/nationalboard/Default.aspx http://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/boil.html UK Health & Safety Executive: www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg261.pdf http://www.hse.gov.uk/ Australia has had pressure vessel reg's since 1951.... http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/cis/legosh/ausac/lx059177.htm Accidient database site: http://www.accidents-inspections.com/accidentdatabase/index.asp Standards Australia: http://www.standards.org.au/newsroom/tgs/2000-07/pressure/pressure.htm Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Sep 19 00:19:42 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:19:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019401c49e28$23a96140$14111bd3@athlon> Just got in from a show. Welcome aboard. Dont be put off by the chat, we are a good bunch mostly!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Sep 19 03:32:07 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:32:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: [coals] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner - album online now In-Reply-To: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> References: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <414D6027.7060103@steamengine.com.au> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/mstec-night-2004/index.html Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Today, MSTEC had an invitational rally and dinner open to the local > clubs. The first part of the day the public were allowed in and it > operated as a normal rally. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:04:46 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:04:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Work table Message-ID: <1ed.2b372726.2e7f081e@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/2004 1:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: << I recently made an enlarged auxiliary top for a hydraulic lift cart >> Hey Larry, Beautiful job on the lift work table! How do you get that much room in your work shop??? Mine just seems to have very narrow paths and in them things to stumble over! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:07:02 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:07:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance Message-ID: <1cd.2b73f2cd.2e7f08a6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:04:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << I believe most states in the USA now call for yearly inspections of steam boilers used at shows >> Yes, that is true Dave and some states do not recognize other states inspections due to different criteria making it impossible to take your steam to other state shows unless inspected there also. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:19:50 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:19:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] New member Message-ID: <24.60fa7be2.2e7f0ba6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/2004 8:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, snipe280 at yahoo.com writes: << Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. >> Dusty, So you already think this bunch of people is serious?? Just wait a little while! Welcome aboard! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:21:41 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:21:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <19a.29dde2ef.2e7f0c15@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/2004 10:10:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: << Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. >> None here either. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 09:27:49 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:27:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <00b201c49de5$1e808fb0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. Bob Holtzer At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to >provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this >house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 >volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything >I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:28:15 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:28:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help Message-ID: <15a.3f9b8406.2e7f0d9f@aol.com> Paul, No meter I assume, so you are just going to hook the generator wires into the meter lugs with the existing wires that go to the breaker box panel? Do not see why that will not work. Why not make yourself a pigtail to hook into a dryer or stove outlet and feed back into the breaker box. I do this and can usually hook into anyone's home in emergencies. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 11:01:03 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> IF you use washing soda and not anything more caustic you shouldn't have problems with MOST other metals. DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes, (nasty toxic stuff results) Make sure you have the polarity correct, unless you like the pitted swiss cheese look !!!! DON'T swim in the tank !!!!! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses > Thanks to everyone who replied on and off-list, the information has been really > useful, especially the personal experiences with different electrodes etc. I > have condensed the replies here for brevity: > > The stainless steel electrode question seems to be significant, and Orrin's use > of Graphite looks to be a good way of going if the cost is not too high for > coninued usage. I do remember the discussion about Chomates on the Lists, and > will steer away from that method. > > Power requirements seem to be very modest, with pretty much any small DC supply > being suitable, and current draw depending more on distance between the anodes > and objects being descaled than almost anything else. > > Electrolyte seems to last well, only water loss through electrolytic breakdown > and evaporation being noted. > > Disposal of the remaining electrolyte looks to be fairly easy, I have checked > with our own local water authority and there is no problem with just soda > solution as long as any metallic solids have been taken out. > > Paint and grease removal surprised me a little, but I assume that the > electrolysis gets at rust underneath these deposits and loosens them off, rather > than the solution/process getting at them directly? > > Speed of rust formation after rust removal has been quoted as a problem, and > Sodium Silicate mentioned as a solution. More information on this would be > appreciated. > > Craig Matthews made the following comment: > > "One note, make sure there is no other metals in the solution besides cast iron, > steel or sheet metal, brass, copper, aluminum and babbit will stop the process > and make a mess (from experience) " > > That is a bit ambiguous :-)) I read the intended text as: "Nothing but Cast > Iron or Steel" ? If not, could Craig correct the punctuation so it reads > "right" please? > > Andy Nicholson used a 28V supply, running at about 6amps on his setup, and Bill > Dickerson's trailer chassis example on his website used an 80V welder power > source, so voltage is not too critical. Use of excessive current just warms up > the solution and causes more gassing, with no apparent increase in the rust > removal rate. > > I think that covers most of the points made. > > Thanks again guys, if there are any more items that we need to know about, > please let us know. > > Peter > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 11:34:54 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:34:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses In-Reply-To: <007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> <007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:03 -0400, you wrote: >IF you use washing soda and not anything more caustic you shouldn't have >problems with MOST other metals. >DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes, (nasty toxic stuff >results) >Make sure you have the polarity correct, unless you like the pitted >swiss cheese look !!!! >DON'T swim in the tank !!!!! > > >Steve Thanks, Steve, I'll have to investigate the Stainless Steel problems, as we have a few guys who seem to use it without problem, while others warn of the Chromates issue. Graphite has come up as a preferred material, although more expensive than using rebar or other steel/iron materials. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 19 11:44:33 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:44:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c49e78$b6330e80$240110ac@PaulMaples> Hello Bob, This is a new home with NO electrical service to it right now. My son and his wife are suppose to move in at the end of this month and they are doing all of the painting and need lighting. The utility company has sent most of their people to Florida to work on storm damage and told me it may be two weeks or longer before they can run service to the house. I am just trying to get them enough power to run their lights so they can see to work on the home at night. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Holtzer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response > to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing > wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local > power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the > local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. > > Bob Holtzer > > At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to >>provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this >>house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 >>volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything >>I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. >> >>Paul >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sun Sep 19 12:11:58 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:11:58 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <414DD9FE.000001.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Make sure you connect to the outlet side of the meter otherwise you will be paying the electric company for the power also nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/19/04 17:55:53 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. Bob Holtzer At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to >provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this >house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 >volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything >I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From dcox at triad.rr.com Sun Sep 19 13:10:02 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Message-ID: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV show grounds http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 Dallas From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 13:20:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:20:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood In-Reply-To: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400, you wrote: >Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV >show grounds > >http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 > > >Dallas Hi Dallas: I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm missing something on the page? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 13:33:48 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:33:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com><007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <003501c49e88$09a0f1e0$a05c14d0@net.telenet.net> I think it has to do with the type of stainless as well as what is actually used as the solution. I wonder if using small blocks of graphite around the interior of the tank and connecting them using brass strap outside the tank (use brass screws and epoxy to attach the blocks to the tank) would be a feasible idea? I want to make up my next tank using something like a 4x8 foot platers plastic tank. Reinforce the exterior with a steel cage. Drill through and attach the electrodes on the inside with o-rings on the screws. Then attach them all together with strapping or heavy cable. Make a hanger over the top so that parts can be suspended easily. I would also have to put some type of heater on/in the tank so that it could be used year around though, since having it inside a shop area is a GUARANTEE that everything in there will rust.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:03 -0400, you wrote: > > >IF you use washing soda and not anything more caustic you shouldn't have > >problems with MOST other metals. > >DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes, (nasty toxic stuff > >results) > >Make sure you have the polarity correct, unless you like the pitted > >swiss cheese look !!!! > >DON'T swim in the tank !!!!! > > > > > >Steve > > Thanks, Steve, > > I'll have to investigate the Stainless Steel problems, as we have a few guys who > seem to use it without problem, while others warn of the Chromates issue. > > Graphite has come up as a preferred material, although more expensive than using > rebar or other steel/iron materials. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Sep 19 13:40:03 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:40:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <000b01c49e88$d72714a0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Peter, click the orange "View Photos" button and you get a slide show. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for > prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm missing > something on the page? > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 13:52:00 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:52:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <001601c49e8a$830ed7c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Click view as slideshow and you can see them. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sistersville Flood > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400, you wrote: > >>Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV >>show grounds >> >>http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 >> >> >>Dallas > > Hi Dallas: > > I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for > prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm > missing > something on the page? > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Sep 19 13:53:18 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:53:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001601c49e8a$830ed7c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <414DF1BE.000001.01780@NOTEBOOK> Hmmmm, Did they furnish glass botom boats to view the show???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/19/04 16:46:34 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Click view as slideshow and you can see them. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sistersville Flood > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400, you wrote: > >>Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV >>show grounds >> >>http://share.shutterfly com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 >> >> >>Dallas > > Hi Dallas: > > I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for > prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm > missing > something on the page? > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 19 13:45:36 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:45:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Message-ID: <20040919.165823.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dallas, Holly Cow !!! I heard they were flooded the week I was at Stumptown and figured it would dry out by the 17th. - - - Then came the rain from Ivan. Just Unbelievable !!! Thanks Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 19 13:50:14 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:50:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040919.165823.960.3.jlb94@juno.com> Judge Tommy Turner = Mine arrived on the 15th and is usually here by the 10th. Dwight Vivas = Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. Tom Schmutz = None here either. = = = = = = = = = Thanks Guys - Maybe I'm jumping the gun. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 19 14:05:44 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Sistersville Flood In-Reply-To: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: Damn Dallas, We usually setup between that fence in the foreground and the pavilion in the background! If we had gone this year there would be no problem filling the hoppers or cooling tanks! http://shim1.shutterfly.com/procsserv/F-ANmzRyzZtWbLbqQU3hb-cA See ya, Arnie On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Dallas Cox wrote: > Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV > show grounds From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 13:59:06 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:59:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <000c01c49e78$b6330e80$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <004501c49e8b$80c42f00$a05c14d0@net.telenet.net> Usually on a site with no power and a 220 box you just hook up the two hot leads and the neutral to the box, then connect the ground to either the ground bus OR directly to the ground rod. Just buy the proper plug for the generator and hook it up OR if they had a large 220 outlet installed you should make a cable with that plug on the end and back feed it for now. Or if you plan on eventually installing a generator feed anyway (good idea even IF you think "I'll NEVER use it") In that case I would install a transfer panel between the meter and the main panel. In the last one I did I used a set of breakers and installed them both in the main panel. The right one was fed from the mains and the left was fed from a generator. Between them I installed a lockout plate. It allows one breaker room to trip off BUT not enough for both to be ON at the same time. Either way I would just hook it in until they get connected to the lines. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > Hello Bob, > > This is a new home with NO electrical service to it right now. My son and > his wife are suppose to move in at the end of this month and they are doing > all of the painting and need lighting. The utility company has sent most of > their people to Florida to work on storm damage and told me it may be two > weeks or longer before they can run service to the house. I am just trying > to get them enough power to run their lights so they can see to work on the > home at night. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Holtzer" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > > > > Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response > > to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing > > wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local > > power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the > > local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. > > > > Bob Holtzer > > > > At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >>I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to > >>provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this > >>house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 > >>volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything > >>I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. > >> > >>Paul > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 19 13:59:33 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <414DD9FE.000001.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <001001c49e8b$925fef60$240110ac@PaulMaples> No meter installed yet Nick so I don't have to worry about that but thanks for the advice. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 19 14:01:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:01:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Message-ID: <20040919.170144.960.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dallas, In responce to Peter's post. I can get the Slide Show - Pages of Thumbnails - Or - Individual pics. - - No problem. You must be missing something Peter. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 14:02:04 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:02:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood In-Reply-To: <000b01c49e88$d72714a0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000b01c49e88$d72714a0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <9qsrk0ph40cd2mck5naljc0kfiuo4pccr7@4ax.com> On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:40:03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Peter, click the orange "View Photos" button and you get >a slide show. > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > >> I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for >> prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm missing >> something on the page? >> >> Peter Hi John: It wasn't that kind of problem, the thing just didn't work at all :-(( Anyway, I checked Zone Alarm and that wasn't stopping anything, then I tried Internet Explorer instead of Opera, and that got me a pop-up error screen about a scripting error, but at least I did get to see the slideshow! Thanks for the help and suggestions, and thanks to Dallas for the pictures. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Sep 19 17:22:44 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:22:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere Message-ID: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way through the lawn or about 30 minutes. Thanks, Duncan -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From oldengin at udata.com Sun Sep 19 15:31:43 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:31:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere In-Reply-To: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <414E08CF.7080907@udata.com> Duncan Denman wrote: >Hi Folks, > >A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because >he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, >it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will >start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug >is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any >thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or >maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way >through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > >Thanks, > >Duncan > > > Duncan, just a WAG but the governor does not sound to be set right. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Sep 19 15:45:04 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:45:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <414E08CF.7080907@udata.com> Message-ID: <000701c49e9a$6f264df0$2586a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Duncan Denman wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > > > >A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > >he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > >it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > >start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. > > Duncan " My Huscavarna rider has the choke on the throttle lever , wide open is choke and after it starts I have to throttle back till I can feel a detent , I don't know how John Deere does it , Just a thought Rex Hinz > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Sep 19 17:11:33 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:11:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: [coals] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner - album online now References: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> <414D6027.7060103@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001901c49ea6$63534da0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Enjoyed the photos Paul. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: [coals] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner - album online now > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/mstec-night-2004/index.html > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > > Today, MSTEC had an invitational rally and dinner open to the local > > clubs. The first part of the day the public were allowed in and it > > operated as a normal rally. > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 17:48:47 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:48:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <04b201c49eab$96e4f4c0$a05c14d0@net.telenet.net> Could be the coil getting heated up and starting to break down. Easy way to test it IF you have a heat gun or powerful hair drier. Start it up and run it some then play the heat gun over the coil and see if it starts acting up when it gets hot. Could also be the carb getting hot and causing partial vapor lock, way to check that, use a small spray bottle of water OR a can of canned air (upside down) run it till it starts to act up then spray the carb, fuel line with the water/air. If it starts running better it is getting hot. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "ATIS Engine List" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Hi Folks, > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 17:51:07 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:51:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> Duncan, What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more than once?? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "ATIS Engine List" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Hi Folks, > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 19 18:43:13 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:43:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <002201c49eb3$31714d20$0400a8c0@Dave> > Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV > show grounds > http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 > Dallas Hi Dallas, Was the show cancelled? Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Sep 19 20:16:38 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:16:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson Message-ID: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> (They're big.) http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson001.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson002.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson003.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson004.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dncetz at watchtv.net Sun Sep 19 20:28:08 2004 From: dncetz at watchtv.net (Doug Etzkorn) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:28:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you Message-ID: <001a01c49ec1$d956aef0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Thank you for making me feel welcome to the Atis group. I hope I can add something to the list. If you have questions I will do my best to answer them as soon as I get a chance. My wife thanks the gentlemen from England and Scotland for helping with all the school children (200 sixth graders). Doug From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Sep 19 20:26:47 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:26:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000701c49ec1$a94eb180$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Happy as a pig in ....................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson > (They're big.) > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson001.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson002.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson003.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson004.jpg > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 19 21:50:09 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:50:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you In-Reply-To: <001a01c49ec1$d956aef0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Message-ID: <200409200450.i8K4oE6c079885@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Thank you for making me feel welcome to the Atis group. I > hope I can add something to the list. If you have questions > I will do my best to answer them as soon as I get a chance. > My wife thanks the gentlemen from England and Scotland for > helping with all the school children (200 sixth graders). Hi Doug, Here's another one of those exotic fer'ners who the kids found entertaining. http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04/bob.jpg From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 22:31:34 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:31:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <000c01c49e78$b6330e80$240110ac@PaulMaples> References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net> Possibly germoamer's suggestion is the way to go. Frankly I don't have any experience with hooking up generators. My 8K Witte system is set up with receptacles so I'd probably use extension cords from it! At any rate -- be safe! Bob At 01:44 PM 9/19/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Bob, > >This is a new home with NO electrical service to it right now. My son and >his wife are suppose to move in at the end of this month and they are >doing all of the painting and need lighting. The utility company has sent >most of their people to Florida to work on storm damage and told me it may >be two weeks or longer before they can run service to the house. I am just >trying to get them enough power to run their lights so they can see to >work on the home at night. > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Holtzer" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:27 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > > >>Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate >>response to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of >>existing wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why >>no local power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice >>from the local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house >>protection. >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>>I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base >>>to provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to >>>this house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from >>>the 240 volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? >>>Anything I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. >>> >>>Paul >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 20 01:47:42 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:47:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Message-ID: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's rally held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). There was an impressive array of engines and tractors as well as vintage cars and trucks. I arrived early on Saturday morning (as I worked Friday night) and set up my Austral and the 1hp R&V. The Austral ran fine all morning until the timing valve spring failed. A repair was made with a spring that was fairly close in size and a bit of wire off the fence. The engine then ran perfectly for the rest of the day. Saturday night the list member encampment made their way to the nearby pub for food and refreshment. On our way out the gate one of the tractor guys came flying past in his truck. He had come back to check that he had not left one of his tractors running! We will forgive him as he had brought 15 tractors to the rally. (BTW He had left it running but it had long since stopped as it had run out of fuel). We had a good night at the pub (some more than others, Brock!) and returned to our camp and a roaring fire. Sunday we uncovered the engines and I found the Austral had seized overnight! This was a big surprise as the engine is very worn. It took loosening the big end and bumping the crank against it to free the engine. I think that a combination of heavy oil and cold running has gummed up the rings. The Austral was soon running again but later in the day stopped and refused to restart. Some maintenance is on the way this week! The piston has not been out for a long time and it has done a lot of running without a load recently which is not great for a kero engine. There was a small swap area and some interesting stuff to be found. I bought a 8hp Buzacott which is a fairly rare find. It is missing the head and some other bits but I may have a head to fit it somewhere. It was a great weekend and I enjoyed catching up with a lot of engine friends. I have put pictures of some of the engines up on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc041.html Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 20 02:38:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:38:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <002201c49eb3$31714d20$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <01e501c49ef5$a6d883c0$630d1bd3@athlon> > Hi Dallas, Was the show cancelled? > Dave Hey, they aint ALL wimps Dave! Didnt ya see the bubbles rising? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sun Sep 19 14:49:16 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:49:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <007101c49e92$8d42de00$8867fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Paul, As always great photo's, a question for you and any one else on the list watching. The cooling tanks on the Lister engines, the corrugated iron type, how small in diameter can they be made? Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally > Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's rally > held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). > There was an impressive array of engines and tractors as well as vintage > cars and trucks. I arrived early on Saturday morning (as I worked Friday > night) and set up my Austral and the 1hp R&V. The Austral ran fine all > morning until the timing valve spring failed. A repair was made with a > spring that was fairly close in size and a bit of wire off the fence. The > engine then ran perfectly for the rest of the day. > Saturday night the list member encampment made their way to the nearby pub > for food and refreshment. On our way out the gate one of the tractor guys > came flying past in his truck. He had come back to check that he had not > left one of his tractors running! We will forgive him as he had brought 15 > tractors to the rally. (BTW He had left it running but it had long since > stopped as it had run out of fuel). > We had a good night at the pub (some more than others, Brock!) and returned > to our camp and a roaring fire. > Sunday we uncovered the engines and I found the Austral had seized > overnight! This was a big surprise as the engine is very worn. It took > loosening the big end and bumping the crank against it to free the engine. I > think that a combination of heavy oil and cold running has gummed up the > rings. The Austral was soon running again but later in the day stopped and > refused to restart. Some maintenance is on the way this week! The piston has > not been out for a long time and it has done a lot of running without a load > recently which is not great for a kero engine. > There was a small swap area and some interesting stuff to be found. I bought > a 8hp Buzacott which is a fairly rare find. It is missing the head and some > other bits but I may have a head to fit it somewhere. > It was a great weekend and I enjoyed catching up with a lot of engine > friends. > I have put pictures of some of the engines up on my site at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc041.html > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 20 02:55:40 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:55:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001301c49ef7$fcf9da40$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Thanks Patrick for the show pics. That Meadow Bank engine is't OZ made or UK? Looks very great to me. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's rally > held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). > I have put pictures of some of the engines up on my site at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc041.html > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 20 03:09:21 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:09:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <001301c49ef7$fcf9da40$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200409201009.i8KA9K6c020378@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi John, The Meadowbank was made in Sydney in the suburb of Meadowbank. They are a copy of the Scottish Melvin engine. Here is a picture of Edd's Melvin: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061417.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Thanks Patrick for the show pics. That Meadow Bank engine is't OZ made or UK? Looks very great to me. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 20 03:11:32 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:11:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <007101c49e92$8d42de00$8867fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <200409201011.i8KABP6c021145@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Andy, I don't think I have seen a corrugated iron tank under about a foot and a half in diameter. I would say that there is only so far the iron can be bent before it creases. Perhaps a better mind than mine has a more exact answer? Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Paul, As always great photo's, a question for you and any one else on the list watching. The cooling tanks on the Lister engines, the corrugated iron type, how small in diameter can they be made? Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon Sep 20 03:17:06 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 30th Annual Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show Message-ID: <200409201017.i8KAHB6c023277@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> 30th Annual Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show The Smithsburg Athletic Booster Club will hold its 30th Annual Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show on September 25 & 26 at the Smithsburg Fire hall grounds in Smithsburg Maryland. There will be over 100 Arts & Crafts and Flea Markets. There will be a large display of antique steam traction engines, gas tractors and gas engines. On Saturday their will, be a parade through town at 5:00 PM, on Sunday there is a Kids Peddle Pull at 2:00 PM. The food is the best in the area with Country Ham sandwiches, Pork BBQ, Pork Tenderloin, Crab Cakes, Steamers and Hotdogs, Fresh Cut french-fries, Homemade hot Apple Pies, Homemade Bean Soup and our "Would Famous LEOPARD STEW". Show times are Saturday 9:00 AM to after the Parade and Sunday 10:00 AM until 5:00 PM. Directions: We are East of Hagerstown Maryland, From Interstate 70 take exit #35 "RT. 66" toward Smithsburg. Follow the signs to the Fire hall Grounds The Show is sponsored by, The Smithsburg Athletic Boosters Club of Smithsburg High School to promote and encourage the Youth of Smithsburg High School. For More information call or write Mike Rohrer, P.O. Box 754, Smithsburg, MD 21783 1-301-824-3593 - home 1-301-416-8581 - work wmrohrer at myactv.net Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ 30th Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show September 25 - 26, 2004 Smithsburg, MD ============================================== Shows where we will have our Sawmill in 2004 ============================================== Middletown Gas Engine & Tractor Show June 26 & 27, 2004 Middletown, MD ============================================== Catoctin Antique Gas Engine Show October 2 & 3, 2004 Wolfsville, MD From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 20 05:32:06 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:32:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re the furore created by my comments Message-ID: <012501c49f0d$daed1be0$a4a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I don't normally stir up trouble and then leave town but in this case it was unavoidable.I have been away for some days .So now lets get a few things straight....I said the operator of the steam traction engine was STUPID . I led with my chin there and should have said he was a irresponsible idiot, the machine was full of defects and i did not "Twist '' the facts [ why would i?]I wont go into the details as anyone who has an interest will know them.To operate the machine in such condition was done with no regard to those people on it ,around it and even those poor bloody policemen who some moron on SEL tried to blame for the accident It was an accident as i am sure the operator did not set out to blow the thing up but it was faulty and if inspected and repaired and operated correctly could have been avoided. Enough said about that . Now one of our list has chosen to make some comment about me and the Taliban. I have been of the opinion for some time that this person is a fool. His comment has now shown me that my suspicions were well founded . Any further reference by me regarding him will now cease. Naturally we got around to Communism, amazing the Reds are still under the beds! Now the reference to me being a Liberal ....I will forgive this show of ignorance . In our country a Liberal is Right Wing , I suppose if you want to call me anything call me Left Wing ,perhaps even a Socialist.....who knows.but there again i have a choice,.in any case what my political leanings are ,are my business. Of course that old Chestnut" Guns ''came up ,talk about paranoia!! [This will bring them out of the woodwork!] Perhaps my reference to standing under the launch pad was a bit too subtle. Any way i will pay my insurance ,sit behind a fence and enjoy myself ...others may wish to keep raging and sit in their shed playing with themselves! Just remember this life is no rehearsal Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Sep 20 05:54:31 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:54:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c49f10$f9c9edb0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Dusty, Welcome to the list. I think you will find the list to be full of "seriously" disturbed engine collectors, there is also talk about axes, taxes, faxes, foxes and candy, just to name a few. There is some serious knowledge of engines and ideas as well, enough to fill a book, why dont you write a book??????????????????????????? Oh Yeah, for those of you who do not know, Dusty published one of the best ever books on a particular line of engines last yr. It was on the M & W engines. If there are any copies available you should try to get one, (they are as Darth Vader said once to young Skywalker) Impressive, Most impressive!!! Enjoy the list, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:07:39 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <002201c49eb3$31714d20$0400a8c0@Dave> <01e501c49ef5$a6d883c0$630d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <414ED61B.ECFEFA75@insulate.co.uk> Jim said he heard that the feature was marine engines this year. Dolly Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > Hi Dallas, Was the show cancelled? > > Dave > > Hey, they aint ALL wimps Dave! Didnt ya see the bubbles rising? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:10:08 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:10:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <414ED6B0.9E5399E2@insulate.co.uk> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The Austral ran fine all > morning until the timing valve spring failed. A repair was made with a > spring that was fairly close in size and a bit of wire off the fence. The > engine then ran perfectly for the rest of the day. Always knew there was a reason why you Ozzies insisted on the fencing! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:11:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:11:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one of my husbands from the other! Dolly John Culp wrote: > (They're big.) > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson.jpg -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 20 06:45:29 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:45:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000e01c49f18$1762a9f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Comon Dolly, for an experienced Flame Mistress like you it's a piece of cake. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is > getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one > of my husbands from the other! > > Dolly From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 07:21:23 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:21:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> pull the meter so you dont electrocute any possible careless linemen . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 07:26:47 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:26:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you Message-ID: <00b501c49f1d$dd17a9c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi Doug, > Here's another one of those exotic fer'ners who the kids found entertaining. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04/bob.jpg Someone put shoes on him ! Or is this ANOTHER new insurance requirement ? Chuck From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 20 13:59:16 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:59:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c49f54$b0d16a40$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson > John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is > getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one > of my husbands from the other! > Dolly I hear there might be a new pop group playing at Portland next year! See http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/190082364LtMBUP Dave Croft From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 16:29:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:29:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson In-Reply-To: <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: :-D John On Sep 20, 2004, at 9:11 AM, Jim French wrote: > John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is > getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one > of my husbands from the other! > > Dolly From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 16:32:55 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:32:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net> <004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> One important thing to remember if you use the method of back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that the prongs on the plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged into the generator. Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with the prongs, or to accidentally short them out. If you choose to do that, (of course, making sure there's no possible connection with the mains), first plug in inside and connect to the generator last. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 16:34:44 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:34:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson In-Reply-To: <000401c49f54$b0d16a40$0f856ad5@zen> References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> <000401c49f54$b0d16a40$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: > I hear there might be a new pop group playing at Portland next year! > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/190082364LtMBUP > Dave Croft And y'all thought Jim was only one of twins. Really triplets! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Mon Sep 20 17:33:17 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:33:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net><4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net><004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <016601c49f72$971f1020$971117d1@net.telenet.net> Yep that is why I almost always make a short twin plug lead to connect on one end, and use a plug on one end and a socket on the other of the main feed line. That way you have an extension cord as well as the short feeder line. =o----------------------o= o=-----------------------------------------------------o= o=[power] Plug Plug ------------ Plug Generator Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > One important thing to remember if you use the method of > back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that the prongs on the > plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged into the generator. > Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with the prongs, or to > accidentally short them out. If you choose to do that, (of course, > making sure there's no possible connection with the mains), first plug > in inside and connect to the generator last. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 17:35:48 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:35:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <016601c49f72$971f1020$971117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net><4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net><004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <016601c49f72$971f1020$971117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <2EDB4E34-0B66-11D9-9DBC-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Good arrangement. John On Sep 20, 2004, at 8:33 PM, Steve W. wrote: > Yep that is why I almost always make a short twin plug lead to connect > on one end, and use a plug on one end and a socket on the other of the > main feed line. That way you have an extension cord as well as the > short > feeder line. > =o----------------------o= > o=-----------------------------------------------------o= o=[power] > Plug Plug > ------------ Plug Generator > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon Sep 20 17:39:37 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:39:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Thanks for the report and great pics. Top job as usual mate. Regards, Lyndsay . >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally >Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:47:42 +1000 > >Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's >rally >held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). _________________________________________________________________ In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at CarPoint: http://server-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/b?cg=link&ci=ninemsn&tu=http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au?refid=hotmail_tagline From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 20 18:35:01 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:35:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: If you do connect with the mains, just make sure you are in phase :) Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help One important thing to remember if you use the method of back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that the prongs on the plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged into the generator. Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with the prongs, or to accidentally short them out. If you choose to do that, (of course, making sure there's no possible connection with the mains), first plug in inside and connect to the generator last. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Sep 20 18:36:48 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:36:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you Message-ID: <000c01c49f7b$7c75b860$e8680b42@gnarmstrong> Doug, I enjoyed meeting you and discussing your 2Hp bessemer. I'm looking forward to Dave Park getting some copies of your fuel and water tank support. Geo. F. Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Doug Etzkorn To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you >Thank you for making me feel welcome to the Atis group. I hope I can add something to the list. If you have questions I will do my best to answer them as soon as I get a chance. My wife thanks the gentlemen from England and Scotland for helping with all the school children (200 sixth graders). > >Doug >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Sep 20 21:42:20 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:42:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Hi All, It may be the governor as it does not like to idle down after it warms up and has been worked. I talked to the former ownere last night and he said he used to change the points and it worked. It is a 14 HP Kohler engine in it. Runs good. Seems to have an automotive style coil which I am told is a replacement.. Has a seperate choke as well Duncan ED wrote: > Duncan, > What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more > than once?? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan Denman" > To: "ATIS Engine List" > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > Hi Folks, > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Duncan > > > > -- > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > Visit our Home Page at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Mon Sep 20 20:15:52 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:15:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <414F9CE8.B45CFC14@cable-lynx.net> Hello Duncan, My garden tractor has a 19 hp Kohler engine. It acts similar to what I understand yours does. I found I had to adjust the main jet and idle jet on the carburetor to correct. I have to change these adjustments in the spring when the weather warms up and again in the fall when it cools down. It doesn't take much of change in the settings to make a difference. Keep us posted on what works for you. Rupert Duncan Denman wrote: > > Hi All, > > It may be the governor as it does not like to idle down after it warms up and > has been worked. I talked to the former ownere last night and he said he used > to change the points and it worked. > It is a 14 HP Kohler engine in it. Runs good. Seems to have an automotive > style coil which I am told is a replacement.. Has a seperate choke as well > > Duncan > > ED wrote: > > > Duncan, > > What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more > > than once?? > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Duncan Denman" > > To: "ATIS Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > -- > > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > > Visit our Home Page at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 20 21:18:45 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:18:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409201009.i8KA9K6c020378@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Patrick, Thanks for the great pictures. I'm new and ignorant, but the picture John shared turned on a light bulb. I noticed the head on the side of the cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is considered a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it quite clear. Thanks and.... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Sydney Rally > Hi John, > The Meadowbank was made in Sydney in the suburb of Meadowbank. They > are a copy of the Scottish Melvin engine. Here is a picture of Edd's > Melvin: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061417.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Thanks Patrick for the show pics. That Meadow Bank > engine is't OZ made or UK? > Looks very great to me. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 03:43:03 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040921104303.43164.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> SEL, I did not read the original question about hooking up a generator so I am assuming we are doing it without a double throw disconnect. I read one email to pull the meter. That will prevent from back feeding. Do it the safe way. Get a double throw switch so there is NO way to have an accident. These switches can be bought at any electric supply house. Once you hook up your double throw switch you can also wire in a light on the power company side so you know when the power company has restored its power. When it comes to electric I am a stickler for safety. Anyone at anytime can hook up your generator to the double throw and not accidentally forget to pull the meter or what ever. I am off my soap box and I hope I did not offend anyone. SAFETY FIRST!!!!!! Jim --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > If you do connect with the mains, just make sure you > are in phase :) > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:33 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter > Base - Help > > > One important thing to remember if you use the > method of > back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that > the prongs on the > plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged > into the generator. > Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with > the prongs, or to > accidentally short them out. If you choose to do > that, (of course, > making sure there's no possible connection with the > mains), first plug > in inside and connect to the generator last. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 21 04:05:33 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:05:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy Message-ID: <200409211105.i8LB5c6c090695@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Ron Sullivan picked up this engine at the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/DCP_3135.JPG It is a 20hp Austral Oil Engine on the stationary base. The engine is getting shipped home on a truck as it is a bit of a load to haul home over 1000km! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 21 04:49:25 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:49:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] my comments Message-ID: <001c01c49fd1$0ea4f750$b3a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Kerry ...thanks for your on list support ....you have echoed my sentiments exactly in a much stronger version , thanks mate . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Sep 21 05:34:13 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <200409201009.i8KA9K6c020378@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <26979.165.206.180.118.1095770053.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Sideshaft - typically the camshaft runs the "length" of the engine from the crankshaft area up to the head/valve area. The cam is usually driven by a worm gear or similar arrangement (to get the right-angle drive) So rather than a long push rod mechanism, the cam runs the valve more or less directly. Side shaft because the shaft to run the valving runs along the side of the engine. More expensive to manufacture, better design. Of course some nimnodes on eBay list their "horizontal shaft" B&S engines as sideshaft engines, too! Geesh! Those are not sideshaft, they are quite simply "horizontal crankshaft" or simply, horizontal shaft engines, nothing special unless you are looking for a minibike or go-kart engine...... Will get to your other message later - just found it - we get over 200 + SPAMs a day now, and the filtering is less than ideal. Will be switching to some anti-spam software soon. I have a bad feeling that we are losing a lot of messages in the fray. Bill > I noticed the head on the side of the > cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is > considered > a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it > quite clear. Thanks and.... > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Sep 21 06:28:47 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:28:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" Message-ID: Well, my machinist friend got bit by the bug big time. He's looking for a trip rod assembly (just the assembly that screws in) for a 1 1/2 hp. He also believes he can fabricate one if he gets a drawing. This engine uses the IHC Mag and Ignitor. He'd sure appreciate some help on this one and he doesn't do computers..........yet :-)) TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 21 07:04:10 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:04:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca><008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <00a101c49fe3$dea27d80$991117d1@net.telenet.net> That coil could be the problem. I have always seemed to have problems with Kohlers that have had the coil replaced with anything other than a factory coil. Even when it was a "correct" coil with the resistor inside. Don't have a clue why, it would seem that a coil was a coil as long as it is the correct type. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Hi All, > > It may be the governor as it does not like to idle down after it warms up and > has been worked. I talked to the former ownere last night and he said he used > to change the points and it worked. > It is a 14 HP Kohler engine in it. Runs good. Seems to have an automotive > style coil which I am told is a replacement.. Has a seperate choke as well > > Duncan > > ED wrote: > > > Duncan, > > What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more > > than once?? > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Duncan Denman" > > To: "ATIS Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > -- > > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > > Visit our Home Page at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 21 08:17:40 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:17:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html Dave From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 21 09:56:53 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:56:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! In-Reply-To: <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> Dave, We could always recommend the Portland singer of their anthem sing at the monument ceremony! Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: >And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Sep 21 10:24:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:24:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! In-Reply-To: <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:56:53 -0400, you wrote: >Dave, >We could always recommend the Portland singer of their anthem sing at >the monument ceremony! >Curt > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html >> Dave I don't know if it was the same lady we heard at the 2003 show, but boy, she was powerful if not entirely tuneful! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 21 11:28:44 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon><025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <029a01c4a008$d3f64090$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Curt, I'm PISSED about the memorial--but I think your suggestion is going too far! Dave > Dave, > We could always recommend the Portland singer of their anthem sing at > the monument ceremony! > Curt > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html > > Dave > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 21 13:08:14 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:08:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Rick Rolands Message-ID: <41508A2E.2000205@imc-group.com> Rick, Could you please contact me offlist. I've lost your email address in a computer hickup. Curt Holland P.S. Quote? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 14:17:43 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:17:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I bought a mag earlier this summer at an auction complete with gear for an an IH type M ignitor engine. I just tried installing it on a 3hp engine and the mag gear doesn't mesh with the cam gear. It is too small in diameter. I'm guessing the one I have is for a 1.5hp engine. Is the magneto gear for a 3hp larger in diameter than the gear for a 1.5 hp? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 21 15:13:58 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:13:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: Mine arrived yesterday (Monday 9/20) Beaverton Oregon George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > jlb94 at juno.com > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:50 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] GEM > > Judge Tommy Turner = Mine arrived on the 15th and is usually > here by the 10th. > Dwight Vivas = Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. > Tom Schmutz = None here either. > = = = = = = = > = = > > Thanks Guys - Maybe I'm jumping the gun. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Tue Sep 21 16:17:53 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:17:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon><025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave><41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> <029a01c4a008$d3f64090$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <001401c4a031$384bf440$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> Don't blame ME !!!! They didn't ask MY opinion before they did something that STUPID !!!! Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 21 17:43:35 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:43:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409220043.i8M0hbrA007866@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Luke, My parts cat. indicates the 1 1/2 hp uses a gear with 30 teeth and 36 teeth on a 3 HP. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear Hi Everyone, I bought a mag earlier this summer at an auction complete with gear for an an IH type M ignitor engine. I just tried installing it on a 3hp engine and the mag gear doesn't mesh with the cam gear. It is too small in diameter. I'm guessing the one I have is for a 1.5hp engine. Is the magneto gear for a 3hp larger in diameter than the gear for a 1.5 hp? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Sep 21 17:45:07 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:45:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040921.174508.640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Mine came today. 9-21 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:13:58 -0700 "George Best" writes: > Mine arrived yesterday (Monday 9/20) > Beaverton Oregon > > George From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 21 17:46:52 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:46:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! In-Reply-To: <001401c4a031$384bf440$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon><025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave><41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> <029a01c4a008$d3f64090$0400a8c0@Dave> <001401c4a031$384bf440$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-ID: Hey Bob, are you still talking about singing the Canadian anthem at Portland? > Don't blame ME !!!! They didn't ask MY opinion before they did > something that STUPID !!!! > Bob John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 21 18:51:05 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:51:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040921.215751.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> Mine also arrived yesterday - 9-20-04 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 21 18:48:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:48:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com> don't know if it was the same lady we heard at the 2003 show, but boy, she was powerful if not entirely tuneful! :-)) = = = = = = I believe we should be thankful to have someone "actually" sing it. They could play some "Scratchy" recording. As for the statue - - - Maybe Canada could take ALL our unwanteds. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Aermoter at aol.com Tue Sep 21 20:09:30 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:09:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/21/2004 9:00:58 PM Central Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: They could play some "Scratchy" recording Anything would be better than having to listen to her sing. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 21 04:39:03 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:39:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <20040921104303.43164.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c49fcf$9a489070$240110ac@PaulMaples> NO offense at all Jim and the advice is well taken. You have missed some of my original posts. This is a new home that my son and wife are building with no power to it whatsoever. We are waiting on the utility company to come out and run the underground service but they say it will be a couple of weeks as they have sent most of their crews to Florida. I am wiring the home, my son and his wife are doing all of the painting and the staining of the floors and we all need some power to work by, more than the two construction extension cords that is currently available. I also needed to check out all of my wiring circuits. I now have the generator installed and all is working great. I will remove it just as soon as the utility company calls me and tells me they are coming to run the underground service. Thanks James for the excellent advice, it is appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > SEL, > > I did not read the original question about hooking up > a generator so I am assuming we are doing it without a > double throw disconnect. I read one email to pull the > meter. That will prevent from back feeding. Do it the From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 22 02:20:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:20:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200409220920.i8M9K0rA028756@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Jeff, The Melvin/Meadowbank engines are sideshaft engines. They are headless but have a removable valve chamber on the side. There are a number of examples of different sideshaft engines on the Sydney Rally page including my Austral, a Blackstone, some Hornsbys and Crossleys. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, Thanks for the great pictures. I'm new and ignorant, but the picture John shared turned on a light bulb. I noticed the head on the side of the cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is considered a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it quite clear. Thanks and.... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 22 03:56:01 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:56:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear Message-ID: Thanks Reg and Jim. Thanks for the offer Reg, I'll see if I can find one over here. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > >Yes mate, they are two different sizes. 36 teeth on one and 30 on the >other. >If you have no luck with getting one, I have one here that comes off the >low >tension mag. Different hole on the middle so would need altering. >Reg & Marg Ingold. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "Jim O'Hagan" > >Hi Luke, > My parts cat. indicates the 1 1/2 hp uses a gear with 30 teeth and 36 >teeth on a 3 HP. > >Jim O'Hagan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 22 07:14:54 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:14:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Exhaust Barkers are Woo Woo ? References: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <04C23FAC-090C-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <004001c4a0ae$89563b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> There has been a resurgence in popularity of the exhaust barker in the street tuner scene in the form of the Whistle Tip . The Hells Angels arn't the only good thing to come out of Oakland , and everything comes back around again . No liquids while viewing http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bubbrubb.html Chuck B From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 22 07:04:09 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:04:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: <20040922.102516.808.2.jlb94@juno.com> Anything would be better than having to listen to her sing. = = = = = = = = I'm not going to argue that fact - I just feel we should be thankful that SOMEONE will sing it "live". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:09:30 EDT Aermoter at aol.com writes: From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 22 15:54:28 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:54:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question Message-ID: <000d01c4a0f7$1e87d080$79680b42@gnarmstrong> Thx. Arnie, The Bessemer info arrvd. today. It is an excellent resource and I have just begun to review its contents. Like I said---I owe you. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question >Hi George, > >There are two check balls where the gas line enters the fuel feeder. Both >of mine were goo'ed in. Gumout & a few taps got them free. > >I can mail you a drawing of the area in question from a Bessemer catalog >if that would help. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland >> this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing >> work and the reason for the question. Geo. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 22 16:12:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:12:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409220920.i8M9K0rA028756@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000801c4a0f9$b2e772b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Patrick and Bill, Thanks for the info on sideshaft engines. Went back and looked at the pictures again. Pretty sophisticated and many variations. I do believe I have seen one now though I didn't know at the time. Sure enjoyed watching it run. http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault03.html Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:20 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Sydney Rally > Hi Jeff, > The Melvin/Meadowbank engines are sideshaft engines. They are > headless but have a removable valve chamber on the side. There are a > number > of examples of different sideshaft engines on the Sydney Rally page > including my Austral, a Blackstone, some Hornsbys and Crossleys. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > Patrick, > > Thanks for the great pictures. I'm new and ignorant, but the picture John > shared turned on a light bulb. I noticed the head on the side of the > cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is > considered > > a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it > quite clear. Thanks and.... > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Sep 22 17:16:33 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:16:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival Message-ID: <003c01c4a102$9752a980$90d7f504@x8h7l9> If anyone from SEL or SmokStak is going to Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival this Saturday, September 25 , a few of us are planning to meet at the windmill tower at noon to meet each other and get a picture. The show is in Kent Connecticut . http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Sep 22 18:47:47 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:47:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! > don't know if it was the same lady we heard at the 2003 show, but boy, > she was > powerful if not entirely tuneful! :-)) > = = = = = = > I believe we should be thankful to have someone "actually" sing it. > They could play some "Scratchy" recording. > > As for the statue - - - Maybe Canada could take ALL our unwanteds. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 22 18:58:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:58:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com> <000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <01a801c4a110$ce460320$0400a8c0@Dave> > Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers > and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers > > Rex This thread has taken an interesting turn. How about we talk about ALL those from Canada who HAVE NOT contacted anyone to protest the memorial/monument? Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 22 21:51:09 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:51:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com><000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> <01a801c4a110$ce460320$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <001901c4a128$f255a780$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Perhaps they have Dave. Considering the easiest route into our country for a terrorist is through Canada does not lead me to believe our Northern neighbors don't care. I missed Vietnam by a couple months and Canada was never an option for me. Heartbeat away from signing up and I choose motorpool as opposed to front line draft. War ended. Judge me as you will. I have no doubt that Jane Fonda and John Kerry will be there for the ceremony. Thanks for sharing this. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! >> Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers >> and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers >> >> Rex > This thread has taken an interesting turn. How about we talk about ALL > those > from Canada who HAVE NOT contacted anyone to protest the > memorial/monument? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 06:47:02 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:47:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. Message-ID: Howdy all; Well fall is here and we've already had our first snow. I made a couple shows this summer in Mt. Will hit more next year. Even talking about Portland 2005. Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. Everything around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a tractor. I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling but can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Sep 23 07:48:03 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:48:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> rick, the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck yoke ring to slide onto. ______________ (____ ______ )__) marv in minn > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. Everything > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > tractor. > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > but > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > TIA > RickinMt. From jeffchattin at msn.com Thu Sep 23 08:08:34 2004 From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:08:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] contact information References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com><000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> <01a801c4a110$ce460320$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Does anyone have Jim Adomis's Phone Number. He is Supposed to be located in Eastern Ohio Thanks Jeff From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 23 08:18:01 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:18:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Excellent Calendars Message-ID: <4tp5l0h015g7e29a9o6fm9jaggveve6sam@4ax.com> We had a couple of calendars from Rita's brother in Australia today, both are worth a mention as they will appeal to most guys on the Lists: 1) Vintage Engineering - showing various stationary engines in full-colour pictures each month. Stationary Engine Calendar 10, Avoca Street Heidelberg, Victoria 3084, Australia 2) Grey Power - Oldies humour, we both had a good laugh! Bartel Publications, 36 Ricketty Street. Mascot, NSW 2020 Australia (I think that's near Peter Lowe?) We can recommend either/both to all. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 08:33:14 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:33:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. References: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Is the below what you meant Marv? If so I'm confused. I'm thinking that it was some kind of quick connect/disconnect assy., ..don't ask me why. I've almost googlized myself to death!! Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > > rick, > the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck > yoke ring to slide onto. > ______________ > (____ ______ > )__) > > > marv in minn > > > > > > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. > > Everything > > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > > tractor. > > > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > > but > > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From weirgrant at hotmail.com Thu Sep 23 09:00:01 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:00:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: >From: "Dave Rotigel" >Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! > >And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html > Dave Hi Dave, I think it would be safe to say that most Canadians would agree that the whole idea really is in very bad taste, and that yes, we will likely protest this thing into the trash can where it belongs. At least I sure hope so. There appears to considerable negative attention already. We sure do appreciate you folks playing our national anthem along with yours at your events. We do the same and will continue to do so regardless of the actions of the few. I does make you wonder how people come up with this stuff though does'nt it. What a silly idea! Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft? SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 09:09:31 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:09:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish Message-ID: Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. Also thinking about using cold Gun-Bluing on the flywheel faces. Whatcha all think? I was typing at the Gal Man this a.m. and mentioned that the countdown to crank-up can begin. Probably a week..maybe a little more. I'll fabricate and install the gas tank lines today. Then about all I need is a small spring for the Lunk and a couple decals. It's taken all my restraint to keep from crankin' this baby up, but I knew I had to completely finish it first. Will post pix's of the crankup. Take Care ya'll "Live is GREAT" RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 23 09:19:07 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:19:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? George From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 09:52:08 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue In-Reply-To: References: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > I've almost googlized myself to death!! Hey Rick, Better stop that!! Not only will you grow hair on your palms, you'll go blind!! See ya, Arnie PS - I once knew a gal who suffered from Truck Tongue. In addition to being able to lick chrome off a bumper, she could suck-start a Harley! Wotta gal!! 8-)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 09:53:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I've got a Light Six Sandwich. Are you looking for info on the Heavy Six or the Light Six? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Sep 23 09:50:02 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine References: Message-ID: <048601c4a18d$60225560$0301a8c0@ALEC> George,No 8's but I have some 6 's, 4.5, 3, 1.5,,,,But I am looking for an 8 or 10 if you have any extras, Tks , Call my cell , am traveling for several days after this post. 1.207.939.8764 Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine > Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 23 10:09:35 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:09:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine Message-ID: I'm not sure. Dumb me didn't measure the flywheels or the bore/stroke. If I'd done that I could have determined which size it was. I do know it's a pretty good size engine. Has a fair amount of original paint and "Sandwich" is still readable on the hopper. Unfortunately the rocker arm and support is missing. The owner thought he had the rocker arm, but his barn is full of stuff and after a short search we couldn't find it. Somewhere I should have some digital pictures I took of this engine several years ago when it was still sitting outside at his place and hopefully I can find the pictures to prove whether the rocker arm was on it then or removed after it was moved into his barn. There also is no brass tag on the engine. However, I removed the cover on the water hopper and felt around in the dark to see if the rocker arm was put in the water hopper. I did feel a thin flat piece that had slid under the cylinder in the hopper and thought that it might be the brass tag. I think engines without tags are worth less than engines with tags, so I didn't want to discover the missing tag until the engine is mine! ;-) Have to keep all the bargaining power I can for talking down the engine to get a good price ;-) So if I get this engine I'll be looking for someone with the same size to copy the rocker arm and support if the original ones cannot be found. Any ideas on the values of Sandwich engines in the 6hp to 8hp size? George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sandwich engine > > Hi George, > > I've got a Light Six Sandwich. > > Are you looking for info on the Heavy Six or the Light Six? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > > > Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 23 11:08:42 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:08:42 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue References: Message-ID: <4153112A.000001.03060@NOTEBOOK> Arnie Said> PS - I once knew a gal who suffered from Truck Tongue. In addition to being able to lick chrome off a bumper, she could suck-start a Harley! Wotta gal!! 8-)) At least now I know where my first wife has been Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 23 11:37:00 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415317CC.20900@imc-group.com> Rick, You know how I like pretty finishes on these old engines and carts, but I fear you may have made a bit of a mistake blasting your blade. That's the one part that is still a dull rusty color on my Herc and Famous sawrigs. Perhaps you did not have a choice but unfortunately blasting places the surface of the metal in compression and will make a saw blade "wavy". Blades are hammered in the center area to create some dish. When the blade is spun up to speed the blade "tightens" and become flat again, making the outer edge of the blade "tight". Hammering places the center and mid sections of the blade in compression and the outer area in tension. Blasting places the entire blade in compression. When spun the outer edge will wobble all over the place. The same thing happens when there is incorrect set in the teeth. Drag will overheat the outer area of the blade making the blade scary wavy. Can you chuck the blade up and use some sandpaper to polish the blasting efforts away making it look more like original? Then oil it and send it to a blade smith having him sharpen, set, balance, and hammer it again. Hammering is a technique best left to the experts. I had mine done by a fellow in SC years ago. Before my blade was hammered I was shocked at how wavy it was when up to speed. The blade wobbled enough that I was certain it was going to hit the sawrig frame! As some point in it's life the table had been hit numerous time by the blade. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Time 2:35 EST Richard Strobel wrote: > Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? >I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > > Also thinking about using cold Gun-Bluing on the flywheel faces. Whatcha >all think? > > I was typing at the Gal Man this a.m. and mentioned that the countdown to >crank-up can begin. Probably a week..maybe a little more. I'll fabricate >and install the gas tank lines today. Then about all I need is a small >spring for the Lunk and a couple decals. > > It's taken all my restraint to keep from crankin' this baby up, but I knew >I had to completely finish it first. > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 11:50:35 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Back in 1998 I paid $1100 for a complete, running Light Six Sandwich on a buzz saw rig. In addition to your rocker arm issue, other things to look for: - Is the governor weights cover there and not broken? - Is the cast iron crank guard there and not broken? - Does it have the original muffler? - Does it have the hand crank? - Is it Webster ignitor or newer Wico high tension? Mine is yes, yes, yes, yes, and Wico with some original paint and very faded Sandwich. It does have the brass tag though. Which includes "Bracket & Shaw" who were a New England distributor. 8-)) You can get repro Sandwich catalogs from the usual vendors. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > So if I get this engine I'll be looking for someone with the same size > to copy the rocker arm and support if the original ones cannot be found. > > Any ideas on the values of Sandwich engines in the 6hp to 8hp size? From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Thu Sep 23 12:07:59 2004 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:07:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George I have an 8 hp. Bill -----Original Message----- From: George Best [mailto:George_Best at adp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:19 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 23 12:47:03 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:47:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish Message-ID: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. = = = = = = = Hi Rick, I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The oil gave a nice dark finish. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 23 13:54:30 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:54:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: Mine came 9/22 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 23 14:27:34 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:27:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish Message-ID: <46.597b71a2.2e8499c6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/2004 2:39:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Hammering is a technique best left to the experts. I had mine done by a fellow in SC years ago >> Curt, I have always wanted to watch someone hammer a saw blade and what they look for and how they correct it! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 14:48:55 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040923214855.92502.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, What Marv has shown is correct. What it is , is a piece of say, 3/16" X 1" steel bend to fit over the dia. of the tounge and extending an inch or so out past the end of the tounge. On the under side the steel is bent down, say 3" or so from the front end, back straight, up, then straight again. This creates a bump or stop for the ring so the tounge can't slide through. Bolts are added from the top through the steel, both top and bottom behind the bump you added. None on front of the bump because the ring rides in this area. Clear as MUD ???? Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Is the below what you meant Marv? If so I'm confused. I'm thinking that it was some kind of quick connect/disconnect assy., ..don't ask me why. I've almost googlized myself to death!! Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > > rick, > the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck > yoke ring to slide onto. > ______________ > (____ ______ > )__) > > > marv in minn > > > > > > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. > > Everything > > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > > tractor. > > > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > > but > > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! From b2 at chooka.net Thu Sep 23 14:58:33 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:58:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <46.597b71a2.2e8499c6@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c4a1b8$78511290$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering a saw blade? B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish > In a message dated 9/23/2004 2:39:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > << Hammering is a technique best left to the > experts. I had mine done by a fellow in SC years ago >> > > > Curt, > > I have always wanted to watch someone hammer a saw blade and what they look > for and how they correct it! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 23 15:45:32 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:45:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave Message-ID: <4153520C.1070402@scrtc.com> Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of the few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the SEL discussion that pops up from time to time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 23 15:21:49 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:21:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue References: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <010a01c4a1c1$ce868920$2f0d1bd3@athlon> Hey Arnie, Ya got me!! My turn for the 'coffee snort' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > I've almost googlized myself to death!! > > Hey Rick, > > Better stop that!! Not only will you grow hair on your palms, you'll go > blind!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - I once knew a gal who suffered from Truck Tongue. In addition to > being able to lick chrome off a bumper, she could suck-start a Harley! > Wotta gal!! 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 23 16:04:29 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:04:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Associated Engine Pin Message-ID: <4153567D.5010307@scrtc.com> Here is a neat pin that's on Ebay. I know that Steve Barr collects this type item. The seller has some similar items for sale as well. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=828&item=7102584901&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 16:25:09 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave In-Reply-To: <4153520C.1070402@scrtc.com> References: <4153520C.1070402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Bwahahahaha!!! That would look soooo good on those red suspenders!! On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of > the few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the > SEL discussion that pops up from time to time. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 From namhel at supernet.com Thu Sep 23 16:33:56 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:33:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] contact information Message-ID: <410-220049423233356592@supernet.com> Jeff, he lives in central PA contact me and I can tell you what I know. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 23 17:37:37 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:37:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave Message-ID: <41536C51.70601@scrtc.com> I sent this a couple of hours ago but it hasn't showed up on the SEL yet. Thought I would send it again to get the info to Dave ASAP and to see how long it took this one to make it. Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of the few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the SEL discussion that pops up from time to time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 17:42:10 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:42:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. References: <20040923214855.92502.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the reply's. Marv sent the dwg. and I finally understood. Then John C. backed it up with this: http://horsedrawn.net/cgi-bin/miva.cgi?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PLST&Store_Code=HD Again...Thank you all!! Had a great day today plumbing in the gas tank and then my machinist bud, Corky..alias "Spudhead" came out and we did some shimstock and talked over his IHC "M". He's got the bug now and he reminds me of a surgeon workin' everything loose. Tonight he got the ultimate sinkin' feelin' when he removed the mag and half a dozen gear teeth stayed in the cam gear..potmetal ya know. I assured him new rebuilt mag's were available....so we toasted to the vendor's. Again it took all the restraint I had to keep from priming the little gal and see if she'd fire off. I just went over to Eco and she fires off on the back kick every time...let's not go there. As for the sawblade,,,if it wobbles I got about 4 more to pick from take care ya'll RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > Rick, > What Marv has shown is correct. What it is , is a piece of say, 3/16" X 1" > steel bend to fit over the dia. of the tounge and extending an inch or so > out past the end of the tounge. On the under side the steel is bent down, > say 3" or so from the front end, back straight, up, then straight again. > This creates a bump or stop for the ring so the tounge can't slide > through. Bolts are added from the top through the steel, both top and > bottom behind the bump you added. None on front of the bump because the > ring rides in this area. > Clear as MUD ???? > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Is the below what you meant Marv? If so I'm confused. I'm thinking that it > was some kind of quick connect/disconnect assy., ..don't ask me why. > > I've almost googlized myself to death!! > > Thanks > Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > > > > > > rick, > > the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck > > yoke ring to slide onto. > > ______________ > > (____ ______ > > )__) > > > > > > marv in minn > > > > > > > > > > > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > > > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. > > > Everything > > > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > > > tractor. > > > > > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > > > but > > > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > > > > > TIA > > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 17:44:32 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:44:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Pip...I'll oiler up and see what I get. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish > Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw > blade? > I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > = = = = = = = > Hi Rick, > > I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. > > If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The > oil gave a nice dark finish. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Sep 23 18:17:38 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:17:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866923C8-0DC7-11D9-8864-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> 86 degrees here today, Rick! :-D John On Sep 23, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all; > Well fall is here and we've already had our first snow. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 23 18:41:47 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:41:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <46.597b71a2.2e8499c6@aol.com> <00ae01c4a1b8$78511290$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <038f01c4a1d7$a7c03a50$0400a8c0@Dave> > Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering a > saw blade? > B? Hi B2, To hammer a saw blade you need one saw blade and a hammer. I've always seen it done by striking the former with the latter. Dave PS, Buy em books, send em to school and they eat the covers off the damn things! From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 23 19:02:40 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:02:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Neway? Message-ID: <005c01c4a1da$93cc78d0$49baa4cb@fred> We have just bought a Neway Vertical .air cooled engine, No I.D. tag on eng. cuold be 3 1/2 hp. any help on how to identify hp & model ? engine is missing cam gear, has anyone got a spare.? Brian in Melbourne Australia. From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Sep 23 20:13:12 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:13:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] What's it fit Message-ID: This is not a New Way cyl so does anyone have an idea what it does fit? Click here: eBay item 3842050915 (Ends Sep-30-04 17:21:34 PDT) - New Way Hit & Miss Gas Engine Cylinder #10052 NR Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 23 20:49:39 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:49:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish In-Reply-To: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41539953.2030900@udata.com> blade? >I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. >= = = = = = = >Hi Rick, > >I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. > >If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The >oil gave a nice dark finish. > > > > > Rick, I would now be a little scared of the newly sandblasted blade. Take it to an old timer and see what he tells you about it. Hammering a blade, I though, was for blades of 48 inch or larger, seems they want to wobble when running and hammering the blade will stop this wobble. See you can hammer right or left handed blades and you hammer at a given speed of the blade. Also hammering was for blades with the removable teeth. Now I might be wrong here as it has been over 23 years since I last worked with the big blade and with the circular mill. My brother has a band saw now and he cuts mostly telephone poles. If you think you want to try this newly sandblasted blade then here is what I would try.... Install blade keep everyone and everything away from the direct line of the blade, sharpen the teeth and start cutting small, about 3 inch, limbs. The wood will drag at first then will start cutting easier. Cottonwood is good to saw cause it is full of sap, cools the blade, after about 20 minutes shut down blade and feel it for heat, it should have a little at the blade hub, if any at all. Have you ever set a saws kerf? I still have one of the hand tools to do this with, also we would SWEDGE the teeth on the big mill cause you could not set kerf.. And on a chain saw you would file the rakes..... ever see a chain saw race? they always use a wore out chain. We would oil the blade every so often but not make a habit of it, if she was running hot she would get oil or if it was to set for a long time ( hardly never happened) she would get some oil on her. My sawyer could have been a rich man cause of some of the ideas he had and did. We would work a woods with only a flat bed truck and an old wc ac. No tracks, no lost young timber and easy to do. Man those days where fun, for 3.00 per hour! PS ever seen a doyle log scale? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 23 21:31:10 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/23/04 9:09 AM, "Richard Strobel" wrote: > Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? > I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > > Also thinking about using cold Gun-Bluing on the flywheel faces. Whatcha > all think? > Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it looks like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give it a light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA From fsarm at netnitco.net Thu Sep 23 21:39:17 2004 From: fsarm at netnitco.net (Fred Armstrong) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:39:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at a nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. Fred Armstrong From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 22:01:15 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What's it fit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040924050115.63142.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Looks a lot like the cylinder off of an OLD Grevely walk behind garden tractor. Joe P.S. Hope family life is suiting you well! --- Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > This is not a New Way cyl so does anyone have an idea what it does fit? > > Click here: eBay item 3842050915 (Ends Sep-30-04 17:21:34 PDT) - New Way > Hit & > Miss Gas Engine Cylinder #10052 NR > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From holdermanacres at kconline.com Fri Sep 24 05:35:06 2004 From: holdermanacres at kconline.com (Stan Holderman) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:35:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> Message-ID: <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set up many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took our canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has been a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning > for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at a > nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed > not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. > Fred Armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Sep 24 05:49:10 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:49:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Message-ID: <415417C6.000001.02076@NOTEBOOK> Could someone please provide directions to the NIHPA show? -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/24/04 08:37:44 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set up many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took our canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has been a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning > for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at a > nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed > not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. > Fred Armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 24 06:45:28 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:45:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> <41539953.2030900@udata.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the replies, suggestions, and cautions. Will be careful with this blade and discard it if it doesn't behave itself. I was also under the impression that wobble only occurred in the larger blades. Leroy..never seen a doyle log scale...I don't think. Enlighten me. Nice job Kelley. The bluing looks great. Take care ya'll RickinMt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish > blade? > > >I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > >= = = = = = = > >Hi Rick, > > > >I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. > > > >If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The > >oil gave a nice dark finish. > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, I would now be a little scared of the newly sandblasted blade. > Take it to an old timer and see what he tells you about it. Hammering a > blade, I though, was for blades of 48 inch or larger, seems they want to > wobble when running and hammering the blade will stop this wobble. See > you can hammer right or left handed blades and you hammer at a given > speed of the blade. Also hammering was for blades with the removable > teeth. Now I might be wrong here as it has been over 23 years since I > last worked with the big blade and with the circular mill. My brother > has a band saw now and he cuts mostly telephone poles. If you think you > want to try this newly sandblasted blade then here is what I would try.... > Install blade keep everyone and everything away from the direct line of > the blade, sharpen the teeth and start cutting small, about 3 inch, > limbs. The wood will drag at first then will start cutting easier. > Cottonwood is good to saw cause it is full of sap, cools the blade, > after about 20 minutes shut down blade and feel it for heat, it should > have a little at the blade hub, if any at all. Have you ever set a saws > kerf? I still have one of the hand tools to do this with, also we would > SWEDGE the teeth on the big mill cause you could not set kerf.. And on > a chain saw you would file the rakes..... ever see a chain saw race? > they always use a wore out chain. We would oil the blade every so often > but not make a habit of it, if she was running hot she would get oil or > if it was to set for a long time ( hardly never happened) she would get > some oil on her. My sawyer could have been a rich man cause of some of > the ideas he had and did. We would work a woods with only a flat bed > truck and an old wc ac. No tracks, no lost young timber and easy to do. > Man those days where fun, for 3.00 per hour! > PS ever seen a doyle log scale? > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 07:20:32 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:20:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Kelley, I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? Dad always had what he called linseed oil around the house when we were growing up. Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had never heard of the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home with the linseed oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really don't quite know what to purchase. You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Great tip on browning compound. Had never heard of this either. Kelley Garcia wrote: >Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it looks >like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html >If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. >After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give it a >light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 08:50:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:35 -0400 Subject: OT [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show In-Reply-To: <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> References: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Message-ID: <4154424B.1030901@imc-group.com> Stan, Sorry you missed the show but good on you for exercising your objection to the cost of the electricity. The windfall profit being made is worth making an issue of. I've heard grumbling about these kinds of charges especially at the Arden show. I'm not a camper that needs electrical hookups (we are primitive in our horse trailer) but taking a look at the numbers reveals some pretty healthy profit. Typical household electric cost are 8 cents per kw-hr. In the peak of AC season we have a $100 electric bill for our home. That works out to 1250 kw-hrs for 30 days of usage or 42 kw-hrs per day. You were planning on camping for 2 or 3 days right? The $30 at a cost of 8 cents per kw-hr assumes you will use 375 kw-hrs! That's the equivalent of my peak household power consumption during AC season for 9 DAYS! This means they are making 3 to 4 times what the electricity is costing. There is no way you use that much power in a simple camper even running the small AC unit! Reg has been instrumental in forcing directors to look at and review costs that are out of line in Australia. You've started the process yourself at your local show. It would be good to follow your return trip home with a letter to the show organizers explaining your position. You might be surprised at the results and perhaps you and your fellow engine hobbyists will enjoy a less expensive show next year. Are there other shows that have electric costs that seem out of line? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Stan Holderman wrote: >Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, >drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people >there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set up >many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked >for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for >electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson >stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that >was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy >discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took our >canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has been >a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. >Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fred Armstrong" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM >Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > >>Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning >>for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at >> >> >a > > >>nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed >>not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. >>Fred Armstrong >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Fri Sep 24 08:47:20 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:47:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005201c4a24d$c713ed90$6401a8c0@john> Not dumb at all. You just buy it in the can that way, it's sold as "Boiled Linseed Oil". I'm sure you've heard all the cautions in regards to handling it (rags left with it on them will self ignite). John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 09:20:50 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:20:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil Message-ID: Curt, You buy the linseed oil already boiled right off the shelf. It says "Boiled Linseed Oil" right on the container. You don't need a large container as a little goes a long way. I think I bought a quart or so and haven't even made a dent in it. I put it on straight without mixing it. It takes about 24 hours to dry. Just use a rag, put it over the opening of the container, splash a little on the rag ane start wiping. Use sparingly. You'll see once you get started. Just don't lay it on really thick. The rags will burst into flames in you toss them in the corner of the garage so be careful what you do with the rags when your done applying the boiled linseed oil. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:20:32 -0400 > >Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had never heard of >the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home with the linseed >oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? >Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really >don't quite know what to purchase. >You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? >Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 09:30:37 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:30:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave Message-ID: Or if you rooting for the other candidate. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4103&item=3931816438 Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: Judge Tommy Turner > >Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of the >few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the SEL >discussion that pops up from time to time. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 24 09:58:19 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] linseed oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Curt, Just a couple of things to add to what Luke wrote. Look at the can carefully in the paint department. They'll have cans of Raw Linseed Oil and cans of Boiled Linseed Oil sitting side by side. The raw stuff takes something like six years to dry. Like Luke said, a THIN coat. Thin, thin, thin! You may also be thinking of another, less durable, treatment. Namely a 50-50 mix of kero and NON-detergent motor oil. It gives the same "look" as the boiled linseed oil, but has the disadvantages of collecting dust and needing to be re-applied from time to time. As to the linseed oil rags, you have three choices. Seal 'em in an air-tight metal container, hang 'em on the hedges until they are DRY, or run 'em through the laundry. That linseed oil generates a lot of heat as it drys. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > You buy the linseed oil already boiled right off the shelf. It says "Boiled > Linseed Oil" right on the container. You don't need a large container as a > little goes a long way. I think I bought a quart or so and haven't even made > a dent in it. I put it on straight without mixing it. It takes about 24 > hours to dry. Just use a rag, put it over the opening of the container, > splash a little on the rag ane start wiping. Use sparingly. You'll see once > you get started. Just don't lay it on really thick. The rags will burst > into flames in you toss them in the corner of the garage so be careful what > you do with the rags when your done applying the boiled linseed oil. > ====================== > > >Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had never heard of > >the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home with the linseed > >oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? > >Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really > >don't quite know what to purchase. > >You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? > >Curt Holland From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 24 10:16:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Arnie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Thanks, I'm on that like a duck on a June bug! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Or if you rooting for the other candidate. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4103&item=3931816438 From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 24 10:18:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - eBay item# 3932162514: ANTI BUSH CHENEY TWO BIGGER BOOBS PIN Message-ID: Hiya Folks, I've asked the seller if he has one of these with Kerry / Edwards photos. 8-)) See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To view this item, go to: http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=888801&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3932162514%26category%3D4103%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 10:52:41 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:52:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <005201c4a24d$c713ed90$6401a8c0@john> References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> <005201c4a24d$c713ed90$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <41545EE9.5000101@imc-group.com> John, Luke, Thanks for the info on boiled linseed oil. Is boiled thicker than regular linseed? What does it do differently? Seems like dad added the regular stuff to paint.... Curt John Cullom wrote: > Not dumb at all. You just buy it in the can that way, it's sold as > "Boiled Linseed Oil". I'm sure you've heard all the cautions in > regards to handling it (rags left with it on them will self ignite). > John > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 24 11:02:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:02:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > What really is "boiled" linseed oil? It's had something done to it that makes it dry quicker. Boiled on metal takes less than a week to dry, raw will take forever -- well over a week. The results are the same. Don't let anyone talk you into using raw. The results will be exactly the same, but you'll grow old waiting for the raw to dry. > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay > and we really don't quite know what to purchase. Have her put a dab behind each ear. The smell is delicious. Either raw or boiled would be suitable for this application. The added benefit is that she'd then be waterproof. > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? No. Dampen a rag with straight linseed oil, and wipe it on THINLY. You want it to be as thin as if you just wiped it off. If you put it on heavy, wipe it off. Don't use a lot. Apply sparingly. Put it on thick, and you'll be sorry. As thin as possible, ok? Get the picture? Don't dilute it. You want the linseed oil to dry to an impervious finish. If you want an oily finish, use oil. After the application, go away for the better part of a week. Linseed oil is good on bare or rusty metal, distressed original paint, exhaust pipes and fire boxes. Don't use it on shiny paint. On freshly machined surfaces, the color of the linseed oil might be visible. Properly applied, you'll have the "oily look" that doesn't attract dust or wash off with water. What's the condition of Missy's New Way, and what is the desired finished look? Rob P.S. Listen to John about the rags. I lay 'em out flat beside the garage, so if they spontaneously combust, they won't create a larger fire. Or you could roll them up and smoke 'em as you cruise around in that Hippy Love Bus of yours. From nick at holden1.net Fri Sep 24 11:18:56 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:18:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil References: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41546510.000001.03400@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Is raw linseed oil ok for wood as i have a Lister Kibiling Mill with some original paint and i want to protect the wood and paint from the rain Thanks Nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/24/04 19:04:05 To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil > What really is "boiled" linseed oil? It's had something done to it that makes it dry quicker. Boiled on metal takes less than a week to dry, raw will take forever -- well over a week. The results are the same. Don't let anyone talk you into using raw. The results will be exactly the same, but you'll grow old waiting for the raw to dry. > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay > and we really don't quite know what to purchase. Have her put a dab behind each ear. The smell is delicious. Either raw or boiled would be suitable for this application. The added benefit is that she'd then be waterproof. > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? No. Dampen a rag with straight linseed oil, and wipe it on THINLY. You want it to be as thin as if you just wiped it off. If you put it on heavy, wipe it off. Don't use a lot. Apply sparingly. Put it on thick, and you'll be sorry. As thin as possible, ok? Get the picture? Don't dilute it. You want the linseed oil to dry to an impervious finish. If you want an oily finish, use oil. After the application, go away for the better part of a week. Linseed oil is good on bare or rusty metal, distressed original paint, exhaust pipes and fire boxes. Don't use it on shiny paint. On freshly machined surfaces, the color of the linseed oil might be visible. Properly applied, you'll have the "oily look" that doesn't attract dust or wash off with water What's the condition of Missy's New Way, and what is the desired finished look? Rob P.S. Listen to John about the rags. I lay 'em out flat beside the garage, so if they spontaneously combust, they won't create a larger fire. Or you could roll them up and smoke 'em as you cruise around in that Hippy Love Bus of yours. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Sep 24 11:31:58 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:31:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] RE: OT - eBay item# 3932162514: ANTI BUSH CHENEY TWO BIGGER BOOBS PIN Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7022F7348@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Wanna see an auction? THIS is an auction. Hold onto your shirt tails, girls: http://redpowermagazine.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general_cat;action=d isplay;num=1095962346 or http://tinyurl.com/3p259 On a totally unrelated note, I was at a lumberyard yesterday to buy a couple of sticks. I am considering dismantling my house and selling off piece by piece. 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It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 11:24:17 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:24:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FW: Casting Filler Message-ID: >When I blasted the Huber I opened up several casting >voids that had been filled at the factory. I need to >fill these again but I'm not sure what to use. I need >something that will stand up to 300 degrees F. Any suggestions? > >===== >Andy Glines >Evansville, IN > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 24 12:10:55 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <41546510.000001.03400@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <200409241910.i8OJAwYI047995@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hi Is raw linseed oil ok for wood as i have a Lister > Kibiling Mill with some original paint and i want to protect > the wood and paint from the rain Hey Nick, Linseed oil is great on wood (linseed oil finish on gun stocks). Like the other comments for using it on metal, boiled linseed oil will dry faster. On wood, especially weathered wood, you can slop it on heavier and let it soak in. BUT, make sure you wipe it so it ends up a thin coat on the surface. Any degree of thickness will turn to a gummy mess that is hard to remove. If you check out the roller mill or orchard sprayer on our web page, both of those have been treated with linseed oil. The wood was originally light colored and crumbly. The linseed oil spiffied it right up. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Sep 24 12:19:07 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:19:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] FW: Casting Filler References: Message-ID: <001301c4a26b$5d26f0d0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Andy, maybe a little expensive, but JB-W will do the job for that temperature. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >When I blasted the Huber I opened up several casting >voids that had been filled at the factory. I need to >fill these again but I'm not sure what to use. I need >something that will stand up to 300 degrees F. Any suggestions? > >===== >Andy Glines >Evansville, IN > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 24 12:44:17 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:44:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41547911.8070006@scrtc.com> Rob, I sometimes thin the boiled linseed oil with mineral spirits. I've not noticed a great difference in the finished result other than the thinned will be a "lighter" coat. I also have mixed a little oil based paint with it at times to give it a tint. For example, if you have an original IHC Famous that has some original paint but quite a few bare spots, a teaspoon of oxblood red oil based paint in a pint of boiled linseed oil (thinned about 25% with mineral spirits) will make the bare spots much less visible. They then have a bit of a red tint to them and blend in better. Boiled linseed oil was used in a lot of oil based paint at the turn of the century (the 20th) to give it gloss. A heavy coat will have a glossy finish. This is another reason to make it as thin as possible. At times I've also used a Dupont Flattener to somewhat kill the gloss of the linseed oil. The best thing to do is experiment a little and be patient. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Rob Skinner wrote: >>What really is "boiled" linseed oil? > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 13:25:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:25:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <415482AE.4000407@imc-group.com> Rob Skinner wrote: > Have her put a dab behind each ear. The smell is delicious. I've heard of unusual olfactory fetishes but you've got one to top em all Rob! > >As thin as possible, ok? Get the picture? > > Got it! > > >What's the condition of Missy's New Way, and what is the desired finished look? > > > Hint of red on the flywheels, hint of green on the engine base, with several of the original flower details still there. Cooling fin are rusty iron looking. Would make a nice engine for the wet oiled/linseed treatment. >Rob >P.S. >Or you could roll them up and smoke 'em as you cruise around in that Hippy Love Bus of yours. > Still have the humongous bong found under the front seat of the bus that would hold a good dozen of these linseed soaked rags. Will invite all the neighbors for a toke! Curt From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Sep 24 14:50:23 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:50:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Send'em to Canada Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7022F7490@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>> Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers >>>Rex Rex, Ya keep repeatin' yerself.... Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 24 14:55:17 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:55:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil/now browning In-Reply-To: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I'd say the guys filled you in about linseed oil, both raw and boiled. As for browning, you can get the stuff at any good gun shop, as it is made by Birchwood Casey http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718. Or you can make up your own recipe if you like http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718 Or as some have said, you can just 'piss on it' (their terms, not mine!) Personally, I just couldn't bring myself to do something like that! Whichever way you go, have fun! -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 9/24/04 7:20 AM, "Curt" wrote: > Kelley, > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? Dad > always had what he called linseed oil around the house when we were > growing up. Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had > never heard of the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home > with the linseed oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really > don't quite know what to purchase. > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? > Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Great tip on browning compound. Had never heard of this either. > > Kelley Garcia wrote: > >> Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it looks >> like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html >> If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. >> After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give it a >> light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 24 15:10:33 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:10:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <8E3ADE27-0E76-11D9-9634-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? "Boiled Linseed Oil" is stuff that's sold under that name. There really are two kinds and no easy way to tell what you've got. One is basically raw linseed oil with Japan drier added to it to make it dry faster. The makers used to use lead and copper soaps or naphthenates, but in more recent years it has been usually the less toxic cobalt and manganese naphthenates. (Naphthenic acids are petroleum derivatives, kind of like fatty acids, but instead of straight chains they have saturated ring hydrocarbon structures attached to the carboxylic groups. So these salts are basically detergents, like soaps.) The metal ions promote free radical formation stimulating the oxidative polymerization of the oil. The same way metals from your babbitt bearings promote your engine oil sludging up with heat and oxygen. The other kind is simply raw linseed oil that's heated modestly, to about 150-200?C, and air is blown through it till it reaches a certain point of beginning oxidation without getting too thick and gummy for use. Since linseed oil's oxidation is self-catalyzing once started, this stuff dries much faster than raw linseed oil, which takes forever and a week. This "boiled linseed oil" is essentially the same as the "stand oil" used by artists for centuries, which is raw linseed oil left standing for months in a clear glass jar exposed to sunlight, with some air exposure. I recently did a search for MSDSs on boiled linseed oil and looked for any mention of metallic ingredients. My search wasn't exhaustive, but I looked at a bunch of them and couldn't find any. So I think most of the BLO on today's market is the preoxidized sort without metallic additives. That fits with my observation that it initially dries pretty quickly but stays in the gummy stage a lot longer than the leaded stuff used to. There is yet another product generically termed "polymerized linseed oil," sold under brand names like Tru-Oil and Lin-Speed. (Some of the "Danish Oils" fall into this category, too, while some of them are thin wiping varnishes.) It's been cooked at a higher temperature that directly breaks some of the double bonds in the fatty acids, which re-link with each other, forming polymers without the oxidation. These oils are very fast drying and dry to a hard, glossy shine like varnish. They're mostly sold in small quantities for gunstock finishing, but are NOT the stuff to use to get an old-fashioned oil finish on a stock. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri Sep 24 18:27:23 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:27:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <8E3ADE27-0E76-11D9-9634-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040924182657.00c27e98@mail.earthlink.net> Try this site for linseed oil information http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/inflin.shtm Bob Holtzer At 06:10 PM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? > >"Boiled Linseed Oil" is stuff that's sold under that name. There really >are two kinds and no easy way to tell what you've got. One is basically >raw linseed oil with Japan drier added to it to make it dry faster. The >makers used to use lead and copper soaps or naphthenates, but in more >recent years it has been usually the less toxic cobalt and manganese >naphthenates. (Naphthenic acids are petroleum derivatives, kind of like >fatty acids, but instead of straight chains they have saturated ring >hydrocarbon structures attached to the carboxylic groups. So these salts >are basically detergents, like soaps.) The metal ions promote free radical >formation stimulating the oxidative polymerization of the oil. The same >way metals from your babbitt bearings promote your engine oil sludging up >with heat and oxygen. > >The other kind is simply raw linseed oil that's heated modestly, to about >150-200?C, and air is blown through it till it reaches a certain point of >beginning oxidation without getting too thick and gummy for use. Since >linseed oil's oxidation is self-catalyzing once started, this stuff dries >much faster than raw linseed oil, which takes forever and a week. This >"boiled linseed oil" is essentially the same as the "stand oil" used by >artists for centuries, which is raw linseed oil left standing for months >in a clear glass jar exposed to sunlight, with some air exposure. > >I recently did a search for MSDSs on boiled linseed oil and looked for any >mention of metallic ingredients. My search wasn't exhaustive, but I looked >at a bunch of them and couldn't find any. So I think most of the BLO on >today's market is the preoxidized sort without metallic additives. That >fits with my observation that it initially dries pretty quickly but stays >in the gummy stage a lot longer than the leaded stuff used to. > >There is yet another product generically termed "polymerized linseed oil," >sold under brand names like Tru-Oil and Lin-Speed. (Some of the "Danish >Oils" fall into this category, too, while some of them are thin wiping >varnishes.) It's been cooked at a higher temperature that directly breaks >some of the double bonds in the fatty acids, which re-link with each >other, forming polymers without the oxidation. These oils are very fast >drying and dry to a hard, glossy shine like varnish. They're mostly sold >in small quantities for gunstock finishing, but are NOT the stuff to use >to get an old-fashioned oil finish on a stock. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 24 18:37:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:37:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Arnie References: Message-ID: <001501c4a2a0$2ebea690$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Arnie, If that's your bid I won't run you up. Hope he has more. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Engine Item for Arnie > Hi Luke, > > Thanks, I'm on that like a duck on a June bug! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> Or if you rooting for the other candidate. >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4103&item=3931816438 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 24 21:32:15 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:32:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration Message-ID: <001501c4a2b8$a3435e80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Since I am new to the SEL list, I'll bring the SEL folks up to speed, as those on Jim's list already know. The Maytag restoration I put online is quite popular, and I promised to do the same with the first Sattley. The project started tonight, and more on that later in this message. I am a professional mechanic/Gomer/automotive technician. I have rebuilt automobile engines including a custom turbo Corvette engine. Nail second gear and you damn well better know how to keep the Vette from swapping ends. Great big grin? YES!! I now rebuild transmissions full time, and the modern computer controlled automatics are pretty sophisticated yet I make them work. The Sattley intimidates me, and that is part of the reason I have did not start the project sooner. First look can seen at: http://frapa.us/SR.html We got one head bolt out tonight and I don't like removing broken bolts. First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? I have no doubt there will be many more questions as this project continues, but I will document it and put it on my (Jim's space) website. I do believe I have an education coming, and hope to share it with others that are new to our hobby. Could I sell this information on E-bay? Perhaps I could. Won't do it though. Prefer to offer it for free to all that can use it. Call me a fool if you will, but I prefer to share what knowledge I have for free to my engine buddies. More online as the project moves forward. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 25 06:44:40 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:44:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <002d01c494cb$4f697600$ada226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000c01c4a305$ce4a8250$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Thanks John, what a great pic .....I reckon i will go for yellow with red lettering . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > > Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg > > John Hammink > > > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > > > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > > > Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Have a look at http://www.robert-brandy.de/petrolania/petrol04.jpg Dave Croft Warrington From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 08:12:16 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:12:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil/now browning References: Message-ID: The original Browning Gun, eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelley Garcia" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil/now browning > Hi Curt, > I'd say the guys filled you in about linseed oil, both raw and boiled. As > for browning, you can get the stuff at any good gun shop, as it is made by > Birchwood Casey http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718. > Or you can make up your own recipe if you like > http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718 > Or as some have said, you can just 'piss on it' (their terms, not mine!) > Personally, I just couldn't bring myself to do something like that! > > Whichever way you go, have fun! > -- > Kelley Garcia > La Habra, Ka. > USA > > > > On 9/24/04 7:20 AM, "Curt" wrote: > > > Kelley, > > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? Dad > > always had what he called linseed oil around the house when we were > > growing up. Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had > > never heard of the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home > > with the linseed oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? > > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really > > don't quite know what to purchase. > > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? > > Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. Great tip on browning compound. Had never heard of this either. > > > > Kelley Garcia wrote: > > > >> Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it > >> looks > >> like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html > >> If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. > >> After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give > >> it a > >> light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Sep 25 08:34:42 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:34:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration Message-ID: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> In a message dated 9/25/2004 12:27:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? >> Jeff, You will find that there are as many opinions to the best penetrant as there are brands out there. I like Gibbs, and PB blaster. But the best one is the flame wrench!!! Heat/cooling works wonders! Mr. Maytag looks like he has his act together1 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 25 09:24:26 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration In-Reply-To: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> References: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> Message-ID: And worst case? You can use the torch to burn the broken stud stub out of the threaded hole in the cast iron without damaging the threads. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > transteck at earthlink.net writes: > << First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? >> > > You will find that there are as many opinions to the best penetrant as there > are brands out there. I like Gibbs, and PB blaster. But the best one is the > flame wrench!!! Heat/cooling works wonders! > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 09:04:36 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:04:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension Message-ID: Howdy again; I don't know if I can do it, but I'd like to be able to disengage the belt tensioner on the saw outfit and have the blade stop. The pulley's are 24" and 6" in diameter. This makes the belt circumference 176" If I make the belt as long as possible so that when the tensioner is disengaged, and I have the most slop availabe, do ya'll think the belt will slip and the blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 25 09:35:57 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:35:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think it will stop without applying some sort of brake. FYI, "the ultimate belt tension" is what I experience after going to Chaco's for lunch after church. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 09:43:06 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:43:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration References: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> Message-ID: Roger that Arnie..had to burn one out on the Galloway. Penetrant....I like electrolysis also. Use whatever I see on sale..PB for now. Corky's using some Kroil..not sure but we may be impressed. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sattley resoration > And worst case? You can use the torch to burn the broken stud stub out of > the threaded hole in the cast iron without damaging the threads. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > > transteck at earthlink.net writes: > > << First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? >> > > > > You will find that there are as many opinions to the best penetrant as > > there > > are brands out there. I like Gibbs, and PB blaster. But the best one > > is the > > flame wrench!!! Heat/cooling works wonders! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 10:05:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension References: Message-ID: Recommend ya just bite the bullett and go with 'spenders, Doc. and while you're at it, cut the top button off the britches. Sad but true Guarateed you'll feel better. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension > I don't think it will stop without applying some sort of brake. > > FYI, "the ultimate belt tension" is what I experience after going to > Chaco's for lunch after church. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 10:26:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:26:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC low tension mag "M" 1.5hp Message-ID: Well not only is the gear on the "M" mag shot it is pretty much stuck also. Will we find swollen pot metal inside like on the JD mag? This is the "L" model. What is the correct fix? Thanks gang RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 25 10:40:15 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, I think all you'll achieve is a lot of belt flop and still have a saw blade driving well enough to remove an arm. Spring the bucks for a clutch pulley for the engine. After looking for ~6 years, I finally found one at Portland for my Light Six Sandwich buzz saw rig. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > I don't know if I can do it, but I'd like to be able to disengage the belt > tensioner on the saw outfit and have the blade stop. The pulley's are 24" > and 6" in diameter. This makes the belt circumference 176" If I make the > belt as long as possible so that when the tensioner is disengaged, and I > have the most slop availabe, do ya'll think the belt will slip and the > blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Sep 25 10:52:11 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:52:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <1a5.28d672dd.2e870a4b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/2004 9:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << > Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering a > saw blade? > B? >> Log cutting circular saw blades can wobble while at cutting speed. This is usually from over heating/hitting some metal in the log/etc. They need to run straight and true to cut properly. Hammering is done by laying the blade down on something and taking a hammer and beating the saw at particular locations to make it run true. The old folks used to lay it on a flat stump or section of log. The hammering puts some stress in the metal which in turn takes out the wobble. Think about hammering a small piece of metal on one side down its length. The more you hammer, the more the metal will start bowing. Also, the blade is slightly dished toward the side of the cut, i.e., the side of the log from which the board is being cut. This dish side also depends on whether you have a right hand or left hand cutting saw mill. Many a person has purchased a used saw blade and found it to be not suitable for their mill, because the blade was dished for a different hand cut mill. To my limited knowledge, hammering of saw blades if for filed tooth or insert tooth blades. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 14:41:45 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:41:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 30-60 Russell, over $1/4 mil References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7022F734C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <002801c4a285$80fe0e20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Unbelievable auction: > http://tinyurl.com/3p259 yeah , thats the word for it . Koresh's Camaro is on the block this weekend in Fredericksburg Dont miss that one From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 25 16:12:00 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:12:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><002d01c494cb$4f697600$ada226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <000c01c4a305$ce4a8250$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <000a01c4a355$13c32400$8aa226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Dave , red and yellow is the colour it seems . My container ,quite common i believe has the SHELL lettering running vertically on the narrowest of the two sides ,the letters are ,whats the word,not embossed but ''Indented ''into the metal. BTW, were you able to see Tim Maicaire 's TRUSTY running at Astle.........looks beautiful . Ours is progressing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > > > > Thanks John, what a great pic .....I reckon i will go for yellow with red > lettering . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hammink" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > > > Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg > > > John Hammink > > > > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > > > > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > > > > Peter Ogborne > > Hi Peter, Have a look at http://www.robert-brandy.de/petrolania/petrol04.jpg > Dave Croft > Warrington > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Sep 26 06:51:42 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:51:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension References: Message-ID: Yea, that would be the ultimate Arn. I'll just go with the original for now. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension > Hi Rick, > > I think all you'll achieve is a lot of belt flop and still have a saw > blade driving well enough to remove an arm. > > Spring the bucks for a clutch pulley for the engine. > > After looking for ~6 years, I finally found one at Portland for my Light > Six Sandwich buzz saw rig. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > I don't know if I can do it, but I'd like to be able to disengage the > > belt > > tensioner on the saw outfit and have the blade stop. The pulley's are > > 24" > > and 6" in diameter. This makes the belt circumference 176" If I make > > the > > belt as long as possible so that when the tensioner is disengaged, and I > > have the most slop availabe, do ya'll think the belt will slip and the > > blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sun Sep 26 07:15:36 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:15:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Message-ID: <4156CF08.000003.03160@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi can anyone tell me the timing for a 1 1/2 HP headless as the book i have says Exhaust opens at 20 degrees before outer dead Centre and closes 5 degrees after inner dead Centre and the igniter snaps at 20 degrees before inner dead Centre but the two cannot seam to work unless the trip arm on this engine is to long Thanks Nick From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 26 07:44:45 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:44:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Message-ID: <9f.4e0383b5.2e882fdd@aol.com> Nick, The numbers sound about right for all three. Will it work if the firing is somewhat closer to TDC like 10 degrees before. How about the crank gear/cam gear meshing. Has the engine been torn down and the gears meshed at the wrong teeth? If the three cannot be set now, it sounds like the gears are not set properly throwing off the timing. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 26 08:21:47 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:21:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse In-Reply-To: <4156CF08.000003.03160@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <200409261521.i8QFLnYI054132@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hi can anyone tell me the timing for a 1 1/2 HP headless > as the book i have > says Exhaust opens at 20 degrees before outer dead Centre and > closes 5 degrees after inner dead Centre and the igniter > snaps at 20 degrees before inner dead Centre but the two > cannot seam to work > unless the trip arm on this engine is to long > Thanks Nick Hi Nick, There IS the possibility that some prankster has surreptitiously switched your pushrod while you were sleeping ;-) I'll bet that your engine just needs a little bit of adjustment. First off, forget about the ignition timing. That's the last step. Since you seem to know about measuring the position of the crankshaft, we won't talk about that, either. The problem is probably going to be finding the correct meshing of the crank/cam gears and the correct valve lash adjustment. If you've meshed the gears according to the marks, that's a fine place to start. Don't bet your life on those marks being correct. Now rotate the crankshaft through all the cycles, noting when the exhaust valve opens and closes. Let's say it's opening at 30 degrees before the ODC, and closing at 5 degress before TDC. We can see that BOTH valve events are occurring 10 degrees early. That tells us that the cam is ADVANCED from where we want it to be. Do whatever it takes to unmesh the gears, and then advance the crankshaft a bit, or retard the camshaft a bit. Then re-test to see where things happen. It's easy to goof up when you're playing with the gears. Now lets say that we rotated the crankshaft and watched the valve and saw something a little different. Lets say that the exhaust valve is opening at 10 degrees before ODC and is closing 5 degrees before TDC. We are seeing that it's opening late and closing early. In an instance such as this, we can DECREASE the valve lash. The valve will open earlier, and close later. Play with these two variables until you get the valve opening and closing where you want it. Also, don't get hung up on the 20 and 5 that are in the manual. For opening, anywhere from 30 to 0 will be acceptable. Bigger numbers are better for faster running engines, smaller numbers are better for slower running engines. Now that you've got the valve timing exactly where you want it, move on to the ignition timing, but don't touch the two variables that you've just set. You'll have her dialed in in no time. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 26 09:12:01 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:12:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <20040926.122310.596.4.jlb94@juno.com> The old folks used to lay it on a flat stump or section of log. The hammering puts some stress in the metal which in turn takes out the wobble. = = = = = = = I had a brother in the Body Shop Business that could shrink & expand body metal with a hammer & dolly block. I always thought that was - like - magic. As a matter of fact - I still do. I think, If I started beating on a saw blade - - - It's next life would be as a piece of decor on the wall. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 26 08:51:13 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:51:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension Message-ID: <20040926.122310.596.3.jlb94@juno.com> do ya'll think the belt will slip and the blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. = = = Hi Rick, Nope - The blade won't stop. Understand that belts "pull". The tensioner stops the belt from slipping and gives more pulling power - but - relieving the tensioner will not stop the blade. It will release some power from the belt but not all. Unless - You jamb a log into the blade to hold it and make the belt slip. Thanks for the opp. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 26 11:50:51 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:50:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <1d1.2b9b6d93.2e88698b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/26/04 12:46:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << I think, If I started beating on a saw blade - - - It's next life would be as a piece of decor on the wall. >> I am not sure I could do that good!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 26 13:28:09 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:28:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bamford 6HP throttle governed Message-ID: <005001c4a407$57802a00$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: Bamford 6HP throttle governed > I remember someone wanting pictures of this but I have > lost all details in a computer crash. > At Widnes show today I managed to get a couple of pictures. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/192199050weFAes > I hope these help. > Dave Croft From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 26 13:41:50 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:41:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bamford 6HP throttle governed In-Reply-To: <005001c4a407$57802a00$6b856ad5@no1> References: <005001c4a407$57802a00$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:28:09 +0100, you wrote: >> I remember someone wanting pictures of this but I have >> lost all details in a computer crash. >> At Widnes show today I managed to get a couple of pictures. >> See http://community.webshots.com/album/192199050weFAes >> I hope these help. >> Dave Croft It was George Best if my memory serves me correctly, Dave. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paul at semidiesel.com Sun Sep 26 16:16:39 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:16:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Guys, Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around the world and we hope we have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive this lengthy email. The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large number of visitors from all over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant applications that should hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines installed. However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause some fundamental changes to what we are trying to achieve. We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this will generate some extra funds over the next week or so. One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not taken seriously by the "powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it show the worldwide support we hope we have. Thanks Paul & Hazel Evans http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Sep 26 17:00:29 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:00:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: Message-ID: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video tape tour would sell over here. Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Hi Guys, > Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around the world and we hope we > have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive this lengthy email. > > The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large number of visitors from all > over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant applications that should > hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines installed. > > However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause some fundamental changes > to what we are trying to achieve. > > We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at > http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this will generate some extra > funds over the next week or so. > > One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not taken seriously by the > "powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it show the worldwide > support we hope we have. > > Thanks > Paul & Hazel Evans > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 26 17:47:38 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:47:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley update!! Message-ID: <000a01c4a42b$9737c4e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, This should have been online and linked to with my message from a couple days ago. It wasn't and I apologize. I updated it today, and it is now online at: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/SattleyRestore/SattleyRestore.html Any comments, suggestions, and advice will be welcome throughout this project. Thanks to all that did respond, especially Jim for removing the brain dead in me. Yes Jim tapping on stuck bolts does often help loosen them. Duh! Thanks cause it worked. Watch the progress or wait till it's done. It's up to you. It will be a while before it's done. Putting it online takes a lot more time than the actual work. Time for me to kick back and poke around on e-bay. Nuff for now. Last thought. Next two weekends have shows for me. If you are in the Denver area please join us. Info on my club site below, or contact me off list. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 26 17:51:46 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:51:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Message-ID: <001101c4a42c$2aaa32d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, I will agree with Roger on this. I would love a video tour and pay for it. Don't think I'll ever make it over there either. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > tape > tour would sell over here. > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont > Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor > scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast > Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 > 510-226-9785 voice mail line > Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly > web site. scrapologist.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Evans" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:16 PM > Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > >> Hi Guys, >> Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around > the world and we hope we >> have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive > this lengthy email. >> >> The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large > number of visitors from all >> over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant > applications that should >> hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines > installed. >> >> However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could >> cause > some fundamental changes >> to what we are trying to achieve. >> >> We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at >> http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that >> this > will generate some extra >> funds over the next week or so. >> >> One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not > taken seriously by the >> "powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use >> it > show the worldwide >> support we hope we have. >> >> Thanks >> Paul & Hazel Evans >> >> http://www.internalfire.com >> Internal Fire, Museum of Power >> Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales >> Tel: 01239 811212 >> >> Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Sep 26 17:58:30 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:58:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse References: <4156CF08.000003.03160@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <004b01c4a42d$1c2225a0$ec6f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi Nick.The settings you have quoted are right and my engine does this exactly.There are two types of ign trips for these engines .one has a adjustable end for ign timing and the other you have to shorten or lengthen by grinding to length or welding a little on then grinding to length.The repo from Hit and Miss are the non adjustable type. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:15 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sun Sep 26 18:58:31 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:58:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines In-Reply-To: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <415773C7.1080309@zoominternet.net> Sorry I'm late in my reply but....SWEET TRUCK!!!! You folks get all the luck, diesels everywhere, whereas we Americans need to scratch and claw to find anything diesel, except VW's, and 3/4 to 1 ton pickups. Ed Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought myself a new >tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old engines. >The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased with it >after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier engines. >Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG > >P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Sun Sep 26 19:33:25 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:33:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> Engine and Tractor Folks: I have been asked, by one of your members, to donate some of this summer's auction proceeds to Paul Evan's Internal Fire Museum( http://www.internalfire.com ). If we are inclined to give this year as well, it sounds(their message to the engine list is below) as if they could use the money now. I need all of you to tell me if you agree, and if so how much. Time to vote. PLEASE email me directly! - yostsw at atis.net Let me know if you want to send some money to them now. For a reference point, we sent them 10% ($400USD) of last years money and I would expect 10% of the total monies available for donation will again be about $400 - $450. Feel free to include any other thoughts or suggestions in the message, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/27/2004 at 12:16 AM Paul Evans wrote: >Hi Guys, >Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around >the world and we hope we >have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive >this lengthy email. > >The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large >number of visitors from all >over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant >applications that should >hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines >installed. > >However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause >some fundamental changes >to what we are trying to achieve. > >We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at >http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this >will generate some extra >funds over the next week or so. > >One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not >taken seriously by the >"powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it >show the worldwide >support we hope we have. > >Thanks >Paul & Hazel Evans > >http://www.internalfire.com >Internal Fire, Museum of Power >Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales >Tel: 01239 811212 > >Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 26 16:21:40 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:21:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol Cans Message-ID: <002501c4a41f$93fb2df0$6b856ad5@no1> I was at Widnes Show today & spotted a restored can. For Peter Ogborne's benefit I took a couple of shots. See http://community.webshots.com/album/192199050weFAes Regards, Dave Croft -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 27 00:35:25 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:35:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair Message-ID: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. Here you go: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 01:00:54 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions In-Reply-To: <01b501c49aa4$251e8e10$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <20040927080054.83102.qmail@web20226.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, It has been over two weeks since I asked the questions about 10-20 Titans, and I am late in replying to thank everyone for the information. I have been away from the computer due to an illness in the family and am finally getting caught up. Thanks to all of you for the info, particularly to Dave Ernst. I seem to recall hearing old guys talking about Titan crankshafts years ago, and maybe I have a little better idea what to look for now. I stopped in to see the guy with the one I had in mind. Neither of us had a lot of time that day, but we had a good visit and he has invited me back to see it run. He then said he would help me pull the cover off the crankcase to look inside. He said his Dad spent a bunch of money on it about 30 years ago, got the shaft ground and had the bearing shells re-lined. They also have a couple of spare K-W mags for it and they have the plowing guide, which is really cool. The tractor has one dent in the water tank, which is Ok since I want to actually use the tractor and beat the crap out of it once in a while. It turns out that he knows a lot of the same folks I know, and his Dad once owned several engines that I own now. Moral of the story is that it really is a small world! Actually, the story is much more involved than that, but I will wait on the details until after I get it bought. I about crapped when I heard where it came from. He says it starts easy and runs good, and that we can get together later this fall and play with it for a day. He needs to sell the tractor for his mother, he has a 10-20 Mogul of his own, so he just doesn't want the Titan. If I had a Mogul, I would still want a Titan, they are both pretty darned neat. The most delightful part of the whole thing is the way that "She Who Must Be Obeyed" feels about it. When I got the bug, I said "Honey, what would you think of getting an old tractor?" She thought I meant Oil Pull and immediately thought of my buddy Paulie's stinky F, which belches smoke and throws oil in every direction. I think it is neat, but for me the oil and carbon speckles (a.k.a "Rumely Freckles") are a sign I had a lot of fun, but not for her. I showed her photos of a Titan with my Dad on it when he was 5 years old, and she really liked that. Now that she has seen one in person and got to drive one at a show a week ago, she wants one as bad as I do. I offered to get her a tractor of her own, thinking maybe a Massey Pony or a Farmall Cub would be cute but she says that an 8-16 Avery like Don Blausey's would be really nice. I can't figure it out, if she has such good taste, how did she wind up with me? ;-) She has been teasing me about being a FATG, she made a comment about it in front of some of my buddies and then walked behind me and says "Well, looks like all you need to do is get the tractor, the rest seems to be well under way!". You can imagine how much fun my supposed friends had with that. Again, thanks for the info everyone, and I will post pictures when and if the deal is struck. Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 01:07:12 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <20040927080712.63939.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent photos Rob. There are a couple of things I noticed, one was that having a pitcher pump set up for the little axe murderers to play with is a really good idea, and the second is that you have also noticed Reg's fascination with fat chicks, viz: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/geodes4arnie.jpg This is disturbing. Reg, can you explain? Joe --- Rob Skinner wrote: > > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 27 01:12:13 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:12:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000601c4a469$b1fe2240$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ Hi Rob, A very well set out set of pictures with amusing titles. Nice to see Engines aren't your only interest. 8^) I hope the Aussie club commitees don't get any ideas about your attractive fencing. They would probably make it 4 bales high. Dave Croft PS That is the only brown Ruston PB I have ever seen! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 27 02:41:51 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:41:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <20040927080712.63939.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d101c4a476$3b609ca0$5a0d1bd3@athlon> Dont push it kid!! You almost made the 'chubby' file too!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > Excellent photos Rob. There are a couple of things I noticed, one was that > having a pitcher pump set up for the little axe murderers to play with is > a really good idea, and the second is that you have also noticed Reg's > fascination with fat chicks, viz: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/geodes4arnie.jpg > This is disturbing. Reg, can you explain? > Joe From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 27 04:07:22 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:07:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power Message-ID: <092720041107.8271.12e7@mchsi.com> Hi Spencer, A few of us were discussing the proceeds made at the Portland auction and feel that maybe we should consider giving them to one of the many Portland groups/clubs. After all if it wasn't for the Portland show we wouldn't exist. My vote is that we consider the money stay in Portland area. Curt Andree > Engine and Tractor Folks: > > I have been asked, by one of your members, to donate some of this summer's > auction proceeds to Paul Evan's Internal Fire Museum( > http://www.internalfire.com ). If we are inclined to give this year as > well, it sounds(their message to the engine list is below) as if they > could use the money now. I need all of you to tell me if you agree, and if > so how much. > > Time to vote. PLEASE email me directly! - yostsw at atis.net Let me know if > you want to send some money to them now. For a reference point, we sent > them 10% ($400USD) of last years money and I would expect 10% of the total > monies available for donation will again be about $400 - $450. > > Feel free to include any other thoughts or suggestions in the message, > > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 9/27/2004 at 12:16 AM Paul Evans wrote: > > >Hi Guys, > >Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around > >the world and we hope we > >have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive > >this lengthy email. > > > >The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large > >number of visitors from all > >over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant > >applications that should > >hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines > >installed. > > > >However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause > >some fundamental changes > >to what we are trying to achieve. > > > >We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at > >http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this > >will generate some extra > >funds over the next week or so. > > > >One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not > >taken seriously by the > >"powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it > >show the worldwide > >support we hope we have. > > > >Thanks > >Paul & Hazel Evans > > > >http://www.internalfire.com > >Internal Fire, Museum of Power > >Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > >Tel: 01239 811212 > > > >Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 05:21:05 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <00d101c4a476$3b609ca0$5a0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <20040927122105.5344.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> If I avoided it at all, it was an act of kindness on your part and not a lack of qualification on mine! Gosh, don't get so touchy. As a wise old bird once told me "You can drink her pretty, but you can't drink her thin!". Got an email addy for the guy with the 1 1/4 monitor pumper castings? How bad was it to build? Those fine gears on the pump look like an exercise in frustration. He comes to Baraboo but I never get to see him. Joe --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Dont push it kid!! You almost made the 'chubby' file too!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From yostsw at atis.net Mon Sep 27 05:45:48 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200409270845480156.0D8FEF4E@heavyiron.atis.net> >Engine and Tractor Folks: > >I have been asked, by one of your members, to donate some of this summer's >auction proceeds to Paul Evan's Internal Fire Museum( >http://www.internalfire.com ). If we are inclined to give this year as Just wanted to clarify something. The person recommending that we donate was NOT Paul Evans himself. My bad for not making that clearer. Still have not heard one single NAY, though I have heard some other suggestions such as the Portland Show(Be sure you suggest the Portland show this winter when we combine funds with the winter charity auction). I will donate $400 at the end of the day to Internal Fire unless a goodly number some votes to the contrary come up before 5:00pm EDST. Thanks for all the feedback and now back to your regularly scheduled discussions.... Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Sep 27 06:44:11 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:44:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <200409270845480156.0D8FEF4E@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200409270845480156.0D8FEF4E@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:48 -0400, you wrote: >Just wanted to clarify something. The person recommending that we donate >was NOT Paul Evans himself. My bad for not making that clearer. > >Still have not heard one single NAY, though I have heard some other >suggestions such as the Portland Show(Be sure you suggest the Portland show >this winter when we combine funds with the winter charity auction). I will >donate $400 at the end of the day to Internal Fire unless a goodly number >some votes to the contrary come up before 5:00pm EDST. > >Thanks for all the feedback and now back to your regularly scheduled >discussions.... > >Spencer Yost I'd like to put a small comment in here; Although we are from the UK and Paul Evan's museum is also in the UK, it is something that we all need to address in our charity contributions, not on a country by country basis but as a wider effort to support anything that is worthwhile AND engine-related. When we come over to the USA, we support the Friends of The USAF Museum for example, but not our own 'local' UK-based Duxford Air Museum. We also have had involvement in the ATIS Charity Auctions at Xmas and feel that these are all things that should continue. I personally don't think that we should limit our contribution to just the USA, we should be looking further afield to other countries where there are suitable sites to invest a small amount in. We are an international group, we should think internationally. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From appraisals at gbis.com Mon Sep 27 07:39:49 2004 From: appraisals at gbis.com (Joyce Newman) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:39:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sun 1120 Engine Analyzer Message-ID: <001101c4a49f$d86576a0$ab30e4cf@Pnas> Hello, I do estate sales for a living and have one now that has a Sun 1120 Engine Analyzer in pretty good condition. It needs to be cleaned up a bit, but otherwise it's pretty good. If anyone out there is interested, please let me know. It's located just south of Carson City Nevada. Thank you, Joyce Joyce Newman, ISA Accredited Member International Society of Appraisers NEWMAN APPRAISAL SERVICES (775) 771-0464 From mgomaize at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 08:38:11 2004 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Los Angeles County Fair Message-ID: <20040927153811.74021.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Where were these??? My wife and I flew out to LA from Michigan last weekend, partly to visit her brother, partly because we had to go somewhere because our passes were expiring, and partly because they had an Angora goat competition at the fair. We got there way too early last Friday (17th) and had to wait two hours, then went in and the goat show was over (the only reason we drove out from Venice)!!! Seems they do most of the competitions before the fair opens, kind of odd for us in the midwest. I looked on the program for anything old iron related, and saw the antique tractor exhibit so we walked over there and saw the 5 or 10 tractors and high-tailed it back to LA without looking around anymore (something about the 11,000 kids that were there from the schools didn't look too inviting). Now I am really bummed we left so quick. Pictures looked great! Thanks, Tony ===== ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 10:55:55 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:55:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: Good luck Joe. I hope it works out for you. Engines are great and tractors are alot of fun too. I just picked up a John Deere GP on full steel last weekend and cranked it up for the first time this weekend. Had a great time with it until the radiator starting leaking. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:00:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, >It has been over two weeks since I asked the questions about 10-20 Titans, >and I am late in replying to thank everyone for the information. I have >been away from the computer due to an illness in the family and am finally >getting caught up. >Thanks to all of you for the info, particularly to Dave Ernst. I seem to >recall hearing old guys talking about Titan crankshafts years ago, and >maybe I have a little better idea what to look for now. >I stopped in to see the guy with the one I had in mind. Neither of us had >a lot of time that day, but we had a good visit and he has invited me back >to see it run. He then said he would help me pull the cover off the >crankcase to look inside. He said his Dad spent a bunch of money on it >about 30 years ago, got the shaft ground and had the bearing shells >re-lined. They also have a couple of spare K-W mags for it and they have >the plowing guide, which is really cool. The tractor has one dent in the >water tank, which is Ok since I want to actually use the tractor and beat >the crap out of it once in a while. It turns out that he knows a lot of >the same folks I know, and his Dad once owned several engines that I own >now. Moral of the story is that it really is a small world! Actually, the >story is much more involved than that, but I will wait on the details >until after I get it bought. I about crapped when I heard where it came >from. He says it starts easy and runs good, and that we can get together >later this fall and play with it for a day. He needs to sell the tractor >for his mother, he has a 10-20 Mogul of his own, so he just doesn't want >the Titan. If I had a Mogul, I would still want a Titan, they are both >pretty darned neat. >The most delightful part of the whole thing is the way that "She Who Must >Be Obeyed" feels about it. When I got the bug, I said "Honey, what would >you think of getting an old tractor?" She thought I meant Oil Pull and >immediately thought of my buddy Paulie's stinky F, which belches smoke and >throws oil in every direction. I think it is neat, but for me the oil and >carbon speckles (a.k.a "Rumely Freckles") are a sign I had a lot of fun, >but not for her. I showed her photos of a Titan with my Dad on it when he >was 5 years old, and she really liked that. Now that she has seen one in >person and got to drive one at a show a week ago, she wants one as bad as >I do. I offered to get her a tractor of her own, thinking maybe a Massey >Pony or a Farmall Cub would be cute but she says that an 8-16 Avery like >Don Blausey's would be really nice. I can't figure it out, if she has such >good taste, how did she wind up with me? ;-) She has been teasing me about >being a FATG, she made a comment about it in front of some of my buddies >and then walked behind me and says "Well, looks like all you need to do is >get the tractor, the rest seems to be well under way!". You can imagine >how much fun my supposed friends had with that. >Again, thanks for the info everyone, and I will post pictures when and if >the deal is struck. >Joe > >===== >Joe Prindle >Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI >www.badgersteamandgas.com >Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show >August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 >***************** >"Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" >Old Irish Proverb >****************** > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From b2 at chooka.net Mon Sep 27 11:36:39 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:36:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering References: <1a5.28d672dd.2e870a4b@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c4a4c0$ed7db090$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Thanks, Tom. I'm uncertain whether you or Dave helped the most. My technique did improve a lot after Dave's advise to strike the saw with the hammer, rather than the other way around. Although I was making good progress, the neighbors were complaining about noise. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering > In a message dated 9/23/2004 9:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << > Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering > a > > saw blade? > > B? >> > > Log cutting circular saw blades can wobble while at cutting speed. This is > usually from over heating/hitting some metal in the log/etc. They need to run > straight and true to cut properly. Hammering is done by laying the blade down > on something and taking a hammer and beating the saw at particular locations > to make it run true. The old folks used to lay it on a flat stump or section > of log. The hammering puts some stress in the metal which in turn takes out > the wobble. Think about hammering a small piece of metal on one side down its > length. The more you hammer, the more the metal will start bowing. Also, the > blade is slightly dished toward the side of the cut, i.e., the side of the log > from which the board is being cut. This dish side also depends on whether > you have a right hand or left hand cutting saw mill. Many a person has > purchased a used saw blade and found it to be not suitable for their mill, because the > blade was dished for a different hand cut mill. To my limited knowledge, > hammering of saw blades if for filed tooth or insert tooth blades. > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 13:11:01 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:11:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Arden show Electric costs Message-ID: Hi Curt, I know people grumble about the cost of electric hook up at our show, but our club leases the fairground from the State of N.C. and they set the rates for electric hook up not us. All we can do is grumble or look for a new place to have the show, and its pretty difficult to find that much flat space here in the mountains. BTW our show dates this year are October 20-24 this year. Hope to see ya there. Steve Royster >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: OT [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:35 -0400 > >Stan, >Sorry you missed the show but good on you for exercising your objection to >the cost of the electricity. The windfall profit being made is worth making >an issue of. I've heard grumbling about these kinds of charges especially >at the Arden show. I'm not a camper that needs electrical hookups (we are >primitive in our horse trailer) but taking a look at the numbers reveals >some pretty healthy profit. Typical household electric cost are 8 cents per >kw-hr. In the peak of AC season we have a $100 electric bill for our home. >That works out to 1250 kw-hrs for 30 days of usage or 42 kw-hrs per day. >You were planning on camping for 2 or 3 days right? The $30 at a cost of 8 >cents per kw-hr assumes you will use 375 kw-hrs! That's the equivalent of >my peak household power consumption during AC season for 9 DAYS! This means >they are making 3 to 4 times what the electricity is costing. There is no >way you use that much power in a simple camper even running the small AC >unit! >Reg has been instrumental in forcing directors to look at and review costs >that are out of line in Australia. >You've started the process yourself at your local show. It would be good to >follow your return trip home with a letter to the show organizers >explaining your position. You might be surprised at the results and perhaps >you and your fellow engine hobbyists will enjoy a less expensive show next >year. >Are there other shows that have electric costs that seem out of line? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > >Stan Holderman wrote: > >>Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, >>drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people >>there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set >>up >>many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked >>for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for >>electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson >>stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that >>was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy >>discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took >>our >>canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has >>been >>a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. >>Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Armstrong" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >> >> >> >> >>>Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the >>>morning >>>for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. >>>Guaranteed >>>not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. >>>Fred Armstrong >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Sep 27 14:08:18 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:08:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <1d6.2bca51bb.2e89db42@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/04 2:38:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, b2 at chooka.net writes: << I'm uncertain whether you or Dave helped the most. >> B2 Dave's technique was much simpler! Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 27 14:16:33 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:16:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <20040927122105.5344.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c4a4d7$478a8200$620d1bd3@athlon> I Aint touchy, Ya silly bugger! The model came with the gears cut and apart from having to be real careful on your measuring, I enjoyed making em. I might even make a few more later. If you do get a set, remember that Dick Daoust is a great bloke and will do all he can to help you. You have met him at Baraboo the other year. He was with me and set up in the model room. More later. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > If I avoided it at all, it was an act of kindness on your part and not a > lack of qualification on mine! Gosh, don't get so touchy. > As a wise old bird once told me "You can drink her pretty, but you can't > drink her thin!". > Got an email addy for the guy with the 1 1/4 monitor pumper castings? How > bad was it to build? Those fine gears on the pump look like an exercise in > frustration. He comes to Baraboo but I never get to see him. > Joe > --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > Dont push it kid!! You almost made the 'chubby' file too!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI > www.badgersteamandgas.com > Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show > August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 > ***************** > "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" > Old Irish Proverb > ****************** > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Sep 27 15:27:15 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:27:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Message-ID: We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed Sulzer blast injection single cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this is one of the engines we had hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -----Original Message----- From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video tape tour would sell over here. Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 27 15:47:33 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:47:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <38383D92-10D7-11D9-BB64-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Cool pics, Rob! Looks like a fun show! John On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:35 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 27 16:06:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! In-Reply-To: References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a MILD heart attack. He went to work on Saturday--but came home and told Nancy to get him to the hospital. He spent that day and Sunday night in the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie had two stints put in today and is resting fine. He goes home tomorrow morning. I'm sure that Arnie will welcome calls to his home tomorrow evening. His home # is (724) 337-0665. Please don't call until tomorrow evening--the family has enough to do until then with out answering the phone! (Some IDIOT/ASSHOLE put the word out yesterday to call Arnie at the hospital--just what he and the family needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Dave PS, Could someone please forward this to Jim's list? Thanks! From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 27 16:28:20 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:28:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I sure am glad he's getting along well! Thanks for tipping us off, Dave! John On Sep 27, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie > had a MILD heart attack. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Sep 27 17:31:36 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:31:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4a4f2$87726ac0$5a86a5d8@mycomputer> Glad to hear Arnies Ok , hope he makes a speedy recovery , we all need his humor , and Daves also , Arnies a great guy any I wish him all the Best. Maybe from that Green Stuff he drinks ? :-)) > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a > MILD heart attack. From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 27 17:50:18 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:50:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c4a4f5$211036b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Thanks for the update. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a > MILD heart attack. He went to work on Saturday--but came home and told > Nancy to get him to the hospital. He spent that day and Sunday night in > the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie had two > stints put in today and is resting fine. He goes home tomorrow morning. > I'm sure that Arnie will welcome calls to his home tomorrow evening. His > home # is (724) 337-0665. Please don't call until tomorrow evening--the > family has enough to do until then with out answering the phone! (Some > IDIOT/ASSHOLE put the word out yesterday to call Arnie at the > hospital--just what he and the family needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > Dave > PS, Could someone please forward this to Jim's list? Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 27 18:45:10 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:45:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. Message-ID: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea who the maker is: http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 27 18:51:36 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:51:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <015101c4a4fd$b1f2ff70$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Dave for this report on Arnie, I am just glad it was not worse and that he is recovering fine. I will give him a call tomorrow night. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a > MILD heart attack. He went to work on Saturday--but came home and told > Nancy to get him to the hospital. He spent that day and Sunday night in > the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie had two > stints put in today and is resting fine. He goes home tomorrow morning. > I'm sure that Arnie will welcome calls to his home tomorrow evening. His > home # is (724) 337-0665. Please don't call until tomorrow evening--the > family has From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Sep 27 19:58:04 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neighbor wants to sell vintage rider with snow blower In-Reply-To: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005c01c4a506$fb992100$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Sort of OT, but sort of on topic for collectors of antique and vintage lawn and garden equipment: My neighbor, a VERY picky person who takes the best care of everything (much to his wife's dismay at times) is selling a couple of his riding mowers. I have one posted on my web site forum area at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18&PN=1&TPN =1 He's fully restored the unit - new bearings in the deck, blower was sandblasted and painted, engine rebuilt I believe he said 2 years ago, no expense spared. The man is a perfectionist and keeps everything he can inside a building. Anyone who collects vintage lawn equipment and likes them to be usable will appreciate this. I've told him I'd spread the word as he's done me great favors by trucking in over 15 large loads of dirt lately and said he'd get me a half dozen or so more if I'd help him out. Bill Runnells, Iowa www.antique-engines.com Chapman engine registry, forums, chat, buy/sell/trade areas, etc. From fsarm at netnitco.net Mon Sep 27 20:23:59 2004 From: fsarm at netnitco.net (Fred Armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:23:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Message-ID: <003501c4a50a$a46bca00$596e0b42@netnitco> Stan, I am sorry the camping fee upset you and missed visiting with you and Larry. The NIHPA Board realized after last years show that if we didn't do something different, there might not be any future shows. Several adjustments to the operating budget were made (admission was raised from $3 to $5, the free dinner on Saturday evening was changed to a Pork Chop dinner for a $6 donation, the free camping was changed to a $30 donation) to keep the club solvent. I would classify our show as a small show (I don't know the paid attendance on Friday or Sunday but Saturday 1,218 paid) and with members, workers, volunteers and exhibitors getting in for free, some means are needed to fund the costs for property lease (we use a county park), planting and harvesting demonstration crops, portable toilets, running temporary water and electric lines to the concession area, running temporary electric to the camping area, security, emergency medical workers, fuel, insurance... you get the picture. As far as I know, two other people complained about the camping fee. One thing that was brought up was that nobody should pay more than one fee. If you are a vendor, you would pay the vendor fee but not the camping fee. If you are an exhibitor, you would pay the camping fee but not the admission fee. It's not a perfect system, probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? Anyway, we had great weather, a good inquisitive crowd and lots of fun. Sure hope you'll give it another chance next year. Fred Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Holderman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Regarding your NIHPA show, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. > Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 27 20:24:20 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:24:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <20040927153811.74021.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200409280324.i8S3OMYI005184@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Where were these??? Hey Tony, Sorry we missed you. Our main display was located about a quarter mile south of where we park the tractors. Most of the fair isn't of much interest to me, but I like the animals and I like the area that we're in. To me, everything else is just a carnival. There are also buidings dedicated to educational stuff, but those are geared mostly to the kids. What's really cool is the animal nursery. They have the babies and their mommas and mommas to be. They're fun to watch, but I'm glad I'm not a cow/pig/goat/rabbit/duck/chicken farmer. Rob From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Sep 27 22:08:16 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:08:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar><6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> <015101c4a4fd$b1f2ff70$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001a01c4a519$2ab09ec0$3f84dccb@froberts> Hello Arnie. Sorry to hear of your problem and I wish you a speedy and full recovery. Hoping to see you over here for the national so as we can return some of the hospitality and friendship as was shown to us back in 2001 at Portland. Our kindness regards. Fred & Fay From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 28 01:55:10 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:55:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat. M/C Museum Message-ID: <00b701c4a53a$89efd920$620d1bd3@athlon> Today, friend, Col and myself took my Hodaka (On the website) to be put on show in the National Motorcycle Museum at Nabiac, NSW. If any of you are ever in the area of Taree and dont go to see this place, you are missing out!!! Col and I, both 'older' motorcyclists spent a few hours completely engrossed. The range of machines in there was mind boggling. I am sure this would be the greatest collection of bikes anywhere in the WORLD!!! Having a bike in there on loan, I am entitled to visit free at any time. Really nice folk own the place too. After restoring the Hodaka, I realised that it would be better placed where people could see it. I will never ride it. It is also for sale if any one is interested. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Sep 28 04:46:18 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:46:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: <9d.4efe3b15.2e8aa90a@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/04 11:38:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fsarm at netnitco.net writes: << It's not a perfect system, probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? >> Fred, The entrance fee increase from $3 to $5 brought in an additional $2400 for your club. I would look at this versus what the $30 camping fee brought you. And then look at in terms of say $10 camping fee. $30 seems very steep and as everyone knows once negativism starts it seems to spread like wildfire. That you do not want! Keeping the smaller shows like ours solvent is an ever increasing challenge, especially with rising insurance rates, and trying to save some money for a rained out show like we had 2 years ago. Tom Schmutz President, Stonewall Antique Power Association Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Sep 28 04:55:04 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:55:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! Message-ID: <190.2f0dc6a2.2e8aab18@aol.com> Best wishes to Arnie for a full and speedy recovery. Being a twice colon cancer survivor, health situations are scary and no fun in the hospital! Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 28 06:59:35 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:59:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <00fd01c4a563$63deaee0$861117d1@net.telenet.net> Paul, Not sure who made it but saw one like it on RFDTV the other night. They were using it to chop corn but said it was originally made to chop sorghum or sugar cane so it could be processed easier. I think the show was shot at the 2002 old threshers show. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea who the maker is: http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Tue Sep 28 07:10:55 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:10:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409281010550265.0028EDC8@heavyiron.atis.net> Just wanted to let everyone know the donation to the museum was made last night. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 28 07:35:59 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:35:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Get Well Arnie Message-ID: <20040928.104240.820.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Arnie, Good to see you're still with us. Probably all that rich "Show Food" that did it. Now you'll be on a diet of Rice Cakes & Distilled Water. Get well soon - - - Please !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Sep 28 08:29:11 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:29:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to cut costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to obtain a sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on the tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster >From: "Fred Armstrong" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:23:59 -0500 > >Stan, I am sorry the camping fee upset you and missed visiting with you and >Larry. The NIHPA Board realized after last years show that if we didn't do >something different, there might not be any future shows. Several >adjustments to the operating budget were made (admission was raised from $3 >to $5, the free dinner on Saturday evening was changed to a Pork Chop >dinner >for a $6 donation, the free camping was changed to a $30 donation) to keep >the club solvent. I would classify our show as a small show (I don't know >the paid attendance on Friday or Sunday but Saturday 1,218 paid) and with >members, workers, volunteers and exhibitors getting in for free, some means >are needed to fund the costs for property lease (we use a county park), >planting and harvesting demonstration crops, portable toilets, running >temporary water and electric lines to the concession area, running >temporary >electric to the camping area, security, emergency medical workers, fuel, >insurance... you get the picture. As far as I know, two other people >complained about the camping fee. One thing that was brought up was that >nobody should pay more than one fee. If you are a vendor, you would pay >the >vendor fee but not the camping fee. If you are an exhibitor, you would pay >the camping fee but not the admission fee. It's not a perfect system, >probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? Anyway, we >had great weather, a good inquisitive crowd and lots of fun. Sure hope >you'll give it another chance next year. >Fred Armstrong > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stan Holderman" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:35 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > Regarding your NIHPA show, but I think they have priced this retired >cop >out of showing. > > Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Sep 28 08:32:23 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:32:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Had a great time. Super job Rob. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Tue Sep 28 09:34:46 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:34:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <200409281010550265.0028EDC8@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi All, Hazel and I would like to thank everyone for the donation. Obviously donations are welcome anytime as they help save and rebuild engines here but at the moment this donation is particularly welcome and will be put to good use. Many thanks again Paul & Hazel http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Yost [mailto:yostsw at atis.net] Sent: 28 September 2004 15:11 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power Just wanted to let everyone know the donation to the museum was made last night. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From old_iron at msn.com Tue Sep 28 10:34:40 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:34:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! Message-ID: Arnie!!! Get Well Quick!! You and yours will be in our prayers especially today. XOXOXOXOX Bill & Peg Pfeiffer From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 28 10:53:14 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:53:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Show Pictures Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I finally finished up the web page for this years Portland Show. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/portland04.html Going through these pictures brings back alot of great memories for me. Thanks again to everyone who makes the 'Portland Experience' possible. Can't wait until Portland 2005!!! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 11:49:51 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:49:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: Message-ID: <000b01c4a58b$f1e26600$78bff504@x8h7l9> At the CT Antique Machinery show, one of the local John Deere dealers loaned a Gator with his signs on it. It was used by the staff to hall stuff around. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to cut > costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to obtain a > sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on the > tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large > equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and > explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster > > > >From: "Fred Armstrong" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:23:59 -0500 > > > >Stan, I am sorry the camping fee upset you and missed visiting with you and > >Larry. The NIHPA Board realized after last years show that if we didn't do > >something different, there might not be any future shows. Several > >adjustments to the operating budget were made (admission was raised from $3 > >to $5, the free dinner on Saturday evening was changed to a Pork Chop > >dinner > >for a $6 donation, the free camping was changed to a $30 donation) to keep > >the club solvent. I would classify our show as a small show (I don't know > >the paid attendance on Friday or Sunday but Saturday 1,218 paid) and with > >members, workers, volunteers and exhibitors getting in for free, some means > >are needed to fund the costs for property lease (we use a county park), > >planting and harvesting demonstration crops, portable toilets, running > >temporary water and electric lines to the concession area, running > >temporary > >electric to the camping area, security, emergency medical workers, fuel, > >insurance... you get the picture. As far as I know, two other people > >complained about the camping fee. One thing that was brought up was that > >nobody should pay more than one fee. If you are a vendor, you would pay > >the > >vendor fee but not the camping fee. If you are an exhibitor, you would pay > >the camping fee but not the admission fee. It's not a perfect system, > >probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? Anyway, we > >had great weather, a good inquisitive crowd and lots of fun. Sure hope > >you'll give it another chance next year. > >Fred Armstrong > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Stan Holderman" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:35 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > > > > Regarding your NIHPA show, but I think they have priced this retired > >cop > >out of showing. > > > Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 28 14:20:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:20:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Home and Doing WELL! (OT) Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928171008.01f2ab58@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Arnie is now home and doing and feeling FINE! He said that he is better than he has been in 20 years. (At that point Nancy yelled out that she will reserve judgment until later tonight! Wonder what the hell she was talking about?) In any event, Arnie will leave for NY and his youngest daughter's (Cortney's) wedding on Thursday, so if you want to speak to him tonight is your opportunity! Again, his phone # is (724) 337-0665. Dave PS, Rob, Nancy said to thank you for your inquiry about the engines. She said that she will keep your phone # on file "just in case." From shop at cccomm.net Tue Sep 28 15:08:59 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:08:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040927080054.83102.qmail@web20226.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009601c4a5a7$c1bb1000$6401a8c0@Shop> Hey Joe, You said, "When I got the bug, I said "Honey, what would you think of getting an old tractor?" She thought I meant Oil Pull and immediately thought of my buddy Paulie's stinky F, which belches smoke and throws oil in every direction." Just don't tell her that it uses oil once as it goes through the bearings and then it drops into the lower crankcase and from there to the ground and everywhere and on anybody! Grin... Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 28 15:40:24 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> <00fd01c4a563$63deaee0$861117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <001c01c4a5ac$2b1f8360$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Steve, wish I had gotten to see it. I try and check RFDTV each night to see if anything interesting is coming up but apparently missed this one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul, > Not sure who made it but saw one like it on RFDTV the other night. They > were using it to chop corn but said it was originally made to chop > sorghum or sugar cane so it could be processed easier. I think the show From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Tue Sep 28 17:19:57 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:19:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> <00fd01c4a563$63deaee0$861117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <009d01c4a5ba$0dec3320$22e0a841@ibm22761389857> My uncle had ( or may still have) one similar, but as I recall it had a wooden conveyor to carry the corn into the rotating blades. We did not use it for silage but to chop corn for cattle feed right at the feed troughs. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 09:59 Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul, > Not sure who made it but saw one like it on RFDTV the other night. They > were using it to chop corn but said it was originally made to chop > sorghum or sugar cane so it could be processed easier. I think the show > was shot at the 2002 old threshers show. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:45 PM > Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > > > Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. > Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea > who the maker is: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Sep 28 17:20:15 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. In-Reply-To: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Paul No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I can match any casting #'s. I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG They are a neat display, but you need corn stalks to run thru them. Steve --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea who the maker is: http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 Thanks, Paul From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 17:58:13 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:58:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: Message-ID: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward to the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great work. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! > > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed > Sulzer blast injection single > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this is > one of the engines we had > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. > > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! > > Cheers > Paul > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > tape > tour would sell over here. > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Sep 28 18:19:58 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:19:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <014101c4a5c2$6fea21b0$25f0af40@solar> Will the dvd or tape from the UK play over here I believe ours are region 1 here in the states I will put some cash or I can use paypal if it will work? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Paul, > > Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward to > the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great > work. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Evans" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! > > > > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed > > Sulzer blast injection single > > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this is > > one of the engines we had > > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. > > > > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! > > > > Cheers > > Paul > > > > http://www.internalfire.com > > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > > Tel: 01239 811212 > > > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > > > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > > tape > > tour would sell over here. > > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 19:17:49 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:17:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <014101c4a5c2$6fea21b0$25f0af40@solar> Message-ID: <000e01c4a5ca$85451350$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Roger, Order the NTSC version for the United States. Will play fine. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Will the dvd or tape from the UK play over here > I believe ours are region 1 here in the states > I will put some cash or I can use paypal > if it will work? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont > Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor > scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast > Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 > 510-226-9785 voice mail line > Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly > web site. scrapologist.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > >> Paul, >> >> Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward > to >> the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great >> work. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Evans" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power >> >> >> > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! >> > >> > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed >> > Sulzer blast injection single >> > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this > is >> > one of the engines we had >> > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. >> > >> > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! >> > >> > Cheers >> > Paul >> > >> > http://www.internalfire.com >> > Internal Fire, Museum of Power >> > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales >> > Tel: 01239 811212 >> > >> > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] >> > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power >> > >> > >> > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video >> > tape >> > tour would sell over here. >> > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. >> > >> > --- >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 20:02:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:02:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides Message-ID: <000601c4a5d0$b82db3c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, As you all know the Sattley project has started. Any thoughts on reconditioning the valve guides and clearance on them are welcome. I'm leaning towards modern thin wall bronze guides. No rocket science here. I have .125 and that's way too much in my opinion. That is how much it moves on one end. Thanks. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From Aermoter at aol.com Tue Sep 28 20:21:51 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:21:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family Message-ID: <1e8.2ad19326.2e8b844f@aol.com> Steve Sewell sent me an email this evening asking about our new boys and it occurred to me that I have really not posted anything about them since we arrived home. The following is a brief bit about how things have been this past month. They are doing very well. It has been an adjustment but a good one. About the hardest thing we have had to overcome was the issue of what will they eat. We didn't learn much Russian that dealt with eating except for being able to ask them if they were either hungry or thirsty. We have had them for 5 weeks now, 4 weeks at home and have been able to get them to eat quite a bit of different types of food. At first all they wanted was mainly bread with little else (that was their main food in the orphanage) but now they will only eat bread if it is stuffed with something in the middle i.e. sandwich. We had big plans on teaching them English as best we could and have succeeded somewhat but we also have been picking up more Russian from them as well. Yuriy, 4 years old, seems to be picking up on English quicker than Nickolai, 5 years old. Nickolai it turns out was raised on the streets for the first year and a half of his life and then when he was put into the orphanage they put him in with the babies since his brother was only 6 months old at the time. After spending 3 years with babies he had adapted to lower motor skills and his speech suffered. He is just now starting to talk more but is still slower on the English. Their health is in excellent shape considering where they had been and everyday is a new adventure for them. They came from such a remote part of the world that even the simplest of things is something of a wonder. They both just love to spend time with me in the shop and are now able to understand what tool I am telling them that I need and they go and get it. They won't quit until they find it. They will be engine men in no time. I plan on pulling an engine out in the next month or so and start it up for them to see what they think. I want to wait until they have a better understanding of things before I put them in front of an engine with all the parts just waiting to grab a finger or two. One super nice thing that we didn't have to deal with was their neatness. They were taught to make their beds, pick up their toys, remove their plates from the table and to wash their hands and faces after a meal. It took almost two years and the cost of a new Hummer to get them but we have never been happier. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Sep 28 22:42:20 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:42:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><014101c4a5c2$6fea21b0$25f0af40@solar> <000e01c4a5ca$85451350$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <029e01c4a5e7$167807d0$25f0af40@solar> The question about paypal was not answered??????? can payment be sent that way??????? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Roger, > > Order the NTSC version for the United States. Will play fine. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger DiRuscio" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > Will the dvd or tape from the UK play over here > > I believe ours are region 1 here in the states > > I will put some cash or I can use paypal > > if it will work? > > > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont > > Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor > > scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast > > Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 > > 510-226-9785 voice mail line > > Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly > > web site. scrapologist.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > > >> Paul, > >> > >> Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward > > to > >> the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great > >> work. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jeff Allen > >> Arvada, Colorado USA > >> > >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > >> http://frapa.us/ > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Paul Evans" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > >> > >> > >> > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! > >> > > >> > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed > >> > Sulzer blast injection single > >> > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this > > is > >> > one of the engines we had > >> > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. > >> > > >> > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > Paul > >> > > >> > http://www.internalfire.com > >> > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > >> > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > >> > Tel: 01239 811212 > >> > > >> > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > >> > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 > >> > To: The SEL email discussion list > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > >> > > >> > > >> > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > >> > tape > >> > tour would sell over here. > >> > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > >> > > >> > --- > >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Sep 28 22:37:48 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:37:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Home and Doing WELL! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928171008.01f2ab58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200409290537.i8T5bpYI009446@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > PS, Rob, Nancy said to thank you for your inquiry about the > engines. She said that she will keep your phone # on file "just in case." So you think the bouquet and chocolates did the trick? I TOLD you I still had it goin' on. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 04:36:46 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:36:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c4a618$9bb5b7e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Steve for response and excellent pictures, I love your machines. Your Appleton looks a little like the corn chopper I have but it is obviously not. If you do get time to research it and find something I certainly would appreciate your time and effort. Thanks again, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul > > No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I > can match any casting #'s. > > I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm > > I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder > which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto > the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa > wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and > sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a > show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 28 13:52:21 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:52:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: Message-ID: <000601c4a59d$0ce6d740$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to cut > costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to obtain a > sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on the > tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large > equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and > explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster Hi Steve, nearly 20 years ago when a group of us started Englands biggest Engine rally with almost no funds. As the show got larger in later years we were looking for funds. I arranged with a large local engineering tools firm to let him erect a large tent near the arena. He was allowed to give free entry passes to his potential customers & he gave them drinks & food in the tent. His top sales staff also attended.8^) For two years he paid well for the privilege & the people who got the free passes were not our usual visitors. Why not see if it works over there? Dave Croft. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Sep 29 05:51:59 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:51:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides References: <000601c4a5d0$b82db3c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Jeff..on the 5 hp Galloway, we just built new valve stems and then had the valves ground. I fear now the intake might be a little tight tho but better that way than the other. Valve guides to me would have been quite expensive. One of these days I hope to have a valve grinding machine(s). Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "SEL" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Valve guides Hello all, As you all know the Sattley project has started. Any thoughts on reconditioning the valve guides and clearance on them are welcome. I'm leaning towards modern thin wall bronze guides. No rocket science here. I have .125 and that's way too much in my opinion. That is how much it moves on one end. Thanks. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Sep 29 05:59:41 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:59:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family References: <1e8.2ad19326.2e8b844f@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4a624$3009d240$656f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi Tim.That sure is great and I am sure they will have a great home with you.To give children a fair go in life is an opportunity not to be missed.I raised my two children as a single father from when they were only 2&3 years old.It was a challenge but was worth every minute. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:21 Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family > Steve Sewell sent me an email this evening asking about our new boys and it > occurred to me that I have really not posted anything about them since we > arrived home. The following is a brief bit about how things have been this past > month. > > They are doing very well. It has been an adjustment but a good one. About From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 06:46:33 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:46:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NOS Bulldog engine included References: <1e8.2ad19326.2e8b844f@aol.com> <000d01c4a624$3009d240$656f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c4a62a$bc220580$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> designed and developed by IHC comes with a brand new Bulldog engine still in the crate not a bad deal if you need a butt buggy motor AND a storm shelter From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 06:47:49 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:47:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: NOS Bulldog engine included References: <001201c4a62a$ccfebba0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <001a01c4a62a$e957d020$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.idahomotorpool.com/m75.html From toadhill at aeroinc.net Wed Sep 29 07:57:12 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:57:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Heart Attack Message-ID: <001c01c4a634$9ab3c780$5fcc940c@mcness.com> Arnie, Hope you're feeling better. There's an old saying that goes like this: "Getting old isn't for sissies". Hang in there!! Joe From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Sep 29 08:42:29 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:42:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <029e01c4a5e7$167807d0$25f0af40@solar> Message-ID: > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > The question about paypal was not answered??????? > can payment be sent that way??????? You can use paypal through the shop on the website, not very pretty to shop in yet but we'll get there. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 29 09:07:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's E-address (OT) Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929120421.01ef8730@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, A number of you have contacted me to ask for Arnie's e-address. The best one to use is his HOME e-address. It is: fero_ah at city-net.com. Dave From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 29 10:21:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:21:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's E-address (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929120421.01ef8730@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929120421.01ef8730@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <415AEF17.5070405@imc-group.com> Dave, Would like to add that the address is fero(underscore)ah or fero_ah..... NOT fero ah At least on my browser the underscore was obliterated by the hyperlink line. Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > A number of you have contacted me to ask for Arnie's e-address. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Sep 29 10:30:57 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:30:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: Great idea Dave, I'm sure if we all put our collective heads together we can find a way to keep these shows that we love so well from extinction. Steve >From: "Dave Croft" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:52:21 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:29 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to >cut > > costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to >obtain a > > sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on >the > > tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large > > equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and > > explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster > >Hi Steve, nearly 20 years ago when a group of us started Englands biggest >Engine rally with almost no funds. >As the show got larger in later years we were looking for funds. I arranged >with a large local engineering tools firm to let him erect a large tent >near the arena. >He was allowed to give free entry passes to his potential customers & he >gave them >drinks & food in the tent. His top sales staff also attended.8^) >For two years he paid well for the privilege & the people who got the free >passes were >not our usual visitors. >Why not see if it works over there? >Dave Croft. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 12:39:35 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:39:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering References: <1d6.2bca51bb.2e89db42@aol.com> Message-ID: <003d01c4a65c$0d6f0c40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Not only do I see a saw blade hammering manual in my new Lindsay Pub Catalog , But there is also an announcement that Dave Gingery has moved on to the big foundry in the sky . . From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Sep 29 16:43:15 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:43:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family Message-ID: In a message dated 9/28/2004 11:54:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Aermoter at aol.com writes: << They will be engine men in no time. >> Tim, That is great and I know you and your wife are enjoying the boys. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rustyiron at bigpond.com Wed Sep 29 05:42:12 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:42:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. Andy........ Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 17:56:07 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:56:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <415B59A7.000001.02088@NOTEBOOK> Hey Andy Primary rule of trailers is to always have 60% of your load on the tongue. That stops almost 100% of the "wagging" problem and gives much better control of the trailer overall. Using that as a guide I built my last trailer with the center of the tandem axle spread 60% back from the front of the deck. ie: 10 ft deck, center of the spread was 6ft back. The nose weight added by the tongue really was negligable in the overall picture and I countered the difference by how I loaded the equipment on it. Also, using this as a basis the trailer pulls like a dream even when empty. Another quirk I ran into was to be sure no two distances between the axles are the same. The length from your steering axle to your drive axle should be different than the length from your drive axle to the trailer's axle(s). If you have the same distance the trailer becomes almost impossible to tow at speed, or to back up. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/29/04 20:39:48 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. Andy........ Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 18:06:37 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:06:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <415B5C1D.000003.02088@NOTEBOOK> Me again Andy, On the ramps, I used 1" diamater Drill rod attached to a bracket on each end and welded on the back of the trailer end to end }----------{}----------{ something like that, with a piece of pipe cut to the width of the ramp and welded to the ramp slid over the drill rod. Proved to be infinately adjustable from only a couple inches between them to almost the full width of the trailer. There's a couple downfalls to this method. If the trailer is fully loaded you end up transporting it with the ramps sticking straight up in the air and catching all the wind, sucks the ole' fuel milage way down, but if you can figure it out you can hinge the ramps in the middle and fold them up as you prepare to stow them on the trailer deck. The next trailer I build I'll use a similar method for the ramps, but rather than welding them to the mounting brackets I think I'll drill and tap the ends of the drill rod so that I can still have them secure but also be able to remove the ramps from time to time as needed. -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/29/04 20:39:48 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. Andy........ Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Sep 29 18:20:42 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:20:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. Message-ID: <84.34c4361c.2e8cb96a@aol.com> Hey Men; A few months ago a fellow had a picture of a swivel he made to use under the bolster on his engine truck, he made a beautiful job on it even put a finish on it with a pneumatic pin chipper which put a finish on it that looked like cast iron, it was beautiful, I want to make one but I can't find the info., does any one happen to know who it was that put the info. on the list? Thanks, Bill Miller. From yostsw at atis.net Wed Sep 29 19:26:33 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:26:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shamless self-promotion of Ebay item Message-ID: <200409292226330234.074FF744@heavyiron.atis.net> Sorry folks to post this, but I really thought that maybe a list member might like auto drain that I have fro sale at Ebay for his/her air compressor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3843132466 Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 29 19:45:18 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:45:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <192.2f50b371.2e8ccd3e@aol.com> Hi Bob, Is this critical distance you describe something you have learned by hearing about it? Or, have you personally experienced it? What is it about the distances being equal that would cause problems with towing at speed, and, especially, how would that affect backing up? Thanks. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 9/29/2004 8:00:49 PM Central Standard Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > Another quirk I ran into was to be sure no two distances between the axles > are the same. The length from your steering axle to your drive axle should > be different than the length from your drive axle to the trailer's axle(s). > If you have the same distance the trailer becomes almost impossible to tow > at speed, or to back up. > > > > > > Bob From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 19:55:55 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:55:55 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <192.2f50b371.2e8ccd3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <415B75BB.000001.01352@NOTEBOOK> Hi Ron, That's firsthand expierience that taught me that. I had an s10 pickup and bought a second identical box for the trailer. At the time I figured it'd look nice equally spaced. WHAT A NIGHTMARE. Equal spacing caused the trailer to over-respond to the slightest twitch of the steering wheel, same result in backing up, the truck simply couldn't keep up with the turning of the trailer. I lengthened the tongue later by 12 inches and it made all the difference in the world. I questioned a couple of people I knew at the time who had a small shop producing auto trailers and they confirmed what I'd discovered. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/29/04 22:46:37 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Hi Bob, Is this critical distance you describe something you have learned by hearing about it? Or, have you personally experienced it? What is it about the distances being equal that would cause problems with towing at speed, and, especially, how would that affect backing up? Thanks. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 9/29/2004 8:00:49 PM Central Standard Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > Another quirk I ran into was to be sure no two distances between the axles > are the same. The length from your steering axle to your drive axle should > be different than the length from your drive axle to the trailer's axle(s) > If you have the same distance the trailer becomes almost impossible to tow > at speed, or to back up. > > > > > > Bob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 29 20:04:24 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:04:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <75.3542ad34.2e8cd1b8@aol.com> Hi Bob, Thanks. Ron In a message dated 9/29/2004 9:59:49 PM Central Standard Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > > > I questioned a couple of people I knew at the time who had a small shop > producing auto trailers and they confirmed what I'd discovered. > > > > Bob > From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Sep 29 20:22:35 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:22:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. In-Reply-To: <84.34c4361c.2e8cb96a@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c4a69c$bed47480$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Hi Bill That may have been my little project, I haven't had time to finish it yet but I hope to get back to it this fall and winter. Here is the link, http://community.webshots.com/album/115446387eqvhPY Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of BillMil357 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:21 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. Hey Men; A few months ago a fellow had a picture of a swivel he made to use under the bolster on his engine truck, he made a beautiful job on it even put a finish on it with a pneumatic pin chipper which put a finish on it that looked like cast iron, it was beautiful, I want to make one but I can't find the info., does any one happen to know who it was that put the info. on the list? Thanks, Bill Miller. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 29 21:04:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Arnie Update - More Later Message-ID: Hi y'all, I've not been ignoring all of your best wishes, but today has been a really busy day what with picking up the tux, doing a couple of Mapquest routes to New Yawk, blowing through a pile of Dave's .380 ammo giving his new Browning (and the neighbor's dog's ears) a nice workout in the back yard. Oh, yeah, almost forgot. Stopped to smell a few roses too. 8-)) The full tale on Monday. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - It wasn't the "Green Stuff." 8-)) From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Sep 29 20:59:30 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:59:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. Message-ID: <15.340c1abf.2e8cdea2@aol.com> Hi Dave; That is it, man you sure do pretty work you must have access to some high dollar equipment also, thanks a million for the info. See ya. Bill Miller. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 30 00:51:17 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:51:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer In-Reply-To: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <3ndnl09h702c46lcgieqciml17k59ao561@4ax.com> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:42:12 +0800, you wrote: >Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. >I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the >configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The >springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle >side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker >will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring >hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when >the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will >hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount >the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I >think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the >rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar >(and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, >I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or >high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an >idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what >to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car >(Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach >them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the >Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. >Andy........ Have a look at the way we put our trailer together, it gives a lot of constructional details and pictures, plus the various upgrades it went through up to the present day: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Trailer/Trailer1.htm and an article we did for the newsgroup: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Trailer/Trailer.htm As regards configuration, you need to have a relatively long drawbar in relation to the trailer or you will get wagging problems, especially if the vehicle you are towing with has significant overhang between the rear axle and the tow hitch. Static weight on the hitch needs to be about 112pounds at all times, any more and you'll get the towing vehicle weight carrying capacity being affected, any less and the trailer will bounce about on the hitch. Ours is neutral since we extended the rear of the frame, and it rattles a bit with no load on. Rear loading ramps as part of the tailgate are fine, but they also make very good air brakes! no further comment :-)) Hinges we can buy over here for the tailgate, see the close-ups of ours. We use rubber suspension beams with integral hubs and overrun brakes. The capacity of the trailer is 2600kg gross, the trailer itself weighs just over 600kg, but is built rather more heavily than most as we made it to carry engines and such rather than distributed loads. Heaviest item we have carried is a Lister JK4 50kW genset, which was probably a fair bit more than its rated load, but it towed very well with no problems. Fastest we have towed is much more than anyone would normally want to go, and we have never had any stability problems. All of our towing vehicles have had short overhangs at the back with a relatively long wheelbase, so reversing direction changes are slow and easy to correct. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pavy at ihug.com.au Thu Sep 30 02:20:47 2004 From: pavy at ihug.com.au (Mark and Leeanne) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:50:47 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <005e01c4a6ce$c81d6560$0e03d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx> Thanks for the pictures Luke Mark Pavy Queenstown South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Show Pictures > Hello Everybody, > > I finally finished up the web page for this years Portland Show. It can be > seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/portland04.html > > Going through these pictures brings back alot of great memories for me. > Thanks again to everyone who makes the 'Portland Experience' possible. > Can't wait until Portland 2005!!! > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 30 02:45:27 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:45:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <004e01c4a6d2$37baf9c0$e0541fd3@km> G'Day Andy A trailer my son, son-in-law and myself built last year for engine transport, it is a great trailer with step ups, tool/storage boxes, 2 ton electric winch and drawbridge (removerable ramps built into tail gate). http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary8.html The tail gate was built with 75mm * 75mm opened ended on the top frame so that the ramps can be slipped in or of as required and works well. The trailer was built to haul a 8hp Austral of over 2 tonnes or my 1949 Riley so built strong but is very heavy, the V8 crusier pulls it well loaded but fuel suffers. and as can be seen the ramps are wide enought for a wide range of loads, small engines 2-3 hp are wheeled up one ramp only. Hope this helps Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. > I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the > configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The > springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle > side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker > will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring > hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when > the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will > hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount > the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I > think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the > rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar > (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, > I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or > high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an > idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what > to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car > (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach > them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the > Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. > Andy........ From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 30 05:08:29 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:08:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <145.34eeb04f.2e8d513d@aol.com> In a message dated 9/30/2004 3:56:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: << Have a look at the way we put our trailer together, >> Peter. Beautiful job on the trailer! Could you tell me more about the stabilizer jacks on the back of the trailer? Do these jack like the old VW car post jacks, or do they just let down and clamp in position? I need something like those for my trailer. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 30 05:14:31 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:14:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2004 5:46:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: << A trailer my son, son-in-law and myself built last year for engine transport, >> Kerry, Nice heavy duty trailer with lots of ideas put into it for tie downs, storage, etc. I have been reflooring both my trailers now with treated lumber. They came with pine boards painted and have started rotting over they years. Also bought one of those cheap metal car ports to keep them under hoping this will help. Too many barns right now and Millie would not let me build anymore, so settled for the carport! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From barryt at downeast.net Thu Sep 30 08:36:30 2004 From: barryt at downeast.net (barry thomas) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:36:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: Message-ID: <000501c4a703$4642f430$0100a8c0@barrys> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tandem Trailer > In a message dated 9/30/2004 5:46:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: > > << A trailer my son, son-in-law and myself built last year for engine > transport, >> > Kerry, > > Nice heavy duty trailer with lots of ideas put into it for tie downs, > storage, etc. I have been reflooring both my trailers now with treated lumber. They > came with pine boards painted and have started rotting over they years. Also > bought one of those cheap metal car ports to keep them under hoping this will > help. Too many barns right now and Millie would not let me build anymore, so > settled for the carport! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 30 10:43:14 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:43:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer In-Reply-To: <145.34eeb04f.2e8d513d@aol.com> References: <145.34eeb04f.2e8d513d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:08:29 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/30/2004 3:56:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: > ><< Have a look at the way we put our trailer together, >> > >Peter. > >Beautiful job on the trailer! Could you tell me more about the stabilizer >jacks on the back of the trailer? Do these jack like the old VW car post jacks, >or do they just let down and clamp in position? I need something like those >for my trailer. > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz You can get both, Tom, we have the clamp type which just drop down when you undo the bolt, but they do windup ones as well, either geared head or big acme screw types. Normally if the trailer is hooked up to the van then we don't need them at all. Trailer has done a few miles now, probably 20,000 or so, been to Spain and Portugal three times :-)) I'll have to get those pictures sorted out, they were a very early scan attempt before we got the Epson scanners we have now, and it shows! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 30 13:51:25 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:51:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Colin Mackinnon Message-ID: <000801c4a72f$96c7e240$6f111bd3@athlon> I am sad to report to you that our ex list mate is in Pallitive care at Westmead hospital and not given long to go on this planet. Although the first tumor was removed from his brain, more have grown and he has gone down hill rather badly recently. He is blind and paralised on one side. I intend to visit him this Sunday. Needless to say, poor Christine is shattered. I dont think she wants any mail on this at this time. A sad end for a great bloke. I will keep you all informed. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 30 13:54:50 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:54:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Colin Mackinnon Message-ID: <14.34dcfeb7.2e8dcc9a@aol.com> Reg, Sorry to hear about Colin. It did not sound good when he was last on the list. Wish him well from us. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 30 14:32:27 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bulldog & Storm Shelter Message-ID: designed and developed by IHC comes with a brand new Bulldog engine still in the crate not a bad deal if you need a butt buggy motor AND a storm shelter http://www.idahomotorpool.com/m75.html Not the Bulldog I was thinking of, but ? I would like to have the engine container. Would make a super genset shelter. Thought all the tanks in Idaho were operational? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com From Vivas1993 at aol.com Thu Sep 30 16:50:28 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:50:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Colin Mackinnon Message-ID: <198.2f504a67.2e8df5c4@aol.com> Hi Reg, Very sorry to hear this news on Colin. Even though a lot of us will never meet in person, it's always sad to get this kind of news on list members, past & present. Our thoughts & prayers go out to him, & his family. Dwight & Carolyn Vivas Petersburg, VA. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 30 17:54:18 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:54:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 30 18:04:04 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:04:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> Hey Paul, There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Sep 30 18:56:03 2004 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:56:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040930215603.016cfd4c@mail.accnorwalk.com> Paul, there are main fuses in the underhood fuse block that may cause this. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Sep 30 19:48:31 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Off Topic our new family Message-ID: <6d.3558b08b.2e8e1f7f@aol.com> I will try to get some pictures of the boys posted soon. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 30 20:46:01 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:46:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> Hi Paul, It is my understanding that Ford Motor Co. was required by the Feds to use a, for lack of a better term, kill switch on its products as a result of the Pinto accidents which resulted in loss of life due to the vehicles catching fire. I do not know if they are still required or not. I also do not know if they are electrical interrupters or fuel shut offs. I suspect that one of our resident mechanics on the list might know something definitive here. Good luck finding the problem. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 30 18:17:51 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:17:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hello Bob, I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I need to leave the charger on longer. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Hey Paul, There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Sep 30 22:34:02 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:34:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples><415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001901c4a778$42dfe4e0$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net> Paul, Sounds like either a bad battery cable connection or a bad cable. I would pull the connectors and clean them real good, and give them a tug to make sure they are still attached to the cable (common for them to corrode under the insulation and the connector). Also check the other end and the solenoid connection as well. I've had cables that looked great fall apart because they were corroded inside. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it > sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I need > to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > Hey Paul, > > There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which > are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. > > Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustyiron at bigpond.com Thu Sep 30 14:48:02 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:48:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <008501c4a737$31d68a00$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hello All, Thanks for the replies and pictures, they helped a lot, I've now got idea's from all over the world, so there's no excuse for me to suff it up, just my welding! but nothing a grinder and a bit of paint won't fix. Thanks.......Andy....... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 1 00:20:00 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 17:20:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Ignitor Message-ID: <012f01c48ff4$1905a8d0$87731dd3@fred> To the list. Thanks for all the offers of assistance with rebuilding my Mogul Ignitor. I located an Ignitor in Canada ,it arrived in Australia last night, now we can finish the eng. Thanks to all. It shows how good this group is in helping. Brian in Melbourne. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 1 04:12:46 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com> <4134EBE3.FDD8B386@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Dolly, Or perhaps Joe is a master of understatement? 8-)) See ya, Arnie PS - He hasn't met Bambi & Nitro. PPS - Yet... On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Jim French wrote: > I'm a bit concerned that you think some of us are "a little eccentric" though. > Arnie, Dave, Joe P, etc - what was the matter with you all? Were you taming > things down to try to look better? > Dolly > Official SEL Flame Mistress > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > > > I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. > > Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > > Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > > banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric > > but then who isn't? From stevebarr at ameritech.net Wed Sep 1 05:04:36 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 05:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Multiple Show Photos In-Reply-To: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> Message-ID: <20040901120436.76556.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> I finally have sat down and completed several show picture reports that have been waiting to be done. 800+ pictures of engines and tractors. New Shows Added: Portland, IN Show - 2004 Baraboo, WI Show - 2004 Sycamore, IL Show - 2004 --1st National Gade Show - Marshalltown, IA - 2004 --Not finished yet-- Franklin Grove, IL - 2004 DuPage County Fair - 2004 Will County, IL 2004 Paublo Agricultural Museum - Stonington, IL 2004 Here is the link to the show page: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/show_reports.htm I feel better now...I wasn't the only one who had to be towed out of the North end trailer parking area at Portland...I hooked up to the trailer a few minutes before the rains came Saturday and created Lake Portland...Pulled Forward ~8 feet and spun out...I did get to wait in the truck until after the rain stopped and then hiked in to the gate to call for a tractor (an AC) to pull the Truck and Trailer out. Please provide feedback directly (offlist) about download times on the larger pages (dialup users only as it is fine for those on high speed access). Steve ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 05:30:26 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:30:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> References: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> Message-ID: <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> Bill Herreid wrote: > I am fairly new to the hobby, and only have one flywheel engine of my > own, a 1929 Economy XK, on which the piston still does not move. > Looking forward to next year at Lake Portland (hopefully the tides > will be down). > > From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid > Bill, bring that beast along and we will see if the piston will glide smoothly before you leave! "love these challenges" -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From billalan at busynet.net Wed Sep 1 06:37:21 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:37:21 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> References: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> Message-ID: <4135D091.4030305@busynet.net> Leroy, I hope to have it running before then, unless I find that I need more parts that I don't already have. If it is running, you can bet that I will bring it along. If it isn't, I am sure that I could find the parts there that are needed, so we will have to wait and see. Bill From toadhill at aeroinc.net Wed Sep 1 06:58:01 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:58:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> Reg, I met you last year - at Baraboo, I think. Had the 12hp Stover screen cooled and the little black hat. If that helps. R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've started to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and the igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the moon! Joe From ignitors at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 1 07:17:09 2004 From: ignitors at sbcglobal.net (Ted Brookover) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:17:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com><4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com><4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> <00ba01c49002$64068620$190d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <002001c4902e$5eb48240$02d5fea9@yoursz6x6sefxo> Every Ignitor I build gets a shot of "Anti-Seize" compound before it ships out. I started this one summer several years ago when an ignitor I shipped to Texas came back "Stuck", the new shaft had rusted in the hole while in transit, too much humidity I guessed at the time. Ted Brookover 4801 E. Red Bridge Rd. Kansas City, Missouri, 64137 816-763-3142 ignitors at sbcglobal.net , Home Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ Ignitor ID Page, http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ign-id.htm This Mail, Virus Scanned, by Symantec's Norton Anti-Virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Ever thought of trying a teflon type dry lube or similar? Might work. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judge Tommy Turner" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:47 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > > >> Curt, >> >> Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to >> lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and >> stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil >> helps keep it from being so "gummy". >> >> Tommy Turner >> Magnolia, KY > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 07:24:50 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:24:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <20040901.101915.796.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <4135DBB2.000004.01868@NOTEBOOK> Hmmmm, I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our engines, you know the ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 07:25:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:25:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Pictures of Portland Coming Soon Message-ID: <20040901.110620.796.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Paul, Can't wait to see them. Thanks, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 08:12:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:12:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Message-ID: <20040901.113250.796.8.jlb94@juno.com> Ahh - Yes - Now I see. Yes - I'm a little "Wobbly" Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:24:50 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) "Bob Jacobs" writes: > Hmmmm, > > I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our > engines, > you know the > ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 08:32:51 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:32:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French engine. This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 it isn't all that old. So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto has a 1922 date stamped on it. I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine more. What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? George Ps... While most of you were away enjoying the Portland show, I rejoined SEL. From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 09:57:50 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:57:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Lake Portland In-Reply-To: <4135D091.4030305@busynet.net> References: <413538A2.9090402@busynet.net> <4135C0E2.9080006@udata.com> <4135D091.4030305@busynet.net> Message-ID: <4135FF8E.9020604@udata.com> Bill Herreid wrote: > Leroy, > > I hope to have it running before then, unless I find that I need more > parts that I don't already have. If it is running, you can bet that I > will bring it along. If it isn't, I am sure that I could find the > parts there that are needed, so we will have to wait and see. > > Yea, but how are you going to get the piston out? that's the fun part................... -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 10:01:10 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:01:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> Message-ID: <41360056.4090604@udata.com> Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: >R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've started to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and the igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the moon! > >Joe > > > Joe, an old timer long ago told me to mix tranny fluid into my fuel for the old engins, but I forgot to do this sometime ago. He only mixed about an ounce or two to a gallon of petro. Is this what you mean -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 1 10:13:21 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:13:21 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <001801c49046$fbca8300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi George, Glad you got the engine home, so Harry is happy too. I got a hind about that brand and looked up some pics in my photo files. Two years ago I took them at a little local show at the Maritime Museum at Groningen. Can't remember the specs or the owner of the engine. Seems to methis one is older. Tomorrow morning early we will drive to our club's 5th lustrum show at Barchem, a 3? hour drive. 5 days show time, the last we will do this season. Will try to find out something about the engine for you. There also is a new book about all the French engines ever made, I read in the last club magazine. Could ask one of the sellers what is in the book about this engine. Pics can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Thierry.htm Will talk to you next week again. All the best, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > > George From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 1 10:34:25 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:34:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine Message-ID: <41360821.5050005@imc-group.com> Folks, Missy is fired up to work on her New Way now! She picked up a New Way muffler at Portland and all that is needed now is to get it on a cart, a fan assy, and the shroud. If anyone has a lead on a fan assy (original or repopped) or the shroud please let us know. Anyone know the year of manufacture? Here is the tag info: 2 1/2 HP Model C Type C RPM: Reg. 450 Var. 300 - 600 Serial number: 3595 Year ???? Base is hinged with 2 bolts below the front name plate. Bosch mag Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Sep 1 10:38:56 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:38:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M References: <000f01c48eb3$0c453990$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: Preciate the info John. We picked it up yesterday and now it's sitting in my shop. Turned out to be a horse and a half "M." 1921 according to your list. Will get pictures soon. later, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC 3hp M > Hi Rick he always is welcome and since he has an ignitor > fired one he will get a nice and quietly running engine when > it's done. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Howdy all; > > Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real > > nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension > > mag > > and igniter. > > Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other > > than > > that, she should run. > > > > Thanks much!! > > RickinMt. > > PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 1 10:38:13 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:38:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <007c01c4904a$750d44c0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 4:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 > it isn't all that old. > So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the > company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. > Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size > or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. > For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto > has a 1922 date stamped on it. > I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on > multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number > on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 > intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have > found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll > keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine > more. > What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? > George Hi George, Montberthault is a small town on the Cote D'Or (Gold Coast) with a population of 283. Probably a small firm that used to be there! Dave croft From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 10:53:02 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:53:02 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: Thanks John, It appears I'd better call this engine a "Thierry" rather than a DUX. DUX could be the model. I doubt the French book has "all" the French engines ever made. Sort of like the BYB/BRB books don't have all the American engines. If you come across a book vendor selling the French engine book I'd like to get one. I've now got two French engines, have my eye on what is supposed to be a French sideshaft in Nebraska, and would love to own some of the French engines Harry and I saw on our EHOWT. Thanks, George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > John Hammink > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:13 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine > > Hi George, > > Glad you got the engine home, so Harry is happy too. > I got a hind about that brand and looked up some pics in my > photo files. Two years ago I took them at a little local show > at the Maritime Museum at Groningen. Can't remember the specs > or the owner of the engine. Seems to methis one is older. > Tomorrow morning early we will drive to our club's 5th > lustrum show at Barchem, a 3? hour drive. 5 days show time, > the last we will do this season. Will try to find out > something about the engine for you. There also is a new book > about all the French engines ever made, I read in the last > club magazine. Could ask one of the sellers what is in the > book about this engine. > Pics can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Thierry.htm > Will talk to you next week again. From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 11:00:17 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:00:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: > Hi George, Montberthault is a small town on the Cote D'Or (Gold Coast) > with a population of 283. > Probably a small firm that used to be there! > Dave croft Thanks Dave! I was thinking Cote D'Or was a city, but now I realize that Montberthault is the city and Cote D'Or is the area. French geography isn't one of my areas of knowledge and generally I am not a fan of the French. But they made some very interesting engines, especially the early years. George From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Sep 1 11:04:53 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:04:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <002301c4904e$31a37020$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Very nice George!! I wonder how always find more of these oddballs;-) Oh the photo's look very familiar, even the background;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > > This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 > it isn't all that old. > > So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the > company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. > > Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size > or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. > For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto > has a 1922 date stamped on it. > > I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on > multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number > on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 > intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have > found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll > keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine > more. > > What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? > > George > > Ps... While most of you were away enjoying the Portland show, I rejoined > SEL. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 1 11:18:24 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:18:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> <41360056.4090604@udata.com> Message-ID: <41361270.403@imc-group.com> Leroy, How about the old fashioned Marvel Mystery Oil? It's claim to fame was/is top cylinder lubrication, valves, etc. So far we've got suggestions for coal oil, teflon powder lubricant, anti-seize, Gibbs, PB Blaster, and diesel detergent oil. I think that's all of them. I've got the Gibbs, teflon powder, anti-seize, and Marvel Mystery Oil at home. I'll do some experimenting. Thanks for all the great suggestions! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Ted, Charles Stickney's thoughts on an external ignitor were to keep the ignitor cool so as not to burn the points. Believe that is part of the problem, it never gets hot enough to burn off deposits! Is Stickney indeed the only manufacturer of engines to have an external ignitor? Leroy C. wrote: > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > >> R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline >> appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. >> Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've started >> to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and the >> igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the moon! >> >> Joe >> >> >> > Joe, an old timer long ago told me to mix tranny fluid into my fuel > for the old engins, but I forgot to do this sometime ago. He only > mixed about an ounce or two to a gallon of petro. Is this what you mean > From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 1 11:22:47 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Harry Terpstra > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 11:05 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine > Oh the photo's look very familiar, even the background;-) I wonder why? ;-) Actually I could take some new photos, but yours were handy. George From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Wed Sep 1 11:23:05 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:23:05 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: <001801c49046$fbca8300$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003d01c49050$c1be8ad0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Wow that is a nice restoration!! He John have you ever seen that engine again an any show? I can't recall seeing it before. By the looks of it, it is a (very) small engine? I like the mixer on that engine;-) Hope to see you in Barchem next Saturday or Sunday, Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Latest engine > Hi George, > > Glad you got the engine home, so Harry is happy too. > I got a hind about that brand and looked up some pics in my > photo files. Two years ago I took them at a little local show > at the Maritime Museum at Groningen. Can't remember the > specs or the owner of the engine. Seems to methis one is older. > Tomorrow morning early we will drive to our club's 5th lustrum > show at Barchem, a 3? hour drive. 5 days show time, the last > we will do this season. Will try to find out something about the > engine for you. There also is a new book about all the French > engines ever made, I read in the last club magazine. Could ask > one of the sellers what is in the book about this engine. > Pics can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Thierry.htm > Will talk to you next week again. > > All the best, > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > > engine. > > > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 1 12:15:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? In-Reply-To: <41361270.403@imc-group.com> References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> <41360056.4090604@udata.com> <41361270.403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt & Ted, Can you guys say a bit more about what an "external ignitor" is, how it works, and how it differs from a conventional "internal" ignitor? This is a new term to me. I've seen a number of Stickneys, but somehow I missed this detail. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > P.S. Ted, Charles Stickney's thoughts on an external ignitor were to > keep the ignitor cool so as not to burn the points. Believe that is part > of the problem, it never gets hot enough to burn off deposits! Is > Stickney indeed the only manufacturer of engines to have an external > ignitor? From cjclem at sysim.net Wed Sep 1 16:20:58 2004 From: cjclem at sysim.net (Jack) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 18:20:58 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stickney Ignitors Message-ID: <1094080858.4136595aa1791@webmail.sysim.net> They use linear motion instead of oscillating like most spring snap ignitors. The combustion gases are pushed by compression into a hollow T where the linear rod makes contact with fixed ground & spark occurs. It is just that the points are not inside bore area like many. The body is outside the engine as others, even those piston trip on McVickers & Edwards. Hope this clears it up some. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 1 15:27:27 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:27:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <20040901.101915.796.0.jlb94@juno.com> <4135DBB2.000004.01868@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <009701c49081$daa8e820$0100007f@athlon> Oh! I like the thinking! A few beers makes me 'eccentric' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Hmmmm, I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our engines, you know the ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" From BetCleve321 at aol.com Wed Sep 1 17:26:37 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:26:37 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? Message-ID: In a message dated 9/1/2004 3:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Can you guys say a bit more about what an "external ignitor" is, how it works, and how it differs from a conventional "internal" ignitor? This is a new term to me. I've seen a number of Stickneys, but somehow I missed this detail. Thanks. See ya, Arnie I'll betcha that an internal ignitor operates from a whack from the piston whilest an external one gete its urge from an external whack from a hammer triggered by the ignitor being released by so on and so on ect.. Skip From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 17:37:18 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:37:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? References: Message-ID: <41366B3E.000003.03812@NOTEBOOK> External Ignitor = Blonde walking past the table outside the restaurant Internal Ignitor = Blonde walking past the table inside the restaurant Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/01/04 20:32:35 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: External Igniters? In a message dated 9/1/2004 3:41:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, fero_ah at city-net.com writes: Can you guys say a bit more about what an "external ignitor" is, how it works, and how it differs from a conventional "internal" ignitor? This is a new term to me. I've seen a number of Stickneys, but somehow I missed this detail. Thanks. See ya, Arnie I'll betcha that an internal ignitor operates from a whack from the piston whilest an external one gete its urge from an external whack from a hammer triggered by the ignitor being released by so on and so on ect.. Skip _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From bill at antique-engines.com Wed Sep 1 17:52:09 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:52:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <009701c49081$daa8e820$0100007f@athlon> Message-ID: <008a01c49087$17212790$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Ole Reg has got 'is wobbly boots on again............. -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Reg & Margaret Ingold Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 5:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Oh! I like the thinking! A few beers makes me 'eccentric' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters Hmmmm, I think it means "wobbly", like those little wobbly gears on our engines, you know the ones, someone once told me they were "eccentric" _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Wed Sep 1 18:03:03 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:03:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters In-Reply-To: <41361270.403@imc-group.com> References: <002701c4902b$b2c70f40$4acc940c@mcness.com> <41360056.4090604@udata.com> <41361270.403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <41367147.6010206@scrtc.com> Curt, Springfield igniters fire outside the cylinder. I'm sure there are others. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Curt Holland wrote: > Leroy, > How about the old fashioned Marvel Mystery Oil? It's claim to fame > was/is top cylinder lubrication, valves, etc. > So far we've got suggestions for coal oil, teflon powder lubricant, > anti-seize, Gibbs, PB Blaster, and diesel detergent oil. I think > that's all of them. I've got the Gibbs, teflon powder, anti-seize, and > Marvel Mystery Oil at home. I'll do some experimenting. Thanks for all > the great suggestions! > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Ted, Charles Stickney's thoughts on an external ignitor were to > keep the ignitor cool so as not to burn the points. Believe that is > part of the problem, it never gets hot enough to burn off deposits! Is > Stickney indeed the only manufacturer of engines to have an external > ignitor? > > Leroy C. wrote: > >> Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: >> >>> R.E. lubricating igniters: it's a good question since our gasoline >>> appears to be getting much worse. I was using Gibbs or PB blaster. >>> Don't know if Gibbs is better but it costs more. Lately I've >>> started to add stuff to the gasoline and use regular motor oil and >>> the igniters have behaved better. Possibly the right phase of the >>> moon! >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> >> Joe, an old timer long ago told me to mix tranny fluid into my fuel >> for the old engins, but I forgot to do this sometime ago. He only >> mixed about an ounce or two to a gallon of petro. Is this what you mean >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From asouth at strato.net Wed Sep 1 18:17:50 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur & Deana Southwell) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:17:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT another hurricane Message-ID: <01ac01c4908a$aac23f40$0100a8c0@emachine> Good morning lists. As you probably know, we have another hurricane bearing down on East coast of Fla. Gale force winds extend out 140 miles from the center. We are 101 miles from the East coast. IF it hits us with any winds over 50 MPH my goose is cooked as far as my shop goes. The house probably won't stand up to much wind this time either. I'll let you know our condition as soon as I can after the storm passes. Any thing like 2 weeks ago and it will be a while. We were without phone service almost 2 weeks. To keep the mail box from getting clogged, I'll unsubscribe from the lists Friday or Saturday. Our hearts go out to the folks up North along the Atlantic Seaboard who got hit a couple of days ago. I hope Frances doesn't get to you and cause more destruction. Y'all take care, C'ya, AMS Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From Aermoter at aol.com Wed Sep 1 18:46:20 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:46:20 EDT Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine Message-ID: Hi Curt, if your unable to find those parts let me know and I can take them off of mine and send them to you to reproduce. I don't know of anyone repo'ing them. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 19:13:24 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:13:24 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Hey, pretty quiet out there!!! Now that I've got this Economy running I'm wondering which way to go with her. Is it better to clean & paint or leave her all original???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Wed Sep 1 19:15:26 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:15:26 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] New list member Message-ID: <20040902021526.21863.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Joe Hahahahah, nice one honest Joe, glad you joined the list and said what everyone else is too scared to say.... How long did you say you wanted to be on the list? Eccentric? hahaha most definitely, just hang around here and you'll find out. Arnie & Dave eccentric?.... hahahaha. Arnie a little bit, Dave a whole lot, strewth where's my pills.... Graham in Oz Hi Folks, I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here goes. Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little eccentric but then who isn't? Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 1 19:22:56 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:22:56 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley 2 HP Message-ID: <001401c49093$c2ce0390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Does anyone have a good picture of the rocker arm/head/valve actuating arm for a 2 HP Sattley. Seems it is different than the 1 1/2 HP Sattley. I'm talking about the later solid flywheel type Sattley, sometimes called the New Sattley. Started the 1 3/4 and 2 HP about 1930 and the plug goes into the side of the head instead of the front. Any help is appreciated and I'll pass it on to the man that inquired to me. Off list is fine as well as large files. He has to make a rocker arm, so detail is important. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From skipl at montana.com Wed Sep 1 20:24:18 2004 From: skipl at montana.com (skip landis) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 21:24:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC 3hp M References: <000f01c48eb3$0c453990$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <41369262.406D55D@montana.com> rick, the columbia falls show is next weekend, hope to see you there. skip Richard Strobel wrote: > Preciate the info John. We picked it up yesterday and now it's sitting in > my shop. Turned out to be a horse and a half "M." 1921 according to your > list. > > Will get pictures soon. > later, > Rick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] IHC 3hp M > > > Hi Rick he always is welcome and since he has an ignitor > > fired one he will get a nice and quietly running engine when > > it's done. > > > > John Hammink > > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > > > > > Howdy all; > > > Well my machinist bud Spudhead finally got the bug. Got himself a real > > > nice 3hp M for 60 bucks...aarrgghhhh!!! It's got the IHC low tension > > > mag > > > and igniter. > > > Any helpful hints out there? I believe the valves are stuck...other > > > than > > > that, she should run. > > > > > > Thanks much!! > > > RickinMt. > > > PS: Mr. Hammink..I've sic'd him on your site. Thanks much!!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Wed Sep 1 20:27:02 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:27:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint color In-Reply-To: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <41369306.6010805@udata.com> Gday Anyone with a paint color and number for the Gade engin. Thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 20:26:51 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:26:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <20040901.233154.412.7.jlb94@juno.com> Leave her all original - Bob At least for a couple years then some cold winter night - she'll keep ya warm whilst you taker her all apart and give her a face lift. It's like taking a new girl to the show. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jdohagan at comcast.net Wed Sep 1 20:37:51 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 20:37:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sattley 2 HP In-Reply-To: <001401c49093$c2ce0390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200409020337.i823bsa6014318@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Jeff, Starbolt lists one for a 2HP solid flywheel Sattley. Ask some questions first, but it sure beats building one from scratch. CYA, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:23 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Sattley 2 HP Hello all, Does anyone have a good picture of the rocker arm/head/valve actuating arm for a 2 HP Sattley. Seems it is different than the 1 1/2 HP Sattley. I'm talking about the later solid flywheel type Sattley, sometimes called the New Sattley. Started the 1 3/4 and 2 HP about 1930 and the plug goes into the side of the head instead of the front. Any help is appreciated and I'll pass it on to the man that inquired to me. Off list is fine as well as large files. He has to make a rocker arm, so detail is important. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Wed Sep 1 20:49:12 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 3:49:12 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift Message-ID: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> I didn't make it to Portland this year, but my friend Dick Gibbens went and brought me back a gift, a cordless drill. This is a nice one, manufactured by Cole, it's complete, had some surface rust but cleaned up nice, most of the original paint is still on it. I missed a few of these on E-bay, was second highest bidder on a couple, glad to get this one. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 1 21:00:08 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 06:00:08 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Paint color References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41369306.6010805@udata.com> Message-ID: <000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Leroy, according Wendel's book: Old style: Dark green 75874. New style: Red 660. Du Pont #. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Gday > Anyone with a paint color and number for the Gade engin. Thanks > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 1 21:16:03 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:16:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040902.011049.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Guys, Yesterday - I responded to one of Curt's posts and I said that I was doing something really "stupid" - I just didn't know what it was. Figuring I shorted the capacitor somehow, I took the Briggs flywheel off and started poking around again. After disconnecting the capacitor from the points I figured it was okay. While having the ohm meter at hand I (for some reason) decided to check the points with the ohm meter. NOTHING ! - Huh ? - Yep, - NOTHING !!! Wait a minute ! What's wrong here. I set them at .020. Someone told me the points setting for all Briggs is .020. Even the manual says .020. Looking closer with my OTHER BLIND EYE, I discovered what the ohm meter was telling me - - - MY POINTS AREN'T CLOSING !!! After setting them - again (with both blind eyes ) This time so they close - and putting everything back together - again - I now had spark. WELL, I'LL BE !!! Yep - It's running again !!! I told you I was doing something really "stupid". Thanks to all who helped. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From russell at ncable.com.au Thu Sep 2 04:00:47 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:00:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine In-Reply-To: <41360821.5050005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040902205841.00b68740@mail.ncable.com.au> G'day Curt, my father did a repo for mine using my stuffed old shroud as a patern. It could be an option for you if all else fails. Will be plus post from Australia how ever. Let us know how you go. Russell At 01:34 PM 1/09/2004 -0400, you wrote: > Folks, >Missy is fired up to work on her New Way now! She picked up a New Way >muffler at Portland and all that is needed now is to get it on a cart, a >fan assy, and the shroud. > >If anyone has a lead on a fan assy (original or repopped) or the shroud >please let us know. > >Anyone know the year of manufacture? Here is the tag info: > >2 1/2 HP >Model C >Type C >RPM: Reg. 450 Var. 300 - 600 >Serial number: 3595 >Year ???? >Base is hinged with 2 bolts below the front name plate. >Bosch mag > >Thanks, >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 06:23:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: Hiya J.B., Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that show some pretty inventive setups for using one. http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf He also has some nice pics and a bit of background at http://rustyiron.com/engines/coledrill/index.html See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 jbcast at charter.net wrote: > I didn't make it to Portland this year, but my friend Dick Gibbens went > and brought me back a gift, a cordless drill. This is a nice one, > manufactured by Cole, it's complete, had some surface rust but cleaned > up nice, most of the original paint is still on it. From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 2 00:48:58 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:48:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] English Rally Programs Message-ID: <001401c490c1$4de41e60$0f856ad5@zen> If any of you would like to see what a show is like over here I have 4 copies of the program for Onslow Park Rally. It would probably be better for me to post all 4 copies to one person & let him distribute them. There are only 72 stationary engines but you can see the large variety of exhibits at one of our shows. Dave Croft. Warrington. England. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 06:56:00 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:56:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Bob, Could you tell us more about the current condition of the engine? Is there a mix of original paint blended with the patina of well oiled cast iron showing thru? Perhaps a faded but still visable Economy logo.... Is some of the pinstriping still there? If this is the case then I would certainly leave it original. However, if it is a rusty lump with no paint anymore it needs some painting TLC. Or if it has been repainted in the past it needs some painting TLC. A lot of us Americans are lazy when it comes to engine painting. I've seen lots of engines at shows that look like crap because the owner was just not motivated to clean and/or paint the engine. Based on the engine pictures our European friends post, it is apparent the art of elbow grease, hard work, and craftsmanship is alive and well there. You'll not see a shabby engine on their side of the pond. Most are spendidly prepared and painted with a high quality paint. We could all learn a thing or two from our European freinds. If you embark on the path of repainting your Economy, you need to decide to what extent you will refinish her. There are guys that blast and simply paint the engines as the casting are, imperfections and all. This is NOT the quality of finish the engines left the factory with. The manufacturers had some "paste" they used to fill in the casting imperfections with before painting them. That original product is not available but modern (and superior) products such as body filler and Icing do a great job. While slicking an engine is a lot of work there is some merit to doing at least the water hopper. When you buy the replacement decals (either water transfer or stick on) the translucent background will turn invisible on a nice slick/smooth surface. Decals placed on a as cast and painted surface look pretty bad as the "translucent" portion of the decal takes on a white look to it. Glenn Karch can advise you on the proper decal for your year of Economy. As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a good looker or a trophy gal? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Bob Jacobs wrote: > Hey, pretty quiet out there!!! > > > >Now that I've got this Economy running I'm wondering which way to go with >her. > > > >Is it better to clean & paint or leave her all original???? > > > >Bob > >Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > >others just use the initials! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Sep 2 07:11:45 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:11:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine References: <41360821.5050005@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <061f01c490f6$c778e500$0301a8c0@ALEC> Hi Curt, I talked with Missy about her engine. It is a 1910-11 vintage. I have a shroud for a 2.5 to 3.5 hp vert. I made up extras when I got mine done. I will have to take some measurments and see if they are the same or perhaps some of our real knowledgeable ( thats real smart for some of you off center eccentric folks) folks can save us the trouble . Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "SEL(new)" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:34 PM Subject: [SEL] Missy's New Way engine > Folks, > Missy is fired up to work on her New Way now! She picked up a New Way > muffler at Portland and all that is needed now is to get it on a cart, a > fan assy, and the shroud. > > If anyone has a lead on a fan assy (original or repopped) or the shroud > please let us know. > > Anyone know the year of manufacture? Here is the tag info: > > 2 1/2 HP > Model C > Type C > RPM: Reg. 450 Var. 300 - 600 > Serial number: 3595 > Year ???? > Base is hinged with 2 bolts below the front name plate. > Bosch mag > > Thanks, > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 2 07:56:59 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:56:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <413734BB.000001.02164@NOTEBOOK> Hello Curt Thanks for your input. I guess the easiest way to go is if you'd send me your address I'll send you back some pics. I'm not sure how to do it through the list here. Bob From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 2 07:57:18 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:57:18 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford engine? Message-ID: I've got the opportunity to add another European engine to my collection. This is what I'm guessing to be a 5hp size Bamford engine (English). Rather nice looking engine with an odd shaped pushrod with a "U" shape which passes under the Webster Tri-polar mag and ignitor. Only thing about the engine I'm not wild about it that it is throttle governed rather than hit&miss. I know that years ago Kenny Wolf had a smaller one for sale at Portland, so I'm sure there are a few Bamford's in the U.S. although I'm sure they are not common here. Just curious as to what's the ballpark value of these engines in the U.K. and what do you think they are worth in the U.S.? (I realize value is whatever someone is willing to pay) I'm thinking I can get this one for $1500 to $2000. Just don't want to spend that much then find out they are a $500 engine in the U.K. George From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 2 07:58:13 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:58:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <41373505.000003.02164@NOTEBOOK> Hey Curt, Well, She sat in the orchard on her side for lord knows how many years til my dad & I rescued her. The original buzz rig fell apart as we tried to rescue it, to the point the wood powdered when touched. She's still a greasy old girl and looks like both the original undercoat and final coat of paint are partially intact. I got her running in the "found" condition and at the least I think I should probably give her a good steam bath to see exactly what's left there. No traces of original decals are to be seen anywhere. I don't really know the year of her but her serial # is 28177. I don't know how to mail you off list here (computer illiterate ya know) but if you'd send me your address I'll happily return some pics to you. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 2 08:14:59 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:14:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1094138099.413738f387e4c@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting George Best : > I've got the opportunity to add another European engine to my > collection. > > This is what I'm guessing to be a 5hp size Bamford engine (English). > > Rather nice looking engine with an odd shaped pushrod with a "U" shape > which passes under the Webster Tri-polar mag and ignitor. > > Only thing about the engine I'm not wild about it that it is throttle > governed rather than hit&miss. > > I know that years ago Kenny Wolf had a smaller one for sale at Portland, > so I'm sure there are a few Bamford's in the U.S. although I'm sure they > are not common here. > > Just curious as to what's the ballpark value of these engines in the > U.K. and what do you think they are worth in the U.S.? (I realize value > is whatever someone is willing to pay) > > I'm thinking I can get this one for $1500 to $2000. Just don't want to > spend that much then find out they are a $500 engine in the U.K. > > George The 'Tulip Top' hopper Bamford is probably the most collectable, and the big 10hp the most rare of the Bamfords. Yours is probably an ?800 - ?1000 engine over here, certainly not a $500 one. Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 08:22:21 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Your post has brought up one of the more interesting topics that surfaces from time to time on the list. I'll intersperse my comments among Curt's. On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > Could you tell us more about the current condition of the engine? Is > there a mix of original paint blended with the patina of well oiled cast > iron showing thru? Perhaps a faded but still visable Economy logo.... Is > some of the pinstriping still there? If this is the case then I would > certainly leave it original. One of the greatest tradegies in the hobby is when someone has an engine with faded original paint, striping, decal, etc. and they sandblast that to do a cosmetic restoration. A hand wipe using a 50-50 mix of kero and NON-detergent motor oil brings up that faded color & decal and darkens the rusty bits leaving a soft shine. A more permanent effect can be obtained by wiping on a THIN coat of boiled linseed oil. The engine, of course, must be clean for that treatment. Gunk is a great de-greaser. > However, if it is a rusty lump with no paint anymore it needs some > painting TLC. Ahhhh, there's the rub... SOME folks (like Curt and Dave R.) do fantastic full gloss restorations of engines. Some folks even spend more on paint than on the engine itself. Fortunatly there is room in the hobby for "pretty engines." Some folks even prefer 'em that way. 8-)) BUT, and this bit is VERY important, SOME folks prefer to see the engines in their "working clothes." This can be "barn fresh" with grease, straw, and chicken droppings still attached or can be a cleaned "rusty lump" that's been given the oil & kero or linseed oil treatment. A great place to see this variety is at Portland in the OFES area. Note that you'll also see "full gloss" restorations there too. And you'll also hear them referred to by some as being "tarted up like a two-dollar whore." 8-)) > A lot of us Americans are lazy when it comes to engine painting. I've > seen lots of engines at shows that look like crap because the owner was > just not motivated to clean and/or paint the engine. This is, of course, just one man's opinion. See above. > Based on the engine > pictures our European friends post, it is apparent the art of elbow > grease, hard work, and craftsmanship is alive and well there. You'll not > see a shabby engine on their side of the pond. Most are spendidly > prepared and painted with a high quality paint. We could all learn a > thing or two from our European freinds. Having attended a lot of English engine rallies I can say that things there are just the same as here. Full gloss sitting beside barn fresh on the same rally field. Perhaps Curt only remembers the full gloss beauties? Or perhaps his judgement is skewed by the fact that some punters tend to photograph the glossy babes more than the others? 8-)) > If you embark on the path of repainting your Economy, you need to decide > to what extent you will refinish her. > There are guys that blast and simply paint the engines as the casting > are, imperfections and all. This is NOT the quality of finish the > engines left the factory with. The manufacturers had some "paste" they > used to fill in the casting imperfections with before painting them. > That original product is not available but modern (and superior) > products such as body filler and Icing do a great job. SOME engines left the factory with a filler applied to the casting before painting. But some did not. Especially when competition heated up in the engine market and companies attempted to reduce costs. It depends on the engine. As you clean the engine you should get an idea which sort yours was. If you find traces of the clay-based filler, then you're pretty safe in doing a glossy, filled restoration. Glenn Karch is the best authority on what the Economy engines would have looked like leaving the factory. > While slicking an engine is a lot of work there is some merit to doing > at least the water hopper. When you buy the replacement decals (either > water transfer or stick on) the translucent background will turn > invisible on a nice slick/smooth surface. Decals placed on a as cast and > painted surface look pretty bad as the "translucent" portion of the > decal takes on a white look to it. That bit is good advice. There is one clear downside to investing a lot of work, money, etc. in slicking up an engine. Many who do become paranoid about getting so much as a scratch on that "perfect finish." They don't run the engine, they doen't even add gas or oil. They wrap the engine in layers of protective quilts and avoid the rain. In short, they have a beautiful woman with perfect hair, makeup, and nails who rejects all attention for fear of getting something "mussed." No "slap & tickle" in the back seat for that gal. 8-)) Personally, I like to play with my toys. My engines run rain or shine or I'm working on them to get 'em running again. Working engines are also more fun for the spectators. What's the point in having an engine belted up to a water pump or buzz saw and being afraid to pump water or buzz firewood for fear of "scratching the paint" or getting it dirty. That surely wasn't the position taken by the farmer when he uncrated that glossy new engine. He worked the sumbitch. So as you can see there are passionate advocates for all sorts of restorations. And more importantly there is room in the hobby for all sorts of engines; full gloss AND rusty lumps. Do what pleases YOU and most importantly, take the engine out to as many shows as you can afford to attend and RUN the damn thing. There's the real fun!! 8-)) One more point that wasn't covered is the mechanical aspect. Before you do "cosmetics" make sure that the engine is as right mechanically as you can get it. As to preserving "farmer repairs", I'm generally in favor of that. But it is important to include a description of the repair in your display and show folks what it should look like. Many of these repairs were pretty clever. The "Swamp Sparta" comes to mind as a classic example. > As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a > good looker or a trophy gal? Or as Jim & Dolly would say "totty or slapper." 8-)) See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 08:29:50 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <41373505.000003.02164@NOTEBOOK> References: <41373505.000003.02164@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: Hi Bob, > She's still a greasy old girl and looks like both the original undercoat > and final coat of paint are partially intact. I got her running in the > "found" condition and at the least I think I should probably give her > a good steam bath to see exactly what's left there. No traces > of original decals are to be seen anywhere. You might want to take a gentler approach to start. Steam cleaning would remove the old grease and oil, but might also blast off some remaining paint. I like to go easy on a new engine with a bucket of kero and a brush. It's slower and messier but less aggressive. You may be surprised at what shows up under that old grease. You can always steam clean later. You'd feel really bad to spot pieces of decal & paint sitting in the drain at the steam cleaners. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 08:37:49 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Bamford engine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I just bought a 3 hp Tulip Top Bamford. It's a newer one with a Wico mag and is hit & miss. It's in perfect running condition on an excellent cart. I'll send you some pics from my other email addy. It just arrived in Pittsburgh yesterday. I need to pay bail to get her free. 8-)) They're great engines and not very common on this side of the pond. What hopper style does yours have? I don't think I've seen one that was a throttler or one in 5 hp. Does anyone have a copy of the A to Zed handy? See ya, Arnie PS - My Bamford is a "pretty" one... 8-)) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > This is what I'm guessing to be a 5hp size Bamford engine (English). > > Rather nice looking engine with an odd shaped pushrod with a "U" shape > which passes under the Webster Tri-polar mag and ignitor. > > Only thing about the engine I'm not wild about it that it is throttle > governed rather than hit&miss. From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 2 08:35:48 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:35:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > SOME folks (like Curt and Dave R.) do fantastic full gloss > restorations of engines. Some folks even spend more on paint > than on the engine itself. > Fortunatly there is room in the hobby for "pretty engines." Arnie, You mean "girly engines"? ;-) George From flywheelin at hotmail.com Thu Sep 2 08:47:14 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:47:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures Message-ID: I have completed a small page with a few pictures I took this year at the Buckley, Michigan show. http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html Hope you enjoy looking at them. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 09:03:08 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:03:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Butt Paste Message-ID: <4137443C.4000303@imc-group.com> Those at the Portland charity auction know all about this stuff! I was humored to see it show up on Netscape this morning! Curt Holland Gastonia, NC http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/usmain.jsp?feature=paste0804 From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 2 09:11:23 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:11:23 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <4137462B.000013.01084@NOTEBOOK> Great pics Luke, and thanks a ton for the info you sent me. Gotta hit the road now for the weekend Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 2 09:37:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Nahhhh, THIS is a "girly engine", errrr, motor... 8-)) http://www.insulate.co.uk/helen/news.htm See ya, Arnie On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > > Fortunatly there is room in the hobby for "pretty engines." > > Arnie, > > You mean "girly engines"? ;-) > > George From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 09:59:09 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:59:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What followed me home. Message-ID: <4137515D.7000002@imc-group.com> Haven't heard much about what followed the Portland pilgrims home this year so I'll start with one and then ask a question about it that I need some advice on. At the spring swap meet I bought a synchronous generator that make 60 cycles 115 volt power at 52 amps continuos. At the fall Portland show I was looking for a prime mover for it. I looked at some of the Kabota diesels at $900 that were missing the flywheels, starters, and alternators. There were also some sweet 2 cylinder Vee, 17HP Kiwasakee(sp?) engines for $700. Then I found her! A WWII vintage Hercules 4 cylinder stand alone power plant that ran. It was cheap and best of all, it's a kewl looking motor. Looks old, flat head, lots of neat stuff to look at. So home it followed... After her poor starter motor took a swim in Lake Portland I figured I better take that apart and dry the arm and field windings in the oven. I gave the entire engine a good pressure washing and dried the generator too. Missy didn't even grumble (much) when I dried the parts in the oven. Last night I reassembled the starter and generator. Before putting them back on I replaced a leaky valve lifter cover gasket with a new home made cork one. At the show the engine seemed to be running very lean so I took the carb apart and sure enough there was some old gas gum clogging some tiny holes. Everything is back together and she is running great now. (Jim Dunmeyer-mine now runs a little rich too-expecially at slower rpms) I've just finished sketching up an adapter plate to mount the synchronous generator to the bell housing of the Hercules motor. I still need to design the coupling between the flywheel and the synchronous generator. This synchronous generator does not have a bearing on the input side of the shaft. It is designed to be supported by the shaft that is driving it. On the Hercules engine's flywheel are 4 bolt studs sticking out of the face of the flywheel. The there was a plate slid over these studs with big rubber bushings/grommets between the studs and the plate. A nuts squeezed and expanded the rubber to make it a tight fit within the plate. I imagine all this was done to remove power pulses. It would be a whole lot easier to design a solid coupler from the flywheel face to the input shaft of the synchronous generator. But my question is, does anyone know if the power pulses are significant enough to do damage to the armature windings on the synchronous generator? Was this elaborate rubber bushings and floating plate a necessity to make the original synchronous generator last? Or was it simply a coupling to handle misalignment? I think most car clutches have some sort of springs system to remove power pulses. What are your thoughts? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. What followed y'all home? From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 2 10:19:42 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:19:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT another hurricane Message-ID: <1cb.2a030c34.2e68b02e@aol.com> Arthur, Best of luck to you in the coming storm. It sure looks like Florida is going to take the brunt of Francis at this time. Been following closely as we are headed to North Carolina and the Outer Banks in the morning. So far it looks ok. Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From jbcast at charter.net Thu Sep 2 10:46:10 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 17:46:10 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill Message-ID: <3a57rt$7mda41@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. > Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that > show some pretty inventive setups for using one. > http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf > > He also has some nice pics and a bit of background at > http://rustyiron.com/engines/coledrill/index.html > > See ya, Arnie > Thanks for the site, Arnie. Thanks for posting it Rob. The vise was included, I haven't cleaned it up yet, wasn't even sure it was part of the drill. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 2 11:21:00 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 14:21:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4137648C.5000401@imc-group.com> Bob, After looking at a few pictures of your engine it is going to be a tough decision on leaving it "as is" or repainting. What do you guys think about touching up a little paint to "improve the look". We've got a fellow in our club that is a master at this. He will mix up a little "faded" paint, spray the areas in need of help, and later skuff it with scotch brite to dull the paint and to expose some of the cast iron under it. This exposed cast rusts and the result is very nice looking. Curt Holland Arnie Fero wrote: >Hi Bob, > >Your post has brought up one of the more interesting topics that surfaces >from time to time on the list. I'll intersperse my comments among Curt's. > >On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Curt Holland wrote: > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 2 04:00:09 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:00:09 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" References: <20040902.011049.848.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000401c49132$793f4b40$6c111bd3@athlon> When all else fails, go back to basics. It IS there, you just missed it last time!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" > Hi Guys, > > Yesterday - I responded to one of Curt's posts and I said that I was > doing something really "stupid" - I just didn't know what it was. > > Figuring I shorted the capacitor somehow, I took the Briggs flywheel off > and started > poking around again. After disconnecting the capacitor from the points I > figured it was okay. > > While having the ohm meter at hand I (for some reason) decided to check > the points with the ohm meter. NOTHING ! - Huh ? - Yep, - NOTHING !!! > > Wait a minute ! What's wrong here. I set them at .020. Someone told me > the points setting for all Briggs is .020. Even the manual says .020. > > Looking closer with my OTHER BLIND EYE, I discovered what the ohm meter > was telling me - - - MY POINTS AREN'T CLOSING !!! > > After setting them - again (with both blind eyes ) This time so they > close - and putting everything back together - again - I now had spark. > WELL, I'LL BE !!! > > Yep - It's running again !!! > I told you I was doing something really "stupid". From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 2 03:52:52 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:52:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <000301c49132$78ba8ae0$6c111bd3@athlon> Hey Bob, you are the only one who can decide what YOUR engine looks like. There are as many different views as there are engine nuts!! So, do YOUR thing with it. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Hey, pretty quiet out there!!! Now that I've got this Economy running I'm wondering which way to go with her. Is it better to clean & paint or leave her all original???? From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Sep 2 08:05:17 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:05:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> arnie, ref-> http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf < what engine is getting a hole drilled in the hopper? page 3- lower RH pic. is it on a well drilling rig or ??? marv in minn ( i have both the vise and drill :-)) > Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. > Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that > show some pretty inventive setups for using one. > http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf > From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu Sep 2 06:14:36 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:14:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 2hp Sattely Rocker Arm Message-ID: <001701c490ee$cc171ee0$cccc940c@mcness.com> Jeff, My nephew has a Sattely engine like you describe but I don't know if the plug is in the front or side. If it's the one you need, I'll have him send you a photo via email. Regards, Joe From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 2 17:36:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:36:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <05bd01c4914e$0f284330$0400a8c0@Dave> > > As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a > > good looker or a trophy gal? > Or as Jim & Dolly would say "totty or slapper." 8-)) > See ya, Arnie The problem with MANY in our hobby is that they think it's ONE or the OTHER. I choose to have BOTH in (and that can be the SAME engine!) Dave PS, "Run in the rain" indeed. If my engines didn't run in the rain it would ONLY be because they ran out of gasoline and I didn't run out of beer in time to realize that fact! From toadhill at aeroinc.net Thu Sep 2 05:57:23 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 07:57:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] "Stuff" in the Gas Message-ID: <000e01c490ec$6473aa80$cccc940c@mcness.com> To Leroy and Curt. Been experimenting with adding synthetic two cycle oil or lead replacement to the gas. Both seem to help. I have a 2hp Bullseye with the intake valve hidden in a cage. Can't oil it from the outside without removing a nut (not the one running the engine). If I don't put something in the oil, it sticks tight overnight. I'm looking for a sure fire solution if someone has it. I still oil the igniters ever hour or so while the engines are running. It was great to meet you guys at Portland. Leroy, the Christensen engine was sold by the time I found it - thanks for the tip though. Joe From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 2 18:32:47 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:32:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409030132.i831Wsa6034755@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > has an engine with faded original paint, striping, decal, etc. and they > sandblast that to do a cosmetic restoration. Philosophically, I hear what you're saying and agree wholeheartedly. > Gunk is a great de-greaser. On this point, I must stand up and yell, "Bollocks! Fie on Gunk!" As you will recall, Hendrik, our Lorenz, has a fair amount of original red paint and is quite handsome. When he arrived in our driveway, he still had a lot of grease and animal hair covering him. If you've heard this before, just hit "delete" now. After a little gentle scraping, I hosed Hendrik down with Gunk. I came back in a little while and rubbed my finger on his paint to see how the Gunk was coming along. I about soiled my britches when my finger came back with paint on it!!!! I immediately got the hose and washed off the Gunk. If I "almost" soiled my britches before, I filled them to the waistline when I saw that the lovely red paint and turned PINK. Luckily, patting dry with a soft cloth and a gentle massage with warm linseed oil brought back the color to Hendrik's paint. The whole episode probably knocked five years off my life, and I'm damned lucky that the damage was not permanent. Gunk is fine for your 1977 Ford Pinto with a leaking rocker arm cover gasket, but keep it away from anything of value. That's just my opinion... Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 2 18:35:30 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:35:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <4137CA62.1060305@scrtc.com> Marv, Thats probably about a 6 or 8 HP Bull Dog engine. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: >arnie, >ref-> http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf < > >what engine is getting a hole drilled in the hopper? >page 3- lower RH pic. >is it on a well drilling rig or ??? > >marv in minn >( i have both the vise and drill :-)) > > > > >>Congrats on getting a Cole drill. Damn handy things to have in the shop. >>Rob was good enough to scan and post a copy of a set of instructions that >>show some pretty inventive setups for using one. >>http://rustyiron.com/literature/ColeDrill.pdf >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 2 18:41:24 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:41:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040902.215534.784.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Reg, Yep - When all else fails - Ga back to basics. Now I've got BOTH of the "Y"s running. Hard to believe - - - I couldn't see the points weren't closing. Maybe I need better lighting ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 2 18:58:05 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:58:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oil or paint Message-ID: <20040902.215811.784.8.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Bob, As I said leave it for a while. I really like Arnie's idea of cleaning it with Kero & Oil. He has some nice "working" engines. Later - You can always "Dress her up" - JMO Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From mr at carolina.rr.com Thu Sep 2 19:11:43 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:11:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oil or paint References: <20040902.215811.784.8.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <001301c4915b$5b9724e0$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Yes Arnie, that seems to be such a wonderful secret blend of products. Where o where could you have discovered such a potent family treasure of ingredients????? Hmmmmmmmmm, it sounds so familiar, yet I just can't place it. Hmmmmmmm??? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: [SEL] Oil or paint > Hey Bob, > > As I said leave it for a while. > I really like Arnie's idea of cleaning it with Kero & Oil. > He has some nice "working" engines. > > Later - You can always "Dress her up" - > > JMO > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 2 20:59:46 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:59:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> <05bd01c4914e$0f284330$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <003701c4916a$74442380$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Here is one of my favorites as a new member of this hobby. FM all greasy and running something. If it's all rusted up with nothing to save there is no loss. If it has something to save, decals, original paint, etc. I'll go with cleaning it and a little oil on the rust. http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays/Cd26.html Totty or a slapper don't matter. If you don't run it why bother. Mr. Maytag was once clean and shiny but seems running an engine will dirty them a bit. The great big smile when others see it running it what counts. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) > > > As Joe said, it will be like taking a new gal to the show. Will she be a > > > good looker or a trophy gal? > > Or as Jim & Dolly would say "totty or slapper." 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > The problem with MANY in our hobby is that they think it's ONE or the OTHER. > I choose to have BOTH in (and that can be the SAME engine!) > Dave > PS, "Run in the rain" indeed. If my engines didn't run in the rain it would > ONLY be because they ran out of gasoline and I didn't run out of beer in > time to realize that fact! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 2 21:03:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:03:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <003d01c4916b$001f8390$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Luke, Once again great pictures, but not near enough of them. Those steam tractors are something to see. Saw them at the Bird City show and WOW. Hope you have more to post soon. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: [SEL] Buckley Michigan Show Pictures > I have completed a small page with a few pictures I took this year at the > Buckley, Michigan show. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/buck04/buckley04.html > > Hope you enjoy looking at them. > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? > Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 2 21:44:17 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:44:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 Message-ID: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in the pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not interested in. The five categories are: Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy I am tired and I am going to bed, I hope you enjoy the pictures. Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 2 22:09:23 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 00:09:23 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 Message-ID: <009701c49174$2e0cc840$240110ac@PaulMaples> Let's try this again: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in the pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not interested in. The five categories are: Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW I am tired and I am going to bed, I hope you enjoy the pictures. Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 22:40:35 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <13758.199.62.0.252.1094137517.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Marv, What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am curious to know how well they work. They look a little primitive, but then again so does the cole drill, and I know that it works fantastic. I used mine again this year before our show in Baraboo. When they cut the keyway in the crankshaft on my corliss engine, they did it on a planer. When using a shaper or a planer, you need to start and finish the cut in "open air". Plunging isn't an option. SO, they started at one end of the shaft and cut the keyway about 4 feet long, right through the section of shaft that runs in the outboard bearing. Since a journal with a keyseat 3/8" deep, an inch wide and 16 inches long would tend to be a little rough on the babbit; they made up a filler strip and put it in the keyway. It was held in by peining it in place. This probably worked good for the first hundred years, but enough moisture had gotten under the filler strip to cause it to stand proud, resulting in a hot bearing. I got the strip loose and then cleaned everything out and put the strip back in. Since I didn't want to pein it and make the journal look like the surface of the moon, I used the cole drill to drill and countersink four 3/8-16 flat head screws through the strip into the crankshaft. I loctited the screws in and then drawfiled the heads off so that I had a nice smooth shaft, again. I could have used a hand held drill, but I can never drill a nice straight hole with those things. My magnetic mount drill wouldn't work because it doesn't like to stick to round surfaces. The cole drill worked great because the narrow base has slots in it and I made a couple of vee blocks on my shaper to fit the base and then clamped the whole thing in place. To drill, countersink, counterbore and tap those four holes only took about 2 1/2 hours, and everything was nice and straight and fit well. I couldn't have gotten a better job if I had done it on a really huge mill. Today I finished a pattern to cast a couple new shoes to fit on the bottom of the cole drill. One will be a long vee block and the other is going to be wider with a series of holes drilled in it to accomodate difficult clamping arrangements. One modification that I suggest is to remove the crank and make a shank for it so you can use an electric drill to turn the quill. If you reach in and use a screwdriver to depress the ratchet pawl, the ratchet should unscrew and you can remove the crank. It is one of those three handed projects, but it only takes a minute. Then you can make up an adapter. I like to use my cordless drill set on the slow speed, operating it with one hand and turning the feed know on the quill with the other. It works great and sometimes you get into a spot where you can't turn the crank full swing and ratcheting it makes a lot more work out of the job. Sorry for rambling, but by now you all know how prone I am to do so..... Later, Joe --- MARVIN HEDBERG wrote: > marv in minn > ( i have both the vise and drill :-)) > ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 23:22:27 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <41372670.2050508@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040903062227.98858.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> I will offer yet another opinion on the "to paint or not to paint" question. I generally don't like to paint unless I have something to hide under the paint, like great gobs of weld. Since I usually do any cast welding with the torch and old cast iron piston rings (Thanks for the tip, Mr. Prucha!), I can even rust a weld to make it match. Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to keep the moss growing: http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg I have owned a few hundred engines. I used to really like to buy, sell and trade. I learned that money spent on cleaning and painting was usually wasted if I wanted to maximize the return on investment. Not to mention the time involved. The engines that sold the fastest and got the best price were nice clean engines, with little or no paint on them but not rust pitted or broken up; engines that had no great amount of wear on them and were fit to run just as they are. These engines make for fairly easy restoration projects for both the real newbies and for the really old guys who just didn't want to start out with a basket case. Think about it. Most of us want an engine that we need to do something to, we feel the need to improve upon it somehow in order to make it "ours". How many of you can think of engines that either you or your friends bought and then the amount of satisfaction you or they got out of making it "just right"? My experience is that folks will pay almost as much for one in good, clean unrestored shape as they will for a "trailer queen". It takes a lot of work to get an engine prepped for paint, and it takes a lot of money to buy the materials to do it right. If you are thinking of selling the engine to upgrade your collection, the money spent on paint is almost always a loss, not to mention the time. I have trimmed my collection to about 4 dozen engines. Nothing super rare, but no ZD fairbanks or LB's either, all of them are common or "slightly less than common" hopper cooled, pushrod, farm engines. Most of them are sparkplug since the smaller manufacturers up here tended to gravitate towards spark plug ignition. Many of them, like Gilson, Sta-Rite and a few others LATER offered engines with ignitors. Seems backwards from conventional thinking. Anyway, the ones I kept are almost all good unrestored engines that run Ok and aren't welded up. Someday I would like to do the sort of restorations that Dave & Curt do, but right now I don't have the time to do that and do it right. I am one of the many folks who needs to work at improving their painting skills, and I want to do it right when I do it. Nothing sucks like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning up to the fact that I put that sucko paint job on it in the first place might be worse, but just try to get me to admit it! A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a conversation going off-list about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it would make a really cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a Fuller with tree grown up through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great and the first year I took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump for a few weeks and got it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? Joe ===== Joe Prindle Patternmaker, Founder & Machinist See my 1889 Reynolds Corliss at: www.tznet.com/jprindle Our Club: www.badgersteamandgas.com See Yoo in Baraboo! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pwaugh at mchsi.com Thu Sep 2 16:18:33 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 18:18:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift References: <3948sc$72l8m2@mxip09a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <003801c49143$2b6a7550$7f4d330a@PaulLaptop> Missed you JB, I like your marine engines .. now how did I miss dick ..dang Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift > I didn't make it to Portland this year, but my friend Dick Gibbens went and brought me back a gift, a cordless drill. This is a nice one, manufactured by Cole, it's complete, had some surface rust but cleaned up nice, most of the original paint is still on it. I missed a few of these on E-bay, was second highest bidder on a couple, glad to get this one. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 04:34:26 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:34:26 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time Message-ID: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> It was midnight when I finished the pictures last night and as I am sure most of you have discovered the address for the last three sets of pictures was the same. Here are the correct addresses for each album, sorry for the mix-up. Paul Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW From oldengin at udata.com Fri Sep 3 05:16:44 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <3a57rt$7mda41@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> References: <3a57rt$7mda41@mxip17a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <413860AC.1060705@udata.com> jbcast at charter.net wrote: >Thanks for the site, Arnie. Thanks for posting it Rob. The vise was included, I haven't cleaned it up yet, wasn't even sure it was part of the drill. >J.B. Castagnos >Belle Rose, LA > > > > > I also picked one up... Well sort of it is a Superior made in Michigan... I know nothing about it other than it is missing the chuck. Any ideas on it? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Fri Sep 3 05:27:09 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:27:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string Message-ID: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> G'day All Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From art at etsnj.com Fri Sep 3 05:29:26 2004 From: art at etsnj.com (Art Oswald) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:29:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 In-Reply-To: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <000801c491b1$aa258100$1202a8c0@artb0y712ywxp8> Thanks for the pictures Art Oswald ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 399 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 3 05:57:13 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill In-Reply-To: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am > curious to know how well they work. They look a little primitive, but then > again so does the cole drill, and I know that it works fantastic. It seems to me that the biggest virtue of the Cole vice is that it gives you additional setup options; especially with round workpieces. There's a guy with a nice blacksmith's post drill and a Cole drill / vise that was setup at Baraboo the last two years. He sets up at the end of the section that we're in, but toward the flea market. He may be a local and might let you borrow his for some hands-on experimentation. I'll look and see if I happened to take a pic of his display card. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 3 06:12:19 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <20040903062227.98858.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903062227.98858.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to keep the moss growing: > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > Nothing sucks > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning up to the fact that I put > that sucko paint job on it in the first place might be worse, but just try > to get me to admit it! ROFLMAO!! > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a conversation going off-list > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it would make a really > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a Fuller with tree grown up > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great and the first year I > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump for a few weeks and got > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group effort" article. I can hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. And it sounds like you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy Turner has a neat Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave Rotigel has some cool pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from a collapsed building. Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with the engine in one place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a tree. This could be cool. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From brock at netspeed.com.au Fri Sep 3 06:16:29 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:16:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c491b8$3a3d1c70$94c7fea9@merlin> That,s one hot bit of ass ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > G'day All > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > Graham in Oz > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 3 06:18:34 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:18:34 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 References: <009701c49174$2e0cc840$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing, Paul!!! RickinMt. > > > Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at > Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in > the > pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and > choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not > interested in. The five categories are: > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW > From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 07:20:59 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:20:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Briggs "Y" Message-ID: As I started reading today's digest I was wondering if we would get an update on the "Y". Just when I was about to give up here is your post, the very last one. About the point gap. Its not your fault you set them at .020" noone said they they had to close at some point (grin). Sounds like you would make a good engineer. We will catch the .020" detail but leave out the obvious "must close" part when working on an engine. Sounds exactly like something I might do. Congrats. >Message: 43 >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 00:16:03 -0400 >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Subject: [SEL] Briggs "Y" >To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >Message-ID: <20040902.011049.848.0.jlb94 at juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Hi Guys, > >Yesterday - I responded to one of Curt's posts and I said that I was >doing something really "stupid" - I just didn't know what it was. > >Figuring I shorted the capacitor somehow, I took the Briggs flywheel off >and started >poking around again. After disconnecting the capacitor from the points I >figured it was okay. > >While having the ohm meter at hand I (for some reason) decided to check >the points with the ohm meter. NOTHING ! - Huh ? - Yep, - NOTHING !!! > >Wait a minute ! What's wrong here. I set them at .020. Someone told me >the points setting for all Briggs is .020. Even the manual says .020. > >Looking closer with my OTHER BLIND EYE, I discovered what the ohm meter >was telling me - - - MY POINTS AREN'T CLOSING !!! > >After setting them - again (with both blind eyes ) This time so they >close - and putting everything back together - again - I now had spark. >WELL, I'LL BE !!! > >Yep - It's running again !!! >I told you I was doing something really "stupid". >Thanks to all who helped. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 3 07:09:16 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:09:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy Message-ID: <20040903.105032.804.6.jlb94@juno.com> Totty or a slapper don't matter. If you don't run it why bother. Mr. Maytag was once clean and shiny but seems running an engine will dirty them a bit. The great big smile when others see it running it what counts. Words of wisdom, Jeff Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 3 08:01:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:01:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Briggs "Y" Message-ID: <20040903.110159.804.10.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Andy, Wednesday - I set the points so they would close. Never gave it a thought that they weren't closing. The lighting isn't that good in the garage and I was using my "blind eye". After getting the Briggs "Y" #1 running I figured I'd use the Briggs "Y" #2 for parts only. Thursday - I took the Briggs "Y" #2 that I stole the electrics from and was getting ready to take the shroud off when I turned the pull start by hand and got a good "hit" through the left side of my body. I didn't think I put it together well enough to make it run - but - I belted it up to an electric motor - and she fired right up and ran pretty good by herself. After that I was able to start her with a rope. So - Now I have 2 Briggs "Y" running - and - looking for a home. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz . From jnyost at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 08:42:21 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Arnie, Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do you make or get stale beer? Jim --- Arnie Fero wrote: > Hi Joe, > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > keep the moss growing: > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > Nothing sucks > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning > up to the fact that I put > > that sucko paint job on it in the first place > might be worse, but just try > > to get me to admit it! > > ROFLMAO!! > > > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a > conversation going off-list > > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it > would make a really > > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a > Fuller with tree grown up > > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great > and the first year I > > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump > for a few weeks and got > > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? > > I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group > effort" article. I can > hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. > And it sounds like > you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy > Turner has a neat > Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave > Rotigel has some cool > pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from > a collapsed building. > Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with > the engine in one > place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a > tree. > > This could be cool. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From solarrog at pacbell.net Fri Sep 3 08:56:29 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:56:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] stale beer and moss References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027101c491ce$9373d930$aaca7043@solar> That moss would die around here. Ive never seen stale beer and I believe its quite rare. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) > Arnie, > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? > > > Jim > > > > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > > > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > > keep the moss growing: > > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > > > > > Nothing sucks > > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning > > up to the fact that I put > > > that sucko paint job on it in the first place > > might be worse, but just try > > > to get me to admit it! > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > > > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a > > conversation going off-list > > > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it > > would make a really > > > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a > > Fuller with tree grown up > > > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great > > and the first year I > > > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump > > for a few weeks and got > > > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? > > > > I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group > > effort" article. I can > > hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. > > And it sounds like > > you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy > > Turner has a neat > > Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave > > Rotigel has some cool > > pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from > > a collapsed building. > > Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with > > the engine in one > > place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a > > tree. > > > > This could be cool. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ===== > Jim and Janna Yost > Utica, Ohio > USA > jnyost at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Fri Sep 3 09:23:19 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:23:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time Message-ID: <149.32755967.2e69f477@aol.com> HI Paul; Thanks for the pictures, You done good Ha Ha . Your OLE Tennessee Ridge Runner friend, Bill Miller. From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 3 09:14:11 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics/Bowsher Mill Message-ID: >>New Shows Added: > >Portland, IN Show - 2004 >Baraboo, WI Show - 2004 >Sycamore, IL Show - 2004 >--1st National Gade Show - Marshalltown, IA - 2004 --Not finished yet-- >Franklin Grove, IL - 2004 >DuPage County Fair - 2004 >Will County, IL 2004 >Paublo Agricultural Museum - Stonington, IL 2004 > > >Here is the link to the show page: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/show_reports.htm > >I feel better now...I wasn't the only one who had to be towed out of the >North end trailer parking area at Portland...I hooked up to the trailer a >few minutes before the rains came Saturday and created Lake >Portland...Pulled Forward ~8 feet and spun out...I did get to wait in the >truck until after the rain stopped and then hiked in to the gate to call >for a tractor (an AC) to pull the Truck and Trailer out. > >Please provide feedback directly (offlist) about download times on the >larger pages (dialup users only as it is fine for those on high speed >access). > >Steve > Steve, nice pics. I saw one in your collection that really caught my eye. In the section of Portland pictures you took a few shots of a Bowsher Burr Mill #4. That is the only one, besides mine, that I have ever seen. I have a #5 model. Does anyone know much about these? What is the partition in the hopper for? What size engine is needed to run it? What do you grind with it? _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From FRM8198 at aol.com Fri Sep 3 10:48:33 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:48:33 EDT Subject: [SEL] Cole Drill Message-ID: <74.41216bbc.2e6a0871@aol.com> In a message dated 9/2/04 10:42:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com writes: What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am curious to know how well they work. Joe, I have a Cole vise. It operates similar to an old blacksmith post vise. I don't like it because the vise jaws work on an angle to each other as you open and close the jaws. On a machinist type vise, the jaws are aways parallel to each other. On the Cole vise, the ability to rotate it about it's operating screw axis is nice feature. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From christison at coastalnet.com Fri Sep 3 10:55:14 2004 From: christison at coastalnet.com (Ken Christison) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:55:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics/Bowsher Mill References: Message-ID: <001f01c491df$2bfaae80$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Andy, This is most likely a feed mill meant to grind ear corn, cob and all. It will also grind grain by itself, though not as fine as a regular grain mill. The partitions might be to enable portioning of different grains mixed in? My guess is a 6 horse engine would run one of these. Most Bowsher mills I have seen are the older sweep driven mills. Take care. Ken Christison Conway, NC christison at coastalnet.com http://www.oldiron-nut.com http://www.syrupmakers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Glines" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:14 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics/Bowsher Mill > Steve, nice pics. I saw one in your collection that really caught my eye. > In the section of Portland pictures you took a few shots of a Bowsher Burr > Mill #4. That is the only one, besides mine, that I have ever seen. I have > a #5 model. Does anyone know much about these? What is the partition in > the hopper for? What size engine is needed to run it? What do you grind > with it? From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 3 13:28:18 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Jim, The only time I've seen stale beer was leftovers after everyone at the party passed out and didn't wake till after noon... Must be a Cheesehead thing... See ya, Arnie On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, James Yost wrote: > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 14:01:36 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:01:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c491f9$33cd6700$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> the technical term for that is ......wardrobe failure been happening a lot on live teevee lately . I hear . From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 3 14:50:56 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:50:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: Ruston and Hornsby YE5 Stationary Engine with 35kW Generator Message-ID: <55A9CA1A-FDF3-11D8-A822-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I see a lot of you already got this message, but for anyone else who might be interested: > I am writing to you as someone who probably has an interest > in?stationary engines. This item has just been listed by me on > ebay.co.uk. Please take a look and bid if it is of interest to you, or > if not I would be grateful if you could pass details to any of your > old engine contacts who may be interested. > ? > Title:??? ??? Ruston and Hornsby YE5 Stationary Engine 35kW Generator > Item#:??????2267637750. > URL:??? ??? > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2267637750 > ? > Regards. > Ebay member: krop46 > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 3 15:13:10 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:13:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string In-Reply-To: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <711AC289-FDF6-11D8-A822-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Definitely better than the last notorious "wardrobe malfunction." On Sep 3, 2004, at 8:27 AM, Graham Harris wrote: > G'day All > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > Graham in Oz John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 3 15:16:07 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:16:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) In-Reply-To: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? I was wondering the same. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 17:39:37 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:39:37 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <149.32755967.2e69f477@aol.com> Message-ID: <008601c49217$a8e639e0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Bill was you able to open all five albums? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > HI Paul; > > Thanks for the pictures, You done good Ha Ha . > > Your OLE Tennessee Ridge Runner friend, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 3 17:50:59 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:50:59 -0500 Subject: Fw: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time Message-ID: <00eb01c49219$3f380490$240110ac@PaulMaples> Folks if someone wants to post these pictures on Smokestak for the those folks to see go ahead, I would but I do not know how to post five different URL addresses. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:34 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > It was midnight when I finished the pictures last night and as I am sure > most of you have discovered the address for the last three sets of > pictures was the same. Here are the correct addresses for each album, > sorry for the mix-up. > > Paul > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 18:19:32 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:19:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401c4921d$3c321ac0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Stale beer is easy guys. I'll bet many of you have done it. You're in the workshop and you set a beer down because something interrupted you. You set the beer down on the nearest flat surface. You come back to the workshop knowing you have a beer there, but you can't find it. You look over the entire workshop and it is not there. You retrieve another from the fridge and go on with your work and keep a close eye on the new beer. Several days later you find a half full beer in the workshop on a flat surface. They like to hide behind shop supplies such as cans of spray paint while they go stale. Once they have gone stale, they will come out of hiding for you to find. If you want or need stale beer for any reason keep up your old habits. If not, set them down on the workbench next to the vice where they belong. A good vice will keep an eye on your beer. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) > Arnie, > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > you make or get stale beer? > > > Jim > > > > > --- Arnie Fero wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joe Prindle wrote: > > > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > > keep the moss growing: > > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > > > > > Nothing sucks > > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. Well, owning > > up to the fact that I put > > > that sucko paint job on it in the first place > > might be worse, but just try > > > to get me to admit it! > > > > ROFLMAO!! > > > > > A year or so ago, Chuck Balyeat and I had a > > conversation going off-list > > > about "as found" engines. Chuck said he thought it > > would make a really > > > cool feature. What do you guys think? I have a > > Fuller with tree grown up > > > through the rails on the trucks, engine runs great > > and the first year I > > > took it to a show, I watered the box elder stump > > for a few weeks and got > > > it to sprout at the show. Cool, eh? > > > > I think that would make an EXCELLENT "SEL group > > effort" article. I can > > hear the Flamemistress' hard drive spinning up now. > > And it sounds like > > you have two excellent examples. I think Tommy > > Turner has a neat > > Springfield with the option tree attachment. Dave > > Rotigel has some cool > > pics of his 12 hp Herk being surgically removed from > > a collapsed building. > > Craig Prucha has some neat pics of his Olin(?) with > > the engine in one > > place and flywheel down the hollow leaning against a > > tree. > > > > This could be cool. > > > > See ya, Arnie > > > > Arnie Fero > > Pittsburgh, PA > > fero_ah at city-net.com > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > ===== > Jim and Janna Yost > Utica, Ohio > USA > jnyost at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 3 18:32:29 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:32:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New engine guy Message-ID: <003401c4921f$0b8762c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Got an e-mail tonight that made my day. He only has one engine so far, but we know how that works. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi There, My name is Deon Taljaard residing in Johannesburg,South Africa. I must compliment you on a wonderful and educational site. I can appreciate all the time one had to spent in getting it going and to keep up to date with new information. I am really into Live Steam and in my searching the web found your site. I have spent more time than need be, and ended up looking for a engine to buy. I found a 3.5 HP Lister CS and all of a sudden all my spare time got a new meaning-Thank you! I must admit I have not a clue of what I am looking at,but willing to learn. Thanks Deon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'll send him info on the lists and point him to a couple sites that might help him out. Special thanks to Jim for his free web space. None of this would have happened without it. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From lfevans at pacbell.net Fri Sep 3 21:45:24 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 21:45:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Cole Drill & Vise pictures In-Reply-To: <74.41216bbc.2e6a0871@aol.com> References: <74.41216bbc.2e6a0871@aol.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040903212526.031e95b0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> For those not familiar with the Cole drill and/or vise take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/colevise/ Taking a look at the factory literature on Rob's site I suspect the company didn't really expect the vise to be used for precision machine work. Regards, Larry >Joe, >I have a Cole vise. It operates similar to an old blacksmith post vise. I >don't like it because the vise jaws work on an angle to each other as you >open >and close the jaws. On a machinist type vise, the jaws are aways parallel to >each other. On the Cole vise, the ability to rotate it about it's operating >screw axis is nice feature. > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 3 15:23:29 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:23:29 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson tit!!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > G'day All > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > Graham in Oz From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Sep 4 03:41:44 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:41:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> <007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Lets keep it clean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson tit!!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Harris" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM > Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > > > > G'day All > > > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > > > Graham in Oz > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BetCleve321 at aol.com Sat Sep 4 06:44:35 2004 From: BetCleve321 at aol.com (BetCleve321 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:44:35 EDT Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) Message-ID: <12e.4ae88519.2e6b20c3@aol.com> In a message dated 9/3/2004 9:14:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: If you want or need stale beer for any reason keep up your old habits. If not, set them down on the workbench next to the vice where they belong. A good vice will keep an eye on your beer Their is absolutely worse than 5 or 6 nearly full cans of beer with cigarett buts and ashes in'em found in the morning after a poker game. That is stale beer. Skip From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 4 07:08:51 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:08:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] My Economy (AGAIN) References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c49288$b4c910e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it. How do > > you make or get stale beer? > I was wondering the same. > Have people over for a rib/shoot . Collect next morning before it gels From brock at netspeed.com.au Sat Sep 4 07:09:07 2004 From: brock at netspeed.com.au (Brock Summerfield) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:09:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <00eb01c49219$3f380490$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005001c49288$c127b8f0$94c7fea9@merlin> G,day Paul thanks for the pic,s Brock ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Fw: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > Folks if someone wants to post these pictures on Smokestak for the those > folks to see go ahead, I would but I do not know how to post five different > URL addresses. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:34 AM > Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > > > > It was midnight when I finished the pictures last night and as I am sure > > most of you have discovered the address for the last three sets of > > pictures was the same. Here are the correct addresses for each album, > > sorry for the mix-up. > > > > Paul > > > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182993895/182996923bsPFvi > > > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182997667/182999098KwbUqW > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 4 11:06:20 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string In-Reply-To: <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com> <007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hell Ron, I'd pay good money to wash her cute little buns! Damn straight I'd keep 'em clean!! See ya, Arnie On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Lets keep it clean. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > > > I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson > > tit!!! From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 4 12:25:53 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: Hi Folks, Yesterday was full of hope and optimism. I rushed through the paperwork to clear customs and arrange pick-up of the latest in the old iron shipments from England. This was my Tulip-Top Bamford, a lovely Lorenz for Curt Andree from Nevill Beaty, and a Lister CS for Scott Harvey also from Nevill Beaty. We had talked extensively about this shipment at Baraboo and at Portland and EVERONE was VERY excited. Things started out well, yesterday we loaded up the crates at the freight depot and dropped the trailer off at Dave's. He would be coming over to my place early Saturday (today) to unload. Dave arrives and backs up to the shed... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg The first crate unloaded was my Bamford. Smooth as silk. No problems. Just like we've always done. Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be Curt calling...... Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-094F.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg For what it's worth, Scott Harvey's Lister CS was also unloaded without a hitch. What a black day....... See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 4 12:48:07 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:48:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <007201c492b8$1a083600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg Ive caught squirrels that way before . needs a string From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 4 13:15:38 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:15:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <00a901c492bb$f1ddc880$0400a8c0@Dave> > Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be > Curt calling......> > See ya, Arnie Curt, I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was simply weak! Had we not killed those four six packs prior to attempting to unload your Lorenz I don't think we would have attempted to do it in that way. Both Arnie and I agreed to that just after it happened. In any event, if Dolly and Jim can locate another cylinder and carb the engine should be (almost) OK! Sorry, but the good part is that it's now on US soil! Dave From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Sep 4 13:31:36 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:31:36 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: <8c.141efc11.2e6b8028@aol.com> Hi Dave and Arnie (and, Curt, too), It is unfortunate indeed that such an accident would occur. I do hope that both of you are not injured, or, if you are, Curt's homeowner's insurance will cover your medical expenses. The remnants of the Lorenz may have some salvage value but in any case will need to be cleaned up. I should like to offer my services in hauling away the debris so that you two don't have to be reminded of the tragedy as I know it hurts you to even think about it. Regards, Ron Carroll Poverty Ridge Engine Shed Clearmont, Missouri In a message dated 9/4/2004 3:20:02 PM Central Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > Curt, > I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I > knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was > simply weak! Had we not killed those four six packs prior to attempting to > unload your Lorenz I don't think we would have attempted to do it in that > way. Both Arnie and I agreed to that just after it happened. In any event, > if Dolly and Jim can locate another cylinder and carb the engine should be > (almost) OK! Sorry, but the good part is that it's now on US soil! > Dave > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Sat Sep 4 14:06:25 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 22:06:25 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <413A2E51.9B46BBC7@insulate.co.uk> Hi Paul Thanks for going to the trouble of posting all those pictures. We really enjoyed looking at them all last night. I won't say it was just like being there, but at least it gave us a good insight into what we missed this year! Dolly and Jim paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From rexhinz at chorus.net Sat Sep 4 14:05:27 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:05:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <00a901c492bb$f1ddc880$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <000f01c492c2$e93b39e0$1486a5d8@mycomputer> Dave & Arnie ; Next time your in Baraboo I will furnish you guys with a couple of the Wis. beer holding hats then you can use both hands to handle the unloading tasks and swig Ole Mil and that other stuff that Arnie drinks , I also learned long ago that if you put the empties on the ground in the right place it will cushion the falls and at the same time save you feet the pain of stomping most of the cans :-))) Rex > > I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I > knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was > simply weak! From SmithEngines at aol.com Sat Sep 4 14:09:47 2004 From: SmithEngines at aol.com (SmithEngines at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:09:47 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: Hello ALL LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? Mike Smith Shreve, Oh. From pwaugh at mchsi.com Sat Sep 4 14:23:41 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:23:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <001301c492c5$76af2960$0300a8c0@paul> Well I notice the lid to box on side was slid back and fasten in a very straight aligned fashion .. I am waiting for further details ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > > Hello ALL > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > Mike Smith > Shreve, Oh. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 4 14:33:58 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:33:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <010801c492c6$e399e4b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hello ALL > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > Mike Smith Come on Mike, You don't really think that Arnie and I would joke about a thing like this--do you? Dave From MaytagTwin at aol.com Sat Sep 4 15:04:19 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:04:19 EDT Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2004 4:37:41 PM Central Standard Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > > Hello ALL > > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > > > Mike Smith > > Come on Mike, You don't really think that Arnie and I would joke about a > thing like this--do you? > Dave Hi Mike and Dave, No one would joke about such a tragedy as described in the photos Arnie posted. I only wish to ease their pain by removing the tangible reminders of the event. Ron From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 4 16:07:19 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 18:07:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> <413A2E51.9B46BBC7@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <005901c492d3$ee513270$240110ac@PaulMaples> Your welcome Helen. I hope you were able to see all five albums. We sure did miss you and your family this year and we are looking forward to seeing all of you next year. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time > Hi Paul > > Thanks for going to the trouble of posting all those pictures. We really > enjoyed looking at them all last night. I won't say it was just like > being > there, but at least it gave us a good insight into what we missed this > year! > > Dolly and Jim > > paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Sat Sep 4 17:43:59 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 19:43:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: <001601c492e1$6f436080$14690b42@gnarmstrong> Arne & Dave, I hope the trailer wasn't damaged as that would really be tough on Curt if he has to foot the bill for trailer repairs. Thankfully, you two are so quick on your feet that you escaped without injury as the load shifted. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: Stationary Engine List ; Old Engine Date: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments >Hi Folks, > >Yesterday was full of hope and optimism. I rushed through the paperwork >to clear customs and arrange pick-up of the latest in the old iron >shipments from England. This was my Tulip-Top Bamford, a lovely Lorenz >for Curt Andree from Nevill Beaty, and a Lister CS for Scott Harvey also >from Nevill Beaty. We had talked extensively about this shipment at >Baraboo and at Portland and EVERONE was VERY excited. > >Things started out well, yesterday we loaded up the crates at the freight >depot and dropped the trailer off at Dave's. He would be coming over to >my place early Saturday (today) to unload. > >Dave arrives and backs up to the shed... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > >The first crate unloaded was my Bamford. Smooth as silk. No problems. >Just like we've always done. > >Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > >I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be >Curt calling...... > >Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-094F.jpg >http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg > >For what it's worth, Scott Harvey's Lister CS was also unloaded without a >hitch. > >What a black day....... > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 4 20:21:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 23:21:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string References: <20040903122709.36540.qmail@web41105.mail.yahoo.com><007101c4925c$b2cde120$2e0d1bd3@athlon> <001301c4926b$c603a4a0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <01b001c492f7$66eafc70$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Ron, Looked clean to me!!!!!!!!!!! Dave > Lets keep it clean. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > > > > I'll tell ya wot mate, that cute bum did more for me than the Jackson > tit!!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Harris" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:27 PM > > Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string > > > > > > > G'day All > > > > > > Further to Reg's understudy (aka the girl from > > > Holmesville aka Miss Universe) we see that she has hit > > > the headlines today. Reg would indeed be proud, > > > beaming in fact, may even need a stiff er drink.... > > > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/2004/09/02/1093939074310.html > > > > > > Graham in Oz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Sep 4 21:17:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:17:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 Message-ID: <000a01c492ff$41868ff0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good reason. I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming all at once. My comments and recommendations below. For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not for the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as Adaware first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. Can't tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will be a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than nothing. You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are never offered a choice. I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't recommend this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need to. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 4 21:16:07 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 21:16:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Reg's mate in a G-string In-Reply-To: <01b001c492f7$66eafc70$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <200409050416.i854GGa6021321@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > > Lets keep it clean. > Hi Ron, Looked clean to me!!!!!!!!!!! > Dave Hey Dave, You can't tell by lookin'. You gotta smell it. From oldengin at udata.com Sun Sep 5 02:07:05 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 05:07:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413AD739.1030203@udata.com> SmithEngines at aol.com wrote: > Hello ALL > LOL Anybody else smell B... S............... ? > > Mike Smith > > Now Mike.... Arnie by himself would maybe, just maybe do something like this..... BUT not try and include Dave. After all you can see a scratch in the paint on the trailer if you look at the picture real good. Arnie did you tell Helen bout the swimmin lessons you where offered?????????????????? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Sun Sep 5 06:28:08 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:28:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] re:Curt's Lorenz - a black day Message-ID: <20040905132809.24595.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Dave and Arnie A very black day. I'm so sorry for Curt and I hope he knuckles you 2 dunderheads good. On the Lorenz's the B.S. lever often snaps with just a slight knock, the c.r.a.p roller though usually survives. Sometimes the K.M.R's shaft could bend, but the water jacket P.W.Y. cock(s) are made of bronze and never are a problem. A 3-LEG PULLER gets the F.I.B. roller off it's shaft easily and the L.I.E.S key will come off with it. Oh, and I think the early serial numbered engines were the 1ST to have the A.P.R.I.L. fitted as standard. So replacing the cylinder will be easy, don't worry. I hope that helps soothe the bruises. Graham in Oz Message: 8 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:15:38 -0400 From: "Dave Rotigel" Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <00a901c492bb$f1ddc880$0400a8c0 at Dave> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be > Curt calling......> > See ya, Arnie Curt, I think this is as much my fault (perhaps more) than it is Arnie's. I knew that the drinking should not start until after 9:00 am, but I was simply weak! Had we not killed those four six packs prior to attempting to unload your Lorenz I don't think we would have attempted to do it in that way. Both Arnie and I agreed to that just after it happened. In any event, if Dolly and Jim can locate another cylinder and carb the engine should be (almost) OK! Sorry, but the good part is that it's now on US soil! Dave Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Sep 5 07:25:53 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:25:53 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping. Something like this can happen if every place the crates are unloaded/loaded in to other containers. The last shipment of George Best his DUX was without a crate because now, the US seems only want to import heat treated wood (crates) complete with documents. Cost for an engine like a small Lorenz, of George's DUX about $200-$300!!! what a waste of money..... Anyway seeing this pictures I know how lucky we were when George got the engine home without damage. I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "Stationary Engine List" ; "Old Engine" Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > Hi Folks, > > Yesterday was full of hope and optimism. I rushed through the paperwork > to clear customs and arrange pick-up of the latest in the old iron > shipments from England. This was my Tulip-Top Bamford, a lovely Lorenz > for Curt Andree from Nevill Beaty, and a Lister CS for Scott Harvey also > from Nevill Beaty. We had talked extensively about this shipment at > Baraboo and at Portland and EVERONE was VERY excited. > > Things started out well, yesterday we loaded up the crates at the freight > depot and dropped the trailer off at Dave's. He would be coming over to > my place early Saturday (today) to unload. > > Dave arrives and backs up to the shed... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > > The first crate unloaded was my Bamford. Smooth as silk. No problems. > Just like we've always done. > > Next was Curt's Lorenz. And things just.... slipped. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-090F.jpg > > I'm heartbroken. I can't answer the phone cos I KNOW that it will be > Curt calling...... > > Here's Dave and I inspecting the damage.... > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-094F.jpg > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-092F.jpg > > For what it's worth, Scott Harvey's Lister CS was also unloaded without a > hitch. > > What a black day....... > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From double-d-66 at prodigy.net Sun Sep 5 04:39:35 2004 From: double-d-66 at prodigy.net (double-d-66 at prodigy.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:39:35 -0000 Subject: [SEL] Latest engine References: Message-ID: <001601c4933d$064cc880$0101a8c0@pavilion> Way to go George on your find, and welcome back to the list . From Dave in PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Latest engine > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4019318&a=31394075&f= > > Yesterday I got my latest engine. It is a DUX vertical hit&miss French > engine. > > This is supposed to be a very rare engine although being built in 1923 > it isn't all that old. > > So far Harry and I have not been able to find any information on the > company or locate any other examples of DUX engines. > > Unfortunately the engine doesn't have a brass tag to identify the size > or serial number. Luckily some information is embossed on the castings. > For example there is a 1923 casting date on the cylinder and the magneto > has a 1922 date stamped on it. > > I've seen several engines with the engine serial number stamped on > multiple parts, so last night I did a quick search for a stamped number > on parts. I did find four machined parts with a 3 stamped on them. ( 2 > intake valve cage parts, 2 governor latch parts) I would rather have > found the number stamped on some larger parts, but so far no luck. I'll > keep looking for a serial number when I get to cleaning up the engine > more. > > What do you think about the chances that it is serial number 3? > > George > > Ps... While most of you were away enjoying the Portland show, I rejoined > SEL. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 5 08:50:10 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:50:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <021501c49360$066089b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! > This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping.> > I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry, After CAREFUL examination we (Arnie and I) have determined that ALL the damage to Curt's Lorenz was caused during shipping. It's a relief to hold ourselves NOT responsible for any of the damage to the engine! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 5 09:21:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: Hi Harry, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Harry Terpstra wrote: > This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! > This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping. > Something like this can happen if every place the crates are unloaded/loaded > in to other containers. FWIW, ALL of the English beer that Jim had packed into the crate for me survived!! 8-))) > The last shipment of George Best his DUX was without a crate because now, > the US seems only want to import heat treated wood (crates) complete with > documents. Cost for an engine like a small Lorenz, of George's DUX about > $200-$300!!! what a waste of money..... Interesting... As you can see from the photos, these were just bog standard chip board crates. No fancy papers. Maybe you need to use a different shipper? http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. Curt sez that he's pretty handy with a MIG welder... 8->>> See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From FRM8198 at aol.com Sun Sep 5 13:19:03 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:19:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] Check out Welcome to Cabin Fever! Message-ID: Hi List, Here is a web site that has several pictures of model engines. http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/ Some of them are being auctioned. http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/Info/IFE2004_auction.htm Francis Maciel Santa Maria, CA 93454 From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 5 13:24:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:24:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing Message-ID: We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, including the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland and the morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, enabling a good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the picture enlarged. We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating during the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the Lists. There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good trip and we had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at Portland especially there was plenty to see! We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main camera performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day because of the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance up the pictures. There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays in connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with interlinking url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at will. Note that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of the new directory, you will have to enter by the following url: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in through this url. If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you browse through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages 9 to 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or non-operating pages. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Sep 5 13:20:54 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:20:54 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> <021501c49360$066089b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <00a001c49385$dd67d740$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> That's good to hear Dave;-) Plus I think that the Lorenz took it pretty good right?;-) Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > > This really shows what we all fear in shipping engines!! > > This it happened to you, but who knows what happens during the shipping.> > > I hope the damage to Curt's Lorenz isn't too bad. > > Harry Terpstra > > Hi Harry, > After CAREFUL examination we (Arnie and I) have determined that ALL the > damage to Curt's Lorenz was caused during shipping. It's a relief to hold > ourselves NOT responsible for any of the damage to the engine! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From h.terpstra at wxs.nl Sun Sep 5 13:23:37 2004 From: h.terpstra at wxs.nl (Harry Terpstra) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:23:37 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <00a901c49386$3d635fc0$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> > Interesting... As you can see from the photos, these were just bog > standard chip board crates. No fancy papers. Maybe you need to use a > different shipper? > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/oops/mvc-089F.jpg > > I don't know Arnie. They told me that it would be my own risk if I had to pay a heat treatment when entering US grounds. Maybe next time we better act stupid and see what happens. Harry Terpstra Sint Anna Parochie Netherlands h.terpstra at wxs.nl http://home01.wxs.nl/~terps027/home.html From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 5 13:51:11 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing & Crossley ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, GREAT job as always!! I have a question for our Crossley experts. This Crossley 1070 has a "modern looking" carby on it. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4123.htm The seller got it from Oz and has been assured that it was factory issue. Did Crossley do a version of the 1070 in petrol only? Might it have had a carby like the one you see in the pic? That Little Giant is pretty cool!! Don't think I've seen one before. http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4131.htm Thanks!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Peter A Forbes wrote: > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 14:59:30 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:59:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Friends and Igniters References: <003801c48f75$951148a0$27cc940c@mcness.com><4134B2C9.3010007@imc-group.com> <4134D5C7.2040704@scrtc.com> Message-ID: <009b01c49394$240ea940$7becf504@x8h7l9> I have never worked with igniters, but have an idea to throw out. There is a high temperature plumbers silicone grease that is intended for faucet stems that might have good properties to lubricate the igniter parts. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judge Tommy Turner" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Friends and Igniters > Curt, > > Many of the old time engine manuals state to use coal oil to > lubricate ignitors as motor oil will cause them to have build up and > stick. I usually use WD 40 or something similar. It being a thin oil > helps keep it from being so "gummy". > > Tommy Turner > Magnolia, KY > > > > Curt Holland wrote: > > > Welcome to this eccentric list Joe and thanks for the advice on ignitors. > > I've got a question along the same lines concerning an ignitor on a > > Stickney. > > A Stickney ignitor has a sliding electrode instead of a rotating > > electrode. Every single time I start to run my Stickney I have to > > remove the ignitor and with great effort remove the stuck moving > > electrode from the brass body it lives in. It is never rusty, but > > rather it is carboned up to the point that it sticks tight if left > > overnight. > > Removing and cleaning the ignitor is just part of my starting > > procedure now, but it sure would be nice to eliminate this step! > > The ignitor is in great shape with nice close tolerances and > > everything glides nicely when clean. > > Should I be using a special oil to prevent the carbon build up? I've > > tried plain motor oil and 10wt. oil. > > Any suggestions? > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > > > Joe & Jewel Maurer wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks, > >> > >> I'm new to the list so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right but here > >> goes. > >> Met a bunch of new SEL friends at Baraboo and Portland. Dave and Arnie, > >> Steve and Mel and Pete to name just a few. Enjoyed the Thursday night > >> banquet and the good company. I think a few of you are a little > >> eccentric > >> but then who isn't? > >> > >> Robert Bransen taught me a very valuable tip about igniters. Carbon > >> builds > >> up on the moveable electrode and causes the shaft to drag. You can > >> trip it > >> by hand or put a meter on it and it will act normal. However, it > >> doesn't > >> take much drag to cause the engine to stop. Try cleaning the shaft with > >> carb cleaner and keep it well oiled. This helps about 80% of igniter > >> troubles when the igniter is in good condition. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 15:10:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing References: Message-ID: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Peter, Thanks for the great pictures. I love the larger thumbnails. 800 x 600 really should be a thing of the past and the larger thumbnails work great here. I didn't manage to make it through all of the full page pics yet, but will do so soon. Oops, and I've done it many times. Thumbs on pages 7, 8, 17, 18, 19, 28 are not all there. Hit refresh and no difference. I did try a couple blank ones and they link fine. Considering the huge amount of data you put up, I'm surprised it went this well. Labor of love and greatly appreciated. Can't wait for the final version. Portland must be amazing and can't wait to go. Next year, maybe. Priorities. Many years ago I looked down at my yellow arm. Damn I better back off the beers. I'm turning yellow. The little one that had a leaky diaper with yellow poop is my niece and she is getting married next summer. She has already told me, "It won't be a wedding without you uncle Jeff". Wish for a June wedding. I am. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, > including > the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland and > the > morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. > > As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, > enabling a > good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the > picture > enlarged. > > We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating > during > the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the Lists. > > There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good trip > and we > had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at > Portland > especially there was plenty to see! > > We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main camera > performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day > because of > the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance up > the > pictures. > > There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays in > connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) > > The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with > interlinking > url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at will. > Note > that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of the > new > directory, you will have to enter by the following url: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm > > If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in > through > this url. > > If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you > browse > through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages > 9 to > 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. > > Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or > non-operating > pages. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Engine pages for preservation info: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 15:21:48 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:21:48 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 References: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005d01c49396$bcd6aea0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Thanks for the great layout. You gave a feel of being there with the way you did it. I have yet to get through all of them, but had to laugh at one of the first dinner pictures I pulled up. LOL Dave. Do you sleep with that repaired Maytag also. Try to keep it clean, but some I know sleep with those they take to dinner, and it can be a wife. Anyhow Paul, you done good. I'm sure those that couldn't be there will enjoy. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 > Ok folks I have finally finished processing the 300 pictures I took at > Portland. I tried this year to present an overall flavor of Portland in > the pictures. I have grouped them into five categories so you can pick and > choose the ones you want to look at and disregard those you are not > interested in. The five categories are: > > Portland 2004 General Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182985102/182986104DqDcnj > > Portland 2004 Tractors, Steam Engines, Threshers, Sheller's, Etc > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182991821/182993559dvJQNW > > Portland 2004 SEL Display Area Pictures: > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 Vendor Area - Engines - Parts - Misc. > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > Portland 2004 SEL Dinner & Auction Pictures > http://client.webshots.com/photo/182990634/182991687AfuyQy > > I am tired and I am going to bed, I hope you enjoy the pictures. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 5 15:20:17 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:20:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing References: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Jeff, Did you see any engines? All I could fine is some areoplanes and some old cars--none of which seemed to have anything to do with Portland! I think it's some sort of false advertising! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > Peter, > > Thanks for the great pictures. I love the larger thumbnails. 800 x 600 > really should be a thing of the past and the larger thumbnails work great > here. I didn't manage to make it through all of the full page pics yet, but > will do so soon. > > Oops, and I've done it many times. Thumbs on pages 7, 8, 17, 18, 19, 28 are > not all there. Hit refresh and no difference. I did try a couple blank ones > and they link fine. Considering the huge amount of data you put up, I'm > surprised it went this well. Labor of love and greatly appreciated. Can't > wait for the final version. > > Portland must be amazing and can't wait to go. Next year, maybe. Priorities. > Many years ago I looked down at my yellow arm. Damn I better back off the > beers. I'm turning yellow. The little one that had a leaky diaper with > yellow poop is my niece and she is getting married next summer. She has > already told me, "It won't be a wedding without you uncle Jeff". Wish for a > June wedding. I am. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A Forbes" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:24 PM > Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > > > > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, > > including > > the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland and > > the > > morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. > > > > As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, > > enabling a > > good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the > > picture > > enlarged. > > > > We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating > > during > > the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the Lists. > > > > There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good trip > > and we > > had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at > > Portland > > especially there was plenty to see! > > > > We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main camera > > performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day > > because of > > the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance up > > the > > pictures. > > > > There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays in > > connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) > > > > The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with > > interlinking > > url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at will. > > Note > > that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of the > > new > > directory, you will have to enter by the following url: > > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm > > > > If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in > > through > > this url. > > > > If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you > > browse > > through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages > > 9 to > > 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. > > > > Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or > > non-operating > > pages. > > > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter & Rita Forbes > > diesel at easynet.co.uk > > Engine pages for preservation info: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 5 16:03:06 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:03:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: <003301c49354$4309fb00$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb><021501c49360$066089b0$0400a8c0@Dave> <00a001c49385$dd67d740$3775833e@harryk3nlc5ggb> Message-ID: <026d01c4939c$81668f60$0400a8c0@Dave> > That's good to hear Dave;-) > Plus I think that the Lorenz took it pretty good right?;-) > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry, It's a GREAT feeling to not have to take responsibility for one's actions and to just blame someone else for all the bad things that happen. I think I'm going to like being a democrat! Dave From marvhed at ecenet.com Sun Sep 5 16:09:27 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (marv) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:09:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill References: <20040903054035.9600.qmail@web20223.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009001c4939d$bc074c80$bed63d40@dell14> my vise is not as smooth as a good post vise but it hasn't been used either, no wear. the flat jaws do angle out quit a bit on large work because the pivot distance is short. but as a pipe vise or mounting the drill, it works great!! they are heavy, the postage was more than my bid on e-bay :-(( marv in minn >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Gift - Cole Drill Hi Marv, What is your opinion on the cole vise? I have never used one, and am curious to know how well they work. They look a little primitive, but then again so does the cole drill, and I know that it works fantastic. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 5 16:54:16 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:54:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 References: <005401c49170$aca844d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> <005d01c49396$bcd6aea0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <00c101c493a3$a84a4b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Jeff, glad you enjoyed them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Portland Pictures Finally Ready - 300 > Paul, > > Thanks for the great layout. You gave a feel of being there with the way > you did it. I have yet to get through all of them, but had to laugh at one > of the first dinner pictures I pulled up. LOL Dave. Do you sleep with that > repaired Maytag also. Try to keep it clean, but some I know sleep with > those they take to dinner, and it can be a wife. > > Anyhow Paul, you done good. I'm sure those that couldn't be there will > enjoy. > > Regards, > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 16:30:21 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:30:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) Message-ID: http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 18:27:45 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:27:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing References: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <001401c493b0$b7438840$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, I have to keep it short cause their about to back to green flag racing. Yes I did see engines and WOW. I think first page of Portland is page 9, and second picture is a Maytag before you got to it. Peter did a great job as well as Paul in getting these up so quick. The last pages of cars that go fast? Loved it cause back to my race and my boys are doing well. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > Hi Jeff, > Did you see any engines? All I could fine is some areoplanes and some > old cars--none of which seemed to have anything to do with Portland! I > think > it's some sort of false advertising! > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: ; "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing > > >> Peter, >> >> Thanks for the great pictures. I love the larger thumbnails. 800 x 600 >> really should be a thing of the past and the larger thumbnails work great >> here. I didn't manage to make it through all of the full page pics yet, > but >> will do so soon. >> >> Oops, and I've done it many times. Thumbs on pages 7, 8, 17, 18, 19, 28 > are >> not all there. Hit refresh and no difference. I did try a couple blank > ones >> and they link fine. Considering the huge amount of data you put up, I'm >> surprised it went this well. Labor of love and greatly appreciated. Can't >> wait for the final version. >> >> Portland must be amazing and can't wait to go. Next year, maybe. > Priorities. >> Many years ago I looked down at my yellow arm. Damn I better back off the >> beers. I'm turning yellow. The little one that had a leaky diaper with >> yellow poop is my niece and she is getting married next summer. She has >> already told me, "It won't be a wedding without you uncle Jeff". Wish for > a >> June wedding. I am. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter A Forbes" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:24 PM >> Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing >> >> >> > We have finalised the 34 pages of pictures from our week in the USA, >> > including >> > the USAF Museum at Dayton, Ohio, the Tri-State Engine Show at Portland > and >> > the >> > morning we spent at the Indianapolis Speedway Hall of Fame. >> > >> > As usual, we have created a menu-based listing with large thumbnails, >> > enabling a >> > good view of the pictures without needing to download the page with the >> > picture >> > enlarged. >> > >> > We have not put captions on anything at all, yet, but will be updating >> > during >> > the coming weeks with input from our team of engine spotters on the > Lists. >> > >> > There are 600+ pictures, a bit of a record for us, but it was a good > trip >> > and we >> > had the opportunity to freely snap at anything of interest, and at >> > Portland >> > especially there was plenty to see! >> > >> > We took 2 cameras this year in case of any problems, but the main >> > camera >> > performed flawlessly, although we had to use extra batteries each day >> > because of >> > the amount we used it and the fact that flash was used a lot to balance > up >> > the >> > pictures. >> > >> > There have been access problems on Oldengine.org today, we had delays >> > in >> > connecting earlier on but it seems better now (9pm UK Time) >> > >> > The structure of the directory is such that there are 34 pages with >> > interlinking >> > url's at the bottom of each page. Thus you can jump between pages at > will. >> > Note >> > that at present the main menu does not have the link to the start of >> > the >> > new >> > directory, you will have to enter by the following url: >> > >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Portland04/Portland4menu1.htm >> > >> > If you accidentally exit to the main menu you will have to come back in >> > through >> > this url. >> > >> > If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as > you >> > browse >> > through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are > pages >> > 9 to >> > 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34. >> > >> > Enjoy, and please let me know if you have any linking problems or >> > non-operating >> > pages. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > -- >> > Peter & Rita Forbes >> > diesel at easynet.co.uk >> > Engine pages for preservation info: >> > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 5 18:26:42 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:26:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) References: Message-ID: <013601c493b0$9181b320$240110ac@PaulMaples> Nice pictures Glenn, thanks for posting them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Sep 5 19:12:39 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:12:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A8C4514-FFAA-11D8-B72F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 5 21:36:29 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 00:36:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT ? Pictures Message-ID: <20040906.003629.784.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hey - Paul Waugh - Steve Barr - Luke Tonneberger - Andy Glines - Paul Maples. Man - - - I am amazed at all the pictures you guys have put up on all the different shows. I've been trying to look at some of them. It will take hours - If not days - to look at them all. You guys are the greatest. It must take hours of your time to put so many pics up. Thanks a bunch !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 22:07:50 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:07:50 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: <3A8C4514-FFAA-11D8-B72F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. Skip has enough brawn to spin the Christensen to start it but Not me. Arthur came down one day and he and I started it ok but we worked at it. The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) I asked the group if anyone out in Portland would help me start it with another engine but so far, I haven't heard anyone jump on the oportunity so I am thinking of mounting a NEW 9HP with a rubber wheel just like the oil field engines (I need it for 2 of those anyway). Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:13 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From segray at mlode.com Sun Sep 5 22:40:26 2004 From: segray at mlode.com (Steve Gray) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 22:40:26 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Check out Welcome to Cabin Fever! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <413BF84A.60005@mlode.com> Don't forget this year's show is coming up again October 23 & 24 in Visalia. -Steve -- Steve Gray Member EDGE & TA, Br. 49 & 13 Sonora, California USA e-mail: segray at mlode.com Home page: http://www.oldengineshed.com FRM8198 at aol.com wrote: >Hi List, >Here is a web site that has several pictures of model engines. >http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/ >Some of them are being auctioned. >http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/Info/IFE2004_auction.htm > > >Francis Maciel >Santa Maria, CA 93454 >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 5 23:14:37 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:14:37 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Preliminary Portland Pictures Listing In-Reply-To: <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <003c01c49395$17e17c00$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <025a01c49396$865a5160$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:20:17 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Jeff, > Did you see any engines? All I could fine is some areoplanes and some >old cars--none of which seemed to have anything to do with Portland! I think >it's some sort of false advertising! > Dave There's a guy with red braces in one of them...:-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 5 23:24:06 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:24:06 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - missing links Message-ID: After a few comments from the List guys about missing links, we found that thumbnails 4252 to 4304 were AWOL. We did have FTP problems yesterday with Oldengine.org with broken connections in the middle of transfers etc., and that is still a problem early today for some reason. Anyway, I have resent the whole 604 thumbnails again to try and ensure that they are all present and correct. For those that can't find the engine pictures, pages 9 to 28 are the Portland pages. I did mention that yesterday but it must have got overlooked:- "If you missed anything at Portland, you might find it in the pages as you browse through. Note that the USAF pictures are pages 1 to 8, Portland are pages 9 to 28 and Indianapolis are pages 28 to 34" Page 28 does have some spare positions for any last-minute additions, so there will be blanks at the bottom of the page, and Page 34 has 2 blank positions. If we continue to have problems with connections at Oldengine.org I'll put up the whole set on another site until Jim gets a chance to have a look into the problem. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 5 04:27:55 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 21:27:55 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409060914.i869EVa6085459@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Oh No! Please tell me no one spilt their beer ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 6 03:04:51 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:04:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally Message-ID: <200409061004.i86A4ka6005235@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> I went for a trip on the weekend to attend the Rusty Iron Rally in Macksville for the first time. I had to work Friday night so I left around 2.30am Saturday morning in the new tow vehicle (Nissan Navara Turbo-Diesel). I arrived five hours later after an uneventful trip and unloaded the Austral and the 1hp R&V. It was a much bigger rally than I expected with a lot of nice engines, tractors, steam engines, steam boats, vintage cars, trucks etc. There were various Tangyes, Hornsbys, Blackstones, IHC engines, Aussie made engines, Fairbanks-Morses, a couple of R&Vs (it keeps Peter Lowe happy), and lots of others. I caught up with a lot of engine friends and there was a good turn out of list members. It was great to catch up with Peter and Brad as I seldom get to see the northerners ;) I would guess that around 300 people would have been at the Saturday night dinner at the Macksville RSL and the meal was very good. Peter won a trophy for his R&V and one for Kaye's Maytag. I think the R&V trophy was for worlds slowest paint job ;) Since I had been up since 1.30am I had no trouble getting to sleep that night. Sunday was another great day with lots of events in the arena and a flyover of antique aircraft. I shut the engines down after lunch and was loaded and on the road by 2pm. The trip home was a lot more interesting than the trip up there. I drove into a large storm which at first was torrential rain and then became drizzle, fog and 8 inches of ice on the ground from the hail storm I had just missed. Lots of cars were slipping and sliding (sometimes off the road) but the big Nissan handled the conditions well. I eventually got home and put the trailer away leaving the car out the front. More hail arrived so I was madly throwing any soft covers I could find over the Nissan as it is only a week old! My favourite engine at the rally would have to be the 28hp Tangye Portable which was just enormous and ran like a clock. My other favourite would be the Waterous self propelled portable steam engine. I will not be missing the Rusty Iron rally next year. Almost as good as a National Rally and a lot more relaxed. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 6 03:22:03 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:22:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster Message-ID: <00ce01c493fb$5e6ea380$440d1bd3@athlon> Steve, mate, mail to you is being returned. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From nancydick at keyconn.net Mon Sep 6 08:54:18 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 07:54:18 -0800 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040906075244.023394d8@mail.keyconn.net> Glenn Them are some good looking engines. Which one has the snake in it[grins] R Fink PA At 07:30 PM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pwaugh at mchsi.com Mon Sep 6 05:07:46 2004 From: pwaugh at mchsi.com (Paul) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 07:07:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) References: Message-ID: <005801c4940a$1f8cc700$0300a8c0@paul> Glen long time no talk, darn nice engines Paul W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:07 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > > Skip has enough brawn to spin the Christensen to start it but Not me. > Arthur came down one day and he and I started it ok but we worked > at it. > > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > > I asked the group if anyone out in Portland would help me start it with > another engine but so far, I haven't heard anyone jump on the oportunity > so I am thinking of mounting a NEW 9HP with a rubber wheel just like > the oil field engines (I need it for 2 of those anyway). > > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 10:13 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this > weekend :) > > > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 6 05:28:15 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:28:15 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <000501c4940c$ff1d86a0$8ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From mr at carolina.rr.com Mon Sep 6 05:53:48 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:53:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster References: <00ce01c493fb$5e6ea380$440d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006e01c49410$8dc1ea60$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Reg, contact me off list so that I may assist you. mr at carolina.rr.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:22 AM Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster > Steve, mate, mail to you is being returned. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 06:00:06 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out HOW to start it. I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start 'em! 16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor 15 hp Domestic - push button start 15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the gals at Portland have even done it. Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough charge to fire. If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell 'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > John Culp From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 06:01:22 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <200409060914.i869EVa6085459@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409060914.i869EVa6085459@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: G'day Patrick, Nothing beyond normal spillage.... BTW ALL of the English beer in the crate survived. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Sun, 5 Sep 2004, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Oh No! > Please tell me no one spilt their beer ;) From diesel at easynet.co.uk Mon Sep 6 06:01:19 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 14:01:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] for Steve Royster In-Reply-To: <006e01c49410$8dc1ea60$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> References: <00ce01c493fb$5e6ea380$440d1bd3@athlon> <006e01c49410$8dc1ea60$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Message-ID: <1094475679.413c5f9f7d428@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting Mike Royster : > Reg, contact me off list so that I may assist you. > > mr at carolina.rr.com > > Mike > > Steve, mate, mail to you is being returned. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. Err... Steve, how can Reggie contact you if mail to you is being returned?? or have you emptied your mail box now? :-)) Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Sep 6 07:13:19 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:13:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Glenn, > >On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > >> Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > >No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out >HOW to start it. > >I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But >he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start >'em! > >16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor >15 hp Domestic - push button start >15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the >gals at Portland have even done it. > >Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to >start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted >and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough >charge to fire. > >If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to >something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell >'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll >wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. > >See ya, Arnie Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will roll over and fire without a murmur? Not specifically aimed at Glenn's problem or Dave's ease of starting his own engines which I have seen first-hand at Portland this year, but how many times do you see comments about an engine being a right pig to start, but then as Arnie says, they would never have sold if they were that way when new. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 07:25:55 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> References: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Prepair Ltd wrote: > Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters > with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will > roll over and fire without a murmur? A good case in point is Dave's Famous. The former owner (a member of our club) considered the engine to be a hard-starting piece-of-shit. During the mechanical phase of the restoration, Dave discovered that the timing gears were a couple of teeth out of proper position. When he corrected that the engine was vastly easier to start. Maybe Glenn needs to consult with a Christianson guru like Joe Maurer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 6 09:42:32 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:42:32 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair Message-ID: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> For your holiday viewing pleasure: http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 10:06:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair In-Reply-To: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Hi Rob, WOW!! Way cool show and really interesting engines!! How far from you is the Amador County Fair? Might be worth a visit to the left coast! Do they actually do the mining demos that you describe? Can you access the mine itself? See ya, Arnie PS - Did you get any contact info on "Goatgirl"? She's a real cuteie!! On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Rob Skinner wrote: > For your holiday viewing pleasure: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 6 11:59:47 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:59:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409061859.i86Ixla6053434@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Do they actually do the mining demos that you describe? Can > you access the mine itself? Of course the equipment works! But... the mine isn't really there. The display is on the fairgrounds, so the hole had to be moved in from elsewhere. The only hole that the guys could afford wasn't a real mining hole, it was just a general purpose hole. The headframe is new construction, but the equipment is all original. Gold bearing ore is hauled in from elsewhere for the demonstrations. > PS - Did you get any contact info on "Goatgirl"? She's a > real cuteie!! Nah, she's out of my league. I just posted the picture as more proof that the hottest chicks are to be found west of the Colorado. Rob From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 6 13:03:46 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:03:46 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001701c4944c$9e1fdc50$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Some very good engines Rob, that Samson looks great, I think it would fit in my engine shed :o) Thanks for sharing. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Rob Skinner wrote: > For your holiday viewing pleasure: > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 > From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 08:01:41 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:01:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <3uroj09c70lafdh5i1c05j89p8v1no892g@4ax.com> Message-ID: This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression but I am WEAK. With my friend, we started it ok but not by myself. I've seen Dave's engines start with a push of a button and haven't tried that on this 18HP. It might work! I tried several times on my 9HP without success. That starts easily enough by bouncing back into compression. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Prepair Ltd Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:13 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hi Glenn, > >On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > >> Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > >No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out >HOW to start it. > >I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But >he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start >'em! > >16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor >15 hp Domestic - push button start >15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the >gals at Portland have even done it. > >Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to >start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted >and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough >charge to fire. > >If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to >something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell >'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll >wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. > >See ya, Arnie Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will roll over and fire without a murmur? Not specifically aimed at Glenn's problem or Dave's ease of starting his own engines which I have seen first-hand at Portland this year, but how many times do you see comments about an engine being a right pig to start, but then as Arnie says, they would never have sold if they were that way when new. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 6 14:20:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glenn, I think I see your problem... Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the optimum point to close the valve or compression release. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough > >charge to fire. From dcox at triad.rr.com Mon Sep 6 14:53:39 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:53:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001301c4945b$f8615680$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Thanks for the look at some very fine engines. Just the thing for a rainy NC afternoon. Seems like I have seen the very pretty GoatGirl before :>) Thanks Dallas > For your holiday viewing pleasure: > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/amador04 From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 6 16:00:58 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:00:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Pictures - Amador County Fair In-Reply-To: <001301c4945b$f8615680$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <200409061642.i86Ggja6089999@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <001301c4945b$f8615680$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <9D6F08D4-0058-11D9-889F-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Seems like I have seen the very pretty GoatGirl > before :>) Yep! Don't mind seeing her again anytime, either! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 6 16:24:03 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:24:03 +0800 Subject: [SEL] another test Message-ID: <004001c49468$9c6179c0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 6 16:40:31 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:40:31 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container Message-ID: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 6 16:46:36 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 01:46:36 +0200 Subject: [SEL] another test References: <004001c49468$9c6179c0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000701c4946b$bf6ed5e0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Peter, for your records all your tests come through loud and clear at this side of the big pond. Regards, John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 6 16:52:10 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:52:10 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000801c4946c$8685a1e0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, I don't think this will help much but see http://www.vintageandclassicreproductions.com/UNI-024.jpg Dave Croft From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Sep 6 17:29:51 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:29:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 In-Reply-To: <000a01c492ff$41868ff0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's >>own.<< Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products and I'm still checking some other versions. It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate versions - the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. Geesh! You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work right. The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I could drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other software, it simply opens up almost all ports. I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd party firewall. I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in process we are told. **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The OS will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did in the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and improvement!! After I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my job (part of my new job) It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, it partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall in Windows. There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the point the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be resolved but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a working computer. I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. Bill (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 Hello all, If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good reason. I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming all at once. My comments and recommendations below. For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not for the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as Adaware first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. Can't tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will be a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than nothing. You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are never offered a choice. I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't recommend this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need to. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 6 17:35:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:35:04 -0400 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 References: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <03a601c49472$84d5c040$0400a8c0@Dave> Could we all please put OT in the subject when sending this sort of stuff to the S ENGINE L? Thanks! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > >>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's > >>own.<< > > Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products > and I'm still checking some other versions. > It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate versions - > the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. > Geesh! > You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work > right. > The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I could > drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other software, > it simply opens up almost all ports. > I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd party > firewall. > > I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in > process we are told. > > **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url > spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad > as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if > you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The OS > will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more > getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did in > the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and > improvement!! After > > I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my job > (part of my new job) > It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it > broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, it > partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall > in Windows. > There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the point > the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be resolved > but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! > Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a > working computer. > > I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. > > Bill > (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > > > Hello all, > > If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on > topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good > reason. > > I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming > all at once. My comments and recommendations below. > > For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not for > the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as Adaware > first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. > > The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. Can't > tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It > will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one > or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. > You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will be > a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than > nothing. > > You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? > Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most > users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. > > If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your > settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save > them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are never > offered a choice. > > I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. > Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't recommend > this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need to. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From wilson at stny.rr.com Sat Sep 4 21:10:58 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:10:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <010801c492c6$e399e4b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: What actually happenedt to the engine? If someone wrote it, I missed it. Glenn Wilson From asouth at strato.net Mon Sep 6 18:38:35 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:38:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Frances update 9-6-04 9:21 EST Message-ID: <00c601c4947b$646fbff0$8922d7cc@Arthur> Hello folks, Some of you receiving this message have already been visited by Hurricane Frances, some of you are still awaiting her arrival, and some of you are lucky and didn't have to worry about her at all. Deana and I and all of our local family came through Frances with no more added damage than we already had from Charley three weeks ago. A lot of Gale force winds and less than two inches of rain. I hope all of you who were or will be affected by Frances come through without any damage. I'm ready for this to be over, but here comes Ivan! And we live in Florida because............................ Here's hoping the best of luck to all of you in Frances' path. C'ya, Arthur Arthur Southwell Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 19:08:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:08:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 References: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <000e01c4947f$a2d2fbf0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, Thanks for the comments. I respect your opinion and I do know your background. I'll take the beating because I do take care of computers for freinds and family so I need to be prepared for what is coming my way. I don't do it for a fee, but the great big smile and hug makes it all worth it. Would never consider doing for a living. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dickerson" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 >>>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's >>>own.<< > > Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products > and I'm still checking some other versions. > It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate > versions - > the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. > Geesh! > You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work > right. > The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I > could > drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other > software, > it simply opens up almost all ports. > I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd > party > firewall. > > I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in > process we are told. > > **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url > spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be bad > as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners if > you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The > OS > will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more > getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did > in > the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and > improvement!! After > > I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my > job > (part of my new job) > It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it > broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, > it > partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the firewall > in Windows. > There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the > point > the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be > resolved > but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! > Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a > working computer. > > I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. > > Bill > (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org > Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > > > Hello all, > > If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on > topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good > reason. > > I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming > all at once. My comments and recommendations below. > > For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not > for > the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as > Adaware > first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. > > The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. > Can't > tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. It > will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off one > or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have one. > You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will > be > a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better than > nothing. > > You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? > Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most > users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. > > If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your > settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save > them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are > never > offered a choice. > > I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they care. > Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't > recommend > this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need > to. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 19:28:17 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:28:17 -0600 Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 References: <003f01c49471$cebf10e0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> <03a601c49472$84d5c040$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <002701c49482$5603b780$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dave, Sorry but I think this is on topic and that is the reason for my subject line. Service pack 2 will affect all of us that use Windows XP to communicate on this list, share engine pictures, etc. It is a big deal and that is why I brought it up. Wish I could take a Maytag ax to all of this crap software, but it just don't work that way. All opinions are welcome, and I won't do it again if those on the list think I'm out of line. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > Could we all please put OT in the subject when sending this sort of stuff > to > the S ENGINE L? Thanks! > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Dickerson" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:29 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 > > >> >>The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's >> >>own.<< >> >> Not all versions - it definitely won't recognize their corporate products >> and I'm still checking some other versions. >> It uses the wrong executable to look for and verify the corporate > versions - >> the morons at MS simply have no clue how other people's software works. >> Geesh! >> You must apply patches to the Symantec corporate versions for it to work >> right. >> The built-in Windows firewall is also pretty lame - I've found holes I > could >> drive a truck through. When using certain remote control and other > software, >> it simply opens up almost all ports. >> I still will not use the Windows "firewall" and still recommend a 3rd > party >> firewall. >> >> I'd recommend waiting for SP2 until the dust settles - some fixes are in >> process we are told. >> >> **** There are some GOOD things - they have resolved the address/url >> spoofing issue with IE and IE now blocks pop-ups, however, that can be >> bad >> as some sites rely on them - but it's easy to bypass even for beginners >> if >> you need those popups on a particular site. So IE is a lot safer now. The > OS >> will now block incoming net traffic that it didn't request so no more >> getting an infection before your antivirus and firewall load like it did > in >> the past. I won't get technical here but that is a HUGE advance and >> improvement!! After >> >> I've been testing this thing on 6 computers for 2 weeks or so - it's my > job >> (part of my new job) >> It's thoroughly trashed a Dell notebook, we had to remove SP2 and then it >> broke SP1 in the process. The notebook still isn't right. On the others, > it >> partially broke Symantec corporate antivirus until I disabled the >> firewall >> in Windows. >> There is an 18% failure rate, 11% of those being "critical" or to the > point >> the OS needed to be reloaded, 7% being minor - issues that could be > resolved >> but took a pro or some time. The download is 260 meg - not for dial-up! >> Install at your own risk! 18% is a pretty high chance of you not having a >> working computer. >> >> I've got it on CD as a Microsoft developer deal. >> >> Bill >> (dealing with antivirus and security for over 15 years now) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com >> [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Allen >> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 11:17 PM >> To: The SEL email discussion list; stationary-engine at oldengine.org >> Subject: [SEL] ON TOPIC! XP Service pack 2 >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> If you are reading this you are using a computer and I consider this on >> topic. Security is an issue and now and then we bring it up here for good >> reason. >> >> I just did the service pack 2 for Windows XP tonight. Very time consuming >> all at once. My comments and recommendations below. >> >> For most users wait a few weeks or so while things work out. This is not > for >> the timid or average user. You need to run a spyware program such as > Adaware >> first. If you don't have it get it and use it on a regular basis. >> >> The update will recognize Norton anti virus and firewall on it's own. > Can't >> tell you if it's up to date and so far I haven't figured out if it can. >> It >> will warn you though. If you have a firewall you will have to turn off >> one >> or the other. Windows will turn theirs on by default even if you have >> one. >> You have to turn it off to make the one you are using work or there will > be >> a conflict. The XP firewall is marginal if you don't have one. Better >> than >> nothing. >> >> You will have an irritation that tells you your system is not safe. Why? >> Because Micro$oft won't recognize the security that many are using. Most >> users should turn on the automatic update option, but I don't use it. >> >> If you use Outlook for e-mail you will have to manually change your >> settings. Any and all attachments are blocked completely. You can't save >> them, open them, or look at them. This is done by default and you are > never >> offered a choice. >> >> I will pitch a bitch to Micro$soft about these issues as though they >> care. >> Makes me feel good though like mashing a printer. For now I don't > recommend >> this update for the average user. I'll update on this if I think I need > to. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 19:50:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:50:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Mr. Maytag Message-ID: <003201c49485$77237470$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Many times I have read on the lists that you can't run a Maytag, until you are six. Neighbor kids came down tonight so I could air up the tires on the bikes. Garrett had a great big smile on his face and opened the fuel valve and lit it. His words: "Papa, I did it all by myself". First time and he is six. Pictures there are none. Don't need em. Couldn't have brought the camera out fast enough. Great big smiles? Oh yes and some short ones introduced to our passion. Wish I could share the smile in my heart when he lit it on his own for the first time. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 07:59:32 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:59:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've got a better idea - I'll bring it to Portland in 2005 and you can show me how easy the 1500 lbs of flywheels and clutch pulley turn :) I'll have a little cheater motor on it just in case a problem crops up. Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:26 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Peter, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Prepair Ltd wrote: > Strange how some engines acquire a reputation for being bad starters > with some owners, while others will have the same engine and it will > roll over and fire without a murmur? A good case in point is Dave's Famous. The former owner (a member of our club) considered the engine to be a hard-starting piece-of-shit. During the mechanical phase of the restoration, Dave discovered that the timing gears were a couple of teeth out of proper position. When he corrected that the engine was vastly easier to start. Maybe Glenn needs to consult with a Christianson guru like Joe Maurer? See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 6 22:40:23 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:40:23 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 6 23:24:28 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:24:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT XP Service pack 2 In-Reply-To: <002701c49482$5603b780$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200409070624.i876OLa6081367@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Jeff, It is on topic if it relates to engines. Few would have a problem if you just put OT in the header and not 'ON TOPIC' (shouting as well) when there is no way it is on topic. That way people would just be able to delete it if they did not have the time to plow through all the posts. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Dave, Sorry but I think this is on topic and that is the reason for my subject line. Service pack 2 will affect all of us that use Windows XP to communicate on this list, share engine pictures, etc. It is a big deal and that is why I brought it up. Wish I could take a Maytag ax to all of this crap software, but it just don't work that way. All opinions are welcome, and I won't do it again if those on the list think I'm out of line. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 19:16:56 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 22:16:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: <013601c493b0$9181b320$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: The weird thing is - the Christensen is more green than blue but the picture looks Very blue! Weird. Weird. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 9:27 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) Nice pictures Glenn, thanks for posting them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Wilson" To: ".Newsgroup ATIS" Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Sun Sep 5 16:39:56 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:39:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <026d01c4939c$81668f60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Dave, what really happened to the engine itself? I saw the picture of the box tipped over - - but what damage did the engine sustain? Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 7:03 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments > That's good to hear Dave;-) > Plus I think that the Lorenz took it pretty good right?;-) > Harry Terpstra Hi Harry, It's a GREAT feeling to not have to take responsibility for one's actions and to just blame someone else for all the bad things that happen. I think I'm going to like being a democrat! Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 15:13:51 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:13:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, you don't see the problem - it turns HARDER than heck even before you get into compression. You'll see next Aug. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:21 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Glenn, I think I see your problem... Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the optimum point to close the valve or compression release. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough > >charge to fire. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Tue Sep 7 03:42:15 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:42:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container In-Reply-To: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040907204124.00b68e40@mail.ncable.com.au> Peter I have 2, both are in average condition but both are also painted or at least have the remains of RED paint on them. Russell At 07:40 AM 7/09/2004 +0800, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal >,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. >Peter Ogborne >Little Grove ,Albany >West Australia >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Tue Sep 7 04:04:06 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:04:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <006501c494ca$66825a60$f309a4cb@km> G'Day Peter . RED, I have one in the shed Kerry From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 7 04:10:33 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:10:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <002d01c494cb$4f697600$ada226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks John, what a great pic .....I reckon i will go for yellow with red lettering . ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 07:16:40 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:16:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you can show me your stuff :) Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:00 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Glenn, On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out HOW to start it. I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start 'em! 16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor 15 hp Domestic - push button start 15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the gals at Portland have even done it. Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough charge to fire. If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell 'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > John Culp _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 6 07:14:20 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:14:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20040906075244.023394d8@mail.keyconn.net> Message-ID: Neither - that was the 60HP Fairbanks from AR :) Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Richard Fink Sr Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:54 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] my pictures from Ruden's Olde Tyme Farm Days this weekend :) Glenn Them are some good looking engines. Which one has the snake in it[grins] R Fink PA At 07:30 PM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote: >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christensen_18HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Christen_18HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP.jpg >http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/Economy_9HP_Display_Sign.jpg > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 7 08:36:51 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:36:51 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments Message-ID: Strand board, chip board, plywood, are all acceptable woods since they are heated during the manufacturing process. It is raw wood which is the problem. Actually the term used by the regulations is "non-manufactured wood". The big deal is that the EU is trying to prevent the pinewood nematode from spreading. If you search the internet you can find numerous websites dealing with shipping requirements for wood crates. I think the main concern is for crates leaving North America and being shipped to the EU. Since we already have pinewood nematodes, there shouldn't be a concern for EU countries shipping the few nematodes they have back to us! On the crates I've shipped to Harry in the past I used standard pallets or pallet bases I made from Douglas fir and built the framework of the crate with fir as well. Then used a strand board skin to complete the crate. Had not questions or problems shipping these crates. I don't have a problem changing how I build the pallet and frame it to eliminate the use of raw wood, and of course the strand board covering is no problem as it is a manufactured wood. The problem I have is if I have to start paying someone to certify the crate meets the EU requirements. George From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Sep 7 09:32:53 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:32:53 -0600 Subject: [SEL] decal question please Message-ID: Howdy all...live is good!!! On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this look. Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I have the same stencil looking effect? Appreciate any advise!! TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 7 09:41:24 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Glenn, At the risk of stating the obvious, if your engine is hard to turn over without compression, something's out of adjustment. Fix that and you'll be back on track. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin > WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... > Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you > can show me your stuff :) From fero_ah at city-net.com Tue Sep 7 09:57:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 12:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Well, the CRATE was nicely made of "manufactured" chip board. http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/tillieuk.htm Good job no one asked about the engine SKID inside. Probably a tonne and a half of nice fresh juicy Pennsylvania white oak. I guess the EU hasn't heard (yet) about the dreaded white oak nema-toad. Trust me, that is one bad-assed frog with ATTITUDE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50736&item=3249911600 See ya, Arnie On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > Strand board, chip board, plywood, are all acceptable woods since they > are heated during the manufacturing process. It is raw wood which is > the problem. Actually the term used by the regulations is > "non-manufactured wood". > > The big deal is that the EU is trying to prevent the pinewood nematode > from spreading. From nick at holden1.net Tue Sep 7 11:29:07 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:29:07 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <413DFDF3.000006.02528@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi to All just joined the list can anyone help with the best way to ship an engine from the USA to England and any idea of cost thanks Nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/07/04 17:56:00 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments Hi George, Well, the CRATE was nicely made of "manufactured" chip board. http://www.insulate.co.uk/jim/tillieuk.htm Good job no one asked about the engine SKID inside. Probably a tonne and a half of nice fresh juicy Pennsylvania white oak. I guess the EU hasn't heard (yet) about the dreaded white oak nema-toad. Trust me, that is one bad-assed frog with ATTITUDE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50736&item=3249911600 See ya, Arnie On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > Strand board, chip board, plywood, are all acceptable woods since they > are heated during the manufacturing process. It is raw wood which is > the problem. Actually the term used by the regulations is > "non-manufactured wood". > > The big deal is that the EU is trying to prevent the pinewood nematode > from spreading. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 7 11:42:42 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:42:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: Message-ID: <413E0122.5010106@imc-group.com> Rick, If you have a good surface behind you will not need to trim your water transfer decal. It absolutely will disappear as it dries. Beside trimming would ruin a WT decal. Curt Holland P.S. Where can Hercules WT decals be bought? I used all mine on the Herc saw rig. Need 4 more..... Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all...live is good!!! > > On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the >transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this look. > > Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: >Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I have >the same stencil looking effect? > > Appreciate any advise!! > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Sep 7 12:00:19 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:00:19 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Oldengine.org FTP problems over the weekend. Message-ID: Seems that a few of us with pictures to post to Oldengine.org had problems with the FTP process over the weekend. Certainly I did, and so did Patrick Livingstone amongst others. I emailed Jim Dunmyer and he has advised that a change was made to a firewall setting by the service guy (Greg) , but that it has now been sorted and the problems should be over. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 7 13:35:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:35:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Message-ID: <413E1B9F.000003.03136@NOTEBOOK> Hey all, back from a "mini" vacation with a load of goodies Picked up one of those little Johnson Motors, complete and running Picked up a bushel basket of Magnetos in various conditions And from my Mom got a complete collection of GEM Magazines, from issue 1 # 1 I think I'll be busy for a little while catching up on my reading!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 7 13:52:31 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:52:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics Message-ID: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From fbi at insulate.co.uk Tue Sep 7 14:08:26 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:08:26 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments References: <413DFDF3.000006.02528@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <413E234A.EAA178A6@insulate.co.uk> Hi Nick We've done it a few times, and it doesn't get any easier. The last time we did it (Feb of this year), the engine had to be taken to Baltimore from Pittsburgh - no mean feat in itself in deep snow! Cost is calculated by volume rather than weight - apparantly it's almost impossible to achieve the weight limits unless you're shipping a crate packed from corner to corner with nuts and bolts. Our customs will hit you for VAT, at a level dependent on the day of the week, the weather and the current state of the custom's officer's home life. Ask if there's any more you need to know! Dolly & Jim nick wrote: > Hi to All > > just joined the list can anyone help with the best way to ship an > > engine from the USA to England and any idea of cost > > thanks Nick > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Tue Sep 7 14:38:40 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:38:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001001c49523$0a826c10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Patrick, you have 39 blanks in your pages. John H. > Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 7 15:03:56 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:03:56 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > Cost is calculated by volume rather than weight - apparently > it's almost impossible to achieve the weight limits unless > you're shipping a crate packed from corner to corner with > nuts and bolts. > Our customs will hit you for VAT, at a level dependent on the > day of the week, the weather and the current state of the > custom's officer's home life. > Dolly & Jim As noted above, the size of the crate is what you will be charged for, not the weight. So when shipping an engine it reduces the shipping cost if you can take it apart somewhat to enable the crate to be smaller. For example if the engine is on a cart, take the wheels off the cart to make the crate shorter. Also since you're paying for the crate, not the weight, it doesn't cost any more to add extra items into the crate in any available space. When Harry and I exchange crates we often pack in all sorts of extra parts and junk that the other may appreciate. I know John Hammink is anxiously awaiting to have some of his "filler" parts added to a crate to be shipped to Harry. You can also save the receiving party some money (taxes, customs) by "correctly" listing the contents of your crate. Don't list "museum quality restored antique engine" when "used" or "obsolete engine and parts" works fine. I have an invoice I made up for "Obsolete Engine Parts & Salvage". The declared value of salvage parts is pretty reasonable ;-) George From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 7 15:39:21 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:39:21 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <5.2.0.9.2.20040907204124.00b68e40@mail.ncable.com.au> Message-ID: <002a01c4952b$8847dd80$96a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> thanks Russell ..........seems that red or yellow was the colour. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Gilbert" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Peter I have 2, both are in average condition but both are also painted or > at least have the remains of RED paint on them. > Russell > > At 07:40 AM 7/09/2004 +0800, you wrote: > >Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > >,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > >Peter Ogborne > >Little Grove ,Albany > >West Australia > >''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > Russell Gilbert > Sunny Sunraysia > russell at ncable.com.au > http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From alanb2 at webtv.net Tue Sep 7 16:28:10 2004 From: alanb2 at webtv.net (Alan Bowen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:28:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: "Glenn Wilson" 's message of Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: <24682-413E440A-5260@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Hi Glenn, If the engine is THAT tight it is my opinion that something is wrong. Is it in the bearings or the piston? I would add a shim in every bearing cap and see if that loosens it up. I would add temporary shims until I knew they were all loose. If it ain't there how about pulling the piston by hand with someone holding a valve open? Do ya need to clean your ring grooves? Are your rings too tight? Something is wrong, Go find it. Please tell us about it when you figure it out. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Glenn?Wilson wrote~~~~~~ Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you can show me your stuff :) Glenn From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 7 16:36:00 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:36:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. http://www.rbm.com.au/rally Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, $375 per exhibitor! For three days. (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the way things are going. I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Sep 7 17:01:25 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:01:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re:Shell Petrol container Message-ID: <20040908000126.3090.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Peter I seem to recall Red with the Shell shell logo in yellow. I do have a Castrol 2 gall one here which has remnants of green. Can you contact the Shell oil co in Perth and ask someone who knows (or cares), if there is such a person these days? Graham in Oz PS Pretty silly tins in one way - the pour spout was too small, so often ya see a nail hole punched in the top! (it spoils them of course). Message: 32 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 07:40:23 +0200 From: "John Hammink" Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container To: "The SEL email discussion list" Message-ID: <000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5 at Sixmjohn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 7 17:12:29 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:12:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics In-Reply-To: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Very nice! As always, I love the Australs! The Blackstones with the curved flywheel spokes are gorgeous! John On Sep 7, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html > Enjoy! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 17:17:44 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] decal question please In-Reply-To: <413E0122.5010106@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040908001744.38623.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Trimming a water WT will not ruin it. If the decal has excess carrier film it should be trimmed close with a very sharp blade. Also you will need a smooth gloss surface if you want that decal to stay on and for the carrier film to dissappear. Also make sure the surface is CLEAN. Wetting the surface will help prevent trapped air and silvering. Curt Holland wrote: Rick, If you have a good surface behind you will not need to trim your water transfer decal. It absolutely will disappear as it dries. Beside trimming would ruin a WT decal. Curt Holland P.S. Where can Hercules WT decals be bought? I used all mine on the Herc saw rig. Need 4 more..... Richard Strobel wrote: > Howdy all...live is good!!! > > On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the >transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this look. > > Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: >Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I have >the same stencil looking effect? > > Appreciate any advise!! > > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Sep 7 17:19:22 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:19:22 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay Message-ID: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> G'day Oz mates Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From ozengine at yahoo.com.au Tue Sep 7 17:37:02 2004 From: ozengine at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Graham=20Harris?=) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:37:02 +1000 (EST) Subject: [SEL] Re Rusty Iron Rally Pics & pics from other SEL members Message-ID: <20040908003702.33729.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Patrick Great pictures as per your usual standard. Thanks, enjoyed 'em muchly. What a good rally it was. It looked like Brad had his 10HP M there. Also thanks to other list members who have posted show pics lately. I've been a bit slack replying! Graham in Oz Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 7 18:39:52 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:39:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff Message-ID: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Seems I have upset some on the list and I apologize. I yelled on topic to get everyone's attention. I felt and still feel most users should not install the XP service pack if they use a PC with XP. My mailbox tells me I did a bad thing and it won't happen again. Some kind comments and ..... No more computer stuff from me on the list. Off list I'll try to help anyone I can. On list, I don't even know how to turn one on. Not worth the grief. Sorry to those I offended. It was not my intention. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 7 18:56:08 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:56:08 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <001001c49523$0a826c10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <001401c49547$03472f70$240110ac@PaulMaples> Same with me John. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hammink" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics > Hi Patrick, you have 39 blanks in your pages. > > John H. > > > >> Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html >> Enjoy! >> >> Patrick M Livingstone >> Leichhardt NSW >> http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >> http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Sep 7 18:58:10 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:58:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY In-Reply-To: <413E1B9F.000003.03136@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Add a WOW to that boy, well, you ole sob. Good haul, I'd love to know what sort of bait you used on that vacation to make such a catch. GEM Issue 1 #1, I'd like to see that - I have some old uns, but not THAT old. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Hey all, back from a "mini" vacation with a load of goodies Picked up one of those little Johnson Motors, complete and running Picked up a bushel basket of Magnetos in various conditions And from my Mom got a complete collection of GEM Magazines, from issue 1 # 1 I think I'll be busy for a little while catching up on my reading!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adpnaut1 at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 7 19:10:03 2004 From: adpnaut1 at bellsouth.net (Don Riedel) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 21:10:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> Jeff, You were on target; some people are a tad too sensitive. Having installed the service pack, I agree with you. Funny how people accept "on target" off color remarks and babe pictures but hate "geeks". Don From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 7 19:28:45 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:28:45 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY References: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <413E6E5D.000001.02672@NOTEBOOK> Well if ya talk real sweet to me, whisper something nice in the wife's ear, and buy me a cup of java we could probably arrange a peek!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/07/04 22:16:15 To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: RE: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Add a WOW to that boy, well, you ole sob. Good haul, I'd love to know what sort of bait you used on that vacation to make such a catch. GEM Issue 1 #1, I'd like to see that - I have some old uns, but not THAT old. Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jacobs Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:36 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY Hey all, back from a "mini" vacation with a load of goodies Picked up one of those little Johnson Motors, complete and running Picked up a bushel basket of Magnetos in various conditions And from my Mom got a complete collection of GEM Magazines, from issue 1 # 1 I think I'll be busy for a little while catching up on my reading!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 7 19:36:26 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:36:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Maytag motor needed, Message-ID: <00ec01c4954c$a3c86950$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, There is a guy I've come to know that runs a peanut roaster with Maytag 92. He is in Yuma, Colorado for the threshing show this weekend and he need a running motor. His quit and he can't seem to get it running. Mine is not for sale as the grandson and I built it together and he also started if for the first time last night on his own. Please save the Maytag jokes for later. He is semi retired and does the engine shows with this rig for money. If anyone can help contact me off list and I'll hook you up with him. Quite a request, but I can't think of a better bunch to go to. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 7 19:35:28 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally In-Reply-To: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <20040908023528.92155.qmail@web20226.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Reg, I will get some numbers as to what we spend putting on our show at the meeting next week. Usually is has been around $20,000 to $25,000. Some of the costs attributed to the show are for things we use all year long, like our insurance and fuel costs. Basically the vendor fees collected for swap meet space pay to put on the show and the ticket sales to spectators and our commission on the food vendors sales (15% of their declared gross receipts) is all profit. The one that got me was $20,000 for security. For years we never had any, but then we started with one rent-a-cop on the days and two at night. Still, it costs us less than $1,000 and we have had no problems at all with theft, vandalism, etc. $10,000 for portable toilets seems awful high. Maybe it is different here, we clean them up and use them again and again! Do they charge admission for spectators? Is there any money left after the bills are paid? Where does it go? As an officer in our club, I can tell you that the decisions on how and where to spend money are scrutinised closely. We have a responsibility to spend wisely. Sometimes that doesn't happen as good as it should, but the need to get competitive prices on simular products is very important. How do you know this organization is spending wisely? How and to whom are these people accountable? These are important questions, and bear answering. I like to agitate. If I were you, I would go to this show as a spectator and wear a sign on my back saying why I wasn't exhibiting. Since my backside is substantially larger than yours, I could get a lot of detail into those statements. Talk to exhibitors about it. Question authority. Later, Mate! Joe --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, > $375 > per exhibitor! For three days. > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but > it > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the > way > things are going. > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the > high > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 8 04:25:13 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:25:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines Message-ID: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought myself a new tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old engines. The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased with it after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier engines. Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 7 21:54:15 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:54:15 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics In-Reply-To: <001001c49523$0a826c10$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200409080454.i884s6dm053837@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> All fixed now :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, you have 39 blanks in your pages. John H. From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Sep 7 22:08:40 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:08:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if 6 foot wheels for the same weight turn easier than 4 foot wheels. glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:41 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Glenn, At the risk of stating the obvious, if your engine is hard to turn over without compression, something's out of adjustment. Fix that and you'll be back on track. See ya, Arnie On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin > WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... > Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you > can show me your stuff :) _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From wilson at stny.rr.com Tue Sep 7 22:14:11 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:14:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <24682-413E440A-5260@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: My guess would be the main bearings - - - but it runs all day long. Wouldn't that loosen these kind of bearings up just by running it? Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Alan Bowen Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:28 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Hi Glenn, If the engine is THAT tight it is my opinion that something is wrong. Is it in the bearings or the piston? I would add a shim in every bearing cap and see if that loosens it up. I would add temporary shims until I knew they were all loose. If it ain't there how about pulling the piston by hand with someone holding a valve open? Do ya need to clean your ring grooves? Are your rings too tight? Something is wrong, Go find it. Please tell us about it when you figure it out. Alan Bowen alanb2 at webtv.net Williamsburg, Michigan ~~~~~Glenn?Wilson wrote~~~~~~ Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you can show me your stuff :) Glenn _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Tue Sep 7 20:30:03 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:30:03 EDT Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff Message-ID: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> Hi Jeff; You did not offend me and like some of the other people on the list that needed info. on computer problems, we appreciated the info. I asked a question about a computer problem about two years ago and one person put an abusive letter on the list about it, before I had posted pretty regular and enjoyed it but after that I hardly ever post any more. But if I see OT in the subject line I still know where my delete key is. An OLE engine friend, Bill Miller. From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 7 22:39:53 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:39:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please Message-ID: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Rick, Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal look. And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. Why make it hard on yourself ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 7 22:33:47 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:33:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Crates in International Shipments Message-ID: <20040908.015153.1204.4.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Nick, I think you should contract Dave & Arnie - I hear they're cheap - - -(Work for beer) and - - - efficient. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From benzengines at tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 7 12:14:46 2004 From: benzengines at tiscali.co.uk (craig morrison) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:14:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] SEL list members hospitality Message-ID: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> I would sincerly like to thank all the members of the list that I met recently on my trip to the other side of the pond , to visit the Badger steam and gas show and the Tristate show at Portland.It was nice to meet so many friendly people for the first time. Regards Craig from Scotland From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 00:23:56 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 08:23:56 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay In-Reply-To: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3rctj09ejf39ck1hfmstfi5n2fqll2h7kg@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:19:22 +1000 (EST), you wrote: >G'day Oz mates > >Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I >remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him >an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > >Graham in Oz Tom passed away just over a week ago, Graham. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 01:47:40 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:47:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <010a01c49581$f73ce720$97111bd3@athlon> Sad to say but, I think he has passed on. I can't remember who told me but................... Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay > G'day Oz mates > > Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I > remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him > an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > > Graham in Oz > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 8 03:06:56 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:06:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <007101c4958b$943ff9f0$5fe131d2@km> G'Day Reg Come on get serious, the link you provided to the entry form was last up dated 7th Feb and I could see no statement to the $150 per entry, even if you uncovered it somewhere we all know it would be a mistake. You know what the cost of per exhibitor is at Portland so tell us etc. We all only have to make one choice Go or No Go. See you there Kerry PS. You did well in getting them to look at entry for ONE family member, but this is now standard in a lot of things at least in vintage cars > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, $375 > per exhibitor! For three days. > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the way > things are going. > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > Reg & Marg Ingold. From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 8 02:47:42 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:47:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004b01c49588$e3e40940$5fe131d2@km> G'Day Graham I did read with sorrow on the UK list that Tom past away with his cancer. Kerry > G'day Oz mates > > Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I > remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him > an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > > Graham in Oz > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 8 03:43:08 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:43:08 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments References: Message-ID: <00cc01c49590$a1bec5c0$5fe131d2@km> G'Day All For the full story on International freighting of wood for ALL our countries see http://www.dhx.com/ispm15.cfm?CFID=500869&CFTOKEN=58279712 Manufactured wood is ok as is fumigation Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 8 03:59:57 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:59:57 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics References: <200409072052.i87KqOa6030495@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001401c49593$2e940440$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics > Pictures from last weekend's Rusty Iron Rally are now up at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri041.html > Enjoy! > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ Hi Patrick, Thanks for the pictures. Was the showground a horseracing track? The railings make me think that. Dave Croft From nancydick at keyconn.net Wed Sep 8 08:20:29 2004 From: nancydick at keyconn.net (Richard Fink Sr) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 07:20:29 -0800 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20040908071749.00b36cd0@mail.keyconn.net> Jeff some may be a bit concerned about the post. But then there is still some that ain't computer genius and appreciate the information. So thanks R Fink PA At 07:39 PM 9/7/2004 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Seems I have upset some on the list and I apologize. I yelled on topic to >get everyone's attention. I felt and still feel most users should not >install the XP service pack if they use a PC with XP. My mailbox tells me >I did a bad thing and it won't happen again. Some kind comments and ..... >No more computer stuff from me on the list. Off list I'll try to help >anyone I can. On list, I don't even know how to turn one on. Not worth the >grief. Sorry to those I offended. It was not my intention. > >Regards, > >Jeff Allen >Arvada, Colorado USA > >http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >http://frapa.us/ >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Tue Sep 7 21:26:39 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:56:39 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003a01c4955c$14741be0$7beefea9@SKitto> Reg I think you will find that this figure is for trade exhibitors, those who are going to make financial gain out of their site, not those who exhibit old engines etc., As a member of the organising club let me say that the costs of the event are huge and the club is anticipating very little profit. The local community is putting in huge donations of inkind support, ie free cranes for unloading etc. I have been staggered at some of the costs, but tohave an event of this size and to satisfy local authorities, exhibitors etc, they are part of it. Anyone who has been in a club that has organised a rally will appreciate many of the dilemas that we are facing. Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "List SEL" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, $375 > per exhibitor! For three days. > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the way > things are going. > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Wed Sep 8 06:05:58 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:05:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] System outage - Frances Message-ID: <200409080905580843.002FB87D@heavyiron.atis.net> Just wanted to let everyone know that the ATIS servers were down for several hours overnight while crews repaired downed lines nearby. A large oak knocked out power and data lines. The outage lasted a few hours, though access was spotty before and after the main outage as Duke Power and Time Warner had trouble throughout the region. I understand that data access will continue to be spotty, as they roll lines in and out of the grid for repairs. I have not seen any of these rolls so hopefully they are in areas outside of my concentrator. By the way, the power backup unit I have carried us through most of the blackout, but the data line is actually what caused the outage. While we are indeed back up, all incoming mail comes through a SPAM service who only now is retrying mail delivery so I am not sure how long it will take for any queued mail to get delivered to me Fortunately, Frances was polite enough to strike overnight and I am not sure that all that much mail and web traffic was affected. Hope all is well with everyone else, PS: 3.5+" of rain in the gauge, 50mph wind gusts last night, and its' still pouring buckets PSS Click here for current radar. I am about 10 miles west of Winston-Salem: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.kfcx.shtml Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Wed Sep 8 06:04:22 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:04:22 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines References: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000701c495a4$5bef6f90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Nice car Patrick, you even can take a nap in the back. What weight are these Nissan's? Overhere you may not pull a weight lager than the car. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought myself a new > tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old engines. > The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased with it > after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier engines. > Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG > > P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From welch at ii.net Wed Sep 8 07:47:51 2004 From: welch at ii.net (Charles Welch) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:47:51 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mckay Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20040908224745.01edb2c8@mail.iinet.net.au> Hello Graham, I don't know if anybody has posted this info yet, but I regret to advise you that Tom shuffled off this mortal coil two weeks ago. The service was last week. The chapel was packed - standing room only. A sad day. No greater accolade can one say of an Aussie, but that he was a good bloke. regards ... Charles Welch At 09:08 AM 08/09/2004 Wednesday, Graham Harris wrote: >G'day Oz mates > >Could someone please let me have Tom's email. I >remember he was a bit crook and it's time I sent him >an email. Thanks. I don't think he is on-list now. > >Graham in Oz From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 8 08:09:14 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:09:14 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone Message-ID: <413F209A.000005.00676@NOTEBOOK> Having just spent 5 days up north with my Mom I got some startling news. She and my Dad collected everything antique for many many years, now at the age of 83 she's decided to hold a sale and get rid of much of the collections. (Dad passed away 16 years ago today). If the ladies like antique dolls, china, furniture, and about anything else "household" there will be lots for them to see and, of course, buy. For us old iron people, the specialty of the house is International Harvester. Dad was an IH dealer for 20 years or so and never threw anything away. There is literally tons of literature on old IH equipment. Parts manuals, Shop manuals, advertising slicks, posters and you name it. All is in "NEW" condition!! In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 in the garage. Too much stuff to remember it all but sometime in the spring (when the final dates are set) I'll let you all know if you're at all interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 8 08:35:40 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:35:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help Message-ID: Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a 5/6 throttle governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? George From rskinner at rustyiron.com Wed Sep 8 08:38:40 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:38:40 -0700 Subject: [SEL] SEL list members hospitality In-Reply-To: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <200409081538.i88Fchdm084124@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > I would sincerly like to thank all the members of the list > that I met recently on my trip to the other side of the pond > , to visit the Badger steam and gas show and the Tristate > show at Portland.It was nice to meet so many friendly people > for the first time. > Regards Craig from Scotland Hey dude! Welcome to the list. Rob From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 8 08:40:59 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:40:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting References: Message-ID: <05a101c495ba$3d63e8b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Glenn, You have something binding somewhere. With the compression released (ie "WITHOUT any compression") the wheels should spin w/out very much effort at all. Find what is binding, and correct the problem! Dave > Yea right - grab ahold of these flywheel and try to give them a spin > WITHOUT any compression and then tell me what you think...... > Come on over - it is on the trailer at the moment, right out where you > can show me your stuff :) > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:00 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting > > > Hi Glenn, > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > Because I am a WHIMPPPPP. > > No, I think your engine isn't setup right or you just haven't figgered out > HOW to start it. > > I think all will agree that Dave Rotigel is no massive weight lifter. But > he starts all of his engines himself. Hell, he even has the ladies start > 'em! > > 16 hp Gallaway - tickles the ignitor > 15 hp Domestic - push button start > 15 hp (20 hp?) Famous - a bit more elaborate starting procedure, but the > gals at Portland have even done it. > > Spend some time with your engine and experiment. If it's really hard to > start, SOMETHING is out of adjustment. If everything is properly adjusted > and in good mechanical order, then you just need to learn HOW to do it. > > Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining enough > charge to fire. > > If the only way to start an engine was to be a hulk or to belt it up to > something else, these engine companies wouldn't have been able to sell > 'em. That 18 hp Christianson IS called "The Farmer's Friend" and I'll > wager that they didn't sell it with a pony motor or an air start. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > > The 9HP was the EASY way to start the Christensen :))))) > > http://home.stny.rr.com/monitorfixer/both.jpg > > How come the Christensen and Economy were belted together? > > John Culp > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From yostsw at atis.net Wed Sep 8 08:53:35 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:53:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SPAM from old server References: <200409080905580843.002FB87D@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200409081153350640.00CA2F66@heavyiron.atis.net> I need to remind everyone as some folks have forgotten the Internet server newidea.atis.net does NOT belong to me anymore. This server belongs to the software company I sold a few months ago. They are in the process of replacing it but I have no idea when this will be finished (it was supposed to be done in July so I have no hope it will be done timely )-: ) I tell you this because current management has done a poor job of spam prevention and has not torn down a few mailing lists they accidentally restored back in June after a disk failure that occurred after I sold the company(this was the failure that forced me to bring up heavyiron.atis.net earlier than I was supposed to). Now these mailing lists and the addresses on them are active again. That means that spammers are using my old addresses at my old server to send out messages to the old majordomo mailing lists. YOU MAY RECEIVE SPAM from newidea.atis.net -- a server that APPEARS to belong to ATIS but NO longer does!!! I am actively working with my old business partners to get them to tear down my old tractor related addresses but it is slow going. I am trying to implore them to retire the server on a timely basis as they promised but have had no luck, even though I know they have a new server in house. Please be patient if you receive SPAM that appears to come from ATIS. It does not, I SWEAR, even though it appears to. I will continue to work with Piedmont Systems on this. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 08:42:12 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (diesel at easynet.co.uk) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:42:12 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> References: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <1094658132.413f28546e8f4@messagecentre.easynetdial.co.uk> Quoting BillMil357 at aol.com: > Hi Jeff; > > You did not offend me and like some of the other people on the list that > needed info. on computer problems, we appreciated the info. I asked a > question > about a computer problem about two years ago and one person put an abusive > letter > on the list about it, before I had posted pretty regular and enjoyed it but > after that I hardly ever post any more. But if I see OT in the subject line I > > still know where my delete key is. > > An OLE engine friend, > > Bill Miller. Hi Bill: I am sure a lot of us who have knowledge to pass on are only too pleased to help. I think that Jeff may have been a little bit over the top with his headline banner which is why Dave Rotigel posted, and then Dave only basically said to make it titled as OT, so no damage done. It is sometimes tempting to think in terms of 'engine-only' posts on the two lists, but there is a lot of community stuff as well that gets passed around and rarely is that commented on, so along with the rest I'll look at what interests me and delete the rest :-)) Peter -- Peter Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel --------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.easynetdial.co.uk From rdhaskell at juno.com Wed Sep 8 09:26:01 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (Ron D Haskell) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:26:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines Message-ID: <20040908.172602.216.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Very nice looking vehicle Patrick. The turbo Diesel should handle the load very nicely. Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside California USA http://www.oldengine.org/members/haskell/ On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:25:13 +1000 "Patrick M Livingstone" writes: > As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought > myself a new > tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old > engines. > The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased > with it > after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier > engines. > Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG > > P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From falcon at telenet.net Wed Sep 8 09:47:03 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:47:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of decal setting solution. http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips (for models but a decal is a decal) http://snipurl.com/8xqg Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > Hi Rick, > Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. > I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal > look. > And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. > > Why make it hard on yourself ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 8 10:59:12 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:59:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <413F4870.2080708@imc-group.com> Steve, I used spray Windex as Ted Brookover recomended and it work great too No air bubbles or creases anywhere. Noticed the first line on the weblink you provided details trimming the decal. Yesterday I stated it would be a mistake to trim a WT decal. Apparently this is incorrect, but it sure seems a risk to tearing the edge of the dry decal. Thanks for making us aware of the decal setting solution. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Has anyone tried spraying a catalysed clear paint like Imron over a WT decal? Does it work OK? Steve W. wrote: >If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of >decal setting solution. > >http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips >(for models but a decal is a decal) > >http://snipurl.com/8xqg > > >Steve Williams >Near Cooperstown NY > > > From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 02:03:03 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:03:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> Message-ID: <000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> Don, dont let it get to ya. You wait till 'Cabin Fever' sets in!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Riedel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff > Jeff, > > You were on target; some people are a tad too sensitive. Having installed > the service pack, I agree with you. > > Funny how people accept "on target" off color remarks and babe pictures but > hate "geeks". > > Don > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 14:28:49 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:28:49 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> <000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <1auuj0lgsk41aqds1jng0lntl9ngg015ef@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:03:03 +1000, you wrote: >Don, dont let it get to ya. You wait till 'Cabin Fever' sets in!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. Gee, Reggie, I'd like the spare time to get an attack of Cabin fever!! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 8 14:32:17 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:32:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8duuj0li01klocd4bu9chnvptamcb2c30j@4ax.com> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:35:40 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? > >I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a 5/6 throttle >governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to >find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? > >George George: I don't think you would find many spares of that nature, the Bamfords you refer to are relatively rare outside of the main volume of engines which were vertical types with hinged crankcases, both diesel and petrol types. If, however, you could find someone who was willing to lend you the parts and let you have photographs then I believe it would be quite feasible given a bit of time. I think there may be more to it than appears at first to be the case. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 14:36:06 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:36:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Osama bin Laden a FATG? Message-ID: <1718D86C-01DF-11D9-8CBC-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> This may be old news to some: http://www.radio.cz/en/article/11586 John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 14:41:51 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:41:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> <007101c4958b$943ff9f0$5fe131d2@km> Message-ID: <002101c495ec$aa377c40$800d1bd3@athlon> The info came off their newsletter media update dated 8 Aug. Available on line. They claim their costs will be more than $300,000. Expecy 800 exhibitors and 2000 exhibits. Do the maths yourself. <> Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally > G'Day Reg > > Come on get serious, the link you provided to the entry form was last up > dated 7th Feb and I could see no statement to the $150 per entry, even if > you uncovered it somewhere we all know it would be a mistake. > You know what the cost of per exhibitor is at Portland so tell us etc. > We all only have to make one choice Go or No Go. > See you there > > Kerry > > PS. You did well in getting them to look at entry for ONE family member, but > this is now standard in a lot of things at least in vintage cars > > > > > > I have just read the latest comments in the NHMA rally newsletter. > > http://www.rbm.com.au/rally > > Using the figures given, THEIR cost will be $150 PER EXHIBIT shown, or, > $375 > > per exhibitor! For three days. > > > > (They have changed things to allow free entry for ONE family member but it > > seems that the other family members, ie, kids, will have to pay.) > > > > I find this somewhat beyond all reason. Time for a major rethink in the > way > > things are going. > > I wonder what the cost per exhibitor is at Portland? Barraboo? etc. > > > > As I dont think my stuff is worth this outlay by them, (added to the high > > cost of getting there). I wont bother taking anything to the event. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 14:41:33 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:41:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You did put grease in them? On Sep 8, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Glenn Wilson wrote: > My guess would be the main bearings - - - but it runs all day long. > Wouldn't that loosen these kind of bearings up just by running it? > Glenn John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 8 14:43:56 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:43:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL list members hospitality In-Reply-To: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> References: <002201c4950e$f8162c60$a29ae150@OWNER2M2YK7Y6O> Message-ID: <1094679836.413f7d1c557c0@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Craig, WELCOME to the list!!!! Looking forward to seeing you again on one side of the pond or another!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting craig morrison : > I would sincerly like to thank all the members of the list that I met > recently on my trip to the other side of the pond , to visit the Badger steam > and gas show and the Tristate show at Portland.It was nice to meet so many > friendly people for the first time. > Regards Craig from Scotland From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 14:48:25 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:48:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mckay In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20040908224745.01edb2c8@mail.iinet.net.au> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20040908224745.01edb2c8@mail.iinet.net.au> Message-ID: > No greater accolade can one say of an Aussie, but that he was a good > bloke. I really liked Tom. He was a good bloke. I'm sorry to hear he's gone. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From George_Best at adp.com Wed Sep 8 15:35:24 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:35:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Reg & Margaret Ingold > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:42 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally > > The info came off their newsletter media update dated 8 Aug. > Available on line. > They claim their costs will be more than $300,000. > Expecy 800 exhibitors and 2000 exhibits. > Do the maths yourself. Dividing the cost of a show by the number of exhibitors accomplishes nothing, unless the exhibitors are the only ones paying to put on the show. I expect at this show the spectators are paying an admission fee. So what is the gate fee? How much do the planners expect to make off of the gate admission? If the gate receipts do not cover the costs, you've got a couple of choices. Find ways to lower your expenses so that gate receipts can cover them, or have the club members make up the shortfall. Rather than stick it to the exhibitors to make up the difference, stick it to all the club members. Might make the non-exhibiting club members think that they'd better get a bit more involved with the show to make sure it is successful. George From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 8 16:33:08 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:33:08 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re Tom McKay Message-ID: <002b01c495fc$360fd140$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I am very sorry a lot of members did not know of Toms passing. I suppose i knew a couple of hours or so after the event. I tried to post the bad news but i could not do so due to the change of the bloody system . Tom was a great club man and collector, very hard worker and one of those responsible for the excellent insurance cover the affiliated members of the NHMA have. I am so sorry that Tom and Beth never made it on the promised visit that they were going to make to me in Albany. Tom was responsible for starting me in this hobby that has now resulted in a shed full of ................... One thing that Tom achieved before his death was the disposal of the great number of engines in his shed, lets face it Beth is far better off with the dollars than the worry of what to do with them, i reckon it is something we should all think about! And one thing that i am sorry about is that i never got around to showing Tom how scan a picture. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From jopeter at omninet.net.au Wed Sep 8 16:44:27 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:44:27 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep members away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money on fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and enjoying myself. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From andyglines at hotmail.com Wed Sep 8 11:23:58 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:23:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Big Huber Weekend / paint (Xpost) Message-ID: The Huber 16 restoration took a major leap forward this weekend. Dad was able to borrow a compressor and sand blasting outfit from his construction site. We picked it up Friday afternoon and spent a big part of the weekend blasting 99yrs of old off of the Huber. 1700 lbs of (black beauty) sand later the engine and its parts are much cleaner than they were before. I have given all of the blasted parts a coat of primer. It is probably a good idea to go ahead and paint most of what has been cleaned. What should I use for paint? I especially need something good for the boiler. Does automotive paint take the heat OK? Parts of the cylinder should get pretty hot as well. I am considering using an automotive urethane finish. I'll try to post some pics soon. I want your opinions and please tell me what has worked good for you. Andy Glines Evansville, IN _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 8 17:05:34 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040909000534.17067.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Either your mains are too tight or they are worn enough that the helical gears that drive the sideshaft are binding. Very common problem, can be properly repaired by jacking up the shaft and repouring the lower mains, or sometimes you can drop the sideshaft a bit by removing the studs that fasten the rear bearing to the base and turning the unthreaded portion of the stud down a little, allowing the bearing to drop down and increase the clearance between the gears. While not a text book perfect solution, most engines have enough slop in them to allow you to get away with it. when all is right, there will be just a little backlash in the helical gearing. How much do you have now? You said that the engine has recast main caps, perhaps the babbitt it a bit tight in the cap, try shimming it first and then run it a while and see if the bearing caps get warm. Those are nice engines, they can run really sweet with a little tinkering. Get some propane hooked up to it, play with the timing and you should be able to get it to run so gently that you will never hear it fire. Christensens are right up there with Foos for engines that are tweakable. Later, Joe --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > No, you don't see the problem - it turns HARDER than heck even before > you > get > into compression. You'll see next Aug. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting > > > Glenn, > > I think I see your problem... > > Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up > onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it > the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the > optimum point to close the valve or compression release. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > > > > > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining > enough > > >charge to fire. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 18:02:54 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:02:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone References: <413F209A.000005.00676@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <006901c49608$bd8e4960$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bob, Sounds like a heck of an auction coming up. Keep us posted. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone Having just spent 5 days up north with my Mom I got some startling news. She and my Dad collected everything antique for many many years, now at the age of 83 she's decided to hold a sale and get rid of much of the collections. (Dad passed away 16 years ago today). If the ladies like antique dolls, china, furniture, and about anything else "household" there will be lots for them to see and, of course, buy. For us old iron people, the specialty of the house is International Harvester. Dad was an IH dealer for 20 years or so and never threw anything away. There is literally tons of literature on old IH equipment. Parts manuals, Shop manuals, advertising slicks, posters and you name it. All is in "NEW" condition!! In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 in the garage. Too much stuff to remember it all but sometime in the spring (when the final dates are set) I'll let you all know if you're at all interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 18:05:54 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:05:54 -0600 Subject: [SEL] SPAM from old server References: <200409080905580843.002FB87D@heavyiron.atis.net> <200409081153350640.00CA2F66@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <006e01c49609$28f71510$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Spencer, Last I checked my delete key works just fine and I'm used to getting spoofed stuff. Just thankful for all your efforts that keep this list going. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spencer Yost" To: ; ; ; ; ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: [SEL] SPAM from old server >I need to remind everyone as some folks have forgotten the Internet server > newidea.atis.net does NOT belong to me anymore. This server belongs to > the software company I sold a few months ago. They are in the process of > replacing it but I have no idea when this will be finished (it was > supposed > to be done in July so I have no hope it will be done timely )-: ) > > I tell you this because current management has done a poor job of spam > prevention and has not torn down a few mailing lists they accidentally > restored back in June after a disk failure that occurred after I sold the > company(this was the failure that forced me to bring up heavyiron.atis.net > earlier than I was supposed to). Now these mailing lists and the > addresses on them are active again. That means that spammers are using > my > old addresses at my old server to send out messages to the old majordomo > mailing lists. > > YOU MAY RECEIVE SPAM from newidea.atis.net -- a server that APPEARS to > belong to ATIS but NO longer does!!! > > I am actively working with my old business partners to get them to tear > down my old tractor related addresses but it is slow going. I am trying > to implore them to retire the server on a timely basis as they promised > but > have had no luck, even though I know they have a new server in house. > > Please be patient if you receive SPAM that appears to come from ATIS. It > does not, I SWEAR, even though it appears to. I will continue to work > with > Piedmont Systems on this. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 8 18:14:51 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:14:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re Tom McKay References: <002b01c495fc$360fd140$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002901c4960a$68eb7fc0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hear Hear Peter. I knew Tom through our association with the NHMA. I was Secretary for two years when he was Treasurer and we had many conversations over that time both on the phone and at the annual committee meetings . Apart from engines we also had dealings about old engine tools as well. He will be sadly missed. Ron Page ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: [SEL] re Tom McKay > I am very sorry a lot of members did not know of Toms passing. I suppose i > knew a couple of hours or so after the event. I tried to post the bad news > but i could not do so due to the change of the bloody system . > Tom was a great club man and collector, very hard worker and one of those > responsible for the excellent insurance cover the affiliated members of the > NHMA have. I am so sorry that Tom and Beth never made it on the promised > visit that they were going to make to me in Albany. > Tom was responsible for starting me in this hobby that has now resulted in a > shed full of ................... > One thing that Tom achieved before his death was the disposal of the great > number of engines in his shed, lets face it Beth is far better off with the > dollars than the worry of what to do with them, i reckon it is something we > should all think about! > And one thing that i am sorry about is that i never got around to showing > Tom how scan a picture. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 8 18:15:58 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:15:58 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone References: <006901c49608$bd8e4960$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <413FAECE.000005.01288@NOTEBOOK> Yeppers, should be one heck of a sale. I've no idea of what will get dug out of the raftures up there. I know they hoarded stuff for years. There should even be some steam whistles and various other steam items as dad used to have a Nichols & Shepard engine too. The good/bad part of it is that it's not going to be an auction. Just setting it all up for sale with fixed? prices. I'm sure there will be some negotiation on pricing but she says everything will simply be priced and ready to go. If you want to get top choice it looks like you'll have to be there for the first day. The nice thing is I'll know the dates before they get published anywhere else therefore you all will also know them. (I believe my friends should have the first heads up LOL) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/08/04 21:04:56 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Hello again everyone Bob, Sounds like a heck of an auction coming up. Keep us posted. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Hello again everyone Having just spent 5 days up north with my Mom I got some startling news. She and my Dad collected everything antique for many many years, now at the age of 83 she's decided to hold a sale and get rid of much of the collections. (Dad passed away 16 years ago today). If the ladies like antique dolls, china, furniture, and about anything else "household" there will be lots for them to see and, of course, buy. For us old iron people, the specialty of the house is International Harvester. Dad was an IH dealer for 20 years or so and never threw anything away. There is literally tons of literature on old IH equipment. Parts manuals, Shop manuals, advertising slicks, posters and you name it. All is in "NEW" condition!! In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 in the garage. Too much stuff to remember it all but sometime in the spring (when the final dates are set) I'll let you all know if you're at all interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 8 18:18:04 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:18:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Something I forgot Message-ID: <413FAF4C.000009.01288@NOTEBOOK> Hey all, I've forgotten to mention that I'm selling some mags and brackets in the hit & miss area on E-Bay currently if you're interested. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 8 19:01:26 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 20:01:26 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <00a501c49610$eb2685b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bill, Don't let one flame keep you from posting. The more the merrier. I get flamed now and then and life goes on. Not trying to make enemies, but a heartfelt debate never hurts anyone. Opinions are like noses, and we all have one. There is another word in that saying to replace noses, and now and then I am called one. I always say thank you. Get back in the thick of it and share your engine stuff with the list. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff > Hi Jeff; > > You did not offend me and like some of the other people on the list that > needed info. on computer problems, we appreciated the info. I asked a > question > about a computer problem about two years ago and one person put an abusive > letter > on the list about it, before I had posted pretty regular and enjoyed it > but > after that I hardly ever post any more. But if I see OT in the subject > line I > still know where my delete key is. > > An OLE engine friend, > > Bill Miller. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 8 19:54:32 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:54:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines In-Reply-To: <000701c495a4$5bef6f90$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200409090254.i892sndm012732@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> The weight rules vary from state to state here in Oz but in NSW I can tow (with a braked trailer) the maximum towing mass as specified by the manufacturer which is 2800kg for the diesel Navara. That will easily cover all the engines I have at the moment. The heaviest is the 12hp R&V which weighs in at a little over 1000kg. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Nice car Patrick, you even can take a nap in the back. What weight are these Nissan's? Overhere you may not pull a weight lager than the car. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 8 19:56:04 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:56:04 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Pics In-Reply-To: <001401c49593$2e940440$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: <200409090256.i892u4dm013552@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Dave, Many of the showgrounds in NSW have a race track around the arena. I guess it saves the expense of having both a showground and a racecourse. It came in very handy for the grand parade at Macksville :) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Patrick, Thanks for the pictures. Was the showground a horseracing track? The railings make me think that. Dave Croft From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 8 19:53:22 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:53:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <00a501c49610$eb2685b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <75.332405e7.2e6fd6bb@aol.com> <00a501c49610$eb2685b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <6968295B-020B-11D9-ABB1-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Opinions are like noses, and we all have one. There is another word in > that saying to replace noses, and now and then I am called one. When my kids were little, the word "cracks" took the place of the word you've substituted "noses" for in that saying. About that time my youngest, Joe, named one of the major American political parties the "Democracks." His opinion of that party hasn't improved since. :-) (That may not be on topic, but it's topical. Nothing to do with computers, either.) :-D John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From asouth at strato.net Wed Sep 8 21:31:27 2004 From: asouth at strato.net (Arthur Southwell) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 00:31:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Hurricane Tracking Applet Message-ID: <000e01c49625$e0a606f0$4921d7cc@Arthur> This may be of interest to some of you folks. http://www.nbc-2.com/Hurricane/hurricanetrackingapplet.html Arthur Southwell Arthur Southwell Rebuilding Arcadia, Florida 34266 U.S.A. asouth at strato.net http://www.homestead.com/artsouthwell/index.html http://photos.yahoo.com/mr_nocatee http://community.webshots.com/user/asouth944 From wilson at stny.rr.com Thu Sep 9 00:49:15 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 03:49:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting In-Reply-To: <20040909000534.17067.qmail@web20224.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: gasoline ! I'll check on the tightness problem when I can. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Joe Prindle Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:06 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting Either your mains are too tight or they are worn enough that the helical gears that drive the sideshaft are binding. Very common problem, can be properly repaired by jacking up the shaft and repouring the lower mains, or sometimes you can drop the sideshaft a bit by removing the studs that fasten the rear bearing to the base and turning the unthreaded portion of the stud down a little, allowing the bearing to drop down and increase the clearance between the gears. While not a text book perfect solution, most engines have enough slop in them to allow you to get away with it. when all is right, there will be just a little backlash in the helical gearing. How much do you have now? You said that the engine has recast main caps, perhaps the babbitt it a bit tight in the cap, try shimming it first and then run it a while and see if the bearing caps get warm. Those are nice engines, they can run really sweet with a little tinkering. Get some propane hooked up to it, play with the timing and you should be able to get it to run so gently that you will never hear it fire. Christensens are right up there with Foos for engines that are tweakable. Later, Joe --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > No, you don't see the problem - it turns HARDER than heck even before > you > get > into compression. You'll see next Aug. > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Arnie Fero > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:21 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] Re: Glenn's Engine Starting > > > Glenn, > > I think I see your problem... > > Open the compression release or hold a valve open to bring the piston up > onto compression furthur than you could normally pull it. THEN pull it > the rest of the way! Easy peasy. You'll need to experiment to find the > optimum point to close the valve or compression release. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Glenn Wilson wrote: > > > This engine starts GREAT if you can get it over compression ... > > > > > >Usually the key is to relieve some compression while maintaining > enough > > >charge to fire. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 8 16:28:03 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:03 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad><000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> <1auuj0lgsk41aqds1jng0lntl9ngg015ef@4ax.com> Message-ID: <000701c4964b$5ebd62c0$6c121bd3@athlon> Aw, come on Pete. Ya KNOW wot these yanks are like. Coupla months of snow and cold and they start tearing each other to pieces!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff > >Don, dont let it get to ya. You wait till 'Cabin Fever' sets in!! > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Gee, Reggie, I'd like the spare time to get an attack of Cabin fever!! :-)) From prepair at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 9 02:34:58 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:34:58 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <000701c4964b$5ebd62c0$6c121bd3@athlon> References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad><000201c495e9$e9b09940$800d1bd3@athlon> <1auuj0lgsk41aqds1jng0lntl9ngg015ef@4ax.com> <000701c4964b$5ebd62c0$6c121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:28:03 +1000, you wrote: >Aw, come on Pete. Ya KNOW wot these yanks are like. Coupla months of snow >and cold and they start tearing each other to pieces!! >Reg & Marg Ingold. I found them all to be very urbane and nice chaps - but then I didn't see them once they had downed a few!! :-)) We missed the beer tasting on the Friday evening this year, so weren't faced with a 'legless' Arnie.... Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 9 03:21:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 20:21:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things dont get looked at and changed. I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from all over at their own expense. There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. This does not mean that others should not raise things. Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. I wont be there. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep members > away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money on > fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > enjoying myself. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 9 03:57:02 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 06:57:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint color Gade modle In-Reply-To: <000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41369306.6010805@udata.com> <000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <414036FE.3010700@udata.com> John Hammink wrote: >Leroy, according Wendel's book: > Old style: Dark green 75874. > New style: Red 660. > Du Pont #. > >John Hammink > > OK, I have this number but I only need enough to do two 4.5 inch flywheels.. Tell me what rattle can of paint will be close to what I need. The dude at the paint shop fell of his chair when I told him I only needed a pint $$$$$$$$$$$ Red or Green Like IHC Rustoleum or Hunter Green Craylon. Tell me what you think. Thanks -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Sep 9 04:25:58 2004 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:25:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tom Mackay In-Reply-To: <3rctj09ejf39ck1hfmstfi5n2fqll2h7kg@4ax.com> References: <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> <20040908001922.27239.qmail@web41101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040909212259.026d2728@mail.netconnect.com.au> I am saddened to hear of Tom's passing. I had the very great fortune to meet him in person at the Henty National Rally some years ago where I was immediately impressed by his sincerity, kindness and gentlemanly manner. He will be a great loss to this country and the engine movement. Regards, Mark Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under in the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From flywheel at netconnect.com.au Thu Sep 9 04:28:56 2004 From: flywheel at netconnect.com.au (Mark Kennedy) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:28:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT - Greetings to Steve Kitto! In-Reply-To: <003a01c4955c$14741be0$7beefea9@SKitto> References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20040909212713.026d25e0@mail.netconnect.com.au> Hello Steve! Glad to see that you are still with us! How are those Villiers going? Breeding more in your shed *grin* Best regards, Mark Mark Kennedy Ballarat, Victoria, Australia Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy 'Training Down Under in the majesty of the South Australian Railways' *********************************************************** Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 9 05:00:57 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:00:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> Reg, Mighty sorry to hear you are not planning to attend. Certainly wish you would reconsider as there are several of us Yanks that are planning on attending this National Ralley. We were really looking forward to seeing and visiting with you again. Besides you DID provide the best beer at last year's beer tasting! I think it is great that you are questioning the costs associated with the event. I find interesting the costs quoted for putting this event on. Not being able to display at this event I am curious at the costs for being spectators at the Ralley. And I certainly hope we'll be allowed inside those bloody fences to have a closer look and to study all the fine Aussie engines. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: >I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM >trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. >The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things >dont get looked at and changed. >I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded >onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from >all over at their own expense. >There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those >who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. >This does not mean that others should not raise things. >Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for >discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. >I wont be there. > >Reg & Marg Ingold. >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. >randmingold at hotkey.net.au >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "peter ogborne" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM >Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > >>I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep >> >> >members > > >>away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money >> >> >on > > >>fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit >>into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan >>,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and >>enjoying myself. >>Peter Ogborne >>Little Grove ,Albany >>West Australia >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' >>jopeter at omninet.net.au >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 9 06:27:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:27:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Paint color Gade modle References: <413681C4.000003.02008@NOTEBOOK> <41369306.6010805@udata.com><000901c490a1$568026b0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <414036FE.3010700@udata.com> Message-ID: <07ef01c49670$bd5ae210$0400a8c0@Dave> > OK, I have this number but I only need enough to do two 4.5 inch > flywheels.. Tell me what rattle can of paint will be close to what I > need. The dude at the paint shop fell of his chair when I told him I > only needed a pint $$$$$$$$$$$ Red or Green Like IHC Rustoleum or > Hunter Green Craylon. Tell me what you think. Thanks > Leroy Clark Hi Leroy, Find another paint store. The one that I go to will mix up a pint of any colo(u)r that I ask for! Dave From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 9 06:27:51 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:27:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: 'preciate it, Steve. Never heard of the stuff. Course it's probably been 40+ years since I've put on a WT decal. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of > decal setting solution. > > http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips > (for models but a decal is a decal) > > http://snipurl.com/8xqg > > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > > > > Hi Rick, > > Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. > > I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal > > look. > > And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. > > > > Why make it hard on yourself ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bboyce at swat.coop Thu Sep 9 06:58:19 2004 From: bboyce at swat.coop (Bill Boyce) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:58:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems Message-ID: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the rubber piston cups,,,,,, also, cant find/afford a source for brake shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkanas From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 9 07:28:09 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:28:09 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems References: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <41406879.000001.01544@NOTEBOOK> Aw shucks, What ya need brakes for??? Just gear her down then hit the closest pile of hay!!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/09/04 10:09:41 To: stationary engine list Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the rubber piston cups,,,, , also, cant find/afford a source for brake shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkanas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 07:58:02 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:58:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Rusty Iron Rally References: <200409061004.i86A4ka6005235@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <00e801c4967d$68a775a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Almost as good as a > National Rally and a lot more relaxed. Do they have a dress code at the nat ? From Jdragoset at galvotec.com Thu Sep 9 08:12:36 2004 From: Jdragoset at galvotec.com (Jim Dragoset) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:12:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] What followed me home. In-Reply-To: <4137515D.7000002@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Curt, Sorry for the late reply. I have two of these Hercules 4 cylinder units, military Korean War vintage, engine and generator. The big end of the armature has the flange with the four rubber bushings you speak of but the weight is supported by stub shaft that fits into the flywheel where a pilot bearing would be if there was a clutch. Another important function of this arrangement is the crankshaft thrust is independent of the armature. I would think a solid connection would work but, in addition to angular and center-line alignment, crankshaft end play would have to be split with the set made up. Jim Dragoset -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of Curt Holland Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:59 AM To: SEL(new) Subject: [SEL] What followed me home. Haven't heard much about what followed the Portland pilgrims home this year so I'll start with one and then ask a question about it that I need some advice on. At the spring swap meet I bought a synchronous generator that make 60 cycles 115 volt power at 52 amps continuos. At the fall Portland show I was looking for a prime mover for it. I looked at some of the Kabota diesels at $900 that were missing the flywheels, starters, and alternators. There were also some sweet 2 cylinder Vee, 17HP Kiwasakee(sp?) engines for $700. Then I found her! A WWII vintage Hercules 4 cylinder stand alone power plant that ran. It was cheap and best of all, it's a kewl looking motor. Looks old, flat head, lots of neat stuff to look at. So home it followed... After her poor starter motor took a swim in Lake Portland I figured I better take that apart and dry the arm and field windings in the oven. I gave the entire engine a good pressure washing and dried the generator too. Missy didn't even grumble (much) when I dried the parts in the oven. Last night I reassembled the starter and generator. Before putting them back on I replaced a leaky valve lifter cover gasket with a new home made cork one. At the show the engine seemed to be running very lean so I took the carb apart and sure enough there was some old gas gum clogging some tiny holes. Everything is back together and she is running great now. (Jim Dunmeyer-mine now runs a little rich too-expecially at slower rpms) I've just finished sketching up an adapter plate to mount the synchronous generator to the bell housing of the Hercules motor. I still need to design the coupling between the flywheel and the synchronous generator. This synchronous generator does not have a bearing on the input side of the shaft. It is designed to be supported by the shaft that is driving it. On the Hercules engine's flywheel are 4 bolt studs sticking out of the face of the flywheel. The there was a plate slid over these studs with big rubber bushings/grommets between the studs and the plate. A nuts squeezed and expanded the rubber to make it a tight fit within the plate. I imagine all this was done to remove power pulses. It would be a whole lot easier to design a solid coupler from the flywheel face to the input shaft of the synchronous generator. But my question is, does anyone know if the power pulses are significant enough to do damage to the armature windings on the synchronous generator? Was this elaborate rubber bushings and floating plate a necessity to make the original synchronous generator last? Or was it simply a coupling to handle misalignment? I think most car clutches have some sort of springs system to remove power pulses. What are your thoughts? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. What followed y'all home? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Sep 8 07:18:10 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 08:18:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040908001744.38623.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys..will give it a go. Curt, Hit&Miss has the Herc decals. later, RickinMt. > Trimming a water WT will not ruin it. If the decal has excess carrier > film it should be trimmed close with a very sharp blade. Also you will > need a smooth gloss surface if you want that decal to stay on and for the > carrier film to dissappear. Also make sure the surface is CLEAN. Wetting > the surface will help prevent trapped air and silvering. > > > > Curt Holland wrote: > Rick, > If you have a good surface behind you will not need to trim your water > transfer decal. It absolutely will disappear as it dries. Beside > trimming would ruin a WT decal. > Curt Holland > P.S. Where can Hercules WT decals be bought? I used all mine on the Herc > saw rig. Need 4 more..... > > Richard Strobel wrote: > > > Howdy all...live is good!!! > > > > On the Economy I used a peal and stick decal..cut and trimmed the > >transparent material off so it looked like a stencil job. I like this > >look. > > > > Now on the Galloway hopper I have a water transfer decal. Question is: > >Will I be able to peal the transparent material off (the hopper) so I > >have > >the same stencil looking effect? > > > > Appreciate any advise!! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > Cheers! NICK > > > Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! > > "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich > Hartmann > > "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 9 09:58:30 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] What followed me home./now carby question References: Message-ID: <41408BB6.5000307@imc-group.com> Jim, Thanks for the reply. It's surprising how many on the list have these versatile Hercules engines. A few days ago I mentioned I was coupling this engine to a synchronous alternator. This weekend I started mounting the engine and generator on the cart. The engine is fixed in it's final location. Here are a couple of pictures of both on a mid-sized Hercules cart (how fitting, a Hercules on a Hercules cart). http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/P9090019a.jpg http://www.oldengine.org/members/holland/images/P9090020a.jpg I got ready to make the adapter to attach the alternator to the bell housing but thought I better make sure this engine would run the required 1800 rpm's first. While normally configured to run 1000 rpm's it seems reasonable to expect that a engine with an almost square bore to displacement ratio should be able to turn 1800rpm's. Well there lies the problem! With the governor pulled all the way open it will only reach about 1500 rpm's. Disconnecting the linkage and opening the throttle by hand, I can get it to 1800 but it is spittering and sputtering something terrible. No way it would pull a load. As best I can tell the Marvel Schebler carby has a fixed jet and is intended to be run at a specific speed. There is no adjustment on the carby. It's sure not going to let this engine run at 1800 rpms in it's current configuration. Perhaps it needs a different jet for the higher speed/air velocity. Does anyone on the list know anything about these Marvel Schebler carburetors and how to size jets? Other than that the only solution I see is to go to the local used tractor parts place and find a comparable updraft carby that has an adjustment for fuel ratio like you typically see on a tractor. Any thoughts guys? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Jim Dragoset wrote: >Curt, >Sorry for the late reply. >I have two of these Hercules 4 cylinder units, military Korean War vintage, >engine and generator. >The big end of the armature has the flange with the four rubber bushings you >speak of but the >weight is supported by stub shaft that fits into the flywheel where a pilot >bearing would be >if there was a clutch. Another important function of this arrangement is the >crankshaft thrust >is independent of the armature. I would think a solid connection would work >but, in addition to >angular and center-line alignment, crankshaft end play would have to be >split with the set made up. > > From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 9 11:20:33 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:20:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems Message-ID: <20040909.143523.716.12.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Bill, I don't think the GM truck parts should be that hard to find. There are many "duce-and-a-halfs" and "5 tons" on the road. I can't help you with a shop but there is a site for Snider's Antique Ford Parts. I would imagine there is a like site for GM. You might have to find a parts place that will work with you and get cylinder repair parts by size instead of just looking up numbers. How about a local bearing supply? You might be surprised what they carry. Maybe research a few "Antique Trucks" magazines. ? Best I can offer. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 13:30:07 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:30:07 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Who was asking about a model oilfield ? References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com> <002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <004001c496ab$cc8bbb20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.cabinfeverexpo.com/images/IFAUC2004/Models_070.JPG From edstoller at earthlink.net Thu Sep 9 13:30:55 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:30:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Show Schedule References: <20040908.015153.1204.5.jlb94@juno.com><002f01c495c3$78c11e60$ae1117d1@net.telenet.net> <413F4870.2080708@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <004f01c496ab$ee52e300$bef5f504@x8h7l9> For Curt Holland, I will be planning a trip to Hickory and Moorsvill NC the next 6 months. Please let me know if there are any showes in this area. Thanks. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 9 13:45:35 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:45:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> <414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <002501c496ae$54808040$590d1bd3@athlon> > And I certainly hope we'll be allowed inside those bloody fences to have > a closer look and to study all the fine Aussie engines. As it stands, you will NOT be allowed in any compound where there are exhibits. This is the ruling of the NHMA. Check with them. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 14:39:24 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:39:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] LB's in the street References: <413F209A.000005.00676@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <005c01c496b5$7a5ed9e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> In digging through stuff this past weekend I came across a brand new head for the LA engine and the LB engine, there is also a brand new head for the Farmall F-12 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////sob And Driving to my dads yesterday I saw a complete one with oil bath sticking out of a cement mixer . Asked the neighbor , he said he had no idea what it was but he wanted 2 grand for it . wahooah . I told him to call me if he cant find someone to get it running . Multiple lawn/leaf bags of empty lone star beer cans holding his garbage cans down lead me to believe it might prove very frustrating indeed to get started .Its been 15 years since she last surfaced and aint been run yet . Chuck From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 14:59:13 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:59:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] stale beer and moss References: <20040903154221.96740.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> <027101c491ce$9373d930$aaca7043@solar> Message-ID: <010001c496b8$3fabf780$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > > > > Here is one that gets stale beer poured on it to > > > keep the moss growing: > > > > http://members.tznet.com/jprindle/alseconomy1.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing sucks > > > > like removing a bad, bad paint job. that copper tubing needs some patination as well , very unsightly some might even use the term "gay" Chuck From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 9 15:52:06 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] decal question please In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040909225206.15662.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Be careful, not all decals react the same to that stuff. Some will wrinkle up and be ruined! Richard Strobel wrote: 'preciate it, Steve. Never heard of the stuff. Course it's probably been 40+ years since I've put on a WT decal. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > If you want a water transfer decal to really lay down get a bottle of > decal setting solution. > > http://www.interlog.com/~ask/scale/tips/decal.htm has some good tips > (for models but a decal is a decal) > > http://snipurl.com/8xqg > > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] decal question please > > > > Hi Rick, > > Sounds like a lot of work for nothing. > > I used water transfer decals before and really do not notice the decal > > look. > > And - My surfaces aren't all that smooth. > > > > Why make it hard on yourself ? > > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > > jlb94 at juno.com > > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:10:11 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:40:11 +0930 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <011301c496c4$60ae2b40$10affea9@SKitto> Reg I will be sorry you wont be there. I was going to offer you free accommodation and meals. I would disagree that the costs are being loaded onto those ehibitors who are lovers of old iron. The costs to exhibit are minimal If I went to any rally I would expect to have costs. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM > trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. > The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things > dont get looked at and changed. > I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded > onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from > all over at their own expense. > There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those > who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. > This does not mean that others should not raise things. > Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for > discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. > I wont be there. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM > Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep > members > > away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money > on > > fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > > into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > > ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > > enjoying myself. > > Peter Ogborne > > Little Grove ,Albany > > West Australia > > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:16:14 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:46:14 +0930 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon> <414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> Curt Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the engine compound. This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do with liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by the insurer and NHMA. I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, but I can find out. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Holland" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > Reg, > Mighty sorry to hear you are not planning to attend. Certainly wish you > would reconsider as there are several of us Yanks that are planning on > attending this National Ralley. We were really looking forward to seeing > and visiting with you again. Besides you DID provide the best beer at > last year's beer tasting! > I think it is great that you are questioning the costs associated with > the event. I find interesting the costs quoted for putting this event > on. Not being able to display at this event I am curious at the costs > for being spectators at the Ralley. > And I certainly hope we'll be allowed inside those bloody fences to have > a closer look and to study all the fine Aussie engines. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > > Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > >I wish you would notice that I am NOT trying to degrade this event. I AM > >trying to bring out in open forum, things that need to be looked at. > >The constant rising costs and impositions are going to kill it if things > >dont get looked at and changed. > >I have never put this event down! I HAVE questioned the costs being loaded > >onto the very people who enable it to happen. The exhibitors, who come from > >all over at their own expense. > >There are many different viewpoints on this subject and if there are those > >who wish to go along with the direction as per, so be it. > >This does not mean that others should not raise things. > >Me? I have thought out my attitude, expressed it and put it up for > >discussion. I have, as of now, decided that enough is enough. Go for it. > >I wont be there. > > > >Reg & Marg Ingold. > >Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > >randmingold at hotkey.net.au > >http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "peter ogborne" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:44 AM > >Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > > > > > > >>I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep > >> > >> > >members > > > > > >>away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money > >> > >> > >on > > > > > >>fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > >>into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > >>,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > >>enjoying myself. > >>Peter Ogborne > >>Little Grove ,Albany > >>West Australia > >>''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > >>jopeter at omninet.net.au > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:00:20 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:30:20 +0930 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <011201c496c4$5f99fc20$10affea9@SKitto> Peter, I will look forward to meeting you. It will be a great event, there is a lot of enthusiasm, and the cost per exhibitor are minimal depending on what you take as options with meals. This is anticipated to be one of the largest events ever seen in this part of the country and the locals are right behind it. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: [SEL] re National Rally > I hope the negative comments re the 10th National Rally do not keep members > away . I intend driving a couple of thousand km ,spending a lot of money on > fuel,bringing Chester [ the Jack Russell] and my wife ,cramming an exhibit > into the back of the Nissan along with the Engle,hitching on the caravan > ,seeing all those marvellous old engines and characters[ Reg included] and > enjoying myself. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Thu Sep 9 16:23:44 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:53:44 +0930 Subject: [SEL] OT - Greetings to Steve Kitto! References: <00c301c49535$39c47c40$97111bd3@athlon> <5.1.0.14.0.20040909212713.026d25e0@mail.netconnect.com.au> Message-ID: <011501c496c4$6319ad00$10affea9@SKitto> Greetings Mark I have been a sleeper on the list for a while, and was off of it for quite a time. Life has been very busy. New ventures in the church which I minister, family stuff, we have a very unwell daughter at the moment which takes some time out., etc have slowed down my involvement in the hobby. We still have a large collection of Villiers. Daniel is not doing much with them at the moment. He works on engines and motor bikes all day, has a girlfriend, is now 21, so has come down to me. I have been playing with the R&T's, made a bead blaster from our old dishwasher, and that has been it. Hoping to be at the Centenary rally in October. Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kennedy" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] OT - Greetings to Steve Kitto! > Hello Steve! Glad to see that you are still with us! > > How are those Villiers going? Breeding more in your shed *grin* > > Best regards, > > Mark > > > Mark Kennedy > Ballarat, Victoria, Australia > > Registrar for the WING Gauge & Instrument Co. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/kennedy > > 'Training Down Under in the majesty of the South Australian Railways' > > *********************************************************** > Important - This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in > error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using > attachments check them for viruses and defects. Regardless of any loss, > damage or consequence, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or > not, resulting directly or indirectly from the use of any attached files > our liability is limited to resupplying any effected attachments. Any > representations or opinions expressed are those of the individual sender. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Thu Sep 9 16:31:47 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:31:47 +0200 Subject: [SEL] decal question please References: <20040909225206.15662.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000d01c496c5$2d455a20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> The best way to put on those decals is just to pour a few drops liquid soap in the water, when done you can move the decal at any place you want. Are you satisfied with the place where it sits, leave it and drink a nice cup of coffee. Walking back to the shed and chewing the last remains of your cookie, you will see the decal sits perfect on the hopper ( looks like factory work ) :o)) John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Be careful, not all decals react the same to that stuff. Some will wrinkle up and be ruined! > > > > Richard Strobel wrote: > 'preciate it, Steve. Never heard of the stuff. Course it's probably been > 40+ years since I've put on a WT decal. > > Take Care, > Rick -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 17:08:14 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:08:14 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's E-mail Address Message-ID: <00d901c496ca$458ec080$240110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone please send me Keith's e-mail address. Thanks From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 9 18:58:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 19:58:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Message-ID: <001e01c496d9$bc9f4280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Just got this updated. Need a break and a good laugh then check it out. http://frapa.us/Mil/Mil.html Enjoy, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 9 19:21:04 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:21:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <001e01c496d9$bc9f4280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Enjoyed it Jeff, Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Hello all, Just got this updated. Need a break and a good laugh then check it out. http://frapa.us/Mil/Mil.html From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 9 19:29:56 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:29:56 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <414111A4.000001.01880@NOTEBOOK> Good job Jeff - needed a good belly laugh!!!! Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/09/04 22:23:10 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Enjoyed it Jeff, Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? Hello all, Just got this updated. Need a break and a good laugh then check it out. http://frapa.us/Mil/Mil.html _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 9 19:43:30 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 22:43:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Need Keith Kinney's E-mail Address Message-ID: <20040909.224343.1004.7.jlb94@juno.com> This is what I have. kkinney at herculesengines.com Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Thu Sep 9 21:42:56 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:42:56 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <002501c496ae$54808040$590d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <200409100443.i8A4hHdm065881@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> With a bit of forward planning this can be worked around. When Nick came out for the last National we signed him up as a member of a local club therefore he had NHMA insurance and was quite legal in the compound. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- As it stands, you will NOT be allowed in any compound where there are exhibits. This is the ruling of the NHMA. Check with them. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 10 04:15:37 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:15:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon><414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> Message-ID: <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> G'Day Steve and All Patrick stole my thunder but I would like a say if I may This subject has been on the SEL for months now and the efforts of some have seen the National Rally Committee re-look at some issues, to their credit they did, some improvements some no change so be it. Instead of a negative answer from several it would be would have been better to show our international friends how hospitable us Aussies really are, this is the first attempt by several of our SEL group to cross the pond and see us and our great OZ engines as we are. The amount of bickering about our biggest rally should end, we have the rules you either go or no go. Insurance, bloody fences, and all the other crap does not stop us from having a great time at any of the rallies I have been to and will not stop the Yanks or any other international visitor from doing the same, I will make sure of that. > Curt > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the engine compound. > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do with > liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by the insurer and > NHMA. > CRAP, Insurance is about money, pay the money and you can do anything, All they have to do is join a club for a year, pay the fees and become a member and go anywhere. I tried to ring the Rally Committee tonight with out success and will try again over the weekend, if they will not allow international visitors to become members of their club ours would welcome them with open arms.If they have come from overseas $20 should not be a great Burdon if it is some of us would fix that I am sure. When I went to the Portland Rally Indiana I joined the local club for a year not because I had to but to get a felling of belonging and to be part of it. I would be disappointed of any of us Aussie SEL members could not make it to the Rally for the wrong reasons and more disappointed if our international members did not come because of the crap we have been on about. So my Aussie friends it is time to get FAIR DINKUM and start talking about the real issues. Who is going Who is taking engines Can we get a SEL area as per the last National, and how many would use it What other activities can we interest our international friends while they are with us. etc. etc I will gratefully get off my box now in the hope I have not offended but opened a new direction for discussion. Kerry PS. Steve welcome back to the LIST From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Sep 10 04:55:44 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:55:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From adamcottrill at telstra.com Fri Sep 10 04:57:05 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:57:05 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! Message-ID: <9c9bca9c565d.9c565d9c9bca@email.bigpond.com> Hi Everyone, I'm like everyone else it seems disapointed Reg has decided not to make the trip to the National, although not having met with Reg personally before I was scincerly hoping to and have a good old chat and a beer. Reg like everyone else on this list is entitled to his opinion and I assure you being on the organising committee of the National Rally Regs Comments where tabled and read out as vaild realistic points call it constructive criticisum if you will. In the end you will have noted the changes that have occured because of Reg's doing (he was right!!!) and I have mentioned many times before he is to be congratulated in having the guts to speak up!!! and I hope more who feel there are issues pertaining to the rally will do so as well. In regards to entering the compounds I would like to clarify the "insurance ruling" is as some put it is that you are required to have a current NHMA card OR eqivilent to $10million public liability. This may mean you have a private policy as long as its 10mill public liability YOUR IN!!!. Of course you will need to provide a certificate of currency to prove this. My suggestion to those comming from Overseas who want to enter the compounds join the club pay your $12 insurance fee. If you look on the webpage and download the registration from you will not a point if you would like insurance provided tick the box send the money. If anyone has questions about the insurance or National please do not hesitate to contact me and place in the subject National Rally so I can seperate it from the increasing amount of spam im getting at the moment. Also a point of note is the Insurance will have a stand at the national to answer all your questions directly. Reg I do hope you might reconsider your stance on this and Id hope you'd like to see what you have influenced overall to be a great event. The entry fees are still being confirmed my estimation on what I know now is they will be around $10-$15 per day with an all weekend pass being offered im not sure what price this will arrive at but I would suspect it would be less than the three days combined. Kind regards. Adam Cottrill 10th NHMA National Rally Safety Co-ordinator From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Fri Sep 10 05:00:58 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:00:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <200409101201.i8AC10dm058078@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> I have swung from definitely not going to Naracoorte to seriously considering it (which means I will be there). Now I have the new tow vehicle I have the ability to tow something all the way there without any worries. I might even get inspired and finish a couple of the projects I have almost finished. I will make sure that any list member who comes into Sydney on their way to Naracoorte is looked after and they will get to meet some great people here and see some pretty special engine collections. Patrick (Is that positive enough Kerry?) Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 10 05:04:50 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:04:50 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101201.i8AC10dm058078@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <009e01c4972e$6061d2d0$4609a4cb@km> You have done well > I have swung from definitely not going to Naracoorte to seriously > considering it (which means I will be there). Now I have the new tow vehicle > I have the ability to tow something all the way there without any worries. I > might even get inspired and finish a couple of the projects I have almost > finished. > I will make sure that any list member who comes into Sydney on their way to > Naracoorte is looked after and they will get to meet some great people here > and see some pretty special engine collections. > Patrick > > (Is that positive enough Kerry?) > > Patrick M Livingstone > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Fri Sep 10 05:14:50 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:14:50 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally and others Message-ID: <001501c4972f$c94e1050$3da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Adam .........I am led to believe that there is a rally at Mt Barker the week end preceding the National . As i and several others from the south of WA will more than likely go to the Mt Barker rally can you advise what is required to participate . As i seem to be the only one on the SEL list from WA i will pass on any info you could kindly supply. Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Fri Sep 10 05:22:48 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:22:48 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! References: <9c9bca9c565d.9c565d9c9bca@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <00b901c49730$e2f778b0$4609a4cb@km> Sorry Adam I forgot you were part of the committee Thank you , that clears up the Insurance / entry to compound for our visitors and for $9 US. great depending on numbers of SEL members that will bring engines is it possible for a space for the SEL group as per the last national Kerry > > Hi Everyone, > I'm like everyone else it seems disapointed Reg has decided not to make the trip to the National, although not having met with Reg personally before I was scincerly hoping to and have a good old chat and a beer. > > Reg like everyone else on this list is entitled to his opinion and I assure you being on the organising committee of the National Rally Regs Comments where tabled and read out as vaild realistic points call it constructive criticisum if you will. In the end you will have noted the changes that have occured because of Reg's doing (he was right!!!) and I have mentioned many times before he is to be congratulated in having the guts to speak up!!! and I hope more who feel there are issues pertaining to the rally will do so as well. > > In regards to entering the compounds I would like to clarify the "insurance ruling" is as some put it is that you are required to have a current NHMA card OR eqivilent to $10million public liability. This may mean you have a private policy as long as its 10mill public liability YOUR IN!!!. Of course you will need to provide a certificate of currency to prove this. > > My suggestion to those comming from Overseas who want to enter the compounds join the club pay your $12 insurance fee. If you look on the webpage and download the registration from you will not a point if you would like insurance provided tick the box send the money. > > If anyone has questions about the insurance or National please do not hesitate to contact me and place in the subject National Rally so I can seperate it from the increasing amount of spam im getting at the moment. > > Also a point of note is the Insurance will have a stand at the national to answer all your questions directly. > > Reg I do hope you might reconsider your stance on this and Id hope you'd like to see what you have influenced overall to be a great event. > > The entry fees are still being confirmed my estimation on what I know now is they will be around $10-$15 per day with an all weekend pass being offered im not sure what price this will arrive at but I would suspect it would be less than the three days combined. > > Kind regards. > Adam Cottrill > 10th NHMA National Rally > Safety Co-ordinator > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 10 06:45:42 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:45:42 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples> <414111A4.000001.01880@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <002d01c4973c$77be2b00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> try www.craneaccidents.com look for the page owners shots of himself pinned under his loader . Be careful with the heavy stuff eh ? From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 10 07:15:42 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:15:42 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: I wonder if club members are allowed behind the fences if they are there only as a spectator? If club members are allowed behind the fences, then maybe the solution for Curt and others is to become a club member. George > Curt > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the > engine compound. > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do > with liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by > the insurer and NHMA. > > I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, > but I can find out. > > Steve From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 10 07:27:24 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:27:24 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: Oops! Sorry about posting this. One of the problems of responding to a topic before you've read ALL the mail in your inbox. George Ps... Actually the National Rally sounds kind of interesting. I assume that Curt is going, but who else is going from the U.S.? > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > George Best > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:16 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > I wonder if club members are allowed behind the fences if > they are there only as a spectator? > > If club members are allowed behind the fences, then maybe the > solution for Curt and others is to become a club member. > > George > > > > Curt > > > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the engine > > compound. > > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do with > > liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by the insurer > > and NHMA. > > > > I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, but I > > can find out. > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 10 09:10:32 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon><414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <4141D1F8.7000507@imc-group.com> Kerry, Whew! Good to hear something positive about the Rally. From where I am sitting I was seriously beginning to have second thoughts. With the "exorbitant costs", the long travel distances, and then learning I would not be permitted to even get close and look at the engines (a good percentage of the reason we are going) , I was beginning to have some real reservations about attending. Between your email and Adam's email I have a much better feeling about the event. If I have to pay $12AU for the privilege to look at engines up close then so be it. It is insignificant compared to the total cost of the trip. Thanks, Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Kerry wrote: >G'Day Steve and All > >Patrick stole my thunder but I would like a say if I may >This subject has been on the SEL for months now and the efforts of some have >seen the National Rally Committee re-look at some issues, to their credit >they did, some improvements some no change so be it. >Instead of a negative answer from several it would be would have been better >to show our international friends how hospitable us Aussies really are, this >is the first attempt by several of our SEL group to cross the pond and see >us and our great OZ engines as we are. The amount of bickering about our >biggest rally should end, we have the rules you either go or no go. >Insurance, bloody fences, and all the other crap does not stop us from >having a great time at any of the rallies I have been to and will not stop >the Yanks or any other international visitor from doing the same, I will >make sure of that. > > > >>C >> From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 10 06:37:47 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:37:47 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help References: Message-ID: <000c01c4973b$5c6c90e0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help > Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? > I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a 5/6 throttle > governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to > find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? > George Hi George, This Bamford is one I owned about 15 years ago. I swapped it for a Danish 5HP BLA with my friend Jens Lauritsen. see http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW Jens & his wife have since passed away & the site of the engine is now unknown. Dave Croft England From George_Best at adp.com Fri Sep 10 09:37:31 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:37:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help Message-ID: Thanks for sharing the pictures Dave. I'm guessing your engine was a hit&miss version although the pictures didn't have close-up pictures of the governor or mixer. George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Croft > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:38 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Best" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:35 PM > Subject: [SEL] Bamford 5/6 help > > > > Does anyone on this list have a Bamford 5/6 hit&miss engine? > > I'm curious as to how much work it would take to convert a > 5/6 throttle > > governed engine to a hit&miss version. How difficult would it be to > > find the needed parts in the UK to make the conversion? > > George > > Hi George, This Bamford is one I owned about 15 years ago. > I swapped it for a Danish 5HP BLA with my friend Jens Lauritsen. > see http://community.webshots.com/album/130641573UmLWSW > Jens & his wife have since passed away & the site of the engine is > now unknown. > Dave Croft > England > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 10 09:48:01 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:48:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] National Rally - Which Yanks are attending? References: <000701c495fd$ca99d440$5da226ca@ogborneuah38i3><007101c4965b$44962f20$6c121bd3@athlon><414045F9.3050204@imc-group.com> <011401c496c4$61e3ec20$10affea9@SKitto> <005801c49728$26ed2be0$4609a4cb@km> Message-ID: <4141DAC1.7020400@imc-group.com> Though nearly 6 months away, would it be possible for those US, SEL members considering attending the Australian National Rally speak up. If we all know who each other are, perhaps we can help each other out with accommodations, flight deals, exchange rate issues, etc. I imagine a lot of the trip planning details could be discussed off list and copying all parties in those emails would be very beneficial. This will be our first significant international trip and I welcome all the input I can get. We're in! Curt and Missy Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 10 10:36:30 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:36:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! References: <9c9bca9c565d.9c565d9c9bca@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <099e01c4975c$b53a51a0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi Everyone, > I'm like everyone else it seems disapointed Reg has decided not to make the trip to the National, although not having met with Reg personally before I was scincerly hoping to and have a good old chat and a beer. > Kind regards. > Adam Cottrill > 10th NHMA National Rally > Safety Co-ordinator Hi Adam (and others from OZ), Since I'm not from OZ I will not comment on the strange customs that you seem to have regarding fencing and insurance at your shows. However, I do need to warn all of you Down Under that if Reg changes his mind and decides to attend the National (and I hope that he will) you should lock up your daughters and put chastity belts on your wives! I would also suggest that you not bend over to look closely at any engine. The sheep in the area of the National will, however, be just fine--all of them at Portland are still smiling from Reg's visit over a year ago! Dave From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 10 12:39:03 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:39:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OH BOY OH BOY In-Reply-To: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <002e01c49547$4d1f73a0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <1094845143.414202d7d1cb1@webmail.city-net.com> Hey Bill, Have a care. The "For Sale" engine prices in the first GEM will kill ya! See ya, Arnie Quoting Bill Dickerson : > GEM Issue 1 #1, I'd like to see that - I have some old uns, but not THAT > old. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 10 12:42:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:42:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT no more computer stuff In-Reply-To: <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> References: <008501c49544$bce9a500$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <007f01c49548$f4ce9620$b7d85141@usal4devhpa4ad> Message-ID: <1094845353.414203a946936@webmail.city-net.com> Hi Don, I think I've missed some of the recent list email. I've gotten all of the computer ones, but I seem to have missed the "babe photo" ones. Please forward those to me off-list. Thanks. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Don Riedel : > Funny how people accept "on target" off color remarks and babe pictures but > hate "geeks". From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 10 13:08:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:08:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Curt's Lorenz - A Black Day in International Shipments In-Reply-To: <00cc01c49590$a1bec5c0$5fe131d2@km> References: <00cc01c49590$a1bec5c0$5fe131d2@km> Message-ID: <1094846927.414209cf9e6d2@webmail.city-net.com> G'day Kerry, I don't think this standard applies to individuals making personal shipments. > WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THESE MEASURES? > These regulations will not only affect pallet, box, and crate > manufacturers/users, but also anyone shipping lumber over seas > using solid wood skids and sticks. Note that the lumber isn't affected, but only the skids for it!! See ya, Arnie Arnine Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com Quoting Kerry : > For the full story on International freighting of wood for ALL our countries > see > > http://www.dhx.com/ispm15.cfm?CFID=500869&CFTOKEN=58279712 From mgomaize at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 13:59:41 2004 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 13:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Pageant of Power - Greenfiled Village Message-ID: <20040910205941.49165.qmail@web81208.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, I plan on attending this show Oct. 2-3. I will be taking my engines for sure, and was hoping someone who has been there could tell me what to expact from a tractor perspective. I have a 1937 Farmall F-20 on steel. Having not been to the show before, I do not know if they allow steel wheels on the museum grounds. If they do not, I may bring it anyway and leave it and my engines on the trailer, which would save the trouble of taking my engines off the trailer as I usually do (big trailer, not many engines). If anyone has been there in the past, I would appreciate any ideas you have. Thanks, Tony ===== ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf From mgomaize at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 14:01:57 2004 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Pageant of Power - Greenfiled Village Message-ID: <20040910210157.18152.qmail@web81204.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, I plan on attending this show Oct. 2-3. I will be taking my engines for sure, and was hoping someone who has been there could tell me what to expact from a tractor perspective. I have a 1937 Farmall F-20 on steel. Having not been to the show before, I do not know if they allow steel wheels on the museum grounds. If they do not, I may bring it anyway and leave it and my engines on the trailer, which would save the trouble of taking my engines off the trailer as I usually do (big trailer, not many engines). If anyone has been there in the past, I would appreciate any ideas you have. Thanks, Tony ===== ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 10 15:28:49 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:28:49 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems In-Reply-To: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> References: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: Bill, type these three words (military vehicles forum) into Google. You'll find a bunch of places to ask folks who've scrounged up stuff for these old things. John On Sep 9, 2004, at 9:58 AM, Bill Boyce wrote: > hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, > having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for > wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the > rubber piston cups,,,,,, also, cant find/afford a source for brake > shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs > real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, > should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, > bill boyce > lost prairie, arkanas John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com Fri Sep 10 15:59:40 2004 From: BarryandPamGorman at bigpond.com (barry gorman) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:59:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally and others References: <001501c4972f$c94e1050$3da226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <003d01c49789$e0812410$9c218b90@userw32g91tqfi> Good on you Peter .........Do as we ,who went to your top National in Busselton then on to Wyalkatchem along with all the History / Military / Car / Tractor and all else in your State . The $4000 all up return trip was a stretch , but the rally and new friends made up for that . Six of us From the same club in the Hunter Valley met at Port Augusta and travelled together from there a good time was I believe had by all , and at that tine none of us were members of the NHMA . Regards, Barry G. The Glorious Hunter Valley AUSTRALIA BarryandPamGorman at bigpond,com ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:14 PM Subject: [SEL] re National Rally and others > Adam .........I am led to believe that there is a rally at Mt Barker the > week end preceding the National . As i and several others from the south of > WA will more than likely go to the Mt Barker rally can you advise what is > required to participate . > As i seem to be the only one on the SEL list from WA i will pass on any info > you could kindly supply. > Peter Ogborne > Little Grove ,Albany > West Australia > ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' > jopeter at omninet.net.au > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From russell at ncable.com.au Fri Sep 10 16:34:31 2004 From: russell at ncable.com.au (Russell Gilbert) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:34:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] National Rally Itinerary Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20040911091907.00b69198@mail.ncable.com.au> Have been keeping a little quiet on this debate as costs don't effect me so much; I'm only about 4 hours away from Naracorte. I'll eat my own crap and sleep on the ground in my swag. .............. However for the many who will choose to travel to the National and are traveling close by my way. I will do my best to welcome a visit to chat engines and maybe start something up etc etc. Plus I recon a cold beer would also be waiting in my shed. (I owe Morris a couple already) At this stage I will most deffinately be attending. If this is to change it will only be due to my business comittments. I have visited quite a few Aussie members, (they know who they are) It was a great experience and one that if I can do the same in return I will. This also goes for the many members i have not met. You international SEL members who are planing to come; once you decide where abouts in Australia you are going to land, you could then call upon a few Aussies to help out with some good itinerary to make the most of your trip. I'm sure I am not the only one inviting people to drop by. Should you also be traveling close by I will try and make time to play engines etc. There is always a lot more positives to come out of a long trip when the total cost is balanced out over more than the rally itself. cheers, Russell Russell Gilbert Sunny Sunraysia russell at ncable.com.au http://community.webshots.com/user/russellsrelics From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 10 17:21:38 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 10:21:38 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking of doing sneaky underhand things?) Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they were running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules are rules, and dont you ever forget it!! Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You know that! Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife and children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you inside the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in there.. This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows if this were the case? (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise the full impact of what I am saying.) I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you go to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it wont get any better on the road we are following. It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I am capable of giving. I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine things. Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside the rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things are going. Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > > Patrick M Livingstone From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 10 18:22:03 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:22:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Message-ID: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Sep 10 18:31:42 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:31:42 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed References: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4142557E.000006.03328@NOTEBOOK> Hey Paul, Do you have a boot disc somewhere???? That should have the operating system on it and will enable the cd to be read. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/10/04 21:23:35 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 10 18:33:45 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:33:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed References: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <0a2801c4979f$626fe0f0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. > Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, > Paul Hi Paul, I sure hope that you got a kiss with what you bought because it sounds as if you got what usually goes with a kiss! Dave From ivancou at usachoice.net Fri Sep 10 18:37:19 2004 From: ivancou at usachoice.net (Ivan Cousins) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:37:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pictures - Right URL's this Time References: <001101c491a9$f8d2c680$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001001c4979f$e1bd72a0$ea83fea9@y0y2a7> Paul , I finally got a chance to sit down and look at the pictures you took . Dinauc17 , meet the wife ,Charlene , and with my back turned , Ivan So was the corn chopper what you expected ? From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Fri Sep 10 18:37:34 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:37:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? References: <013f01c496dc$d4064a10$240110ac@PaulMaples><414111A4.000001.01880@NOTEBOOK> <002d01c4973c$77be2b00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <007d01c4979f$ea066b60$b4c57040@user> Someone was looking for the forklift lifting another forklift. It is on here at http://www.craneaccidents.com/dummy/stupid.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT Need a laugh? try www.craneaccidents.com look for the page owners shots of himself pinned under his loader . Be careful with the heavy stuff eh ? _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 10 18:53:52 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting some info would be better here. I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is worth that. So, here are my questions: First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard because you don't seem them traded very often. Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for this one? As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical choice. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! Later, Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Sep 10 18:55:07 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 11:55:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: Message-ID: <004101c497a2$5dd012b0$8a63fea9@sweeper> George Full club members would have insurance cover and hence be allowed in the compounds whether they were showing an engine or not. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > I wonder if club members are allowed behind the fences if they are there > only as a spectator? > > If club members are allowed behind the fences, then maybe the solution > for Curt and others is to become a club member. > > George > > > > Curt > > > > Reg is right when he says you will not be able to enter the > > engine compound. > > This applies only when engines are running. This is all to do > > with liability, safety and insurance issues. They are set by > > the insurer and NHMA. > > > > I am not sure what the admission cost will be for spectators, > > but I can find out. > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Sep 10 19:00:59 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:00:59 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <004c01c497a3$2f494190$8a63fea9@sweeper> Unfortunately common sense in the eyes of the lawyers and law takes the back stalls. This is one of the reasons the NHMA can only issue guidelines which must be read in conjunction with local and State laws. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Fri Sep 10 19:10:39 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:10:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Haulage Message-ID: <007701c497a4$88b1f050$8a63fea9@sweeper> Patrick Now this is what you need. Ron http://community.webshots.com/photo/120890111/186106230fVPTKJ From clemsweller at earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 20:16:36 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:16:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed In-Reply-To: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <002c01c497ad$c7258dc0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> You will probably need to go into the system bios and change the boot sequence. There should be a message for a particular key to hit as soon as you turn it on to direct you into the bios. Some refer to it as the "system setup". Once in the configuration screen, you should be able to move around the various screens and find the default boot sequence. Make sure the CD is first followed by the harddrive. Save the changes and turn your laptop off and then back on. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 10 20:18:43 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:18:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics 4U Message-ID: <200409110318.i8B3Inep098071@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> The subject says it all... http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04 From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 10 20:29:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:29:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Corn thesher and had to share. Message-ID: <002701c497af$926c0440$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, I have no clue why my sites come up on search engines, but they seem to quite often. Just got an e-mail from someone who purchased an old farm near here. Found a 1919 corn thresher and wants it to go away for free. I think my club will soon be the new owner of this piece of history. Good news is to be shared. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From adamcottrill at telstra.com Fri Sep 10 20:25:39 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:25:39 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Curt Holland Message-ID: <9cc2869d275e.9d275e9cc286@email.bigpond.com> Hi Curt, got your email but when I replied it got booted back do you have another address I can mail to? Cheers, Adam From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 10 20:58:02 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:58:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Oz Museum Needs Help With IH 3HP M Engine Message-ID: This gent's not on the List. He could use some help with his M. I've addressed some of his basic questions offlist, but he's gonna need more help. Some of you Ozzies might be especially helpful with parts sources, etc. John Begin forwarded message: > From: "Brian Taylor" > Date: September 10, 2004 11:02:58 PM EDT > To: > Subject: IH 3m Engine > Reply-To: "Brian Taylor" > > Hi John > I work at the Hervey Bay Historical Society Museum as a volunteer and > we have decided to restore a stationary engine that we have. > I have been trying to indentify it and could just make out the words > International Harvester on the alloy plate on the top. > Searching the web I came across your site and have determined that it > is a 3 HP. Model "M" the same as yours. > We are starting the strip down next week. I have soaked all external > nuts and moving parts with penetrating oil. > We can rotate the large wheels ok and the exhaust valve gear seems to > operate ok. > The inlet valve can be pushed in easily on its spring. > We know nothing about restoring old engines, so any assistance you can > offer would be most appreciated.? > I am a retired motor engineer so have general knowledge in this area. > ? How does one extract the large keys from the flywheels? > ? Is the fuel inlet at the end of the machine? > ? I assume this engine started on petrol and was then switched over to > kero? > ? Underneath the cam gear, there is a cam which seems to operate a > spring loaded pump of some kind. > Is this some kind of fuel injector? > ? There are 3 controls on the "carburettor"...One marked GAS, one > marked WAT and one for OIL? > Does WAT stand for water? > ? > I am sure I will have lots more questions John, any help you can give > will be most appreciated. > ? > Brian Taylor > 163/7 Bay Drive > Pialba > Hervey Bay > Queensland 4655 > Australia > ? > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Sat Sep 11 00:43:05 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] National Rally - Which Yanks are attending? In-Reply-To: <4141DAC1.7020400@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <20040911074305.23731.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> I'll be there. :) Curt Holland wrote: Though nearly 6 months away, would it be possible for those US, SEL members considering attending the Australian National Rally speak up. If we all know who each other are, perhaps we can help each other out with accommodations, flight deals, exchange rate issues, etc. I imagine a lot of the trip planning details could be discussed off list and copying all parties in those emails would be very beneficial. This will be our first significant international trip and I welcome all the input I can get. We're in! Curt and Missy Holland Gastonia, NC curt at imc-group.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Sep 11 03:38:13 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:38:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally SEL Compound Message-ID: <9d66ff9d3a1b.9d3a1b9d66ff@email.bigpond.com> Hi Kerry, No appologies needed mate, if the SEL want a compound let me know Ill slot one in. But that being said alot of guys I know will be attending with and representing there clubs in a specific club compound??? which do you want? club or sel? The alternative is a private meeting place for the SEL Im sure can arrange this with no problems but of coure I will wait for the direction of the SEL over all before I approach the committee with this. Let me know what you want gents. Cheers, Adam From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Sep 11 03:42:47 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:42:47 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: SEL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 11 Message-ID: <9d100d9d082f.9d082f9d100d@email.bigpond.com> Hey Dave, I will be personally passing on your letter to the Committe to be read out at the meeting this Thursday. Thanks for the heads up message as per below! Hi Adam (and others from OZ), Since I'm not from OZ I will not comment on the strange customs that you seem to have regarding fencing and insurance at your shows. However, I do need to warn all of you Down Under that if Reg changes his mind and decides to attend the National (and I hope that he will) you should lock up your daughters and put chastity belts on your wives! I would also suggest that you not bend over to look closely at any engine. The sheep in the area of the National will, however, be just fine--all of them at Portland are still smiling from Reg's visit over a year ago! Dave Kind regards, Adam P.S I was kidding that is unless you want me to.....? From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sat Sep 11 03:57:06 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:57:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> Hi Reg and everyone, Mate again you have raised in a round about way a point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is difficult? You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly about your concerns. The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. Kind regards, Adam From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sat Sep 11 07:52:41 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 07:52:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Otis Bros. engine Message-ID: <200409111452.i8BEqjep074861@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Just outta curiosity... Has anyone ever seen, or know the existance of, an Otis Bros. engine? Since I am now one of their loyal subjects, it would be interesting to see one of their engines. =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From nick at holden1.net Sat Sep 11 09:02:28 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:02:28 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41432194.000001.03512@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> if its any help Titans are going for around ?13000 at sales over heir in England Nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/11/04 03:08:05 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting some info would be better here. I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is worth that. So, here are my questions: First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard because you don't seem them traded very often. Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for this one? As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical choice. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! Later, Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 09:12:38 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:12:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed In-Reply-To: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040911091158.00c24410@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, do you have the bios set to boot the CD? Bob Holtzer At 08:22 PM 9/10/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you >are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. > >I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, >sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I >really like. > >As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and >one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use >it for >school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and >installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the >change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. > >I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on >expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I >got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message >"Operating System not Found" > >Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a >new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still >get the same thing "Operating System not Found" > >Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix >it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 11:35:57 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:35:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? Chuck Emsweller Bessemer Fairbanks Caille Hercules -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam Cottrill Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Hi Reg and everyone, Mate again you have raised in a round about way a point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is difficult? You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly about your concerns. The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. Kind regards, Adam _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Sep 11 11:59:53 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:59:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <3ni6k09sdqn9bsiu9eimiqs5g47dgtsrvu@4ax.com> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:35:57 -0500, you wrote: >So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine >show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? >Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > >Chuck Emsweller I think you will find that it only applies to those wanting access to the engine enclosures, Chuck, not to the general public access places and walkways. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes diesel at easynet.co.uk Engine pages for preservation info: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From sndakitto at rbm.com.au Sat Sep 11 15:24:09 2004 From: sndakitto at rbm.com.au (Steven N Kitto) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:54:09 +0930 Subject: [SEL] national rally - naracoorte Message-ID: <001c01c4984e$27af7de0$eee5fea9@SKitto> To those from Oz who are coming and want exhibit space as a group, let me know and I will make sure it is organised. To help, mark your registration form clearly as "ATIS/ OLD Engine Group" I will inform the registration people that this will happen Steve Steve and Denise Kitto 4 Fifth Ave Naracoorte South Australia Ph 08 87621147 As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. Proverbs 27:19 From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 11 16:00:41 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:00:41 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002c01c49853$2d9455a0$9ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to going to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could stand in the launch pad with out insurance! ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > Chuck Emsweller > Bessemer > Fairbanks > Caille > Hercules > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > Cottrill > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is > difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly > about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sat Sep 11 17:40:28 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:40:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <9d65c49d62bd.9d62bd9d65c4@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <006301c49861$1a26da20$8a63fea9@sweeper> Hear Hear Adam. It is great that the insurers are going to be at the rally. It will not only give the NHMA members a chance to talk to them direct but will give the insurers first hand information on how we conduct rallies. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Cottrill" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jbcast at charter.net Sat Sep 11 17:57:53 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 0:57:53 +0000 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <391s2r$8pm0ia@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? Thanks, J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 11 19:46:51 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:46:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0a8d01c49872$c225b000$0400a8c0@Dave> I always liked the looks of the Titan > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. > Later, > Joe Hi Joe, This alone is reason enough for you to buy the Titan! The 10-20 was built from 1915 to 1922. A total of 78,363 of them were built during that time period--and only 76,310 other models of the Titan were built during that period. The 10-20 weighs 255 lbs. per HP. Dave PS, For any LIBERALS on the List the 255 lbs. per HP equates to 5,700 lbs! From transteck at earthlink.net Sat Sep 11 21:19:39 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:19:39 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000b01c4982e$3444acd0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002a01c4987f$b8dcc080$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Chuck, I think you nailed it. Seems to be about money and this whole damn thing has been about money. I'm not even sure what an engine compound is and don't care to know. A few views of what I have attended is what I consider normal. Listers running. Notice the security rope. Can I get on the trailer and look with the owner? YES! http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault17.html Would this be considered inside the engine compound? http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault30.html My side of the pull area had no rope. Required some common sense to stay out of the way. http://frapa.us/Photos/CiderDays/Cd22.html We not only enjoyed the steam tractors, we got to participate. No membership, no insurance card, and a modest entry fee as a visitor. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/BirdCity/BirdCity31.html I think there are some great people down under, but their rules and regulations are completely insane. My advice for the next Nat Rally. Put up six foot fences with pictures of engines on the front side. Run battery operated cd players with a cd of the engine running behind the fence. Battery operated for safety of course. Electricity can be fatal. Charge the visitors a bunch of money and save those that put on the show the time and trouble of bringing their engines. Works for me. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > Chuck Emsweller > Bessemer > Fairbanks > Caille > Hercules > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > Cottrill > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is > difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly > about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From mickc at vic.australis.com.au Sun Sep 12 00:45:13 2004 From: mickc at vic.australis.com.au (Michael Christie) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:45:13 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Bill Dickerson Message-ID: <003801c4989c$711072c0$eca557ca@andrewiowlw0rj> Could Bill Dickerson please contact me off list please reguarding flywheels and crank. cheers Mick Mickc at vic.australis.com.au ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/ From clemsweller at earthlink.net Sun Sep 12 04:33:31 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:33:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <002c01c49853$2d9455a0$9ea226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment and would continue to run them at will without fence or special insurance. The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping in and scaring us all away from our hobby! Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you are on the right track! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter ogborne Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to going to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could stand in the launch pad with out insurance! ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or club? > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > Chuck Emsweller > Bessemer > Fairbanks > Caille > Hercules > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > Cottrill > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as descibed > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either to > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this is > difficult? > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them directly > about your concerns. > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is in > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several things > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and I > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > Kind regards, > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From adamcottrill at telstra.com Sun Sep 12 05:42:49 2004 From: adamcottrill at telstra.com (Adam Cottrill) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:42:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Not sent???? Message-ID: <9de2b69df4a8.9df4a89de2b6@email.bigpond.com> Hi everyone, was I the only one to miss out on Issue 12? If anyone has it would they be kind enough to forwarding it across. Many thanks and kind regards, Adam From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 12 06:40:03 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:40:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte Message-ID: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> I'm working on a 3hp model K Witte that I just can't get to run to suit me. The engine cranks when cold with 2-4 turns of the flywheels. Hot, it cranks with 1-2. I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). The engine has great compression. It has new rings and valve springs. With all this it seems to want to continually 8 cycle, even under load. I talked with a fellow SEL member and we were thinking air leaks around the carb. I have inspected the throttle shaft for excess wear and checked the butterfly to see if it is sealing well, both seem OK. The fit where the carb slips into the head seems a little loose bit I tried spraying penetrating oil around it with the engine running to see if it would pull it in but I didn't notice any change. I have tried running the engine of both sides of the carbs with the same results. I'm suspecting the choke plate. I have tried different springs as well as installed a new plate. Any idea what is going on here? I tried looking for 8 cycling in the archives but something with the ATIS site wasn't working. I'd be interested to know if this topic has been well discussed in the past. John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From michael.y at ozemail.com.au Sun Sep 12 03:29:11 2004 From: michael.y at ozemail.com.au (Michael Young) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:29:11 +1000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006d01c498b3$594c5840$0301a8c0@Young1203> Joe, its been a day and no one your side of the pond has answered, so I'll stick my spoke in. Recent sales in Oz that I can recall are for up to $Aus20K for a restored Titan, down to $Aus7k or even less for unrestored rough ones with the usual "what ifs" that entails. My observation at least is that you guys pay more for your home grown stuff, particularly IHC machinery, than we do. So by that measure $US13K doesn't sound too much for one that is up and running with a paint job. Mate in a few months time you'll forget the pain of the $ gone and the misses will forgive you, so just go and get it before someone else does! regards, Michael Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions > I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic > there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot > more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting > some info would be better here. > I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main > criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably > have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to > our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a > spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while > desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but > I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and > I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a > good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! > What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying > prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even > though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a > show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically > and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a > small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock > or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, > with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has > the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and > chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they > are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is > worth that. > So, here are my questions: > First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding > prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard > because you don't seem them traded very often. > Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH > book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. > Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is > there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make > and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for > this one? > As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not > going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. > I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out > of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them > told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort > of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical > choice. > Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are > all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! > Later, > Joe > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI > www.badgersteamandgas.com > Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show > August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 > ***************** > "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" > Old Irish Proverb > ****************** > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Sun Sep 12 06:54:52 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:54:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> Message-ID: <002801c498d0$13cb5a10$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Hi John, I will go along with the exhaust valve setting but firing 45 deg BTDC can't possibly be right, 5 degrees is more like it. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA 92544 U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 6:40 AM Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 12 08:37:38 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:37:38 -0400 Subject: Fw: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: <000a01c498de$6f18e280$0400a8c0@Dave> > I always liked the looks of the Titan > > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. > > Later, > > Joe > Hi Joe, This alone is reason enough for you to buy the Titan! The 10-20 was built from 1915 to 1922. A total of 78,363 of them were built during that time period--and only 76,310 other models of the Titan were built during that period. The 10-20 weighs 255 lbs. per HP. Dave PS, For any LIBERALS on the List the 255 lbs. per HP equates to 5,700 lbs! From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sun Sep 12 05:23:11 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:23:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte Message-ID: <028f01c498c3$45a36f80$14d34c0c@pentium> I'm working on a 3hp model K Witte that I just can't get to run to suit me. The engine cranks when cold with 2-4 turns of the flywheels. Hot, it cranks with 1-2. I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). The engine has great compression. It has new rings and valve springs. With all this it seems to want to continually 8 cycle, even under load. I talked with a fellow SEL member and we were thinking air leaks around the carb. I have inspected the throttle shaft for excess wear and checked the butterfly to see if it is sealing well, both seem OK. The fit where the carb slips into the head seems a little loose bit I tried spraying penetrating oil around it with the engine running to see if it would pull it in but I didn't notice any change. I have tried running the engine of both sides of the carbs with the same results. I'm suspecting the choke plate. I have tried different springs as well as installed a new plate. Any idea what is going on here? I tried looking for 8 cycling in the archives but something with the ATIS site wasn't working. I'd be interested to know if this topic has been well discussed in the past. John Hall jthall at worldnet.att.net From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 12 10:20:31 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:20:31 -0700 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte In-Reply-To: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> Message-ID: <200409121720.i8CHKYep004094@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to > close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. That sounds good. Since you know how to check that stuff, when does it open? Anywhere from 30 to 0 degrees before bottom should be ok. It's easy to check, so start there. > I have also checked spark timing and it is set around 45deg BTDC > (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the writer of that book was smoking crack. Give it ten degrees. If everything doesn't work nicely after that, try to restrict the incoming air. The mixer was made to run at rated speed and horsepower with full air flow through the venturi. You may have to get tricky to compensate for slower speeds and less load. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Sep 12 10:25:32 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:25:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte In-Reply-To: <200409121720.i8CHKYep004094@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409121720.i8CHKYep004094@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: > I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the writer of > that book was smoking crack. Give it ten degrees. Just for reference, Rob, that's the proper, factory-set timing for an ignitor 3 HP IHC M. (45?BTDC) I think the IHC engineers may have been coked up when they came up with that. It was OTC back then, even if the crack form hadn't yet been invented. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jbcast at charter.net Sun Sep 12 10:35:23 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:35:23 +0000 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte Message-ID: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> > > I have checked exhaust timing and have it set to > > close just past TDC, aprox 5deg. > > That sounds good. Since you know how to check that stuff, > when does it open? Anywhere from 30 to 0 degrees before > bottom should be ok. It's easy to check, so start there. > > > I have also checked spark timing and it is set around > 45deg BTDC > > (got this value out of book for an earlier Witte). > > I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the writer of > that book was smoking crack. Give it ten degrees. > > If everything doesn't work nicely after that, try to > restrict the incoming air. The mixer was made to run at > rated speed and horsepower with full air flow through the > venturi. You may have to get tricky to compensate for > slower speeds and less load. > > Rob > Can you richen it up enough to make it smoke? If not check your fuel system and check valve. J.B. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sun Sep 12 11:31:48 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:31:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Davis Auction in Anderson IN Message-ID: <41449614.7000101@scrtc.com> Did anyone attend the Davis Auction in Anderson, IN yesterday? Just curious what some of the items brought. Thanks. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From jdohagan at comcast.net Sun Sep 12 15:18:53 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:18:53 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Barber Bro's engine Message-ID: <200409122218.i8CMIsep018120@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi, Larry Evens was gracious enough to post a picture of a Barber Bro's vert.3 Horse engine for me. I need to move it from Kingston NY. to near San Francisco ,Ca. A picture of it with a mixer can be seen at http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/barberbros Only the engine needs a ride. Any help moving it westward would help, there are guys from out here that go to the bigger shows/swaps in the Midwest inc. Portland and Cool Springs. If I can get it there, that would be half the battle. Dose any one have any information on it as I know very little on the company's history or the care and feeding of the engine. Thanks Larry for the help. Jimmy O'Hagan 415 892 0236 Jim O'Hagan From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 12 18:11:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:11:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Montgomery Ward info update Message-ID: <000801c4992e$8b8a79b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, This is not done, but I have added a lot more information. Thanks to those that took time to help me out. Much more work than I anticipated and I carry on. http://oldengine.org/members/allen/WardCatalogs/WardCatalogs.html Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From hit_n_miss at tc3net.com Sun Sep 12 18:31:01 2004 From: hit_n_miss at tc3net.com (Paul Russell) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:31:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems References: <003701c49675$1096b9f0$6401a8c0@BillyBob> Message-ID: <000801c49931$54b4d180$8bc67040@user> Memphis equipment specializes in army trucks. If you need address let me know off list. Paul Russell Riga, Michigan hit_n_miss at tc3net.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Boyce" To: "stationary engine list" Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: [SEL] OT... brake problems hello all,, have obtained a 1946 GMC 2 1/2 ton 6X6 army truck,,, having trouble finding brake parts,,, anyone know of a source for wheel cylinder parts? i think i could get by with just replacing the rubber piston cups,,,,,, also, cant find/afford a source for brake shoes,,, anyone know of a place that relines shoes? old thing runs real well,,, have gotten all trans/transfer cases leaks stopped,,,,, should make a nice farm truck,,,, any ideas will be appreciated,, bill boyce lost prairie, arkanas _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From curt at imc-group.com Mon Sep 13 06:47:16 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt Holland) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:47:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Cotton Ginning Days Oct. 8, 9, and 10th. Message-ID: <4145A4E4.2060808@imc-group.com> Guys, Cotton Ginning Days is less than a month away! Wanted to make the announcement of our 17th annual show at Dallas, NC (Gastonia). Our feature engine this year is Stickney. The CGD show is done in conjunction with the county at the county horse park. The combination of rolling terrain and flat areas for camping make for a very nice show grounds. We generally have about 300 exhibitors and 25,000 spectators. If you like talking with people and explaining to the general public what your engines/tractors do, this is the show for you! Very few shows have this kind of spectator to exhibitor ratio. Our grounds include a fully functioning 1900 Continental Gin driven with a 37 HP FM semi diesel driving it. Here is a link showing a few pictures: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/cottongin.htm We will be ginning cotton all three days of the show. We also have built a blacksmith building: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2003/16_13C.html click "fwd" thru about 6 images of the blacksmith building showing Bob hammering a part. Some pictures from last years show can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/CottonGinningDays2003/Thumbnails.html On Friday evening in front of the gin building, will be the social with an unbelievable assortment of deserts and hot cider served. As always we serve a free country dinner on Saturday evening to all displaying exhibitors. We'll be weighing the bale of cotton on Sunday afternoon for the cash prize for who guessed the weight the closest. A map and directions can be found here: http://www.oldengine.org/members/gamtra/images/Showinfo/Annualshow.htm We believe Cotton Ginning Days is one of the nicest shows in the southeast. We hope you can join us this year and we look forward to seeing you. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC (704) 853-2992 (home) (704) 471-6573 (work) (704) 472-8599 (cell) From weirgrant at hotmail.com Mon Sep 13 08:58:10 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:58:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: Hi Joe, I understand your sentiment about the tractor list being mostly about rubber tired machines. I too am mostly about pre-1930 steel-wheeled tractors and have little use for talk about starter repair or distibutor trouble. To me, if it don't at least have a crank and a mag it aint an "antique" - it's just old. :-) Too bad you missed the Happy Farmer - those are neat. Rumely's and spoker D's are neat too but hardly "rare" or even uncommon - if that's what your looking for. The Titan seems like a fine choice for you. Not too big, but big enough to make lots of noise and have lots of levers. After all, noise and levers really is what tractors are all about - more of both! A Titan is pretty weird looking too and an antique tractor should be at least a little bit weird looking. It sounds like the one you are looking to buy is in pretty good shape too. I don't think $13,000 sounds too out of line if it's a good one. Go for it Joe! Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:53:52 -0700 (PDT) > >I ask here because I am also on the tractor list and most of the traffic >there is related to the rubber tired variety and since a Titan is a lot >more like a gas engine than a tractor, I thought the chances of getting >some info would be better here. >I have been wanting to get a nice tractor for quite awhile. My main >criteria are that it has to be on steel, made before 1930 and preferably >have two cylinders or less. Since we have plenty of John Deeres come to >our show, I ruled them out even though I was offered a fair deal on a >spoker D. Rumely's are pretty pricey for what you get, and while >desirable, not really rare. A Rumely is probably the best investment, but >I want it for a toy, first. Hart-Parrs are pretty scarce around here, and >I haven't found a real good one yet. I missed a Happy Farmer, which is a >good tractor now, but wasn't when it was new! >What I have found are several (5) different 10-20 Titans, at varying >prices in various states of repair. I always liked the looks of the Titan >and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. Even >though there are several in the state, it is fairly rare to see one at a >show. The one I like is an older restoration, in good shape mechanically >and the paint is still presentable. The tanks are correct and, save a >small dent in the water tank, in good condition. The engine doesn't knock >or smoke excessively, and it starts and runs good. It is a 1919 model, >with the exhaust exiting to the bottom and front of the tractor. It has >the large carby and a good KW high bar mag. The tranny, sprockets and >chains seem good and it looks like a winner. The price is $13,000 and they >are pretty firm on that. I can swing that if know that the tractor is >worth that. >So, here are my questions: >First, does anyone know what the going price is on a decent Titan? Finding >prices on some of this stuff, except for auction prices, is pretty hard >because you don't seem them traded very often. >Second, does anyone know the weight on one of these? I can't find my IH >book or the Nebraska Tractor Test Book. I am guessing 3 to 3 1/2 tons. >Third, Does anyone know of any particular weaknesses on the Titan? Is >there anywhere that I should be looking for a particular flaw? Every make >and model seems to have it's own set of quirks, does anyone know any for >this one? >As you can tell, I am pretty excited about getting a tractor. I am not >going to quit playing with my engines, but a tractor is pretty neat, too. >I was looking at a few traction engines, but my buddies have talked me out >of it with all the changes to the boiler rules and all that. One of them >told me that it was a time bomb waiting to go off in my wallet, which sort >of got my attention! So, an early gas tractor seems to be the next logical >choice. >Thanks in advance for any help you can give me, and if I get one, you are >all welcome to come to Baraboo and play with it! >Later, >Joe > >===== >Joe Prindle >Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI >www.badgersteamandgas.com >Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show >August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 >***************** >"Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" >Old Irish Proverb >****************** > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. >http://messenger.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From FRM8198 at aol.com Mon Sep 13 16:33:43 2004 From: FRM8198 at aol.com (FRM8198 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 19:33:43 EDT Subject: [SEL] Test (OT) Message-ID: <80.15f16676.2e778857@aol.com> Hi List, This is a test as I haven't receive any SEL message for a day. Francis Maciel Santa Maria, California From Carrowor at comcast.net Mon Sep 13 19:13:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:13:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Danged ole' Economy (yet again) Message-ID: <414653D7.000003.03824@NOTEBOOK> Hey all, My continued efforts with this old gal are confounding at best. It appears that maybe I'm gonna haveta re-ring her. Just like a woman I guess, after so many years they want/need? new rings. Anybody help me out with info on where to get rings & a new head gasket for a 5hp Economy. I'll appreciate any help I can get. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 13 19:51:04 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:51:04 -0400 Subject: Fw: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: <002a01c49a05$ada08a30$0400a8c0@Dave> > > I always liked the looks of the Titan > > > and can just barely remember the one my grandpa had when I was a kid. > > > Later, > > > Joe > > Hi Joe, This alone is reason enough for you to buy the Titan! The 10-20 was built from 1915 to 1922. A total of 78,363 of them were built during that time period--and only 76,310 other models of the Titan were built during that period. The 10-20 weighs 255 lbs. per HP. Dave PS, For any LIBERALS on the List the 255 lbs. per HP equates to 5,700 lbs! From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Sep 13 20:09:50 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:09:50 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed In-Reply-To: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005901c49a08$4e60a930$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Assuming the computer is new enough to be able to, it needs to be able to boot from the CD. Typically, the boot sequence is set in the BIOS settings to boot from the hard drive (HD) first. If that is the case, and it finds no OS on the HD, it will fail with an operating system not found message. You will need to press whatever key or key chord is needed to get into the BIOS settings when the machine is first powered on. Change the boot sequence to CD then either floppy or HD. If it STILL won't boot from the CD, you will then need a bootable floppy that also has CD drivers, a sort of "universal boot diskette". Your recovery CD should be bootable, the XP CD will be for sure. However, if you install THAT copy of XP on it and use THAT product number to install that copy, you could have some issues when it goes to register itself with Microsoft.......... Meaning they track who has used that number on what computer. (MY point being, be VERY careful about using some else's Microsoft product CDs to install to your own computer) Bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:22 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed Ok I am going to make the assumption that if you opened this message you are interested in it's content so I hope I don't get flamed. I finally got tired of dealing with my old Sony Vaio PCG-FX370 laptop, sold some things and went and bought a new Sony Vaio PCG-K25 Laptop which I really like. As you know at 60 years old I am raising my two grandson, one is 15 and one is 10. They wanted me to try and fix the old laptop so they could use it for school. I was told the Hard Drive was bad so I ordered a new hardrive and installed it. A guy sent me detailed instructions and pictures on how the change out the hard drive which was fairly easy. I put my Number #1 Recovery Disk in the CD Drive and turned the pc on expecting the Recovery CD's to re-load the operating system however what I got was the Sony Logo and then after about 45 seconds I get a message "Operating System not Found" Surmising that the Recovery Disk may be bad my daughter brought me over a new copy of Windows XP pro and I installed it in the CD drive and I still get the same thing "Operating System not Found" Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix it. Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Mon Sep 13 21:21:01 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (fero_ah at city-net.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:21:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <1095135661.414671adc6675@webmail.city-net.com> GOOD ON YA MATE!! Keep fighting for what is "right." You may not win, but you have the love and support of your like-minded mates!!!!! See ya, Arnie PS - Sorry for not deleting bits of your post. I'm on a business trip with a crap laptop and a poxy email connection. 8-(( Quoting Reg & Margaret Ingold : > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking of > doing sneaky underhand things?) > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they were > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules are > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You know > that! > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife and > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you inside > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in there.. > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > if this were the case? > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise the > full impact of what I am saying.) > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you go > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > wont get any better on the road we are following. > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > am capable of giving. > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine things. > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside the > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things are > going. > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > > wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > > > > Patrick M Livingstone > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 13 22:26:41 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:26:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <391s2r$8pm0ia@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 14 00:08:53 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:08:53 +0100 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003201c49a29$b1a2f540$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking of > doing sneaky underhand things?) Large Snip > Reg & Marg Ingold. Hi Reg, I thought most of the Aussies were over there just because one of their relatives wouldn't follow the rules. 8^) You are the exception that proves the rule. Dave Croft From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 00:38:14 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:38:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Danged ole' Economy (yet again) References: <414653D7.000003.03824@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <00d601c49a2d$cb2c2410$0400a8c0@Dave> Anybody help me out with info on where to get rings & a new head gasket for a 5hp Economy. I'll appreciate any help I can get. Bob To the best of my knowledge Hit and Miss has both. Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 00:40:21 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 03:40:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] SEL Digest, Not sent???? References: <9de2b69df4a8.9df4a89de2b6@email.bigpond.com> Message-ID: <00e101c49a2e$170c1f20$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi everyone, > was I the only one to miss out on Issue 12? If anyone has it would they be kind enough to forwarding it across. > Many thanks and kind regards, > Adam Hi Adam, The List has been down for about 48 hours. Spencer tells me that nothing (well, to be honest about 3 posts) have come into it during that whole time. Dave From brianne at ultratune.com.au Tue Sep 14 01:21:44 2004 From: brianne at ultratune.com.au (Brian Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:21:44 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Engine info needed. Message-ID: <000c01c49a33$e139fce0$0cc4dccb@t2c0r9> Hi Folks If any one has any information at all on the following two engines, it would be most appreciated. We are planning to restore them later this year. 1. Wauch & Josephson 3 1/2 HP Diesel Serial No. 17374 2. Chapman Super Pup 4 1/4 HP petrol Eng. No. SCSP867 Both engines are of Australian manufacture. I believe the Pup engine came from a boat. Thanks in advance Brian Taylor Hervey Bay Historical Society Museum From cgandree at mchsi.com Tue Sep 14 04:32:14 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:32:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland Pics 4U Message-ID: <091420041132.27693.358b@mchsi.com> Great Pics Robb..... thanks, Curt Andree > The subject says it all... > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04 > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 14 04:33:06 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:33:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own fraternity. If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "chuck emsweller" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > insurance. > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > are on the right track! > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > ogborne > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > going > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > stand in > the launch pad with out insurance! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > club? > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > Bessemer > > Fairbanks > > Caille > > Hercules > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > Cottrill > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > descibed > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > to > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > is > > difficult? > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > directly > > about your concerns. > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > in > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > things > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > I > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > Kind regards, > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 14 04:38:24 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:38:24 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Test (OT) References: <80.15f16676.2e778857@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c49a4f$5b8911a0$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Got it here Francis ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: [SEL] Test (OT) > Hi List, > This is a test as I haven't receive any SEL message for a day. > > > Francis Maciel > Santa Maria, California > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From yostsw at atis.net Tue Sep 14 07:02:42 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:02:42 -0400 Subject: [SEL] List outage References: <200409140938330078.14456D49@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200409141002420015.145B8932@heavyiron.atis.net> There was a list outage 36-48 hours that affected SEL(and possibly steam-engine too). My apologies for not catching it sooner and thanks to Dave R for bringing it to my attention. A subscriber's mail site had a serious mail loop, and my list software shut down the list because of it. Why the list software didn't notify me, I am not sure. It is supposed to in these circumstances. Again my apologies and please do not hesitate to email me at Spencer.Yost at stationary-engine.com if there is ever any kind of extended outage again. Spencer Yost From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Tue Sep 14 14:11:11 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:11:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Otis Bros Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A70210245E@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>Since I am now one of their loyal subjects, it would be >>interesting to see one of their engines. >>Rob As in Otis Elevators? "Otis has more than sixty thousand employees and revenues exceeding six billion dollars." Hope you get a LOT of that, Rob! Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 14 14:35:28 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:35:28 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002c01c49aa2$c4e5f200$5e111bd3@athlon> I suggest you read the facts regarding that tractor explosion before you make statements like the ones in your mail. It is your twisting of things that give the totally wrong impression of events. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in > engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own > fraternity. > If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and > enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence > so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good > insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived > inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like > pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the > hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I > would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the > launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they > are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would > not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to > send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > > insurance. > > > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > > are on the right track! > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > > ogborne > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > > going > > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > > stand in > > the launch pad with out insurance! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > > club? > > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > Bessemer > > > Fairbanks > > > Caille > > > Hercules > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > > Cottrill > > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > > descibed > > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > > to > > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > > is > > > difficult? > > > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > > directly > > > about your concerns. > > > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > > in > > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > > things > > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > > I > > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From shop at cccomm.net Tue Sep 14 14:45:25 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:45:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040911015352.12052.qmail@web20225.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01b501c49aa4$251e8e10$6401a8c0@Shop> Joe, I agree with you about the Tractor List as the latest and greatest discussion is how or what type of calcium or other that can be put into tires. I am a 2 or 4 cylinder steel tractor guy(along with the engines on this list). I also own a Titan. 1917 serial number TV3690. It's the earliest one I know of, but I recently heard of an eariler one in NY State. The most critical thing to look for when purchasing one is the main and rod bearings. They are lubricated from a mechanical drip oiler (Madison-Kipp) through copper tubing to the main and rod bearings, used once and then the oil is discarded out the bottom of the crankcase. The oil is delivered to the rod bearings via slingers and if one of the lines plugs up it will sieze a bearing. Before you buy, pull the top crankcase cover (8bolts) and look at the rod bearings. Hopefully some shims will still be there, just check how much play is there. Just about everything else on that tractor can be readily fixed, however depending on the year most parts are hard to find. Is the fuel pump there? Historically they were removed after the tractor was parked for the last time, removed and used on the larger stationary engines in that era. Took me two years to find one and then I had to completely rebuild it. Price? Good question. $13,000 sounds like an excellent buy if something terrible isn't wrong. There was a guy advertising through the Yesterday's Tractor website recently offering $18,000 not running and $21,000+ for one running in any condition. It's a typical situation of who wants what, where and when. The weight of mine is 5,990 when weighed at a recent tractor show. Good luck and it is good to know there is another Titan enthusiast out there..... Contact me if you need more info. Dave From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 14 15:31:59 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:31:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <01b501c49aa4$251e8e10$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <4147715F.000003.03976@NOTEBOOK> Just a quick note I've been following you fellows on the titan conversation. If you're interested I'll try to get ahold of a couple of original titan manuals I spotted in my dad's things. If I'm right there's owner's manuals and shop manual's in mom's basement yet. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/14/04 17:50:25 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Joe, I agree with you about the Tractor List as the latest and greatest discussion is how or what type of calcium or other that can be put into tires. I am a 2 or 4 cylinder steel tractor guy(along with the engines on this list). I also own a Titan. 1917 serial number TV3690. It's the earliest one I know of, but I recently heard of an eariler one in NY State. The most critical thing to look for when purchasing one is the main and rod bearings. They are lubricated from a mechanical drip oiler (Madison-Kipp) through copper tubing to the main and rod bearings, used once and then the oil is discarded out the bottom of the crankcase. The oil is delivered to the rod bearings via slingers and if one of the lines plugs up it will sieze a bearing. Before you buy, pull the top crankcase cover (8bolts) and look at the rod bearings. Hopefully some shims will still be there, just check how much play is there. Just about everything else on that tractor can be readily fixed, however depending on the year most parts are hard to find. Is the fuel pump there? Historically they were removed after the tractor was parked for the last time, removed and used on the larger stationary engines in that era. Took me two years to find one and then I had to completely rebuild it. Price? Good question. $13,000 sounds like an excellent buy if something terrible isn't wrong. There was a guy advertising through the Yesterday's Tractor website recently offering $18,000 not running and $21,000+ for one running in any condition. It's a typical situation of who wants what, where and when. The weight of mine is 5,990 when weighed at a recent tractor show. Good luck and it is good to know there is another Titan enthusiast out there..... Contact me if you need more info. Dave _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Sep 14 16:49:52 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:49:52 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> Well said Peter. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in > engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own > fraternity. > If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and > enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence > so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good > insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived > inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like > pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the > hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I > would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the > launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they > are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would > not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to > send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > > insurance. > > > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > > are on the right track! > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > > ogborne > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > > going > > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > > stand in > > the launch pad with out insurance! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > > club? > > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > Bessemer > > > Fairbanks > > > Caille > > > Hercules > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > > Cottrill > > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > > descibed > > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > > to > > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > > is > > > difficult? > > > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > > directly > > > about your concerns. > > > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > > in > > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > > things > > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > > I > > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 14 17:10:46 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:10:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: On Sep 12, 2004, at 7:33 AM, chuck emsweller wrote: > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in > the > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Same here, Chuck. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 14 17:15:30 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:15:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte In-Reply-To: <002801c498d0$13cb5a10$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <001c01c498ce$02a0e400$0ad94c0c@pentium> <002801c498d0$13cb5a10$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <5AAEBEAE-06AC-11D9-B6A0-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Nope. When it's all set up according to the marks, it trips the ignitor 45? BTDC. John On Sep 12, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Jim and Diane wrote: > Hi John, > > I will go along with the exhaust valve setting but firing 45 deg BTDC > can't > possibly be right, 5 degrees is more like it. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 17:21:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:21:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> > Well said Peter. > Ron >>take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." Peter must be a LIBERAL--they are the ones who make BS up to suit their preconceived conclusions! Dave PS, Ron, Are you a LIBERAL also? From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 14 17:50:27 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:50:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> From: "Rob Skinner" > > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html Hi Rob, Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 HP Galloway. (See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in the above.) Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as I can unload this DOG! Dave PS, A package should arrive for you and Kelley tomorrow! From Carrowor at comcast.net Tue Sep 14 18:46:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:46:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: Message-ID: <41479EFF.000003.02820@NOTEBOOK> -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/14/04 21:39:57 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter On Sep 12, 2004, at 7:33 AM, chuck emsweller wrote: > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in > the > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Same here, Chuck. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA And same here too!!!! 98% of the fun for me is "hands-on" and planting my fanny in your chair swapping lies!!!! LOL Bob Jacobs Holland, Mi., USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 14 19:02:44 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:02:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <20040914.220510.480.0.jlb94@juno.com> > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. = = = = = = = = = = The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the engine. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Sep 14 19:08:06 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:08:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <005a01c49ac8$d7673b20$8a63fea9@sweeper> No Dave. I was referring to the comments regarding insurance. As for the Case Steam accident I have no knowledge. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > Well said Peter. > > Ron > >>take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > > > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. > > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." Peter > must be a LIBERAL--they are the ones who make BS up to suit their > preconceived conclusions! > Dave > PS, Ron, Are you a LIBERAL also? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 19:12:09 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ron Page Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Well said Peter. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back .I am sure we have all seen some STUPID things done in > engine compounds by members of the public and by members of our own > fraternity. > If following the rules set down by the NHMA allows me to show my engine and > enjoy the company of fellow enthusiasts and this means being behind a fence > so be it . Surely being able to sleep at night knowing that we have a good > insurance policy in the event of an accident is worth the perceived > inconvenience .Litigation is with us and trying to fight against it is like > pissing into the wind and could be expensive.I would prefer to enjoy the > hobby and not rage against the rules,lets face it is it a great problem? I > would also venture to say that some STUPID bastard would stand under the > launch pad if they could! I have no truck with insurance underwriters ,they > are a necessary evil in this day and age ....but show me the man who would > not lodge a claim if he felt justified in doing so.$ 12 is not going to > send me broke.......so lets enjoy the hobby > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chuck emsweller" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Still sounds an awful lot like communism to me. Were it that way in the > > states, I am afraid I wouldn't be attending any shows. Which would mean > > that the general public would be the ones missing out on the engines > > that I display. I would still have my engines at home for my enjoyment > > and would continue to run them at will without fence or special > > insurance. > > > > The sad part is, if we don't fight it now, I can see the US shows moving > > in that direction in the next few years. All due to a bunch of > > do-gooders that think they know how to protect me and others better than > > we do ourselves. More bureaucratic BS if you ask me. > > > > As for Cape Canaveral, if I were STUPID enough to stand under the > > rockets to watch a launch, I guess I would deserve to be dead! As for > > engines, I don't think it is the same. It simply appalls me to think > > that our forefathers were so much more advanced than us that they could > > safely run these people killers without having to rope or fence them off > > or worry about insurance. Yes, accidents will and do happen. Let's > > deal with the problem of all the sue happy idiots out there instead of > > the symptom of some asshole attorney's and insurance rip offs stepping > > in and scaring us all away from our hobby! > > > > Gentlemen, get some courage and join Reg in the fight for your hobby. > > Reg, don't give up the battle as far as this Hoosier is concerned, you > > are on the right track! > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of peter > > ogborne > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:01 PM > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > Perhaps if i spell it out in big letters Chuck or could we liken it to > > going > > to Cape Canaveral to watch a rocket launch....don't think you could > > stand in > > the launch pad with out insurance! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chuck emsweller" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:35 AM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > So, let me understand this properly. You are trying to have an engine > > > show, but no one can enter unless they belong to your insurance or > > club? > > > Isn't that kind of an oxymoron? Or have I missed something here? > > > > > > Chuck Emsweller > > > Bessemer > > > Fairbanks > > > Caille > > > Hercules > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Adam > > > Cottrill > > > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 AM > > > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > > > > > > > Hi Reg and everyone, > > > Mate again you have raised in a round about way a > > > point ANYPERSON WHO DOES NOT HAVE A NHMA CARD (or equivilent as > > descibed > > > before) WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE ENGINE COMPOUND. > > > > > > ANYPERSON could be wife, girlfirend, kids, mistress, Queen, African > > > Jungle Queen, Amazon beauty you get the idea. Please tell me this is > > > sinking in????? To get around this please get your companions either > > to > > > join a NHMA club, seek private insurance or request it from the NHMA > > > rally otherwise im sorry they cant go in. I dont understand how this > > is > > > difficult? > > > > > > You want your family to join you in the hobby join them to the NHMA I > > > have my girl friend joined so she can be in the compound with me. > > > > > > Reg again I strongly suggest you come to the Rally as the Insurance > > > Company will be present in a tent and you can tell talk to them > > directly > > > about your concerns. > > > > > > The National Committee has (and is currently) been pro-active and is > > in > > > discussions with the NHMA and Insurance company to change several > > things > > > to the policy as it stands now to make it more family friendly for and > > I > > > and im sure everyone else agrees family is a big part of the hobby. > > > While we wait the outcomes of this I cant say anymore. > > > > > > Im opening a can of worms here with about what im about to say but "If > > > common sense is so COMMON how come not everyone has it?" the flip side > > > is the insurance fences and all the other stuff we must have. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Tue Sep 14 19:23:33 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:23:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: John Deere Model E References: <1c9.1e79ecb0.2e7462f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <200409142223330281.1701DE75@heavyiron.atis.net> Here is a note I received late last week. These folks are not on the list, so if you can help them you will need to contact them directly. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 9/11/2004 at 10:17 AM PSulli5032 at aol.com wrote: >We are looking for a copy of the John Deere Model E Engine manuel. Is >there >anyway you can help us... > >Thanks so much. Peggy Sullivan, Port Lavaca, Texas > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 19:36:03 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:36:03 -0600 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Reg, You've stirred up a hornets nest and did well at it. Seems there are problems in your country that could easily cross the pond. I don't know who you consider yourself unpopular with, but surely not I. From my understanding you are well respected on both sides of the pond, and your work to make change is something I respect. Keep at it mate. I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading tractors. Now I think I'll go look for a rocket launching so I can watch from right under the rocket. I've heard it's just the same as standing by an engine inside the fence. Wonder if I need sunglasses. Don't give it up Reg. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking > of > doing sneaky underhand things?) > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they > were > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules > are > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You > know > that! > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife > and > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you > inside > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in > there.. > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > if this were the case? > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise > the > full impact of what I am saying.) > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you > go > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > wont get any better on the road we are following. > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > am capable of giving. > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine > things. > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside > the > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things > are > going. > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > >> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, >> wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. >> >> Patrick M Livingstone > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 14 19:41:01 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:41:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that > the > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR > SALE > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that > wants > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as > soon as > I can unload this DOG! Hey Dave, I'll trade you a Turkish Mauser even for it. This Mauser is an extra special value, too, as most 8mm Mauser barrels have a groove diameter of only .323", but this one has a .339" bore. Most Mausers only shoot little bitty groups on targets, but this special big bore one'll cover a whole lot wider area without having to shift your aim. You'd be getting a real deal! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 19:50:27 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:50:27 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <003d01c49ace$c273dc90$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Well said Dave. Peter is a liberal. Taliban from his country should not be detained in GITMO in his opinion. Tall tree and short rope in my opinion. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter >> Well said Peter. >> Ron >>>take the example of the owner of that Case Steam >> > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. > > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." > Peter > must be a LIBERAL--they are the ones who make BS up to suit their > preconceived conclusions! > Dave > PS, Ron, Are you a LIBERAL also? > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Tue Sep 14 20:05:02 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 3:05:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <3a5h63$9c9i0r@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html > > Hi Rob, > Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 > HP Galloway. (See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.html) > Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in > the above.) > Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best > located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show > the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea > what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? > I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= > 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 > divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as > I can unload this DOG! > Dave Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 14 20:08:41 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:41 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed References: <013301c4979d$c0763b10$240110ac@PaulMaples> <0a2801c4979f$626fe0f0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <012001c49ad1$4f9bf600$240110ac@PaulMaples> Dave I am trying to fix up the old Laptop for the two grandsons I am raising, my new computer is working great. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Computer Help Needed >> Do you folks have any idea what could be wrong and what I can do to fix > it. >> Any help. advice, or recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Paul > > Hi Paul, I sure hope that you got a kiss with what you bought because it > sounds as if you got what usually goes with a kiss! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 14 20:09:38 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:09:38 -0700 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Guys, If I read the formula correctly, The area of a cyl is NOT 3.14x "D"[bore" ]but 3.14 x R SQD.[RXR] Plug in the #'s and see if you come closer to the advertised HP. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:50 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula From: "Rob Skinner" > > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html Hi Rob, Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 HP Galloway. (See: http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.ht ml) Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in the above.) Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as I can unload this DOG! Dave PS, A package should arrive for you and Kelley tomorrow! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Tue Sep 14 20:44:32 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <001301c49ad6$5076d360$8a63fea9@sweeper> Jeff The responses you get regarding the NHMA will be interesting. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > Reg, > > You've stirred up a hornets nest and did well at it. Seems there are > problems in your country that could easily cross the pond. I don't know who > you consider yourself unpopular with, but surely not I. From my > understanding you are well respected on both sides of the pond, and your > work to make change is something I respect. Keep at it mate. > > I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > tractors. > > Now I think I'll go look for a rocket launching so I can watch from right > under the rocket. I've heard it's just the same as standing by an engine > inside the fence. Wonder if I need sunglasses. > > Don't give it up Reg. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking > > of > > doing sneaky underhand things?) > > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they > > were > > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules > > are > > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You > > know > > that! > > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife > > and > > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you > > inside > > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in > > there.. > > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > > if this were the case? > > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise > > the > > full impact of what I am saying.) > > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you > > go > > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > > wont get any better on the road we are following. > > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > > am capable of giving. > > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine > > things. > > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside > > the > > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things > > are > > going. > > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > > >> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > >> wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 14 21:24:56 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:24:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address Message-ID: <009001c49adb$f683e1d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Ted's e-mail address, I need to contact him. Thanks. Paul From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 14 21:30:19 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:30:19 +1000 Subject: [SEL] FW: Buffalo Pitts - 1882 Message-ID: <200409150430.i8F4ULep033308@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Anyone interested? Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ _____ From: yvan evrard [mailto:yvan.evrard at tiscali.be] Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2004 8:32 AM Dear Sirs, We are owner a Buffalo Pitts Tractor of 1882, probably the first of the serial producted, in very good state and still working and would like to sell it. If you are interested of if you could find a serious person interested, please contact us. We are located in Belgium - Europe. Thanks a lot for your reply. Best regards. From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 14 22:00:25 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:00:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <007401c49ae0$ea0eb240$c51117d1@net.telenet.net> >From what I have read in the reports about the outfit, I think NHMA must stand for National Handlers and Minders ASSociated, or Never Handle Machinery Anyone. Sure doesn't sound like any US groups except maybe GreenPeace or the National Socialists Party. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > Reg, > > You've stirred up a hornets nest and did well at it. Seems there are > problems in your country that could easily cross the pond. I don't know who > you consider yourself unpopular with, but surely not I. From my > understanding you are well respected on both sides of the pond, and your > work to make change is something I respect. Keep at it mate. > > I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > tractors. > > Now I think I'll go look for a rocket launching so I can watch from right > under the rocket. I've heard it's just the same as standing by an engine > inside the fence. Wonder if I need sunglasses. > > Don't give it up Reg. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > SEDITION!!@!! The NHMA will shoot you for this ! > > "Do you realise that this attitude, nay, statement even, could negate the > > insurance for the whole event?? (Oh, woe is us!! The sheep are thinking > > of > > doing sneaky underhand things?) > > Dont ever forget that my club tried to get me thrown out for allowing a > > blind man to come in and feel/see my models! No one ever asked if they > > were > > running!!! Well, as things were, that never entered the argument. Rules > > are > > rules, and dont you ever forget it!! > > Common sense aint ever been a strong point with any ruling bodies. You > > know > > that! > > Here is another example to think on. If you are an exhibitor , your wife > > and > > children who are with you at the event are NOT allowed to be with you > > inside > > the wire! They have to have their own individual insurance to be in > > there.. > > This sure changes things for a happy family weekend away! > > Can you imagine what would happen to Portland, and similar US and UK shows > > if this were the case? > > (Those of you who have never had the Portland experience cannot realise > > the > > full impact of what I am saying.) > > I know I stated I had said enough on this but, It is this direction we are > > following that is killing the hobby for a lot of people. How long can you > > go > > to events with your family and have to leave and exclude them once there? > > The attitude of "But thats the rules" is why we are at this stage. And it > > wont get any better on the road we are following. > > It will take a lot more effort and time to attempt to change things than I > > am capable of giving. > > I dont want to make myself more unpopular than I already am for being > > outspoken on a subject I feel strongly on. > > I dont attend anywhere near as many events as I used to. > > There are events I show at, where I CAN invite people in to examine > > things. > > Where a simple rope or bunting IS acceptable. Where families sit inside > > the > > rope under a canopy and enjoy a weekend away together. > > These are the ones I give preference to. They are insured as well! > > Having had this one last speak out, I shall not mention or comment on it > > again. My engine years left are now too few to fret over the way things > > are > > going. > > Subject closed as far as I am concerned. What will be, will be. > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Patrick M Livingstone" > > To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:55 PM > > Subject: RE: [SEL] re National Rally > > > > > >> There are "THE RULES" and then there are 'the rules' (nudge, nudge, wink, > >> wink) and somewhere in between lies common sense. > >> > >> Patrick M Livingstone > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 14 22:10:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:10:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: <009001c49adb$f683e1d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001601c49ae2$41ec2d20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> On his web site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:24 PM Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > Can someone send me Ted's e-mail address, I need to contact him. Thanks. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Sep 14 22:03:48 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:03:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <3a5h63$9c9i0r@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <200409150503.i8F53qep048187@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up > with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need > some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA JB, Try to go easy on the guy. He's a sociology professor, you know. He's a product of a LIBERAL arts education, so it is NOT HIS FAULT that he doesn't understand math. Rob From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 14 22:19:31 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 01:19:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409140526.i8E5Qiep077863@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><018f01c49abd$fe310b60$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <008601c49ae3$94fa45a0$c51117d1@net.telenet.net> Hey John, You got one of the special scattergun versions too, GEE I thought I was the only lucky one... I did find an ALL numbers matching DANZIG 1916 stamped GEW 98 even has good headspace !!!! Not a turk though, I found it locally hanging on the wall in a bar as DECORATION, swapped the owner for a nice clean Turk. Only things missing are the rear sling mount and the cleaning rod. Steve Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula > > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that > > the > > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR > > SALE > > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that > > wants > > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as > > soon as > > I can unload this DOG! > > Hey Dave, I'll trade you a Turkish Mauser even for it. This Mauser is > an extra special value, too, as most 8mm Mauser barrels have a groove > diameter of only .323", but this one has a .339" bore. Most Mausers > only shoot little bitty groups on targets, but this special big bore > one'll cover a whole lot wider area without having to shift your aim. > You'd be getting a real deal! > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Sep 15 02:37:59 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:37:59 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> Just so that all of you who are descending to the level of personal abuse know that THE FLAMEMISTRESS is watching you, I thought I'd just add a comment or two to this. First, the Medina accident. For full details, go to http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/safety/medina.html which also includes a link to the official report. Interestingly, when I put the query into Google, that page by Paul Pavlinovich came up first, and the second was a comment by our own Reg Ingold, in the digests of this list! At the time, the steam engine wasn't in a fenced compound, so in that particular case, fences didn't make any difference at all to the level of injuries. Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political leanings) I believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. All these restrictions seem to do is reduce the freedom and pleasure we get, and take away some of the need to think. If there's a fence around the engines, there's no need for people to tell their children not to touch the moving parts. If they ever come across a real working engine, unfenced, how are they to know to keep back a safe distance? Rules are no substitute for common sense, but they do take away a lot of the need for such a thing so, in a way, rules actually increase the potential for stupid behaviour. This applies not just to engine shows but to many areas of life. We, as a company in the construction industry, spend far too much time and money on health and safety - consultancies, qualifications, risk assessments etc etc. None of which proves better than our long-term safety record that we can do a job well and safely, but if you do all that stuff right and have an accident you must be able to blame someone else for it! You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my opinion. Dolly peter ogborne wrote: > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > bloody long way back . -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 05:00:31 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:00:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation should this occur. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > Just so that all of you who are descending to the level of personal abuse know > that THE FLAMEMISTRESS is watching you, I thought I'd just add a comment or two > to this. > > First, the Medina accident. For full details, go to > http://www.steamengine.com.au/misc/safety/medina.html which also includes a link > to the official report. Interestingly, when I put the query into Google, that > page by Paul Pavlinovich came up first, and the second was a comment by our own > Reg Ingold, in the digests of this list! > At the time, the steam engine wasn't in a fenced compound, so in that particular > case, fences didn't make any difference at all to the level of injuries. > > Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political leanings) I > believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. All these > restrictions seem to do is reduce the freedom and pleasure we get, and take away > some of the need to think. If there's a fence around the engines, there's no > need for people to tell their children not to touch the moving parts. If they > ever come across a real working engine, unfenced, how are they to know to keep > back a safe distance? > Rules are no substitute for common sense, but they do take away a lot of the > need for such a thing so, in a way, rules actually increase the potential for > stupid behaviour. This applies not just to engine shows but to many areas of > life. We, as a company in the construction industry, spend far too much time > and money on health and safety - consultancies, qualifications, risk assessments > etc etc. None of which proves better than our long-term safety record that we > can do a job well and safely, but if you do all that stuff right and have an > accident you must be able to blame someone else for it! > > You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my opinion. > > Dolly > > peter ogborne wrote: > > > Unfortunately if we want to attend shows we have to abide by the rules. > > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. Just > > think how many more fatalities there would have been if there had been a big > > crowd around it in an unfenced compound . Yes i know that to make it safe > > and escape the results of that explosion the fence would have had to be a > > bloody long way back . > > -- > Jim French > fbi at insulate.co.uk > http://www.insulate.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Wed Sep 15 05:01:18 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:01:18 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> G'Day Chuck >Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. Now that you have told us what you know crap about, do you think you could follow up with something you may have knowledge about say ah engines, well that was the subject of the list. > The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. Crap, Judges not individuals decides who is responsible > It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. Crap, No one in Australia thinks our hobby is being slaughtered (well may be one), in fact every rally I have been to is bigger than the last, > But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Same Crap as above, I am happy to pay $12 for 12 months insurance, have not spoken to anyone that has a problem with the $12 well except for a few Yanks like yourself >Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. You are starting to ramble now > As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. Your right, just goes to show you we have people full of crap over here to, you need to do your homework a little more if you are talking to a Aussie, a liberal is on the other side of politics eg Right Wing. > Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. We sure will, you need to know that we Aussies are fun loving group of people that enjoy ourselves no matter where we are, our hobby is about people that we call mates, the insurance, bloody fences don't and will not get in the way of that. Sorry Dolly even after your be nice post I cannot help myself, this load of crap needed an answer, and I will except the flames Kerry PS. I class Reg as a true friend and agree with most he has said, I was his major supporter in his last little ruckest, but some of the posts from some of our American friends are way over the top PSS. have a great day Chuck and all the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 15 05:07:12 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:07:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <002201c49b1c$891d39c0$22680b42@gnarmstrong> Come on guys---Cut Dave some slack. He was using conservative math in his calculations. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Skinner To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: RE: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula >> Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up >> with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need >> some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. >> J.B. Castagnos >> Belle Rose, LA > >JB, >Try to go easy on the guy. He's a sociology professor, you know. >He's a product of a LIBERAL arts education, so it is NOT HIS FAULT >that he doesn't understand math. > >Rob > > > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:15:28 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:15:28 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <01ba01c49b1d$b0ab4df0$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Jim, 100% correct--and MY BAD! Using the CORRECT formula my "16 HP Galloway" is 15.27 IHP and between 12.2 and 13.43 BTHP (the rpm's SHOULD BE 240--NOT 225!) Using a divisor of 10,500 for the final calculation (even though it's a 4 cycle) provides a much closer estimation of what Galloway claimed for the engine. Perhaps I'll keep it after all! Dave > Hi Guys, > If I read the formula correctly, The area of a cyl is NOT 3.14x "D"[bore" > ]but 3.14 x R SQD.[RXR] Plug in the #'s and see if you come closer to the > advertised HP. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan > > Jim O'Hagan > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:50 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula > > From: "Rob Skinner" > > > Does anyone have the formula for figuring out HP handy? > > http://engines.rustyiron.com/rig/horsepower.html > > Hi Rob, > Thanks for this formula! Five years ago I bought what I thought was a 16 > HP Galloway. (See: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/rotigel/trailer/16_GallowayTrailer/index.ht > ml) > Even Ted Brookover thought it was a 16 HP (see the last several pictures in > the above.) > Now however (using your formula) I find that the engine that George Best > located for me 5 years ago is a 6.9 HP engine. I'll never be able to show > the engine again and think that I may just sell it. Do you have any idea > what a 6.9 (likely only a 6) HP Galloway is worth? > I arrived at the 6.9 HP by using your formula--8.25 (bore) X 3.14= > 25.905. 25.905 X 16 (the stroke)= 414.48. 414.48 X 225 (RPM)= 93,258. 93,258 > divided by 13,400= 6.959552238 HP. > I'm so ashamed! I've been telling people for the past 4 years that the > engine was a 16 HP. Now I know that I'm wrong. I intend to put a FOR SALE > sign on the engine at the show this weekend and the first person that wants > a 6 HP Galloway can have it. I'll be looking for a 16 HP Galloway as soon as > I can unload this DOG! > Dave > PS, A package should arrive for you and Kelley tomorrow! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:24:02 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:24:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409150503.i8F53qep048187@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <01c901c49b1e$e2babeb0$0400a8c0@Dave> > > Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, I came up > > with 14.35hp, not to bad for a generic formula. If you need > > some help figuring the area of the piston contact me off list. > > J.B. Castagnos > > Belle Rose, LA > JB, > Try to go easy on the guy. He's a sociology professor, you know. > He's a product of a LIBERAL arts education, so it is NOT HIS FAULT > that he doesn't understand math. > Rob Hi Both of you, YUP--math was NEVER my strong point--but I didn't think it was that bad either. I guess that math skills must be the second thing to go! Dave PS, It was philosophy--NOT sociology! PPS, If you figure the BTHP (and NOT the IHP--which is simply THEORY) then 14.35 becomes between 11.48 and 12.628 BTHP. (That's about 75% of what Galloway claimed the engine could produce!) From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:28:07 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:28:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <3a5h63$9c9i0r@mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <01f401c49b1f$74f289c0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Dave, what you should be ashamed of is your math, > J.B. Castagnos Hi J.B., The long and short of it is that I AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 05:39:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:39:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <002201c49b1c$891d39c0$22680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <023701c49b21$072d1e80$0400a8c0@Dave> > Come on guys---Cut Dave some slack. He was using conservative math in his > calculations. Geo. Hi Geo, NO, not "Conservative math" but simply a mistake. Unlike LIBERALS however (see: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/bush_guard_documents_040914.html) we on the right admit it when we make a mistake! Dave From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 05:44:13 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:44:13 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper> <018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <004f01c49b21$b5351f00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." >>>>>>> After this past Monday , will I now be able to buy a fully automatic hi-powered assault steamer of my own ? Chuck B From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 15 05:44:31 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:44:31 +0100 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <01ba01c49b1d$b0ab4df0$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <01ba01c49b1d$b0ab4df0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:15:28 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Jim, > 100% correct--and MY BAD! Using the CORRECT formula my "16 HP Galloway" >is 15.27 IHP and between 12.2 and 13.43 BTHP (the rpm's SHOULD BE 240--NOT >225!) Using a divisor of 10,500 for the final calculation (even though it's >a 4 cycle) provides a much closer estimation of what Galloway claimed for >the engine. Perhaps I'll keep it after all! > Dave > >> Hi Guys, >> If I read the formula correctly, The area of a cyl is NOT 3.14x > "D"[bore"]but 3.14 x R SQD.[RXR] Plug in the #'s and see if you come closer to the >> advertised HP. Cya, Jimmy O'Hagan >> >> Jim O'Hagan I haven't got Dave's Galloway cylinder dimensions handy to check his calculations, but it looks like the result is pretty close. The 3.14 should in truth be 3.142857 or 22 / 7, the value for pi. That small discrepancy won't make a huge difference but it's worth a mention. The Royal Automobile Club (RAC) formula would be interesting to apply to Dave's Galloway: bhp= (d X d) N / 2.5 OR 0.4 ( (d X d) N) Where d = cylinder diameter in inches, and N = number of cylinders. This was derived back in the early 1900's in the UK to provide a rating for tax purposes, and is estimated at 1000 rpm and a bmep of 67.2psi. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 05:45:36 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:45:36 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> Message-ID: <001101c49b21$e6188850$8a63fea9@sweeper> Well done Kerry. I am with you. Our shows seem to be getting bigger and more of them. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT > G'Day Chuck > > >Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in > Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. > > Now that you have told us what you know crap about, do you think you could > follow up with something you may have knowledge about say ah engines, well > that was the subject of the list. > > > The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals > accepted responsibility for their actions. > > Crap, Judges not individuals decides who is responsible > > > It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead > you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. > > Crap, No one in Australia thinks our hobby is being slaughtered (well may be > one), in fact every rally I have been to is bigger than the last, > > > But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue > to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. > > Same Crap as above, I am happy to pay $12 for 12 months insurance, have not > spoken to anyone that has a problem with the $12 well except for a few Yanks > like yourself > > >Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in > Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous > contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. > > You are starting to ramble now > > > As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious > that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to > hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. > > Your right, just goes to show you we have people full of crap over here to, > you need to do your homework a little more if you are talking to a Aussie, a > liberal is on the other side of politics eg Right Wing. > > > Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see > if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. > > We sure will, you need to know that we Aussies are fun loving group of > people that enjoy ourselves no matter where we are, our hobby is about > people that we call mates, the insurance, bloody fences don't and will not > get in the way of that. > > > Sorry Dolly even after your be nice post I cannot help myself, this load of > crap needed an answer, and I will except the flames > > Kerry > > PS. I class Reg as a true friend and agree with most he has said, I was his > major supporter in his last little ruckest, but some of the posts from some > of our American friends are way over the top > > PSS. have a great day Chuck and all the best > > Kerry Morris > Lithgow NSW OZ > > Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 > > Friends in Engines > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 05:49:57 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:49:57 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <20040914.220510.480.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <005701c49b22$818fe120$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the > engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the > engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the > engine. How would they have known the anchor-stay bolts were in some places down to 10 and 20 % of their original diameter ? That thing was held together with Bar's Leaks? and Gravity . From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 15 05:54:04 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:54:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address References: <009001c49adb$f683e1d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> <001601c49ae2$41ec2d20$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <006201c49b23$16502bd0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Jeff, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > On his web site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/brookover/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:24 PM > Subject: [SEL] Need Ted Brookover's E-mail Address > > >> Can someone send me Ted's e-mail address, I need to contact him. Thanks. >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Wed Sep 15 06:02:17 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:02:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <41483D59.30079250@insulate.co.uk> Ron, Down the track, no-one will remember or care. Does anyone know if there's been any litigation, successful or not, concerning the Medina accident? Incidently, we DO have insurance here in the UK via the National Vintage Tractor and Engine Club. I think it's ?15 a year for a family membership. At some shows, we do have to show our club card. At others, no-one asks for it and we're not required to have any fencing, although we usually take our own, in the form of stakes and two ropes. If anyone asks to see one of the engines close up, we've never had a problem with them coming "into the compound" for a look, and at least we do have some kind of barrier to inform the uneducated public of what is considered a safe distance. I much prefer the ropes to the more common plastic orange fencing which makes it difficult to take uncluttered pictures of the engines. Dolly Ron Page wrote: > Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation > should this occur. > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 15 06:09:32 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:09:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <20040914.220510.480.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41483F0C.000001.02088@NOTEBOOK> And the reason the cops stopped the engine??? Because the engine was low on water so the engineer was headed to the closest water supply and didn't take the time to lay his planks to cross the paved road!!!! Idiotic overzelous smartass cop thought he'd get a nice fine for that ticket. Marion Ohio, I was there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/14/04 23:16:01 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > There are STUPID people ,take the example of the owner of that Case Steam > Traction engine in the US . It exploded and took out a lot of people. = = = = = = = = = = The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the engine. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Sep 15 06:03:35 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:03:35 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <000201c49ac9$70814300$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> Message-ID: <008401c49b24$69c0fdc0$a86f29cb@oemcomputer> Thanks Kerry,I have been sitting here getting wilder and wilder about all the dumb ill informed crap that has been said.You have saved me from loosing it and saying things I may later regret.I am going to a show this weekend that will be fenced and under all the rules we have and I will have a great time. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:01 Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT > G'Day Chuck > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 15 06:24:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:24:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <41483D59.30079250@insulate.co.uk> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> <41483D59.30079250@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <4eggk0lum3d09rach19ng09q5d6u8dfmco@4ax.com> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 14:02:17 +0100, you wrote: >Ron, >Down the track, no-one will remember or care. Does anyone know if there's been >any litigation, successful or not, concerning the Medina accident? Can't find anything in a quick search, lots of copies of the findings etc., but presumably as the owner/driver was one of those killed, there is not a lot further to go? >Incidently, we DO have insurance here in the UK via the National Vintage Tractor >and Engine Club. I think it's ?15 a year for a family membership. At some >shows, we do have to show our club card. At others, no-one asks for it and >we're not required to have any fencing, although we usually take our own, in the >form of stakes and two ropes. If anyone asks to see one of the engines close >up, we've never had a problem with them coming "into the compound" for a look, >and at least we do have some kind of barrier to inform the uneducated public of >what is considered a safe distance. I much prefer the ropes to the more common >plastic orange fencing which makes it difficult to take uncluttered pictures of >the engines. We have a similar arrangement with Beds & Bucks Engine club, ?5million third party cover for engines etc at shows/rallies but excluding pressure vessels and any vehicle requiring licensing for road use. Included in the annual subs of ?10. >Dolly > >Ron Page wrote: > >> Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation >> should this occur. >> One of the Medina report precis is at:- http://www.aws.org/itrends/05-02/bulletin.html Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 06:48:52 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:48:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <20040915.095954.756.9.jlb94@juno.com> Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. = = = = = = = = = = I hope someone read this besides me. THanks Chuck. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 06:45:35 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:45:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Fwd: John Deere Model E Message-ID: <20040915.095954.756.8.jlb94@juno.com> Peggy - Have you tried the Gas Engine Supply houses ? Hit & Miss Enterprises - P.O. Box 157 - 4462 Montgomery Road - Orwell, OH 44076 Tel. 440-272-5335 Has a manual listed for the "E". Starbolt Engine Supplies - 3403 Buckeystown Pike - Adamstown, MD 21710 Tel. 301-874-2821 Also has a manual listed. On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:23:33 -0400 "Spencer Yost" writes: > Here is a note I received late last week. These folks are not on the > list, > so if you can help them you will need to contact them directly. > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > On 9/11/2004 at 10:17 AM PSulli5032 at aol.com > wrote: > > >We are looking for a copy of the John Deere Model E Engine manuel. > Is > >there > >anyway you can help us... > > > >Thanks so much. Peggy Sullivan, Port Lavaca, Texas > > > > > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 15 07:03:29 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:03:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula Message-ID: <001001c49b2c$c80a48c0$1f690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, What really ticks me off is your decision to keep the engine. I was getting ready with an offer of some Enron stock if you would deliver the engine to Indiana , of course. Don't feel bad about the math error Dave, I had a professor in engineering that always said, "Those that can't do, teach and those that can't teach , pass out printed literature." He usually said this as he passed out a quiz. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] horsepower formula > >> Come on guys---Cut Dave some slack. He was using conservative math in his >> calculations. Geo. > >Hi Geo, > NO, not "Conservative math" but simply a mistake. Unlike LIBERALS >however (see: >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/bush_guard_documents_04091 4.html) we on the right admit it when we make a mistake! > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 07:04:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:04:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <20040915.101401.756.12.jlb94@juno.com> How would they have known the anchor-stay bolts were in some places down to 10 and 20 % of their original diameter ? That thing was held together with Bar's Leaks? and Gravity . = = = = = = = Beside the point - If the crown sheet hadn't went dry - It would've never happened. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 15 07:26:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:26:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <001001c49b2c$c80a48c0$1f690b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: <030701c49b2f$fa391670$0400a8c0@Dave> Don't feel bad about the math error Dave, I > had a professor in engineering that always said, "Those that can't do, teach > and those that can't teach , pass out printed literature." He usually said > this as he passed out a quiz. Geo. Hi Geo, I once heard about a professor who, when passing out a quiz, would say to the students "Now this is just one of my little Quizzes. Take my little Quizzie and hand it in in 10 minutes." Upon reading the quiz (which was 4 paragraphs long and required a 2 page response) a co-ed was once heard to exclaim "If this is an example of his 'little quizzie' I'd like to see his testies!" Dave From diesel at easynet.co.uk Wed Sep 15 07:27:21 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:27:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Ivan Message-ID: Just been catching up on the lunchtime news, looks like the south-eastern US is going to take another pasting real soon: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3655550.stm This is the BBC's website page on the hurricane, the track seems to be taking a big sweep across the south-eastern states and then north-eastwards. Hope you guys are well battened down and got all your engines packed away, we also hope that nobody gets hurt. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Wed Sep 15 07:59:16 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:59:16 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><002101c49ab5$87d27010$8a63fea9@sweeper><018601c49ab9$f3878a30$0400a8c0@Dave> <004f01c49b21$b5351f00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <004201c49b34$92ba3ce0$ab5c14d0@net.telenet.net> NOPE, you could have bought one anytime you wanted before Monday. Just pay the Federal transfer tax and about 8,000.00 or so and you can own any full auto you want as long as it was either imported before the '86 registration period, or was already in the country. As for a SEMI-Automatic, you could also buy any of them that you wanted as well. Just anything built between 1994 and 9/13/2004 could not have certain COSMETIC items that did nothing to the functionality of the rifle. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > > > NO! The steam engine that exploded DID NOT take "out a lot of people." > >>>>>>> > > After this past Monday , > will I now be able to buy a fully automatic hi-powered assault steamer of my > own ? > > Chuck B > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Wed Sep 15 09:22:52 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:22:52 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7021026E2@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>The only STUPID PEOPLE in that case were the Asshole Cops that pulled the engine over as it pulled into the show grounds. Thus, requiring the engineer to take care of "more important" duties than tending to the engine. >>>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>>jlb94 at juno.com Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? >From the steam guys. http://www.atis.net/steam-engine/digest/v02.n612 Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 15 12:11:28 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <002e01c49b1b$99f30780$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hi Folks, There's been a heap of discussion over the whole insurance issue. On all sides of the various ponds. Can anyone cite ANY cases of engine show (rally) litigation over owner/operator negligence? Is there ANY body of case law that the insurance companies can cite to provide a claims-basis for rates or for the need for extensive protective measures? Or is the entire thing a cooked up scam? See ya, Arnie PS - Facts please, hear-say ain't gonna advance the debate. PPS - If anyone plans to flame The Flame Mistress, PLEASE do it on list. That has great amusement potential. 8-))) Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation > should this occur. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim French" > > > > You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my > > opinion. > > Dolly From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 15 02:22:22 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:22:22 +1000 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> The HP formula I got out of a very early engine book was. (In inches) Bore x bore x stroke x RPM Divided by 18000 for a 4 cycle and 21000 for 2 cycle. It works out very close every time. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 15 05:31:21 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:31:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> < I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your country, > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > tractors. Jeff Jeff, The National Historic Machinery Association was formed, partly to try and give the old machinery movement a united voice when the government was all set to try and screw us on our right to sell OUR property to whoever we wanted to. I wont go into deep details except to say that the Govt suddenly saw a chance to pull some money off us. (If I want to sell something that might be 'antique', and I ask more than $350 for it, I am supposed to declare it to the taxman so he can move in and collect) A portion of the movement were worried about'Heritage' iron leaving the country. etc. So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. I dont know who actually did the organising but, from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to disagree with the direction we are headed. Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. Most dont care! But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the least bit involved. Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, of course) ETC. The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never heard of any wild insurance claim. All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we should be in a home for the braindead. It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the insurance companies more than the public. The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without having insurance. The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be dragged to court where You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a matter of course. (But it MIGHT just happen so........) The more I write, the more desponent I become. Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong with things as they are. The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in case!' But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. A lot out there have forgotten that this thread all started because I spoke up about the costs involved with the Nat Rally. I passed my concerns onto the organisers and reported to rhe list on what transpired. I have no intention of degading the event or the organisers. All the rest of what has followed is the airing of 'for and against' views on how things are in Oz. My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, and the hobby will follow its course. So, lets just go onto a new topic. We have beaten this one to death and solved nothing. I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in and maybe some good will come of it all. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From jbcast at charter.net Wed Sep 15 15:58:02 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:58:02 +0000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally Message-ID: <391s2r$979bk1@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> > It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the > insurance companies more than the public. > The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without > having insurance. > The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be > dragged to court where > You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a > matter of course. Most lawyers will tell you if there's no insurance involved you don't have a case. They feed off of insurance companies. By forcing you to by insurance they have job security. "It's not costing you, the insurance company is paying for it." J.B. Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From lfevans at pacbell.net Wed Sep 15 16:21:34 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:21:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw info wanted Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040915160136.031cdec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi...... A friend of mine is one of the directors of a small museum in northern California. They have a drag saw that was donated and I would like to get some information to help them with proper data for their records. Pictures can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ I could be wrong but it probably was sold by Montgomery Ward since stenciled on it is "Ward Sawyer No. 5000." It has a small water cooled two stroke engine with a Lunkenheimer carb and what appears to be a bracket for a Wico EK mag. Looking at some pictures of other saws I think this must have been made by either Wade or Vaughn for the retailer. If anyone can verify that it was sold by Montgomery Ward and who the maker was please let me know. Also I would be interested in knowing how large the blade would have been and approximate date of manufacture. Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 16:45:39 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:45:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Connecticut Fall Festival Message-ID: <001601c49b7e$1d102b40$b7b6f504@x8h7l9> The Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival is coming up on September 25 and 26. It will be held in Kent Connecticut as usual. I have two empty bedrooms if anyone could use a place to stay. http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 16:59:17 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:59:17 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <006701c49b80$03459ef0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Oh Reg, come on. In my time I have never seen the NHMA coerce any club to become affiliated. And as for your use of the word "rules". Well! I mentioned in an earlier email that the NHMA issues "guidelines" and these have to be read in conjunction with local council and state laws. This is due to the fact that these government laws vary from state to state and the NHMA would need to develop a document as big and as complex as the Tax Act.to cover them all. As far as I know there have been two issued 1) Safety Guidelines and 2) Tractor Guidelines. There was a third set of guidelines developed for the conduct of the National Rally however at the Henty National (you may have been there) the members voted for them to be Rules because it related to the NHMA event. The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without having insurance. You now as well as I do that if you want to put on a show in a public place the authories demand insurance cover of $10m before approval is granted and I have heard that in some areas $20m coverage is being asked for. It is not a mindset of a lot in the movement. It is a fact of life. It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the insurance companies more than the public. Like any insurance the insurer will outline their rules clearly and not so clearly to protect themselves as much as possible. Even your life insurance, house insurance, car insurance policies contain clauses for this purpose. I have played with and owned more engines than most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never heard of any wild insurance claim. Don't know about "wild" insurance claims however there have been claims 1) Campbelltown approximately 10 years ago and more recently out in SW NSW (our NHMA rep has been away so I cannot provide more details) The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be dragged to court where You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a matter of course. At least those associated with an Incorporated body like the NHMA or a seperately Incorporated club will be protected. While I disagree with some of your thougts as outlined above I can agree with your overall sentiments. I enjoy all the rallies I go to and from my observation they seem to be getting bigger and there are more of them. By comparison we have really cheap insurance costs because of the size of our organisation. There are a lot of organisations that have folded or cannot put on events because they could not afford the insurance premiums. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > < I am too new at this or perhaps not informed as I am not from your > country, > > but exactly what is the NHMA? Is it a government entity or what? My quick > > web search only pulled up an insane set of rules for loading and unloading > > tractors. > Jeff > > > > Jeff, The National Historic Machinery Association was formed, partly > to try and give the old > machinery movement a united voice when the government was all set to try > and screw us > on our right to sell OUR property to whoever we wanted to. I wont go into > deep details except to say that the Govt suddenly saw a chance to pull some > money off us. (If I want to sell something that might be 'antique', and I > ask more than $350 for it, I am supposed to declare it to the taxman so he > can move in and collect) > A portion of the movement were worried about'Heritage' iron leaving the > country. etc. > So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. > I dont know who actually did the organising but, > from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to > become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. > So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. > > I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to > disagree with the direction we are headed. > Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. > Most dont care! But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with > the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. > "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old > engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. > I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to > 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. > In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the > least bit involved. > Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, > of course) ETC. > The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! > > So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than > most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never > heard of any wild insurance claim. > > All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? > Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. > > If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we > should be in a home for the braindead. > > It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the > insurance companies more than the public. > The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without > having insurance. > The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be > dragged to court where > You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a > matter of course. > (But it MIGHT just happen so........) > > The more I write, the more desponent I become. > Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. > A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong > with things as they are. > The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in > case!' > > But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All > interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. > > A lot out there have forgotten that this thread all started because I spoke > up about the costs involved with the Nat Rally. > I passed my concerns onto the organisers and reported to rhe list on what > transpired. > I have no intention of degading the event or the organisers. > > All the rest of what has followed is the airing of 'for and against' views > on how things are in Oz. > > My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, > and the hobby will follow its course. > > So, lets just go onto a new topic. We have beaten this one to death and > solved nothing. > I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in > and maybe some good will come of it all. > > > > > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From page at velocitynet.com.au Wed Sep 15 17:05:14 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:05:14 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <391s2r$979bk1@mxip15a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <008301c49b80$d763d620$8a63fea9@sweeper> Obviously different in the US. Out in OZ you are likely to lose your assets if your don't have insurance to cover any outcome of litigation. Happened to a neighbour in my street. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > > > It is my view that the rules loaded on us are for the protection of the > > insurance companies more than the public. > > The mindset of a lot of the movement is that you cannot do ANYTHING without > > having insurance. > > The mindless fear that if you have ANY incident, you will automatically be > > dragged to court where > > You WILL have the shirt on your back and everything else taken from you as a > > matter of course. > Most lawyers will tell you if there's no insurance involved you don't have a case. They feed off of insurance companies. By forcing you to by insurance they have job security. "It's not costing you, the insurance company is paying for it." > J.B. Castagnos > Belle Rose, LA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Sep 15 17:07:21 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:07:21 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <89.15356467.2e7a3339@aol.com> In a message dated 9/15/2004 8:01:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, page at velocitynet.com.au writes: << Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation should this occur. >> That club where the Medina explosion occurred is now defunct after twenty years of shows due to not being able to get show insurance. They even went to Lloyds of London. Some of their members joined the club that my brother-n-law belongs to in Cleveland, Ohio. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Sep 15 17:15:29 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:15:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <90.4b88a122.2e7a3521@aol.com> In a message dated 9/15/2004 9:14:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: << Because the engine was low on water so the engineer was headed to the closest water supply and didn't take the time to lay his planks to cross the paved road!!!! >> Bob, >From what I have read and been told, the owner had just driven the engine from his farm up the road to the show. Did he loose all that water in the short drive? And if he was low on water, why did he inject it to cause the boiler to blow? Guess we will never know the answer to that question? Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kd5byb at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 17:23:51 2004 From: kd5byb at earthlink.net (Benjamin Hall) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Connecticut Fall Festival Message-ID: <21162254.1095294232139.JavaMail.root@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I have such fond memories of this show. Back in 1983, we went to this show in celebration of my 10th birthday (25 September). This show in Kent got me hooked on antique engines and led to a career in mechanical engineering... (BSME, UConn, '95) I'm glad this show is still going strong - just wish I was closer so I could attend. later, ben -----Original Message----- From: ED Sent: Sep 15, 2004 4:45 PM To: stationary-engine at oldengine.org, "stationary-engine at atis.net" Subject: Connecticut Fall Festival The Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival is coming up on September 25 and 26. It will be held in Kent Connecticut as usual. I have two empty bedrooms if anyone could use a place to stay. http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT --- >From the computer of Benjamin Hall. kd5byb at earthlink.net ATTENTION: Sender uses Earthlink Spamblocker. Please ignore spam warnings, I will get your reply. Thanks for your patience in getting this thing working properly. From solarrog at pacbell.net Wed Sep 15 18:06:27 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:06:27 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw info wanted References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040915160136.031cdec0@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07d201c49b89$652bca50$e6f1af40@solar> Yes Wards is correct, I have one also Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Evans" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:21 PM Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw info wanted > Hi...... > > A friend of mine is one of the directors of a small museum in northern > California. They have a drag saw that was donated and I would like to get > some information to help them with proper data for their records. Pictures > can be seen at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ > > I could be wrong but it probably was sold by Montgomery Ward since > stenciled on it is "Ward Sawyer No. 5000." It has a small water cooled two > stroke engine with a Lunkenheimer carb and what appears to be a bracket for > a Wico EK mag. Looking at some pictures of other saws I think this must > have been made by either Wade or Vaughn for the retailer. If anyone can > verify that it was sold by Montgomery Ward and who the maker was please let > me know. Also I would be interested in knowing how large the blade would > have been and approximate date of manufacture. > > Regards, > > Larry Evans > Arcadia, Southern California, USA > MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net > http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 15 18:08:41 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People Message-ID: <20040915.210849.712.2.jlb94@juno.com> Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? = = = = It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the event. Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam guy or not. I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. = = = By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. No Insurance Bullshit. It was one of the best I've attended. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jthall at worldnet.att.net Tue Sep 14 18:52:30 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:52:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> Message-ID: <00c201c49ac6$a9a23ac0$35e94c0c@pentium> I had a few minutes to tinker this evening and I think I spotted the problem. It appears the govenor is out of adjustment. I can't believe I hadn't notced it before. As best I can tell it is completely shutting off the butterfly. It doesn't appear to be moving the throttle a lot but when it closes the butterfly it is causing the 8 cycling I am seeing, or at least that's my current theory. John From johnculp at chartertn.net Wed Sep 15 19:05:12 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:05:12 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! Message-ID: I've had quite an interesting day today. Got up really early to take Jane for a same-day surgical procedure in the next city over (Kingsport), and spent the whole day either in the waiting room watching people or back in the room with her (as expected, sick as hell after anesthesia.) Finally got home with her, and the UPS truck was blocking the driveway. I could see that he had a box on the porch and was ringing the doorbell looking for a signature. I pushed the remote garage door opener, he finally saw us and I signed his computer. As we pulled in we saw that the big box said "Gibson." My wife, still sick, aroused enough to say in a rather accusatory tone "You didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, not me. That certainly is interesting, though. Wonder what it is?" As we went in, she said again "You really didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, wasn't me!" She said, "Maybe you have a secret admirer." "If they want to send me Gibsons, that's fine with me. Hmmm, I have entered a few guitar sweepstakes on the Web." My son came up from the basement in time to hear that. We went out on the porch and brought in the big box from the Gibson Guitar company. I opened the invoice on the outside first, and it said "Web contest winner." I couldn't stop laughing. Opened the big box and found a fancy archtop hard case with a Pete Townshend SJ-200 super jumbo acoustic inside! Also included are 10 sets of Gibson strings, a bag of Gibson picks, a fancy alligator leather Gibson strap, a sound hole humidifier, guitar polish of two sorts, string cleaner/conditioner and fretboard conditioner. Took me a bit to notice, but the guitar's also fitted with a pickup. No onboard preamp, just a basic piezo. The spec page says it's a Fishman picked out by P.T. Over on Harmony Central there's a blurb about it with Pete Townshend talking about it. Says he'd no sooner smash this guitar than he would his own right hand. It certainly is a pretty thing, and can be seen here: http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/J-200/ptsj-200.html It's got a wonderful sound and gobs of sustain. Smells new! Has a Pete Townshend signature inlaid in the fretboard, and he's also signed the label inside it. This is one sweet guitar! At an MSRP of $5198 it doesn't quite fit in with my cheap guitar collection, but then, free is pretty cheap! Now I'm going to be hearing murmurs of "Look at that great guitar! Too bad it belongs to THAT bozo!" John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From clemsweller at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 19:27:16 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:27:16 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <007501c49b1b$b666f700$c509a4cb@km> Message-ID: <000001c49b94$b798dc50$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Kerry, I am truly sorry if you think that my comments are over the top. It is a shame that you and many others don't see the larger picture of what is happening with the insurance and the freedoms that you are slowly but surely losing. Let's see if it's $12 per year in 10 years. Actually, if I understand some of the posts, it's $12 per person per year. Therefore, if you have a wife and 2 kids you wish to bring inside the compound, then you are already paying $48 per year. I beg your forgiveness if my zeal for my Engine hobby and my freedom offends you or anyone else on the list. However, I will reserve my right to express myself and my opinions. Yes, you too are entitled to yours. But I would think you could do better than debunking someone's ideas that differ from your own opinions as just being Crap. I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up and leave, did the Chief back off. Without you and I and the multitude of engine owners that volunteer our time, money and love for the hobby, there would be no engine shows! Allowing spectators to get a close look, touch, feel, even start an engine with assistance from the owner is a great way to expand our hobby. Why take that away? By the way, I did go out and start 6 engines and didn't even get hurt! Chuck 6, insurance 0! G'Day Kerry! Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:01 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT G'Day Chuck >Yes, it is this pacifist attitude that resulted in the gun-control laws in Australia as well. And, I think we can all agree what a failure that was. Now that you have told us what you know crap about, do you think you could follow up with something you may have knowledge about say ah engines, well that was the subject of the list. > The point you all seem to miss, is that it is time that individuals accepted responsibility for their actions. Crap, Judges not individuals decides who is responsible > It should not be up to the insurance companies or the government to lead you like a bunch of sheep to the slaughter of your hobby. Crap, No one in Australia thinks our hobby is being slaughtered (well may be one), in fact every rally I have been to is bigger than the last, > But, go ahead, pay your $12 fine/tax for insurance coverage and continue to enjoy your hobby as you watch it dwindle in attendance. Same Crap as above, I am happy to pay $12 for 12 months insurance, have not spoken to anyone that has a problem with the $12 well except for a few Yanks like yourself >Take that first step into the extinction of showing antique engines in Australia and when they come to have you turn in those dangerous contraptions, remember, it only started out as $12 for insurance. You are starting to ramble now > As for your reference to the Medina steam accident, it is rather obvious that you either don't know the full circumstances, or you only choose to hear and recant the parts that support your liberal belief. Your right, just goes to show you we have people full of crap over here to, you need to do your homework a little more if you are talking to a Aussie, a liberal is on the other side of politics eg Right Wing. > Enjoy your shows while you can! Think I'll go out in the garage and see if I can spin a couple of engines over and not hurt myself. We sure will, you need to know that we Aussies are fun loving group of people that enjoy ourselves no matter where we are, our hobby is about people that we call mates, the insurance, bloody fences don't and will not get in the way of that. Sorry Dolly even after your be nice post I cannot help myself, this load of crap needed an answer, and I will except the flames Kerry PS. I class Reg as a true friend and agree with most he has said, I was his major supporter in his last little ruckest, but some of the posts from some of our American friends are way over the top PSS. have a great day Chuck and all the best Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Sep 15 19:43:06 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:43:06 +1000 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net> <00c201c49ac6$a9a23ac0$35e94c0c@pentium> Message-ID: <003e01c49b96$e587d2e0$496f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi John.While ever you have that much advance on your ignition you will get 8 stroking affect.Cut it down to 5 deg or even les as long as the engine is not labouring.Also check you exhaust valve spring tension as if it is not strong enough it will cause 8 stroking as it may be sucked open and give lean mixture.This can be impercievable to the eye but does happen. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:52 Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte > I had a few minutes to tinker this evening and I think I spotted the > problem. It appears the govenor is out of adjustment. I can't believe I > hadn't notced it before. As best I can tell it is completely shutting off > the butterfly. It doesn't appear to be moving the throttle a lot but when it > closes the butterfly it is causing the 8 cycling I am seeing, or at least > that's my current theory. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 15 20:02:41 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:02:41 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: Message-ID: <001501c49b99$a223e720$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> John, Can't think of a better winner for the contest. No Portland, and Jane sick, you needed this. Ain't played in some time, and my only guitar is on loan to a neighbor kid right now. Saved em some money when she gets tired of it. Sweet looking guitar and looks much like the ones my buddy makes. Way out of my league. Got to see the only twelve string he ever made a while back. Intonation is still perfect after 25 years and the owner turned down a 15K offer for it. The archtop f-hole with the florentine cutout he made would bring tears to your eyes. I have some pictures if you want them contact me off list. The luthier playing his 12 string. Who did that Pete guy play with? Lame, but I had to do it. :-) Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! > I've had quite an interesting day today. Got up really early to take Jane > for a same-day surgical procedure in the next city over (Kingsport), and > spent the whole day either in the waiting room watching people or back in > the room with her (as expected, sick as hell after anesthesia.) Finally > got home with her, and the UPS truck was blocking the driveway. I could > see that he had a box on the porch and was ringing the doorbell looking > for a signature. I pushed the remote garage door opener, he finally saw us > and I signed his computer. As we pulled in we saw that the big box said > "Gibson." My wife, still sick, aroused enough to say in a rather > accusatory tone "You didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, not me. That > certainly is interesting, though. Wonder what it is?" As we went in, she > said again "You really didn't order a guitar, did you?" "No, wasn't me!" > She said, "Maybe you have a secret admirer." "If they want to send me > Gibsons, that's fine with me. Hmmm, I have entered a few guitar > sweepstakes on the Web." My son came up from the basement in time to hear > that. We went out on the porch and brought in the big box from the Gibson > Guitar company. I opened the invoice on the outside first, and it said > "Web contest winner." I couldn't stop laughing. Opened the big box and > found a fancy archtop hard case with a Pete Townshend SJ-200 super jumbo > acoustic inside! Also included are 10 sets of Gibson strings, a bag of > Gibson picks, a fancy alligator leather Gibson strap, a sound hole > humidifier, guitar polish of two sorts, string cleaner/conditioner and > fretboard conditioner. Took me a bit to notice, but the guitar's also > fitted with a pickup. No onboard preamp, just a basic piezo. The spec page > says it's a Fishman picked out by P.T. Over on Harmony Central there's a > blurb about it with Pete Townshend talking about it. Says he'd no sooner > smash this guitar than he would his own right hand. It certainly is a > pretty thing, and can be seen here: > http://montana.gibson.com/guitars/J-200/ptsj-200.html It's got a wonderful > sound and gobs of sustain. Smells new! Has a Pete Townshend signature > inlaid in the fretboard, and he's also signed the label inside it. This is > one sweet guitar! At an MSRP of $5198 it doesn't quite fit in with my > cheap guitar collection, but then, free is pretty cheap! > > Now I'm going to be hearing murmurs of "Look at that great guitar! Too bad > it belongs to THAT bozo!" > > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 15 20:42:47 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:42:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <000a01c49b9f$3cbde600$5e680b42@gnarmstrong> Arnie, I understand the Portland group has 3 cases of llitigation they are currently envolved in over butt-buggy incidents during shows. They are quite concerned over them I'm told by one of their directors. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter >Hi Folks, > >There's been a heap of discussion over the whole insurance issue. On all >sides of the various ponds. > >Can anyone cite ANY cases of engine show (rally) litigation over >owner/operator negligence? Is there ANY body of case law that the >insurance companies can cite to provide a claims-basis for rates or for >the need for extensive protective measures? > >Or is the entire thing a cooked up scam? > >See ya, Arnie > >PS - Facts please, hear-say ain't gonna advance the debate. > >PPS - If anyone plans to flame The Flame Mistress, PLEASE do it on list. >That has great amusement potential. 8-))) > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > >> Down the track it will be interesting to see the outcomes of any litigation >> should this occur. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Jim French" >> > >> > You may flame me direct at helen at insulate.co.uk if you don't like my >> > opinion. >> > Dolly >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dncetz at watchtv.net Wed Sep 15 20:58:32 2004 From: dncetz at watchtv.net (Doug Etzkorn) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:58:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] yes i want to subscription Message-ID: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 16 02:19:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:19:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] steve webre Message-ID: <01f801c49bce$50e6fca0$58111bd3@athlon> Please can you contact me off list? Your address that I have is not working. Thanks. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From bmvid at snet.net Thu Sep 16 04:32:33 2004 From: bmvid at snet.net (Mick DeMaria) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:32:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tobacco Valley Flywheelers Show, Haddam CT Message-ID: <414979D1.7010405@snet.net> The Tobacco Valley Flywheelers is having its annual Show at Haddam Meadows State Park in Haddam CT this weekend (Sept. 18th and 19th) if anyones interested. Its a nice show on the banks of the Connecticut River in southern CT with plenty of room to spread out. Hopefully the remains of Ivan will miss us. We'll be there rain or shine! Mick -- -- ----------------------- Mick DeMaria Rockfall, Connecticut ----------------------- From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 16 05:04:57 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <000001c49b94$b798dc50$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> References: <000001c49b94$b798dc50$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Message-ID: Hiya Chuck, DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief when he came to inspect. Sigh.... Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, chuck emsweller wrote: > I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows > within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just > aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this > control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts > besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As > a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. > Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State > law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine > shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on > these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. > This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our > response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open > canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but > where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up > and leave, did the Chief back off. From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 05:13:19 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:13:19 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: Message-ID: <4149835F.000001.01684@NOTEBOOK> Ya gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm with ya Arnie. I'm rushing to Menards to get my signs today. I'll post em at every flippin show I attend from now on. hMMMM maybe I'll just get four "NOT AN EXIT" signs and wait for "THE" question. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 08:00:12 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: RE: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT Hiya Chuck, DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief when he came to inspect. Sigh.... Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, chuck emsweller wrote: > I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows > within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just > aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this > control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts > besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As > a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. > Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State > law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine > shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on > these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. > This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our > response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open > canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but > where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up > and leave, did the Chief back off. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 16 05:21:33 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <000a01c49b9f$3cbde600$5e680b42@gnarmstrong> References: <000a01c49b9f$3cbde600$5e680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: Hi George, I would put those butt-buggy incidents in the same category as traffic accidents or thefts on the grounds. Those aren't related to the exhibits. Thanks for the input though. Portland has every right to be concerned about butt buggies. Despite their best efforts, they continue to be badly abused. And while I'm on that soapbox, let me vent on a related pet peeve. Fat isn't "handicapped." I continue to see "handicapped use" butt buggies being used by folks whose only problem is that they can't quit stuffing food into their pie hole. The most dramatic examples were at the Findlay Ohio show this August. There was one fella, mid to late 20's, had to weigh 500-700 lbs. His arm was a blur as he continued to feed. Think Jabba the Hut. The golf cart could not fully contain his bulk, fortunatly his driver was skinny. Then by way of contrast, there were a number of folks (both men and women), some I'm guessing former farmers, who appeared to have been badly injured at one time, as they were in obvious pain as they struggled to slowly walk the show grounds using canes, walkers, etc. But walk the grounds they did!! My hat's off to them! Too bad that Jabba the Hut probably didn't notice. See ya, Arnie On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > I understand the Portland group has 3 cases of llitigation they are > currently envolved in over butt-buggy incidents during shows. They are > quite concerned over them I'm told by one of their directors. Geo. From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 16 05:36:33 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:36:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] horsepower formula In-Reply-To: <030701c49b2f$fa391670$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <001001c49b2c$c80a48c0$1f690b42@gnarmstrong> <030701c49b2f$fa391670$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <414988D1.9060904@udata.com> Dave Rotigel wrote: > Don't feel bad about the math error Dave, I > > >>had a professor in engineering that always said, "Those that can't do, >> >> >teach > > >>and those that can't teach , pass out printed literature." He usually said >>this as he passed out a quiz. Geo. >> >> > >Hi Geo, > I once heard about a professor who, when passing out a quiz, would say >to the students "Now this is just one of my little Quizzes. Take my little >Quizzie and hand it in in 10 minutes." Upon reading the quiz (which was 4 >paragraphs long and required a 2 page response) a co-ed was once heard to >exclaim "If this is an example of his 'little quizzie' I'd like to see his >testies!" > Dave > > > So Dave did you show her??????????????????????????????????/ -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 16 05:55:42 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon> <003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: G'day Reg, On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. > I dont know who actually did the organising but, > from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to > become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. > So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. This is often a problem with many of organizations formed for good and noble purposes. There are often a handful of small minded piss-ants who are on power trips and want to organize "rules" to make things go their way. Our club had one and the folks at Badger in Wisconsin had a couple of beauts. Fortunatly, both clubs had folks who were willing to invest the time and emotional energy to rein in these nut cases. Not everyone is so fortunate. > I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to > disagree with the direction we are headed. And more importantly, share your views on what's wrong and what should be done to correct the situation. > Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. > Most dont care! AND THAT is the critical issue!! > But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with > the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. > "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old > engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. And, from my perspective, it won't stop at the shores of Oz either unless we stop it. > I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to > 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. > In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the > least bit involved. > Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, > of course) ETC. Call me a rebel, but I will ALWAYS give kids (and interested grownups) that opportunity. And I think Dave will always offer an attractive lady the opportunity to "push his button" when he has the 15 hp Domestic out to play. And if a rally organizer chooses to throw me off the grounds for such heretical behavior, so be it! > The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! Hell Reg, at the Lister-Petter rally I attended in England in 2002, they were quite clear in terms of the "message" the rally organizers wanted to convey to the punters. http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/lp/1.jpg > So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than > most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never > heard of any wild insurance claim. Nor have I. > All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? > Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. Ed Zaccary!! > If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we > should be in a home for the braindead. No, that's where the "rule makers" are coming from. > The more I write, the more desponent I become. > Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. > A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong > with things as they are. > The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in > case!' Keep the faith bro!! You ain't alone!! > But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All > interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. Hey Reggie, you just need to come the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave more often where interactions with the spectators can still take place. Who knows, you lot may even regain your freedom one day. 8-)) > My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, > and the hobby will follow its course. Yeah but.... If no one stands up and says the Emperor is butt naked and has a short ugly dick, you become a land of sheeple. Not a good thing. Fortunatly the whole notion of Tort Reform is growing more visible. Folks are coming to realize that two industries add nothing to society and, in fact, take quite a lot. Those industries are Trial Lawyers and Insurance Companies. Here in the US there are areas where there are no doctors because they can't afford the malpractice insurance. And the people who can't get medical attention are becoming more vocal. This problem will resolve itself favorably. But only if folks continue to point out the Emperor's "shortcomings." > I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in > and maybe some good will come of it all. Hear. Hear. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Sep 16 06:11:56 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:11:56 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ward drag saw Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7021029A6@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>Pictures can be seen at: >>http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/wardsaw/ Larry, In picture #7, just over the stamped letters and numbers, is that a core/casting/freeze plug? If so, it appears to have been installed from the inside? That's a beautiful chain wheel! Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 16 06:18:46 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:18:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: Message-ID: <001f01c49bef$b2b34a80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> You gotta be kidding me ! Thats a hell of a thing to come home from hospital to Better trade it for a really tight pre war Martin before you scratch it . Chuck Balyeat Mehicoway From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Thu Sep 16 06:21:30 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:21:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] J-200 Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7021029AD@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>>Now I'm going to be hearing murmurs of "Look at that great guitar! Too bad it belongs to THAT bozo!" >>>John C "Murmurs"? More like shrieks. Congratulations, John, and our best to Lady Jane. Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 16 06:27:24 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:27:24 -0400 Subject: [SEL] yes i want to subscription In-Reply-To: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> References: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Message-ID: <414994BC.3060500@udata.com> Doug Etzkorn wrote: Gday Doug, it is good to see you now on list with us. Hope you enjoy the ride up and down all the hills and countyside. Also tell us more about you, like where in Ahia do you live what Portland show is the best show in the world. and anything else you like.....8-) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 16 06:35:19 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:35:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <4149835F.000001.01684@NOTEBOOK> References: <4149835F.000001.01684@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <41499697.9020909@udata.com> Bob Jacobs wrote: >Ya gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >I'm with ya Arnie. I'm rushing to Menards to get my signs today. I'll post >em at every flippin show I attend from now on. > >hMMMM maybe I'll just get four "NOT AN EXIT" signs and wait for "THE" >question. > > > > > >Hiya Chuck, > > > >DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! > > > >I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and > >purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four > >open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief > >when he came to inspect. Sigh.... > > > >Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > > > >>I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows >> >> > > > >>within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just >> >> > > > >>aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this >> >> > > > >>control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts >> >> > > > >>besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As >> >> > > > >>a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. >> >> > > > >>Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State >> >> > > > >>law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine >> >> > > > >>shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on >> >> > > > >>these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. >> >> > > > >>This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our >> >> > > > >>response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open >> >> > > > >>canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but >> >> > > > >>where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up >> >> > > > >>and leave, did the Chief back off. >> >> Now now fellers, this sounds like you are trying to have some fun and a little rub of the grin, but at who's cost and what will the insurance companies think when they see this happening. ps what is the proper code for flying my flags over my porta tree??? and how many people do I insult with the Ahia flag and not the other 48 ( sorry Kal.) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 06:50:52 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:50:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT References: <41499697.9020909@udata.com> Message-ID: <41499A3C.000001.00372@NOTEBOOK> Now now fellers, this sounds like you are trying to have some fun and a little rub of the grin, but at who's cost and what will the insurance companies think when they see this happening. ps what is the proper code for flying my flags over my porta tree??? and how many people do I insult with the Ahia flag and not the other 48 ( sorry Kal.) -- C-ya Leroy Clark fun???? FUN???? Who wants to have fun. I don't know about anyone else but I collect this old iron simply because I like throwing my back out loading and unloading, I enjoy ripping the skin off my knuckles trying to get them rusty old bolts loose, I have an excess of funds that I simply have to waste away, I love my neighbors offering me the use of their lawnmowers simply because my doesn't sound "healthy" - (that taught me not to fire my maytag up at home LOL) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 07:08:27 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:08:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! Message-ID: <20040916.103126.620.7.jlb94@juno.com> Whoa !!! John !!! Did you actually win this guitar ? BIG CONGRATS !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 06:42:43 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:42:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] PRICELESS opportunity Message-ID: <20040916.103126.620.5.jlb94@juno.com> Arnie - Do I picture an Exit Sign on Dave's Canopy ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 16 07:45:19 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:45:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO Message-ID: <003301c49bfb$cd046390$a744e5d8@gary> Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 16 07:46:49 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:46:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: <20040916.103126.620.7.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <003a01c49bfc$011bcec0$a744e5d8@gary> Well, that's apparently what he told Lady Jane! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! > Whoa !!! John !!! > > Did you actually win this guitar ? > > BIG CONGRATS !!! > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Thu Sep 16 08:01:08 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:01:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] yes i want to subscription References: <002b01c49ba1$6eeb2280$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> <414994BC.3060500@udata.com> Message-ID: <4149AAB4.A794F3CF@insulate.co.uk> I thought I recognised that name in connection with the Portland show. Hi, Doug and welcome to the list. Hopefully you'll get to see why so many of us want to get together, and choose your show to do it! Dolly "Leroy C." wrote: > Doug Etzkorn wrote: > > Gday > Doug, it is good to see you now on list with us. Hope you enjoy the > ride up and down all the hills and countyside. Also tell us more about > you, like where in Ahia do you live what Portland show is the best show > in the world. and anything else you like.....8-) -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From stevebarr at ameritech.net Thu Sep 16 08:09:02 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:09:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures Message-ID: <20040916150902.28705.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> I finally got the pictures from the Gade Show up on the web. Here is the link: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Gade1.htm There are 6 pages of pictures. Enjoy. Steve ===== ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr stevebarr at ameritech.net ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Sep 16 05:09:33 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:09:33 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <03b101c49be6$07262420$0100a8c0@Portable> Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au From plb at iinet.net.au Thu Sep 16 05:10:04 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (R and E Freeman) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:10:04 +0800 Subject: [SEL] test Message-ID: <03ba01c49be6$199deca0$0100a8c0@Portable> From nick at holden1.net Thu Sep 16 10:20:08 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:20:08 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] test References: <03b101c49be6$07262420$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <4149CB48.000001.03220@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> its ok in the UK -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 18:09:18 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] test Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Thu Sep 16 12:34:25 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:34:25 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arne question Message-ID: <003901c49c24$2daec280$6e680b42@gnarmstrong> Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing work and the reason for the question. Geo. From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Thu Sep 16 14:03:15 2004 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:03:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO In-Reply-To: <003301c49bfb$cd046390$a744e5d8@gary> Message-ID: GARY I plan to be there to look around. Bill Calvert -----Original Message----- From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 AM To: SEL Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. Gary In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the USA, where both life and I move slowly. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From weirgrant at hotmail.com Thu Sep 16 14:52:06 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:52:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People? Message-ID: Hi Joe and all, I'm coming into this one a bit late... we are talking about the Medina incident arent we? While I am not officialy a "steam guy", I do enjoy observing the hobby and love steamers of all kinds. I do not want to get into a pissing contest either, although after eating two quarts of strawberry yogurt last night before bed I'm ready to challenge anyone this morning! :-). Seriously, click on the link below for an impressive report on the condition of the boiler made after the "accident". The report clearly shows a very worn/corroded boiler that should have never been fired in the condition it was in. I'm just as sickened by overly safety minded show organizers as anyone else but... I must admit to being rather disgusted with what appears to be a steam engine owners total disregard for the life and safety of others. It has been said that he was an experienced "steam guy". I wonder what his excuse would have been if he had lived? Truly a very sad day for all. http://www.doli.state.mn.us/boilerohio.html Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada >From: jlb94 at juno.com >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400 > >Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new >asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked >then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? >= = = = >It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the >event. > >Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the >Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. > >I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam >guy or not. >I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator >Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. >= = = >By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good >amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas >Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know >how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their >vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor >fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. >No Insurance Bullshit. >It was one of the best I've attended. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >jlb94 at juno.com >,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days >\/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." >(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft? SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From page at velocitynet.com.au Thu Sep 16 15:28:58 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:28:58 +1000 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> Arnie I don't know if you read my response to Reg's Email but if you did you would note some corrections to the mis-information being generated about the NHMA. Further, if I wasn't a leather skin old fella I would take offence at being called a small minded piss-ant. I was on the committee of the NHMA for four years. Those that are elected to the committee are volunteers, are nominated by their clubs and elected to the position years by members at the annual meeting. The term of office is only two years however, you can stay on if you are re-nominated and re-elected. Members are elected from all over Oz. Hence you tend to meet only once a year. What I find annoying is that nearly all the "critics" are fence sitters. These "critics" will not get off their bums get on the committee and do some work. It is quite easy really. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] re National Rally > G'day Reg, > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004, Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > So the NHMA was formed to give a bit of muscle to us splintered groups. > > I dont know who actually did the organising but, > > from these beginnings, it decided to organise insurance, coerced clubs to > > become affilliated, Made up rules on the running of events, etc.etc. > > So we are now at the stage of the game that you are witnessing. > > This is often a problem with many of organizations formed for good and > noble purposes. There are often a handful of small minded piss-ants > who are on power trips and want to organize "rules" to make things go > their way. Our club had one and the folks at Badger in Wisconsin had a > couple of beauts. Fortunatly, both clubs had folks who were willing to > invest the time and emotional energy to rein in these nut cases. Not > everyone is so fortunate. > > > I make no judgements on the way things have gone but, I reserve the right to > > disagree with the direction we are headed. > > And more importantly, share your views on what's wrong and what should be > done to correct the situation. > > > Some can see what is ahead. Others cannot grasp the broad picture. > > Most dont care! > > AND THAT is the critical issue!! > > > But, when it is too late, Like politics, we are stuck with > > the results of ignoring it and there is no going back. > > "Hey, but, its ONLY old engines, Just a hobby." Well, it may not stop at old > > engines! Or old cars, bikes, etc.etc. > > And, from my perspective, it won't stop at the shores of Oz either unless > we stop it. > > > I dont know what is coming but, there is not the enjoyment of being able to > > 'show' stuff up close as there was when I first started. > > In Oz, at any 'santioned' event, there is no chance of a visitor getting the > > least bit involved. > > Kids are no longer given the joy of starting an engine. (Under supervision, > > of course) ETC. > > Call me a rebel, but I will ALWAYS give kids (and interested grownups) > that opportunity. And I think Dave will always offer an attractive lady > the opportunity to "push his button" when he has the 15 hp Domestic out to > play. And if a rally organizer chooses to throw me off the grounds for > such heretical behavior, so be it! > > > The message projected is that this stuff is DANGEROUS! > > Hell Reg, at the Lister-Petter rally I attended in England in 2002, they > were quite clear in terms of the "message" the rally organizers wanted to > convey to the punters. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/arnie/yank2002/lp/1.jpg > > > So is crossing the road! I have played with and owned more engines than > > most, been to a lot of shows, seen the occasional stupid act, but never > > heard of any wild insurance claim. > > Nor have I. > > > All these rules are there for 'Our, and the spectators protection'? > > Make no mistake, this hobby has one of the lowest injury rate of any. > > Ed Zaccary!! > > > If we are as dangerous and stupid as the present 'rules' imply, Surely we > > should be in a home for the braindead. > > No, that's where the "rule makers" are coming from. > > > The more I write, the more desponent I become. > > Not with any one point but with the total overall picture. > > A lot think I am 'out of my tree' for even caring. They see nothing wrong > > with things as they are. > > The arguments are so logical. 'Of COURSE we must do it this way. Just in > > case!' > > Keep the faith bro!! You ain't alone!! > > > But, the good days of sharing up close with the public are gone. All > > interaction is over a barrier that is a lot more than a wire fence. > > Hey Reggie, you just need to come the Land of the Free and the Home > of the Brave more often where interactions with the spectators can still > take place. Who knows, you lot may even regain your freedom one day. 8-)) > > > My views, comments,etc. are just that. I dont claim to be right or wrong, > > and the hobby will follow its course. > > Yeah but.... If no one stands up and says the Emperor is butt naked and > has a short ugly dick, you become a land of sheeple. Not a good thing. > > Fortunatly the whole notion of Tort Reform is growing more visible. Folks > are coming to realize that two industries add nothing to society and, in > fact, take quite a lot. Those industries are Trial Lawyers and Insurance > Companies. Here in the US there are areas where there are no doctors > because they can't afford the malpractice insurance. And the people who > can't get medical attention are becoming more vocal. > > This problem will resolve itself favorably. But only if folks continue to > point out the Emperor's "shortcomings." > > > I have had my say, as have a lot of others. Some fresh air has been let in > > and maybe some good will come of it all. > > Hear. Hear. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Thu Sep 16 17:07:52 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Stupid People In-Reply-To: <20040915.210849.712.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040917000752.85287.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Not to get in a pissing match either but it was Operator's Error to allow himself to get Distracted. And yes I both own and operate a steamer. jlb94 at juno.com wrote: Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? = = = = It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the event. Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam guy or not. I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. = = = By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. No Insurance Bullshit. It was one of the best I've attended. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 16 17:08:48 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:08:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO References: Message-ID: <005201c49c4a$a1da5590$a744e5d8@gary> Hi Bill, Will you be there Fri or Sat. We will be there tomorrow, Fri. I am not displaying since I can't be there on Sat. I will be strolling around wearing a hat with an ATIS pin on it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > GARY > > > I plan to be there to look around. > > Bill Calvert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > > > Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest > Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than > just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is > probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. > > Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, > southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this > show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Sep 16 17:12:57 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:12:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! In-Reply-To: <001f01c49bef$b2b34a80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <001f01c49bef$b2b34a80$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <543192A6-083E-11D9-82BD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> It already occurred to me I could sell it to pay for a shiny new National Tricone with flowers engraved all over it, and still have some boot. But Jane has made it clear that I may not sell Pete's guitar. Guess I'll have to do as I'm told. It's amazing; whenever I play this I sound just like a deaf, dumb and blind kid. John On Sep 16, 2004, at 9:18 AM, wrote: > You gotta be kidding me ! > Thats a hell of a thing to come > home from hospital to > Better trade it for a really tight pre war Martin > before you scratch it . From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Sep 16 17:17:01 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:17:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] test In-Reply-To: <4149CB48.000001.03220@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> References: <03b101c49be6$07262420$0100a8c0@Portable> <4149CB48.000001.03220@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: Yes, his testies seem to be OK. On Sep 16, 2004, at 1:20 PM, nick wrote: > its ok in the UK > > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/16/04 18:09:18 > To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] test > > > > > Portable Line Boring > http://www.plb.iinet.net.au > plb at plb.iinet.net.au > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ._______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 17:25:21 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:25:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Message-ID: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 17:56:11 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:56:11 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People? References: Message-ID: <002401c49c51$205175b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Grant, Thanks for sharing this. I've read so many opinions on what happened at Medina, I didn't know what to believe. I think this report makes it quite clear for those that take the time to read it. Only thing I know about steam tractors is that they are a lot of fun to see and be around. Saw my first ones at Bird city this summer and not only saw them but got to ride on a couple. I was a little hesitant because of Medina. I checked them out while they were getting ready to run, and noticed the inspection tags on all of them. Felt much more at ease, and the drivers I talked with were very knowledgeable and competent. Can't wait for next years show. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Weir" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People? > > Hi Joe and all, > > I'm coming into this one a bit late... we are talking about the Medina > incident arent we? While I am not officialy a "steam guy", I do enjoy > observing the hobby and love steamers of all kinds. I do not want to get > into a pissing contest either, although after eating two quarts of > strawberry yogurt last night before bed I'm ready to challenge anyone this > morning! :-). Seriously, click on the link below for an impressive > report on the condition of the boiler made after the "accident". The > report clearly shows a very worn/corroded boiler that should have never > been fired in the condition it was in. I'm just as sickened by overly > safety minded show organizers as anyone else but... I must admit to being > rather disgusted with what appears to be a steam engine owners total > disregard for the life and safety of others. It has been said that he was > an experienced "steam guy". I wonder what his excuse would have been if > he had lived? Truly a very sad day for all. > > http://www.doli.state.mn.us/boilerohio.html > > Grant Weir > Saskatoon, SK. > Canada > >>From: jlb94 at juno.com >>Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >>To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>CC: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com >>Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People >>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:08:41 -0400 >> >>Excuse me? This clown was driving his cleated traction engine on new >>asphalt, tearing up a freshly paved road. He had been variously asked >>then told not to. But it's the "asshole cops" that are the stupid ones? >>= = = = >>It was my understanding that the road was to be resurfaced AFTER the >>event. >> >>Permission WAS obtained from the Twp. Sup. (or whatever) to drive the >>Traction Engine on the road to the Show Grounds. >> >>I don't care to get into a pissing match with anyone on the list - steam >>guy or not. >>I am totally convinced that this explosion was NOT caused by Operator >>Error - but rather- Operator Distraction. >>= = = >>By the way - I attended an Excellent Show this weekend in Ohio. Good >>amount of Steam Traction Engines - Lots of Gas Tractors - Lots of Gas >>Engines - No Ropes - No Fences - No Barriers - Everyone seemed to know >>how to line up and set up their exhibit to the rear or the side of their >>vehicles. Selling and buying was allowed in the show area. No exhibitor >>fee. No camping fee. Power hookups if needed. Fuel & water supplied. >>No Insurance Bullshit. >>It was one of the best I've attended. >> >>Joe "Pip" Betz said that. >>jlb94 at juno.com >>,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days >>\/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." >>(_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented > Microsoft? SmartScreen Technology. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Sep 16 17:56:48 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:56:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <028001c49c51$3622c970$fd6b7343@solar> cant do it, One a little nicer sold in the $700 range this week, Its just to close to say he is on drugs far eastern herbs maybe, For medicinal purposes of course, It looks like a nice motor except for the broken cooling fin. Ive seen alot of bad ones sell for $500 to $600. ebay 3840593261 Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:11:49 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:11:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 18:12:33 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:12:33 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <414A3A01.000001.01480@NOTEBOOK> Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From clemsweller at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:14:38 2004 From: clemsweller at earthlink.net (chuck emsweller) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:14:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT In-Reply-To: <41499697.9020909@udata.com> Message-ID: <001901c49c53$bb86aa80$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q> Great idea. I think I'll go get 4 of them tomorrow for this weekend show in New Point Indiana! Same county maybe the chief will be there and take the hint. Chuck Emsweller -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Leroy C. Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:35 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter OT Bob Jacobs wrote: >Ya gotta be kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >I'm with ya Arnie. I'm rushing to Menards to get my signs today. I'll post >em at every flippin show I attend from now on. > >hMMMM maybe I'll just get four "NOT AN EXIT" signs and wait for "THE" >question. > > > > > >Hiya Chuck, > > > >DAMN, you guys lost a PRICELESS opportunity here!! > > > >I would have run as fast as I could to the nearest hardware store and > >purchased one EXIT sign and three NO EXIT signs to hang from the four > >open sides of the canopy. Then just smile sweetly at the idiot Fire Chief > >when he came to inspect. Sigh.... > > > >Hell, I think I'll get the signs anyway just in case I get lucky!! > > > >See ya, Arnie > > > > > >>I am glad that you are able to continue to enjoy your engine shows >> >> > > > >>within the boundaries established by your controlling group! It just >> >> > > > >>aint my style! Unfortunately, we are seeing small pockets of this >> >> > > > >>control beginning in the US. I know a number of engine enthusiasts >> >> > > > >>besides myself that will quit going to shows with such restrictions. As >> >> > > > >>a matter of fact, we had a bit of a power struggle at a local show. >> >> > > > >>Seems a local Fire Chief opted to take his own interpretation of a State >> >> > > > >>law concerning large Tents to include shelters such as used at engine >> >> > > > >>shows. Seemed that we were to be required to place an exit sign on >> >> > > > >>these canopies we used to shelter ourselves during the heat of the day. >> >> > > > >>This was in case of a fire, any occupants would know how to escape. Our >> >> > > > >>response to him was that if they couldn't find their way out of an open >> >> > > > >>canopy, then they deserved to die. Yes, I know that is a bit harsh, but >> >> > > > >>where does it stop? Only when 20 engine owners threatened to pull up >> >> > > > >>and leave, did the Chief back off. >> >> Now now fellers, this sounds like you are trying to have some fun and a little rub of the grin, but at who's cost and what will the insurance companies think when they see this happening. ps what is the proper code for flying my flags over my porta tree??? and how many people do I insult with the Ahia flag and not the other 48 ( sorry Kal.) -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From solarrog at pacbell.net Thu Sep 16 18:24:52 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:24:52 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <414A3A01.000001.01480@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <032101c49c55$21bc5380$fd6b7343@solar> Bad BOB really bad Bob! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 18:26:43 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:26:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <032101c49c55$21bc5380$fd6b7343@solar> Message-ID: <414A3D53.000003.01480@NOTEBOOK> OK, go ahead and whip me, I deserve it!!! But I did get a really sweet 5hp Jumbo -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:21:59 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bad BOB really bad Bob! Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:45:02 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:45:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000a01c49c53$4fcf70b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <414A3A01.000001.01480@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <000801c49c57$f3a0dc70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Bob, That would make grown men cry Bob. Left them for scrap? Well, Arnies probably tickled. If it's old and an engine and you can find room you have to take it. If you don't have room you tell your buddies. Never leave it for scrap. I am trying to find a home for a free corn thresher at present. One taker for sure if the club can't take it. Have you been taking medication for this desease? If so, step away from the doctor and get back to abnormal. Almost want to use the initials. :-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 16 18:51:39 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:51:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <000801c49c57$f3a0dc70$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <414A432B.000001.02548@NOTEBOOK> I'm crying, believe me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid SOB -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:39:39 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, That would make grown men cry Bob. Left them for scrap? Well, Arnies probably tickled. If it's old and an engine and you can find room you have to take it. If you don't have room you tell your buddies. Never leave it for scrap. I am trying to find a home for a free corn thresher at present. One taker for sure if the club can't take it. Have you been taking medication for this desease? If so, step away from the doctor and get back to abnormal. Almost want to use the initials. :-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Out of my budget too. But makes me sick. Found three of those in a scrap yard a few years back, and left them there. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/16/04 21:07:54 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Bob, Not at all out of line for an upright like this. Wish I had one, but way out of my budget. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Ok gang, check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I could use a good fantasy) Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 18:59:04 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:59:04 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures References: <20040916150902.28705.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c49c59$e91e3570$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Steve, Thanks for the pictures. Saw my first Gade last month. One of the little horizontals and fell in love. I want one. Talked to the owner a bit and I guess they are great. This show was on asphault so he didn't run that engine. Said it dances to much unless in the dirt. Hope to see it at the upcoming local shows running. Two weekends in a row and ain't life grand. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures >I finally got the pictures from the Gade Show up on the web. Here is the > link: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/ShowReports/2004Gade1.htm > > There are 6 pages of pictures. Enjoy. > > Steve > > ===== > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Steve Barr N9NDE Downers Grove, IL > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr > stevebarr at ameritech.net > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jbcast at charter.net Thu Sep 16 19:06:16 2004 From: jbcast at charter.net (jbcast at charter.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 2:06:16 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Hurricane Ivan Message-ID: <391to2$9c58sp@mxip14a.cluster1.charter.net> > > Just been catching up on the lunchtime news, looks like the south-eastern US is > going to take another pasting real soon: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3655550.stm > > This is the BBC's website page on the hurricane, the track seems to be taking a > big sweep across the south-eastern states and then north-eastwards. > > Hope you guys are well battened down and got all your engines packed away, we > also hope that nobody gets hurt. > > Peter > We missed it Peter, had us worried for a while. They had been predicting a turn to the NE, but it didn't do it until the last minute. We had some wind gust but no rain. We're west of New orleans and north of Grand Isle, been seeing a steady stream of evacuees, going and coming. J.B.Castagnos Belle Rose, LA From old_iron at msn.com Thu Sep 16 09:15:24 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:15:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL: OT Anyone going to Racine Show?/Pitty Party Message-ID: Anyone going to the Racine WI Show this week end?? Bill and Bill III will be attend, again I have to work. Anyone have any good ideas on how to find a job?? I have sent resumes' out like crazy and not one response have even tried some of those services that charge you to get your resume noticed and still nothing. I just want a job that is Monday - Friday and pays about $25 to $30 K a year. Peg Pfeiffer From rskinner at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 16 21:36:41 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:36:41 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! In-Reply-To: <543192A6-083E-11D9-82BD-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > It already occurred to me I could sell it to pay for a shiny new > National Tricone with flowers engraved all over it, and still > have some boot. But Jane has made it clear that I may not > sell Pete's guitar. Guess I'll have to do as I'm told. > > It's amazing; whenever I play this I sound just like a deaf, > dumb and blind kid. Fret not, young man. Fret not... get it? Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Sniff... Anyway, did you look at the other items being offered by the joker with the $800 Maytag? You could sell your authentic Pete "Just Browsing the Pictures for Research" Townshend Gibson, buy one of these, and kick out the jams like the master himself. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13721&item=6118723693 From yostsw at atis.net Thu Sep 16 21:39:29 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:39:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Call for Portland pictures Message-ID: <200409170039290515.07AE6518@heavyiron.atis.net> Just a reminder - ATIS has an image depot that you can upload pictures to. I would really like to get some Portland pictures up there. To use the image depot, simply create an account, log in, then upload your pictures to the "incoming" folder. The incoming folder is hidden until you log in. http://www.antique-tractor.com/gallery/ Thanks Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 16 21:46:17 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:46:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <061c01c49c71$458ccf30$0400a8c0@Dave> > Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political leanings) I > believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. > Dolly Hi Dolly, Jim is to be complemented for allowing you to have an opinion on political issues! I dare say it's more than most of us would allow our wives. True, it's a dangerous sort of thing to start, but I believe it's OK so long as a wife's opinion is basically in line with that of her husband! Dave PS, You are a lucky girl to have a husband like Jim! From jthall at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 16 18:42:39 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:42:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte References: <3948se$7ot978@mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net><00c201c49ac6$a9a23ac0$35e94c0c@pentium> <003e01c49b96$e587d2e0$496f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006b01c49c57$9ea02640$95eb4c0c@pentium> Timing is on my list of things to troubleshoot again. But your thoughts on the exhaust valve are going to be checked first. It is a new spring, as are all the springs on the engine, but there just may be something wrong with the tension. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Edd Payne To: The SEL email discussion list Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte > Hi John.While ever you have that much advance on your ignition you will get > 8 stroking affect.Cut it down to 5 deg or even les as long as the engine is > not labouring.Also check you exhaust valve spring tension as if it is not > strong enough it will cause 8 stroking as it may be sucked open and give > lean mixture.This can be impercievable to the eye but does happen. > EDD PAYNE > PO BOX 364 GULGONG > New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 > 0263742387 > edsingns at winsoft.net.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hall" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:52 > Subject: Re: RE: [SEL] 8 cycling Witte > > > > I had a few minutes to tinker this evening and I think I spotted the > > problem. It appears the govenor is out of adjustment. I can't believe I > > hadn't notced it before. As best I can tell it is completely shutting off > > the butterfly. It doesn't appear to be moving the throttle a lot but when > it > > closes the butterfly it is causing the 8 cycling I am seeing, or at least > > that's my current theory. > > > > John > > From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Fri Sep 17 05:30:38 2004 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:30:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO In-Reply-To: <005201c49c4a$a1da5590$a744e5d8@gary> Message-ID: Gary I will be there Saturday only. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:09 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO Hi Bill, Will you be there Fri or Sat. We will be there tomorrow, Fri. I am not displaying since I can't be there on Sat. I will be strolling around wearing a hat with an ATIS pin on it. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:03 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > GARY > > > I plan to be there to look around. > > Bill Calvert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Epps [mailto:garyepps at fidnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 8:45 AM > To: SEL > Subject: [SEL] EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, MO > > > Is anyone going to the 43rd Annual Ozarks Steam Engine Assn. and Southwest > Missouri EDGE&TA Steam-O-Rama at Republic, Mo this weekend? It is more than > just steam. There will be engines and tractors there as well. It is > probably the best show in this area. It runs today through Sunday. > > Carol and I will be there tomorrow. Republic is located just west, > southwest of Springfield MO. on MO Hiway 60. Lots of good shade at this > show. If anyone will be there perhaps we can put names and faces together. > > Gary > In the Ozark Mountains of southern Missouri in the south central part of the > USA, where both life and I move slowly. > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 05:57:58 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question In-Reply-To: <003901c49c24$2daec280$6e680b42@gnarmstrong> References: <003901c49c24$2daec280$6e680b42@gnarmstrong> Message-ID: Hi George, There are two check balls where the gas line enters the fuel feeder. Both of mine were goo'ed in. Gumout & a few taps got them free. I can mail you a drawing of the area in question from a Bessemer catalog if that would help. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland > this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing > work and the reason for the question. Geo. From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 06:24:36 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] re National Rally In-Reply-To: <004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon> <004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Yep, I had read your reply. I think you may have mis-read my comments about the "handful of small minded piss-ants". I'm referring to those buggers whose "contribution" is not one of useful substance, but rather is one of exercising power over others to no useful purpose. In our club (and in the Badger organization) the piss ants were finally overruled by a membership who "got off their bums and got on the boards and committees" to make things right. Obviously, I'm not in Oz. If the "rules" being promulgated are useful, correct deficiencies, and in general improve the quality and reduce the costs of the rallys, then I would agree that thay are a "good thing" as Martha Stewart would say. If they do not correct deficiencies and improve the quality and reduce the costs of rallys, then I would say the "rules" serve the needs of the power mad ones who dream them up, and NOT the needs of the old engine hobby. Good luck with the NHMA. I sincerely hope that, if nothing else, this on-list discussion will provoke a number of the SEL members in Oz to get off their bums and get involved on the boards and committees and produce a set of "rules" that improve the lot of engine folk everywhere. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Ron Page wrote: > I don't know if you read my response to Reg's Email but if you did you would > note some corrections to the mis-information being generated about the NHMA. > > Further, if I wasn't a leather skin old fella I would take offence at being > called a small minded piss-ant. I was on the committee of the NHMA for four > years. Those that are elected to the committee are volunteers, are > nominated by their clubs and elected to the position years by members at the > annual meeting. The term of office is only two years however, you can stay > on if you are re-nominated and re-elected. Members are elected from all > over Oz. Hence you tend to meet only once a year. What I find annoying is > that nearly all the "critics" are fence sitters. These "critics" will not > get off their bums get on the committee and do some work. It is quite easy > really. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arnie Fero" > > > > This is often a problem with many of organizations formed for good and > > noble purposes. There are often a handful of small minded piss-ants > > who are on power trips and want to organize "rules" to make things go > > their way. Our club had one and the folks at Badger in Wisconsin had a > > couple of beauts. Fortunatly, both clubs had folks who were willing to > > invest the time and emotional energy to rein in these nut cases. Not > > everyone is so fortunate. From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Sep 17 06:19:19 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:19:19 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question Message-ID: <000401c49cb8$f1489d80$09690b42@gnarmstrong> Hi Arnie, A drawing would be quite helpfull. Thx. Geo -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question >Hi George, > >There are two check balls where the gas line enters the fuel feeder. Both >of mine were goo'ed in. Gumout & a few taps got them free. > >I can mail you a drawing of the area in question from a Bessemer catalog >if that would help. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland >> this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing >> work and the reason for the question. Geo. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Fri Sep 17 06:23:59 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:23:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter Message-ID: <001301c49cb9$97dad3c0$09690b42@gnarmstrong> Dave, Isn't ther another line in there about keeping them pregnant and barefoot??? Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rotigel To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter > >> Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political >leanings) I >> believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat stupidity. >> Dolly > > >Hi Dolly, > Jim is to be complemented for allowing you to have an opinion on >political issues! I dare say it's more than most of us would allow our >wives. True, it's a dangerous sort of thing to start, but I believe it's OK >so long as a wife's opinion is basically in line with that of her husband! > Dave >PS, You are a lucky girl to have a husband like Jim! > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 17 06:28:43 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:28:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re National Rally References: <200409101156.i8ABu1dm053438@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org><00c701c49797$9cc616a0$bc111bd3@athlon><003201c49acc$bf64d9c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><000401c49b69$8baa9460$58111bd3@athlon><004c01c49c3c$8f7ef710$8a63fea9@sweeper> Message-ID: <001601c49cba$40fae0d0$0400a8c0@Dave> > In our club (and in the Badger organization) the piss ants were finally > overruled by a membership who "got off their bums and got on the boards > and committees" to make things right. > See ya, Arnie Hi Arnie, Keep in mine that one particular "piss ant" was thoughtful enough of the club's needs to turn room temperature on us! Dave PS, When in a fight for control every little bit helps! From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 07:39:02 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Reg's New Letter In-Reply-To: <061c01c49c71$458ccf30$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <000001c498bc$5d3e63e0$5108040a@chuckvmzoexd2q><002801c49a4e$9ecfed90$45a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <41480D77.A33501F2@insulate.co.uk> <061c01c49c71$458ccf30$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Hi Folks, ROFLMAO!! Have you noticed how bold Dave gets when he knows that the SEL Flame Mistress is having troubles with dodgy email? 8-))))) See ya, Arnie PS - He's also been known to poke a hornet's nest with a stick to see if anyone is at home. PPS - This could be more fun than the new season of Survivor. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Dave Rotigel wrote: > > Secondly, in my opinion (which may or may not reflect my political > > leanings) I believe that no amount of laws and rules will EVER combat > > stupidity. > > Dolly > > Hi Dolly, > Jim is to be complemented for allowing you to have an opinion on > political issues! I dare say it's more than most of us would allow our > wives. True, it's a dangerous sort of thing to start, but I believe it's OK > so long as a wife's opinion is basically in line with that of her husband! > Dave > PS, You are a lucky girl to have a husband like Jim! > _______________________________________________ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 07:40:44 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 In-Reply-To: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> References: <414A2EF1.000003.03512@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Watch that auction. My guess is he gets his money. He'd probably have done better to wipe the dirt off first... Or to put an axe in it. 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Bob Jacobs wrote: > check this item out on EBay then tell me what drugs this seller is on (I > could use a good fantasy) From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 17 06:25:28 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:25:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard Message-ID: Neat ole photo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2270758461 Take care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 18:21:59 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:21:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 Message-ID: <20040917.112011.948.2.jlb94@juno.com> Upright Maytag - No where near my range - But - It will be interesting to see where this goes. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 18:17:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:17:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid People Message-ID: <20040917.112011.948.0.jlb94@juno.com> >Not to get in a pissing match either but it was Operator's Error to allow himself to get > >Distracted. And yes I both own and operate a steamer. Oh Yeah !!! You're going to tell 2 cops that just pulled you over that you can't be distracted at the moment. And - As for not checking out a boiler before firing it - - - I've been at shows where a Traction Engine was bought - hauled in from another state - filled with water - and fired. They were lucky to get a "visual inspection". This is something that seems to run in the blood of "steam barons". Either they feel they "know what they're doing" or they like living dangerously. And - I ain't the one to question their ability. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 16 18:18:46 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:18:46 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! Message-ID: <20040917.112011.948.1.jlb94@juno.com> >It's amazing; whenever I play this I sound just like a deaf, dumb and >blind kid. Sure play a mean pinball !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 17 08:22:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:22:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebay item 3840593261 References: <20040917.112011.948.2.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <007401c49cca$21563080$0400a8c0@Dave> > Upright Maytag - > No where near my range - But - It will be interesting to see where this > goes. > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe, I was going to bid, but could not figure out where the axe would go. Dave From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Sep 17 08:36:07 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Richard Nice New Way in that cement mixer.... Did you see Dave and Arnie posing in their younger lives??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20216&item=2270259569 Steve --- Richard Strobel wrote: Neat ole photo http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2270758461 Take care, RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 17 08:57:05 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard In-Reply-To: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Damn... I loved that hat... On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Steve Barr wrote: > Did you see Dave and Arnie posing in their younger lives??? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20216&item=2270259569 From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 10:14:46 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:14:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Watching a debate last PM over using elephant ivory parts for restoring antique musical instruments lead me to Mr Warther http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Warther.htm Some is ivory and some is ebony No lathe , and those wheels are true , a little cracked now , but round . http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Warther2a.jpg Chuck Balyeat So Tx From diesel at easynet.co.uk Fri Sep 17 12:19:55 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:19:55 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis Message-ID: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> We have acquired a decent low-voltage 300A DC supply, originally built by us for our PCB manufacturing factory but they are closing down so we nabbed it :-)) Reading various articles (including Bill Dickerson's) on the subject of electrolysis, I have a few questions:- 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part being cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? 2) How long does the solution last? 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot process? Tanks are not a problem, we have a number of plastic plating tanks being disposed of, so I should be able to nab one of them. We disposed of over 300kg of pure copper plating anodes today..... So, we have power, we have a tank and we can get solution, we just need some feedback from existing users to answer a few questions. Thanks, Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From stevebarr at ameritech.net Fri Sep 17 12:50:56 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] SEL: OT Anyone going to Racine Show?/Pitty Party In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040917195056.22859.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Peg I plan on being there this weekend. Steve --- William J Pfeiffer Sr wrote: Anyone going to the Racine WI Show this week end?? Bill and Bill III will be attend, again I have to work. Anyone have any good ideas on how to find a job?? I have sent resumes' out like crazy and not one response have even tried some of those services that charge you to get your resume noticed and still nothing. I just want a job that is Monday - Friday and pays about $25 to $30 K a year. Peg Pfeiffer From billalan at busynet.net Fri Sep 17 13:20:29 2004 From: billalan at busynet.net (Bill Herreid) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:20:29 -0500 Subject: [SEL] SEL: OT Anyone going to Racine Show?/Pitty Party In-Reply-To: <20040917195056.22859.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040917195056.22859.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414B470D.1050704@busynet.net> I also plan on being there, we have our spot already picked out. From the Cheddar Curtain - Bill Herreid From jd.kirkes at verizon.net Fri Sep 17 13:58:43 2004 From: jd.kirkes at verizon.net (Jim and Diane) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:58:43 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001901c49cf9$1e15c730$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Take a look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20199&item=2269825197 This postcard street scene shows lots of people including children, posing for the cameraman. I can see a sign in the background near the horse and wagon that reads: DAVE'S PLACE. There is a man walking across the street with an axe over his shoulder. The guy with axe is Dave when he was younger. Jim and Diane Kirkes Hemet, CA 92544 U.S.A. jd.kirkes at verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard > Damn... I loved that hat... > > On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Steve Barr wrote: > > > Did you see Dave and Arnie posing in their younger lives??? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20216&item=2270259569 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From weirgrant at hotmail.com Fri Sep 17 14:22:51 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:22:51 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance Message-ID: >Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid People > >And - As for not checking out a boiler before firing it - - - I've been >at shows where a Traction Engine was bought - hauled in from another >state - filled with water - and fired. >They were lucky to get a "visual inspection". This is something that >seems to run in the blood of "steam barons". Either they feel they "know >what they're doing" >or they like living dangerously. And - I ain't the one to question their >ability. > >Joe "Pip" Betz said that. Hi Joe and all, Let the pissing contest begin! :-) (I'm just kidding... :-) You know, if you are actually serious about folks running steamers at shows without any inspections (and I'm sure you are not) then we really are wasting our time discussing nasty insurance rates - we need MORE insurance! Seriously, if people actually are doing the things that you are suggesting they do, then I'd say that we should invest in quite a bit more insurance and write up a whole list of new rules while we're at it. Hang some signs too. It's little wonder why rates are so high when such things are taking place. As far as the "steam barons" go I must admit to being quite impressed with any I have met, at least as far as safety and responsibility goes. Since the Medina "accident" all the operators I have met are more than well aware of personal and public safety and are ready at the drop of a hat to discuss it. They are usually quite proud of their operating credentials and/or training. It may be different in other areas. As to not being the one to question their ability, I feel that you are dead wrong. You absolutely must. I'll sure stand up and do it - although I may be doing it over my shoulder while I am running like hell in the opposite direction. I would hope that everyone else would do the same. Steam boilers are not gas engines. A gas engine may fall apart while running and maybe even hurt someone, but if a boiler blows, well, I think we all know what happens. We're pretty lucky up here in the barren wastelands of western Canada. I've never seen a rope, sign, barrier, or even a suggestion that I stand back. Perhaps our time is a comin' but for the moment we are fairly hassle-free. So here's to being responsible for our own hides for once. If you get hurt at an engine show, you were probably getting too close and got yourself spanked. Do us all a favour and just go home and lick your wounds. Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Sep 17 14:24:29 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:24:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines/Whalehunting References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <000b01c49cfc$b7d55680$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Chuck, When you like carvings, I have an egg with carvings of whale hunting in the 17th century at Spitzbergen. You see images of the four wind directions, it's made around 1880 in the UK. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/whalehunting.jpg John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > Watching a debate last PM over using elephant ivory parts for restoring > antique > musical instruments lead me to Mr Warther > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/Warther.htm > > Some is ivory and some is ebony > No lathe , and those wheels are true , a little cracked now , but round . > http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Warther2a.jpg > > > > Chuck Balyeat > So Tx From pjp at steamengine.com.au Fri Sep 17 15:23:09 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 08:23:09 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification!] - could a day or rally pass be made available Message-ID: <414B63CD.9060507@steamengine.com.au> Hi Adam, Pleased to see someone from the committee speaking up - I hope you do not cop to much flack for it. Considering that a number of people are attending from OS and other non club members (eg. press photographers) why not offer a different type of 'visitor' entry which includes some form of associate membership to your club and the $12 insurance to allow compound entry. I'm sure if the option was widely known it would be taken up. If you were to include the information in the handouts to exhibitors and keep the passes & paperwork at the "office" then it would probably work pretty well. It would be worth taking this up with the NHMA themselves, and see if some sort of compound entry "day pass" or multi-day "rally pass" could be arranged within the current insurance agreement. The reason I ask is simple, but requires a little background: I am a member of Emerald & District and have NHMA coverage, but at the last national was exhibiting with Puffing Billy Railway so did not bother to bring my NHMA card as PB has its own insurance and I was covered under that. Unfortunately on the day the hosting club decided that meant we could be in our own compound but no other. The next day I found another club willing to sell me insurance (Sale Tractor) but I really had to work at finding it - Heyfield were not interested in helping at all. I may be attending Naracoorte, but if I do it will most likely be as a visitor rather than an exhibitor because I have two kids and I have to think about them - until they're old enough to be associates in my club and have their own insurance cards it curtails my rally going to a few local one day events because I cannot just take off for a long weekend abandoning everyone else. Paul -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SEL] Nat Rally Clarification! Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:57:05 +1000 From: Adam Cottrill Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Hi Everyone, Kind regards. Adam Cottrill 10th NHMA National Rally Safety Co-ordinator -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 15:42:33 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:42:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines/Whalehunting References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <000b01c49cfc$b7d55680$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <003a01c49d07$a0261a00$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Hi Chuck, > When you like carvings, I have an egg with carvings of whale hunting > in the 17th century at Spitzbergen. You see images of the four wind > directions, it's made around 1880 in the UK. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/whalehunting.jpg The original crucifix, that's really nice John . You got one with a Backus inverted Vee on it ? >From the tiny bit Ive seen here and there , you two have some really intersting tastes in decorating . Have you seen some of the photos on the Stack from that fellow with the 40hp Foos in the foyer with lots of steam gauges and lubricator manifolds paintings ? I gotta have at least one room done in Victorian Boiler Room . From fuller_johnson at yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 16:43:01 2004 From: fuller_johnson at yahoo.com (Fuller & Johnson) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 16:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Stupid People In-Reply-To: <20040917.112011.948.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <20040917234301.4167.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> There were THREE people riding on that engine who knew how to operate it when it was stopped. Someone should have been paying attention to that boiler. jlb94 at juno.com wrote: >Not to get in a pissing match either but it was Operator's Error to allow himself to get > >Distracted. And yes I both own and operate a steamer. Oh Yeah !!! You're going to tell 2 cops that just pulled you over that you can't be distracted at the moment. And - As for not checking out a boiler before firing it - - - I've been at shows where a Traction Engine was bought - hauled in from another state - filled with water - and fired. They were lucky to get a "visual inspection". This is something that seems to run in the blood of "steam barons". Either they feel they "know what they're doing" or they like living dangerously. And - I ain't the one to question their ability. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Cheers! NICK Visit the home of Fuller & Johnson engines on the web! "He who sees the other first already has half the victory." Erich Hartmann "Verloren ist nur, wer sich selbst aufgibt" Hans Rudel --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. From WinkAndGinger at aol.com Fri Sep 17 16:44:01 2004 From: WinkAndGinger at aol.com (WinkAndGinger at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:44:01 EDT Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard Message-ID: <1a5.2879607e.2e7cd0c1@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/2004 1:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jd.kirkes at verizon.net writes: > This postcard street scene shows lots of people including children, posing > for the cameraman. I can see a sign in the background near the horse and > wagon that reads: DAVE'S PLACE. There is a man walking across the street > with an axe over his shoulder. > > The guy with axe is Dave when he was younger. > > Jim and Diane Kirkes > Hi Jim, You think maybe that was a younger Dave looking for a Maytag? Wink & Ginger Thornton, Yucca Valley Ca., USA KG6TVW, KG6TVV Members of W.A.P.A, (Western Antique Power Associates) The older the violin....the sweeter the music! From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 17 17:05:29 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:05:29 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <00b801c49d13$35a6cd80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Peter, I only played with this a couple times last winter. So far I haven't had a need to try it again, but that will change soon. All my experiments have been in a five gallon bucket with a small battery charger. I don't think I ever got over 8 amps on the meter, and maybe not that high. For reference that was a Maytag gas tank bottom. My biggest problem was surface rust formed immediately even though I blew the parts off right away. There was quite a discussion on the list about this, and John Culp came up with sodium silicate. So as not to ramble the solution we use in the ultra sonic cleaner at work has this in it for rust prevention. It works, several weeks, and is paintable. I will use it on my next experiment. Now to your questions. > > 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part > being > cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? I found the distance from the object to the electrode was the biggest factor in the amount of current. Size didn't seem to make a difference. The number of electodes also seems to have an effect on current. My latest experiment has a piece of stretched sheet metal surrounding the inside of the entire bucket. Seems to work pretty good with that surface area. Have a few pictures if you want them. > > 2) How long does the solution last? Mine lasted for months. > > 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? Haven't done it yet. The water evaporated over the summer. Near as I can tell I have baking soda and iron in the bottom of the bucket. I'll save it for the roses next spring. Heard iron is great for them. > > 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot > process? It only takes a small amout of baking soda or whatever you use. Water level dropps, mix a little more in a gallon jug and top it off. That's the best I can do for you Peter. I will tell you it does work, but the parts have to be clean, no grease, etc. Here is a link you might check out. http://www.angelfire.com/tx/hotube/electro.html Have fun, and keep us posted on your experiences. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 17:00:30 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:00:30 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Doug Tallman's E-mai Address Message-ID: <00d301c49d12$84a4edf0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Can someone send me Doug Tallman's e-mail address, Thanks From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 17 17:08:44 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:08:44 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard References: <1a5.2879607e.2e7cd0c1@aol.com> Message-ID: <007c01c49d13$aa1d4180$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi Jim, > You think maybe that was a younger Dave looking for a Maytag? > Cranky Corliss From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 17 17:41:20 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:41:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Gade Show Pictures Message-ID: <20040917.204213.792.0.jlb94@juno.com> Thanks Steve, Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From snipe280 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 17 17:44:48 2004 From: snipe280 at yahoo.com (dusty erickson) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] New member Message-ID: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. Dusty Erickson --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 17 17:45:20 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:45:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! In-Reply-To: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <04C23FAC-090C-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Fret not, young man. > Fret not... get it? > Bwahahahahahaha!!!! > > Sniff... That's just it, I haven't been fretting, much, for a long time! It's really not a good slide guitar, but oh, does it sound awesome with ordinary fretted picking and strumming! So I'm working on that stuff, which I've so long neglected as I've worked on slide that I've mostly forgotten how! Got to work on being able to play it as it ought to be! I was working (among other things) on "Stormy Monday" this afternoon. Can't play it fluently yet, but man, do those jazzy chords sound sweet! The guys at the guitar shop today all agreed it was good karma, for Jane and me giving my young teacher Jason a new Johnson Tricone a few months ago. (About the same time as I registered for this thing, come to think of it.) Billy Crawford says that's "Guitarma." > Anyway, did you look at the other items being offered by the > joker with the $800 Maytag? You could sell your authentic > Pete "Just Browsing the Pictures for Research" Townshend > Gibson, buy one of these, and kick out the jams like the master > himself. I think I'll have to pass on that. Besides, Jane has sternly warned me that I'm not to sell the P.T. Gibson, and the kids are in full agreement. So I'm just going to have to learn to play it, like a mean pinball. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From edstoller at earthlink.net Fri Sep 17 17:59:09 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:59:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c601c49d1a$b62c8ce0$75f5f504@x8h7l9> Welcome aboard Dusty. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 17 18:24:15 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:24:15 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Neat ole photo postcard In-Reply-To: <001901c49cf9$1e15c730$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> <001901c49cf9$1e15c730$57bb2304@yourvp7x3s9ctm> Message-ID: <74824B38-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > The guy with axe is Dave when he was younger. He wasn't much younger. That picture was taken in 1892. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 17 18:38:45 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:38:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c49d20$3d08aeb0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Dusty, Welcome aboard and thanks. I think you created a great oxymoron. "Serious people involved in old engines." Realistically a bunch of reasonable sane people that are serious about our passion. Usefull input is always welcome, and useless input is quite common. Enjoy! Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be > a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old > engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 17 19:17:37 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:17:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040917.223633.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> Hi List I usually always receive my GEM by the middle of the month. Has everyone received their October Issue Yet ? Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Fri Sep 17 19:38:58 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:38:58 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member Message-ID: <20040917.224851.1176.1.jlb94@juno.com> Welcome aboard Dusty, Jump in anytime. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From rotigel at alltel.net Fri Sep 17 20:04:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:04:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: Message-ID: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Hi Joe and all, > You know, if you are actually serious about folks running steamers at > shows without any inspections (and I'm sure you are not) then we really are > wasting our time discussing nasty insurance rates - we need MORE insurance! > Grant Weir Hi Grant, At the time of the "accident" there was NO required inspection of boilers OR required certification (etc.) of steam operators in the state of Ohio. Additionally (I've been told) that the operator was a real SMACK OFF who didn't care about safety, rules, or much of anything else. Those that I've talked to (who knew the man) indicated that he got what he deserved. It's just too bad that he took a couple of fine police officers with him! Dave From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 17 19:43:50 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:43:50 -0700 Subject: [SEL] New member In-Reply-To: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200409180243.i8I2hr6c017740@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. > Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious > people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful > input someday. Hey Dusty, Welcome to The List. You're right in that it's a great way to stay in touch with other engine folks. But you don't want to get too serious; you'll get premature wrinkles. On another note, are you gonna head out for the National next month? Rob From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 17 19:20:05 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:20:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member In-Reply-To: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <414B9B55.80408@scrtc.com> Dusty, Good to have you on the SEL. I've chatted with you in the past and remember seeing some very nice M&W engines that you had. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY dusty erickson wrote: >Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > >Dusty Erickson > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 17 18:22:13 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:22:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines In-Reply-To: <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> I salvaged the ivory and ebony off of a trashed 100+ year old piano a while back. On Sep 17, 2004, at 1:14 PM, wrote: > > Watching a debate last PM over using elephant ivory parts for > restoring > antique > musical instruments l John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sat Sep 18 00:42:15 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:42:15 +0200 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c49d53$0507cc20$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Dusty, Welcome aboard, one more way to chat with you. Here a close-up of that French oiler you asking for last night. http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/Frenchoiler.jpg As told you before, will do my best in hunting oilers next Sep. 25th. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Sep 18 01:04:33 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:04:33 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses In-Reply-To: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who replied on and off-list, the information has been really useful, especially the personal experiences with different electrodes etc. I have condensed the replies here for brevity: The stainless steel electrode question seems to be significant, and Orrin's use of Graphite looks to be a good way of going if the cost is not too high for coninued usage. I do remember the discussion about Chomates on the Lists, and will steer away from that method. Power requirements seem to be very modest, with pretty much any small DC supply being suitable, and current draw depending more on distance between the anodes and objects being descaled than almost anything else. Electrolyte seems to last well, only water loss through electrolytic breakdown and evaporation being noted. Disposal of the remaining electrolyte looks to be fairly easy, I have checked with our own local water authority and there is no problem with just soda solution as long as any metallic solids have been taken out. Paint and grease removal surprised me a little, but I assume that the electrolysis gets at rust underneath these deposits and loosens them off, rather than the solution/process getting at them directly? Speed of rust formation after rust removal has been quoted as a problem, and Sodium Silicate mentioned as a solution. More information on this would be appreciated. Craig Matthews made the following comment: "One note, make sure there is no other metals in the solution besides cast iron, steel or sheet metal, brass, copper, aluminum and babbit will stop the process and make a mess (from experience) " That is a bit ambiguous :-)) I read the intended text as: "Nothing but Cast Iron or Steel" ? If not, could Craig correct the punctuation so it reads "right" please? Andy Nicholson used a 28V supply, running at about 6amps on his setup, and Bill Dickerson's trailer chassis example on his website used an 80V welder power source, so voltage is not too critical. Use of excessive current just warms up the solution and causes more gassing, with no apparent increase in the rust removal rate. I think that covers most of the points made. Thanks again guys, if there are any more items that we need to know about, please let us know. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From jthall at worldnet.att.net Sat Sep 18 04:30:05 2004 From: jthall at worldnet.att.net (John Hall) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:30:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Roxboro NC show postponed Message-ID: <00a001c49d72$d9801920$0dd24c0c@pentium> The Roxboro NC show has been postponed until next Sat. and Sun. due to Ivan. John Hall From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 05:14:11 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 07:14:11 -0500 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003501c49d79$02f375d0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Welcome aboard Dusty, hang around long enough and you will have the answers to all of the questions you ever wanted to know in life about anything. I still remember the early hours of the morning when you and your friend came by the house and picked up the Blackstone, I cannot remember the name of your friend but sure would like to see what he has gotten done on the engine. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be > a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old > engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sat Sep 18 05:25:31 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:25:31 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner Message-ID: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> Today, MSTEC had an invitational rally and dinner open to the local clubs. The first part of the day the public were allowed in and it operated as a normal rally. After the public had gone home it was possible to get up close and personal with the steam engines and stationary engines if you cared to ask. There were some special machines on display and the fixed display sheds have come a long way since I was last at the site. There was no entry fee although a donation was requested in the form of a large barrel with a sign on it. It was an excellent day, with an opportunity for unusual photos of night running. The club put on a fantastic spit roast dinner including desert for only $7. Congratulations to the club for the magnificent day out. I'll put up a picture album on my site shortly. I met several members from the various lists I'm a member of, and while I won't name names I was pleased to meet them all and put faces to names. Particularly the newly wed 72 year old lady engineer and her 93 year old husband. I've met people less lively that these two in their 20's! Paul -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From plb at iinet.net.au Fri Sep 17 22:41:18 2004 From: plb at iinet.net.au (Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:41:18 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? You mob up there are looking down the barrel at the end of your hobby as you know it.Stand up for yourselves against these rules and regulations.Next you will have to have insurance and fences. (and after that you will have your firearms confiscated) Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > Hi Grant, > At the time of the "accident" there was NO required inspection of > boilers OR required certification (etc.) of steam operators in the state of > Ohio. Additionally (I've been told) that the operator was a real SMACK OFF > who didn't care about safety, rules, or much of anything else. Those that > I've talked to (who knew the man) indicated that he got what he deserved. > It's just too bad that he took a couple of fine police officers with him! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Sat Sep 18 07:00:19 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:00:19 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM In-Reply-To: <20040917.223633.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040917.223633.1176.0.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <414C3F73.8000606@scrtc.com> Joe, Mine arrived on the 15th and is usually here by the 10th. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY jlb94 at juno.com wrote: > Hi List > I usually always receive my GEM by the middle of the month. > Has everyone received their October Issue Yet ? > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Vivas1993 at aol.com Sat Sep 18 07:06:02 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:06:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <141.3427457e.2e7d9aca@aol.com> Hi Joe, Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. Mine is usually here between the 10th & 12th of the month. Dwight Vivas Petersburg, VA. From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 07:32:38 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:32:38 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> I salvaged the ivory and ebony off of a trashed 100+ year old piano a > while back. >>>>> That did cross my mind . Are Piano keys laminated ? Wanna see a print of a Stirling powered player piano ? Chuck Balyeat From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 08:04:15 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:04:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <008e01c49d90$c3d0a9a0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Power requirements seem to be very modest, with pretty much any small DC supply > being suitable, and current draw depending more on distance between the anodes > and objects being descaled than almost anything else. Size does matter , the bigger the anode the higher the amps of because more surface area on the part will be actively cleaning . Using bolts and chain and the like for anodes works in a hole , but you need many for the piston with rings you found under the adjcacent windmill , and all those connection is a drag I am a fan of the full circ. scrap sheet steel anode . have had good luck with expanded metal grating as well . But it is seldom free nor easy to bend around my part ............................................................................ ........................................................ > Paint and grease removal surprised me a little, but I assume that the > electrolysis gets at rust underneath these deposits and loosens them off, rather > than the solution/process getting at them directly? It will sorta , but doesnt want to , everything goes in the solvent tank first , and gets brushed and hosed off . Oil and grease are counter to conductivity , ask any transformer manufacturer . Thats how you mess up your carb dip acid as well , by sticking gunked up cyl heads and part after part of cosmoline packed WW2 army surplus harley parts . sorry dad . ............................................................................ ............................................... > "One note, make sure there is no other metals in the solution besides cast iron, > steel or sheet metal, brass, copper, aluminum and babbit will stop the process > and make a mess (from experience) " I m not sure what happened , havent had the same bad experience . Maybe it was the electrolyte used . Want to hear more ! ............................................................................ .................................................. > Andy Nicholson used a 28V supply, running at about 6amps on his setup, and Bill > Dickerson's trailer chassis example on his website used an 80V welder power > source, so voltage is not too critical. Use of excessive current just warms up > the solution and causes more gassing, with no apparent increase in the rust > removal rate. If you want to sink an entire 100 horse Hornsby , and all the guns from a sunken ship at the same time , then charger you nabbed would be just the ticket . How low is "low voltage " ? A 10a battery charger is enough to do a hopper cylinder on a 10 horse engine with a 3x3 ' anode . Chuck From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 18 09:30:11 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:30:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines In-Reply-To: <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <02EDAC5B-0990-11D9-AA59-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > Are Piano keys laminated ? They have a very thin strip of ivory glued onto a wooden key. As for the black keys, only the top part was ebony. Neither's been used for a long time. Plastics took over. And black stained or painted wood. The real ebony's not entirely black, either, and could be stained darker. > Wanna see a print of a Stirling powered player piano ? Wood eye?! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From lfevans at pacbell.net Sat Sep 18 10:07:00 2004 From: lfevans at pacbell.net (Larry Evans) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:07:00 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Work table Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040918095347.02fe1d08@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> Hi....... I recently made an enlarged auxiliary top for a hydraulic lift cart that makes servicing some of the smaller (2-4 h.p.) engines much easier as you can get them up to a comfortable working height. I wouldn't recommend running the engine on the cart but it sure beats crawling on your belly to work on mixers, fuel lines etc. Also good for doing thorough cleaning after the show season, draining fuel tanks and other similar tasks. Take a look at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/table/ Regards, Larry Evans Arcadia, Southern California, USA MailTo:LFEVANS at pacbell.net http://www.oldengine.org/members/levans/ From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 18 10:11:06 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 11:11:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] OT: WOO-HOO! References: <20040917.112011.948.1.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Congrats John!!! I'm 100 miles from Bozeman. later, RickinMt. From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Sep 18 10:54:31 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:54:31 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> 2) How long does the solution last? How long do you need it to last? All summer............. 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? Dump it on the lawn, I do. Watch for iron hating plants, however. Blue spruce might love it. 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot process? I've never needed to, but suspect one could. Just add more water, a bit more washing soda when it doesn't feel "soapy". I know, maybe that was just too technical........... Bill www.antique-engines.com (the old compuserve address SHOULD be gone - I insisted they remove it, and they are a pain in the A$$ to deal with. I quit paying last winter and they wouldn't take the site down. The electrolysis pages on compuslurve are OLD, not current) -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Peter A Forbes Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 2:20 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Cc: stationary-engine at oldengine.org Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis We have acquired a decent low-voltage 300A DC supply, originally built by us for our PCB manufacturing factory but they are closing down so we nabbed it :-)) Reading various articles (including Bill Dickerson's) on the subject of electrolysis, I have a few questions:- 1) How does the current requirement change with surface area of the part being cleaned? Linearly? Logarithmically? 2) How long does the solution last? 3) What disposal methods are used for spent solution? 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot process? Tanks are not a problem, we have a number of plastic plating tanks being disposed of, so I should be able to nab one of them. We disposed of over 300kg of pure copper plating anodes today..... So, we have power, we have a tank and we can get solution, we just need some feedback from existing users to answer a few questions. Thanks, Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 18 10:03:08 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:03:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <005e01c49da1$5f7c65a0$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines > I salvaged the ivory and ebony off of a trashed 100+ year old piano a > > while back. >>>>> > That did cross my mind . > Are Piano keys laminated ? > Wanna see a print of a Stirling powered player piano ? > Chuck Balyeat Hi Chuck, would that be http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/97029902uaNlQS by any chance. 8^) Dave Croft From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sat Sep 18 11:34:46 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:34:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <7rvok09cagitfkq7euc88nf4paehetn7j2@4ax.com> On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 12:54:31 -0500, you wrote: >www.antique-engines.com >(the old compuserve address SHOULD be gone - I insisted they remove it, and >they are a pain in the A$$ to deal with. I quit paying last winter and they >wouldn't take the site down. The electrolysis pages on compuslurve are OLD, >not current) I seem to remember we diverted the Oldengine.org address to that 'new' link a couple of years ago, so it is still there. If you can let me have current (no pun intended!) information/url's I'll change the menu on Oldengine immediately. Thanks for the other stuff as well... Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 18 11:39:45 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:39:45 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Electrolysis In-Reply-To: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> References: <00b401c49da8$8eadadf0$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <1CA734CA-09A2-11D9-8739-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > 4) Can the solution be topped up with more Soda or is it a one-shot > process? > > I've never needed to, but suspect one could. Just add more water, a > bit more > washing soda when it doesn't feel "soapy". Don't see why it would need to. the soda's not depleted in the process. Other than what's splashed or taken out with wet parts. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 12:13:20 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:13:20 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Ebony and Ivory engines References: <20040917153607.80452.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com><001a01c49cd9$d53d09c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net><2B564482-0911-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net><004901c49d8c$59777600$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <005e01c49da1$5f7c65a0$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: <002401c49db3$90302e40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> yup credit given where credit due > Hi Chuck, would that be http://community.webshots.com/photo/74826143/97029902uaNlQS From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 18 18:00:47 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:00:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <002601c49de4$19ac19b0$0400a8c0@Dave> > Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? > Ray Freeman Hi Ray, They have been in PA for as long as I can remember. I think they are now (after the "accident") in Ohio as well. I believe most states in the USA now call for yearly inspections of steam boilers used at shows. Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 18 18:08:02 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 20:08:02 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help Message-ID: <00b201c49de5$1e808fb0$240110ac@PaulMaples> I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. Paul From toadhill at aeroinc.net Fri Sep 17 06:22:00 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:22:00 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Fw: 10-20 Titan Tractor Message-ID: <002301c49cb9$5177b920$5bcc940c@mcness.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe & Jewel Maurer To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:30 AM Subject: 10-20 Titan Tractor Joe, Had a 1918 Titan tractor and it was a fun little showpiece. Doesn't take up much shed room and is fairly simple if you don't try to run it on kerosene. The exhaust has a unique "ping" sound if you have the original muffler. My ex-wife drove it through the show parades with no problems (the "ex" explains why I don't have the tractor today). The only problems I can remember were starting hard when hot and steering hard with the front skid rims on the wheels. That's one tractor I wish I had kept. Joe From bill at antique-engines.com Sat Sep 18 19:35:15 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:35:15 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance In-Reply-To: <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> Message-ID: <000601c49df1$4d11ae20$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> >>You mob up there are looking down the barrel at the end of your hobby as you know it.<< On the contrary, although I generally disagree with such rules and interference, it might just save the hobby as it will keep the insurance folks at bay. It's been required in many places here for a great many years and in most cases has made real professionals out of the steam operators. It makes one less afraid to be around them and insurance a tad cheaper, I'd suspect (although those insurance goons will do anything to be able to increase rates) It's certainly nothing new! Even folks who work with the steam boilers for building heat need to be certified and have their equipment inspected - so what's the diff? bill -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 12:41 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? You mob up there are looking down the barrel at the end of your hobby as you know it.Stand up for yourselves against these rules and regulations.Next you will have to have insurance and fences. (and after that you will have your firearms confiscated) Ray Freeman Portable Line Boring http://www.plb.iinet.net.au plb at plb.iinet.net.au > Hi Grant, > At the time of the "accident" there was NO required inspection of > boilers OR required certification (etc.) of steam operators in the > state of > Ohio. Additionally (I've been told) that the operator was a real SMACK > OFF who didn't care about safety, rules, or much of anything else. > Those that I've talked to (who knew the man) indicated that he got > what he deserved. It's just too bad that he took a couple of fine police officers with him! > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sat Sep 18 19:54:55 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:54:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance References: <000601c49df1$4d11ae20$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Message-ID: <011801c49df4$0b769b80$0400a8c0@Dave> > It makes one less afraid to be around them and insurance a tad cheaper, I'd > suspect (although those insurance goons will do anything to be able to > increase rates) > bill EDGE&TA insurance is the same (and has been so for some time) independent of your running a steam engine or a 1.5 HP Economy. Under $5.00 will buy you a years worth of insurance from them! Dave From jlb94 at juno.com Sat Sep 18 19:56:26 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:56:26 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Work table Message-ID: <20040918.225721.1240.11.jlb94@juno.com> Excellent job Larry, I sure could've used that when I was changing the gaskets in my Stover. And - When refinishing my Jaeger. What I do is get my ramp from the truck and pull the engines up onto the workbench. But then - The workbench is tied up as long as I have the engine on it. Great Idea !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 01:37:45 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:37:45 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance In-Reply-To: <002601c49de4$19ac19b0$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <01df01c49d2c$347262d0$0400a8c0@Dave> <016401c49d42$1f5b5c60$0100a8c0@Portable> <002601c49de4$19ac19b0$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:00:47 -0400, you wrote: >> Do you mean to say boiler inspections are now compulsary? >> Ray Freeman > >Hi Ray, > They have been in PA for as long as I can remember. I think they are now >(after the "accident") in Ohio as well. I believe most states in the USA now >call for yearly inspections of steam boilers used at shows. > Dave > As they have been on a bi-annual basis IIRC in the UK for as long as I can remember. The legislation over here is "Pressure Vessels" related, not just steam, and a visual and mechanical inspection has to be carried out with a certificate issued, before your insurance can be renewed. There's a bit on the subject for the USA at: http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/pressurevessels/ https://www.nationalboard.org/nationalboard/Default.aspx http://www.dllr.state.md.us/labor/boil.html UK Health & Safety Executive: www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg261.pdf http://www.hse.gov.uk/ Australia has had pressure vessel reg's since 1951.... http://www.ilo.org/public/english/protection/safework/cis/legosh/ausac/lx059177.htm Accidient database site: http://www.accidents-inspections.com/accidentdatabase/index.asp Standards Australia: http://www.standards.org.au/newsroom/tgs/2000-07/pressure/pressure.htm Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Sun Sep 19 00:19:42 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:19:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <019401c49e28$23a96140$14111bd3@athlon> Just got in from a show. Welcome aboard. Dont be put off by the chat, we are a good bunch mostly!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson From pjp at steamengine.com.au Sun Sep 19 03:32:07 2004 From: pjp at steamengine.com.au (Paul Pavlinovich) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:32:07 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: [coals] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner - album online now In-Reply-To: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> References: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <414D6027.7060103@steamengine.com.au> http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/mstec-night-2004/index.html Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > Today, MSTEC had an invitational rally and dinner open to the local > clubs. The first part of the day the public were allowed in and it > operated as a normal rally. -- pjp at steamengine.com.au Emerald, Victoria, Australia www.steamengine.com.au From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:04:46 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:04:46 EDT Subject: [SEL] Work table Message-ID: <1ed.2b372726.2e7f081e@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/2004 1:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lfevans at pacbell.net writes: << I recently made an enlarged auxiliary top for a hydraulic lift cart >> Hey Larry, Beautiful job on the lift work table! How do you get that much room in your work shop??? Mine just seems to have very narrow paths and in them things to stumble over! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:07:02 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:07:02 EDT Subject: [SEL] Stupid people and their insurance Message-ID: <1cd.2b73f2cd.2e7f08a6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/2004 9:04:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << I believe most states in the USA now call for yearly inspections of steam boilers used at shows >> Yes, that is true Dave and some states do not recognize other states inspections due to different criteria making it impossible to take your steam to other state shows unless inspected there also. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:19:50 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:19:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] New member Message-ID: <24.60fa7be2.2e7f0ba6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/17/2004 8:48:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, snipe280 at yahoo.com writes: << Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. >> Dusty, So you already think this bunch of people is serious?? Just wait a little while! Welcome aboard! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:21:41 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:21:41 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <19a.29dde2ef.2e7f0c15@aol.com> In a message dated 9/18/2004 10:10:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Vivas1993 at aol.com writes: << Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. >> None here either. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 09:27:49 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:27:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <00b201c49de5$1e808fb0$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. Bob Holtzer At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to >provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this >house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 >volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything >I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:28:15 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:28:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help Message-ID: <15a.3f9b8406.2e7f0d9f@aol.com> Paul, No meter I assume, so you are just going to hook the generator wires into the meter lugs with the existing wires that go to the breaker box panel? Do not see why that will not work. Why not make yourself a pigtail to hook into a dryer or stove outlet and feed back into the breaker box. I do this and can usually hook into anyone's home in emergencies. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 11:01:03 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> Message-ID: <007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> IF you use washing soda and not anything more caustic you shouldn't have problems with MOST other metals. DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes, (nasty toxic stuff results) Make sure you have the polarity correct, unless you like the pitted swiss cheese look !!!! DON'T swim in the tank !!!!! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 4:04 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses > Thanks to everyone who replied on and off-list, the information has been really > useful, especially the personal experiences with different electrodes etc. I > have condensed the replies here for brevity: > > The stainless steel electrode question seems to be significant, and Orrin's use > of Graphite looks to be a good way of going if the cost is not too high for > coninued usage. I do remember the discussion about Chomates on the Lists, and > will steer away from that method. > > Power requirements seem to be very modest, with pretty much any small DC supply > being suitable, and current draw depending more on distance between the anodes > and objects being descaled than almost anything else. > > Electrolyte seems to last well, only water loss through electrolytic breakdown > and evaporation being noted. > > Disposal of the remaining electrolyte looks to be fairly easy, I have checked > with our own local water authority and there is no problem with just soda > solution as long as any metallic solids have been taken out. > > Paint and grease removal surprised me a little, but I assume that the > electrolysis gets at rust underneath these deposits and loosens them off, rather > than the solution/process getting at them directly? > > Speed of rust formation after rust removal has been quoted as a problem, and > Sodium Silicate mentioned as a solution. More information on this would be > appreciated. > > Craig Matthews made the following comment: > > "One note, make sure there is no other metals in the solution besides cast iron, > steel or sheet metal, brass, copper, aluminum and babbit will stop the process > and make a mess (from experience) " > > That is a bit ambiguous :-)) I read the intended text as: "Nothing but Cast > Iron or Steel" ? If not, could Craig correct the punctuation so it reads > "right" please? > > Andy Nicholson used a 28V supply, running at about 6amps on his setup, and Bill > Dickerson's trailer chassis example on his website used an 80V welder power > source, so voltage is not too critical. Use of excessive current just warms up > the solution and causes more gassing, with no apparent increase in the rust > removal rate. > > I think that covers most of the points made. > > Thanks again guys, if there are any more items that we need to know about, > please let us know. > > Peter > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 11:34:54 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 19:34:54 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses In-Reply-To: <007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com> <007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:03 -0400, you wrote: >IF you use washing soda and not anything more caustic you shouldn't have >problems with MOST other metals. >DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes, (nasty toxic stuff >results) >Make sure you have the polarity correct, unless you like the pitted >swiss cheese look !!!! >DON'T swim in the tank !!!!! > > >Steve Thanks, Steve, I'll have to investigate the Stainless Steel problems, as we have a few guys who seem to use it without problem, while others warn of the Chromates issue. Graphite has come up as a preferred material, although more expensive than using rebar or other steel/iron materials. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 19 11:44:33 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:44:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c49e78$b6330e80$240110ac@PaulMaples> Hello Bob, This is a new home with NO electrical service to it right now. My son and his wife are suppose to move in at the end of this month and they are doing all of the painting and need lighting. The utility company has sent most of their people to Florida to work on storm damage and told me it may be two weeks or longer before they can run service to the house. I am just trying to get them enough power to run their lights so they can see to work on the home at night. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Holtzer" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response > to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing > wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local > power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the > local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. > > Bob Holtzer > > At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to >>provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this >>house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 >>volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything >>I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. >> >>Paul >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sun Sep 19 12:11:58 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:11:58 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <414DD9FE.000001.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Make sure you connect to the outlet side of the meter otherwise you will be paying the electric company for the power also nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/19/04 17:55:53 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. Bob Holtzer At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to >provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this >house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 >volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything >I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. > >Paul > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel . From dcox at triad.rr.com Sun Sep 19 13:10:02 2004 From: dcox at triad.rr.com (Dallas Cox) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Message-ID: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV show grounds http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 Dallas From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 13:20:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:20:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood In-Reply-To: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400, you wrote: >Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV >show grounds > >http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 > > >Dallas Hi Dallas: I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm missing something on the page? Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 13:33:48 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:33:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses References: <88amk0dvvarm8tiqs5188ticronmmh7a3g@4ax.com><007d01c49e72$a1da11a0$541117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <003501c49e88$09a0f1e0$a05c14d0@net.telenet.net> I think it has to do with the type of stainless as well as what is actually used as the solution. I wonder if using small blocks of graphite around the interior of the tank and connecting them using brass strap outside the tank (use brass screws and epoxy to attach the blocks to the tank) would be a feasible idea? I want to make up my next tank using something like a 4x8 foot platers plastic tank. Reinforce the exterior with a steel cage. Drill through and attach the electrodes on the inside with o-rings on the screws. Then attach them all together with strapping or heavy cable. Make a hanger over the top so that parts can be suspended easily. I would also have to put some type of heater on/in the tank so that it could be used year around though, since having it inside a shop area is a GUARANTEE that everything in there will rust.... Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Re: Electrolysis - Summary of Responses > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:01:03 -0400, you wrote: > > >IF you use washing soda and not anything more caustic you shouldn't have > >problems with MOST other metals. > >DO NOT use stainless steel for the electrodes, (nasty toxic stuff > >results) > >Make sure you have the polarity correct, unless you like the pitted > >swiss cheese look !!!! > >DON'T swim in the tank !!!!! > > > > > >Steve > > Thanks, Steve, > > I'll have to investigate the Stainless Steel problems, as we have a few guys who > seem to use it without problem, while others warn of the Chromates issue. > > Graphite has come up as a preferred material, although more expensive than using > rebar or other steel/iron materials. > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Sun Sep 19 13:40:03 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:40:03 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <000b01c49e88$d72714a0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Hi Peter, click the orange "View Photos" button and you get a slide show. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for > prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm missing > something on the page? > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 13:52:00 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:52:00 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <001601c49e8a$830ed7c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Click view as slideshow and you can see them. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sistersville Flood > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400, you wrote: > >>Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV >>show grounds >> >>http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 >> >> >>Dallas > > Hi Dallas: > > I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for > prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm > missing > something on the page? > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Sun Sep 19 13:53:18 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:53:18 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001601c49e8a$830ed7c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <414DF1BE.000001.01780@NOTEBOOK> Hmmmm, Did they furnish glass botom boats to view the show???? Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/19/04 16:46:34 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Click view as slideshow and you can see them. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A Forbes" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sistersville Flood > On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:10:02 -0400, you wrote: > >>Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV >>show grounds >> >>http://share.shutterfly com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 >> >> >>Dallas > > Hi Dallas: > > I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for > prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm > missing > something on the page? > > Peter > > -- > Peter & Rita Forbes > Email Address: > diesel at easynet.co.uk > Web Pages for Engine Preservation: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 19 13:45:36 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:45:36 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Message-ID: <20040919.165823.960.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dallas, Holly Cow !!! I heard they were flooded the week I was at Stumptown and figured it would dry out by the 17th. - - - Then came the rain from Ivan. Just Unbelievable !!! Thanks Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 19 13:50:14 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:50:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040919.165823.960.3.jlb94@juno.com> Judge Tommy Turner = Mine arrived on the 15th and is usually here by the 10th. Dwight Vivas = Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. Tom Schmutz = None here either. = = = = = = = = = Thanks Guys - Maybe I'm jumping the gun. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From fero_ah at city-net.com Sun Sep 19 14:05:44 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Re: Sistersville Flood In-Reply-To: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: Damn Dallas, We usually setup between that fence in the foreground and the pavilion in the background! If we had gone this year there would be no problem filling the hoppers or cooling tanks! http://shim1.shutterfly.com/procsserv/F-ANmzRyzZtWbLbqQU3hb-cA See ya, Arnie On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Dallas Cox wrote: > Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV > show grounds From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 13:59:06 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:59:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <000c01c49e78$b6330e80$240110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <004501c49e8b$80c42f00$a05c14d0@net.telenet.net> Usually on a site with no power and a 220 box you just hook up the two hot leads and the neutral to the box, then connect the ground to either the ground bus OR directly to the ground rod. Just buy the proper plug for the generator and hook it up OR if they had a large 220 outlet installed you should make a cable with that plug on the end and back feed it for now. Or if you plan on eventually installing a generator feed anyway (good idea even IF you think "I'll NEVER use it") In that case I would install a transfer panel between the meter and the main panel. In the last one I did I used a set of breakers and installed them both in the main panel. The right one was fed from the mains and the left was fed from a generator. Between them I installed a lockout plate. It allows one breaker room to trip off BUT not enough for both to be ON at the same time. Either way I would just hook it in until they get connected to the lines. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > Hello Bob, > > This is a new home with NO electrical service to it right now. My son and > his wife are suppose to move in at the end of this month and they are doing > all of the painting and need lighting. The utility company has sent most of > their people to Florida to work on storm damage and told me it may be two > weeks or longer before they can run service to the house. I am just trying > to get them enough power to run their lights so they can see to work on the > home at night. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert L. Holtzer" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > > > > Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate response > > to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of existing > > wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why no local > > power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice from the > > local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house protection. > > > > Bob Holtzer > > > > At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >>I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base to > >>provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to this > >>house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from the 240 > >>volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? Anything > >>I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. > >> > >>Paul > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>SEL mailing list > >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 19 13:59:33 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:59:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <414DD9FE.000001.02252@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <001001c49e8b$925fef60$240110ac@PaulMaples> No meter installed yet Nick so I don't have to worry about that but thanks for the advice. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 19 14:01:21 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:01:21 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood Message-ID: <20040919.170144.960.5.jlb94@juno.com> Hi Dallas, In responce to Peter's post. I can get the Slide Show - Pages of Thumbnails - Or - Individual pics. - - No problem. You must be missing something Peter. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 19 14:02:04 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:02:04 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood In-Reply-To: <000b01c49e88$d72714a0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <000b01c49e88$d72714a0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <9qsrk0ph40cd2mck5naljc0kfiuo4pccr7@4ax.com> On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:40:03 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Peter, click the orange "View Photos" button and you get >a slide show. > >John Hammink >Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. >jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > > >> I can get to a page of thumbnails but that only leads to an order page for >> prints. Can we get access to the pictures any other way? Maybe I'm missing >> something on the page? >> >> Peter Hi John: It wasn't that kind of problem, the thing just didn't work at all :-(( Anyway, I checked Zone Alarm and that wasn't stopping anything, then I tried Internet Explorer instead of Opera, and that got me a pop-up error screen about a scripting error, but at least I did get to see the slideshow! Thanks for the help and suggestions, and thanks to Dallas for the pictures. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Sun Sep 19 17:22:44 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:22:44 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere Message-ID: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Hi Folks, A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way through the lawn or about 30 minutes. Thanks, Duncan -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From oldengin at udata.com Sun Sep 19 15:31:43 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:31:43 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere In-Reply-To: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <414E08CF.7080907@udata.com> Duncan Denman wrote: >Hi Folks, > >A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because >he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, >it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will >start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug >is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any >thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or >maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way >through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > >Thanks, > >Duncan > > > Duncan, just a WAG but the governor does not sound to be set right. -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From rexhinz at chorus.net Sun Sep 19 15:45:04 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 17:45:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <414E08CF.7080907@udata.com> Message-ID: <000701c49e9a$6f264df0$2586a5d8@mycomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Duncan Denman wrote: > > >Hi Folks, > > > >A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > >he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > >it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > >start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. > > Duncan " My Huscavarna rider has the choke on the throttle lever , wide open is choke and after it starts I have to throttle back till I can feel a detent , I don't know how John Deere does it , Just a thought Rex Hinz > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From page at velocitynet.com.au Sun Sep 19 17:11:33 2004 From: page at velocitynet.com.au (Ron Page) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 10:11:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Re: [coals] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner - album online now References: <414C293B.1010108@steamengine.com.au> <414D6027.7060103@steamengine.com.au> Message-ID: <001901c49ea6$63534da0$8a63fea9@sweeper> Enjoyed the photos Paul. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pavlinovich" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [SEL] Re: [coals] Aus: Melbourne Steam Ivitational Rally and Dinner - album online now > http://www.steamengine.com.au/events/reports/mstec-night-2004/index.html > > Paul Pavlinovich wrote: > > > Today, MSTEC had an invitational rally and dinner open to the local > > clubs. The first part of the day the public were allowed in and it > > operated as a normal rally. > > -- > > pjp at steamengine.com.au > Emerald, Victoria, Australia > www.steamengine.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Sun Sep 19 17:48:47 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:48:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <04b201c49eab$96e4f4c0$a05c14d0@net.telenet.net> Could be the coil getting heated up and starting to break down. Easy way to test it IF you have a heat gun or powerful hair drier. Start it up and run it some then play the heat gun over the coil and see if it starts acting up when it gets hot. Could also be the carb getting hot and causing partial vapor lock, way to check that, use a small spray bottle of water OR a can of canned air (upside down) run it till it starts to act up then spray the carb, fuel line with the water/air. If it starts running better it is getting hot. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "ATIS Engine List" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Hi Folks, > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 17:51:07 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:51:07 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> Duncan, What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more than once?? Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "ATIS Engine List" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Hi Folks, > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > Thanks, > > Duncan > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Sun Sep 19 18:43:13 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:43:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> Message-ID: <002201c49eb3$31714d20$0400a8c0@Dave> > Here is a link to some pictures of the flooding at Sistersville, WV > show grounds > http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeANmzRyzZtWbLcA&sm=0&sl=0 > Dallas Hi Dallas, Was the show cancelled? Dave From johnculp at chartertn.net Sun Sep 19 20:16:38 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:16:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson Message-ID: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> (They're big.) http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson001.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson002.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson003.jpg http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson004.jpg John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From dncetz at watchtv.net Sun Sep 19 20:28:08 2004 From: dncetz at watchtv.net (Doug Etzkorn) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:28:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you Message-ID: <001a01c49ec1$d956aef0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Thank you for making me feel welcome to the Atis group. I hope I can add something to the list. If you have questions I will do my best to answer them as soon as I get a chance. My wife thanks the gentlemen from England and Scotland for helping with all the school children (200 sixth graders). Doug From mr at carolina.rr.com Sun Sep 19 20:26:47 2004 From: mr at carolina.rr.com (Mike Royster) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 23:26:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <000701c49ec1$a94eb180$545b8645@carolina.rr.com> Happy as a pig in ....................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:16 PM Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson > (They're big.) > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson001.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson002.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson003.jpg > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson004.jpg > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 19 21:50:09 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:50:09 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you In-Reply-To: <001a01c49ec1$d956aef0$5e49ef3f@defaultcomp> Message-ID: <200409200450.i8K4oE6c079885@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Thank you for making me feel welcome to the Atis group. I > hope I can add something to the list. If you have questions > I will do my best to answer them as soon as I get a chance. > My wife thanks the gentlemen from England and Scotland for > helping with all the school children (200 sixth graders). Hi Doug, Here's another one of those exotic fer'ners who the kids found entertaining. http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04/bob.jpg From rholtzer at earthlink.net Sun Sep 19 22:31:34 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:31:34 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <000c01c49e78$b6330e80$240110ac@PaulMaples> References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net> Possibly germoamer's suggestion is the way to go. Frankly I don't have any experience with hooking up generators. My 8K Witte system is set up with receptacles so I'd probably use extension cords from it! At any rate -- be safe! Bob At 01:44 PM 9/19/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Bob, > >This is a new home with NO electrical service to it right now. My son and >his wife are suppose to move in at the end of this month and they are >doing all of the painting and need lighting. The utility company has sent >most of their people to Florida to work on storm damage and told me it may >be two weeks or longer before they can run service to the house. I am just >trying to get them enough power to run their lights so they can see to >work on the home at night. > >Paul > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Holtzer" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:27 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > > >>Paul, you may not be providing enough information for an adequate >>response to your question. Is this a new house? Rewire? Status of >>existing wiring system? Size of service? How long to be temporary? Why >>no local power? Etc. My personal preference would be to seek advice >>from the local power company -- for my personal safety as well as house >>protection. >> >>Bob Holtzer >> >>At 08:08 PM 9/18/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>>I need to hook up a 7200 watt portable generator to a house meter base >>>to provide temporary power, there is currently no electrical service to >>>this house. What is the best way to do this? Just clip the leads from >>>the 240 volt generator to the lugs on the bottom side of the meter base? >>>Anything I need to know to make sure I do this without damaging anything. >>> >>>Paul >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 20 01:47:42 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:47:42 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Message-ID: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's rally held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). There was an impressive array of engines and tractors as well as vintage cars and trucks. I arrived early on Saturday morning (as I worked Friday night) and set up my Austral and the 1hp R&V. The Austral ran fine all morning until the timing valve spring failed. A repair was made with a spring that was fairly close in size and a bit of wire off the fence. The engine then ran perfectly for the rest of the day. Saturday night the list member encampment made their way to the nearby pub for food and refreshment. On our way out the gate one of the tractor guys came flying past in his truck. He had come back to check that he had not left one of his tractors running! We will forgive him as he had brought 15 tractors to the rally. (BTW He had left it running but it had long since stopped as it had run out of fuel). We had a good night at the pub (some more than others, Brock!) and returned to our camp and a roaring fire. Sunday we uncovered the engines and I found the Austral had seized overnight! This was a big surprise as the engine is very worn. It took loosening the big end and bumping the crank against it to free the engine. I think that a combination of heavy oil and cold running has gummed up the rings. The Austral was soon running again but later in the day stopped and refused to restart. Some maintenance is on the way this week! The piston has not been out for a long time and it has done a lot of running without a load recently which is not great for a kero engine. There was a small swap area and some interesting stuff to be found. I bought a 8hp Buzacott which is a fairly rare find. It is missing the head and some other bits but I may have a head to fit it somewhere. It was a great weekend and I enjoyed catching up with a lot of engine friends. I have put pictures of some of the engines up on my site at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc041.html Enjoy! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 20 02:38:43 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:38:43 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <002201c49eb3$31714d20$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <01e501c49ef5$a6d883c0$630d1bd3@athlon> > Hi Dallas, Was the show cancelled? > Dave Hey, they aint ALL wimps Dave! Didnt ya see the bubbles rising? Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From rustyiron at bigpond.com Sun Sep 19 14:49:16 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:49:16 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <007101c49e92$8d42de00$8867fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hi Paul, As always great photo's, a question for you and any one else on the list watching. The cooling tanks on the Lister engines, the corrugated iron type, how small in diameter can they be made? Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" ; "Stationary Engine Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally > Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's rally > held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). > There was an impressive array of engines and tractors as well as vintage > cars and trucks. I arrived early on Saturday morning (as I worked Friday > night) and set up my Austral and the 1hp R&V. The Austral ran fine all > morning until the timing valve spring failed. A repair was made with a > spring that was fairly close in size and a bit of wire off the fence. The > engine then ran perfectly for the rest of the day. > Saturday night the list member encampment made their way to the nearby pub > for food and refreshment. On our way out the gate one of the tractor guys > came flying past in his truck. He had come back to check that he had not > left one of his tractors running! We will forgive him as he had brought 15 > tractors to the rally. (BTW He had left it running but it had long since > stopped as it had run out of fuel). > We had a good night at the pub (some more than others, Brock!) and returned > to our camp and a roaring fire. > Sunday we uncovered the engines and I found the Austral had seized > overnight! This was a big surprise as the engine is very worn. It took > loosening the big end and bumping the crank against it to free the engine. I > think that a combination of heavy oil and cold running has gummed up the > rings. The Austral was soon running again but later in the day stopped and > refused to restart. Some maintenance is on the way this week! The piston has > not been out for a long time and it has done a lot of running without a load > recently which is not great for a kero engine. > There was a small swap area and some interesting stuff to be found. I bought > a 8hp Buzacott which is a fairly rare find. It is missing the head and some > other bits but I may have a head to fit it somewhere. > It was a great weekend and I enjoyed catching up with a lot of engine > friends. > I have put pictures of some of the engines up on my site at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc041.html > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 20 02:55:40 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:55:40 +0200 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <001301c49ef7$fcf9da40$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Thanks Patrick for the show pics. That Meadow Bank engine is't OZ made or UK? Looks very great to me. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's rally > held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). > I have put pictures of some of the engines up on my site at: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/samc041.html > Enjoy! > > Patrick M Livingstone -engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 20 03:09:21 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:09:21 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <001301c49ef7$fcf9da40$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Message-ID: <200409201009.i8KA9K6c020378@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi John, The Meadowbank was made in Sydney in the suburb of Meadowbank. They are a copy of the Scottish Melvin engine. Here is a picture of Edd's Melvin: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061417.JPG Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Thanks Patrick for the show pics. That Meadow Bank engine is't OZ made or UK? Looks very great to me. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 20 03:11:32 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:11:32 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <007101c49e92$8d42de00$8867fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <200409201011.i8KABP6c021145@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Andy, I don't think I have seen a corrugated iron tank under about a foot and a half in diameter. I would say that there is only so far the iron can be bent before it creases. Perhaps a better mind than mine has a more exact answer? Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Hi Paul, As always great photo's, a question for you and any one else on the list watching. The cooling tanks on the Lister engines, the corrugated iron type, how small in diameter can they be made? Andy...... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From wmrohrer at myactv.net Mon Sep 20 03:17:06 2004 From: wmrohrer at myactv.net (Mike Rohrer) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 06:17:06 -0400 Subject: [SEL] 30th Annual Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show Message-ID: <200409201017.i8KAHB6c023277@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> 30th Annual Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show The Smithsburg Athletic Booster Club will hold its 30th Annual Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show on September 25 & 26 at the Smithsburg Fire hall grounds in Smithsburg Maryland. There will be over 100 Arts & Crafts and Flea Markets. There will be a large display of antique steam traction engines, gas tractors and gas engines. On Saturday their will, be a parade through town at 5:00 PM, on Sunday there is a Kids Peddle Pull at 2:00 PM. The food is the best in the area with Country Ham sandwiches, Pork BBQ, Pork Tenderloin, Crab Cakes, Steamers and Hotdogs, Fresh Cut french-fries, Homemade hot Apple Pies, Homemade Bean Soup and our "Would Famous LEOPARD STEW". Show times are Saturday 9:00 AM to after the Parade and Sunday 10:00 AM until 5:00 PM. Directions: We are East of Hagerstown Maryland, From Interstate 70 take exit #35 "RT. 66" toward Smithsburg. Follow the signs to the Fire hall Grounds The Show is sponsored by, The Smithsburg Athletic Boosters Club of Smithsburg High School to promote and encourage the Youth of Smithsburg High School. For More information call or write Mike Rohrer, P.O. Box 754, Smithsburg, MD 21783 1-301-824-3593 - home 1-301-416-8581 - work wmrohrer at myactv.net Mike Rohrer Smithsburg, Maryland USA Collector of Antique Farm Literature Homepage - http://members.myactv.net/~wmrohrer/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts oh what a Christmas we'd have! Willie Rohrer 1917-2000 ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ 30th Smithsburg Steam Engine & Craft Show September 25 - 26, 2004 Smithsburg, MD ============================================== Shows where we will have our Sawmill in 2004 ============================================== Middletown Gas Engine & Tractor Show June 26 & 27, 2004 Middletown, MD ============================================== Catoctin Antique Gas Engine Show October 2 & 3, 2004 Wolfsville, MD From jopeter at omninet.net.au Mon Sep 20 05:32:06 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:32:06 +0800 Subject: [SEL] re the furore created by my comments Message-ID: <012501c49f0d$daed1be0$a4a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> I don't normally stir up trouble and then leave town but in this case it was unavoidable.I have been away for some days .So now lets get a few things straight....I said the operator of the steam traction engine was STUPID . I led with my chin there and should have said he was a irresponsible idiot, the machine was full of defects and i did not "Twist '' the facts [ why would i?]I wont go into the details as anyone who has an interest will know them.To operate the machine in such condition was done with no regard to those people on it ,around it and even those poor bloody policemen who some moron on SEL tried to blame for the accident It was an accident as i am sure the operator did not set out to blow the thing up but it was faulty and if inspected and repaired and operated correctly could have been avoided. Enough said about that . Now one of our list has chosen to make some comment about me and the Taliban. I have been of the opinion for some time that this person is a fool. His comment has now shown me that my suspicions were well founded . Any further reference by me regarding him will now cease. Naturally we got around to Communism, amazing the Reds are still under the beds! Now the reference to me being a Liberal ....I will forgive this show of ignorance . In our country a Liberal is Right Wing , I suppose if you want to call me anything call me Left Wing ,perhaps even a Socialist.....who knows.but there again i have a choice,.in any case what my political leanings are ,are my business. Of course that old Chestnut" Guns ''came up ,talk about paranoia!! [This will bring them out of the woodwork!] Perhaps my reference to standing under the launch pad was a bit too subtle. Any way i will pay my insurance ,sit behind a fence and enjoy myself ...others may wish to keep raging and sit in their shed playing with themselves! Just remember this life is no rehearsal Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Mon Sep 20 05:54:31 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:54:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] New member References: <20040918004448.58894.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c49f10$f9c9edb0$0301a8c0@ALEC> Dusty, Welcome to the list. I think you will find the list to be full of "seriously" disturbed engine collectors, there is also talk about axes, taxes, faxes, foxes and candy, just to name a few. There is some serious knowledge of engines and ideas as well, enough to fill a book, why dont you write a book??????????????????????????? Oh Yeah, for those of you who do not know, Dusty published one of the best ever books on a particular line of engines last yr. It was on the M & W engines. If there are any copies available you should try to get one, (they are as Darth Vader said once to young Skywalker) Impressive, Most impressive!!! Enjoy the list, Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dusty erickson" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [SEL] New member > Just joined this list after looking it over for a few days. Appears to be a great way to stay in touch with the serious people involved with old engines. Hope to have some useful input someday. > > Dusty Erickson > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:07:39 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sistersville Flood References: <001e01c49e84$a61c4a00$6901a8c0@COXFC5Y193IDA> <002201c49eb3$31714d20$0400a8c0@Dave> <01e501c49ef5$a6d883c0$630d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <414ED61B.ECFEFA75@insulate.co.uk> Jim said he heard that the feature was marine engines this year. Dolly Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > Hi Dallas, Was the show cancelled? > > Dave > > Hey, they aint ALL wimps Dave! Didnt ya see the bubbles rising? > -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:10:08 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:10:08 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409200847.i8K8lu6c088809@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <414ED6B0.9E5399E2@insulate.co.uk> Patrick M Livingstone wrote: > The Austral ran fine all > morning until the timing valve spring failed. A repair was made with a > spring that was fairly close in size and a bit of wire off the fence. The > engine then ran perfectly for the rest of the day. Always knew there was a reason why you Ozzies insisted on the fencing! Dolly -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From fbi at insulate.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:11:22 2004 From: fbi at insulate.co.uk (Jim French) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:11:22 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one of my husbands from the other! Dolly John Culp wrote: > (They're big.) > > http://oldengine.org/members/culp/RicGibson.jpg -- Jim French fbi at insulate.co.uk http://www.insulate.co.uk From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Mon Sep 20 06:45:29 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:45:29 +0200 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000e01c49f18$1762a9f0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Comon Dolly, for an experienced Flame Mistress like you it's a piece of cake. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is > getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one > of my husbands from the other! > > Dolly From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 07:21:23 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:21:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> pull the meter so you dont electrocute any possible careless linemen . From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 20 07:26:47 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:26:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you Message-ID: <00b501c49f1d$dd17a9c0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Hi Doug, > Here's another one of those exotic fer'ners who the kids found entertaining. > http://engines.rustyiron.com/portland04/bob.jpg Someone put shoes on him ! Or is this ANOTHER new insurance requirement ? Chuck From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 20 13:59:16 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:59:16 +0100 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c49f54$b0d16a40$0f856ad5@zen> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim French" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson > John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is > getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one > of my husbands from the other! > Dolly I hear there might be a new pop group playing at Portland next year! See http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/190082364LtMBUP Dave Croft From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 16:29:08 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:29:08 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson In-Reply-To: <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> Message-ID: :-D John On Sep 20, 2004, at 9:11 AM, Jim French wrote: > John, I'm a little concerned here. Now you've got a beard and Jim is > getting less hair on top, it's going to be difficult for me to tell one > of my husbands from the other! > > Dolly From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 16:32:55 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:32:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net> <4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net> <004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> One important thing to remember if you use the method of back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that the prongs on the plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged into the generator. Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with the prongs, or to accidentally short them out. If you choose to do that, (of course, making sure there's no possible connection with the mains), first plug in inside and connect to the generator last. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 16:34:44 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:34:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT: Pics of me with my new Pete Townshend Gibson In-Reply-To: <000401c49f54$b0d16a40$0f856ad5@zen> References: <7C8BCFDF-0AB3-11D9-A386-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <414ED6FA.EE7022CE@insulate.co.uk> <000401c49f54$b0d16a40$0f856ad5@zen> Message-ID: > I hear there might be a new pop group playing at Portland next year! > See http://community.webshots.com/photo/17162210/190082364LtMBUP > Dave Croft And y'all thought Jim was only one of twins. Really triplets! John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From falcon at telenet.net Mon Sep 20 17:33:17 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:33:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net><4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net><004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <016601c49f72$971f1020$971117d1@net.telenet.net> Yep that is why I almost always make a short twin plug lead to connect on one end, and use a plug on one end and a socket on the other of the main feed line. That way you have an extension cord as well as the short feeder line. =o----------------------o= o=-----------------------------------------------------o= o=[power] Plug Plug ------------ Plug Generator Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > One important thing to remember if you use the method of > back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that the prongs on the > plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged into the generator. > Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with the prongs, or to > accidentally short them out. If you choose to do that, (of course, > making sure there's no possible connection with the mains), first plug > in inside and connect to the generator last. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 20 17:35:48 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:35:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <016601c49f72$971f1020$971117d1@net.telenet.net> References: <4.2.2.20040919091117.00c22818@mail.earthlink.net><4.2.2.20040919222650.00365948@mail.earthlink.net><004d01c49f1d$1be866e0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> <016601c49f72$971f1020$971117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <2EDB4E34-0B66-11D9-9DBC-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Good arrangement. John On Sep 20, 2004, at 8:33 PM, Steve W. wrote: > Yep that is why I almost always make a short twin plug lead to connect > on one end, and use a plug on one end and a socket on the other of the > main feed line. That way you have an extension cord as well as the > short > feeder line. > =o----------------------o= > o=-----------------------------------------------------o= o=[power] > Plug Plug > ------------ Plug Generator > > Steve Williams > Near Cooperstown NY From frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com Mon Sep 20 17:39:37 2004 From: frazerlyndsay at hotmail.com (Lyndsay Frazer) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:39:37 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally Message-ID: Hi Patrick, Thanks for the report and great pics. Top job as usual mate. Regards, Lyndsay . >From: "Patrick M Livingstone" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "Stationary Engine ATIS List" , >"Stationary Engine Mailing List" >Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally >Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:47:42 +1000 > >Another weekend another great engine rally. This time it was my club's >rally >held at Hawksbury Showground at Clarendon (in the north-west of Sydney). _________________________________________________________________ In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse at CarPoint: http://server-au.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/b?cg=link&ci=ninemsn&tu=http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au?refid=hotmail_tagline From wilson at stny.rr.com Mon Sep 20 18:35:01 2004 From: wilson at stny.rr.com (Glenn Wilson) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:35:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: <65B163B9-0B5D-11D9-9AD8-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: If you do connect with the mains, just make sure you are in phase :) Glenn Wilson -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On Behalf Of John Culp Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:33 PM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help One important thing to remember if you use the method of back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that the prongs on the plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged into the generator. Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with the prongs, or to accidentally short them out. If you choose to do that, (of course, making sure there's no possible connection with the mains), first plug in inside and connect to the generator last. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Mon Sep 20 18:36:48 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:36:48 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you Message-ID: <000c01c49f7b$7c75b860$e8680b42@gnarmstrong> Doug, I enjoyed meeting you and discussing your 2Hp bessemer. I'm looking forward to Dave Park getting some copies of your fuel and water tank support. Geo. F. Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Doug Etzkorn To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Date: Sunday, September 19, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [SEL] Doug from Portland/Wapakoneta OH says thank you >Thank you for making me feel welcome to the Atis group. I hope I can add something to the list. If you have questions I will do my best to answer them as soon as I get a chance. My wife thanks the gentlemen from England and Scotland for helping with all the school children (200 sixth graders). > >Doug >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From canuckiron at wightman.ca Mon Sep 20 21:42:20 2004 From: canuckiron at wightman.ca (Duncan Denman) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:42:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> Message-ID: <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Hi All, It may be the governor as it does not like to idle down after it warms up and has been worked. I talked to the former ownere last night and he said he used to change the points and it worked. It is a 14 HP Kohler engine in it. Runs good. Seems to have an automotive style coil which I am told is a replacement.. Has a seperate choke as well Duncan ED wrote: > Duncan, > What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more > than once?? > > Ed Stoller > New Fairfield, CT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan Denman" > To: "ATIS Engine List" > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > Hi Folks, > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Duncan > > > > -- > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > Visit our Home Page at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- Duncan and Sandy Denman Ayton, Ontario, Canada Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca Visit our Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry From rwenig at cable-lynx.net Mon Sep 20 20:15:52 2004 From: rwenig at cable-lynx.net (Rupert Wenig) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:15:52 -0600 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca> <008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <414F9CE8.B45CFC14@cable-lynx.net> Hello Duncan, My garden tractor has a 19 hp Kohler engine. It acts similar to what I understand yours does. I found I had to adjust the main jet and idle jet on the carburetor to correct. I have to change these adjustments in the spring when the weather warms up and again in the fall when it cools down. It doesn't take much of change in the settings to make a difference. Keep us posted on what works for you. Rupert Duncan Denman wrote: > > Hi All, > > It may be the governor as it does not like to idle down after it warms up and > has been worked. I talked to the former ownere last night and he said he used > to change the points and it worked. > It is a 14 HP Kohler engine in it. Runs good. Seems to have an automotive > style coil which I am told is a replacement.. Has a seperate choke as well > > Duncan > > ED wrote: > > > Duncan, > > What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more > > than once?? > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Duncan Denman" > > To: "ATIS Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > -- > > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > > Visit our Home Page at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel -- yvt Rupert Wenig Camrose, Alberta, Canada. mailto://rwenig at cable-lynx.net http://www.cable-lynx.net/~rwenig/index.html From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 20 21:18:45 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:18:45 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409201009.i8KA9K6c020378@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Patrick, Thanks for the great pictures. I'm new and ignorant, but the picture John shared turned on a light bulb. I noticed the head on the side of the cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is considered a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it quite clear. Thanks and.... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Sydney Rally > Hi John, > The Meadowbank was made in Sydney in the suburb of Meadowbank. They > are a copy of the Scottish Melvin engine. Here is a picture of Edd's > Melvin: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/otherengines/03061417.JPG > > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > > Thanks Patrick for the show pics. That Meadow Bank > engine is't OZ made or UK? > Looks very great to me. > > John Hammink > Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. > jg.hammink at quicknet.nl > www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/web > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From jnyost at yahoo.com Tue Sep 21 03:43:03 2004 From: jnyost at yahoo.com (James Yost) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 03:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040921104303.43164.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> SEL, I did not read the original question about hooking up a generator so I am assuming we are doing it without a double throw disconnect. I read one email to pull the meter. That will prevent from back feeding. Do it the safe way. Get a double throw switch so there is NO way to have an accident. These switches can be bought at any electric supply house. Once you hook up your double throw switch you can also wire in a light on the power company side so you know when the power company has restored its power. When it comes to electric I am a stickler for safety. Anyone at anytime can hook up your generator to the double throw and not accidentally forget to pull the meter or what ever. I am off my soap box and I hope I did not offend anyone. SAFETY FIRST!!!!!! Jim --- Glenn Wilson wrote: > If you do connect with the mains, just make sure you > are in phase :) > Glenn Wilson > > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com]On > Behalf Of John Culp > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 7:33 PM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter > Base - Help > > > One important thing to remember if you use the > method of > back-connecting to a dryer or range socket is that > the prongs on the > plug are exposed and hot if the other end's plugged > into the generator. > Very easy to get shocked by coming into contact with > the prongs, or to > accidentally short them out. If you choose to do > that, (of course, > making sure there's no possible connection with the > mains), first plug > in inside and connect to the generator last. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Jim and Janna Yost Utica, Ohio USA jnyost at yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Tue Sep 21 04:05:33 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:05:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] A New Toy Message-ID: <200409211105.i8LB5c6c090695@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Ron Sullivan picked up this engine at the weekend: http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ronsengines/DCP_3135.JPG It is a 20hp Austral Oil Engine on the stationary base. The engine is getting shipped home on a truck as it is a bit of a load to haul home over 1000km! Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ From jopeter at omninet.net.au Tue Sep 21 04:49:25 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:49:25 +0800 Subject: [SEL] my comments Message-ID: <001c01c49fd1$0ea4f750$b3a226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Kerry ...thanks for your on list support ....you have echoed my sentiments exactly in a much stronger version , thanks mate . Peter Ogborne Little Grove ,Albany West Australia ''Heart of the Rainbow Coast '' jopeter at omninet.net.au From bill at antique-engines.com Tue Sep 21 05:34:13 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (bill at antique-engines.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 05:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> References: <200409201009.i8KA9K6c020378@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <26979.165.206.180.118.1095770053.squirrel@antique-engines.com> Sideshaft - typically the camshaft runs the "length" of the engine from the crankshaft area up to the head/valve area. The cam is usually driven by a worm gear or similar arrangement (to get the right-angle drive) So rather than a long push rod mechanism, the cam runs the valve more or less directly. Side shaft because the shaft to run the valving runs along the side of the engine. More expensive to manufacture, better design. Of course some nimnodes on eBay list their "horizontal shaft" B&S engines as sideshaft engines, too! Geesh! Those are not sideshaft, they are quite simply "horizontal crankshaft" or simply, horizontal shaft engines, nothing special unless you are looking for a minibike or go-kart engine...... Will get to your other message later - just found it - we get over 200 + SPAMs a day now, and the filtering is less than ideal. Will be switching to some anti-spam software soon. I have a bad feeling that we are losing a lot of messages in the fray. Bill > I noticed the head on the side of the > cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is > considered > a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it > quite clear. Thanks and.... > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Sep 21 06:28:47 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:28:47 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC "M" Message-ID: Well, my machinist friend got bit by the bug big time. He's looking for a trip rod assembly (just the assembly that screws in) for a 1 1/2 hp. He also believes he can fabricate one if he gets a drawing. This engine uses the IHC Mag and Ignitor. He'd sure appreciate some help on this one and he doesn't do computers..........yet :-)) TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 21 07:04:10 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:04:10 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere References: <414E22D4.C4E68399@wightman.ca><008a01c49eab$eb8e8a40$33e3f504@x8h7l9> <414FB12C.823C39E0@wightman.ca> Message-ID: <00a101c49fe3$dea27d80$991117d1@net.telenet.net> That coil could be the problem. I have always seemed to have problems with Kohlers that have had the coil replaced with anything other than a factory coil. Even when it was a "correct" coil with the resistor inside. Don't have a clue why, it would seem that a coil was a coil as long as it is the correct type. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Denman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > Hi All, > > It may be the governor as it does not like to idle down after it warms up and > has been worked. I talked to the former ownere last night and he said he used > to change the points and it worked. > It is a 14 HP Kohler engine in it. Runs good. Seems to have an automotive > style coil which I am told is a replacement.. Has a seperate choke as well > > Duncan > > ED wrote: > > > Duncan, > > What kind of engine is in it and does it run rough when it gets hot more > > than once?? > > > > Ed Stoller > > New Fairfield, CT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Duncan Denman" > > To: "ATIS Engine List" > > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [SEL] O.T. 214 John Deere > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > A friend of mine gave me a John Deere 214 riding mower/tractor because > > > he bought a new and bigger unit. Works great except when it has no load, > > > it will run under full throttle but when I am cutting grass, it will > > > start to cough if it gets too much gas forcing me to throttle back. Plug > > > is not fouling and the engine was rebuilt about three years ago. Any > > > thought/suggestions? I was thinking about the condensor or points or > > > maybe a carb adjustment. Didn't happen untill it was about half way > > > through the lawn or about 30 minutes. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Duncan > > > > > > -- > > > Duncan and Sandy Denman > > > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > > > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > > > Visit our Home Page at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > > > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SEL mailing list > > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > -- > Duncan and Sandy Denman > Ayton, Ontario, Canada > Mailto:canuckiron at wightman.ca > Visit our Home Page at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ny/carrotpatch/ > Home of the Massey Harris Stationary Engine Registry > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 21 08:17:40 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:17:40 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html Dave From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 21 09:56:53 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:56:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! In-Reply-To: <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> Dave, We could always recommend the Portland singer of their anthem sing at the monument ceremony! Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: >And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html > Dave > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Tue Sep 21 10:24:32 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:24:32 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! In-Reply-To: <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon> <025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:56:53 -0400, you wrote: >Dave, >We could always recommend the Portland singer of their anthem sing at >the monument ceremony! >Curt > >Dave Rotigel wrote: > >>And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html >> Dave I don't know if it was the same lady we heard at the 2003 show, but boy, she was powerful if not entirely tuneful! :-)) Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 21 11:28:44 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 14:28:44 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon><025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave> <41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <029a01c4a008$d3f64090$0400a8c0@Dave> Hi Curt, I'm PISSED about the memorial--but I think your suggestion is going too far! Dave > Dave, > We could always recommend the Portland singer of their anthem sing at > the monument ceremony! > Curt > > Dave Rotigel wrote: > > >And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html > > Dave > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Tue Sep 21 13:08:14 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:08:14 -0400 Subject: [SEL] OT Rick Rolands Message-ID: <41508A2E.2000205@imc-group.com> Rick, Could you please contact me offlist. I've lost your email address in a computer hickup. Curt Holland P.S. Quote? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 21 14:17:43 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:17:43 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I bought a mag earlier this summer at an auction complete with gear for an an IH type M ignitor engine. I just tried installing it on a 3hp engine and the mag gear doesn't mesh with the cam gear. It is too small in diameter. I'm guessing the one I have is for a 1.5hp engine. Is the magneto gear for a 3hp larger in diameter than the gear for a 1.5 hp? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From George_Best at adp.com Tue Sep 21 15:13:58 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:13:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: Mine arrived yesterday (Monday 9/20) Beaverton Oregon George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > jlb94 at juno.com > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:50 PM > To: SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > Subject: [SEL] GEM > > Judge Tommy Turner = Mine arrived on the 15th and is usually > here by the 10th. > Dwight Vivas = Nope, it hasn't arrived yet. > Tom Schmutz = None here either. > = = = = = = = > = = > > Thanks Guys - Maybe I'm jumping the gun. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From bolhuis at amtelecom.net Tue Sep 21 16:17:53 2004 From: bolhuis at amtelecom.net (Bob & Sheila Bolhuis) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:17:53 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon><025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave><41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> <029a01c4a008$d3f64090$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <001401c4a031$384bf440$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> Don't blame ME !!!! They didn't ask MY opinion before they did something that STUPID !!!! Bob Bob & Sheila Bolhuis RR#4 Aylmer , Ont, Can N5H-2R3 519-765-3337 From jdohagan at comcast.net Tue Sep 21 17:43:35 2004 From: jdohagan at comcast.net (Jim O'Hagan) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:43:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200409220043.i8M0hbrA007866@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Luke, My parts cat. indicates the 1 1/2 hp uses a gear with 30 teeth and 36 teeth on a 3 HP. Jim O'Hagan -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of Luke Tonneberger Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:18 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear Hi Everyone, I bought a mag earlier this summer at an auction complete with gear for an an IH type M ignitor engine. I just tried installing it on a 3hp engine and the mag gear doesn't mesh with the cam gear. It is too small in diameter. I'm guessing the one I have is for a 1.5hp engine. Is the magneto gear for a 3hp larger in diameter than the gear for a 1.5 hp? Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rdhaskell at juno.com Tue Sep 21 17:45:07 2004 From: rdhaskell at juno.com (rdhaskell at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:45:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040921.174508.640.0.rdhaskell@juno.com> Mine came today. 9-21 Ron Haskell rdhaskell at juno.com Riverside, California USA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=3009370&f=0 On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:13:58 -0700 "George Best" writes: > Mine arrived yesterday (Monday 9/20) > Beaverton Oregon > > George From johnculp at chartertn.net Tue Sep 21 17:46:52 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:46:52 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! In-Reply-To: <001401c4a031$384bf440$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> References: <200409150309.i8F39fep097130@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <000201c49b69$7f6344e0$58111bd3@athlon><025e01c49fee$22ae2f10$0400a8c0@Dave><41505D55.3070506@imc-group.com> <029a01c4a008$d3f64090$0400a8c0@Dave> <001401c4a031$384bf440$6500a8c0@EMACHINE> Message-ID: Hey Bob, are you still talking about singing the Canadian anthem at Portland? > Don't blame ME !!!! They didn't ask MY opinion before they did > something that STUPID !!!! > Bob John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 21 18:51:05 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:51:05 -0400 Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: <20040921.215751.920.4.jlb94@juno.com> Mine also arrived yesterday - 9-20-04 Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > > From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 21 18:48:48 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:48:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com> don't know if it was the same lady we heard at the 2003 show, but boy, she was powerful if not entirely tuneful! :-)) = = = = = = I believe we should be thankful to have someone "actually" sing it. They could play some "Scratchy" recording. As for the statue - - - Maybe Canada could take ALL our unwanteds. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Aermoter at aol.com Tue Sep 21 20:09:30 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:09:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: In a message dated 9/21/2004 9:00:58 PM Central Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: They could play some "Scratchy" recording Anything would be better than having to listen to her sing. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 21 04:39:03 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:39:03 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help References: <20040921104303.43164.qmail@web40613.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01c49fcf$9a489070$240110ac@PaulMaples> NO offense at all Jim and the advice is well taken. You have missed some of my original posts. This is a new home that my son and wife are building with no power to it whatsoever. We are waiting on the utility company to come out and run the underground service but they say it will be a couple of weeks as they have sent most of their crews to Florida. I am wiring the home, my son and his wife are doing all of the painting and the staining of the floors and we all need some power to work by, more than the two construction extension cords that is currently available. I also needed to check out all of my wiring circuits. I now have the generator installed and all is working great. I will remove it just as soon as the utility company calls me and tells me they are coming to run the underground service. Thanks James for the excellent advice, it is appreciated. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Yost" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] O.T. Hooking a Generator to Meter Base - Help > SEL, > > I did not read the original question about hooking up > a generator so I am assuming we are doing it without a > double throw disconnect. I read one email to pull the > meter. That will prevent from back feeding. Do it the From pml1 at bigpond.net.au Wed Sep 22 02:20:00 2004 From: pml1 at bigpond.net.au (Patrick M Livingstone) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:20:00 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally In-Reply-To: <002001c49f92$16673280$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <200409220920.i8M9K0rA028756@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Hi Jeff, The Melvin/Meadowbank engines are sideshaft engines. They are headless but have a removable valve chamber on the side. There are a number of examples of different sideshaft engines on the Sydney Rally page including my Austral, a Blackstone, some Hornsbys and Crossleys. Patrick Patrick M Livingstone Leichhardt NSW http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ -----Original Message----- Patrick, Thanks for the great pictures. I'm new and ignorant, but the picture John shared turned on a light bulb. I noticed the head on the side of the cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is considered a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it quite clear. Thanks and.... Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA From flywheelin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 22 03:56:01 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:56:01 +0000 Subject: [SEL] IH M Magneto Gear Message-ID: Thanks Reg and Jim. Thanks for the offer Reg, I'll see if I can find one over here. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA =========================== >From: "Reg & Margaret Ingold" > >Yes mate, they are two different sizes. 36 teeth on one and 30 on the >other. >If you have no luck with getting one, I have one here that comes off the >low >tension mag. Different hole on the middle so would need altering. >Reg & Marg Ingold. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "Jim O'Hagan" > >Hi Luke, > My parts cat. indicates the 1 1/2 hp uses a gear with 30 teeth and 36 >teeth on a 3 HP. > >Jim O'Hagan _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 22 07:14:54 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:14:54 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Exhaust Barkers are Woo Woo ? References: <200409170437.i8H4bj6c053362@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> <04C23FAC-090C-11D9-AE99-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Message-ID: <004001c4a0ae$89563b20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> There has been a resurgence in popularity of the exhaust barker in the street tuner scene in the form of the Whistle Tip . The Hells Angels arn't the only good thing to come out of Oakland , and everything comes back around again . No liquids while viewing http://www.ebaumsworld.com/bubbrubb.html Chuck B From jlb94 at juno.com Wed Sep 22 07:04:09 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:04:09 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: <20040922.102516.808.2.jlb94@juno.com> Anything would be better than having to listen to her sing. = = = = = = = = I'm not going to argue that fact - I just feel we should be thankful that SOMEONE will sing it "live". Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:09:30 EDT Aermoter at aol.com writes: From gnarmstrong at netnitco.net Wed Sep 22 15:54:28 2004 From: gnarmstrong at netnitco.net (George & Norma Armstrong) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:54:28 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question Message-ID: <000d01c4a0f7$1e87d080$79680b42@gnarmstrong> Thx. Arnie, The Bessemer info arrvd. today. It is an excellent resource and I have just begun to review its contents. Like I said---I owe you. Geo. -----Original Message----- From: Arnie Fero To: The SEL email discussion list Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [SEL] Re: Bessemer Fuel Line Question >Hi George, > >There are two check balls where the gas line enters the fuel feeder. Both >of mine were goo'ed in. Gumout & a few taps got them free. > >I can mail you a drawing of the area in question from a Bessemer catalog >if that would help. > >See ya, Arnie > >Arnie Fero >Pittsburgh, PA >fero_ah at city-net.com > >On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, George & Norma Armstrong wrote: > >> Arne, Does your 2 Hp Bessemer (the one you got running at Portland >> this year) have a check valve in the gas line? Our 4 Hp is undergoing >> work and the reason for the question. Geo. >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 22 16:12:57 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:12:57 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sydney Rally References: <200409220920.i8M9K0rA028756@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000801c4a0f9$b2e772b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Patrick and Bill, Thanks for the info on sideshaft engines. Went back and looked at the pictures again. Pretty sophisticated and many variations. I do believe I have seen one now though I didn't know at the time. Sure enjoyed watching it run. http://frapa.us/Photos/Ault/Ault03.html Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick M Livingstone" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 3:20 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Sydney Rally > Hi Jeff, > The Melvin/Meadowbank engines are sideshaft engines. They are > headless but have a removable valve chamber on the side. There are a > number > of examples of different sideshaft engines on the Sydney Rally page > including my Austral, a Blackstone, some Hornsbys and Crossleys. > Patrick > > Patrick M Livingstone > Leichhardt NSW > http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html > http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > -----Original Message----- > Patrick, > > Thanks for the great pictures. I'm new and ignorant, but the picture John > shared turned on a light bulb. I noticed the head on the side of the > cylinder and the shaft and gearing in this photo. Is this what is > considered > > a side shaft engine. If so, I've never seen one, but this picture made it > quite clear. Thanks and.... > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From edstoller at earthlink.net Wed Sep 22 17:16:33 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:16:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival Message-ID: <003c01c4a102$9752a980$90d7f504@x8h7l9> If anyone from SEL or SmokStak is going to Connecticut Antique Machinery Association Fall Festival this Saturday, September 25 , a few of us are planning to meet at the windmill tower at noon to meet each other and get a picture. The show is in Kent Connecticut . http://www.ctamachinery.com/ Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT From rexhinz at chorus.net Wed Sep 22 18:47:47 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:47:47 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! > don't know if it was the same lady we heard at the 2003 show, but boy, > she was > powerful if not entirely tuneful! :-)) > = = = = = = > I believe we should be thankful to have someone "actually" sing it. > They could play some "Scratchy" recording. > > As for the statue - - - Maybe Canada could take ALL our unwanteds. > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 22 18:58:22 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:58:22 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com> <000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> Message-ID: <01a801c4a110$ce460320$0400a8c0@Dave> > Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers > and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers > > Rex This thread has taken an interesting turn. How about we talk about ALL those from Canada who HAVE NOT contacted anyone to protest the memorial/monument? Dave From transteck at earthlink.net Wed Sep 22 21:51:09 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:51:09 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com><000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> <01a801c4a110$ce460320$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: <001901c4a128$f255a780$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Perhaps they have Dave. Considering the easiest route into our country for a terrorist is through Canada does not lead me to believe our Northern neighbors don't care. I missed Vietnam by a couple months and Canada was never an option for me. Heartbeat away from signing up and I choose motorpool as opposed to front line draft. War ended. Judge me as you will. I have no doubt that Jane Fonda and John Kerry will be there for the ceremony. Thanks for sharing this. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! >> Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers >> and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers >> >> Rex > This thread has taken an interesting turn. How about we talk about ALL > those > from Canada who HAVE NOT contacted anyone to protest the > memorial/monument? > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 06:47:02 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:47:02 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. Message-ID: Howdy all; Well fall is here and we've already had our first snow. I made a couple shows this summer in Mt. Will hit more next year. Even talking about Portland 2005. Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. Everything around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a tractor. I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling but can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From marvhed at ecenet.com Thu Sep 23 07:48:03 2004 From: marvhed at ecenet.com (MARVIN HEDBERG) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:48:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> rick, the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck yoke ring to slide onto. ______________ (____ ______ )__) marv in minn > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. Everything > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > tractor. > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > but > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > TIA > RickinMt. From jeffchattin at msn.com Thu Sep 23 08:08:34 2004 From: jeffchattin at msn.com (jeff chattin) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:08:34 -0400 Subject: [SEL] contact information References: <20040921.215751.920.3.jlb94@juno.com><000d01c4a10f$56c3a420$7086a5d8@mycomputer> <01a801c4a110$ce460320$0400a8c0@Dave> Message-ID: Does anyone have Jim Adomis's Phone Number. He is Supposed to be located in Eastern Ohio Thanks Jeff From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 23 08:18:01 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:18:01 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Excellent Calendars Message-ID: <4tp5l0h015g7e29a9o6fm9jaggveve6sam@4ax.com> We had a couple of calendars from Rita's brother in Australia today, both are worth a mention as they will appeal to most guys on the Lists: 1) Vintage Engineering - showing various stationary engines in full-colour pictures each month. Stationary Engine Calendar 10, Avoca Street Heidelberg, Victoria 3084, Australia 2) Grey Power - Oldies humour, we both had a good laugh! Bartel Publications, 36 Ricketty Street. Mascot, NSW 2020 Australia (I think that's near Peter Lowe?) We can recommend either/both to all. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 08:33:14 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:33:14 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. References: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: Is the below what you meant Marv? If so I'm confused. I'm thinking that it was some kind of quick connect/disconnect assy., ..don't ask me why. I've almost googlized myself to death!! Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > > rick, > the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck > yoke ring to slide onto. > ______________ > (____ ______ > )__) > > > marv in minn > > > > > > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. > > Everything > > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > > tractor. > > > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > > but > > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From weirgrant at hotmail.com Thu Sep 23 09:00:01 2004 From: weirgrant at hotmail.com (Grant Weir) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:00:01 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! Message-ID: >From: "Dave Rotigel" >Subject: [SEL] Our FRIENDS to the North! > >And we play the Canadian National Anthem at Portland each year! See: >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132971,00.html > Dave Hi Dave, I think it would be safe to say that most Canadians would agree that the whole idea really is in very bad taste, and that yes, we will likely protest this thing into the trash can where it belongs. At least I sure hope so. There appears to considerable negative attention already. We sure do appreciate you folks playing our national anthem along with yours at your events. We do the same and will continue to do so regardless of the actions of the few. I does make you wonder how people come up with this stuff though does'nt it. What a silly idea! Grant Weir Saskatoon, SK. Canada _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft? SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN? Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 09:09:31 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:09:31 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish Message-ID: Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. Also thinking about using cold Gun-Bluing on the flywheel faces. Whatcha all think? I was typing at the Gal Man this a.m. and mentioned that the countdown to crank-up can begin. Probably a week..maybe a little more. I'll fabricate and install the gas tank lines today. Then about all I need is a small spring for the Lunk and a couple decals. It's taken all my restraint to keep from crankin' this baby up, but I knew I had to completely finish it first. Will post pix's of the crankup. Take Care ya'll "Live is GREAT" RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 23 09:19:07 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:19:07 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? George From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 09:52:08 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue In-Reply-To: References: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > I've almost googlized myself to death!! Hey Rick, Better stop that!! Not only will you grow hair on your palms, you'll go blind!! See ya, Arnie PS - I once knew a gal who suffered from Truck Tongue. In addition to being able to lick chrome off a bumper, she could suck-start a Harley! Wotta gal!! 8-)) From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 09:53:51 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, I've got a Light Six Sandwich. Are you looking for info on the Heavy Six or the Light Six? See ya, Arnie On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? From ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz Thu Sep 23 09:50:02 2004 From: ajs at newenglandfinancial.biz (Alec Stevens) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:50:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine References: Message-ID: <048601c4a18d$60225560$0301a8c0@ALEC> George,No 8's but I have some 6 's, 4.5, 3, 1.5,,,,But I am looking for an 8 or 10 if you have any extras, Tks , Call my cell , am traveling for several days after this post. 1.207.939.8764 Alec J. Stevens Investment Specialist 80 Leighton Road, Suite C Falmouth, ME 04105 (800)842-6669 (207)797-5169 (207)797-2819 ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Best" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine > Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? > > George > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From George_Best at adp.com Thu Sep 23 10:09:35 2004 From: George_Best at adp.com (George Best) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:09:35 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine Message-ID: I'm not sure. Dumb me didn't measure the flywheels or the bore/stroke. If I'd done that I could have determined which size it was. I do know it's a pretty good size engine. Has a fair amount of original paint and "Sandwich" is still readable on the hopper. Unfortunately the rocker arm and support is missing. The owner thought he had the rocker arm, but his barn is full of stuff and after a short search we couldn't find it. Somewhere I should have some digital pictures I took of this engine several years ago when it was still sitting outside at his place and hopefully I can find the pictures to prove whether the rocker arm was on it then or removed after it was moved into his barn. There also is no brass tag on the engine. However, I removed the cover on the water hopper and felt around in the dark to see if the rocker arm was put in the water hopper. I did feel a thin flat piece that had slid under the cylinder in the hopper and thought that it might be the brass tag. I think engines without tags are worth less than engines with tags, so I didn't want to discover the missing tag until the engine is mine! ;-) Have to keep all the bargaining power I can for talking down the engine to get a good price ;-) So if I get this engine I'll be looking for someone with the same size to copy the rocker arm and support if the original ones cannot be found. Any ideas on the values of Sandwich engines in the 6hp to 8hp size? George > -----Original Message----- > From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com > [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of > Arnie Fero > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:54 AM > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Sandwich engine > > Hi George, > > I've got a Light Six Sandwich. > > Are you looking for info on the Heavy Six or the Light Six? > > See ya, Arnie > > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > > > Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 23 11:08:42 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:08:42 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue References: Message-ID: <4153112A.000001.03060@NOTEBOOK> Arnie Said> PS - I once knew a gal who suffered from Truck Tongue. In addition to being able to lick chrome off a bumper, she could suck-start a Harley! Wotta gal!! 8-)) At least now I know where my first wife has been Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! From curt at imc-group.com Thu Sep 23 11:37:00 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:37:00 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <415317CC.20900@imc-group.com> Rick, You know how I like pretty finishes on these old engines and carts, but I fear you may have made a bit of a mistake blasting your blade. That's the one part that is still a dull rusty color on my Herc and Famous sawrigs. Perhaps you did not have a choice but unfortunately blasting places the surface of the metal in compression and will make a saw blade "wavy". Blades are hammered in the center area to create some dish. When the blade is spun up to speed the blade "tightens" and become flat again, making the outer edge of the blade "tight". Hammering places the center and mid sections of the blade in compression and the outer area in tension. Blasting places the entire blade in compression. When spun the outer edge will wobble all over the place. The same thing happens when there is incorrect set in the teeth. Drag will overheat the outer area of the blade making the blade scary wavy. Can you chuck the blade up and use some sandpaper to polish the blasting efforts away making it look more like original? Then oil it and send it to a blade smith having him sharpen, set, balance, and hammer it again. Hammering is a technique best left to the experts. I had mine done by a fellow in SC years ago. Before my blade was hammered I was shocked at how wavy it was when up to speed. The blade wobbled enough that I was certain it was going to hit the sawrig frame! As some point in it's life the table had been hit numerous time by the blade. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Time 2:35 EST Richard Strobel wrote: > Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? >I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > > Also thinking about using cold Gun-Bluing on the flywheel faces. Whatcha >all think? > > I was typing at the Gal Man this a.m. and mentioned that the countdown to >crank-up can begin. Probably a week..maybe a little more. I'll fabricate >and install the gas tank lines today. Then about all I need is a small >spring for the Lunk and a couple decals. > > It's taken all my restraint to keep from crankin' this baby up, but I knew >I had to completely finish it first. > > > From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 11:50:35 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi George, Back in 1998 I paid $1100 for a complete, running Light Six Sandwich on a buzz saw rig. In addition to your rocker arm issue, other things to look for: - Is the governor weights cover there and not broken? - Is the cast iron crank guard there and not broken? - Does it have the original muffler? - Does it have the hand crank? - Is it Webster ignitor or newer Wico high tension? Mine is yes, yes, yes, yes, and Wico with some original paint and very faded Sandwich. It does have the brass tag though. Which includes "Bracket & Shaw" who were a New England distributor. 8-)) You can get repro Sandwich catalogs from the usual vendors. See ya, Arnie On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, George Best wrote: > So if I get this engine I'll be looking for someone with the same size > to copy the rocker arm and support if the original ones cannot be found. > > Any ideas on the values of Sandwich engines in the 6hp to 8hp size? From wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com Thu Sep 23 12:07:59 2004 From: wdcalvert at calvertmcbride.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:07:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George I have an 8 hp. Bill -----Original Message----- From: George Best [mailto:George_Best at adp.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:19 AM To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] Sandwich engine Does anyone on the list have a 6hp or 8hp Sandwich? George _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From jlb94 at juno.com Thu Sep 23 12:47:03 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:47:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish Message-ID: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. = = = = = = = Hi Rick, I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The oil gave a nice dark finish. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 23 13:54:30 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:54:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] GEM Message-ID: Mine came 9/22 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 23 14:27:34 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:27:34 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish Message-ID: <46.597b71a2.2e8499c6@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/2004 2:39:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curt at imc-group.com writes: << Hammering is a technique best left to the experts. I had mine done by a fellow in SC years ago >> Curt, I have always wanted to watch someone hammer a saw blade and what they look for and how they correct it! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From ron217_2000 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 14:48:55 2004 From: ron217_2000 at yahoo.com (Ron Frost, Kersey, PA) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040923214855.92502.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> Rick, What Marv has shown is correct. What it is , is a piece of say, 3/16" X 1" steel bend to fit over the dia. of the tounge and extending an inch or so out past the end of the tounge. On the under side the steel is bent down, say 3" or so from the front end, back straight, up, then straight again. This creates a bump or stop for the ring so the tounge can't slide through. Bolts are added from the top through the steel, both top and bottom behind the bump you added. None on front of the bump because the ring rides in this area. Clear as MUD ???? Ron Richard Strobel wrote: Is the below what you meant Marv? If so I'm confused. I'm thinking that it was some kind of quick connect/disconnect assy., ..don't ask me why. I've almost googlized myself to death!! Thanks Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > > rick, > the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck > yoke ring to slide onto. > ______________ > (____ ______ > )__) > > > marv in minn > > > > > > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. > > Everything > > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > > tractor. > > > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > > but > > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > > > TIA > > RickinMt. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel Ron Frost Kersey, PA http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! From b2 at chooka.net Thu Sep 23 14:58:33 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:58:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <46.597b71a2.2e8499c6@aol.com> Message-ID: <00ae01c4a1b8$78511290$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering a saw blade? B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish > In a message dated 9/23/2004 2:39:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > curt at imc-group.com writes: > > << Hammering is a technique best left to the > experts. I had mine done by a fellow in SC years ago >> > > > Curt, > > I have always wanted to watch someone hammer a saw blade and what they look > for and how they correct it! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 23 15:45:32 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:45:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave Message-ID: <4153520C.1070402@scrtc.com> Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of the few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the SEL discussion that pops up from time to time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 23 15:21:49 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:21:49 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue References: <35885.199.62.0.252.1095950883.squirrel@admintool.trueband.net> Message-ID: <010a01c4a1c1$ce868920$2f0d1bd3@athlon> Hey Arnie, Ya got me!! My turn for the 'coffee snort' Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > I've almost googlized myself to death!! > > Hey Rick, > > Better stop that!! Not only will you grow hair on your palms, you'll go > blind!! > > See ya, Arnie > > PS - I once knew a gal who suffered from Truck Tongue. In addition to > being able to lick chrome off a bumper, she could suck-start a Harley! > Wotta gal!! 8-)) > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 23 16:04:29 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:04:29 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Associated Engine Pin Message-ID: <4153567D.5010307@scrtc.com> Here is a neat pin that's on Ebay. I know that Steve Barr collects this type item. The seller has some similar items for sale as well. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=828&item=7102584901&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From fero_ah at city-net.com Thu Sep 23 16:25:09 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave In-Reply-To: <4153520C.1070402@scrtc.com> References: <4153520C.1070402@scrtc.com> Message-ID: Bwahahahaha!!! That would look soooo good on those red suspenders!! On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Judge Tommy Turner wrote: > Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of > the few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the > SEL discussion that pops up from time to time. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 From namhel at supernet.com Thu Sep 23 16:33:56 2004 From: namhel at supernet.com (LYNN LEHMAN) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:33:56 -0400 Subject: [SEL] contact information Message-ID: <410-220049423233356592@supernet.com> Jeff, he lives in central PA contact me and I can tell you what I know. From lcjudge at scrtc.com Thu Sep 23 17:37:37 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:37:37 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave Message-ID: <41536C51.70601@scrtc.com> I sent this a couple of hours ago but it hasn't showed up on the SEL yet. Thought I would send it again to get the info to Dave ASAP and to see how long it took this one to make it. Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of the few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the SEL discussion that pops up from time to time. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 17:42:10 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:42:10 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. References: <20040923214855.92502.qmail@web14103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the reply's. Marv sent the dwg. and I finally understood. Then John C. backed it up with this: http://horsedrawn.net/cgi-bin/miva.cgi?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PLST&Store_Code=HD Again...Thank you all!! Had a great day today plumbing in the gas tank and then my machinist bud, Corky..alias "Spudhead" came out and we did some shimstock and talked over his IHC "M". He's got the bug now and he reminds me of a surgeon workin' everything loose. Tonight he got the ultimate sinkin' feelin' when he removed the mag and half a dozen gear teeth stayed in the cam gear..potmetal ya know. I assured him new rebuilt mag's were available....so we toasted to the vendor's. Again it took all the restraint I had to keep from priming the little gal and see if she'd fire off. I just went over to Eco and she fires off on the back kick every time...let's not go there. As for the sawblade,,,if it wobbles I got about 4 more to pick from take care ya'll RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Frost, Kersey, PA" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > Rick, > What Marv has shown is correct. What it is , is a piece of say, 3/16" X 1" > steel bend to fit over the dia. of the tounge and extending an inch or so > out past the end of the tounge. On the under side the steel is bent down, > say 3" or so from the front end, back straight, up, then straight again. > This creates a bump or stop for the ring so the tounge can't slide > through. Bolts are added from the top through the steel, both top and > bottom behind the bump you added. None on front of the bump because the > ring rides in this area. > Clear as MUD ???? > Ron > > Richard Strobel wrote: > Is the below what you meant Marv? If so I'm confused. I'm thinking that it > was some kind of quick connect/disconnect assy., ..don't ask me why. > > I've almost googlized myself to death!! > > Thanks > Rick > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MARVIN HEDBERG" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. > > > > > > rick, > > the horse pole would have an end iron something like this for the neck > > yoke ring to slide onto. > > ______________ > > (____ ______ > > )__) > > > > > > marv in minn > > > > > > > > > > > > Question please.....Originally what would the metal(?) end of a sawrig > > > truck(s) tongue look like?....if a harnessed up team was used. > > > Everything > > > around here looks like it's been converting to fit the drawbar on a > > > tractor. > > > > > > I plan on turning and installing a wooden "T-handle" for man handling > > > but > > > can I also incorporate an OEM metal end? > > > > > > TIA > > > RickinMt. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > Ron Frost > Kersey, PA > http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4070123&a=30427007&f=0 > > http://community.webshots.com/user/ron15846 > > " Collector of other peoples cultured merchandise " > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Thu Sep 23 17:44:32 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:44:32 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: Thanks Pip...I'll oiler up and see what I get. Take Care, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish > Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw > blade? > I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > = = = = = = = > Hi Rick, > > I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. > > If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The > oil gave a nice dark finish. > > > Joe "Pip" Betz said that. > jlb94 at juno.com > ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days > \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." > (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From johnculp at chartertn.net Thu Sep 23 18:17:38 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:17:38 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Truck Tongue metal end. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866923C8-0DC7-11D9-8864-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> 86 degrees here today, Rick! :-D John On Sep 23, 2004, at 9:47 AM, Richard Strobel wrote: > > Howdy all; > Well fall is here and we've already had our first snow. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Thu Sep 23 18:41:47 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:41:47 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <46.597b71a2.2e8499c6@aol.com> <00ae01c4a1b8$78511290$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Message-ID: <038f01c4a1d7$a7c03a50$0400a8c0@Dave> > Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering a > saw blade? > B? Hi B2, To hammer a saw blade you need one saw blade and a hammer. I've always seen it done by striking the former with the latter. Dave PS, Buy em books, send em to school and they eat the covers off the damn things! From briwatt at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 23 19:02:40 2004 From: briwatt at optusnet.com.au (Brian Watts) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:02:40 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Neway? Message-ID: <005c01c4a1da$93cc78d0$49baa4cb@fred> We have just bought a Neway Vertical .air cooled engine, No I.D. tag on eng. cuold be 3 1/2 hp. any help on how to identify hp & model ? engine is missing cam gear, has anyone got a spare.? Brian in Melbourne Australia. From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Sep 23 20:13:12 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:13:12 EDT Subject: [SEL] What's it fit Message-ID: This is not a New Way cyl so does anyone have an idea what it does fit? Click here: eBay item 3842050915 (Ends Sep-30-04 17:21:34 PDT) - New Way Hit & Miss Gas Engine Cylinder #10052 NR Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From oldengin at udata.com Thu Sep 23 20:49:39 2004 From: oldengin at udata.com (Leroy C.) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:49:39 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish In-Reply-To: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> References: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> Message-ID: <41539953.2030900@udata.com> blade? >I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. >= = = = = = = >Hi Rick, > >I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. > >If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The >oil gave a nice dark finish. > > > > > Rick, I would now be a little scared of the newly sandblasted blade. Take it to an old timer and see what he tells you about it. Hammering a blade, I though, was for blades of 48 inch or larger, seems they want to wobble when running and hammering the blade will stop this wobble. See you can hammer right or left handed blades and you hammer at a given speed of the blade. Also hammering was for blades with the removable teeth. Now I might be wrong here as it has been over 23 years since I last worked with the big blade and with the circular mill. My brother has a band saw now and he cuts mostly telephone poles. If you think you want to try this newly sandblasted blade then here is what I would try.... Install blade keep everyone and everything away from the direct line of the blade, sharpen the teeth and start cutting small, about 3 inch, limbs. The wood will drag at first then will start cutting easier. Cottonwood is good to saw cause it is full of sap, cools the blade, after about 20 minutes shut down blade and feel it for heat, it should have a little at the blade hub, if any at all. Have you ever set a saws kerf? I still have one of the hand tools to do this with, also we would SWEDGE the teeth on the big mill cause you could not set kerf.. And on a chain saw you would file the rakes..... ever see a chain saw race? they always use a wore out chain. We would oil the blade every so often but not make a habit of it, if she was running hot she would get oil or if it was to set for a long time ( hardly never happened) she would get some oil on her. My sawyer could have been a rich man cause of some of the ideas he had and did. We would work a woods with only a flat bed truck and an old wc ac. No tracks, no lost young timber and easy to do. Man those days where fun, for 3.00 per hour! PS ever seen a doyle log scale? -- C-ya Leroy Clark "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." W.A. NANCE better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Thu Sep 23 21:31:10 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:31:10 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 9/23/04 9:09 AM, "Richard Strobel" wrote: > Any suggestions as what kind of finish to use on the circular saw blade? > I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > > Also thinking about using cold Gun-Bluing on the flywheel faces. Whatcha > all think? > Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it looks like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give it a light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA From fsarm at netnitco.net Thu Sep 23 21:39:17 2004 From: fsarm at netnitco.net (Fred Armstrong) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:39:17 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at a nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. Fred Armstrong From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 23 22:01:15 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] What's it fit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040924050115.63142.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Looks a lot like the cylinder off of an OLD Grevely walk behind garden tractor. Joe P.S. Hope family life is suiting you well! --- Aermoter at aol.com wrote: > This is not a New Way cyl so does anyone have an idea what it does fit? > > Click here: eBay item 3842050915 (Ends Sep-30-04 17:21:34 PDT) - New Way > Hit & > Miss Gas Engine Cylinder #10052 NR > > Tim Christoff > Basehor, Ks. > Aermoter at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From holdermanacres at kconline.com Fri Sep 24 05:35:06 2004 From: holdermanacres at kconline.com (Stan Holderman) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:35:06 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> Message-ID: <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set up many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took our canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has been a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning > for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at a > nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed > not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. > Fred Armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Carrowor at comcast.net Fri Sep 24 05:49:10 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:49:10 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Message-ID: <415417C6.000001.02076@NOTEBOOK> Could someone please provide directions to the NIHPA show? -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/24/04 08:37:44 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set up many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took our canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has been a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Armstrong" To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning > for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at a > nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed > not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. > Fred Armstrong > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Fri Sep 24 06:45:28 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 07:45:28 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish References: <20040923.154747.1012.3.jlb94@juno.com> <41539953.2030900@udata.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the replies, suggestions, and cautions. Will be careful with this blade and discard it if it doesn't behave itself. I was also under the impression that wobble only occurred in the larger blades. Leroy..never seen a doyle log scale...I don't think. Enlighten me. Nice job Kelley. The bluing looks great. Take care ya'll RickinMt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leroy C." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish > blade? > > >I believe it's ~30 inches in diameter. I've got it blasted now. > >= = = = = = = > >Hi Rick, > > > >I wire wheeled mine to get the heavy rust off - then kept it oiled. > > > >If you're going to use it, I wouldn't try for a real nice finish. The > >oil gave a nice dark finish. > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, I would now be a little scared of the newly sandblasted blade. > Take it to an old timer and see what he tells you about it. Hammering a > blade, I though, was for blades of 48 inch or larger, seems they want to > wobble when running and hammering the blade will stop this wobble. See > you can hammer right or left handed blades and you hammer at a given > speed of the blade. Also hammering was for blades with the removable > teeth. Now I might be wrong here as it has been over 23 years since I > last worked with the big blade and with the circular mill. My brother > has a band saw now and he cuts mostly telephone poles. If you think you > want to try this newly sandblasted blade then here is what I would try.... > Install blade keep everyone and everything away from the direct line of > the blade, sharpen the teeth and start cutting small, about 3 inch, > limbs. The wood will drag at first then will start cutting easier. > Cottonwood is good to saw cause it is full of sap, cools the blade, > after about 20 minutes shut down blade and feel it for heat, it should > have a little at the blade hub, if any at all. Have you ever set a saws > kerf? I still have one of the hand tools to do this with, also we would > SWEDGE the teeth on the big mill cause you could not set kerf.. And on > a chain saw you would file the rakes..... ever see a chain saw race? > they always use a wore out chain. We would oil the blade every so often > but not make a habit of it, if she was running hot she would get oil or > if it was to set for a long time ( hardly never happened) she would get > some oil on her. My sawyer could have been a rich man cause of some of > the ideas he had and did. We would work a woods with only a flat bed > truck and an old wc ac. No tracks, no lost young timber and easy to do. > Man those days where fun, for 3.00 per hour! > PS ever seen a doyle log scale? > > -- > C-ya > > Leroy Clark > > "We make a living by what we get; we make a life by what we give." > W.A. NANCE > > > better look here--- http://www.oldengine.org/members/lclark > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 07:20:32 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:20:32 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Kelley, I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? Dad always had what he called linseed oil around the house when we were growing up. Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had never heard of the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home with the linseed oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really don't quite know what to purchase. You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. Curt Holland Gastonia, NC P.S. Great tip on browning compound. Had never heard of this either. Kelley Garcia wrote: >Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it looks >like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html >If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. >After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give it a >light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 08:50:35 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:35 -0400 Subject: OT [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show In-Reply-To: <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> References: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Message-ID: <4154424B.1030901@imc-group.com> Stan, Sorry you missed the show but good on you for exercising your objection to the cost of the electricity. The windfall profit being made is worth making an issue of. I've heard grumbling about these kinds of charges especially at the Arden show. I'm not a camper that needs electrical hookups (we are primitive in our horse trailer) but taking a look at the numbers reveals some pretty healthy profit. Typical household electric cost are 8 cents per kw-hr. In the peak of AC season we have a $100 electric bill for our home. That works out to 1250 kw-hrs for 30 days of usage or 42 kw-hrs per day. You were planning on camping for 2 or 3 days right? The $30 at a cost of 8 cents per kw-hr assumes you will use 375 kw-hrs! That's the equivalent of my peak household power consumption during AC season for 9 DAYS! This means they are making 3 to 4 times what the electricity is costing. There is no way you use that much power in a simple camper even running the small AC unit! Reg has been instrumental in forcing directors to look at and review costs that are out of line in Australia. You've started the process yourself at your local show. It would be good to follow your return trip home with a letter to the show organizers explaining your position. You might be surprised at the results and perhaps you and your fellow engine hobbyists will enjoy a less expensive show next year. Are there other shows that have electric costs that seem out of line? Curt Holland Gastonia, NC Stan Holderman wrote: >Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, >drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people >there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set up >many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked >for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for >electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson >stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that >was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy >discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took our >canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has been >a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. >Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Fred Armstrong" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM >Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > >>Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the morning >>for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at >> >> >a > > >>nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. Guaranteed >>not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. >>Fred Armstrong >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From jhcullom at adelphia.net Fri Sep 24 08:47:20 2004 From: jhcullom at adelphia.net (John Cullom) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:47:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <005201c4a24d$c713ed90$6401a8c0@john> Not dumb at all. You just buy it in the can that way, it's sold as "Boiled Linseed Oil". I'm sure you've heard all the cautions in regards to handling it (rags left with it on them will self ignite). John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 09:20:50 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:20:50 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil Message-ID: Curt, You buy the linseed oil already boiled right off the shelf. It says "Boiled Linseed Oil" right on the container. You don't need a large container as a little goes a long way. I think I bought a quart or so and haven't even made a dent in it. I put it on straight without mixing it. It takes about 24 hours to dry. Just use a rag, put it over the opening of the container, splash a little on the rag ane start wiping. Use sparingly. You'll see once you get started. Just don't lay it on really thick. The rags will burst into flames in you toss them in the corner of the garage so be careful what you do with the rags when your done applying the boiled linseed oil. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ====================== >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:20:32 -0400 > >Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had never heard of >the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home with the linseed >oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? >Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really >don't quite know what to purchase. >You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? >Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From flywheelin at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 09:30:37 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:30:37 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Dave Message-ID: Or if you rooting for the other candidate. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4103&item=3931816438 Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ======================= >From: Judge Tommy Turner > >Well, I've found Dave Rotigel's perfect engine item. This is one of the >few items I've seen thats "on topic" but still covers some of the SEL >discussion that pops up from time to time. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50790&item=6120691370&rd=1 > >Tommy Turner >Magnolia, KY _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 24 09:58:19 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] linseed oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Curt, Just a couple of things to add to what Luke wrote. Look at the can carefully in the paint department. They'll have cans of Raw Linseed Oil and cans of Boiled Linseed Oil sitting side by side. The raw stuff takes something like six years to dry. Like Luke said, a THIN coat. Thin, thin, thin! You may also be thinking of another, less durable, treatment. Namely a 50-50 mix of kero and NON-detergent motor oil. It gives the same "look" as the boiled linseed oil, but has the disadvantages of collecting dust and needing to be re-applied from time to time. As to the linseed oil rags, you have three choices. Seal 'em in an air-tight metal container, hang 'em on the hedges until they are DRY, or run 'em through the laundry. That linseed oil generates a lot of heat as it drys. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > You buy the linseed oil already boiled right off the shelf. It says "Boiled > Linseed Oil" right on the container. You don't need a large container as a > little goes a long way. I think I bought a quart or so and haven't even made > a dent in it. I put it on straight without mixing it. It takes about 24 > hours to dry. Just use a rag, put it over the opening of the container, > splash a little on the rag ane start wiping. Use sparingly. You'll see once > you get started. Just don't lay it on really thick. The rags will burst > into flames in you toss them in the corner of the garage so be careful what > you do with the rags when your done applying the boiled linseed oil. > ====================== > > >Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had never heard of > >the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home with the linseed > >oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? > >Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really > >don't quite know what to purchase. > >You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? > >Curt Holland From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 24 10:16:29 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Arnie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Luke, Thanks, I'm on that like a duck on a June bug! 8-)) See ya, Arnie On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > Or if you rooting for the other candidate. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4103&item=3931816438 From fero_ah at city-net.com Fri Sep 24 10:18:47 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] OT - eBay item# 3932162514: ANTI BUSH CHENEY TWO BIGGER BOOBS PIN Message-ID: Hiya Folks, I've asked the seller if he has one of these with Kerry / Edwards photos. 8-)) See ya, Arnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- To view this item, go to: http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=888801&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D3932162514%26category%3D4103%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 10:52:41 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:52:41 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <005201c4a24d$c713ed90$6401a8c0@john> References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> <005201c4a24d$c713ed90$6401a8c0@john> Message-ID: <41545EE9.5000101@imc-group.com> John, Luke, Thanks for the info on boiled linseed oil. Is boiled thicker than regular linseed? What does it do differently? Seems like dad added the regular stuff to paint.... Curt John Cullom wrote: > Not dumb at all. You just buy it in the can that way, it's sold as > "Boiled Linseed Oil". I'm sure you've heard all the cautions in > regards to handling it (rags left with it on them will self ignite). > John > > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 24 11:02:23 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:02:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > What really is "boiled" linseed oil? It's had something done to it that makes it dry quicker. Boiled on metal takes less than a week to dry, raw will take forever -- well over a week. The results are the same. Don't let anyone talk you into using raw. The results will be exactly the same, but you'll grow old waiting for the raw to dry. > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay > and we really don't quite know what to purchase. Have her put a dab behind each ear. The smell is delicious. Either raw or boiled would be suitable for this application. The added benefit is that she'd then be waterproof. > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? No. Dampen a rag with straight linseed oil, and wipe it on THINLY. You want it to be as thin as if you just wiped it off. If you put it on heavy, wipe it off. Don't use a lot. Apply sparingly. Put it on thick, and you'll be sorry. As thin as possible, ok? Get the picture? Don't dilute it. You want the linseed oil to dry to an impervious finish. If you want an oily finish, use oil. After the application, go away for the better part of a week. Linseed oil is good on bare or rusty metal, distressed original paint, exhaust pipes and fire boxes. Don't use it on shiny paint. On freshly machined surfaces, the color of the linseed oil might be visible. Properly applied, you'll have the "oily look" that doesn't attract dust or wash off with water. What's the condition of Missy's New Way, and what is the desired finished look? Rob P.S. Listen to John about the rags. I lay 'em out flat beside the garage, so if they spontaneously combust, they won't create a larger fire. Or you could roll them up and smoke 'em as you cruise around in that Hippy Love Bus of yours. From nick at holden1.net Fri Sep 24 11:18:56 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:18:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil References: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41546510.000001.03400@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi Is raw linseed oil ok for wood as i have a Lister Kibiling Mill with some original paint and i want to protect the wood and paint from the rain Thanks Nick -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/24/04 19:04:05 To: 'The SEL email discussion list' Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil > What really is "boiled" linseed oil? It's had something done to it that makes it dry quicker. Boiled on metal takes less than a week to dry, raw will take forever -- well over a week. The results are the same. Don't let anyone talk you into using raw. The results will be exactly the same, but you'll grow old waiting for the raw to dry. > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay > and we really don't quite know what to purchase. Have her put a dab behind each ear. The smell is delicious. Either raw or boiled would be suitable for this application. The added benefit is that she'd then be waterproof. > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? No. Dampen a rag with straight linseed oil, and wipe it on THINLY. You want it to be as thin as if you just wiped it off. If you put it on heavy, wipe it off. Don't use a lot. Apply sparingly. Put it on thick, and you'll be sorry. As thin as possible, ok? Get the picture? Don't dilute it. You want the linseed oil to dry to an impervious finish. If you want an oily finish, use oil. After the application, go away for the better part of a week. Linseed oil is good on bare or rusty metal, distressed original paint, exhaust pipes and fire boxes. Don't use it on shiny paint. On freshly machined surfaces, the color of the linseed oil might be visible. Properly applied, you'll have the "oily look" that doesn't attract dust or wash off with water What's the condition of Missy's New Way, and what is the desired finished look? Rob P.S. Listen to John about the rags. I lay 'em out flat beside the garage, so if they spontaneously combust, they won't create a larger fire. 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It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From andyglines at hotmail.com Fri Sep 24 11:24:17 2004 From: andyglines at hotmail.com (Andy Glines) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:24:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] FW: Casting Filler Message-ID: >When I blasted the Huber I opened up several casting >voids that had been filled at the factory. I need to >fill these again but I'm not sure what to use. I need >something that will stand up to 300 degrees F. Any suggestions? > >===== >Andy Glines >Evansville, IN > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rskinner at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 24 12:10:55 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:10:55 -0700 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <41546510.000001.03400@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <200409241910.i8OJAwYI047995@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hi Is raw linseed oil ok for wood as i have a Lister > Kibiling Mill with some original paint and i want to protect > the wood and paint from the rain Hey Nick, Linseed oil is great on wood (linseed oil finish on gun stocks). Like the other comments for using it on metal, boiled linseed oil will dry faster. On wood, especially weathered wood, you can slop it on heavier and let it soak in. BUT, make sure you wipe it so it ends up a thin coat on the surface. Any degree of thickness will turn to a gummy mess that is hard to remove. If you check out the roller mill or orchard sprayer on our web page, both of those have been treated with linseed oil. The wood was originally light colored and crumbly. The linseed oil spiffied it right up. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jg.hammink at quicknet.nl Fri Sep 24 12:19:07 2004 From: jg.hammink at quicknet.nl (John Hammink) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:19:07 +0200 Subject: [SEL] FW: Casting Filler References: Message-ID: <001301c4a26b$5d26f0d0$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> Andy, maybe a little expensive, but JB-W will do the job for that temperature. John Hammink Anna Paulowna, Netherlands. jg.hammink at quicknet.nl >When I blasted the Huber I opened up several casting >voids that had been filled at the factory. I need to >fill these again but I'm not sure what to use. I need >something that will stand up to 300 degrees F. Any suggestions? > >===== >Andy Glines >Evansville, IN > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _________________________________________________________________ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From lcjudge at scrtc.com Fri Sep 24 12:44:17 2004 From: lcjudge at scrtc.com (Judge Tommy Turner) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:44:17 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <41547911.8070006@scrtc.com> Rob, I sometimes thin the boiled linseed oil with mineral spirits. I've not noticed a great difference in the finished result other than the thinned will be a "lighter" coat. I also have mixed a little oil based paint with it at times to give it a tint. For example, if you have an original IHC Famous that has some original paint but quite a few bare spots, a teaspoon of oxblood red oil based paint in a pint of boiled linseed oil (thinned about 25% with mineral spirits) will make the bare spots much less visible. They then have a bit of a red tint to them and blend in better. Boiled linseed oil was used in a lot of oil based paint at the turn of the century (the 20th) to give it gloss. A heavy coat will have a glossy finish. This is another reason to make it as thin as possible. At times I've also used a Dupont Flattener to somewhat kill the gloss of the linseed oil. The best thing to do is experiment a little and be patient. Tommy Turner Magnolia, KY Rob Skinner wrote: >>What really is "boiled" linseed oil? > > From curt at imc-group.com Fri Sep 24 13:25:18 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:25:18 -0400 Subject: [SEL] re: Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409241802.i8OI2TYI023807@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <415482AE.4000407@imc-group.com> Rob Skinner wrote: > Have her put a dab behind each ear. The smell is delicious. I've heard of unusual olfactory fetishes but you've got one to top em all Rob! > >As thin as possible, ok? Get the picture? > > Got it! > > >What's the condition of Missy's New Way, and what is the desired finished look? > > > Hint of red on the flywheels, hint of green on the engine base, with several of the original flower details still there. Cooling fin are rusty iron looking. Would make a nice engine for the wet oiled/linseed treatment. >Rob >P.S. >Or you could roll them up and smoke 'em as you cruise around in that Hippy Love Bus of yours. > Still have the humongous bong found under the front seat of the bus that would hold a good dozen of these linseed soaked rags. Will invite all the neighbors for a toke! Curt From byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us Fri Sep 24 14:50:23 2004 From: byounger at ci.lenexa.ks.us (Bruce Younger) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:50:23 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Send'em to Canada Message-ID: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7022F7490@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> >>> Ya Joe , We could send all our prisoners up there, and the drug dealers and even some of the polititions , and maybe a few lawyers >>>Rex Rex, Ya keep repeatin' yerself.... Bruce Younger Lenexa, Kansas USA mailto:sluggo54 at hotmail.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail, including any files transmitted with it, is the property of the City of Lenexa, Kansas. It is confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual, or entity, to whom the e-mail is addressed. If you are not the named recipient, or otherwise have reason to believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the sender at (913) 477-7500 and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. From kgarcia at rustyiron.com Fri Sep 24 14:55:17 2004 From: kgarcia at rustyiron.com (Kelley Garcia) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:55:17 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil/now browning In-Reply-To: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: Hi Curt, I'd say the guys filled you in about linseed oil, both raw and boiled. As for browning, you can get the stuff at any good gun shop, as it is made by Birchwood Casey http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718. Or you can make up your own recipe if you like http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718 Or as some have said, you can just 'piss on it' (their terms, not mine!) Personally, I just couldn't bring myself to do something like that! Whichever way you go, have fun! -- Kelley Garcia La Habra, Ka. USA On 9/24/04 7:20 AM, "Curt" wrote: > Kelley, > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? Dad > always had what he called linseed oil around the house when we were > growing up. Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had > never heard of the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home > with the linseed oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really > don't quite know what to purchase. > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? > Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. > Curt Holland > Gastonia, NC > P.S. Great tip on browning compound. Had never heard of this either. > > Kelley Garcia wrote: > >> Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it looks >> like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html >> If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. >> After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give it a >> light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From johnculp at chartertn.net Fri Sep 24 15:10:33 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:10:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <8E3ADE27-0E76-11D9-9634-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? "Boiled Linseed Oil" is stuff that's sold under that name. There really are two kinds and no easy way to tell what you've got. One is basically raw linseed oil with Japan drier added to it to make it dry faster. The makers used to use lead and copper soaps or naphthenates, but in more recent years it has been usually the less toxic cobalt and manganese naphthenates. (Naphthenic acids are petroleum derivatives, kind of like fatty acids, but instead of straight chains they have saturated ring hydrocarbon structures attached to the carboxylic groups. So these salts are basically detergents, like soaps.) The metal ions promote free radical formation stimulating the oxidative polymerization of the oil. The same way metals from your babbitt bearings promote your engine oil sludging up with heat and oxygen. The other kind is simply raw linseed oil that's heated modestly, to about 150-200?C, and air is blown through it till it reaches a certain point of beginning oxidation without getting too thick and gummy for use. Since linseed oil's oxidation is self-catalyzing once started, this stuff dries much faster than raw linseed oil, which takes forever and a week. This "boiled linseed oil" is essentially the same as the "stand oil" used by artists for centuries, which is raw linseed oil left standing for months in a clear glass jar exposed to sunlight, with some air exposure. I recently did a search for MSDSs on boiled linseed oil and looked for any mention of metallic ingredients. My search wasn't exhaustive, but I looked at a bunch of them and couldn't find any. So I think most of the BLO on today's market is the preoxidized sort without metallic additives. That fits with my observation that it initially dries pretty quickly but stays in the gummy stage a lot longer than the leaded stuff used to. There is yet another product generically termed "polymerized linseed oil," sold under brand names like Tru-Oil and Lin-Speed. (Some of the "Danish Oils" fall into this category, too, while some of them are thin wiping varnishes.) It's been cooked at a higher temperature that directly breaks some of the double bonds in the fatty acids, which re-link with each other, forming polymers without the oxidation. These oils are very fast drying and dry to a hard, glossy shine like varnish. They're mostly sold in small quantities for gunstock finishing, but are NOT the stuff to use to get an old-fashioned oil finish on a stock. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rholtzer at earthlink.net Fri Sep 24 18:27:23 2004 From: rholtzer at earthlink.net (Robert L. Holtzer) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:27:23 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil In-Reply-To: <8E3ADE27-0E76-11D9-9634-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> References: <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> <41542D30.7070403@imc-group.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20040924182657.00c27e98@mail.earthlink.net> Try this site for linseed oil information http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/inflin.shtm Bob Holtzer At 06:10 PM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? > >"Boiled Linseed Oil" is stuff that's sold under that name. There really >are two kinds and no easy way to tell what you've got. One is basically >raw linseed oil with Japan drier added to it to make it dry faster. The >makers used to use lead and copper soaps or naphthenates, but in more >recent years it has been usually the less toxic cobalt and manganese >naphthenates. (Naphthenic acids are petroleum derivatives, kind of like >fatty acids, but instead of straight chains they have saturated ring >hydrocarbon structures attached to the carboxylic groups. So these salts >are basically detergents, like soaps.) The metal ions promote free radical >formation stimulating the oxidative polymerization of the oil. The same >way metals from your babbitt bearings promote your engine oil sludging up >with heat and oxygen. > >The other kind is simply raw linseed oil that's heated modestly, to about >150-200?C, and air is blown through it till it reaches a certain point of >beginning oxidation without getting too thick and gummy for use. Since >linseed oil's oxidation is self-catalyzing once started, this stuff dries >much faster than raw linseed oil, which takes forever and a week. This >"boiled linseed oil" is essentially the same as the "stand oil" used by >artists for centuries, which is raw linseed oil left standing for months >in a clear glass jar exposed to sunlight, with some air exposure. > >I recently did a search for MSDSs on boiled linseed oil and looked for any >mention of metallic ingredients. My search wasn't exhaustive, but I looked >at a bunch of them and couldn't find any. So I think most of the BLO on >today's market is the preoxidized sort without metallic additives. That >fits with my observation that it initially dries pretty quickly but stays >in the gummy stage a lot longer than the leaded stuff used to. > >There is yet another product generically termed "polymerized linseed oil," >sold under brand names like Tru-Oil and Lin-Speed. (Some of the "Danish >Oils" fall into this category, too, while some of them are thin wiping >varnishes.) It's been cooked at a higher temperature that directly breaks >some of the double bonds in the fatty acids, which re-link with each >other, forming polymers without the oxidation. These oils are very fast >drying and dry to a hard, glossy shine like varnish. They're mostly sold >in small quantities for gunstock finishing, but are NOT the stuff to use >to get an old-fashioned oil finish on a stock. > >John Culp >Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 24 18:37:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:37:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Engine Item for Arnie References: Message-ID: <001501c4a2a0$2ebea690$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Arnie, If that's your bid I won't run you up. Hope he has more. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [SEL] Engine Item for Arnie > Hi Luke, > > Thanks, I'm on that like a duck on a June bug! 8-)) > > See ya, Arnie > > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Luke Tonneberger wrote: > >> Or if you rooting for the other candidate. >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4103&item=3931816438 > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Fri Sep 24 21:32:15 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:32:15 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration Message-ID: <001501c4a2b8$a3435e80$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, Since I am new to the SEL list, I'll bring the SEL folks up to speed, as those on Jim's list already know. The Maytag restoration I put online is quite popular, and I promised to do the same with the first Sattley. The project started tonight, and more on that later in this message. I am a professional mechanic/Gomer/automotive technician. I have rebuilt automobile engines including a custom turbo Corvette engine. Nail second gear and you damn well better know how to keep the Vette from swapping ends. Great big grin? YES!! I now rebuild transmissions full time, and the modern computer controlled automatics are pretty sophisticated yet I make them work. The Sattley intimidates me, and that is part of the reason I have did not start the project sooner. First look can seen at: http://frapa.us/SR.html We got one head bolt out tonight and I don't like removing broken bolts. First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? I have no doubt there will be many more questions as this project continues, but I will document it and put it on my (Jim's space) website. I do believe I have an education coming, and hope to share it with others that are new to our hobby. Could I sell this information on E-bay? Perhaps I could. Won't do it though. Prefer to offer it for free to all that can use it. Call me a fool if you will, but I prefer to share what knowledge I have for free to my engine buddies. More online as the project moves forward. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 25 06:44:40 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:44:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn> <002d01c494cb$4f697600$ada226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Message-ID: <000c01c4a305$ce4a8250$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter ogborne" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > Thanks John, what a great pic .....I reckon i will go for yellow with red lettering . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hammink" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > > Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg > > John Hammink > > > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > > > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > > > Peter Ogborne Hi Peter, Have a look at http://www.robert-brandy.de/petrolania/petrol04.jpg Dave Croft Warrington From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 08:12:16 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:12:16 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil/now browning References: Message-ID: The original Browning Gun, eh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelley Garcia" To: "SEL" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Saw Outfit Blade finish/now linseed oil/now browning > Hi Curt, > I'd say the guys filled you in about linseed oil, both raw and boiled. As > for browning, you can get the stuff at any good gun shop, as it is made by > Birchwood Casey http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718. > Or you can make up your own recipe if you like > http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/137718 > Or as some have said, you can just 'piss on it' (their terms, not mine!) > Personally, I just couldn't bring myself to do something like that! > > Whichever way you go, have fun! > -- > Kelley Garcia > La Habra, Ka. > USA > > > > On 9/24/04 7:20 AM, "Curt" wrote: > > > Kelley, > > I have a really dumb question. What really is "boiled" linseed oil? Dad > > always had what he called linseed oil around the house when we were > > growing up. Until it was mentioned on the list several years ago I had > > never heard of the boiled kind. Is this something I have to do at home > > with the linseed oil or is it already boiled when I buy it? > > Reason I ask is that Missy needs to put some on her NewWay and we really > > don't quite know what to purchase. > > You apply a mix of boiled linseed and oil correct? 50/50? > > Thanks for being patient with my dumb question. > > Curt Holland > > Gastonia, NC > > P.S. Great tip on browning compound. Had never heard of this either. > > > > Kelley Garcia wrote: > > > >> Rob and I have used bluing with very good results. To see what it > >> looks > >> like, check out http://rustyiron.com/engines/stable/style-d.html > >> If you want to give that saw blade that aged rusty look, use browning. > >> After you have treated the metal with the bluing or browning, then give > >> it a > >> light coat of boiled linseed oil or just regular ol' oil. > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Sep 25 08:34:42 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:34:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration Message-ID: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> In a message dated 9/25/2004 12:27:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, transteck at earthlink.net writes: << First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? >> Jeff, You will find that there are as many opinions to the best penetrant as there are brands out there. I like Gibbs, and PB blaster. But the best one is the flame wrench!!! Heat/cooling works wonders! Mr. Maytag looks like he has his act together1 Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 25 09:24:26 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration In-Reply-To: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> References: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> Message-ID: And worst case? You can use the torch to burn the broken stud stub out of the threaded hole in the cast iron without damaging the threads. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > transteck at earthlink.net writes: > << First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? >> > > You will find that there are as many opinions to the best penetrant as there > are brands out there. I like Gibbs, and PB blaster. But the best one is the > flame wrench!!! Heat/cooling works wonders! > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 09:04:36 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:04:36 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension Message-ID: Howdy again; I don't know if I can do it, but I'd like to be able to disengage the belt tensioner on the saw outfit and have the blade stop. The pulley's are 24" and 6" in diameter. This makes the belt circumference 176" If I make the belt as long as possible so that when the tensioner is disengaged, and I have the most slop availabe, do ya'll think the belt will slip and the blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. TIA RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From johnculp at chartertn.net Sat Sep 25 09:35:57 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:35:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think it will stop without applying some sort of brake. FYI, "the ultimate belt tension" is what I experience after going to Chaco's for lunch after church. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 09:43:06 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:43:06 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley resoration References: <1e.3436aa5e.2e86ea12@aol.com> Message-ID: Roger that Arnie..had to burn one out on the Galloway. Penetrant....I like electrolysis also. Use whatever I see on sale..PB for now. Corky's using some Kroil..not sure but we may be impressed. Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Sattley resoration > And worst case? You can use the torch to burn the broken stud stub out of > the threaded hole in the cast iron without damaging the threads. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 Germoamer at aol.com wrote: > > > transteck at earthlink.net writes: > > << First question is: What is the best penetrating oil to use? >> > > > > You will find that there are as many opinions to the best penetrant as > > there > > are brands out there. I like Gibbs, and PB blaster. But the best one > > is the > > flame wrench!!! Heat/cooling works wonders! > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 10:05:18 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:05:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension References: Message-ID: Recommend ya just bite the bullett and go with 'spenders, Doc. and while you're at it, cut the top button off the britches. Sad but true Guarateed you'll feel better. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Culp" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension > I don't think it will stop without applying some sort of brake. > > FYI, "the ultimate belt tension" is what I experience after going to > Chaco's for lunch after church. > > John Culp > Bristol, Tennessee, USA > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sat Sep 25 10:26:40 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:26:40 -0600 Subject: [SEL] IHC low tension mag "M" 1.5hp Message-ID: Well not only is the gear on the "M" mag shot it is pretty much stuck also. Will we find swollen pot metal inside like on the JD mag? This is the "L" model. What is the correct fix? Thanks gang RickinMt. http://community.webshots.com/user/stroberc From fero_ah at city-net.com Sat Sep 25 10:40:15 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick, I think all you'll achieve is a lot of belt flop and still have a saw blade driving well enough to remove an arm. Spring the bucks for a clutch pulley for the engine. After looking for ~6 years, I finally found one at Portland for my Light Six Sandwich buzz saw rig. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > I don't know if I can do it, but I'd like to be able to disengage the belt > tensioner on the saw outfit and have the blade stop. The pulley's are 24" > and 6" in diameter. This makes the belt circumference 176" If I make the > belt as long as possible so that when the tensioner is disengaged, and I > have the most slop availabe, do ya'll think the belt will slip and the > blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. From Germoamer at aol.com Sat Sep 25 10:52:11 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:52:11 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <1a5.28d672dd.2e870a4b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/23/2004 9:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rotigel at alltel.net writes: << > Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering a > saw blade? > B? >> Log cutting circular saw blades can wobble while at cutting speed. This is usually from over heating/hitting some metal in the log/etc. They need to run straight and true to cut properly. Hammering is done by laying the blade down on something and taking a hammer and beating the saw at particular locations to make it run true. The old folks used to lay it on a flat stump or section of log. The hammering puts some stress in the metal which in turn takes out the wobble. Think about hammering a small piece of metal on one side down its length. The more you hammer, the more the metal will start bowing. Also, the blade is slightly dished toward the side of the cut, i.e., the side of the log from which the board is being cut. This dish side also depends on whether you have a right hand or left hand cutting saw mill. Many a person has purchased a used saw blade and found it to be not suitable for their mill, because the blade was dished for a different hand cut mill. To my limited knowledge, hammering of saw blades if for filed tooth or insert tooth blades. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 24 14:41:45 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:41:45 -0500 Subject: [SEL] 30-60 Russell, over $1/4 mil References: <6172C272932EDD4DBF5A76B52F4186A7022F734C@ch-mail1.ci.lenexa.ks.us> Message-ID: <002801c4a285$80fe0e20$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> > Unbelievable auction: > http://tinyurl.com/3p259 yeah , thats the word for it . Koresh's Camaro is on the block this weekend in Fredericksburg Dont miss that one From jopeter at omninet.net.au Sat Sep 25 16:12:00 2004 From: jopeter at omninet.net.au (peter ogborne) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:12:00 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol container References: <000b01c4946a$e94d54a0$93a226ca@ogborneuah38i3><000501c4949d$2bb86e60$e19a49d5@Sixmjohn><002d01c494cb$4f697600$ada226ca@ogborneuah38i3> <000c01c4a305$ce4a8250$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: <000a01c4a355$13c32400$8aa226ca@ogborneuah38i3> Thanks Dave , red and yellow is the colour it seems . My container ,quite common i believe has the SHELL lettering running vertically on the narrowest of the two sides ,the letters are ,whats the word,not embossed but ''Indented ''into the metal. BTW, were you able to see Tim Maicaire 's TRUSTY running at Astle.........looks beautiful . Ours is progressing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peter ogborne" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > > > > Thanks John, what a great pic .....I reckon i will go for yellow with red > lettering . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Hammink" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Shell petrol container > > > Peter, maybe there is an idea in this picture. > > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/hammink/shell.jpg > > > John Hammink > > > > Does anyone happen to know what the original colour was of these metal > > > > ,rectangular ,two gallon containers, those with SHELL on both sides. > > > > Peter Ogborne > > Hi Peter, Have a look at http://www.robert-brandy.de/petrolania/petrol04.jpg > Dave Croft > Warrington > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Sun Sep 26 06:51:42 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 07:51:42 -0600 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension References: Message-ID: Yea, that would be the ultimate Arn. I'll just go with the original for now. later, RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnie Fero" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension > Hi Rick, > > I think all you'll achieve is a lot of belt flop and still have a saw > blade driving well enough to remove an arm. > > Spring the bucks for a clutch pulley for the engine. > > After looking for ~6 years, I finally found one at Portland for my Light > Six Sandwich buzz saw rig. > > See ya, Arnie > > Arnie Fero > Pittsburgh, PA > fero_ah at city-net.com > > On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, Richard Strobel wrote: > > > I don't know if I can do it, but I'd like to be able to disengage the > > belt > > tensioner on the saw outfit and have the blade stop. The pulley's are > > 24" > > and 6" in diameter. This makes the belt circumference 176" If I make > > the > > belt as long as possible so that when the tensioner is disengaged, and I > > have the most slop availabe, do ya'll think the belt will slip and the > > blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From nick at holden1.net Sun Sep 26 07:15:36 2004 From: nick at holden1.net (nick) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 15:15:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Message-ID: <4156CF08.000003.03160@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Hi can anyone tell me the timing for a 1 1/2 HP headless as the book i have says Exhaust opens at 20 degrees before outer dead Centre and closes 5 degrees after inner dead Centre and the igniter snaps at 20 degrees before inner dead Centre but the two cannot seam to work unless the trip arm on this engine is to long Thanks Nick From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 26 07:44:45 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:44:45 EDT Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse Message-ID: <9f.4e0383b5.2e882fdd@aol.com> Nick, The numbers sound about right for all three. Will it work if the firing is somewhat closer to TDC like 10 degrees before. How about the crank gear/cam gear meshing. Has the engine been torn down and the gears meshed at the wrong teeth? If the three cannot be set now, it sounds like the gears are not set properly throwing off the timing. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rskinner at rustyiron.com Sun Sep 26 08:21:47 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 08:21:47 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse In-Reply-To: <4156CF08.000003.03160@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <200409261521.i8QFLnYI054132@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Hi can anyone tell me the timing for a 1 1/2 HP headless > as the book i have > says Exhaust opens at 20 degrees before outer dead Centre and > closes 5 degrees after inner dead Centre and the igniter > snaps at 20 degrees before inner dead Centre but the two > cannot seam to work > unless the trip arm on this engine is to long > Thanks Nick Hi Nick, There IS the possibility that some prankster has surreptitiously switched your pushrod while you were sleeping ;-) I'll bet that your engine just needs a little bit of adjustment. First off, forget about the ignition timing. That's the last step. Since you seem to know about measuring the position of the crankshaft, we won't talk about that, either. The problem is probably going to be finding the correct meshing of the crank/cam gears and the correct valve lash adjustment. If you've meshed the gears according to the marks, that's a fine place to start. Don't bet your life on those marks being correct. Now rotate the crankshaft through all the cycles, noting when the exhaust valve opens and closes. Let's say it's opening at 30 degrees before the ODC, and closing at 5 degress before TDC. We can see that BOTH valve events are occurring 10 degrees early. That tells us that the cam is ADVANCED from where we want it to be. Do whatever it takes to unmesh the gears, and then advance the crankshaft a bit, or retard the camshaft a bit. Then re-test to see where things happen. It's easy to goof up when you're playing with the gears. Now lets say that we rotated the crankshaft and watched the valve and saw something a little different. Lets say that the exhaust valve is opening at 10 degrees before ODC and is closing 5 degrees before TDC. We are seeing that it's opening late and closing early. In an instance such as this, we can DECREASE the valve lash. The valve will open earlier, and close later. Play with these two variables until you get the valve opening and closing where you want it. Also, don't get hung up on the 20 and 5 that are in the manual. For opening, anywhere from 30 to 0 will be acceptable. Bigger numbers are better for faster running engines, smaller numbers are better for slower running engines. Now that you've got the valve timing exactly where you want it, move on to the ignition timing, but don't touch the two variables that you've just set. You'll have her dialed in in no time. Rob =-=-=-=-=-= Rob Skinner La Habra, California www.rustyiron.com From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 26 09:12:01 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 12:12:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <20040926.122310.596.4.jlb94@juno.com> The old folks used to lay it on a flat stump or section of log. The hammering puts some stress in the metal which in turn takes out the wobble. = = = = = = = I had a brother in the Body Shop Business that could shrink & expand body metal with a hammer & dolly block. I always thought that was - like - magic. As a matter of fact - I still do. I think, If I started beating on a saw blade - - - It's next life would be as a piece of decor on the wall. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From jlb94 at juno.com Sun Sep 26 08:51:13 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:51:13 -0400 Subject: [SEL] The ultimate belt tension Message-ID: <20040926.122310.596.3.jlb94@juno.com> do ya'll think the belt will slip and the blade will stop? Personally I doubt it, but thot I'd ask. = = = Hi Rick, Nope - The blade won't stop. Understand that belts "pull". The tensioner stops the belt from slipping and gives more pulling power - but - relieving the tensioner will not stop the blade. It will release some power from the belt but not all. Unless - You jamb a log into the blade to hold it and make the belt slip. Thanks for the opp. Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From Germoamer at aol.com Sun Sep 26 11:50:51 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:50:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <1d1.2b9b6d93.2e88698b@aol.com> In a message dated 9/26/04 12:46:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlb94 at juno.com writes: << I think, If I started beating on a saw blade - - - It's next life would be as a piece of decor on the wall. >> I am not sure I could do that good!! Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 26 13:28:09 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:28:09 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bamford 6HP throttle governed Message-ID: <005001c4a407$57802a00$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Croft" To: "atis" Cc: "oldengine" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: Bamford 6HP throttle governed > I remember someone wanting pictures of this but I have > lost all details in a computer crash. > At Widnes show today I managed to get a couple of pictures. > See http://community.webshots.com/album/192199050weFAes > I hope these help. > Dave Croft From diesel at easynet.co.uk Sun Sep 26 13:41:50 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:41:50 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Fw: Bamford 6HP throttle governed In-Reply-To: <005001c4a407$57802a00$6b856ad5@no1> References: <005001c4a407$57802a00$6b856ad5@no1> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:28:09 +0100, you wrote: >> I remember someone wanting pictures of this but I have >> lost all details in a computer crash. >> At Widnes show today I managed to get a couple of pictures. >> See http://community.webshots.com/album/192199050weFAes >> I hope these help. >> Dave Croft It was George Best if my memory serves me correctly, Dave. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From paul at semidiesel.com Sun Sep 26 16:16:39 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:16:39 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Guys, Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around the world and we hope we have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive this lengthy email. The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large number of visitors from all over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant applications that should hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines installed. However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause some fundamental changes to what we are trying to achieve. We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this will generate some extra funds over the next week or so. One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not taken seriously by the "powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it show the worldwide support we hope we have. Thanks Paul & Hazel Evans http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From solarrog at pacbell.net Sun Sep 26 17:00:29 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 17:00:29 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: Message-ID: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video tape tour would sell over here. Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Hi Guys, > Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around the world and we hope we > have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive this lengthy email. > > The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large number of visitors from all > over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant applications that should > hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines installed. > > However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause some fundamental changes > to what we are trying to achieve. > > We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at > http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this will generate some extra > funds over the next week or so. > > One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not taken seriously by the > "powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it show the worldwide > support we hope we have. > > Thanks > Paul & Hazel Evans > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 26 17:47:38 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:47:38 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Sattley update!! Message-ID: <000a01c4a42b$9737c4e0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, This should have been online and linked to with my message from a couple days ago. It wasn't and I apologize. I updated it today, and it is now online at: http://oldengine.org/members/allen/SattleyRestore/SattleyRestore.html Any comments, suggestions, and advice will be welcome throughout this project. Thanks to all that did respond, especially Jim for removing the brain dead in me. Yes Jim tapping on stuck bolts does often help loosen them. Duh! Thanks cause it worked. Watch the progress or wait till it's done. It's up to you. It will be a while before it's done. Putting it online takes a lot more time than the actual work. Time for me to kick back and poke around on e-bay. Nuff for now. Last thought. Next two weekends have shows for me. If you are in the Denver area please join us. Info on my club site below, or contact me off list. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From transteck at earthlink.net Sun Sep 26 17:51:46 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:51:46 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Message-ID: <001101c4a42c$2aaa32d0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, I will agree with Roger on this. I would love a video tour and pay for it. Don't think I'll ever make it over there either. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > tape > tour would sell over here. > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont > Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor > scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast > Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 > 510-226-9785 voice mail line > Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly > web site. scrapologist.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Evans" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:16 PM > Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > >> Hi Guys, >> Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around > the world and we hope we >> have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive > this lengthy email. >> >> The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large > number of visitors from all >> over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant > applications that should >> hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines > installed. >> >> However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could >> cause > some fundamental changes >> to what we are trying to achieve. >> >> We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at >> http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that >> this > will generate some extra >> funds over the next week or so. >> >> One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not > taken seriously by the >> "powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use >> it > show the worldwide >> support we hope we have. >> >> Thanks >> Paul & Hazel Evans >> >> http://www.internalfire.com >> Internal Fire, Museum of Power >> Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales >> Tel: 01239 811212 >> >> Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Sun Sep 26 17:58:30 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:58:30 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse References: <4156CF08.000003.03160@YOUR-V7OY5L24PG> Message-ID: <004b01c4a42d$1c2225a0$ec6f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi Nick.The settings you have quoted are right and my engine does this exactly.There are two types of ign trips for these engines .one has a adjustable end for ign timing and the other you have to shorten or lengthen by grinding to length or welding a little on then grinding to length.The repo from Hit and Miss are the non adjustable type. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick" To: Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:15 Subject: [SEL] Fairbanks Morse > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > Certified virus free. > From edward.tabor at zoominternet.net Sun Sep 26 18:58:31 2004 From: edward.tabor at zoominternet.net (Edward Tabor) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:58:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Hauling engines In-Reply-To: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409081125.i88BP3dm059122@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <415773C7.1080309@zoominternet.net> Sorry I'm late in my reply but....SWEET TRUCK!!!! You folks get all the luck, diesels everywhere, whereas we Americans need to scratch and claw to find anything diesel, except VW's, and 3/4 to 1 ton pickups. Ed Patrick M Livingstone wrote: >As some of you know I have finally bitten the bullet and bought myself a new >tow vehicle. It has been bought with one main purpose, to haul old engines. >The vehicle is a Nissan Navara turbo-diesel and I am very pleased with it >after a successful haul to Macksville pulling one of my heavier engines. >Here are a couple of pics of it ready to do its job: >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040168.JPG >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/ri04/RI040169.JPG > >P.S. Shannon likes the new car ;) > >Patrick M Livingstone >Leichhardt NSW >http://www.oldengine.org/members/pml/Index.html >http://www.users.bigpond.com/pml/ > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > From yostsw at atis.net Sun Sep 26 19:33:25 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:33:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> Engine and Tractor Folks: I have been asked, by one of your members, to donate some of this summer's auction proceeds to Paul Evan's Internal Fire Museum( http://www.internalfire.com ). If we are inclined to give this year as well, it sounds(their message to the engine list is below) as if they could use the money now. I need all of you to tell me if you agree, and if so how much. Time to vote. PLEASE email me directly! - yostsw at atis.net Let me know if you want to send some money to them now. For a reference point, we sent them 10% ($400USD) of last years money and I would expect 10% of the total monies available for donation will again be about $400 - $450. Feel free to include any other thoughts or suggestions in the message, Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 9/27/2004 at 12:16 AM Paul Evans wrote: >Hi Guys, >Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around >the world and we hope we >have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive >this lengthy email. > >The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large >number of visitors from all >over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant >applications that should >hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines >installed. > >However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause >some fundamental changes >to what we are trying to achieve. > >We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at >http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this >will generate some extra >funds over the next week or so. > >One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not >taken seriously by the >"powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it >show the worldwide >support we hope we have. > >Thanks >Paul & Hazel Evans > >http://www.internalfire.com >Internal Fire, Museum of Power >Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales >Tel: 01239 811212 > >Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 26 16:21:40 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:21:40 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Shell petrol Cans Message-ID: <002501c4a41f$93fb2df0$6b856ad5@no1> I was at Widnes Show today & spotted a restored can. For Peter Ogborne's benefit I took a couple of shots. See http://community.webshots.com/album/192199050weFAes Regards, Dave Croft -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 27 00:35:25 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:35:25 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair Message-ID: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. Here you go: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 01:00:54 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions In-Reply-To: <01b501c49aa4$251e8e10$6401a8c0@Shop> Message-ID: <20040927080054.83102.qmail@web20226.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, It has been over two weeks since I asked the questions about 10-20 Titans, and I am late in replying to thank everyone for the information. I have been away from the computer due to an illness in the family and am finally getting caught up. Thanks to all of you for the info, particularly to Dave Ernst. I seem to recall hearing old guys talking about Titan crankshafts years ago, and maybe I have a little better idea what to look for now. I stopped in to see the guy with the one I had in mind. Neither of us had a lot of time that day, but we had a good visit and he has invited me back to see it run. He then said he would help me pull the cover off the crankcase to look inside. He said his Dad spent a bunch of money on it about 30 years ago, got the shaft ground and had the bearing shells re-lined. They also have a couple of spare K-W mags for it and they have the plowing guide, which is really cool. The tractor has one dent in the water tank, which is Ok since I want to actually use the tractor and beat the crap out of it once in a while. It turns out that he knows a lot of the same folks I know, and his Dad once owned several engines that I own now. Moral of the story is that it really is a small world! Actually, the story is much more involved than that, but I will wait on the details until after I get it bought. I about crapped when I heard where it came from. He says it starts easy and runs good, and that we can get together later this fall and play with it for a day. He needs to sell the tractor for his mother, he has a 10-20 Mogul of his own, so he just doesn't want the Titan. If I had a Mogul, I would still want a Titan, they are both pretty darned neat. The most delightful part of the whole thing is the way that "She Who Must Be Obeyed" feels about it. When I got the bug, I said "Honey, what would you think of getting an old tractor?" She thought I meant Oil Pull and immediately thought of my buddy Paulie's stinky F, which belches smoke and throws oil in every direction. I think it is neat, but for me the oil and carbon speckles (a.k.a "Rumely Freckles") are a sign I had a lot of fun, but not for her. I showed her photos of a Titan with my Dad on it when he was 5 years old, and she really liked that. Now that she has seen one in person and got to drive one at a show a week ago, she wants one as bad as I do. I offered to get her a tractor of her own, thinking maybe a Massey Pony or a Farmall Cub would be cute but she says that an 8-16 Avery like Don Blausey's would be really nice. I can't figure it out, if she has such good taste, how did she wind up with me? ;-) She has been teasing me about being a FATG, she made a comment about it in front of some of my buddies and then walked behind me and says "Well, looks like all you need to do is get the tractor, the rest seems to be well under way!". You can imagine how much fun my supposed friends had with that. Again, thanks for the info everyone, and I will post pictures when and if the deal is struck. Joe ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 01:07:12 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <20040927080712.63939.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent photos Rob. There are a couple of things I noticed, one was that having a pitcher pump set up for the little axe murderers to play with is a really good idea, and the second is that you have also noticed Reg's fascination with fat chicks, viz: http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/geodes4arnie.jpg This is disturbing. Reg, can you explain? Joe --- Rob Skinner wrote: > > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 27 01:12:13 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:12:13 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <000601c4a469$b1fe2240$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ Hi Rob, A very well set out set of pictures with amusing titles. Nice to see Engines aren't your only interest. 8^) I hope the Aussie club commitees don't get any ideas about your attractive fencing. They would probably make it 4 bales high. Dave Croft PS That is the only brown Ruston PB I have ever seen! From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 27 02:41:51 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:41:51 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <20040927080712.63939.qmail@web20228.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d101c4a476$3b609ca0$5a0d1bd3@athlon> Dont push it kid!! You almost made the 'chubby' file too!! Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > Excellent photos Rob. There are a couple of things I noticed, one was that > having a pitcher pump set up for the little axe murderers to play with is > a really good idea, and the second is that you have also noticed Reg's > fascination with fat chicks, viz: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/geodes4arnie.jpg > This is disturbing. Reg, can you explain? > Joe From cgandree at mchsi.com Mon Sep 27 04:07:22 2004 From: cgandree at mchsi.com (cgandree at mchsi.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:07:22 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power Message-ID: <092720041107.8271.12e7@mchsi.com> Hi Spencer, A few of us were discussing the proceeds made at the Portland auction and feel that maybe we should consider giving them to one of the many Portland groups/clubs. After all if it wasn't for the Portland show we wouldn't exist. My vote is that we consider the money stay in Portland area. Curt Andree > Engine and Tractor Folks: > > I have been asked, by one of your members, to donate some of this summer's > auction proceeds to Paul Evan's Internal Fire Museum( > http://www.internalfire.com ). If we are inclined to give this year as > well, it sounds(their message to the engine list is below) as if they > could use the money now. I need all of you to tell me if you agree, and if > so how much. > > Time to vote. PLEASE email me directly! - yostsw at atis.net Let me know if > you want to send some money to them now. For a reference point, we sent > them 10% ($400USD) of last years money and I would expect 10% of the total > monies available for donation will again be about $400 - $450. > > Feel free to include any other thoughts or suggestions in the message, > > > Spencer Yost > Owner, ATIS > Plow the Net! > http://www.atis.net > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 9/27/2004 at 12:16 AM Paul Evans wrote: > > >Hi Guys, > >Over the years we have had a lot of support from ATIS and people around > >the world and we hope we > >have provided useful information in return, so I hope you will forgive > >this lengthy email. > > > >The museum has grown well over the last year and we have had a large > >number of visitors from all > >over the world. Long term the future is good with a number of grant > >applications that should > >hopefully enable us to get some of the more recent arrived larger engines > >installed. > > > >However, the museum now has a short term funding problem which could cause > >some fundamental changes > >to what we are trying to achieve. > > > >We have now launched a Friends of the Museum scheme on the website at > >http://www.internalfire.com/modules.php?name=Friends in the hope that this > >will generate some extra > >funds over the next week or so. > > > >One of the biggest problems apart from funding is that we are still not > >taken seriously by the > >"powers that be" here in the UK. If the Friends system works we can use it > >show the worldwide > >support we hope we have. > > > >Thanks > >Paul & Hazel Evans > > > >http://www.internalfire.com > >Internal Fire, Museum of Power > >Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > >Tel: 01239 811212 > > > >Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 05:21:05 2004 From: joe_prindle2001 at yahoo.com (Joe Prindle) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 05:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <00d101c4a476$3b609ca0$5a0d1bd3@athlon> Message-ID: <20040927122105.5344.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> If I avoided it at all, it was an act of kindness on your part and not a lack of qualification on mine! Gosh, don't get so touchy. As a wise old bird once told me "You can drink her pretty, but you can't drink her thin!". Got an email addy for the guy with the 1 1/4 monitor pumper castings? How bad was it to build? Those fine gears on the pump look like an exercise in frustration. He comes to Baraboo but I never get to see him. Joe --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > Dont push it kid!! You almost made the 'chubby' file too!! > Reg & Marg Ingold. > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > ===== Joe Prindle Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI www.badgersteamandgas.com Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 ***************** "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" Old Irish Proverb ****************** __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From yostsw at atis.net Mon Sep 27 05:45:48 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:48 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: <200409270845480156.0D8FEF4E@heavyiron.atis.net> >Engine and Tractor Folks: > >I have been asked, by one of your members, to donate some of this summer's >auction proceeds to Paul Evan's Internal Fire Museum( >http://www.internalfire.com ). If we are inclined to give this year as Just wanted to clarify something. The person recommending that we donate was NOT Paul Evans himself. My bad for not making that clearer. Still have not heard one single NAY, though I have heard some other suggestions such as the Portland Show(Be sure you suggest the Portland show this winter when we combine funds with the winter charity auction). I will donate $400 at the end of the day to Internal Fire unless a goodly number some votes to the contrary come up before 5:00pm EDST. Thanks for all the feedback and now back to your regularly scheduled discussions.... Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From prepair at easynet.co.uk Mon Sep 27 06:44:11 2004 From: prepair at easynet.co.uk (Prepair Ltd) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:44:11 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <200409270845480156.0D8FEF4E@heavyiron.atis.net> References: <200409262233250875.0B5F4AC5@heavyiron.atis.net> <200409270845480156.0D8FEF4E@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:45:48 -0400, you wrote: >Just wanted to clarify something. The person recommending that we donate >was NOT Paul Evans himself. My bad for not making that clearer. > >Still have not heard one single NAY, though I have heard some other >suggestions such as the Portland Show(Be sure you suggest the Portland show >this winter when we combine funds with the winter charity auction). I will >donate $400 at the end of the day to Internal Fire unless a goodly number >some votes to the contrary come up before 5:00pm EDST. > >Thanks for all the feedback and now back to your regularly scheduled >discussions.... > >Spencer Yost I'd like to put a small comment in here; Although we are from the UK and Paul Evan's museum is also in the UK, it is something that we all need to address in our charity contributions, not on a country by country basis but as a wider effort to support anything that is worthwhile AND engine-related. When we come over to the USA, we support the Friends of The USAF Museum for example, but not our own 'local' UK-based Duxford Air Museum. We also have had involvement in the ATIS Charity Auctions at Xmas and feel that these are all things that should continue. I personally don't think that we should limit our contribution to just the USA, we should be looking further afield to other countries where there are suitable sites to invest a small amount in. We are an international group, we should think internationally. Peter -- Peter A Forbes Prepair Ltd, Luton, UK prepair at easynet.co.uk http://www.prepair.co.uk From appraisals at gbis.com Mon Sep 27 07:39:49 2004 From: appraisals at gbis.com (Joyce Newman) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 07:39:49 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Sun 1120 Engine Analyzer Message-ID: <001101c4a49f$d86576a0$ab30e4cf@Pnas> Hello, I do estate sales for a living and have one now that has a Sun 1120 Engine Analyzer in pretty good condition. It needs to be cleaned up a bit, but otherwise it's pretty good. If anyone out there is interested, please let me know. It's located just south of Carson City Nevada. Thank you, Joyce Joyce Newman, ISA Accredited Member International Society of Appraisers NEWMAN APPRAISAL SERVICES (775) 771-0464 From mgomaize at yahoo.com Mon Sep 27 08:38:11 2004 From: mgomaize at yahoo.com (Tony Pitts) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] RE: Los Angeles County Fair Message-ID: <20040927153811.74021.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Where were these??? My wife and I flew out to LA from Michigan last weekend, partly to visit her brother, partly because we had to go somewhere because our passes were expiring, and partly because they had an Angora goat competition at the fair. We got there way too early last Friday (17th) and had to wait two hours, then went in and the goat show was over (the only reason we drove out from Venice)!!! Seems they do most of the competitions before the fair opens, kind of odd for us in the midwest. I looked on the program for anything old iron related, and saw the antique tractor exhibit so we walked over there and saw the 5 or 10 tractors and high-tailed it back to LA without looking around anymore (something about the 11,000 kids that were there from the schools didn't look too inviting). Now I am really bummed we left so quick. Pictures looked great! Thanks, Tony ===== ------------------------------------------ Tony Pitts Ann Arbor, MI http://www.oldengine.org/members/pitts/mbf From flywheelin at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 10:55:55 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:55:55 +0000 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions Message-ID: Good luck Joe. I hope it works out for you. Engines are great and tractors are alot of fun too. I just picked up a John Deere GP on full steel last weekend and cranked it up for the first time this weekend. Had a great time with it until the radiator starting leaking. Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA ========================= >From: Joe Prindle >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: Re: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:00:54 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, >It has been over two weeks since I asked the questions about 10-20 Titans, >and I am late in replying to thank everyone for the information. I have >been away from the computer due to an illness in the family and am finally >getting caught up. >Thanks to all of you for the info, particularly to Dave Ernst. I seem to >recall hearing old guys talking about Titan crankshafts years ago, and >maybe I have a little better idea what to look for now. >I stopped in to see the guy with the one I had in mind. Neither of us had >a lot of time that day, but we had a good visit and he has invited me back >to see it run. He then said he would help me pull the cover off the >crankcase to look inside. He said his Dad spent a bunch of money on it >about 30 years ago, got the shaft ground and had the bearing shells >re-lined. They also have a couple of spare K-W mags for it and they have >the plowing guide, which is really cool. The tractor has one dent in the >water tank, which is Ok since I want to actually use the tractor and beat >the crap out of it once in a while. It turns out that he knows a lot of >the same folks I know, and his Dad once owned several engines that I own >now. Moral of the story is that it really is a small world! Actually, the >story is much more involved than that, but I will wait on the details >until after I get it bought. I about crapped when I heard where it came >from. He says it starts easy and runs good, and that we can get together >later this fall and play with it for a day. He needs to sell the tractor >for his mother, he has a 10-20 Mogul of his own, so he just doesn't want >the Titan. If I had a Mogul, I would still want a Titan, they are both >pretty darned neat. >The most delightful part of the whole thing is the way that "She Who Must >Be Obeyed" feels about it. When I got the bug, I said "Honey, what would >you think of getting an old tractor?" She thought I meant Oil Pull and >immediately thought of my buddy Paulie's stinky F, which belches smoke and >throws oil in every direction. I think it is neat, but for me the oil and >carbon speckles (a.k.a "Rumely Freckles") are a sign I had a lot of fun, >but not for her. I showed her photos of a Titan with my Dad on it when he >was 5 years old, and she really liked that. Now that she has seen one in >person and got to drive one at a show a week ago, she wants one as bad as >I do. I offered to get her a tractor of her own, thinking maybe a Massey >Pony or a Farmall Cub would be cute but she says that an 8-16 Avery like >Don Blausey's would be really nice. I can't figure it out, if she has such >good taste, how did she wind up with me? ;-) She has been teasing me about >being a FATG, she made a comment about it in front of some of my buddies >and then walked behind me and says "Well, looks like all you need to do is >get the tractor, the rest seems to be well under way!". You can imagine >how much fun my supposed friends had with that. >Again, thanks for the info everyone, and I will post pictures when and if >the deal is struck. >Joe > >===== >Joe Prindle >Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI >www.badgersteamandgas.com >Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show >August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 >***************** >"Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" >Old Irish Proverb >****************** > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From b2 at chooka.net Mon Sep 27 11:36:39 2004 From: b2 at chooka.net (Bill Brueck) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 13:36:39 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering References: <1a5.28d672dd.2e870a4b@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201c4a4c0$ed7db090$690a0a0a@BILLPC> Thanks, Tom. I'm uncertain whether you or Dave helped the most. My technique did improve a lot after Dave's advise to strike the saw with the hammer, rather than the other way around. Although I was making good progress, the neighbors were complaining about noise. B? Bill Brueck (brick) Chatfield, Minnesota USA Confusion is a higher state of knowledge than ignorance. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering > In a message dated 9/23/2004 9:44:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rotigel at alltel.net writes: > > << > Somebody help us young folks know what's going on here: What's hammering > a > > saw blade? > > B? >> > > Log cutting circular saw blades can wobble while at cutting speed. This is > usually from over heating/hitting some metal in the log/etc. They need to run > straight and true to cut properly. Hammering is done by laying the blade down > on something and taking a hammer and beating the saw at particular locations > to make it run true. The old folks used to lay it on a flat stump or section > of log. The hammering puts some stress in the metal which in turn takes out > the wobble. Think about hammering a small piece of metal on one side down its > length. The more you hammer, the more the metal will start bowing. Also, the > blade is slightly dished toward the side of the cut, i.e., the side of the log > from which the board is being cut. This dish side also depends on whether > you have a right hand or left hand cutting saw mill. Many a person has > purchased a used saw blade and found it to be not suitable for their mill, because the > blade was dished for a different hand cut mill. To my limited knowledge, > hammering of saw blades if for filed tooth or insert tooth blades. > > > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From steve_royster at hotmail.com Mon Sep 27 13:11:01 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:11:01 -0400 Subject: [SEL] RE: Arden show Electric costs Message-ID: Hi Curt, I know people grumble about the cost of electric hook up at our show, but our club leases the fairground from the State of N.C. and they set the rates for electric hook up not us. All we can do is grumble or look for a new place to have the show, and its pretty difficult to find that much flat space here in the mountains. BTW our show dates this year are October 20-24 this year. Hope to see ya there. Steve Royster >From: Curt >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: The SEL email discussion list >Subject: OT [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:50:35 -0400 > >Stan, >Sorry you missed the show but good on you for exercising your objection to >the cost of the electricity. The windfall profit being made is worth making >an issue of. I've heard grumbling about these kinds of charges especially >at the Arden show. I'm not a camper that needs electrical hookups (we are >primitive in our horse trailer) but taking a look at the numbers reveals >some pretty healthy profit. Typical household electric cost are 8 cents per >kw-hr. In the peak of AC season we have a $100 electric bill for our home. >That works out to 1250 kw-hrs for 30 days of usage or 42 kw-hrs per day. >You were planning on camping for 2 or 3 days right? The $30 at a cost of 8 >cents per kw-hr assumes you will use 375 kw-hrs! That's the equivalent of >my peak household power consumption during AC season for 9 DAYS! This means >they are making 3 to 4 times what the electricity is costing. There is no >way you use that much power in a simple camper even running the small AC >unit! >Reg has been instrumental in forcing directors to look at and review costs >that are out of line in Australia. >You've started the process yourself at your local show. It would be good to >follow your return trip home with a letter to the show organizers >explaining your position. You might be surprised at the results and perhaps >you and your fellow engine hobbyists will enjoy a less expensive show next >year. >Are there other shows that have electric costs that seem out of line? >Curt Holland >Gastonia, NC > > >Stan Holderman wrote: > >>Regarding your NIHPA show, my wife and I got up early yesterday morning, >>drove one and a half hours to the show grounds. There was very few people >>there, but we set our trailer with engines in the area where we have set >>up >>many times before. We then parked our camper in the campground and looked >>for the registration area. When I asked if there would be a charge for >>electricity at the campground, Madam President of NIHPA, Valerie Johnson >>stated it would be $30.00 for camping for the weekend, I inquired if that >>was for exhibitors, and she stated it was for everybody. After a lengthy >>discussion--about 30 seconds--my wife and I hooked up our trailer, took >>our >>canopy down and went home. I have always enjoyed your show, and it has >>been >>a good one, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. >>Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Armstrong" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:39 PM >>Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >> >> >> >> >>>Just finished loading the trailer, set to leave first thing in the >>>morning >>>for the NIHPA Show. If anyone is looking to spend a beautiful weekend at >>> >>> >>a >> >> >>>nice show, I invite you to meet me in Valparaiso this weekend. >>>Guaranteed >>>not to flood! Look for me at the Reid between the Bessemers. >>>Fred Armstrong >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>SEL mailing list >>>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>SEL mailing list >>SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >>http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From Germoamer at aol.com Mon Sep 27 14:08:18 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:08:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering Message-ID: <1d6.2bca51bb.2e89db42@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/04 2:38:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, b2 at chooka.net writes: << I'm uncertain whether you or Dave helped the most. >> B2 Dave's technique was much simpler! Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 27 14:16:33 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:16:33 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <20040927122105.5344.qmail@web20222.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c4a4d7$478a8200$620d1bd3@athlon> I Aint touchy, Ya silly bugger! The model came with the gears cut and apart from having to be real careful on your measuring, I enjoyed making em. I might even make a few more later. If you do get a set, remember that Dick Daoust is a great bloke and will do all he can to help you. You have met him at Baraboo the other year. He was with me and set up in the model room. More later. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Prindle" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > If I avoided it at all, it was an act of kindness on your part and not a > lack of qualification on mine! Gosh, don't get so touchy. > As a wise old bird once told me "You can drink her pretty, but you can't > drink her thin!". > Got an email addy for the guy with the 1 1/4 monitor pumper castings? How > bad was it to build? Those fine gears on the pump look like an exercise in > frustration. He comes to Baraboo but I never get to see him. > Joe > --- Reg & Margaret Ingold wrote: > > > Dont push it kid!! You almost made the 'chubby' file too!! > > Reg & Marg Ingold. > > Newcastle, NSW, Australia. > > randmingold at hotkey.net.au > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold > > > > > ===== > Joe Prindle > Member Badger Steam & Gas, Baraboo, WI > www.badgersteamandgas.com > Hosting the HPOCA Nat'l Oliver Show > August 19, 20 & 21, 2005 > ***************** > "Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?" > Old Irish Proverb > ****************** > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paul at semidiesel.com Mon Sep 27 15:27:15 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:27:15 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Message-ID: We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed Sulzer blast injection single cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this is one of the engines we had hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -----Original Message----- From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video tape tour would sell over here. Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 27 15:47:33 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:47:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> References: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: <38383D92-10D7-11D9-BB64-00039352D07A@chartertn.net> Cool pics, Rob! Looks like a fun show! John On Sep 27, 2004, at 3:35 AM, Rob Skinner wrote: > > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rotigel at alltel.net Mon Sep 27 16:06:31 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:06:31 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! In-Reply-To: References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a MILD heart attack. He went to work on Saturday--but came home and told Nancy to get him to the hospital. He spent that day and Sunday night in the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie had two stints put in today and is resting fine. He goes home tomorrow morning. I'm sure that Arnie will welcome calls to his home tomorrow evening. His home # is (724) 337-0665. Please don't call until tomorrow evening--the family has enough to do until then with out answering the phone! (Some IDIOT/ASSHOLE put the word out yesterday to call Arnie at the hospital--just what he and the family needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Dave PS, Could someone please forward this to Jim's list? Thanks! From johnculp at chartertn.net Mon Sep 27 16:28:20 2004 From: johnculp at chartertn.net (John Culp) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:28:20 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: I sure am glad he's getting along well! Thanks for tipping us off, Dave! John On Sep 27, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie > had a MILD heart attack. John Culp Bristol, Tennessee, USA From rexhinz at chorus.net Mon Sep 27 17:31:36 2004 From: rexhinz at chorus.net (Rex Hinz) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:31:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4a4f2$87726ac0$5a86a5d8@mycomputer> Glad to hear Arnies Ok , hope he makes a speedy recovery , we all need his humor , and Daves also , Arnies a great guy any I wish him all the Best. Maybe from that Green Stuff he drinks ? :-)) > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a > MILD heart attack. From transteck at earthlink.net Mon Sep 27 17:50:18 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:50:18 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <000801c4a4f5$211036b0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Thanks for the update. Jeff Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a > MILD heart attack. He went to work on Saturday--but came home and told > Nancy to get him to the hospital. He spent that day and Sunday night in > the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie had two > stints put in today and is resting fine. He goes home tomorrow morning. > I'm sure that Arnie will welcome calls to his home tomorrow evening. His > home # is (724) 337-0665. Please don't call until tomorrow evening--the > family has enough to do until then with out answering the phone! (Some > IDIOT/ASSHOLE put the word out yesterday to call Arnie at the > hospital--just what he and the family needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) > Dave > PS, Could someone please forward this to Jim's list? Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 27 18:45:10 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:45:10 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. Message-ID: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea who the maker is: http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 Thanks, Paul From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 27 18:51:36 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:51:36 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar> <6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <015101c4a4fd$b1f2ff70$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Dave for this report on Arnie, I am just glad it was not worse and that he is recovering fine. I will give him a call tomorrow night. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Rotigel" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! > Hi All, > Arnie is fine, but you all need to know. Friday evening/night Arnie had a > MILD heart attack. He went to work on Saturday--but came home and told > Nancy to get him to the hospital. He spent that day and Sunday night in > the hospital and had a cath this morning. All is now well! Arnie had two > stints put in today and is resting fine. He goes home tomorrow morning. > I'm sure that Arnie will welcome calls to his home tomorrow evening. His > home # is (724) 337-0665. Please don't call until tomorrow evening--the > family has From bill at antique-engines.com Mon Sep 27 19:58:04 2004 From: bill at antique-engines.com (Bill Dickerson) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:58:04 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Neighbor wants to sell vintage rider with snow blower In-Reply-To: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <005c01c4a506$fb992100$32a8a8c0@LOFFICE> Sort of OT, but sort of on topic for collectors of antique and vintage lawn and garden equipment: My neighbor, a VERY picky person who takes the best care of everything (much to his wife's dismay at times) is selling a couple of his riding mowers. I have one posted on my web site forum area at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/billd/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18&PN=1&TPN =1 He's fully restored the unit - new bearings in the deck, blower was sandblasted and painted, engine rebuilt I believe he said 2 years ago, no expense spared. The man is a perfectionist and keeps everything he can inside a building. Anyone who collects vintage lawn equipment and likes them to be usable will appreciate this. I've told him I'd spread the word as he's done me great favors by trucking in over 15 large loads of dirt lately and said he'd get me a half dozen or so more if I'd help him out. Bill Runnells, Iowa www.antique-engines.com Chapman engine registry, forums, chat, buy/sell/trade areas, etc. From fsarm at netnitco.net Mon Sep 27 20:23:59 2004 From: fsarm at netnitco.net (Fred Armstrong) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:23:59 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: <001d01c4a1f0$81adf1e0$7b6e0b42@netnitco> <000701c4a232$ecba18a0$8881f1d8@pavilion> Message-ID: <003501c4a50a$a46bca00$596e0b42@netnitco> Stan, I am sorry the camping fee upset you and missed visiting with you and Larry. The NIHPA Board realized after last years show that if we didn't do something different, there might not be any future shows. Several adjustments to the operating budget were made (admission was raised from $3 to $5, the free dinner on Saturday evening was changed to a Pork Chop dinner for a $6 donation, the free camping was changed to a $30 donation) to keep the club solvent. I would classify our show as a small show (I don't know the paid attendance on Friday or Sunday but Saturday 1,218 paid) and with members, workers, volunteers and exhibitors getting in for free, some means are needed to fund the costs for property lease (we use a county park), planting and harvesting demonstration crops, portable toilets, running temporary water and electric lines to the concession area, running temporary electric to the camping area, security, emergency medical workers, fuel, insurance... you get the picture. As far as I know, two other people complained about the camping fee. One thing that was brought up was that nobody should pay more than one fee. If you are a vendor, you would pay the vendor fee but not the camping fee. If you are an exhibitor, you would pay the camping fee but not the admission fee. It's not a perfect system, probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? Anyway, we had great weather, a good inquisitive crowd and lots of fun. Sure hope you'll give it another chance next year. Fred Armstrong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Holderman" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Regarding your NIHPA show, but I think they have priced this retired cop out of showing. > Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In From rskinner at rustyiron.com Mon Sep 27 20:24:20 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:24:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] RE: Los Angeles County Fair In-Reply-To: <20040927153811.74021.qmail@web81209.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200409280324.i8S3OMYI005184@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > Where were these??? Hey Tony, Sorry we missed you. Our main display was located about a quarter mile south of where we park the tractors. Most of the fair isn't of much interest to me, but I like the animals and I like the area that we're in. To me, everything else is just a carnival. There are also buidings dedicated to educational stuff, but those are geared mostly to the kids. What's really cool is the animal nursery. They have the babies and their mommas and mommas to be. They're fun to watch, but I'm glad I'm not a cow/pig/goat/rabbit/duck/chicken farmer. Rob From froberts at dodo.com.au Mon Sep 27 22:08:16 2004 From: froberts at dodo.com.au (Fred Roberts) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:08:16 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! References: <059301c4a425$00866750$83c87043@solar><6.1.2.0.0.20040927184745.01fa6c70@mail.alltel.net> <015101c4a4fd$b1f2ff70$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001a01c4a519$2ab09ec0$3f84dccb@froberts> Hello Arnie. Sorry to hear of your problem and I wish you a speedy and full recovery. Hoping to see you over here for the national so as we can return some of the hospitality and friendship as was shown to us back in 2001 at Portland. Our kindness regards. Fred & Fay From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Tue Sep 28 01:55:10 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:55:10 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Nat. M/C Museum Message-ID: <00b701c4a53a$89efd920$620d1bd3@athlon> Today, friend, Col and myself took my Hodaka (On the website) to be put on show in the National Motorcycle Museum at Nabiac, NSW. If any of you are ever in the area of Taree and dont go to see this place, you are missing out!!! Col and I, both 'older' motorcyclists spent a few hours completely engrossed. The range of machines in there was mind boggling. I am sure this would be the greatest collection of bikes anywhere in the WORLD!!! Having a bike in there on loan, I am entitled to visit free at any time. Really nice folk own the place too. After restoring the Hodaka, I realised that it would be better placed where people could see it. I will never ride it. It is also for sale if any one is interested. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Sep 28 04:46:18 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:46:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: <9d.4efe3b15.2e8aa90a@aol.com> In a message dated 9/27/04 11:38:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fsarm at netnitco.net writes: << It's not a perfect system, probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? >> Fred, The entrance fee increase from $3 to $5 brought in an additional $2400 for your club. I would look at this versus what the $30 camping fee brought you. And then look at in terms of say $10 camping fee. $30 seems very steep and as everyone knows once negativism starts it seems to spread like wildfire. That you do not want! Keeping the smaller shows like ours solvent is an ever increasing challenge, especially with rising insurance rates, and trying to save some money for a rained out show like we had 2 years ago. Tom Schmutz President, Stonewall Antique Power Association Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From Germoamer at aol.com Tue Sep 28 04:55:04 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 07:55:04 EDT Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! Message-ID: <190.2f0dc6a2.2e8aab18@aol.com> Best wishes to Arnie for a full and speedy recovery. Being a twice colon cancer survivor, health situations are scary and no fun in the hospital! Tom Schmutz Concord, Virginia Germoamer at aol.com http://www.oldengine.org/members/schmutz/ From falcon at telenet.net Tue Sep 28 06:59:35 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:59:35 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <00fd01c4a563$63deaee0$861117d1@net.telenet.net> Paul, Not sure who made it but saw one like it on RFDTV the other night. They were using it to chop corn but said it was originally made to chop sorghum or sugar cane so it could be processed easier. I think the show was shot at the 2002 old threshers show. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea who the maker is: http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 Thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From yostsw at atis.net Tue Sep 28 07:10:55 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:10:55 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200409281010550265.0028EDC8@heavyiron.atis.net> Just wanted to let everyone know the donation to the museum was made last night. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From jlb94 at juno.com Tue Sep 28 07:35:59 2004 From: jlb94 at juno.com (jlb94 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:35:59 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Get Well Arnie Message-ID: <20040928.104240.820.2.jlb94@juno.com> Hey Arnie, Good to see you're still with us. Probably all that rich "Show Food" that did it. Now you'll be on a diet of Rice Cakes & Distilled Water. Get well soon - - - Please !!! Joe "Pip" Betz said that. jlb94 at juno.com ,-._,-. "Toys are so sophisticated these days \/)"(\/ that they can play with each other." (_o_) http://community.webshots.com/user/pipbetz From steve_royster at hotmail.com Tue Sep 28 08:29:11 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:29:11 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to cut costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to obtain a sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on the tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster >From: "Fred Armstrong" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:23:59 -0500 > >Stan, I am sorry the camping fee upset you and missed visiting with you and >Larry. The NIHPA Board realized after last years show that if we didn't do >something different, there might not be any future shows. Several >adjustments to the operating budget were made (admission was raised from $3 >to $5, the free dinner on Saturday evening was changed to a Pork Chop >dinner >for a $6 donation, the free camping was changed to a $30 donation) to keep >the club solvent. I would classify our show as a small show (I don't know >the paid attendance on Friday or Sunday but Saturday 1,218 paid) and with >members, workers, volunteers and exhibitors getting in for free, some means >are needed to fund the costs for property lease (we use a county park), >planting and harvesting demonstration crops, portable toilets, running >temporary water and electric lines to the concession area, running >temporary >electric to the camping area, security, emergency medical workers, fuel, >insurance... you get the picture. As far as I know, two other people >complained about the camping fee. One thing that was brought up was that >nobody should pay more than one fee. If you are a vendor, you would pay >the >vendor fee but not the camping fee. If you are an exhibitor, you would pay >the camping fee but not the admission fee. It's not a perfect system, >probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? Anyway, we >had great weather, a good inquisitive crowd and lots of fun. Sure hope >you'll give it another chance next year. >Fred Armstrong > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stan Holderman" >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:35 AM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > Regarding your NIHPA show, but I think they have priced this retired >cop >out of showing. > > Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Tue Sep 28 08:32:23 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:32:23 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair References: <200409270735.i8R7ZTYI087141@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> Message-ID: Had a great time. Super job Rob. RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Skinner" To: "'The SEL email discussion list'" ; Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: [SEL] Los Angeles County Fair > > Today was the last day of the fair, so I dug the > Kodak Brownie out from beneath the workbench. > Here you go: > http://engines.rustyiron.com/lafair04/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From paul at semidiesel.com Tue Sep 28 09:34:46 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:34:46 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <200409281010550265.0028EDC8@heavyiron.atis.net> Message-ID: Hi All, Hazel and I would like to thank everyone for the donation. Obviously donations are welcome anytime as they help save and rebuild engines here but at the moment this donation is particularly welcome and will be put to good use. Many thanks again Paul & Hazel http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. -----Original Message----- From: Spencer Yost [mailto:yostsw at atis.net] Sent: 28 September 2004 15:11 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power Just wanted to let everyone know the donation to the museum was made last night. Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From old_iron at msn.com Tue Sep 28 10:34:40 2004 From: old_iron at msn.com (William J Pfeiffer Sr) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:34:40 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's MILD Heart Attack! Message-ID: Arnie!!! Get Well Quick!! You and yours will be in our prayers especially today. XOXOXOXOX Bill & Peg Pfeiffer From flywheelin at hotmail.com Tue Sep 28 10:53:14 2004 From: flywheelin at hotmail.com (Luke Tonneberger) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:53:14 +0000 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Show Pictures Message-ID: Hello Everybody, I finally finished up the web page for this years Portland Show. It can be seen at: http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/portland04.html Going through these pictures brings back alot of great memories for me. Thanks again to everyone who makes the 'Portland Experience' possible. Can't wait until Portland 2005!!! Luke Tonneberger Rockford, Michigan USA _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From edstoller at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 11:49:51 2004 From: edstoller at earthlink.net (ED) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:49:51 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: Message-ID: <000b01c4a58b$f1e26600$78bff504@x8h7l9> At the CT Antique Machinery show, one of the local John Deere dealers loaned a Gator with his signs on it. It was used by the staff to hall stuff around. Ed Stoller New Fairfield, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to cut > costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to obtain a > sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on the > tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large > equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and > explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster > > > >From: "Fred Armstrong" > >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:23:59 -0500 > > > >Stan, I am sorry the camping fee upset you and missed visiting with you and > >Larry. The NIHPA Board realized after last years show that if we didn't do > >something different, there might not be any future shows. Several > >adjustments to the operating budget were made (admission was raised from $3 > >to $5, the free dinner on Saturday evening was changed to a Pork Chop > >dinner > >for a $6 donation, the free camping was changed to a $30 donation) to keep > >the club solvent. I would classify our show as a small show (I don't know > >the paid attendance on Friday or Sunday but Saturday 1,218 paid) and with > >members, workers, volunteers and exhibitors getting in for free, some means > >are needed to fund the costs for property lease (we use a county park), > >planting and harvesting demonstration crops, portable toilets, running > >temporary water and electric lines to the concession area, running > >temporary > >electric to the camping area, security, emergency medical workers, fuel, > >insurance... you get the picture. As far as I know, two other people > >complained about the camping fee. One thing that was brought up was that > >nobody should pay more than one fee. If you are a vendor, you would pay > >the > >vendor fee but not the camping fee. If you are an exhibitor, you would pay > >the camping fee but not the admission fee. It's not a perfect system, > >probably needs to be tweaked. Anyone have some ideas on this? Anyway, we > >had great weather, a good inquisitive crowd and lots of fun. Sure hope > >you'll give it another chance next year. > >Fred Armstrong > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Stan Holderman" > >To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 7:35 AM > >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > > > > Regarding your NIHPA show, but I think they have priced this retired > >cop > >out of showing. > > > Stan Holderman, Warsaw, In > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SEL mailing list > >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From rotigel at alltel.net Tue Sep 28 14:20:23 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:20:23 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Home and Doing WELL! (OT) Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928171008.01f2ab58@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, Arnie is now home and doing and feeling FINE! He said that he is better than he has been in 20 years. (At that point Nancy yelled out that she will reserve judgment until later tonight! Wonder what the hell she was talking about?) In any event, Arnie will leave for NY and his youngest daughter's (Cortney's) wedding on Thursday, so if you want to speak to him tonight is your opportunity! Again, his phone # is (724) 337-0665. Dave PS, Rob, Nancy said to thank you for your inquiry about the engines. She said that she will keep your phone # on file "just in case." From shop at cccomm.net Tue Sep 28 15:08:59 2004 From: shop at cccomm.net (Dave Ernst) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:08:59 -0700 Subject: [SEL] OT: Titan Tractor Questions References: <20040927080054.83102.qmail@web20226.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009601c4a5a7$c1bb1000$6401a8c0@Shop> Hey Joe, You said, "When I got the bug, I said "Honey, what would you think of getting an old tractor?" She thought I meant Oil Pull and immediately thought of my buddy Paulie's stinky F, which belches smoke and throws oil in every direction." Just don't tell her that it uses oil once as it goes through the bearings and then it drops into the lower crankcase and from there to the ground and everywhere and on anybody! Grin... Dave From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 28 15:40:24 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:40:24 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> <00fd01c4a563$63deaee0$861117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <001c01c4a5ac$2b1f8360$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Steve, wish I had gotten to see it. I try and check RFDTV each night to see if anything interesting is coming up but apparently missed this one. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul, > Not sure who made it but saw one like it on RFDTV the other night. They > were using it to chop corn but said it was originally made to chop > sorghum or sugar cane so it could be processed easier. I think the show From BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org Tue Sep 28 17:19:57 2004 From: BLCKSMTH at wcnet.org (Blacksmith) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:19:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> <00fd01c4a563$63deaee0$861117d1@net.telenet.net> Message-ID: <009d01c4a5ba$0dec3320$22e0a841@ibm22761389857> My uncle had ( or may still have) one similar, but as I recall it had a wooden conveyor to carry the corn into the rotating blades. We did not use it for silage but to chop corn for cattle feed right at the feed troughs. Bob Willman The Eagle's Anvil Bowling Green, Ohio WB8NQW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W." To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 09:59 Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul, > Not sure who made it but saw one like it on RFDTV the other night. They > were using it to chop corn but said it was originally made to chop > sorghum or sugar cane so it could be processed easier. I think the show > was shot at the 2002 old threshers show. > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 9:45 PM > Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > > > Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. > Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea > who the maker is: > > http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 > > Thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From stevebarr at ameritech.net Tue Sep 28 17:20:15 2004 From: stevebarr at ameritech.net (Steve Barr) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 17:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. In-Reply-To: <011801c4a4fc$cbd31a20$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Paul No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I can match any casting #'s. I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG They are a neat display, but you need corn stalks to run thru them. Steve --- paulmaples at sbcglobal.net wrote: Hey Gang I acquired this Silage Chopper and need help in identifying it. Take a look at these 11 pictures and let me know if anyone has any idea who the maker is: http://community.webshots.com/album/193008252ojcKpj?340 Thanks, Paul From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 17:58:13 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:58:13 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: Message-ID: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Paul, Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward to the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great work. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Evans" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! > > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed > Sulzer blast injection single > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this is > one of the engines we had > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. > > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! > > Cheers > Paul > > http://www.internalfire.com > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > Tel: 01239 811212 > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > tape > tour would sell over here. > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Sep 28 18:19:58 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:19:58 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <014101c4a5c2$6fea21b0$25f0af40@solar> Will the dvd or tape from the UK play over here I believe ours are region 1 here in the states I will put some cash or I can use paypal if it will work? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Paul, > > Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward to > the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great > work. > > Regards, > > Jeff Allen > Arvada, Colorado USA > > http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > http://frapa.us/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Evans" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM > Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! > > > > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed > > Sulzer blast injection single > > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this is > > one of the engines we had > > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. > > > > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! > > > > Cheers > > Paul > > > > http://www.internalfire.com > > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > > Tel: 01239 811212 > > > > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 > > To: The SEL email discussion list > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > > > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > > tape > > tour would sell over here. > > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 19:17:49 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 20:17:49 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> <014101c4a5c2$6fea21b0$25f0af40@solar> Message-ID: <000e01c4a5ca$85451350$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Roger, Order the NTSC version for the United States. Will play fine. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger DiRuscio" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Will the dvd or tape from the UK play over here > I believe ours are region 1 here in the states > I will put some cash or I can use paypal > if it will work? > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont > Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor > scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast > Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 > 510-226-9785 voice mail line > Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly > web site. scrapologist.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Allen" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > >> Paul, >> >> Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward > to >> the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great >> work. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jeff Allen >> Arvada, Colorado USA >> >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ >> http://frapa.us/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Evans" >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power >> >> >> > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! >> > >> > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed >> > Sulzer blast injection single >> > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this > is >> > one of the engines we had >> > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. >> > >> > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! >> > >> > Cheers >> > Paul >> > >> > http://www.internalfire.com >> > Internal Fire, Museum of Power >> > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales >> > Tel: 01239 811212 >> > >> > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] >> > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 >> > To: The SEL email discussion list >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power >> > >> > >> > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video >> > tape >> > tour would sell over here. >> > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. >> > >> > --- >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SEL mailing list >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SEL mailing list >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From transteck at earthlink.net Tue Sep 28 20:02:12 2004 From: transteck at earthlink.net (Jeff Allen) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:02:12 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides Message-ID: <000601c4a5d0$b82db3c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Hello all, As you all know the Sattley project has started. Any thoughts on reconditioning the valve guides and clearance on them are welcome. I'm leaning towards modern thin wall bronze guides. No rocket science here. I have .125 and that's way too much in my opinion. That is how much it moves on one end. Thanks. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ From Aermoter at aol.com Tue Sep 28 20:21:51 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:21:51 EDT Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family Message-ID: <1e8.2ad19326.2e8b844f@aol.com> Steve Sewell sent me an email this evening asking about our new boys and it occurred to me that I have really not posted anything about them since we arrived home. The following is a brief bit about how things have been this past month. They are doing very well. It has been an adjustment but a good one. About the hardest thing we have had to overcome was the issue of what will they eat. We didn't learn much Russian that dealt with eating except for being able to ask them if they were either hungry or thirsty. We have had them for 5 weeks now, 4 weeks at home and have been able to get them to eat quite a bit of different types of food. At first all they wanted was mainly bread with little else (that was their main food in the orphanage) but now they will only eat bread if it is stuffed with something in the middle i.e. sandwich. We had big plans on teaching them English as best we could and have succeeded somewhat but we also have been picking up more Russian from them as well. Yuriy, 4 years old, seems to be picking up on English quicker than Nickolai, 5 years old. Nickolai it turns out was raised on the streets for the first year and a half of his life and then when he was put into the orphanage they put him in with the babies since his brother was only 6 months old at the time. After spending 3 years with babies he had adapted to lower motor skills and his speech suffered. He is just now starting to talk more but is still slower on the English. Their health is in excellent shape considering where they had been and everyday is a new adventure for them. They came from such a remote part of the world that even the simplest of things is something of a wonder. They both just love to spend time with me in the shop and are now able to understand what tool I am telling them that I need and they go and get it. They won't quit until they find it. They will be engine men in no time. I plan on pulling an engine out in the next month or so and start it up for them to see what they think. I want to wait until they have a better understanding of things before I put them in front of an engine with all the parts just waiting to grab a finger or two. One super nice thing that we didn't have to deal with was their neatness. They were taught to make their beds, pick up their toys, remove their plates from the table and to wash their hands and faces after a meal. It took almost two years and the cost of a new Hummer to get them but we have never been happier. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From solarrog at pacbell.net Tue Sep 28 22:42:20 2004 From: solarrog at pacbell.net (Roger DiRuscio) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:42:20 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power References: <000c01c4a5bf$66483000$0400a8c0@D7VWC221><014101c4a5c2$6fea21b0$25f0af40@solar> <000e01c4a5ca$85451350$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: <029e01c4a5e7$167807d0$25f0af40@solar> The question about paypal was not answered??????? can payment be sent that way??????? Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 510-226-9785 voice mail line Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly web site. scrapologist.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > Roger, > > Order the NTSC version for the United States. Will play fine. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger DiRuscio" > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > Will the dvd or tape from the UK play over here > > I believe ours are region 1 here in the states > > I will put some cash or I can use paypal > > if it will work? > > > > Roger DiRuscio, Broker Associate.The Realty Experts of Fremont > > Collector and restorer of Pre 1920 marine engines, Vintage motor > > scooters and bicycle motors. Micro car enthusiast > > Pivate pilot 1981. Ham radio KG6QKZ. Located in Fremont,Ca 94555 > > 510-226-9785 voice mail line > > Ham radio KG6QKZ 2 meter mostly > > web site. scrapologist.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeff Allen" > > To: "The SEL email discussion list" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > > > > > >> Paul, > >> > >> Made my small contribution tonight. Way to busy last night. Look forward > > to > >> the DVD, and I always enjoy my visits to the web site. Keep up the great > >> work. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jeff Allen > >> Arvada, Colorado USA > >> > >> http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ > >> http://frapa.us/ > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Paul Evans" > >> To: "The SEL email discussion list" > >> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:27 PM > >> Subject: RE: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > >> > >> > >> > We do a nice DVD (NTSC and PAL)! > >> > > >> > One of the latest engines to arrive at the museum is a 1903 designed > >> > Sulzer blast injection single > >> > cylinder vertical diesel with only 50 hours running time from new, this > > is > >> > one of the engines we had > >> > hoped to install this winter. Features on a slide show on the DVD. > >> > > >> > Apologies for blatant commercial post but Roger did ask!!!! > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > Paul > >> > > >> > http://www.internalfire.com > >> > Internal Fire, Museum of Power > >> > Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales > >> > Tel: 01239 811212 > >> > > >> > Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > >> > Sent: 27 September 2004 01:00 > >> > To: The SEL email discussion list > >> > Subject: Re: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power > >> > > >> > > >> > Paul, I doubt I will ever get over there to see the museum, But a video > >> > tape > >> > tour would sell over here. > >> > Go make it happen, and I will buy a copy. > >> > > >> > --- > >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> > Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > SEL mailing list > >> > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SEL mailing list > >> SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > >> http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SEL mailing list > > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rskinner at rustyiron.com Tue Sep 28 22:37:48 2004 From: rskinner at rustyiron.com (Rob Skinner) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:37:48 -0700 Subject: [SEL] Arnie Home and Doing WELL! (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040928171008.01f2ab58@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <200409290537.i8T5bpYI009446@box012.sjc.mx.mail-abuse.org> > PS, Rob, Nancy said to thank you for your inquiry about the > engines. She said that she will keep your phone # on file "just in case." So you think the bouquet and chocolates did the trick? I TOLD you I still had it goin' on. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 04:36:46 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:36:46 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. References: <20040929002015.2861.qmail@web80601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c4a618$9bb5b7e0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Thanks Steve for response and excellent pictures, I love your machines. Your Appleton looks a little like the corn chopper I have but it is obviously not. If you do get time to research it and find something I certainly would appreciate your time and effort. Thanks again, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barr" To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Silage Chopper - Need I.D. > Paul > > No idea on he maker yet. I will have to check several books to see If I > can match any casting #'s. > > I hae an Appleton #9 awaiting some minor wood work. > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/EngineEquip/CornChopper.htm > > I also picked up the monster...A small 4 roll Appleton Husker Shredder > which takes the entire stalk, pops the ear of corn off, drops the ear onto > the rollers which removes the husks, sending the ear up the track intoa > wagon...The stalk meanwhile, goes thru the same setup as the chopper and > sends it thru a blower into a silo or pile. I finally had it out to a > show to test run it and it needs a little work but is working. Pics: > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/26.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/27.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/28.JPG > http://www.oldengine.org/members/sbarr/images/Shows/2004SandwichFair/3/29.JPG > > From dave.croft at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 28 13:52:21 2004 From: dave.croft at ntlworld.com (Dave Croft) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:52:21 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show References: Message-ID: <000601c4a59d$0ce6d740$6b856ad5@no1> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Royster" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to cut > costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to obtain a > sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on the > tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large > equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and > explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster Hi Steve, nearly 20 years ago when a group of us started Englands biggest Engine rally with almost no funds. As the show got larger in later years we were looking for funds. I arranged with a large local engineering tools firm to let him erect a large tent near the arena. He was allowed to give free entry passes to his potential customers & he gave them drinks & food in the tent. His top sales staff also attended.8^) For two years he paid well for the privilege & the people who got the free passes were not our usual visitors. Why not see if it works over there? Dave Croft. From Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com Wed Sep 29 05:51:59 2004 From: Richard_Strobel7 at msn.com (Richard Strobel) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:51:59 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Valve guides References: <000601c4a5d0$b82db3c0$0400a8c0@D7VWC221> Message-ID: Jeff..on the 5 hp Galloway, we just built new valve stems and then had the valves ground. I fear now the intake might be a little tight tho but better that way than the other. Valve guides to me would have been quite expensive. One of these days I hope to have a valve grinding machine(s). Good Luck RickinMt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Allen" To: "SEL" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 9:02 PM Subject: [SEL] Valve guides Hello all, As you all know the Sattley project has started. Any thoughts on reconditioning the valve guides and clearance on them are welcome. I'm leaning towards modern thin wall bronze guides. No rocket science here. I have .125 and that's way too much in my opinion. That is how much it moves on one end. Thanks. Regards, Jeff Allen Arvada, Colorado USA http://oldengine.org/members/allen/ http://frapa.us/ _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From edsingns at winsoft.net.au Wed Sep 29 05:59:41 2004 From: edsingns at winsoft.net.au (Edd Payne) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:59:41 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family References: <1e8.2ad19326.2e8b844f@aol.com> Message-ID: <000d01c4a624$3009d240$656f29cb@oemcomputer> Hi Tim.That sure is great and I am sure they will have a great home with you.To give children a fair go in life is an opportunity not to be missed.I raised my two children as a single father from when they were only 2&3 years old.It was a challenge but was worth every minute. EDD PAYNE PO BOX 364 GULGONG New South Wales AUSTRALIA 2852 0263742387 edsingns at winsoft.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:21 Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family > Steve Sewell sent me an email this evening asking about our new boys and it > occurred to me that I have really not posted anything about them since we > arrived home. The following is a brief bit about how things have been this past > month. > > They are doing very well. It has been an adjustment but a good one. About From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 06:46:33 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:46:33 -0500 Subject: [SEL] NOS Bulldog engine included References: <1e8.2ad19326.2e8b844f@aol.com> <000d01c4a624$3009d240$656f29cb@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c4a62a$bc220580$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> designed and developed by IHC comes with a brand new Bulldog engine still in the crate not a bad deal if you need a butt buggy motor AND a storm shelter From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 06:47:49 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:47:49 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Re: NOS Bulldog engine included References: <001201c4a62a$ccfebba0$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Message-ID: <001a01c4a62a$e957d020$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> http://www.idahomotorpool.com/m75.html From toadhill at aeroinc.net Wed Sep 29 07:57:12 2004 From: toadhill at aeroinc.net (Joe & Jewel Maurer) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:57:12 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's Heart Attack Message-ID: <001c01c4a634$9ab3c780$5fcc940c@mcness.com> Arnie, Hope you're feeling better. There's an old saying that goes like this: "Getting old isn't for sissies". Hang in there!! Joe From paul at semidiesel.com Wed Sep 29 08:42:29 2004 From: paul at semidiesel.com (Paul Evans) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:42:29 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Internal Fire Museum of Power In-Reply-To: <029e01c4a5e7$167807d0$25f0af40@solar> Message-ID: > From: Roger DiRuscio [mailto:solarrog at pacbell.net] > The question about paypal was not answered??????? > can payment be sent that way??????? You can use paypal through the shop on the website, not very pretty to shop in yet but we'll get there. Cheers Paul http://www.internalfire.com Internal Fire, Museum of Power Tanygroes, Ceredigion, Wales Tel: 01239 811212 Internal Fire is a Not-for-Profit company registered in the UK. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.764 / Virus Database: 511 - Release Date: 15/09/04 From rotigel at alltel.net Wed Sep 29 09:07:25 2004 From: rotigel at alltel.net (Dave Rotigel) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's E-address (OT) Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929120421.01ef8730@mail.alltel.net> Hi All, A number of you have contacted me to ask for Arnie's e-address. The best one to use is his HOME e-address. It is: fero_ah at city-net.com. Dave From curt at imc-group.com Wed Sep 29 10:21:27 2004 From: curt at imc-group.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:21:27 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Arnie's E-address (OT) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929120421.01ef8730@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929120421.01ef8730@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: <415AEF17.5070405@imc-group.com> Dave, Would like to add that the address is fero(underscore)ah or fero_ah..... NOT fero ah At least on my browser the underscore was obliterated by the hyperlink line. Curt Dave Rotigel wrote: > Hi All, > A number of you have contacted me to ask for Arnie's e-address. From steve_royster at hotmail.com Wed Sep 29 10:30:57 2004 From: steve_royster at hotmail.com (Steve Royster) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:30:57 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show Message-ID: Great idea Dave, I'm sure if we all put our collective heads together we can find a way to keep these shows that we love so well from extinction. Steve >From: "Dave Croft" >Reply-To: The SEL email discussion list >To: "The SEL email discussion list" >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show >Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:52:21 +0100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Royster" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:29 PM >Subject: Re: [SEL] Northwest Indiana Show > > > > Hi Fred, Several groups that I am involved with are looking at ways to >cut > > costs and meet expenses. One Idea that we are kicking around is to >obtain a > > sponsor or sponsors to donate funds in exchange for their name being on >the > > tickets, banners and other show promo items. Maybe there is a large > > equipment dealer or company in your area that you could talk with and > > explain the benefits to both of you. Good luck , Steve Royster > >Hi Steve, nearly 20 years ago when a group of us started Englands biggest >Engine rally with almost no funds. >As the show got larger in later years we were looking for funds. I arranged >with a large local engineering tools firm to let him erect a large tent >near the arena. >He was allowed to give free entry passes to his potential customers & he >gave them >drinks & food in the tent. His top sales staff also attended.8^) >For two years he paid well for the privilege & the people who got the free >passes were >not our usual visitors. >Why not see if it works over there? >Dave Croft. > > >_______________________________________________ >SEL mailing list >SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com >http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From kerogas at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 29 12:39:35 2004 From: kerogas at sbcglobal.net (kerogas at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:39:35 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Saw blade hammering References: <1d6.2bca51bb.2e89db42@aol.com> Message-ID: <003d01c4a65c$0d6f0c40$4001a8c0@sbc.global.net> Not only do I see a saw blade hammering manual in my new Lindsay Pub Catalog , But there is also an announcement that Dave Gingery has moved on to the big foundry in the sky . . From Germoamer at aol.com Wed Sep 29 16:43:15 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:43:15 EDT Subject: [SEL] Off topic. Our new family Message-ID: In a message dated 9/28/2004 11:54:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Aermoter at aol.com writes: << They will be engine men in no time. >> Tim, That is great and I know you and your wife are enjoying the boys. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From rustyiron at bigpond.com Wed Sep 29 05:42:12 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:42:12 +0800 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. Andy........ Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 17:56:07 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:56:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <415B59A7.000001.02088@NOTEBOOK> Hey Andy Primary rule of trailers is to always have 60% of your load on the tongue. That stops almost 100% of the "wagging" problem and gives much better control of the trailer overall. Using that as a guide I built my last trailer with the center of the tandem axle spread 60% back from the front of the deck. ie: 10 ft deck, center of the spread was 6ft back. The nose weight added by the tongue really was negligable in the overall picture and I countered the difference by how I loaded the equipment on it. Also, using this as a basis the trailer pulls like a dream even when empty. Another quirk I ran into was to be sure no two distances between the axles are the same. The length from your steering axle to your drive axle should be different than the length from your drive axle to the trailer's axle(s). If you have the same distance the trailer becomes almost impossible to tow at speed, or to back up. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/29/04 20:39:48 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. Andy........ Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 18:06:37 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:06:37 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <415B5C1D.000003.02088@NOTEBOOK> Me again Andy, On the ramps, I used 1" diamater Drill rod attached to a bracket on each end and welded on the back of the trailer end to end }----------{}----------{ something like that, with a piece of pipe cut to the width of the ramp and welded to the ramp slid over the drill rod. Proved to be infinately adjustable from only a couple inches between them to almost the full width of the trailer. There's a couple downfalls to this method. If the trailer is fully loaded you end up transporting it with the ramps sticking straight up in the air and catching all the wind, sucks the ole' fuel milage way down, but if you can figure it out you can hinge the ramps in the middle and fold them up as you prepare to stow them on the trailer deck. The next trailer I build I'll use a similar method for the ramps, but rather than welding them to the mounting brackets I think I'll drill and tap the ends of the drill rod so that I can still have them secure but also be able to remove the ramps from time to time as needed. -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/29/04 20:39:48 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. Andy........ Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Sep 29 18:20:42 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:20:42 EDT Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. Message-ID: <84.34c4361c.2e8cb96a@aol.com> Hey Men; A few months ago a fellow had a picture of a swivel he made to use under the bolster on his engine truck, he made a beautiful job on it even put a finish on it with a pneumatic pin chipper which put a finish on it that looked like cast iron, it was beautiful, I want to make one but I can't find the info., does any one happen to know who it was that put the info. on the list? Thanks, Bill Miller. From yostsw at atis.net Wed Sep 29 19:26:33 2004 From: yostsw at atis.net (Spencer Yost) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:26:33 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Shamless self-promotion of Ebay item Message-ID: <200409292226330234.074FF744@heavyiron.atis.net> Sorry folks to post this, but I really thought that maybe a list member might like auto drain that I have fro sale at Ebay for his/her air compressor: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3843132466 Spencer Yost Owner, ATIS Plow the Net! http://www.atis.net From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 29 19:45:18 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:45:18 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <192.2f50b371.2e8ccd3e@aol.com> Hi Bob, Is this critical distance you describe something you have learned by hearing about it? Or, have you personally experienced it? What is it about the distances being equal that would cause problems with towing at speed, and, especially, how would that affect backing up? Thanks. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 9/29/2004 8:00:49 PM Central Standard Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > Another quirk I ran into was to be sure no two distances between the axles > are the same. The length from your steering axle to your drive axle should > be different than the length from your drive axle to the trailer's axle(s). > If you have the same distance the trailer becomes almost impossible to tow > at speed, or to back up. > > > > > > Bob From Carrowor at comcast.net Wed Sep 29 19:55:55 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:55:55 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <192.2f50b371.2e8ccd3e@aol.com> Message-ID: <415B75BB.000001.01352@NOTEBOOK> Hi Ron, That's firsthand expierience that taught me that. I had an s10 pickup and bought a second identical box for the trailer. At the time I figured it'd look nice equally spaced. WHAT A NIGHTMARE. Equal spacing caused the trailer to over-respond to the slightest twitch of the steering wheel, same result in backing up, the truck simply couldn't keep up with the turning of the trailer. I lengthened the tongue later by 12 inches and it made all the difference in the world. I questioned a couple of people I knew at the time who had a small shop producing auto trailers and they confirmed what I'd discovered. Bob -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/29/04 22:46:37 To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: Re: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Hi Bob, Is this critical distance you describe something you have learned by hearing about it? Or, have you personally experienced it? What is it about the distances being equal that would cause problems with towing at speed, and, especially, how would that affect backing up? Thanks. Ron Carroll Clearmont, MO In a message dated 9/29/2004 8:00:49 PM Central Standard Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > Another quirk I ran into was to be sure no two distances between the axles > are the same. The length from your steering axle to your drive axle should > be different than the length from your drive axle to the trailer's axle(s) > If you have the same distance the trailer becomes almost impossible to tow > at speed, or to back up. > > > > > > Bob _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From MaytagTwin at aol.com Wed Sep 29 20:04:24 2004 From: MaytagTwin at aol.com (MaytagTwin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:04:24 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <75.3542ad34.2e8cd1b8@aol.com> Hi Bob, Thanks. Ron In a message dated 9/29/2004 9:59:49 PM Central Standard Time, Carrowor at comcast.net writes: > > > I questioned a couple of people I knew at the time who had a small shop > producing auto trailers and they confirmed what I'd discovered. > > > > Bob > From dotto at velocitus.net Wed Sep 29 20:22:35 2004 From: dotto at velocitus.net (Dave Otto) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:22:35 -0600 Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. In-Reply-To: <84.34c4361c.2e8cb96a@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001c4a69c$bed47480$01043c0a@DD1BF421> Hi Bill That may have been my little project, I haven't had time to finish it yet but I hope to get back to it this fall and winter. Here is the link, http://community.webshots.com/album/115446387eqvhPY Dave Dave Otto Boise, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com [mailto:sel-bounces at lists.stationary-engine.com] On Behalf Of BillMil357 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:21 PM To: sel at lists.stationary-engine.com Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. Hey Men; A few months ago a fellow had a picture of a swivel he made to use under the bolster on his engine truck, he made a beautiful job on it even put a finish on it with a pneumatic pin chipper which put a finish on it that looked like cast iron, it was beautiful, I want to make one but I can't find the info., does any one happen to know who it was that put the info. on the list? Thanks, Bill Miller. _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From fero_ah at city-net.com Wed Sep 29 21:04:39 2004 From: fero_ah at city-net.com (Arnie Fero) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SEL] Arnie Update - More Later Message-ID: Hi y'all, I've not been ignoring all of your best wishes, but today has been a really busy day what with picking up the tux, doing a couple of Mapquest routes to New Yawk, blowing through a pile of Dave's .380 ammo giving his new Browning (and the neighbor's dog's ears) a nice workout in the back yard. Oh, yeah, almost forgot. Stopped to smell a few roses too. 8-)) The full tale on Monday. See ya, Arnie Arnie Fero Pittsburgh, PA fero_ah at city-net.com PS - It wasn't the "Green Stuff." 8-)) From BillMil357 at aol.com Wed Sep 29 20:59:30 2004 From: BillMil357 at aol.com (BillMil357 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:59:30 EDT Subject: [SEL] Swivel for front bolster on engine truck. Message-ID: <15.340c1abf.2e8cdea2@aol.com> Hi Dave; That is it, man you sure do pretty work you must have access to some high dollar equipment also, thanks a million for the info. See ya. Bill Miller. From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 30 00:51:17 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:51:17 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer In-Reply-To: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <3ndnl09h702c46lcgieqciml17k59ao561@4ax.com> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:42:12 +0800, you wrote: >Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. >I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the >configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The >springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle >side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker >will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring >hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when >the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will >hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount >the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I >think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the >rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar >(and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, >I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or >high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an >idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what >to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car >(Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach >them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the >Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. >Andy........ Have a look at the way we put our trailer together, it gives a lot of constructional details and pictures, plus the various upgrades it went through up to the present day: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Trailer/Trailer1.htm and an article we did for the newsgroup: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Trailer/Trailer.htm As regards configuration, you need to have a relatively long drawbar in relation to the trailer or you will get wagging problems, especially if the vehicle you are towing with has significant overhang between the rear axle and the tow hitch. Static weight on the hitch needs to be about 112pounds at all times, any more and you'll get the towing vehicle weight carrying capacity being affected, any less and the trailer will bounce about on the hitch. Ours is neutral since we extended the rear of the frame, and it rattles a bit with no load on. Rear loading ramps as part of the tailgate are fine, but they also make very good air brakes! no further comment :-)) Hinges we can buy over here for the tailgate, see the close-ups of ours. We use rubber suspension beams with integral hubs and overrun brakes. The capacity of the trailer is 2600kg gross, the trailer itself weighs just over 600kg, but is built rather more heavily than most as we made it to carry engines and such rather than distributed loads. Heaviest item we have carried is a Lister JK4 50kW genset, which was probably a fair bit more than its rated load, but it towed very well with no problems. Fastest we have towed is much more than anyone would normally want to go, and we have never had any stability problems. All of our towing vehicles have had short overhangs at the back with a relatively long wheelbase, so reversing direction changes are slow and easy to correct. Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From pavy at ihug.com.au Thu Sep 30 02:20:47 2004 From: pavy at ihug.com.au (Mark and Leeanne) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:50:47 +0930 Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Show Pictures References: Message-ID: <005e01c4a6ce$c81d6560$0e03d9cb@yourvrozpt3zvx> Thanks for the pictures Luke Mark Pavy Queenstown South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Tonneberger" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 3:23 AM Subject: [SEL] Portland 2004 Show Pictures > Hello Everybody, > > I finally finished up the web page for this years Portland Show. It can be > seen at: > > http://www.oldengine.org/members/luket/port04/portland04.html > > Going through these pictures brings back alot of great memories for me. > Thanks again to everyone who makes the 'Portland Experience' possible. > Can't wait until Portland 2005!!! > > Luke Tonneberger > Rockford, Michigan > USA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From ozengine at optusnet.com.au Thu Sep 30 02:45:27 2004 From: ozengine at optusnet.com.au (Kerry) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:45:27 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: <003101c4a622$0bc25300$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Message-ID: <004e01c4a6d2$37baf9c0$e0541fd3@km> G'Day Andy A trailer my son, son-in-law and myself built last year for engine transport, it is a great trailer with step ups, tool/storage boxes, 2 ton electric winch and drawbridge (removerable ramps built into tail gate). http://members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49/Webpages/Temporary8.html The tail gate was built with 75mm * 75mm opened ended on the top frame so that the ramps can be slipped in or of as required and works well. The trailer was built to haul a 8hp Austral of over 2 tonnes or my 1949 Riley so built strong but is very heavy, the V8 crusier pulls it well loaded but fuel suffers. and as can be seen the ramps are wide enought for a wide range of loads, small engines 2-3 hp are wheeled up one ramp only. Hope this helps Kerry Morris Lithgow NSW OZ Web http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/kerrymorris_49 Friends in Engines > Hello All, I remember a while back, there was talk about Tandem Trailers. > I'm in the process of building one, and I need some help with the > configuration of the spring hangers and a method/style of a tailgate. The > springs I've seen, some are hanging down and some are up on the shackle > side, with the spring shackle in the up position it looks like the rocker > will hit the spring, the way I'm inclined to do it is have the spring > hanging down from the rocker, and the shackle plates angled back, so when > the weight comes off ( i.e. going over a bump) the axle, the shackle will > hang straight down and won't flip over above the rocker? Also where to mount > the Rocker mount in the centre of the main frame or just back of-centre, I > think the idea is to have a positive weight on the draw bar, if I have the > rocker mount in the centre of the frame, won't the weight of the draw bar > (and spare wheel) give it the correct positive weight I need? The Tailgate, > I'd like to incorporate a ramp in it as well, so it will be fairly long, or > high when in the up position, how would I do the hinges? I don't have an > idea on this one, I was going to build the trailer, and then work out what > to do. This trailer is going to be use for my engines and/or a Section Car > (Speeder) or would it be simpler to just have two ramps, but how do I attach > them to the end of the trailer easily? to take the different widths of the > Engine trolleys. Any help would be great. > Andy........ From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 30 05:08:29 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:08:29 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <145.34eeb04f.2e8d513d@aol.com> In a message dated 9/30/2004 3:56:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: << Have a look at the way we put our trailer together, >> Peter. Beautiful job on the trailer! Could you tell me more about the stabilizer jacks on the back of the trailer? Do these jack like the old VW car post jacks, or do they just let down and clamp in position? I need something like those for my trailer. Thanks, Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 30 05:14:31 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:14:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer Message-ID: In a message dated 9/30/2004 5:46:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: << A trailer my son, son-in-law and myself built last year for engine transport, >> Kerry, Nice heavy duty trailer with lots of ideas put into it for tie downs, storage, etc. I have been reflooring both my trailers now with treated lumber. They came with pine boards painted and have started rotting over they years. Also bought one of those cheap metal car ports to keep them under hoping this will help. Too many barns right now and Millie would not let me build anymore, so settled for the carport! Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From barryt at downeast.net Thu Sep 30 08:36:30 2004 From: barryt at downeast.net (barry thomas) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:36:30 -0400 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer References: Message-ID: <000501c4a703$4642f430$0100a8c0@barrys> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [SEL] Tandem Trailer > In a message dated 9/30/2004 5:46:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ozengine at optusnet.com.au writes: > > << A trailer my son, son-in-law and myself built last year for engine > transport, >> > Kerry, > > Nice heavy duty trailer with lots of ideas put into it for tie downs, > storage, etc. I have been reflooring both my trailers now with treated lumber. They > came with pine boards painted and have started rotting over they years. Also > bought one of those cheap metal car ports to keep them under hoping this will > help. Too many barns right now and Millie would not let me build anymore, so > settled for the carport! > > Tom Schmutz > Concord, Va. USA > Germoamer at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > From diesel at easynet.co.uk Thu Sep 30 10:43:14 2004 From: diesel at easynet.co.uk (Peter A Forbes) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:43:14 +0100 Subject: [SEL] Tandem Trailer In-Reply-To: <145.34eeb04f.2e8d513d@aol.com> References: <145.34eeb04f.2e8d513d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:08:29 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 9/30/2004 3:56:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >diesel at easynet.co.uk writes: > ><< Have a look at the way we put our trailer together, >> > >Peter. > >Beautiful job on the trailer! Could you tell me more about the stabilizer >jacks on the back of the trailer? Do these jack like the old VW car post jacks, >or do they just let down and clamp in position? I need something like those >for my trailer. > >Thanks, > >Tom Schmutz You can get both, Tom, we have the clamp type which just drop down when you undo the bolt, but they do windup ones as well, either geared head or big acme screw types. Normally if the trailer is hooked up to the van then we don't need them at all. Trailer has done a few miles now, probably 20,000 or so, been to Spain and Portugal three times :-)) I'll have to get those pictures sorted out, they were a very early scan attempt before we got the Epson scanners we have now, and it shows! Peter -- Peter & Rita Forbes Email Address: diesel at easynet.co.uk Web Pages for Engine Preservation: http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel From randmingold at hotkey.net.au Thu Sep 30 13:51:25 2004 From: randmingold at hotkey.net.au (Reg & Margaret Ingold) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:51:25 +1000 Subject: [SEL] Colin Mackinnon Message-ID: <000801c4a72f$96c7e240$6f111bd3@athlon> I am sad to report to you that our ex list mate is in Pallitive care at Westmead hospital and not given long to go on this planet. Although the first tumor was removed from his brain, more have grown and he has gone down hill rather badly recently. He is blind and paralised on one side. I intend to visit him this Sunday. Needless to say, poor Christine is shattered. I dont think she wants any mail on this at this time. A sad end for a great bloke. I will keep you all informed. Reg & Marg Ingold. Newcastle, NSW, Australia. randmingold at hotkey.net.au http://www.oldengine.org/members/randmingold From Germoamer at aol.com Thu Sep 30 13:54:50 2004 From: Germoamer at aol.com (Germoamer at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:54:50 EDT Subject: [SEL] Colin Mackinnon Message-ID: <14.34dcfeb7.2e8dcc9a@aol.com> Reg, Sorry to hear about Colin. It did not sound good when he was last on the list. Wish him well from us. Tom Schmutz Concord, Va. USA Germoamer at aol.com From sluggo54 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 30 14:32:27 2004 From: sluggo54 at hotmail.com (Bruce Younger) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:32:27 -0500 Subject: [SEL] Bulldog & Storm Shelter Message-ID: designed and developed by IHC comes with a brand new Bulldog engine still in the crate not a bad deal if you need a butt buggy motor AND a storm shelter http://www.idahomotorpool.com/m75.html Not the Bulldog I was thinking of, but ? I would like to have the engine container. Would make a super genset shelter. Thought all the tanks in Idaho were operational? Bruce Younger 05G HHC 313 RR Bn 3/67-4/68 Lenexa, KS sluggo54 at hotmail.com From Vivas1993 at aol.com Thu Sep 30 16:50:28 2004 From: Vivas1993 at aol.com (Vivas1993 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:50:28 EDT Subject: [SEL] Colin Mackinnon Message-ID: <198.2f504a67.2e8df5c4@aol.com> Hi Reg, Very sorry to hear this news on Colin. Even though a lot of us will never meet in person, it's always sad to get this kind of news on list members, past & present. Our thoughts & prayers go out to him, & his family. Dwight & Carolyn Vivas Petersburg, VA. From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 30 17:54:18 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:54:18 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Message-ID: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul From Carrowor at comcast.net Thu Sep 30 18:04:04 2004 From: Carrowor at comcast.net (Bob Jacobs) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:04:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> Hey Paul, There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From dtallman at accnorwalk.com Thu Sep 30 18:56:03 2004 From: dtallman at accnorwalk.com (Doug Tallman) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:56:03 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start In-Reply-To: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20040930215603.016cfd4c@mail.accnorwalk.com> Paul, there are main fuses in the underhood fuse block that may cause this. Doug Tallman dtallman at accnorwalk.com VGTCOA Ohio Regional Director Greenwich, OH USA From Aermoter at aol.com Thu Sep 30 19:48:31 2004 From: Aermoter at aol.com (Aermoter at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:48:31 EDT Subject: [SEL] Re: Off Topic our new family Message-ID: <6d.3558b08b.2e8e1f7f@aol.com> I will try to get some pictures of the boys posted soon. Tim Christoff Basehor, Ks. Aermoter at aol.com From garyepps at fidnet.com Thu Sep 30 20:46:01 2004 From: garyepps at fidnet.com (Gary Epps) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 22:46:01 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001c01c4a769$39da50b0$6e83fb40@gary> Hi Paul, It is my understanding that Ford Motor Co. was required by the Feds to use a, for lack of a better term, kill switch on its products as a result of the Pinto accidents which resulted in loss of life due to the vehicles catching fire. I do not know if they are still required or not. I also do not know if they are electrical interrupters or fuel shut offs. I suspect that one of our resident mechanics on the list might know something definitive here. Good luck finding the problem. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From paulmaples at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 30 18:17:51 2004 From: paulmaples at sbcglobal.net (paulmaples at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:17:51 -0500 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples> <415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> Message-ID: <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Hello Bob, I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I need to leave the charger on longer. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jacobs" To: Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start Hey Paul, There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. Bob Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, others just use the initials! -------Original Message------- From: The SEL email discussion list Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 To: The SEL email discussion list Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? Paul _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel _______________________________________________ SEL mailing list SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel From falcon at telenet.net Thu Sep 30 22:34:02 2004 From: falcon at telenet.net (Steve W.) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:34:02 -0400 Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start References: <000a01c4a751$305b83f0$210110ac@PaulMaples><415CAD04.000001.02620@NOTEBOOK> <003901c4a754$7a70c9c0$210110ac@PaulMaples> Message-ID: <001901c4a778$42dfe4e0$ba1117d1@net.telenet.net> Paul, Sounds like either a bad battery cable connection or a bad cable. I would pull the connectors and clean them real good, and give them a tug to make sure they are still attached to the cable (common for them to corrode under the insulation and the connector). Also check the other end and the solenoid connection as well. I've had cables that looked great fall apart because they were corroded inside. Steve Williams Near Cooperstown NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "The SEL email discussion list" Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > Hello Bob, > > I just went out and put a battery charger on the Expedition and now > everything lights up and the horn blows but when I try and start it, it > sounds like a machine gun going off and it will not turn over. Maybe I need > to leave the charger on longer. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jacobs" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > > Hey Paul, > > There are what's called "fuseable links" built into the wiring harness which > are renowned to be susceptible to corrosion and separation. > > Start following the heavy wires specially to and from the starter solenoid. > > > > Bob > Some people call me Sweet Ole' Bob, > others just use the initials! > -------Original Message------- > > From: The SEL email discussion list > Date: 09/30/04 20:55:46 > To: The SEL email discussion list > Subject: [SEL] O.T. Ford 2000 Expedition want Start > > My wife drove our 2000 Expedition up in the driveway this afternoon after > picking up the kids, she went to put it in the garage a little while ago and > it will not do anything. Nothing lights up on the instrument panel, horn > will not blow, no overhead ceiling lights, no clicking, nothing. I raise the > hood and the hood light is burning brightly so there should at least be > enough current to light the interior overhead lights. Is there some kind of > safety switch or kill switch on these vehicles that may have it locked out? > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > > > _______________________________________________ > SEL mailing list > SEL at lists.stationary-engine.com > http://www.stationary-engine.com/mailman/listinfo/sel > From rustyiron at bigpond.com Thu Sep 30 14:48:02 2004 From: rustyiron at bigpond.com (Andy) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:48:02 +0800 Subject: [SEL] RE: Tandem Trailer Message-ID: <008501c4a737$31d68a00$ce09fea9@ibmbnh186c> Hello All, Thanks for the replies and pictures, they helped a lot, I've now got idea's from all over the world, so there's no excuse for me to suff it up, just my welding! but nothing a grinder and a bit of paint won't fix. Thanks.......Andy....... Andy Nicholson Exmouth W.A. Oz. rustyiron at bigpond.com